Archivist Notes: This month is all about introductions as a new guest is introduced to the speakers while Omal reflects on earth's international changes. We also hear from Kiri on the when's and why's of coercion. On the rest of this half of the session, Leonedies presents an introduction to the participants of the intergalactic conference at the time to welcome the various channels who were to represent the various races involved in the conference. Side Two of the session starts with a visit from Taal, one of the Base's pilots and his revelations that races visiting this planet use the earth's equator for an entry and exit point. Star Wars and the upcoming release of The Phantom Menace is discussed with Karra along with natural cough syrups and water purification.

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SIDE ONE

(Tia starts things off)

Skip: well?

Tia: (says hi in Durondedun)

Skip: (laughs)

Russ: hi Tia,

Skip: hi babe.

Tia: hello. Hello, is this microphone working?

Laura: (came to the session with a throat issues, whispers something)

Tia: ahhh, you speak softly.

Laura: not by choice.

Tia: I understand. Okay, where do we start, where do we start? Markets, markets, markets and wild fluctuation and financial entertainment. Well for those of you who've been watching the markets with some interest and trepidation, you may be noticing that it has reached a plateau where it rose above 11,000 and hung there for a little while and dropped back down. The reason is that the economy is obviously going reasonably well, there is now currently some concern of the rising in the interest rate of the Fed, also the economic outlook is supposedly starting to slow and inflation is starting to increase. The policies that have been enacted for the past seven years are starting take a toll and are starting to cause fluctuation. However, I do not see it dropping back below 10,000 within the next few months, in fact I see it increasing and approaching the staggering figure of 12,000. Now if you've been watching the markets overseas, they are doing very much the same sort of thing of fluctuating and losing up to 2% of the value in one day and then regaining their losses gradually over a period of days where they reach a new high level whereupon they promptly drop back down below losing another 2 to 3% and then climbing its way back up to where it once was a few days prior. This is still a sign that the Asian flu is very much in appearance however in Asia it is starting to weaken its hold but there are more entertainment to come. As been referred to, July looks like an entertaining month. It is in my opinion a time where you will look back and say, "that's when it started, that's when the economic change started to occur". However, I mentioned the amazing figure of 12,000 on the Dow making that point and that is yet to come but will occur probably towards the end of the summer getting into the period of fall. Once it reaches fall, then the market will be worth watching with some great interest for the roller coaster ride that is to come. As we get closer to the end of the millennium and the year 2000 and the quote, unquote 2000 bug, that is going to also have some interesting effects on the gyrations of the economic markets overseas as well as your own country. There was a time long ago where one country did not affect another, now they all do as you have seen with the occurrences starting in Japan and Hong Kong and Shanghai working its way through Europe how a domino effect, although gradual and uneven does occur. Okay moving along to the more immediate matters at hand and the fiasco in the province of Kosovo, this area is undergoing some rather dramatic changes and it has been rumored that Slobodan Miloševic will be calling for a cease-fire here shortly. Now the fact that Apache helicopters have been sent to the area and the fact that they are so famed is also a political ploy on the part of NATO. These weapons are feared and rightly so however they can be unreliable as was seen in the Persian Gulf conflict. Another misconception that is floating around is the fact that the situation in Kosovo is a war. Has anybody seen a declaration of war? If I seem to recall correct with US policy, there cannot be a war without a declaration and a vote by the house and the senate. Has anybody heard of such a vote in either house?

Russ: no.

Skip: nope.

Tia: okay......yes?

Laura: I'm agreeing with you on that.

Tia: oh okay, I thought you were going to say something. You sound a little bit like a small horse.

Laura: like a what?

Tia: umm small horse, pony?

Laura: okay.

Tia: no, I've got it all wrong. I don't understand your wording phraseology sometimes.

Russ: she meant small pony, you sound a little horse.

Laura: sorry I'm blonde.

Tia: yes I noticed that but you are not blonde as in the usage that you are using it in.

Laura: I'm being silly.

Tia: ahh, okay I see. I am aware of what silly is, I can be silly too. Incy, wincy spider sat down on the pot..Incy, wincy spider really got......nevermind. Where was I? Oh yes, in a development that is about to occur in the situation with Kosovo, there is a lot of political jockeying going on and I hate to bring puns into horses and little ponies but there is jockeying going on for positioning in taking the credit of what is about to occur with the possible cessation of quote unquote hostilities and the withdrawal of the forces that are under Slobodan Miloševic. Now, getting back a little bit closer to the ground and the refugee crisis. The flow has seemed to have dropped dramatically recently which suggests one of two things. Either there aren't any more Albanians......ethnic Albanians left to leave the country or the fact that they feel safe. Whichever is the two possibilities gives rise for possible interesting conjecture. The one is that if they feel safe, then what do they feel safe from? Obviously not Slobodan Miloševic or another possibility that I've just thought of is that they're afraid to travel on the roads and if they're afraid to travel on the roads, why? Well just recently a lot of mishaps have happened with wrong targets, targets being hit that weren't supposed to be where they are such as the Chinese embassy incident which in itself opens up a can of worms which may be interesting to peruse at a much closer level when we have more time and opportunity. But, with the refugee problem ceasing to be a concern of crossing the border or as in quantities, the other possibility is that there aren't that many ethnic Albanians left to leave the country, then NATO has failed in its policies and if that is so, then why are they still involved in the situation where they've obviously failed? The reason why it's failing is that there are no clear objectives. To stop the hostilities towards the ethnic Albanians is not an objective, that is a part of the process. To make Slobodan Miloševic's forces withdraw, well that hasn't happened either. So the objectives are not being achieved because there is no clear, concise objective. Also the terrain in those areas that are being attacked by NATO air forces is a very hilly, difficult terrain so accuracy becomes a little bit more difficult and unfortunately I don't have the technical skill or data to be able to say exactly why the accuracy ratio is as low as it is. But, another factor that has to be conjectured is that with the deployment of the Apache helicopters and their feared reputation, then that will be triumphed as part of the reason of the withdrawal of the forces under Slobodan Miloševic. And our scribe's going to have a hell of a time translating all the Slobodan Miloševic's but unfortunately that's part of the report. Okay before I bounce out of here and go and play with the Cubs before they get time to go to sleep, any questions? Okay...

(says goodbye in Durondedun)

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(Kiri comes on to channel)

Kiri: hi, hello, hello, hello. Yo, yo, hey dude, hey dude. Hello and you are........

Skip: Kiri, that's Laura.

Kiri: Laura, Laura?

Laura: Laura.

Russ: Laura, that is Kiri.

Laura: nice to meet you.

Kiri: cool, coolness. Okay, what are we here to talk about tonight? Ummmm....I know, I'll do the ring mistress thing. Let me go and get my whip, handcuffs and put my tall hat on and we will get down to business and clear the air. But in the meantime whilst I send off one of my little errand runners, anyone want to talk about anything? Any questions?

