LIFE FIGHT (Recording Date Unknown)
Archivist Notes: This session like so many
of them started by unwrapping a tape and slapping it in the tape recorder
just as the session started. We
would then label them (or not sometimes) at the
end of the session. This was one of the ones
where it was missed. Because of references in the
tape, the date had to be before July of 1998 or so
due to the Pope's
intervention in a Texas execution and last month's podcast.
Tia takes us down memory lane to start off with as we
revisit the Clinton presidency and she points out how
international events always seem to pop up anytime investigations
are ongoing. She also runs the gamut of ways
to improve on getting the
astral body free of the physical
one. Omal takes up the rest of side one by
going over why emotional
outbursts take place and goes straight
into how the
sacrifice of a life without a worthy
deserves a fight to the death with death. Sananda's
time as Jesus
is used as an example of meeting
one's maker by leaving an immortal
On side two, Karra and I go over whether
Sananda could see how his actions would affect the present
day but have to give up the effort as only
guesses. Lower dimensional being such as
ourselves are left with only conjecture
from there but personally I'd
place a wager at the casino on
such a scenario. Leah
gives us some valuable advice on how to boost the
mind's processing power by using a
robotic arm as a visual aid. Bunny
wraps up things with a recounting of how she
was able to resolve the relationship issues
between her sister Leah and Lyka. Return
visitors to the site will
remember the first time the problem was relayed by
Leah at the time of "The
Bunny Monster" podcast. The link provided
take you right to her conversation.
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(Tia breaks out the whip and chair to take
on her Ring Mistress duties.)
Tia: oh, he left did he?
Tia: okay, let's amplify the field so we can see you on the
holographic projection. Okay, wave. Good, okay stick your
finger on your nose or your thumb on your nose and twiddle
your fingers. Okay good. Stick one finger in one ear and
another finger on the top of your head and say red
Tia: good. okay, business, business, business, business. The
market and its continued erratic behavior. 8,200 and
goodness knows what at the moment. It's climbing and this is
due partly to the way the government is tied up. Now,
something that I've noticed and it's very entertaining to
watch, is whenever there are political woes in the White
House or in the Senate or in the House, the stock
market does what? It climbs. And it's not just because of
the positive figures that come out, it's due to the fact of
that plus the fact that the government cannot interfere. Now
most of these people involved in these scandals actually
have stocks and shares and bonds and dividends and
commodities and so on, futures, all in the stock market. So,
why does the stock market climb whilst the political
turmoils go on? Well this is because investors see it as the
government is not able to interfere as much as normal when
it's tied up with all its woes. Talking of woes, just a few
weeks ago there was a crisis, major, major, major crisis and
it was the Lewinsky tapes. Now it seems to be taking more of
a backseat to other woes going on in the Middle East, Iraq
mainly. Now it's funny that every time there are woes in the
White House, some international crises materializes and
depending on the severity of the crisis in the White House,
depends on the severity of the international crisis. Have
you noticed that Russ?
Russ: well Paula
Jones wasn't that much of a crisis
internationally, we still have Iraq but it wasn't anything
to where it is now.
Tia: uh-huh. In actual fact, there is no difference between
now and the Paula Jones incidences with Iraq. It's just that
now is a time to take action, to do something about it.
Russ: well it would seem that they were almost asleep during
the Paula Jones one.
Tia: there was the thing going on with the inspectors and
everything but it was more along the lines of well
"sanctions, let's do sanctions, let's talk about it, let's
see what we can get Saddam Hussein to do, let's
move a few more troops into the area" but there wasn't the
discussion on whether or not military action should be
taken. Now there is a discussion on military action, what
should be done, "should we assemble a coalition of forces to
go in there and attack and you know do something about it?" And
looking at how the two incidences in the past run together and
makes me think that this time the crisis in the White House
is major. Because now evidence is coming to light of not
just the promiscuity which is totally irrelevant and it's up
to the individuals involved on what to do but the fact of
tampering with evidence and lying, perjury. Tampering with
evidence and perjury are two major, major no-no's. And what
is happening with these......and you've got the kettle
Tia: okay. What is going on is a sign that the situation in
the White House is very dangerous. So, by diverting the
attention away to this major crisis in the middle east
which is no worse than anything else that's happened in the
past, is diverting everybody's attention from what is going
on. It's funny how that happens isn't it? It's almost like
manipulation which it could be, could very well be. It's
more than coincidence that every time that there is
investigations going on, that something international
Russ: well what's going on with Whitewater?
Tia: Whitewater? That's still being investigated.
Russ: yeah but what was happening internationally while
Whitewater was being investigated?
Tia: nationally I believe there was the......
Tia: internationally? I think and I'd have to pull up my
notes which I don't have with me, I wasn't expecting you to
ask me that question.
Russ: oh. I don't remember there being any international crisis' at
Tia: well there were actually a few not so much crises but
things going on. There was the planning and getting ready
for the international summit on global warming,
there was the women's meeting. Because the Whitewater
investigations have gone on for so long, we could actually
sit down and pick out numerous international events and crisis'
that were going on.
Russ: well it's hard not to just say those were normal part
of our presidential kind of thing and not actually
manipulated into taking attention away from Whitewater.
Tia: but they were big headlines.
Tia: uh-huh, they were big headlines that kind of pushed the
Whitewater investigations to the background
however......kettle's boiling so let's pause.
Russ: all right, want some tea?
Tia: okay now, Whitewater has been dragged out so long and
the investigator Kenneth Starr is still active. Now let's
look at these supposed leaks. First of all, who is Kenneth
Starr's boss? Do you know Russ?
Russ: he's an independent prosecutor, he doesn't have a
Tia: that's where you're wrong, he does have a boss. Who is
head of the judicial investigation in your country?
Russ: Supreme Court.
Tia: who's in charge of the Supreme Court?
Russ: that's the legislative branch of the government which
would be the.........I don't know how that works.
Tia: who's in charge of the legislative side? Follow the
Russ: well the president's in charge of the executive.
Russ: Congress in charge of the Congressional side.
Russ: and legislative side? It's
not the president again is it?
Russ: it is?
Tia: yeah, he's in charge of even the Congressional side. He
is the top man, he is the elected representative by the
people, all the people. So it goes all the way to the top.
He is the final person that has say so, he has right of
Russ: so you're saying the president is Kenneth Star's boss?
