(Omal is the next speaker.)
Omal: brings up
something that......greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings and felicitations Omal.
Skip: greetings Omal, I appreciate it.
Omal: greetings Skip, greetings Russ.
Okay it actually brings up a interesting possible
discussion in explanation of any topic. The easiest
way to understand and to improve your level and
learn something new is to explain something to
somebody that does not understand to the point where
they do understand. By breaking it down and breaking
it down and breaking it down so that it becomes
easily understandable for them, you in turn are
learning something and in learning something, you
learn something not only about teaching or about the
individual you are trying to teach but about
yourself. You learn the necessary patient skills
necessary to be able to advance to a higher level
where it is necessary to be patient. As a teacher,
it is very useful to be able to speak in a way that
is easily understandable, not rapidly. How often do
you see us up here with the exception of maybe our
resident 8th/6th dimensional individual (Leonedies)
that thinks on a totally different speed pattern and
has not yet learned to slow down his thought
processes to a level where it is acceptable to you
but as a rule, none of us talk particularly fast.
That is because if we were to talk in our normal
modes, it would be difficult to understand and the
words that are of multiple meanings could be easily
misconstrued in a different way. So is very
important when explaining something, is to break it
down into easy understandable terms. And as I
stated, you learn and the person you are trying to
teach learns. This is very useful for you Russ, not
with your computer individuals but with your
domestic situation. That being able to break down
and break down is something that is very important
to being able to teach and to learn. Whether an
individual totally comprehends depends on how far
you break it down and to break it down
to the barest essence is something that is very
useful. When you break it from a advanced step down
to a very basic level of understanding, it gives you
the opportunity to learn even more about the subject
that you are discussing. One of the problems that I
perceive in many of your teachers is that when they
are explaining, they assume automatically that you
understand what they are talking about. Which is in
actual fact itself a mistake because there are
various different jargons used by various
individuals in respectable fields that they assume
automatically that you understand. Now for example,
getting on to a little bit of a continuing running
joke between Skip and Kiri. If Kiri was to explain
in English how to construct the warp core, the
jargon that she would be using would be totally
incomprehensible to you and to anybody but a highly
trained spatial engineer. So therefore she would
have to break it down into its barest essence
instead of using jargon words that is a concept and
an explanation, she would have to break it down even
further and then probably further again down to a
level that would be understandable for not only
Skip, but for those on the webpage and of course
that is a no-no.
Skip: yeah, right.
Russ: it could never see the light of
Omal: that is correct however, my
comments that I am making in explaining the warp
core and the ongoing joke and the explanation are
very acceptable for your web. So as a learning tool,
it is necessary to be able to break down to a very
easy level. Now Skip, you are also in the same
situation but on a slightly different setup than
Russ is in his domestic arrangements. You have a
young man that is a very potentially bright
individual that has difficulty when jargon is used
but is very inquisitive and has the potential
intelligence there to become very advanced and
capable although his motivation from what I've
witnessed is to use one of your terms, "needed a
swift kick in the behind?"
Skip: no, not really. He's fine, he's
fine, he's just a typical young man.
Omal: okay I misconstrued what you
Skip: no that's quite all right, no,
no, no. He's a typical teenage boy, he's in a very
difficult situation in life right now which is
whether do you play with the toys or you chase the
Omal: that has been a long time for me.
Skip: (laughs) probably has been and
it's been a long time ago for me but I still
Omal: it has been.......nevermind.
Omal: in the same situation that you
have the potential to take this young man and even
though he plays with the toys and chases the young
ladies, he still has the potential there to become
Skip: uh-huh, I'm trying to help him
Omal: yes, very much so. I have watched
when he is been present here on the way that he
interacts and the way that you get him to do the
thought processes. But in explaining, if you break
it down to him as I suggested with Russ to the
simplest forms until he could repeat it back to you
and say "yes I understand, I grasp that." And if he
says "you're treating me like a child", explain to
him saying "I want you to totally understand it and
I'm not going to assume because there is no crime in
asking the question". If you ask the same question a
hundred times, it means that you do not understand
so it is necessary to explain it in more
detail so you do understand. It is not meant as a
insult but it is meant as a tool to help both you
and myself. Okay now having spoken my piece on
education and the tools and needs to be able to
explain to the most simplest form, let us open the
Russ: okay. In
working with Daniel, my Daniel and when he gets to
be that point where he's asking questions and
needing to get answers and I know that's going to
happen, learning the patience to deal with that is
important but at the same time, he is growing up so
fast won't he want to learn as quick as he can?
