(Tia breaks out the
whip and chair to take on her Ring Mistress duties.)
oh, he left did he?
Tia: okay, let's amplify the field so
we can see you on the holographic projection. Okay,
wave. Good, okay stick your finger on your nose or
your thumb on your nose and twiddle your fingers.
Okay good. Stick one finger in one ear and another
finger on the top of your head and say red
Tia: good. okay, business, business,
business, business. The market and its continued
erratic behavior. 8,200 and goodness knows what at
the moment. It's climbing and this is due partly to
the way the government is tied up. Now, something
that I've noticed and it's very entertaining to
watch, is whenever there are political woes in the
White House or in the Senate or in the House,
the stock market does what? It climbs. And it's not
just because of the positive figures that come out,
it's due to the fact of that plus the fact that the
government cannot interfere. Now most of these
people involved in these scandals actually have
stocks and shares and bonds and dividends and
commodities and so on, futures, all in the stock
market. So, why does the stock market climb whilst
the political turmoils go on? Well this is because
investors see it as the government is not able to
interfere as much as normal when it's tied up with
all its woes. Talking of woes, just a few weeks ago
there was a crisis, major, major, major crisis and
it was the Lewinsky tapes. Now it seems to be taking
more of a backseat to other woes going on in the
Middle East, Iraq mainly. Now it's funny that every
time there are woes in the White House, some
international crises materializes and depending on
the severity of the crisis in the White House,
depends on the severity of the international crisis.
Have you noticed that Russ?
Russ: well Paula
Jones wasn't that much of a crisis
internationally, we still have Iraq but it wasn't
anything to where it is now.
Tia: uh-huh. In actual fact, there is
no difference between now and the Paula Jones
incidences with Iraq. It's just that now is a time
to take action, to do something about it.
Russ: well it would seem that they
were almost asleep during the Paula Jones one.
Tia: there was the thing going on with
the inspectors and everything but it was more along
the lines of well "sanctions, let's do sanctions,
let's talk about it, let's see what we can get
Saddam Hussein to do, let's
move a few more troops into the area" but there
wasn't the discussion on whether or not military
action should be taken. Now there is a discussion on
military action, what should be done, "should we
assemble a coalition of forces to go in there and
attack and do something about it?" And
looking at how the two incidences in the past run
together and the severities,
makes me think that this time the crisis in the
White House is major. Because now evidence is coming
to light of not just the promiscuity which is
totally irrelevant and it's up to the individuals
involved on what to do but the fact of tampering
with evidence and lying, perjury. Tampering with
evidence and perjury are two major, major no-no's.
And what is happening with these......and you've
got the kettle going?
Tia: okay. What is going on is a sign
that the situation in the White House is very
dangerous. So, by diverting the attention away to
this major crisis in the middle east which is no
worse than anything else that's happened in the past
is diverting everybody's attention from what is
going on. It's funny how that happens isn't it? It's
almost like manipulation which it could be, could
very well be. It's more than coincidence that every
time that there is investigations going on, that
something international happens.
Russ: well what's going on with
Tia: Whitewater? That's still being
Russ: yeah but what was happening
internationally while Whitewater was being
Tia: nationally I believe there was
I think and I'd have to pull up my notes which I
don't have with me, I wasn't expecting
you to ask me that question.
Russ: oh. I don't remember there being
any international crisis' at the
Tia: well there were actually a few
not so much crises but things going on. There was
the planning and getting ready for the international
on global warming, there was the women's meeting.
Because the Whitewater investigations have gone on
for so long, we could actually sit down and pick out
numerous international events and crisis'
that were going on.
Russ: well it's hard not to just say
those were normal part of our presidential kind of
thing and not actually manipulated into taking
attention away from Whitewater.
Tia: but they were big headlines.
Tia: uh-huh, they were big headlines
that kind of pushed the Whitewater investigations to
the background however......kettle's boiling so
Russ: all right, want some tea?
Tia: okay now, Whitewater has been
dragged out so long and the investigator Kenneth
Starr is still active. Now let's look at these
supposed leaks. First of all, who is Kenneth Starr's
boss? Do you know Russ?
Russ: he's an independent prosecutor,
he doesn't have a boss.
Tia: that's where you're wrong, he
does have a boss. Who is head of the judicial
investigation in your country?
Russ: Supreme Court.
Tia: who's in charge of the Supreme
Russ: that's the legislative branch of
the government which would be the.........I don't
know how that works.
Tia: who's in charge of the
legislative side? Follow the chain up.
Russ: well the president's in charge
of the executive.
Russ: Congress in charge of the
Russ: and legislative side? It's
not the president again is it?
Russ: it is?
Tia: yeah, he's in charge of even the
Congressional side. He is the top man, he is the
elected representative by the people, all the
people. So it goes all the way to the top. He is the
final person that has say so, he has right of veto.
Russ: so you're saying the president
is Kenneth Star's boss?
Tia: correct. It's like if you look at
the structure of up here. Okay, I'm a department
Tia: I report to a member of a
Tia: and that member of the Council
for Hades Base reports to whom?
Tia: correct. That's the way it works.
He is in actual fact if you use the terminology that
we have, he is the president. So these
leaks coming out of Kenneth Star's office if indeed
that is the case, looks very bad for Kenneth Starr.
Now the fact that Clinton is asking for Kenneth
Starr to be investigated because of these leaks
makes me think that he's trying to divert the
attention again. If he was to fire
him, people would jump all over him for firing
Kenneth Starr and say there is something going on
here. But the fact that these so-called leaks are
coming out of supposedly Kenneth Star's office,
looks more like the fact that that there's somebody
that's been loose mouthed in there and is blabbing
when in actual fact that might not be
Russ: well it might be case but it
might be somebody the president put in there in the
first place to do such a thing.
Tia: correct, at the appropriate time
when the situation became bad enough.
Russ: uh-huh. Well
for example, Lewinsky wants immunity.
Russ: Kenneth Starr denied immunity.
Russ: now he subpoenaed her.
Tia: uh-huh which means she has to
appear and there will be negotiations and there is
the possibility that he may offer her immunity
depending on what transpires. Now this is a little
interesting thing, why
now are there so many leaks? Because the
investigations are starting to touch the facts.
Russ: well the point is,
who are the leaks to?
