Archivist Notes: A timely channeling session for challenging time. December's podcast covers two of the more relevant events of our times playing out in the news and no matter that the session happened in 1998, concerns about the world's nuclear status are still tied very closely to the self-control shown by the leaders of a number of countries including the United States. When beings of higher dimensions bring such things to our attention, we are smart to hear out what they have to say from their perspective of third party observers with only a small role to play in our decisions offered here in the form of these channelings. Whether they make a difference rests with those who chose to find value in what they say.

   The nuclear option is the fist topic up for discussion and it is Tia who gets us started in a shortened night where several questions of a personal nature were omitted from the podcast. The recent testing of atomic weapons India recently had conducted was the genesis of the subject had on tap for the night. She also outlines how China's acquiring a missile telemetry system was just part of an arms race at the time going on between that country, India and Pakistan that had the potential to create a worldwide disaster. She finishes by pointing out that India's ability to have nuclear weapons had been prompted by China's new technology and that Pakistan had to conduct the tests it had in response to India's actions. Omal follows Tia's discussion with of his own on self-control. He covers the pros and cons of self-control with the main advantage being for the purpose of advancement. In the question and answer phase after his short dissertation, the subject of the UFO cover-up by the Government comes up and he gives his opinion of their actions they took following the Roswell crash on whether they took the right approach or not. The questions turn toward the rush to spirituality as the millennium was coming to a close. The end side one comes with the most definitive answer as to the nature of God in relation to our planet as Omal had ever given.

    Omal returns on side two but for only a short time but it is long enough to confirm that our personal growth is something that aids in the personal growth of others. That growth though faces many challenges to maintain it with the distractions faced in our modern world. It is Karra's turn to channel next and the topic of sibling rivalry comes up from our youngest guest as well as the topic of bullying. These questions were in Karra's wheelhouse being the mother she is and helped with understanding the reasons for childish behavior. When Kiri takes her sister's place she is tasked with helping the oldest guest in the room improve on his engineering abilities. To that end she breaks down the process of redesigning something already in existence to improve on it. Thinking through how that process is arranged is the key she provides to answer his question. She gives as an example a sword he had made and happened to be on the wall in the room where we did the recording of how he was drawing unconsciously from knowledge he didn't even know he had. Her other example she provides is a personal one where she has been redesigning the channeling setup they use on the Base in the various channeling rooms. We know from earlier podcasts she was successful in her efforts. She ends the session with a reminder that everyone who has designed of engineered something almost always knows someone down the line is going to improve on it.

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SIDE ONE

(Tia starts things off)

Tia: hey hello, greetings welcome Skip, Shane, Russ.

Skip: yep.

(Tia says hello and then some in Durondedunn)

Skip: how you doing tonight?

Russ: greetings and felicitations.

Tia: I’m doing good. Okay, down to business, where do I start? Hmm, where do I start?

Skip: at the beginning is usually the best place to start darling.

Tia: yes but I’ve got so many beginnings.

Skip: we’ll just grab one and give it heck.

Tia: that one will do. Okay, nuclear testing.

Russ: that’s a good one.

Tia: uh-huh, I thought so. Okay, why did India test nuclear weapons? Well, it’s a little convoluted.

Russ: well it’s not to find out if they can test them or not or whether they can have them.

Tia: it’s more along the lines of saying “we have nuclear weapons.”

Shane: and you don’t?

Tia: no, most of the people around them do.

Russ: Pakistan does now.

Tia: uh-huh, now the logic behind their action.........

Russ: what is the logic behind their action?

Tia: well, the logic is that they have the ability to launch nuclear missiles. They also have the capability to launch…….

Skip: intercontinental?

Tia: thank you, intercontinental ballistic missiles, ICBM's. The ability that they have to launch nuclear weapons that have the capability to hit Shanghai or Beijing. Now, why would they select those two as how far they could reach.........that they're saying that they can reach either Beijing or Shanghai? Now, moving to one side a little bit to one of their neighbors, China. China recently got a whole load of some technology for telemetry tracking and being able to launch into high orbit supposedly to launch satellites. China has for some time had nuclear capability. Where did they get this technology from? Well, a trade deal was struck back in ‘86 to help them in satellite placement after two satellites carrying……..two rockets carrying satellites from the United States blew up. Now this is very unusual that there would be United States satellites on a foreign power’s rockets, especially a hostile foreign power. Even though that there’s been no conflict between China and the United States since Vietnam, they are still perceived as hostile and China does have a track record. They also have a philosophy called the long view that one day they will rule the world and it is something they've been saying for the past six, seven hundred years since they became aware of external countries. So, all of a sudden China has this ability to launch nuclear weapons into high orbit and to select their own reentry points to blast wherever. Now this technology came from United States agencies or from a company that is a military contractor. Now this military contractor donated $300,000 to the 1992 campaign for the president, for the Democratic candidate. Again in ‘96 they donated $400,000 and low and behold, a waiver was signed saying that they could go to China and launch these satellites which promptly blew up and then another waiver was signed for them to aid the Chinese in this capability. In the meantime, Indian Secret Service gets ahold of this information and then goes, "oh dear" and subsequently goes ahead and gives the information to their government who develops a nuclear capability on their own with existing technology buying here, buying there and so on. So now they are a nuclear threat to China, China is a nuclear threat to them prior to this and it would be difficult for China to hit them accurately without this telemetry tracking and reentry capability that was given to the Chinese by basically Bill Clinton by signing these waivers.

