THE PRIME DIRECTIVE- Channeled 11/05/97
Archivist Notes: This session took place
nearly two years from the last time we had
talked to Carrie who was now pregnant with her
daughter. We had done a question and answer
session in on on-line forum where the girls
had answered questions sent in from the
participants. The session opened up with Kiri
discussing Skip's future guide who hadn't
passed on yet. We also find out through Omal
that Ashtar Command follows the prime
directive much as they do on Star Trek.
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(Kiri comes on)
gone out of remission, way out of remission. He's
probably....our estimates of six months to a
year.....our estimates of six months to a year looks
like it could be three months to six months. The cancer
has progressed further and faster than we expected which
makes me think that it was a very, very heavy dose of
radiation, very heavy dose. Apparently he's
been fighting this for about three years. Okay, now in
this current life that he is living he does not know Skip
in past lives he has. All right, in his deep states where
he has been put into deep levels of sleep, that's when we
can communicate with him so it's 3 to 6 months.
Skip's mother is going to stay during the interim period
when he arrives to start which will be six months...no, it
will be 3 to 6 months after he dies. So there will be a
period of three months where Skip will have two guides,
both his mother and this guy. They will work hopefully
and grandmother has been communicating
with both of them and she says that they will work
together as a team. Grandmother also said that.....this
is because she hasn't been very well just recently but
she's getting better......but she also said that if she
dies, she's going to become Skip's guide also. But she's
getting better, she just had a mild case of stomach upset.
Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?
Russ: how's Mother Superior doing?
Kiri: she's probably got maybe a month or two. She's
getting worse but there again when you're her
know 800 plus years is pretty, pretty good
going if you ask me. I mean she's what, 890?
Russ: well if it works out to ours, like 80 years you're
Kiri: uh-huh but she's what is it I think 870, 880 I
really don't know, she doesn't really know either. I
mean she's from what grandmother has told me, she spends a
lot of time with her head going.....you know nodding so
she's starting to get the shakes of later life. I mean
she's not losing her faculties or anything, she's just got
the shakes which is normally a sign that she's
getting there. She spends a lot of time in deep trances.
Russ: working on the engineering front.
Russ: Tia was giving some good stuff about the ships
yesterday. (During the online channeling
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.
Russ: particularly about how they hide from view.
Russ: but I didn't really....she was kind of working quick
and I didn't really get a full idea of what she was saying
about how it is that you know they can shield...how
did she put it? Cloak themselves, not like a Star Trek
cloak she said, but a different way. She didn't explain
the different way or nothing, she just said that they can
Kiri: okay how it works is that when the ship is using the
gravitational field that they use right? What in actual
fact it does is......it doesn't bend the gravity, it bends
the energy field. For example, when you look at something
vibrating right? It gets fuzzy doesn't it?
Kiri: what happens is, the air around it gets vibrated
right? And it gets fuzzy and the faster the vibration
fuzzier it gets. Which makes it look like a cloud. But if
you take that the next step and accelerate the vibration
on a bigger scale instead of just an area of maybe 30 feet
around the vessel and expand it to 60 feet around the
vessel right? You can increase the vibrational frequency
closer to the vessel. By increasing the vibrational
frequency closer to the vessel right? You vibrate the air
and the molecules and all the the dust particles and
everything and that creates a haze right? It's not a
cloud, it's a haze. By decreasing the distance of the
vibrational field, out to 60 feet means that you have more
molecules to vibrate right? And you go on a scale where at
the outside, the molecules are hardly vibrating.
Kiri: they vibrate very slowly and then you work your
way closer to where they're vibrating at a higher
frequency. This makes it invisible.
Kiri: didn't you just throw that one out? (A cat comes in)
John: yeah it's just going to run around and going right
back in through the garage.
Kiri: want to take care of the garage?
Russ: yup I got it.
Kiri: okay so, by increasing the vibrational frequency,
you therefore make the ship appear to be invisible. It's
not, it just appears to be.
Kiri: do you have a question, you look like you're
John: yeah there was one time where I swore I saw a ship
but I mean it took a long time of focusing on the same
area and but I never got a real clear view of it but I'm
just wondering if there's anything that our third
dimensional mind can do to compensate for these vibrations
if we're looking for them?
Kiri: yes and no, you can look for fields or areas of
Kiri: where things look a little bit fuzzy. A patch of sky
that is a bit hazy.
John: right okay.
Kiri: that is normally a key sign that you look up at a
clear sky and there is a fuzzy patch.
Russ: well Bell said that he could meditate and see the
ships through the shields.
Kiri: he's doing that because he is...
Russ: raising his vibrations?
Kiri: yeah, he is sensing the vibrations of where
they are. He's not actually seeing the physical ships, he
seeing the vibrational field that they're generating.
Russ: so you can do that?
Kiri: yeah. From what I read, Tia was close to mark on
most of it, she had been prepped and
was going from memory. There are third dimensional ships
only that do work on the same principle of using the
vibrational frequency. Now I can't tell you what the
vibrational frequency is....
Kiri: for obvious reasons......ummm come
here...(Talking to the cat)...he's been overruled. Is
your food finished there Johnny?
John: it will be if.......
Kiri: if he gets hold of it.
John: if he gets hold of it.
Kiri: okay so the vibrational frequency is the key. Find
out with that frequency is and you too can create an
Russ: hmm okay, so when it's going across a cloud...or
going across the sky, you don't see like this haze going
"whoosh" like that do you?
Kiri: sometimes it's too fast.
Russ: oh I see.
what about the two weeks ago, the particular object that
came back into the atmosphere, the meteor quote unquote.
Kiri: you might not want him up there. (speaking at John.)
Russ: that came into the atmosphere and then popped back
out again and then came back in again. Sounds a little too
trippy for me. I was watching videos of it and it looks
like lots of like almost a firework going off only
straight down where like it broke up into a lot of little
Kiri: I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that, I
am not that involved with Tia.....Tia...with that part of
the base that you're suggesting. Tia is more involved with
that than I am.
Kiri: isn't that cute?
Russ: that is cute, I wish had a video now.
Kiri: okay more questions.
Russ: yeah, any idea yet why the chat went down?
Kiri: I think he's using an Amiga.
Russ: well that would explain it, yes.
Kiri: but they are talking about moving it to a site
further away. I get the feeling that.....
Russ: site in the USA?
Kiri: yeah. Carrie's doing fine.
Kiri: yeah the thing is humor, she needs a lot of
Russ: I always try to do my part.
now, Carrie's present from us. We're going to get Mark to
photocopy that picture, send that to her. Is there any way
you can get the background removed?
Russ: scan it into a Printshop, PhotoPaint shop and you
just edit the picture anyway you want.
Kiri: okay, could you reproduce that on your computer
perfectly like that?
Russ: if I had a scanner yeah.
Kiri: okay so if somebody was to send it to you right?
Kiri: you could then clean it up and send it to her.
Russ: sure, if it's in GIF format, I'd have no problem
with it...or JPEG sorry.