Tia: the press.
Russ: which press? There's a lot of
Tia: oh cricky, I don't know offhand,
it just seems to be all over the place.
Russ: well let's say for example it's
the Washington Post as opposed to the New York
Times. The Washington Post is a liberal,
democratic newspaper opposed to the Times
is a Republican,
conservative paper. Whichever one got the leaks
would say who was actually in charge of making
sure those leaks got to which paper.
Russ: if it's the Post,
the president did. If it's the New York Times,
that might actually have something to do with the
Tia: might not be, might not be
because what you have just said, think about it.
The Democratic press right? Is liable to put the
story on yeah page 2, page 3, wherever. But if you
want to get a leak out and get people to be
thinking "hmmm, where's this leak coming from?
It's got to be coming from the office of Kenneth
Starr", what do you do?
Russ: hmmm, possibly.
Tia: uh-huh, put it all together.
Russ: well it just
basically means that the president has as much
power as he needs to wield at any one time.
Tia: no you're missing the point.
Okay let's look together at put the
international incidents together, the leak
right? Or the leaks. Put those together right
and what have you got?
Russ: I don't know, obstruction of
Tia: got tampering with justice,
big time. You've got.....not only have you got
perjury, tampering with evidence but you've now
got extortion and threatening behavior. Why do
people do that?
Tia: why would they
Russ: got too close to the source?
Tia: too close to the truth.
They're starting to get to the truth and it's a
little too late in my opinion. Okay, do you have
Russ: not on this particular
subject, I can't think of anything at all.
Tia: okay, what about other
Russ: on astral projection.
(Tia speaks in Durondedunn to one
of the house cats.)
Russ: one of the keys is designing
your body to be lighter........
Russ: than it actually is.
Tia: kind of.
Russ: your astral body.
Russ: now, as such, you have to
divorce your sensory input......
Russ: to nil.
Russ: so that you can feel your
body become lighter than the substance around
Russ: now the problem you have is
taking the sensory input and bring it down to
Russ: what you really need to do is
to focus the mind on one thing to such an extent
that your sensory input no longer is mattering.
Tia: correct. So basically what
you're asking is how do you do that?
Tia: okay, well there's numerous
different ways of doing it. One is cutting down
external noise as much as possible, cutting down
on external lighting as much as possible and
cutting down on what you feel. That's the
hardest of all.
Tia: okay, that one you basically
don't worry about. Cutting down on the other
two, the visual and the auditory right? Is
Russ: that's just environment.
Tia: correct and if you're in a
busy environment with lots of noise, what is a
way cutting down on the noise?
Russ: close the door.
Tia: and put earplugs in.
Tia: and if it is a bright sunny
day with lots of light streaming in through your
window, what you do?
Russ: close the drapes or put on
Tia: or both.
Tia: now sometimes people make a
ritual out of it. You know fasting, lighting
candles, drawing the drapes, waiting till night.
It's part of the reason why most people do a lot
of astral traveling at night is because it's
darker, there's less noise, there's less going
on. So in doing so, it cuts down on a lot of the
inputs and sensory stuff so that there's less
things to do. By lighting the candles can have a
hypnotic effect of the flickering of the
Russ: hmmm, or a fireplace.
Tia: or a fireplace.
Tia: or even soft, relaxing music.
Tia: using things to focus on. It's
like your entertainment........trying to look
around for help. That one there, with the guy
with the white gloves and the big ears. (
A theater poster for the 50th anniversary for
the movie "Fantasia" showing Mickey
Tia: I believe that they talk about
pure music in it. Pure music can give
images into the mind which help to a certain
extent. Softer drumming or heavy drumming can
induce vibrations within the body that help to
focus on that.
Tia: uh-huh. There are many, many
different ways to do astral traveling. Some
people like to use an induced, altered state of
consciousness. Other people like to use fasting
which again is inducing a change in
consciousness. Some people like to use chemical
aids to induce a change in consciousness. When
you astral travel, basically what you're doing
is altering your consciousness. You're altering
from one reality to another.
Russ: okay, the problem I've got is
when I astral project.......
Russ: I cannot divorce the feelings
and sounds coming from around my body.
Tia: well have you tried earplugs?
Russ: I've tried the different
kinds of alternate sounds coming in.
Tia: uh-huh, okay do away with
them, do away with all sound.
Russ: so just earplugs?
Tia: uh-huh, you will hear your
internal sounds which can be concentrated on.
Russ: all right, no way are you
guys going to do that one again.
(Speaking to the house cats.)
Tia: shredding the toilet paper?
Russ: get away from the toilet
Tia: (scolds the cats in
Russ: anyway, I'll try the gun
(Some ear plugs I have.)
Tia: yeah and probably some kind of
scarf over the eyes and everything to cut down
on the light.
Russ: thank you love.
Tia: you're welcome.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(A very thought provoking Omal
Omal: greetings and felicitations
Russ and how are you functioning?
Russ: greetings Omal, well.
Omal: okay, last week, Tia's
Omal: hmmm yes.
Russ: your call.
Omal: hmmm, let's keep it.
Russ: as you wish.
Omal: now the reason behind the
keeping of it is that it is showing caring and
concerning in a very passionate way.
Russ: well which is the whole
subject that we got into in the first place
which brought it up.
Omal: correct. The fact that she
got very irritated and angry with the lack of
respect as she sees it for your planet, is
something that needs to be understood by other
people. The fact that somebody that has never
set foot on your planet has that much caring can
be looked upon only as a positive. Okay
now, let us look at emotional outbursts.
Emotional outbursts occur for numerous reasons.
One is strong belief and conviction,
two is fear,
three is anger. Let us stop
with those three. Strong convictions, strong
conviction serve the purpose of holding your
opinion and making other people aware of your
opinion. Emotional outbursts of the strong,
conviction kind, come from the heart, the heart
being a phrase used to explain deep-seated
belief. These moral outbursts being a sign of
concern and passion on a subject
regardless of what the belief are commendable because
normally they are showing the person as they
really are, as they think and believe. Anger, no
let us look at fear first. Fear, emotional
outbursts from fear derive primarily from "I am
scared, I want to protect myself, I want to push
the person away or the persons away however I
can." If it means appearing to be angry, then so
be it. So you could say a subcategory of fear
anger as opposed to just plain
anger. And these outbursts are normally because
the situation is out of control, the person is
out of control of the situation and
it can be physically threatening or life-threatening
in some way. So we can put in another
subcategory of fear of a life-threatening
situation. And this is one of the most dangerous
categories, fear of a life-threatening or
physical threatening situation. People in that
situation that have emotional outbursts are
unpredictable and dangerous. They will do almost
anything to attempt to survive. So, let us call
that subcategory number three, fear survival.
