Treebeard started off side two
with a project to solidify our understanding of what
it is like to stand in the metaphorical shoes of a
deva. A very tired Karra commented on the 3rd
dimensional practice of the over-use of chemical
treatments for ills where they only mask the problem.
Kiri closes out the night with giving us some
additional parameters to work with on a project she
had assigned both Skip and myself.
Archivist Notes: This channeling session was during
a pregnancy of Tia so Kiri filled in as ring
mistress doing an excellent job of it during her
absence. This is a two part session with the special
guest speakers mentioned on the tape coming in next
month's podcast. Since she led things off, Kiri went
over some crucial questions to ask oneself before
using coercion. Omal came next and when the
conversation moved onto the Brotherhood of Light,
provided an elucidating discourse on their purpose.
Lyka provided the surprise of the night when
discussing her hip laser while Treebeard finished up
side one helping us understand devas better.
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(Kiri gets busy as
Kiri: okay, first of all, where were
we? Let me see, what were we talking about? Coercion
Kiri: okay, coercion and the
necessary protocols to protect oneself from getting
into trouble. Okay, one of the important things to
remember and we harp on this many times is what is
the golden rule? Never for....
Russ: personal gain.
Kiri: right but there are
exceptions which we have covered in the past.
Kiri: one is if by using
your skills let us say in a job interview so that
you get the job which is paying you more money so
that you can exist better and therefore support
those people necessary to you as well, then that is
a good use of coercion and you're using it it for
personal gain. By defining personal gain we can lay
out a framework that gives you an area that you can
work in. For example, personal gain, what is the
definition of personal gain? Anything that benefits
yourself for yourself. So by using your coercive
skills in a job interview to get that job that you
need, it's not exactly benefiting just you is it?
Kiri: it can be looked at
another way. Supposing that you believe you are the
best person for the job and the only person you have
to support is yourself. You already have a current
job but you're going for a better one. Now, is that
right or wrong?
Skip: I'd say it's right.
Kiri: okay first of all,
let's see why Russ says it's wrong.
Russ: well due to the fact
that you have the job you're in now.........
Russ: by using coercion to
get another one, you're actually affecting your fate
and your course of your life.
Russ: by using coercion do
Russ: you're changing for
the better but it's for personal gain.
Kiri: Skip, why do you think
that it's for good?
Skip: you mean why it's
Skip: because you're
stepping yourself up in life which means you can
help other people more.
Kiri: Skip's closer to the
truth. Okay, for example, let us say that I go for a
job as an engineer at a facility......let's say that
I'm a third dimensional being and I have a strong
coercive ability and I go for a job interview at an
engineering firm that I want to work at that's going
to pay me better and I use my coercion to get it.
The way around it is by using your coercive skills
and the fact that I'm one of the best engineers
around, means that the company will benefit from use
of my skills as an engineer which means that it's
not for personal gain. You see?
Skip: in other words, you're
helping them by helping yourself.
Kiri: that's correct. Now to
define personal gain in more detail is something
that is beneficial to only you. For example, let's
say that I have the hots for a guy right? Again I'm
a third dimensional being and I use my coercive
skill to get the guy to sleep with me and to have
sex with me.
Kiri: that's bad because I'm
using my coercive skill at that point for personal
Russ: like you'd ever need
Kiri: that's besides the
point, that is besides the point, I mean the
listeners and readers don't know what I look like. I
mean for all's they know, I could weigh 300 pounds,
be five foot three.......
Russ: well we described you
excellently and we put a picture even in there of
Kiri: yes I know but I'm
saying, some of the first time readers might not
Kiri: but what I'm saying is
that to use it for personal gain....let's say I am
trying to buy a car right? Don't know why but I'm
trying to buy a car and I use my coercive skills to
get the best possible deal and in actual fact I get
the vehicle for cost. Again that is using my
coercive skills for a negative purpose. Or, I'm at a
market and I'm haggling over the price of some kind
of vegetable matter that I'm going to be eating.
Again, that is negative, I am using it for a
negative purpose. So the rules of coercion are very,
Kiri: and are laid out in
such a way that it is very important to be able to
grow spiritually by learning what I can and cannot
do. Now there are some gray areas which I'm not
going to go into at this time but we will cover that
at a later time. Okay now, report time, Skip?
Skip: huh? I'm sorry, go
Kiri: okay, I want to hear
Skip: oh about my verbal
Skip: well, I got my
grandson to cut the lawn and water it.
Kiri: oh good and is he
doing it on a regular basis now?
Kiri: good, good, good.
Skip: no, I have to keep
Kiri: ahh, so you have to
keep on coercing him.
Kiri: okay, we'll give you
half a point for that. Okay, Russell the
Russ: now there's a certain
ethical question I've got........
Russ: about coercing people
to give me more money.
Russ: and that comes from
the fact that I'm increasing my personal gain.
Kiri: but that's not
exclusively yours. What do you do with the increase
in the personal gain? What purpose does it serve?
Russ: oh and the cats.
Kiri: and the cats and......
Skip: doesn't it pay for the
utilities and stuff in the building?
Russ: and what?
Kiri: well what do you do
with the money once you split it?
Russ: spend it.
Kiri: spend it, good and
what does that do?
Russ: that buys me more
Kiri: which in turn does
Russ: well now let's clarify
this, personal gain is being only to me?
Kiri: to you.
Russ: well nothing I make
moneywise is only for me.
Skip: there you go.
Kiri: you see?
Russ: so another words, I
can coerce for any reason to get money?
Skip: yeah as long as you
are spending it to let others support themselves by
giving you the products.
Kiri: now what you do with
the money depends on whether it is good or bad, that
is a moral issue, that is not a coercive issue. If
you use it to go out and buy alcohol and you live in
an alcoholic state of consciousness that's bad,
that's a moral question, that's a health question.
Skip: or gamble it away.
Kiri: or gamble it away,
that is a moral and a health question. If I'm
playing cards and I'm bluffing a lot and I use my
coercion to win money, that's negative.
Russ: what if you're using
it to feed your family?
Kiri: if I'm using it to
feed a family, that becomes a gray area. It depends
on is there another way for me to make a fiscal
Skip: hmm. See you're smart
enough you don't have to do that.
Russ: I don't do that.
Skip: and I don't do it.
Kiri: so you see that the
moral issues and ground works are something that are
very important to coercion. Being able to decide for
yourself with a good, strong moral upbringing on
what is good and what is bad. I mean we've laid out
a basic framework to work within to add things on. A
lot of the lessons that you learn with coercion and
especially the lessons that I've set you up to learn
teaches you what is good and bad. You Russ have a
moral question of that you were only benefiting
yourself. By analyzing it and looking at it, what
have we learned?
Russ: it's benefiting
Kiri: that's correct. And
with Skip, we've learned the same thing. We didn't
touch on it as lightly or as deeply, we only touched
upon it lightly. If you want Skip we can go into it
in more detail.
Skip: no that's enough.
Kiri: okay. So it is very
important to have a good laid out groundwork for a
coercive capability. Coercion in itself is neither
good or bad, it's what you do with the coercion that
makes it good or bad. As I said earlier, if I use it
to coerce somebody for my own personal gratitude,
then that becomes a negative purpose because I am
manipulating somebody's free will to serve myself
and myself only. But if I'm using it to create an
income or to create goodwill or to create an
opportunity for others, that is good. If I use it
for self-advancement that serves no purpose apart
from myself whether that is a new job interview or
for a transportation device or to get income so that
I can go and drink it away or gamble it away or
sniff it away or smoke it away, then that is bad but
that is a moral issue. It is something that is
necessary to be laid out and looked at is the moral
Russ: I see.