Tia: correct. It's like if you look at the structure of up
here. Okay, I'm a department head right?
Tia: I report to a member of a Council.
Tia: and that member of the Council for Hades Base reports
Tia: correct. That's the way it works. He is in actual fact
if you use the terminology that we have, he is the
president. So these leaks coming out of Kenneth
Star's office if indeed that is the case, looks very bad for
Kenneth Starr. Now the fact that Clinton is asking for
Kenneth Starr to be investigated because of these leaks
makes me think that he's trying to divert the attention
he was to fire him, people would jump all over him for
firing Kenneth Starr and say there is something going on
here. But the fact that these so-called leaks are coming out
of supposedly Kenneth Star's office, looks more like the
fact that that there's somebody that's been loose mouthed in
there and is blabbing when in actual fact, that might not be
Russ: well it might be case but it might be somebody the
president put in there in the first place to do such a
Tia: correct, at the appropriate time when the situation
became bad enough.
for example, Lewinsky wants immunity.
Russ: Kenneth Starr denied immunity.
Russ: now he subpoenaed her.
Tia: uh-huh which means she has to appear and there will be
negotiations and there is the possibility that he may offer
her immunity depending on what transpires. Now this is a
little interesting thing, why now are there so
many leaks? Because the investigations are starting to touch
well the point is, who are the leaks to?
Tia: the press.
Russ: which press? There's a lot of press.
Tia: oh cricky, I don't know offhand, it just seems to be
all over the place.
Russ: well let's say for example it's the Washington Post
as opposed to the New York Times. The Washington Post is a
liberal, democratic newspaper opposed to the Times
a Republican, conservative paper. Whichever one got the
leaks would say who was actually in charge of making sure
those leaks got to which paper.
Russ: if it's the Post, the president did. If it's the
New York Times, that might actually have something to do
with the Republicans.
Tia: might not be, might not be because what you have just
said, think about it. The Democratic press right? Is
liable to put the story on yeah page 2, page 3, wherever.
But if you want to get a leak out and get people to be
thinking "hmmm, where's this leak coming from? It's got to
be coming from the office of Kenneth Starr", what do you
Russ: hmmm, possibly.
Tia: put it all together.
well it just basically means that the president has as
much power as he needs to wield at any one time.
Tia: no you're missing the point. Okay let's look
together at put the international incidents together,
the leak right? Or the leaks. Put those together right
and what have you got?
Russ: I don't know, obstruction of justice?
Tia: got tampering with justice, big time. You've
got.....not only have you got perjury, tampering with
evidence, but you've now got extortion and threatening
behavior. Why do people do that?
Tia: why would they be scared?
Russ: got too close to the source?
Tia: too close to the truth. They're starting to get to
the truth and it's a little too late in my opinion.
Okay, do you have any questions?
Russ: not on this particular subject, I can't think of
anything at all.
Tia: okay, what about other subjects?
Russ: on astral projection.
(Tia speaks in Durondedunn to one of the house cats.)
Russ: one of the keys is designing your body to be
Russ: than it actually is.
Tia: kind of.
Russ: your astral body.
Russ: now, as such, you have to divorce your sensory
Russ: to nil.
Russ: so that you can feel your body become lighter than
the substance around you.
Russ: now the problem you have is taking the sensory
input and bring it down to nil.
Russ: what you really need to do is to focus the mind on
one thing to such an extent that your sensory input no
longer is mattering.
Tia: correct. So basically what you're asking is how do
you do that?
Tia: okay, well there's numerous different ways of doing
it. One is cutting down external noise as much as
possible, cutting down on external lighting as much as
possible and cutting down on what you feel. That's the
hardest of all.
Tia: okay, that one you basically don't worry about.
Cutting down on the other two, the visual and the
auditory right? Is simple.
Russ: that's just environment.
Tia: correct and if you're in a busy environment with
lots of noise, what is a way cutting down on the noise?
Russ: close the door.
Tia: and put earplugs in.
Tia: and if it is a bright sunny day with lots of light
streaming in through your window, what you do?
Russ: close the drapes or put on eye shades.
Tia: or both.
Tia: now sometimes people make a ritual out of it. You
know fasting, lighting candles, drawing the drapes,
waiting till night. It's part of the reason why most
people do a lot of astral traveling at night is because
it's darker, there's less noise, there's less going on.
So in doing so, it cuts down on a lot of the inputs and
sensory stuff so that there's less things to do. By
lighting the candles can have a hypnotic effect of the
flickering of the candles.
Russ: hmmm, or a fireplace.
Tia: or a fireplace.
Tia: or even soft, relaxing music.
Tia: using things to focus on. It's like your
entertainment........trying to look around for help.
That one there, with the guy with the white gloves and
the big ears. (A theater poster for the 50th anniversary
for the movie "Fantasia".)
Tia: I believe that they talk about pure music in it.
Pure music can give images into the mind
which help to a certain extent. Softer drumming or heavy
drumming can induce vibrations within the body that help
to focus on that.
Tia: uh-huh. There are many, many different ways to do
astral traveling. Some people like to use an induced,
altered state of consciousness. Other people like use
fasting which again is inducing a change in
consciousness. Some people like to use chemical aids to
induce a change in consciousness. When you astral
travel, basically what you're doing is altering your
consciousness. You're altering from one reality to
Russ: okay, the problem I've got is when I astral
Russ: I cannot divorce the feelings and sounds coming
from around my body.
Tia: well have you tried earplugs?
Russ: I've tried the different kinds of alternate sounds
Tia: uh-huh, okay do away with them, do away with all
Russ: so just earplugs?
Tia: uh-huh, you will hear your internal sounds which
can be concentrated on.
Russ: all right, no way are you guys going to do that
one again. (Speaking to the house cats.)
Tia: shredding the toilet paper?
Russ: get away from the toilet paper.
Tia: (scolds the cats in Durondedunn.) okay.......
Russ: anyway, I'll try the gun muffles. (Some ear plugs
Tia: yeah and probably some kind of you know scarf over
the eyes and everything to cut down on the light.
Russ: thank you love.
Tia: you're welcome.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(A very thought provoking Omal comes
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ and how are you
Russ: greetings Omal, well.
Omal: okay, last week, Tia's tantrum.
Omal: hmmm yes.
Russ: your call.
Omal: hmmm, let's keep it.
Russ: as you wish.
Omal: now the reason behind the keeping of it is that it
is showing caring and concerning in a very passionate
Russ: well which is the whole subject that we got into
in the first place which brought it up.
