CRYSTALS, BY THE NUMBERS 04/02/96
Archivist Notes: This
new podcst comes from a 1996
session where it was a night off from the normal scheduled lessons
and the floor was open to anything that came up. In
this case, crystals and their uses
took up a large portion of our chat
with Omal and a
wide variety of subjects to explore with the three other
dwells briefly on programming
for dream travel
before getting into a
discussion of recipes
someone whose root
race were descended
off to Karra,
of Mars to the
one of Earth.
she helps Johnny
speed up the
healing of his
leg recently inured
tips. She wraps
up her chat
we had been
and how best
to make that
comes along to
get the rest
of side one done
U.S. and world
side two with
and many of the
that of just
lighting a crystal
was brought up
and how a
find that a
come up next
ponder what is
wisdom and who
is wise. He
winds up with
for a possible
Kiri is the
and she takes
Omal left off
and expands it
She gives us the
is a step on
the road to
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(Tia gets side one started.)
Tia: I’m going to sit over here.......yes?
Russ: okay, I’ll take the pyramid then.
Tia: okay, you can sit in a nice friendly…..hmmmm.
Russ: pull that cord a bit more.
John: hold on, hold on.
Tia: nice and friendly, nice and cozy.
Tia: okay, you got questions?
Russ: working on astral projection.
Tia: oh, as you were discussing with Carrie in dream travel?
(One of our former guests we were still contacting.)
Russ: yeah, what is all that?
Tia: dream travel is what you do in your dreams.
Russ: not according to Carrie I don’t believe.
Tia: okay, what did Carrie say fully because we weren’t…
Russ: well she didn’t say anything about how to do it.
Russ: she just said she used to do it.
Russ: well if it is in your dreams, what do you do, program
your dreams to go somewhere?
Tia: kind of, it’s a subconscious programming.
Russ: well how do you do it?
Tia: I don’t, I astral travel.
Russ: how do you go into her dreams?
Tia: how do I go into her dreams?
Tia: well I go in through the brain waves that are given
Russ: so you astral travel over to her bedroom....
Russ: and then you hook up with her
Russ: then what happens?
Tia: I alter the brain waves.
John: that’s a technique that was recommended by me, that’s
a technique I inquired about because of you know using that
technique as opposed to a conventional….
John: astral projection technique.
John: and for different people, you know it’s viable, I mean
I know it’s been done.
Tia: different strokes for different folks or something like
that. What you're doing is you’re programming your sleep
before you go right?
Tia: you have an overwhelming urge to be somewhere. It’s not
as effective as going into a trance like state and then
Russ: uh-huh, well I’m still working on the trance like
state, that’s my other question.
Tia: yeah, carry on working on it, simple as that.
Russ: okay but the thing is, I’m still working on conscious
Tia: uh-huh, it’s far better.
Russ: but I can’t quite get the trance astral traveling
Tia: well carry on working on it, you can use the techniques
that you learn along the way but as I’ve always said,
experimentation. You seem to be one of those stubborn
individuals that won’t let go of his physical body.
Russ: yeah well, that's how it works sometimes.
Tia: well, healers are all the same.
Russ: and I’m always self-monitoring my own systems you
Russ: and I can’t break free of that monitoring system to
let it go.
Tia: oh I understand, I understand. Rome wasn’t burnt in a
Russ: hmm, so anyway, I’m working with Karra right now on
some various techniques.
Tia: I know, she’s got her eyes closed, it’s normally a sign
that she's in communication with somebody. So did you like
the chicken for dinner tonight?
Russ: chicken of the sea? Quite delicious.
Tia: uh-huh, that was my idea to say that it was chicken.
Russ: what did you guys have for dinner?
Russ: what’d you have for dinner?
Russ: sorry I missed it.
Tia: stop lying through your teeth. (Ed. note: I don’t eat
Russ: oh no, I’m sorry I missed it, it must have been
Tia: oh it was, I beat it for about half an hour. I have a
mallet for beating it, tenderize it.
John: uh-huh, what kind of meat, what kind of animal did it
Tia: it came from kind of a deer type thing.
John: ahh, excellent.
Tia: uh-huh. Beat the living daylights out of it and then
quickly put it on a grill for 30 seconds each side and then
served. (Tia and the Cubs are Durondedunn and so are
descended from cats.)
Tia: what’s so funny?
John: well you’re talking about a really tenderized, very
rare piece of meat.
John: I didn't……well I just found it amusing. We had fruits
du mer tonight.
Tia: uh-huh, fruits of the sea.
John: yes, oh you do speak a little French huh?
Tia: no, I just happen to have the translation on the
John: oh, why did you happen to have a translation? It’s the
first time it’s come up.
Tia: it’s communication.
Russ: Erica could be speaking in Spanish and she would
understand what she was saying.
Russ: might come in handy.
Tia: uh-huh. Depends if it’s on a wide mode or if like when
we use it on the computers it’s on a narrow mode.
Tia: that is why Kiri the other night when you were talking
to her was having difficulty talking to you working on the
computer at the same time. (Kiri was working through Mark's
body here on the 3rd dimension while he was on the Base.)
Russ: she was on the I-mode?
Tia: uh-huh, she was focused. This is on, the one I have on
at the moment, has it on the wide beam. Which means that I
can hear the dog out there going “woof, woof” and if I was
down there I would jump over, gut it, skin it and barbecue
John: got any good recipes for dog? They might come in
Tia: barbecued dog’s pretty good. You marinate it first……
Tia: in a red vinaigrette……
Tia: with chian and…..looking for a translation for that,
can’t think of what it is. It’s saying Rosemary up here but
the picture it’s projecting doesn’t quite jive. I suppose
that’s close enough.
Tia: uh-huh. Oh, chian is Rosemary, what’s the other one?
Let me have a look down through there…..Parsley.
John: oh, interesting.
Tia: it’s kind of a Parsley, minty type thing.
John: all right.
John: sounds like a good vinaigrette.
Tia: yeah very simple, very basic, really tenderizes and
takes away the earthy flavor of the canine a little bit. And
Kiri’s going…(Makes a face.)
Russ: I would too, sick producing thought.
Tia: well it’s really nice if you leave the skin on the head
and leave the head attached as well. Kind of….
John: sounds similar to what you do to a roast pig.
John: very similar.
Tia: yeah, put the head down flat and stick I suppose you’d
say a peach in its mouth?
John: oh, okay yeah, usually use an apple.