Kiri: I mean Tia with her
strong moral upbringing is a very good person to
give a good example of moral coercion. To use her
morals which are very high and very strong is
something that is very, very important to lay out
for yourself if you're going to be a coercer. In
coercing somebody, you have to ask yourself the
moral questions of is it for personal gain, will it
benefit them, will it benefit others, will it
benefit myself, will they learn from it? These five
questions are just the start of the kind of
questions that you should ask yourself. But you
should already know the answers before you coerce.
So the thing is to select a representative that is
going to be the person that will be coerced but
you're not going to actually coerce them because
what you're going to do is think, "if I'm going to
coerce them, do they meet these criteria?" And you
have to lay down your own rules and regulations and
criteria for coercion. The framework that we've
given you is just a framework that you build upon
and trial and error will be best suited to give you
what works for you because not everybody is the same
in coercion. Some are weaker, some are stronger,
some have a different moral persuasion than others.
So it is something that is very necessary to lay out
Kiri: within the frameworks
that we've given. Of course we will augment and
change and improve upon the framework as we look at
how you progress with learning your coercive whether
it is vocal coercion or mental coercion.
Kiri: but you didn't answer
the question Russ.
Russ: no, no success. I have
plenty of ten hour blocks but the people already
(at the internet café I ran)
Russ: doesn't quite count.
Russ: now I did do some
coercion last night.
Russ: which was separate
from the test.
Russ: but was very
Kiri: so I hear.
Russ: and that was something
on my spare time for extra credit.
Kiri: and that doesn't count
in class unfortunately.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: it's not
extracurricular activity. But, by using your
coercion in a classroom environment even though the
classroom happens to be at your shop, what are you
learning? You're using your coercion in your free
time for getting what is necessary to be done.
Kiri: whether it is
successful in the classroom is a moot point because
now you're using it on areas that are needed.
Russ: correct. Which is
Kiri: uh-huh. But that
doesn't count toward the points.
Russ: ahh well.
Kiri: okay Skip gets half a
point, you get no points.
Russ: I should at least get
a semi-good point. Kind of like a star or something,
a gold star, a no point gold star.
Kiri: what's with these gold
Russ: you never went to
kindergarten down here so you're not familiar with
them but if you go kindergarten and get like a good
score on a test or do something good, they give you
a gold star. It depends on your elementary school.
Russ: for small ones.
Kiri: ahh, no we don't do
that. We know if we've done good or bad or if we've
learned or we have not learned. Okay, now,
(The cat meows.)
Kiri: yes feline? What was
your question? Can you enunciate that a little
Russ: yeah, give the floor
over to Bobkin there.
(One of the house cats.)
Kiri: okay, any more
Skip: I don't think so.
Kiri: well as I'm ring
mistress I have my shorts on and I've got my whip
and I've got my waistcoat on and I've got my tall
Skip: you've covered it
pretty thoroughly tonight.
Kiri: oh thank you, thank
you. Okay, catch you guys in the flip side.
Russ: okay, I'll start some
tea I think. Want some tea Skip?
(Omal comes on to share his
Omal: greetings and
felicitations, I see Russ is being mobile.
Russ: getting tea.
Skip: how you doing Omal?
Omal: I am doing well.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: I will be brief and to
the point and again Russ, hello.
Omal: okay I will be brief
and to the point about Kiri's comments and again
comment on the fact that she is batting extremely
high at this time on her seriousness and has not got
overly rambunctious in the last few sessions. Maybe
it is something that has aided in straightening her
out even though we did have an incident two
channeling sessions prior where she has throwing
items of clothing at people but in the actual
sessions themselves she has been more serious and
not as juvenile.
Omal: again I must comment
on the fact that wearing the mantel as ring mistress
may be suiting her. Okay, let us move along to other
topics that need to be looked at and I believe Russ,
you have some questions for me.
Russ: numerous questions,
news, things like that.
Omal: okay let us first of
all start with Skip and see if Skip has any
questions that he wishes to ask.
Skip: not this evening Omal,
go ahead with Russ okay?
Russ: all right, I'm not
sure if you were kept up to date on the latest
changes on the webpage?
Omal: no I have not been so.
Russ: okay, we're making
some............Karra and I are working on revamping
the entire page.
Omal: you have to remember I
do have a base to run.
Russ: I understand, I wasn't
sure if people had kept you up-to-date but this is
just recently tonight before the session so it's
pretty quick notice.
Russ: so anyway we're
basically......we're tearing down the site and
replacing it with a more easier interface for people
to navigate through.
Russ: plus it's adding a lot
of the more tools that we have available for us to
bring it more up-to-date with the other webpages
that are out there and that people are using to
bring more attention to it.
Russ: so hopefully by the
time Ashtar or I mean.......yeah Ashtar.
Omal: Ashtar, Monka and
president Tanaka and his lady wife, Lady Gronofsky.
Russ: right, we're hoping to
have that all up-to-date and rocking and rolling.
Russ: on other news, we have
a report I got today on the Internet on the email
about a meta-fest conference the happened in Florida
Russ: and in fact it's this
week. One of the things I noticed that caught my
attention was that from all the people that were
there was a really high level of energy and people
are sensing that something big is about to happen.
Russ: "thing is, there is an
absence of fear and panic, it's as if we all knew we
were here at this very time for a reason. A feeling
of belonging and community came forward as each
speaker shared their talent, insight and truth for
all." Later on in the article it goes down to,
"those in attendance at this event will be least
likely to be affected by the sudden trauma that
could occur as the earth changes escalate. However
they are now better prepared to help others who may
be less informed or even in denial."
Russ: which brings about a
good point about our fellow humans who are either
uninformed, do not wish to be informed but in that,
we're trying to enlighten people as to the changes
that are happening.
Russ: and any ideas on a
more......a way we could.....
Omal: disseminate the
Omal: I believe that you are
doing what you do best. I also believe that those
that do not wish to be informed, do not wish to be
informed no matter how much you put the information
out, if they do not wish to be informed, they will
not be informed. So I believe that they have their
own lessons to learn. If they wish to learn, they
can learn from many different sources, not just the
Hades Base News. We are not just the one mouthpiece,
there are many different sources of truth all
leading towards the same point. As is stated,
everybody has their own lessons to learn. Whether it
is from the Hades Base News or from other sources is
besides the point. The fact that they will learn
when they need to learn is what is important.
Whether or not they wish to learn is up to them. By
going out and forcing the information on people
instead them coming looking for it, defeats the
purpose of the lessons. It is saying, "look, this is
what you need to learn." It is not letting them
learn and saying, "oh, that was a good lesson, we
have learned something." Instead of hammering it
into them, you are offering them the opportunity to
come and find the information if they wish to do so.
If they do not wish to do so, then it is irrelevant
on how much publicity and information you
disseminate. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh. Okay, that
makes sense. On another note, we have........I did
find another channel that might be able to
participate in the conference but she channels
Russ: so that would give us
another representative group though aligned with
Russ: it will at least give
us....that would be three plus if we can get René to
work on it.
Russ: that would be an extra
Omal: okay so that is four
but the majority of them are all under the
Brotherhood of Light in one capacity or another.
Omal: we're still having
problems getting a hold of the Zeta's, the
Reptiloids and the various other factions.
Russ: well I just keep
striking out on that Zeta
link. I keep going into it and finding more
channels on like I said for Peladians but for the
Zeta Reticuli, I cannot find this lady to the save
Omal: she is out there,
whether or not she is Internet access or not yet is
besides the point. The fact is that she is out there
and our guestimates are that she will have Internet
access here if she does not have it already.