And that is probably the most dangerous category
that I can think of. Not one of but probably the
most dangerous subcategory and this
is because the person is now bent totally on
their survival, they
will sacrifice anything to survive. No longer
are they thinking in a loving, compassionate,
clear way, their judgment is now totally
clouded, they are running on hormones and
chemicals within their own body that have no
control over their thought processes. They will
harm people, they will harm themselves, they
will cause destruction. That is why it is the
most dangerous subcategory. Finally, emotional
outbursts of the anger kind. Again there are
numerous subcategories involved in this and we
will quickly go through the categories. There is
self-anger, anger at another
person. Disappointment anger and anger because
of looking foolish. Now looking foolish,
everybody does that from time to time. I've done
it to myself. After all, if I did not make
mistakes, I would not look foolish and I do make
mistakes. I am not all-knowing, all-seeing
as much as I would like to be, I am not. I am
not perfect. It has been a long time since I
have been angry. As Ashtar said, he mimics the
emotion to get a point across, to get attention.
So using anger can be a very useful tool if you
mimic it but do not get angry. If you act out
the emotion but keep yourself apart from that
emotion. Self-anger, self-anger
is basically where you make a mistake, you know
that people have seen you make the mistake and
you want to divert the attention away on a
subconscious level. Sometimes it will make
situations worse. Anger at somebody else because
they have done something. That is a way of
drawing attention to the problem and what has
happened. Any questions?
Russ: now doesn't that with the
most dangerous kind of anger, survival anger........
isn't that kind of countered by an amount of
love shown to that person?
Omal: do you mean fear?
Russ: yeah, fear.
Omal: okay. At that point there is
no control over the emotion, there is no control
over the emotional outburst. Let us take a
situation as bad as we can.
Omal: you are in an aircraft.
Omal: you have two parachutes,
three people. You have your bond mate and one of
your sons. Who gets to wear the parachutes?
Russ: I do and my bond mate.
Omal: what about your child?
Russ: I carry him with me.
Omal: so you throw away two lives
as opposed to one?
Russ: no, parachute will carry two
people as well as one.
Omal: let us say it does not.
Russ: ahhhh........then I'd give up
my parachute for my bond mate and my son.
Omal: most people would not do that
on your planet, you can always have more
children. You can always find a new bond mate.
Russ: yeah but I don't see life as
being this is my only life. I'll just come back
and any show of that, it just helps my evolution
Omal: yes but it could be wrong for
you to do that. You have to weigh the odds. If
the emotion just takes over and you are totally
in fear, then you are not thinking correctly.
Survival fear has in the very wording states
that there is no control. Survival fear, let us
look closer at that phrase. Survival means to
come through, to live through and the fear,
fear is being very afraid
of a situation. So survival fear is totally
is where the adrenaline is a stage beyond fight
or flight, you have
no control. You cannot make a clear, judgmental
call on survival because your body is bent for
one purpose and one purpose only, to survive.
That is why is called survival fear. You
Russ: oh yeah. I mean you saw that
a lot back on Sirius when they
went from third to sixth dimension and they had
the 144,000 people in the pyramid and you had
thousands if not hundreds of thousands of
people's outside the pyramid all trying to get
Sirian Chronicles, Part 1.)
Russ: I mean their whole thing was
Russ: but that was because they
didn't wish to die at that point.
Russ: they had nothing, they
couldn't look further than their own death.
Russ: which is not a sixth
dimensional way of looking at things.
Russ: you have to look at it beyond
Russ: and you have to weigh the
odds on what your death will bring about.
Omal: okay let us look at it
another way. You are skiing, you hear a distant
rumble above you. You look above you, you see
the mountain coming down on you. All that white,
beautiful, fluffy snow. What happens?
Russ: you transcend to the next
level or to the next life.
Omal: aren't you going to try and
escape the avalanche?
Russ: nah...it's moving way faster
than you are.
Omal: maybe you can escape it,
maybe you're far enough to ski out of its way?
Russ: if you can see it.......
Omal: Russ, don't take that
approach of "what is going to happen is going to
happen. I am going to die so I will not fight
it." Maybe it is part of your growth to fight
and survive. Don't do that approach. That is
what you are doing is, "it doesn't matter if I
lose my life." That is not what it's about. If
you throw away your life because you think you
cannot survive, then you are not learning.
Russ: well let's take it to the
next level then.
Omal: no, let us address this level
Russ: I am, I mean but the point of
the fact is, okay let's say I fight
as hard as I can to stay alive.
Russ: and yet I still die.
Omal: then you have tried.
Russ: now I have tried but what's
that going to do to my progression at that
point? Do I then accept that.....
Omal: that is besides the point.
Omal: that is besides the point.
The fact that you have tried instead of looking
up and seeing the avalanche coming towards you
and going, "okay, I'm dead, I will sit here and
meet my maker." You are dropping out on
your obligations. Remember the discussion on
Omal: to try to survive in a
situation is the important thing because you may
have a role to play in the future. Let us get
back to the avalanche, let us say that it
Russ: all right.