Tia: ahhh, we prefer something nice and soft.
John: oh okay.
John: and there’s other types of animals I can use your
Tia: yeah, all sorts of things. It’s a real basic
John: I’m just worried about missing dogs in the
neighborhood now, me running around with my toolkit.
Tia: if you do, let me know and I’ll help you. (Continuing
Russ: yeah me and Kiri had a lot of good discussions this
evening. Who’s on tonight anyway darling?
Tia: we have Omal, we have Karra, we have Kiri and we have a
nymphomaniac that is trying to pick up on Kiri. She says she
is going to leave in a few minutes because she’s getting
nowhere with Kiri. I know why, I’m not telling.
Russ: Kiri’s that time of month?
Tia: shhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody heard that.
John: yeah, it’s a full moon.
Russ: oh yeah that’s right.
Tia: yes, it’s a full moon.
Russ: but it’s our moon you see.
John: what’s that?
Russ: it’s our moon, it’s not Mar's moon.
Tia: that’s right. We have to two moons.
John: do they affect the female’s menstrual period like our
moon does here?
Tia: no, they don’t have the gravitational mass to do that.
Both of them equal about a quarter of your moon.
John: is it a full moon for us tonight?
Tia: I believe so.
John: I believe so too.
Tia: you’d have to ask the Celt, he would know. (Mark.)
John: yeah, I took a look at it, it looked pretty full. Very
intense first moon of spring for us, very lovely now.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes it is, it’s just past the equinox as well.
John: yes, yeah, yeah. It’s the first moon after the
John: very intensely bright.
Tia: well it’s close to the earth I believe.
John: isn’t it at one of its closest points to the earth
Tia: I believe so.
John: I believe so also.
Tia: uh-huh. I’m not going to do an Omal and take you out
there and go, “over there, over there, over there.”
John: oh I know where it is, I was checking it out, that’s
why I was asking about it.
Tia: yeah but I’m poking fun at Omal when he gave Russ a
guided tour of……
John: oh the comet?
Tia: of the night sky. Oh it was a long time ago.
John: oh, oh okay, a different nighttime tour.
Tia: yeah, involving a camping trip……
John: oh okay.
Tia: and Omal being extra smart as always.
John: well when we go camping, we'll have a star chart
printed out you know on Russ’ computer before we go out.
John: and that way we can check everything out.
Tia: okay, I guess you don’t have any more questions for me.
John: not right now, maybe later.
Tia: okay, now I lay my head down to sleep.
(Karra comes on after Tia.)
Russ: good morning my love.
Karra: morning? Hello Johnny. Well it’s morning somewhere
on your planet.
Russ: this is true, this is true.
Karra: okay, hold on a second, I’m going to take this thing
off. It doesn’t work for me.
Russ: the headset?
Karra: yeah. That’s better. Okay, now then, injuries related
John: ahh yeah, uh-huh, I had one.
Karra: uh-huh, so I see. Yes, you got it
right there and right on the side there looks like where
part of the damage is and you've got just up across
there…..hmm well what I suggest is, letting it
grow strong to start off with, getting it manipulated and
getting the healing process going which I believe according
to Tia who’s whispering in my ear, just as well I took the
the headset off, you’re getting taken care of.
John: it is healing quickly.
John: and I’m.....got an appointment with a therapist on
Karra: masseuse or….
John: massage yeah.
John: massage therapy.
Karra: okay, uh-huh.
John: very reputable therapist.
Karra: okay so I won’t tamper with anything.
Russ: what about physical therapy Johnny?
John: I’m going to go to this massage therapist first and
then we’ll go from there.
Karra: uh-huh, I can give you some exercises next
week to do.
John: yeah, I’ll be ready to do them next week.
Karra: okay that’s good. We’ll give you some of those to do.
John: I’ve started doing some exercises today and it has
Karra: yeah or they will.
John: you know I was told to keep it mobile if I wanted it
to heal fast but not to overdo it and that’s the only thing
I’m worried about is overextending myself at this point.
Karra: yeah if you feel pain you stop, simple as that.
John: ah yeah, I figured that one out real quick.
John: but I finally got to the point where I can stand up
Karra: uh-huh, oh that’s good.
John: and I’m making progress on a daily basis and I do heal
John: yeah, yeah it’s a good prognosis on it I think.
Karra: uh-huh yes, it is a good prognosis. Now what
transpired when you had the mishap?
John: it was so stupid, it was one of those silly things. If
I would had just been skiing, it would have never happened.
John: but I was skiing with some other people and I was
giving this girl some tips, skiing tips, she was having a
John: and I was trying to build up her confidence and I lost
my concentration, got into the pasty %&^$% on the edge……
Karra: oh yeah.
John: and my skis just froze up and I twisted funny and in
turn pulled the muscle that connects my leg to my hip and
that in turn has affected my sciatic nerve and all the other
muscles in my leg.
John: but it’s healing fast.
John: and I expect to be back to work next week.
Karra: oh that’s good.
John: I’ll be going in on the Cat, I’ll be well enough to
work but not well enough to ski. And I assured ski patrol
that I wouldn’t ski until I was ready.
Karra: I have a question from Tia, you have cats that
you can ride?
John: oh it’s an expression, it’s a snow cat and it’s a
vehicle that we use at the ski resorts.
John: and that is an option if you’re like me, unable to ski
to work and you want to work, you can catch the Cat.
That’s what we call it, it’s a name, catch
the Cat in the morning.
Karra: is it an abbreviation of something?
John: yeah, for Caterpillar actually.
Karra: ahh, Caterpillar okay.
John: yeah and that describes kind of……are you familiar with
caterpillars, the insects?
John: well these machines are what you know are named after
the insect and in short we call them Cats.
Karra: yeah I’m just projecting a picture at Tia of a
caterpillar and she is in hysterics.
John: well it’s you know it’s made for going up steep slopes
covered with snow and they use it for other things too.
Karra: yeah, I believe they use them for grooming.
John: yeah they use them for grooming, they use them for
skinning logs, all different types of things.
Karra: oh yes, there seems to be a lot of possibilities for
them. Uh-huh so, healing questions?
Russ: now how weak will be Johnny’s knee from now on? Is it
a permanent weakness that he will always have to pay
attention to or is...?
Karra: it depends on how well the recovery process is done.
By doing the correct exercising it after it’s healed, you
can build up the strength and even make it stronger than it
once was. But it is a continuing process that once you start
the strengthening process, you have to continue and if you
want to stop, you have to taper off slowly.