Omal: correct. The fact that she got very irritated and
angry with the lack of respect as she sees it for your
planet, is something that needs to be understood by
other people. The fact that somebody that has never set
foot on your planet has that much caring can be looked
upon only as a positive. Okay now, let us look at
emotional outbursts. Emotional outbursts occur for
numerous reasons. One is strong belief and conviction,
is fear, three is anger. Let us
stop with those three. Strong convictions, strong
conviction serve the purpose of holding your opinion and
making other people aware of your opinion. Emotional
outbursts of the strong, conviction kind, come from the
heart, the heart being a phrase used to explain
deep-seated belief. These moral outbursts being a sign
of concern and passion on a subject regardless of
what the belief are commendable because normally
they are showing the person as they really are, as they
think and believe. Anger, no let us look at fear first.
Fear, emotional outbursts from fear derive primarily
from "I am scared, I want to protect myself, I want to
push the person away or the persons away however I can."
If it means appearing to be angry, then so be it. So you
could say a subcategory of fear anger as
opposed to just plain anger. And these outbursts are
normally because the situation is out of control, the
person is out of control of the situation and
it can be physically threatening or life-threatening
in some way. So we can put in another subcategory of
fear of a life-threatening situation. And this is one of
the most dangerous categories, fear of a
life-threatening or physical threatening situation.
People in that situation that have emotional outbursts
are unpredictable and dangerous. They will do almost
anything to attempt to survive. So, let us call that
subcategory number three, fear survival. And that is
probably the most dangerous category that I can think
of. Not one of but probably the most dangerous
subcategory and this is because the person is
now bent totally on their survival, they
will sacrifice anything to survive. No longer are they
thinking in a loving, compassionate, clear way, their
judgment is now totally clouded, they are running on
hormones and chemicals within their own body that have
no control over their thought processes. They will harm
people, they will harm themselves, they will cause
destruction. That is why it is the most dangerous
subcategory. Finally, emotional outbursts of the anger
kind. Again there are numerous subcategories involved in
this and we will quickly go through the categories.
There is self anger, anger at another person.
Disappointment anger and anger because of looking
foolish. Now looking foolish, everybody does that from
time to time. I've done it to myself. After all, if I
did not make mistakes, I would not look foolish and I do
make mistakes. I am not all-knowing, all seeing as much
as I would like to be, I am not. I am not perfect. It
has been a long time since I have been angry. As Ashtar
said, he mimics the emotion to get a point across, to
get attention. So using anger can be a very useful tool
if you mimic it but do not get angry. If you act out the
emotion but keep yourself apart from that emotion. Self
anger, self anger is basically where you make a mistake,
you know that people have seen you make the mistake and
you want to divert the attention away on a subconscious
level. Sometimes it will make situations worse. Anger at
somebody else because they have done something. That is
a way of drawing attention to the problem and what has
happened. Any questions?
Russ: now doesn't that with the most dangerous kind of
anger, survival anger........
Russ: isn't that
kind of countered by an amount of love shown to that
Omal: do you mean fear?
Russ: yeah, fear.
Omal: okay. At that point there is no control over the
emotion, there is no control over the emotional
outburst. Let us take a situation as bad as we can.
Omal: you are in an aircraft.
Omal: you have two parachutes, three people. You have
your bond mate and one of your sons. Who gets to wear
Russ: I do and my bond mate.
Omal: what about your child?
Russ: I carry him with me.
Omal: so you throw away two lives as opposed to one?
Russ: no, parachute will carry two people as well as
Omal: let us say it does not.
Russ: ahhhh........then I'd give up my parachute for my
bond mate and my son.
Omal: most people would not do that on your planet, you
can always have more children. You can always find a new
Russ: yeah but I don't see life as being as this is my
only life. I'll just come back and you know any show of
that, it just helps in my evolution anyway.
Omal: yes but it could be wrong for you to do that. You
have to weigh the odds. If the emotion just takes over
and you are totally in fear, then you are not thinking
correctly. Survival fear has in the very wording states
that there is no control. Survival fear, let us look
closer at that phrase. Survival means to come through,
to live through and the fear. Fear is being very afraid
of a situation. So survival fear is totally
unpredictable. It is where the adrenaline is a stage
beyond fight or flight. You have no control. You cannot
make a clear, judgmental call on survival because your
body is bent for one purpose and one purpose only, to
survive. That is why is called survival fear. You
Russ: oh yeah. I mean you saw that a lot back on Sirius
with they went from third to sixth dimension and they
had the 144,000 people in the pyramid and you have
thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people's
outside the pyramid all trying to get in. (The
Sirian Chronicles, Part 1.)
Russ: I mean their whole thing was survival fear.
Russ: but that was because they didn't wish to die at
Russ: they had nothing, they couldn't look further than
their own death.
Russ: which is not a sixth dimensional way of looking at
Russ: you have to look at it beyond your death........
Russ: and you have to weigh the odds on what your death
will bring about.
Omal: okay let us look at it another way. You are
skiing, you hear a distant rumble above you. You look
above you, you see the mountain coming down on you. All
that white, beautiful, fluffy snow. What happens?
Russ: you transcend to the next level or to the next
Omal: aren't you going to try and escape the avalanche?
Russ: nah...it's moving way faster than you are.
Omal: maybe you can escape it, maybe you're far enough
to ski out of its way?
Russ: if you can see it.......
Omal: Russ, don't take that approach of "what is going
to happen is going to happen. I am going to die so I
will not fight it." Maybe it is part of your growth to
fight and survive. Don't do that approach. That is what
you are doing is, "it doesn't matter if I lose my life."
That is not what it's about. If you throw away your life
because you think you cannot survive, then you are not
Russ: well let's take it to the next level then.
Omal: no, let us address this level first.
Russ: I am, I mean but the point of the fact is, okay
say I fight as hard as I can to stay alive.
Russ: and yet I still die.
Omal: then you have tried.
Russ: now I have tried but what's that going to do to my
progression at that point? Do I then accept that.....
Omal: that is besides the point.
Omal: that is besides the point. The fact that you have
tried instead of looking up and seeing the avalanche
coming towards you and going, "okay, I'm dead, I will
sit here and meet my maker." You are dropping out on
your obligations. Remember the discussion on
Omal: to try to survive in a situation is the important
thing because you may have a role to play in the future.
