CONFERENCE CALL 07/14/99

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Archivist Notes: As promised in last month's session, December brings the conference Karra was preparing in anticipation of the dignitaries that were expected to attend. The first dignitary to speak was Ashtar who asked us some questions needed to choose a Sirian representative for the conference. Monka came next to also ask some questions but these were on the technical needs that had to be discussed prior to the conference. Tanaka was the last of the dignitaries and offered an official welcome from Sirius to those initiating the process. Ashtar made a surprise return to the channeling field to clarify a final detail followed by Lyka who had been researching political negotiations recently.

    Side two saw Omal come on to explain the three stages the conference would take and the tricky arrangements that would be needed to host the Sirian representatives. Treebeard helps with our understanding of the time perception differences we have with devas and trees but in effort to save more of those trees on Earth, we asked President Tanaka for his ideas next and the result is a surprising suggestion of a material used on Sirius but not developed on Earth. While key parts have had to be edited out, it is a tantalizing concept and hopefully we will make the logical choice to switch to a similar product some day. We poke a little fun at Kiri who wraps up the session over letting this revelation through and she helps us with a Star Trek paradox related to this near violation of the prime directive.

SPEAKERS
ATTENDEES
KIRI Co-Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
ASHTAR RUSS
MONKA SKIP
TANAKA SHANE
LYKA
OMAL
TREEBEARD  
KARRA Co-Mistress of Ceremonies  


SIDE 1

3.)(22:00)- President Tanaka formally welcomes us to the conference and defines the position of the representative from Sirius. 

4.)(24:31)- Karra ponders the challenges of hosting the representative from Sirius. 

5.)(31:06)- Ashtar returns to get some relevant conference details arranged.

6.)(36:43)- Kiri relates the surprise she received at Ashtar's return.

7.)(39:04)- Lyka shares with us her observations gathered from her recent research on political negotiations in Earth's past.

SIDE 2

2.)(13:16)- Treebeard reminds us of the differences in the time perception of devas and trees.

3.)(19:56)- Tanaka comes back on and talks about a Sirian construction material with hilarious results.

4.)(31:03)- Kiri helps us take on a Star Trek paradox and goes over the details of the project she gave us again.

Part 1 Listen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB)
Duration: 46.30 min. - Filetype: mp3
Part 2 Listen to this episode (RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB)
Duration: 41.55 min. - Filetype: mp3


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SIDE ONE

(Karra comes on in her formal duties to introduce the first of the honored dignitaries.)

 
Skip: okay, we're on the air babe.

Karra: hey greetings and salutations and welcome. Tonight, we're going to go straight to the speakers to start off with and as soon as they are done, we will get back to a normal format. In the meantime, what we will do is we will put on the first speaker in a few moments after we've done the introductions of Russ, say hello please.

Russ: hello.

Karra: Skip.

Skip: good evening young lady.

Karra: and young man, you are vaguely familiar, you are....

Shane: Shane.

Karra: Shane, okay.

Russ: why don't you pull your chair up a little bit more Shane so we can get it on the tape.

Karra: okay. As I said, we have some very special guests here tonight so we will without further ado I will step aside and we will put on our first guest speaker.




(Ashtar gets things started.)

Ashtar: greetings and felicitations. It is an honor and a pleasure to be here this evening in a communication that we will now commence with. It has been brought to my attention that contact has been established with a Zeta group which is part of our design planned for expediting the current conferences which will be starting in a brief period of time. The definition of brief is a statement which is in our perception different from your definition of brief. Whether it is one year or a hundred years is besides the point whilst that is a brief moment in time. The purpose of these discussions will become more clear even though there is a little bit of negativity and hostility being projected by the Zeta Reticuloids and their reptilian allies. It is with difficulty that these hurdles must be overcome to facilitate a speedy and understandable communication which will be able to aid in the growth of the spiritual consciousness of your planet. We are not going to take a moral high road or a moral low road. We are going to react in a way that will facilitate the growth for all people for the best possible outcome for all parties involved. The spiritual growth that is necessary for your planet is something that all parties involved must help. We are here to ask a number of questions. First of all the first question is, where do you perceive your spiritual consciousness going?

Russ: at present, I personally see our spiritual consciousness growing toward a higher dimension to make an evolutionary leap.

Ashtar: is that as a individual your personal beliefs or as a whole as in a racial belief?

Russ: that is my personal feelings for us as a race.

Ashtar: okay but what is the race feeling? We have three representatives here, what is your feelings?

Skip: from what I can gather and what I've seen happen in the last 10 to 15 years which is a moment in your time I understand, but it appears to me that more and more and more of our world is becoming to the point of where they're talking about seeing the light which is spiritual growth as far as I can see.

Ashtar: okay second question, young man, do you have anything as you are the youngest member here that you wish to comment on concerning your perception of spiritual growth?

Shane: uh-uh.

Ashtar: nothing at this time?

Shane: no, nothing.

Ashtar: okay. Okay second question is concerning what is the perception of the various racial entities and the groups involved in these discussions. Again, I would like an answer from each of you please.

Russ: okay, the Zeta Reticuli have got a almost what you might call a media blitz going whereby they are presented as the one and only alien species that is out there working for either the benefit or the non-benefit of humans depending on which particular thing you see. On a racial level, other species just aren't really represented in any kind of media or any kind of presentation so it's really kind of one-sided right now on a racial basis down here of how people perceive other races.

Skip: now wait a minute, can I ask a question so I can understand this a little bit better? Are you talking about the racial entities on our planet or how we perceive other races within the universe?

Ashtar: the other races within the universe.

Skip: ahhh okay. I really don't know, I really can't give you an answer on that. It's a little bit beyond my comprehension at the present time.

Ashtar: young man?

Shane: I don't have anything to say.

Ashtar: okay. With it in mind that there seems to be a perception in some quarters that there is a media quote unquote blitz going on with one particular species, then this may present a problem in being able to get more individuals active within the negotiation process. How would you feel about a entity that is more humanoid in appearance?

Russ: I think it would reflect well on the talks themselves as people would respond better to that as opposed to something that is more unhuman-like due to the fact that really the only other unhuman-like alien you ever really see perceived are kind of really etheric.

Skip: yeah theoretically through our media or whatever, they've perceived other races or other beings as completely alien to our sight, communications, whatever. To have a humanoid more representative or appearance in humanoid form would probably further the talks a lot faster than having a nonhuman form okay?

Ashtar: okay. Young man?

Shane: nope.

Ashtar: no comment at this time, okay. With that in mind, somebody that would be more of a humanoid quote earthling appearance would be much more suitable than somebody of a more ethereal appearance so therefore for your ease of mind and that of your species, it would be easier to have an individual that sounded and looked more as you do, is that correct?

Russ: correct.

Shane: uh-huh.

Skip: yes, I believe you're correct there yeah.

Ashtar: okay, thank you. I have nothing to add at this time.

Skip: okay.




(Karra returns to hand off to the next dignitary.)


Skip: yeah, that would make it a lot quicker, people would be more comfortable with that kind of appearance.

Russ: right.

Shane: somebody's here.

Karra: you're very, very intuitive aren't you?

Shane: what does that mean?

Karra: that means you are very instinctual or observant. Intuitive being intuition.

Shane: I just like to see the little....then I know that someone's here.

Karra: okay, all fun aside, okay we will continue with our next speaker and we will go through the next speaker as expediently as possible and then we will have our final speaker shortly thereafter. I probably won't interrupt in between, okay?