John: well actually it has nothing to do with my knee, my
knee's fine, I was checked out.
Karra: yeah, it’s the whole entire leg. When you’re building
up the muscles and everything, if you stop cold, what
happens is that they’re no longer used as much as they
should be and it turns to what you might say flab?
John: yeah, yeah.
Karra: so you have to taper off slowly back down so that……
John: now so should I take calcium for the inflammation?
John: and what else would you recommend? Vitamin C, calcium,
Karra: calcium, vitamin
C, probably some vitamin A, you
might also want……
John: what do you think about just using a multiple vitamin
and supplementing it with calcium and vitamin C? Would that
Karra: what you could probably do is go with a multi-formula
milk and orange juice. A little bit more expensive but if
that’s the way you want to go, you’d be getting much higher
concentrations in the blood system instead of popping you
know 1,000 or 500 milligrams.
John: milligrams yeah.
Karra: yeah. Because the body will only absorb so much but
by drinking the milk formula and thank you Russ….also another name
for it leche, it will give you a higher yield
and do more for the body just in concentrating on the
calcium building up and strengthening the bones…...
John: I’m not a big milk drinker, it’s not one of my
Karra: well you can always go for the oral tablet form.
John: yeah I think I’m going to go that route.
Russ: I have some in the cupboard in there.
Karra: or you can go for the other option, you can always
take a shot in the sit upon.
John: what’s this?
Karra: you could always have a shot of multivitamins in the
in the sit upon but you won’t be able to sit down for a
can do that.
John: oh yeah, yeah. I don’t think I want to go that route,
that’s not necessary. I don’t think so.
Karra: well it would make things feel very comfortable for
Karra: you’ll have to excuse my little bit of cynicism and
Russ: hmm now the self-healing properties of the human body
is obviously demonstratable but I mean they weaken
as I remember as you get older.
Russ: now how do you maintain their……
Karra: by physical exercise and by staying healthy, keeping
a nutritional level in a good balance, being active, those
are the main things. Being active, eating well and not doing
anything that is harmful but I can’t think of anybody on
your planet that doesn’t do one thing that is harmful.
Russ: hmmm, breathe?
Karra: depends where you live.
John: what about using ice on this stage of this healing
process? I was told to use ice immediately and I ran into a
little problem with ice.
Karra: well there’s lots of ice around.
John: oh yeah, yeah but……
Karra: oh, getting to it.
John: I just couldn’t get to it.
John: couldn’t seem to get anyone to buy any or make any so
I ended up making some today.
Karra: oh that’s good.
John: but I’m going to be using ice packs.
Karra: yeah, uh-huh.
Karra: you need to retrieve those as well, that’s your
Russ: retrieve what?
John: oh those ice packs from David’s, they'd be perfect for
Russ: alright, so anyway darlin’, on to other matters.
Karra: yeah okay.
Russ: okay about what you and I have been working on all
Russ: the mental controls.
Karra: yes, for the benefit of the recording device and
posterity and prostate, please explain.
Russ: alright yeah, Karra and I have been working on a
meditation technique for both during astral travel and for
waking periods for calming technique of called two into one.
Which normally I’d go like a mantra, sort of like one, two,
Russ: and I'm going more like a two into one.
Russ: which is a little bit more deeper because of you think
of me and you merging as one.
Karra: that’s right, me and you, two in one, one in two, me
and you, you in one, me and you, one in two.
Karra: put it in that way, it sounds easier.
Russ: okay. Okay, now since we’re on the subject…
Russ: where do we take it from there then?
Karra: slowly, we have to set up the pathways that become
habit and that is the first step as in your discussion
earlier on, the fact that Mark has many, many more years
experience then you do…
Karra: whilst you were still chasing around being 12 years
old having fun, Mark was learning how to astral travel
Russ: right. Okay, so anyway…..
Russ: now then, so since I'm starting out on this then and
we’re going to work on it slowly.....
Russ: the two into one, which should be used as a
connecting point between you and I?
Russ: okay. So it’s sort of like a key.
Russ: all right. Now one thing I noticed is that I can never
into what you’re thinking or what you’re doing I should say.
Russ: like a vision of what you’re doing sort of like that
yet you can hook into me.
Russ: just a difference in the dimensions, Is that what the
Karra: partly and heightened awareness. You have to
remember, I do have a lot more time on my hands then you do.
I mean experience timewise.
Russ: right, yeah.
Karra: here’s a trick to do that.
Karra: okay, clear your mind.
Karra: clear your mind.
Russ: I'm working on it, hold on a second, I’m not as fast
Karra: Okay, let’s try again. Okay now,
concentrate……..visualize me. Okay now, think on where I
will take a bit of practice I think.
Karra: that was very hazy.
Russ: well still it's a work out.
Karra: and besides, my outfit isn’t that color.
Russ: well you know I’m using my imagination too….
Karra: yeah I know.
Russ: to get to that point so....
Karra: I know.
Russ: all right, so I'll start practicing on that.
Karra: yeah, you should be able to do it very carefully and
Russ: okay so it’s pretty much the same thing we’re talking
about for the last few weeks about the merging process.
Karra: yeah, uh-huh.
Karra: yeah. Okay, any more questions?
John: not right now.
Karra: okay, I suppose I……..I could sit here and chat for a
few whilst I do my nails.
Russ: what are the other girls doing right now?
Karra: well Kiri is looking rather strangely at Tia and Tia
is bending over touching her toes.
John: okay. (Chuckles)
Russ: I had to ask.
Karra: you asked.
I’ll see you guys later.
Russ: bye Karra.
Karra: bye and good work so far Johnny.
John: ahh thank you.
Karra: keep it up.
(Tia finishes up side one.)
Russ: hi Tia.
That expression on your face Russ.
Russ: oh no, I was just reminding myself that it's nice to
have the night off for a change and I’m wondering about doing too
much work is not helpful.
Tia: oh, I thought you might be thinking about my
Russ: oh no, no, no, no. I assume that you had a great
reason for that.
Tia: uh-huh, actually I was teasing Kiri.
on a mental picture there yeah, cool.
Tia: uh-huh, okay.
Russ: so how’s our stock market doing? I haven't been
Tia: it’s climbing at the moment, one day it’s been
slow, the next day it’s climbing quickly and so on but I’m
Tia: in what is going on with this Dole
Russ: Dole thingy?