Laura: tell me a little bit about yourself.

Kiri: well, I am a little on the short side, I'm 6'1". Currently my hair is red, my actual, natural color is brunette, I am an engineer. One of my primary enjoyments is designing little miniature robots for children to play with, only about yea tall. As I said I'm an engineer, the projects I'm working on I can't go into at the moment and no Skip, I'm not going to bring up warp cores tonight.

Skip: (laughs) thank you darling.

Kiri: also I have a current interest in botany, or is it topany? I can't remember which. I also like to do downhill skiing on Sirian skis. I am the daughter of the current president of the Council on Sirius. I am also the more playful and more better half of the Tanaka girls up here on the base. Yo, go team. I also do the gossip column for the Hades Base News. Yes I will have something for you Russ.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: huh?

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay? Also what else do I do? Am I missing anything?

Skip: you still won't tell me about that warp core.

Kiri: no, why should I? You've got to figure that out on your own.

Skip: I can't pull enough from my past life to do that.

Kiri: well that's not my problem is it hmm? Okay, where was I? Oh yes, engineering is my primary concern, I'm also interested in designing clothing, swimsuits, lingerie and dresses.

Laura: sounds like you're fairly creative?

Kiri: well only when I get the opportunity, the rest the time I'm busy constructing engineering and repairing engineering equipment.

Russ: she's also a great mom.

Kiri: only in my off hours which I don't have enough of these days. (sighs) Okay, I have my whip and my tall hat and my cuffs so without further ado.......oh I'm also am a coercer.

Laura: pardon?

Kiri: a coercer.

Laura: okay.

Kiri: which means that I can control other people by my mind.

Laura: that could be useful.

Kiri: oh it's very useful but we have very strict moral rules which let's go into just for the fun of it. Okay the rule one of coercion, never for personal gain. Rule two, always remember rule one. Rule three, remember rule one and two. Okay seriously, rule three is always weigh the odds first. That's important because if you make a decision and it's a wrong decision, you obviously haven't weighed the odds properly and part of the purpose of coercion is to be able to get people to do what you think is correct or what you know to be correct. Distinguishing what is right and correct from what is wrong and incorrect is very important so a coercer has to have the ability to be able to figure out what is right for somebody else because what maybe right for me, may not be right for you. So being able to put myself in quote unquote your shoes is very important. For example, let us take a situation, a hypothetical situation. Let's say that you like to imbibe in alcohol right? And it's doing you harm. Okay if I coerce you out of it and coerce you to stop drinking alcohol, it may make you turn to something else which may be much harsher and harder. So in actual fact the thing to do would be to coerce you to make you realize that the alcohol is bad and therefore to let you make your own choice whether or not to quit knowing that it is now wrong and doing you harm and that you really should give it up whereas prior to that, you didn't have the, I wouldn't say the belief that it was doing you harm but the desire or all the information. The, "it can't happen to me" kind of behavioral pattern. Or, "It won't happen to me, I'll quit before it happens to me". So by giving you that nudge, gives you the opportunity to look at things and say, "okay, so I'm drinking too much, maybe I should quit." As opposed to going out and coercing you never to drink again without any explanation, you've got to do the footwork yourself so that you do part of the learning pattern.

Laura: that makes sense.

Kiri: uh-hum. We've got it all worked out and we've got it what's the word? Nevermind, it's a long word that's nevermind....where was I? Oh yes, you'll have to excuse me being a scatterbrain, we have a guest that is strutting around doing the delinquent thing with bamboo canes at the moment. Ummmm, okay let me put on the next speaker as this is getting a little out of hand here. Doesn't make life easy.

(speaking to someone on the base)

Kiri: can you put that down please? Thank you.

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(Omal comes in and starts speaking)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings honored guest.

Russ: greetings Omal. Laura, this is Omal, Omal that's Laura.

Laura: good evening.

Omal: greetings and salutations.

Laura: nice to meet you.

Omal: it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance on my part. Okay, let us get down to business and quickly and briefly go over Tia's comments. We will be a less formal format than normal tonight as has been demonstrated by our somewhat distracted ring mistress. Okay, most of Tia's comments are acceptable except for references to sources. That is definitely needing to be stricken from the record.

Russ: sauces?

Omal: sources. The word sources, nothing to do with cuisine.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay secondly, there needs to be a pause between the economic insights and the political, military insights. I believe Tia kind of scrunched them together as being in a bit of a hurry.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay now then, tonight we have a guest with us, both down there and over here. We will be dealing with the guest over here shortly. We will open the opportunity to your guest down there to be able to ask questions and we can explain individually what fields we deal with to answer any questions necessary.

Laura: thank you.

Omal: you are welcome. Okay, let us open the floor for questions. As I note that you have a inflammation of the lower, I think it would be esophageal area?

Laura: yes.

Omal: we will if you wish let both Skip and Russell there ask questions on your behalf if you are having difficulty.

Laura: that would be fine with me.

Omal: or ask questions if you might wish to ask but they think of first. Let us open the floor.

Russ: okay, real quickly Omal, why don't you tell Laura a little bit about yourself?

Omal: okay I have the somewhat dubious distinction of being the base commander in charge of this bunch of reprobates. The base that we work on is a sixth dimensional workspace that is encapsulated by a fifth dimensional space so in actual fact we are broadcasting from the fifth dimension but within the sixth. Hades Base itself is sequestered about five of your miles below the surface of the planet Mars in the sixth dimension but within a fifth dimensional part of the space that it inhabits. To explain in a way, you are in the third dimension, the fourth dimension is time, the fifth dimension is space but not the space you would take normally as space, it is the space where an object appears somewhat different and the laws of physics are somewhat different. The best way to describe the fifth dimension is, let us say you have a object in front of you that you wish to pick up. Now in the fifth dimension, you would try to reach for it and it may appear to be the same distance away as it was before you reached for it. You may stand up and try to reach for it and again it might be the same distance away as it was to start off with. But if you were to turn 180° and walk away from the object, you may suddenly find yourself almost stepping on it and being able to pick it up. Another interesting part of the fifth dimension is the ability that sometimes the laws of physics are suspended. The normal belief of what goes up must come down, pick up an object and release it and it will fall to the floor doesn't always work. For example you may release an object thinking it will fall the floor and instead it falls the ceiling, very interesting. Or you may be walking along, walk into a wall, walk up the wall, across the ceiling, down the other wall. You can also open up a box, let us say a foot by a foot and slide in a pole that is 10 feet long and the pole may fall to the bottom of the box and may take a considerable length of time to do so. This can be replicated in labs and is very useful for storage as might be suspected however it does leave open interesting problems on retrieving things. Another useful example is watering plants...(sneezes)

Laura: bless you.

