6th to 3rd, DIMENSIONAL DIFFERENCES 08/12/97
Archivist notes: This tape was picked
out at random as our most of the ones chosen for
the podcasts but on review, there is no such thing
as random anything. It is full of laughter and
tears, beginnings and endings. We get to meet
Huna/Bunny for the first time which made for a
very funny and memorable meeting.
To bring listeners up to speed, Sarah
was a young woman on Earth who was abducted by the
Zeta Reticuli who performed some experiments that
took a horrible toll on her body. The ship she was
on was intercepted by Ashtar Command who rescued
her and brought her back to the base to be healed.
The damage to her body was too great and the time
left for her to live was limited. Near the end of
that time she was taken to Sirius to spend time in
hospice with Kiri and Karra's grandmother who
lived as a nun in a monastery high up in the
The monastery was normally accessible
only by hiking in and using a local pack animal
called a mal due to the the rules of the monastery.
Special dispensation had been granted to Sarah who
had been flown in. Kiri was visiting her for the
last time and conveyed her final words to the group
of us on the base who knew her the best.
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(Tia comes on to start the night off.)
Tia: as well.
Tia: super duper, duper, duper, duper.
Russ: everyone's home.
Tia: yes, everyone's home. Okay tonight, guest speakers
are.......I'll let her introduce herself. She wants to
introduce yourself. Okay now let me briefly skip through a
few items so that we get nice and freshly underway. Let me
see, okay, stock market today dropped a hundred and one
points on the Dow. What's going on at the moment with the
drops and it's dropped below 8000 is profit taking. People
are pulling out and taking profit of the money that they've
made just recently. Now it is worth watching to see what
transpires at this point. Okay, that's the stock market out
of the way......UPS strike, how is it affecting the United
States economy? Well at the moment it's not affecting it too
much but if this strike continues, it's going to destroy one
of the largest organizations for transporting goods. What is
happening? Well it seems to be a fight over union
controlling the pension plan and the company controlling the
Russ: in other words, retirement K something or.......
Tia: 401(k) plan.
Russ: yeah 401(k)?
Tia: yes, correct.
Russ: because the company's using it to make investments and
make money on?
Russ: typical business strategy.
Tia: uh-huh and a very sound and good one. The unions want
to be able to control it which is a bad move.
Russ: yeah, they want to make the money.
have no idea on how to make the money. Well they do but
they're not prepared to take the necessary risks to do so.
In the long run, it benefits the employees that the company
keeps control. Because for a company to be successful, it
has to be good with business. For a union to be successful,
it doesn't have anything to do with business at all. So it
is more along the lines of the union wants to control it to
have control of the profits for the union i.e., the high
officials in the union to have a much more bigger salary,
Russ: well they probably heard the bad media about companies
that use the 401(k) to invest, lose the investment and lose
the retirement plans of their employees.
Tia: who's giving this dissertation?
Russ: oh, sorry.
Tia: thank you. I'm asking rhetorical questions.
Tia: that don't need a answer. So the unions want control of
the 401 retirement (k) plan. The company wants to keep it.
Who is better suited to control it? Obviously ergo the
business. By......stop snickering. So what is going on? Well
the thing about they want more people to go full-time. Yes
that is a good idea in essence. Let us take a theoretical
number. Let us say you have a staff of 50,000 in the company, that's
management, supervisors and regular full-time and part-time
employees. Out of that 50,000, 25,000 are part-time. Let's
say you want to increase the number of full-time
positions. Now there's two ways to do this. One is to go out
and drum up more business and two is to cut the staff of
part-timers so that the other part-timers that are left, let's say
you cut fifty percent of the part-timers right? So that
would be 12,500 employees that would go full-time. The other
12,500, what happens to them? If the business isn't growing,
but is staying the same and making a profit, those 12,500
are useless. In actual fact they start to make the company
lose money. So for a company to maintain its profitability,
you have to get rid of that 12,500. What has been achieved
at this? Well by doing this, you have downsized the company
but you have not made any substantial gains, you
are staying the same. You're being competitive but
those 12,500 people that are now unemployed, who is
responsible for that? The unions are responsible because
they wanted more full-time positions so ergo that is a moot
point. You want more people to work full-time, well you have
to lose some of your part-time people to give those other
part-time people full-time status. Why do that? Well, it
makes people feel good, they're now full-time. Why are the
unions trying to make those people full-time? They obviously
do not understand the ramifications of doing that. Okay let
us move along now to something a little bit more lively and
enjoyable. Reports recently of 14 to 18-year-olds state that
they are more interested, not in making money, but in high
morals or higher morals. But the questions were asked and
worded in such a way as "which do you think is better?" Not
"what do you feel is better?" but "which do you think is
better?" Asking questions like this is designed as more of a
feel-good exercise, it achieves nothing. Okay let us look at
the recent welfare reforms. Well apparently when the bill
was signed last year, 1.5 million people went off of
welfare. What happened to these people? The government is
not too clear on that, in fact they decidedly avoided the
issue on what happened to them. If they went off welfare,
how many of them actually went into the workforce. And if
you look at the figures and the way it's set up, how many of
those are receiving things like food stamps, put into
low-rent that is subsidized by the government and so on. So
even though 1.5 million people have disappeared off
unemployment, they're still being supported and subsidized
by the government. Ergo still supported and subsidized by
taxpaying people. Okay, now let us get down to questions.
Russ: all right.....
Tia: when you're finished scribbling there.
Russ: this is due to the UPS.
I have found a third version that would work really well.
Russ: and that is.........it's a policy that would be
set up whereby you need to bring on full-time people and
reduce the size of your part-time force.
Russ: okay? So instead of firing or downsizing your
part-time force, you don't hire any new people right now.
Russ: but as a full-time person leaves, you bring up
a.....to retire or leaves the company or for some
Russ: you bring up a part-timer to full-time and then you
can hire someone to work part-time but now if a part-timer
leaves, you don't hire a new person.
Russ: that way as the full people leave, full-time people
leave, the part-timers move up and then you can replace that
part-timer who left with a new part-timer.
Tia: the unions won't go for that. That is in essence what
UPS is trying to do.
Russ: it's a great plan.
Tia: UPS is trying to do that, the unions won't let them do
that. Certainly there are individuals that are becoming
full-time through the normal course of progression, people
retire, somebody fills their position and so on. That is the
way that it is done and that is the way that UPS wants it
done. The union wants to make let's say out of my
theoretical number of 25,000 part-time people, they want to
make more than half of those......so that would be more than
12,500 full-time whilst keeping the other people part-time.
