(Tia starts us off with a
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay Russ........tonight, October the 14th
1997, approximately 20:30 hrs. correct?
Tia: okay, first of all let us get down to a brief
dissertation and brief I mean brief on my pet
subject which is morals......and scruples and the
difference between higher morals and third
dimensional morals. And being a third dimensional
evolved being that I supposedly am, I formulated
some of my own morals which we’ve covered in the
past but looking at current morals on your planet
and the moral degradation that I’m watching and
seeing and comments of Russ and more people hitting
a nudie site then hitting the Hades Base News. And
this in itself brought a fascinating thought that
I’m still trying to understand and that is the
preoccupation with sex and how that interplays in
the moral growth and how degradating it can be to
individuals, both male and female. The fact that
female sexuality and nudity seems to be more
explored than male sexuality or homosexuality except
for in the case of women which for some reason men
find so fascinating. First of all let me preface
this by saying on higher dimensions, sexuality is
first of all done by consenting people. It's done
for pleasure, there’s nothing dirty or cheap or
nasty about it whatsoever, it’s all very tasteful
and seems to be an expression of not only self-love
and love for the other person but love for the group
as a whole. For example when two people are in their
most intimate mode, two people that love each other
dearly and have shared many past lives together,
that in itself is an expression of purest love but
when it is two strangers that are enjoying an
intimate moment of pleasure between them, it is a
gift of thank you from one person to another and a
exchanging of intimate patterns on a group level
even though it is two individuals. So it doesn’t
matter if it’s female male, it's an expression of
love for the group, or male male or female female,
that is all an expression of love and understanding
and joy and happiness and release for the whole
entire group even though as I said it is just two
people or three people or however many people are
involved. However, on the third dimension on your
planet it seems that there are so many different
factors that come into play in the sexual act and it
can be turned and twisted and used in a different
way. It can be used as an escape, it seems to be
used as a power trip, it seems to be used to make
people feel better about themselves, it seems to be
used to.....come up with a interesting
expression......used to get one’s bangs. Very
strange expression that but it is a third
dimensional Earth expression. And it seems to me
that I can’t call it lovemaking because it’s not,
sex the act, the desire, lust is a.......I can't
think of the correct words but that in itself, the
act of using it for all those things that I
mentioned for lust, for self-gratification, for a
power trip, for getting bangs, whatever, in itself
opens up a whole list of moral dilemmas and
possibilities. And the feeling of she’s mine, he’s
mine is a interesting dilemma that when my man goes
off and has sex with another woman, and I’m speaking
as if I was on your planet in a third dimensional
level, I have to get jealous, upset and can I trust
him? And that is another past right there, trust. In
a more evolved environment you don’t need that trust
to have somebody race off, make love, have sex, get
their bangs, whatever you want to call it and then
wonder if they're going to come back to you because
on a higher level you know that they're going to
come back, you know that they are enjoying
themselves, they are fulfilling a need not only for
them but for the other person because it is mutual.
There is no such thing on a higher dimensional level
as rape, it is willing and consensual with both
parties. But on a third dimensional this seems not
to be the case and this is a conundrum to puzzle on
the evolutionary advancement. The jealousy factor,
let’s call it the jealousy factor, why would
somebody feel jealous about somebody else? It’s
because they perceive them as their mate, their
property, their friend, whatever and the fact that
they're going off and having fun and enjoying
themselves with somebody else seems to create
friction and dealing with that fiction is the first
step. So, in a third dimensional environment, is it
worth having free love? And the answer and
conclusion that I've come to is no except in certain
circumstances being where the parties involved are
spiritually advanced to be aware that the
ramifications involved. Behaving in a sixth
dimensional way in the joining and union in whatever
form. Okay, dissertation done.
Russ: okay, now we understand that there is no rape,
there is no real jealousy on a higher dimensional
Russ: but from a lower dimensional level from where
I’m looking at it, it almost seems like it’s
necessary for our evolution at this time.
Tia: yes, that's what I was trying to say.
Russ: but why?
Tia: why? To deal with those emotions, to deal with
those situations, how you handle them is
all-important. From what I’ve heard and having
whispered in my ear is that you seem to deal with
those situations very well in your capacity but your
partners on the other hand tend to get very confused
and distraught by them and causes all sorts of
Russ: well the fact that they're sharing you with
someone on a higher dimension is a little tough to
deal with sometimes.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes, next question?
Russ: okay, basically knowing that, knowing that
they deal with things even if a third dimensional
girl that they're jealous of but have no reason to,
it’s almost the just really problems that you’re
working out from past lives with them correct?