Omal: that was not me. There is something irritating the nasal passages.

Russ: want some tea or something?

Omal: we will see how it goes. Another interesting phenomenon is we have a gentleman here that has a can for watering his plants that is probably no more than larger then the tankard that Russ uses for drinking. However, this one watering can will water the equivalent to maybe a 100 plants in large containers of about this width, quite impossible in normal space. It is very useful to have such a small container containing such vast quantities of water as it does not weigh that much. Okay, any more questions?

Russ: I have a couple on earth matters.

Omal: okay.

Russ: the new Prime Minister of Israel......

Omal: uh-hmm.

Russ: Mr. Barack, he is set to get the peace process restarted with the Middle East hopefully settling down. Talks with Syria, separate Palestine state, troop pullout of Lebanon.

Omal: uh-hmm.

Russ: one of the things that we worry about most in the future as far as world events is the Middle East, is this something that we can look forward to as being a little more of a steadying factor now?

Omal: I believe the same comments were made about Benjamin...

Russ: Netanyahu?

Omal: thank you, when he first came into office and there were all the signs that this was going to happen. However, we have seen what has happened recently, this is not the case and this may happen again. The new Prime Minister of Israel is going to be somebody worth watching and somebody that is going to be underestimated quite a few times.

Russ: hmm.

Laura: is that in a good manner or a negative manner?

Omal: depends on which way you look at it. It could be negative in the fact that he may give in too easily or it may be positive that he may become very stubborn. It is something that depends on the situation. It is definitely going to be something worth watching in a way that is going to be enlightening. He is not all that he appears to be and he is more than he appears to be. So he is going to be definitely an interesting force in the politics of Israel coming up within the next couple years.

Russ: hmm, the next thing I have is on China and the nuclear secrets being revealed to them. It looks like they're becoming a new world power to watch out for in the future. Any comments on that?

Omal: new?

Russ: a major player again, like really major.

Omal: the Chinese have a proverb, "one day we will rule the world". That is not a new proverb, it is something that has been around for many, many hundreds of years. It is a philosophy they call the long view so to say that it is new is definitely a misnomer. To say that they are the new world power or will become a new world power is also inaccurate. After all, they only have 21 nuclear warheads compared to the thousands of both the United States and the former Soviet Union have in comparison. It is more along the lines of being able to fulfill a prophecy which unfortunately I can't go into too much detail as that would be giving away information of what is to come.

Russ: hmmm okay, then taking a little trip off the planet, a new face on Mars being discovered.

Omal: new face? Old face being rediscovered.

Russ: all right, good enough. I'm able to check out what part of Mars it was found on but I'm not sure if it's near the old one or not. Any observation there you could help me with?

Omal: you'll have to do the footwork on your own, we cannot give away secrets or information that you're not ready for without doing the research. I do not mean you as a race, I mean you as individuals.

Russ: right.

Omal: it is like me giving you a lesson and then saying there will be an exam but I will give you the answers so that you may write them down and get the correct answers. This is not learning.

Russ: uh-huh.

Laura: but the information is there if we dig for it?

Omal: that is correct, that is part of the learning process. To give information, you do not learn, you learn it by rote but do not understand. You do not go through the toil and the sweat to achieve the objective.

Russ: uh-hmm, okay. Thanks Omal.

Omal: are you okay there Skip?

Skip: yeah, I'm just....

Omal: suddenly feeling tired?

Skip: wore out.

Omal: it has been a long day for you has it not?

Skip: hm-hmm, 6 o'clock this morning.

Omal: ahhh to sleep in. I think I am due for a nap here in the next few weeks. Okay let us continue, more questions please.

Russ: okay, I did a search for our two subjects that we were to look up, I was to look up. I could not find the new girl working with the Zeta's......

Omal: uh-hmm.

Russ: she might not have a webpage yet or hasn't been set up yet by somebody else but there's nothing new on her. I did think I found a new group though, I don't know if Karra sent you a report yet and I forgot to print out the name on it so I don't have a name for you right now.

Omal: Karra is looking rather red-faced at the moment.

Russ: ahhh, well.....

Skip: she didn't do it.

Laura: sorry Karra.

Russ: oops. Well it's my fault too, I didn't complete the research that I was working on like I should of. I was still looking for the girl and just came across them on the way through it and I just kind of skipped through it.

Omal: yes but she is out there. We cannot tell you where, we cannot give you the correct information, we cannot even give you a name.

Russ: I know.

Omal: just that she is ready and willing. You could almost say the opposite number to what we have here.

Russ: eerrrrrrr.

Omal: why the eerrrrr?

Russ: well it's like, the web is a very big place to look through. I thought the world was big place, the web is much bigger.

Omal: it is all perspective.

Russ: right, I'll keep working on that.

Omal: okay.

Russ: that's pretty much all I've got.

Omal: okay, any more questions?

Skip: no Omal.

Laura: no.

Omal: okay.

Russ: thanks Omal.

Skip: thanks Omal.

Laura: good night.

Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back and you also might try Eucalyptus for that.

Laura: thank you.

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(Kiri switches between speakers)

Russ: hi Kiri

Kiri: yo I'm back. (Snaps an invisible whip.) Hey, doesn't make a noise down there, oh well. Behave yourself.

Russ: probably didn't make a noise up there either.

Kiri: want to bet? It gets attention, it's only yea long anyway. Only makes a little noise. No it's not made out of silk.

Skip: what would you have one for?

Kiri: never you mind. Okay, we have our next guest speaker.

Russ: we had one before this?

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: we had a guest speaker before this?

Kiri: no I said we have our next guest speaker.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: and okay.....let me see...let me try and get him over here as he is being somewhat stubborn and sullen. There will be a short intermission with...........

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(Leonedies takes over from his mom)

Leonedies: greetings and felicitations and welcome to this session. It is my honor and duty to be able to slow down and talk.

Russ: thank you Daniel.

Leonedies: okay. Part of the upcoming talks revolves around the importance to be able to set up the conference itself. (Russ sneezes) With the creation of a neutral environment that is non-irritating to the nasal capacities, a sterile environment within the Internet where interference from external sources cannot be injected into the system and that also the parties can continue the debate on a timescale that is not constrained by actual physical time. One of the interesting parts of your Internet is that time does not really matter. Whether it's a few seconds or a few hours, a discussion in your system can continue indefinitely. I believe you call them notice boards?

Russ: bulletin boards.....