Skip: can I intercede here?
Omal: yes certainly, I was about to
say. I think you know the answer to that.
Skip: okay, I've raised quite a few
children, not all my own okay? I found that when a
little person and I don't care if they're this tall
or this tall ask a question, give them a direct
answer as simple as possible and don't go into any
detail. And that seems to work better than anything
else. If they want to know details, they'll come
back and ask you.
Omal: exactly, exactly. I was going to
say something a little bit more pompous and
Skip: sorry, I didn't mean to
Omal: no, you've simplified what I was
going to say tremendously.
Skip: okay but it seems to work better
than anything I've run across. They ask you, "well
how come I'm different than a girl?" "Well
because your plumbing's built on the outside and her
plumbing's built on the inside" and let it go.
Omal: you do not elaborate.
Skip: that's it, don't explain any
further. When they want to know further they'll come
Russ: that's handy information, that's
a good little tip.
Skip: that's it.
Omal: as I said, I would've put it much
more long-winded and more pompous.
Skip: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
Omal: no, you've just given the ideal
explanation to my comments on education, you
Skip: right, simplify it as far as you
can and don't elaborate, don't elaborate. Now when
they get into their teens, they'll ask you a
question, you give them an answer and they'll say
"well why is this?", then you start elaborating. But
you're starting out with the simplest possible
answer you can give them.
Russ: makes sense.
Skip: okay? And you still give them the
simplest possible answer you can.
Russ: see I don't remember my growing
up years and what I asked and how I got answered or
Skip: oh I can.
Omal: now to add on to what Skip was
saying is to simplify it and if they want to know
more they will ask more and they will continue to
ask and as they ask, you elaborate more but leave it
always open for the question to follow. I remember,
oh a long time ago when I was not much older than
Skip, this is a very hazy memory and it's possibly a
memory of a memory. I remember asking repeatedly
why, why is that so? Why as an individual does that
happen? Why is the difference between a group
consciousness and an individual consciousness so
radically different? Certainly the words and the
questions were much longer but they were always
prefaced admittedly in my own language. Why, how,
how is that so, why is that so? And in asking those
questions, I learned. Also my teachers aided me in
those learning, they always left the answers open
for the following question, how, why and so on? So
that it is always set up in a way. Now a teacher is
different than an individual that is showing and
explaining. A teacher is an individual that explains
in detail but always leaves the question open of
why, what comes next? What is the next step in this?
Why is that so? How is that done? Why is that
necessary? What if we do it this way? No it doesn't
work that way because it is set up in a factor that
is equal to the proportion that is necessary for the
advancement. Well why is that so? So therefore the
setup is always to answer the next question or to
set up the next question. And a teacher will set up
in such a way that they know the next question that
is going to be asked and they know the answer that
they will give and they set it up so that they leave
it open for the following question. When you ask one
question for example, why does the fingers work in
the way that they do? Well the explanation is that
the muscles as you contract on one side tighten on
the other side so the finger pulls. But why does
that work that way? Well it works that way because
the electrical impulses generated from the mind to
the nerves and the tissues and the tendons and so
Skip: now there's one thing you're
going to find as your son grows and it's going to
drive you crazy, think about it every time he says
it. "Why does it do this, why does it do that?" Why,
why, why, why? And it's a constant question.
Omal: Russ can you make me a promise?
Omal: never say the words when asked
the question why, because.
Russ: just the word because?
Skip: because, that's not an answer.
Omal: that is not an answer.
Russ: I'd be happy to make that
Skip: you will come up to that point
sometimes because you're....okay, let me take it
from my own experience.
Omal: please do so.