Shane: he signed them?

Tia: he signed them. There’s got to be a presidential executive order. In doing so, Bill Clinton has initiated an arms race in a very unstable area, very unstable area. Increasing more than at any time in your world's nuclear capability history in the last 50 to 60....well 50 years increasing the danger of a nuclear war not by 10% but by a hundredfold. Now, Pakistan hears about these tests through their sources that weren’t very well covered and gets very worried and decides to launch its own tests. In the meantime, India works very hard to develop the ability to launch missiles to hit China and anywhere else within a 3,000 mile radius all because of somebody’s lust for power and money. This nuclear race with these countries that are not exactly stable and have the tendency to react aggressively towards each other is now a serious threat on your planet. The chances of nuclear war are much higher than they’ve ever been. And a refugee from the sixties who protested American involvement in Vietnam, protested nuclear activities, is responsible by his incomprehension as I’ve stated in the past of foreign international politics, total incomprehension. Now, with other instabilities going on and the fact that selling of nuclear technology and rocket technology is very lucrative, with instabilities in such countries as Indonesia which is very unstable........we will cover Indonesia in a moment after I’ve answered some questions. The tenuous problems created by the nuclear arms race in the Third World countries which is what it is, is now dangerous. Pakistan, China, India. Now, if there was a limited nuclear war, there would be a catastrophic worldwide effect because of the situation of these three countries. On the monsoon and jet stream pathways that they happen to be on could be very dangerous and detrimental if there was a nuclear war. I’m not saying that there will be and I don’t perceive that there’s going to be, not in the near future but, the situation in these countries is heightened because of this gross negligence. Okay, questions.

Shane: me.

Tia: Shane, you had one.

Shane: yeah, Bill Clinton signed a waiver?

Tia: uh-huh.

Shane: was that the test the bombs on Chinese?

Tia: no, a waiver is saying that something……

Shane: what was the waiver for?

Tia: to sell technology or rather to let a U.S. company use Chinese rockets to launch satellites that the Chinese were incapable of launching.

Shane: hmmm.

Tia: next question?

Russ: yeah, why is the ability to use computer simulations so important to the Indians and the rest of the world?

Tia: it's important because if you go around using the real McCoy, it's very expensive.

Russ: right.

Tia: it’s also……you can factor in more possibilities. If you launch a rocket on a bright, sunny day, maybe you’re not going to be launching it on a bright, sunny day. Maybe it’s going to be winds from the West for five miles an hour, from the east, from the South, from the North, from the Northeast, maybe it’s going to be slightly overcast, maybe it’s going to be humid, maybe it’s going to be cold, maybe it’s going to be hot, maybe it’s raining, maybe it’s snowing, who knows? But you can factor in all these factors into the simulations.

Russ: it seems as though that would almost be a deterrent in itself, being able to know what these things can do.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but obviously not.

Tia: no, if you can do it on paper but you don’t have it, so what?

Russ: hmm, Skip?

Skip: this sounds like a bunch of little kids telling, “hey, look at me, I can join the club.”

Tia: yeah, pretty much so, pretty much so.

Skip: stupid.

Tia: very stupid and all because of one person’s negligence, one person’s desire for power.

Russ: okay well why is it Tom Hayden plays such an important role in this or do you think I'd miss that part?

Tia: no, Tom Hayden is a very interesting individual, very interesting. He claims to have allegiance to one group but has allegiance to only one item.

Russ: which is?

Tia: can anybody tell me?

Russ: wait a minute, he has allegiance to the same sixties politics that he had back in the sixties.

Tia: claims to.

Russ: yeah?

Tia: but he doesn’t.

Russ: what is he, a special interest kind of thing now?

Tia: no, he has an interest in one thing and one thing only......

Skip: money.

Shane: money.

Tia: money as most of the people from the sixties that are now in power. They have no interest in human rights, they have no interest in peace, all's they want is money, to look good, to leave a legacy and the only legacy that they’re leaving is a nuclear arms race in an area where it’s very unstable.

Russ: okay what is his role in this?

Tia: his role?

Russ: did he protest? He couldn’t of because it just went through.

Tia: no not really, not really.

Russ: he agreed then?

Tia: no.

Skip: he just ignored it.

Tia: he did nothing.

Skip: he just ignored it.

Tia: which is the worst crime of all.

Skip: in other words, if you ignore something long enough it’ll go away.

Kiri: or bite you.

Skip: yep.

Tia: and in this case it might just bite.

Skip: what is wrong with these people?

Tia: uh-huh but it’s nothing to be overly worried about. Now, the other side of the coin is shock, horror, funding. Funding of governmental agencies and a particular governmental agency that is supposed to be in the know, the CIA. The CIA has had its funding cut over the past few years. In fact it’s had its budget repeatedly cut since ‘93. Shock horror, they did not know about the test until they happened, they did not know that it was coming. They were caught by surprise, they were caught with their underwear down. Okay, questions.

