(Tia starts out the night)
Tia: okay, greetings and welcome to
this channeling session on the night of March the
Tia: 11th, 1995 at.......
Tia: (swears in Durondedunn)
Russ: we're in a time warp here, one
day back two years ago.
Tia: (swears again in Durondedunn)
which I won't translate.
Russ: right, we probably
got one from that date.
Tia: yes if you insist. Okay, now
let's get down to business.
Russ: okay. All right.....
Tia: welcome to this channeling
session on March the 11th, 1997 at 8:15 PM. Okay,
let us continue.
Russ: all right, anyway this is in
attendance Russ and Karen....
Tia: uh-huh and Tia.....
Russ: and Tia of course.
Tia: ( says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: alrighty, now then, one of the
things I want to go over here is the future and
Russ: okay. Now I was discussing with
someone about Japanese feudal society.....
as compared to the European feudal society back in
the early.....part of the late dark ages.
Russ: coming up into the Arthurian
age and the Japanese feudal
system in the Shogun era.
Russ: and the differences between the
two are not that many, they're quite
similar in many respects.
Russ: and I'm
wondering if the future is....or the past is
possible reflection upon our future there.
Tia: well things do go in cycles.
Tia: and the cycles can be very, very
big or very, very small. Fashion for example I've
noticed on your planet goes in circles. I believe
polyester suits and disco are making a comeback.
Russ: bell bottoms never made it
Karen: no they didn't.
Tia: well that's very fortuitous
Russ: I never missed them.
Tia: so why not history? And in fact
history does go in cycles, much
bigger cycles. Let us go back approximately 2,000
years where you had......no let's go back nearly
3,000 years to a democratic society which would be
Russ: democratic society 2,000 years
Tia: well nearly 3,000 years ago.
Russ: 3,000 years ago would be
Tia: correct and let's compare it
with the opulent society and a
democratic society that you have now.
Tia: you have this democratic country
with lots of states and city states
that send people to their capital as a way of
paying tribute to the democratic system.
Eventually it grows and it gets corrupted and it
falls to pieces and then it becomes history. Along
comes another society which is slightly
feudalistic that still has a Senate and a house
and is still democratic to a certain extent being
the Roman Empire. That grows opulent and then
corrupted and fat and bloated and all that entails
and it has a leader that becomes the Emperor of
the Empire and then that passes away. There is a
complete circle there. Go from a society that was
feudalistic that becomes a democracy, it fades
away and along comes a new one and the circle is
completed. Now with a crash like that, that
happened at the end of the Roman Empire, they
descended into what they called the dark ages
Tia: and I'm being coached here. The
dark ages followed where there was.......literacy
went to the....went out the thingy and you had a
period of struggle and strife and so on and then
you had a new Emperor arrive and become leader and
you maintain the feudalistic type society. Now
it's possible that you've gone into the democracy
Tia: and it may be a bigger, longer
loop than the last one.
Russ: okay, now all this stems back
from originally Atlantis.
Russ: but before that it would be
Sirius because we see that same situation now with
the democratic society of Greece in place in
Sirius with the Council and you know its leader of
Russ: and apparently they have
reached the utopia that the settlers of Atlantis
were attempting to create.
Russ: now instead of creating the
utopia they wished, I'm sure that Atlantis we
could see similar signs of it in
now where they had a democratic stage of which
Maxxus and Naxxus were part of.....
Brothers who had migrated from Sirius and
had been Mark and myself in a former
Russ: which we've already seen
Russ: going into the corruption stage
which we saw with basically the technology and the
religions coming and clashing. And then we see the
final destruction of Atlantis with the dark ages
to follow being circled into Greece where we start
the whole cycle again.
Tia: correct, pretty much so. I'm not
really the person to answer. I mean it
does fit in with my predictions.
Russ: well we're working on the
future and you're the person I talk to on future.
I was kind of skipping around from past and trying
to find the circles so it's kind of a joint effort
here I think.
Tia: yeah well it's more going to be
along the lines of all three of us learn at this
Tia: now the future is set by certain
factors that are going to occur.
Tia: in the past it was warfare that
destroyed the empires.
Tia: in today's global society, I
think it's going to be more social and economic
problems that are going to destroy the empires.
And I'm not referring to the countries as empires
but of corporations such as let me see......the Hanson Corporation,
one of the biggest on the planet.
Russ: never even heard of it.
Tia: it owns quite a few businesses
believe you me.
Tia: now let us take one of these
big, fine corporations right?
Tia: and let's say the corporation
Russ: all right.
Tia: and a corporation that has
offices all over the world. What would happen in
let's say your country if the Hanson Corporation
that has major offices in New York, Los Angeles,
San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Miami and
probably a few other places but let's
say it went bankrupt?
Tia: how would it affect your
Russ: well not very much because
there would be a power vacuum, there'd be other
companies stepping in to take up the slack.
Tia: but for a brief moment there
would be problems.
Russ: yeah, for a brief moment.
Tia: uh-huh maybe a week or so.
Russ: depends on how much preparation
time there is.
Tia: here's the problem you see. The
Hanson Corporation is a big, big investor in
Tia: now let's go back to that and
say...let's say it goes bankrupt or it falls to
pieces and dissolves. What happens then?
Karen: people sell out of the
Tia: uh-huh exactly. People sell out
of the Hanson Corporation and the Dow goes down
and the effect that it has on corporations, it is
part owners in American Airlines, well not part
owners but part investor in American airlines. It
is part investor in Boeing, it is a part investor
in IBM, it is a part investor in....no not
mobile....not BP...Shell. It's a part owner in
Exxon. It is a part owner in Macy's, Safeway...or
part investor. All those comments are part
bankrupt, we've just affected every facet of life.
Russ: hmm affected but unless there
was a domino effect from that which is
Tia: oh very possible.
Russ: then it would only be a minimal
effect, scenario A.
(From the Defcon
Tia: correct. Now let us say that the
Hanson Corporation takes another......let's say
there is an attempt at a hostile takeover.
Tia: let's say from something like
Tia: no better yet, Westinghouse.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay? And they fight it out and
both corporations bankrupt themselves fighting it
Russ: I don't think....they couldn't
fight each other out or bankrupt each other out.
Tia: why not?
Russ: because of the fact that the
monies involved are not their own monies, that
they're involved from the investor's point of
view. So the investors would have to agree to take
a chance to go bankrupt and investors don't tend
to do that.
Tia: no they tend to pull out when
that threat happens.
Tia: and in turn, they make the
corporation go bankrupt. They don't go bankrupt
the investors, the corporations do. The
corporations crash and......(smacks her hands
Russ: well that clears it up.
Tia: okay now let us sidestep a
little from the corporation issue and look at
inflation. In the past six years inflation has
been climbing, steadily and unnoticed. At the
moment I believe it's at 6% which is supposedly
acceptable. But if you look back in history to
1988 when there was the crash right?