Leonedies: something like that. Part of the setup has to be in this format and also part has to be in a dialogue facility where a predetermined rendezvous time is set up and the parties involved get together and discuss the necessary preparations for the conference. The conference itself is on a timetable which is very flexible. This is a key element to being able to communicate in a way that will be of utmost benefit for all the parties involved and those parties that wish to join in once the dialogue has opened. So it would also be beneficial not only to have a area where individuals that are involved in the discussions can post comments and notes, but also an area where what is being discussed can be read and perused at an individual's leisure but in chronological order and sequence of whence it happened. Okay now, moving to a much more important matter: 

"Dear (insert name here), it is with honor and pleasure that on behalf of the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Light, I humbly request your indulgence and ability to peruse the information and forward it to the sources that you communicate with. This information will be of beneficial enlightenment for all parties concerned. We humbly request that you join us in a debate for the advancement and development of a species that is in the important changeover from one form to another. It is important that we come to an understanding and work with a common goal for this development of this species and of more importance is that we put aside the past animosities and dealings that we have had in the past to work for this purpose of advancing this race. It is our duty to offer to you a area where we can discuss freely the best way to proceed with the advancement of this species to a level that is comparable to ours. It is also important that we discuss openly and if necessarily, bluntly what is beneficial, not just for the species that we are dealing with in a capacity, but for all of us that are involved in this advancement of this one species. To this purpose, I extend the hand of friendship and offer the opportunity to discuss through the medium of the Internet of this species the best way to proceed with the evolvement of a new species into a area of enlightenment and intelligence of a higher level. I humbly hope that you accept this offer and that we may continue a discussion that is beneficial for all concerned."

And then you would put down your name Russ as part of the process, Scribe to Ashtar Command, Hades Base and also put down the channeling party's name and those that wish to be involved on our part. Okay now then, getting back to more frivolous matters, I understand we have a new person present tonight. My name is Daniel although my real name is Leonedies which will become clear later. I am pleasure to meet your acquaintance young lady.

Laura: thanks too.

Russ: this is Laura.

Leonedies: I understand you are not feeling too well in your throat. My auntie is a healer, I suggest that you talk to her about some things that may be able to clear your irritation in your throat area. It is also necessary for me to welcome you to joining us at this time. If I seem to be talking too fast I do apologize, sometimes my mind works faster then the vocal cords and they try to keep up I can't understand why, it is confusion for me. So if you can bear with me with these moments occur and I will try to slow down when my mind slows down. In the meantime I will answer any questions you wish.

Laura: how do I contact your aunt in regards to this information?

Leonedies: she will be along shortly.

Laura: very good, I appreciate it.

Leonedies: and I do not understand the humor coming from Skip over there.

Skip: I just was wondering when you take a breath.

Leonedies: ummm, about every 60 years or so.

Skip: (chuckles) that's what I figured because the way you talk, I'm sorry, it's just kind of a personal joke okay?

Leonedies: okay, well you do have a slower thought process than I do.

Skip: I understand that.

Leonedies: I'm being a little condescending and facetious, please forgive me but it is sometimes amusing for myself to be able to do that. Next question please.

Russ: you mentioned a neutral, sterile environment on the Internet in which to conduct the talks using both bulletin boards and discussion forums.

Leonedies: uh-hmm.

Russ: in doing so then, should it be something set up therefore where all parties are given passwords and access is granted only through the use of those passwords into those areas to post messages or enter into the discussion groups so other outside influences cannot enter?

Leonedies: I believe that would be self-evident that passwords would be necessary to prevent tampering of other individuals posting frivolous and inane and unimportant messages on there that may be attributed to other individuals. It is important that those individuals have a access that is unrestricted however the viewing public access must be restricted to only viewing only. The individuals that post information and bulletins notes on the bulletin board, it is obviously self-evident that they would need passwords to be able do this, is that not correct?

Russ: true, the one problem I've got is that the discussion forum is fairly easy due to the fact that it will be run in a similar fashion in the way that our thing with Spirit Chat is set up now with the Hades Base room where you need a password to get in. The bulletin board part I haven't quite got figured out because I hadn't realized we were going to go that route but I'll put some effort into that this week and see what I come up with.

Skip: uhhh question if you don't mind.

Russ: hmmm?

Skip: how are you going to get this password to these people so they can get into this bulletin board?

Russ: just email it.

Skip: email?. Oh okay, all right.

Russ: yeah, I am hoping everyone's got computers. So far, so good. When you mentioned after your address to the person that we are bringing on from the various groups, Scribe to Ashtar Command of Hades Base as presented by Daniel of Hades Base?

Leonedies: that would work, that would be satisfactory.

Russ: all right, that will work. Okay, and then the flexible time frame is no problem and we'll just have to work on also on getting it posted in various different places. The discussion forum themselves will just have to be entered in later on because those will be real-time. I'll need to enter those in as a adjusted format we can work with.

Leonedies: correct. Okay more questions?

Russ: that's all I can think of right now.

Skip: no thank you.

Laura: none, thank you.

Leonedies: have you tried ice water for that?

Laura: cool things seem to help in that it cools down the inflammation, ice water would be a good thing yes.

Leonedies: Russ, put a glass of water in the freezer please...

Russ: coming up.

Leonedies: and I will depart, thank you.

Russ: all right, thank you.

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(Kiri's back)

Kiri: yo, yo?

Skip: yo.

Kiri: yo, yo, yo. Smart little cookie isn't he?

Skip: uh huh.

Kiri: excitable little cookie.

Skip: especially for how old he is.

Kiri: uh-huh....and we're going to have a very upset gardener because he's just flamed his way through the bamboo.

(with his manifestation)

Skip: oh boy.

Kiri: how you doing there Laura?

Laura: hanging in there, thank you.

Kiri: good, good, good, good. You'll survive, you'll survive. I believe Daniel had the correct idea of something cold and soothing on your vocal cords may help.

Laura: sounds wonderful actually.

Kiri: you might want to talk to the host when he gets back and see about some ice cream. Send him off, say that you need ice cream.

Russ: is that directed at me perhaps?

Kiri: no not you. (sighs)

Russ: you mean Mark.

Kiri: who?

Russ: Marcus.

Kiri: who's Mark? Oh, the body we're inhabiting. Oh yes, yes, I forget sometimes that it is a male body. Okay.....

(Russ snickers)

Kiri: what?

Russ: you remember him, father of your child?

Kiri: oh yeah, father of my child yes, that was one of his deeds wasn't it?

Skip: (laughs)

SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO

(Kiri continues on)

Kiri: (speaks some Sirian)

Skip: what?

Kiri: (she repeats what she said)

Russ: it's Sirian for "there's a party going on and I'm missing it right now".

Kiri: far off the mark. Okay, we have a.....ohhh entertaining.....we have a guest speaker that has just walked in the door. Actually he's walked in the bamboo. Let me put him on.

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(Wing Commander Taal comes on to speak)

Taal: attention.