Russ: okay. Now why doesn't that happen on higher
dimensions, why don’t you have that karma to work
Tia: because we know what our or they know what
their karmas are, they know what happened and why
and how it interplayed over a long period of time.
It’s like looking at a picture and we use this
analogy over and over again and focusing on one
small section, that’s all you see but when you step
back and look at the whole entire picture you see it
as totally different.
Tia: and that is how it works with past lives is
you’re looking at the whole picture.
Russ: I see, so in another words you guys kind of
get together for a couple drinks and laugh about
your past lives?
Tia: well yes, they do.
Russ: they do right, that'd be kinda fun to watch.
Russ: I remember when you got all jealous and dah,
dah, dah, dah.
Tia: yes, basically from what I’ve seen.
Russ: hmm, that must be interesting to enjoy.
Tia: I should imagine it would be.
Russ: I can only picture it, I can’t see it for
Tia: I’ve seen it.
Russ: okay. I don’t have any other questions to go
over on the subject for now. Morals are always just
something you have to accept jealousy and rape and
all that stuff is just a third dimensional state of
mind that comes with the state of the third
Russ: we agreed to be here to learn these lessons,
well, we have to accept how we shaped our classroom.
Tia: correct. Okay…….
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal takes over from Tia)
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings. We will do a slightly different
format and I will go over Tia’s and then I will hand
back to her and then she will put on the guest
Omal: okay, let us address first of all her
dissertation and the discussion or her dissertation
on morals of a sexual nature and dealing with the
differentials of third dimensional and sixth
dimension which we must add into this the fact that
the past lives and knowing all their past lives
interact in the way that people behave on a higher
dimensional level and the conundrums that they have
in dealing with these past lives. And explaining
that two consensual adults joining in a intimate
matter normally interacts with their past lives and
the fact that these two individuals may not have
ever met in a third dimensional capacity but are
joining in and they know how the other people
involved in the joining, and I will explain this in
a few moments, will understand and accept the
joining for what it is. Now, in reference to the
other individuals involved, I’m not saying people
watching, I’m not saying people joining in, I am
saying partners, friends and associates of the
individuals involved in the intimate act and how
they perceive the joining. They are aware of the
past lives and the events that have occurred in past
lives so therefore they see the whole picture as Tia
put it and not just a part of the picture so that
the joining in the intimate matter is accepted in
the larger scale of things. For example a couple, a
male and a female making love without protection,
maybe the young lady involved is ovulating and she
wants a child from the best genetic material
available and knowing her past lives and knowing the
possibility that there is a being that is waiting
for rebirth that wants to be in contact with her
again, she is fulfilling a karmic debt from the
past. Okay, any questions?
Russ: no, you confused me pretty good there.
Omal: oh thank you, I do try.
Omal: I will be back.
(Tia gets us to our first guest speaker)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, we’re prepping up the guest speaker.
Russ: I need somebody to have to come in and
translate me for Omal's statements there so I can
get it out on the tape correctly.
Tia: ahhh, okay we’re prepping up the guest speaker,
we’re using a special setup for the guest speaker.
Russ: oh okay.
Tia: so there may be a delay of a few minutes or a
few seconds, we’ll see how it goes.
Russ: a lot of buildup here I’ll admit.
(We meet The Baron for the
The Baron: sprechen sie Deutsche?
Russ: (laughs) not really, is this the Baron?
The Baron: ja.
Russ: greetings Baron.
The Baron: greetings.
Russ: how are you tonight?
The Baron: I am doing well.
Russ: oh good. How do you like your time on the
The Baron: makes me feel young.
Russ: yes I hear you’ve been going down to Germany
and overflying that once in a while.
The Baron: nein, nein, not Germany, not Deutschland.
The Baron: fly over Flanders….
The Baron: Yvetot.
The Baron: Somme, Mons, all over area ja?
The Baron: was ist los?
Russ: laptop computer.
The Baron: ahh ja.
Russ: yeah, they didn’t have this back then down
there. (World War One Germany)
The Baron: nein.
Russ: so which reminds me, a lot of changes in the
area from when you last saw it.
The Baron: ja, lots rebuilt.
Russ: uh-huh, so what do you think, improved?
The Baron: different ja?
Russ: different, I'll agree, most different.
The Baron: ja.
Russ: and we’re honored to have you on the base and
very honored to have you in this channeling session
The Baron: danke schön. Yours headset like I have? A
Russ: helmet, I have used it yeah.
The Baron: ja. Plug in told to think in……
The Baron: ja, ja, it is hard sometimes.
Russ: yes, you don’t know English I take it?
The Baron: ja, ja, sprechen sie, ja…….