Skip: all right darling.




(Monka comes on to ask questions on the technical aspects of the conference.)

Monka: greetings and felicitations and again, welcome on behalf of my esteemed colleague that spoke prior and Madame ambassador. It is my duty as a communicator and a historian to be able to talk to you tonight on the technological advances that I have been commenting on in previous discussions that we have had with your small group. You'll have to excuse my energy flow, it seems to be interrupting the host body's natural energy flow. Where we will go with this brief comments and then I too will ask some questions is concerning the technological interaction with the medium that you wish to use. It seems to me having observed and analyzed various data that now it is getting close to the desired point that we wish where once the discussions start to take place, it can be done in a much more easier format then either dictating or by using your digitals to type in messages on a keyboard instrument. It is now getting to the point where due to your currency flow that the cost of little apparatuses for viewing are becoming from a prohibited price to a inexpensive price and so therefore you will be able to use these mediums to be able to have recorded announcements through the host's vocal capacities and to be able to interact at certain times, at prearranged times so that all parties can from time to time meet as it were face-to-face even though it will be through the medium of your current entertainment system of the Internet. The purpose would be more useful and more user-friendly so therefore it would be putting a human face on the discussions. However the problem I perceive is that some of the entities may not wish to do so and those that do may be working through mediums that would be into using fiscal currencies so unfortunately that would slow down the process. But, with the technology that I see very soon to be more used and the non-prohibitive price of the equipment relating to this will definitely speed up the process and give access to those individuals that have the desire to be able to communicate in this medium. Now the first question that I will be asking is, how do you feel about the interaction and the current growth in the technology that you are using with the ability to view over great distances using your entertainment medium and news services over your digital cabling system?

Russ: well the digital cabling is allowing faster internet access in various parts that it's at. Unfortunately there are still many parts that don't have such technology as yet and still rely on dial-out modems which would slow down the connection speed as far as making this workable. As far as the other goes, is the capabilities now with the cameras is it still camera ready as far as conference call but a lot of it is still having to type in the answers and the questions on a keyboard to have them pop up next to the image that's being displayed.

Monka: hmmm....I am under the impression that this is about to change.

Russ: hmm, I haven't heard much on that yet though the technology is there, it's just like I said, that's still not quite as inexpensive yet....oh wait...

Skip: videophone.

Russ: videophone of course.

Skip: yes it is, it is. It's feasible right now.

Russ: right, you know more about that than I do actually Skip.

Skip: yes I do. Videophone.....excuse me, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Monka: no, that was desired.

Skip: videophone is a video camera on top of our screens which we view and talking over a phone through the net, you can see the person you're talking to and they can see you. And it is over telephone lines like Russ said, there's a lot of areas that don't have the cable yet but the cable companies are very, very hot on this because it is a lot faster than the telephone lines.

Monka: okay.

Skip: these are both our means of communications but the equipment has come down in price to a point where most people can afford it.

Monka: okay now concerning the cable, am I correct in assuming that that is a metal cable encased in a plastic and ceramic casing?

Russ: fiber-optic.

Monka: fiber-optic.

Skip: it's fiber-optics and it's a lot quicker than the telephone which is plastic and metal okay?

Monka: okay. And also is it correct.......am I correct in assuming that satellite capability would be even faster?

Russ: right.

Skip: yeah but I don't know if that is in complete operation yet or not.

Russ: almost. Microsoft has got another year left before it gets distributed.

Skip: yeah ALO has been doing that aren't they?

Russ: right, there is enough satellites.

Monka: as Ashtar said, that time to us is a different perception then of your time.

Skip: yeah. Well it's in the near future let's put it that way.

Russ: blink of an eye for your time perception right.

Skip: yeah it will be....it will be in operation by the time these discussions start I believe.

Monka: good, so it would be easy to say that once the discussions start, we would be able to go from one set of communication systems to a much more sophisticated and less cost prohibitive than the original investment made by individuals in more primitive communication systems?

Russ: correct, definitely.

Skip: correct, yeah, yeah.

Monka: okay and to this end it would be easier once this system installs to work as a group being the earth human group as opposed to other groups to work together to improve each others communication systems and mediums?

Skip: yeah we're doing that constantly trying to upgrade our own communications within our sphere of communication now. Everybody's trying to do this is upgrade so that we can get better.

Monka: okay.

Skip: that's the only way I can put it is better.

Monka: okay so following a vein similar to Ashtar's, it would be easier to have a representative from the world of Sirius that was fluent in your English communication, would that be beneficial?

Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.

Skip: yes indeed, yes indeed.

Monka: so to select an individual, they would be necessary to be very communicative and learning ability would have to be high so that they could learn your interesting local dialects?

Skip: yeah our colloquialisms and idiosyncrasies and stuff like that, yeah you're correct.

Monka: so it would be useful for an individual that may have possibly had time, served on your planet?

Russ: uh-huh. Though also...

Monka: or why that would not be suitable.

Russ: well, though also there is a certain amount of decorum that would be necessary for this.

Skip: well not only that, but you're going to run into a little bit of a challenge here of different parts of even our nation have different.......we call them brogues, dialects.

Monka: I am familiar.

Skip: they're not that far from the English, American language. I can't say English because that's a different, that's a different way of speaking than Americans do okay?

Monka: I am aware that English has many different varieties within it under one auspice of a name even though it would be correct to say that there is American, there is Canadian, there is New Zealand, there is South African, Australian and of course, English.

Skip: yeah you understand then, I was just trying to put that in there because that's going to have to be learned by whoever talks to us to the different areas of the country, they're going to have to know these things.

Monka: so an individual that has a more generic American accent would be more suitable than an individual that has no accent all?

Russ: well your accent for example using Mark's body right now and the way it's coming out.....

Monka: I am aware that it does have a English, English hint to it.

Russ: right, but still it's perfect for what you're looking for I think.

Skip: yeah I think so too. I think Russ is correct in his assumption.

Monka: hmmm, I would be unable to participate.

Russ: right but whoever you did would have to......if they had your same English capabilities and way of speaking will be perfectly workable.

Monka: Hostine would also be unavailable due to the fact that he has more of what you would call a southern surf language?

Russ: ahhh, Monk. (A speaker we had spoken to from Sirius before.)

Skip: oh Monk. Yeah but that's okay, several of the people that we have spoken to from Sirius or Ashtar Command have got command of the language that's very acceptable.

Monka: we feel that it would be best to have an individual that has had little or no contact with your planet so therefore it would be an unbiased and unopinionated point of view that would be able to be used. The feeling that we are getting is that if we had a individual that had experience with your planet, they would be tainted by the perceptions of the planet.

Russ: quite true.

Monka: so therefore an individual that is totally unknowing of the setup would be an ideal candidate. Am I correct in assuming that?

Skip: yeah there you go.

Russ: absolutely.

Skip: you're completely right there.

Monka: okay final question is concerning the necessary security to start off with these discussions and the security of the communication systems. Am I correct in assuming that using a system that would be difficult to interfere with would be feasible?

Russ: well it's not so much the system as the software involved but yes it is feasible. You could set it up so that it's password-protected.

Monka: what about the term encrypting?

Russ: as long as everyone has all the right encryption gear on all ends it could be done yeah.

Monka: that is something that can be worked upon?

Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.

Shane: I have an idea, you know how they've got all those eye retina scanners?