What are those part-timers going to do for work if half the
workforce that is part-time becomes full-time?
Russ: well they'll cover routes that don't need full-time
Tia: well that's the way it is now, you see? The union will
if it continues on its course, destroy UPS because
people will go elsewhere, to the Postal Service, to Federal
Express, to the Flying Tigers and so on. For shipping
they will go to other people which makes UPS have to lay off
Russ: well this is just setting up for someone to step in
where UPS was.
Russ: and then it would give more room for more people to
come in to the courier business.
Russ: who you know.....
Tia: career business?
Tia: could you...
Russ: as in courier, to carry something from some place to
another, a courier.
Tia: that's a new word to me.
Russ: oh okay.
Russ: no, courier.
Tia: not cree whatever.
Tia: okay that's a new word. Korea.
Tia: hmm okay.
Russ: anyway, that would bring up you know some new people
into the business that are currently out of it because of
the fact that UPS has got a stranglehold on the whole corporation.
Russ: you know you have DHL, you've got Federal Express, you
have a few people out there but they're not big time yet.
Tia: no, because UPS is the big.....
Russ: UPS has the planes, they've got the trucks, they've
got the corporation
but they're weak right now.
due to the fact of the unions.
Russ: sure and people are going to find out how good those
smaller companies actually are now.
Russ: who normally wouldn't go with anybody else,
especially the businesses.
Tia: exactly, exactly. So the unions, even though they're
trying to do their members a service, are doing them a
disservice. Now the other problem on the horizon for UPS is
the pilots and the pilots union. It's another trouble
brewing, one worth watching.
Russ: now with the UPS being controlled by the Teamsters, is
this going to have any effect on truck deliveries as far as
cross-country food and other deliveries?
Tia: not yet.
Tia: not yet.
Russ: I mean you won't have a sympathy strike from other
Tia: no, I don't see that happening just yet.
Tia: the strike may go for another week, may. It may go
Russ: now do you feel it's you know kind of shooting
the....overshooting their bounds to call the White House in
to mediate between these two?
Tia: yes, yes, absolutely.
Russ: I mean it's not like they're ground controllers.
Russ: or something that has to do with a major government
Tia: yeah they're not vital as has been proved.
Russ: yeah it's a private industry.
Russ: it's unreasonable to have the government step in in a
private industry's civil dispute.
Tia: well where does it stop? If you call the government in
to settle that dispute, where does it stop?
Russ: well the buck stops at the government. The government
could get the blame for this whole nine yards if it
blows up in their face.
Tia: uh-huh and it very well could.
Russ: they were asked to come and so.....
Tia: well the unions asked them to come in.
Russ: sure and if they do it right and they get this strike
resolved fairly between the two corporations, the government
Russ: good gamble on Clinton's side.
Tia: yes and it's a very dangerous gamble.
Russ: it could pay off big though.
Russ: I mean his stakes are not.......it's not really a win
lose situation, because he could just say at the end going, "we
gave it our best shot but we ran into very much
unreasonableness on the side of whichever party decides to
blow it up.
Russ: and they could be looking at, "well hey, government
gave it a shot, that's at least something that you know...."
Tia: yeah but there is no right for the government to be
Russ: yeah but the majority of the people aren't seeing
that. The minority of people who follow government are but
on the whole, those average Joe's and stuff who just read
the paper are just like, "oh, well that makes sense."
Tia: yeah but where does it stop? You know the government
comes in to settle this strike right? And it goes well for
them, let's say it goes well. Where does it stop? Does it
stop on a local scale?
Russ: it stops when the government.......whenever the
government says it has to stop.
Tia: so, let us say that two people are having a domestic
government steps in and says, "okay we'll settle it for
you." Is that right?
Russ: no, that's a job for the courts.
Tia: but that's the way that it's heading. Where does it
Russ: not necessarily, something like this isn't a court
matter. You want to take the union and the UPS and have them
settle this in court.
Tia: no but I'm saying that let us say that the husband and
wife are having a disagreement over let us
Tia: okay? The wife wants it in one set up and the husband
wants it in another set up. Does the government have the
right to intervene and say where it should go?
Tia: but that's the way it's heading.
Russ: well, it's possible but I don't see it going that way
in the long run. I see it will stop long before before that
because the government will see that as a possibility and
won't let it go that far.
Tia: the government very well might.
Russ: well yeah the government I think is just they've
stepped in in Ireland, they've stepped in the Middle East,
they stepped in China and Taiwan, they stepped in in Hong
Kong and China. You know they've basically gone everywhere
internationally and I think they're trying to do the same
thing on a domestic level to show that their concern is also
on a domestic agenda.
Tia: yes but every time they step in internationally, what
Russ: actually, very good stuff so far.
Tia: well last time they stepped in, let's take northern
Tia: they stepped in, there was a 15 month cease-fire and
then kablooey, back to square one.
Russ: nobody blamed that on the U.S. Government.
Tia: well why not?
Russ: it wasn't the government's fault. Extremists in the
IRA caused that blow up.
Tia: yes okay, let us look at this right? Where did the
money come from for the IRA to start their terror campaign
Russ: Sinn Fein.
Tia: where did Sinn Fein get the money from?
Russ: well they've got their supporters around the world,
the United States and England.
Tia: not so much in Great Britain. There are a few, but
very, very minor.
Russ: well I mean you've got people who you know like
the guy who built that silver car. (John
DeLorean) whatever his name was...that chrome car
Tia: well it doesn't matter.
Tia: but a lot of the money comes from the United States.
Okay let us look at Bosnia. Okay, last September
there was elections.........
Tia: which were basically a farce. You end up with three
people running the country right? Three presidents, very
strange set up, still haven't figured that
one out. Now, supposedly there were meant to be local
elections. Those local elections have been postponed and
postponed and postponed and they have been postponed again
until September which more than likely they will be
postponed again. Now, out of the two million people
that were homeless from that war right? They were supposed
to get help
and everything to move and settle back in. Out of that, only
250,000 have returned home. Out of that, only 10,000 have
returned to their original ethnic areas, it's not working.
Russ: yes but America isn't in charge of all that, they're
trying to give Bosnia as much independence as they can and
not look like a United States puppet.
Tia: uh-huh, I'm going to quote you, "it's a good thing that
the US is going in there to sort things out".
Russ: yeah, I agree.
Tia: but it's not sorted anything out.
Russ: no I'm not talking now, I'm talking about earlier when
they...first the war stopped.
Tia: yeah it stopped all right but it's still going on, they're
still killing each other, car bombs, shootings and so on.
