Archivist Notes: While not a common occurrence
luckily, this night's recording had some
bleed through from a CB unit which could only
be heard on playback but is an irritating
addition for the first half of the
session and a little bit of side two.
The previous night, there had been an Internet
channeling session and some some of the content discussed this night was
in regards to that and an incident the week prior
where I had let someone into my
shields who was able to
probe my mind.
this memorable session started is
Omal revisiting the topic of
moral development consistent with
sixth dimensional thinking. The morals
of having to terminate
someone's existence or not are
reviewed from the karmic side of the responsibilities
involved should society
breakdown. He covers absolute
morals as well as Ashtar who has
a short and
serious warning concerning
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information about my
to anyone including
why that is so
can never be
my mentor in
gives me some
them I use to
this day. Tia
out the ground
rules I asked
for to give us
Karra who only
has time to
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(Tia gets the session off to a quick start.)
Russ: good morning Tia.
Tia: having technical problems there?
Russ: oh I just hit the wrong button.
Tia: oh, I see, I get the picture. Well hello and welcome, straight down to business, put the first speaker on.
(Omal sets the tone for side one.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ and how are you functioning apart from in a relaxed, tired state of consciousness?
Russ: well not bad, trying to provide something substantive and helpful for tonightís session.
Omal: okay let us proceed and continue where we left off on moral development. Seems to be the topic of the moment don't you think?
Russ: last couple days certainly.
Omal: okay, let us first of all address last night's channeling session over the Internet. Poor Tia, worked herself hard and worked the host body very hard. She did a good job, needs to brush up on her spelling and understanding of the linguistics involved in the English language. Tia will be the first to admit that her English is not perfect. Okay, having got that out of the way and her discussion on morals is a very good and intense subject to discuss. We have full confidence in the selected individuals that are channeling for this, we will have Tia and Kiri as our main speakers. Okay, down to business. Morals and the development thereof in conjunction with sixth dimensional thinking and the purpose and behavioral patterns connected with telepathy and the morals. Certain morals are used to protect individuals from embarrassing or dangerous situations. For example, as was demonstrated last week, probing somebody without their consent. It is not morally wrong nor is it morally right, it is a call on the individual but probing nonetheless has to be consensual to achieve the maximum benefit for both individuals concerned. If it is not consensual, whether it is subconscious, it has to be spoken verbally or telepathically so that the individual that is the probee can have full access to the information that is being probed by the prober. For example, delving into oneís past experiences and looking at each one independently can be beneficial if both parties are consensual in this matter. This is one of the important necessary developments when using telepathy. Telepathy on a communication level is basic vocalization or sub vocalization of what is going through the mind and being projected at a person. It is quicker and faster then the vocal communication but, probing on the other hand, should be done with images so that both parties can analyze and look at the pictures as long as the probee is consensual. But, where does the morals come into this? Well is it morally right to probe somebodyís mind? Yes and no. If it is consensual, then it is morally right. If it is not consensual and done with speed and harm to the probee, then that is morally wrong. It is a call by the individuals. But the morals necessary to achieve this point where you become a being of a higher consciousness are developed by the individual on the lower level. What is right as was raised last night? Is it right to kill somebody? Yes and no. Why yes and no? Well there are certain situations where it becomes dangerous for others and yourself and it is necessary to terminate the existence of the aggressor. In itself, that has moral ramifications. Are you ready to accept the responsibilities of the individuals that are connected with the person that has been terminated? Tia tried to elaborate on this last night and it needs to be elaborated on more. When a termination occurs, there is obviously the anger and retribution coming from the friends and associates of the terminated, they wish revenge. It doesnít matter if it is somebody that is of a very nasty and aggressive nature, there is still people that think that person is a good person and they want revenge. They want revenge in either incarceration or termination of the terminator. This leaves open to serious problems that opens up a cycle which can occur. If it is necessary to terminate the friends and associates of the terminated, then that in itself can open up even more karmic problems. This is where karma comes into play, when it is necessary to terminate somebody on a one-on-one, then you have to think of the karmic ramifications and the necessary interactions of the individuals involved in this matter. When a termination occurs en mass of a large majority of individuals, this in itself is something that needs to be looked at and addressed. For example, in a hostile situation such as a riot or a war where individuals are trying to take from some other individuals, their existence and ipso facto trying to terminate them, that itself comes outside the karmic loop. What transpires is that an individual happens to defend themselves against a mass group of individuals may have to find it necessary to terminate a few of those individual's existence before the group realizes that it is in itself is in a dangerous situation. In the process, the terminator may become terminated himself but again, how does this interact with the morals? First of all, you should not get yourself in a situation that you need to terminate a mass group of individualís existence but sometimes that happens. There is nothing that you, I or anybody can do about it except if you are a grand paramount coercer. And there are so few of those on the sixth dimension that even in their environment it would be hard. Being able to use the morals necessary to stay out of that trouble and deciding that it would be better to cut oneís losses in itself is a moral question. Do you give the individuals that are the group the joy of having what you have worked so hard for? That is a decision only you can answer and it is built in with your morals. It is a moral decision whether or not you leave your food, property etc. behind and if so, would it be beneficial for those people to have that property. So by addressing these very simple basic morals. Now a question last night was asked, are there certain morals that are absolute? Yes there are. Love all things, that is an absolute. There was another one that was on there, there was three actually. Love all things, do not steal or rather do not steal and get caught. It is necessary sometimes to steal for existence and in doing so, you will put yourself in a situation where retribution may be demanded. So, if you have to steal, try not to get caught. As Tia put it, there are certain countries that tend to remove limbs for the punishment of stealing. Love thy neighbor as thyself, that was not on there but it should of been put on there. You can kill through love if necessary if your neighbor becomes a hostile, it is always the last, last resort to terminate their existence. In doing so, you must again be prepared to take the responsibilities that come with that but, it should read love thy neighbor as much as possible. Thou shalt not kill unless there is no other way, that is an absolute. If it is your survival or a survival of individuals that you are affiliated with, then it becomes necessary to kill, to terminate and in doing so again you must be prepared to take on the karmic retribution that is necessary. So all these things are linked through karma. They are linked morally, they are decisions that you have to weigh the odds. There are clauses, morals are not absolute. There are absolute morals but they are not totally, they can be changed and adjusted to situations but the basic underlying is there. Do you have any questions Russ?
Russ: I've got a couple.
Russ: first off, when you mentioned about two people using pictures.
Russ: explain a little about that.
Omal: yes, when you probe, there should be pictures generated that both parties can see. We will let our prober if it is consensual demonstrate.