Russ: well that's a little......that's going to a financial extreme there.

Skip: that's way ahead of us.

Shane: uh-uh.

Skip: yes it is, it's way ahead of us with our computers.

Shane: oh, with the computers yeah.

Russ: it's getting there, we're close.

Skip: we're close but no cigar yet okay?

Russ: anyway yeah, the encryption would work as far as keeping anybody from coming into it. It could still be hacked, but it would be a lot tougher.

Monka: okay, what about an encryption system with the terminology fire breaks?

Russ: oh firewalls yeah? Yes, basically you'd have to run it with your servers that are going through, each of the various speakers would have to go through a firewall that's right, that would keep the encryption secure, so a secure server right.

Skip: yeah, yeah, firewall would do that.

Monka: okay thank you.

Skip: you're sharper on that than I am.

Russ: yeah.

Monka: okay thank you very much..

Russ: my pleasure, enjoy. Yeah a firewall would work well.

Skip: yeah you're sharper on that than I am. I don't know that much about firewalls. See, you're way ahead of me Russ when it comes...

Shane: hmmm...

Skip: you are, you're way ahead of me.




(President Tanaka changes places with Monka.)

Tanaka: greetings.

Russ: greetings.

Skip: greetings.

Tanaka: greetings. I am honored to be the last speaker. It is my honor and privilege to be the the elected representative of Sirius that has been elected to attend tonight in my duties as president. I formally thank all of you for participating in these discussions. I also thank you for being present this evening and asking and answering questions that are very useful in helping us to formulate a answer and a discussion that will aid us with our various council members to select an individual that would be ideal for the position that we are offering. The individual is not an ambassador. The individual is a representative to the discussions from Sirius but not an ambassadorial position as to have two ambassadors on Hades Base from Sirius would be a serious conflict and an insult to the current ambassador and make the position of the current ambassador very tenuous and difficult. This individual will report directly to the ambassador who in turn will report directly to myself and my successor or the successor that will follow the current ambassador once the position is vacant if that is so desired by the current ambassador. It is my duty as president to welcome all individuals that are going to be participating and you are participating in the basic start up process so on behalf of Sirius, I thank you deeply. It is an honor and a pleasure to be able to communicate with a wide cross-section of age within your planet from the youngest to one of the most senior being present. It is also my duty to make myself available through the ambassador for any questions that any of you have to ask or any suggestions that you feel may be useful for the discussion. Again it is my honor and a privilege to be here and thank you very much.

Russ: thank you.

Skip: thank you.





(Karra returns to hand over the ring mistress duties back to Kiri.)

Russ: that is Kiri and Karra's father.

Skip: oh okay.

Russ: President Tanaka or dad.

Skip: super, super. My pleasure.

Russ: dad, as we call him.

Karra: please, at the moment that would not be appropriate.

Russ: no it would not.

Skip: no I understand that but it is an honor.

Russ: I do have a question though is I'm not exactly clear on what are the duties of this person from Sirius that they're going to be doing with the conference.

Karra: I don't think they're too clear at this time either. It is nice to have it confirmed that it will not be a......

Russ: ambassadorial.

Karra: thank you, an ambassadorial position and as this is a formal moment Russ, thank you, it is a very difficult position to have an individual in my jurisdiction as a possible assistant, ambassador or an undersecretary for whatever purpose is going to definitely be a position that is going to be difficult and demanding for the individual. As I am the ambassador, I will answer any questions that are open and have been brought forth at this time. Are there any questions?

Skip: I have one just for my own curiosity. Is Sirius going to choose a representative from the earth to go into this conference, talks, discussions, however you want to put it?

Karra: more than likely, that will be the case. There will be a representative from earth that will be brought in. Again, somebody that is having the best interests of your species at heart. Not an individual that has worked with any group whatsoever in the past

Skip: uh-huh okay. Thank you, I appreciate that.

Karra: no problem. Any more questions?

Skip: no thank you.

Shane: no.

Russ: basically I have one is on the just what we know of the communication abilities for this conference, I assume that there's going to be various forms of communication used and not just restricting it to just one.

Karra: that is correct.

Russ: okay.

Skip: oh okay, all right.

Karra: okay, thank you very much, on behalf of the Council of Sirius and the Council of 12, it has been an honor and a pleasure.

Skip: thank you very much.

Russ: thank you.




(Kiri resumes her normal ring mistress duties.)

Russ: so it would be more like chat rooms and a videoconference phone and regular email transferring back and forth.

Skip: hey baby.

Kiri: hey, hey, hey.

Skip: you all right?

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: I'm cool, I'm hip.

Skip: you been listening in to what's been going on?

Kiri: oh very much so.

Skip: oh I figured you was, I figured you was.

Kiri: yeah we're sitting here watching very intently all the comings and goings. Everybody has been stiff and formal, myself included.

Skip: yeah I noticed. Now you can relax.

Kiri: uh-huh, I can relax. Big sis is walking everybody to the door doing the formal ambassadorial positions, Madam ambassador. Okay, you got any questions?

Russ: how many are we limited to?

Kiri: well there's going to be Omal will be present in a few I think. I'm not in on what is going on fortunately. I wouldn't want the headaches that my sister has been going through.

Russ: stomachaches would be a better word for it.

Kiri: yes she's been discussing that with Mark as well actually.

Russ: she's been going through a stomachaches all day on this one.

Skip: oh boy.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: uh yeah question darling.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: these talks.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: can't be limited to one individual to represent each planet, that won't work.

Kiri: well why not?

Skip: well, looking at our own planet.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: there isn't in my estimation any one person that has that much ability or trust or faith in this planet to represent it.

Kiri: so what you're saying is that an individual from your planet would be able to be corrupted and put in their own personal views as opposed to what would be beneficial for the all?

Skip: yes, yes, I really believe that because I have never in my lifetime which is a short period of time in your estimation.

Kiri: hey, you're older than I am almost. Nope, I'm older.

Skip: seen or heard of any one person that can handle that kind of responsibility, faith and loyalty okay?

Kiri: okay so if I am correct, it would be better to have a group of individuals representing your species?

Skip: I believe so and the reason why I'm going along with the group theory is because each one of them will keep the rest of them honest.

Kiri: ahh, I see an idea.

Skip: do you understand where I'm coming from?

Russ: actually I have a different viewpoint on that.

Skip: okay, go ahead.

Russ: well due to the fact that the representatives from each race, and since we are hosting, are actually going to be channels from this planet. In other words, we're gathering people together to channel from each different race so all at the same time can work through the channels in these conversations in these conferences. So therefore you are actually getting a number of humans together in the purposes of conducting these conferences. It's just that when they're channeling, it will be the entities representing each of those races that will be there but each race is actually represented by a human.





(Ashtar makes a surprise return.)

Ashtar: am I correct in assuming that it would be more suitable to have a group of independent individuals possibly one person from your planet to one person from each other planet or species? For example, one earth person for one person representing the Zeta's. Another earth person from earth to negotiate with the Sirians. And one individual for the individual that would be channeling from the Pelladian's. So it would be one earth person per other channel?

Russ: right.....well no not per channel but each earth person could be gone while they were channeling.

Ashtar: no, what I'm saying is that an earth person if there are eight races involved then there are eight earth representatives. Would that be more beneficial?

Russ: it would seem to be, that would give a better cross-section.