Russ: well good. One thing I
noticed was that somebody called the Ashtar Command
the air wing of the Brotherhood of Light.
Russ: so kind of like the
blue guys (the pilots of the base) being the air
wing of Hades Base.
Omal: yes, in essence.
Russ: in essence.
Omal: you have to remember
Ashtar Command is a very large organization, we are
but a very small cog.
Russ: well it is almost as
if this was mentioned that Ashtar Command was
actually a part......a small part of Brotherhood of
Russ: well how big is the
Brotherhood of Light?
Omal: it is big.
Russ: oh, I'm just trying to
get some reference.
Skip: would that include all
forms of life, the Brotherhood of Light?
Russ: I'm not sure on that
Omal: it is something
that........it depends on how you look at things.
The Brotherhood of and Sisterhood of Light is made
up of many, many different entities and beings, all
intending on the same purpose but from different
angles. It is hard to put a number on how many there
are but it certainly counts into very high numbers.
The thing is that we all work from different angles
and objectives and purposes, all for the same goal
which is to increase the vibrational awareness of
your planet and therefore to enhance the spiritual
growth and learning capabilities so that when the
time for changes come, you are ready. Depending on
how many people wish to listen depends on whether
you define the number as a large number or as a
small number. A large number is something that
depends on your perspective. To some, a million is a
large number. To others, it is a small number. A
billion is larger and there again there are
differences on the definition of a billion.
Omal: is it a million,
million or is it a hundred million? Or is it a
hundred, million, million, million? It depends on
Russ: hmm, now that puts
Earth in a perspective of well if the Brotherhood of
Light is like extremely large and Ashtar Command is
smaller and then Hades Base is smaller......
Russ: Earth is smaller.
Omal: no, Earth is just as
important as any other planet that is being aided in
its spiritual advancement and awareness.
Omal: every planet, every
being is just as important as every other being. To
sacrifice one for another is not what our purpose
is. Our purpose is to help all beings that wish to
be helped. Any that do not wish to be helped, we
cannot help them because they do not wish to be
helped but the hand is always there for them to
change their minds, to change their awareness at
whatever time they wish. Whether they believe in a
single deity, multiple deities, male deities, female
deities is besides the point, it is all there for
help. Whether somebody chooses one path is up to
them, we cannot force a path on an individual, we
cannot tell you, "Skip, this is what you must do,
Russ, this is what you must do, feline, this is what
you must do." That is wrong because you have to
learn for yourself what is necessary for your
advancements. We, as Kiri said, lay a framework for
you to work within if you desire to do so. Kiri is a
little bit more adamant on the fact that it is a
framework for you to build upon. For my saying, I
say that it is a framework that you may wish to use
or may not wish to use.
Skip: yeah I understand what
Omal is saying but I think in our 3-D society it is
more of a foundation perspective word. In other
words, if the foundation's there it's built, if it
isn't there it isn't built.
Omal: exactly, that is a
different way of wording it.
Skip: yeah, it's just a
different perspective on words is all it is Omal.
Omal: yeah but regardless,
it is whether or not you wish to use the foundation
or the framework, that is your choice, we cannot
tell you, "you must." For me to say, "you
Skip: we can't even do that
to our people.
Omal: that is
correct........is taking away your choice, you're
free will and as Kiri pointed out, that is very
Skip: yeah we can't even do
that to our own kind. Some people try it......
Skip: but it still don't
Omal: but you see the
importance of the choice.
Omal: choosing is very, very
important. Okay, any more questions?
Skip: no, not from me.
Russ: just one.
Russ: Skip, myself, others
who have joined our group, yourself and others on
Hades Base and Mark..........
Russ: all of us have all
agreed at some point to come together to work
Russ: our work
influences other people in various ways. We kind of
are at a point where we'll see those benefits or not
so much benefits as our lessons throughout the lives
that we lead and what we do. Our influence is going
to be so important for ourselves. That's the key
Russ: is to work on....each
of us even though we come into group, with work
together with each other.....
Omal: but also
Russ: also independently
right.........to enrich ourselves and each other.
Russ: okay, so those people
who come to our page are coming in the same way,
they've agreed to join us in this learning
Omal: correct. It
Skip: excuse me I'm sorry, I
didn't mean to interrupt you.
Omal: no, no.
Skip: either to join us or
to get the information where they can learn and join
us in the future is what it looks like to me.
Because you put out a heck of a page.
Russ: hmmm, well we do a lot
of work there, makes it kind of exciting.
Omal: but you are quite
correct in saying that whether or not everybody
comes together that reads the Hades Base News for
one time is besides the point. It is more along the
lines of that they read, they're participating by
reading and by learning but we cannot force them to
learn, we cannot force them to read, that is their
choice. It is important to stress that everybody has
free will. We are not telling anybody, "this is the
way it is, this is the end-all and be-all." No it is
not. There are many different paths for many
different individuals and it is up to them to choose
the path that is right for them.
Russ: hmm okay.
Russ: excellent, thank you
Omal: no problem. Live long,
prosper and, I'll be back.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri's back to hand off to the next speaker)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Skip: how you doing sweetie?
Kiri: I'm doing good.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, so I'm
still batting very high in all miles from a
reckoning huh. Okay, let's see what mischief I can
Skip: just nevermind.
Kiri: party pooper.
Skip: behave yourself.
Kiri: if I could throw stuff
at you I would.
Skip: I know, like your
blouse and your britches and........
Skip: just never mind that
Kiri: okay, I suppose I
better do the ring mistress thing as I'm in charge
and hmm, that's interesting. Okay, I'll put on the
next speaker and I'll be back doing my ring mistress
duties and I want to discuss a few things towards
the end that I want to see how things are
progressing with other projects.
(speaks to one of the
technicians in the room)
Kiri: okay, where'd I put my
notes....pass them over please? Thank you.
(Lyka takes her turn in the
Lyka: (sighs heavily) hello.
Lyka: hey, hey.
Skip: hi sweetie.
Lyka: how's it going?
Lyka: thank you, it's going
good as well. I can't stay too long, have pea brain
for a bladder. Well?
Lyka: want me to kick your
Lyka: you're having brain
lock there aren't you?
Russ: I am.
Lyka: hey Skip.
Skip: yes darling?
Lyka: shall we blow
(Skip bursts out laughing)
Lyka: of course.
Russ: of course.
Skip: oh darling.
Lyka: I'm tired, I've got a
pea for a bladder and.....
Skip: and have you had the
Lyka: no, it's not due until
Skip: oh, no wonder you've
got a painful bladder.
Lyka: late September.
Skip: late September?
Skip: oh my goodness
Russ: we haven't heard from
you in a while darling.
Skip: yeah, where you've
Lyka: where have I been?
I've been studying.
Skip: up at the study.
Skip: every week?
Lyka: every week.
Skip: what have they got
chained up to the table up there?
Lyka: oh you saying that my
education is not as important as coming down to
Skip: no, no, no, no, no. I
wasn't saying it that way. I asked you if they had
you chained to the table up there.
Lyka: not to the table in
the library or the classroom. I've been chained to
the bed but that's besides the point.
Skip: I've got to make a
joke with you once in a while.
Lyka: uh-huh, I was about to
say, you want me to kick your butt too.
Skip: no, you ain't going to
Russ: well it's good to see
Lyka: oh thank you. Okay,
you guys got anything you want to ask or talk about?
Strategy, brainstorming sessions.