Tia: that was caused by inflation.
But the root cause of the crash back then has not
been properly addressed due to the fact that
nobody on your planet really understands what
caused the increase in inflation.
Russ: well we didn't realize there
was a crash until like two weeks later.
Tia: uh-huh exactly, but it was only
a mini-crash compared to what could happen. But if
you look at the minicrash of '88, the Dow was
going crazy setting new records on a daily basis
which has similarities to 1929 and all other
crashes before that. And what actually happens is
on profit taking days right?
Tia: people expect to pull out their
money and it's normally towards the end of the
week to make a profit so that they can reinvest at
a depressed rate on Monday morning. Now let us
idly suppose that factors occurring in an economic
and governmental body causes problems.
See this is exactly what the stock market likes.
The government is tied up fighting itself. They
want public inquiries, they want to know what's
going on and for the stock market this is great,
situation to grow. But what happens when all this
settles down and the government starts to work
again properly? They see that inflation has gone
haywire so they try to curb inflation and to stop
growth and to slow things down and bing, stock
market goes crash, corporations go bankrupt,
companies go bankrupt, investors go bankrupt and
you have 1929 all over again but on a much larger
scale because this time it's not just a country's
economic catastrophe and at the time, barely a
world power. This time it's international because
corporations are invested in corporations from
overseas, from all over the place. So the
corporations involved in overseas affairs that go
bankrupt cause a drain on the economies of other
countries which in turn dominoes. So the thing to
watch out for is the government getting active
again. Pray that this governmental debacle
continues because when it doesn't and when it gets
back to normality or their definition of normality
and they see that inflation has increased to let's
say 8 or 9%, they want to decrease inflation and
interfere, overbalance, overbalances force people
to withdraw from the stock market, stock market
gets depressed, corporations suffer, corporations
suffer overseas and so on.
Russ: okay, hmm good warning sign.
Tia: uh-hmm, so let's hope that it
Russ: we'll keep those happy
Russ: okay. Well let's go through a
couple extra speakers tonight because she's kind
of on a tight schedule.
Tia: okay, okay. I suppose you want
to talk to Omal now?
Russ: thank you Tia, we'll be back
with you in a little while.
Tia: yes I'll be back, I'm ring
Tia: let me get my whip and chair.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal comes on as
the next speaker)
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Greetings Karen, greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Russ: all right, well that was a
cheery little note from Tia.
Omal: yes she is a ray of sunshine.
It amazes me that she manages to maintain a
bouncy, bubbly personality when she gives gloomy
Russ: yeah leaves me going kind of uh-oh.
All right, currently.....well I'm
working a little bit on as I was mentioning the
past and who would I work on with
that? Would that be yourself?
Omal: myself or Korton.
Russ: and Korton's not here tonight.
Russ: so we'll work on it with you.
Russ: okay so we saw as we mentioned
Atlantis leading into Greece.
Russ: now is that the only time from
Greece til now....or Greece, Roman, dark ages to
now that we've seen the cycle happen?
Russ: what was the one between that
Omal: while there are certain
cultures that even though they have a King or an
Emperor, have a democratic system. For example
Charlemagne in 801.
he had a feudalistic society with Democratic
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: let us move on to the British
Commonwealth and the British Empire. They had a
democratic system sort of that was a Emperor or
King or Queen or Empress that ruled over the
country but had representatives from the people
and that started in about 1600. Let us shop around
again in the Orient. India had a semi-democratic
system. Democratic societies are not new. They can
be traced back through thousands of years through
elected individuals that act on a lifetime
Russ: I was going to say, so
essentially what we're looking at is each person
trying to re-create what we came to this planet
for in the first place?
Omal: correct, the
Russ: correct, it's in our genes as a
Omal: yes, it is something that was
set in motion many thousands of years ago. It was
deduced at the time of the failing of Atlantis
that it would not have worked at all on your
planet with the group of individuals that had
come. Admittedly that they were a bunch of
religious dissidents that wanted freedom and
political dissidents and they wanted to create the
ideal society. But the lesson that they did not
learn was all's they had to do was wait on their
home planet. They were impatient, imperfect and
not ready for what was to come so they tried to
create their version of it knowing that it was to
come on a planet that was young and new in their
opinion. They did not have the rigid structure
that was necessary for the advancement. A society
that has a rigid system of classes has a far
better chance of an economic and spiritual
development. You take the United Kingdom or any
country in Europe including Japan. Look at their
feudalistic society and how it shaped their
current society. The ideal society to look at
would not be so much as the United Kingdom as
Japan but you can compare both of them as they are
equally alike to give you an idea on how things
should work. You have a feudal society where you
have the Emperor. The Emperor has his ministers
and their ministers have the Lords that control
the land. Together they work together and create a
society where everybody knows their place. A few
hundred years pass, the start of the 20th century
and a democracy with a hereditary Emperor or King
or Queen is in existence with a Democratic system.
The monarchy or Emperor is a figurehead in essence
that they have the power to veto only if it is
absolutely necessary. It is their government but
the government controls how much they receive so
therefore they do as the government says. The
people in the society understand their places and
how it works. It is alike your internal combustion
engine, each part plays an important part in the
functioning of the engine. From the spark plug, to
the wiring that gives the electrical ignition to
the oil that keeps the engine lubricated to the
cooling system that keeps it cool so it does not
has an important part to play and
societies are like that. A rigid society has a
much better chance of advancing to a spiritual
development then a society that has free will and
has no clear focus. For example, what is the focus
or the goal of your country for the next hundred
Russ: there is none, basically just
make money and be successful and have fun.
Omal: what is the goal of the
Russ: it's changing more to our goal
than it used to be.
Omal: how about let us say Germany?
Russ: hmm, since the unification?
Russ: I'd say that'd be more closer
to what we're looking at.
Omal: correct. A society that is
rigid and yet has a definite goal on where it
wishes to go.
Omal: the development of higher
technology to improve the society and the
surrounding areas to affect a more easy lifestyle
whereas your country is decided towards making
more money which is not a goal but a loop.
Russ: right, now but we are more
spiritually inclined than Germany is.
Omal: more spiritually diversified.
Russ: well the New Age has a bigger
following here let's say.
Omal: yes but it does not matter if
it is a New Age or the Christian religions or old
age religions. It matters on whether society is
focused on a goal.
Omal: the spirituality comes with
that. It is advantageous to have lots of free time
and to be able to have the necessary currency to
have that free time but it is also important to
have a goal.
Russ: so that's why what we're
looking at in the future here is one of the keys
for gaining that spiritual upliftment?
Russ: got it, okay.
Omal: young lady, do you have a
Karen: no, it was there but now it's
Omal: do not worry, relax and feel
free to interrupt.
Russ: please do. I just had some
stuff I had to get through real quick for the
webpage to put on there.