Omal: right? And you sit down and
go "okay I am to die, I will die here." But,
planned in the future was a joining
that would result in the offspring or a child
that was to play an important role in the future
of your planet that you in your waiting period
had planned to give birth to or to help
conceive. The young lady in her waiting period
with you had planned accordingly and had their
life bent on that purpose. The offspring that
was waiting in the waiting period for the
appropriate moment to be conceived now has
nobody in the group to help focus and point in
the direction. So you have now created a karmic
problem. The mother of the child does not have
the enjoyment and pleasure of raising that
child. That child, in his waiting period, no
longer has the structure that has been agreed
upon. Or there is another alternative to look
at. Let us say that you had agreed to meet
somebody that you would give a life-changing
experience to. That does not take place so that
karmic debt has not been paid or that action has
not yet come to pass. So by giving up and not
fighting and not using that survival instinct,
the survival fear to survive, then you have
caused karmic damage. However, let us say you
are in a situation where you are, let us take
the Titanic. You are on the Titanic, you know
the ship is sinking, it is the last boat. There
is a child, you put the child in the boat and
therefore give up your seat, your chance to
survive. That is possibly a karmic experience of
ultimate sacrifice. Even in the lifeboat you may
die from exposure so it is not a certainty that
you will live. You may live as in the avalanche
however, you are now sacrificing yourself for
somebody else. How you react also depends on
what has been discussed in the waiting period
where you agree upon certain karmic debts that
need to be paid and certain lessons. Maybe if
you were on the Titanic and you took a spot that
was supposedly for a child and you survived, you
now have to live with that guilt and that in
itself could be part of the learning process. So
you have to weigh the actions very carefully.
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Omal: so doing the sit down and die
routine is not a good way to go because you are
basically opting out of your karmic lesson.
Trying to survive, even if death comes your way
is the obligation unless there is instinctual
feeling that it is futile and you will die
anyway. And then there is
only one option left.
Russ: well, can I ask a question
though about somebody who was very highly
evolved and yet chose that path out?
Omal: (chuckles) okay.
Omal: what was his wording on his
Russ: well in his wording, he shows
Russ: that he was dying for.....
Omal: "forgive me father for they
do not know what they do."
Russ: right, but yet he did not
fight. I mean even when Peter cut off the ear of
the guard who came to take him.
Russ: he chastised Peter and said,
"this is my destiny, I have to do this."
Omal: the ear was actually cut off
after the fact, Sananda had already been
incarcerated and arrested at the point.
Omal: he was sitting in the
courtyard and it was not a guard, it was
somebody asking him. And the comment was "before
the rooster crows three times, you will betray
Russ: well stories get mixed up.
Russ: okay but he never fought, he
never argued, he accepted his fate and went
willingly to his death.
Omal: but, listen to the wording,
"forgive them father they do not know what they
do." He is giving absolution. Certainly he is
not fighting, certainly he is not arguing. Look
at the situation, they had already planned his
Omal: if he had died violently
resisting arrest, what purpose would it have
Omal: by his placid accepting of
his fate, what did that do?
Russ: it taught valuable lessons.
Omal: correct and it created a myth
around him. By offering absolution and standing
and accepting his fate, what did that teach or
what happened from that?
Russ: well the lesson passed into
Omal: correct which in
turn did what? It laid down a set of principles
that has lasted.....
Russ: 2,000 years.
Russ: okay, the point is though, I
don't see as any incarnate being could ever go
willingly to their death unless for example as
you say the Titanic they were sacrificing
themselves. The natural instinct of everyone is
to fight for life.
Russ: I mean if the avalanche is
coming of course I'm not sit down, I will fight
for my life......
Russ but at some point you know
you're going to die, to accept your death in a
form that you have no choice in the
matter......for example, if you were to be
Omal: which is what was going to
happen to Sananda, there was no way out of that.
Russ: right. Now let's say if the
avalanche is coming, I'm going to die anyway and
my friends are out of the path of the avalanche
and they're watching and they see me fight and
try to get out but they see that all of a sudden
there is no way I'm going to get out and they
see me instead accept my fate. Does that pass on
as did Sananda's? No, because I don't have the
same destiny as his did but yet it will teach
Omal: yes it will teach some
lessons. Where death is unavoidable, then it is
better to die either appearing to try, to
survive because other people will
look and say "well, he fought to the end, he was
brave." If you sit down and try to avoid it, sit
down and say "okay, I'm accepting my fate." That
can be looked at two ways. One,
"hey, he just gave up, he
might've made it" or "he died with dignity." You
Omal: now with the situation where
it is inevitable.
Russ: yeah, like the execution.
Omal: like the execution, then it
is better to go with dignity because in dignity
and standing before the execution squad, let us
say you are going to be executed by a projectile
Omal: if you stand up and they
offer you a blindfold and you say "I don't need
a blindfold", that has two effects. One is that
you are facing your adversary face-to-face,
eye-to-eye and secondly, it portrays you as
having a strong will. "I am to die, I will die
with honor and dignity. I will not be lashed to
a post, I will stand tall and brave." Which is
basically saying at the end, "you may have
captured me, you may have tried me and you're
planning to execute me but you cannot take away
my dignity. You cannot take away who I
(Omal continues from where he left off
Omal: in Texas......
Russ: in Texas correct. A person who I
felt went with dignity.
Russ: she could not escape her fate,
had come to understand Christianity and
Russ: and she never fought against the
accepted role that she was to play for her final
moments of life.
Russ: and even the Pope asked for
clemency but yet all the way to the very end where
they finally gave her the injection,
she had a smile and dignity and went with grace.
Russ: I thought it was a very valuable
lesson for many people.
Omal: correct. But
lastly, and this is the last statement, look at what
she did. Look what troubles
she had caused and what harm she had caused. For a
religious leader to interfere in another country's
code of ethics is wrong. Even
though it was done with a good heart and good
intent, it is interference. Thank you.
Russ: thank you.
(Tia's back to hand off to my better half.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Tia: Omal's dissertation on
interference.......hmmm, where have I heard that
Russ: it could be placed actually on
the Hades Base and Ashtar Command's ideas on
interference in the same way the Pope interfered.
Russ: the better thing would be the
Pope not to interfere much as Hades Base and Ashtar
Command don't interfere.
Tia: well we try hard not to interfere,
I mean you could say that our discussion right now
Russ: ahhh because people choose to
listen or they do not listen.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, let me put on the
(My better half takes over from
where Omal left off.)
Russ: hi love.
Karra: I couldn't get my voice quite
right for Kiri. How are you doing?
Russ: good my dear, well I already
knew you were coming anyway.
Karra: yes I know.
Russ: now the point is, that in a
similar fashion, the Pope asking for her to be
the same way as Ashtar Command
asking........basically interfering which they don't
Russ: and in our discussions, it could
be called interference but people listen or not. In
the same way, the Pope asking, people go "well the
Pope asked, well no biggie." Or a lot of people say
"wow, the Pope really asked.", it's their
Karra: yes but if you look at
it.....and I see what Omal is trying to say,
I don't actually agree with what he said but then
I'm just a mere sixth dimensional woman as opposed
a seventh dimensional person.