Skip: you get impatient because you're
trying to accomplish something and the little person
comes up and says "why daddy?" "Why what?" "Why are
you doing that?" And the first thing that comes to
your mind "because", back to your work. Remember
Russ: oh I will, I can promise.
Skip: yeah, yeah remember that because
it happens, it's a normal human reaction. Now you
don't want to be bothered and yet you don't want to
put the child off.
Omal: okay now the punishment is my
Omal: if Karra tells me that you have
said those words....
Russ: and she will.
Omal: because, and she will, you will
Skip: ohhhh, ouch.
Russ: frick, well.......
Omal: if I hear it a second time.....
Russ: he's going to get the full
explanation anyway, I just want to make sure he
Skip: but you understand where I'm
Skip: this happens because mentally
you're involved in something and this little person
comes up and says, "why does this work this way
daddy?" Now it's completely irrelevant to what
Russ: yeah I've said it before to the
kid's in the shop, I know.
Skip: yeah it is completely irrelevant
to what you're......
Russ: because it does.
Omal: now it's not going to be double
to 200, it's good be multiples of.....the first
offense is 100. The second is 1,000.
Omal: oh yes, but this is important
because you are shaping an individual's mind. You
are shaping not only your future but your species'
Russ: that's a rather a large
Omal: an individual is a part of the
Russ: right yeah......
Omal: to shape an individual, shapes
the species even in a minute, imperceptible amount.
It gets back to the analogy of the butterfly and the
Skip: sometimes it's very, very
difficult. Very difficult to try to pull yourself
away from what you're doing to answer questions the
little people ask.
Omal: okay here is a comment. If
everybody in the Chinese Republic was to stand on a
chair and jump off at the exact same time, they
would cause a tidal wave which would sink Hawaii.
Omal: it is a humorous comment, it is
Omal: it was meant to produce a laugh
Russ: oh, I thought it was a factual
Russ: I thought, they really did the
research on that one, I'll tell you.
Skip: but China holds a quarter of the
world population too, 25% of the world's population.
Omal: yes, it was a very poor attempt
at your humor.
Skip: that's okay, we'll let it go.
Omal: maybe to some of our less
experienced individuals I may do so. Okay, thank you
Skip: thank you Omal.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: I can still do it, (holds the
Vulcan greeting up) live long and prosper.
Skip: you have a good one.
jumps back in.)
Skip: but children do get kind of
irritating sometimes, they really do.
Russ: well I've got Karra to help me on
Russ: as Kiri......
Kiri: (blows a raspberry)
Skip: don't hide.
Russ: practices with her children all
Skip: don't hide.
Russ: they're always ask you, "why
Kiri: yes they do.
Skip: yeah they do.
Kiri: "why mommy?" Well, it works this
way"......and I found a way around it, because
it.....and then I explain. It works this way
because. So you're still getting away with because
but not just because.
Skip: yeah, not just a solo word.
Skip: how you doing
Kiri: I'm doing good. Okay, I'm going
to put the next speaker on.
Skip: okay, go ahead darling.
Kiri: as we had a rather long chat
there, about how much time do we have left?
Russ: we are currently at 30 minutes.
Kiri: 30 minutes left? Good, we can
squeeze two more in.
(Karra makes her
Skip: yes it's quite nerve-racking
sometimes Russ, it really is.
Russ: I'm going to find out.
Skip: oh yeah well......
Skip: hi sweetie.
Russ: nerve-racking is it?
Skip: forewarned is forearmed believe
Karra: and being requested by the base
commander is putting me in a little awkward spot
Russ: I didn't do it okay? I just
brought it up.
Karra: I know but it is something that
Omal apparently feels very strongly about.,
Russ: oh I can tell, he's taking this a
couple steps further than he has ever taken
Skip: yes, yes he is.
Karra: yes, the words promise me.
Russ: yes, I've never heard that exited
his mouth before.
Skip: no, I've never heard it.
Russ: so this is one I'm taking
seriously big time.
Karra: yes I don't know why, but Omal
has very strong feelings on something like that in
making those words.
Russ: well I'm the last one to go
Skip: well you stop and figure out
something, you stop and figure out something. Our
children, whether it's yours or mine or Russ', our
children are our future.