Russ: ahhhh, greetings Taal.

Taal: greetings Russell, greetings Skip.

Russ: Laura this is Taal, Taal, that's Laura.

Taal: greetings Laura.

Laura: greetings to you.

Russ: one of the people who pilot one of the ships for example like you guys were watching tonight.

Taal: you will have to forgive my sudden appearance.

Russ: no, nothing to forgive, it's good to see you again.

Taal: I only stay for a moment or two. I am sitting uncomfortably as I still have hands covered, feets of covered and you calling pressure suit so I think I drop by and say hello.

Russ: hello.

Skip: well thank you.

Russ: how's Katrina this evening? (his bondmate)

Taal: Katrina is being well.

Russ: good.

Taal: she is waiting for me, I listen to call in so I be knowing of her ready for me.

(English is not a language Taal is fluent in)

Russ: well excellent, thank you for stopping by this evening, this is great.

Skip: we're honored

Taal: you are of welcome.

Laura: thank you.

Russ: did you just get back to the base I take it then?

Taal: you may be of saying that yes.

Russ: so that wouldn't happen to have been you that was cruising by earlier would it?

Taal: sadly I am no longer in your sector.

Russ: ohhhh, what a shame.

Taal: if you may be of wishing I will indulge a forgiveness and find for you who was in your sector.

Russ: oh that's all right, I'm sure somebody was just passing by.

Skip: it's not necessary.

Russ: yeah a lot of trouble but it's just good to see you again. How's the flight's been? Very peaceful and calm?

Taal: sector over at moment is being of hot.

Russ: oh really?

Taal: so top pilots being of necessary for area. Unfortunately if things going wrong, I am in trouble as I am not speaking fully yet of native tongue of area.

Skip: hmm.

Russ: I see.

Taal: I know few words of. I think you know more of area's ability to communicate than I being of knowing.

Russ: only if it's Russia.

Taal: you would be saying, "Si"?

Russ: oh, Mexico, or South America.

Taal: si. Mexico.

Russ: ahhh.....como estas, buenos diaz.

Taal: Columbia.....

Skip: South America.

Taal: and Brasilia.

Skip: South America.

Taal: so, "yo creao necesita por yo to habla espanol."

Russ: well if you go down, pretend you're a gringo from South Carolina.

Taal: I am doing that bad?

(everyone laughs)

Taal: you laugh so I know I am being of that bad.

Skip: no, it's just that it strikes us kind of amusing.

Taal: so it would being better of me saying.....

Russ: ya'll.

Taal: ya'll, si. Yo creao necesita por yo to habla americano.

Russ: a little better. Well excellent, excellent and there has been in the history as far as Mexico goes a lot of sightings, especially Mexico City, they are famous for the amount of sightings they get down there.

Taal: and more being of occurring now, it is being very hot.

Russ: any idea why? I mean it's just not really that kind of place to be hot for some reason.

Taal: it is because of interest for exiting and entering due to rotation of planet. Necessary for entering to be fully aggressive for combat status so area become hot because of rotational problems creating many different groups and organizations entering into area.

Skip: in other words it's a space window.

Taal: that being close to correct but it being of hot there.

Russ: equator wise.

Skip: uh-huh, it's also a window where they can come and go.

Taal: correct, many different groups come and go so many different groups interact in hot capacity.

Russ: well what's strange is our flights into outer space all travel out through the poles if I remember right.

Skip: not anymore.

Russ: oh they don't?

Skip: no, they used to but they found other windows.

Russ: would this be the same reason, even though our craft are a little bit or quite a bit far behind, maybe they figured out the same window that....?

Taal: correct, it is cheapest window.

Russ: umm I see, less fuel used.

Taal: that is being of correct. Long time happening in area for historical reasoning.

Russ: yeah the Mayans and the various cities down there. Yeah, through the Yucatán Peninsula, there is quite a bit of history of ancient aliens visiting those areas.

Skip: yeah, yeah, there is, Central America, South America.

Taal: and has been hot on and off for great length of time.

Skip: sure, yeah.

Russ: Incas, Aztecs, Mayans....I hadn't thought of that though as being a window to come in.

Taal: okay let us being of finishing due to I have short time.

Skip: okay.

Russ: okay.

Taal: are you requesting information on who in sector?

Russ: no, no, that's okay.

Skip: no, no, we're just honored to have you here.

Russ: yeah.

Taal: I am thank you.

Russ: take care of yourself Taal, we look forward to seeing you next time and give our love to Katrina.

Taal: I being of.....

Russ: and your little one.

Taal: of course.

Russ: I am a parent now too so......

Taal: I am aware.

Russ: farewell.

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(Kiri takes over from Taal)

Russ: so that would also mean Egypt too?

Skip: uh-hmm. Well the equator....

Russ: hi Kiri.

Skip: the equator is the fastest moving surface of our planet okay?

Kiri: where did she go?

Russ: she went to the bathroom.

Kiri: ahhh.

Skip: so consequently, if you come in and go out at the equator or thereabouts through a window…….

Russ: you get thrown out into space.

Skip: you're using the rotation of the earth to get thrown out but when you come in that way, it's a softer landing because you're coming in such a high speed okay?

Kiri: the best way to describe it would be if you have a ball that is spinning right? You spin it, and you launch something from it right out as it's spinning away, it's getting that extra kick. Now when you come back in and it's spinning.......

Russ: you get the reverse and it brakes you.

Kiri: that's correct.

Skip: so you get a softer landing.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so if we look at the ancient history of earth and we look at various places that have been visited by extraterrestrials that we have been rumored of....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you would get the Mayans, Incas, Aztecs, the Egyptians, the Indians.

Skip: close to the equator, almost all of them.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: except for, well okay Africa, you got Egypt. But in the Middle East you have the Bible, extraterrestrial visitation throughout there.

Kiri: Gilgamesh.

Russ: yeah Gilgamesh. Throughout, yeah that's it. I mean that's your whole planet right there.

Kiri: here puttycat.......

Russ: because that's all you have is India, the Middle East, Africa…

Skip: and the Hawaiian Islands.

Kiri: (sings some Hawaiian before slipping into Sirian)

Russ: I don't think so.

Skip: yeah because they have their beliefs too of space travelers.

Russ: oh do they?

Skip: oh yeah, very much so. Just if you trace.........what do you need baby?

Kiri: (Kiri is still singing) well you guys were talking so I thought I'd sing.

Skip: (laughs)

Kiri: is it just my observation, or are all men male chauvinists?

Russ: it's just your observation.

Skip: it's just your.....

Kiri: was I talking to you guys?

Skip: (laughs again)

Kiri: please don't interrupt me whilst I'm pontificating.

Russ: well we should know, we're males. How would you know?