Russ: yeah, neither one of us have got
the ideas from that point of view.
Karra: correct but the Pope
showing compassion and caring about the lady that
was executed in my opinion is commendable and
whether or not anyone listened does show caring. I'm
trying to understand why Omal would say.....
Karra: that it was interference. The
only way I could see it was that basically he is
sticking his hand into the laws of another country.
Russ: well he's not because they're
not going to be.....they're not listening to the
Pope as saying well this guy is interfering because
that's not...he's not an authority that can actually
sit there and interfere. All he can do is offer his
own opinion and they can.......the judges or
Karra: I don't know, I don't know how
it goes. Let's talk about something different.
Karra: okay? Let's talk about
hmmm.....different consciousness', different ways of
Karra: that seems to be the topic of
tonight. Looking at the way you think and I think as
opposed to the way Omal thinks. Omal tends to see
things on a much bigger scale and a much smaller
scale which is very hard and contradictory in my
opinion. You can't look at both the little picture
and the big picture at the same time. It is
fascinating to see Omal's thought processes on how
he addresses situations and how he uses phraseology
and the construction of that phraseology, the
analogies and the parables that he draws.
Russ: well, do you think possibly that
it is that each dimension you see a bigger picture
from the smaller pictures that are presented to you?
Karra: I don't know hon.
Russ: okay well let's then........you
see through my eyes......
Russ: much of what I see.
Russ: you've lived third dimensional
lives as I do.
Russ: okay, you know exactly how I
Russ: from the smaller pictures with a
small glimpse of the big picture.
Russ: now you on the other hand living
in sixth dimension, you see more of the smaller
picture but you also see a lot of the bigger picture
in a larger extent than I do. For one thing, you
have access to your past lives, your mind thinks
Karra: yes, yep uh-huh.
Russ: so what's that take to the next
Karra: to the next level, I don't
know. I have the lacking in information
to be able to come up with a clear answer. If I said
I think, that is just thinking, it
is lacking concrete evidence.
Russ: all right, let's take some
evidence okay? Let's take Sananda.
Russ: now, Sananda choose to go
through a short lifetime of some 33 years......
Russ: to teach and in the end,
present a grander lesson that had been presented
Russ: okay. Could we then say that
Sananda saw the bigger picture which includes even
today what is going on from that act? Do you think
that he, from that higher dimensional point of view
he was at before he went down to third dimension, saw
to this point what would go on or only the big
picture to that point?
Karra: I don't know for two reasons.
One, I'm not a eighth or a ninth or a tenth
dimensional being and for two, I'm not Sananda.
Russ: I know.
Karra: I can say I think possibly
maybe, I could say all those things and it is my
point of view on Sananda. Omal is concurring with me,
saying that it is wrong when dealing
with a situation or a person that has
shown and taught that much to sit and conjecture is
just adding to the myths, stories and legends. But I
know what you're trying to say.
Russ: I like to think he did in my own
Karra: uh-huh, you can think what you
Russ: yes, I know, it's
a neat scenario.
Karra: yes it is, it is. But, by me
saying that I think, I feel when I don't know
Sananda. I've met him as many times as you have,
actually I've met him three times. I don't know
Sananda so for me to make a comment about somebody
of that importance that I've only met three times,
how can I do that and come up with the facts? You're
talking about myths and stories of somebody that you've
only met twice all cobbled together. What is true
and what is not true? I've heard a lot about
Sananda, all second or third or fourth hand
information. From that is everybody's point of view
so I can't say personally.
Russ: true but....right.
But the opposite to that statement
is the fact that he was just throwing dice.
Karra: maybe he was.
Russ: maybe he was?
Karra: who knows?
Russ: who knows? Right, what's
interesting though is though he went from the higher
dimension that he was at.....
Russ: came down to third dimension and
I'm seeing him among these gentlemen that he's
brought together who look up to him and he's
teaching them. Peter, Paul, Matthew, John and so on.
Karra: Luke, Mark.
Russ: uh-huh and he's actually talking
to these gentlemen in a third dimensional realm much
as you do to myself.
Russ: and to be able to do that for
him must've been just an incredible experience.
Karra: it must of been. Let us look at
it from a different point, a different angle.
Karra: okay? I'm a
sixth dimensional being, you're a third dimensional
Karra: he is 10th?
Karra: okay. The thought processes
that we go through are totally different. I think
faster than you do.
Karra: I have access to my past lives.
Karra: I can work out things quicker
in my mind. Okay, let us look at Sananda and this is
totally projection and totally my opinion.
Karra: it's not based in general fact,
it is my opinion.
Karra: obviously to me, he thinks
faster than I do. He has access to all his past
lives, he has perfect recall of those past lives.
Not, my opinions from those past lives but he
has.........or not his opinions from this past
lives, he has by closing his eyes can actually
experience the life as it was and he can
play it through his mind, a whole entire life.
All the thoughts, feelings, emotions, points of
view, all of that in the space of because in my
opinion that he thinks faster, he can probably
experience a whole entire life in maybe five
minutes. Now, being able to do that for many, many
past lives, may be able to see patterns where he is
not looking into the past but into the future.
Seeing all these possible outcomes and how each
emotional status and each emotional behavior is
going to affect further down the line. By being able
to experience not only his past life but the group
consciousness of the planet that he is from or the
planet that he has chosen to visit, will be able to
see how his emotions and behaviors and behaviors of
people interact in a way to affect the future. Now
the faces may be the same, I don't know,
could actually be seeing into the future by looking
at the most likely
Russ: so you're saying, and this is
only my opinion......
Russ: Sananda's an artist. Sananda has
a canvas in front of him, the picture he started has
got these swirls and colors and forms that he
Russ: but the rest of the canvas is
blank but he can project how the rest of that canvas
is going to look by which brush strokes he's going
to make here and how they're going to interrelate to
these other strokes he's going to make later on.
Karra: I don't know hon.
Russ: but if that's true, and it's
only conjecture in our opinion.......my
opinion anyway, then isn't that true for all of us?
We're all artists, we all have our own canvas' that
we're creating upon.
