CONFERENCE CALL 07/14/99
Archivist Notes: As promised in last
month's session, December brings the conference Karra
was preparing in anticipation of the dignitaries that
were expected to attend. The first dignitary to speak
was Ashtar who asked us some questions needed to
choose a Sirian representative for the conference.
Monka came next to also ask some questions but these
were on the technical needs that had to be discussed
prior to the conference. Tanaka was the last of the
dignitaries and offered an official welcome from
Sirius to those initiating the process. Ashtar made a
surprise return to the channeling field to clarify a
final detail followed by Lyka who had been researching
political negotiations recently.
Side two saw Omal come on to explain the
three stages the conference would take and the tricky
arrangements that would be needed to host the Sirian
representatives. Treebeard helps with our
understanding of the time perception differences we
have with devas and trees but in effort to save more
of those trees on Earth, we asked President Tanaka for
his ideas next and the result is a surprising
suggestion of a material used on Sirius but not
developed on Earth. While key parts have had to be
edited out, it is a tantalizing concept and hopefully
we will make the logical choice to switch to a similar
product some day. We poke a little fun at Kiri who
wraps up the session over letting this revelation
through and she helps us with a Star Trek paradox
related to this near violation of the prime directive.
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(Karra comes on in her formal duties to introduce the first
of the honored dignitaries.)
Skip: okay, we're on the air babe.
Karra: hey greetings and salutations and welcome. Tonight,
we're going to go straight to the speakers to start off with
and as soon as they are done, we will get back to a normal
format. In the meantime, what we will do is we will put on
the first speaker in a few moments after we've done the
introductions of Russ, say hello please.
Skip: good evening young lady.
Karra: and young man, you are vaguely familiar, you are....
Karra: Shane, okay.
Russ: why don't you pull your chair up a little bit more
Shane so we can get it on the tape.
Karra: okay. As I said, we have some very special guests
here tonight so we will without further ado I will step
aside and we will put on our first guest speaker.
(Ashtar gets things started.)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations. It is an honor and a
pleasure to be here this evening in a communication that we
will now commence with. It has been brought to my attention
that contact has been established with a Zeta group which is
part of our design planned for expediting the current
conferences which will be starting in a brief period of
time. The definition of brief is a statement which is in our
perception different from your definition of brief. Whether
it is one year or a hundred years is besides the point
whilst that is a brief moment in time. The purpose of these
discussions will become more clear even though there is a
little bit of negativity and hostility being projected by
the Zeta Reticuloids and their reptilian allies. It is with
difficulty that these hurdles must be overcome to facilitate
a speedy and understandable communication which will be able
to aid in the growth of the spiritual consciousness of your
planet. We are not going to take a moral high road or a
moral low road. We are going to react in a way that will
facilitate the growth for all people for the best possible
outcome for all parties involved. The spiritual growth that
is necessary for your planet is something that all parties
involved must help. We are here to ask a number of
questions. First of all the first question is, where do you
perceive your spiritual consciousness going?
Russ: at present, I personally see our spiritual
consciousness growing toward a higher dimension to make an
Ashtar: is that as a individual your personal beliefs or as
a whole as in a racial belief?
Russ: that is my personal feelings for us as a race.
Ashtar: okay but what is the race feeling? We have three
representatives here, what is your feelings?
Skip: from what I can gather and what I've seen happen in
the last 10 to 15 years which is a moment in your time I
understand, but it appears to me that more and more and more
of our world is becoming to the point of where they're
talking about seeing the light which is spiritual growth as
far as I can see.
Ashtar: okay second question, young man, do you have
anything as you are the youngest member here that you wish
to comment on concerning your perception of spiritual
Ashtar: nothing at this time?
Shane: no, nothing.
Ashtar: okay. Okay second question is concerning what is the
perception of the various racial entities and the groups
involved in these discussions. Again, I would like an answer
from each of you please.
Russ: okay, the Zeta Reticuli have got a almost what you
might call a media blitz going whereby they are presented as
the one and only alien species that is out there working for
either the benefit or the non-benefit of humans depending on
which particular thing you see. On a racial level, other
species just aren't really represented in any kind of media
or any kind of presentation so it's really kind of one-sided
right now on a racial basis down here of how people perceive
Skip: now wait a minute, can I ask a question so I can
understand this a little bit better? Are you talking about
the racial entities on our planet or how we perceive other
races within the universe?
Ashtar: the other races within the universe.
Skip: ahhh okay. I really don't know, I really can't give
you an answer on that. It's a little bit beyond my
comprehension at the present time.
Ashtar: young man?
Shane: I don't have anything to say.
Ashtar: okay. With it in mind that there seems to be a
perception in some quarters that there is a media quote
unquote blitz going on with one particular species, then
this may present a problem in being able to get more
individuals active within the negotiation process. How would
you feel about a entity that is more humanoid in appearance?
Russ: I think it would reflect well on the talks themselves
as people would respond better to that as opposed to
something that is more unhuman-like due to the fact that
really the only other unhuman-like alien you ever really
see perceived are kind of really etheric.
Skip: yeah theoretically through our media or whatever,
they've perceived other races or other beings as completely
alien to our sight, communications, whatever. To have a
humanoid more representative or appearance in humanoid form
would probably further the talks a lot faster than having a
nonhuman form okay?
Ashtar: okay. Young man?
Ashtar: no comment at this time, okay. With that in mind,
somebody that would be more of a humanoid quote earthling
appearance would be much more suitable than somebody of a
more ethereal appearance so therefore for your ease of mind
and that of your species, it would be easier to have an
individual that sounded and looked more as you do, is that
Skip: yes, I believe you're correct there yeah.
Ashtar: okay, thank you. I have nothing to add at this time.
returns to hand off to the next dignitary.)
yeah, that would make it a lot quicker, people would be more
comfortable with that kind of appearance.
Shane: somebody's here.
Karra: you're very, very intuitive aren't you?
Shane: what does that mean?
Karra: that means you are very instinctual or observant.
Intuitive being intuition.
Shane: I just like to see the little....then I know that
Karra: okay, all fun aside, okay we will continue with our
next speaker and we will go through the next speaker as
expediently as possible and then we will have our final
speaker shortly thereafter. I probably won't interrupt in
Skip: all right darling.
(Monka comes on to
ask questions on the technical aspects of the
Monka: greetings and felicitations and again, welcome on
behalf of my esteemed colleague that spoke prior and Madame
ambassador. It is my duty as a communicator and a historian
to be able to talk to you tonight on the technological
advances that I have been commenting on in previous
discussions that we have had with your small group. You'll
have to excuse my energy flow, it seems to be interrupting
the host body's natural energy flow. Where we will go with
this brief comments and then I too will ask some questions
is concerning the technological interaction with the medium
that you wish to use. It seems to me having observed and
analyzed various data that now it is getting close to the
desired point that we wish where once the discussions start
to take place, it can be done in a much more easier format
then either dictating or by using your digitals to type in
messages on a keyboard instrument. It is now getting to the
point where due to your currency flow that the cost of
little apparatuses for viewing are becoming from a
prohibited price to a inexpensive price and so therefore you
will be able to use these mediums to be able to have
recorded announcements through the host's vocal capacities
and to be able to interact at certain times, at prearranged
times so that all parties can from time to time meet as it
were face-to-face even though it will be through the medium
of your current entertainment system of the Internet.