Ashtar: so as in your legal system you have a jury, then a jury of individuals to the equivalent number of species involved in the discussions would be better?

Russ: hmm.

Skip: hmmm, that would be one I'd have to start thinking about really hard. The only drawback that I've got and thought that comes to the back of my mind and I'm going to voice it is, any of these people that are speaking through the channels can more or less impose or intercede their own thoughts which can be corrupt through the channel.

Ashtar: that is correct, that is why I am thinking that it would be better to have an equal number of earth representatives that would be able to spot and maybe force the situation to change.

Skip: yeah because I think a group of individuals even though they're dedicated, would keep each other honest. Does that make sense?

Ashtar: that makes logical sense.

Skip: because you take one person, if he thinks about being corrupt, he can do it and he doesn't have to answer to anybody. If there's several of them, then he don't think about being corrupt because there is other people present while things are going on.

Ashtar: you bring up a very interesting point that we will look at and it is a point that is definitely necessary to be addressed.

Skip: okay.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: I'm sorry, I just had to voice this because it's too easy for one person to become corrupt.

Ashtar: it is very good that you bring it up. It is something that we have overlooked in our trying to create an equal footing but it is something that is very correct for you to bring to the forefront at this time. It is something that it is better to have it brought to the forefront at this time then once the discussions have started. Because it would be difficult....

Skip: to change.

Ashtar: to....exactly.

Skip: to change yeah.

Ashtar: we would be back to square one if we had to change representatives from your planet whereas if you have five or eight individuals, one can definitely fall by the wayside or even two and you can still continue whilst replacements are looked for and are given the information to fill-in. Whereas if one individual was the only representative and that individual for whatever reason became unable to participate, then there would be no representative from your planet so therefore it would be very useful. What a further idea might be is for each representative that there is a replacement representative that is informed of what is going on but not of the points of view of the individuals that are involved. So therefore they would be kept informed at all times of what is going on.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: so if anything happened they could step into their place.

Ashtar: that is correct.

Skip: yeah, yeah, that would be great.

Ashtar: okay, do you have any more concerns that are, should be brought up at this time?

Russ: no, can't say......

Skip: I don't think so. That was the one that was really bothering me.

Ashtar: okay as President Tanaka said, if you have any concerns, any ideas, if you could forward that information to himself through the ambassador, that would be very useful and obviously it would be brought to our attention immediately these concerns are given.

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay.

Ashtar: if you know of anybody else that has concerns or brings up concerns, again forward it on to
President Tanaka and then it will be forwarded on to us to be looked upon.

Russ: excellent.

Skip: okay thank you.

Ashtar: thank you.

Skip: thank you.




(Kiri takes over her responsibilities once more.)

Skip: yeah, that's the only concern I had was being....

Russ: that's a good one after I had been talking like I say, well Mark has been to the representatives of the Zeta and the Reptoids and there has been some....

Kiri: I'm back.

Russ: kind of negativity coming from those quarters towards that point.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: so it's better to have something as far as backup concerned.

Skip: well you stop and figure out, one individual representing the earth. He's faithful, he's honest, he's correct.......oh I'm sorry.....

Kiri: he? What's wrong with she?

Skip: no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just using that as a....

Russ: generic term.

Skip: right.

Kiri: ohhh.

Skip: now be nice. But still, understand this person realizes that "hey, I can rule the whole world by doing this. I can influence the whole world by being in these talks."

Russ: that's true.

Skip: to my advantage and who do I have to answer to? Nobody if I'm the only representative.

Kiri: uh-huh. And I'm glad you brought up those points and I'm glad that Ashtar was listening.

Russ: yeah I thought she, Karra was walking them to the door. I turned around going, "oh wait a minute."

(Everyone laughs.)

Russ:  I hear something.

Skip: I'm sorry, I just.....it was bothering me so I figured I better bring it up.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: as Kiri's going "excuse me."

Kiri: it wasn't quite like that. It was, I'm talking and all of a sudden there's Ashtar standing right in front of me and it's sort of like, "I think I better hand over here."

Skip: well, thank you anyhow.

Kiri: no problem, no problem okay.......as I'm back to my ring mistress duties, I'm going to go and change and we will put on.....we'll put on somebody that's loitering.

Skip: what?

Russ: loitering, just hanging around.

Shane: loitering, there you go.

Russ: waiting to talk.




(Lyka takes a break from her honor guard duties.)


Skip: yes?

Russ: you get arrested for loitering around here.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: Lyka?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: hi Lyka.

Skip: oh hi sweetheart, how are you doing?

Russ: busy night dear.

Lyka: yeah.

Skip: real busy.

Lyka: and okay as I'm not actually loitering, I was actually being very formal and official as the commanding officer present.

Skip: oh yeah.

Russ: oh yeah, the honor guard.

Skip: you would be, right the honor guard.

Lyka: even though.....

Russ: isn't that armor kind of uncomfortable on you right now?

Lyka: not as commanding officer, I don't have to wear it, I wear a dress uniform that has been altered.

Skip: oh okay, all right okay. That will fit your.....

Lyka: my belly?

Skip: yeah.

Lyka: in my current condition. (She is pregnant.)

Skip: okay.

Lyka: okay, well?

Skip: well?

Russ: well? Whatcha got to say?

Lyka: I got to say that very informative, very interesting.

Russ: uh-huh.

Lyka: I've been reading about some of your political negotiations.

Russ: ahhh, which ones?

Lyka: ones that lead up to hostilities or ones designed to prevent hostilities.

Russ: oh, like the Wry River excursion?

Lyka: uh-huh, and.....

Russ: the Kosovo conflict talks.

Lyka: uh-huh. The discussions and signing of the Magna Carta at Runnymede on the River Thames I think it was. The discussions leading up to the release of Hong Kong or the secession, not the secession, the giving of Hong Kong to a foreign crown and then the discussions leading up to the return of the possessions from a crown. The discussions concerning another little province called Macau that are going on.

Russ: 12th of December.

Skip: uh-huh.

Lyka: also various other discussions over long periods of time.

Russ: does this mean you passed your ballistics test then?

Lyka: I'm still working on ballistics.

Russ: oh.

Skip: I got a question.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: what is the matter with educated people that are discussing other people's faith in these talks per se. Why can't they just be honest with each other and settle the cotton picking thing.

Lyka: oh okay, I was little confused for a second there. I don't know, I'm looking at it with as much dumbfoundment as you are. I cannot understand that the maneuvering of individuals for example, the Kosovo situation. The maneuvering and the discussions and the political ramifications of "what's best for me, what's my angle, how can I get what I want, how can I get what suits my group better than anybody else's group?" To me, it's totally dumbfounding. I was reading a thing, a dissertation or a copy of scripts from probably about 1300 to the early 1400's which ended up with two colonial powers dividing the then known and unknown planet into spheres of influences and possession. I'm talking about the Portugal, Spain.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Lyka: do you know how long they went on?

Skip: I have no idea but it's so stupid.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: the people...

Russ: well not really, you talk about the about the money that was involved.

Skip: money isn't the important thing as far as I can see. It's the people that's the important thing.

Lyka: uh-huh. Skip is quite correct and the thing that I see having read a whole wide variety of situations where negotiations and discussions are held is that it's all done for personal gain, personal glory. It's not for the common good, what is best for all parties involved and those few individuals that have to me seems to have been stepped upon, trod upon or looked upon as negative or bad instead of what is good for their little group or themselves.

