Archivist Notes: While not a common occurrence
luckily, this night's recording had some
bleed through from a CB unit which could only
be heard on playback but is an irritating
addition for the first half of the
session and a little bit of side two.
The previous night, there had been an Internet
channeling session and some some of the content discussed this night was
in regards to that and an incident the week prior
where I had let someone into my
shields who was able to
probe my mind.
Getting this memorable
session started is Omal revisiting the topic of moral development
consistent with sixth dimensional
thinking. The morals of having to terminate someone's
existence or not are reviewed from
the karmic side of the responsibilities
involved should society
breakdown. He covers absolute
morals as well as Ashtar who has
a short and
serious warning concerning
away too much
information about my
to anyone including
why that is so
can never be
my mentor in
gives me some
them I use to
this day. Tia
out the ground
rules I asked
for to give us
Karra who only
has time to
the privacy of
two gets going
God complex in
A topic she
has some familiarity
with and something
and how it is
power of the
wraps up her
she had given
me I found
a charm. Kiri
gives a very
well as the
is a technique
best left to the
residents of higher
the final talk
the ease by
which she can
to probe my
This of course
leads to the
night with an
to a common
Tia: oh, I see, I get the picture. Well hello
and welcome, straight down to business, put the first
(Omal sets the tone for side
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ and
how are you functioning apart from in a relaxed, tired
state of consciousness?
Russ: well not bad, trying to provide something
substantive and helpful for tonightís session.
Omal: okay let us proceed and continue where we left
off on moral development. Seems to be the topic of the
moment don't you think?
Russ: last couple days certainly.
Omal: okay, let us first of
all address last night's channeling session over the
Internet. Poor Tia, worked herself hard and worked
the host body very hard. She did a good job, needs
to brush up on her spelling and understanding of the
linguistics involved in the English language. Tia
will be the first to admit that her English is not
perfect. Okay, having got that out of the way and
her discussion on morals is a very good and intense
subject to discuss. We have full confidence in the
selected individuals that are channeling for this,
we will have Tia and Kiri as our main speakers.
Okay, down to business. Morals and the development
thereof in conjunction with sixth dimensional
thinking and the purpose and behavioral patterns
connected with telepathy and the morals. Certain
morals are used to protect individuals from
embarrassing or dangerous situations. For example,
as was demonstrated last week, probing somebody
without their consent. It is not morally wrong nor
is it morally right, it is a call on the individual
but probing nonetheless has to be consensual to
achieve the maximum benefit for both individuals
concerned. If it is not consensual, whether it is
subconscious, it has to be spoken verbally or
telepathically so that the individual that is the
probee can have full access to the information that
is being probed by the prober. For example, delving
into oneís past experiences and looking at each one
independently can be beneficial if both parties are
consensual in this matter. This is one of the
important necessary developments when using
telepathy. Telepathy on a communication level is
basic vocalization or sub vocalization of what is
going through the mind and being projected at a
person. It is quicker and faster then the vocal
communication but, probing on the other hand, should
be done with images so that both parties can analyze
and look at the pictures as long as the probee is
consensual. But, where does the morals come into
this? Well is it morally right to probe somebodyís
mind? Yes and no. If it is consensual, then it is
morally right. If it is not consensual and done with
speed and harm to the probee, then that is morally
wrong. It is a call by the individuals. But the
morals necessary to achieve this point where you
become a being of a higher consciousness are
developed by the individual on the lower level. What
is right as was raised last night?
it right to kill somebody? Yes and no. Why yes and
no? Well there are certain situations where it
becomes dangerous for others and yourself and it is
necessary to terminate the existence of the
aggressor. In itself, that has moral ramifications.
Are you ready to accept the responsibilities of the
individuals that are connected with the person that
has been terminated? Tia tried to elaborate on this
last night and it needs to be elaborated on more.
When a termination occurs, there is obviously the
anger and retribution coming from the friends and
associates of the terminated, they
wish revenge. It doesnít matter if it is somebody
that is of a very nasty and aggressive nature, there
is still people that think that person is a good
person and they want revenge. They want revenge in
either incarceration or termination of the
terminator. This leaves open to serious problems
that opens up a cycle which can occur. If it is
necessary to terminate the friends and associates of
the terminated, then that in itself can open up even
more karmic problems. This is where karma comes into
play, when it is necessary
to terminate somebody on a one-on-one, then you have
to think of the karmic ramifications and the
necessary interactions of the individuals involved
in this matter. When a termination occurs en mass of
a large majority of individuals, this in itself is
something that needs to be looked at and addressed.
For example, in a hostile situation such as a riot
or a war where individuals are trying to take from
some other individuals, their existence and ipso
facto trying to terminate them, that itself comes
outside the karmic loop. What transpires is that an
individual happens to defend
themselves against a mass group of individuals may
have to find it necessary to terminate a few of
those individual's existence before the group
realizes that it is in itself is in a dangerous
situation. In the process, the terminator may become
terminated himself but again, how does this interact
with the morals? First of all, you should not get
yourself in a situation that you need to terminate a
mass group of individualís existence but
sometimes that happens. There is nothing that you, I
or anybody can do about it except if you are a grand
paramount coercer. And there are so few of those
on the sixth dimension that even in their
environment it would be hard. Being able to use the
morals necessary to stay out of that trouble and
deciding that it would be better to cut oneís losses
in itself is a moral question. Do you give the
individuals that are the group the joy of having
what you have worked so hard for? That is a decision
only you can answer and it is built in with your
morals. It is a moral decision whether or not you
leave your food, property etc. behind
and if so, would it be beneficial for those people
to have that property. So by addressing these very
simple basic morals. Now a question last night was
asked, are there certain morals that are absolute?
Yes there are. Love all things, that is an absolute.
There was another one that was on there, there was
three actually. Love all things, do not steal or
rather do not steal and get caught. It is necessary
sometimes to steal for existence and in doing so,
you will put yourself in a situation where
retribution may be demanded. So, if you have to
steal, try not to get caught. As Tia put it, there
are certain countries that tend to remove limbs for
the punishment of stealing. Love thy neighbor as
thyself, that was not on there but it should of been
put on there. You can kill through love if necessary
if your neighbor becomes a hostile, it is always the
last, last resort to terminate their existence. In
doing so, you must again be prepared to take the
responsibilities that come with that but, it should
read love thy neighbor as much as possible. Thou
shalt not kill unless there is no other way, that is
an absolute. If it is your survival or a survival of
individuals that you are affiliated with, then it
becomes necessary to kill, to terminate and in doing
so again you must be prepared to take on the karmic
retribution that is necessary. So all these things
are linked through karma. They are linked morally,
they are decisions that you have to weigh the odds.