Russ: now, is that normally used for in conversation mode or that strictly just a teaching thing? It sounds like it could be pretty slow.
Omal: if it is done correctly it is very fast because there are no words involved. The feelings and emotions are there. The experiences being relayed, it is almost a regression.
Omal: afterwards, then the questions are asked and itís looked at. Next question please.
Russ: okay, as far as killing goes, it seems like you had third dimensional or sixth dimensional, there should always be an option to get out of it. Wouldnít just the killing part be just an easy way out sometimes?
Omal: I said, that there are certain times where it is impossible to get away from that.
Russ: well the point Iím asking is, it might seem impossible but only because you havenít delved through every situation in the moments beforehand but thatís only because being third dimensional, we arenít thinking as hard or as fast a level as the sixth dimensional is.
Omal: sometimes you do not have time to think of another option.
Omal: let us say you are in a room, you are in a corner. You have a sword in your hand. The person in front of you has a 9 mm that youíre so fond of. You can thrust and kill them and get it over and done with so that they will not have time to pull the trigger on you. If you wound them, they may still pull the trigger, they may still come after you. Can you take that risk?
Omal: that is a situation which should never occur but unfortunately it does occur. Next question.
Russ: okay, as far as the absolute morals go?
Russ: in loving all things, youíre also loving your neighbor as thyself.
Russ: so that's probably why it was written, because itís all basically the same thing.
Russ: okay, but in loving all things, canít you be able to teach that so that others hopefully in the same situation will learn?
Omal: it starts.....the teaching starts at a very early age. Up here I believe that it starts when the person is still in the fetal stage. Communication, laying out the basic principles that are to be developed later on. Next question and final question.
Russ: okay, in that sort of teaching, what would you do to discourage somebody who is learning or starting to become hateful once in a while?
Omal: hate once in a while is a good thing. To hate squalor, to hate people that push other people down. You can use that hate as a tool. Not to destroy but to build. By using hate to focus and to teach, sometimes by a harsh action in itself is a useful tool. We will give an explanation at another time on hate.
Russ: okay thank you.
Omal: okay thank you, I will be back.
(Tia's back for another quick transition.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: work, work, work, work, work, work. Work, work, work, work, work. No rest for the wicked.
Russ: I donít know anything about that.
Tia: yes, and if I'm wicked, this must make me downright evil. Okay, next speaker.
(Ashtar takes his place in the channeling field.)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations Mr. Hatfield, let us get down and straight to business. No, I am not the prober. Let us address matters concerning shielding. Yes you have been waiting for this. Shielding and consensual probing concerning last weekís incident. From what I have heard, there was no consent from you. Even on a subconscious. Maybe you let her in subconsciously you said I quote, no you did not. Why did she access your shields so quickly? This was done by playing a soothing tune. Doing so made it easy for her to lower your shields. This cannot happen again due to the fact if it happens once, it can happen again and again. The root command that you have to stabilize your shields must be known by you and you alone. No other person, not even your mind soul or twin soul. You do not know hers, so why should she know yours? It is not a selfish thing, it is a necessary thing. This dovetails with Omalís dissertations. It is morally wrong to put yourself in the debt or in an opportune position for somebody to dominate you. To control your mind and to probe you. That is an absolute moral. Never put yourself in the position where you are totally and utterly bound by debt to someone. That leaves open a karmic circle which must not be repeated. So that is a absolute moral. Questions.
Russ: oh, should I change that then I take it?
Ashtar: tell no one.
Ashtar: it is a protection for you and for us. Next question.
Russ: so I should set it up it up in a layer would probably be the best.
Ashtar: whatever convenient for you.
Russ: okay thank you.
Ashtar: youíre welcome.
(Tia returns for a longer stay.)
Tia: consider yourself told off.
Russ: you know, hereís the point that....
Tia: you didnít know.
Russ: no this is the lesson for me. I trust explicitly everyone from the sixth dimension, especially those who are on the base.
Russ: and I would never even think that one of them or any of you would use any knowledge you got in any way harmful against me knowing how the sixth dimension works.
Tia: yes true, true but I think what Ashtar was trying to say is that things happen inadvertently. Let us take a scenario. You and Nazreal are messing around. (Karraís adult son)
Tia: right? Youíve got your shields up, heís got his shields up. You do something that pushes a little button on him right? That irritates him and he may want to slap you down and just say ďenough is enoughĒ and he tries that vocally but youíre too fired up. Now if youíve told his mother, heís going to figure out that itís going to be something simple because youíve told his mother or she may inadvertently let it slip. Youíre irritating him so he switches your shields off and slaps you down and says ďenough is enoughĒ and it causes anguish on your part. Thatís what I think Ashtar was trying to say is avoiding anguish.
Russ: hmm, I see.
Russ: good lesson.
Tia: yes, it is an important lesson.
Russ: I hate it when he probes me like that.
Tia: he didnít probe you.
Russ: no but heís testing my shields.
Tia: uh-huh, he tested your shields but he didnít probe you.
Russ: yeah I know, I wouldíve known if I got probed.
Russ: but it feels like every time he comes in, itís like Iíve got 10 tons of water just got dumped on my head and Iíve got to keep it off.
Tia: and itís not over yet.
Russ: I know, me and Bunny are going to play around a little.
Tia: yes but the special guests are not over yet.
Russ: (laughs) I am not in this today, damn.
Tia: Iím sorry.
Russ: all right love, Iíve got a learn how to deal with it when Iím in the worst shape possible. Might as well get itÖ.
Tia: Ashtar and the other guests showed up unexpectedly.
Russ: I guess.
Tia: thatís what I said work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work.
Russ: I knew there were problems when Omal came on instantly without you going through your spiel.
Tia: uh-huh okay.
Russ: one moment.
Tia: (sighs) sorry.
Russ: thatís all right.
Tia: should have tried to warn you somehow.
Russ: no, I need the practice.
(Korton make a rare appearance.)
Korton: greetings Russ, let us address communication and the necessary of the linguistics involved. That it is as I have always stated important to be eloquent. Slurring of speech is unacceptable. I know you do not do this but it is important for all people to understand that it is important to communicate crisply and clearly. Now when communicating, you communicate as direct as possible. Analogies are a good tool to use. When you talk, it is a learning experience for other people on what you are saying. People know more about you by the way that you communicate, by the way that you manipulate your vocal cords to communicate. For example, if somebody speaks sloppily, uses a lot of expletives and slang, what does this tell us? This tells us that they are sloppy in their communication, they are probably uneducated, they probably do not grasp fully what is trying to be explained to them. It is fine to use slang when talking with your friends and associates but, on a professional level, you cannot communicate and say you know. You have to explain why they should know. It has been brought to my attention that when you communicate with somebody explaining something, you will use occasionally slang and occasionally the phrase that I hate, you know. This should not be taken for granted that somebody knows. If they know, they will let you know because even if they do know and they do not interrupt, they may learn something. So to portray yourself as an eloquent speaker tells more about you than just your physical appearance. It tells them that you are educated, you are considerate, you are intelligent. All these things are important when you communicate. It is necessary to give the air as a communicator that you know what you are talking about, that you are easy to understand and you are intelligent. Questions.