Kiri: JPEG. Okay....we can....your friend Jack is coming
back, he has the ability to scan right?
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: okay what you do is scan it in and then filter out
everything apart from the background, put
it on a white background. Can you change the hair
Russ: oh yeah, I can do anything you want.
Kiri: okay, do the hair coloring in my natural coloring
Russ: which is strawberry blonde?
Kiri: yes, that is my natural coloring.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: it's not as red as Tia's, it's more of a blonde,
more blonde than strawberry blonde.
Russ: I know, especially when the sunlight hits it just
Kiri: that is my natural coloring. Just
the fact that I'm totally redheaded at the moment is
besides the point.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: huh-hmm, okay so......alright
I'm going to to put the next person on.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: as I've taken up way too much time.
Russ: well not really, because we just started the tape.
Russ: I'll see you here in a little while.
(Tia is now the speaker)
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hi. Okay, yes, what?
Russ: oh, good session last night darling.
Tia: oh thank you, I worked hard on that.
Russ: I thought you did a very good job actually.
Kiri: it was easy but hard.
Russ: well of course.
Tia: what was with Boris Diffle?
Tia: what does that mean?
Russ: I don't know.
Russ: actually, you could say it is Boistifeed.
Russ: and he's basically a skeptic.
Tia: well skeptic is good.
Russ: I agree, he wanted to know.
Russ: without actually you know trying to think of
the answer but have the answer given to him.
Tia: oh he's one of those people.
Tia: I can think of....
Russ: he wants it gift wrapped.
Tia: yeah, he doesn't want to have to
go to the thought process. I thought where I mentioned
learning was a good enough hint for him to understand.
Russ: well that's a turnoff for him.
Tia: oh, he's definitely one of those people that does not
want to learn.
Tia: whereas "OP", does want to learn and wants not to be
led step-by-step but but given the pointers.
Russ: right, as does Bell.
Russ: he did a lot of work I guess....what was that with
Ashtar Command thing you asked him?
Tia: Bell is a person that......that's not Bell's
real name obviously, it's her handle but it's part of
her Hades Base name, that they had on Hades
Tia: umm before they died.
Russ: a recent.....or a past life?
Russ: one prior to this?
Tia: probably a little further back than that actually,
I'm not too sure.
Russ: and how were they recognized?
Tia: by their wording.
Russ: they use particular wording?
Tia: yeah, their construction of sentences and things. We
run things through the computer and it recognizes patterns
and stuff. For example, when Mark writes or you write,
there is a particular pattern which is recognizable from
Russ: Maxxus and Naxxus? (A past life in Atlantis when
Mark and I were brothers coming from Sirius)
Tia: uh-huh. And we can trace it all the way back if we
have copies of writing...that's why....
Russ: to Sirius?
Tia: yeah. That's why we access through the computer. The
computer analyzes this information, looks for a specific
pattern right? If there is a pattern that is tagged, it
will then be sent to Sirius where it is processed and
Russ: what about that question from Boisedied about, "what
do you need computers for then?" Now you've got millions
of bytes of information going through every second.....
Tia: yes but that was
self-explanatory, I did not even answer that.
Russ: I answered it.
Tia: yes but I did not, I saw it and went "phew", that
does not need an answer. I think he is one of those people
that thinks he is smart but is not.
Russ: he thinks he's got all the answers.
Tia: yeah, a person that thinks that Star Trek is the
end-all and be-all of everything....I mean that is so far
off, it's ridiculous.
Russ: well not all the way off.
Tia: no, the engine propulsion system apparently is
possible but the rest of it, some of theories that they
come up with are so wacky and far off it's totally
implausible. And he seems to take that as the theories
that they discuss are plausible, half the time they're
not. Matter transference for example, that is very, very
dangerous. It does work, but not as reliable as they show
on Star Trek. The fear that the older doctor (McCoy) has
of matter transference beams is a common fear with
races that do use matter transference and it's not just a
few individuals, it's a lot of them. For example, ripping
somebody down and reassembling them, it only works if you
have one person.
Russ: oh I'm sure there's lots of horror stories of people
it didn't work on.
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: that would scare the bejesus out of me to go through
one of those things.
Tia: well there is a song that I picked up from a third
dimensional monitoring that one day four people went out
to a party and this song is always sung by a man right? He
went out with his girlfriend, his best friend and his best
friend's girlfriend. And they all went through a matter
transference beam and now he's pregnant.
Tia: I actually couldn't add up, it was a race that has
evolved much further than they were when I picked it up.
When I picked it up it was something that was broadcast
like on your radio waves.
Russ: huh, poor guy.
Tia: it's a song.
John: yeah it's a Cars...I think it is a Cars song if I'm
Russ: no it's a different race, not this planet.
John: oh a different race.
Russ: a different planet.
Tia: well if my memory is right, the gist is that his body
got ripped down to be projected through a matter
transference beam with his girlfriend right next to him.
They went through it and she has a penis and he has a
Russ: I don't think the Cars ever wrote anything like
John: no, no. I was thinking of something else.
Tia: and what was it? His best friend has breasts, a penis
and very feminine legs and his girlfriend has to
shave her legs everyday.......
Russ: scary thought.
Tia: and is flat-chested. But it's a song.
Russ: yeah of course, it's not fact.
Russ: a joke.
Tia: I think it was written as a anti-matter
Russ: all right.
Tia: no more? Okay.
Russ: not yet, I have something I've saved for Omal
(Omal starts to channel)
Omal: greetings and felicitations, you
Russ: greetings Omal, we did in fact.
Omal: okay, let us proceed.
Russ: this is a tale of two....what were those things up
there? Suburbans, a tale of two suburbans. (A pair of
matching vehicles that parked outside during the
chat the night before.)
Russ: now are we being a little bit overcautious here?
Omal: I believe so.
Russ: I think they're just vacationing folks that come up
on a weekend.
Omal: yes, it is suspicious as was stated at the time.
Omal: but, the reaction time is a little bit too quick.
However, like the power outage, it is a good test is it
Russ: it is. Well what interested me was the fact that we
hadn't been really looking or paying attention in that
direction until just all of a sudden it's like, "well wait
a minute, maybe it might be a good idea to check." And
then that appears.
Russ: so we don't know you know, we haven't been following
if they've been there a lot, if they have been there just
the first time, or what. It's something we ought.....a
lesson for us to learn that we should be more attentive to
those situations around us.
Omal: I believe Mark often talks about situation
Omal: yes. It is something that all of you should do.
Russ: sure. And you know it's something that in the future
could be very important, maybe not right now, but it is
Omal: yes. I think Tia put it very well in believe nothing
if you cannot corroborate it.
Omal: it is better to burn your hand instead of your body.
Russ: uh-huh. Well nothing we've been
doing even with the Jason Society and MJ12 going on the
net, is enough to get us noticed. (Web research we had
been doing at the time.)
Omal: you are small fry for them at this time.
Russ: at this time.
Omal: although the small fry if it was caught would turn
out to be a mighty big fish.
Russ: this is true.
