Archivist Notes: This session was named
for a demonstration Omal did on offensive shielding. His
attempt caused a static discharge clearly heard on the
tape and an example of how much power the base
commander can throw around. Also on this tape was a
very enjoyable discourse from The Baron on his time as
a pilot for Ashtar Command. He will be missed and we
proudly present this in his honor. Fly high old
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The Baron: guten abend
Russ: guten abend Baron.
The Baron: we have little technical glitch, ein moment, one moment.
Russ: take your time.
The Baron: no it fixed now.
The Baron: we
have plug-in problem. I forget.
Russ: I was checking mine too to make sure everything was working but it seems to be okay.
The Baron: ahh. Okay we get down to
business, we have starting so we go,
The Barron: we
put on person who have for you to question.
(Watcher takes over.)
Watcher: okay, I answer.
Russ: okay, who's this?
Watcher: call me Watcher.
Russ: ahhh.... Watcher....ah. Okay, purpose and duties I know already, report on recent activities?
Watcher: you ask questions.
Russ: okay what is the latest........?
Watcher: I watch, I analyze, I work for two persons. I listen, I am a gatherer of informations. As I say I work......
Russ: you work for two people.
Watcher: yes, originally have one boss but request by Command for work on special auspices for second person so I do two jobs.
Russ: which you can't actually go into at all.
Watcher: no, this for me is not of hobbies as you would say.
Russ: ah I see, so this is kind of studying the indigenous species kind of thing?
Watcher: I see more of what you think then you think I sees.
Russ: okay good. All right.....
Watcher: why is that cat calling for its little ones?
Russ: well because they're here but they're all spread out and playing and so she's trying to gather them all together to be the mother thing. She has very strong motherly feelings.
Watcher: yes that is one of my bosses.
Russ: I would assume that would make a great deal of sense then at that point.
Watcher: yes she is not happy that my duties are split. As she would say, short staffed as is anyway.
Russ: ah I see.
Watcher: so I do more for Tia's than I do for Karra's.
Russ: ahhh well that's good. And you're able to access information on a local level or on a national level, even a world level down here too in the same sense correct?
Watcher: I do not have that kind of ability, I just watch, analyze and write what you would call?
Russ: hmmm, you would think they would expand your duties a little bit to make it more interesting for you.
Watcher: I am specialized.
Russ: oh, okay. Well that's good, I hope it's not too boring for you.
Watcher: ummmm, I've had more entertainment.Russ: I can imagine. Well there's a lot of tension going on right now. Mostly we've had, you probably noticed it, major blowouts.
Watcher: yes I've noticed.
Russ: just in the last three days, two days just over.....I don't know, it's weird it's just something we're all growing from it.
Watcher: yes I think so. I think it is best that I am being looked at and told to.....
Russ: cut it short?
Watcher: no, wind up.
Russ: oh wind it up, okay.
Russ: all right so let me give you a last question if I can think of of one real quick.
Watcher: (coughs) I feels that in my throats.
Russ: no doubt. Actually I don't have another question, I just want to thank you for the job you've been doing and all the time you're spending doing it.
Watcher: thank you's.
Russ: ok excellent. You guys have counseling as far as people that help you in gaining your consciousness progression towards entire consciousness correct?
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: do you have to go through similar situations like we do on Tuesdays where we're pushed to our mental and emotional levels?
The Baron: a long time ago yeah, now I am being ready for retirement.
Russ: oh, so no more pushing.......
The Baron: no more people telling me what to do, no more me telling people what to do, no more those pushing, no more standing with knot in stomach waiting for words to action.
Russ: okay well that's good. And how's the trip being planned back to your home planet? Going good?
The Baron: yeah....
The Baron: I am go home, I find out what they do to me when I get home.
Russ: oh excellent.
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: okay, so it could be a whole new reassignment kind of thing?
The Baron: I do not know. I do not like idea of inactivity.
Russ: well I'm sure they've got stuff that they can give you that would be more activity than I'll ever go through in my life.
The Baron: yeah well then was only take little bit.
Russ: true, true.
The Baron: we talk to others about it and we ummm...I explain we. We are ship and self. (Pilots form a symbiotic relationship between the ships and themselves.)
Russ: ahhh, excellent. Okay, now a question was posed recently about the need for escorts and stuff for various transports going between city ships and the various bases around Ashtar Command and other places.
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: who does those escorts?
The Baron: ah we do.
Russ: oh, I mean fully armed ships I assume but I mean are they like the higher like the best quality ships or are these more the back.......
The Baron: I have done tours on capital ships.
Russ: oh you have?
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: oh okay, so you get to you know cruise along escort then park your ship and go inside the capital ship and hang around for a while?
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: how is that on the capital ships?
The Baron: it is city within cities.
Russ: that is what I heard.
The Baron: it is like home, like many planets visit.
Russ: oh really?
The Baron: yaeh.
Russ: so all kinds of beings from all over the place, more than just Hades Base where you only have a representative of just a few.
The Baron: yaeh.
Russ: hmmm interesting, that would be a very interesting experience. Now what we have here is we have channels on earth who channel information of entities who live on the capital ships, or people who have astral traveled to the capital ships and given us back....
The Baron: reports yeah.
Russ: reports right. So we kind of got a good idea more or less if they're accurate on what goes on with the capital ships as far as the various levels and everything. But defensively there is nothing really to worry about because they're all in sixth dimension correct?
The Baron: correct.
Russ: right so your duty as far as escorting to a capital ship would just be in the transition from the various dimensions to that....
The Baron: yeah and also for honor.
The Baron: yes honor guard?
Russ: yeah, but they would need one?
The Baron: well it is more for us to honor them.
Russ: oh I see. I wasn't sure how that worked, because I mean I figure with you know the personnel and stuff, if you had a shortage of personnel it would take away from other duties somewhere else.
The Baron: no we have individuals, it is more like ah....what do you say....relaxation time?
Russ: oh okay kind of R and R, rest and relaxation. You know you do a tour of duty and then you know you get off from the war zone and you go and relax for a while.
The Baron: yeah but still active on patrols.