Russ: yes, one thing I have that goes against that last statement is that oftentimes Iíll find myself affecting other peopleís form of communication when Iím talking to them. For example, someone using slang or expletives. I do that on purpose generally because it takes me to a level where they can understand me better and accept what Iím saying when Iím teaching instead of going and thinking that I am above them in that situation.
Korton: yes, that is acceptable to lower yourself to their level but, what are you trying to do? Youíre trying to bring them up to a higher level.
Korton: you have to get them from using the expletives and the slang. It is easier for them to be understood by other people if you do so. As a teacher, your purpose is to increase the intelligence of the people. If theyíre constantly using expletives and slang, then it is more difficult for people to understand them out of their peer group. The language that you speak, English, has certain protocols that are used by well speaking individuals that everybody understands. You can understand me clearly and crisply as I communicate. Other people can understand me clearly and crisply as I communicate. Expletives have their place, slang has its place but when you are teaching, the thing that you are trying to do is to increase the intelligence and bring the person up to a higher level if they are of less intelligence. If they are of greater intelligence and have not learned to speak correctly, they will understand that by the way that you are communicating that it is logical and easier to understand so that they will start to mimic. Now it is not a put down when you do that. When you are dealing with somebody that uses a lot of slang and expletives, it is fine to use them yourself a lot like they would to start off with but as you talk and communicate with them, you decrease and decrease and decrease until you are not using any and they will do likewise, they will mimic you. More questions.
Russ: yes, now once you start doing that with that person, wonít that then feed off of them into their peer group?
Russ: and basically itís a trickle-down effect from there.
Korton: correct, gradually and slowly.
Russ: I see.
Korton: so it is not one person you are communicating with.
Russ: right. So it's best to talk to these people as often as you can once you start the teaching processÖ..
Russ: to keep that teaching process going and then bring in the others of their peer group into it and seeing the same effect take place there.
Russ: I see, understandableÖÖokay.
Korton: so it is a useful tool when you communicate. You have to first of all get their interest, communicate with them on a level that they understand and then pull them up.
Korton: more questions.
Russ: okay, how do you encourage them once they get to that point to start using more educated phrases? Is it just your use of them sure, but won't they see themselves as being outcast from their group at that point?
Korton: no they wonít. If their friends are good friends, their friends will accept them as they are. If not, they will continue to use that form of communication with their peer group. When interacting with people outside of their peer group, they will use what they have learned.
Russ: I see, so sooner or later their friends might start changing and their peer group might change?
Russ: I understand.
Korton: take for example when you first arrived here. You were hanging around with people that I believe you would call lowlifes?
Russ: party animals.
Korton: party animals. Do you hang around with that group now?
Russ: oh no.
Korton: since you have become more eloquent or have become re-eloquent, you have found that that group of individuals is frustratingÖ..
Korton: so therefore you have grown, you have moved to a new peer group. You still interact with some of that other peer group and they have changed also.
Russ: hmm, so this is also feeds over into the Internet where Iím using the webpage in that same manner?
Russ: okay, so a grade point average on my eloquence in the webpage?
Russ: thank you, from you thatís a compliment.
Korton: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
(Omal is back to answer a quick question.)
Omal: okay Russ, I donít need to go over the last two speakers. I think they are quiteÖ.
Omal: quite eloquent and precise and to the point and they know what they are doing anyway.
Russ: yes, it would be redundant.
Omal: yes it would be. I cannot add anything as they have covered all the bases. Do you have any questions for me?
Russ: I had one for Korton I was going to ask but it was off the subject so I didnít bother but Iíll check with you real quick and just get a real quick feed off of you. I know that the as we call it the Arcturian Council or conferenceÖ
Russ: is being discussed again.
Russ: I kind of want to get an idea of what your guy's opinion on this.
Omal: my opinion, my opinion is that it is a good thing. We are off to a Council meeting and that is one of the things that is on our agenda tonight.
Omal: I do not foresee a vote tonight.
Omal: but the Council and the representatives here for the Council meeting will be discussing it. We will vote at a later time more than likely on whether or not it should be submitted for a vote by a higher Council.
Russ: well certainly what Korton said does apply a lot in that situation.
Russ: the fact that eloquence will be a key point in this in making sure everyoneís or at least us are speaking from a point of view thatís quite understandable.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: okay, I will hand back our resident ring mistress.
(Tia gets us ready for side two.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: theyíre giving me a real workout tonight arenít they?
Russ: that was interesting, it was almost as if Korton had talked to Ashtar and Ashtar had figured out what my shields were doing....
Russ: because Korton came and tested from a completely different point of view.
Tia: well they probably did.
Russ: they probably did.
Russ: I had to switch frequencies on my shields to try to keep Korton out.
Russ: what a workout.
Tia: you think youíre getting a workout, I feel like a puppet sometimes when those two are around. It's up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down.....(sighs) okay, point taken, I could do with the exercise. Okay now quickly, let me see. They've cut in on my time on my dissertation, do you have any questions for me?
Russ: yeah, the incident the other night with the stock market.
Russ: it seems like it was a correction as the stock market analysts are calling it.
Tia: yes and if you remember, I did say there would be corrections.
Russ: right, and it was the biggest drop since 1978 or '87?
Russ: right, it was one of two.
Russ: all right and then the other question is about what I was asking Mark last night about setting up for the guestbook group for the channeling sessions?
Tia: oh yes, yes, yes. Omal and myself were discussing that earlier on.
Russ: it seems to me it would save a lot of time being in the fact that these people already know you, know if youíre going to have a topic, what the topic's going to be about.
Tia: okay, next weekís topic will be handled by Kiri and it will be on fifth dimensionalism and sixth dimensionalism. Or it should be, dispelling the myth of fifth dimensional ascension.
Russ: all right and Iíll go ahead and talk to Kiri about that when she comes in.
Tia: yeah. But it will be handledÖÖ.Kiri will be handling it.
Russ: so I want to set some ground rules down when I send out this thing but I want the ground rules set up by you two beforehand.