Karen: no I was just curious. I mean
spiritually everyone should be more or less on the
same wavelength if they're allowing certain
thoughts into their head and believing what
they're hearing, am I not right?.
Omal: I would beg to differ. It is up
to the individual to decide where they wish to go
with their spirituality but that is a personal
opinion. It works well up here on the base but
we're not a democracy.
Russ: you're an autocrat? Autocracy?
Omal: we are an autocratic society.
Russ: autocratic society, that's what
Omal: I am the base commander. I make
Karen: that's a good job.
Omal: it is a hard job. I envy you
having the freedom to wander around, to be dormant
when you wish to be dormant. To be able to stand
outside in the rain and feel the rain on your
face. I envy your freedom and your lack of
Russ: now one thing we mentioned in
the webpage recently that I did up was the subject
Russ: and Tia, who I think it was who
is working with me on this, mentioned that
yourself, Ashtar, Sananda, Korton and all of us
have an ego but yours is a superego.
Omal: you have superego also.
Russ: but what makes mine different
Omal: nothing apart from mine plays
more an important role in who I am. Your superego
is subordinate to your normal ego. With myself it
is reversed, the higher you evolve, the more
important a superego becomes. A
superego is the inside that tells you that what
you have done is good and it feels good. It tells
you when you have done something wrong and it
makes you feel the wrong. A superego tells you
that something is good or bad, it makes you feel
the actions and it makes you feel the rewards. It
makes you act in a particular way with the
confidence necessary to be a base commander, to be
a department head. it gives you that confidence
that when you're in your field as I am, it gives
you the tone in your voice, it gives you your
mannerisms, the way that you carry yourself, the
way that you behave towards others with respect
and deference. It gives you the air that you need
to be comfortable and confident.
Russ: so for example with the
lighting at the racetrack? It gave you the
confidence to know that that was how it was
supposed to be?
(For the tri-base ski races)
Omal: actually that was an idea that
had been discarded by the organizer.
Russ: oh really?
Omal: due to the fact that he thought
it could not be done.
Karen: can't we use that in our
everyday lives as well?
Omal: yes you can.
Karen: I mean don't we feel
like....well I think I can go climb that mountain
and that's more or less saying that I can and
that's like your superego taking over?
Omal: yes it is but you use your
Russ: so does the superego control
you or you control it?
Karen: it's a pinball game.
(A computer game her and I had been playing.)
Omal: that is a third dimensional
Karen: I'm sorry. (Laughs)
Russ: I see what you mean.
Omal: superego gives you the
confidence to concede that somebody is better at
something than you and to accept it with
confidence or the confidence to concede that you
are better than somebody and they have the
opportunity to be able to catch you up and you to
pay respect when they catch you and in their
attempting to try as opposed to putting them down,
laughing at them, joking. So it is both of you if
the report that I am having recently that need to
learn how to control your egos in this manner.
Russ: well I did say good job.
Karen: and I did almost succeed
and just tell him
that he was better than me and tell him
why he was better than me. It's so funny.
Russ: so I see what you mean okay, so
the superego does play a role and the key here
that we're looking at then is letting it play a
more important role.
Omal: that is correct.
Omal: the development on a spiritual
level is when the superego comes into play. It is
good to be competitive, after all the example of
this recent tri-base event is a good example of
competitive nature. There was nobody standing up
and saying "I beat you, I'm better than you." It
is all "better luck next year. See you next year,
looking forward to racing against you, may the
best person win."
Karen: almost like fencing?
Omal: yes etiquette, politeness and
it is very important.
Russ: hmm, thank you, it is
important. Okay, well being as I'm sure you're on
a schedule and stuff I'm not going to hold you up
for any more questions on my end.
Omal: thank you, young lady?
Omal: do you have a question?
Karen: no, not that I can think of
Omal: okay thank you.
Karen: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and it would
not be a channeling session without me saying
"I'll be back".
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: actually that was the perfect
point to leave it on, on the note with the
superego, I like that.
Karen: I liked it.
Russ: good point to close it with.
Tia: okay, I'll put on the next
Russ: okay love.
Tia: okay, see you guys in a few.
(Tia says bye in Durondedunn)
(Karra jumps on)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hi, how's it going dear?
Karra, Karra, Karen.
Karra: hi Karen, it's a pleasure to
meet you finally, to be able to talk to you with
the aid of another voice. If I could talk to you
in person it would be much easier.
Karen. I'm sure of it.
Karra: and I must apologize for
communicating....(Coughs) still hasn't fully
recovered has he?
Russ: he is still working on it.
Karra: uh-huh but I must confess I
did interfere in that matter with Omal.
Russ: which one? Oh speeding it up?
Karra: no with the bit concerning the
Karra: I did brief him when you
brought it up.
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: it is something that I've
tried to tell you to relax about and do you
Russ: yes, I have.....
Karen: after he rubbed it in.
Russ: after I had the 11 million I
relaxed really well.
(Online game score I had achieved.)
Karra: Rasta beat this score, Rasta I
did, Rasta again, Rasta rules. Most at the top
with Rasta who.
(My online game handle at the time.)
Russ: and it was a perfect lesson.
Karen: yeah it was.
Russ: and I learned from it thank you
Karra: yes, if you insist. But let us
move on, we're not here to debate the merits of
Karra: however much he wishes to do
Russ: no problem, oh is Alana coming
on tonight later?
Karra: yes she will be available.
Russ: okay thank you. All right,
Karen here used to be a nurse.
Karra: oh yes, yes I do know.
Russ: has a bit of experience in that
field and so I figured that you guys would hit it
off for a while.
Karra: uh-huh, military nurse weren't
Karen: well no actually I did it
right out of high school.
Karra: oh, just some reason I was
under the impression that you had a military
Russ: it was the picture.....
(A picture that Karra had seen through my eyes of
Karen in uniform)
Karen: yeah that's from an ROTC
program that I was in and became second lieutenant
in the Air Force.
Karen: it was pretty tight.
Karra: doing what in the Air Force?
Karen: I was operations officer and
drill team commander.
Karra: oh, okay now I understand. For
some reason I was confused, I thought you were a
nurse in the services.
Karen: no, to get out of high school
I decided to go to nursing college and be a nurse
Karra: oh, I was a what you would
call a battlefield medic in my youth. Well when I
was younger anyway.
Karen: it's almost like the Florence
Nightingale that I was talking about with Mark.
Karra: hmmm, yes I do
understand the Florence Nightingale concept.
Myself I was always been capable of healing. Russ
will tell you that my hands up here are constantly
warm and I can funnel and focus energy. Hang
on.....let me....can you put your hand out? Let me
just feel the warmth being generated from Mark's
hand. Now when it comes to cuts and
scrapes I can accelerate the process. We have a
feline around here that has proven without a
shadow of a doubt that a group of minds can heal.
He was used as a test case to demonstrate the
functions of a healing meta-concert. I don't see
him around anywhere at the moment.