Russ: okay first off, oh…….

Skip: go ahead, go ahead, you're doing all right.

Russ: the jet stream you mentioned…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: has the ability to come through and affect the world.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: why is that going to affect us, how is the jet stream from that part of the globe affect us? I thought that was down South or am I mistaken?

Tia: you’re very mistaken.

Russ: okay.

Tia: the jet stream does this routine, it’s like a wave. Let us say there’s a storm that brews off of the coast of Japan.......

Russ: okay.

Tia: right? It goes up into the Arctic and down into the United States. Let us say Beijing gets hit by a nuclear bomb, it gets nuked.....

Russ: okay.

Tia: right? Let’s say by a small 50 megaton nuclear missile.

Russ: alright.

Tia: okay, the way that the jet stream goes, if China’s here and the U.S. is here, with the jet stream it blows this way, it goes up into the Arctic, it picks up moisture and goodness knows what else, comes down over Alaska harming all those native Alaskans all the way down into Washington, Oregon, California and spreads out that way.

Russ: okay.

(Tia says something in Durodedunn)

Tia: okay? So it does affect you.

Skip: so we'd get the radiation fallout.

Tia: uh-huh, depends how big it is and I think that if you were to drop a 50 megaton U.S. ICBM on Beijing, it would not do as much damage as the one if the Indians dropped one, why?

Skip: because we’ve cleaned ours up.

Tia: exactly, there’s are dirty nuclear missiles.

Russ: what happened to Korea and its ability to create havoc, we haven’t heard about them in months?

Tia: guess where the plutonium came from.

Russ: ahhh.

Shane: plutonium?

Russ: well that does make sense then.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now that’s painting a bit more clearer picture of what’s going on with that then.

Tia: it’s funny that nobody’s heard about it recently, everybody’s forgotten about it.

Russ: well that was my other question, how come nobody’s heard about it lately?

Tia: it goes back to a little bit of trade wheeling and dealing that I just covered. If you remember, I said that there were things that weren't clear.

Russ: right.

Tia: now India has nuclear reactors obviously.

Russ: and so does Pakistan.

Tia: uh-huh, now the nuclear reactors are monitored as a matter of course, everybody’s nuclear reactors are monitored so that they can’t take…..especially Third World countries……they can’t take the plutonium and uranium from there and make nuclear weapons. So there’s only two sources that can give nuclear material, the former Soviet Union and the United States unless of course it comes through some other devious route.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: and as the former Soviet Union has fallen to pieces, well there’s one place. Where do you think Pakistan gets theirs from?

Russ: Soviet Union.

Tia: where do you think India get some of theirs from?

Shane: Soviet Union.

Russ: but India’s been working with nuclear power for a couple decades haven’t they?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so they could’ve just used what they had working off just what their reactors were turning out.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they didn’t need any outside help.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: but why draw attention to it?

Russ: but everyone's known India’s had nuclear weapons for years. Israel has nuclear weapons, the Arabs have nuclear weapons….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: India’s had them, nobody’s just admitted to it is all. Now finally India’s admitting to it.

Tia: yes.

Russ: it’s just a political move.

Tia: uh-huh, for what purpose?

Russ: well for one thing, to get more money.

Tia: no, to get China off their back that now has capability to hit them hard.

Russ: hmm, like they did Tibet?

Tia: uh-huh, you see? It gets very, very murky, very difficult. Okay, let’s move right along…..no let’s save that for next week. Okay let’s pick another strand, my pet topic. Anybody know what my pet topic is?

Russ: morals.

Tia: no, other pet topic.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: and I’ve been told to drop that one, okay.

(Skip starts laughing)

Tia: any more questions?

Russ: uh-uh.

Skip: no.

Tia: no? Okay……….

Shane: bye.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

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(Tia moves out of the channeling field so Omal can take his turn)


Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Russ, greetings Skip, greetings Shane.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay first of all let us look at Tia’s dissertation. Oh my, she has touched some very hot subjects hasn’t she?

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: I asked Tia to drop her other pet topic as she would have probably gone on a tirade about pollution and forest fires, especially the current ones.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: I think she would’ve got very upset and very heated very quickly and she is shaking her head saying no but I know better.

Russ: one ecological disaster after another.

Omal: yes, you know how she feels about the environment. For somebody that has very little connection with your planet other than to monitor it and to receive information and compile information, she certainly has a very strong feeling about it.

Russ: probably for that same exact reason.