There are clauses, morals are not absolute there are
absolute morals but they are not totally,
can be changed and adjusted to situations but the
basic underlying is there. Do you have any questions
Russ: I've got a couple.
Russ: first off, when you mentioned about two people
Russ: explain a little about that.
Omal: yes, when you probe, there should be pictures
generated that both parties can see. We will let our
prober if it is consensual demonstrate.
Russ: now, is that normally used for in conversation
mode or that strictly just a teaching thing? It sounds
like it could be pretty slow.
Omal: if it is done correctly, it is very fast because
there are no words involved. The feelings and emotions
are there. The experiences being relayed, it is almost
Omal: afterwards, then the questions are asked and
itís looked at. Next question please.
Russ: okay, as far as killing goes, it seems like you
had third dimensional or sixth dimensional, there
should always be an option to get out of it. Wouldnít
just the killing part be you know, just an easy way
Omal: I said, that there are certain times where it is
impossible to get away from that.
Russ: well the point Iím asking is, it might seem
impossible but only because you havenít delved through
every situation in the moments beforehand but thatís
only because being third dimensional, we arenít
thinking as hard or as fast a level as the sixth
Omal: sometimes you do not have time to think of
Omal: let us say you are in a room, you are in a
corner. You have a sword in your hand. The person in
front of you has a 9 mm that youíre so fond of. You
can thrust and kill them and get it over and done with
so that they will not have time to pull the trigger on
you. If you wound them, they may still pull the
trigger, they may still come after you. Can you take
Omal: that is a situation which should never occur but
unfortunately it does occur. Next question.
Russ: okay, as far as the absolute morals go?
Russ: in loving all things, youíre also loving your
neighbor as thyself.
Russ: so that's probably why it was written, because itís all
basically the same thing.
Russ: okay, but in loving all things, canít you be
able to teach that so that others you know hopefully
in the same situation will learn?
Omal: it starts.....the teaching starts at a very
early age. Up here I believe that it starts when the
person is still in the fetal stage. Communication,
laying out the basic principles that are to be
developed later on. Next question and final question.
Russ: okay, in that sort of teaching, what would you
do to discourage somebody who is learning or starting
to become hateful once in a while?
Omal: hate once in a while is a good thing. To hate
squalor, to hate people that push other people down.
You can use that hate as a tool. Not to destroy but to
build. By using hate to focus and to teach, sometimes
by a harsh action in itself is a useful tool. We will
give an explanation at another time on hate.
Russ: okay thank you.
Omal: okay thank you, I will be back.
back for another quick transition.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work,
work, work. No rest for the wicked.
Russ: I donít know anything about that.
Tia: yes, and if I'm wicked, this must make me
downright evil. Okay, next speaker.
(Ashtar takes his place in the
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations Mr.
Hatfield, let us get down and straight to business.
No, I am not the prober. Let us address matters
concerning shielding. Yes you have been waiting for
this. Shielding and consensual probing concerning last
weekís incident. From what I have heard, there was no
consent from you. Even on a subconscious, maybe you
let her in subconsciously you said I quote. No you did
not. Why did she access your shields so quickly? This
was done by playing a soothing tune. Doing so made it
easy for her to lower your shields. This cannot happen
again due to the fact if it happens once, it can
happen again and again. The root command that you have
to stabilize your shields must be known by you and you
alone. No other person, not even your mind soul or
twin soul. You do not know hers, so why should she
know yours? It is not a selfish thing, it
is a necessary thing. This dovetails with Omalís
dissertations. It is morally wrong to put yourself in
the debt or in an opportune position for somebody to
dominate you. To control your mind and to probe you.
That is an absolute moral. Never
put yourself in the position where you are totally and
utterly bound by debt to someone. That leaves open a
karmic circle which must not be repeated. So that is a
absolute moral. Questions.
Russ: oh, should I change that then I take it?
Ashtar: tell no one.
Ashtar: it is a protection for you and for us. Next
Russ: so I should set it up it up in a layer would
probably be the best.
Ashtar: whatever convenient for you.
Russ: okay thank you.
Ashtar: youíre welcome.
(Tia returns for a longer stay.)
Tia: consider yourself told off.
Russ: you know, hereís the point that....
Tia: you didnít know.
Russ: no this is the lesson for me. I trust explicitly
everyone from the sixth dimension, especially those
who are on the base.
Russ: and I would never even think that one of them or
any of you would use any knowledge you got in any way
harmful against me knowing how the sixth dimension
Tia: yes true, true but I think what
Ashtar was trying to say is that things happen
inadvertently. Let us take a scenario. You and Nazreal
are messing around. (Karraís adult son)
Tia: right? Youíve got your shields up, heís got his
shields up. You do something that pushes a little
button on him right? That irritates him and he may
want to slap you down and just say ďenough is enoughĒ
and he tries that vocally but youíre too fired up. Now
if youíve told his mother, heís going to figure out
that itís going to be something simple because youíve
told his mother or she may inadvertently let it slip.
Youíre irritating him so he switches your shields off
and slaps you down and says ďenough is enoughĒ and it
causes anguish on your part. Thatís what I think
Ashtar was trying to say is avoiding anguish.
Russ: hmm, I see.
Russ: good lesson.
Tia: yes, it is an important lesson.
Russ: I hate it when he probes me like that.
Tia: he didnít probe you.
Russ: no but heís testing my shields.
Tia: uh-huh, he tested your shields but he didnít
Russ: yeah I know, I wouldíve known if I got probed.
Russ: but it feels like every time he comes in, itís
like Iíve got 10 tons of water just got dumped on my
head and Iíve got to keep it off.
Tia: and itís not over yet.
Russ: I know, me and Bunny are going to play around a
Tia: yes but the special guests are not over yet.
Russ: (laughs) Iím not in this today, damn.
Tia: Iím sorry.
Russ: all right love, Iíve got a learn how to deal
with it when Iím in the worst shape possible. Might as
well get itÖ.
Tia: Ashtar and the other guests showed up
Russ: I guess.
Tia: thatís what I said work, work, work, work, work,
work, work, work.
Russ: I knew there were problems when Omal came on
instantly without you going through your spiel.
Tia: uh-huh okay.
Russ: one moment.
Tia: (sighs) sorry.
Russ: thatís all right.
Tia: should have tried to warn you somehow.
Russ: no, I need the practice.
(Korton make a rare appearance.)
Korton: greetings Russ, let us address communication
and the necessary of the linguistics involved that it
is as I have always stated important to be eloquent.