Karra: I don't know hon and Tia
is pointing at your recording device.
Karra: and saying that as we have
three more speakers, I've got to cut it short.
Russ: well we end on a good note.
Karra: uh-hmm, "I don't know."
Russ: thank you my fellow artist.
Karra: let me go and find a bottle of
Russ: fair enough.
(Tia passes from sister to sister.)
(Tia says hi in
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, okay next speaker.
(Kiri makes a brief appearance.)
Russ: yo Kiri.
Kiri: okay, any questions for me?
Russ: nothing but the obvious.
Kiri: okay, what is the obvious?
Russ: the artist question.
Kiri: nope, not going to answer it,
don't want to play, nay-yeh.
Kiri: and due to the fact that the
last two speakers are probably going to take up
some time, I shall be off. Besides, I have to go
act on some hormones.
Russ: have fun my dear.
Kiri: oh I will.
(Tia's back from barely sitting down.)
(Tia says hi once more in
Tia: okay, let be put on the second
from last speaker.
Tia: catch you later.
Russ: bye love.
(Leah takes over from Tia.)
Russ: hello Leah.
Leah: how's it going?
Russ: good my dear, yourself?
Leah: good, excellent.
Russ: glad to hear that dear.
Leah: uh-huh. It's nice having my
little sister around for extra time.
Russ: oh yeah, I'm happy for you two.
Leah: uh-huh okay, what are we to
Russ: well I suppose I should
probably get off the subject I'm working on
because that'll just take up too much time
Leah: how much time do you have on
your recording device?
Russ: oh I've got half, a little more
than half a tape.
Leah: okay so we do have.....
Russ: I've got about probably looks
like 30 minutes maybe?
Leah: uh-huh, theoretically. Okay,
theoretical mind exercises for increasing thought
processes......thought actions. Karra
got me thinking about that.
Leah: being an engineer, I have to do
a lot of skull work and how that works for me.
Okay, skull work is where I take a problem and I
try to work it through in my mind to see how it
will go. For example, let us say I have to
construct a replica of an arm okay?
Russ: replica of a what?
Leah: a replica of an arm.
Russ: arm, oh arm.
Leah: a Sirian arm.
Leah: okay? How would I do it? How
would it work? Well, by applying pressure here and
here to make it move like this, how do I do that?
How do you make that work? And what I do to help
in the thought process is first of all, I go and
read on the arm, what does it look like? I'll pull
up holos of the muscle structure, the bone
structure and I will strip it down to its barest
essence of just the bone and then I will add in
things. Now having seen how this works, I won't
get the hologram to manipulate it and make it
move, I will try to figure out how it moves, why
it moves and what muscles do what to make it move.
Now, here's the entertaining part. Having figured
out how this part, the upper arm and the lower arm
work together to make it to do this to bend, okay
now for the replica that I'm making.....the
robotic replica of a Sirian arm, you've got to do
the fingers. How do you do the fingers? How do you
make them move the way that they do? Now I've only
looked at this part, this is where it gets hard
and entertaining, if you call it entertainment.
What I do.....did I make his body move completely
Russ: uh-huh, a little bit.
Leah: okay, what I do is, I would
make miniature replicas of the fingers.......or
not the fingers, of the arm as fingers and connect
them all together. Yes this is something I have
I made a robotic arm
Russ: now how's this have to do with
the mental processes?
Leah: well because the first part is
visual, this part, is done in here. I have to work
out how to make these puppies work. Now
constructing it is part of the mental process
because you have to know where things are going to
go. You have to have a pre-planned idea whether it
is written down or held in your mind or stored as
images is all controlled from here. You have to
make the decisions and in building it, you have
to.......you have to what? You have to....look at
the images or decide where things go so that is
done mentally which takes reasoning. If you were
to let's say connect this muscle to here, it's not
going to do this is it?
Leah: because this muscle here has to
tighten as this muscle loosens. I'm having
difficulty with your language tonight, you
might've noticed that.
Russ: no problem.
Leah: where do you attach the muscle
to make it do that? Well if you attach it here and
here, you can make it as tense as you want and
with the one here and here, you can make it as
loose you want. It's not going to do anything so
what do you do? You have to attach it in the
correct places which is done by making the correct
decisions in your mind by doing the correct
research and trying to figure things out.
Russ: and to see it all in your mind
as one piece with all the interconnecting parts
once you have it all figured out.........
Russ: before it ever takes any
Leah: correct, that is part of
increasing the thought processes is practicing to
be able to see it in your mind. That to be able to
hold it in your mind, look at it, spin it, rotate
it, turn it and think through each process.
Russ: now apply that to life and what
do you get?
Leah: that's the next stage.
Leah: let us get back to the robotic
Leah: what uses would a robotic arm
Russ: well it would work in a
hazardous environment for uses where you could not
use a regular arm.
Russ: for example in micro
engineering or just regular nuclear or biological
work where a regular arm might be destroyed using
Russ: but you need the tactile senses
or the ability to use the digital qualities of an
arm to manipulate the pieces that you're working
Leah: uh-huh, correct. Now having
constructed your artificial arm, your robotic arm,
you have to think of what uses as you've
just pointed out. Now, the next stage from that
because you have think, okay what's the next stage
from the uses?
Russ: are we using tactile senses
though with those arms or it's just a dead arm?
Leah: well it's a nonsensical arm at
this point let us say. It's a dead arm, it has no
Leah: the next stage is, okay how do
we improve it and make it do what it's supposed to
Russ: add tactile senses.
Leah: correct. Now, having been able
to get the tactile senses, how do we improve that?
Russ: attach it to your brain.
Russ: so that you have the input that
you need to make the correct decisions based on
the tactile senses that you receive from those
particular nerves or receptors.
Leah: uh-huh but let us say that that
you are dealing with radioactive material.
Leah: you can't go in there with your
robotic arm and just pick it up and move around
because the radiation is going to make your body
decay correct? It's going to become radioactive.
Russ: it doesn't matter, it's a
Leah: yes but you're saying that it's
attached to you.
Russ: from a set of leads that you're
in a safe room.
Leah: okay, now we're getting
somewhere. How is it attached?
Russ: well it's attached in the way
that your helmets are able to input any thought.......through
a helmet system where it's attached to your brain.