Omal: because she cares.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: okay, now let me move along to a brief dissertation, brief dissertation on self-control. Self-control is important for many reasons, not just controlling oneself on an impulse to do things that one desires in a way that is self-gratifying, self-control can refer to many different aspects and parts of life. Controlling one’s desires to do things that are non-beneficial, that are gratifying for the moment and only the moment. Actions in development of a conscience control in advancement from a young age to great age is something that is continuous. Being responsible and achieving desired objectives without acting rashly is important in the development of all beings regardless of whether they are male, female or others, feline, canine, simian or any other. All beings learn self-control for the reason that sometimes a lack of self-control can have very detrimental harms to not only themselves but other individuals or areas such as the environment. A failure to have self-control is something that is responsible for the falling of many societies and cultures throughout your planet’s evolutionary history. The understanding that control is necessary to stop from acting in a harmful way is something that seems to be lacking more and more and I feel personally that it is something that has to be reestablished, that self-control is important. Desires sometimes have to be put aside for a purpose of advancement. After all, if there is no self-control, there is no advancement. Any questions?

Russ: I have ten but……..

Skip: go ahead Russ.

Russ: okay. First off, what about the ability to flow with the given moment even though it seems like you don’t have self-control over the moment, flowing with it achieves the better result?

Omal: not always, not always.

Russ: true, true.

Omal: sometimes if you flow with it instead of going against it, you end up further away from the objective that you planned so therefore if you were to say, "no I will control myself and go against the flow", you will achieve your objective sooner.

Russ: all right in that case I'm extremely confused.

Omal: okay, next question please.

Russ: okay, Shane?

Shane: no.

Russ: okay.

Skip: okay, one question please Omal?

Omal: okay.

Skip: I guess I’ve probably exercised more self-control than most people throughout my life trying to be accepted or please other individuals. By doing this, I think I’ve closed down my own will.

Omal: no, I would say that you haven’t. Having your own free will and deciding to please other people is part of free will, you chose to do that. It is not closed, it is that you do not perceive the other avenues because you have decided to pursue that one avenue. A good way to look at it is, is instead of thinking how can I please this person, how can I benefit them and myself?

Skip: thank you.

Omal: you’re welcome, Russ?

Russ: okay, you mentioned that a lack of self-control can harm the environment around you, what environment are you speaking of?

Omal: look around you, that is what I’m referring to.

Russ: okay, your surroundings?

Omal: correct.

Skip: hmm.

Russ: okay

Omal: next question.

Shane: uh-huh, so you’re talking about self-control and everything, so like you know like how like UFOs are unidentified flying objects?

Omal: that is a contradiction.

Shane: okay, well.....

Omal: but continue.

Shane: a lot of people and government and whatever say this all and they have evidence but they won’t show it to the public because they’re afraid that they’re not going to take it well?

Omal: why? Well it is too late to go back on what they decided to do. If they had at a prior time said, “okay we have been visited from outer space, we have these items, we don’t understand what they do but as soon as we learn what they do we will let you know.” That would’ve been a better approach. Unfortunately they are in too deep, they are in over their heads now, there is no going back. Whatever happens, happens. Next question please.

Russ: Omal, there's a flip side to that too, the technology they've learned from those artifacts and such has advanced our technology in leaps and bounds.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so therefore there is a positive side to this also.

Omal: yes there is to the extent that the technology that they have learned, they’ve had to reproduce and in doing so they themselves have advanced. So would it be better to hold on to what you have and say that it doesn’t exist until you understand how it fully operates or to give it out and say we have no idea how this operates, which is better?

Russ: the first one.

Omal: to do it bit by bit.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: which is what they’re doing.

Russ: which is what they’re doing right.

Omal: it is something that they have lied so much that anything that they say is now taken with a pinch of salt. What they are doing is they are mixing truth and lies. The best way to lie, you take some of the truth and distort it.

Shane: it’s still lying.

Omal: it is still lying but it is a good way to lie, you’ve taken some of the truth and you change it. Next question.

Russ: the question about……..I’m changing the subject slightly…………the Toronto Blessing.

Shane: what’s that?

Russ: the Toronto Blessing is a phenomenon that started in Toronto that’s now sweeping across America also in which many people going to Christian churches suddenly start channeling and feeling the spirit of Jesus….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or the spirit of the holy whatever taking over and they’re going into trances, they’re going into convulsions, they’re laughing and it’s happening on a massive scale now.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I wonder if you could maybe put it into a light that we could understand what’s going on.

Omal: I’ll give you one word, millennialism.

Shane: what’s that mean?

Skip: change of the century.

Omal: change of the millennium, next one up.

Shane: I have a question, I went to church and everything and try to understand what they were saying and trying to get involved and all that stuff, I do believe in God but I understand what they were feeling, what they were doing and everything and I tried ask questions and understand and like I thought I didn’t fit in or anything.

Omal: that is understandable, it is a belief issue. How strongly you believe in something. Believing in something so strongly that it overrides all rhyme and reason. It is something that they believe or appear to believe without rhyme or reason.

Shane: say you believe in something, like you get really excited about it and it makes you feel different right?

Omal: correct.

Shane: is that what’s going on?

Omal: correct.

Shane: okay, I understand now.

Omal: next question.

Russ: okay, with the coming millennium….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: are we seeing an actual change in consciousness then?

Omal: no more than is normal at the change of any millennium.

Russ: but that is a substantial amount I take it?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, how do we take advantage of that or use it for our own personal growth?

Omal: by watching and observing and seeing how people react and inter-react but remember, the change of the millennium does not occur until it goes 2001.

Russ: so it’s going to get even more intense?