Slurring of speech is unacceptable. I know you do not
do this but it is important for all people to
understand that it is important to communicate crisply
and clearly. Now when communicating, you communicate
as direct as possible. Analogies are a good tool to
use. When you talk, it is a learning experience for
other people on what you are saying. People know more
about you by the way that you communicate, by the way
that you manipulate your vocal cords to communicate.
For example, if somebody speaks sloppily, uses a lot
of expletives and slang, what does this tell us? This
tells us that they are sloppy in their communication,
they are probably uneducated, they probably do not
grasp fully what is trying to be explained to them. It
is fine to use slang when talking with your friends
and associates but, on a professional level, you
cannot communicate and say you know. You have to
explain why they should know. It has been brought to
my attention that when you communicate with somebody
explaining something, you will use occasionally slang
and occasionally the phrase that I hate, you know.
This should not be taken for granted that somebody
knows. If they know, they will let you know because
even if they do know and they do not interrupt, they
may learn something. So to portray yourself as an
eloquent speaker tells more about you than just your
physical appearance. It tells them that you are
educated, you are considerate, you are intelligent.
All these things are important when you communicate.
It is necessary to give the air as a communicator that
you know what you are talking about, that you are easy
to understand and you are intelligent. Questions.
Russ: yes, one thing I have that goes against that
last statement is that oftentimes Iíll find myself
affecting other peopleís form of communication when
Iím talking to them. For example, someone using slang
or expletives. I do that on purpose generally because
it takes me to a level where they can understand me
better and accept what Iím saying when Iím teaching
instead of going and thinking I am above them in that
Korton: yes, that is acceptable to lower yourself to
their level but, what are you trying to do? Youíre
trying to bring them up to a higher level.
Korton: you have to get them from using the expletives
and the slang. It is easier for them to be understood
by other people if you do so. As a teacher, your
purpose is to increase the intelligence of the people.
If theyíre constantly using expletives and slang, then
it is more difficult for people to understand them out
of their peer group. The language that you speak,
English, has certain protocols that are used by well
speaking individuals that everybody understands. You
can understand me clearly and crisply as I
communicate. Other people can understand me clearly
and crisply as I communicate. Expletives have
their place, slang has its place but when you are
teaching, the thing that you are trying to do is to
increase the intelligence and bring the person up to a
higher level if they are of less intelligence. If they
are of greater intelligence and have not learned to
speak correctly, they will understand that by the way
that you are communicating that it is logical and
easier to understand so that they will start to mimic.
Now it is not a put down when you do that. When you
are dealing with somebody that uses a lot of slang and
expletives, it is fine to use them yourself a lot like
they would to start off with but as you talk and
communicate with them, you decrease and decrease and
decrease until you are not using any and they will do
likewise. They will mimic you. More questions.
Russ: yes, now once you start doing that with that
person, wonít that then feed off of them into their
Russ: and basically itís a trickle-down effect from
Korton: correct, gradually and slowly.
Russ: I see.
Korton: so it is not one person you are communicating
Russ: right. So it's best to talk to
these people as often as you can once you start the
Russ: to keep that teaching process going and then
bring in the others of their peer group into it and
seeing the same effect take place there.
Russ: I see, understandableÖÖokay.
Korton: so it is a useful tool when you communicate.
You have to first of all get their interest,
communicate with them on a level that they understand
and then pull them up.
Korton: more questions.
Russ: okay, how do you encourage them once they get to
that point to start using more educated phrases? Is it
just your use of them sure, but won't
they see themselves as being outcast from their group
at that point?
Korton: no they wonít. If their friends are good
friends, their friends will accept them as they are.
If not, they will continue to use that form of
communication with their peer group. When interacting
with people outside of their peer group, they will use
what they have learned.
Russ: I see, so sooner or later their friends might
start changing and their peer group might change?
Russ: I understand.
Korton: take for example when you first arrived here.
You were hanging around with people that I believe you
would call lowlifes?
Russ: party animals.
Korton: party animals. Do you hang around with that
Russ: oh no.
Korton: since you have become more eloquent or have
become re-eloquent, you have found that that group of
individuals is frustratingÖ..
Korton: so therefore you have grown, you have moved to
a new peer group. You still interact with some of that
other peer group and they have changed also.
Russ: hmm, so this is also feeds over into
the Internet where Iím using the webpage in that same
Russ: okay, so a grade point average on my
eloquence in the webpage?
Russ: thank you, from you thatís a compliment.
Korton: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
(Omal is back to answer a quick question.)
Omal: okay Russ, I donít need to go over the last two
speakers. I think they are quiteÖ.
Omal: quite eloquent and precise and to the point and
they know what they are doing anyway.
Russ: yes, it would be redundant.
Omal: yes it would be. I cannot add anything as they
have covered all the bases. Do you have any questions
Russ: I had one for Korton I was going to ask but it
was off the subject so I didnít bother but Iíll check
with you real quick and just get a real quick feed off
of you. I know that the as we call it the Arcturian
Council or conferenceÖ
Russ: is being discussed again.
Russ: I kind of want to get an idea of you know what
your guy's opinion on this.
Omal: my opinion, my opinion is that it is a good
thing. We are off to a Council meeting and
that is one of the things that is on our agenda
Omal: I do not foresee a vote tonight.
Omal: but the Council and the representatives
here for the Council meeting will be
discussing it. We will vote at a later time more than
likely on whether or not it should be submitted for a
vote by a higher Council.
Russ: well certainly what Korton said does apply a lot
in that situation.
Russ: the fact that eloquence will be a key
point in this in making sure everyoneís or at least us
are speaking from a point of view thatís quite
Russ: thank you.
Omal: okay, I will hand back our resident ring
(Tia gets us ready for side two.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: theyíre giving me a real workout tonight arenít
Russ: that was interesting, it was almost as if Korton
had talked to Ashtar and Ashtar had figured out what
my shields were doing....
Russ: because Korton came and tested from a
completely different point of view.
Tia: well they probably did.
Russ: they probably did.
Russ: I had to switch frequencies on my shields to try
to keep Korton out.
Russ: what a workout.
Tia: you think youíre getting a workout, I feel like a
puppet sometimes when those two are around. It's up
and down, up and down, up and down, up and
down.....(sighs) okay, point taken, I
could do with the exercise. Okay now quickly, let me
see. They've cut in on my time on my dissertation, do
you have any questions for me?
Russ: yeah, the incident the other night with the
Russ: it seems like it was a correction as the stock
market analysts are calling it.
Tia: yes and if you remember, I did say there would be
Russ: right, and it was the biggest drop since 1978 or
Russ: right, it was one of two.
Russ: all right and then the other question is about
what I was asking Mark last night about setting up for
the guestbook group for the channeling sessions?
Tia: oh yes, yes, yes. Omal and myself were discussing
that earlier on.