Kiri: Laura observation, are they always such chauvinistic pigs?

Laura: well I wouldn't want to be the one to give a definite answer either way but they are rather entertaining.

Kiri: yes I've noticed that. They're definitely an interesting subspecies of the humanoid genus.

Laura: the gender is necessary at this point though biologically.

Kiri: yes I.....we indulge too.

Russ: massively if necessary.

(snickers from the guys)

Kiri: well I suppose on the evolutionary chain we women are at the very pinnacle and the men are at somewhere towards the bottom.

Russ: you got a point there Kiri.

Kiri: one of the finer points.

Skip: yeah, right.

Laura: interesting position.

Kiri: true, true.

(starts speaking Sirian)

Russ: don't repeat what I say?

Kiri: okay, let me put on our next speaker.

Skip: thank you darling.

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(Karra comes on to finish the session)

Karra: what am I going to do with her?

Russ: hi Karra. How's it going sweetheart?

Karra: hey, hello, hello, I'm doing well, I'm doing well.

Russ: this is Laura.

Karra: and you have ice water coming.

Russ: it's going to be a while now because I just put a glass in the ice box with water in there.

Karra: yeah, do you have any, no that wouldn't work. No that wouldn't be a good idea either. I'm thinking of herbal remedies. You want something that is soothing to the throat........what do you have handy in inventory please?

Laura: honey.......

Karra: yes that's good.

Skip: darling can I make a suggestion?

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: how about onion cough syrup?

Karra: oh yes.

Laura: putting onion in the honey?

Skip: no, slice an onion thin, put it in a bowl, pour sugar over it and let the juice come out the bottom of it. That's your cough syrup.

Karra: actually what you might want to do is to do the onion, I think it's the same way you're thinking of a but slightly different arrangement.

Skip: go ahead.

Karra: onion, the sugar and compress it.

Skip: oh okay.

Karra: and drain off the juice.

Skip: okay but I've always done it just let it set itself and let it juice down by itself, I've never compressed it.

Karra: yes, to compress it will speed up the process.

Skip: yes, it would.

Karra: and then mix that with some honey for soothing and lubrication.

Skip: okay.

Laura: sounds good.

Karra: okay also garlic, garlic into the combination.

Skip: the oil of garlic or the.....?

Karra: yeah, the oil of garlic.

Skip: okay, not the cloves.

Karra: no, well you want the cloves but you want to drain off and compress and compress and compress.

Skip: and get the oil from it.

Karra: correct. Okay, Leonedies said that I am a healer, that's correct. I'm here to answer any questions you may wish about healing, I am taking my mind off the ambassadorial duties completely for tonight.

Skip: okay darling, can I ask a question about natural....

Karra: I would be delighted to.

Skip: derivative in our systems that we are lacking.

Karra: okay.

Skip: that's MSM.

Karra: MSM, I'm not familiar with that.

Skip: methyl sulfate methane I think it is.

Karra: methane?

Skip: that's the way it's spelled.

Karra: okay.

Skip: M.E.T.H.A.N..

Karra: you are right, the English alphabet is a little bit strange to me. Ahh anyway...

Skip: it's supposed to put sulfur back into each cell of our body.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: we were getting it through plants and milk before they started using artificial fertilizers and homogenizing milk.

Karra: uh-huh, it's part of the natural system of development. Sulfur is a very interesting compound. On its own in a raw form it is highly poisonous and will kill you but in correct combination with other chemicals it distills....what's the word? Where you water something down. Anyway, it gets watered down with other chemical compounds and everything, it becomes a very useful one.

Russ: dilute?

Karra: diluted, thank you. However, straight on its own it is highly poisonous and will kill you but being diluted down with other chemicals and the interaction and the chemical reactions that happen with those compounds, it changes the structure from the normal sulfur that you'd get from volcanic activity into a sulfur that is much more beneficial and aids in such things as digestion, blood flow, thought processes, respiratories. In fact it affects the whole entire body in a myriad of different ways in different capacities interacting with the different structures of those organs that are involved. I think we discussed it a couple years ago actually.

Skip: hmmm.

Russ: I don't remember.

Skip: I don't remember it neither.

Russ: yeah go ahead and discuss it because I'm going to see if I have got any drops.

Karra: okay but what happens is, it actually strengthens your cell, the structure of the cell and benefits the flow of the holding capacity of the oxygen that the vessels carry. For example in blood which I was just mentioning, it speeds through the circulation so that there is more oxygen carried to the extremities so therefore it benefits the oxygenation of the blood. Another thing that it will do is because it is affecting the blood, it will affect the skin also. As a certain amount of oxygen is taken to the skin, so the skin will become clearer and smoother. Again the same thing happens with chondroitin which ends up in your hair here and aids also in the regeneration of tissue. Okay let's answer questions.

Skip: yeah that answered the question for me just fine.

Karra: oh, I was hoping to bring up more questions.

Skip: no, from what I understand from all the information that I've been able to research, it was developed for arthritis, bursitis and it's been used in this 3-D world for many, many, many, many years in the treatment of domestic and animals and racehorses and so on and so forth to reduce the arthritis in their joints and so on and so forth.

Karra: and before I go any further I must apologize for my sister and her choice comments....

Skip: no problem.

Karra: not the ones in English.

Skip: (chuckles) no problem, don't worry about it honey.

Karra: she is feeling rather full of herself tonight so I apologize for what she said. I am not going to translate as some of the comments were a little crude.

Skip: ahhh well, we all get that way sometimes.

Karra: yes, I will talk with her in a little while about her manners.

Skip: go ahead, I've asked my question, got a good answer on it.

Russ: oh, on that group that we were researching on the computer?

Karra: yes.

Russ: now that's only a guess that that's the group that was being referred to.

Karra: as I said at the time, it looks good.

Russ: yeah, it looks promising.

Karra: but looking good and being the actual thing can be two totally different things. That's part of the reason why I really didn't want to tell Omal until we were certain.

Russ: well, they look a little vague, that's the only problem is the wording that they're using.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: is kind of a cross between the Zeta and the Arcturians.

Karra: uh-huh. It does, it does sound like that, it had the unemotional tones.

Russ: but yeah almost.......yeah kind of political almost.

Karra: yes, more political correctness than was necessary in my opinion. Not wanting to upset one or the other.

Russ: right, then they were working strictly as you know, "as we're progressing towards the fifth dimension".

Karra: which again has been stated many times, not by myself, but by others here.......

Russ: correct.

Karra: is for ease of understanding.

Russ: right. So we'll see how that goes. I'll do some more research on it though and see if I can throw something up for Omal.

Karra: okay, let's answer some more questions.

Russ: ahhh, Mary Poppins.

Karra: yes? What about Mary Poppins? I told you not to call me that out of the bedroom.