Omal: yes, even though most people, 90% of the population of your planet believe that the change of the millennium occurs from '99 to 2000.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Shane, count to twenty for me.

(Shane counts from one to twenty)

Omal: okay, when did the change go from one group of 10 to the next group of 10?

Shane: in the middle.

Omal: at what number?

Shane: at 10.

Omal: okay, so the number after 10 is the start of the next batch of 10.

Shane: uh-huh, it's the beginning of the end.

Omal: okay, that’s the beginning of the next group. So let us start from the start of the decade right? Okay Skip.

Skip: yeah your decade would be not '90 but '91 would be the start of the '90 decade.

Omal: so does that answer the question that you were having of why 2001 is the start of the next millennium?

Skip: yeah, that'd be correct.

Shane: because it ends and it starts on that number.

Omal: correct.

Omal: okay, next question, Russ?

Russ: a long time ago we discussed the future and you said that a lot of the future would be determined by the people who believed in New Age consciousness but actually weren’t........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that they would have a lot of effect on the backlash from those who aren’t into the New Age to those who are and those who actually do and are into the New Age would be suffering because of that as a result.

Omal: correct.

Russ: is this what I’m discussing part of that then?

Omal: yes

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, next question.

Skip: okay now I’ve got a question. I have noticed from my own experience that more and more people are turning toward....they're not pulling away from God but they’re accepting God in a new way.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: they’re trying to teach us I believe that we are part of God because we were created by him.

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: is this a correct conception or wrong? In other words I’m part of my father because he actually…..

Omal: supplied the genes.

Skip: that’s right.

Omal: or half the genes.

Skip: yeah.

Omal: yes in a way you are correct but it is a definition of what is God. What is God?

Skip: well, from all the teachings I’ve learned in my life and I'm in the second half of my life okay?

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: that God is a supreme being that takes care of all of us to a point and he created us as brothers and sisters no matter where we are in the world…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: that has no bearing on his creation. He's the spark of life on our planet from what I can understand.

Omal: yes, but the definition of God is that he is a supreme being of your planet……

Skip: yes.

Omal: that is a correct analogy. It is hard to word it without going in too deep into theology and theology is always a tricky and difficult area. Let us save this for another time when we have somebody that is a little……


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Omal continues to take questions on side two)


Russ: okay, you said that as we get closer to the millennium, things will get more intense.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, I was speaking on a matter on consciousness side, what about the other end of the spectrum?

Omal: I think that is very much self-evident if you watch your popular entertainment device.

Shane: TV?

Skip: TV?

Omal: yes.

Skip: yes.

Omal: that is very self-evident, next?

Skip: excuse me, it is? I’m sorry.

Omal: no, that is all right, you have a question or a comment?

Skip: no, no.

Omal: go ahead, say what is on your mind.

Skip: to me it looks like they’re reverting back 10 or 20 years instead of going forward with the TV.

Omal: yes it does seem very……having been around as long as I have, I've seen many different changes and it is very cyclical, it is very cyclical in what goes on. It is very confusing at times, you would think after numerous millennium I would be used to the changes and fluctuations, I am not. Next question.

Skip: go-ahead Russ.

Russ: the many times that we've talked on the same exact matter, it’s always been concerning personal growth........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And it’s not a world event, it’s a personal event on how we perceive the world around us.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay? Our ability to influence our fellow humans in their perceptions is also key in our own growth is it not?

Omal: yes it is, it is very important for your own growth. The fact that we use personal growth a lot of the time is something that aids in the development of the individual and in aiding the individual, it aids on a much wider scale and it is no longer at that point personal growth but a group growth.

Russ: and we’re part of that because we’re part of the group?

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: as long as we breathe and interact with our fellow humans even on a world scale, we're a world group.

Skip: that’s right.

Omal: that’s correct.

Russ: so what’s going on in Indonesia for example affects Skip, I and Shane?

Omal: correct.

Skip: yes it does.

Omal: and Russ.

Russ: and you in that matter I guess.

Omal: correct.

Omal: I will depart.

Russ: farewell Omal.

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(Tia comes back in to welcome Karra)


Tia: uh-hmm, okay.

Skip: and your field of expertise darling?

Tia: astral travel.

Skip: ahhh, I haven’t learned how to do that yet.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay Russ, detail, print up that page.

Russ: all right.

Skip: yeah I haven’t learned how to do that again yet, I used to do it but I can’t. I haven’t learned to open my mind.

Tia: any questions for me? Okay….

Shane: bye-bye.

Tia: I’ll come back.

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(Karra comes on to help our growth)


Skip: Russ, Karra the engineer or the healer?

Russ: healer.

Skip: okay.

Karra: hello.

Russ: hello.

Karra: greetings everyone.

Skip: how are you this evening young lady?

Karra: thank you, I am doing fine…….

Skip: good.

Karra: a little weary but fine. Okay, questions.

Shane: which one are you?

Karra: I’m the healer, I’m Karra.

Shane: okay, all right you know how people get hurt….

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: and other people take care of them?