Russ: he's outside right now.
Karra: a prime example of using
healing energy. You as a nurse will know that the
most powerful healing tool is the mind and the
feeling of affection for that purpose. The
necessary drive to help, to heal and I try to do
that in every aspect of my life.
Karen: I think there's a lot of
compassion that's needed to actually heal.
Karra: yes it's very
important when healing to have the desire. If it
is a job then it is not healing, it is just
helping somebody to feel better.
Karen: that's it.
Karra: and the reward of healing is
not any fiscal rewards, it is the joy of seeing
somebody get up and walk away. Even if they don't
thank you, the fact that they are mobile and
laughing and that they can go on and help somebody
else is reward enough. We don't have a currency
system up here. I give my services as a medic
freely, it is a calling not a job.
Karen: well that's the way it should
Karen: especially when it costs you a
couple of thousand here it's kind of ridiculous.
Karra: yes you're paying for the
privilege of being cared for and in my opinion
that's not good.
Russ: doesn't that affect the healing
in itself in the fact of you're having to pay and
you are more worried about what this is going to
cost you than getting better and won't that kind
of hold back the healing process?
Karra: I don't know, I don't know.
You're asking me to think in a fiscal way which as
I've said in the past dear, I don't understand.
Russ: well it's just a concept I just
Karen: right because I mean I know
I've laid in the hospital myself trying to be
healed by doctors and it's like "boy this is going
to cost me an arm and a leg when I get out" and so
like...I mean you're just constantly worried on
that extent to where you just make yourself sicker
or just give yourself an ulcer.
Karra: that's a strange analogy for
what it costs, an arm and a leg.
Karen: I'm sorry?
Karra: healers don't do that.
Russ: "ah which would you like to
Karen: the right and the left....it's
like....no but that's about.....it costs way too
much money to get healed here.
Karra: yes money I do not understand
Karen: I mean if people could
actually heal and believe that they're being...
Russ: well let's say whoever came to
you to get healed had to pay you 20 cases of wine?
Russ: and when you go to heal them,
they're worried more about the wine they're going
to lose then actually getting healed.
Karra: yes, yes, I do understand.
Kiri's whispering the concept in my ear and yes in
actual fact that does hinder the healing process
when you have other worries on your mind. I had a
young father in here that his young lady just had
a baby and he had broken his arm rock climbing and
he was concerned with the fact that he wouldn't be
able to go home and help her with the young baby
so to ease his suffering I went and helped. The
fact that it speeded up his healing process is the
important thing. The fact that I took his worry of
that he wouldn't be able to go home and cook his
wife breakfast or change the diaper while she was
off doing her job and so on. Because they don't
believe in putting a child in the crèche. So I
said no problem, I will take care of the child for
Russ: hmm....well you are a wonderful
Karen: really, well that's.....
Karra: thank you.
Karen: I mean that kind of....yeah
that would really ease a lot of people.
Karra: uh-huh and that is part of
healing. It's not so much setting the splint,
stitching the tissue, it is more soothing the
spirit. Being able to make somebody feel
that.......a good example is Carrie.
Karra: four years ago, was she ready
for her current assignment?
Karra: she was a very self-centered
young lady that had a wonderful boyfriend but she
was not ready for what she has to do.
Karra: now she's ready. A little bit
hurried but she's ready.
Russ: hmm, well we'll have to get in
touch with her and find out more of what's going
Karra: write her a epistle.
Russ: a what?
Karra: a letter.
Karra: sorry, it is an old word.
Karra: okay, let me....I'll put on the
Karra: as we are hustling on the
time. You have how long?
Russ: we have about 10 minutes.
Karra: okay, put on the last speaker
in this cycle.
Karra: which will bring us to the end
of the tape.
Russ: all right.
(Tia comes back to chat.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay, I'm going to put on the
Kiri: or the last person of this
Russ: all right.
(Editors note: The following conversation regards
a ceremony we had conducted to attract devas to
our garden and Mark had just helped organize the
tri-base competition being held at Hades Base that
year against teams from Sirius and Alpha Centauri
due to his organizing a similar competition in the
Russ: morning Kiri.
Kiri: yo dudes, yep. Oh I'm fine,
what can I do for you guys? Hello you must be
Karen: yes I am.
Kiri: uh-huh and you must be.....I've
never seen you before my life. Who do you think
you are? Why are you hitting yourself the eye?
Russ: hi Kiri, so good to see you
again after your third place win.
Kiri: thank you.
Karen: he just makes you rub it in.
See I thought she did well.
Kiri: of course I did well.
Karen: of course you did well.
Russ: well what was all that
laceration on your arm then?
Kiri: it's not important,
the fact that it's the merits of winning,
coming in third actually.
Russ: I hope that's your superego
Kiri: what, coming in third? It does
not matter, it matters the fact that I tried and I
succeeded and I came in third.
Karen: and that's right.
Kiri: where would you come in?
Karen: and she actually made it all
the way through.
Russ: I would've DNF'ed you know.
Kiri: yes of course you would've
DNF'ed, you're a miserable, third dimensional,
Russ: thank you and proud of it might
Kiri: good, good, good, good, good,
I've rubbed that in.
Russ: feel better?
Kiri: uh-huh, I feel much better. I
felt pretty good as it is anyway. Let me see, the
little strawberry blonde, I like her. She looks
Karen: yeah, she's a blast.
Karen: she has a mind of her own.
Kiri: that's good, I hope she has a
mind of her own.
Karen: yes she's not borrowing
anybody's right now so......
Kiri: yes, Mark's body doesn't have a
mind of its own at the moment.
Russ: no Mark's body is definitely
Karen: a mind of its own.
Russ: it's being borrowed.
Kiri: yes, so far by four people. So
what do you guys want to talk about? That is a
very interesting thing that he did to you the
Karen: who did do what oh?
Karen: when I hit energy.(?)
Karen: yeah that was interesting.
Kiri: uh-huh, I watched with
fascination. Couldn't hear anything, all's I could
Karen: it felt really good.
Kiri: uh-huh. There was some very
interesting and entertaining energy patterns. Well
one in particular felt very familiar but old.
Karen: on whose part?
Kiri: the one....there was
an entity floating around inside the area that
felt very familiar and what were you doing
sniffing each others hands?
Karen: well it was kind of funny
because Mark of course you know smoke cigars.
Karen: and I smoke as well, not
Kiri: terrible habit.
Karen: I know it's
terrible, I'll quit one of these days. But...
Kiri: don't use Mark's expression of
quitting when he finishes breathing.
Karen: no, no. But none of our hands
smelled like cigarette smoke. As a matter of fact,
Mark's smelled like...first it smelled like deer
and then it smelled like flowers, almost like a
cologne and so did mine and I hadn't even put any
on. I thought that was really kind of strange.....