Russ: so that we can use the same ground rules whenever you're channeling or whenever sheís channeling, everybody knows them already.
Russ: so maybe you can work with her on that at some point between speakers here.
Tia: okay. We will go over it, I will hand you over to.....let me see yeah........I can hand you over to the next speaker. The tape's getting close to being ready to be flipped, want to check?
Russ: sure, we've still got a bunch left.
Tia: yeah, thatís what I mean. I donít want to cut intoÖ..
Russ: we can talk a little bit then if you want.
Tia: okay, let us say ground rules. No questions of a personal nature concerning the speakers, explain about yourself, who are you, etc.
Russ: wait a minute, you mean as in the people asking questions don't want to ask questions about their personal lives like what were my past lives like or somethingÖ..
Tia: yes, something like that.
Russ: but not about you, personal questions about them?
Tia: well about for example who are you? Meaning meÖ.explain about yourselfÖ.we donít have time for that.
Russ: no, Iíll tell them to just check the bios.
Tia: yes, just check the bios. No technical data. These are just things that we can work with and fiddle around. No predictions. Stick to the topic as much as possible. Limited time of an hour and a half maximum because it seems to take more of a strain on the host or Mark on his body when heís typing like that almost incessantly.
Russ: why donít you make it an hour? That way you could do it weekly and it's not going to be such a burnout. Letís set it up for an hour.
Tia: okay, set it up for an hour.
Russ: if it goes more than an hour thatís your fault.
Tia: yeah. Other ground rulesÖÖ.be patient with the answers, they may take some time to come due to the fact that it has to come through a relay of a host body and as fast as we can manipulate the fingers is as fast as we can go. Thatís a good one. Talking amongst yourselves is acceptable as long as it follows the topic being discussed. Side issues will be addressed at a later time. Questions should be in the form of a question, not in a dissertation or in a paragraph, try to keep them as precise as possible. Thatís another good one I think, donít you agree Russ?
Russ: Iíve never really seen anything like that coming your way.
Tia: yeah but there has been in the past......
Russ: has it?
Tia: that you have to read a lot of background information before you get to the question.
Tia: I try, I donít know how Kiri does it, to explain as best as I can through either using analogies or by answering the question as best as I can. Joking and humor is acceptable but donít push it too far because sometimes it is necessary to take a heavy subject and throw in a slippery surface, banana skin.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, any more questions?
Tia: okay, we covered most of the protocol and rules.
Russ: yeah, we got enough there.
Tia: uh-hmm. Okay, you and Karra can brush that up and tidy it up. Itís just preliminary ideas.
Russ: yeah I donít want to throw too much at them.
Russ: turn them off from coming in the whole place in the first place.
Tia: correct. Set up "The Communicators" as a retreat for private discussions as well for people on the guest list. If they want to go somewhere private to talk but tell them not to change the topic because other guests into the room may want to be able to just go, "ahh, last week they disused morals" and so on. You know what I mean?
Tia: so, all the people on the guest list should have the password.
Tia: go through the guest list with Mark or send him a copy so he that knows who is on there because there are some people that may not be......
Russ: there's nobody he knows on there.
Tia: oh, okay.
Russ: theyíre all people that you know have written to me but donít actually go access through theÖ
Tia: Spirit Chat.
Russ: Spirit Chat right? In fact a majority donít.
Tia: oh, okay. Oh yeah, well Seabreeze was a new one last night to me.
Russ: yes, she wasn't on the guest list.
Russ: not that I know of anyway.
Tia: no and Starcat. I've met Starcat before, I like her name.
Russ: I better tell him to have a handle ready too.
Russ: because a lot of these people don't go into that chat room.
Tia: yeah true, true.
Tia: okay, tape's going to be ready in a few seconds or a minute or so.
Russ: (taking notes.)....donít change topics.
Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Karra comes on to wrap up the side.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Karra: I am doing well. Okay, healers dissertation time.
Russ: wait, let me check the tape. Letís wait on your dissertation time darling.
Russ: letís just talk among ourselves here.
Karra: Ashtar is correct but you can trust me implicitly.
Russ: darling if I didn't, I wouldnít bother even you know having shieldsÖ..
Karra: uh-huh but heís very correct. Unintentionally, I could give out that information.
Russ: yeah butÖÖ..well I suppose.
Russ: I donít seeÖI guess I canít see every possibility thatís out there.
Karra: well Ashtar tries to see as many possibilities as possible.
Russ: well he gets more than both of us could ever do.
Karra: oh yes, I think we could think of a hundred possibilities and get stumped and he would come up with a hundred and first, hundred and second, hundred and third and so on.
Russ: itís nice having him once in a while into the mix.
Karra: yes, I would prefer not to know if you know what I mean.
Russ: yeah darling, I will.
Karra: as much as I love you, I donít want that responsibility.
Russ: Iíll catch it like it four the morning, Iíll figure it out when youíre asleep.
Karra: well you know how to lock me out of your mind don't you?
Russ: I try not to.
Karra: yes I know.
Russ: not on purpose anyway.
Russ: so anyway, I don't keep you up at night when Iím working on stuff do I?
Karra: any more questions?
Russ: (laughs) no, just that one darling.
Karra: canít answer that one.
Russ: just don't like knowing Iím keeping you from doing something like sleeping or something.
Karra: sleeping's not important, I donít need to sleepÖ.
Russ: well I guess that's both....
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra begins her dissertation.)
Karra: Karraís brief dissertation on healing concerning mental well-being of the healer and a common thing that occurs from time to time with all healers is occasionally the God syndrome. I can cure anything, I am capable of healing everyone. Now why does this happen? Well it happens frequently and all healers will suffer from it from time to time because being able to heal, make somebody feel better, makes you feel good and the more successes you have, the stronger this feeling gets. Now normally when it occurs, it occurs briefly. Iíve suffered from it, that I can cure anyone and what happens to shatter this illusion is normally a failure and a massive failure at that, that you cannot save this person no matter what you do. So being aware of this does not stop you from suffering from this problem. The God complex in itself is a useful tool to learn from that you are not a God. Once this is brought home to you after these very successful and spectacular healings, it is something that drains and shatters you. But, having recovered from it and most healers do, you have to go on and remember that there are failures and there are successes as with everything. Why are there failures? You should not look at the successes and go, ďokay, what did I do to make that a success?Ē Certainly that is a good thing to do but also itís just as important to look at the failures and to say ďwhere did I go wrong?Ē Now often, curing an illness and this is kind of another topic but not quite, sometimes looking at the failures is the most powerful tool to successes. Now, there are three possible outcomes that can happen from a healing, the patient gets better, there is no change, the patient gets worse. Letís look at the first one. Now, if you are using junk science, you can use it in this way. It worked, "the patient got better, it must be good." The patient stays the same "ahh look, weíve arrested it, we have stopped it.' The patient gets worse, "well, we should have started sooner or we should give them more." These three things are most common when using fake or junk science. But what is junk science? Junk science is using anything that is not known to work but is thought to work. For example, fasting. Fasting to make somebody better, doesnít work because itís going to happen anyway. One of the three outcomes, regardless of what happens. Using things that donít work for that situation. For example, let us say I prescribe a herb that will sooth colitis. Again, the three things that happen can happen whether or not the substance was taken. Sometimes itís better to do nothing because it will take its course. Something that doesnítÖ.canít think of the English translation for the word but I was going to take a herb or a chemical that is used to help cure colds. It doesnít work. Vitamin C does work, it works better than doing nothing but not as well as other remedies. Chicken soup or chicken broth, a well-known cure for the common cold, is this junk science or is it real? Russ?