Omal: but behaving in a small way makes them overlook you.
Russ: well we're not going to put any big neon signs out
there anyway saying "look, here we are".
Omal: no. If you do, I suggest doing it in red and saying
"this is the place".
Russ: I'll just paint a big target on the roof.
Omal: very droll, in neon?
Russ: in neon, yes.
Russ: all right. Johnny, do you got anything?
John: not right offhand. You got anything else you want to
John: go ahead.
Russ: I have a few things. Okay, now last night we were
working with a few different people. Some were very open
towards what's being said and some weren't. Now for
example, the one person I'm working with on the net called
Iris in dealing with the Zeta talk.
Russ: has now got a bit of a different point of view on
Zeta talk compared to Ashtar Command.
Omal: okay what is necessary to do is to explain the
difference between us as a base, a research base and the
blue guys. (The base's combat pilots.)
Russ: so that's what Tia meant by the problem with the Grays,
is not with Ashtar Command, it's with the blue guys.
Omal: correct. It is a long-running rivalry, the fact that
our pilots see themselves as protectors. Wherever they go,
they are to protect the race that they protect. For
example your race against anybody that tries to abduct
any race that they perceive as a threat. For example, they
do not worry about the Pelladians, they are not a threat.
Omal: so when our pilots perceive a threat, they analyze
and watch and wait for evidence. You cannot let some ships
go because there are some good and some bad.
Russ: well the argument we're currently in......or I
shouldn't say argument, debate that we're currently in, is
whether there are good Grays and bad Grays
or all bad Grays? Now of course you know my point in this.
Omal: yes and I do understand where you are coming from.
Russ: correct but I've kind of run out of arguments
at this point and I'm kind of having to just you know say,
"well we'll work on this as we go." Ashtar Command......in
fact Ashtar himself has said there are no good Grays.
Omal: Ashtar did not say that.
Russ: oh right, you said that.
Omal: correct. I am also tinted by the same view that you
Russ: correct so......
Omal: she is a very lovable young lady. If I was not so
old and of such different race, my heart would cry for
Omal: the fact that I have seen it before and will
probably see it again hardens my heart. I am sad that I
do not have that much pity. I have understanding and
compassion but the pity is no longer there, it
has been taken out of me. That is why I am so hard on the
due to the fact that they have taken my pity away.
Russ: right. But is it possible we're both looking at
this in a very biased opinion or do we have facts that we
can back it up with?
Omal: I would not say looking at it possibly from a biased
point of view, we are biased.
Russ: I agree.
Omal: but we also have the facts.
Russ: okay and that's why I need to look closer into this.
Omal: okay, cattle mutilations.
Russ: right, is that a bad thing or a necessary thing?
Omal: ummm, define necessary.
Russ: for their survival.
Omal: no, there are other ways of getting that kind of
Omal: you do not have to dissect and remove
sexual organs from cattle.
Russ: glands, yeah that's what we've heard though so
that's why I have to look at it from that point of view.
All right, human abductions, are they necessary or just
experiments that could be done by other......?
Omal: experimental.....other means and more
Russ: for example, if you had a hologram of a person,
could you do the same experiments without having to use a
Omal: yes, very much so. Even your technology can do that.
Russ: why are they so advanced yet so far behind then?
Omal: because they have reached the point now where they
have said "okay we have done enough with the computer
models, let's see how it actually reacts to an environment
or the environmental factors."
Russ: so that means they are maintaining surveillance of
their past experiments.
Russ: so you can monitor their past experiments by where
their surveillance is?
Omal: where there is a high concentration of abductions
and vessels, then they are monitoring or coming back to an
experiment that is currently running to check on it.
Russ: so what happens if Hades Base ships suddenly decided
to break up the party?
Omal: we do not mind them monitoring experiments that are
running, we do mind when they start new ones.
Russ: well I have a problem with that. If Hades Base will
not stop the monitoring, then doesn't that show that
they've got a go-ahead to go on with these things?
Omal: it falls into our non-interference unfortunately.
Russ: ohhh, I have troubles there I'm afraid.
Omal: yes, it is a very, very fine line between
interfering and not interfering. Experiments that
they have started running, we cannot interfere in those
lives unless they abduct them.
Omal: they can monitor, watch and learn
that way but as soon as they abduct, then they are
interfering and we have to interfere to stop them from
interfering. Where they attempt to start new genetic
programs running, again they are interfering because to
start those, they have to abduct the individuals. Once
they touch those individuals, they have interfered and
that must be stopped.
Russ: I suppose what I have a problem with is they
interfered in the first place to start the experiments
that they're monitoring so therefore the harm's already
Russ: therefore you should be able to walk right in and
Omal: interfere even more and make the situation possibly
Russ: yeah, you're right.
Omal: as much as I personally would like to say "okay,
let's get them off the planet, let's get these genetic
programs that are running stopped, create a situation
where it is washed out of the system and get things back
to normal. I would love to do that but I cannot because
that is interfering.
Omal: where we come in is to stop them from interfering
further. Unfortunately we are a limited number of
personnel and we cannot be everywhere.
Russ: now they have a...we were talking about the
base at Four Corners.
Russ: now why do they need ships to bother abducting, why
can't they just take them over the base and do all their
experiments right there on the base and monitor them right
on the base?
Omal: because due to the fact that a high desert area has
different properties then a low desert area and a low
desert area has different properties from a high alpine
area and so on.
Russ: oh I see.
Omal: the more environmental factors that you throw in,
the better the results are of an experiment.
Russ: do we know what the end result is that they are
Omal: we have our suspicions.
Russ: okay, and could we say then that this is for the
good of the human race?
Omal: that is undeterminable at this time.
Russ: okay. There is nothing we as humans can do to stop
Omal: no, not really. As much as one would like to think
Russ: well yeah we would like to think otherwise. Okay,
where do we go from here?
Omal: just watch and wait and try to intervene when they
try to start or abduct new individuals or old individuals.
Russ: wait a minute, we can interfere. We're third
dimensional beings, we have nothing that stops
us from interfering right?
Omal: next question please. I am deliberately not
answering that question because that is your own moral
Russ: oh I know, I know, I know, you can't advise us
one way or another.
Omal: correct, as much as I would love
to, I cannot. By me saying what you should or should not
do is interference.
Russ: it is a conundrum here.
Russ: okay understandable. I will leave that as just
wishful thinking anyway. All right on the subject of
Russ: we want to work with John's shield over here to
practice getting them up. Now he wasn't here for the
original shielding sessions in which we learned how to do
proper shielding and the different grades.
Omal: okay we can set that up for next week.
Russ: okay good.
Omal: now would not be a good time.
Russ: well no but I would like to set this up for a time
in the future.
Russ:: where we could do a dissertation or something that
he could learn from that.
Omal: correct and we will examine your shields hah, hah,
Russ: I look forward to it.
Omal: we will have somebody of talent to examine them.
Russ: you mean like last week?
Russ: okay. Now then on the Internet page, we have some
stuff from last week that I wanted to check real quick on
what we can and cannot put up on the web.