Omal: oh yes.
Skip: and if we don't teach them right
as they're growing up, where's our future going?
Karra: in the toilet.
Skip: you got it babe, you got it.
Karra: it's throughout even Sirian
history. There are events in history where children
have been neglected and unfortunately, it's been
always very bad for the species. For our species for
your species because in our old age before
rejuvenation capability much as on your planet, if
you don't treat your children well, they will have
no respect for you and in old age what does that
mean? Ahhh, stick them in a home.
Skip: well that's happening right here
in this world now. I mean now because the
parents.....okay in my generation, I was taught to
respect your elders and have consideration for all
people. As the generations have been born since me,
the generation now are getting to the point of "hey
live for yourself, the hell with everybody else."
Karra: which is very wrong.
Skip: and it's wrong.
Russ: oh yeah absolutely.
Skip: it's wrong, you have to have
consideration for all life including your elders and
Karra: yeah it's something to do with
the mental processes of the individual that when
they get to the point where they say "to hell with
everybody else", they really don't care about
Skip: that's correct. If you have no
respect for yourself, you can't respect anybody
else. Here's another thing Russ,
do you like you?
Russ: I love me.
Skip: there you go, if you love you
then you love other people.
Russ: oh absolutely, no questions
Skip: okay, and I'm the same way. I
love me. So consequently, I love all the people I
come in contact with and the people I don't come in
Karra: speaking as a healer, the
hardest thing that I find to understand about your
species is that, I know that we've discussed this in
the past, is where people go, "I don't like the way
that I look, I need my nose smaller, I need my
breasts made bigger, I need my tummy tucked, I need
this done, I need that done". They don't like
themselves most of them, they're not happy as they
are and they will never be happy with what they've
Skip: that's correct because even if
they change what they want to change, they were
still will not be happy with themselves.
Skip: okay, my comment to these people
and to a lot of people is, God never made any junk.
Karra: that's correct. There are
certain cases where you know if there is a
malfunction in the configuration of the nose and
thank you Russ, you got me thinking in computer
talk, you obviously have to fix the nose.
Skip: that's correct.
Karra: so then that is not cosmetic.
Skip: it's a physical malfunction and
you can fix a physical malfunction.......
Karra: that's correct.
Skip: and once you get that fixed and
it gets squared away then still, God never made no
Karra: that's correct. But if a
malfunction or a deformity happens, then it is part
Skip: that can be repaired
Karra: that is correct.
Skip: now, can I tell you a story?
Karra: yes certainly.
Skip: okay there was a story about a
young prince, he had a deformed body, he had a
statue carved of himself standing tall and straight
and he placed it in the garden of the castle. Every
day he seen that statue, every day he stretched to
become that. Eventually he became that straight,
tall young prince and overcame his deformities
through his mental and spiritual being and everybody
can do this.
Russ: yeah, it's within the concepts of
everyone's creative ability.
Skip: anybody can do this. It's like
this young lady has said, we're healers but we're
only jump starters. We can jump start anybody to
realize that they can heal themselves.
Karra: now there is a story, very
similar on Sirius of Tonar the Corrupt and the
statute he had made of himself that was perfect in
every detail down to the fact of the pimple on his
nose. And when the pimple was pointed out, he goes
"I don't have a pimple, remove that pimple from my
statue." So they did and the nose fell off.
Skip: okay here's another story I read
just here not too long ago. A young gentleman was
very vain about his hair and he lost it all. He had
transplants from his chest which the hair still fell
out of his head. He went through all the different
aspects and advertisements they got about growing
hair and this, that and whatever. And all this time
he was under the care of a physician. This doctor
told him, he says "well, we have got a new process
and it's radiation. He
says it's very, very experimental and very dangerous
but if you'll give your permission", he says "I'll
try it on you and see if it will grow your hair".