John: yeah, he’s running for president.
Tia: uh-huh but I wouldn’t say that it’s over and done yet.
Things might surprise you but there again they might not.
But you know I was trying to figure out why people like
Dole. I mean you know, maybe it’s because they like a mean
old man to look after their money.
John: well he’s got a lot of experience in the Senate.
John: a lot of our population is Republican.
John: and he's a good speaker.
John: you know?
Tia: he's eloquent and so on, yeah.
John: yeah, yeah.
Tia: and I was also trying to figure out you know why Mr.
Gingrich has a fascination
with zoo animals.
John: I have no idea, that’s between him and the animals.
Tia: yeah, and also why he got upset about Air Force One and
then I figured it out you know.
Tia: you know the press, they’re like a bunch of zoo
animals, aren’t they?
Tia: and his fascination with zoo animals and when he was on
Air Force One, they wouldn’t let him get off the front of
the plane with all the press reporters which he looks upon
as zoo animals, there you have it you see.
Russ: so he didn’t want to get off at the front of the
Tia: no, he wanted to. That’s why he was upset, because he
didn’t get to see the zoo.
Russ: you think of this stuff all by yourself you have like
a computer help you out with it?
Tia: I think of it all myself, I’ve got a whole list of
things, half of them wouldn't amuse you because it loses
something in the translation.
Russ: well that's funny though, sounds like you’re
all of a sudden you're downing Dole for a change?
Tia: did I say I was downing Dole?
Russ: well you said why would people be interested in voting
for him or....
John: I think the key to this election, and it’s going to be
pretty much the way it has been for years, Democrats and
Republicans. You know the smaller
independents and stuff aren’t going to have much of an
impact either way but Dole’s running mate for vice president
I think it’s going to be the critical key, especially with
John: when you have a president with the you know the
political experience that he’s got, the vice president and
with him being old….
Tia: is going to play quite a role.
John: is going to be a very important role.
John: and I do believe that will be the determining factor.
Tia: well the thing that interests me is Buchanan
Tia: and his comment that he made recently about “there are
no place for racists or bigots in his campaign organization, all
those spots were filled long ago.”
Russ: he said that? Oh, you’re joking.
Tia: I’m joking.
Russ: you’re joking, that's what I thought.
John: yeah there’s only a small percentage of people that
Tia: uh-huh. Hey, I was making a funny.
John: he’d never make it.
Russ: well the thing is is like, nobody likes change.
Russ: especially dramatic change and Dole represents that.
Russ: and with Clinton, you’ve got a set package. You’ve got
a known factor with Clinton, you’ve have a known factor with
his vice president, Al Gore.
Tia: oh, the medical assistant.
John: yeah, Gore
Tia: yeah, Al Gore…..”Greetings master.”
John: personally, I like Al Gore, I like what he stands for, he’s
done a lot for the environment.
Tia: he’s done a lot for the medical profession as well.
John: and I don’t know anything about that.
John: yeah, it’s a joke. I thought it was a joke, I wasn’t
Tia: sorry, I’m in one of those moods.
Russ: okay, well that’s all I had darling.
Tia: is that all you have?
Tia: oh, the tape should almost be ready to
be turned over actually.
Russ: it’s got a minute.
John: yeah, it’s got a few minutes on it left.
Tia: yeah, we’ll use up this side before we put Omal on
because you know how much Omal hates having to repeat
be interrupted? Yeah…..
Tia: uh-huh, he does that pretty good actually.
John: how about elsewhere around the planet?
let me see...
John: let’s concentrate on some of
Russ: how about Chechnya.
Tia: Chechnya, there’s a promise of peace there temporarily
Russ: it’s only to help out Yeltsin’s campaign
Tia: yeah, that’s what I mean, temporarily. However there is
something I am very interested in at the moment....
taking place in Montana.
Russ: oh, the Montana
John: very powerful group.
Tia: uh-huh and remember what I said a while back.
Russ: yeah but there is only 10 of them though.
Tia: there’s only 10 of them there.
Russ: 10 of them there.
John: yeah, right.
Tia: but my estimate is that there is probably somewhere
between 600 to a 1,000, what’s that? That’s a regiment to
Tia: that’s quite a lot of people and they're heavily armed.
but actually, that is something to watch. Now getting back
Tia: there will be a lull however, the other concern that I
have is Bosnia.
Tia: and the possibility of a nervous population due to war
Russ: the dug up graves they’re going through?
Tia: uh-huh. Remember what I said back before the start of
winter about that?
Russ: not really.
Russ: vaguely, no not even vaguely, not at all.
Tia: never mind, never mind, we’ll go over that
again at a later time. Yeah, I suppose now is just as good a
time as any, thank you very much Kiri. Okay, what’s been
going on, let me see. Well, with the spring melt going on
there, things are becoming accessible but the problem that
they’re going to have with some of the graves is, are they
just mass graves because of a lot of people dying of various
battle damage and so on, which they will be able to
Russ: yeah but you’re looking at 6,000 Muslims who were all
shot getting away from Srebrenica.
Tia: yeah but the question is, were they shot…...were some
of them combat soldiers and were some of them civilians? It
depends on what state the clothe's in and how preserved the
bodies are. You have to remember that the area is a very
John: well wouldn't the cold preserve them?
Tia: yes to a certain extent but by preserving them, are
they a year old, two years or three years?
Russ: well I suppose.
Tia: so it’s going to be very hard. Now the question is, who
was responsible for giving the orders?
Tia: are the people that pulled the trigger responsible or
are the people that gave the orders responsible? You have to
excuse me butchering the English language.
Russ: well that’s all right love. Well what relevance does
this play in the world affairs?
Tia: well, okay so they find that there is a lot of genocide
being practiced in that area.
Tia: so, somebody says “well, we have to stay longer.” Which
breaks a promise of a year only. Now if they pull out on
time or say that they’re going to pull out on time, then the
other peacekeepers may decide that they’re going to pull out
at the same time as well and the whole entire peace
secondly, IRA, it’s a very good investment.
Russ: oh sure, if you have the money for it.
Tia: actually in seriousness, the IRA. Okay, do you know
what this year is in fact next week is?
Russ: year anniversary of the peace accord?
Tia: no, it’s the 80th anniversary of the current situation, the
uprising of 1916, Easter 1916. Could be significant.
are a few that are still alive that remember it. It’s going
to be a very strong and emotional time for them so
therefore it could be quite harmful for them.