Omal: okay, let us hear this.
Russ: okay, first off all of Ashtar's section, I can put
that word-for-word on or should I edit?
Omal: let you and your as he put it "healer friend" edit.
Russ: healer friend, I thought that was a little bit light
Omal: and formal.
Russ: and we'll work on it.
Russ: okay, on your comments, go ahead and put everything
on except for...
Omal: pretty much so yes.
Russ: except for that point that dealt with the web
Russ: okay. And then I'm going to go ahead and start
working on Zetatalk and start pulling up articles related
to Ashtar Command and other things.
Russ: now how do you want to do the rebuttals for each of
Omal: we would like to read each one and rebut them and
work with you on the rebuttal.
Russ: okay so essentially what I'll do is I'll have like a
sheet of paper on all these Zetatalk's that I've
got right here, we'll work on them as we go.
Russ: all right so, Johnny do you got anything before we
get into anything more?
John: yeah I was just wondering if you knew how many Grays
were on our planet right now?
Omal: yes we do but we cannot disclose that.
John: you can't, you can't tell me that.
Omal: correct. Well I could but then I would have to
terminally hurt you.
John: well yeah, we're going to skip that.
Omal: okay, no smile? Johnny? No smile
for that comment? Oh well not to worry. I sometimes wonder
why I try your humor.
Russ: because it works.
Omal: point taken.
Russ: now then, we'll take the first one here.
Omal: okay, we will take just two this time.
Russ: just two? All right. ZetaTalk,
Atlantis. "The legends of Atlantis are not based on actual
fact but a combination of truths which have been combined,
give birth to the legend of Atlantis. The stories about
Atlantis which have never been found.....or which has
never been found are supported by myths of great cities
destroyed suddenly by rising water. Well that of course
happens extensively all over the world every time there is a
pole shift as we have explained. There were lands were
sunk under the sea in the Atlantic but they were no more
developed than Maouri lands at the time of the
last cataclysms. Stories of Atlantis notwithstanding. The
earth was visited by hominoid extraterrestrials in its
past and these hominoid's had access to technology that
amazed the primitive humans who stood witness. Many cities
in and around the European continent went under the waves
during the last few pole shifts. This is because the
Atlantic, as a widening ocean, tends to drag down the
shorelines and outlying islands during each shift. Before
the Atlantic drops pulling its perimeter with it,
beyond what has been told about the visitors from the 12th
planet, there is not to say about the rumors about
Omal: okay, let us first of all look at this fact that
they talk about the Atlantic Ocean widening and then they
talk about the coast sinking and there is a contradiction.
How can it widen and sink at the same time?
Russ: maybe because the waves wash over the coast as it
Omal: no. If you know anything about plate tectonics.
Russ: a little bit.
Omal: okay, down the center of the Atlantic is a trench
Omal: I'm not familiar with the name.
Russ: the Marianas trench. (Mid-Atlantic Ridge.)
Omal: okay. Now what is happening on the Marianas trench,
let me get the hands up to demonstrate is where the
fingers join is the trench right?
Omal: okay. What happens is you get a new piece of crust
coming up and it widens. Now, does it slip under as is
possibly suggested in one spot or does it sink back under
like this, one finger sliding under another?
Russ: well it said it slips under.
Omal: yes and no. One side it does, on the American side
it does. But if you look down through you will notice that
there is a ridge of mountains close to the coast of
Omal: okay, now when you have one plate pushing against
another, it crumbles pushing up mountains.
Omal: the material from the African side is not
subducting, it is pushing up and joining to make a
mountain range. Now if you get South America and put it
next to the African continent, they match pretty closely.
Russ: yeah, almost exactly.
Omal: now if supposedly there was subduction going on,
would not one or the other have changed beyond recognition
Russ: no, they would be basically like as you say, a
widening between the two continents.
Omal: exactly, so how can there be anything sinking
Russ: okay yeah, when you put it like that I certainly see
what you're talking about.
Omal: so their idea of the coastline sinking is baloney as
you would say.
Omal: okay let us look at the 12th planet.
Omal: well with their mathematics and the way they
describe things with such bad facts as been proven by our
plate tectonic explanation, there could be a 13th, 14th,
15th and 16th planet. Even a 17th or 18th planet. We
might as well go on for an infinite period of time
discussing how many possible planets there are. In fact
you could say that there are numerous planets that are
seen but when does a planet become a planet or a moon or
Russ: when it's drawn into the gravitational field of a
large solar body.
Omal: well what about the asteroid belt? You might as well
call each one of those a planet, some of them are quite
Omal: are they planets or are they just asteroids?
Russ: just asteroids.
Omal: there are many, many asteroids scattered throughout
your solar system. Hundreds, thousands, millions of them
ranging in size from this to hundreds of miles in size.
When do they become planets? When somebody says they are a
Omal: and that is the only difference. They talk about a
10th planet, let me take the biggest asteroid and call it
Omal world. The largest asteroid has now become a
planet because I said so, that is all that they're doing
is taking an asteroid and glorifying it.
Russ: huh, okay.
Omal: or let us change that for the tape and say that I
said Russ world.
Russ: I don't know, I like Omal world, little
rides going around with little Omals.
Omal: thank you. Okay, let us look at the next point,
Atlantis itself. They answer their own statement there.
They talk about aliens coming to visit and the early
Omal: now any scientific party would set up a station.
Have you not done this on Antarctica? It does not matter
location is, a scientific team will set up a
station. At first only temporary but on later
research and development, they may bring more equipment
for a longer stay and a longer stay still. With the life
expectancy of these visitors, they have might set up a
permanent town. Other people will come and join to help
them, support systems, colonists in fact. Now humanoid in
appearance individuals that are close enough to the
humanoids on the planet with necessary manipulation of
genes could create a place called Atlantis. In fact not
could, did. So therefore the theory that scientists
visiting and coming on a day trip is a little bit hard to
believe. Scientists as a rule will spend a time at a
location. You cannot formulate a concise opinion by
staying for a day, a week, a year or even five years. When
dealing with a civilization as they put it, primitive
civilization, then you have to spend time to understand
the interplay of the world. How the individuals react to
the environment in different climates. Did not the young
lady that was involved with the guerrillas spend 20 years
of her life before she was murdered with guerrillas trying
to understand them? (Dian
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: and still the information she gathered was just the
tip of the iceberg, just on one group. Would
it not be better to set up lots of different groups
analyzing and viewing at different places? If you read the
story of Gilgamesh, they talk about carpets of fire in the
sky. Is that not a reference to UFOs?
Russ: early UFO's sure.
Omal: the technology that is described, a nuclear war.
Would a primitive society have that kind of equipment? No,
definitely not. So again by addressing this idea they have
that Atlantis did not exist, this disproves their theory.
Atlantis did exist and still does.
Russ: now the one last statement they......
Omal: hold on.
reason why it still exists is because it is in
the minds of the populace, the
race memory. Your comment please.