The purpose would be more useful and more user-friendly so
therefore it would be putting a human face on the
discussions. However the problem I perceive is that some of
the entities may not wish to do so and those that do may be
working through mediums that would be into using fiscal
currencies so unfortunately that would slow down the
process. But, with the technology that I see very soon to be
more used and the non-prohibitive price of the equipment
relating to this will definitely speed up the process and
give access to those individuals that have the desire to be
able to communicate in this medium. Now the first question
that I will be asking is, how do you feel about the
interaction and the current growth in the technology that
you are using with the ability to view over great distances
using your entertainment medium and news services over your
digital cabling system?
Russ: well the digital cabling is allowing faster internet
access in various parts that it's at. Unfortunately there
are still many parts that don't have such technology as yet
and still rely on dial-out modems which would slow
down the connection speed as far as making this workable. As
far as the other goes, is the capabilities now with the
cameras is it still camera ready as far as conference call
but a lot of it is still having to type in the answers and
the questions on a keyboard to have them pop up next to the
image that's being displayed.
Monka: hmmm....I am under the impression that this is about
Russ: hmm, I haven't heard much on that yet though the
technology is there, it's just like I said, that's still not
quite as inexpensive yet....oh wait...
Russ: videophone of course.
Skip: yes it is, it is. It's feasible right now.
Russ: right, you know more about that than I do actually
Skip: yes I do. Videophone.....excuse me, I didn't mean to
Monka: no, that was desired.
Skip: videophone is a video camera on top of our screens
which we view and talking over a phone through the net, you
can see the person you're talking to and they can see you.
And it is over telephone lines like Russ said, there's a lot
of areas that don't have the cable yet but the cable
companies are very, very hot on this because it is a lot
faster than the telephone lines.
Skip: these are both our means of communications but the
equipment has come down in price to a point where most
people can afford it.
Monka: okay now concerning the cable, am I correct in
assuming that that is a metal cable encased in a plastic and
Skip: it's fiber-optics and it's a lot quicker than the
telephone which is plastic and metal okay?
Monka: okay. And also is it correct.......am I correct in
assuming that satellite capability would be even faster?
Skip: yeah but I don't know if that is in complete operation
yet or not.
Russ: almost. Microsoft has got another year left before it
Skip: yeah ALO has been doing that aren't they?
Russ: right, there is enough satellites.
Monka: as Ashtar said, that time to us is a different
perception then of your time.
Skip: yeah. Well it's in the near future let's put it that
Russ: blink of an eye for your time perception right.
Skip: yeah it will be....it will be in operation by the time
these discussions start I believe.
Monka: good, so it would be easy to say that once the
discussions start, we would be able to go from one set of
communication systems to a much more sophisticated and less
cost prohibitive than the original investment made by
individuals in more primitive communication systems?
Russ: correct, definitely.
Skip: correct, yeah, yeah.
Monka: okay and to this end it would be easier once this
system installs to work as a group being the earth human
group as opposed to other groups to work together to improve
each others communication systems and mediums?
Skip: yeah we're doing that constantly trying to upgrade our
own communications within our sphere of communication now.
Everybody's trying to do this is upgrade so that we can get
Skip: that's the only way I can put it is better.
Monka: okay so following a vein similar to Ashtar's, it
would be easier to have a representative from the world of
Sirius that was fluent in your English communication, would
that be beneficial?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Skip: yes indeed, yes indeed.
Monka: so to select an individual, they would be necessary
to be very communicative and learning ability would have to
be high so that they could learn your interesting local
Skip: yeah our colloquialisms and idiosyncrasies and stuff
like that, yeah you're correct.
Monka: so it would be useful for an individual that may have
possibly had time, served on your planet?
Russ: uh-huh. Though also...
Monka: or why that would not be suitable.
Russ: well, though also there is a certain amount of decorum
that would be necessary for this.
Skip: well not only that, but you're going to run into a
little bit of a challenge here of different parts of even
our nation have different.......we call them brogues,
Monka: I am familiar.
Skip: they're not that far from the English, American
language. I can't say English because that's a different,
that's a different way of speaking than Americans do okay?
Monka: I am aware that English has many different varieties
within it under one auspice of a name even though it would
be correct to say that there is American, there is Canadian,
there is New Zealand, there is South African, Australian and
of course, English.
Skip: yeah you understand then, I was just trying to put
that in there because that's going to have to be learned by
whoever talks to us to the different areas of the country,
they're going to have to know these things.
Monka: so an individual that has a more generic American
accent would be more suitable than an individual that has no
Russ: well your accent for example using Mark's body right
now and the way it's coming out.....
Monka: I am aware that it does have a English, English hint
Russ: right, but still it's perfect for what you're looking
for I think.
Skip: yeah I think so too. I think Russ is correct in his
Monka: hmmm, I would be unable to participate.
Russ: right but whoever you did would have to......if they
had your same English capabilities and way of speaking will
be perfectly workable.
Monka: Hostine would also be unavailable due to the fact
that he has more of what you would call a southern surf
Russ: ahhh, Monk. (A speaker we had spoken to from Sirius
Skip: oh Monk. Yeah but that's okay, several of the people
that we have spoken to from Sirius or Ashtar Command have
got command of the language that's very acceptable.
Monka: we feel that it would be best to have an individual
that has had little or no contact with your planet so
therefore it would be an unbiased and unopinionated point of
view that would be able to be used. The feeling that we are
getting is that if we had a individual that had experience
with your planet, they would be tainted by the perceptions
of the planet.
Russ: quite true.
Monka: so therefore an individual that is totally unknowing
of the setup would be an ideal candidate. Am I correct in
Skip: yeah there you go.
Skip: you're completely right there.
Monka: okay final question is concerning the necessary
security to start off with these discussions and the
security of the communication systems. Am I correct in
assuming that using a system that would be difficult to
interfere with would be feasible?
Russ: well it's not so much the system as the
software involved but yes it is feasible. You could set it
up so that it's password-protected.
Monka: what about the term encrypting?
Russ: as long as everyone has all the right encryption gear
on all ends it could be done yeah.
Monka: that is something that can be worked upon?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Shane: I have an idea, you know how they've got all those
eye retina scanners?
Russ: well that's a little......that's going to a financial
Skip: that's way ahead of us.
Skip: yes it is, it's way ahead of us with our computers.
Shane: oh, with the computers yeah.
Russ: it's getting there, we're close.
Skip: we're close but no cigar yet okay?
Russ: anyway yeah, the encryption would work as far as
keeping anybody from coming into it. It could still be
hacked, but it would be a lot tougher.
Monka: okay, what about an encryption system with the
terminology fire breaks?