Kiri: what entities did you have
floating around? Deer would be....hold on.
Russ: Diana and...
Kiri: oh those two, okay yeah I was
Russ: yeah, that would be the deer
and the flowers.....
Russ: though I don't know where the flowers come
with Diana, she's one of the hunters herself.
Kiri: isn't she...
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Kiri is back for
Kiri: uh-huh, the mother goddess, the
Russ: no, the Huntress goddess. The
mother goddess would be Hera.
Kiri: yeah but in in pre-Grecian
period.....I'm trying to drag up a past life
Russ: boy that's out there.
Kiri: yes, but she was.....
Russ: I know what you're working on
but I can't tell you what it is.
Kiri: uh-huh, fertility and flowers
was also involved there somewhere so that's
probably where the flowers came from. Herne
is an animal God?
Russ: God of the forest.
Kiri: yeah, ears...ears and horns.
Kiri: so that's where the deer smell
came from okay, just needed to get to the bottom
of that. But yes I watched but couldn't hear.
Karen: I couldn't figure out who else
was in there though.
Kiri: there might have been minor
devas kicking around.
Russ: so that's a manifestation on a
Russ: takes a lot of energy.
Russ: who's energy?
Kiri: their energy.
Russ: their energy?
Russ: pretty powerful kick.
Kiri: oh yes.
Russ: whole lot of watts.
Kiri: uh-huh. From what I saw up here
it looked incredibly bright, incredibly bright in
Karen: it was very bright.
Kiri: uh-huh, and both of you guys
looked very luminous and very bright and bouncy.
Karen: I was trying to pull from
anywhere I could at that time.
Kiri: uh-huh and I think there was
plenty of energy flowing around.
Karen: oh there definitely was, I
still want to know who was trying to hit me in the
Kiri: I'll have to look and see what
was going on and watch the energy patterns and the
auras floating around because there were a lot of
auras floating around.
Russ: hmm, you got it on tape?
Kiri: yep, well we got it on disk
Russ: oh on disk?
Kiri: but the thing that surprised me
was that Mark was like a lighthouse.
Karen: that's because he was filling
me with energy.
Kiri: no, before the whole entire
thing he was walking around, he was like that far
off the ground just walking around. And it was
like when he came up the stairs watching him
listening to his inner voice and it was
like....it's hard to describe. Surprised me how
powerful he was.
Karen: maybe it was because he was
Karen: because Tara had just left and
she was coming back.
Karen: so he was probably on top of
the world, well sort of saying..
Kiri: uh-huh. There's a lot of
interest between those two.
Karen: yeah, they get along really
well, Tara really likes his voice.
Kiri: yes he does have an interesting
voice doesn't he?
Karen: yeah, it's very intriguing.
Russ: so is he relaxing now that the
races are over?
Kiri: well you've seen him in the
last couple days, he's actually been laughing and
(Tia pops her head into the
channeling field to scold the cat in Durondedunn
but edited out due to the volume.)
Kiri: and we'll get Tia to butt out
as well. I wish she wouldn't do that you know,
that hurts me when she sticks her head in and
shouts at a cat. Caught me totally by surprise.
Kiri: okay now where was I before Tia
interrupted and I had to move the cat?
Russ: Mark being relaxed.
Kiri: oh yes, we'll get his body
Russ: good and the races went off
was very impressed I'm sure with the whole.....
Kiri: I think Mark deserves an award
for the best executed races. Put a lot of hard
work into that.
Russ: well is there going to be like
a little party for the organizers and the
Kiri: I don't think Mark wants one.
Kiri: anyway let us continue, we're
being frivolous and wasting time.
Kiri: okay now let me explain a
little bit about myself Karen, I am an engineer
and a coercer and I do like your antique that you
drive around in.
Karen: you like that huh?
Kiri: uh-huh, it's a beautiful piece
of earth machinery.
Karen: it's quite loud right about
Kiri: oh that's no problem, that can
be easily remedied.
Karen: oh sure, if I get a new
muffler for it.
Kiri: you can improvise and figure
something out, Coke cans work extremely well.
Karen: I thought about something
close to that.
Karen: because that's my best bet
right now. Plus I don't have to buy something that's
Kiri: that's correct. So I'm a
coercer, engineer....I have an interest in as I
pointed out, antique automobiles. I design toys.
Karen: do you?
(Russ starts laughing)
Karen: why are you laughing?
Kiri: because he has a mind that's in
Karen: oh those toys?
Kiri: no I don't design those toys.
Russ: no, she could but she doesn't.
Kiri: yes, I could design some very
Karen: you could just sell them so.
Kiri: so I've heard.
Russ: it's not in a sewer.
Kiri: no it's below a sewer.
Karen: no I didn't say you were going
to sell them in a sewer.
Kiri: below the sewer his mind is. No
I build robots and so on, artificial intelligence.
For example, somebody has a very fond interest in
a certain Energizer bunny.
Karen: oh I've heard.....yes, I've
heard mentioned the Energizer bunny very, very
Russ: it's just a joke.
Kiri: uh-huh he's very fond of the
Karen: well I like the Energizer
Kiri: so I made him one. It's
voice-activated to two voices only, mine and his,
the battery has a life expectancy of 15 years,
that's continuous use.
Russ: or you can turn it off.
Kiri: if you switch it off, it will
probably last I should say maybe 30 years. My big
sister can't switch it off. You grab it, it reacts
in certain ways. Now I've just
completed a bigger version so you get yours back.
Russ: yeah. (chuckles)
Kiri: you sound very enthusiastic
Russ: well Karra sounds very
enthusiastic about it.
(Long-running joke about an unstoppable rabbit
running around between apartments)
Russ: there is an echo in my
Kiri: so, you'll get your rabbit
back.....do you have any questions for me? I also
have a little religious knowledge.
Karen: religious knowledge?
Kiri: which is a dangerous thing.
Karen: well it is kind of sort of.
Kiri: I'm being sarcastic at myself.
Russ: well she has to be getting
cruising here so.....
Karen: yeah I need to get going.
Kiri: okay well we'll put it on hold
whilst Russ sees you to the door....
(The tape ends and begins again)
Russ: yeah, I like that.
Kiri: Tia apologized.
Russ: ahhh no worries, I didn't even
Kiri: what the big "Frough".
Russ: yeah well I thought it was just
you faking it.
Kiri: no it was Tia, she stuck her
head right in and she watch the cat come in, saw
the tail and then all of a sudden the tail just
came right across and Tia just stuck her head in
and went Frough. Did you hear the acid in her
Russ: it went shooting outside soon
as I got the door open.
Kiri: there was acid in her voice.
Kiri: she says that she doesn't like
cats manipulating or messing with the energy
Russ: oh, let me check my tea.
(Alana comes in
(One of the website readers had
contacted me for help with a dolphin shot by local
fishermen in Norway. Alana, Karra's daughter, is
the resident dolphin expert on the base.)