Let us get back to the avalanche, let us say that it
Russ: all right.
Omal: right? And you sit down and go "okay I am to die,
I will die here." But, planned in the future was a
joining that would result in the offspring or a child
that was to play an important role in the future of your
planet that you in your waiting period had planned to
give birth to or to help conceive. The young lady in her
waiting period with you had planned accordingly and had
their life bent on that purpose. The offspring that was
waiting in the waiting period for the appropriate moment
to be conceived now has nobody in the group to help
focus and point in the direction. So you have now
created a karmic problem. The mother of the child does
not have the enjoyment and pleasure of raising that
child. That child, in his waiting period, no longer has
the structure that has been agreed upon. Or there is
another alternative to look at. Let us say that you had
agreed to meet somebody that you would give a
life-changing experience to. That does not take place so
that karmic debt has not been paid or that action has
not yet come to pass. So by giving up and not fighting
and not using that survival instinct, the survival fear
to survive, then you have caused karmic damage. However,
let us say you are in a situation where you are, let us
take the Titanic. You are on the Titanic, you know the
ship is sinking, it is the last boat. There is a child,
you put the child in the boat and therefore give up your
seat, your chance to survive. That is possibly a karmic
experience of ultimate sacrifice. Even in the lifeboat
you may die from exposure so it is not a certainty that
you will live. You may live as in the avalanche however,
you are now sacrificing yourself for somebody else. How
you react also depends on what has been discussed in the
waiting period where you agree upon certain karmic debts
that need to be paid and certain lessons. Maybe if you
were on the Titanic and you took a spot that was
supposedly for a child and you survived, you now have to
live with that guilt and that in itself could be part of
the learning process. So you have to weigh the actions
very carefully. You understand?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Omal: so doing the sit down and die routine is not a
good way to go because you are basically opting out of
your karmic lesson. Trying to survive, even if death
comes your way is the obligation unless there is
instinctual feeling that it is futile and you will die
anyway. And then there is only one option left.
Russ: well, can I ask a question though about somebody
who was very highly evolved and yet chose that path out?
Omal: (chuckles) okay.
Omal: what was his wording on his death?
Russ: well in his wording, he shows a sacrifice.
Russ: that he was dying for.....
Omal: "forgive me father for they do not know what they
Russ: right, but yet he did not fight. I mean even when
Peter cut off the ear of the guard who came to take him.
Russ: he chastised Peter and said, "this is my destiny,
I have to do this."
Omal: the ear was actually cut off after the fact,
Sananda had already been incarcerated and arrested at
Omal: he was sitting in the courtyard and it was not a
guard, it was somebody asking him. And the comment was
"before the rooster crows three times, you will betray
Russ: well stories get mixed up.
Russ: okay but he never fought, he never argued, he
accepted his fate and went willingly to his death.
Omal: but, listen to the wording, "forgive them father
they do not know what they do." He is giving absolution.
Certainly he is not fighting, certainly he is not
arguing. Look at the situation, they had already planned
Omal: if he had died violently resisting arrest, what
purpose would it have served? None.
Omal: by his placid accepting of his fate, what did that
Russ: it taught valuable lessons.
Omal: correct and it created a myth around him. By
offering absolution and standing and accepting his fate,
what did that teach or what happened from that?
Russ: well the lesson passed into immortality.
Omal: correct. Which in turn did what? It laid down a
set of principles that has lasted.....
Russ: 2,000 years.
Russ: okay, the point is though, I don't see as any
incarnate being could ever go willingly to their death
unless for example as you say the Titanic they were
sacrificing themselves. The natural instinct of everyone
is to fight for life.
Russ: I mean if the avalanche is coming of course I'm
not sit down, I will fight for my life......
Russ but at some point you know you're going to die, to
accept your death in a form that you have no choice in
the matter......for example, if you were to be executed.
Omal: which is what was going to happen to Sananda,
there was no way out of that.
Russ: right. Now let's say if the avalanche is coming,
I'm going to die anyway and my friends are out of the
path of the avalanche and they're watching and they see
me fight and try to get out but they see that all of a
sudden there is no way I'm going to get out and they see
me instead accept my fate. Does that pass on into immortality
as did Sananda's? No, because I don't have the same
destiny as his did but yet it will teach some lesson.
Omal: yes it will teach some lessons. Where death is
unavoidable, then it is better to die either appearing
to try, to survive because other people
will look and say "well, he fought to the end, he was
brave." If you sit down and try to avoid it, sit down
and say "okay, I'm accepting my fate." That can be
looked at two ways. One, "hey, he just gave
up, he might've made it" or "he died with dignity." You
Omal: now with the situation where it is inevitable.
Russ: yeah, like the execution.
Omal: like the execution, then it is better to go with
dignity because in dignity and standing before the
execution squad, let us say you are going to be executed
by a projectile weapon.
Omal: if you stand up and they offer you a blindfold and
you say "I don't need a blindfold", that has two
effects. One is that you are facing your adversary
face-to-face, eye-to-eye and secondly, it portrays you
as having a strong will. "I am to die, I will die with
honor and dignity. I will not be lashed to a post, I
will stand tall and brave." Which is basically saying at
the end, "you may have captured me, you may have tried
me and you're planning to execute me but you cannot take
away my dignity. You cannot take away who I am........"
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal continues from where he left off.)
Russ: in Texas correct. A person who I felt went with
Russ: she could not escape her fate, she
had come to understand Christianity and religion......
Russ: and she you know never fought against the accepted
role that she was to play for her final moments of life.
Russ: and even the Pope asked for clemency but yet all the
way to the very end where they finally gave her the
injection, she had a smile and dignity and went with grace.
Russ: I thought it was a very valuable lesson for many
correct. But lastly, and this is the last statement, look at
what she did. Look what troubles she had
caused and what harm she had caused. For a religious leader
to interfere in another country's code of ethics is wrong. Even
though it was done with a good heart and good intent, it is
interference. Thank you.
Russ: thank you.
back to hand off to my better half.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: Omal's dissertation on interference.......hmmm, where
have I heard that before?
Russ: it could be placed actually on the Hades Base and
Ashtar Command's ideas on interference in the same way the
Russ: the better thing would be the Pope not to interfere
much as Hades Base and Ashtar Command don't interfere.
Tia: well we try hard not to interfere, I mean you could
say that our discussion right now is interference.