Russ: well they said at the very end of this last part
about Atlantis. It said, "these visitors did not disappear
because they went under the waves, they disappeared
because they were put into quarantine."
Omal: well that in itself suggests that the civilization
that they call primitive was a little bit more advanced
than they just said. Contradiction right there.
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal begins to speak)
Russ: okay, last one for this
evening will be remote viewing.
Russ: okay. "Lest anyone be confused, what is termed
remote viewing is simply telepathy. A natural and fairly
common occurrence among mankind and animals who call the
earth their home. Telepathy is intrinsic to life but only
about 10% of the human population has enough native
capacity to take note of it. Those with native capacity
soon learn they can anticipate phone calls from friends,
anticipate and guard against personal attacks and seem to
intuitively understand what their loved ones need and
want. The government has never failed to use telepathy to
accomplish whatever they might consider their ends but
after observing the seamless way aliens could work
together without a word spoken, the issue got hot. As MJ12
was in those days heavily dominated by the CIA, they
took the topic and affected their goals, or the goals of
the operation with their own twist. Remote viewing under
the CIA's auspices was not done to simply garner
intelligence on legitimate government security concerns.
It was used to invade privacy, secure blackmail material,
assist break-ins and thefts, amuse agents who wanted to
snoop for personal reasons and keep tabs on rival
government agencies. When the operation failed to curtail
enemy actions due to complete lack of awareness of enemy
plans and failure to predict, it ostentatiously was shut
down. As with all bureaucracy enclaves, it sought to
perpetuate itself by reinventing its goals. Remote viewing
would become a handy disinformation tool, impressing the
public with what might seem to be an ability to read minds
and therefore spread disinformation as valid facts
garnered through telepathy. To ensure a gullible public
will believe, the remote viewing track record is supported
by information supplied by the CIA."
Omal: okay, there are too many contradictions in that to
many. Let us pick four key topics.
Omal: telepathy, telepathy is the exchange of information
from one mind to another. Actually on this point they are
close to the mark, there are a number of people on your
planet that do exchange information
telepathically. They are also able to hear and receive and
pick up the mind thoughts of other people. This is true
and correct. Okay, let us look on remote viewing, they
describe it as telepathy but viewing suggests using
vision. Vision suggests seeing, not reading people's
minds. Reading people's minds falls under the first
category of telepathy. Viewing is something totally
different. It is something that you do not do with your
ears but with your eyes. In this case you are using your
mind's eyes or your third eye to be able to view and see
what is going on. How can this, something that you do with
your eye or your mind's eye, be something that you do with
your mind's ears? This is very confusing and hard to
understand unless you look at it closer. By
making a statement that remote viewing is telepathy, is
designed to confuse, to smear and fudge the
issues so that it looks silly and hard to believe and
therefore is easily as they put it discarded. Remote
viewing is fact, a better way to describe
it is astral traveling or far sighting. As that suggests,
you see something from afar, you view it from afar, you
travel in your astral form. All things that you do without
using your mind's ears. Governmental agencies using these
abilities, sadly this does happen. It happens in such a
way that it can be almost kind of comical to watch. One
group snooping on the other group assuming the other group
does not have this ability and in actual fact it does. It
is very funny for the outside observer to watch. The silly
precautions they take in an almost paranoia fit to snoop
on the other party. The parties involved, the CIA, FBI and
various other rogue agencies, go through a regular song
and dance snooping at each other. What is even more funny
to watch is the KGB and other Soviet or former Soviet
organizations that go through the same routine as
well as trying to snoop on their counterparts in the US
and other countries that also run similar projects. This
is quite hilarious to watch from the outside and very
entertaining. Personally I prefer it more than watching
some of your entertainment devices on your communication
system. Lastly, disinformation given out in a confusing
form. My previous statement is designed to emphasize the
silliness of the wording in this situation. I worded it
in such a way that it is difficult to understand as an
example of how you can say very little by saying quite a
lot. To recover position three, basically what is
happening is that you have a number of organizations that
are aware that each organization has the ability. They
work together from time to time as a team but like to keep
tabs on each other by employing individuals that can
astral travel and individuals that can pick up on other
people's minds and transmit that information to a relay
individual. Thank you.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: did you enjoy that little silly commentary in part
Russ: that was very enjoyable.
Russ: it will read good on the webpage I can tell.
Omal: and you put it in your, I described it, you do not
put in the last bit underneath that bit. That comes later
because it is designed to make it, people will go, "huh?"
And then when they read that, they will understand what
Russ: yeah it will go in word for word.
Omal: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: okay Johnny, last question.
John: nothing at this point.
Omal: okay thank you. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
John: see you around dude.
Russ: that would be fun to watch from the outside.
John: yeah and that was.......
Kiri: he did
that very well.
John: quite interesting the way he analyzed how that went
Russ: I look forward to our weekly little sessions like
Kiri: yeah. I mean he did it in all seriousness with a lot
of humor involved.
Russ: straight from the base commander.
Kiri: uh-huh, I suppose you want me to put on your wife
Russ: my twin soul?
Kiri: twin soul, bond mate, wife.
Russ: my heart of hearts, my better half.
(Karra now takes over)
Karra: so I'm now an editor huh?
Russ: I don't know about the you know "my healer friend".
It's a little bit unspecific.
Karra: I think Ashtar at the time was quite busy.
yeah, that's true.
just wanted to whip through it as quickly as possible and
use whatever came to mind.
Russ: it's like, my healer friend, I'm trying to think of
who are my healer friends up there ummm.
Karra: you're married to one thank you. Okay, let us get
down to seriousness.
Russ: okay, Carrie.
Karra: so Carrie, yes what would you like to know about
Russ: all I got was the part a little bit about she's
smoking a bit or........?
Karra: yes but she's cutting back.
Russ: she is? Oh good.
Karra: uh-huh. We explained to her about cravings, some of
the bizarre cravings that she would go through. The fact
that she wants to make love but has no urge.
Karra: we told her that would come back, we explained to
her every bit in detail all the things that she is
going to go through. She is doing fine, she is a classic,
pregnant young lady.
Karra: there is nothing exceptional about her and nothing
negative going on. The baby is developing fine, it
is developing fingers, toes and feet. It hasn't got to the
point where you can read fingerprints or hear a regular
heartbeat although that is getting close. We have given
her a whole load of things to do that will make her closer
with the baby.
Russ: oh good.
Karra: at the moment the thoughts are random and
uncontrolled and therefore it is not a coherent thought
process. By week 12, it will start to develop thought
processes. By the time she is six
months pregnant, she will be able to communicate
telepathically. This is one of our teaching methods that
we use. The reason that the children up here have such a
bond with us parents is that we communicate telepathically
with them. This is going to have a twofold sword on what
we gave her to do. It will create a tighter link between
her and the baby and hopefully create a telepathic link
between mother and child later on.
Russ: now what about psychic skills while in womb?
Karra: they would develop like any other ability.
Karra: I believe Kiri covered all the abilities that the
baby will have a potential access to.
Russ: did she? Oh.