Russ: and hello Alana.
Alana: hey, how's it going?
Russ: going good my love, how are you
Alana: oh I'm all right.
Russ: did you go watch the races?
Alana: yeah I enjoyed it.
Alana: I thought it was funny with
all the cats milling around.
(The base's cat population gathered at one point
to watch the races.)
Russ: yeah that was a pretty good
story, I liked that one.
Alana: uh-huh, yes they apparently
reserved themselves a whole section in the
Russ: how'd the dolphins
love the attention from all the various racers all
hanging out on the beaches?
Alana: well they enjoyed watching
them sunbathing and being fed by hand and swimming
with them and some of the young children that were
there they let them ride around on their back,
they enjoyed themselves tremendously.
Russ: oh wonderful, good. A good time
was had by all.
Alana: oh yes, certainly. The only
complaints that the dolphins had was that a
certain group of Sirians that decided to keep
their white wine cooled in their favorite area,
their favorite watching area. They didn't like
that at all.
Russ: I can imagine.
Alana: and they couldn't flick them
out of the water properly because they were
concerned about breaking the bottles so they stole
Alana: took them to the far end of
the lake and then made the Sirians that
had left them there go and fetch them from the far
end. Made one person late for his race actually.
Russ: serves them right.
Russ: okay, has your mom given any
updates about our latest work with Norway?
Alana: yes some, some but I've not
been at my peak.
Russ: I'm sorry to hear that.
Alana: oh that's quite all right.
Russ: kind of under the weather are
Alana: just a tad.
Russ: oh, okay. No we have a
particular dolphin who seems to be hanging around
a particular I guess port or....
Alana: oh yes, mother did tell me.
Russ: right and near my...
Alana: uh-huh, she cried.
Russ: yeah because it had been shot
at and had some bullet wounds and stuff.
Alana: I cried.
Russ: I don't blame you.
Alana: see if you can get a physical
address from this person and I will give you a
recipe to send to him.
Russ: and well they call him Flipper.
Alana: oh very original......
Russ: that's what he said.
Alana: very original.
Russ: and what he's been asked to
write a little thing about Flipper to....
Alana: okay let's address this matter
at hand as we have limited time to deal with it.
Alana: okay, first of all is, what he
should do is go to his nearest store and....no
first of all he should contact a research
Institute of oceanographics. Get some antibiotics
for the dolphin, general well-being antibiotics to
make it feel better. Then go and buy a whole
salmon as it probably likes salmon, hence the
reason why the fishermen have been shooting at it.
On the inside, smear the antibiotics on the inside
and give it to quote unquote, Flipper. What a
Russ: hey, they're from Norway okay?
Alana: okay, when he contacts a
oceanographic research institute, send a copy of
his letter that he writes to them to
the local newspaper.
Alana: about saying how concerned he
is about the dolphin. Also send a letter to a
local newspaper, another one, talking about how
great it is to have a dolphin in the area and how
saddening it is to see that it's being shot at by
the local fishermen and he understands the fact
that their local fishermen are concerned that he's
eating their fish. But also point out that he's
keeping away other predatory animals such as
Alana: and the fact that the
potential of having a dolphin there is a useful
tool for the fishermen to take
tourists out to go fishing and also to meet the
Russ: yeah, I've
Russ: now his question is, why is the
Alana: it has a purpose. Without me
talking to the dolphin it's hard to tell.
Without.....wait a second, can you get a
description of the dolphin?
Russ: yeah sure, that's easy.
Alana: uh-huh, if it's a bluish color
with white stripes especially kind of the Egyptian
type stripes on the eyes right?
Russ: (writes in my notepad) bluish
with white stripes....
Alana: by the eyes, the Egyptian
type. And if it has a slightly crooked fin, I
think you might know who it is.
Russ: .....eyes and crooked fin. Why
would I know who it is?
Alana: remember the one that we
(From the mission to bring a willing pod of third
dimensional dolphins to the base I had helped
Russ: oh yeah, right.
Russ: I thought we got that out of
Russ: well this is in Norway.
Russ: where did you guys return it
Alana: we returned it to the exact
location but that doesn't mean to say that it
hasn't gone off elsewhere. Maybe
its time up here served a purpose? I'm thinking
that it was up here for a reason. I'm thinking
that this Flipper has a very, very important part
to play on your planet, especially in the country
Russ: well let me get a description
on this little guy and see what I find
out some more about him.
Russ: interesting, that would be very
Alana: yes it would be because if it
is our dolphin and it is there, then the
spirituality up here has rubbed off and it is
trying to help the humans by drawing attention to
its plight, it draws its attention to all dolphin's
plight. Hmmm....ohh my stomach's a
Russ: I'll work on that. Okay one
last thing and then we're going to cut loose?
Russ: hmm, origination of whales.
Alana: origination of whales, they
are actually indigenous to your planet.
Russ: they are, that's what I
Russ: Karra kind of gave me a little
tip on that.
Alana: they are indigenous to your
planet, orcas are and are not. Like the primates
on your planet are related to you, like the
original earthlings, not the Lemurians or the
Atlanteans, the humanoid life form that was on
your planet is related or similar to our species
but not related because it's indigenous to your
planet and we're indigenous to ours but there are
Russ: there's a mix.
Alana: uh-huh. Your current race is a
mix of us and the original earthlings.
Russ: right, so are the orcas?
Russ: what other race are they mixed
with what though?
Alana: there's a species of orca that
was different. There are traces of it in the
Russ: oh, but now it's smarter
Alana: much smarter. Much more
friendlier as well.
Russ: still as ferocious and
predatory as its predecessor.
Alana: no, it's less ferocious.
Russ: I mean it has those same
Alana: yes but then they're much
more....they won't hurt certain animals. Mainly
Alana: and they're not ferocious and
predatory, they go for survival. Now the little
groups that are ferocious and predatory that
attack seals and so on are kind of nearer to the
strain of the original indigenous inhabitants.
now I have trouble believing that whales
are indigenous to our planet but not indigenous to
anywhere else. They have to be spread out along
Alana: oh there are species and
different types of whales spread out through the
galaxy but your whales are solely, the blue
whales, the right
whales and so on, they're
indigenous to your planet only. There are other
whales or whale-like creatures that have no
resemblance to your whales.
Alana: they are more birdlike, their
flippers are bigger, there are some planets that
have huge creatures like that, there are some
planets that have more dolphin sized type whales
that are more canine like, more like the dolphins.
Russ: interesting. I think we got a
pretty special group on ours.
Alana pretty special group all over
the place. Anyway.....
Russ: all right.
Alana: bye hon.
Russ: bye sweetheart.
(Tia stops in quickly.)
Tia: okay last person.
Russ: okay bye.
(Says bye in Durondedunn twice)
(Lyka bursts onto
Lyka: hey buddy.
Russ: hey what's up?