The Baron: ein bisschen. So I think in English that
I know and ein bisschen Deutschland ja?
Russ: ahh ja, okay.
The Baron: young lady recovering from……..was
Russ: oh Katrina.
The Baron: ja Katrina but was vagen
Russ: dogfight, yes.
The Baron: ja. We try this setup but Russian might
Russ: yeah, they're a little bit different.
The Baron: so, you ask questions ja?
Russ: ja, mostly about your wishing to fly alone.
The Baron: ahh ja.
Russ: it seems a little..........dangerous.
The Baron: nein, nein, nein.
The Baron: Zetas.......(says some German) Zetas see
Russ: oh okay.
The Baron: and group mind?
The Baron: long time history.
The Baron: “ahh ja” and red (says something else in
Russ: your red plane.
The Baron: ja and, “uh-uh”.
Russ: they see you they go bugging off?
The Baron: ja.
Russ: your reputation precedes you.
The Baron: ja, ja!
Russ: I see, I see. So if you paint all the ships in
Ashtar Command red……
Baron: ahh but…….zwies craft are all red, Zeta
attack? Hmm, was vegan Red baron ja?
The Baron: hmm.
Russ: one of them could be you.
The Baron: ja but I think trick only work few time,
Russ: yeah, only a few times. It's a good trick
The Baron: little bouncy fräuleina say ask history?
Russ: oh, okay.
The Baron: okay, ask question.
Russ: okay now is there a difference in tactics with
flying a base ship compared to flying a World War
The Baron: ja, ja.
Russ: of course there is more things you can do, but
the tactics, do they still maintain?
The Baron: basic ja, basic.
Russ: okay, right.
The Baron: but some tactic you’ll never do?
The Baron: aircraft on your planet nein (makes
The Baron: ja?
Russ: right but you still have things like
The Baron: ja……
Russ: Boelcke's Dictum……
The Baron: ja, Oswald.......danke schön.
Russ: thank you, farewell.
(Tia switches us between speakers)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: well that was a nice surprise Tia, thank you.
Tia: uh-huh, thought you’d like that.
Russ: yeah, that was cool.
Russ: what a nice guy.
Tia: he was having a hard time with your English.
Russ: well it’s not exactly his first language
Tia: no true.
Russ: it was probably tough enough learning German
Tia: uh-huh. Oh well, I’ll put on Omal.
(Omal is back to end side one)
Omal: greetings once again Russ.
Russ: and greetings once again Omal.
Omal: okay let us go over the Baron. Hmm, can we or
Russ: I don't know, that's a tough one, glad it's
Omal: hmm, no I have an idea......
Omal: on your webpage........
Omal: you have a picture of a UFO.
Russ: yeah, I'd turn it red.
Omal: we will discuss this at a later time.
Omal: first of all I need to get clearance because
it is border point.
Omal: okay let us move on to my dissertation.
Omal: and then we will get onto our next few
speakers. Okay, consciousness and being, what is
consciousness? You are conscious, I am conscious,
the feline is conscious but what is conscious? Let
us look at one of your philosophers, Rennie
Descartes, “I think so therefore I am”. Is
thinking part of consciousness? Yes, a feline that
watches and waits has to plan. The reason I bring up
the felines is because there is a feline outside
yammering to get in? That feline is thinking, "how
can it get in, how can it get your attention?" That
shows it is thinking so therefore it has
consciousness. A bird flying, something like a blue
jay, that thinks of survival only, it is conscious
yes to a certain extent but not in a sense of
consciousness with being. It certainly has the
spirit, it certainly has thought but it is
rudimentary thought, more instinctual. So where do
you draw a line at consciousness? That is a tricky
question that on the seventh dimension we still
debate. Okay, let us look at sentient, thinking,
being aware, being spiritually able to grow. Well,
the bird fails in that category, the feline, some
felines do and some felines don’t. This simple
explanation on what is sentient, sentient is
thinking, planning, remembering, learning, growing,
growing spiritually, spiritual being. There is much
more to sentient then just the six items I just
covered. All these factors together make a being
aware and able to learn and advance, to plan. That
is part of consciousness. Factor into that group
consciousness, the consciousness of the awareness of
the group and the learning that goes from that,
being able to tap into the past group memory, to be
able to learn and grow from that. You would be
surprised how many people actually do that that
claim to be against spiritual revivalism. And in
doing so they are themselves involved in the
spiritual movement. I’m not talking about the more
popular religions, I’m talking about all spiritual
religions. Okay, do you have any questions?
Omal: first let the feline in.