Russ: it seems to me it would save a lot of time being
in the fact that these people already know you, know
if youíre going to have a topic, what the topic's
going to be about.
Tia: okay, next weekís topic will be handled by Kiri
and it will be on fifth dimensionalism and sixth
dimensionalism. Or it should be, dispelling the myth
of fifth dimensional ascension.
Russ: all right and Iíll go ahead and talk to Kiri
about that when she comes in.
Tia: yeah. But it will be handledÖÖ.Kiri will be
Russ: so I want to set some ground rules down when I
send out this thing but I want the ground rules set up
by you two beforehand.
Russ: so that you know we can use the same ground
rules whenever you're channeling or whenever sheís
channeling, everybody knows them already.
Russ: so maybe you can work with her on
that at some point between speakers here.
Tia: okay. We will go over it, I will hand you over to,
let me see yeah, I can hand you over to the next
speaker. The tape's getting close to being ready to be
flipped, want to check?
Russ: sure, we've still got a bunch left.
Tia: yeah, thatís what I mean. I donít want to cut
Russ: we can talk a little bit then if you want.
Tia: okay, let us say ground rules. No
questions of a personal nature concerning the speakers,
about yourself, who are you, etc.
Russ: wait a minute, you mean as in the people asking
questions, don't want to ask questions about their
personal lives like what were my past lives like or
Tia: yes, something like that.
Russ: but not about you, personal questions about
Tia: well about for example who are you? Meaning
meÖ.explain about yourselfÖ.we donít have time for
Tia: yes, just check the bios. No technical data.
These are just things that we can work with and fiddle
around. No predictions. Stick to the topic as much as
possible. Limited time of an hour and a half maximum
because it seems to take more of a strain on the host
or Mark on his body when heís typing like that almost
Russ: why donít you make it an hour? That way you
could do it weekly and it's not going to be such a
burnout. Letís set it up for an hour.
Tia: okay, set it up for an hour.
Russ: if it goes more than an hour, thatís your fault.
Tia: yeah. Other ground rulesÖÖ.be patient with the
answers, they may take some time to come due to the
fact that it has to come through a relay of a host
body and as fast as we can manipulate the fingers is
as fast as we can go. Thatís a good one. Talking
amongst yourselves is acceptable as long as it follows
the topic being discussed. Side issues will be
addressed at a later time. Questions should be in the
form of a question, not in a dissertation or in a
paragraph, try to keep them as
precise as possible. Thatís another good one I think,
donít you agree Russ?
Russ: Iíve never really seen anything like that coming
Tia: yeah but there has been in the past.
Russ: has it?
Tia: that you have to read a lot of background
information before you get to the question.
Tia: I try, I donít know how Kiri does it, to explain
as best as I can through either using analogies or by
answering the question as best as I can. Joking and
humor is acceptable but donít push it too far because
sometimes it is necessary to take a heavy subject and
throw in a slippery surface, banana skin.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, any more questions?
Tia: okay, we covered most of the protocol and rules.
Russ: yeah, we got enough there.
Tia: uh-hmm. Okay, you and Karra can brush that up in
tidy it up. Itís just preliminary ideas.
Russ: yeah I donít want to throw too much at them.
Russ: turn them off from coming in the
whole place in the first place.
Tia: correct. Set up "The Communicators" as a retreat
for private discussions as well for people on the
guest list. If they want to go somewhere private to
talk but tell them not to change the topic because
other guests into the room may want to be able to just
go, "ahh, last week they disused morals"
and so on. You know what I mean?
Tia: so, all the people on the guest list should have
Tia: go through the guest list with
Mark or send him a copy so he that knows who is on
there because there are some people
that may not be......
Russ: there isnít anybody he knows on there.
Tia: oh, okay.
Russ: theyíre all people that you know have written to
me but donít actually go access through theÖ
Tia: Spirit Chat.
Russ: Spirit Chat right? A
Tia: oh, okay. Oh yeah, well Seabreeze was a new one
last night to me.
Russ: yes, she wasn't on the guest list.
Russ: not that I know of anyway.
Tia: no and Starcat. I've met Starcat
before, I like her name.
Russ: I better tell him to have a handle ready too.
Russ: because a lot of these people don't go into that
Tia: yeah true, true.
Tia: okay, tape's going to be ready in a few seconds
or a minute or so.
Russ: (taking notes.)....donít change topics.
Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Karra comes on to wrap up
Russ: hi Karra.
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Karra: I am doing well. Okay, healers dissertation
Russ: wait, let me check the tape. Letís wait on your
dissertation time darling.
Russ: letís just talk among ourselves here.
Karra: Ashtar is correct but you can trust me
Russ: darling if I didn't, I wouldnít bother
even you know having shieldsÖ..
Karra: uh-huh but heís very correct. Unintentionally,
I could give out that information.
Russ: yeah butÖÖ..well I suppose.
Russ: I donít see you knowÖI guess I canít see every
possibility thatís out there.
Karra: well Ashtar tries to see as many possibilities
Russ: well he gets more than both of us could ever do.
Karra: oh yes, I think we could think of a
hundred possibilities and get stumped and he would
come up with a hundred and first, hundred and second,
hundred and third and so on.
Russ: itís nice having him once in a while into the
Karra: yes, I would prefer not to know if you know
what I mean.
Russ: yeah darling, I will.
Karra: as much as I love you, I donít want that
Russ: Iíll catch it like it four the morning, Iíll
figure it out when youíre asleep.
Karra: well you know how to lock me out of your mind don't
Russ: I try not to.
Karra: yes I know.
Russ: not on purpose anyway.
Russ: so anyway, I don't keep you up at
night when Iím working on stuff do I?
Karra: any more questions?
Russ: (laughs) no, just that one darling.
Karra: canít answer that one.
Russ: just don't like knowing Iím keeping you from
doing something like sleeping or something.
Karra: sleeping's not important, I donít need to
Russ: well I guess that's both....
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra begins her dissertation.)