Russ: isn't that an exercise in fifth dimensional physics?

Karra: yes, I would say it definitely is.

Russ: I would say so too. It's a good lesson on fifth dimension.

Karra: yes, the bag.

Russ: yeah.

Laura: kind of like Felix the Cat's bag.

Karra: yes.

Russ: yes, absolutely.

Karra: okay you can say yes next time and I'll go the next time after that, how's that sound?

Russ: there you go, we'll figure it out.

Karra: okay getting back to your throat condition. Okay, what we're going to do is we're going to do two batches. One batch that will be for you do drink as soon as it's ready and the other one to be put in the freezer no the refrigerator so that it chills but does not get solid. The one that goes into the refrigerator is the one that is going to clean it up nicely. The one that will be drunk as soon as it's ready is kind of a temporary patch.

Laura: that being?

Karra: that being the garlic, the onion and the sugar.

Laura: oh the syrup?

Karra: yeah the syrup but the one that is in the refrigerator, or will be put into the refrigerator, is the one that is going to soothe. It's going to make it feel all better and it's going to actually do the finishing deed in making it feel better

Laura: question.

Karra: uh-huh.

Laura: do you sense that this is a bacterial infection or is it more something that would be......

Karra: it's a number of things.

Laura: where it's aggravated in part by my......

Karra: it's quite a few things. One is that you've been doing a lot of talking and you've got weakened vocal cords because of your condition, one is to do with stress and one is a bacterial infection due to particulate matter in the air.

Laura: and stress is reducing the ability of aiding the system.

Karra: that's correct. See, it's a whole chain affect. If you didn't have the stress, you would have the throat problem in the lower esophageal tract but it wouldn't be as acute because the healing process would work in its normal manner due to the fact that it wouldn't be suppressed by stress. The particulate matter which is part of the irritation has been removed however there is a little bit of particulate matter that appears from time to time which is to do with being in proximity to a combustible source, fire in other words but that in itself is not so much of a contributing factor, it is just an irritation that makes it worse.

Laura: okay, I see.

Karra: uh-huh, so with the esophageal problem, the syrup will act as a coating in a soothing capacity.

Laura: I'll do that.

Karra: Ganja right? (one of the house cats)

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: Okay. Okay let's open up the floor for a little bit more meandering discussions. How much time do we have left on the recorder?

Russ: we've got 13 minutes and 25 seconds.

Karra: ohhh we have a stopwatch on it today do we? Okay, what we can do is, maybe not. Might be not a good idea to wake him up again.

Russ: okay.

Karra: yes, Treebeard is....

Russ: sound asleep.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: no problem.

Karra: we may have to rearrange the scheduling a little bit because it seems if we put him on early on he's wide-awake but if we let them go to the second side of the recorder then he's out like a light.

Russ: no problem.

Karra: (sighs) uh-huh okay, what else is to be discussed?

Russ: return of my trip from Diego.

Karra: oh yes.

Russ: should have some funds to work with as far as working on preparing for the future.

Karra: definitely, definitely.

Russ: okay, so on the order of priorities.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: we need to work on....let me get this straight, a stove for the fireplace.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: to set up so you can cook on it but also give heat to the house.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now the question I have for you was on the water purification wise.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: we're thinking on some kind of storage unit.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: is that still an optional thing that we can work with?

Karra: I'm having difficulty with some of your ideas for storage vessels. One of the things that is very important is that no air gets into the storage vessel because that's when the chemical reaction happens and you get stagnant. If it's a sealed unit that's totally sealed with no air that got in, that will work but some of the ideas that we've had as I said at the time they're a little weak to work with.

Skip: you mean for the storage of water?

Karra: uh-huh, got to be totally airtight with no air in them whatsoever.

Skip: well darling, question.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: are you familiar with what the military developed years ago and they call them halazone tablets?

Karra: not my department I'm afraid. Sounds like some kind of engineering problem.

Skip: no, it's a tablet you drop in water and it purifies the water.......

Karra: oh.

Skip: okay? It's a chemical but I believe the basis of it is chlorine.

Karra: oh Tisk.

Skip: so it purifies any water so you can drink it.

Karra: sounds like Tisk.

Skip: sounds like what?

Karra: it's a capsule that we pour into water that purifies it when we're in the field.

Skip: yeah well that's what these were developed for is in the field.

Russ: what's the harmful effects to the body, side effects wise?

Skip: halazone? Not one, not one.

Laura: I believe what it is...

Skip: I'm sorry.

Laura: sorry, I believe what is that you're discussing is based in chlorine bleach that we commonly use but what it does is adds an extra molecule or two, I believe it's two of oxygen and prevents germ growth, bacterial growth.

Karra: yeah, very similar to what ours does. Tisk is a little powder that you pour into vats of water. It's only a tiny, little amount that you pour in and it distributes between the molecules of the water and I'm not quite sure of the chemical reaction, I slept through that in class.

Skip: may I interrupt you just a little bit darling?

Karra: yeah sure,

Karra: the halazone tablets that we got issued in the service is about the same size of an aspirin for a canteen of water. You just dropped it in. You could take water out of a stagnant pool and drop in a halazone tablet and drink it. Of course it tasted like *%^# but you could drink it and it wouldn't hurt you.

Laura: it's an ozone oxygenator I believe.

Russ: so no moss or algae or anything forms period?

Skip: none.

Russ: so what kind of container would be the best for that, steel, ceramic, wood?

Skip: I would say steel, plastic lined.

Karra: yeah, yeah, that would work.

Skip: because steel is not going to....plastic breaths. I don't care what it is, plastic breaths okay? And if it breaths, that means you're allowing air from the outside in and your algae can grow. Steel can't breathe but by lining it with plastic, even if you put a plastic bag inside of it, once you seal it, it's sealed, nothings going to get in.

Karra: and that's very, very important. That's what's been giving me the big concerns. Skip's given us the keys.

Skip: I'm sorry?

Karra: you've given us the keys that we need.

Skip: okay.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: I would suggest, now this is just a suggestion, I would suggest open top drums that the lid has got a rubber seal and when you put it down and put the band around it it seals airtight.

Karra: in fact, the best way would be to fill it so that it reaches the point where it's actually overflowing when you put it on.

Skip: yeah and it squishes the water out when you put the lid on.

Karra: yeah, which means the air is not getting trapped.

Skip: there you go.

Russ: that would work, excellent.

Karra: yeah, because that's my biggest concern is the air getting in there and the chemical reaction that can occur.

Skip: and once you open them, you go through 55 gallons of water in very short time. Because......okay I'll tell you, let me give you a for instance. In my camping trailer, I've got two 30 gallon tanks in there that I can fill with water. They run out before the week runs out. So that's actually over 60 gallons of water we use in a week's time.