Russ: okay good, it's all on tape. Okay...
John: no, no Kiri's conversation wasn't taped.
Russ: oh that's right, it wasn't.
Karra: no and it is best that it wasn't.
Russ: okay, we'll leave it as such then.
Karra: yeah because that is between us and Carrie.
Russ: okay. Now what were you going to say before?
Russ: before we got into Carrie.
Karra: sorry, your erased my mind when you started me
thinking on Carrie.
Russ: oh I'm sorry darling.
Karra: that's all right.
Russ: it must be hard to do.
Karra: well actually it brought up things that were on the
lower levels that were on the back burner that now come to
the front burner.
Russ: okay. So humor, important from our point of view to
Russ: I can do that.
Karra: love and support.
Karra: yeah, tell her that she can call whenever she wants
somebody to talk to.
Karra: regardless of day or time, night whatever.
Because she will at times get a little bit unstable. That
is something you must understand and bear with. She may
phone up and be crying saying that Mike doesn't love her
etc. Mike does love her very much, otherwise he would not
have tolerated some of her behavior. Because she can throw
quite a temper tantrum.
Russ: well we'll tell her to call whenever she wants.
Russ: bill it to us or whatever.
Karra: yeah instead of screaming and shouting at Mike,
tell her she can call and scream and shout at you guys.
Russ: she would have more fun that way.
Karra: yes and besides, you know how to make her laugh.
Russ: of course. She can call me a butthead until her ears
turn blue, I don't mind.
Karra: well Mike loves her probably more than you will
Russ: I agree.
Karra: in fact I think that he worships the ground that
on and she's not aware of how much.....
Russ: well she will when the baby gets born.
Karra: yeah. I think Mike will be the one that will be
getting up and changing the diaper.
Russ: oh yeah absolutely.
Karra: I think he will absolutely adore his little child.
Spoil it rotten. And if anything, and this is something
that Carrie must be made aware of, after
the baby has been born and after she has gotten over her
postpartum depression is the hours that he will be working
will be a lot longer. This isn't because he doesn't love
Carrie and he wants to be away from the baby, it's because
he loves the baby and Carrie that he will work longer and
Russ: yeah to support them.
Karra: yeah to make life better for them.
Karra: he will probably give himself ulcers and
bend over backwards and hurt himself and carry on going as
if nothing is wrong. So Carrie will have to be very
careful not to step on his toes when he is busting as you
would say his gut to bring home the bread.
Russ: okay good.
Karra: but don't bring that up until after she's gotten
over the depression part.
Russ: right, I'll bring it up during the depression part.
Karra: yes very smart move and you will have me to deal
Russ: of course I wouldn't, I'm going to have you in my
head and who's going tell me not to? You.
Russ: so what do I have to worry about? I rarely override
you if I can help it.
Karra: but you do.
Russ: I have to sometimes. Because I have to maintain I
guess some kind of individual sense, don't ask me why.
Karra: oh it's a male thing of sorts.
Russ: probably a male thing, I don't know.
Karra: okay, if Carrie was here she would find that very
Russ: yes she would. Internet wise....
Russ: working with people in conversations on bringing
about their understanding and learning.
Russ: this is a form of healing correct?
Russ: how so?
Karra: by bringing out what is on their mind, you can look
at it, hold it up to the sunlight, see the problem and
address the problem, simple as that.
Russ: but what does it heal?
healing by words. You're looking at the problem, you're
addressing the situation and you're coming up with an
informed answer and by coming up with an answer, you
come up with a cure.
Karra: for example, if you take Iris.
Karra: she obviously has some scars.
Karra: okay she was injured by what was said by the Zeta
Reticuli and was injured because she believed but looking
deeper into it, she sees the lacking in continuity.
Russ: oh you mean the past lives.
Karra: okay she has been damaged. By discussing it and
being given a different point of view, she is formulating
by looking at one side and the other side an answer. Is
that not healing?
Russ: I couldn't argue with it if I wanted to darling.
Russ: on no really, I don't have any arguments to give
Russ: much as you know I'd like.....it was perfectly put.
Karra: okay well if you're not going to argue, this
conversation serves no further purpose.
John: this is what you would call spiritual healing isn't
Karra: yes exactly, exactly.
Russ: you little teaser.
Karra: I'm teasing am I dear?
Russ: yes you are darling.
Karra: oh you know me too well.
Russ: yes I do.
Russ: I have to. Okay and then what about the folks who
are completely and totally negative such as Abbul?
Russ: the healing there, you want to just beat them over
the head with a computer monitor. While it's probably more
my healing then their's, I still try to talk to them and
trying to explain in a very slow, childlike manner. What
else can be done?
Karra: the way that you beat them is show them love and
compassion. You do not deviate from your path because that
would give them the false sense of "I won, I won" and
behave even more childlike. How do you deal with a child
that is errant? Do you pick it up and say, "there, there,
that doesn't matter. You go ahead and do what's wrong" or
do you pick it up and say, "don't ever do that again or I
will spank you"? And if it does it again, what you do? Do
you pick it up and go, "there, there, that doesn't
matter", or do you spank it?
Russ: neither one.
Karra: sometimes it is the only way. You've seen me spank
Klarra. (Her youngest daughter.)
Russ: yeah I know but I mean it's like....I know, I've had
this conversation with Mark and Kiri and Tia already
Karra: and me numerous times.
Russ: and you numerous times about explaining what is
actually wrong and why you shouldn't do that and why kids
would not pay attention to that if you did.
Karra: sometimes they do not understand and the only way
is, "you pull that cat's tails, you hurt the cat, the cat
runs and hides. How would you like it if I spank you?" If
you don't follow through, the child will go ahead and pull
the tail again and become cruel and abusive towards cats.
So by saying to the cat...saying to the child, "you pull
that cat's tail again, I will spank you and spankings
hurt." The child goes off, pulls the feline's tail again,
you spank the child. You also explain that that is wrong
and if it pulls the tail again, it will get the same
treatment until it learns to stop. You have a perfectly
good or we have a perfectly good pain mechanism but yet
parents on your planet today seem not to want to use that
because it's child abuse to inflict pain even if it is
only temporary pain. For example Russ, has your mother
ever spanked you?
Russ: whipped the living $&*^ out of me.
Karra: let us take an example of when you stole something
from a shop.
Karra: your mother whipped the living hell out of you did
she not when she found out?
Russ: no my stepdad did.
Karra: okay you stepdad did, would you do that again?
Russ: I did that again.
Karra: and what happened?
Russ: nothing, I didn't get caught.
Karra: didn't get caught. You worked extra hard to make
sure that you didn't get caught.
Russ: well true yeah.
Karra: okay, let us take something where you did get
caught. You pick the subject this time.
Russ: all right, oh I got caught coming home late or I got
caught sneaking out of the house to go fishing.
Russ: my stepdad kicked the %$*#& out of me then too.
Karra: did you do it again?
Russ: nope, didn't do it again that time.
Karra: okay, why not? Look at it honestly, don't give me
some psycho dribble.