Karra: Karraís brief dissertation on
healing concerning mental well-being of the healer and a
common thing that occurs from time to time with all healers
is occasionally the God syndrome. I can cure anything, I am
capable of healing everyone. Now why does this happen? Well
it happens frequently and all healers will suffer from it
from time to time because being able to heal, make somebody
feel better, makes you feel good and the more successes you
have, the stronger this feeling gets. Now normally when it
occurs, it occurs briefly. Iíve suffered from it, that I can
cure anyone and what happens to shatter this illusion is
normally a failure and a massive failure at that, that
you cannot save this person no matter what you do. So being
aware of this does not stop you from suffering from this
problem. The God complex in itself is a useful tool to learn
from that you are not a God. Once this is brought home to
you after these very successful and spectacular healings, it
is something that drains and shatters you. But, having
recovered from it and most healers do, you have to go on and
remember that there are failures and there are successes as
with everything. Why are there failures? You should not look
at the successes and go, ďokay, what did I do to make that a
success?Ē Certainly that is a good thing to do but also itís
just as important to look at the failures and to say ďwhere
did I go wrong?Ē Now often, curing an illness and this is
kind of another topic but not quite, sometimes looking at
the failures is the most powerful tool to successes. Now,
there are three possible outcomes that can happen from a
patient gets better, there is no change, the patient gets
worse. Letís look at the first one. Now, if you are using
junk science, you can use it in this way. It worked, "the
patient got better, it must be good." The patient stays the
look, weíve arrested it, we have stopped it.' The patient
we should have started sooner or we should give them more."
These three things are most common when using fake or junk
science. But what is junk science? Junk science is using
anything that is not known to work but is thought to work.
For example, fasting. Fasting to make somebody better, doesnít
work because itís going to happen anyway. One of the three
outcomes, regardless of what happens. Using things that
donít work for that situation. For example, let us say I
prescribe a herb that will sooth colitis. Again, the three
things that happen can happen whether or not the substance
was taken. Sometimes itís better to do nothing because it
will take its course. Something that doesnítÖ.canít think of
the English translation for the word but I was going to
take a herb or a chemical that is used to help cure colds. It
doesnít work. Vitamin C does work, it
works better than doing nothing but not as well as other
remedies. Chicken soup or chicken broth, a well-known cure
for the common cold, is this junk science or
is it real? Russ?
Russ: itís very real.
Karra: yes, very real and it does work, why? Well thereís
certain chemicals from the bones actually and the way that
it is prepared that makes it work. Another tool that makes
it work is the mind, the mind of the individual. We go over
this time and time again of having the patient in the right
frame of mind. It doesnít matter how good the medicine is,
if the patient isnít in the right frame of mind, itís not going
to work because the most powerful healing tool is what?
Russ: positive thinking.
Karra: exactly. With positive thinking, you can do two of
the three things that I am using tonight in junk science.
Actually, Iíll have a little Karraís corner, junk science.
But, with chicken broth, you can stop it or make it better.
So it works but the mind is the key to making anything work.
I can prescribe a junk science remedy. Hereís one that will
work if the person believes it will work. They have a
headache, you take salt, sugar, little bit of oil, virgin
olive oil, a little bit of vinegar, a dash
of diced, chopped finely lettuce leaves, mix it
all together, make the person drink it, tastes revolting. If
they believe that it will make their headache go away, that
it will work, guess what? 90% of the time it will. Now,
dissertation over, questions hon.
Russ: couldnít we use that same method or that same potion
you just gave me in a pill form?
Russ: gel cap.
Karra: uh-huh, whatever.
Russ: it wonít taste bad though.
Karra: but it doesnít do anything.
Russ: oh I donít know about that, thereís some benefit to
Karra: it does nothing Russ, it will not cure headaches.
Russ: yeah well itís the mental aspect right?
Russ: now you've taught me how to cure headaches.
Russ: always seems to work well.
Russ: now why canít you just use that?
Karra: well you can but Iím saying that if somebody believes
strong enough that something will work, it will work.
Russ: thatís what Iím doing, just doing something that I
feel will work.
Karra: itís possible, but in what Iíve taught you, it does
Karra: it does work. Thereís no ifs, ands or buts, it works.
Explain to the tape what I taught you.
Russ: oh, visualize the headache in my head, the pain and
then just project it outside my body.
Karra: correct but itís necessary because people will go
huh? Whatís he talking about, whatís his secret?
Karra: but it has to be strong, visualization and you know
Karra: they know it has to work.
Russ: well you just get it once or twice and youíve got the
confidence to do it every time.
Karra: exactly, exactly. That is the key right there. If it
doesnít work to start off with, itís not because itís not
for you, itís because you do not know strong enough.
Russ: right, well Iíve told people with migraines this and
thereís no way itís going to work.
Karra: oh, migraines are different.
Karra: very different. In fact somebody that you should talk
to about migraines who does not suffer from migraines
anymore or not very often, guess who that is?
Karra: somebody close at hand.
Russ: oh, thatís good. Concerning your God complex.
Karra: ahh yes.
Russ: now speaking of Carrie.
Russ: I mean we worked pretty good miracles on her, you did
actually but she did a lot of it.
Russ: still, it would be hard after something like that,
especially with the successes sheís gone through latelyÖ.
Karra: uh-huh, to not to suffer from it.
Russ: not to suffer from it. How do you keep from doing
Karra: because Iíve had failures.
Karra: I learned long ago that I cannot save everybody and
that success is something to be relished and enjoyed but not
to go over and over again. Certainly it was a success, a
very good success but she did most of the work, I canít take
credit for that.
Russ: hmm, true.
mean if that was the case, Mark could take credit
because you used his body.
Russ: I could take credit because I gave her encouragement.
Karra: and you gave the room for it to be done in.
Russ: and so on and so on, sure.
Karra: correct. You see in a healing, there is more than
just the two people involved.
Karra: so, how can I take responsibility for everything that
transpired in those sessions? A lot of it was ritualized if
Karra: that is what she needed. The ritual
itself changes and adjusts her frequency to mine. Remember
there were times where she would say something and you
wouldnít hear me saying anything and she would laugh or
smile or answer again out vocally what I was thinking.
Karra: that is because I changed her frequency
to match mine. I had come down as far as I could or up as
far as I could so that she could come down or come up to my
frequency so that we could meet and work together.
Russ: I see. So in essence, when the healer is you know
doing the work, itís actually the patient whoís actually
healing so to avoid the complex, the best thing is to just
keep understanding itís the patient doing it and all you are
doing is giving the patient the keys to help them heal
Karra: yes and no, yes and no. There are certain times where
I do all the work from beginning to end.
Russ: like a broken arm or something?
Karra: yes, I do the work.
Russ: the whole arm?
Karra: I set the bone, I wrap the bandages, I tell the
person how to behave, how to keep it clean, how to think,
how to react. I set up the structure for them to do the
healing. Iíve done the work at that point. Allís they have
to do is follow what I have told them. So you see that there
are certain times where I do all the work, certain times
when the patient does all the work and certain times when we
do the work, the patient and I and those involved.
Russ: hmm, understandable. So when youíve actually saved a
life, there are also points where youíre going to lose a
Russ: and even though letís say you have a 100% success
Russ: okay with no failures whatsoever?
Karra: Iíd like to meet a healer that has a 100% success
Russ: well thatís what I mean. I mean letís say that
theyíve only had three or four or five healings that theyíve
Russ: all 100%, everybody got better.