Russ: hmm, well yeah but they go through this every 10
years. What happens every 10 years?
Tia: hmm, there is an increase but this is a big one.
Russ: because there is peace right now.
Tia: yeah and also the fact that there are fewer and fewer
people that remember the uprising left alive.
Russ: right, see, I don’t even know anything
about the uprising.
Tia: in 1916?
Russ: never heard of it. This is the first time I’ve been
told about it.
Tia: oh really?
Tia: ask Mark about it.
Russ: I figured it had been going on for hundreds of years.
Tia: oh it has. I said the current situation.
Russ: well what happened?
Tia: well basically a whole load of anti-imperialistic
people rose up against the British government. The British
government put it down and were very harsh and cruel about
it. Several regiments of troops were sent which couldn’t be
spared at the time because what was going on?
Russ: 1916 was World War One.
Tia: that’s right and also it caused a lot of bad…
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Tia quickly wraps up what she was saying.)
Tia: you see, the IRA in situations of war will as a rule
back off when the common good is threatened.
Tia: for example, during the second world, it was seen that
Hitler could use Ireland as a backdoor to get in because of
the feeling of distrust between Great Britain and Ireland.
Tia: never happened. Some Irish POW's were approached by
Gestapo, SS and propaganda people to come and help. The
majority of them said no, one or two did and were very
clever about it, used it as a way of getting information out
by prearranged codes to the rest the world.
Russ: oh, I didn’t know that.
Tia: uh-huh and a few were actually serious about betraying
their country. Okay…..
Russ: hmm, thank you, very interesting lessons.
Tia: uh-huh. Well when you do research on the past, present
and future predictions, you have to do a lot of research on
Russ: true, hmmm.
(Omal comes on for his section of the
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us continue. I believe gentlemen, you have
both done your five press ups.
Russ: oh yeah.
John: oh yeah, we both did them.
John: Mark was a witness.
Russ: yeah no slacking off on my part this time.
Omal: otherwise you know what the price would be.
John: and I can’t do push-ups this week so I’m not going to
ask no goofy questions.
Omal: okay and I think I trapped both of you very well.
Russ: yes, I have to agree and that was.....
John: but it was worth it for the information we got.
John: it was worth it for me.
Omal: but it was part of the learning process and what did
we learn from that?
Russ: not to ask any more questions.
John: when you say it's time for the last question, to ask
one last question.
Omal: that is correct. I will sometimes occasionally bend
the rules slightly but that is normally for a good and just
Omal: okay, now serious, questions.
Russ: okay, working with crystals.
Russ: we’ve talked about how crystals are able to amplify
the body’s energy field…..
Russ: and you're able to use that to the effect of either
using it as a focusing tool.....
Russ: or as a place to store information.
Omal: uh-huh or a place to expel energy from.
Russ: right, to draw energy.
Omal: no, expel energy, laser.
Russ: oh yeah, okay alright so you store and expel right?
Russ: okay. Now, what other purposes can we be looking for
in the way of using of crystals?
Omal: well one is, for the obvious purpose of looking nice.
The second possibility is for protection. The third
possibility is for access to information, not just storing,
but access. The fourth possibility of usage is for
experimentation. The sixth one is for lighting, the
reflective abilities of crystals.
John: how about healing?
Omal: yes healing, that is number seven. Number eight is
using for decoration. Nine is for the potential as a……I
suppose that would come under number two. Okay, is that
enough for the time being?
Russ: that’s enough for the time being to work with.
Russ: okay, let’s start working with first off, protection.
Russ: and a more definitive…..
Omal: yes, laser, firing pulses of energy.
Russ: okay now in theory it sounds all good but in actual
practice, what is the basic principle, what is the basic
Omal: it is as used in a meta-concert..........one crystal,
energy crystal as it happens.
Omal: fully charged I believe.
Russ: it is.
Omal: which is unusual for Mark. Like one of your Star
Trekian devices, laser, aim, expel energy.
Russ: and to what purpose? What is the effect that you get?
Russ: okay what is……I mean, what is the effect on the person
that you expelling energy on? How does it affect their
Omal: it disrupts their energy pattern. It can either be
used in a firing motion or a sucking motion to collect their
energy to weaken them.
Russ: does it matter what kind of crystal you use for that?
Omal: yes it does actually, laser crystal is always handy
for that. Energy crystal is good if it is charged low to
suck the energy with or if it is fully charged to disrupt
but not to cause damage. A laser crystal will cause damage,
a little bit of burning maybe, heating of the skin.
Russ: now with the energy crystal fully charged, let’s say
you use it to disrupt the energy and then suck it back in.
Omal: uh-huh, no, you can’t do that, you cannot suck in
energy once it’s been used.
Russ: oh okay. All right and now what is the purposes on the
laser crystal is only for in self-defense?
Omal: crystals are used as a rule in self-defense, even in
an offensive mode, it is self-defense.
Omal: say this is a a laser crystal, somebody is attacking
you, what are you using it for? To defend yourself with,
even though you are now by using it in attacking them, it is
still a defensive maneuver.
Russ: uh-huh. Now the question I have is, how can you
practice using this without actually causing any harm?
Omal: you select an inanimate object. How do you learn to
hit a target without shooting somebody?
Russ: I didn’t realize that but I mean when you want to see
that there is an effect that you were…..
Omal: trust me, there is an effect.
Russ: I’ll trust you.
John: yeah I found a crystal a lady friend gave to me some
time ago, can you look at this through Mark? I’m using it
for healing purposes, it’s amethyst.
Omal: uh-huh, of course a healing crystal. You might want to
push it out in the moonlight tonight.
John: oh okay.
Omal: it has been used a lot at the moment and therefore is
John: oh okay, do I have to do anything else?
Omal: that should suffice at this time.
John: all right, thank you.
Omal: once you have healed, you might want to cleanse it.
Omal: uh-huh and then recharge it on the next available full
Omal: you might through the cycle of….it is, your leg is
healed, you put it out, you cleanse it and the following
night is a full moon. That might be the best way to go so
that would give you approximately…
John: one month.
Omal: 29 days.
John: yeah, yeah well that’s approximately one month.
John: okay, thank you.
Omal: next question.
John: I wasn’t expecting to ask a bunch of crystals on
Omal: is deep in thought.
John: got anything? I'm kind of refocusing.....