Russ: but what are using it for, drinking, washing dishes, showers?

Skip: no we don't shower, we don't shower. It flushes the pot, doing dishes which done once every two days, drinking and cooking with it and that's it.

Russ: good.

Skip: so that gives you kind of a rule of thumb to work with. Am I right or wrong darling?

Karra: you sound right. (to Laura) Take a deep breath, go...does that feel a little better?

Laura: yes.

Karra: I thought so.

Russ: okay another thing we're working on is a generator.

Karra: generator, you'll have to ask Kiri about that as long as she can keep from strangling Daniel at the moment.

Russ: okay.

(Skip laughs)

Laura: where's the petrol going to come from for the generator?

Russ: storing.

Karra: got some problems there.

Laura: gasoline's unstable.

Russ: how about diesel?

Skip: okay, your new gasoline's you don't have problems storing it, there is no lacquers in it, there's no lead in it. Unleaded gasoline is clear and you can use it in gas stoves, you can use in lanterns, you can use it in engines, it's what we used call white gas when I was a kid because there was no lead in it. Now they've taken the lead out of gasoline, gasoline will store for up to about five years without varnishes.

Russ: excellent, that'll work fine.

Skip: yeah and if you want to store it longer than that, there is a chemical that you can pour in it that the varnishes will never form.

Laura: yeah stabilizers.

Russ: okay, I think five years would be more than adequate though.

Skip: oh yes definitely. Well you can store....well stop and figure out Russ, people store snowblowers over the summer and fire them up in the winter.

Karra: and boats over the winter and fire them up in the summer.

Skip: that's correct, lawnmowers and gasoline doesn't form any varnishes anymore.

Russ: okay good.

Skip: the lead was what was building the varnish.

Russ: well thank you Karra.

Karra: no problem, no problem. I've done my point for little bit.

Skip: thank you darling.

Karra: oh you're welcome, you're welcome.

Skip: the reason I was giggling a little earlier about that gentleman being on the wrong side of pushing things and for her to be nice, I was laughing about a situation in my own personal life okay?

Karra: oh I didn't even even hear you start laughing. I'm talking and watching Kiri get a little irked and upset concerning the bamboo. This is going to be interesting to watch explained away.

Skip: they've always got an excuse.

Karra: yes. An image that springs to mind is young Georgie Washington with his axe and the apple tree or the cherry tree.

Skip: yeah the cherry tree.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I cannot tell a lie.

Karra: you wanna bet?

Skip: (laughs)

Karra: okay, let's open the floor up to as they say relaxed format according to Omal tonight. Let's open the floor up.

Skip: sure.

Russ: hey what about the new "Star Wars" movie?

Karra: I don't think it's going to be as good.

Skip: doesn't it have some more stuff in it than the original?

Russ: a little more computer animated stuff.

Karra: yeah but I think that may be overkill.

Russ: but the emphasis is going to be more on the Jedi factor this time than it has been in previous.

Skip: why are they doing this, why are they remaking it and re-issuing it?

Laura: there's nine parts to the story.

Russ: yeah, there's three trilogies. This is the first part of the trilogy, we saw the middle part already. So we're going to the very front part of the story, well before the other one took place.

Skip: I didn't know that.

Laura: yeah, it all began in the middle three.

Russ: yeah we saw four, five and six was "Return of the Jedi" and all that stuff. What we're seeing now is episodes one, two and three.

Skip: oh for crying out loud.

Russ: yeah.

Laura: it's interesting in what.......I kind of heard the inside scoop when it's first started being filmed is that it's based upon the light and the dark entirely what it's about. Bottom line is the force, then there is the light side, the dark side, there is greed and compassion.

Skip: okay, all right.

Russ: so this should have a good interesting fact on the earth right?

Karra: uh-huh, I'm hoping but I think that the special-effects are going to override a lot of the...

Skip: story?

Karra: yeah, story.

Skip: yeah could be, could be.

Karra: yeah, because I mean it's going to be the first movie that has the intense computer generated effects and I mean they're going to be intense. From what I speculate and from what I've seen with the aid of Russ, it's going to definitely overwhelm.

Laura: well at the time in '77, did "Star Wars" for what it did with the first movie, did it not overwhelm the audiences but still it's led to years and years of discussion?

Karra: yeah I think you're very correct there that it will lead to years and years of discussion.....

Laura: on the philosophical level.

Karra: yes, you are correct but the initial impact I think will be overwhelming. It took a long time for the actual story and the philosophical side of "Star Wars" to actually sink in. It took I should say at least 10 years for it to really sink in of what happened before they started discussing, "well what did they mean when they talk about the force? What is the force?" There was a light discussion but in this case I think because it already exists, that people may go, "oh, well we've already discussed that", it may not increase the awareness for a while. Everybody's going to be looking at the special-effects and saying, "how did they do that? Why did they do that? What does that explosion and how do they intertwine it with the story?" That's going to be the first reaction before people sit down and later on say with their kids, "oh, well when I went and saw that in '99". (an alarm goes off) Is somebody getting paged?

Russ: no, that means the tape's getting low.

Karra: oh, but yeah it's going to take some time for it to sink in on what actually happened, what is actually trying to be said.

Russ: hmmm, now is it possible that there will be more of an emphasis on the force itself though? People asking themselves which side of the force am I on?

Karra: no, I don't see that immediately.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: I see people being overwhelmed by the special-effects as they were, as Laura quite rightly pointed out back in 1977 when it first appeared in the "Star Wars" trilogy. I think the special effects to draw a crowd is going to be the key factor. They expect from "Star Wars" bigger and better. We had....was it last year the release of the enhanced version?

Skip: I think it was or two years ago.

Karra: yeah and this is coming close on the heels and they've already seen what the special-effects are going to be so to improve on that what have they got to do? They've got to do better, bigger and brighter and louder and sharper and more dramatic which means that it's going to overwhelm it.

Skip: and a better storyline.

Karra: storyline may not be as important as the special-effects as they want. Yes I am very much like my sister sometimes.

Russ: it's interesting with Kosovo and everything going on......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: is people are going to be able to relate more to that movie now than they could of in prior times.

Laura: I think the overall consciousness at this point are people is going to see this, there is also a seeking for more meaning to life itself in a way with the millennium approaching to use a cliche, rather then in '77 it was very much a me oriented decade.

Russ: that's true, that's a good point.

Karra: uh-hmm, I think so too.

Laura: so I think it will be going to be split down the center for right now.

Karra: this is going to be entertaining because I know that Laura probably hasn't been picked up that clearly on the recording.

Russ: yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Well I'll stretch my imagination out.

Laura: a very faint voice.

Karra: yes very faint. (whispers) We'll whisper very quietly. As Tia might say, "be very, very…..".

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