Russ: itís very real.
Karra: yes, very real and it does work, why? Well thereís certain chemicals from the bones actually and the way that it is prepared that makes it work. Another tool that makes it work is the mind, the mind of the individual. We go over this time and time again of having the patient in the right frame of mind. It doesnít matter how good the medicine is, if the patient isnít in the right frame of mind, itís not going to work because the most powerful healing tool is what?
Russ: positive thinking.
Karra: exactly. With positive thinking, you can do two of the three things that I am using tonight in junk science. Actually, Iíll have a little Karraís corner, junk science. But, with chicken broth, you can stop it or make it better. So it works but the mind is the key to making anything work. I can prescribe a junk science remedy. Hereís one that will work if the person believes it will work. They have a headache, you take salt, sugar, little bit of oil, virgin olive oil, a little bit of vinegar, a dash of diced, chopped finely lettuce leaves, mix it all together, make the person drink it, tastes revolting. If they believe that it will make their headache go away, that it will work, guess what? 90% of the time it will. Now, dissertation over, questions hon.
Russ: couldnít we use that same method or that same potion you just gave me in a pill form?
Russ: gel cap.
Karra: uh-huh, whatever.
Russ: it wonít taste bad though.
Karra: but it doesnít do anything.
Russ: oh I donít know about that, thereís some benefit to lettuce leaves.
Karra: it does nothing Russ, it will not cure headaches.
Russ: yeah well itís the mental aspect right?
Russ: now you've taught me how to cure headaches.
Russ: always seems to work well.
Russ: now why canít you just use that?
Karra: well you can but Iím saying that if somebody believes strong enough that something will work, it will work.
Russ: right, so maybe thatís what Iím doing, just doing something that I feel will work.
Karra: itís possible, but in what Iíve taught you, it does work.
Karra: it does work. Thereís no ifs, ands or buts, it works. Explain to the tape what I taught you.
Russ: oh, visualize the headache in my head, the pain and then just project it outside my body.
Karra: correct but itís necessary because people will go huh? Whatís he talking about, whatís his secret?
Russ: oh right.
Karra: but it has to be strong, visualization and you know it worksÖ...
Karra: they know it has to work.
Russ: well you just get it once or twice and youíve got the confidence to do it every time.
Karra: exactly, exactly, that is the key right there. If it doesnít work to start off with, itís not because itís not for you, itís because you do not know strong enough.
Russ: right, well Iíve told people with migraines this and thereís no way itís going to work.
Karra: oh, migraines are different.
Karra: very different. In fact somebody that you should talk to about migraines who does not suffer from migraines anymore or not very often, guess who that is?
Karra: somebody close at hand.
Russ: oh, thatís good. Concerning your God complex.
Karra: ahh yes.
Russ: now speaking of Carrie.
Russ: I mean we worked pretty good miracles on her, you did actually but she did a lot of it.
Russ: still, it would be hard after something like that, especially with the successes sheís gone through latelyÖ.
Karra: uh-huh, to not to suffer from it.
Russ: not to suffer from it. How do you keep from doing that?
Karra: because Iíve had failures.
Karra: I learned long ago that I cannot save everybody and that success is something to be relished and enjoyed but not to go over and over again. Certainly it was a success, a very good success but she did most of the work, I canít take credit for that.
Russ: hmm, true.
Russ: I mean if that was the case, Mark could take credit because you used his body.
Russ: I could take credit because I gave her encouragement.
Karra: and you gave the room for it to be done in.
Russ: and so on and so on, sure.
Karra: correct. You see in a healing, there is more than just the two people involved.
Karra: so, how can I take responsibility for everything that transpired in those sessions? A lot of it was ritualized if youíll remember.
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: that is what she needed. The ritual itself changes and adjusts her frequency to mine. Remember there were times where she would say something and you wouldnít hear me saying anything and she would laugh or smile or answer again out vocally what I was thinking.
Karra: that is because I changed her frequency to match mine. I had come down as far as I could or up as far as I could so that she could come down or come up to my frequency so that we could meet and work together.
Russ: I see. So in essence, when the healer is doing the work, itís actually the patient whoís actually healing so to avoid the complex, the best thing is to just keep understanding itís the patient doing it and all you are doing is giving the patient the keys to help them heal themselves.
Karra: yes and no, yes and no. There are certain times where I do all the work from beginning to end.
Russ: like a broken arm or something?
Karra: yes, I do the work.
Russ: the whole arm?
Karra: I set the bone, I wrap the bandages, I tell the person how to behave, how to keep it clean, how to think, how to react. I set up the structure for them to do the healing. Iíve done the work at that point. Allís they have to do is follow what I have told them. So you see that there are certain times where I do all the work, certain times when the patient does all the work and certain times when we do the work, the patient and I and those involved.
Russ: hmm, understandable. So when youíve actually saved a life, there are also points where youíre going to lose a life?
Russ: and even though letís say you have a 100% success rate.
Russ: you have no failures whatsoever.
Karra: Iíd like to meet a healer that has a 100% success rate.
Russ: well thatís what I mean. I mean letís say that theyíve only had three or four or five healings that theyíve done.
Russ: all 100%, everybody got better.
Russ: okay. The key is that youíve got to know the odds are against you.
Karra: you have to but you also have to experience the coming down from the God syndrome.
Russ: so you have to feel it, thereís no way to stop it.
Karra: correct because itís going to happen. It will happen regardless of how great a healer you are.
Russ: must be a humbling experience.
Karra: thatís why it happens.
Karra: itís important to understand that some people you cannot save.
Karra: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: bye hon.