Russ: yeah okay, you mentioned lighting purposes. Now this
is putting the crystal in front a lightbulb or something?
Omal: or sitting it on top of a lightbulb in a stand.
Russ: like the one I’ve got over there?
Omal: correct, it looks nice.
Russ: and it diffuses the light?
Russ: okay. Because for some reason I’m thinking that we
could use it for, I don’t know, that doesn't work.
Omal: illuminating the source being amplified like a strip
Omal: not yet, you do not possess the ability or the gift to
Omal: occasionally Mark will make crystals glow but I
believe that drains him quite dramatically.
Russ: right, hmm. Now what causes the crystals to glow? Is
this the same force that when you strike crystals with a
rock or what they used to do.....like the Indians used to
do, bang on crystals to create the spark within?
Russ: now to getting them glowing, is that then the energy
that’s being expended into them creates a electromagnetic
Omal: psychokinetic charge.
Russ: ahh, and they respond to that?
Russ: okay, now what about in the way of electromagnetic
Omal: electromagnetic charges do not work as efficiently and
as soon as the source is removed, they automatically switch
off like that. Psychokinetic charges will fade away slower.
Russ: okay, I was just thinking electromagnetic can be
maintained through mechanical means indefinitely.
Russ: as long as you keep a power supply on.
Omal: yes but it requires a much higher level of power due
to the fact that it is an artificial source whereas a
natural source will not require as much.
Omal: because it is a higher level of energy.
Russ: what happens to the energy levels of crystals when you
apply that electromagnetic charge?
Omal: it is drained.
Russ: the crystal's drained?
Russ: oh, that wouldn't work then. Well Johnny, I’m hogging
all the questions, go ahead there buddy.
John: these channeling crystals….
John: that I got. Should I set those in the moonlight
Omal: yes, that would be handy.
John: okay, and how long should I put all these crystals in
Omal: all night.
John: all night?
Omal: all night.
John: and then retrieve them in the morning?
John: and we do have the power being third dimensional
vehicles to illuminate crystals with our minds.
Omal: yes you do, it just requires a lot of patience to
practice how to do it and how to do it repeatedly.
John: but it is something, it is within our grasp to master
Omal: yes it is.
John: is it useful?
Omal: if you have lack of lighting it may be useful.
Russ: what about for training your mind for just a singular
Omal: for a singular purpose? It can be useful for that
however focusing on such a narrow field may be construed by
some to be a waste. By others, it may be a necessary
learning tool. It is hard to say whether it would benefit
everybody or just a select few individuals, that is up to
John: can you use meta-concert……
John: to illuminate a crystal?
John: so would you recommend doing it through meta-concert
first before you try it individually?
Omal: once you have constructed a successful meta-concert on
a regular basis, then it would be useful to advance to that
level of training. It takes a higher amount of energy to
illuminate a crystal then you would actually realize.
John: well yeah, I can imagine.
Omal: having illuminated a crystal fully, it will take
approximately 10 to 15 minutes for it to go back to a normal
Russ: hmm, how does this change the crystal structurally?
Anything at all?
Omal: nothing at all.
Russ: okay, doesn’t make it any clearer or anything like
Russ: hmm, okay. Now Kiri and I were discussing patience the
Omal: ahhh, I was waiting for this.
Russ: and you, your name happened to come up during the
Omal: uh-huh, so I hear.
Russ: and it was mentioned that you practice patience in the
form of that you take one day as if it was a 100 years.
Russ: you have that kind of patience.
Russ: and because of that, you’re able to take the knowledge
and the patience and combine them for wisdom.
Omal: uh-huh, I have learn’t over the years to cherish each
second for what it is because remember, that second will
never come back. So it is a prized and precious jewel which
is to be shared, enjoyed and relished. Holding it to oneself
is a negative, sharing it is a positive.
Russ: hmmm, okay. So from one who is trying to learn wisdom
to one who has already learned wisdom……
Omal: I do not have wisdom.
Russ: you do not? Oh, Kiri called you very wise.
Omal: she is being very flattering.
Russ: ahh. So, Sananda and Ashtar have wisdom.
Omal: correct, in my opinion they do so.
Russ: well how can we as three-dimensional beings being
shooting for goals that have been reached by Ashtar and
Sananda and not by you?
Omal: umm, it is a tricky situation, tricky to explain. Kiri
in her perception is correct on me. But in my perception, I
am not wise.
John: are you becoming wiser?
Omal: I wish to be wiser.
John: you wish to be wiser?
Omal: whether or not I will achieve it is up to me but by
the perception that Kiri has is that I am wise. To her maybe
I am wise but to myself I do not see myself as wise. Ashtar
and Sananda most certainly are wise by my…..
Russ: would they call themselves wise?
Omal: I cannot speak for them.
Russ: I know but I’m thinking, is wisdom a personal
Omal: no, I think it’s more an external perception, how
others perceive you.
Russ: many people see me as wise and I certainly don’t see
myself as wise.
Russ: but yet I’m always called you know, very intelligent,
very wise. Now that’s knowledgeable maybe is the confusion
Omal: I think so, yes also I think it is a perception that
people have of you, whether or not you are wise. Myself
personally, I do not see myself as being wise. The fact that
Kiri said that I am wise, I am very flattered that she
thinks so but then I must deny it unfortunately and Kiri is
John: well since Kiri gave you a nice complement, I’d like
to pass one on to Russ and he is definitely a wise ass.
(Laughter breaks out.)
Omal: that is another useful terminology.
John: ahh don’t you think my words were quite correct for
our friend here?
Omal: I would not like to speculate on whether or not he is
a wise ass or a wise fool.
John: well yeah we’ll leave that up to…….
Russ: I’ll take wisdom anyway I can get it okay guys?
Omal: okay, last question Russ?
Russ: okay, in dealing with future and the preparations
Omal: ahhh, I’ve been expecting this question.
Russ: yes. Is it something we will feel regretful that we
did not take the time and effort and money to stock up on
certain things instead of going to more frivolous matters?
Omal: let me ask you a question, what is frivolous? Do not
answer that question.
Omal: I will elaborate. Is friendship frivolous? Is
something that will never happen again frivolous? Is
preparing for something frivolous? Is getting ready for
trouble frivolous? I cannot answer the question for you, I
cannot guide you, that you must decide for yourself but is
friendship frivolous, Is preparation frivolous? Johnny, last
John: well with the preparations ahead, I don’t think
anything you can do is going to be frivolous but there’s a
lot of third dimensional people who just totally disagree
with the whole concept that.....and what we're preparing
John: and I don’t know, it seems like I have been planning
my whole life for this so I don’t know, I’m just going to
keep on preparing. Do you think that would be wise?