The gentleman said yes. The doctor took him into an
x-ray room, darkened it down like they normally do
for x-rays, turned on the machines so they hummed
and buzzed, never done a thing to the gentleman. He said okay, he says "now within
two weeks your hair will start growing, he says
in a year's time you'll have a full head of
hair". In six weeks the gentleman sent the
doctor a picture and he had a full head of hair
because he was mentally convinced that this
treatment that he got would grow his hair back. So
mentally and physically and spiritually he grew his
own hair back. The doctor was a jump starter.
Karra: correct, anyway I'm being
informed by my punk of a sister that I better move
on as we have one more speaker.
Russ: all right.
Skip: okay go ahead.
Russ: thank you sweetheart.
Karra: that was 15 minutes?
Russ: on the money.
Skip: thank you darling.
Karra: you're welcome.
is back quickly.)
Skip: we've been getting into
some pretty heavy conversations you know that Russ?
Russ: good, we won't be having any for
a couple of weeks.
Skip: I know.
Kiri: okay, next speaker.
Skip: hi sweetie, bye sweetie.
(Tia joins the chat.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: (Says hi in Durondudunn.)
Skip: hi babe.
Tia: (Says more in Durondudunn.) okay
now down to business, okay that's better. Okay let
us look at the activities in your markets. His nose
doesn't fit right for the glasses to do that with.
Okay now, some very interesting things are going on
in the market right now in the U.S. market and the
European markets and the Asian markets. The Asian
markets are recovering from of course the Asian flu.
And they are showing signs of starting to grow and
starting to expand whereas the US market seems to be
fluctuating up and down, up and down. It's been up
to 11 and 300 and today I think it's down to about
Tia: ten four hundred sorry. So
therefore it seems like your U.S. market is in a
very wobbly state. It is fluctuating up and down, up
and down, up and down. We are now seeing a increase
in the, what's the word? Increase in the interest
rates which is an action to slow down the economy.
Now the question is, why would an economy that seems
to be developing need to be slowed down? Well it is
our belief that the market is starting to be out of
control and that the inflationary actions which is
creating this problem is the reason why it is out of
control. That the market has grown out of control
and the prices are getting expensive so therefore
it's starting to inflate which is not a good action
to happen. Now to say that this is related to the
Asian flu may be incorrect. This could be the
American flu. Now what happens from here is a little
uncertain in the outcome. The outcome is three
possible outcomes. One is it stabilizes and starts
to grow on a steady rate. Two, it slows right down
and reverses itself. Three, it continues at these
wild oscillations which it has done in the past but
the interest rate hasn't been increased until now.
Okay now, what comes from each of those scenarios?
Well if it continues to grow steadily and to advance
steadily and slowly in control, then you have a
growth period which is useful as a respite for the
advancements and preparations for anything that may
come up ahead. If it suddenly plummets and goes
totally into a spiral and crashes, then you are in a
situation that we have discussed many times. If it
continues on the third option of these wild
oscillations, then again you are in a respite from
the possible spiral downwards which is of course a
negative effect. So the two possible outcomes at the
moment are the most likely. We've been watching them
very carefully and either of the two, the wild
oscillations but stable but with very wild
oscillations and the continued slow growth. Both of
those options are very possible at the moment.
However, the third option of the sudden plunge is
possible but not as highly. There may be a plunge of
up to 500 points where the market actually stops
trading. It may happen a couple days in a row and
many, many thousands of dollars are lost. But
they're not lost. Not unless you're a fresh investor
that is invested within that thousand frame. Let's
say below it drops before 9,000. If you invested
after it went over the 10,000 then you've lost but
if you were smart and invested 10 years ago when it
was down at about 3,000 or even maybe a little bit
higher I think it was about 4,000 I think, then you
haven't lost one green cent. You want to know why?
The only thing you've lost is a 1,000
points of profit. Big deal. Out of 6,000 points of
profit, you've lost a 1,000, you haven't even
touched the initial investment. So when people start
talking about that they been in the market for 10
years, 20 years and they suddenly lose a 1,000,
2,000, 10,000, ask them how much of their original
investment they've lost. And if they tell you that
they've lost their original investment then they've
really messed up. But if they go "well my original
investment was 10,000, I was at 200,000 have lost
1,000," they haven't lost a thing.
Skip: no, they've still gained.