(Tia is back with an update.)
(Tia says hi and a bit more in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, well it doesnít look like Iím going to get my dissertation tonight.
Russ: weíll get it next week.
Tia: yeah. Oh, by the way, next week is a free night.
Russ: besides, your part of the page is being loaded up anyway.
Tia: uh-huh besides, youíve got my thing from the channeling session last night as well.
Russ: I donít know if Iím going to add that or not.
Tia: do a subsection, Internet channelings. Can you do that?
Russ: yeah, if I have the Internet channelings, I don't want to type it all out.
Tia: no you just take it from the page.
Tia: how do you think Mark managed to print all that up?
Russ: I know, it just gets older and older, Iíll have to make sure I nail it as soon as I can.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay next speaker.
Tia: yes, next weekís a free session.
Tia: so no notes needed.
(Kiri comes in to cover tonight's topic.)
Russ: hey, whatís up Bunny?
Kiri: yo dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.
Russ: oh hi Kiri.
Kiri: oh you have both of them.
Russ: you know what she means when there's no notes needed? It means I go through about a page of notes.
Kiri: as opposed to how many?
Russ: half a page.
Kiri: well, I donít know what sheís got planned for next week but itís definitely a open session.
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Kiri: Iím doing awesome.
Russ: good to hear it.
Russ: good to hear it.
Kiri: so, what can I do for you?
Russ: well Iím learning a few things this evening.
Kiri: oh yes, yes, yes. Okay, my brief dissertation time. Everybody gets to dissertate tonight apart from Tia. (Speaking to Tia.) Stop sticking your tongue out hon, Iíll bite it off. OkayÖÖ.
Russ: Lyka doesn't get a dissertation?
Kiri: every one of the regulars.
Kiri: okay let me see, coercion and certain mindsets for using coercion in a beneficial way. How does coercion benefit us? Well it is a tool that is used by an individual that is a coercer to be able to control and manipulate persons or entities or beings around them for a purpose that is beneficial to all parties. How do you decide what is beneficial for all parties? Well this is more of a gut instinct, what feels good, what is right, what you know to be morallyÖ..seems to be the flavor of the weekÖ.to be right. Is it moral to coerce somebody into giving you a job? I do love using this analogy and I will use it over and over again. Is it morally right to coerce somebody to give you a job? Well it depends on what the job is and whether or not you really need that job. If it is for betterment then yes, if it is for self-service, no. Because coercion is one of those interesting little abilities that if you donít use it right, it will feed back on itself and in doing so it will cause harm to you. There are certain ways to keep on the straight and narrow. This most frequently is morals and gut instinct, is it right, is it wrong? Sometimes you donít have time to decide whether it is right or wrong but do it. When you do find yourself in that situation, you can come back later and repair the damage that you have done as long as you do it with good intentions at heart, it is easy to repair any damage that you might have done. If it is done with a self-serving purpose and you know this, then it becomes more difficult to repair the damage that has been done but more necessary to repair the damage that has been done. Because if that is left unaddressed, it will come back to haunt you at a later time. Coercion in itself is a good tool, it's a very useful tool but it is one of the more harder ones to actually master and use beneficially. It is quite common from what I have heard on a third dimensional level to use it in a negative way. Sometimes coercion is used in what appears to be a negative way. For example, let us take my favorite topic, somebody that is sexually repressed and they have difficulty interacting in a sexual way. Using coercion to seduce a person like that, that wants to be sexually active and interactive is good because it frees up their libido from being bottled up and pent-up inside them. So by seducing somebody that wants to be seduced but is used to having their sexual urges repressed can be beneficial. Sometimes however you can unleash a monster as has happened quite a few times in the history of the world. Somebody that becomes after being coerced into becoming sexually active, that turns into a sexual monster appetite wise has to be refocused and have that urge addressed because it will destroy them. For example, Katrina the Great, she was seduced and became very sexually active. It ruled her life. Certainly she was a great leader as a czarina, she could of been a lot better if she wasnít hopping in and out of beds half the time. Another example, I canít remember her name, (PasiphaŽ) but she became very sexually active in Greek mythology and ended up being seduced by a bull and giving birth to the Minotaur. This is a myth but it is also a way of looking at being overly sexually active. Now, when that situation occurs the person that has opened up this individual to their sexual excesses, needs to be the person that puts the proverbial cork back in the bottle but do not turn the person back into a sexually repressed person. They must learn how to have a sexual, sexually normal life. But that again depends from the individual to individual. What is normal for me may not be normal for you. So, by using your coercion to help somebody in a sexually repressed state has to be done very carefully and how you do this is little by little, bit by bit. Otherwise as I pointed out, you will have a sexual monster on your hands. If you use it repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly to have an intimate reaction with the person that is sexually repressed, you will create the monster. You have to be able to do it as few times as possible for them to lead a normal life. Certainly coercing them to become sexually active to start off with is the only way that successfully works but if you use it the next time and the next time the next time, then you will create a monster. But if you donít use it on the second time and it happens and you make love to that person, it must be done differently then the first time. It must be either very hard and fast or very slow and tender. It has to be the opposite of the initial coercive action so that they experience both sides of the coin. I suppose I get myself a job as a sexual therapist on this. Don't you think so Russ?
Russ: Iíd go.
Kiri: of course you would go, you donít need coercing on that. Do you have any questions now?
Russ: yes, this ties along kind of with what Karra was saying in regards to the fact that isnít being as a coercer subject to also that God complex?
Russ: and beating that down, could you give me some and our audience of hundreds of listeners aÖ.
Kiri: an example?
Russ: an example of how to beat it down, how to not do it, how to get around it or get out of it.
Kiri: Iíve never experienced it. From what Iíve heard, it happens on the third dimension. Our educational system up here sets in certain rules that are, think what you are doing, think of the negative and the positive. Negative first, what can go wrong? What harm can you do? Then think of the positive and what good can come from coercion. So by having these simple structures and sitting down in a learning environment and debating the negatives of coercing in itself drives home the point that you can have failures and frequently you have failures in the early years learning how to use coercion. On the third dimension, I donít really have the experience to be able to tell you what you must do to overcome that God experience except for again sooner or later it will happen where you will brought down.
Russ: hmm, okay. Well I know you talked about that one corrupt coercer on Sirius.
Russ: and it sounds like a similar situation where he had a God complex.
Kiri: no, he just got his kicks from doing harm.
Russ: oh. Okay, now you did make one little statement there that I have a little problem with......
Russ: that maybe you can clarify where you said through your studies, it appears to beÖ.itís much harder to act in a negative manner coercably on the third dimension.