Russ: well there I sort of disagree a little bit.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: due to the fact that from my experience and my studies in it has shown that whenever somebody takes control of a country let's say or becomes in a position of power, along with that comes a positions of responsibility also to that country that they are in charge of and it's just like for myself owning a house, if I buy my house, now all of a sudden I have my property taxes, I've got my water bill, my electric bill, garbage, bill things like that that just keep coming on, they're not going to stop and I have to keep paying them and the money has to come from somewhere and so maybe with these countries is similar to owning a house. It's not so much for personal gain as to keep the bills paid and in the whole that does help out the whole.

Lyka: yes but the way that I see it, let us take the most recent ones I've been reading upon is that it's more along the lines to use your analogy, preferring one bedroom over the rest of the house and having just that one bedroom as the area that is maintained and cleaned and looked after to the utmost ability and all the rest just being left, never being cleaned, never being looked after, never being worked upon.

Skip: a prime example is the Philippines.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: the president of the Philippines had millions stashed away while his people starved.

Russ: true.

Skip: okay? That's a prime example of taking care of your country.

Lyka: bye.

Skip: okay darlin', I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get you involved in something like that. Later.




(Kiri returns to finish up side one.)

Skip: that sounds like my truck.

Russ: can't be your truck.

Shane: uh-uh, yours is louder.

Kiri: she had to go.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: and when I say she had to go, she had to go.

Skip: mother nature calling.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would spoil her uniform and she can go and change now too. Okay.

Skip: now we're getting involved in some pretty heavy discussions tonight.

Kiri: uh-huh, I was about to say, you should have carried on there because I think some of the.....

SIDE ONE ENDS



line



SIDE TWO

(Kiri gets side two started before passing on to the next speaker.)

Skip: okay, alright.

Kiri: but what I'm suggesting is have just a pure section that is in between tapes. Discussions that follow on between each speaker because I've noticed that you guys do in between speakers, have discussions that go on.

Skip: yeah, we shouldn't do that.

Kiri: no, no, no I think it's great, I think it's great because to put that in at the end of each speaker, well that should be the best way to go.

Skip: yeah, that might be.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that might be. Course that has to be up to Russ, he's the gentlemen that handles all that.

Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.

Russ: I'm the one with a sore fingers.

Skip: along with the sore fingers.

Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.

Russ: okay, she needs a good laugh.

Kiri: okay.

Shane: goodbye.

Kiri: hey, I'll be back.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: I'm the ring mistress.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: of this thinning crowd.




(Omal takes his turn in the channeling field.)

Omal: greetings and felicitations

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: greetings, greetings, greetings.

Skip: greetings Omal, how are you this evening sir?

Omal: I am functioning well. Okay....

Skip: nice to see you again.

Omal: yes, it is nice to be present and having got the formal things out of the way, we seem to be having a throat problem here. Would it be possible to get some kind of beverage please?

Russ: oh, on the way, on the way.

Skip: yes.

Omal: and if you can find some kind of cough suppressant? I think they have strained his voice.

Skip: yeah that could be, they were pushing pretty hard there. But it's okay, it's all come out as good information.

Russ: I can get chocolate milk or I can do water.

Omal: water would be sufficient.

Russ: when was last time you had a good chocolate milk Omal?

Omal: almost as.....when was the last time I had some good orange juice?

Russ: yeah.

Skip: yeah. Okay.....

Russ: okay, where is the cough suppressants?

Omal: Kiri is suggesting that you look in the drawers.

Russ: ahh, the drawers.

Omal: okay...

Skip: what have you brought for us tonight?

Omal: there is not much that I can discuss due to the fact of the nature of the discussions that you gentlemen have just been through.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: thank you. There are a few observations that I think are interesting that you may not have picked up on was an example that Monka showed very well that he was probing everybody present.

Russ: he didn't let on.

Omal: he let on briefly.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: and I believe Skip actually caught on to what was going on.

(Skip laughs.)

Omal: but it was done in a way that aided in the discussion, pushing it in a correct direction.

Russ: oh I see what he was doing.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: he was probing and directing.

Omal: correct.

Russ: right.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: coercion.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: good guy.

Skip: done a pretty good job too.

Omal: uh-huh, but it was very informative. We can all relax, the only person of the visiting dignitaries that is still present is Tanaka and he is sitting talking with his daughters in a more relaxed family moment would be a better way to describe it.

Skip: good.

Omal: but concerning what is going on, I must confess that I was pleasantly surprised on how easy-going the whole entire discussion was and also how informative the answers were. That is a complement to you guys for giving answers that were to the point and informative.

Russ: anyway, I do a technical question about this whole entire conference thing.

Omal: certainly.

Russ: with the extra people working.....

Skip: backups?

Russ: backups.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: doesn't that make the problem of arranging this just a little bit longer and a little more complicated?

Omal: correct.

Russ: I was starting to wonder about the technicalities of it all.

Omal: that is something that will be dealt with as we continue. At the moment the main concern of our visiting dignitaries was to find an individual that would be suitable from Sirius to represent Sirius to the discussions. Somebody that would have the best interests with the most fair and even attitude available. Somebody that would be able to work well within the environment. To be able to, what would be a better word? To be the ideal candidate to represent the interests of Sirius but also be fair, to be able to negotiate well by knowing your mentalities.

Russ: so we might have him for a channeling speaker quite a few times?

Omal: probably.

Russ: okay.

Omal: but there again, I also get the impression that that would not be the case as that would be influencing the individual.

Skip: yeah, that's what they brought up before, they don't want anybody that's had contact with us to be influenced by our mental capacities and our prejudices and so on and so forth.

Omal: that does bring up an interesting dilemma on our part that we will probably have to create a non-earth area on the base for this individual.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: so it would be difficult to keep this individual unbiased otherwise.

Skip: that's going to be a tough one for you guys.

Omal: oh it is something that we have worked with before. Sequestering individuals.....this is one that will be definitely for longer-term that just a few days to a few months.

Skip: bringing up the subject that Russ brought up too, is that individual going to have a backup just in case anything ever happens to him or her per se?

Omal: more than likely yes.

Skip: uh-huh, but that would be a wise move too.

Omal: ideally it would be useful to have backups for each individual but again I am not involved in that part.

Skip: yeah I understand that. But that would be a very, very intelligent move, it really would be.

Omal: I believe it is something that we, or let me rephrase that, the Sirians are already looking at.

Skip: got it, got it.

Omal: in the upcoming discussions, you must remember that this is the early stages prior to the discussions which will lead up to the conference.

Skip: trying to put everything together to try to satisfy everybody and make sure that nothing happens, I understand where you're coming from.

Omal: correct, the way it works to elaborate is that there are three clear stages. There is a stage where we get all the representatives together. There is the stage where they discuss how the conference will go, what the objectives and the goals of the conference are. And finally the actual conference itself with a start, a middle and hopefully an end.

Skip: and then some kind of an agreement....

Omal: correct.

Skip: that would satisfy everybody in the end.

Omal: from the impressions that I get, is that the Sirians wish to be able to make earth a no abduction zone where all species watch and cooperate, trade information, learn from each other, learn about the species that we're trying to aid in its spiritual growth, interact with that species in a way that will only be an exchange of information or giving of information without any contact which would be detrimental, perceived detrimental reaction from other individuals.

Skip: no transfer of prejudices and so on and so forth.

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: does that go on the webpage?