Russ: oh firewalls yeah? Yes, basically you'd have to run it
with your servers that are going through, each of the various
speakers would have to go through a firewall that's right,
that would keep the encryption secure, so a secure server
Skip: yeah, yeah, firewall would do that.
Monka: okay thank you.
Skip: you're sharper on that than I am.
Monka: okay thank you very much..
Russ: my pleasure, enjoy. Yeah a firewall would work well.
Skip: yeah you're sharper on that than I am. I don't know
that much about firewalls. See, you're way ahead of me Russ
when it comes...
Skip: you are, you're way ahead of me.
Tanaka changes places with Monka.)
Tanaka: greetings. I am honored to be the last speaker. It
is my honor and privilege to be the the elected
representative of Sirius that has been elected to attend
tonight in my duties as president. I formally thank all of
you for participating in these discussions. I also thank you
for being present this evening and asking and answering
questions that are very useful in helping us to formulate a
answer and a discussion that will aid us with our various
council members to select an individual that would be ideal
for the position that we are offering. The individual is not
an ambassador. The individual is a representative to the
discussions from Sirius but not an ambassadorial position as
to have two ambassadors on Hades Base from Sirius would be a
serious conflict and an insult to the current ambassador and
make the position of the current ambassador very tenuous and
difficult. This individual will report directly to the
ambassador who in turn will report directly to myself and my
successor or the successor that will follow the current
ambassador once the position is vacant if that is so desired
by the current ambassador. It is my duty as president to
welcome all individuals that are going to be participating
and you are participating in the basic start up process so
of Sirius, I thank you deeply. It is an honor and a pleasure
to be able to communicate with a wide cross-section of age
within your planet from the youngest to one of the most
senior being present. It is also my duty to make myself
available through the ambassador for any questions that any
of you have to ask or any suggestions that you feel may be
useful for the discussion. Again it is my honor and a
privilege to be here and thank you very much.
Russ: thank you.
Skip: thank you.
(Karra returns to hand over the ring mistress
duties back to Kiri.)
Russ: that is Kiri and Karra's father.
Skip: oh okay.
Russ: President Tanaka or dad.
Skip: super, super. My pleasure.
Russ: dad, as we call him.
Karra: please, at the moment that would not be
Russ: no it would not.
Skip: no I understand that but it is an honor.
Russ: I do have a question though is I'm not exactly
clear on what are the duties of this person from Sirius that
they're going to be doing with the conference.
Karra: I don't think they're too clear at this time either.
It is nice to have it confirmed that it will not be a......
Karra: thank you, an ambassadorial position and as this is a
formal moment Russ, thank you, it is a very difficult
position to have an individual in my jurisdiction as a
possible assistant, ambassador or an undersecretary for
whatever purpose is going to definitely be a position that
is going to be difficult and demanding for the individual.
As I am the ambassador, I will answer any questions that are
open and have been brought forth at this time. Are there any
Skip: I have one just for my own curiosity. Is Sirius going
to choose a representative from the earth to go into this
conference, talks, discussions, however you want to put it?
Karra: more than likely, that will be the case. There will
be a representative from earth that will be brought in.
Again, somebody that is having the best interests of your
species at heart. Not an individual that has worked with any
group whatsoever in the past
Skip: uh-huh okay. Thank you, I appreciate that.
Karra: no problem. Any more questions?
Skip: no thank you.
Russ: basically I have one is on the just what we know
of the communication abilities for this conference, I assume
that there's going to be various forms of communication used
and not just restricting it to just one.
Karra: that is correct.
Skip: oh okay, all right.
Karra: okay, thank you very much, on behalf of the
Council of Sirius and the Council of 12, it has been an
honor and a pleasure.
Skip: thank you very much.
Russ: thank you.
her normal ring mistress duties.)
Russ: so it would be more like chat
rooms and a videoconference phone and regular email
transferring back and forth.
Skip: hey baby.
Kiri: hey, hey, hey.
Skip: you all right?
Kiri: I'm cool, I'm hip.
Skip: you been listening in to what's been going on?
Kiri: oh very much so.
Skip: oh I figured you was, I figured you was.
Kiri: yeah we're sitting here watching very intently all
the comings and goings. Everybody has been stiff and
formal, myself included.
Skip: yeah I noticed. Now you can relax.
Kiri: uh-huh, I can relax. Big sis is walking everybody to
the door doing the formal ambassadorial positions, Madam
ambassador. Okay, you got any questions?
Russ: how many are we limited to?
Kiri: well there's going to be Omal will be present in a
few I think. I'm not in on what is going on fortunately. I
wouldn't want the headaches that my sister has been going
Russ: stomachaches would be a better word for it.
Kiri: yes she's been discussing that with Mark as well
Russ: she's been going through a stomachaches all day on
Skip: oh boy.
Skip: uh yeah question darling.
Skip: these talks.
Skip: can't be limited to one individual to represent each
planet, that won't work.
Kiri: well why not?
Skip: well, looking at our own planet.
Skip: there isn't in my estimation any one person that has
that much ability or trust or faith in this planet to
Kiri: so what you're saying is that an individual from
your planet would be able to be corrupted and put in their
own personal views as opposed to what would be beneficial
for the all?
Skip: yes, yes, I really believe that because I have never
in my lifetime which is a short period of time in your
Kiri: hey, you're older than I am almost. Nope, I'm older.
Skip: seen or heard of any one person that can handle that
kind of responsibility, faith and loyalty okay?
Kiri: okay so if I am correct, it would be better to have
a group of individuals representing your species?
Skip: I believe so and the reason why I'm going along with
the group theory is because each one of them will keep the
rest of them honest.
Kiri: ahh, I see an idea.
Skip: do you understand where I'm coming from?
Russ: actually I have a different viewpoint on that.
Skip: okay, go ahead.
Russ: well due to the fact that the representatives from
each race, and since we are hosting, are actually going to
be channels from this planet. In other words, we're
gathering people together to channel from each different
race so all at the same time can work through the channels
in these conversations in these conferences. So therefore
you are actually getting a number of humans together in
the purposes of conducting these conferences. It's just
that when they're channeling, it will be the entities
representing each of those races that will be there but
each race is actually represented by a human.
(Ashtar makes a surprise return.)
Ashtar: am I correct in assuming that it would be more
suitable to have a group of independent individuals possibly
one person from your planet to one person from each other
planet or species? For example, one earth person for one
person representing the Zeta's. Another earth person from
earth to negotiate with the Sirians. And one individual
for the individual that would be channeling from the
Pelladian's. So it would be one earth person per other
Russ: right.....well no not per channel but each
earth person could be gone while they were channeling.
Ashtar: no, what I'm saying is that an earth person if there
are eight races involved then there are eight earth
representatives. Would that be more beneficial?
Russ: it would seem to be, that would give a better
Ashtar: so as in your legal system you have a jury, then a
jury of individuals to the equivalent number of species
involved in the discussions would be better?
Skip: hmmm, that would be one I'd have to start thinking
about really hard. The only drawback that I've got and
that comes to the back of my mind and I'm going to voice it
is, any of these people that are speaking through the
channels can more or less impose or intercede their own
thoughts which can be corrupt through the channel.