Russ: no I'm not, I didn't want to get the &*%$#
kicked out of me again.
John: you can't do that nowadays with children, you'll be
Karra: exactly but Russ is a prime example of why it
works. Russ was only temporarily, physically hurt,
mentally there was no damage but there was no permanent
damage. You have no permanent scars from that beating do
Russ: of course not.
Karra: do you have any mental scars from that beating?
Russ: Hell yes.
Karra: but they stopped you from doing naughty things like
Karra: so therefore it is not a scar, but a memory.
Karra: any more questions?
Russ: that's it hon.
John: nope, not at this point.
Karra: okay. See you later love.
Russ: bye love.
John: see you honey.
(Tia finishes up things)
Tia: we'll have to get you astral
traveling bud. Get you a good woman up here.
Tia: or a good man.
John: I prefer a woman.
Russ: got any good choices for women up there who are
after Johnny's butt there?
Tia: we can look around, we can probably find somebody.
Tia: but apparently sleeping with a third dimensional male
is a little bit of upmanship around here at the moment.
Russ: I don't have anybody banging on my door.
Tia: what about Terri?
Russ: well Terri was.....I was a breeding stud at
Tia: what about Gonzo?
Russ: oh yeah, nevermind.
Tia: what about Lyka?
Russ: well Lyka was fun.
Tia: what about Luna?
Russ: Luna's a laugh a minute.
Tia: what about Kiri?
Russ: well Kiri, I mean that's just incest.
Tia: incest is best.....
Russ: keep it in the family.
Tia: yeah okay, how much tape have we got there Buwanna?
Russ: about 15 minutes.
Tia: no we only got about 10.
John: about 11 minutes.
Russ: okay well it's 9:30 now guys so we'll find out who's
right and who's wrong.
Tia: okay it's 9:30.
Russ: okay now, who else is on tonight?
Tia: you're looking at it.
Russ: oh well, night's going downhill from here then huh?
Tia: that is very impossible Russ, I mean it can't get
much lower with the mental level that you're at.
Russ: okay, all right, all right truce. That was pretty
Tia: I mean how can you get lower from being down right at
the very bottom core of your planet. There isn't anywhere
lower than that.
Russ: that's true. Hey that was a nice little wrestling
session with Mark tonight eh?
Tia: do you know he could have severely hurt you numerous
times in that?
Russ: well of course I did, that's what the fun was.
Tia: the fact that you....that he was not retaliating
Tia: the fact that he was trying to relax, I heard him.
Go, "knock it off, I'm trying to relax."
Russ: well we've never done that before so...
Tia: he's quick isn't he?
Russ: hey, he's very quick.
Tia: very agile too.
Russ: yeah I'll have to practice on.....
John: yeah he knocked you on your ass didn't he?
Russ: well we kept going back and forth, it was funner
Tia: yeah but he took you down real quick and easy.
Russ: yeah he got me off balance or something.
Tia: I don't think you should push Mark too much. From
what I heard, there is a point where if you react in a
certain way, Mark's body...his mind takes over, it's
all automatic and very dangerous and quick. There is a
story that he tells and I believe he's told you, he's told
me it a couple of times because I did it to him on
one occasion and triggered a reaction that scared the hell
out of me.
Tia: yeah is that Mark will respond in a
certain situation that his....he appears to shut down but
react like a machine, a robot, like somebody's
programmed him. And that is something to watch is, you
watch his eyes because his eyes will go blank and he's not
aware of what he's doing.
Tia: it's very dangerous because twice I believe he's come
close to severely hurting somebody, probably
higher. I know that his eyes went blank on me and Kiri
Russ: coerced him?
Tia: yeah stopped him dead, cold in his tracks, froze him.
Russ: I'll bet she did.
Tia: yeah, she knew what happened.
Russ: she's quick, quicker then Mark I think.
Tia: yeah well she had to be at that point because I mean
he could have hurt me from what he said, very easily. Even
my speed and agility.......
Russ: what did you do to him?
Tia: I can't remember offhand, I'd have to think a second.
I started to advance on him and I brought my foot up, he
caught my foot as I brought it up and he started to flick
it up but he stepped in on my other foot.
Russ: you were play fighting or something?
Tia: yeah play fighting, we do that from time-to-time.
Russ: oh okay.
Tia: and he stepped on my foot and he had his one foot on
my foot whilst pushing my leg up and Kiri stopped him
because he would've just carried on going pushing my leg
higher and higher until I was almost split.
Russ: you would have to spend some time in rejuve lab.
Tia: well he would've broken my leg.
Russ: maybe a flashback for him.
Tia: probably damage my pelvis as well.
Russ: didn't help that he would've felt really guilty
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: felt it was really you know his fault and it
Tia: no it wouldn't be his fault.
Russ: it wouldn't?
Tia: he's been programmed.
Russ: maybe he could break the program?
Tia: the question is, is it something that is ingrained
that deep that only comes out occasionally. You
break the program, you might break the machine.
Russ: true. Any news for the web, for the page for this
Tia: from me? Well we can't include the dogfight
unfortunately, the big one.
Russ: why not? Why, I wasn't planning on putting it in
unless Taal came in and told me
Tia: no, oh you want the official report from the
Tia: okay, I can have that in...(Speaks to one of the
technicians in the channeling room.)...thank
you...no...just the report.....yeah thank you......glasses
too thank you. Okay at 0302, patrol Alpha, Alpha
Zeta....funny coincidence.....on patrol over Kazakhstan
spotted a flight of eight. Flight Alpha Zeta moved in to
investigate. The flight attacked but was chased off, no
damage to either party. The patrol continued on its
flight. Over lower Siberia, a force of 36 craft approached
a flight of three from flight Alpha Zeta. Flight Alpha
Zeta requested backup in a tone of voice that denoted
concern. A dog fight ensued. Two flights were scrambled
and sent to the situation. At this point the lead craft
from flight Alpha Zeta was damaged and put in a situation
where it no longer had the firing capability. It withdrew
from the battle. As it withdrew it requested another
flight to be sent. A flight was sent. In the ensuing
melee, 13 aircraft were destroyed of the hostile force.
Backup for flight Alpha Zeta and the other flights that
had shown up on the scene occurred. Three more flights
were sent in giving a total of, total of 21 craft being
involved in the dogfight. Of these, five were damaged, all
repairable. One was destroyed, fortunately the pilot
ejected over a area of middle Siberia near an area of
Tunguska......very strange and coincidental......one pilot
was injured due to exuberant celebration before being
extracted from the cockpit of the craft.
his hand through the visor.
Tia: all aircraft are now fully
operational and a replacement aircraft or two replacement
aircraft have arrived on the base with a new pilot. End of
Russ: thank you.
Tia: Taal could have given a much better report. It would
go something along the lines of, "well we were watching
our six and I came up on the inside and we came in above
the aircraft as it pulled a negative inside loop."
Russ: I am going to assume that we're not going to add the
part about the pilot having a slight mistaken identity? (A
possible case of friendly fire.)