Lyka: so how's it going?
Russ: good Lyka, how you been doing
Russ: kicked butt today I hear huh?
Russ: get some serious down, out, no
hold back whatsoever.
Lyka: hey, I did good.
Russ: good job girl, I'm proud of
Lyka: thank you.
Russ: it was so nice to see you on
the list for the gold and nice to put it on the
Lyka: thank you, did best.
Russ: I have no doubt, no doubt.
Lyka: my current testosterone balance
Russ: (laughs) and we were a little
worried about that testosterone balance affecting
your racing ability, particularly your....
Lyka: it made me more aggressive,
still am very aggressive.
Russ: I thought you may be a little
more top-heavy than you were used to before.
Lyka: that was a problem but I'm
still the %#$&*@# best.
Russ: good girl.
Lyka: pardon me, didn't mean to
Russ: that's all right, I understand.
Lyka: still having problems with the
Russ: I understand and hey, it's
going to make you a much better warrior I think
when you go off on this next trip coming up.
Lyka: yeah you bet, yeah. They
were going to give me medication to tone it down
but uh-uh, don't need it.
Russ: oh no, now whose arms have you
Lyka: I haven't broken anybody's arms
this week so far but
you want to be the
Russ: the week's still early.
Lyka: you want to arm wrestle?
Russ: darling, not in Mark's body.
Lyka: I'd still beat you.
Russ: you might, you might, you
might. Over that much mileage, you still might
pull it off.
Lyka: uh-huh, you better believe it
Russ: well I'm sure this is just a
phase you're going through.
Russ: typical phase is it?
Russ: I didn't think so, I didn't
think all Sirians go through this, it's just
Lyka: it's because I eat meat.
Russ: raw meat probably at this
Lyka: you want me to break something?
Russ: just throw something at you,
"here, here some raw meat, oh don't go near her."
Lyka: come here buster.
Russ: I can't wait to see you when
you get off and really get going here.
Lyka: you're pushing it aren't you?
Russ: oh I will come up there
sometime though and we'll have to do some laser
tag or something.
Russ: that would be kind of fun. So
(Tia saves the
Tia: I'm sorry Russ, I had pull
her out. She was getting pumped up there.
Russ: yeah I could see that.
Tia: uh-huh. She had Mark's fists
clenched and I'm sort of like watching the impulse
for the arm and her arms. Fists had developed and
it was getting ready to go back and go whack.
Russ: she needs to tone down the
caffeine a little bit I think there.
Tia: no, that is exactly how she is.
Russ: Jesus, that's 24 seven right?
Russ: 24 hours, seven days a week?
Tia: uh-huh, pretty much so.
Russ: poor girl.
Russ: how long is this going to last?
Tia: I should say probably about
another month or so.
Russ: another month?
Russ: oh that poor girl, when is she
going off on her trip?
Tia: in May.
Russ: shall never make it.
Tia: yes she will.
Russ: what, a month of this?
Russ: she'll be tearing the base up.
Tia: no, she spends quite a bit of
her time down the barracks.
Russ: she doesn't spend time in the
(She had been staying with Tia, Mark
and Kiri while on base.)
Russ: a little too pumped up for
Tia: yeah, uh-huh. She runs about 20
miles a day as well.
Russ: well no wonder she won first
Tia: oh yeah, she's in fighting fit
Russ: I'm surprised she only picked
up sixth place in the all....
Tia: she doesn't have...she
used her downhill skis whereas Kiri used her GS
Tia: so she couldn't get into the
gates quick enough in the bottom.
Russ: but she had the speed, she just
couldn't keep the speed up when she went in the
Tia: that's correct.
Russ: I get it.
Russ: oh man.
Tia: it's funny actually, this fan
jumped over the corral area, gave her a big hug
and you do know what she did?
Russ: she hit her?
Tia: uh-huh, knocked this fan clean
out, it was a guy.
Tia: was she was just pumped up and
the fan grabbed her. Gave her a big hug and she
just stepped back and just went "Whack"
which everybody thought was absolutely hilarious.
Russ: well that must've been a great
playback on Sirius.
Tia: yeah the guy deserved it you
Russ: yeah right.
Tia: you got somebody that's totally
pumped up on testosterone in downhill right? Jump
over a corral, grab them from behind to give them
big hug, what do you expect? Especially a soldier
Russ: where's this guy from?
Tia: he's from Sirius.
Russ: that's what I thought.
Tia: uh-huh, got totally
knocked out cold. The medics just
lifted him over the corral and left him in the
Russ: well I can see why we didn't
want to have Skip around here when she came in.
Russ: good God, she'd get pumped up
Tia: want to take everybody on.
Russ: oh well.
Tia: yeah she just walked in, opened
the door, she was in full armor and she goes "I
want to channel."
Russ: oh Jesus. I couldn't resist
pumping her a little bit there.
Tia: oh God, she's pounding on the
door at the moment. Kiri's just pointed....ohhh if
looks could kill.
Tia: Kiri pointed out that you have
to push the handle down and pull towards you and
she was trying to push the door open.
Russ: oh Lord.
Russ: well I'll get up there and....
Tia: I wouldn't,
I would avoid her until she's back to
normal. I have the strength to control her in my
hands, Kiri controls her by sheer brute of mind.
Mark's the only one that has a little bit of
Russ: God, I don't think I've seen
her get quite that rowdy.
Tia: that's pure aggression from
Russ: well maybe it's good, she needs
that in her..........this growing stage.
Tia: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: we get it down here too once in
Russ: how's Mark's reading session
Tia: reading session?
Russ: the Cubs.....
Tia: oh the Cubs.......
Russ: Leonedies, stellar
cartography or whatever it is.
Tia: quantum physics.
Russ: quantum physics of course.
Tia: uh-hmm. I believe, Kiri says
that he's finishing "The Hobbit" tonight with Alex
and also he's going to do quantum physics with
Leonedies. The Cubs? I get the feeling that
they're in bed now and asleep or they should be.
I'm not getting any play from them if you know
what I mean.
Russ: I'm surprised that Leonedies
isn't reading to Mark quantum physics.
Tia: I think they more along the line
Russ: how could you debate Leonedies?
It's not an issue of debate, it's learned. I mean
the kid's got it already.
Tia: yes he does but they're dealing
with the high-end. They're talking about naked
singularities, singularity, points of infinity,
points of irregularity.
Russ: okay, well I'm glad they're
working on it. Leonedies is getting nothing out of
me on those subjects.
Tia: actually, here's a little
secret. Mark is very high when it comes to physics
and quantum physics.
Russ: he's got me beat.
Tia: uh-huh, he understands what Stephen Hawking
is talking about when he makes his comments about
Einstein almost had it right or Stephen Hawking
has it wrong in certain points. He is correct.
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Russ: well good, they
should have a good time together then.
Tia: uh-huh, Mark's IQ from what
we've obtained is in actual fact an average.