Russ: right, correct.
The Baron: so we keep our razor edges.
Russ: ahh excellent. But how do you do
that if you're going from a capital ship somewhere
and let's say they're both in the sixth
dimension like you're going from a capital ship to
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: in sixth dimension and you know nothings going to happen....
The Baron: you have not heard of pilot hijinks?
Russ: no I haven't heard of pilot hijinks. What the heck is......
The Baron: well as I cannot get in trouble I say, we use ships for training...
Russ: no way.
The Baron: and for...what you call very narrow passageways we fly down to test to sharpen skills.
Russ: oh strafing runs?
The Baron: what is strafing run?
Russ: like a warplane will come in on a target that's either flying, or floating, or sitting and come in real close and it would fire its guns in to strafe it in a series of bursts kind of thing.
The Baron: yeah but also for skill of flying down narrow pathways and for funs we have races down very steep pathways, very narrow pathways.
Russ: you think you would be giving those poor guys there flying their ships another couple extra years on their lives.
The Baron: it would be nice.
Russ: getting old before their time watching you guys go by.
The Baron: ah, I do not understand what you mean, I understand now.
Russ: ah yes right, what we call it, giving them gray hair.
The Baron: ah.
Russ: but you would be given them gray hair, you would just be adding more years of life going ARRGHHH.
The Baron: yeah, we get low, never heard of crash, all pilots are best of best.
Russ: oh really?
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: so no wonder you've done it a few times.
The Baron: yeah.
Russ: excellent good. So then your park your ship, you go in, and you kind of....you're the guys.....
The Baron: yeah. We are the....what you say?
The Baron: yeah hotshots. We have much fun and laughter over scaring poor people. Okay we get serious.
Russ: okay sounds good. Alrighty question wise, I really didn't have a whole lot tonight as far as questions going on about pilots and everything.
The Baron: okay I put on your friend, my
The Baron: okay?
Russ: sounds good to me.
The Baron: besides I think I need to give his arm a rest.
Russ: oh okay.
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings. Ummm hmmm.
Russ: I've been practicing shielding lately so it's good that you're in. I don't think I'll be able to gather much as way of you know making any efforts towards keeping you out but I love the practice.
Treebeard: hmmm okay. Research.....
Treebeard: okay, you thinking of many beings of questions for confirming suspicions on whether or not persons come to you for purpose that you are not sure of involving young persons of your planet. Suspicions of that nature are being correct in that you protect what you have knowing the ramifications of what could transpire if they were not as you perceive or wish it to be, that is correct?
Russ: uh hmm. (This line of research involved a customer of our internet café looking at inappropriate content but was later found out to be with law enforcement tracking such offenders locally.)
Treebeard: so looking for who and where is part of the confirming for you that your suspicions are either accurate or inaccurate. So in following the progression on suspicion is a wise and good line for you to follow by confirming you are doing a favor either way. If the person was involved in using your words....getting his bangs looking at young beings of your planet, then he would be found out and you would be erasing his contacts. But conversely, if he is of good intent, then he would be doing service as well as you doing service.
Treebeard: so it is both good that you
watch and analyze what is being done by this being
for either way. There is a way you can test whether
his actions are of being good intent.
Treebeard: I think it is best that you discuss with the host being aware of someone that has committed those crimes and knowing approximately the location of the perpetrator.
Russ: hmmm okay.
Treebeard: seeing what happens in that will give you correct lead on whether this person is being of good intent. To see the action being happening.
Russ: okay. Yeah it's definitely a problem here on this planet. Of course when you get up into higher dimensions you don't have to worry such things but on third dimension people have a very low sense of protectiveness towards our younger beings.
Treebeard: yes that is something that is hard to comprehend why they would do harm to beings of such limited experiences.
Russ: well two reasons is my personal opinion is one, that we live such a short amount of time, that they feel that like they've lost what youth that they had by getting older and not having.....
Treebeard: yes I understand.
Russ: that would give them that and also the fact that you know more power........it's just a controlling thing.
Treebeard: so these beings of looking for power and dominance over those that have none....get the feeling of strength from doing this. This is a wrong emotion.
Treebeard: I see that they would be looking for word, strong word being depraved.
Russ: umm hmm......absolutely. I suppose it's for people's.....there must be a learning lesson there somewhere I hope. Perhaps past lives and stuff but it's the only way I can understand how people could do that.
Treebeard: it is not of being good.
Russ: alright well I'll try that and see what happens and test it out and see if it's right. Everything that I've dealt with him though on it tells me that he is for real, I mean he doesn't come off as someone who actually is just trying to lie through their teeth though I'm not an expert judge of character like yourself would be. Being as I can't you know, go through someone's shields and determine the truth for myself.
Treebeard: from reading your thoughts, you are aware that most that do this are highly intelligent but have false wiring to use your term in their head.
Russ: right. Well yeah, it's a battle.
Treebeard: yes, okay moving along to something that will bring you up instead of depressing you, let us move along to our continuing discussion on what is aware and what not is not aware.
Russ: excellent, thank you.
Treebeard: as we were discussing last
time, certain species of fauna on your planet is
aware but on different levels of your understanding.
For example, I see little feets with pointed ears
and tails that are aware but with juvenile delight
and playfulness of being in activity and expenditure
of energy with purpose for learning necessary skills
that aren't necessary but aid in survival when
necessary being acted out. For example, the flight
down the steps being for a hunting trip.
Russ: oh yes.
Treebeard: the pursuing and biting and rolling and playing is learning the necessary physical tactile controls for these little beings. Like all of your aware species, it is part of their becoming aware that they act out these processes for their development. Now, moving back into fauna, there are certain species of faunas that act out their survivals and need certain power fluctuations for their advancement. You have power fluctuations then?
Russ: uh-hmm...just a little glitch.