Omal: probably, probably as that would be something I will have to run through...

Russ: I think you're tipping your hand sort of.

Omal: I don't think we are, this is what we wish and so therefore it is something that can be negotiated. It is something I will have to clear with other individuals.

Russ: of course.

Skip: okay, I understand where you're coming from.

Omal: okay.

Skip: okay. That's going to be a tough one, that's going to be a tough one.

Omal: I am in a very awkward position.

Skip: yes it is, it's awkward for you and it's awkward for anybody that's coming in contact with us.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: and it's going to be a very, very, very difficult decision to make, to pick the people and talk to the people and get it set up.......wow.

Omal: well fortunately, we will just be hopefully hosting two individuals from Sirius that will be kept apart from the other non-Hades residents which is unfortunate.

Skip: your end is........from your point of view is going to be just I think is fine. What I'm looking at is the representatives from earth is going to be a bugger.

Omal: oh I think it will be a difficult challenge but one that will bear fruition later on as a whole.

Skip: it's going to be a real difficult decision to make.

Omal: oh most certainly, most certainly and fortunately it is not one I have to make.

Skip: well I'm glad I'm not making it.

Russ: well upon that same note though, where do we go from this point? We have contact, we have preparations to make, do we continue on as if what Skip and Ashtar were talking about? You know, it will be in the future but what we were talking about before is now in the go?

Omal: as far as I know, that is correct. It is something that I will have to discuss with Ashtar and the releasing of the information. Okay, any more questions?

Skip: no, not at this time. Russ?

Russ: uh-uh, I'm good.

Skip: Shane?

Shane: uh-uh.

Skip: okay. Thank you.

Omal: you're welcome. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.




(Kiri does a quick transition.)

Skip: hi sweetie.

Kiri: hey okay, let's put on our last speaker who for some reason.....whoah, is still awake. What's so funny?

Skip: what?

Russ: Treebeard.

Skip: Treebeard?




(Treebeard makes an unusual late session appearance.)


Treebeard: greetings. Hello and I see a aura signature I am unfamiliar being with.

Russ: Treebeard, this is Shane, Shane this is Treebeard.

Treebeard: it is being of a pleasure.

Russ: how goes it? How are you doing Treebeard?

Treebeard: I am functioning with ease this evening.

Russ: excellent.

Treebeard: it is something even though I am crying for body of dormancy, I will answer questions concerning subject of normal discussions that we are being of having. To explain, your language of English is being not of mine. I speak what you would be calling of Highland Sirian which is mountain area from my planet. But to continue after explaining why my skills of being to talk is different, I am thinking in my language and putting of words into yours.

Skip: you sound great.

Treebeard: thank you.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: okay, we of continuing where we being of talking last time?

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: do you have questions of concerning devas or of trees?

Russ: uh-huh. The situation on my place of residence is doing quite nicely. The deva or devas in this case are...........I'm working with them as far as sitting in the sacred spot on occasion and this morning, upon sitting on my back porch I was just sitting there kind of feeling the whole backyard and I have windchimes, big kind of like metal tubes with wood pieces that when the wind blows it knocks against them and makes really beautiful noise. And the question that I have is, listening upon those, it really kind of sets a peaceful, meditative state when you hear these wind chimes go and I'm wondering if perhaps that's also how trees and devas feel when they kind of hear the sound is registered to them as being pleasant, unpleasant, so on and so forth.

Treebeard: you are thinking of terms in human. You must be remembering what is perception for trees or of devas.

Russ: completely different I'm sure, yeah obviously.

Treebeard: where have we been of talking about in past on perception of to put it more palatable for your mind of time?

Russ: right, the perception of and the complete difference of perception between us and trees and devas.

Treebeard: so therefore only I of speculating but the sound would be either of long time or of flash of moment.

Russ: well we've been there seven years and those sounds have been there for seven years, it's still a short time, but it's probably starting to register.

Treebeard: it is being of possible but I am remembering of trees in your habitation being but young trees of no more than maybe of 60 to 70 of years so therefore we are talking of little trees.

Russ: correct, they don't have their consciousness yet.

Skip: uh-huh, not according to what he said last time.

Russ: that's right, I remember now. 300 years is just the minimum.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: that is being of correct.

Skip: uh-huh.

Treebeard: but looking at such, it is also thinking that devas being there for long haul as you would be of saying.

Russ: hmmm.

Treebeard: okay, to discuss more on awareness of devas and interaction, do you be of having question Skip?

Skip: no, uh-uh.

Treebeard: that is wise. Okay being of last as Omal would say question, anyone?

Skip: no.

Russ: nothing right now.

Treebeard: okay, I am of thanking, see you all later and farewell all of you.

Skip: thank you.




(Kiri sings us into the next speaker.)

Kiri: (comes in singing.) "Kalamazoo, (and so on...)"

Shane: you watch too many cartoons.

Kiri: come on, everybody....."Kalamazoo....(and so on..)"

(Laughter erupts.)

Kiri: okay, nobody's going to play....huh. Okay, we have as I doing the ring mistress, an opportunity.....how much time do we have on your.......

Skip: Russ will have to look.

Russ: yeah, it looks like half a tape.

Kiri: okay, we can probably work this. Okay, family moment.




(Tanaka returns to add to our body of knowledge.)

Shane: good evening.

Tanaka: greetings.

Skip: hi.

Tanaka: hi, greetings everyone. Okay, I have put my formal duties aside and how is my son-in-law?

Russ: I'm doing quite well actually.

Tanaka: thank you. I am for the moment just plain Tanaka. Okay, is there any questions that you wish to ask bearing that I've put my presidential duties aside?

Russ: how's Gonzo doing? (His bond mate.)

Tanaka: Gonzo is doing good. She is spending time with her stepdaughters at the moment. (Kiri and Karra.)

Russ: good.

Tanaka: she stayed within the residency whilst we were out here being official.

Russ: of course.

Tanaka: yes, she unfortunately does not enjoy these official moments.

Russ: no doubt. How are you enjoying your rejuvenation?

Tanaka: it is very useful. I believe last time we talked Skip, I had just come back from rejuvenation.

Russ: uh-huh, this is his first rejuvenation isn't it Tanaka?

Tanaka: that is correct.

Russ: it was like he was 300 years old and then took it down to a physical age of 18 if I remember right.

Tanaka: I beg your pardon, it is more in my mid-20's.

Russ: mid-20's, sorry.

Tanaka: it is useful to have a young body again. I believe we did discuss briefly Skip, you do not remember.

Skip: no I'm sorry, it slips me.

Tanaka: it has been some time.

Skip: what, couple of our years ago?

Tanaka: I should say more along the lines of three.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: okay yeah.......

Russ: I remember.

Skip: for some reason or another.

Russ: time does fly around this place.

Skip: it kind of slips my memory okay?

Russ: so on Sirius, are you able to access much in the way of earth communications?

Tanaka: I cannot discuss that.

Russ: oh

Skip: okay yeah, that's understandable.

Tanaka: I am Tanaka, I am not President Tanaka at the moment.

Skip: alright.

Tanaka: but my interest is more in the technological....

Russ:  ahhh, excellent.

Tanaka: my private interests.

Russ: right.

Skip: oh, then you can tell me how to build a......

Tanaka: build a what?

Skip: no I'm just teasing. Nevermind.

Russ: ask Kiri.

Skip: it's a standing joke okay?