Russ: all right, come on in guys. Okay now, as far
as first off the group consciousness and using the
memory from it to learn….
Russ: while we might be able to use it, is it a
conscious use that you’re talking about?
Omal: preferably yes but some people do it
Russ: okay, now how do we do it consciously?
Omal: through meditation.
Russ: okay. So, for example, if I go into meditation
and I wish to bring about the group consciousness of
Russ: to learn from and grow from, then in that
case, I am asking for that….
Russ: and my guides then I assume are helping me
Omal: correct. Here is a simple way to be able to
tap in to group consciousness. Sit in a comfortable
position, hands out in the normal fashion, if I was
sitting they would be like this, palms up, feet
planted firmly on the ground, close your eyes and
inhale gently. Now this would be 10 deep breaths,
feeling yourself relax all the time. Ask your guides
for guidance.........come here feline........ask
your guides for guidance down the correct,
appropriate path to learn what you may that will
Russ: so it’s similar to either a past life
regression or astral projection?
Russ: I see.
Omal: it is a little bit of both.......
Russ: hmm, I guess it would be.
Omal: blended together and used in a way that is
appropriate. After all, you are reliving the group
(Omal returns once again)
Omal: ……..just watch and be aware of what is going
on, how the past and the life that you are
experiencing may not be yours. It is definitely
something worth looking. Sometimes it is like
being a watcher outside of the event.
Russ: so this would be similar to the one time I
took somebody back to a past life but in between
the two lives she hooked into the Kent State
Russ: and suddenly was seeing the whole Kent State
thing from the eyes of someone who is looking over
one of the girls who was dead.
Russ: is that because it made such an impression
on the group consciousness?
Omal: certainly, it was a horrific event.
Omal: who was the person that you regressed?
Russ: oh this was an old girlfriend long, long,
long, long ago.
Omal: okay, it is possible that she had been
fascinated by the Kent State massacre……
Omal: and that she had some unanswerable questions
that she wanted answered.
Russ: ahhh, okay.
Omal: this is the best way to tap in to the group
consciousness, to relive a moment in time that you
wish to have a question answered.
Omal: if your guides do not see it beneficial to
you they will not help, you may end up looking at
something totally different. If they agree and
consent to help you on that past life, then you
may learn a lot.
Russ: okay, so that’s applicable to many
situations throughout Earth’s history?
Russ: oh I see, so you don’t have to see……..for
example, you didn’t live through let’s say the
French Napoleonic wars but something in that
period that really fascinates you especially one
battle in particular.
Russ: then you would ask your guides for
assistance to relive that battle.......
Omal: but why would you wish to see horror again?
Russ: well I suppose there is some learning that
can be gained from it.
Russ: I’m not sure what but I’m not in that life.
Russ: I mean we do learn when we go through our
own past lives the horror of our own deaths is
actually just a release into the next step….
Russ: and we get over the horror that way so
perhaps witnessing the horror of war allows us to
see war from its higher perspective which is…..
Omal: that is a possibility.
Russ: it is a possibility?
Omal: for helping to grow.
Russ: oh, yes.
Omal: okay, next question.
Russ: all right, now you spoke on the different
consciousness types between cats and blue jays…..
Russ: okay, this I would assume also fits along
with consciousness between individual humans.
Russ: some humans have more consciousness and the
ability to use that consciousness wisely……
Russ: and others use it merely for just to exist.
Omal: correct. Okay here is a good example.
Omal: we have this little one, I believe this is
Russ: that’s Mongi right.
Omal: okay, we have the noisy one over there…..
Omal: okay, which one is more aware?
Russ: oh Mongi
by a longshot.
Omal: correct, why?
is content wherever she happens to be at…..
Russ: she needs not, knowing that she will get
what she does need and isn't existing strictly
Omal: whereas that one…
Russ: is living on its stomach.
Omal: yes, instinctual.
Omal: this one lives on thought.
Russ: good point.
Omal: this one lives on spiritual growth. This
one......lives on a whim.
Russ: right so…..
Omal: he is aware, this one is aware, this one is
sentient, this one is not.
Russ: oh I see.
Omal: this one is borderline sentie.....nevermind.
Omal: sentient, this one is borderline not because
of instinctual activity and thoughtful activity.
Russ: now the only difference there is that Mongi
there doesn’t plan.
Omal: you don’t think so?
Russ: I can’t see it.
Omal: we will let the expert answer that.
(Russ starts laughing)
Omal: last question please.
Russ: okay. Now, as you say, many people use group
consciousness to be able to become aware and to
learn fast. Are we able to tap into the
consciousness of just people right around us in
our just local area for present group
consciousness to learn from?