Russ: absolutely, we can go
all night on something like strategy and other
things like that.
Skip: well I've got my
cement block wall up in the back of my house.
Lyka: what's this?
Skip: with a steel gate.
Lyka: ahhh, steel gate.
Lyka: how thick?
Lyka: chain-link hmmm,
doesn't offer much protection does it?
Skip: yeah quite a bit. It
rolls, it don't swing.
Lyka: but chain-link has
holes in it right?
Skip: that's okay, I can see
Lyka: uh-huh oh okay. What
kind of thickness of the wall and how tall?
Skip: oh they're let's
see.......the blocks are eight inches thick and
they're filled with cement and rebar.
Lyka: okay, will that stop
Skip: oh yes, with small
arms, it won't stop armor naturally.
Lyka: no, no.
Skip: but it will stop small
Lyka: okay, small arms is
defined as what size?
Skip: up to I would
Russ: 50 caliber?
Skip: oh yeah, it will stop
50 caliber. It won't stop 20 mm though.
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: Gatlin gun, it'll just
chew it up.
Lyka: sizes are confusing me
a little bit.
Skip: small arms is anything
that's carried with ease I believe.
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: okay? Machine guns,
rifles, well-stocked grenades(?).
Lyka: so Thompson is a small
Skip: yeah, it's small arms.
Lyka: and a Kalashnikov is a
Skip: a what?
Skip: oh yeah, yeah because
that's just a .223.
Lyka: and a Beretta 50
Skip: 50 caliber?
Russ: it's not going
Skip: it would chew it
eventually but it will stop it for a long time.
Skip: but a 20 mm Gatling
gun which is a rotating barrel gun, it'd just chew
it down because it would be so much impact.
Lyka: okay so the impact is
also a defining.........
Skip: small arms, yeah.
Lyka: so my hip laser would
be classified as a small arm.
Skip: laser? I don't know
what your penetration is with a laser so I couldn't
Lyka: I can penetrate
through solid rock to about 2 feet.
Skip: then it's not
classified as small arms.
(Russ starts laughing)
Lyka: okay I'm confused now.
Skip: no, you have more
capabilities with a laser then we have with
projectile type weapons.
Lyka: we use projectile
weapons too, it depends on the environment that
Skip: yeah but your lasers
have more penetration then our projectile type.
Lyka: but it won't penetrate
our body armor.
Skip: what, lasers?
Lyka: no, it won't
penetrate. Projectile weapons will. They
will..........a repeated blow from a projectile
weapon, let us say you're firing......you fire ten
shots at a particular point, that will make it
penetrate because the concussion will fracture the
material whereas a laser if you leave it on full
blast will penetrate because it cooks the armor and
breaks it down. But the repeated blow of a
projectile on the same spot, and it has to be the
same spot, will break down the armor.
Russ: so it means it's a
Skip: oh okay well we don't
have ceramic-based armor.
Russ: no we have Kevlar.
Skip: we use Kevlar and
that's not ceramic.
Lyka: that's made out of a
Skip: yeah it's a carbon....
Russ: right which means that
the laser would penetrate it but a projectile
Skip: that's correct.
Russ: so it's the opposite
of what you're using.
Skip: yeah our armor would
be the opposite as your armor.
Skip: where a knife will
penetrate our armor....
Skip: our body armor, a
projectile from a gun will not.
Lyka: ahh but wouldn't the
velocity of the projectile be burnt off with the
discharge, the heat from the discharge?
Skip: no, just the
projectile foot per second makes the impact.
Lyka: oh okay.
Skip: we don't have.....we
do have but we don't use them because they're in
military hands, projectiles out of rifles that will
explode on contact.
Lyka: uh-huh, yes I've seen
those, they're nasty.
Skip: yeah they are, they
get awful nasty.
Skip: but they're pretty
good sized, they're about the same size as probably
an 8 gauge shotgun which is pretty good-sized.
Lyka: okay, bigger size?
Skip: okay, 8 gauge shotgun,
how we classify shotguns is you take a pound of
Skip: and cut it into 8
balls and one of them balls would fit down the
Skip: that's how they gauge
shotguns in this 3-D.
Lyka: yeah I'm being shown
how big a pound is.
Skip: okay a pound is
probably....I'd say probably as big as my fist.
Lyka: okay. That gives me an
Skip: so that gives you all
the gauges for our shotguns.
Lyka: could you hold your
fist up a little higher so I can have a look see on
the monitor? Okay.
Skip: that gives you all the
gauges for all of our shotguns.
Skip: if you're talking
about a 20 gauge, there are 20 balls to a pound.
Skip: 16? 16 balls to the
pound. 12, 10, 8, 4, each one gets bigger.
Lyka: okay, I think I
Lyka: okay. I better go,
I've got a micro bladder
Russ: okay, fair away.
Skip: okay, you gotta go,
she's gone. (chuckles)
Skip: she's getting pretty
uncomfortable, September? Let's see this is July,
August...she's only got three months to go.
Russ: it's getting there.
Skip: hi baby.
Kiri: yo, I'm back okay.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: before he dozes off
(Treebeard joins the
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings Skip.
Skip: how are you tonight
Treebeard: I am functioning
well. Greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Treebeard,
an honor to have you with us again.
Treebeard: thank you, it is
my being of pleasure to being here. Okay, will we
continue where we being left off a few moments ago?
Treebeard: I am asking, not
Russ: oh, yes.
Treebeard: okay, if we
continue on the explanation being of the deva and
interrelationship with the trees, you being of
Russ: okay, the problems
that one sees when let's say a tree is cut down or a
forest is leveled, the deva who is protecting that
forest is going to feel kind of upset because of
that but let's say there's new growth planted, will
a new deva come in perhaps to take the charge or
will the old deva stay and watch the youth grow?
Treebeard: it depending on
purpose of area that is being cut. If it is as I
being of seeing on your planet farming, it is more
than likely that deva not being of concerned with
tending so much to of trees but overall caring for
area being of different kind of deva. But if it is
forest that is being of cut for first time and of
great age, then deva being of very upset react in
numerous ways. Being of either anger and hostility
or sadness and dejection. But depending on reaction
of deva depends on whether or not it turns to
tending or gives up and leaves. It is uncommon from
my perception of devas being giving up unless it of
happening repeatedly and fact being that devas of
great age, it is hard for them to see it as of being
common for area to be cut and cleared regularly.
Also because of great age, they are knowing of that
it is all part of cycle. So it is more a feeling of
temporary loss as you would feel for the loss of a
plant in your garden.
Treebeard: I am thinking of
exercise to give you understanding of deva's
reaction. In your area, you have many plants.
Treebeard: what I am
thinking of doing for you is asking you to dig up
one small sapling tree and being putting in pot and
seeing it grow.
Treebeard: and if failure to
grow and of dying, get another one until you get one
Russ: we've got lots of
little saplings growing.
Skip: yeah, yeah, you've got
a whole lot.
Treebeard: or another option
is you are taking of seed and planting seed. One
seed and seeing if it being of growing but I suggest
due to your short attention span, it would being of
better to pick one......
SIDE ONE ENDS
continues from where he left off)
Treebeard: ......that would being of
hard for you to be of patience to
watch a seed grow or not grow.
Treebeard: you do not have gift of
ultrasence to being of probing to see if seed is
fertile and active as opposed to not being fertile
Treebeard: so it would being better
for you to experience deva not from very conception
but from early stage of greening. When plant being
of greening, you will see many times how of growing
and by not telling anyone of what is purpose, you
will also see lessons of deva of what deva
experience when people unthinkingly do harm to of
Treebeard: so it is only you and Skip
that know of project and host when he listen to
Treebeard: so it is lesson to see how
little harm can being of done without consideration
and feeling of deva. But being of remembering that
you as deva will have to tend and care and look
after and think of all possible happenings to
protect this seedling.