It's not as prevalent and the lines are no longer drawn in a
Russ: it's not a war anymore.
Tia: exactly, but people are still getting killed.
Russ: well people are getting killed in the United States
Tia: well why doesn't the government do something about
Russ: because they're accidents.
Tia: oh, a drive-by shooting's an accident huh?
Russ: yeah we have police but I mean it's not like the
government's going to declare martial law, come in and
basically put a soldier with an M-16 on every corner to keep
this stuff from happening in the United States which is the
same thing you'd be looking at doing in Bosnia. So the
government's doing the right thing in this.
Tia: you think so?
Tia: well, let me look at it this way, or let us look at it
this way. As soon as the headlines are over and the deals
are signed your government basically goes pufft, "you're on
your own." Let us look at Haiti. At the start of his run in
office right? He said that after the invasion, there would
be....how long would your troops be there, 18
Tia: about 18 months. Well they brought certainly a lot home
but they sent just as many back as support personnel to
support the United Nations peacekeeping force there in
supplies and communications and medical purposes. So in
essence, and they're all military personnel, nothing
changed. They just brought the front-line troops home and
replaced them with people that aren't capable of stopping
Russ: well I applaud that decision.
Russ: because history, and especially 20th-century history,
has a lot of examples of governments that have run countries
when the countries got their freedoms back, the government
said "okay, you're on your own, goodbye." and
left them with no support services and nothing to really
base a government on. At which point they were taken over by
coups or ended up in total anarchy, dictatorships. No what
we're doing in all three places you mentioned....
Russ: is keeping a presence that if not just on a political
side as in Ireland.
Russ: is actually a physical side as you see in Haiti.
Russ: leaving the countries to basically they're
on their own but they've got their friend to fall back on.
Tia: no they're not, they're not on their own.
Russ: well pretty much everybody sees them as on their own.
I'm saying look at perceptions.
Tia: they're puppets.
Russ: I know but look at perceptions.
Tia: is it right?
Russ: yes, absolutely.
Tia: it is right?
Tia: so it's right for a country to have another country as
Russ: until they get their feet together and they can make
it on their own, yes I totally agree.
Tia: they're never going to get their act together because
the simple reason is that the United States or any other
country that does this routine, Great Britain, Russia, so
on, won't let them. Because as soon as they do that, they
Russ: but we have a lot you know interests and investments
in those countries.
Tia: you do?
Tia: name one in Haiti.
Russ: the sugar industry.
Russ: we have a sugar industry in Haiti that we do get our
sugar from because that's one of their main exports is
Tia: yeah, but you can get sugar from other sources, Hawaii.
Tia: sugar beet.
Russ: the prices are lower in Haiti.
Tia: slave labor.
Russ: fine but the prices are lower.
Tia: oh yes certainly.
Russ: we have investments that we are protecting. We have
major loans we've given them......
Russ: that we are.......
Tia: oh so it's a matter of protecting your investments now
Russ: well okay here's your scenario. We pull out okay? We
leave them all on their own.
Russ: which is what you I guess are saying.
Tia: yeah pretty much so.
Russ: okay, all of a sudden they have a fact where inflation
starts to rise okay?
Russ: well, we can't get investments from the United States
because we can't show that we have a government that's
stable enough to encourage investment from the World Bank.
Russ: therefore, people start losing faith in the government, government
starts to collapse. In steps a military leader of some sort
to oust Astride or Asteide or whatever his name is.
Russ: Aristide, and we're back at square one again. Here
comes America again with it's troops to take over. Here
comes Aristide again. Okay, well we've gone through that
Russ: we spent time, money, man-hours and soldiers to keep
them there in a place that we should have kept a residual
force in and help prop up until that government is more
Tia: uh-huh. Okay let's look at what you've just said.
Tia: okay, you spend X number of dollars on an invasion. You
spend X number of dollars keeping individuals in that
country right? To protect investments from the United
States companies right?
Tia: that have total control of those companies producing
Tia: okay, those companies pay
taxes to the government.
Tia: that pay the troops to protect the sugar.
Tia: who pays and you say it works out cheaper?
Tia: it doesn't. If you take in to fact that you are paying,
the companies are paying the government taxes to keep the
troops there so that they have control it works out that the
about the same. You may find out that it's five cents
cheaper over.....five cents per pound cheaper. That's
peanuts. Because you are paying taxes to the government and
buying the sugar company's sugar that pays the taxes to the
government to keep the troops there. You're paying for the
troops. You're paying the government to have those
individuals there. You're paying for their food, their
clothing, their lodging, their equipment, their
transportation. So is it correct to send troops there to
protect sugar that you're paying for the sugar, you're
paying for the troops and all the relevant information that
I've just stated with that?
Russ: well you left out one important thing that were paying
Tia: you don't pay for democracy.
Russ: well I think that that there's a hard currency coin we
are paying for democracy.
Tia: people pay for democracy in their blood.
Tia: so, you've taken away the free will of a people that
are run by a bunch of third dimensional companies to enforce
third dimensional philosophy and thinking that leads to no
spiritual growth. Doesn't matter if it's Haiti, Bosnia or
Northern Ireland. You perpetuate the cycle.
Russ: well I'm sorry if I'm in complete disagreement with
that but only because in all three places, especially Bosnia
and Haiti, we are perpetuating freedom of choice, freedom of
religion, freedom to go out and make money and maintain a
Democratic society with the capitalistic side to it whereby
all people are able to express their free will, get books
and other forms of materials that will help them in their
conscious growth as opposed to what we've seen in Russia
before and other dictatorships or other military coup places
where the government runs everything, restricts religion,
restricts thought, restricts everything and keeps that
consciousness at a very low level.
Tia: you'd be surprised actually how much different the
facts are from you're stating. I'm running short on time as
well. Okay, let me round up by saying that you go in there
and using your own words, you force your will with your
capitalistic ideas, with your idea of freedom on them. What
if the people either don't really care or don't want it?
They've got it regardless anyway. If there was the coup in
the first place right?
Tia: and the sanctions were not levied, what would've
happened? We'll leave it on that note.
Tia: I'll be back.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal takes over from Tia.)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and how are you functioning?
Russ: functioning quite well, good thoughts and spirits to
Omal: thank you. Actually Tia is quite correct with her
final statement. Okay let us first of all look at a few key
points that need to be addressed.