Treebeard: ah, so being of a infinitely
longer period of awareness then the playful beings
that you have present is a different process of
instinctual behaviors and patterns. The patterns of
great wisdom and age in a fauna being is something
that is a different awareness level. The greater age
species of fauna such as your great trees is that
your movements and activities happen quickly and
therefore are of no worry or concern and
if actions transpire to take away their awareness,
then that is part of the growth for them. You have a
question being of how does that fit into
the spiritual growth? You would say that they are
being the early growth of a different form of
awareness. If you do the analyzing and thought
processes of what kind of awareness would being of a
long perception, you would come up with a possible
answer that I am unable to confirm or deny. But, let
us pursue that avenue for understanding to
facilitate your own growth.
Treebeard: so I put a question to you.
Russ: all right.
Treebeard: what species or being or entity would be the younger version of what they are now which is being a species that has a long perception of time being a moment to you may being of a infinite length of time or an infinite length of time for you being but a moment of passing for them?
Russ: and this would be in fauna I assume?
Treebeard: that is.....
Russ: I mean flora sorry.
Russ: oh fauna..
Treebeard: flora and fauna.
Russ: okay, umm I would say probably
some of the oldest trees as we're discussing before,
the bristlecone pine. Of which to them our mere 80
years on earth is just eight rings on a tree for
Russ: and they would see it as very short and yet for us it's a very long time but in their scale they would be more comparable to Sirians or someone with a very long lifespan to us.
Treebeard: yes but that is not where I
am trying to pursue.
Treebeard: what I'm trying to say is that you would say that you are the children of, in your youth you are children, in your maturity you are eighth and ninth dimensional beings and in your age you would being of higher. So what would the bristlecone being be?
Russ: it would be probably……a probably like third dimensional?
Treebeard: hmmm, let us look at this in a different light or from a different avenue. They would be young blanks, again using one of your thought processes and phrases.
Treebeard: ummmm, no. A bristlecone tree would be of without giving too much away on thought processes, a young antlered one.
Russ: a young buck.
Treebeard: hmmmm.....clear your minds, mind. You have just a few weeks ago walked the circle have you not?
Russ: uh-hmm. Oh I see...
Treebeard: so a bristlecone with being a young.......
Treebeard: yes, possibly. As I stated, it is something I can neither confirm nor denies.
Russ: I see what you're talking about. That would be hinting at a much greater awareness perhaps.
Treebeard: what is transpiring?
Russ: oh, our older cat is rather upset about the younger playfulness of our smaller brethren.
Treebeard: I suggest you do not, I suggest you grin and bear as it is necessary for learning of respect.
Russ: okay, it will certainly learn some respect if it comes down to that.
Treebeard: I think that juvenile mother would being present would watch out for young offspring to serve lesson in learning.
Russ: well it's going to be teaching respect for Ganja here who currently runs the house as far as cats go.
Treebeard: yes, okay let us continue and answer questions on being.
Russ: all right, now devas themselves of who as we have mentioned have but a mere moment to them is centuries to us.
Treebeard: or vice a versa.
Russ: vice a versa, right. Do they have any kind of set schedule, or not schedule....
Russ: no, not so much pattern.....agenda?
Treebeard: yes, I would assume so, I really do not know as to them I am a mere child. To see a pattern I would have to dwell for many days, many weeks, maybe many months to see a pattern and analyze in my non-dormant time, that is all I would dwell upon, do you wish to do this?
Russ: no, I do not wish to do that. I would just like to just kind of explore maybe just the outer fringes of that question.
Treebeard: (chuckles) okay.
Russ: for example, if I look at the history of devas and the etheric beings of our limited knowledge here on our planet and the stories that we've gone through, you would see from what we've had that they are more in tune with the growth of plants, rocks if they grow or stay the way they are, nature. Nature, they are very much in tune and in control of nature itself. But being as they are etheric beings and the substance of nature is just made up of molecules and basically they are merely manipulating the molecules. But they themselves aren't made of molecules are they?
Treebeard: they take on forms that they so desire in appearance. When seen as a form, they have molecules and beings. They are being of molecules all the time but more densely packed when you perceive them.
Russ: I see, so it's almost a loose collection of molecules that make up the deva and then they bring those together as they so desire.
Treebeard: it would be better to say it is a loose committee of molecules that debate when they are more densely confined in a compacted area.
Russ: I see. So it could almost be called a group consciousness of molecules?
Treebeard: you could also be called that, I could also being called that.
Russ: now that's an interesting thought. A group consciousness....well what makes up our mind and our brain, our toe, our knee, our finger?
Treebeard: all molecules of you are you from wherever. If you hold up your big digit, thank you, have a look at it. Say hello to a piece of Daneba.
Russ: hello a piece of Daneba.
Treebeard: look at another digit and say, hello piece of Sirius.
Russ: I see where this is going, we're made up of the same essence as the stars.
Treebeard: you, myself the.....
Russ: feline who wants out.
Treebeard: being made up out of, as you would say, the stuff of stars and I think he is being fed up with being pestered, it is an assumption I am trying to make.
Russ: I would assume you are fairly correct in that.
Treebeard: pick up one of the juveniles and say hello to a piece of a Betelgeuse star.
Russ: hi Betelgeuse.
Treebeard: so you are seeing where the progression goes.
Russ: right, okay. So the conscious thought that makes up myself and you and one of the little ones there and a deva are all the same thing. So the question I guess comes down to a point is, why do all those molecules get together to say, "well I think we're going to be this person or this deva or this Sirian, or....."
Treebeard: or that Sirian or this......
Russ: correct, right.
Treebeard: the answer
would be one that we can speculate on without taking
from your learning path.
Treebeard: it is difficult for me to give you a answer that would be easy to comprehend in your language even though it is fluid, is lacking in eloquency on meanings of word.
Russ: okay, so theoretically I should come up with the correct answer or an answer that best fits the question and give you that?
Treebeard: I think that would be self-evident would it not?
Russ: well it takes me a while jump to these self-evident conclusions as opposed to the ones that aren't so self-evident.
Treebeard: well it is easier for you to
come up with answers when given a gentle nudge from
Treebeard: moving to a different topic, we have been discussing my ability and I add to the explanation by saying that with the ability to probe also comes the ability to nudge possibly one way or another if the individual is receptive to the nudge.