Russ: okay. The key is that youíve got to know the odds are
Karra: you have to but you also have to experience the
coming down from the God syndrome.
Russ: so you have to feel it, thereís no way
to stop it.
Karra: correct because itís going to happen. It will happen
regardless of how great a healer you are.
Russ: must be a humbling experience.
Karra: thatís why it happens.
Karra: itís important to understand that some people you
Karra: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: bye hon.
(Tia is back with an
(Tia says hi and a bit more in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, well it doesnít look like Iím going to get my
Russ: weíll get it next week.
Tia: yeah. Oh, by the way, next week is a free night.
Russ: besides, your part of the page is being loaded up
Tia: uh-huh besides, youíve got my thing from the channeling
session last night as well.
Russ: I donít know if Iím going to add that or not.
Tia: do a subsection, Internet channelings. Can you do that?
Russ: yeah, if I have the Internet channelings, I don't want to
type it all out.
Tia: no you just take it from the page.
Tia: how do you think Mark managed to print all that up?
Russ: I know, it just gets older and older, Iíll have to
make sure I nail it as soon as I can.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay next speaker.
Tia: yes, next weekís a free session.
Tia: so no notes needed.
(Kiri comes in to cover
Russ: hey, whatís up Bunny?
Kiri: yo dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.
Russ: oh hi Kiri.
Kiri: oh you have both of them.
Russ: you know what she means when there's no notes needed?
It means I go through about a page of notes.
Kiri: as opposed to how many?
Russ: half a page.
Kiri: well, I donít know what sheís got planned for next
week but itís definitely a open session.
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Kiri: Iím doing awesome.
Russ: good to hear it.
Russ: good to hear it.
Kiri: so, what can I do for you?
Russ: well Iím learning a few things this evening.
Kiri: oh yes, yes, yes. Okay, my brief dissertation time.
Everybody gets to dissertate tonight apart from Tia.
(Speaking to Tia.) Stop sticking your tongue out hon, Iíll
bite it off. OkayÖÖ.
Russ: I don't
get to give a dissertation?
one of the regulars.
let me see, coercion and certain mindsets for using coercion
in a beneficial way. How does coercion benefit us? Well it
is a tool that is used by an individual that is a coercer to
be able to control and manipulate persons or entities or
beings around them for a purpose that is beneficial to all
parties. How do you decide what is beneficial for all
parties? Well this is more of a gut instinct, what feels
good, what is right, what you know to be morallyÖ..seems to
be the flavor of the weekÖ.to be right. Is it moral to
coerce somebody into giving you a job? I do love using this
analogy and I will use it over and over again. Is it morally
right to coerce somebody to give you a job? Well it depends
on what the job is and whether or not you really need that
job. If it is for betterment then yes, if it is for
self-service, no. Because coercion is one of those
interesting little abilities that if you donít use it right,
it will feed back on itself and in doing so it will cause
harm to you. There are certain ways to keep on the straight
and narrow. This most frequently is morals and gut instinct,
is it right, is it wrong? Sometimes you donít have time to
decide whether it is right or wrong but do it. When you do
find yourself in that situation, you can come back later and
repair the damage that you have done as long as you do it
with good intentions at heart, it is easy to repair any
damage that you might have done. If it is done with a
self-serving purpose and you know this, then it becomes more
difficult to repair the damage that has been done but more
necessary to repair the damage that has been done. Because
if that is left unaddressed, it will come back to haunt you
at a later time. Coercion in itself is a good tool, it is a
very useful tool but it is one of the more harder ones to
actually master and use beneficially. It is quite common from what
I have heard on a third dimensional level to use it in a
negative way. Sometimes coercion is used in what appears to
be a negative way. For example, let us take my favorite
topic, somebody that is sexually repressed and they have
difficulty interacting in a sexual way. Using coercion to
seduce a person like that, that wants to be sexually active
and interactive is good because it frees up their libido
from being bottled up and pent-up inside them. So by
seducing somebody that wants to be seduced but is used to
having their sexual urges repressed can be beneficial.
Sometimes however you can unleash a monster as has happened
quite a few times in the history of the world. Somebody that
becomes after being coerced into becoming sexually active,
that turns into a sexual monster appetite wise has to be
refocused and have that urge addressed because it
will destroy them. For example, Katrina
the Great, she was seduced and became very
sexually active. It ruled her life. Certainly she was a
great leader as a czarina, she could of been a lot better if
she wasnít hopping in and out of beds half the time. Another
example, I canít remember her name, (PasiphaŽ)
but she became very sexually active in Greek mythology and
ended up being seduced by a bull and giving birth to the
Minotaur. This is a myth but it is also a way of looking at
being overly sexually active. Now, when that situation
occurs, the person that has opened up this individual to
their sexual excesses, needs to be the person that puts the
proverbial cork back in the bottle but do not turn the
person back into a sexually repressed person. They must
learn how to have a sexual, sexually normal life. But that
again depends from the individual to individual. What is
normal for me may not be normal for you. So, by using your
coercion to help somebody in a sexually repressed state has
to be done very carefully. And how you do this
is little by little, bit by bit. Otherwise as I pointed out,
you will have a sexual monster on your hands. If you use it
repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly to have an intimate
reaction with the person that is sexually repressed, you
will create the monster. You have to be able to do it as few
times as possible for them to lead a normal life. Certainly
coercing them to become sexually active to start off with is
the only way that successfully works but if you use it the
next time and the next time the next time, then you will
create a monster. But, if you donít use it on the second
time and it happens and you make love to that person, it
must be done differently then the first time. It must be
either very hard and fast or very slow and tender. It has to
be the opposite of the initial coercive action so that they
experience both sides of the coin. I suppose I get myself a
job as a sexual therapist on this. Don't you think so
Russ: Iíd go.
Kiri: of course you would go, you donít need coercing on
that. Do you have any questions now?
Russ: yes, this ties along kind of with what Karra was
saying in regards to the fact that isnít being as a coercer
subject to also that God complex?
Russ: and beating that down, could you give me some and our
audience of hundreds of listeners aÖ.
Kiri: an example?
Russ: an example of how to beat it down, how to not do it,
how to get around it or get out of it.
Kiri: Iíve never experienced it. From what Iíve heard, it
happens on the third dimension. Our educational system up
here sets in certain rules that are, think what you are
doing, think of the negative and the positive. Negative
first, what can go wrong? What harm can you do? Then think
of the positive and what good can come from coercion. So by
having these simple structures and sitting down in a
learning environment and debating the negatives of coercing
in itself drives home the point that you can have failures
and frequently you have failures in the early years learning
how to use coercion. On the third dimension, I donít really
have the experience to be able to tell you what you must do
to overcome that God experience except for again sooner or
later it will happen where you will brought down.