Russ: ahhh because people choose to listen or they do not
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, let me put on the next speaker.
(My better half takes over from where
Omal left off.)
Russ: hi love.
Karra: I couldn't get my voice quite right for Kiri. How are
Russ: good my dear, well I already knew you were coming
Karra: yes I know.
Russ: now the point is, that in a similar fashion, the Pope
asking for her to be pardoned......
the same way as Ashtar Command asking........basically
interfering which they don't do........
Russ: and in our discussions, it could be called
interference but people listen or not. In the same way, the
Pope asking, people go "well the Pope asked, well no
biggie." Or a lot of people say "wow, the Pope really
Karra: yes but if you look at it.....and I see what Omal is
trying to say. I don't actually agree with what he said but
then I'm just a mere sixth dimensional woman as opposed to a
seventh dimensional person.
Russ: yeah, neither one of us have got the ideas from that
point of view.
Karra: correct but you know, the Pope showing
compassion and caring about the lady that was executed in my
opinion is commendable and whether or not anyone
listened does show caring. I'm trying to understand why Omal
Karra: that it was interference. The only way I could see it
was that basically he is sticking his hand into the laws of
Russ: well he's not because they're not going to
be.....they're not listening to the Pope as saying well this
guy is interfering because that's not...he's not an
authority that can actually sit there and interfere. All he
can do is offer his own opinion and they can.......the
judges or whatever....
Karra: I don't know, I don't know how it goes. Let's talk
about something different.
Karra: okay? Let's talk about hmmm.....different
consciousness', different ways of thinking.
Karra: that seems to be the topic of tonight. Looking at the
way you think and I think as opposed to the way Omal thinks,
Omal tends to see things on a much bigger scale and a much
smaller scale which is very hard and contradictory in my
opinion. You can't look at both the little picture and the
big picture at the same time. It is fascinating to see
Omal's thought processes on how he addresses situations and
how he uses phraseology and the construction of that
phraseology, the analogies and the parables that
Russ: well, do you think possibly that it is that each
dimension you see a bigger picture from the smaller pictures
that are presented to you?
Karra: I don't know hon.
Russ: okay well let's then........you see through my
Russ: much of what I see.
Russ: you've lived third dimensional lives as I do.
Russ: okay, you know exactly how I view life.
Russ: from the smaller pictures with a small glimpse of the
Russ: now you on the other hand living in sixth dimension,
you see more of the smaller picture but you also see a lot
of the bigger picture in a larger extent than I do. For one
thing, you have access to your past lives, your mind thinks
Karra: yes, yep uh-huh.
Russ: so what's that take to the next level then?
Karra: to the next level, I don't know. I have the lacking in
information to be able to come up with a clear answer. If I
said I think, that is just thinking, it is
lacking concrete evidence.
Russ: all right, let's take some evidence okay? Let's take
Russ: now Sananda choose to go through a short lifetime of
some 33 years......
Russ: to teach and in the end, present a grander lesson
that had been presented before.
Russ: okay. Could we then say that Sananda saw the bigger
picture which includes even today what is going on from that
act? Do you think that he, from that higher dimensional
point of view he was at before he went down to third
dimension, saw to this point what would go on or
only the big picture to that point?
Karra: I don't know for two reasons. One, I'm not a eighth
or a ninth or a tenth dimensional being and for two, I'm not
Russ: I know.
Karra: I can say I think possibly maybe, I could say all
those things and it is my point of view on Sananda. Omal is
concurring with me. He's saying that it is wrong when
dealing with a situation or a person that has
shown and taught that much to sit and conjecture is just
adding to the myths, stories and legends. But I know what
you're trying to say.
Russ: I like to think he did in my own opinion.
Karra: uh-huh, you can think what you want.
Russ: yes, I know. It's a neat scenario.
Karra: yes it is, it is. But, by me saying that I think, I
feel when I don't know Sananda. I've met him as many times
as you have, actually I've met him three times. I don't know
Sananda so for me to make a comment about somebody of that
importance that I've only met three times, how can I do that
and come up with the facts? You're talking about myths and
stories of somebody that you've only met twice all
cobbled together. What is true and what is not true? I've
heard a lot about Sananda, all second or third or fourth
hand information. From that is everybody's point of view so
I can't say personally.
Russ: true but....right. But the opposite to that
statement is the fact that he was just throwing dice.
Karra: maybe he was.
Russ: maybe he was you know?
Karra: who knows?
Russ: who knows? Right, what's interesting though is though
he went from the higher dimension that he was at.....
Russ: came down to third dimension and I'm seeing him among
these gentlemen that he's brought together who look up to
him and he's teaching them. Peter, Paul, Matthew, John and
Karra: Luke, Mark.
Russ: uh-huh and he's actually talking to these gentlemen in
a third dimensional realm much as you do to myself.
Russ: and to be able to do that for him must've been just an
Karra: it must of been. Let us look at it from a different
point, a different angle.
Karra: okay? I'm a sixth dimensional
being, you're a third dimensional being.
Karra: he is 10th?
Karra: okay. The thought processes that we go through are
totally different. I think faster than you do.
Karra: I have access to my past lives.
Karra: I can work out things quicker in my mind. Okay, let
us look at Sananda and this is totally projection and
totally my opinion.
Karra: it's not based in general fact, it is my opinion.
Karra: obviously to me, he thinks faster than I do. He has
access to all his past lives, he has perfect recall of those
past lives. Not, my opinions from those past lives, but he
has.........or not his opinions from this past lives, he has
by closing his eyes can actually experience the
life as it was. And he can play it through his mind, a whole
entire life. All the thoughts, feelings, emotions,
points of view, all of that in the space of because in my
opinion that he thinks faster, he can probably experience a
whole entire life in maybe five minutes. Now, being able to
do that for many, many past lives, may be able to see
patterns where he is not looking into the past but into the
future. Seeing all these possible outcomes and how each
emotional status and each emotional behavior is going to
affect further down the line. By being able to experience
not only his past life but the group consciousness of the
planet that he is from or the planet that he has chosen to
visit, will be able to see how his emotions and behaviors
and behaviors of people interact in a way to affect the
future. Now the faces may be the same, I don't know. He
could actually be seeing into the future by looking at the
Russ: so you're saying and this is only my opinion......
Russ: Sananda's an artist. Sananda has a canvas in front of
him, the picture he started has got these swirls and colors
and forms that he started....