Russ: having the leads going into
Leah: okay, and it's attached to your
Russ: just like the pilots fly the
(The base pilots.)
Leah: how's it attached to your
Russ: how is it attached to your
brain? It's attached to your brain through the
helmet. The leads go into your helmet so you are
able to use the arm and feel the senses as if it
was your real arm.
Leah: okay, how?
Russ: well now see the helmets we're
getting into a whole technological area that Kiri
hasn't quite made common knowledge to me just as
Leah: and for a very good reason.
Russ: well yeah correct, I mean I
could make a number of hazardous guesses on how it
Leah: okay, let's hear your hazardous
Russ: well, the hazardous guesses I
have is that the probes that are inserted into the
brain once you have the helmet on attach
themselves to various parts of your brain that
have to do with motor control, sensory functions,
endorphin and so on releasing of various chemicals
in your body and so therefore one of the leads or
many of the leads coming in from the arm would
have to attach to the probe that directly receives
Leah: so you're saying that you think
that the......how it actually penetrates into the
skull, through the skull into the brain.
Russ: and you'd have to have some
leads that went from sensory input to the brain
and others that went to motor control in the brain
so that you could control the actual arm movement
Leah: I'll have to talk to Kiri about
this but I don't think they work that way.
Russ: yeah like I say, Kiri's not
been real open-minded about sharing all this
information with me.
Leah: probably for a reason.
Russ: well of course, Omal would fire
her little tush.
Leah: uh-huh. So.......
Russ: so under pain of having Kiri's
tush fried, I have to make these radical,
Russ: but I know that I'm fairly well
right because I've been to points where they've
had helmets taken off and unfortunately they left
rather nasty little pinpricks afterwards.
(From my flight training with Karra's son Nazreal
his search and rescue craft.)
Russ: where they were taken off
suddenly let's say.
Russ: so I'm assuming they do pierce
Leah: I think it's safe to say that
they do pierce the skin, as for the skull, I don't
Russ: maybe not the skull.
Leah: uh-huh, I don't think so.
Russ: but how they get through the
sensory inputs through the skull to the brain
itself without actually going through the skull, I
have to assume is possibly nonmetals.
Leah: I've got Tia looking at me very
Russ: I can imagine we're deep into
gray areas now.
Leah: uh-huh and I think.....
Russ: you start making hazardous
guesses then we're both in trouble.
Leah: it would be best if.......I'm
reading here.......if I.......if I..........
Russ: dropped the bloody subject.
Leah: if I.......oh, let it go okay.
Russ: same "ting".
Russ: nice try.
Leah: Tia was going......okay, she
says if you want, she can go and get Kiri to....
Russ: no, I've already worn a helmet,
I already know what they do.
Leah: uh-huh. Okay, but you see that
by what we've just done.
Leah: we've done the mind exercise.
Leah: now the thing is, how to
construct the helmet.
Russ: oh Tia's going drop, drop,
Leah: no, no, no, no,
I'm taking it as a mental exercise.
Russ: okay, how
do we construct the helmet?
Leah: yes, this is......and I'm not
going to......I'm going to tell you how to go
through the thought processes. Okay, first of all
you visualize the outer shell.
Leah: okay, you visualize and think
about what you want it to do. Okay you want it to
control an object.
Russ: I want to receive images and
sensory input and control the object.
Leah: correct. Okay, I was going to
get to that before you so politely interrupted.
Russ: my mistake.
Leah: okay, you have it doing what
you have said. Okay, how do you get it to do that
without causing irreversible harm?
Russ: well it has to act as a....
Leah: no, no don't interrupt,
I'm being deliberate.
Russ: oh I'm sorry, sorry.
Leah: okay, how do you get it to do
that without causing harm? How do you achieve that
goal? And finally, which sucker do
you get to be the test pilot? All very important
processes in the thought process. Even before you
build it, you have to know how you're going to
build it, how it's going to work, what it's going
to do. Because it's no good building something
with no idea on what it's going
to do, no idea on
how it works. What's the point of doing it if you
don't know that? You see?
Leah: so how do
you do these things? So you have to, when you're
doing a thought exercise is, you see the end
product and how it's going to look without seeing
the internal mechanisms, you
think about how you're going to build the
mechanism. What materials are you going to need?
How are you going to construct it? What's its
function? How are you going to achieve that
function in the safest possible way and who are
you going to get to test it? Because it's useful
to have the test pilot from the get-go. Because if
you're going to build it, you want to custom make
it so it fits snugly for them to start off with.
Then you can mass-produce it from there.
Russ: in essence, let's
take this cycle over here in front of me.
(An elliptical crosstrainer in the room.)
Russ: all right, I'm sure you see it
on the monitor okay?
Russ: all right, someone had to know
what exactly they wanted to do with this.
Russ: they had it in their mind,
probably without the shell, they just had the
basic function of what each item was going to do.
Russ: and they had the end product
figured out what it was going to do.
Russ: from there, they had to
construct each internal mechanism that would make
it do the end product.
Russ: once they had that down, then
they had to figure out the external parts that
would make the internal parts...it would come up
to the final function that they were talking
Leah: well from what I see on it is,
it's basically a lever like this way, with a lever
across, swinging bars and a bar on the bottom.
Leah: okay, pivots, ratchets and so
on, very primitive, very simple. The bars from the
top with the loop arm and down and across are all
cosmetic. You can do away with them, it's
Leah: but cosmetics are
pleasing to the eye.
Leah: so you have to factor in how to
use the cosmetics for a function. You have to
stand on them and use them as levers.
Russ: well as with your robotic arm,
first off you have to see the end product. Before
you can do that, the end product is all cosmetics.
Russ: you've got to
start with a framework.
Leah: correct. When I say the end
products I don't include cosmetics.
Leah: I see the end product as....
Russ: well I see it with the
cosmetics, I see with the flesh and flesh color
Leah: that's unimportant, that's
Russ: I know, that's the
end product though I see.
Leah: yeah that's not my end product.
My end product is creating the arm and make it
functioning, make it work as I want it to work.
What you do with it after that is up to you. If
you throw flesh, slap some paint on it, put
finger...fingernails on there, fine but
I've done my job which is creating a mechanism
that works. However, if the cosmetics interfere
and make it so it doesn't work, then I get
Leah: okay, anything else?