Tanaka: ahh, it is something to do with a propulsion system, I am not that kind of technologically interested.

Skip: warp engines.

Tanaka: I am more construction materials, composites.......

Skip: I was just teasing.

Russ: well actually we have been talking to Treebeard about a way to stop the killing of the trees as much as to create a building material that has the same properties as such without having to use wood as much.

Tanaka: hmmm.

Skip: oh actually this is starting to grab a hold, they're still using wood but they're using it in a more conservative manner.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: the new coatings that they're starting to use in construction now is called chipboard rather than plywood.

Tanaka: wouldn't it be easier to use a ceramic fabric material?

Russ: we're not there yet.

Skip: our technology isn't advanced that far yet.

Tanaka: it seems to me that it would be something very easy to use a ceramic based material that would certainly would give a material that would be light, heat resistant, cold tolerant and also....

Russ: flexible.

Tanaka: of well flexible, easy to.....

Skip: fiberglass.

Russ: yeah, ceramic fiberglass.

Tanaka: no, I am familiar with the primitive material. This is more of a natural mixture. I
t is heated and compressed together to form sheets which are easy to......and I have just had my daughter turn around and go no.

Russ: uh-uh, hit some technological gray areas there.

Skip: okay I see.

Skip: okay what's happening is you're getting a little bit ahead of our technology.

Tanaka: yes, I'm not quite sure what is going on. She is looking......

Skip: she is telling you no.

Tanaka: she does not have that authority.

Skip: no but she's telling you that you're overstepping which information you're giving us.

Tanaka: I do not see how it would be of harm, it would be more useful?

Russ: well it's been explained before that we might invent something that was given to us but at that point we would be.....it would be because it came from you, interfering with our technological growth.

Skip: yeah, right.

Tanaka: but how do you know you weren't supposed to be the individuals that actually.....

Russ: ahhh, there's the question.

Skip: well that's the challenge, that's the challenge.

Russ: they avoid it by not giving out that information.

Tanaka: hmmm, I see.

Russ: right.

Skip: I'm going.....wait a minute.

(Everyone laughs.)

Russ: anyway, how's life been?

Tanaka: ummm, I am getting some strange looks from both my daughters and looking at the monitor, you gentlemen seem to be enjoying my.....

Skip: not really, not really.

Tanaka: my confusion.

Skip: no, not really it's just that we do understand that some of the technical things that you have access to we do not. We're discussing this between us and kinda......

Russ: we realized that the more we discuss it, the more you're going get in trouble, well not trouble, but.....

Skip: well we're kind of poking fun too okay?

Tanaka: I am aware of that.

Skip: okay, not maliciously, just poking fun.

Tanaka: uh-huh but for me, I'm having a difficulty that I give you the information that would be useful as a whole for your species.......

Skip: maybe too much.

Tanaka: but it would definitely not be harmful.....

Skip: no I understand that.

Tanaka: giving you that information, I am having difficulty understanding why the total restriction on giving the information......

Russ: well, look at it this way, let's say for example we create something like this.

Tanaka: uh-huh.

Russ: and then our military gets a hold of it, restricts its use to the rest of the world, uses it strictly in its creation of weapons of war and destruction.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: and never gets used in a beneficial term except for killing things or keeping things from being killed.

Tanaka: the material, it is purely a construction material and would serve no purpose whatsoever as a projectile, it would be useless.

Russ: but as protection against heat as body armor, it would be invaluable.

Tanaka: that would be the only use that I could perceive would be as a heat protection. It definitely wouldn't be useful as a protection against a energy weapon of any kind.

Russ: we don't have energy weapons, we have projectile weapons.

Tanaka: even projectile weapons, it would penetrate very easily.

Russ: oh it would?

Tanaka: so....

Russ: then in that case I don't see the problem either but.....

Skip: and the only thing I can see is creating something from the information that was given to us through you and not coming up with it from our own process of advancement and invention.

Tanaka: but would it not be more useful to give you......I have not told you how to create it.

Skip: no I understand that. No, no, I understand that but it still, you've set the thought there.

Tanaka: but it would be something that would be useful. I find it difficult that something that has no hostile capacity that would be beneficial once produced inexpensive in your fiscal capacity......

Skip: well right now it wouldn't be inexpensive, in fact it would be just exactly the opposite. It would be more expensive than building material.....

Russ: why?

Skip: than we have access to at the present time.

Russ: oh, I see what you mean.

Skip: okay?

Russ: so if you're going into more construction material like a house, you're cheaper going with trees which are already grown.

Skip: yeah, we're talking about sheets, big sheets. At least 4 x 8, 4 x 10, 5 x 10, 4 x 12's. You have to have a way of manufacturing the sheets and the mills at the present time do not have that capacity. To make plywood, you peel a log, dry the wood and then you crosshatch it with glue and put it in a steam press and trim the edges. So there's no actual form to make a 4 x 8 sheet of building material at the present time other than Styrofoam.

Tanaka: yes but once the facilities have been manufactured and they are produced, the price would go from something that would be expensive to something that would be very cheap and inexpensive and very recyclable.

Russ: true, if it was proven to be a far superior material than what we're using now, then the price would drop because other people would do the same thing.

Skip: true, true.

Tanaka: I see the problem would be if you were to keep it to yourselves and make a huge, considerable profit.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tanaka: whereas, instead of I believe the term would be franchising?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tanaka: which means that the price would be reduced even more and it would be a more usable technology.

Russ: right, hold on to the patent but release the.....

Skip: yeah, patent it and franchise it out.

Russ: franchise the patent out yeah.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: patent being our way of protecting those inventions that are created by people down here.

Tanaka: and ideally it would......you would be rewarded by fiscal gain correct?

Russ: correct.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tanaka: okay, I am being signaled to by my.....

(Everyone laughs.)

Skip: yeah, I'm sure you are, I'm sure you are. Thank you very much.

Russ: thank you Tanaka.

Tanaka: you're welcome.
 
Skip: thank you.




(A stressed Kiri comes on to finish up the night.)


Skip: what was I supposed to do? Something I was supposed to do.

Russ: well you're supposed to do is figuring out the cargo and the shipping and the colony.

Skip: oh yes, yes, yes.

Russ: you don't remember that?

Skip: yes, yes.

Russ: I've been working on it.

Shane: how you doing?

Kiri: I'm doing fine. There they go, running on about in their own little world. How's it going?

Shane: it's going pretty good.

Kiri: oh that's good.

Skip: I got a trowel, Shane? When we go down home, throw the trowel in the truck.

Shane: the what?

Skip: the trowel.

Shane: on, the little hand thing?

Russ: the hand....

Skip: okay, hi babe.

Kiri: hey, okay, we're almost towards the end of the tape.

Skip: yeah, we are.

Kiri: okay......

Russ: that was informative.

Skip: yeah, really.

(Everyone laughs.)

Kiri: what am I going to do with my dad?

Russ: nothing, he's doing fine.

Skip: hey he's doing fine.

Russ: we love him.

Skip: yeah, we really do.

Russ: bring him back.

Skip: nevermind, just leave him alone, he's doing just great.

Kiri: I turn my back to talk to my sister and to my stepmother and what does he do? He breaks every rule we've taught....

Russ: why should there be a rule about it though? As he says, it's just helping our planet.

Kiri: it's not us, we just obey the policies that are laid down for us to work with.

Russ: well now we have to sit there and we have to figure how to do this thing.