Omal: okay, stock market is good, UPS is good, it would be
better instead of saying some coup country, specifically
Omal: Ruwanda, Haiti, Uganda, Zaire, Tanzanika and so
on instead of saying some coup country. Tia's comments on
forcing an idea on individuals and what she is implying is
the people in that area should be allowed to make up their
own minds on what they want and if there is a coup, there is
a coup. This is part of their learning. Having somebody step
in and saying "this is the way it is" is wrong. Is it
right for us to come down to your planet and say "you're
doing it all wrong, this is the way that it is and this how
we're going to enforce it." Is that correct?
Omal: that is what Tia is trying to say in a roundabout sort
of way. That if you look on it on a dimensional scale on
trying to grow spiritually, the struggle, the coup, the
violence is all part of the cycle and learning that needs to
be addressed. That by doing so, they are learning. Whereas
if you take away that learning tool of violence, of coups,
of being repressed, then you are taking away their chance
for advancement. They have to learn those lessons all over
again. So by forcing what one person perceives as their
moralistic point of view is wrong. Your morals are different
from Mark's, as are different from Tia's, Kiri's, Karra's,
my own, Ann's, your friend Jack, your friend Chris, Mark's
friend Mike, they're all different moral points of view and
all are valid. So for one person to say my morals are better
than your morals is wrong. Tia came close to saying how it
should be or how would it be beneficial for all parties when
she mentioned the third dimensional way. If she had
continued to follow that thought process through, you would
have seen where she is trying to go. Tia's disadvantage is
that English is not her native language and she still does
think in Durondedunn and translates it into English. Okay,
any questions on this so far?
Russ: you are totally unarguable.
Omal: thank you, I articulate better than Tia. English
is one of my many languages.
Russ: quite well done.
Omal: thank you. Okay, let me get to my dissertation.
Difference between sixth dimensional way of living and third
dimension way of living. Sixth dimensional way of living is
basically concerned with dealing with the group and
interacting in the consciousness of a group of beings of
different ethnic, cultural backgrounds and accepting that
your morals are different from their morals but yet
interacting in a way where all morals react and interact in
a correct fashion that is necessary for harmony. Harmony is
an important part of consciousness. Being able to interact
and be aware that something that you may take as pleasure
may irritate somebody else or be morally wrong for somebody
else and not practicing that in their presence until you
find otherwise is part of the sixth dimensional conscious
moral behavior. Behaving in a way that is decadent,
irritating and annoying as perceived by other individuals is
morally wrong. Individuals being offended by your morals in
itself is morally wrong. It is an acceptance of all the
consciousness and moral interactions in a sixth dimensional
Third dimensional morals. Third dimensional morals vary from
ethnic area to ethnic area and from time period to time
period. The biggest problem that I perceive is not being
aware that certain moralistic behaviors and actions can
upset other individuals. For example, being considerate of
other people. Let us take a behavior that is quite common,
loud music. Let us take classical music. Classical music for
some people is very irritating and very annoying. It is
morally wrong to force an individual's music on somebody
else. By turning the decibel level to an irritating level is
not only noise pollution but morally wrong as well. This
creates disharmony, disharmony leads to other problems and in
doing so, the morals get rubbed, inflamed and people get on
their high horse and create problems which creates more
disharmony and therefore interaction becomes a negative
characteristic. How to advance to a more harmonic level
takes patience, skill, persuasion and in yourself being at
harmony. Being in tune that creates the necessary
vibrational frequency for you to confront the problem
without getting angry, irritated or annoyed. Such mental
patterns do take practice.
Comparing the two, there are no comparisons, that is
impossible to do. Trying to be aware and advance to a sixth
dimensional consciousness is the goal that I am trying to
lay the groundwork for. For me to force my will, my moral
ideas and my principles of advancing to this goal is wrong.
I can lay out the pattern and leave it up to you, whether
you wish to perceive it or not is your choice. The choice is
there for you. It is not there for enforcement, it is there
for your choice and your choice alone leading you hopefully
to a path that I perceive as being harmonic for you. It is
wrong to force the will of individuals on a majority. It is
up to the individuals to accept and to learn what is right
and wrong so that their harmony can help them advance. In
conclusion, morals are important. Learning the morals that
are necessary for advancement to help you on a spiritual
pathway is the goal, the objective. How you achieve those
morals varies from individual to individual. But it is
important to remember that interaction with harmony is
important to achieve the correct moral values. I think this
ties in very nicely with last week's dissertation. Shorter
certainly, more informative certainly. Do you have any
Russ: a couple, yes. First off, wouldn't an individual's
color scheme as for example blue painted walls force a
change over the group as a whole?
Russ: okay. Just wondering about some individual who painted
the corner bar up on the base. (An establishment near Mark,
Kiri and Tia's apartment.) As being a sixth dimensional
perhaps not quite.......
Omal: that was a prank.
Russ: oh I understand that but I'm sure it was grasped as a
enjoyable learning experience as a group as a whole which would
be found in sixth dimensional terms?
Omal: correct. It is necessary to remember humor is an
important growing tool. The fact that it did irritate some
individuals, but a lot of individuals found it quite
amusing. The color blue was not my most tasteful color to
choose. I personally would have chosen a pastel pink.
Russ: well I was just thinking that you know you brought up
the point of loud music, well this is sort of the same kind
Omal: yes, loud colors. Yes but that was done and I believe
that the group did see the humor necessary in letting off
steam for certain hairy individuals. (The Wookies on the
Omal: the people involved with the prank on the pranksters
side also learned. What did they learn? They learned
that the best layed plans of individuals sometimes is
waylaid by a hair. (A Wookie hair gave away who were the
pranksters.) Next question please.
Russ: all right, can we use your addition to your last
week's dissertation about your keywords as being a part of
your message overall in the webpage?
Omal: any references to the message that I'm trying to give
Russ: certain individuals.
Omal: certain individuals must not be mentioned.
Russ: correct but written it in the way that this is a
puzzle to be worked out for growth?
Omal: that is for certain individuals.
Russ: so there is no way I can use that thing.
Russ: that is just what I wanted to find out. All
right, now let's look over if I could the differences
between the two forms of living and break them down a little
bit if I could.
Russ: alright, now obviously we cannot compare the
Russ: but from a third dimensional way of living, we see on
an individual basis many people attempting a
sixth dimensional way of living even unconsciously
throughout our daily lives.
Omal: that is a desire for the glimpse that once was seen.
Russ: right, for example, I myself today had a quite
a startling revelation of that same nature thanks to
and I admit I had a little bit of help there but I mean
other people also get the same relevations so
Russ: so perhaps it is a way that people are adding them up,
helped them in the growth patterns.