Ashtar: that is correct, that is why I am thinking that it
would be better to have an equal number of earth
representatives that would be able to spot and maybe force
the situation to change.
Skip: yeah because I think a group of individuals even
though they're dedicated, would keep each other honest. Does
that make sense?
Ashtar: that makes logical sense.
Skip: because you take one person, if he thinks about being
corrupt, he can do it and he doesn't have to answer to
anybody. If there's several of them, then he don't think
about being corrupt because there is other people present
while things are going on.
Ashtar: you bring up a very interesting point that we will
look at and it is a point that is definitely necessary to be
Skip: I'm sorry, I just had to voice this because it's too
easy for one person to become corrupt.
Ashtar: it is very good that you bring it up. It is
something that we have overlooked in our trying to create an
equal footing but it is something that is very correct for
you to bring to the forefront at this time. It is something
that it is better to have it brought to the forefront at
this time then once the discussions have started. Because it
would be difficult....
Skip: to change.
Skip: to change yeah.
Ashtar: we would be back to square one if we had to change
representatives from your planet whereas if you have five or
eight individuals, one can definitely fall by the wayside or
even two and you can still continue whilst replacements are
looked for and are given the information to fill-in. Whereas
if one individual was the only representative and that
individual for whatever reason became unable to participate,
then there would be no representative from your planet so
therefore it would be very useful. What a further idea might
be is for each representative that there is a replacement
representative that is informed of what is going on but not
of the points of view of the individuals that are involved.
So therefore they would be kept informed at all times of
what is going on.
Skip: so if anything happened they could step into their
Ashtar: that is correct.
Skip: yeah, yeah, that would be great.
Ashtar: okay, do you have any more concerns that are, should
be brought up at this time?
Russ: no, can't say......
Skip: I don't think so. That was the one that was really
Ashtar: okay as President Tanaka said, if you have any
concerns, any ideas, if you could forward that information
to himself through the ambassador, that would be very useful
and obviously it would be brought to our attention
immediately these concerns are given.
Ashtar: if you know of anybody else that has concerns or
brings up concerns, again forward it on to President Tanaka and
then it will be forwarded on to us to be looked upon.
Skip: okay thank you.
Ashtar: thank you.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri takes over
her responsibilities once more.)
Skip: yeah, that's the only concern I had was being....
Russ: that's a good one after I had been talking like I say,
well Mark has been to the representatives of the Zeta and
the Reptoids and there has been some....
Kiri: I'm back.
Russ: kind of negativity coming from those quarters towards
Russ: so it's better to have something as far as backup
Skip: well you stop and figure out, one individual
representing the earth. He's faithful, he's honest, he's
correct.......oh I'm sorry.....
Kiri: he? What's wrong with she?
Skip: no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just using that as a....
Russ: generic term.
Skip: now be nice. But still, understand this person
realizes that "hey, I can rule the whole world by doing
this. I can influence the whole world by being in these
Russ: that's true.
my advantage and who do I have to answer to? Nobody
if I'm the only representative.
Kiri: uh-huh. And I'm glad you brought up those points and
I'm glad that Ashtar was listening.
Russ: yeah I thought she, Karra was walking them to the
door. I turned around going, "oh wait a minute."
Russ: I hear something.
Skip: I'm sorry, I just.....it was bothering me so I figured
I better bring it up.
Russ: as Kiri's going "excuse me."
Kiri: it wasn't quite like that. It was, I'm talking and all
of a sudden there's Ashtar standing right in front of me and
it's sort of like, "I think I better hand over here."
Skip: well, thank you anyhow.
Kiri: no problem, no problem okay.......as I'm back to my
ring mistress duties, I'm going to go and change and we will
put on.....we'll put on somebody that's loitering.
Russ: loitering, just hanging around.
Shane: loitering, there you go.
Russ: waiting to talk.
(Lyka takes a break from her honor guard
Russ: you get arrested for loitering around here.
Russ: hi Lyka.
Skip: oh hi sweetheart, how are you doing?
Russ: busy night dear.
Skip: real busy.
Lyka: and okay as I'm not actually loitering, I was actually
being very formal and official as the commanding officer
Skip: oh yeah.
Russ: oh yeah, the honor guard.
Skip: you would be, right the honor guard.
Lyka: even though.....
Russ: isn't that armor kind of uncomfortable on you right
Lyka: not as commanding officer, I don't have to wear it, I
wear a dress uniform that has been altered.
Skip: oh okay, all right okay. That will fit your.....
Lyka: my belly?
Lyka: in my current condition. (She is pregnant.)
Lyka: okay, well?
Russ: well? Whatcha got to say?
Lyka: I got to say that very informative, very interesting.
Lyka: I've been reading about some of your political
Russ: ahhh, which ones?
Lyka: ones that lead up to hostilities or ones designed to
Russ: oh, like the Wry River excursion?
Lyka: uh-huh, and.....
Russ: the Kosovo conflict talks.
Lyka: uh-huh. The discussions and signing
of the Magna Carta at Runnymede on the River Thames I
think it was. The discussions leading up to the release of
Hong Kong or the secession, not the secession, the giving of
Hong Kong to a foreign crown and then the discussions
leading up to the return of the possessions from a crown.
The discussions concerning another little province called
Macau that are going on.
Russ: 12th of December.
Lyka: also various other discussions over long periods of
Russ: does this mean you passed your ballistics test then?
Lyka: I'm still working on ballistics.
Skip: I got a question.
Skip: what is the matter with educated people that are
discussing other people's faith in these talks per se. Why
can't they just be honest with each other and settle the
cotton picking thing.
Lyka: oh okay, I was little confused for a second there. I
don't know, I'm looking at it with as much dumbfoundment as
you are. I cannot understand that the maneuvering of
individuals for example, the Kosovo situation. The
maneuvering and the discussions and the political
ramifications of "what's best for me, what's my angle, how
can I get what I want, how can I get what suits my group
better than anybody else's group?" To me, it's totally
dumbfounding. I was reading a thing, a dissertation or a
copy of scripts from probably about 1300 to the early 1400's
which ended up with two colonial powers dividing the then
known and unknown planet into spheres of influences and
possession. I'm talking about the Portugal, Spain.....
Lyka: do you know how long they went on?
Skip: I have no idea but it's so stupid.
Skip: the people...
Russ: well not really, you talk about the about the money
that was involved.
Skip: money isn't the important thing as far as I can see.
It's the people that's the important thing.
Lyka: uh-huh. Skip is quite correct and the thing that I see
having read a whole wide variety of situations where
negotiations and discussions are held is that it's all done
for personal gain, personal glory. It's not for the common
good, what is best for all parties involved and those few
individuals that have to me seems to have been stepped upon,
trod upon or looked upon as negative or bad instead of what
is good for their little group or themselves.
Russ: well there I sort of disagree a little bit.