Omal: yes and no, yes and no. The way that it
works is the individuals around you have a lot of
thought and static that is going on when they are
going through the motions of the present. The
interactions between other people creates the
karmic situation which gets recorded and held. It
is no good seeing what was a few minutes ago and
seeing how that affects as it has not had the
opportunity to be laid down and worked out in a
Omal: so the behavior is affected in the now,
looking into the short-term Akashic group
conscious records is limited in the fact that it
is still growing, there are still facts occurring
that leave you wondering.
Omal: you see it is like watching one of your
entertainments, getting to an exciting bit and
then it stops.
Omal: what happened? You don’t know. So you see
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: you’re welcome. I’ll be back.
(Tia the Ring Mistress is back)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hey love.
Tia: hey. Oh yes, expert time.
Russ: okay, does Mongi
(Tia speaks to Mongi
Tia: oh, so we're going to talk telepathically are
we? Yes, Mongi
plans very carefully, very, very carefully.
Tia: part of Mongi's.......(speaks the
cat's name in Durondedunn as Hurrah at the
process is, "if I sit patiently and watch and wait
and look sweet, they will stop and pick me up and
make a fuss of me. If I climb up and look over the
shoulder and make not a noise, not a sound, do not
jump, do not dig my claws in, they will pick me up
and make a fuss of me and I will return the favor
by making sub-vocal oscillations."
Russ: well that answers that question. Smart cat.
Russ: I would put him right there in the sentient
Tia: uh-huh, isn’t that what Omal said? That he is
Tia: uh-huh. I think as Hurrah
will be more sentient. Now, the most sentient cat
in the house, who would you think that is?
Russ: well it would be the heavy-footed lady up
Russ: the oldest cat in the house.
Russ: eldest cat in the house, lived the longest,
learned the most…….
Russ: and has Mark for an owner.
Tia: and who is the most manipulative cat in the
house which is thinking?
Russ: manipulative that is thinking, that have to
be little Ganja here.
Russ: no. Same one as upstairs?
Tia: uh-huh, because she has Mark wrapped around
her little claw.
Russ: I’ll take your word for it, she doesn't have
me wrapped around her claw that’s for sure.
Tia: well she’s only concerned with one person.
Tia: so she manipulates that one person and has
that one person wrapped around her little claw.
Russ: hmm okay.
Tia: yes I love you too Mongi. Sorry, Hurrah.
So you see?
Tia: with, we have four felines in here now?
Tia: we have lots of feline energy. Okay, in this
sentient level, number one, number two, Ganja and
Calvin number three and self-centered,
egotistical, acting on impulse and instinct,
number four (Pugsley).
Tia: we have a tie for second. Yes all right.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Karra gets to talk healing)
Russ: hi love, how you doing?
Karra: I’m doing fine. First of all, let us
address your question.
Russ: oh yes on Carrie.
Russ: how do you want to handle that? Do you want
to put her in as what we did with her as Carrie,
do you want to fake up a name, do you want to make
it as a patient, do you even want to put that
whole section in?
Karra: let’s put the whole section in because it’s
a very good healing section.
Russ: okay yeah I agree, it’s a great healing
section but I was just a little bit iffy about the
Karra: okay we have two options and the reason why
you’re suffering from confusion is because I’m
suffering from confusion.
Karra: one, we ask her or we put patient.
Russ: okay, well how about the patient?
Karra: the patient.
Russ: the patient, name withheld to protect…..
Karra: the innocent.
Russ: individual’s identity.
Russ: I assume not too many people reading this
page probably know who Carrie is.
Karra: yeah, maybe somebody does?
Russ: maybe somebody does.
Karra: the option that we have is it ties in with
Russ: right, yeah.
Karra: okay, now my dissertation.
Karra: okay, well let me start by saying it’s
getting to that time of year. We have an
interesting little problem occurring. Let us deal
with Group F and this will tie in with the Baron’s
visit. Can you tell me what happened on a
worldwide scale in 1918 that was of major
Russ: health wise?
Karra: no, drifting away.
Russ: swine flu?
Russ: some cold?
Karra: getting close.
Russ: Spanish flu?
Russ: there was such a thing called Spanish flu?
Russ: I never heard of it.
Karra: and it affected the whole world. It killed
approximately 30,000,000 individuals worldwide.
Russ: damn. Spanish flu?
Karra: uh-huh, 1918.
Russ: I never even heard of it before.
Karra: okay, the Spanish flu was a very virulent
flu epidemic or pandemic because it affected the
whole entire world. There are certain
circumstances which leave that as a possibility to
occurring again. If there is the same mutation in
the flu virus, the potential for a major
catastrophic planet-wide disaster is there. How do
you deal with a problem like that? Well one thing
is being inoculated.