Omal: yes but is also if you look at it if you look at it
from other side. Being tolerant of noise.
Omal: being tolerant of the behavior of those individuals
making the noise. So both parties need to compromise. One
has to be tolerant and not get offended and the other one
has to considerate of the other people's threshold to the
Russ: well, on a sixth dimensional way, it's hard to see
that happening down here but perhaps the change will be
Omal: hopefully yes.
Russ: all right, now then going over our past
tapes that we've done, a question was brought up by
Johnny in regards to the Hale-Bopp
and the fact of its changing the consciousness as far as how
people are moving around.
Russ: and merging. In that same effort.....
SIDE ONE ENDS.
(Omal continues with answering that last question.)
Omal: yes, okay.
Russ: and this is also being brought about in regards to the
Cloud and how it's affecting consciousness.
Omal: I'm glad that you got it right on the second try.
Russ: okay, now in that regards, are we going to be seeing
then a corresponding pattern of getting more towards a sixth
dimensional way of living?
Omal: yes and no.
Omal: yes in the fact that more individuals are becoming
aware of it and learning from it and no the fact that other
individuals are becoming more focused within themselves.
More concerned with to quote, "what about me? What about my
feelings? What about my money?" So yes, there are
individuals being affected by the Photon Cloud and the
consciousness and the sixth dimensional thinking that goes
with it but just as many are being affected by the "me
Russ: okay, one last question I have here is in regards to
people who live an ordinary life then can look back on this
later on and realize that their life wasn't ordinary at all
but yet all the experiences that went into making it made
them quite special and unordinary. Is there a way that
people could see that now instead of later and be taught
Omal: no there isn't unfortunately a way but an analogy that
is useful, a bucket with no water is filled by each single
Russ: thank you.
Omal: thank you. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
(Tia quickly makes the hand off.)
Tia: okay, as we have three more people, I must chop, chop,
chop, chop, chop, chop, chop.
(Karra takes her turn as speaker.)
Karra: hello, as Tia is prepping up the
guest speaker, I will be brief and short okay?
Russ: that's all right love, that was well worded your
question by the way.
Karra: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: let us look at.......we'll save that for next week as
it is quite a long dissertation.
Karra: okay, any questions?
Russ: not really, just observations as usual. Mostly on what
been working on all day long. (her mental time-sharing of my
Russ: the bucket of water.
Russ: as opposed to the drops of water.
Russ: good analogy that.
Russ: with that, can you expand a little bit more on that
for those who just got through with Omal's part and now get
on to Karra's part?
Karra: okay. I will try to be as brief as possible.
Karra: the bucket of water is us all. You, me, the host
body, Tia, Kiri, our guest speaker, the technicians, all as
individuals play an intricate part in the consciousness of
individuals as a group and the group consciousness that is
the bucket filled with water. You take out a drop and it is
felt by the bucket even though it is just a fraction.
Individuals play an infinite and intricate part in the all.
The all being everything, the world you live on, the world I
live on, the universe. The loss of a single object is felt
throughout everything. Everything is interrelated to
everything else. The progression from beginning to end is an
important part that plays within it and I could go straight
into my dissertation from this point but we will have to
save it for next week.
Russ: all right. What I'll do is I'll just save this
Karra: and add it on.
Russ: and add it on correct.
Karra: yes okay.
Russ: now the one thing I have to question about is the
example of Sarah.
Russ: would you consider that as a drop being taken out of
the bucket and yet now being replaced?
Karra: yes, in the way, in a way. Sarah is the drop, the
drop that has been taken out and is being returned.
Russ: yeah, many full drops.
Russ: because her effects have affected many, many people
whereas it might not have before.
Karra: correct. Oh, Wellington boots. Okay, bye love.
Russ: bye love.
(Tia again makes a quick hand off.)
Tia: okay, I shall put her on and she wants to introduce
(Bunny comes on for the first time.)
Bunny: hello out there. Oh, not so loud
huh? Okay. You can help me with a translation. Huna is my
stage name. Huna means, I don't know what it would
translate, let me describe, it's a little rabbit.
Russ: hmm, interesting, well met, good to hear from you
what is the English version of a little rabbit?
Russ: the English version of a little rabbit would be a
that is my stage name.
in your speak........language.
Russ: if I could make an observation then at this point.
Russ: Huna in Hawaiian which is one of our small little
countries down here, a little state of our union, it stands
for a very psychic skill or psychically minded
Russ: kind of like a somebody who has a force, you know a
psychic force with them. It's called Huna.
ahhh, it means from where I come from little, long-eared,
or rabbit. Rabbits are perceived as spiritual.
they have to be clever, they have to create within
themselves rapidly. They have to listen hard. They control
their underworld environments.
Russ: interesting. By the way, nice command of the language.
thank you. You want to come up and have pleasure?
Russ: I always want to have pleasure. I'm not very solid
though up there I'm afraid, not like Mark.
Russ: I'm more erethral.
I'll give you.......what is to suck?
to suck on your member?
Russ: yes that is a......
Russ: that's all right darling, it's good to hear from you.
pleasure all both of ours.
Russ: indeed, I look forward to it. Huna, as I understand,
you're almost a celebrity?
Russ: as would be called down here.
gift for you and Karra to watch.
Russ: one of your tapes?
one of my holos.
Russ: excellent. I would look forward to that very much.
Russ: and I'm sure Karra would definitely look forward
to it very much.
Russ: thank you.
it's.......no. I am being told what I can and cannot say, I am
not used to this.
Russ: that's all right, we're getting used to this.
what is word that......someone like me?
no, in lots of partners.
Russ: oh, promiscuous?
that means lots of partners?
yes, is it common on your earth?
Russ: no, it's not very common. It's, it happens quite a
bit.......have Kiri tell you that one.
questions on morals.....
Bunny: is it a moral issue?
Russ: morally it is looked down upon and yet is accepted as
a common fact.
Russ: it's a contradiction.
but to give pleasure is good.
to share is good.
to bring happiness, good.
Nina: all these things....
Bunny: sharing, but looked upon not as good, why?
Russ: due to religion.
Russ: oh why. Because religion, the study of the various
religions we have here teaches that it is wrong because you
should stay with one mate instead of many mates.
Russ: because our.......
think quicker, it's quicker for me.
Russ: oh, oh our Bible with from Sananda when he was down
I got it.
Russ: got it.
I got it all from your mind.
Russ: okay, good job. All right....
so moral issue, hmmmm.
Russ: yes moral issue.
when I start college.