John: yeah, yeah, I was going to......
Tia: no, it is being investigated. It is not
being investigated by Ashtar command, it is being
Russ: oh it's not?
Tia: because it did not involve an Ashtar personnel.
Russ: the pilot wasn't part of Ashtar personnel? He
Tia: they're not, none of them are.
Russ: oh they're not? They're independent contractors?
Tia: yeah, basically.
Russ: I mean how can you say...not say that they work for
Ashtar command because they take direct orders from...
Tia: no, it's a mutual thing. They do things for us and we
do things for them.
Russ: oh, Ashtar Command suggests something and they do
Tia: yes. However, if he is found guilty Russ, that's it
for him. If he is found guilty of negligence right? They
all know that their flying days are over. Basically it's a
death sentence for them.
Russ: I don't doubt that.
Tia: because they were originally
genetically engineered for one purpose and one purpose
only, to fly and that is so ingrained into them. You
take Taal's little one right? He's already been up in a
Russ: oh really?
Tia: yeah, Taal took him to Sirius if you remember.
Russ: oh yeah.
Tia: for the skiing.
Russ: for the skiing.
Tia: in Taal's craft, he sat in between Taal's legs.
Tia: it's instinctual for them.
Russ: well he could go on training couldn't he?
John: so Taal's son will become a pilot, is that you're
John: it's something that's inbred that's fixed.
Tia: correct....yeah. It's so ingrained....
John: he's not going to be a scientist or an engineer or
Tia: he will be a pilot, he is genetically bred or they
were genetically bred for that purpose. Your planet
talks about natural pilots right? There's no such thing
as a natural pilot on your planet bcause your planet
hasn't had flight long enough for it to become common.
Tia: there are people on your planet now that still
remember a time where flight was unheard of, or powered
flight. In Taal's race, they have been flying spacecraft
for close to 2,000 years.
Tia: they have had flight for probably 2,500 years. So
you're talking about a race that has been in space for
2,000 years. And I'm not talking space as in the space
shuttle, being able to travel from one planet to
another. They are designed for the specific function and
reactions.....I mean I'm fast, my reactions are fast.
Russ: what planet are they from or is it are they just
from a planet?
Tia: they're from a planet but because they're
genetically engineered or were originally genetically
engineered, it is something that is debatable.
Russ: they have root race.
Tia: we're both wrong Russ, it's over 15 minutes.
Russ: yep, afraid so.
Tia: okay, so there is a root race but they've been
genetically altered where that is their primary function
is flying spaceships. Whether it is a freighter, or a
combat ship, or a transport ship, or a huge colony ship,
that is what they are designed for, is to navigate, to
John: these are the blue guys that we're talking about
Tia: that's correct. You know, that is what they are
primarily bred for. Some of them can do ground control,
the older ones are ground control because they know they
no longer have the reflexes but they still have the
reflexes to make a snap decision for a flight of
John: right, right.
Russ: now when they grab the big colony ships, where do
they fly to?
Tia: well they normally fly backwards and forwards from
bases and stuff. Or they take groups of individuals from
one place to another. For example, if you have a
particularly dangerous colony mission where you're
taking let's say taking 2,000 individuals to a colony.
Let's say your planet's doing this right? And listen
carefully to what I'm going to say. Your planet is
colonizing let's say a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri
right? Okay, let's say you have to navigate through some
very nasty asteroids right, an asteroid field?
Tia: to get there. Now, this gentleman takes an entrance
exam, enters the Academy and becomes an incredible pilot
and ends up actually being the pilot in charge of that
flight. Now unfortunately, during the flight he can't
get to his "favorite drink" and his skin turns blue.
That's what some of them do.
Tia: uh-huh. That's what some of them actually do is
work in the third dimension. Because there isn't really
enough of a living up here for them to make. You see
they once were or their root race was a third
dimensional race. They're sixth dimensional now because
they are linked to their ships, their ships are almost
Russ: they could fly for like an Air Force or something
Tia: there is none on your planet.
Tia: I'm taking it as a hypothetical situation. I'm not
going to say Chuck
Yeager happens to have blue skin underneath that
Russ: too short.
Tia: or what's his name, Grissom....no
Grissom's too short.....Campbell or Carpenter
You know they're not blue guys okay?
Russ: right, just checking.
Tia: uh-huh. But that's the sort of thing that they end
up doing some of them is that they relinquish their
sixth dimensional heritage to fulfill what they're bred
Russ: third dimensional flight, flying period.
Tia: uh-huh, flying.
Russ: yeah but wouldn't that mean they might come up
against the guys from the base?
Tia: in a hostile situation?
Tia: very unlikely mainly because most of the missions
that they're on are peaceful, exploration missions.
Occasionally they will bump into their colleagues from
the base or from bases right?
Russ: like if they go to work for the Pelladian's or
something and they meet when the Hades Base ships stop
for a search.
Russ: go "hey how's it going, how's mom and dad? Well
good to hear..."
Tia: no it's normally along the lines of that's where
telepathy comes into play.
Tia: you know they can't walk up, shake hands and you
know happen to blow their cover, they can't do that.
Tia: it's more along the lines of....
Russ: private mode.
Tia: yeah private mode and communicate ask how
everything is going and pass on messages. Because yeah
the blue guys, they see auras, they know when there is a
pilot on board a ship.
Tia: uh-huh. Now if the pilot is injured, they will come
on and board and set up a situation where it appears he
gets killed, a fight breaks out and then they will take
him home and get him fixed up. Change his face and send
him back to the place or he could stay in the sixth
dimension. I think Taal's has done a tour like that.
Russ: oh really?
Tia: uh-huh. I think, I'm only assuming, I'm guessing
Russ: yeah, right, right. Interesting.
Russ: that's interesting to know.
Tia: yeah. So I mean, when you talk about natural pilots
on your planet, no there is no such thing.
John: not yet.
Tia: not yet.
John: we've got to be evolved more.
Tia: you've got to have a heritage of in one family,
let's take 200 years where they have continuously, the
father and mother...it's got to be father and mother all
the way back to great, great whatever grandmother it is
and grandfather, have to be pilots.
John: hmm, interesting.
Tia: they have to have piloting skill. For example, let
us say your mother right? Take her back in time...
Russ: was Amilia
Tia: yeah right and she married....
Russ: she would be my grandmother.
Tia: yeah your grandmother was Amilia Ehrhardt who
married let's say Chuck Yeager.
Russ: Charles Bell I mean Albert
Tia: Albert Bell.
Russ: same timeframe.
Tia: okay, and their son happens to be Chuck Yeager and
Russ: who marries...female pilot....the one who just
qualified the F-16.
Tia: yeah. And so on all the way down right? You've got
10 generations right? Of pilots. The 11th generation is
not a natural pilot but there is that possibility that
it might be.
Tia: the 12th, there's more of a chance of being a
natural pilot but not totally. The 13th, again the same
thing. The 14th, the same again. The 15th, more than
likely but not definitely a natural......
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