Karra: but if there is a mutation that occurs and
you’re not inoculated against it, you are still
susceptible. Now, how do you decrease your
chances? Well obviously cleanliness plays into it,
taking every caution that you can to avoid getting
it. Now the important thing is diet.
Karra: such things as vitamin C, chicken, fresh
fruit, fresh vegetables, all these things help to
decrease your chances. Being in good physical
condition. It’s been brought to my attention that
Mark has a mild case of the flu.
Karra: but he’s been eating well, he’s certainly
in very, very great shape, very good shape. So,
these two factors, exercise and eating healthily
has decreased Mark’s chance of getting a severe
case of the flu. Having a mild form of flu is
inoculation against that particular strain of flu.
So let us assume that you have an epidemic of a
virus similar to the Spanish flu. Okay being in
good health decreases your chance, being eating
well decreases your chance, includes vitamin C,
chicken soups, chicken broths, fresh vegetables,
fresh fruits, etc. Okay, cleanliness plays a major
role, avoiding contact with individuals that have
the flu. Unfortunately being a healer you can’t do
that as much as you would like to so washing your
hands after dealing with somebody that has the flu
or somebody that is coughing and spluttering, not
standing too close. After all, the microbes only
stay alive for approximately 90 seconds so if
you’re far enough away that when they breathe out,
the flu does not get to you. So standing a little
bit further away when somebody is coughing and
spluttering is very useful. Okay do you have
Russ: yeah, could something like this really
basically take out that much of the world’s
population again or don’t we have the increased
medical facilities to deal with that?
Karra: you have the increased medical facilities
to deal with it but the question is, you have let
us say the Spanish flu.
Karra: okay, it is a virus that you have not
prepared against, what do you do to stop it? Well
you create a vaccine.
Karra: okay it is rampant, you have a worldwide
alert for Spanish flu……
Karra: who do you inoculate first?
Russ: the doctors?
Karra: yes, who else?
Russ: police or soldiers necessary to maintain it
and keep it in check.
Russ: world leaders.
Russ: and then the healthy population that can get
in and get it done.
Karra: okay, do you inoculate children, do you
inoculate old people?
Karra: do you inoculate medical personnel?
Karra: but you only have a limited number of
vaccines, therefore you have to make the decision.
Certainly doctors are high on the list.
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: medical personnel are high on the list,
police officers, military, they’re lower on the
list due to the fact that you have to decide who
gets inoculated and who doesn’t. Do children get
Karra: do old people get inoculated?
Karra: see I can't make those decisions, I can’t
make those calls on who should and who shouldn’t
but you have a limited number. Let us say you have
500 vaccines and 2,000 people.
Karra: who do you inoculate?
Russ: well the…..pretty much in the order we just
Karra: uh-huh, correct.
Russ: health personnel to maintain the health,
police and soldiers to maintain order to get the
vaccines to wherever else they can. But I'd say
before the police and soldiers, I'd take it to the
other medical personnel who are in charge of
discovering……putting together more of the vaccine.
Karra: good, good. Okay now questions.
Russ: okay, why do you bring this up at this
Karra: can’t say.
Russ: okay, we’re getting flu vaccinations every
Russ: is it best to keep up on the most current
kinds and what happens when society breaks down
and we have to fend for ourselves?
Karra: exactly, that’s my point.
Russ: we don't know how to make vaccines.
Karra: so what do you do?
Russ: find people who can, make sure they stay
Karra: uh-huh but I just told you how to decrease
your chances of getting the flu.
Russ: right but it still doesn't mean you're not
going to get it.
Karra: correct but it decreases your chances and
it makes your recovery that much easier.
Karra: you have to remember there are so many
different types that you cannot be inoculated
against all of them.
Karra: so therefore it is a matter of decision.
Russ: true. Well, when that time comes we'll see
if I can make that decision.
Russ: thank you Karra.
Karra: any more questions?
Russ: bye my love.
(Tia makes her last change of speakers for the
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi dear.
Tia: okay, what’s going on here?
Russ: it’s a kitty party.
Tia: uh-huh and where'd they all come into the
Russ: good energy maybe.
Tia: I think so. Okay, yes.......just had an idea,
when we ramp down to stop interfering with Mark’s
energy field we'd better remove all of them.
Russ: good idea.
Tia: hmm, conundrum, oh well.
(Kiri comes on quickly but makes way for the
second guest speaker)
Kiri: yo dude what’s happening?
Russ: hi sweetheart, good, how you doing?