Russ: hmm, okay. Well I know you talked about that one
Russ: and it sounds like a similar situation where he had a
Kiri: no, he just got his kicks from doing harm.
Russ: oh okay, now you did make one little statement there
that I have a little problem with......
Russ: that maybe you can clarify where you said through your
studies, it appears to beÖ.itís much harder to act in a
negative manner coercably on the third dimension.
meant that the opposite way around.
Russ: thank you. I had one or two little, slight problems
with that when you said that.
Kiri: uh-huh, itís easier on the third dimensional toÖ
Russ: easier yes.
Kiri: yes coerce in a negative way.
Russ: I was going to say, wait a minute. Okay
yeah that makes more sense now.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, my time is up.
Russ: bye Kiri.
(Omal has his final input of the session.)
Omal: greetings Russ for the final time as I have to depart
for a Council meeting.
Omal: okay, you have covered the only point that I was going
to bring up. Kiri in her excitement let her mouth run away
and did not monitor what she was saying correctly. That is
all I have to say except for live long, prosper and Iíll be
Russ: have a great meeting.
Omal: okay thank you.
(Tia returns for the final time.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, well I still donít have time for a dissertation
Tia: huh? Bunny yes. She will be giving a demonstration I
Tia: she is the initial prober.
youíve had experience with her probings. OkayÖ.
Russ: bye love.
(Bunny finishes up yet another memorable
Russ: hi Bunny.
the Lion King song.) Sorry, just my theme music.
Russ: I know, Iíve been singing it myself for a while.
Russ: how you doing dear?
Bunny: very horny.
Russ: okay so weíre at normal status then.
Bunny: uh-huh, nipples are hard.
Russ: wet between the legs.
Bunny: no Iím not actually.
Russ: oh thatís not horny then, it's merely aroused.
Bunny: yes, I am aroused. Iím in aÖ.
different things completely.
Bunny: I could get very wet very quickly. Okay, let me
see, what are we here to discuss tonight?
Russ: oh probing.
Bunny: oh I am to probe you huh? Well Iíve changed my mind,
Iím not going to probe you.
Russ: which means youíre going to probe me.
Bunny: what makes you say that?
Russ: just logical statement of fact.
Russ: you throw me off guard so Iím not worried about
my shielding, then you attempt to probe me so therefore I
learn how to get the point across.
Bunny: so what did the doctor want today? Well?
Russ: what doctor?
Bunny: the doctor that you did some computer work for.
Russ: there was no doctor today.
Bunny: or was that yesterday?
Russ: it was a couple days ago.
Bunny: oh it was.
Russ: three days ago.
Russ: ahh okay, how do you do it and that
way I can know how to defeat it? Because I didnít know that
you are doing it so obviously Iím screwing up somewhere here
and I need to know how to get around that.
Bunny: Iíll give a demonstration.
Bunny: where did the feline go?
Russ: right next to you thereÖ..other side, right there,
straight down. Oh, now you're walking over here.
Bunny: come here feline.
Russ: now sheís in front of you, on the side. Here, Iíll
one on my lap for a demonstration....there.
Russ: demonstration kitty.
Bunny: demonstration on what I do to you. What am I doing to
Russ: petting it.
Bunny: uh-huh. The feline isnít comfortable
you go. Well, normally the feline would start to purr and
thatís basically what I do to your shielding is I make it
purr. And by making it purr by soothing it and stroking it
and lowering your resistance and distracting you makes it
easier for me to penetrate.
Bunny: I use the one secret weapon that women have.
Russ: sex appeal.
Bunny: uh-huh, even though itís not my body down there, I
can still do it. I use my voice, I use body language and I
Russ: well you look harmless enough.
Bunny: donít let this playful, youthful well-toned
nymphomaniacís body fool you. Underneath this beautiful,
feminine, charming, delightful polite teenager beats the
heart of a ruthless maniac, unlike my sister.
Russ: (laughs) which one?
Bunny: the one that's sitting over there sucking on my toes.
Bunny: uh-huh who I have wrapped around my little finger.
Russ: back to this. Now we're on to the question of God
complex's this evening.
Bunny: oh I am God.
Russ: right well which is a good point in making that how do
you avoid after getting through someoneís shields so easily
the God complex taking over? Or you just let it?
Bunny: Iíve never had the desire to want to take over
itís a form of coercion, correct?
Bunny: yeah, uh-huh. I'm stacked with coercion.
Russ: so therefore again, as with Kiri, there is that
problem where you would get that God complex I mean.
Bunny: I suppose so, Iíve never had that experience.
Russ: well I mean the possibilities are there.
Bunny: I mean as I said, I guess so.
Bunny: the fact that Iíve never experienced it doesnít mean
to say that it wonít happen. Youíve got to remember, I have
not been to much in the way of formal education.
Russ: oh, thatís true.
Bunny: uh-huh. Until I was 13, I was schooled at home.
Russ: hmm, never thought of that.
Bunny: uh-hmm, I kind of started enjoying the
same recreations that Leah got into, sailing and hanging out
with the sailors and kind of she was into sunning herself in
private whereas I am more of a extrovert, sheís
an introvert. So I started dancing and playing with myself
whilst dancing and so on. I suppose that in itself is a form
Russ: uh-huh, well now youíre trying to become healer
Russ: so itís been my observations that a coercive healer is
quite a handy commodity to have.
Funny: yes, Iíve been told that by quite a number of people.
One that I had my head between her legs the other day and
she goes, reaches down, pulls me up and
goes, ďhon, apart from tasting good and having a good
tongue, you really should start to learn more about healing
and my sister will help you with your coercion so that we
can mesh them together to be a team.Ē (Ed. note: It sounds
Karra would say.)
Russ: and yeah, they make a great team.
Russ: good, I look forward toÖ..
Russ: seeing what happens there.
Russ: letís see, I was going to talk to you about something
tonight, I canít remember what it was though. Something specific
I wanted to ask you about.
Bunny: my panties?
Russ: no......that wasnít part of the question I donít
Bunny: it concerns the holo correct? (A hologram she had made as
an entertainer and had given to Karra and myself as a gift.)
Bunny: no? Have you tried that yet?
Russ: no not yet.
Russ: Iíve been working a little too hard lately for that.
Bunny: oh thatís right, yeah.
Russ: oh hereís something.
Russ: is it possible to coerce mind-to-mind
and not beÖÖwithout the other personís permission and yet
still not have this moral problem?
Bunny: I donít know, I donít have the schooling.
Russ: nah, neither do I unfortunately.