Russ: good idea.
Treebeard: lesson for you Skip if you
wish so, do you?
Skip: I have....I have about 4 trees
in pots at home that were a gift to me.
Skip: they're only about maybe a foot
to 18 inches tall, very small and
I've been taking care of them.
Treebeard: and so you've being of
Skip: I've was thinking about putting
one of them in the ground.
Treebeard: okay that is good starting
Skip: okay. Yeah, center of my front
Treebeard: okay you will have to being
of thinking as of deva.
Treebeard: it will be for you the same
as Russ, no one being but of Russ and host to know
what lesson is.
Treebeard: so even young man who
tended of garden must not know that you will be
overseeing and watching that of greening young
Skip: okay, that's understandable.
Treebeard: so it give you both lesson
Skip: okay great.
Skip: super yeah, that will work
super. Thank you.
Treebeard: no problem. I also of
thinking that it will give you pride in watching of
greening to happen.
Treebeard: okay now, let us talk on
other matters that you are thinking on.
Russ: okay, my question is in
relationship to devas and their interaction with
other etheric entities. For example, how do they
work with weather to help get rain and so forth onto
areas that need rain and so forth and keep that
delicate balance of nature going?
Treebeard: they work of energy
manipulation as best as possible. If no moisture
being able to get, they will turn and look at area
and see what can be protected. Even if being of
whole area dies because of no precipitation, then
they will make sure that opportunity for greening
will re-occur. In such of helping trees of certain
tolerances breed so that they lay down of seeds that
once precipitation comes, then greening can return.
Or they work in way where it is common for fire and
fire devas that seeds that become necessary for
roasting and burning to germinate. So working within
environment is of importance of the greening that is
necessary. It is almost like of you manipulating
genes for specific characteristics within plants or
Russ: hmmm, yeah because we're
experiencing a drought right now in many parts of
Russ: being blamed on a weather
phenomenon known as La Niña and it's
something I was wondering how the devas work on such
a problem where there is just no growth.
Treebeard: you being having to of
remember that devas of great age have seen many
different of climates on your planet in areas. For
example area that once was a shallow sea is now of
being of desert. So it is of necessary to realize
that they have long view even in planning of now.
You think of hot time to being of coming calling
Treebeard: devas look further ahead to
of time where global cooling will be of occurring.
Russ: the next ice age.
Treebeard: that is being of your
Treebeard: but devas plan that far
ahead. Whether it is a 1,000 of your cycles or
10,000 is a point of little concerning of devas.
Their concerning is of long term.
Russ: hmm, I didn't realize that, I
think us being living short-term we don't see it far
Treebeard: even my age of long time is
small comparing of devas. On home world devas having
been there for many millions and one deva that I
call when I was much of younger then Russ to area
that I adore and make garden, feeling I get of deva
was of being of great age and when I say of great
age I mean of inconceptual length of time.
Russ: there's a raccoon on the porch.
Skip: oh is there?
Russ: one of our local wildlife were
looking in the door just now.
Treebeard: I see faint aura outside of
Russ: right, that would be the
Treebeard: I also of notice incredible
energy burst towards there.
Russ: yes the kitten is rather
wondering about that.
Treebeard: Kiri is of saying that the
scavenging animal should be made sure not to enter.
Treebeard: okay let us of
Treebeard: as I am of tired.
Russ: all right well I'm all done
Skip: yes so am I, thank you
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you are being of welcome.
(Kiri transitions between speakers)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo, yo. So, you've got one of
those bandit guys wandering around.
Russ: yeah, he was looking inside the
Skip: I closed it down far enough they
can't get in. He's off the porch now.
Russ: it's kind of neat though, little
guy going.....looking right at me.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay,
let's....I'm glad that Treebeard thinks in Sirian
and transmits it to us up here so we can hear what
he's actually thinking because I was trying to
follow that in English. Some of that was very hard
Skip: I thought it was pretty neat.
Russ: I thought it was very
Kiri: but his phraseology is hard.
Kiri: you've got to remember, English
isn't my language.
Skip: no, this is true too.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: even though I try when I'm
talking to you guys and I'm talking to Mark, I try
to think in English, it's very hard.
Skip: but even with him reversing his
Skip: it's still pretty easy to
understand what he's putting across.
Russ: definitely understandable.
Skip: yeah he translates real well, he
Kiri: well if I get to be that age and
I'm that learned on my chosen field, I'll be very,
Skip: hmm, he does a good job.
Skip: he really does.
Kiri: and as he gets up slowly and
picks up his...his rabbit, doesn't have the snake
with him tonight. Do you know what he calls his
Skip: oh just a straight rabbit.
Skip: oh okay.
Kiri: and actually calls him lepus
I've been corrected.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: which is Latin for rabbit I
Kiri: but snake is called snake and
snake is big. I think the nearest thing you would
describe him as would be something like a cross
between an anaconda and a python.
Russ: big snake.
Skip: it's a snake.
Kiri: okay, I better put on my big
Skip: all right then, bye.
(Kiri gives a big sigh)
(Karra starts to channel)
Russ: hello love.
Karra: hello hon, how's it doing?
Skip: hey sweetheart.
Russ: hey, how's it going Skip?
Skip: just fine, how about you?
Karra: oh a little tired, it's been a
Skip: whatcha been doing?
Karra: getting everything ready for
Skip: oh okay.
Karra: yeah we've got podiums to make,
we've got things to analyze before they arrive.
Karra: uh-huh. Going to give a little
speech. I've got to give the speech for when they
arrive, the acceptance and welcome speech.
Russ: oh okay. Have you found an
ambassador from Sirius to represent Sirius in
Karra: that's what they're coming to
Russ: all right, sounds good.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, what are we here
to talk about tonight?
Russ: well I could talk about the
Karra: I already know about that.
Russ: I'll think of other things to
Skip: why don't you pick a good
Karra: my mind's tired. Russ, how
tired am I?
Skip: and the mind isn't functioning
Karra: so it is more......as I am at a
low ebb energy wise, more for you to pick my brain.
Skip: let's go with this, why don't
you just relax?
Karra: okay, ask questions, I'll relax
and answer whatever comes to mind.
Russ: go ahead.
Skip: all right, this isn't the
Russ: no this is the healer.
Skip: the healer okay, okay.
Karra: yes the engineer is my.....
Skip: all right, that's.......okay.
Karra: my little sister.
Skip: all right, thank you. I have a
question to ask.......
Skip: and it's been bothering the hell
out of me for quite a while. I'm a healer or I have
Skip: what I can't seem to get through
my thick head is why all these educated
practitioners have to or seem to think that they
have to induce chemicals in everybody's body to cure
something that 99% of the time is not physical but
Karra: because it is part of........we
discussed last time, rituals. You remember?
Skip: yeah I remember the ritual but
hon, even a ritual doesn't.....
Karra: use the chemicals?
Skip: these gentlemen or ladies
however they are that graduated from these schools
of medicine, are all what can I say? Physical......
Karra: yes, physical practitioners.
Skip: practice but they've come down
to a point of where it seems that 90% of them want
to use chemicals to try to cure something that is
Karra: oh, I see where you're going,
talking about the psychiatrists? People that deal
with the minds of....
Skip: well even they induce chemicals
in their people to.......this whole society seems to
be going chemical happy is what I'm trying to get at
and why? Chemicals don't do anything for the body.