Tia: they've still gained but it's a
common misconception that I've noted recently in
analyzing your markets that people talk that they've
lost 10,000, 20,000, they haven't lost a penny,
they've just lost the profit. And this could be part
of the problem that they're perceiving that the
money that they're losing is actually theirs when
it's not. It's profit they have not made yet because
they haven't sold their stocks, they've just lost
the value of what they had on the profit, the profit
margin is decreased. Okay do we have any questions
Skip: no uh-huh. It's just like going
to a casino.
Tia: okay now, this afternoon in the
city of Moscow there was a
bomb blast. One person killed, 33 individuals
injured. There is an election about to occur in
Russia. There is also action going on in Dagestan in
the former Soviet Republic of Dagestan, there is a
military action going on. At this time it has been
speculated that it is either a politically motivated
bomb blast, religiously motivated bomb blast or a
gang related bomb blast. This occurred in a shopping
mall, underground shopping mall, not a illegal
shopping mall but an underground shopping mall,
literally underground. It is something that is being
investigated by the former KGB under its new name.
There is definite instability occurring in Russia at
this time. The action in Dagestan is winding down.
There appears to be fewer people involved in the
fighting, a lot of them have returned to Chechnya
which is where they came from originally. Again that
is a religiously, motivated hostile action, it is
not a war, it is terrorist actions. No formal
declaration of war has been declared yet, they are
rebels. Okay, let us look at East Timor at the
moment. There appears to be an election going on
there. There is certainly very edgy and hostile
actions happening but the election appears to be
legal at this time. I'm bringing up these matters to
counterbalance each other on what is going on the
world. Also there is investigations going on into
supposed quote, unquote war crimes in Kosovo. Again
this is under investigation. Whether or not these
individuals that supposedly committed these war
crimes actually did and these war crimes were not
exacerbated by the action of NATO which if you will
remember when these actions were going on it was
stated that these actions may actually aid the
ethnic cleaning or create it to be accelerated is
something that's still open to debate. Okay, do we
have any questions?
Russ: I do. It seems almost that the
Russian part of the statements that with the
election coming up now and the major election coming
up in December, people are wondering about I think
worrying about the winter........
upcoming winter and the financial state of Russia
right now while it's still sunny and warm and it
could be the edginess that is getting to the people
is being responded to I think by these bomb blasts.
Tia: it is possible but there is no
evidence at this time on who.....there is evidence
that it is politically motivated. As yet I'm not
getting a full report on who is making the claims.
Russ: strange isn't it? According to
that, right after a bomb blast......normally in our
Skip: well that's in our country but
over there, a lot of people never cop to it. You
know what I'm saying right?
Tia: I'm getting a relay at the moment.
They have individuals or somebody is making a claim
that they are responsible and there's also been
another one but they're not releasing the
information yet on who's made the claims because
they need to confirm whether or not it is this
particular organization or this organization is band
Russ: good timing though.
Tia: I happen to be wearing my ear set
Russ: excellent, good call.
Tia: uh-huh. So even as......I'm
getting information on world events and stuff.
Skip: it could be any way of three
ways. it could be political, it could be religious
or could be just unrest.
Tia: territorial disputes between rival
gangs. I can't confirm any of those comments as they
haven't released that information but they do have a
possible lead on a group that is responsible.
Russ: definitely a place to watch for
this coming winter though.
Tia: uh-huh, any questions?
Skip: no I don't think so darling.
Tia: okay because I'm getting
distracted by the feed that I'm getting at the
Russ: well there is only couple minutes
left anyway on the tape.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)
Skip: okay darling thank you.
Kiri: I thought that was funny.
(Kiri finishes up for the night.)
Russ: yeah that was pretty good.
Kiri: hold on, I'm getting a report
right now and yes it...owww.. Yes, yes we have
confirmation that there is....owwww....no
confirmation at this time.
Russ: reminds me of a newscaster.
Skip: yeah right.
Russ: wait a minute, report coming in.
Skip: yeah right.
Kiri: she keeps herself very well
informed. It's actually a house rule that she
doesn't wear her headset unless there is something
important going on.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Kiri: so she circumnavigated it....
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