Russ: hmm, good point. Now I did notice that in the probe that you used that my left side was more susceptible than my right side. Is that a right, left brain thing or is that just I'm more right-handed so I think with my right than I do the left?
Treebeard: that is part of the explanation. The explanation is I probe one way, you feel the probe, you shift energy so I do.....
Russ: you shift over to the other side.
Treebeard: which is now.....
Russ: which I expected so I switched back over.
Treebeard: but not fast enough.
Russ: ah well, that's where I'm learning is to get a little more faster on those shifts is to get the feel for the probe and shift over as soon as I know that you're going to be shifting over and it's.....
Treebeard: let me withdraw for a moment
and then we will show you a few other little
Russ: okay, sounds good.
Treebeard: to use a phrase that passed through your mind, know your opponent. Where did you?….thank you. Okay now I withdraw.
Russ: okay fair enough.
Treebeard: as I withdraw I will say
also, the comment was correct, you are predictable.
your shields back up.
Treebeard: okay I want you to tell me where you feel the push and how quickly, use your fingers to click for the change.
Russ: okay. (He does the probing while I note with my finger where it I coming from)
Treebeard: you have to be faster than that, you didn't even feel the return did you?
Russ: no I felt the probe, left side still, top part of my head
Treebeard: uh-huh, but you did not feel the reach around the back of the head and then the insert?
Russ: no, back of my head huh? Ah, see there I am, I'm favoring my right side front so I need to get stronger all around.
Treebeard: let me be less subtle, let me be like the juvenile lepidus.
Russ: ah, in that case it will really go through me like butter.
Treebeard: okay, I am disengaging.
(Treebeard is still speaking.)
Russ: a hammer.
Treebeard: on your top.
Russ: hmm, I didn't feel that one.
Treebeard: hmm, maybe I was too gentle on that. It is difficult to be harsh and not finesseful after many years.
Russ: true but still, it's nice though
that you know that I'm getting more sensitivity in
my shields to feel where I'm getting probed at.
need this practice for people who down here don't
have your skill but are still going to be working on
me. I can get a little more sensitivity in something
that's not even existing except in the etheric form
of my energy. Which is a rather unusual thing I'd
like to work on for a second too.
Russ: shields which require energy and use the energy of our aura and energy we draw in to power them are also a part of us that we can feel sensitivity to for example when you're probing on various parts of my shield and they become almost another extension of your body. And so from that extension of feeling that part of my body that's being probed on, it's almost like a muscle correct?
Treebeard: uh hmm.
Russ: okay and just like I can move my arm with my brain, it's telling my arm to move, I can exercise my shield in the same way as I would exercise my arm.
Treebeard: as a child you used to get a kick out of watching the individuals on the beachfront make money by being in a invisible box?
Russ: oh the mimes.
Treebeard: you have even tried to be one have you not?
Russ: oh well a little practice here and there in my own private little space.
Treebeard: see it as a opportunity to
relive that and being your encasement.
Treebeard: I do not like expending energy unnecessarily.
Russ: no I see what....I know what you
mean. Oh I see........but actually feel the
energy of the shield and not just......
Treebeard: that is correct.
Russ: I see what you mean.
Treebeard: so as a exercise
and you can even do it on the auspices that you are
getting back into your tai chi.
Russ: oh yes.
Treebeard: that you are doing that and
you will be able to do it at your workplace and the
young lady may even give you pointers on tai
Russ: good point.
Treebeard: but in actual fact you will be......
Russ: practicing shielding.
Treebeard: correct snd she may join you in doing tai chi which would be good for her mind, as I see that that is playing on you a little too.
Russ: uh huh. Hmmm, now with that, can I then use that in both learning how to use defensive and offensive shielding then?
Russ: from the tai chi,
you get an offensive as well as also a defensive
positions to work from. And so in extending out
energy wise, I can actually extend out offensively a
shield to ward off attack or to you know block an
Treebeard: uh hmm. Okay I am being also told to.....
Russ: of course, we are taking up too much time but of course as always very entertaining and knowledgeable. I needed this.
Treebeard: you are welcome. Now I will dwell briefly on....
Russ: don't please, only briefly.
Treebeard: you have much interest in that.
Treebeard: so I will for you dwell as a question.
Russ: okay but over tea maybe. Don't spend your whole off time working on it, just a maybe a cup of tea and think about it and see what happens but yeah don't use all your time up for it.
Treebeard: I will not be hasty in my answers.
Russ: fair enough, thank you very much.
Treebeard: to a hasty individual, enjoy yourself.
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
(The Baron comes on again.)
The Baron: okay we are putting on next person. We have to.....what you say......move our tushes?
The Baron: danke schön.
Russ: thank you.
Russ: hey sweetheart.
Karra: yes, I know that was very reminiscent of Kiri wasn't it? (Kiri also can do telepathic probes)
Russ: yes it was, very much so. He almost had me going there for a second. Going nahhh. How's it going dear?
Karra: (breathes deeply) does that answer it for you?
Russ: ah well, of course.
Karra: I hate to see you in pain.
Russ: well I do too actually
surprisingly enough. As much as I know the lessons
coming from it are vital and necessary for my growth
and learning, I can't like it anymore and it can get
going here. (Ed. note: My girlfriend
at the time was causing personal issues
in my life.)
Karra: hmmm.....I think things will change one way or another. Well they always do don't they?
Russ: well there is not much static around this place I'll tell you. If there was it wouldn't be our place.
Karra: no, no it wouldn't. Although I do myself like a certain amount of continuity and harmony.
Russ: well yeah but you have a thousand years to play around with that. You know in our poor little 80 years, you know.....
Karra: you have to live what I live in 10 years in one.
Russ: right, absolutely. So yeah, It can get going there.
Karra: and a thousand is a maximum. Very few live to that great age.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: in fact I do not know of any.
Russ: well your grandmother.
Karra: she is only 800 and something.
Russ: that's true and she is kind of getting on there.
Karra: uh hmm, I only know a few that are older and then only by maybe 50 years at most.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: the abbess at her convent was in her late 800's when she went to her rest.