Karra: the way I think things are
happening, in my planet's history we went through a
phase very similar where we used chemicals to
control what we perceived as imbalances. What we
were actually doing was masking the problem. It
was........let's take a child that is hyperactive.
Skip: uh-huh, go ahead.
Karra: the question you have to ask is
why is the child hyperactive? What is first of all
making the child hyperactive? Is it something in the
diet, is it a particular person, is it a particular
environmental factor? Once you've ruled out all
these factors and there are numerous other
ones......you'll have to forgive me for only taking
three.......I'm as I said a little tired.
Skip: no go ahead.
Karra: let us say you've ruled out all
the environmental factors and the child is still
hyperactive. That's the way the child is but
if you look over the long-term at a hyperactive
individual or take an individual that was
hyperactive, they serve a very important purpose.
People that are hyperactive may be hyperactive
because they have a lot to achieve and have set
themselves lots of objectives and goals that they
need to achieve. So by prescribing chemicals to slow
them down, you may be doing them a disservice. Or
you could be doing them a service in extending their
life so that they can fulfill all the things that
they wish to do. Or you may be making it so their
life is cut short because of the chemicals
interacting in a way that slows down their processes
and they live their natural length of time that they
were supposed to live but do not achieve the goals
and objectives that they had set themselves so they
have to do it all over again. There are certainly
times where it does become necessary to slow an
individual down to a point where they can step
outside and see what they're doing and lay a path
work or pathway that will slow them down naturally
once the chemicals are removed but the
chemicals should only be used as a temporary measure
whilst other options are looked at if absolutely
necessary but not willy-nilly handed out
like confectionery. That is something
that is alarming to hear that there is a large
number of people being given chemicals to calm them
Skip: or to fix something that isn't
physically wrong with them.
Skip: now I have the reputation of
being a workaholic or I have had for most of my
Skip: I was hyper, that's all.
Karra: okay, so you're hyper, you know
what it's done for you.
Skip: made a heck of a good life.
Skip: for me and my family.
Skip: if I hadn't been hyper I
wouldn't have been able to make that good of a life.
Karra: that's correct. Would you wish
to be no ambition, no will to do anything, somebody
else will take care of you, somebody else will look
Skip: uh-uh, that won't work for me.
That still don't work for me even at my advanced
Karra: well if I was on earth years, I
would be in my late 20's to mid-30's.
Skip: yeah I know. I'm almost 3 times
that okay? But I still can't let other people take
care of me. In fact I'm still looking to find
somebody to take care of for me.
(Skip starts to laugh)
Karra: uh-huh, that is good.
Karra: that is good to have those
ambitions and goals and objectives.
Skip: oh yeah, I'm not going to stop
just because I've got into the 60 years.
Karra: age is irrelevant.
Skip: yeah well I figure I've still
got another good 30 years left.
Karra: that's good, that's good.
Skip: and I'm going to enjoy 'em.
Karra: uh-huh. I've got at least
another good hopefully 800 years.
Skip: yeah you bugger. (laughs)
Karra: that's something I do not
Skip: but what I was getting at is,
I've run across so many people just in the last I
would say 10 years that physicians, now I'm not
specifying male or female but physicians okay? Have
kept pumping into them different chemicals trying to
cure something that's not curable physically, it's a
Karra: uh-huh, well also I think it's
having looked around and seeing research when I was
more concentrated on the healing, it was more of a
thing of, "well that's fixed the problem but you've
got to take these medications and chemicals for the
rest of your life." To me that is a waste, I totally
agree with you Skip but you see getting
back to the children, it is also an importance on
laying the correct foundation and if necessary,
taking a harsh hand and laying down parameters that
are important that will form in later life. If you
have a hyperactive child, you have to think, "okay,
how can you harness that energy from that child to
benefit the child and improve the surroundings for
Skip: I think this is why I've been
trying to learn so hard of my physical and spiritual
Karra: yes and then on the other side
is what you do with somebody that has no will and
ambition and how do you get them motivated?
Skip: yeah well, the only thing you
can do in my estimation on something like that is
continue to feed them energy and keep setting
examples for them. But it still comes down to what
we were discussing earlier, it's their choice.
Karra: yes, Omal did cover that.
Skip: yeah, it's their choice. You can
set all the examples and give them all the energy in
the world but it's still their free choice to do or
not to do. It helps, it really does.
Skip: coercion will help or
energy examples, all
these things help but it's still really when it
comes down to push and shove, it's still their
Karra: yes you're very correct on
that. Anyway, I'm going to wander off as I've been
offered to sleep in the guest room.
Skip: oh, fantastic.
Karra: so I'm going to go and lie down
for a little while.
Russ: take care love, get some rest.
Karra: I will.
Skip: thank you, thank you, I
(Kiri returns to close out the
Skip: it's starting to irritate the
heck out of me. Hi babe.
Kiri: hey, carry on talking, I'm
Skip: feeding them all kind of
medications to try to fix something that's not
physical but up here in their spirit and their mind.
Russ: well they don't understand that
part, the only know one way of dealing with it,
all they were taught.
Skip: yeah right. Go ahead sweetheart.
Kiri: no I'm just listening with
Skip: no I'm just running my big
Russ: I've got an engineering question
for you sweetheart.
Russ: have you ever heard of a
gentleman, a third dimensional Earth gentleman named
Kiri: doesn't he do what's it, spatial
engineering? Not spatial engineering, constructional
Russ: not sure I don't think so. This
is a guy who lives up in Canada and he went aboard a
bunch of old battleships and other naval vessels
that were getting ready for the scrap heap. He took
a bunch of electronic gear out of them with their
permission and bought them or was given to
Russ: and proceeded to go ahead and
build an antigravity device.
Russ: basically creates a electric
field and used a lot of stuff from Tesla to actually
create what's called the Hutchinson Effect
which is a fact of antigravity.....
Russ: and I've seen like a
selection of videos on TV of this stuff actually
rising up in air.
Kiri: it's very easy to do actually to
build an antigravity thing. You know how you do it?
Kiri: and I can tell you, I've had it
Skip: you ornry thing.
Kiri: it's very, very simple. You get
yourself two electromagnets. You make sure you have
the positive side facing the positive side. Now what
happens when you have positive facing positive?
Russ: they repel.
Skip: they repel.
Russ: repel each other. Right, which
is what they think happened here but.....
Kiri: very simple.
Russ: pretty interesting stuff to
watch because actually it
wasn't magnetic, due the fact that paper was doing
this too. And paint and other things which aren't
Kiri: then what they're doing is
they're electrifying the surfaces so that it's
positive to positive or negative to negative.
Russ: so they're charging it?
Skip: yeah, they're giving it a
charge. We used to do the same thing with paint.
Russ: yeah I mean that's what I was
watching, cans of paint, the
paint would actually go up to the ceiling.
Skip: no I mean actual paint, not cans
of it, paint.
Russ: yeah, the paint would come out
of the can and go straight to the ceiling.
Skip: okay, we do it all the time in
Skip: you negative charge your parts,
throw them through the paint booth and you positive
charge your paint and the paint goes right to it and
there's no overspray.
Kiri: uh-huh, very easy, very simple.
Skip: they've been doing this for 25,
30 years with paint.
Kiri: uh-huh, you just take something
Skip: but I've never seen what you
were talking about.
Russ: big globs the paint, straight to
Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah. No I've never
Kiri: that's easy to do.
Skip: for you.