Bunny: no. Iíd much sooner talk about an explanation on the
moral dilemma that your people have with promiscuity. Oh,
are you coming to see me dance tomorrow?
Russ: oh yes thatís right, I will have some free time for
Russ: uh-huh, Iím going to get well rested for that.
Bunny: yeah, Iím going to be dressed in some really sexy,
hot stuff. Had it custom-made for me too and it was a gift.
Russ: anyway, hereís the reason. Iíve been thinking about
this question that you have by the way.....
Russ: and I have an answer for you now.
Russ: the problem comes in the most part from what I
understand as diseases. Itís not such a Bible issue anymore
as it used to be, itís mostly the form of communicable
diseases that get passed along due to promiscuity. Sexually
Bunny okay yeah.
quite a variety out there, some are fatal.
Bunny: whatís AIDS? You have that in your mind with horror.
Russ: right, itís the immune deficiency syndrome and itís a
fatal disease whichÖ..
Bunny: thatís horrific, it attacks the cells and it
basically destroys the ability to heal itself?
takes away your immune deficiency.
Bunny: yeah, Iíve got all that.
Russ: right, they're gone, itís history.
Bunny: syphilis? Thatís curable by the looks of it.
Bunny: but it's nastyÖÖ
Russ: thereís others that arenít.
Bunny: it does what
did the brain? Thatís nasty, thatís horrible.
Russ: thereís genital herpes.
Russ: just as bad but itís still pretty bad.
Bunny: whatís hepatitis B, C? I read it there but it
means nothing to me.
Russ: yeah itís jaundice, itís basically something that
affects your liver and it takes away the liverís ability to
function in its proper manner so it releases poisons into
Bunny: oh, okay.
Russ: Iím trying to think a few others here for you.
Bunny: uh-huh, gonorrhea.
Russ: yeah, gonorrhea.
Russ: thatís a real bad one.
Russ: AIDS is the worstÖ.
Russ: down to you knowÖ.thereís one thing thatísÖ..
Bunny: whatís that oneÖÖ
Russ: you canít get it in my mind for a fix on it but itís
permanent, thereís no cure for it but it won't
Bunny: isnít that strepto-cocle? No, that was a bacteria you
were thinking of.
Russ: no that's strep throat. No, I can't get my mind on it
but I mean thatís what Iím talking about, basically the
whole gamutÖ..Iím not even touching the surface here.
Bunny: yeah, Iíve got all of that.
Bunny: I got all of that.
Russ: some of its curable, some of it isnít, even if it is
Bunny: oh, so thatís why youíre doing that, is itís for the
Russ: yeah, even though it's curable, itís still going to
leave permanent scarring or problemsÖ..oh crabs.
Bunny: no, crabs is curable.
Russ: oh I know crabs is curable but itís a very
embarrassing and pernicious little bugger.
Russ: you got that one, anyway....
Bunny: Tiaís saying that Mark calls it the clap.
Russ: no, clap's different, clap is gonorrhea. Crabs is
Bunny: oh littleÖ..
Russ: little live little buggers.
Bunny: yeah, mechanized dandruff.
Russ: yeah, you could say that. So anyway, a lot of the
problems that we're seeing due to the sexually
transmitted diseases go along with the moral issues of being
promiscuous whereas your don't have those problems up there.
Russ: see, if we had the same kind of technology that you
have as far as healing goes and as far as keeping these
things from happening, yeah youíd see a much more
promiscuous and open society down here.
Bunny: yeah and you know having probed and read that all in
your mind, I had explained to me whilst you were explaining
it is that you have to explain it because ofÖÖ.
Russ: the tape.
Bunny: the tape device.
Russ: correct. So the people can.....when I go back
and put this on the Internet, I'm not going to have this big
Russ: one-sided conversations, me and Karra would have this a lot
happen to us soÖ...
Russ: this will help a little. Anyway, yeah that answers
your question though.
Bunny: ahh okay, I understand.
Russ: you know, girls who are very promiscuous are seen as
Russ: like mosquitoes or something.
Bunny: whoís Bethany?
Russ: Bethany, Bethany isÖ..
Bunny: why did you link her with promiscuity?
Russ: I did? Okay, that was unconscious completely
because I donít see her as really promiscuous, maybe I
doÖÖonce? I donít know. Anyway, she used to be one of our
group members here.
Bunny: but when you were thinking of promiscuity, a whole
load of names popped through your head and that she was one
you see my mind process better than I do.
Russ: thatís pretty amazing.
Russ: anyway, yeah basically you know girls who are
promiscuous arenít seen as being morally upstanding.
Bunny: now, you have an image of them as well is that they
tend to be a little bit of reject from society? Explain
Russ: well for the same exact reason. Because they donít
take care of themselvesÖ.
Russ: you know, they have no safety factors built into
themselves so they're you know basically causing harm.
Bunny: so they donít take care of themselves. I donít see
how that could work because people like myself that are very
sexually activeÖ.can you stop that for a second please,
thank you. (Speaking to someone in the channeling room on
the base.) People that......people that are very
sexually active like myself, we take great care of our
cleanliness and our looks. You know I will sit and I will
brush and brush and brush and brush and brush my hair until
it shines and then I will put on my lipstick and
I will make sure that that shines. And I will hide any
blemishes that I have such as hickeys or spots on my nose or
cuts or scrapes, I will hide them to be as beautiful as I
yet you have the image of somebody that, overly painted with
makeup, smelling strongly of perfume.....
Russ: all right, letís put it this way. Letís say for
example someone who is sexually promiscuous gets AIDS.
Russ: okay on one night with a guy all right? The next
night, sheís with another guy, heís now got AIDS
okay? Heís going to die. Now this might go on for as many
guys as she has.
Russ: and you know maybe they wonít catch it, you know some
people are immune to it and donít get it, some of them only
get a lesser form of it.
Russ: but sheís a carrier and she wonít know until months
later because itís one of those thing that takes 10 months
to even start to show any signs of it......
Russ: and sheís basically infected every single person that
sheís been with unless they practice of course safe sex.
Russ: and let's say she doesnít like to practice safe sex.
Well guys aren't going to argue with her in general.
Russ: you know unless she says something,
theyíll just jump right in.
Russ: so she might not even have it or know she has it
just been the cause of the deaths of who knows how many
Well she does.
Russ: but then they go on and infect like say their mates.
Russ: and their mates and so on and so on.
Bunny: so thatís why your society has the look down upon
somebody that is active?
Russ: absolutely. It didnít used to be this bad you know?
Back in the '60s and stuff when you didn't have to worry
Russ: but now with AIDS, yeah itís a very real possibility
that anybody youíre withÖ..