I study healing?
nervous senses and.....
hold on, I'm going to ask for a translation.
ahhh, thank you.
okay. Yeah because the sixth dimension you don't have that
a gift of pleasure, happiness, sharing is all good.
I don't understand your earth morals.
Russ: hmmm, you have to live it to know it and I
envy you and your morals as opposed to ours.
Russ: yours are much better than ours but yet we have to
live with ours.
Russ: this will make a good add-on to our general
information that we put out every month.
Russ: it'll increase people's awareness that our morals are
not as you know fantastic as yours are.
used equivalent to earth term for my name?
yes, explain that my name....
Russ: is Bunny?
Russ: I will do so.
so you put Huna/Bunny.
Russ: uh-huh. I will make the difference so they will
(Speaks some Sirian.)
(speaks some more Sirian.)
My Sirian's very bad.
(Tia returns as ring mistress.)
Tia: so is mine. (Says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: I'm not even sure what those last two were, Chill
Tia: don't ask me.
Russ: goodbye I'd assume.
Tia: uh-huh and I think so. Kiri's going yes and the other
one you can't...
Russ: (butchers some Sirian.)
Tia: it's what she was trying to say earlier.
Russ: oh, okay.
Tia: in other words, can you turn it off for a second? We
could also do with some....
(The tape is switched off and then back on.)
Tia: okay I'm a put Kiri back on.
(Kiri comes on from an absence on
Kiri: yo I'm back.
Russ: what up baby? We missed you.
Kiri: oh my God, she just spilled the beans.
Russ: did she now? That's a little unusual. I thought she
was going to wait for a while.
Kiri: Leah just told her.
Russ: fun time at the apartment tonight.
Kiri: well oh I see why she told her.
Kiri: she has a hicky on her neck that she can't hide.
Russ: oh. Yeah well that would give it away.
Kiri: uh-huh. Oh, they're bouncing up and down and hugging
and it's going to be fun.
Russ: girls night in the channeling room.
Kiri: no, they're both fully......well, if you can call what
Huna's wearing....sorry, Bunny's wearing.
Kiri: she is wearing basically a skirt, basically a bikini
Russ: one of your designs?
Russ: that will change.
Kiri: and stockings.
Russ: no top?
Kiri: no top.
Kiri: uh-huh. It's not, it's not taboo.
Russ: oh I know but it is still ROWWW.
Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway........
Russ: gravity doesn't affect some of you girls up there I've
Kiri: true, true.
Russ: I don't know, I don't know if it's PK or just good
Russ: it just seems like muscle control or something just
Kiri: just toning.
Russ: toning yeah? Gravity does not affect you like they do
Kiri: anyway, let me read.
Russ: didn't work?
Kiri: because I was trying to work on that and Huna/Bunny
was trying to help.
Kiri: you know she's a very talented young lady. I can't see
why she doesn't have any interest in manifestation or going
to a manifestation college but she wants to do theology and
I will help her with that if necessary.
Kiri: she tastes good too.
Russ: I'll bet.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, okay it starts off with.....can't really
read that part.
Russ: letter from Sarah part two.
Kiri: and it's the farewell letter from Sarah.
Kiri: uh-huh. And actually this is taken from a holo disk so
we can put this in that it's from a holo disk.
LETTER FROM SARAH- PART 2.
"Not being able to write anymore and knowing that my vision
is going, my sense of taste is fading, my hearing is as
sharp as ever. If anything, the losing of my sight is
improving my hearing. My senses of touch are staying about
the same. What is to come, I really want, oh how I want it.
I want the end to come. That the feeling of love of
everything grows with each day. The understanding of the way
things are for a particular reason. The cultural growth that
I have experienced in this limited length of time. It is
hard for me to feel any animosity to anything, to anyone.
Let me explain a little something that I have learned the
best that I can. The moral consciousness that develops with
experiencing the sixth dimensional world. When I first came
to this wonderful, luscious, green planet, the sense of loss
of home was overpowering but the love of the nuns
around me have helped me to realize that home is not on
is not here on Sirius, it is not there on Mars. It
is inside me, my memories, the feelings of those memories
and learning that what I once held as precious is even more
precious. By the fact that people understand that what I
did, I did as a gift for myself and for others. Sharing my
experiences with the most wonderful Kiri is some..." Sorry
Russ: no go ahead.
Kiri: is something that......I can't, sorry.
(Tia has to jump back on in a hurry.)
(Tis says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey. Now that's a different side of Kiri.
Russ: no, that's the same side.
Tia: yeah well what I'm trying to say is that normally she
controls.........oh my, now that's an interesting thing. She
had Mark's eyes going. So where was I? I don't think.....we
will try that again next week when she's over the hurt. Got
Russ: nothing right off the top of my head darling.
Russ: I don't know, did you hear the one I told Mark?
Tia: which one's that?
Russ: the one about their postmaster general?
Russ: really? Yeah it was in the news recently that the
postmaster general wants to go over all the personnel
records of all the post office employees?
Russ: because of all the attacks and stuff that had gone on
you know as far as people getting fired, coming back and
blowing away their supervisors.
Russ: so basically he wants to weed through the, weed out
those employees with aggressive tendencies.
Russ: the question is, what's he going to.....you know, what
then? What's he going to do, fire them?
Tia: (laughs) oh, okay. Okay she's got her act together
Tia: yes I know I should've thought of that before I left.
Sorry, it's an in joke up here.
Russ: oh yeah?
Tia: that I'm up and down, up and down.
returns after composing herself.)
Kiri: okay dude, I'm sorry about that.
Russ: no problem darling, I don't doubt it for a moment that
it would affect me the same way.
Kiri: okay, I suppose let me see.......don't have anything,
okay you want to hear what happened?
Russ: yeah, absolutely.
Kiri: okay, well went to quite a few tradeshows, both
swimsuit and engineering. Picked up a whole load of great
equipment which I can't discuss. Picked up oh......I've got
240 bolts of material.......let me see. Leonedies spent some
great time with other super operants. Doesn't feel as if
he's in such an exclusive club now. Alex, I'm starting to
get worried about him actually. He's so obedient, he's....
Russ: am I the only one who doesn't worry about Alex?
Kiri: yeah, pretty much so.
Russ: oh, okay. He's just like me.
Russ: when I was his age.
Kiri: if I told you at the age of four to stand, stand over
Russ: I would of, I was that kind of kid. Mom used to worry
about me all the time because I was too obedient she
Russ: she'd come to give us a beating and I just stand there
and wait and take it as opposed to my brother who she'd have
to go chase around the house and he'd get an even worse one.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yes but well he doesn't.....well you did
things to deserve a beating.