Russ: so they put a charge to whatever
Skip: yeah they put a positive charge
or vice a versa, whichever but they put one charge
to the parts that needs to be painted and put the
reverse charge on the paint and the paint will
actually suck to the metal.
Russ: now how's it that you can charge
a piece of paper?
Kiri: same principle.
Russ: I mean it's like it seems like
paper can't be......it's not a conductive......
Skip: it's got atoms in it.
Kiri: everything has a conductive
ability, some lesser, some greater.......everything.
Skip: including you and me.
Kiri: uh-huh. For example, where's the
Russ: it went scattering off.
Skip: but you can comb your hair and
make it stand straight up. Yeah that's what she's
doing to Mark's hair right now.
Kiri: apart from he doesn't have very
much hair left.
Skip: but that's static electricity
rather than charged electricity.
Russ: charged electricity.
Russ: what's the difference though?
Skip: and yet there isn't.
Russ: I didn't think so.
Skip: because the static electricity
can be harnessed and still used as current.
Kiri: okay, sidetracking for a moment.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: sidetracking for a moment,
totally off on a different track.
Skip: go ahead.
Kiri: okay, how are we......I want a
progress report on your projects.
Russ: the 10,000 people.
Russ: I don't have one so I've got a
month to work on it though so....
Kiri: yeah but just interest for my
Skip: I think I've got it pretty well
figured out to where I come down at okay but I want
to do a little bit more research.
Kiri: okay, that's good, that's good.
Skip: I really do because I'm looking
at how they're going to handle summer, winter.....
Skip: growing seasons, water,
Skip: light and dark.....
Skip: housing and a growing period and
what can be grown.
Kiri: okay, have you looked at
environmental factors such as the safety of the
land, the surrounding areas, precipitation?
Skip: a little bit but not that much
because there's several different areas where this
can be established to defend yourself against wild
animals or even if the 10,000 people split up and
they become two tribes or four tribes or whatever,
still set up a defensive environment with still all
the other things with it.
Kiri: uh-huh, you've thought this out
very carefully, I'm impressed.
Skip: well the defensive idea or mode
of this thing is going to be of the lowest priority
for me. The biggest priority is feeding these
Kiri: oh of course.
Skip: and housing them and clothing
them and being able to make it through the year.
Kiri: uh-huh, I've actually picked a
location that I believe is ideal but I can't
Skip: no, no, no, no, no, just let me
pick out my own location.
Kiri: of course, of course but also
what I want to do when I tell you my location is to
pick fault with it.
Skip: no, I don't think
Kiri: when the month time is up.
Kiri: okay let's...
Skip: I've been working on it.
Kiri: that's good, that's great,
a nice little project isn't it?
Kiri: it keeps you very.......gives
you lots of things to think about and lots of
variable factors. Now why did I give you guys this
Skip: to keep our mind occupied
Kiri: and there is a learning lesson
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: there's a learning lesson behind
Skip: oh is that right?
Kiri: uh-huh. I will reveal that at
the end of the month.
Kiri: okay Russ, how are you doing? I
know you haven't thought about anything as you just
said that you didn't.
Russ: right. I have some questions
Russ: and that is, we are picking a
place on earth.
Kiri: that's correct.
Russ: now, is this place prior to
Kiri: no, it is right now.
Skip: oh right now?
Kiri: yes but the planet is
uninhabited with what you have on your planet.
Skip: ohh right now?
Russ: let's say it's a major city,
wouldn't you have to deal with the buildings and
stuff that are already there or do you imagine that
they're not there?
Skip: that changes a lot.
Kiri: there's nothing there,
nothing there, it is your planet as it is now but
with no inhabitants and no history. It's a fresh
planet but your planet now in your 20th.....
Russ: so we have to imagine a place in
present time without the buildings.
Skip: okay, the cites are gone. Okay
there's no hard top and cement.
Russ: but there wouldn't be any trees
Skip: that would be correct.
Russ: because that would be the future
and not a past time when there were trees and then
they were all cut down to put the city in.
Skip: that's right. The city's gone.
Russ: so the city is gone but so are
everything that would've been there prior to the
city being there.
Kiri: correct. It is right now. For
Russ: these are important keys for me
to know before I start making any serious....
Kiri: let's take your current location
right? 200 years ago it was a nicely tree'd area.
Kiri: where the trees weren't too
densely, they weren't tight together,
didn't have all the diseases and everything that
they have now. It's now but the houses aren't there,
the people aren't there.
Skip: okay alright I
gotcha, I gotcha, that changes things.
Kiri: I should've been more clearer on
Russ: no but I was thinking about that
right after I left and going, "wait a minute, what
do I've got to plan on here."
Kiri: yeah it is.....
Russ: because I was planning on
looking back at the past and seeing, well okay
Kiri: no, that would make it too easy.
Skip: yeah because we'd have known
exactly where to set it up in the past.
Skip: because of what flourished.
Skip: okay but if we're setting it up
now and all the cities are gone.....
Russ: yeah, what didn't flourish?
Skip: and everything's bare where the
Russ: Virginia City used to be a city
of 10,000 souls.
Skip: I realize that but that was a
mining town too.
Skip: so was Butte Montana, they had
over a 100,000 people in it at one time but it was a
mining town and nothing would grow there. Did you
Skip: on account of the mine waste and
the stuff that was dumped out on the ground.
Kiri: that's something else you have
to take into consideration.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: that's something else you have
to take into.....
Russ: now are we dealing.....
Skip: now we know.
Russ: now are we dealing with
pollution that's there in the area?
Skip: that's right, dealing with
pollution and yet not the buildings and stuff that
put it there.
Skip: okay. That changes.....
Russ: that means you can't put it in
any current, civilized place due to the fact that
the pollution there would probably kill any plants
you're trying to grow or leave you residual stuff
that would cause birth defects in the future.
Skip: well not only that but your
pollution like you say would be so great that
nothing would grow there anyhow.
Skip: and don't try to use the Los
Russ: oh no, that's gone.
Skip: because that is called the
valley of smoke even back before a city was there.
Kiri: you see, it's not as easy as you
thought it was going to be.
Russ: no I just had to know what the
rules were before I start thinking about it
Kiri: well I do have e-mail Russ.
Russ: well I know darling but I don't
want to bother you when you're busy, I know how busy
Kiri: yeah, I do actually. Talking of
busy, can we somehow lighten her load?
Russ: that's not till after the
delegates go through.
Kiri: yeah I know.
Russ: the dignitaries. Until then
she's got responsibilities that she can't break away
Skip: yeah that's true too, she's got
Russ: and she knows that and I know
that but there's not anything that can be done.
Skip: that's why I backed off and just
told her to relax.
Kiri: yeah she looks very, very tired.
Kiri: I offered the guestroom for her
to sleep in as long as she wants. I know she'll only
sleep for a couple of hours and then go back to her
residence and work some more.
Kiri: how much time have do we have
left on the recording?
Skip: oh I have no idea, Russ will
have to take a look at that.
Russ: oh about five minutes.
Kiri: okay we can burn through
that....we can chat idly.
Russ: actually eight minutes and 30
Skip: you ornry thing. Oh no.
Kiri: you timing again?
Russ: no, just took a look at the tape
Kiri: uh-huh, okay. You think you're
Russ: no but I'm just past experience.
I've been doing this for how many years I've been
doing this? Seen so many tapes going through right
now, you can get it down to a point where you can
figure this all out.
Kiri: uh-huh. I don't even bother
looking at the chronometer, it's just sort of
like.....we'll talk until it's done. But okay, so
the project is to find a spot that can be colonized
on your planet in the current time that it's at with
all the problems that.....