Russ: that's it.
(Tia comes back to once again hand off between
(Tia says hi once more in
Tia: and off she bounces, out of the
bamboo, good. Okay, last person.
(Bunny/Huna ends the night
with some classic Bunny comments.)
Russ: hi there Bunny.
Bunny: hey, how's it going?
Russ: good darling, very educational.
Bunny: uh-huh, very educational.
Russ: you my dear are the one person
who will certainly be able to understand what
we're discussing tonight more than anybody else I
Bunny: what makes you think that?
Russ: you're an artist.
Bunny: yes I am. Talking......I'm
also a medical student.
Bunny: uh-huh. Okay, what do you want
Russ: how to apply the thought
processes that your sister was so apt in
discussing and using them to create your life.
Bunny: okay, so we're going to start
with the hard questions first, fine.
Russ: you want fun and frilly, we'll
go fun and frilly first.
Bunny: whatever you want, I was
actually going to make some comments. How do you
Russ: okay hard questions first then.
Bunny: okay, how do you do it or how
do I do it? Well, you're not going to like this
Russ: I'll take it.
Bunny: I take things from the past,
analyze it and work out how it worked in the past
and it should work in the same way in the future.
What I know as was, I apply it to what is. You
Russ: uh-uh because it doesn't always
work that way. Because it did at one time, doesn't
it's going to do it
Bunny: no, but it's a place to start
from and I think you don't understand what
I......you don't understand what I just said don't
Russ: no but I sure would like
elucidation on this.
Bunny: okay, what do you think I
Russ: that you look at what's taken
on in the past which could be a number of things,
past lives, past experiments.
Russ: past lessons and then you apply
them to what you're working on in the future.....
Bunny: okay, it's actually past
lives. I access my past lives.....
Bunny: and compare to see if I've had
any experience with it in the past, the ones that
I have access to and apply it to "okay, I know it
works this way." Okay I have let us say I take a
healing where I'm fixing bones okay? A broken
arm as arms seem to be the flavor of the moment.
Bunny: okay, I'm fixing an arm. I
know if I put a splint on it and wrap a gauze with
a mixture of hardening materials that I can create
a cast to protect the arm and therefore make the
bones knit together. I look at all those
experiences that I've had and see all the ways
that it's been done, that I've done it. I see
which ones that are more successful than others
and I do that for the first try. If it doesn't
work, then I go to another one and another one
until I find one that works. Let's say I've done
six of them in my past lives. Okay, I've tried all
six and none of them work. Then I start
improvising and refining and using techniques, a
little from one, a little from another until I
come across one that does work. The fact that I'm
doing this, I know that I've done it before so you
see what I'm saying?
Bunny: now let's take something a
little different. Mental mind probes and
understanding how my actions and manipulations can
help to heal in using my mind probes. For example
last night, you want to hear all about it?
Russ: give me the details babe.
Bunny: okay, one person that I
absolutely love and adore and a young lady that
was involved in a past life, a recent past life,
to work out a karmic hostility problem had to join
in an intimate way. Now, this is the first time
that I've ever, even in my past lives that I have
access to and that's the key word, have access to,
I have ever done it, first
time. And in doing so I learned several things.
For example, I can't watch the auras and probe
their minds at the same time to see their sexual
readiness. I can see the fact that they're
sexually aroused but whether or not it is focused
at me or at each other is very difficult to
determine by just looking at the auric
appearances. Being able to penetrate under their
natural mental shields to the selected area to
implant thoughts and to read the thoughts to be
able to react in a particular way, I can't do that
whilst I'm in the visual auric mode, I have to
change modes. So I had to learn to decide which
was better to use. Which do you think is better to
Russ: the auric fields.
Bunny: no, because it's unfocused.
Russ: the other one is interference
Bunny: not quite.
Russ: you're talking about implanting
Bunny: it's a positive way of using
coercion in a healing process.
Russ: (Chuckles) okay.
Bunny: okay, the possible outcomes of
the hostility is that it got worse and created
problems. Serious not
only psychological but physical problems because
one of the parties is so passive and the other is
Bunny: okay so you're looking at a
karmic problem here where two people had to join
to overcome a karmic problem to get the ball
Bunny: okay, neither of them were
willing to do so. Neither of them were
willing........and it has to be done at a young
Russ: well I have talked to both of
them, I understand your problem quite nicely.
Bunny: uh-huh, yes so it has to be
done at an early age so that the outcomes are
beneficial for a longer period of time which evens
up and works out the karmic problem. So I have to
implant thoughts to push it in the right
direction. They're not commands, they're implanted
thoughts that they can act upon freely or ignore
freely. They recognize them as their own thoughts
but their own belief systems will manipulate
whether or not they actually do it. So it's not a
command, it is a thought. I'm not telling them "kiss
kiss Leah." That is not what I'm telling them to
do. I am suggesting, I am giving them options. One
of the things that whilst I was inserting thought
processes and giving ideas is that I lost
sensation of my sexual urges. When I finally got
them to stop using me and stop trying to satisfy
me because they couldn't because I no longer was
interested, my body was
sexually aroused, but it wasn't responding. When I
finally got them to respond sexually to each
other, then things for them started to happen. By
putting the first steps into action, getting them
to make love, set the rest of the things in
action. They're now more freer of their dislike
for each other. They now are acting upon the
attraction that was there, that they were strongly
sexually attracted to each other because of the
past life that they shared. By letting them use me
as a testing ground for how far they could go,
benefited them, not me. But being what I am which
is I think you would say strongly promis.....
Bunny: thank you......and having a
very healthy sex drive, helped them. So I'm using
my sexual self as a healing tool of a karmic
problem. Now I know where my sister headed off to.
I know that because I went in whilst Omal was
talking and came back, I know that Lyka
is there waiting for her. I am pretty sure that
they are starting to, they're probably smooching
at the moment. I'm also working with another
medical student that is on the base that's a
eighth year engineering medic on a few little
ideas that I have. Okay, do you have any
Russ: hmmm, so you feel satisfied
that your work is almost done?
Bunny: almost done, there is one last
thing that I have to do. Satisfied? No, I wasn't.
Russ: why not?
Bunny: because I'm going to have to
tinker with it from time to time
because I think that they may not go all the way
that they should. Let's.....