Russ: well, not really, fighting with my brother.
Russ: that's third dimensional thinking, that's different.
Russ: I was still......you know as soon as I got caught I
was very obedient.
Kiri: what about the paint stains?
Russ: what about the paint stains?
Kiri: the paint stains you put in the carpet.
Russ: I did?
Kiri: no, must have been something else. I can go and get
Bunny to probe you.
Russ: no thanks, I already got one headache tonight.
Russ: you know most of the good stuff I did, I never got
Kiri: uh-huh. But no...
Russ: yeah I know what you mean, he doesn't even do stuff
that he needs to get caught for.
Kiri: exactly. I mean like Mark said, just one day, I'd like
to be called down to his crèche to find out that he's done
something bad. He doesn't even get frustrated anymore. It's
like, whatever happens, happens. Even his crèche parents are
a little worried.
Russ: is he getting fatalistic or something?
Kiri: yeah, if it happens, it happens.
Russ: I can see it happening at a later age, maybe he's just
an early bloomer?
Kiri: uh-huh. If that's a bloomer then......
Russ: could be it's just a phase he is going through too.
Kiri: well that's what we're all thinking but it's a
worrying phase. You see.....
Russ: you have a kid that every parent on this entire planet
would die for and you guys are worried about it.
Kiri: he's.....I know he's my eldest son and my first child,
but from what I've seen from other parents even in his
crèche. I've sat down there and they talk about the mischief
that their children get up to and think that they got away
with and they turn around and they look at me and go,"well
Kiri, what has Alex done?" And I go "nothing". And they go,
"he's got to have done something." And I go,"no, he plays,
he tidies up, he fixes things that get broken, he sits
patiently and waits if he's told to sit. I've even tried not
telling him to sit, not to go near things. You know just
once I'd like him to get to some kind of mischief. What
stories am I going to tell about my first son?
Russ: well you're going to say your first son was........he
started off being a little unusual but now look at him, he's
a leader of a planet
Kiri: but he doesn't even have that drive.
Russ: well not now.
Kiri: who knows, who knows. I know you're trying to make me
not worry and we're getting close to the end of the tape as
well. Oh no, we've got a fair bit.
Russ: I'm sure there's kids down here who you know have been
similar but probably are just great people now, giants in
their own right.
Kiri: I'd like to think so.
Russ: look at Sananda, Sananda was not a kid who went out
and started causing trouble.
Kiri: you've only heard what they want you to hear.
Kiri: oh here's a good example of causing trouble and
causing worry. When he was 12 years old.....
Russ: he went to the Temple?
Kiri: uh-huh. Is that not causing trouble?
Russ: no, he was trying........he was learning.
Kiri: yes but but he caused trouble because he went away
from his parents.
Russ: no, he did not understand why his parents were
Russ: that's different.
Kiri: yes but if I was in the same......
Russ: his parents didn't say don't go to the Temple.
Kiri: yeah but he caused worry you see.
Russ: well yeah but he was still only 12.
Russ: he wasn't thinking on a sixth dimensional level yet of
what that would cause him to his parents.
Kiri: but Alex doesn't even do anything that would make me
Russ: because he is on a sixth dimensional level.
Kiri: he doesn't even climb trees like his little brother
Russ: well no, that's because he's....
Kiri: he doesn't climb trees like the Cubs. They're all of
Russ: he is just like Sananda would be if Sananda would have
been on the sixth dimension instead of third dimension.
Kiri: I know, you're trying to make me feel better. It's
just that I worry.
Russ: well I don't and you can tell him, uncle Russ does not
worry about you one bit.
Kiri: okay, let me see, let me see, okay. Spiritual growth,
I'm going improvise. No, better yet, coercion and what
is.......pause the tape. Okay, the importance of a clean
conscious and coercion. Coercion as I have discussed many,
many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many,
many.....not yet and many times, is important. Very
important, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
very, very, very......yes Russ?
Russ: don't be burning up tape like this just because you
have to burn up tape.
Kiri: very important. Okay, now where am I heading with
this? Let me see, where was I going?
Russ: nowhere, you derailed completely.
Kiri: yes I did, didn't I? Okay let's start again.
Russ: no let's not, let's just tell me all about Sirius.
Russ: go on to this next week.
Kiri: I'm planning on that, I'm kind of in one of
Russ: I know which is why I said, tell me about your trip.
Kiri: okay, what do you want to know?
Russ: well I want to know about Sarah, how to trip up to the
Kiri: oh, the trip to the monastery.
Russ: traveling on little burros and stuff and........
Kiri: burros? What's a burro?
Russ: donkeys for whatever you guys.......horses.
Kiri: oh, a mal.
Russ: mule, whatever you guys traveled up there on.
Kiri: yeah, a mal.
Russ: I want to know all about you don't what was
this......how was the trip? What happened? What did the kids
think of it?
Kiri: well, Alex behaved himself. Walked and walked and
walked until his feet got tired and then carried on walking
and I think he would have walked all the way if he hadn't of
started stumbling from fatigue. So I put him in the
backpack. I had Leonedies on my chest because he complained
after walking 100 yards that his feet were hurting and I
told him, why don't he fix his own feet? And he goes, "don't
want to." So we had a little argument over that. Then we
were hiking up and we got up to the cloud level which would
be...quick fast time....carry the three.....about 5,000
feet. And we got caught in a thunderstorm and there was hail
and rain and it was windy and it was cold and it was nasty
and it was wet and I had a warm spot on my chest and he was
all bone dry and I'm absolutely drenched. So I got Alex to
dry us out which serves no purpose whatsoever apart from the
fact of giving us temporary warmth whilst we got wet all
over again. So I had a debate with Leonedies about the
importance of shielding us to keep us dry. It got to the
point where it was my will against his and who has a
Russ: you do.
Kiri: of course. So he put a shield over us whilst Alex did
as he was told yet again and dried us out totally. We got up
to about the 7,000 foot level and the light was going so I
got Alex to manifest a light source and got Leonedies to use
his ultra vision so that we stayed on the correct course. We
got there at about 10 o'clock, well it would be about 10
o'clock if it was on Sirius. On earth.....on the base. As
time is, it was three hours after dark.
Kiri: we got there, we went straight to our quarters, I put
the children to bed and went down and checked in on Sarah.
Sarah was sound asleep when I got there.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: she had waited and waited and waited and she had
finally fallen asleep sitting in the chair waiting so I
helped to carry her to bed and put her to bed. Got up early
the following morning and this is all on the disk that I
Russ: I didn't get the disk yet.