Skip: just give me time, just give me time.

Russ: Kiri, you want to help?

Kiri: no.

Skip: no? What's the matter darling?

Russ: yeah, you'd be a great source of information.

Kiri: you want me to get sent home?

Skip: no.

Russ: no, of course not dear.

Skip: no, no.

Kiri: it's all right.

Russ: he's getting sent home.

Skip: but just give me time.

Kiri: if he can do it why can't I?

Russ: because you don't want to be sent home. He does, he's the President of Sirius, they have to send him home.

(Everyone laughs.)

Skip: honey, have you ever heard the expression rank has its privileges?

Russ: yeah. Even though Ashtar can't do the same.....

Kiri: what has its privileges?

Skip: rank has its privileges. In other words, the higher you are in an organization, the better your privileges are.

Kiri: I know, I'm teasing about rank.

Skip: okay, all right darling. Anyhow, leave your pop alone, he's doing just fine.

Kiri: making my life difficult as a ring mistress. I've got to answer for....

Skip: no you do not.

Russ: yeah, just remember that Star Trek episode.

Skip: no, no, no, no. Rank has its privileges and you're the ring mistress okay?

Kiri: okay, what Star Trek?

Russ: the one "Star Trek Four", the one where they go back to earth in the 1980's......

Skip: oh yeah, yeah.

Russ: you know Scotty goes into to go trade for the walls to make the thing for the whales.

Skip: yeah right, right.

Russ: he says, "well how do we know that this guy didn't create it?"

Shane: that's right.

Russ: he gives them the.....

Skip: he gives them the dimensions of what he wants and how thick the glass has got to be.

Russ: yeah, what was it? It was a plexiglass but was a....

Skip: it was a metal plexiglass.

Russ: right, right, right.

Kiri: that's easy.

Skip: yes it is for you but it isn't for us.

Russ: yeah we don't have it and they say, well gives him the things and you know.

Skip: gives him the formula...

Russ: "you can't give him that." "How do you know he didn't create it?"

Skip: yeah, he gives him the formula for the metal plexiglass so he can put the what is it, 5 ton whale in there to take to the future?

Russ: right.

Kiri: ahhh.

Skip: and he says "how do we know he didn't invent it?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well he would, because it would be in the records.

Skip: well it was after Scotty gave him the.....

Russ: well yeah but it would be in the...

Skip: no buts.

Russ: no, it doesn't work that way.

Skip: no buts.

Russ: because in the 23rd century, they can look back....they know who created the metal plexiglass.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so if Scotty's giving it to this guy, he would know if this guy is the guy that invented the metal plexiglass.

Skip: no, it be in the history book.

Kiri: yeah, that's what I'm about to say.

Russ: right, that's what I'm saying. It would be in the history book in the 23rd century which Scotty would know.

Skip: well Scotty did know.

Russ: well no he didn't. He says, "how do we know that this guy didn't create it?"

Kiri: now if my memory serves me right, in that series.

Skip: in other words, it's a catch 21.

Kiri: there was a world war after the 20th century?

Russ: correct.

Kiri: so it's possible that the records were destroyed in this.....

Russ: now that's possible.

Skip: now there you go, now there you go. Okay, see? Now she's starting to think instead of getting all flustered.

Kiri: how do you expect me to be? My father tells you how to make a cheap, inexpensive construction material that can be easily mass-produced, used in a  way that would be easy to recycle, easy to build with, the perfect material and he gives it to you.

Russ: well he didn't tell us how to make it.

Kiri: I can't discuss it, I don't talk about it.

(Everybody laughs.)

Skip: okay baby, we'll quit.

Kiri: okay, so how goes the project?

Russ: oh, I'm doing quite well on it actually. I have my place picked out......

Skip: the one to colonate the earth?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I've shined it on for a little bit.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: no, no, no, no.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: I got involved with a lady.

Kiri: you've got six weeks left.

Skip: I know. I've gotten involved with a lady and........

Kiri: oh I understand, I understand. Actually, I'm thinking that it would help somebody tremendously with reasoning, logic, planning, strategy, somebody to help you Skip.

Skip: what did you say?

Shane: I thought she was talking about me.

Skip: hey yeah.

Russ: she is talking about you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Shane: see how it is?

Kiri: you can help Skip.

Russ: well you better explain the whole rules to him then.

Kiri: okay, this is the rule and you're going to be Skip's assistant if that suits you.

Russ: hey wait a minute, I don't get....oh I get Karra, nevermind.

Kiri: if that suitable for you young man. Okay, this is what's going on. Skip is leading a colonization force that will colonize your planet. There is nobody on your planet so there is no concern about hostilities with a war, it is a totally empty planet but, it is in its current 20th-century condition with the exhausted minerals, with the trees that are gone, with the pollution, with the current arctic conditions, the unstable weather, the hole in the ozone, all those current problems exist. The objective is to find a location that would be the best location for 10,000 individuals to land and start a colony. Also what you've got to do is plan the trip, which is a five year trip with the manifest of all the supplies that you would have on board your ship to make this colony work. You cannot dismantle the ship because the ship is as it were your lifeboat if anything goes wrong so what you have to do is bring the supplies and materials with you so that you colonize an area that has to meet the criteria of the ideal place. Now the ideal place involves ideal agriculture, ideal mineral supplies, ideal weather, ideal temperature weather wise. The right amount of rain, the right amount of sun, the right amount of cold and everything that you can think of relevant to that. Have I covered everything?

Skip: yeah I think you covered just about everything.

Shane: the weather all depends on where you live because like in the jungle, it's going be wet a lot.

Skip: no, no, no, no. You have to choose.....

Kiri: a location.

Skip: the location of where you're going to set up this 10,000 person colony. Whether it be in the jungle, in the mountains, in the South, in the North, on the North Pole, the South Pole or wherever you're going to do it.

Kiri: uh-huh, whether it's in the Americas, whether it's in Australia, Europe, Asia, Antarctica, wherever.

Skip: in the current condition of the earth today. Now, one question, minus the cities?

Kiri: minus the cities.

Skip: okay, I think I asked that before.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I just wanted make sure. Minus the cities. So another words, we got a complete wilderness.

Kiri: correct.

Skip: on the whole earth.

Kiri: uh-huh. And if it's acceptable to Shane, would you be up to helping your grandfather with this project? It would be something that would be good for learning. All sorts of things, logistics, planning, strategy, all sorts of things. You've got your whole entire planet to choose this one location.

Skip: and we gotta feed 10,000 people for five years plus bring enough equipment and supplies to form a 10,000 person colony.

Shane: okay.

Skip: you want to try it? It's a project.

Kiri: okay, got any questions except for the obvious ones about warp cores?

Skip: (laughs.) hon I got to tease you about it every once in a while.

Russ: I got one.

Skip: what's that? Go ahead Russ.

Russ: can these panels be stacked and then cut after they've been put together to make a.....

(everybody laughs.)

Skip: oh darling, we're just teasing, we're just teasing, you know we are.

Kiri: I know. I'm glad that he has.....

Skip: you know something? These sessions are getting more and more fun all the time.

Russ: yes they are.

Kiri: it's supposed to get as the level of conversation and interaction increases with the higher spiritual awareness and the projects, the mental projects that we give and the projects that Treebeard gives, they're more interactive. We've gone from the laying out the groundwork of how you know the thought processes....

THE TAPE ENDS


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