Russ: hmmmm interesting. I have a
question for you darling.
Russ: this relates back to what Treebeard and I were talking about. If you and I are both molecules that have agreed to come together as a body, then our molecules should be....shouldn't that be something that when I use my astral ability, is I'm just taking part of my molecules and taking them up there right?
Russ: okay and then what Mark does is to reassemble them up there once he gets there.
Karra: and he collects more as he arrives.
Russ: right, because he needs extra. So what is actually going up there, what part of his molecules are actually traveling to Hades Base?
Karra: just his consciousness.
Russ: how may molecules does that take?
Karra: you want it in a specific number?
Russ: no, I'm just kind of curious is if there is a specific number or if there is like an amount.
Karra: if you were to measure it, it would probably weigh maybe about 16 to 20 ounces.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: uh hmm.
Russ: wow, that's a lot.
Karra: uh hmm, but it takes up a very little space or it can be spread out.
Russ: interesting. Okay.
Karra: hmmm, actually that....hear me through on the thought process for a second.
Karra: okay, if Mark travels up here and is in his normal form but just in the consciousness, then that would be very dispersed. But if he compacted it, oh.......this may be a lesson for him too. If he compacts it to a very tight, tight pin size, then.....
Russ: less energy is used.
Karra: less energy is used and it attracts more matter and molecules.
Russ: sort of like a black hole kind of thing?
Karra: uh hmm, but in miniature.
Russ: I see.
Karra: so as it spreads as it collects more matter together and molecules, it grows to his full hundred and 70 pounds.
Russ: so in other words, he could actually....
Karra: that's how he does it.
Russ: and he could propel that faster if he was compacting it smaller?
Karra: uh hmm. I think that's how he does it you know, is makes a solid jump.
Karra: he compacts it and creates a small little gravity well which sucks in matter and energy.
Russ: I see what you mean.
Russ: hmm, so in other words, he could take molecules that are just dust laying on the floor and all of a sudden you have this clean spot on the floor and a full Mark.
Karra: yes, I'd have to watch that.
Russ: that'd be interesting.
Russ: now how does the consciousness know enough to be able to reassemble itself and.....oh yeah because it's just a basic cloning process.
Karra: uh hmm and it's Mark.
Russ: yeah, so Mark knows...so actually because it's that 18 to 20 grams of molecules, they all know the original, if you could have just one...well a bit more.
Karra: no you need the consciousness. One would not make up a consciousness.
Russ: so it's a group consciousness. What about the molecules he pulls in from up there? Do they suddenly become part of that group consciousness?
Karra: they become under the control of that group consciousness.
Russ: oh I see, and when he leaves what happens to them?
Karra: they return back to their original state.
Russ: so all of a sudden somebody's got to go out and clean the dust up after he leaves.
Karra: well the molecules are floating around all over the place. For example, there is a big chunk of molecules.
Russ: oh okay, I see what you mean.
Karra: yeah molecules are everywhere.
Russ: that's right, because air is made up of molecules.
Karra: uh-huh. So when he pulls them all together, he creates himself in duplicate.
Russ: so when I go there, I'm more spread out and dispersed.
Russ: now what would happen if I try to compress myself down to a pin size?
Karra: you may create that gravitational well. But, you've got to remember that when Mark first did it, what almost happened?
Russ: he almost died, well he got almost
Karra: uh hmm, and he was even then a very experienced astral traveler.
Russ: oh yeah, that's right. Still I could take it down to a less compact size or a more compact size.
Karra: uh hmm, which you have done in the past.
Russ: yeah which I have done in the past. But that's the key though, that's what I'm not doing now, is I'm not compressing it down enough.
Karra: uh hmm, let's say we reduce it by three quarters.
Karra: and let the matter fill in the rest. Either you'll be a quarter your normal height, or...
Russ: well our kids would sure have a good time with that.
Karra: uh hmm, somebody their own size to play with. Even a little shorter than that.
Russ: a little shorter than actually yeah.
Karra: uh huh...the Cubs may have a time to play with you.
Russ: okay I see, yeah take it down to the quarter size, now would that possibly though attract other molecules just because I am getting smaller?
Karra: hopefully, hopefully.
Russ: hopefully right.
would be something just to practice without astral
traveling though. Just use a mental amount to
compress my consciousness just sitting around.
Russ: hmm, interesting......okay.
Karra: hmm, that would explain why he doesn't have the nicks, cuts and scratches because he's not cloning himself totally.
Karra: but down there he has the cuts and scratches and nicks and cuts that he normally has. Talking of which, I know what you forgot.
Russ: oh, the stuff for that....yeah, that was put in last week.
Karra: uh hmm....we will wait until Skip is up next for that.
Russ: okay good. All right.
Karra: and what we will need will be a........we're going to add to it, going to add some tools. We will need a whole thing of garlic.
Russ: a whole clove, I mean a whole garlic bulb?
Karra: uh hmm...a garlic crusher.
Russ: a garlic crusher, we have one.
Karra: uh hmm, we'll have rosemary,
Russ: fresh rosemary.
Karra: and tobacco.
Russ: oh yeah that's right, tobacco. What was the one Skip was talking about?
Russ: Bull Durham.
Karra: Bull Durham.
Karra: just think of Kevin Costner.
Russ: yes absolutely.
Karra: I had to wait until you thought of a name.
Russ: sounds good to me.
Karra: uh hm...so...
Karra: language please.
Russ: oh, sorry, my mistake.
Karra: what did you forget?
Russ: I forgot to put these someplace....
Karra: ahhh...oh yes.
Russ: ahh yes, all right that's an interesting side scenario with everything that's going on.
Karra: uh hmm.. I'm keeping out of it.
Russ: of course you are dear, wise move.
Karra: uh hmm... I'm not even going to advise because I'm taking away from your lesson if I do.
Russ: correct, absolutely. I mean for me it looks like a very interesting challenge for my consciousness and I look forward to the challenge. I'll meet it head-on.
Karra: whatever you do is the right thing by me.
Russ: okay, got all that stuff and we'll set that up for next week, perfecto.