Kiri: I think we got enough tape there.
Russ: yeah, I’m trying to save room on it for you.
Russ: for the beast.
Kiri: yes the beast. So did you enjoy my
dissertation? My sister tells me that it was
rather long-winded for you.
Russ: which dissertation?
Kiri: on Atlantis.
Russ: oh it wasn’t that long really, I'm just a
Kiri: oh okay. (Speaking to Tia) I think I will do
that Tia, okay. To speed up on this, we have a
guest speaker that has just shown up that would
like to talk to you.
(Wing Commander Taal stops by
to ask a question)
(Russ stands up and salutes)
Taal: be seated.
Russ: thank you Taal.
Taal: you're welcome.
Russ: greetings and how’s it going?
Taal: it is functioning within specified
Russ: okay excellent.
Taal: got that one in for Kiri.
Russ: good job.
Taal: okay, first of all, the first man to break
sound barrier is now oldest man to break sound
barrier at age of young 74.
Taal: did so today I am witnessing.
Russ: oh Breedlove?
Taal: first man to break speed of sound, who?
Russ: oh you mean Armstrong or........Yeager.
Taal: yes, did again today.
Russ: did he?
Taal: yes, now oldest man to break speed of sound.
Russ: oh, for his anniversary?
Russ: oh cool.
Taal: well not strictly true, oldest pilot to
break the speed of sound.
Russ: well who broke it that wasn’t a pilot?
Taal: many people on transcontinental delta wing
Taal: of mass transportation?
Russ: true, the Concorde.
Taal: okay, dissertation on genetics concerning
Mr. Yeager, Chuck for ease. Okay, little bit of
history. Long, long, long time ago before I was
twinkle in parent’s eyes. Before parents,
parent's, parent's, parent's, parent's were
twinkle in parent's, parent's eyes. Before genetic
manipulation of my race, individuals of great
potential for avionics breed, create first natural
pilot born-to-fly but limitations of body
necessitate gene manipulation. But back to first
born-to-fly persons. Much like now on your world,
dynasties of parents that fly, believe Glennis
Yeager never pilot, Chuck obviously good pilot. To
be 74 of your years and fighter pilot and
experimental pilot got to be good.
Taal: Yeager, now possibly first of many natural
pilots. Boyfriend fly around world with her, name
of.........what is name (Dick
Russ: don’t know.
Taal: build aircraft that crash with non-natural
pilot in area of coast over weekend (John
Russ: oh, hmm.
Taal: research name later. He possibly natural
pilot, Jeannie definitely natural pilot. Children
of Jeannie definitely natural pilot, no doubt. So,
starting on your planet, natural pilot
development. People of like mind enjoy flying,
have offspring, have more offspring. People that
have fanaticism for flying pass fanaticism on to
offspring, offspring addicted, hang with people of
similar interest, create the race. You see where
Russ: uh-huh, similar to your race.
Taal: correct. Now come problem. Development in
craft, G-Force, stamina, etc., limitations of
physical form. Now gene manipulation necessary.
You see problem?
Russ: yeah but we're coming onto gene manipulation
Taal: ahh yes, breeding of pilot race.
Taal: possible, very possible.
Russ: for space travel though.
Taal: did not a light go off above your head?
Russ: oh yeah.
Taal: uh-huh. So important to protect and look
after people, not just because my race once like
Taal: but because of future.
Taal: need people like that, see?
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Russ: okay we had a couple instances recently that
I wanted to bring up maybe you could help me with.
Taal: yes hear so I.
Russ: okay, apparently last week over the state I
believe of Texas or someplace, there was a huge
light in the sky of…..lit up the entire sky.
Taal: not I.
Russ: no of course not but they said the next day
it was a comet about the size of a baseball.
Russ: and they couldn’t find it but it was just….
Taal: of course, meteor size of baseball burn up
or scatter over wide area, area of limited
population, possible long time to find, possible
in body of water, was it?
Taal: more than likely yes.
Taal: we have to track and differentiate between
what is natural and what is non-natural. Ground
control do tracking, cadet. One function of cadets
is to monitor natural phenomena to be able to say
natural, not natural, look for signatures.
Russ: ahh okay, so it has a definite signature you
Russ: oh, okay. It just sounds like something that
they would hide if they were going to do it,
that'd be the way to do it.
Russ: it was just a meteor, of course it was.
Taal: and it was.
Russ: and it was.
Russ: okay good. Now another thing is, with Area
Taal: ahh yes.
Russ: I’ve heard two stories, one that they’ve
moved it to I think it's Colorado and everything
that's there isn’t there which sounds like a lot
of political smoke dragging there.