Kiri: I meant that the opposite way around.
Russ: thank you. I had one or two little, slight problems with that when you said that.
Kiri: uh-huh, itís easier on the third dimensional toÖ
Russ: easier yes.
Kiri: yes coerce in a negative way.
Russ: I was going to say, wait a minute. Okay yeah that makes more sense now.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, my time is up.
Russ: bye Kiri.
(Omal has his final input of the session.)
Omal: greetings Russ for the final time as I have to depart for a Council meeting.
Omal: okay, you have covered the only point that I was going to bring up. Kiri in her excitement let her mouth run away and did not monitor what she was saying correctly. That is all I have to say except for live long, prosper and Iíll be back.
Russ: have a great meeting.
Omal: okay thank you.
(Tia returns for the final time.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, well I still donít have time for a dissertation because......
Tia: huh? Bunny yes. She will be giving a demonstration I suppose.
Tia: she is the initial prober.
Tia: because youíve had experience with her probings. OkayÖ.
Russ: bye love.
(Bunny finishes up yet another memorable session.)
Russ: hi Bunny.
Bunny: (Does the Lion King song "Hakuna Matata".) Sorry, just my theme music.
Russ: I know, Iíve been singing it myself for a while.
Russ: how you doing dear?
Bunny: very horny.
Russ: okay so weíre at normal status then.
Bunny: uh-huh, nipples are hard.
Russ: wet between the legs.
Bunny: no Iím not actually.
Russ: oh thatís not horny then, it's merely aroused.
Bunny: yes, I am aroused. Iím in aÖ.
Russ: two different things completely.
Bunny: I could get very wet very quickly. Okay, let me see, what are we here to discuss tonight?
Russ: oh probing.
Bunny: oh I am to probe you huh? Well Iíve changed my mind, Iím not going to probe you.
Russ: which means youíre going to probe me.
Bunny: what makes you say that?
Russ: just logical statement of fact.
Russ: you throw me off guard so Iím not worried about my shielding, then you attempt to probe me so therefore I learn how to get the point across.
Bunny: so what did the doctor want today? Well?
Russ: what doctor?
Bunny: the doctor that you did some computer work for.
Russ: there was no doctor today.
Bunny: or was that yesterday?
Russ: it was a couple days ago.
Bunny: oh it was.
Russ: three days ago.
Russ: ahh okay, how do you do it and that way I can know how to defeat it? Because I didnít know that you are doing it so obviously Iím screwing up somewhere here and I need to know how to get around that.
Bunny: Iíll give a demonstration.
Bunny: where did the feline go?
Russ: right next to you thereÖ..other side, right there, straight down. Oh, now you're walking over here.
Bunny: come here feline.
Russ: now sheís in front of you, on the side. Here, Iíll give you one on my lap for a demonstration....there.
Russ: demonstration kitty.
Bunny: demonstration on what I do to you. What am I doing to the feline?
Russ: petting it.
Bunny: uh-huh. The feline isnít comfortable here, there you go. Well, normally the feline would start to purr and thatís basically what I do to your shielding is I make it purr. And by making it purr by soothing it and stroking it and lowering your resistance and distracting you makes it easier for me to penetrate.
Russ: hmm, well.....
Bunny: I use the one secret weapon that women have.
Russ: sex appeal.
Bunny: uh-huh, even though itís not my body down there, I can still do it. I use my voice, I use body language and I use charm.
Russ: well you look harmless enough.
Bunny: donít let this playful, youthful well-toned nymphomaniacís body fool you. Underneath this beautiful, feminine, charming, delightful, polite teenager beats the heart of a ruthless maniac, unlike my sister.
Russ: (laughs) which one?
Bunny: the one that's sitting over there sucking on my toes.
Russ: ahh Leah.
Bunny: uh-huh who I have wrapped around my little finger.
Russ: back to this. Now we're on to the question of God complex's this evening.
Bunny: oh I am God.
Russ: right well which is a good point in making that how do you avoid after getting through someoneís shields so easily the God complex taking over? Or you just let it?
Bunny: Iíve never had the desire to want to take over totally.
Russ: because itís a form of coercion, correct?
Bunny: yeah, uh-huh. I'm stacked with coercion.
Russ: so therefore again, as in with Kiri, there is that problem where you would get that God complex I mean.
Bunny: I suppose so, Iíve never had that experience.
Russ: well I mean the possibilities are there.
Bunny: I mean as I said, I guess so.
Bunny: the fact that Iíve never experienced it doesnít mean to say that it wonít happen. Youíve got to remember, I have not been to much in the way of formal education.
Russ: oh, thatís true.
Bunny: uh-huh. Until I was 13, I was schooled at home.
Russ: hmm, never thought of that.
Bunny: uh-hmm, I kind of started enjoying the same recreations that Leah got into, sailing and hanging out with the sailors and kind of she was into sunning herself in private whereas I am more of a extrovert, sheís an introvert. So I started dancing and playing with myself whilst dancing and so on. I suppose that in itself is a form of coercion.
Russ: uh-huh, well now youíre trying to become healer correct?
Russ: so itís been my observations that a coercive healer is quite a handy commodity to have.
Funny: yes, Iíve been told that by quite a number of people. One that I had my head between her legs the other day and she goes, reaches down, pulls me up and goes, ďhon, apart from tasting good and having a good tongue, you really should start to learn more about healing and my sister will help you with your coercion so that we can mesh them together to be a team.Ē (Ed. note: It sounds like something Karra would say.)
Russ: and yeah, they make a great team.
Russ: good, I look forward toÖ..
Russ: seeing what happens there.
Russ: letís see, I was going to talk to you about something tonight, I canít remember what it was though. Something specific I wanted to ask you about.
Bunny: my panties?
Russ: no......that wasnít part of the question I donít think.
Bunny: it concerns the holo correct? (A hologram she had made as an entertainer and had given to Karra and myself as a gift.)
Bunny: no? Have you tried that yet?
Russ: no not yet.
Russ: Iíve been working a little too hard lately for that.
Bunny: oh thatís right, yeah.
Russ: oh hereís something.
Russ: is it possible to coerce mind-to-mind and not beÖÖwithout the other personís permission and yet still not have this moral problem?
Bunny: I donít know, I donít have the schooling.
Russ: nah, neither do I unfortunately.
Bunny: no. Iíd much sooner talk about an explanation on the moral dilemma that your people have with promiscuity. Oh, are you coming to see me dance tomorrow?
Russ: oh yes thatís right, I will have some free time for that.
Russ: I should be able to be there, yes.