Karra: but when you get a little uptight, don't go "Karra, what do I do?" Because you know I can't help.
Russ: (laughs) of course dear.
Karra: you've done that once.
Russ: have I?
Russ: oh well, I'll try to avoid that in the future if I can.
Karra: it's natural.
Russ: I know, it's just a habit I suppose but I'll try not to do that as much. You know I want to be self-reliant.
Karra: well I think to myself when you did that, "sort of like hmm, what's up? Oh, he's got to do that himself".
Russ: that's right, well just tell me that you know?
Karra: I won't even do that, I would just do with it did last time, "oh, back to work".
Russ: yeah right, I remember. Well that's okay if I don't figure it out right away, I'll take a second more and figure it out then.
Karra: uh hmm... sometimes that pause is useful.
Russ: uh hmm.. I agree.
Karra: uh hmm.....okay.
Russ: all right, being told to rush along here?
Karra: uh hmm..
Russ: I figured as much. Thank you very much my sweetheart.
Karra: you're welcome my love.
Russ: it is great to hear from you.
(The Baron comes on once more.)
Russ: excellent, thank you.
The Baron: and then we wrap up, I believe we have little time left, is that correct?
Russ: quite correct.
The Baron: okay we get down to pressing
business and we.......
Russ: we have 20 minutes left.
Russ: 22 minutes actually Omal.
Omal: okay, how do you know that?
Russ: half the tape is gone, so therefore it's a 45 minute tape, 22 minutes more or less.
Omal: more or less. Okay, that was very interesting that last comment by the Baron. Umm, he was trying to think of a word and could not think of the word in any language.
Russ: in any language? Now that's unusual.
Omal: that is very unusual.
Russ: I mean even for anybody, that
would be very unusual.
Russ: I mean you usually have at least a word for it in your own language to get going toward that point.
Omal: yes that was very unusual but Karra....let us not discuss it.
Russ: fair enough.
Omal: yes, but I think it is self-evident on what that is part of the symptoms of.
Russ: oh okay.
Russ: and how is yourself sir?
Omal: I am functioning within specified parameters.
Russ: I always like to know that.
Omal: thank you. Okay, let us answer questions.
Russ: okay great, got a bunch of them. Mostly from what we've already gone through to this point.
Omal: yes I believe everything was set up very well.
Russ: I agree with that and that's a nice way the Baron set this all up.
Omal: he works very hard on it.
Russ: it's very good, it shows. Okay first off, let's go back into shielding.
Russ: all right, getting the sensitivity
down, shielding sensitivity training. All right,
when I'm feeling the shield being probed.......
Russ: it's not a sensation that I can put toward an actual sense of touch. For example, hot, cold, hard and soft.
Omal: it is a feeling in a particular area.
Russ: correct, okay. So what I need to do is, I need to increase the sensitivity. For example, I didn't notice when he came through my top, I didn't notice when he came through from behind.
Omal: okay I will make it easier.
Omal: just warming up the finger.
Russ: ah okay.
Omal: okay, I'm going to use a finger, hello finger, hello Sirius, hello Deneba.
Omal; okay, let me rotate the body.
is better. Okay,
will feel the direction.....
Omal: good…I do like these trick shots. (starts testing my shields from various angles)
Omal: okay, this will be feather light.
Omal: okay, this will be a little lighter.
Omal: let's try it again, I will do it Treebeard light.
Omal: and I will give you a length of time.
Russ: okay.Omal: okay again.
Russ: a little bit, a little bit. The first time was a lot more.
Omal: uh-hmm, I'm bumping down
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: okay and the last one...sorry.
Russ: boy that was kind of like a low bounce echo type thing.
Omal: that jumped when it wasn't
Omal: I got an energy influx. Let us try it again.
Russ: okay. Yeah.
Omal: okay, that was Treebeard light.
Russ: okay so, that was tight, very tight.
Omal: we will work more on that.
Russ: okay, all right.
Omal: okay but that is ademonstration. For example, you felt all of that correct?
Russ: yeah. That was a pull out of my shields, then top it off, put it back a little bit, come back out again.
Omal: uh hmm..
Omal: it is very entertaining around here.
Russ: oh yeah, never a dull moment in this place.
Russ: alright so it's basically, now
that was a example of manipulating someone else's
Omal: uh huh.
Russ: okay, now is that something that takes practice or is that just something that can be picked up?
Omal: no, it's not something that can be just picked up, it's something that takes practice.
Russ: okay. Hmm now, I assume that you can also do that without the other person knowing you're doing it?
Omal: you mean pulling at their shields and taking energy away to use on yours?
Omal: ummm.....yes it can be done.
Russ: all they'll feel a little bit tired, a little more tired, using more energy to try to keep their shields going.
Russ: at which point the more energy they expend to keep their shields going, the more tired they get, therefore they're more susceptible to being probed.
Omal: correct, however also when you are taking their energy it may not be compatible with yours.
Russ: can't you change over the frequencies and adjust it yours?
Omal: then you leave yourself open. If you are not experienced......
Russ: I see what you mean,
then yeah, you could be actually, it would be like
taking somebody's headache away from them.
Russ: if you're not channeling through the energy cause it feels right and compatible with yours, then you're going to catch that headache.
Omal: yes you have to either lower your frequency or adjust their frequency up or down. I believe Karra discussed that some time ago.
Russ: uh-hmm correct. Yeah it's always a tricky position anytime I do it.
Omal: uh hmm...so it is best not to do that.
Russ: not to take from other peoples shields, okay. Now, in offensive shielding, Treebeard and I discussed this for a little bit. When extending out your shield in an offensive way, it's set up so that you can then go ahead and then affect the other person's energy pattern correct?
Omal: uh-hmm, correct.
Russ: how do you determine need compared to using defense?
Omal: body language, stance, proximity
and mentality and mood. Okay let us do a bit of, we
can talk as we do this, a little bit of earth
Omal: for a quick offensive lesson.
Omal: okay, what I am doing at the moment is collecting energy. Okay I am making an energy ball.