Russ: hmm, average to people down
Tia: no, an average. It's all the
questions that were asked kind of evened out to be
Tia: so his...what was
Russ: that's pretty good.
Tia: yeah, I think he's 161 or
something like that is an average. You get him in
physics and he's somewhere like 170, 175 I
Russ: where are you at as far as...?
Tia: my average is about 160, 162,
Russ: so you're a good match.
Tia: uh-huh but I don't debate
physics with him.
Russ: no I don't either.
Tia: uh-huh because he's always
right, Mr. smarty-pants and the tape's about to
Tia: let me check. Yep, pretty close.
Russ: I haven't done any check to see
what my IQ is, I'm probably around 110, 115 maybe.
Tia: I should say more like 150, that
being the average being about 130.
Russ: well, it's a lot of reading.
Tia: uh-huh. Well Mark's
is mainly reasoning capabilities, if you get him
reasoning things out, there's no
Russ: hmm, well I was going to work
on you tonight with Karen's dreams but
we're kind of short on time......
Tia: yes we are.
Russ: and I want to get through some
other stuff but I'd like to work on it with you
Tia: okay let's hit on it quickly.
Russ: okay, her dreams show me, Mark
and about well six people altogether.......
Russ: all headed out into this field
behind us here but she says.......she keeps having
it, it's over and over, the same dream.
Russ: one time it's at night,
sometimes it's the day.
Tia: okay what we want her to do is
actually sit down and write it down.
Russ: she has.
Tia: okay. Write it down each time.
Tia: okay? Because the
wording on how she writes it is very important and
it should be different from each time.
Russ: well she said like one time she
was reminded to come back and grab the
medical kit here.
Russ: this medical kit in particular.
Tia: okay see, important,
fact. What she may have in her dream is a listing
of what is needed. Okay tell her that each time she has
it, when she can remember to, to write
Russ: I think she has, usually she's
got it pretty well chronicled so far as it's been
a fairly important dream for her because it
Tia: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: but what do you see
as.......I'm looking at this as being...
Tia: a possibility.
Russ: a strong possibility at this
Tia: uh-huh. I think it's going to be
something to keep open.
Russ: I'm looking at the survivor
Tia: there might be a reason behind
Russ: well now we're looking at
topographic maps of the area and we're looking at
basic fallback zones because of her dream up there
on the mountain.
Russ: so we're looking at various
fallback zones in case this dream does come about.
Russ: which means we need to have
some basic supplies, ready to go in an emergency
Tia: uh-huh. Now there is something
that is important that would kill Mark if he had
to leave it behind. Or let me
rephrase that, leave her behind.
(Mark's cat at the time.)
Russ: couldn't take her with us.
Tia: no I think you could.
Russ: we have to bring a kitty cage
Tia: uh-huh. Actually I think she
would fit into the bottom......or the
top of a backpack. I believe he's done that in the
past but what you need for her is a long leash and
a collar, she's going to hate it.
Russ: oh no doubt.
Tia: and Mark would hate leaving her
Russ: well he sees it as a....or she
sees the scene around it as snow melting, patches
Russ: so we're not looking this
spring, I would say a year from this spring.
Tia: uh-huh but I suggest that Mark
buys a leash and collar for Joey.
Tia: because I think it would kill
him literally to leave her behind. Because Mark
doesn't look upon Joey as a cat. You've heard his
comments haven't you?
Russ: oh yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: well what I don't get
Tia: besides, it would kill Joey to
be separated for a long period of time from Mark.
Russ: I agree.
Tia: and the tape should be just
about ready to end, want to check?
Russ: not quite, we got a little bit
of time left.
Tia: about two minutes.
Russ: two more or less.
Tia: but getting back to Joey, that
is basically Mark's daughter at this time. Now
could you leave Alana or no, not Alana,
Miranda, Alana's sitting in front of me lifting up
her T-shirt and has got a hand on her stomach.
She's got one hand on her stomach.......
Russ: yes that pregnant stomach of
Tia: it's not noticeable yet. But
could you leave Miranda behind?
(A daughter I have with Alana, my other bondmate.)
Tia: or David or Michael (the twins
of Karra and I) or Kevin or Klarra?
(Karra's daughter from before she met me.)
Tia: could Mark leave Joey behind?
Russ: no of course not.
Russ: I could leave every one of my
other cats here and not even blink an eye.
Tia: yes but Mark, not only did he
promise, make a big promise that Joey would be
taken care of. He's also got very emotionally
attached to her.
Russ: well we'll fix it up with Joey.
Russ: Joey is going to hate a leash.
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: dragging, sitting there going,
dragging, dragging along.
Tia: no, Mark would carry her. If
necessary, get a papoose pouch that he
can wear on his chest so that he can actually
reach in and stroke her.
Russ: well if it is prepared
correctly beforehand that's not a problem and we
might want to take some hikes with her.
Russ: just to
Russ: because we have to go up there
anyway to go check out stuff in the summertime
Tia: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: so we're going to make a few
runs up there so you might want to.....we'll do it
while you guys are in his head maybe.
Tia: now how in the hell are we going
to figure out how to talk Mark into taking away
figure it out.
Tia: worst-case, just tell him that
Russ: life or death..
Tia: life or death or leave his
daughter behind. Mark does adore that cat. Who
else would sit there and hand feed a sick cat and
put water on his fingers so that she could lick it
off when she was sick? Remember him doing that
Russ: uh-huh, not me. I'm going to
get some grass, scarf it down.
Tia: no she wouldn't.....nevermind.
Russ: I know, I know, I know.
Tia: yeah that was when she had her
severe cold and sore throat and everything.
Russ: poor little kitty.
Tia: yeah, he adores that cat. I
think he will be very upset when it's
her time to go.
Russ: not for a while.
Tia: no she's got some good years in
Russ: well we got about one year left
here I'd say.
Russ: just to get everything prepped.
Tia: one year, let's say minimum.
Russ: yeah, good call.
Tia: yeah and after that it's
borrowed time. When summer arrives, you've got
time to prepare and get everything settled down
and look at other options.
Russ: well between now and that
Russ: we have to have a lot of stuff
Tia: uh-huh and after that it's
Tia: end of tape.
Russ: not quite.
Tia: oh well.
Tia: oh that's right, I keep on
forgetting about the timeouts.
Russ: right now with the webpage.
Russ: this is going to come down to
basically a chronicle of events leading up to
Tia: uh-huh. Now let us look at the
computer hardware right? Can't let that fall into
bad hands either.
Tia: same procedure, bury it. You
want to have individual bags that can be zip
locked that are big enough to hide everything or
Russ: yep, at least everything on
Tia: uh-huh. You need at least one of
those computers that is able to be accessed for
the simple reason that yeah with Mark's.....I
think he's going to have his
emulator system set up in there so he'll be able
to access your disks as....
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