Skip: and 10,000 people.
Kiri: 10,000 people
Russ: now what kind of technologies
does this 10,000 people have when they get here?
Skip: oh yeah okay, yeah.
Kiri: how are they getting to your
Skip: they're getting here by
Russ: oh well there's the question, if
they're getting here by spaceship then, they've got
high-technology tools to terraform the area they're
Skip: so it's possible they've got
good technology.....right, right. They have
Russ: so we're talking terraforming.
Skip: yeah but they'd still have to
use a certain amount of hand tools too.
Russ: maybe, we don't know.
Russ: well what if it was a bunch of
Sirians coming down right now?
Skip: a bunch of what?
Russ: Sirians. Let's say 10,000
Sirians came down and set up a colony right now.
Good God, they have enough stuff they'd never have
to go near a city.
Skip: I thought we was talking about
Russ: yeah we are but, Sirians are
Kiri: genetically yes......
Skip: no cigar.
Kiri: genetically........no I don't
like cigars, the kind of make me itch afterwards.
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Russ: see they would have technology,
they would need to be in a city. They could just....
Skip: yeah that's true.
Kiri: ahh you want to bet? When we do
or when we did the colonizing in the past, we didn't
bring all our high-tech technology because it's
bulky, cumbersome and takes up valuable space that
is used for other things.
Skip: that's true too.
Kiri: and why take quantities of
material such as lumber, ceramics when that's going
to be available there anyway?
Skip: oh yeah it's all here.
Russ: ships could be broken down into
very usable parts.
Skip: it's all here, you don't have
Russ: you have to figure that
there's going to be ships they could break down.
Kiri: well why break down a ship if
that's going to be........if something goes wrong on
the colony or something happens and you find that
the world is unsuitable because of seismic activity,
you've broken down your lifeboat to escape?
Skip: yeah you don't take your ship
Kiri: uh-huh. And, if you land your
ship on the planet and start dismantling it, where
are the people going to sleep whilst you're
Russ: well you can always......yeah
Kiri: okay, where you can put them if
they become sick? How are you going to feed them if
you dismantle where your hydroponic chambers are?
How are you going to......but to think that if
you're an advanced technology and you're colonizing
a planet, what would be on board your ship? How big
would your ship be? Big enough to have some.....
Skip: pretty good size. Yeah, it'd
have to be a good size.
Russ: they would have multiple ships,
at least three like the.....
Skip: no, not really.
Russ: you could have one for just
carrying supplies, one for carrying the people, one
for carrying the rest of the......
Skip: uh-uh, no you've already said
that your technology already advanced, you don't
have to carry supplies other than....the supplies
that you would only need would be tools.
Russ: no you need things for defense,
things for hunting, offense, things for....
Skip: well yeah that's.....you come
back down to tools again.
Skip: because if you have the tools,
you can make anything.
Kiri: okay, here's a little
suggestion. You two decide on what technology level
you're at. Okay, let's make it a little......let's
give you two months and you're going to plan the
total trip, manifest, location, don't forget, it's
20th century Earth, no inhabitants on there but as
Russ: yeah you have to scouted it out.
Kiri: yeah you're going to
have the whole entire ship's manifest, categories of
people doing what, everything that you're going to
need to colonize a planet plus the location. I'll
give you two months to do that. Or we can do the
other one where you just find the location that
you're going to be colonizing that has all the
suitable requirements. Which are you guys want to
Russ: I will do the second
one......the two-month thing, I like the challenge.
Kiri: okay Skip?
Skip: I'll go for it.
Kiri: okay you've got two months to
come up with a full......
Russ: now how much are we talking, how
much capacity has the ship got to hold, did we
Kiri: it's your ship.
Russ: I can make a pretty, big damn
Russ: I don't know what the laws of
physics are for bigger ships.
Skip: no, the laws of physics don't
count because technology's ahead of it. Now there's
been some of course Hollywood style okay? Where
there's been 2 million people on a ship.
Skip: two and a half
million in fact. In "The Visitors", they had....
Russ: 10,000 people could get lost in
a ship that size.
Skip: sure you would but "The
Visitors", they had over 30,000 people on one ship.
Skip: the new one had 1,800 on it just
Kiri: and only one bathroom.
Skip: everybody carried Porta Potty's.
Skip: no, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, you gotta think.
Skip: two months puts us at 1rst of
Russ: now is this.......are we
talking.....are we talking hydro..I mean are we
cryogenically freezing people, putting them in
suspended animation during the trip?
Kiri: that's up to you.
Russ: I mean are they living and
breathing during the trip?
Skip: that would have to be your
Russ: so it have to be their ancestors
Kiri: that's up to you.
Skip: be your choice.
Russ: well I mean the crew would have
Skip: now okay, now one other question
I need to ask you. How long are we going to be in
Kiri: got to work with the laws of
Russ: which are? We don't know the
laws of physics in space.
Kiri: then you've got to find out.
Russ: we don't have that information
really, not for something
that big a project.
Kiri: let's say it's a five year trip.
Skip: five year trip?
Russ: five year trip.
Skip: that's fair enough.
Kiri: okay, five year trip.
Russ: I can work with that.
Skip: five years okay and you've got
10,000 people, all right, gives
me what I need to know.
Kiri: so that will give you guys
something to think about.
Skip: first of September you want a
Kiri: before things start to get
hectic around the apartment.
Russ: okay, very cool. Hey by the way,
do the Brotherhood of Light have any kind of logo or
symbol or anything?
Kiri: probably, probably
for easy earth recognition for the people that
they're dealing with but what it is, don't ask me.
Russ: I don't know, I know
what Ashtar Command's is, that's pretty easy.
Russ: it's an A with a little
spaceship in the bottom or in the middle.
Kiri: with a wing.
Russ: yeah with a wing right.
Kiri: I never liked that design.
Russ: I didn't either, I'm thinking of
tweaking it out a bunch.
Kiri: hey, it's all over the base.
Russ: well that's what I'm thinking of
doing, I'm thinking of taking that design and just
really just bringing it up to the 21st century.
Kiri: which 21st-century? Are we
talking 21st A.D. or BC?
Russ: 21st-century, third dimensional
Kiri: ahh okay. I was about to say,
are we talking Sirius.....
Russ: that's the weakest graphic I've
ever seen. I mean I understand that it works good
it's easily understandable but still it's
Kiri: you have to remember also, it
comes in different colors and incarnations on the
base as well.
Kiri: three-dimensional, metallic,
reversed. Some of them are obtuse like, you know
there is a logo that right outside the corner bar?
eating and drinking establishment near Kiri, Tia and
Hades Base logo?
Russ: I did not know that. Hades Base
has got a logo?
Kiri: no the Ashtar....
Russ: Ashtar Command logo yeah.
Kiri: but you look at the garden
there, you'll see it in the garden.
Kiri: but the only time that you'll
see the whole entire thing, is early, early in the
morning and you don't get up that early.
Russ: no I don't.
Kiri: I've been up that early a few
times, leaving the corner bar.
Kiri: hey, I was sober, well
Russ: you were just staying awake to
Kiri: no, just enjoying myself.
Russ: all right well I'm going to
tweak that symbol out a bit and....
Kiri: a few Sirian clarets.
Russ: I might work on designing a
Brotherhood of Light symbol too.
Kiri: you'll have to ask them.
Kiri: okay I think the tape's about
no, we've got another.....oh, should've been done
two minutes ago.
Skip: well darling, you have a good
Kiri: you too.
Skip: I'm going to head down the hill
THE TAPE ENDS
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