Omal: okay it is going to be your target. Your hand, will assume this kind of action and you will grab it. You won't actually grab the energy, it will be your shielding around your hand grabbing the energy and attack the energy, breaking it down. Now we can see the energy ball.
Russ: (laughs) oh I'm sure you can.
Omal: you can't. Such as, visualize a penny. (one of his favorite manifestation objects)
Omal: I can see it, you can't. Okay, are you ready?
Russ: I'm ready.
Omal: okay, batters up and.....go. Okay, you missed it.
Russ: did I?
Omal: okay I will not put spin on it this time and I will do it as a gentle, lazy lob. Okay, break it down. Hmmm okay, let us try that again.
Omal: hmm...little better I think. It is something that you....it is not a good analogy for you.
Russ: still it's good practice for me
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: uh hmm......I cannot think of a useful analogy that would be appropriate to make it easier for you.
Russ: okay but you're using offensive energy.
Omal: uh hmm.
Russ: and I'm.......what the hell? (tape gets a weird static bleeding through all of a sudden)
Russ: that was a little unusual.
Omal: I am sorry I overloaded the......we know where the first one went.
Russ: yes, I would say so.
Omal: I do apologize.
Russ: that's all right, that was quite a demonstration.
Omal: I believe that is the proof that you were seeking.
Russ: yeah, yeah no argument there. Still I certainly I have no doubts on my end, not that I ever do but.....
Omal: I do apologize.
Russ: no, no, that was quite an actually.....it's just a glitch. You know you sent it over and it fried just that section.
Omal: uh hmm. Yes okay let us continue, I will not throw you any curveballs.
Russ: okay, a little bit too much spin on the first one there I think.
Omal: what surprised me was that it bounced around and we did not track it once we lost it....yes we were negligent.
Russ: (laughs) I like that though Omal, it's definitely a good demonstration of your manifesting abilities.
Omal: now if I can manifest this feline to behave itself.
Russ: (laughs) now that's a trick and a half. Whew, okay. I'm almost sorry we rewound that, I like to have Mark hear that one.
Omal: I think there was enough that will
be on there. After all we only got rid of the test
at the end.
Omal: okay, where were we? Oh yes, practice on blocking energy balls.
Russ: (laughs) okay.
Omal: this also proves that I am not the flawless being that I am sometimes portrayed as.
Russ: yes indeed. It certainly adds a humorous aspect to our channeling sessions.
Russ: oh man, that was strange.
Omal: I don't think I have done that in many years, I think I have done it a few times when you were present at earlier sessions. Back in Sedona. (with a different channel by the name of Roger Pinion who originally introduced me to Omal and Korton.)
Russ: okay, that would make more sense then.
Omal: yes but that was not totally my doing. Alcoholic beverages do tend to affect both the host and the channeler.....channelee.
Russ: yes, too funny. All right anyway, so blocking offensive attacks.
Russ: and making offensive attacks. So obviously when you did that, you gathered the energy up.
Omal: I deliberately was very large on the actions and the behavioral patterns.
Russ: right, you could actually do that without even moving a muscle.
Omal: correct. You know, bringing the energy within front of you and then visualizing the push and it's on its way.
Russ: oh so that's the offensive end of that?
Omal: correct. Normally it would be done very rapidly, for example, okay there we go. And...fire.....fire....fire........fire.....very rapid.
Russ: okay all right now a question, this goes on to the next part of....
Omal: I am listening for the....I just realized we fired directly up and the feline is over there so........
Russ: they missed.
Russ: good. All right now this goes back to what Treebeard was talking about how the molecules come together in a conscious form to form us.
Russ: with that in mind, when we're forming this energy ball to itself to go somewhere, we're actually controlling those molecules to act in the form that we want them to act in.
Russ: now what, they have no conscious decision in this I assume?
Russ: they merely act upon our wishes.
Russ: which is basically the same as anything solid, unsolid, whatever, those molecules merely act upon our desires or wishes.
Omal: correct, it is like my explanation a while ago on, let me demonstrate.
Russ: (laughs) another demonstration, oh we're full of them today.
Omal: oh yes, this is a perfectly harmless one.
Omal: okay it will not do any energy
overloads because I'm not using energy to overload.
Omal: I am using molecules to affect a storm track.
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: okay there we go. I have altered the course of the impending storm just a minimal, minimal, minimal level. It is the old analogies of....
Omal: yes correct. The butterfly beating its wings and changing the course of a typhoon in China.
Russ: correct, okay.
Omal: so on a quantum level, everything affects everything else.
Russ: hmm, okay. And so with that in mind, our actions are actually more easily demonstrated in sixth dimension where you're able to analyze those changes from those molecules far more efficiently than you would on third dimension.
Omal: correct, but as was demonstrated, the tests can be seen.
Russ: good point, good point as well, we learned that too I suppose?
Omal: uh hm..yes. I must not be so relaxed and lazy in my demonstrations.
Russ: well I don't know, that was pretty hilarious. At least there is not a lot of people in the room to get nailed by that too though.
Omal: correct. I would hate to have a room full and knock half of them over with a bouncing energy ball.
Russ: well if that's what it does tape, good God.
Omal: especially with a group of sensitive beings all together in one place.
Russ: hmm...now this is what you mean by offensive energy?
Russ: the more sensitive you are, the more affected you are by it or?
Omal: correct, yes, yes. I would hate the it to be every time I launch an energy ball for people to shout "duck" or what would be another word? Ummm...
Russ: heads up?
Omal: heads up, catch the energy ball. New sport for you.
Russ: there you go.
Omal: energy volleyball.
Russ: energy volleyball, energy
Russ: well this has definitely been an enjoyable night. Wow, a lot going on, I'm looking forward to practicing.
Omal: it is useful.
Russ: especially the part about you know, working on affecting the energy around me.
Omal: that's correct. I think Leonedies
gave a good demonstration on when he was taking
energy from you and giving you energy when you were
discussing things a while ago?
Omal: how he created energy balls by deliberately showing the actions.
Russ: right, well yeah and he's had even more demonstrations of that up there. That for example, becoming a older person.