Omal: yes, but it is hard to define the correct procedure
for the preparation. What may work for one person may not
work for another. Some people may be overly prepared which
is in itself is an impossibility and some people may be not
prepared enough. The correct answer is within you, within
both of you and everyone. Thank you very much, have an
enjoyable evening and I am hustling due to the fact that I
do not want to have to dish out five press ups as a
punishment. Live long, prosper and I’ll be back.
back with a heavy sigh.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. Okay, last person.
(Kiri gives us the pleasure of her
company and wisdom.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: hello, greetings.
Russ: good evening my dear, how are you?
Kiri: I’m doing fine, and you?
Russ: I’m doing good.
Kiri: uh-huh, he is wise.
Russ: I agree......
John: who, Omal? yeah.
I personally feel so too but.....
Russ: he says it’s an external perception.
Russ: and if we all three agree that he’s wise, is he wise?
Russ: there’s only three of us, I mean then how much does it
take to make a majority to make a person wise? I don’t know.
Kiri: I think the true wise man does not admit that he is
John: right, exactly. Yeah, I can understand that and what
do you think about Russ being a wise ass?
Russ: I don’t agree that I am wise so therefore I must be
doing something right here right?
Kiri: I’m not getting involved in it.
John: okay yeah, I don’t want to put you in a precarious
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, so where were we? Uh-huh?
Russ: oh I wanted to discuss with you what we were
discussing about the other night.
Kiri: whether two fingers are better than three?
Kiri: okay, now seriously.
Kiri: okay, what we were discussing on Saturday night, wise
men is the perception I think.
Kiri: does that answer your question?
Russ: yeah but at the same time.
Kiri: it leaves it open to further discussion.
Russ: yeah it does but that’s why I want to get into the
discussion part of it. For example, we first discussed off
the acquiring of knowledge…..
Russ: and then adding to that patience.
Russ: okay now, with the acquiring of knowledge, what
establishes knowledge? I mean, I can look at baseball scores
and memorize who’s on what teams and I call that knowledge.
Kiri: yes that is knowledge but knowledge is such a broad
term that it definitely needs a definition on what
constitutes real knowledge…….I think a better way to
elaborate would be, useful knowledge.
Kiri: not trivia.
John: is there such a thing as universal knowledge?
Kiri: that would cover everything such as trivia, useful
knowledge, obsolete knowledge and so on. I think it should
be split into categories of trivia knowledge, useful
knowledge, ancient knowledge, working knowledge, in
fact I could
sit down all night and break it down into so many
subcategories that it would be ridiculous. But definitely
the most important one in my opinion is working knowledge.
Knowledge of vast quantities of information that can be used
in a positive way, not just in a narrow field but can be
applied to other things other than its own original purpose.
For example, you can apply baseball information to only
baseball, it doesn’t translate into anything else.
Kiri: however, engineering knowledge translates into a
myriad of different possibilities. By being able to
understand, theorize and establish a premise, that is much
more useful than to be able to cite that in 1932 that Ruth
hit 60 home runs or was that 27? I don’t know. (Ed. note: It
was 41 including the famous
shot he called in the world series.)
Kiri: but what purpose does it serve? That serves nothing.
But being able to sit down and say that in 1938, a gentleman
by the name of Whitley produced the first fully functional
jet engine that worked efficiently.
Russ: but then knowing the functions of the jet engine and
how he came about it would be also considered quite useful.
Kiri: that’s correct and it does serve a function because
with jet engines, you can progress on to higher level of
engines. Once achieving a scientific level, you can take the
next step up and the next step up and the next step up and
the next step up. For example, piston engine right? No, no lets skip
that, steam engine becomes internal combustion engine
becomes the jet engine in turn becomes the ramjet
followed by the scramjet
in turn followed by spatial travel. You see what I’m saying?
Kiri: whereas baseball stats of Babe Ruth, where do they go?
Russ: right, so that’s the difference between trivial
knowledge and useful knowledge.
Kiri: that’s correct, so it is important to elaborate when
you use wisdom or knowledge and patience to steps towards
wisdom, you have to elaborate on useful knowledge or working
Russ: what about psychic knowledge?
Kiri: psychic knowledge? That is part of the step towards
wisdom certainly but it is not just one type of knowledge
that makes you wise, it is a wide variety of knowledges that
makes you wise. I could be the smartest engineer in four
Kiri: total genius when it comes to it but if I don’t know
that I have to wind up my wrist chronometer every morning,
then it’s useless. If I don’t know that I have to have
patience to achieve a goal or how to operate the computer,
then again, it’s wasted. So to become patient, you have to
have a lot of different types of knowledge to achieve one’s
Russ: to be patient?
Kiri: to be patient, yes.
Kiri: but that is part of the key to our society is being
able to be patient with knowledge is a step on the road to
wisdom. It is taught very extensively in our monastic
society, when somebody takes an oath of monasticism….
Kiri: because we go to those people for information and
help. Take my grandmother for example, whenever I need help
or somebody to talk to, who do I go to? I go to her because
she has access to knowledge I don’t have. By putting herself
in a situation where she steps out of her body basically,
astral travels to a different plane of existence, she can
communicate with people that have gone before and that are
ready to come again to achieve the information that she
Russ: hmmm, now has she been able to do this for a long time
or is this something she's able to do because she’s getting
close to that point herself?
Kiri: I think it’s a little bit of both that she’s been
working on achieving that goal for a long time but she’s
also getting ready for it herself. She’s been a nun now I
believe for about 30 of your years? Maybe a little bit more
but I’m not too sure. So I think it is partly due to the
fact that she has reached a wisdom level or a knowledge
level and she has an inordinate amount of patience but her
life is bound by rituals. For example, you missed a golden
opportunity as I said to learn a lot of information from
her. She would’ve been delighted to have sat patiently and
talk to you for hours on end giving you information if you
had asked the right questions in the right way. How you
would’ve done that would have been that you would’ve sat
down at her feet and called her mother because she is mother
in a way and you sit down to her and you would ask, “mother,
tell me.” And you would pause and wait patiently and she
would look at you and she would go, “what do you wish to
know my son?” A little bit like your society.