Russ: but the rest of the canvas is blank but he can project
how the rest of that canvas is going to look by which brush
strokes he's going to make here and how they're going to
interrelate to these other strokes he's going to make later
Karra: I don't know hon.
Russ: but if that's true, and it's only conjecture in our
opinion anyway, then isn't that true for all of us? We're
all artists, we all have our own canvas' that we're creating
Karra: I don't know hon and Tia is pointing at your
Karra: and saying that as we have three more speakers, I've
got to cut it short.
Russ: well we end on a good note.
Karra: uh-hmm, "I don't know."
Russ: thank you my fellow artist.
Karra: let me go and find a bottle of claret.
Russ: fair enough.
Karra: take care.
(Tia passes from sister to sister.)
hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, okay next speaker.
(Kiri makes a brief appearance.)
Russ: yo Kiri.
Kiri: okay, any questions for me?
Russ: nothing but the obvious.
Kiri: okay, what is the obvious?
Russ: the artist question.
Kiri: nope, not going to answer it, don't want to play,
Kiri: and due to the fact that the last two speakers are
probably going to take up some time, I shall be off.
Besides, I have to go act on some hormones.
Russ: have fun my dear.
Kiri: oh I will.
(Tia's back from barely sitting down.)
(Tia says hi once more in Durondedunn.)
Tia: okay, let be put on the second from last speaker.
Tia: catch you later.
Russ: bye love.
(Leah takes over from Tia.)
Russ: hello Leah.
Leah: how's it going?
Russ: good my dear, yourself?
Leah: good, excellent.
Russ: glad to hear that dear.
Leah: uh-huh. It's nice having my little sister around for
Russ: oh yeah, I'm happy for you two.
Leah: uh-huh okay, what are we to talk about?
Russ: well I suppose I should probably get off the subject
I'm working on because that'll just take up too much time
Leah: how much time do you have on your recording device?
Russ: oh I've got half, a little more than half a tape.
Leah: okay so we do have.....
Russ: I've got about probably looks like 30 minutes maybe?
Leah: uh-huh, theoretically. Okay, theoretical mind
exercises for increasing thought processes, thought
actions. Karra got me thinking about that.
Leah: being an engineer, I have to do a lot of skull work
and how that works for me. Okay, skull work is where I
take a problem and I try to work it through in my mind to
see how it will go. For example, let us say I have to
construct a replica of an arm okay?
Russ: replica of a what?
Leah: a replica of an arm.
Russ: arm, oh arm.
Leah: a Sirian arm.
Leah: okay? How would I do it? How would it work? Well, by
applying pressure here and here to make it move like this,
how do I do that? How do you make that work? And what I do
to help in the thought process is first of all, I go and
read on the arm, what does it look like? I'll pull up
holos of the muscle structure, the bone structure and I
will strip it down to its barest essence of just the bone
and then I will add in things. Now having seen how this
works, I won't get the hologram to manipulate it and make
it move, I will try to figure out how it moves, why it
moves and what muscles do what to make it move. Now,
here's the entertaining part. Having figured out how this
part, the upper arm and the lower arm work together to
make it to do this to bend, okay now for the replica that
I'm making.....the robotic replica of a Sirian arm, you've
got to do the fingers. How do you do the fingers? How do
you make them move the way that they do? Now I've only
looked at this part, this is where it gets hard and
entertaining, if you call it entertainment. What I
do.....did I make his body move completely there?
Russ: uh-huh, a little bit.
Leah: okay, what I do is, I would make miniature replicas
of the fingers.......or not the
fingers, of the arm as fingers and connect them all
together. Yes this is something I have done.
made a robotic arm years ago.
Russ: now how's this have to do with the mental processes?
Leah: well because the first part is visual, this part, is
done in here. I have to work out how to make these puppies
work. Now constructing it is part of the mental process
because you have to know where things are going to go. You
have to have a preplanned idea whether it is written down
or held in your mind or stored as images is all controlled
from here. You have to make the decisions and in building
it, you have to.......you have to what? You have
to....look at the images or decide where things go so that
is done mentally which takes reasoning. If you were to
let's say connect this muscle to here, it's not going to
do this is it?
Leah: because this muscle here has to tighten as this
muscle loosens. I'm having difficulty with your language
tonight, you might've noticed that.
Russ: no problem.
Leah: where do you attach the muscle to make it do that?
Well if you attach it here and here, you can make it as
tense as you want and with the one here and here, you can
make it as loose you want. It's not going to do anything
so what do you do? You have to attach it in the correct
places which is done by making the correct decisions in
your mind by doing the correct research and trying to
figure things out.
Russ: and to see it all in your mind as one piece with all
the interconnecting parts once you have it all figured
Russ: before it ever takes any physical form.
Leah: correct, that is part of increasing the thought
processes is practicing to be able to see it in your mind.
That to be able to hold it in your mind, look at it, spin
it, rotate it, turn it and think through each process.
Russ: now apply that to life and what do you get?
Leah: that's the next stage.
Leah: let us get back to the robotic arm.
Leah: what uses would a robotic arm do?
Russ: well it would work in a hazardous environment for
uses where you could not use a regular arm.
Russ: for example in micro engineering or just regular
nuclear or biological work where a regular arm might be
destroyed using it.
Russ: but you need the tactile senses or the ability to
use the digital qualities of an arm to manipulate the
pieces that you're working with.
Leah: uh-huh, correct. Now having constructed your
artificial arm, your robotic arm, you have to think of
what uses as you've just pointed out. Now, the next
stage from that because you have think, okay what's the
next stage from the uses?
Russ: are we using tactile senses though with those arms
or it's just a dead arm?
Leah: well it's a nonsensical arm at this point let us
say. It's a dead arm, it has no senses.
Leah: the next stage is, okay how do we improve it and
make it do what it's supposed to do?
Russ: add tactile senses.
Leah: correct. Now, having been able to get the tactile
senses, how do we improve that?
Russ: attach it to your brain.
Russ: so that you have the input that you need to make the
correct decisions based on the tactile senses that you
receive from those particular nerves or receptors.
Leah: uh-huh but let us say that that you are dealing with
Leah: you can't go in there with your robotic arm and just
pick it up and move around because the radiation is going
to make your body decay correct? It's going to become
Russ: it doesn't matter, it's a robotic arm.
Leah: yes but you're saying that it's attached to you.
Russ: from a set of leads that you're in a safe room.