Russ: that's just a matter of collecting the energy and then forming it around you to become another person.
Omal: that is correct.
Russ: so it is actually kind of a simulacrum correct?
Russ: now is that what Mark is doing? Is creating a simulacrum of himself there?
Omal: yes, basically.
Russ: I see, I see, so it's not the
(A kitten knocks over the mic stand)
Russ: (Speaking to the kitten) I'm going
to take you and turn you into jelly squirts...all
Omal: I think they would make very
Russ: very little jelly. Okay, so it's not the actual Mark, it's a portion of Mark.
Omal: correct it is the essence of Mark with molecules forming.
Russ: okay for example, when we have
other aspects of ourselves, other parallel lives or
dimensions, those are actual versions of ourselves.
Russ; it's not the same thing as what Mark is doing.
Russ: I see, that clears that up
Omal: but you are an aspect of yourself in another dimension looking at you from the other universe.
Russ: I see, okay and the reason is because those molecules are connected on an etheric level with my molecules here.
Omal: in essence yes.
Russ: okay and that is why my actions here affect the molecules on other parallel lives and vice a versa?
Russ: okay, so when something happens to me, I can or cannot blame it on my parallel lifetime person that says....."you know....."?
Omal: that says "let's go surfing."
Russ: right, or whatever.
Russ: then it's actually, a lot of it still has to do with me.....
Russ: but I assume there is some sort of rub off somewhere.
Omal: umm.... You are basically the same person in parallel universes but just a little bit more different. So the further you go, the more different you are.
Russ: so would you say that I myself am the center of those or how does that work?
Omal: you are neither out of the center
or in the center. It depends on where you are.
Omal: okay if we go back to the
discussion on parallel universes, everything is a
little bit more different. You could go from your
current one to the next one and it would be hardly
Omal: it may be as noticeable as the font on the computer is slightly thinner or your skin pigmentation is slightly darker but hardly, barely noticeable.
Russ: I see what it is and if you go to the very far end of that scale, it would be wildly different but that person looking out with see it going out in an opposite direction toward where I'm at.
Russ: and to them, I would be widely out of sync.
Omal: and there would be even more further out from them that would be even more wildly different.
Russ: I understand. Okay, so I'm neither the center nor am I....
Omal: on the extremities.
Russ: extremities, right. I am merely me.
Russ: in my universe doing what I am doing now.
Omal: but, this is where it gets a little complicated.
Russ: (laughs) I knew this was coming.
Omal: okay you are thinking linear.
Omal: that way
and that way.
Omal: but what's to stop you from going that way and that way.
Russ: forward, backward.
Omal: and this way and that way and that way and this way and this way and that way?
Russ: yep, so many changes.
Omal: correct, there is a center and everybody is at that center.
Russ: every version of ourselves is that that center.
Russ: right, I see what you mean, okay.
Omal: okay, we must be getting close to wrapping up.
Russ: yeah we are, we're really close.
Omal: okay let us answer, let us ask a few more questions.
Russ: okay well I don't have too much more to go here.
Russ: umm.....oh conference.
Russ: uh-hmm. Okay right now we are on to the getting the third channel going, the Zeta Reticuli.
Omal: okay good.
Russ: we have the Arcturians already.
Russ: should we worry, or should we do any research upon the Pelladian end of it yet or let that come together after we get the Zeta in since that's the most important?
Omal: ummm......I think you are doing the appropriate thing. The Zeta's are the main, what is the point of having three allied groups together if we have nobody to sit down and discuss with?
Russ: right. I mean for example, the gentleman we have with the Arcturians already channels Sananda.
Omal: uh hmm...yes I know.
Russ: that makes it fairly easy for us so there's not going to be a whole lot of room for....
Omal: wonder how that happened?
Russ: what a shock.
Omal: shock, horror, stunned.
Russ: absolute disbelief.
Omal: send him Sananda's joke.
Russ: hey there's a good idea. I'll have to post that, I think it's on the web.
Omal: I believe it is.
Russ: all right I'll make a link to that page. All right and then......
Omal: no, just the joke.
Russ: oh just the joke okay. So we'll work on then on getting the Zeta's going.
Omal: he probably has the same joke.
Russ: yeah you're probably right. Okay, all right so Zeta next and then we can get going.
Omal: yes, it would be useful to have another one of the opposed groups.
Russ: like the reptoids.
Omal: that would be useful.
Russ: alright I'll work on René and see how he is doing on whether his decision has changed or not.
Omal: I don't think it has but he may know somebody that does.
Russ: good point, good point. Any other opposed groups we should think about?
Russ: Zeta's, reptoids......
Omal: we are probably overlooking.....
Omal: okay let us move along.
Russ: okay, anyway, that's all I have for questions.
Russ: I was going to call it quits. We're getting close to end and I know that the Baron wants to wrap up.
Omal: okay yes he does.
Omal: but I don't think he would argue with me although in the past he has told me.
Russ: well thank you Omal, it's more than entertaining as always.
Omal: you're welcome. Live long, prosper.....
Russ: thank you.
(The Baron finishes out the
The Baron: ah greetings ya?
Russ: sorry I'm having to corral a couple little youngsters here.
The Baron: ahh ya.
Russ: giving me more grief than I planned on.
The Baron: what is the youngsters been doing?
Russ: oh they're growing.
The Baron: ya.
Russ: doing their learning thing. Anyway always is fun, it was an enjoyable session.
The Baron: yeah you seem to to have much humor from the....what is word? Is cockup from Omal.
Russ: yes, absolutely. It definitely makes for an interesting sideline. I can't wait until Mark gets back and tell him about it.
The Baron: ya I think you will enjoy yourselves telling what is happened.
Russ: that should be a good one. Well I hope you have a wonderful week and we're having Thanksgiving tomorrow. Do you guys think about doing anything for Thanksgiving?
The Baron: what is this
Thanksgiving? Well that answers the question ya?
Russ: there you go.
The Baron: what is Thanksgiving?
an American concept from our continent here when we
first got to this continent we....
THE TAPE ENDS.
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