Russ: being as I saw the article in Science, News
and Science or something.
Russ: and the other thing is that a friend of mine
was driving by there a while ago and saw a big,
bright light just totally lit up the entire sky
from end one of the desert to the other and then
something kind of went racing by.
Russ: so it looks like they’re still testing.
Taal: yes. Nellis, home of testing.
Taal: Groom Lake, testing of new aircraft. Moved
new testing of new craft. Why move......? Best way
to say, for moving from area of 51, yes they have
and no they have not.
Russ: okay. Yeah and there's still parts of the
base that haven’t been moved and nobody leaves
Taal: you say that…..
Taal: I do not.
Taal: clever huh?
Russ: very clever.
Taal: make you think yourself.
Russ: uh-huh, good job, thank you Taal.
Taal: welcome. Hear you have visit of guest
Russ: uh-huh, the Baron.
Taal: yes. Matter come to discuss.
Taal: besides genetic and developments.
Taal: 10th of 11th month, we do honorary guard
with current defense force platoons?
Taal: for returning heroes.
Russ: oh, Lyka’s
Taal: correct. Commanding officers can request
guests to attend private ceremonies.
Taal: would you like to? You may say no if you so
Russ: no I’d be happy to.
Taal: okay but think before accepting, we early in
morning when platoons arrive….
Taal: would be of two AM our time? Not sure what
Russ: four AM.
Taal: also guests stand in front with commanding
officers? Act as…..do not know word….
Russ: reception committee?
Taal: no, hold objects to be given to returning
hero commanding officers.
Taal: no, big objects in cushion and on the
Russ: not medals........awards, trophies?
Taal: rolled paper with wood and also special
Russ: oh okay, so I'm not sure what the Sirian
words would be for it but we use I guess diplomas
would be one way but that’s not quite right,
they’re not graduating.
Taal: do not know words.
Russ: well we’ll figure it out. Just….
Taal: ask cadet, he know.
Taal: cadet is also friend of yours and mine. I
hear rumor has he get one stripe soon?
Russ: very soon (Mark).
Taal: ahh, make him happy.
Russ: yes it will.
Taal: now having done second part of reason here,
I go off.
Russ: thank you Taal, I shall be happy to attend.
Taal: let know next week on decision.
Russ: okay, fair enough.
(Kiri starts suddenly and ends
the session but we really needed more time)
Kiri: tis sad that Sarah had to go through what
she did but that is part of her cross to bear as
Russ: well she did help out others.
Kiri: uh-huh, I got to fulfill my promises. The
last time that we talked, we talked about death of
course, that’s much on her mind, we talked about
rebirth and her conundrum. And her conundrum was
that she wants to be my daughter and how we were
going to do that.
Kiri: and also the fact that she wants to be
rebirthed as soon as possible which leaves a few
Russ: well the thing is that she’s the one who
will figure that out.
Kiri: oh yeah, yeah. At the moment she’s not in
the waiting period, she is still waiting to be
laid to rest.
Russ: so is she still hanging around?
Kiri: uh-huh. Then she will go to the waiting area
which is normal in these circumstances of great
trauma that she feels that she hasn’t quite
finished and she needs to say goodbye but she
doesn’t want to go too far away from
her........her shell which is part of the reason
she’s going to be laid to rest where she is is so
that she can go and say goodbye to everybody and
then leave from her shell.
Russ: so she’s hanging around the Hall of Waiting?
Kiri: uh-huh which is one of the reasons I have to
go down and change the flowers, I promised I would
put fresh flowers every day.
Russ: that would explain a lot.
Kiri: what do you mean?
Russ: I went down there with Karra yesterday.
Kiri: do tell, do tell.
Russ: oh nothing to tell, just one part of me said
that she’d already left, the logical part, one
part of me said that she was still there.
Kiri: yeah, she is.
Kiri: which is fortunate for us.
Kiri: due to the fact that we can get
communication with her on what she’s going to do,
what she wants. It’s something you’d have to grow
up with to understand.
Kiri: the fact that she’s waiting and she will
accompany us on the final trip and then she will
do what she’s got to do, say goodbye to everybody
and then she will go to the time of review and
waiting for rebirth. Now her problem that she’s
having difficulty understanding and is being
helped with is the fact of when we discussed that
she wanted to be my daughter she wanted to follow
in my footsteps, I said to her, "do want to head
librarian?" And she goes, “yes”. And I said, “do
you know what that entails?” And she goes, “being
able to be there all the time to be in charge of
the records, saying who can’t and making all those
decisions, learning them…..
THE TAPE ENDS