Leah: okay, now we're getting somewhere. How is it
Russ: well it's attached in the way that your helmets are
able to input any thought, you know through a helmet
system where it's attached to your brain.
Russ: having the leads going into your helmet.
Leah: okay, and it's attached to your brain.
Russ: just like the pilots fly the ships. (The base
Leah: how's it attached to your brain?
Russ: how is it attached to your brain? It's attached to
your brain through the helmet. The leads go into your
helmet so you are able to use the arm and feel the senses
as if it was your real arm.
Leah: okay, how?
Russ: well now see the helmets we're getting into a whole
technological area that Kiri hasn't quite made common
knowledge to me just as yet.
Leah: and for a very good reason.
Russ: well yeah correct, I mean I could make a number of
hazardous guesses on how it works.
Leah: okay, let's hear your hazardous guesses.
Russ: well, the hazardous guesses I have is that the
probes that are inserted into the brain once you have the
helmet on attach themselves to various parts of your brain
that have to do with motor control, sensory functions,
endorphin and so on releasing of various chemicals in your
body and so therefore one of the leads or many of the
leads coming in from the arm would have to attach to the
probe that directly receives sensory input.
Leah: so you're saying that you think that the......how it
actually penetrates into the skull, through the skull into
Russ: and you'd have to have some leads that went from
sensory input to the brain and others that went to motor
control in the brain so that you could control the actual
arm movement going on.
Leah: I'll have to talk to Kiri about this but I don't
think they work that way.
Russ: yeah like I say, Kiri's not been real open-minded
about sharing all this information with me.
Leah: probably for a reason.
Russ: well of course, Omal would fire her little tush.
Leah: uh-huh. So.......
Russ: so under pain of having Kiri's tush fried, I have to
make these radical, hazardous guesses.
Russ: but I know that I'm fairly well right because I've
been to points where they've had helmets taken off and
unfortunately they left rather nasty little pinpricks
afterwards. (From my flight training with Karra's son
Nazreal in his search and rescue craft.)
Russ: where they were taken off suddenly let's say.
Russ: so I'm assuming they do pierce the skin.
Leah: I think it's safe to say that they do pierce the
skin, as for the skull, I don't think so.
Russ: maybe not the skull.
Leah: uh-huh, I don't think so.
Russ: but how they get through the sensory inputs through
the skull to the brain itself without actually going
through the skull, I have to assume is possibly nonmetals.
Leah: I've got Tia looking at me very concerned.
Russ: I can imagine we're deep into gray areas now.
Leah: uh-huh and I think.....
Russ: you start making hazardous guesses then we're both
Leah: it would be best if.......I'm reading here.......if
Russ: dropped the bloody subject.
Leah: if I.......oh, let it go okay.
Russ: same "ting".
Russ: nice try.
Leah: Tia was going......okay, she says if you want, she
can go and get Kiri to....
Russ: no, I've already worn a helmet, I already know what
Leah: uh-huh. Okay, but you see that by what we've just
Leah: we've done the mind exercise.
Leah: now the thing is, how to construct the helmet.
Russ: oh Tia's going drop, drop, drop, drop.
Leah: no, no, no, no, I'm taking it as a mental exercise.
Russ: okay, how do we construct the
Leah: yes, this is......and I'm not going to......I'm
going to tell you how to go through the thought processes.
Okay, first of all you visualize the outer shell.
Leah: okay, you visualize and think about what you want it
to do. Okay you want it to control an object.
Russ: I want to receive images and sensory input and
control the object.
Leah: correct. Okay, I was going to get to that before you
so politely interrupted.
Russ: my mistake.
Leah: okay, you have it doing what you have said. Okay,
how do you get it to do that without causing irreversible
Russ: well it has to act as a....
Leah: no, no don't interrupt, I'm being deliberate.
Russ: oh I'm sorry, sorry.
Leah: okay, how do you get it to do that without causing
harm? How do you achieve that goal? And finally, which
sucker do you get to be the test pilot? All very important
processes in the thought process. Even before you build
it, you have to know how you're going to build it, how
it's going to work, what it's going to do. Because it's no
good building something with no idea on what it's going
idea on how it works. What's the point of doing it if you
don't know that? You see?
Leah: so how do you do these things? So you
have to, when you're doing a thought exercise is, you
see the end product and how it's going to look without
seeing the internal mechanisms, you think about how
you're going to build the mechanism. What materials are
you going to need? How are you going to construct it?
What's its function? How are you going to achieve that
function in the safest possible way and who are you going
to get to test it? Because it's useful to have the test
pilot from the get-go. Because if you're going to build
it, you want to custom make it so it fits snugly for them
to start off with. Then you can mass-produce it from
essence, let's take this cycle over here in front of me.
(An elliptical crosstrainer in the room.)
Russ: all right, I'm sure you see it on the monitor okay?
Russ: all right, someone had to know what exactly they
wanted to do with this.
Russ: they had it in their mind, probably without the
shell, they just had the basic function of what each item
was going to do.
Russ: and they had the end product figured out what it was
going to do.
Russ: from there, they had to construct each internal
mechanism that would make it do the end product.
Russ: once they had that down, then they had to figure out
the external parts that would make the internal parts...it
would come up to the final function that they were talking
Leah: well from what I see on it is, it's basically a
lever like this way, with a lever across, swinging bars
and a bar on the bottom.
Leah: okay, pivots, ratchets and so on, very primitive,
very simple. The bars from the top with the loop arm and
down and across are all cosmetic. You can do away with
them, it's cosmetics.
Leah: the cosmetics are pleasing to the eye.
Leah: so you have to factor in how to use the cosmetics
for a function. You have to stand on them and use them as
Russ: well as with your robotic arm, first off you have to
see the end product. Before you can do that, the end
product is all cosmetics.
Russ: you've got to start with a framework.
Leah: correct. When I say the end products I don't include
Leah: you know I see the end product as....
Russ: well I see it with the cosmetics, I see with the
flesh and flesh color and fingernails.
Leah: that's unimportant, that's cosmetics.
Russ: I know, that's the end product though
Leah: yeah that's not my end product. My end product is
creating the arm and make it functioning, make it work as
I want it to work. What you do with it after that is up to
you. If you throw flesh, slap some paint on it, put
finger...fingernails on there, fine. But I've done my job
which is creating a mechanism that works. However, if the
cosmetics interfere and make it so it doesn't work, then I
get involved again.