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: I’m not saying this is everybody but like okay if every time they get hurt and other people take care of them, sometimes I think if everybody takes care of them every time they get hurt they won’t learn to do it on their own.

Karra: it depends on what the hurt is. For example, if you were to severely reconfigure a limb, would you be able to take care of that?

Shane: I know there’s some situations you have to do it but there’s other situations where you can do it by yourself or other people can help you do it and it just gets me because I’m not saying for everybody, like sometimes little kids want attention and some other people want attention.

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: so every time they do it they won’t let their mom or dad to take care of them. I don’t understand that, after they get older or something like that and they….

Karra: and they continue to rely on other people to help them.

Shane: yeah.

Karra: why?

Shane: I don’t know.

Karra: it is because they do not want to face and pay the piper as it were, they don’t want to face the music.

Shane: okay, if they don’t have a choice and there’s nobody around to help them…..

Karra: they will be quite capable of handling it themselves. I think you’re asking the question for a specific reason.

Shane: I’ve seen it happen many times and sometimes it gets me irritated.

Karra: then learn from that for your self-betterment.

Shane: I do.

Karra: uh-huh, that’s good but I think you are asking because somebody in your life irritates you in that way.

Shane: sometimes, sometimes not.

Karra: that person is learning to readjust themselves. My little sister is a great one of having good insight sometimes and I can read between the lines too very easily.

Shane: it’s not one person, it’s several persons.

Karra: it is a group of persons.

Shane: yes.

Karra: uh-huh, but they are learning to grow.

Shane: sure don’t seem like it.

(Skip laughs)

Skip: I knew that was coming.

Karra: yep, they are.

Skip: uh-huh.

Shane: I got another question.

Karra: okay.

Shane: I’ve seen this happen several times also.

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: like they'll be mean to their little brothers or sisters….

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: they hurt them or something and make them cry and then they act like they got hurt too and they start crying too because they don’t want to get in trouble?

Karra: you’ve answered your question.

Shane: but why would they do that? Because they already know they’re going to get in trouble either way and they start crying, why do that?

Karra: it is to lessen the punishment or to attempt to lessen the punishment. Yes, any questions?

Russ: did you ever do that Karra?

Karra: actually I never hurt my little sister as there is the age difference. I was already at university when she was born.

Shane: so you were old enough to know better.

Karra: correct.

Shane: and understand.

Karra: correct.

Shane: okay.

Karra: it is not something that comes with age and wisdom.

Shane: well, what I notice a lot is the closest ones….

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: the closest ones in the family fight a lot and the ones that are far apart don't fight as much, they get along a lot better than the closest ones.

Karra: it is because that the older ones are more aware of what is being taught to them and they recall how they felt whereas if they're separated by a year or two it is not so easy to see the difference.

Shane: true.

Karra: the further apart, the more easier and more tolerant an individual is to see what was and see themselves within the person and to remember from the person’s behavior, action and injuries of their own. Yes?

Russ: sort of like how our children do?

Karra: uh-huh. Okay……

Russ: because Klarra takes care of David and Michael.

(Ed. note: Karra's younger daughter who take care of the twins of Karra and myself)

Karra: yes, there is that age difference.

Russ: right.

Karra: and I know Alana would take care of any of my children, any of her sisters and brothers.

(Karra's oldest daughter)
 
Russ: right.

Shane: I’ve got a question.

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: you know how people like when they first meet you and don’t know you and they already look down on you, why is that?

Karra: it’s something that I think you would call……..well first of all they don’t know you, how do you fix it?

Shane: I don’t pay no attention to it but it still bugs me.

Karra: obviously you do pay attention to it because it does bug you.

Shane: oh, I didn’t know that.

Karra: then say to yourself, “okay, if they look down on me, so what. I am who I am, take me as I am not as you want me to be.

Shane: well they don’t know who you are so they can’t really say nothing bad.

Russ: will Shane, each of us have our own special qualities. No matter how anybody views you or what you do or what their opinion is of you, you have special things apart from them that they don’t have or never will have sometimes.

Shane: hmmm.

Russ: and you have to look at your strong points and realize that you're special for various reasons and they don’t understand those reasons.

Shane: all right.

Karra: okay, thank you.

Russ: thank you love.

Karra: you’re welcome hon. Okay, I will see you later.

Shane: goodbye.

Karra: and have a fun evening everyone.

Shane: you too

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(Tia returns to put on the last speaker)


(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay, I’m back briefly.

Skip: you’re such a jewel.

Tia: oh thank you, jewel in the crown, the crown of Hades Base.

Skip: there you go.

Tia: okay, any questions for me?

Shane: are you the hyper one?

Tia: no, I’m the astral traveler, political analyst and….

Russ: all around mischief maker.

(The group laughs)

Tia: I will put the mischief maker on.

Shane: mistress maker?

Russ: mischief.

Shane: oh.

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(Kiri comes on to talk engineering)


Shane: hello.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Skip: hi Kiri.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: anyhow, how can I increase my engineering abilities? Honey I’ve lived…..I’m at the twilight of my life and I’d still like to increase them.

Kiri: no, you’re not at the twilight, you’ve got tons of good years left in you.