Russ: due to the fact that from my experience and my studies
in it has shown that whenever somebody takes control of a
country let's say or becomes in a position of power, along
with that comes a positions of responsibility also to that
country that they are in charge of and it's just like for
myself owning a house, if I buy my house, now all of a
sudden I have my property taxes, I've got my water bill, my
electric bill, garbage, bill things like that that just keep
coming on, they're not going to stop and I have to keep
paying them and the money has to come from somewhere and so
maybe with these countries is similar to owning a house.
It's not so much for personal gain as to keep the bills paid
and in the whole that does help out the whole.
Lyka: yes but the way that I see it, let us take the most
recent ones I've been reading upon is that it's more along
the lines to use your analogy, preferring one bedroom over
the rest of the house and having just that one bedroom as
the area that is maintained and cleaned and looked after to
the utmost ability and all the rest just being left, never
being cleaned, never being looked after, never being worked
Skip: a prime example is the Philippines.
Skip: the president of the Philippines had millions stashed
away while his people starved.
Skip: okay? That's a prime example of taking care of your
Skip: okay darlin', I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get you
involved in something like that. Later.
returns to finish up side one.)
Skip: that sounds like my truck.
Russ: can't be your truck.
Shane: uh-uh, yours is louder.
Kiri: she had to go.
Kiri: and when I say she had to go, she had to go.
Skip: mother nature calling.
Kiri: uh-huh, it would spoil her uniform and
she can go and change now too. Okay.
Skip: now we're getting involved in some pretty heavy
Kiri: uh-huh, I was about to say, you should have carried on
there because I think some of the.....
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Kiri gets side two started before passing on to the next
Skip: okay, alright.
Kiri: but what I'm suggesting is
have just a pure section that is in between tapes.
Discussions that follow on between each speaker because I've
noticed that you guys do in between speakers, have
discussions that go on.
Skip: yeah, we shouldn't do that.
Kiri: no, no, no I think it's great, I think it's great
because to put that in at the end of each speaker, well that
should be the best way to go.
Skip: yeah, that might be.
Skip: that might be. Course that has to be up to Russ, he's
the gentlemen that handles all that.
Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.
Russ: I'm the one with a sore fingers.
Skip: along with the sore fingers.
Kiri: I will talk to Madam ambassador.
Russ: okay, she needs a good laugh.
I'll be back.
Kiri: I'm the ring mistress.
Kiri: of this thinning crowd.
(Omal takes his turn in the channeling field.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings, greetings, greetings.
Skip: greetings Omal, how are you this evening sir?
Omal: I am functioning well. Okay....
Skip: nice to see you again.
Omal: yes, it is nice to be present and having got the
formal things out of the way, we seem to be having a throat problem
here. Would it be possible to get some kind of beverage
Russ: oh, on the way, on the way.
Omal: and if you can find some kind of cough suppressant? I
think they have strained his voice.
Skip: yeah that could be, they were pushing pretty hard
there. But it's okay, it's all come out as good information.
Russ: I can get chocolate milk or I can do water.
Omal: water would be sufficient.
Russ: when was last time you had a good chocolate milk Omal?
Omal: almost as.....when was the last time I had some good
Skip: yeah. Okay.....
Russ: okay, where is the cough suppressants?
Omal: Kiri is suggesting that you look in the drawers.
Skip: what have you brought for us tonight?
Omal: there is not much that I can discuss due to the fact
of the nature of the discussions that you gentlemen have
just been through.
Omal: thank you. There are a few observations that I think
are interesting that you may not have picked up on was an
example that Monka showed very well that he was probing
Russ: he didn't let on.
Omal: he let on briefly.
Omal: and I believe Skip actually caught on to what was
Omal: but it was done in a way that aided in the discussion,
pushing it in a correct direction.
Russ: oh I see what he was doing.
Russ: he was probing and directing.
Russ: good guy.
Skip: done a pretty good job too.
Omal: uh-huh, but it was very informative. We can all relax,
the only person of the visiting dignitaries that is still
present is Tanaka and he is sitting talking with his
daughters in a more relaxed family moment would be a better
way to describe it.
Omal: but concerning what is going on, I must confess that I
was pleasantly surprised on how easy-going the whole entire
discussion was and also how informative the answers were.
That is a complement to you guys for giving answers that
were to the point and informative.
Russ: anyway, I do a technical question about this whole
entire conference thing.
Russ: with the extra people working.....
Russ: doesn't that make the problem of arranging this just a
little bit longer and a little more complicated?
Russ: I was starting to wonder about the technicalities of
Omal: that is something that will be dealt with as we
continue. At the moment the main concern of our visiting
dignitaries was to find an individual that would be suitable
from Sirius to represent Sirius to the discussions. Somebody
that would have the best interests with the most fair and
even attitude available. Somebody that would be able to work
well within the environment. To be able to, what would be a
better word? To be the ideal candidate to represent the
interests of Sirius but also be fair, to be able to
negotiate well by knowing your mentalities.
Russ: so we might have him for a channeling speaker quite a
Omal: but there again, I also get the impression that that
would not be the case as that would be influencing the
Skip: yeah, that's what they brought up before, they
don't want anybody that's had contact with us to be
influenced by our mental capacities and our prejudices and
so on and so forth.
Omal: that does bring up an interesting dilemma on our part
that we will probably have to create a non-earth area on the
base for this individual.
Omal: so it would be difficult to keep this individual
Skip: that's going to be a tough one for you guys.
Omal: oh it is something that we have worked with before.
Sequestering individuals.....this is one that will be
definitely for longer-term that just a few days to a few
Skip: bringing up the subject that Russ brought up too, is
that individual going to have a backup just in case anything
ever happens to him or her per se?
Omal: more than likely yes.
Skip: uh-huh, but that would be a wise move too.
Omal: ideally it would be useful to have backups for each
individual but again I am not involved in that part.
Skip: yeah I understand that. But that would be a very, very
intelligent move, it really would be.
Omal: I believe it is something that we, or let me rephrase
that, the Sirians are already looking at.
Skip: got it, got it.
Omal: in the upcoming discussions, you must remember that
this is the early stages prior to the discussions which will
lead up to the conference.
Skip: trying to put everything together to try to satisfy
everybody and make sure that nothing happens, I understand
where you're coming from.
Omal: correct, the way it works to elaborate is that there
are three clear stages. There is a stage where we get all
the representatives together. There is the stage where they
discuss how the conference will go, what the objectives and
the goals of the conference are. And finally the actual
conference itself with a start, a middle and hopefully an
Skip: and then some kind of an agreement....
Skip: that would satisfy everybody in the end.
Omal: from the impressions that I get, is that the Sirians
wish to be able to make earth a no abduction zone where all
species watch and cooperate, trade information, learn from
each other, learn about the species that we're trying to aid
in its spiritual growth, interact with that species in a way
that will only be an exchange of information or giving of
information without any contact which would be detrimental,
perceived detrimental reaction from other individuals.
Skip: no transfer of prejudices and so on and so forth.
Omal: that is correct.
Russ: does that go on the webpage?
Omal: probably, probably as that would be something I will
have to run through...
Russ: I think you're tipping your hand sort of.