Bunny: yeah. Thatís 9 oíclock, corner barÖÖ.oh, 9 oíclock our time.
Russ: right, 11 oíclock our time.
Russ: uh-huh, Iím going to get well rested for that.
Bunny: yeah, Iím going to be dressed in some really sexy, hot stuff. Had it custom-made for me too and it was a gift.
Russ: anyway, hereís the reason. Iíve been thinking about this question that you have by the way.....
Russ: and I have an answer for you now.
Russ: the problem comes in the most part from what I understand as diseases. Itís not such a Bible issue anymore as it used to be, itís mostly the form of communicable diseases that get passed along due to promiscuity. Sexually transmitted diseases.
Bunny okay yeah.
Russ: okay? Thereís quite a variety out there, some are fatal.
Bunny: whatís AIDS? You have that in your mind with horror.
Russ: right, itís the immune deficiency syndrome and itís a fatal disease whichÖ..
Bunny: thatís horrific, it attacks the cells and it basically destroys the ability to heal itself?
Russ: yeah, it takes away your immune deficiency.
Bunny: yeah, Iíve got all that.
Russ: right, they're gone, itís history.
Bunny: syphilis? Thatís curable by the looks of it.
Bunny: but it's nastyÖÖ
Russ: thereís others that arenít.
Bunny: it does what did the brain? Thatís nasty, thatís horrible.
Russ: thereís genital herpes.
Russ: just as bad but itís still pretty bad.
Bunny: whatís hepatitis B, C? I read it there but it means nothing to me.
Russ: yeah itís jaundice, itís basically something that affects your liver and it takes away the liverís ability to function in its proper manner so it releases poisons into your system.
Bunny: oh, okay.
Russ: Iím trying to think a few others here for you.
Bunny: uh-huh, gonorrhea.
Russ: yeah, gonorrhea.
Russ: thatís a real bad one.
Russ: AIDS is the worstÖ.
Russ: down toÖ.thereís one thing thatísÖ..
Bunny: whatís that oneÖÖ
Russ: you canít get it in my mind for a fix on it but itís permanent, thereís no cure for it but it won't kill you.
Bunny: isnít that strepto-cocle? No, that was a bacteria you were thinking of.
Russ: no that's strep throat. No, I can't get my mind on it but I mean thatís what Iím talking about, basically the whole gamutÖ..Iím not even touching the surface here.
Bunny: yeah, Iíve got all of that.
Bunny: I got all of that.
Russ: some of its curable, some of it isnít, even if it is curableÖÖ
Bunny: oh, so thatís why youíre doing that, is itís for the tape. Okay.
Russ: yeah, even though it's curable, itís still going to leave permanent scarring or problemsÖ..oh crabs.
Bunny: no, crabs is curable.
Russ: oh I know crabs is curable but itís a very embarrassing and pernicious little bugger.
Russ: you got that one, anyway....
Bunny: Tiaís saying that Mark calls it the clap.
Russ: no, clap's different, clap is gonorrhea. Crabs is littleÖ..
Bunny: oh littleÖ..
Russ: little live little buggers.
Bunny: yeah, mechanized dandruff.
Russ: yeah, you could say that. So anyway, a lot of the problems that we're seeing due to the sexually transmitted diseases go along with the moral issues of being promiscuous whereas your don't have those problems up there.
Russ: see, if we had the same kind of technology that you have as far as healing goes and as far as keeping these things from happening, yeah youíd see a much more promiscuous and open society down here.
Bunny: yeah and you know having probed and read that all in your mind, I had it explained to me whilst you were explaining it is that you have to explain it because ofÖÖ.
Russ: the tape.
Bunny: the tape device.
Russ: correct. So the people can.....when I go back and put this on the Internet, I'm not going to have this big blank spotÖ
Russ: one-sided conversations, me and Karra would have this a lot happen to us soÖ...
Russ: this will help a little. Anyway, yeah that answers your question though.
Bunny: ahh okay, I understand.
Russ: girls who are very promiscuous are seen as disease carriers.
Russ: like mosquitoes or something.
Bunny: whoís Bethany?
Russ: Bethany, Bethany isÖ..
Bunny: why did you link her with promiscuity?
Russ: I did? Okay, that was unconscious completely because I donít see her as really promiscuous, maybe I doÖÖonce? I donít know. Anyway, she used to be one of our group members here.
Bunny: but when you were thinking of promiscuity, a whole load of names popped through your head and that she was one of them.
Russ: amazing, you see my mind process better than I do.
Russ: thatís pretty amazing.
Russ: anyway, yeah basically girls who are promiscuous arenít seen as being morally upstanding.
Bunny: ahhh, you have an image of them as well is that they tend to be a little bit of reject from society? Explain that.
Russ: well for the same exact reason, because they donít take care of themselvesÖ.
Russ: you know, they have no safety factors built into themselves so they're basically causing harm.
Bunny: so they donít take care of themselves. I donít see how that could work because people like myself that are very sexually activeÖ.can you stop that for a second please, thank you. (Speaking to someone in the channeling room on the base.) People that......people that are very sexually active like myself, we take great care of our cleanliness and our looks. You know I will sit and I will brush and brush and brush and brush and brush my hair until it shines and then I will put on my lipstick and I will make sure that that shines. And I will hide any blemishes that I have such as hickeys or spots on my nose or cuts or scrapes, I will hide them to be as beautiful as I can but yet you have the image of somebody that overly painted with makeup, smelling strongly of perfume.....
Russ: all right, letís put it this way. Letís say for example someone who is sexually promiscuous gets AIDS.
Russ: okay on one night with a guy all right? The next night, sheís with another guy, heís now got AIDS okay? Heís going to die. Now this might go on for as many guys as she has.
Russ: and maybe they wonít catch it, some people are immune to it and donít get it, some of them only get a lesser form of it.
Russ: but sheís a carrier and she wonít know until months later because itís one of those thing that takes 10 months to even start to show any signs of it......
Russ: and sheís basically infected every single person that sheís been with unless they practice of course safe sex.
Russ: and let's say she doesnít like to practice safe sex. Well guys aren't going to argue with her in general.
Russ: unless she says something, theyíll just jump right in.
Russ: so she might not even have it or know she has it and yet she's just been the cause of the deaths of who knows how many people? Well she does.
Russ: but then they go on and infect like say their mates.
Russ: and their mates and so on and so on.
Bunny: so thatís why your society has the look down upon somebody that is active?
Russ: absolutely. It didnít used to be this bad you know? Back in the '60s and stuff when you didn't have to worry about that.
Russ: but now with AIDS, yeah itís a very real possibility and anybody youíre with couldÖ..
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