Skip: true but I’m on the second half (laughs).

Kiri: says who?

Skip: well according to our 3-D…..

Kiri: uh-huh but maybe you’re going to prove them all wrong, you’re going to live to a 150.

Skip: I doubt that very much.

Kiri: all right okay, how do you improve your engineering skills?

Skip: yeah right.

Kiri: okay what are the main questions that you always ask yourself? How does it work, why does it work and how can I do that? Those are the three main questions.

Skip: yep.

Kiri: how does it work, why does it work and how can I do that?

Skip: and how can I fix it?

Kiri: there’s some times where it’s not necessary.

Skip: or improve on it.

Kiri: improve it, good. Okay that’s part of tapping the knowledge.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay? How can I improve on it, what’s the next step?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: what’s the next step? Come on, what’s the next step from there?

Skip: redesign.

Kiri: re-engineer it. What’s the next step from re-engineering?

Skip: invention.

Kiri: doing it. But how can you re-engineer.........?

Skip: miniaturize it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but they’ve already done that.

Kiri: yeah but you can look at something and say how can you improve upon it. For example, that piece of antiquated equipment.

(a laptop Russ was using)

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: how can you improve it?

Shane: make it pocket-sized.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: more powerful.

Kiri: more powerful.

Russ: bigger hard drive.

Kiri: okay?

Shane: more information.

Kiri: more information storage. Think of all the possibilities of an item, all the possibilities that you can think about that one item right? What can you do? And then what realistically can you do with the knowledge that you have? And in using that knowledge that you have, you learn. By thinking the process through…..

Skip: I think what my biggest drawback is I build everything to last for a century.

Kiri: uh-huh, you build it to last which is the correct way to do things. For example, there is a piece of electrical equipment in this abode that was built to last, technological equipment. It is now getting close to being obsolete and it was built to last and lasted very well, what was that?

Russ: radio in this room?

Kiri: no, it’s in this house.

Russ: oh in the house, the Amiga.

(an early computer we both used at the time.)

Kiri: correct.

Shane: what’s an Amiga?

Kiri: it’s I believe Mark's thingy he uses.

Russ: one of three we have around here.

Kiri: uh-huh, it was built 10 years ago and it is only just becoming obsolete. In the technology world of those things, that’s incredible, that is phenomenal.

Skip: but the technology is moving forward so fast you can’t even keep up with it.

Kiri: that’s correct, that’s why that up there in the other room is so incredible, the fact that it lasted for 10 years.

Shane: and it’s still up-to-date or almost up-to-date.

Kiri: almost up-to-date and it is now starting to become out-of-date just because the software isn't available for it. That’s fantastic, by building something that lasts for a computer, 10 years is a century. And you’re doing something, you’re building something to last, that will last maybe more than a century, maybe two. And one day your great, great, great, great grandson goes, "my great, great grandfather Skip made this. We’ve had it in the family, this huge sword has been in our family for 200 years."

Shane: dang.

Kiri: it was made by my great, great, great, great grandfather. Now, isn’t that great?

Skip: I never gave that a thought when I made it.

Kiri: isn’t the highest compliment on your planet to be remembered by your descendants for your deeds?

Skip: yeah, everybody tries to make their mark.

Kiri: uh-huh and making an heirloom, something that now maybe is worth what, how much? Two, three hundred of your earth currency?

Skip: that’s stretching it.

Kiri: okay maybe worth 150 of your earth currency?

Skip: yeah, I would say so.

Kiri: okay, in 200 years, how much is that going to be worth?

Skip: I have no idea.

Kiri: set at antique.

Skip: there is no way of computing that at all, no way.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Shane: depends on how good of condition it is in.

Skip: because it’s one-of-a-kind.

Kiri: exactly, it’s a one-of-a-kind, it’s made for a specific reason. Now that is an heirloom.

Skip: yeah, it’s just one-of-a-kind.

Kiri: uh-huh, that is something to be very proud of. That piece of engineering to make that, to design that and it took engineering skill. It took planning of what you wanted it to look like, telling the person where to put the blood groove, filing it and that’s all engineering. Building the handle, building the sheath for it, building the belt for it, that’s all engineering. It’s nothing to sneer at, nothing to downplay, that is something to be very proud of.

Skip: well yeah but……yeah okay.

Kiri: Russ, could you do that?

Russ: not in a million years.

Kiri: Shane? Maybe.

Shane: depends on what is. I could probably do it because of what it is.

Kiri: uh-huh, I know that I could do it but it wouldn't be as much care and love that was put into it because weapons like that, things like that don’t fascinate me.

Shane: if it was a weapon, I would put a lot of care into it.

Kiri: yep, that is the important thing.

Skip: darling, I do that with everything I do though.

Kiri: so you’re not leaving just one incredible piece of engineering…..

Skip: well no, no, that’s not what I’m trying to say.

Kiri: you want to know how to access that information.

Skip: yes, because everything that I do……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: even for other people, I try to build it so it will last or try to fix it so it will last.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: not…..I see so many people that are not….

Kiri: they fix it to break, to keep themselves going.