Omal: I don't think we are, this is what we wish and so
therefore it is something that can be negotiated. It is
something I will have to clear with other individuals.
Russ: of course.
Skip: okay, I understand where you're coming from.
Skip: okay. That's going to be a tough one, that's going to
be a tough one.
Omal: I am in a very awkward position.
Skip: yes it is, it's awkward for you and it's awkward for
anybody that's coming in contact with us.
Skip: and it's going to be a very, very, very difficult
decision to make, to pick the people and talk to the people
and get it set up.......wow.
Omal: well fortunately, we will just be hopefully hosting
two individuals from Sirius that will be kept apart from the
other non-Hades residents which is unfortunate.
Skip: your end is........from your point of view is going to
be just I think is fine. What I'm looking at is the
representatives from earth is going to be a bugger.
Omal: oh I think it will be a difficult challenge but one
that will bear fruition later on as a whole.
Skip: it's going to be a real difficult decision to make.
Omal: oh most certainly, most certainly and fortunately it
is not one I have to make.
glad I'm not making it.
Russ: well upon that same note though, where do we go from
this point? We have contact, we have preparations to make,
do we continue on as if what Skip and Ashtar were talking
about? You know, it will be in the future but what we were
talking about before is now in the go?
Omal: as far as I know, that is correct. It is something
that I will have to discuss with Ashtar and the releasing of
the information. Okay, any more questions?
Skip: no, not at this time. Russ?
Russ: uh-uh, I'm good.
Skip: okay. Thank you.
Omal: you're welcome. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
(Kiri does a
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hey okay, let's put on our last speaker who for some
reason.....whoah, is still awake. What's so funny?
makes an unusual late session appearance.)
Treebeard: greetings. Hello and I see a aura signature I
am unfamiliar being with.
Russ: Treebeard, this is Shane, Shane this is Treebeard.
Treebeard: it is being of a pleasure.
Russ: how goes it? How are you doing Treebeard?
Treebeard: I am functioning with ease this evening.
Treebeard: it is something even though I am crying for
body of dormancy, I will answer questions concerning
subject of normal discussions that we are being of having.
To explain, your language of English is being not of mine.
I speak what you would be calling of Highland Sirian which
is mountain area from my planet. But to continue after
explaining why my skills of being to talk is different, I
am thinking in my language and putting of words into
Skip: you sound great.
Treebeard: thank you.
Treebeard: okay, we of continuing where we being of
talking last time?
Treebeard: do you have questions of concerning devas or of
Russ: uh-huh. The situation on my place of residence is
doing quite nicely. The deva or devas in this case
are...........I'm working with them as far as sitting in
the sacred spot on occasion and this morning, upon sitting
on my back porch I was just sitting there kind of feeling
the whole backyard and I have windchimes, big kind of like
metal tubes with wood pieces that when the wind blows it
knocks against them and makes really beautiful noise. And
the question that I have is, listening upon those, it
really kind of sets a peaceful, meditative state when you
hear these wind chimes go and I'm wondering if perhaps
that's also how trees and devas feel when they kind of
hear the sound is registered to them as being pleasant,
unpleasant, so on and so forth.
Treebeard: you are thinking of terms in human. You must be
remembering what is perception for trees or of devas.
Russ: completely different I'm sure, yeah obviously.
Treebeard: where have we been of talking about in past on
perception of to put it more palatable for your mind of
Russ: right, the perception of and the complete difference
of perception between us and trees and devas.
Treebeard: so therefore only I of speculating but the
sound would be either of long time or of flash of moment.
Russ: well we've been there seven years and those sounds
have been there for seven years, it's still a short time,
but it's probably starting to register.
Treebeard: it is being of possible but I am remembering of
trees in your habitation being but young trees of no more
than maybe of 60 to 70 of years so therefore we are
talking of little trees.
Russ: correct, they don't have their consciousness yet.
Skip: uh-huh, not according to what he said last time.
Russ: that's right, I remember now. 300 years is just the
Treebeard: that is being of correct.
Treebeard: but looking at such, it is also thinking that
devas being there for long haul as you would be of saying.
Treebeard: okay, to discuss more on awareness of devas and
interaction, do you be of having question Skip?
Skip: no, uh-uh.
Treebeard: that is wise. Okay being of last as Omal would
say question, anyone?
Russ: nothing right now.
Treebeard: okay, I am of thanking, see you all later and
farewell all of you.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri sings us into the next speaker.)
Kiri: (comes in singing.) "Kalamazoo, (and so on...)"
Shane: you watch too many cartoons.
Kiri: come on, everybody....."Kalamazoo....(and so on..)"
Kiri: okay, nobody's going to play....huh. Okay, we have
as I doing the ring mistress, an opportunity.....how much
time do we have on your.......
Skip: Russ will have to look.
Russ: yeah, it looks like half a tape.
Kiri: okay, we can probably work this. Okay, family
(Tanaka returns to add to our body of
Shane: good evening.
Tanaka: hi, greetings everyone. Okay, I have put my formal
duties aside and how is my son-in-law?
Russ: I'm doing quite well actually.
Tanaka: thank you. I am for the moment just plain Tanaka.
Okay, is there any questions that you wish to ask bearing
that I've put my presidential duties aside?
Russ: how's Gonzo doing? (His bond mate.)
Tanaka: Gonzo is doing good. She is spending time with her
stepdaughters at the moment. (Kiri and Karra.)
Tanaka: she stayed within the residency whilst we were out
here being official.
Russ: of course.
Tanaka: yes, she unfortunately does not enjoy these official
Russ: no doubt. How are you enjoying your rejuvenation?
Tanaka: it is very useful. I believe last time we talked
Skip, I had just come back from rejuvenation.
Russ: uh-huh, this is his first rejuvenation isn't it
Tanaka: that is correct.
Russ: it was like he was 300 years old and then took it down
to a physical age of 18 if I remember right.
Tanaka: I beg your pardon, it is more in my mid-20's.
Russ: mid-20's, sorry.
Tanaka: it is useful to have a young body again. I believe
we did discuss briefly Skip, you do not remember.
Skip: no I'm sorry, it slips me.
Tanaka: it has been some time.
Skip: what, couple of our years ago?
Tanaka: I should say more along the lines of three.
Skip: okay yeah.......
Russ: I remember.
Skip: for some reason or another.
Russ: time does fly around this place.
Skip: it kind of slips my memory okay?
Russ: so on Sirius, are you able to access much in the way
of earth communications?
Tanaka: I cannot discuss that.
Skip: okay yeah, that's understandable.
Tanaka: I am Tanaka, I am not President Tanaka at the
Tanaka: but my interest is more in the technological....
Russ: ahhh, excellent.
Tanaka: my private interests.
Skip: oh, then you can tell me how to build a......
Tanaka: build a what?
Skip: no I'm just teasing. Nevermind.
Russ: ask Kiri.
Skip: it's a standing joke okay?
Tanaka: ahh, it is something to do with a propulsion system,
I am not that kind of technologically interested.
Skip: warp engines.
Tanaka: I am more construction materials, composites.......