Kiri: oh well nevermind.
Russ: I haven't been up to check it out.
Kiri: oh, then got up in the morning, had breakfast. Sarah
was already up and awake and she had done her normal
one-mile walk that she does every morning and she was
waiting for us. We sat down and we talked pretty much all
day whilst Leonedies went off with grandmother and looked at
the records and spent a a lot of time in the library and
helping grandmother with her, her work. Alex I sat down and
told him to read a book which he went through the whole
entire book from end to end and went through it again while
Sarah and myself were talking and then went through it again
and he could probably recite the book word for word by now
because I forgot about him I was so happy to see Sarah.
Remembered him at about 6 o'clock in the evening and the
nuns had been giving him food when they thought that he was
hungry and they were, "oh my, such a well-behaved, polite,
courteous young man." And he is, boringly so.
Russ: oh please.
Kiri: Leonedies had been off on the astral plane with his
great-grandmother, my grandmother. We sat down for dinner
and all of us, that's my grandmother, Sarah, Alex and
Leonedies all sat down. Leonedies got fed up with dinner and
decided he would go off and play. I wouldn't let him because
it's not polite for him to leave the table whilst
Kiri: whereupon he set fire to the chair. Alex just sat
there and watched the chair burn and did nothing. So I had
the spank him so that Leonedies knows that it is wrong to
set fire to furniture and that he should sit there and wait.
There was no point in letting him sit on the ashes because
it wouldn't have bothered him in the slightest. He would
have probably manifested it back together as one whole thing
but it's wrong and impolite and it's a moral issue that I'm
dealing with him. That was the second day, well the first
full day actually. Got up and joined Sarah on her walk with
Alex. Leonedies refused to get up because he was sulking.
Came back and after our walk and there was a whole load of
flowers in the room and Leonedies asking or begging for
forgiveness. Set up the recording device and we had a long
chat, Sarah and myself. Kept Alex with me this time and we
talked about growing and learning and development and what
she felt about things and what she thought about this, what
she thought about that. How she felt about her childhood.
You know, what she thought she did wrong, basically looking
at her life. In the afternoon after lunch, we went down and
we polished her return box, a little cramped for me. But it
feels very, very comfortable. Alex manifested a soft toy for
her which made her cry.
Russ: how neat.
Russ: that's good of Alex.
Kiri: yeah. Leonedies manifested a very intricate lot of
flowers. Very intricate petals and everything for her. Kind
of, "I can do better than my brother" routine. That's
something else that worries me but we'll leave that alone.
Kiri: okay that was the second day. We sat down and she fell
asleep eating dinner so put her to bed. Alex, Leonedies and
myself went out and star gazed and I pointed out special
stars like my mother did when I was little. And pretty much
that's how much the other three days went. The return trip
was very uneventful apart from the mal was a little bit
cranky so I had to coerce it. Being lighter on food and
stuff going down, I let Alex and Leonedies sit on its back
until it decided it was going to sit and not doing anything
so I coerced it. Didn't get caught in any rain. We got down
to the bottom of the mountain at about sunset just before it
started snowing up there. Spent the night at home.
Russ: how's your dad?
Kiri: he's doing great.
Russ: he is? How's Gonzo?
Kiri: Gonzo's doing wonderful and their young one's doing
Kiri: spent a very, very enjoyable evening with dad and
Gonzo. Dad took the children into town which left me and
Gonzo time to......
Kiri: yes, converse. The following day, drove back to the
space port, met up with Bunny and her sister and her
brother. And I spent the afternoon after dad left with Bunny
and she showed me around town and then we rejoined her
brother and sister and got on the shuttle back.
Russ: hmm, I have a question for you.
Russ: Bunny brought up an interesting point that I had a
question about. Tia is always going on about how our
decaying moral system down here is a lot of what's bringing
down our planet.
Russ: but listening to Bunny talk about the moral system
she's under, compared to the moral system we have, I have to
say yeah well our moral system is pretty weak compared to
her's but as far as where the two stand up, I'm getting all
Kiri: it's her set of morals.
Kiri: she is an entertainer.
Kiri: she is promiscuous as you put it. She doesn't
understand the promiscuous side of it, she doesn't know what
the word promiscuous means. She's totally confused by that
concept of that it's wrong.
Russ: must be nice.
Kiri: for your society it is wrong.
Russ: right, it wouldn't work.
Kiri: no because sex is frowned upon outside of marriage in
certain religious sects. It's frowned upon women between
women, men between men that's frowned upon. But it's the
pleasure side that the fact that.......let's say I was to
start hitting upon you correct?
Kiri: right? And you were under the belief that to have a
physical relationship with a bonded woman was wrong.
Telepathically, I would be able to sense that you are upset
by it. Even though you may be smiling and flirting and
playing along a little bit, I would know that you were
offended by it because of the underlying emotion of you
seeing it as wrong.
Kiri: so Huna, Bunny is able to understand when it is right
for her to be offering the gift of herself, offering
pleasure, offering fun, offering her love. She understands
that feeling that it's.....she's very empathic.
Kiri: that she knows when somebody is offended by it and
therefore doesn't do it. Being empathic, she is also aware
when somebody is in that sexual state.
Russ: lucky she didn't meet Mark a few years back.
Kiri: oh God, they would have been at it constantly. Being
who she is, she does have a slight chemical imbalance which
does give her that....
Kiri: yes, that libido. That libido in spades. She has been
offered medication for it. She told me on the flight back it
was one of the.....because I asked her, I said having a
heightened sexual arousal level and she goes, "what, you
mean being permanently turned on?" And it's sort of like
yes, and she goes. "Well I'm not permanently turned on."
Russ: she didn't seduce all the stewardesses?
Kiri: no. She's turned on about 90% of the time.
Russ: so she nailed the pilot. (Chuckles)
Kiri: no, she didn't need to. She is........she can take
medication for it. She doesn't want to because she feels and
it doesn't affect her thinking or anything and she can
control it herself.
Kiri: she doesn't think about it constantly.
Russ: it doesn't interfere with her life.
Kiri: no, it doesn't interfere with her life at all.
Russ: it probably enhances it a lot.
Kiri: certainly, certainly.
Russ: it enhanced mine big time.
Kiri: because she is being in that sexual state a lot of the
time, she's more aware of how people react. She senses
little changes in them. Her current object of
Russ: is her sister.
Kiri: uh-huh, is a karmic one I believe. I get glimpses from
her, or from both of them actually that they probably don't
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