Skip: well they don't fix it to break but they don’t do the complete job.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: they…..well I call it Rube Goldberg engineering. In other words, it’s Mickey Mouse the way a lot of people fix things......

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.

Skip: and I can’t do that.

Kiri: okay, do you want to know why?

Skip no, I mean yes excuse me, I’m sorry.

Kiri: because you’re using your engineering knowledge, the stuff that you can’t access consciously comes out subconsciously. When you sit down and fix something to make sure it lasts being fixed, that is engineering, that is accessing the information that you think you can't get at.

Skip: okay let me give you a for example. I’m working for a doctor’s wife, she asked me to build a plastic lattice cover for their air-conditioning.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I did.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I could’ve put it together with half a dozen screws in each edge, I didn’t, I put probably 20 screws in each edge. I don’t want it to fall apart, I don't want it to come apart.

Kiri: that is called craftsmanship, that is called taking pride in your work. That comes from your engineering skill and background that you claim you can’t access.

Skip: okay, all right. So in another words, I’m doing it without even thinking about it.

Kiri: uh-huh, which is the best way. I know what you want to do, you want to be able to go, “hmm, okay I want to build a better mousetrap and I want to make it so that my heirs will never have to work again.”

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Kiri: doesn’t work that way unfortunately. I know, I know it would be nice if it did for you but who knows, maybe you’ll have that brief flash that will make that happen but there again what would they learn if they didn’t have to go….....what would Shane learn?

Skip: well I done that years ago but I never took advantage of it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I developed self-contained trailer brakes for camping trailers and other trailers.

Kiri: uh-huh and you didn’t take advantage of that because you saw it as wrong to put a price on other people’s safety.

Skip: that’s about it, I drew it up and I knew exactly what to do with it, how to make it work and everything.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and about five years after I figured it out, it came out on the market.

Kiri: it’s the way it goes. Part of engineering is being able to sit down and think about things and it's sort of like, “okay, I’m not going to be able to do that today, I’m not going to be able to do that tomorrow, let me think about it, let me see how it’s going to work." "What is going to work is a.....", I don’t know what your measurements would be, "very, very micro thin piece of wire, would that work on what I’m working on? Okay it doesn’t so what is going to be a good conductive material that will work?”

Shane: depends on what it is.

Kiri: exactly, depends what it is, it depends what you’re thinking on. You see the thing is that when you’re designing something, whether it’s on a piece of paper or it’s in a kit form, you have to plan, think and analyze where the objective is and what you’re designing. It's like.......I have a project I’m working on and I’ve been working on it now for about maybe four years and I know for a fact that I will probably never finish it completely.

Shane: what is it?

Kiri: it is an improvement for the channeling setup that we have up here and basically I looked at the old one and I go back and look at the ones that they’re still using and I look at it and I go, "okay what can I do to improve that?" The thing is I have a quarter of it built of the new system and I’ve already seen things that I can improve and make better so what I'm going to do is I'm going to strip it back back down and improve those things that I know I can improve and then I will start on the next quarter part which will be the first half. And I know for a fact that whilst I’m doing that I will see things that I’ve learned whilst working on the second quarter that I can improve on the first quarter so it will take me a long time to do. And I want to design the best possible channeling setup. It’s not as a legacy, it’s not as to make myself well known or highly thought of, it’s because I want to do the best setup I can. And if I can’t finish it, I want it to be left so that somebody else that is smarter and brighter can pick it up and continue from where I’ve left off and improve upon it. That’s the most important rule of engineering, designing something that is an improvement and knowing that somebody will come along and improve it. It’s like that piece of equipment over there that Russ is so fascinated with. The person that built that knows for a fact that it will be improved upon, it will be made better, it will be enhanced, it will be rearranged, it will probably in a 100 years look nothing like what it does right now. Who knows? Maybe it will be the size of this thing but yet you’ll be able to press a button and you’ll have a screen and a keyboard that you interact with.

Skip: yeah, mentally interact.

Kiri: hopefully, if not physically.

Skip: they’ve already developed part of that.

Kiri: yeah, the thought process ones.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it will get to that point.

Kiri: oh yes it will, it will if things don’t get messed up. Now I think the tape is getting close to being at an end.

Skip: yeah I think it is darling.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well thank you very kindly, I appreciate your input.

Kiri: oh no problem at all.

Shane: thank you for answering my questions.

Kiri: you’re welcome but remember, don’t get frustrated because you can’t have that ability to access your past life in engineering. But remember also that when you look at something and you fix it better than it was, guess what you’ve just done?

Skip: yeah, you’re right. I just get a little frustrated because….

Kiri: you want to be able to sit down and design that damn warp core engine.

Skip: yes I do.

Shane: must be pretty nice there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yes I do.

Kiri: you want to be able to bend and fold space.

Skip: yes I do. I’ve been thinking about that a lot.

Kiri: all in good time, all in good time.

Skip: not in my lifetime.

Kiri: not in this lifetime.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: but remember, to me, a 100 years as I’m only 64 of your Earth years.

Skip: you’re the same age as I am.

Kiri: uh-huh, I’m a youngster. If you were……


THE TAPE ENDS