Skip: I was just teasing.
Russ: well actually we have been talking to Treebeard about
a way to stop the killing of the trees as much as to create
a building material that has the same properties as such
without having to use wood as much.
Skip: oh actually this is starting to grab a hold, they're
still using wood but they're using it in a more conservative
Skip: the new coatings that they're starting to use in
construction now is called chipboard rather than plywood.
Tanaka: wouldn't it be easier to use a ceramic fabric
Russ: we're not there yet.
Skip: our technology isn't advanced that far yet.
Tanaka: it seems to me that it would be something very easy
to use a ceramic based material that would certainly would
give a material that would be light, heat resistant, cold
tolerant and also....
Tanaka: of well flexible, easy to.....
Russ: yeah, ceramic fiberglass.
Tanaka: no, I am familiar with the primitive material. This
is more of a natural mixture. It
is heated and compressed together to form sheets which are
easy to......and I have just had my daughter turn around and
Russ: uh-uh, hit some technological gray areas there.
Skip: okay I see.
Skip: okay what's happening is you're getting a little bit
ahead of our technology.
Tanaka: yes, I'm not quite sure what is going on. She is
Skip: she is telling you no.
Tanaka: she does not have that authority.
Skip: no but she's telling you that you're overstepping
which information you're giving us.
Tanaka: I do not see how it would be of harm, it would be
Russ: well it's been explained before that we might invent
something that was given to us but at that point we would
be.....it would be because it came from you, interfering
with our technological growth.
Skip: yeah, right.
Tanaka: but how do you know you weren't supposed to be the
individuals that actually.....
Russ: ahhh, there's the question.
Skip: well that's the challenge, that's the challenge.
Russ: they avoid it by not giving out that information.
Tanaka: hmmm, I see.
Skip: I'm going.....wait a minute.
Russ: anyway, how's life been?
Tanaka: ummm, I am getting some strange looks from both my
daughters and looking at the monitor, you gentlemen seem to
be enjoying my.....
Skip: not really, not really.
Tanaka: my confusion.
Skip: no, not really it's just that we do understand that
some of the technical things that you have access to we do
not. We're discussing this between us and kinda......
Russ: we realized that the more we discuss it, the more
you're going get in trouble, well not trouble, but.....
Skip: well we're kind of poking fun too okay?
Tanaka: I am aware of that.
Skip: okay, not maliciously, just poking fun.
Tanaka: uh-huh but for me, I'm having a difficulty that I
give you the information that would be useful as a whole for
Skip: maybe too much.
Tanaka: but it would definitely not be harmful.....
Skip: no I understand that.
Tanaka: giving you that information, I am having difficulty
understanding why the total restriction on giving the
Russ: well, look at it this way, let's say for example we
create something like this.
Russ: and then our military gets a hold of it, restricts its
use to the rest of the world, uses it strictly in its
creation of weapons of war and destruction.
Russ: and never gets used in a beneficial term except for
killing things or keeping things from being killed.
Tanaka: the material, it is purely a construction material
and would serve no purpose whatsoever as a projectile, it
would be useless.
Russ: but as protection against heat as body armor, it would
Tanaka: that would be the only use that I could perceive
would be as a heat protection. It definitely wouldn't be
useful as a protection against a energy weapon of any kind.
Russ: we don't have energy weapons, we have projectile
Tanaka: even projectile weapons, it would penetrate very
Russ: oh it would?
Russ: then in that case I don't see the problem either
Skip: and the only thing I can see is creating something
from the information that was given to us through you and
not coming up with it from our own process of advancement
Tanaka: but would it not be more useful to give you......I
have not told you how to create it.
Skip: no I understand that. No, no, I understand that but it
still, you've set the thought there.
Tanaka: but it would be something that would be useful. I
find it difficult that something that has no hostile
capacity that would be beneficial once produced inexpensive
in your fiscal capacity......
Skip: well right now it wouldn't be inexpensive, in fact it
would be just exactly the opposite. It would be more
expensive than building material.....
Skip: than we have access to at the present time.
Russ: oh, I see what you mean.
Russ: so if you're going into more construction material
like a house, you're cheaper going with trees which are
Skip: yeah, we're talking about sheets, big sheets. At least
4 x 8, 4 x 10, 5 x 10, 4 x 12's. You have to have a way of
manufacturing the sheets and the mills at the present time
do not have that capacity. To make plywood, you peel a log,
dry the wood and then you crosshatch it with glue and put it
in a steam press and trim the edges. So there's no actual
form to make a 4 x 8 sheet of building material at the
present time other than Styrofoam.
Tanaka: yes but once the facilities have been manufactured
and they are produced, the price would go from something
that would be expensive to something that would be very
cheap and inexpensive and very recyclable.
Russ: true, if it was proven to be a far superior material
than what we're using now, then the price would drop because
other people would do the same thing.
Skip: true, true.
Tanaka: I see the problem would be if you were to keep it to
yourselves and make a huge, considerable profit.
Tanaka: whereas, instead of I believe the term would be
Tanaka: which means that the price would be reduced even
more and it would be a more usable technology.
Russ: right, hold on to the patent but release the.....
Skip: yeah, patent it and franchise it out.
Russ: franchise the patent out yeah.
Russ: patent being our way of protecting those inventions
that are created by people down here.
Tanaka: and ideally it would......you would be rewarded by
fiscal gain correct?
Tanaka: okay, I am being signaled to by my.....
Skip: yeah, I'm sure you are, I'm sure you are. Thank you
Russ: thank you Tanaka.
Skip: thank you.
stressed Kiri comes on to finish up the
Skip: what was I supposed to do? Something I was supposed to
Russ: well you're supposed to do is figuring out the cargo
and the shipping and the colony.
Skip: oh yes, yes, yes.
Russ: you don't remember that?
Skip: yes, yes.
Russ: I've been working on it.
Shane: how you doing?
Kiri: I'm doing fine. There they
go, running on about in their own little world. How's it
Shane: it's going pretty good.
Kiri: oh that's good.
Skip: I got a trowel, Shane? When we go down home,
throw the trowel in the truck.
Shane: the what?
Skip: the trowel.
on, the little hand thing?
Skip: okay, hi babe.
Kiri: hey, okay, we're almost towards the end of the tape.
Skip: yeah, we are.
Russ: that was informative.
Skip: yeah, really.
Kiri: what am I going to do with my dad?
Russ: nothing, he's doing fine.
Skip: hey he's doing fine.
Russ: we love him.
Skip: yeah, we really do.
Russ: bring him back.
Skip: nevermind, just leave him alone, he's doing just
Kiri: I turn my back to talk to my sister and to my
stepmother and what does he do? He breaks every rule we've
Russ: why should there be a rule about it though? As he
says, it's just helping our planet.
Kiri: it's not us, we just obey the policies that are laid
down for us to work with.
Russ: well now we have to sit there and we have to figure
how to do this thing.
Skip: just give me time, just give me time.
Russ: Kiri, you want to help?
Skip: no? What's the matter darling?
Russ: yeah, you'd be a great source of information.