Leah: okay, anything else?
Russ: that's it.
(Tia comes back to once again hand off between sisters.)
(Tia says hi once more in Durondedunn.)
Tia: and off she bounces, out of the bamboo, good. Okay,
(Bunny/Huna ends the night with some
classic Bunny comments.)
Russ: hi there Bunny.
Bunny: hey, how's it going?
Russ: good darling, very educational.
Bunny: uh-huh, very educational.
Russ: you my dear are the one person who will certainly be
able to understand what we're discussing tonight more than
anybody else I think.
Bunny: what makes you think that?
Russ: you're an artist.
Bunny: yes I am. Talking......I'm also a medical student.
Bunny: uh-huh. Okay, what do you want to know?
Russ: how to apply the thought processes that your sister
was so apt in discussing and using them to create your
Bunny: okay, so we're going to start with the hard
questions first, fine.
Russ: you want fun and frilly, we'll go fun and frilly
Bunny: whatever you want, I was actually going to make
some comments. How do you do it?
Russ: okay hard questions first then.
Bunny: okay, how do you do it or how do I do it? Well,
you're not going to like this answer.
Russ: I'll take it.
Bunny: I take things from the past, analyze it and work
out how it worked in the past and it should work in the
same way in the future. What I know as was, I apply it to
what is. You understand?
Russ: uh-uh because it doesn't always work that way.
Because it did at one time, doesn't make it do it again.
Bunny: no, but it's a place to start from and I think you
don't understand what I......you don't understand what I
just said don't you?
Russ: no but I sure would like elucidation on this.
Bunny: okay, what do you think I said?
Russ: that you look at what's taken on in the past which
could be a number of things, past lives, past experiments.
Russ: past lessons and then you apply them to what you're
working on in the future.
Bunny: okay, it's actually past lives. I access my past
Bunny: and compare to see if I've had any experience with
it in the past, the ones that I have access to and apply
it to "okay, I know it works this way." Okay I have let us
say I take a healing where I'm fixing bones okay? A broken
arm as arms seem to be the flavor of the moment.
Bunny: okay, I'm fixing an arm. I know if I put a splint
on it and wrap a gauze with a mixture of hardening
materials that I can create a cast to protect the arm and
therefore make the bones knit together. I look at all
those experiences that I've had and see all the ways that
it's been done, that I've done it. I see which ones that
are more successful than others and I do that for the
first try. If it doesn't work, then I go to another one
and another one until I find one that works. Let's say
I've done six of them in my past lives. Okay, I've tried
all six and none of them work. Then I start improvising
and refining and using techniques, a little from one, a
little from another until I come across one that does
work. The fact that I'm doing this, I know that I've done
it before so you see what I'm saying?
Bunny: now let's take something a little different. Mental
mind probes and understanding how my actions and
manipulations can help to heal in using my mind probes.
For example last night, you want to hear all about it?
Russ: give me the details babe.
Bunny: okay, one person that I absolutely love and adore
and a young lady that was involved in a past life, a
recent past life, to work out a karmic hostility problem
had to join in an intimate way. Now, this is the first
time that I've ever, even in my past lives that I have
access to and that's the key word, have access to, I have
ever done it. First time. And in doing so I learned
several things. For example, I can't watch the auras and
probe their minds at the same time to see their sexual
readiness. I can see the fact that they're sexually
aroused but whether or not it is focused at me or at each
other is very difficult to determine by just looking at
the auric appearances. Being able to penetrate under their
natural mental shields to the selected area to implant
thoughts and to read the thoughts to be able to react in a
particular way, I can't do that whilst I'm in the visual
auric mode. I have to change modes. So I had to learn to
decide which was better to use. Which do you think is
better to use?
Russ: the auric fields.
Bunny: no, because it's unfocused.
Russ: the other one is interference though.
Bunny: not quite.
Russ: you're talking about implanting thoughts.
Bunny: it's a positive way of using coercion in a healing
Russ: (Chuckles) okay.
Bunny: okay, the possible outcomes of the hostility is
that it got worse and created problems. Serious
not only psychological but physical problems because one
of the parties is so passive and the other is so
Bunny: okay so you're looking at a karmic problem here
where two people had to join to overcome a karmic problem
to get the ball rolling.
Bunny: okay, neither of them were willing to do so.
Neither of them were willing........and it has to be done
at a young age.
Russ: well I have talked to both of them, I understand
your problem quite nicely.
Bunny: uh-huh, yes so it has to be done at an early age so
that the outcomes are beneficial for a longer period of
time which evens up and works out the karmic problem. So I
have to implant thoughts to push it in the right
direction. They're not commands, they're implanted
thoughts that they can act upon freely or ignore freely.
They recognize them as their own thoughts but their own
belief systems will manipulate whether or not they
actually do it. So it's not a command, it is a thought.
I'm not telling them "take off your panties, kiss Lyka,
kiss Leah, put your hand on her
pelvic mound." That is not what I'm telling them to do. I
am suggesting, I am giving them options. One of the things
that whilst I was inserting thought processes and giving
ideas is that I lost sensation of my sexual urges. When I
finally got them to stop using me and stop trying to
satisfy me because they couldn't because I no longer was
interested, my body was sexually
aroused, but it wasn't responding. When I finally got them
to respond sexually to each other, then things for them
started to happen. By putting the first steps into action,
getting them to make love, set the rest of the things in
action. They're now more freer of their dislike for each
other. They now are acting upon the attraction that was
there, that they were strongly sexually attracted to each
other because of the past life that they shared. By
letting them use me as a testing ground for how far they
could go, benefited them, not me. But being what I am
which is I think you would say strongly promis.....
Bunny: thank you......and having a very healthy sex drive,
helped them. So I'm using my sexual self as a healing tool
of a karmic problem. Now I know where my sister headed off
to. I know that because I went in whilst Omal was talking
and came back. I know that Lyka is there waiting for her.
I am pretty sure that they are starting to, they're
probably smooching at the moment. I'm also working with
another medical student that is on the base that's a
eighth year engineering medic on a few little ideas that I
have. Okay, do you have any questions?
Russ: hmmm, so you feel satisfied that your work is almost
Bunny: almost done, there is one last thing that I have to
do. Satisfied? No, I wasn't.
Russ: why not?
Bunny: because I'm going to have to tinker with it from
time to time because I think that they may not go all the
way that they should. Let's.....
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