Kiri: and you would then explain the situation but you’d
have to be very careful and ritualistic about it. You being
a man would be slightly different from the way that I would
do it. How I would do it would be, I would say, “mother, I
wish to have understanding.” And she would say,
“understanding of what?” And I would say, “understanding of
just a small matter that has concerned me for some time.”
And she would go, “what has concerned you for some time?”
And I would say, “it is whether or not it is appropriate to
open up a particular file?”....but I would name that file
Kiri: and she would go, “why would you want to open up that
file?” And I would say, “I am searching for knowledge, truth
and wisdom.” And then she would ask me what wisdom is. You
see how ritualized it is?
Russ: I don’t think I could do it without goofing up.
Kiri: I think she would understand your…..
Russ: we come from third dimension.
Russ: I mean we don’t deal with the patience yet.
John: but it sounds like the method you use, every question
stimulates a question?
John: is that basically what you’re doing?
Kiri: yes, yes it is because…..
Kiri: the age that she is, is that sometimes she’s not sure
of which world she’s in or which plane of existence, whether
or not she’s on a higher or lower plane.
John: but is that a good learning tool, answering a question
with a question?
John: and continuing back and forth like that?
Kiri: it is something that we as an engineer are taught.
John: oh okay.
Kiri: for example, if I turn this wheel here which is
touching this wheel right, which way will it turn? Will they
both turn in the same direction or will one turn in the
opposite way than the other one.
John: one will turn the opposite way to the other one.
John: well if you're turning one counterclockwise and the
two wheels are touching, the one you’re turning
counterclockwise, the other wheel will turn clockwise. No?
Kiri: no, they turn in the same direction.
John: they turn in the same direction.
Kiri: they’re touching, they push each other around
John: but why? Because of the physical force involved.
Kiri: yes, but why? Why is the physical force involved?
Kiri: why is friction involved?
Russ: because they’re touching.
Kiri: why are they touching?
Russ: I guess because you put them together.
Kiri: but you see what’s happening is that each answer
stimulates the next question.
John: yeah, I understand, that’s interesting.
Kiri: uh-huh which is very important and it’s the same in
our ritualized society when we are asking questions of the
nuns or the priests or the brothers, we ask them a question.
By asking them a question, that makes them go through the
ritual of asking you a question and in turn you both learn
by asking the question and giving the answer. Now finally
you get to the final question of questions and you will say,
“Oh mother, this is the last question that I will ask.” And
she will go, “what is it that you wish my daughter?” And I
will say, “the question that I wish to ask is but of an
insignificant matter.” And she will say the final comment,
“nothing is of insignificance, the most the littlist and so
on…….” That she will say something along the lines of, “the
most littlist of things is of much importance in the
understanding of all. But what is the question?” And then I
ask the question.
well being I won't be talking to your grandmother for a
Kiri: well she’s fine at the moment but she has been ill for
a little while when I last talked to her.
Russ: oh she was?
John: do you mind me asking how old of a woman she is?
Kiri: well she is coming up on her 802nd birthday.
John: yeah, that’s getting up there.
Russ: in 800 years, we won’t look this good.
Kiri: she always looks good though.
Russ: she looked happy.
Kiri: uh-huh, she always looks happy.
Russ: well Johnny, that tape work okay? It’s going okay?
John: oh yeah, no problem there, it’s fine.
Kiri: it should almost be over, should have like 10 minutes
John: yeah, something like that, maybe less.
Kiri: uh-huh. But you see how ritualized our religions
are, you say that we have no religion.
Russ: well I don’t say that, I say there’s no questing.
Kiri: oh there is questing, believe you me, it’s just that I
do not try to inflict that side of my life on you, Johnny or
Russ: but that’s just it though, maybe that’s something we
Kiri: you've never asked me before.
John: is it a Christian religion?
Russ: no but see that’s why I’m asking you now so I can have
understanding, it’s knowledge that I seek.
Russ: this is part of that knowledge.
Kiri: why do you seek the knowledge?
Russ: so I can become wise.
Kiri: what is wise?
Russ: the combination of knowledge and patience.
Kiri: we could get into a cycle here, I could do the mother.
Russ: you could, but since you know what I want to know,
couldn’t it just be well a little less important than it
needs to be?
Kiri: oh, I see.
Russ: so, if not tonight, at some point in the future.
Kiri: you would like me to explain about the religions of
Russ: I would indeed.
Kiri: okay, now I must preface it by saying that I come from
the highlands so it is a mountain religion.
Russ: that’s fine, I will understand that there is
Kiri: yes, there are differences.
Russ: different cultures, I mean we have the same thing down
Russ: but at the same time, yes that adds to my
understanding of what it is that you come from and more
understanding of you darling.
Kiri: oh thank you. Without sounding a little bit conceited
and arrogant, I am more religious than Karra and Karra will
admit to that.
Kiri: it was due to the fact that whilst mother was very
ill, that grandmother used to come and stay for long periods
Russ: and Karra wasn’t there during a lot of that.
Kiri: and I was and she was my surrogate mother. So her
religious views did influence me a lot. The fact that she
came from way out in……..if she was living on your
planet, she would have come from the back country of the
John: oh okay.
Kiri: uh-huh, she is as she always says, she’s just a simple
Kiri: and so therefore her religious views are very, very
deep within her, very ingrained in her mannerisms and have
always been there. Me, being the daughter of Tanaka and
Miranda, it was difficult the two totally different
lifestyles clashing made me what I am whereas Karra is more
like our father.....
Kiri: I’m more like my mother in the fact that my eyes are
big like hers were big in seeing everything new, everything
fascinated her. Whether it was for pleasure or questing for
knowledge, it just fascinated her.
Russ: still does. (Ed note: in the form of Miranda, Karra's
Kiri: yes well we know that but for me it’s the same thing
that we were more like children together if you know what I
Kiri: until she started going off on long trips being an
engineer and I always wanted to be like her. That’s probably
why I became an engineer you know?
Kiri: I think I would’ve become one naturally anyway but the
fact that at an early age I wanted to be an engineer, I used
to break down my little servant robots.
Russ: well I'll bet that upset dad?
Kiri: he used to find it funny actually because I would send
them off to go and get things for me, especially when I was
reaching my middle teens, that was fun. I would send them
off to spy on people.
Russ: I believe it.
Kiri: uh-huh, in fact that’s when I discovered I preferred
women over men actually or the idea was more appealing of
women and women than men and women.
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