Kiri: you want me to get sent home?
Russ: no, of course not dear.
Skip: no, no.
Kiri: it's all right.
Russ: he's getting sent home.
Skip: but just give me time.
Kiri: if he can do it why can't I?
Russ: because you don't want to be sent home. He does, he's
the President of Sirius, they have to send him home.
Skip: honey, have you ever heard the expression rank has its
Russ: yeah. Even though Ashtar can't do the same.....
Kiri: what has its privileges?
Skip: rank has its privileges. In other words, the higher
you are in an organization, the better your privileges are.
Kiri: I know, I'm teasing about rank.
Skip: okay, all right darling. Anyhow, leave your pop alone,
he's doing just fine.
Kiri: making my life difficult as a ring mistress. I've got
to answer for....
Skip: no you do not.
Russ: yeah, just remember that Star Trek episode.
Skip: no, no, no, no. Rank has its privileges
and you're the ring mistress okay?
Kiri: okay, what Star Trek?
Russ: the one "Star Trek Four", the one where they
go back to earth in the 1980's......
Skip: oh yeah, yeah.
Russ: you know Scotty goes into to go trade for the walls to
make the thing for the whales.
Skip: yeah right, right.
Russ: he says, "well how do we know that this guy didn't
Shane: that's right.
Russ: he gives them the.....
Skip: he gives them the dimensions of what he wants and how
thick the glass has got to be.
Russ: yeah, what was it? It was a plexiglass but was a....
Skip: it was a metal plexiglass.
Russ: right, right, right.
Kiri: that's easy.
Skip: yes it is for you but it isn't for us.
Russ: yeah we don't have it and they say, well gives him the
things and you know.
Skip: gives him the formula...
Russ: "you can't give him that." "How do you know he didn't
Skip: yeah, he gives him the formula for the metal
plexiglass so he can put the what is it, 5 ton whale in
there to take to the future?
Skip: and he says "how do we know he didn't
Russ: well he would, because it would be in the records.
Skip: well it was after Scotty gave him the.....
Russ: well yeah but it would be in the...
Skip: no buts.
Russ: no, it doesn't work that way.
Skip: no buts.
Russ: because in the 23rd century, they can look
back....they know who created the metal plexiglass.
Russ: so if Scotty's giving it to this guy, he would know if
this guy is the guy that invented the metal plexiglass.
Skip: no, it be in the history book.
Kiri: yeah, that's what I'm about to say.
Russ: right, that's what I'm saying. It would be
in the history book in the 23rd century which Scotty would
Skip: well Scotty did know.
Russ: well no he didn't. He says, "how do we know that this
guy didn't create it?"
Kiri: now if my memory serves me right, in that series.
Skip: in other words, it's a catch 21.
Kiri: there was a world war after the 20th century?
Kiri: so it's possible that the records were destroyed in
Russ: now that's possible.
Skip: now there you go, now there you go. Okay, see? Now
she's starting to think instead of getting all flustered.
Kiri: how do you expect me to be? My father tells you how to
make a cheap, inexpensive construction material that can be
easily mass-produced, used in a way that would be easy
to recycle, easy to build with, the perfect material and he
gives it to you.
Russ: well he didn't tell us how to make it.
Kiri: I can't discuss it, I don't talk about it.
Skip: okay baby, we'll quit.
so how goes the project?
Russ: oh, I'm doing quite well on it actually. I have my
place picked out......
Skip: the one to colonate the earth?
Skip: I've shined it on for a little bit.
Skip: no, no, no, no.
Skip: I got involved with a lady.
Kiri: you've got six weeks left.
Skip: I know. I've gotten involved with a lady and........
Kiri: oh I understand, I understand. Actually, I'm thinking
that it would help somebody tremendously with reasoning,
logic, planning, strategy, somebody to help you Skip.
Skip: what did you say?
Shane: I thought she was talking about me.
Skip: hey yeah.
Russ: she is talking about you.
Shane: see how it is?
Kiri: you can help Skip.
Russ: well you better explain the whole rules to him
Kiri: okay, this is the rule and you're going to be Skip's
assistant if that suits you.
Russ: hey wait a minute, I don't get....oh I get Karra,
Kiri: if that suitable for you young man. Okay, this is
what's going on. Skip is leading a colonization force that
will colonize your planet. There is nobody on your planet so
there is no concern about hostilities with a war, it is a
totally empty planet but, it is in its current 20th-century
condition with the exhausted minerals, with the
trees that are gone, with the pollution, with the current
arctic conditions, the unstable weather, the hole in the
ozone, all those current problems exist. The objective is to
find a location that would be the best location for 10,000
individuals to land and start a colony. Also what you've got
to do is plan the trip, which is a five year trip with the
manifest of all the supplies that you would have on board
your ship to make this colony work. You cannot dismantle the
ship because the ship is as it were your lifeboat if
anything goes wrong so what you have to do is bring the
supplies and materials with you so that you colonize an area
that has to meet the criteria of the ideal place. Now the
ideal place involves ideal agriculture, ideal mineral
supplies, ideal weather, ideal temperature weather wise. The
right amount of rain, the right amount of sun, the right
amount of cold and everything that you can think of relevant
to that. Have I covered everything?
Skip: yeah I think you covered just about everything.
Shane: the weather all depends on where you live because
like in the jungle, it's going be wet a lot.
Skip: no, no, no, no. You have
Kiri: a location.
Skip: the location of where you're going to set up this
10,000 person colony. Whether it be in the jungle, in the
mountains, in the South, in the North, on the North Pole,
the South Pole or wherever you're going to do it.
Kiri: uh-huh, whether it's in the Americas, whether it's in
Australia, Europe, Asia, Antarctica, wherever.
Skip: in the current condition of the earth today. Now, one
question, minus the cities?
Kiri: minus the cities.
Skip: okay, I think I asked that before.
Skip: I just wanted make sure. Minus the cities. So another
words, we got a complete wilderness.
Skip: on the whole earth.
Kiri: uh-huh. And if it's acceptable to Shane, would you be
up to helping your grandfather with this project? It would
be something that would be good for learning. All sorts of
things, logistics, planning, strategy, all sorts of things.
You've got your whole entire planet to choose this one
Skip: and we gotta feed 10,000 people for five years plus bring
enough equipment and supplies to form a 10,000 person
Skip: you want to try it? It's a project.
Kiri: okay, got any questions except for the obvious ones
about warp cores?
Skip: (laughs.) hon I got to tease you about it every once
in a while.
Russ: I got one.
Skip: what's that? Go ahead Russ.
these panels be stacked and then cut after they've been put
together to make a.....
Skip: oh darling, we're just teasing, we're just teasing,
you know we are.
Kiri: I know. I'm glad that he has.....
Skip: you know something? These sessions are getting more
and more fun all the time.
Russ: yes they are.
Kiri: it's supposed to get as the level of conversation and
interaction increases with the higher spiritual awareness
and the projects, the mental projects that we give and the
projects that Treebeard gives, they're more interactive.
We've gone from the laying out the groundwork of how you
know the thought processes....
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