FLIGHT TRAINING AND FLOWERS 07/09/96
Archivist Notes: As the name suggests,
this month is all about flight and flowers. Flight of
either the mind, air or space and flowers found only
on Sirius. Tia is first up with the flights of the
mind as she gives a very detailed dissertation on
Astral projection. She provides not only the various
types but also the levels of astral projection. Omal
wraps up side two going over flight of both air and
space as he discusses the various versions of the
flying wing before a fascinating talk on the UFO's
that were captured that may have led to its design.
Kiri gets side two off to a rousing start
with a categorical description on the three types of
flowers found only on Sirius and their effects.That
leads into her topic on some of meditation techniques
used on Sirius. Karra follows her sister with
answering questions concerning magnets, crystals and
their use in healing on the base. Tia finishes the
session with a hilarious Abbot and Costello routine we
all wittingly or unwittingly performed. One thing of
note, the session referred to from time to time is
known as "Girl's Night Out" which may never be added
to the net due to the lack of any useful conversation
and explicit nature.
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(Tia starts the channeling session off.)
Tia: hello, greetings.
(Starts in a long conversation with a cat.)
Russ: okay, everything checks. Alright, ready to rock and roll.
(Tia continues her conversation with the cat.)
Tia: what does the chronometer say?
Tia: 8:41. Okay, you want to pause that? I have a mission, I
have a mission.
Tia: okay we're back on the air and she wasn't there.
Russ: I said bummer.
Tia: okay, down to business.
Russ: okay. All right darling, I've got to work on Tia's
Tia: Tia's tips on astral travel.
Russ: I'd like to get something on this one. I want to put a
couple of sections in. One from the other night that I'm
working on right now and one from maybe tonight.
Tia: uh-huh, well there's also some that Mark e-mailed to
you or I e-mailed to you.
Tia: you have that still?
Russ: I've got it all. I've got it, I haven't got it online
Tia: okay. You're probably.......you're going to have to
rearrange the wording slightly.
Russ: I usually do.
Tia: because I mean it's you know 90% me through Mark but
Mark was totally conscious whilst we were doing it so
there's probably spelling because I was dictating to him
fast and he would go "whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa....slow
down, slow down, slow down, in English please, in English
Russ: why didn't you just record it?
Russ: should have just recorded it.
Tia: recorded it where?
Russ: on a tape recorder.
Tia: well it's easier for you. All's you have to do is
transpose it from one place to another. You just
take that and email it to.......
Tia: you know, correct the spelling and put it more in
line.....what's the word? Add in the grammatical phrasing
and everything and probably turn some of it around. Take out
a line, put it somewhere else because I'm pretty sure that
Mark doing dictation isn't as fast as or as good as if I was
typing it. But there again, English isn't one of my stronger
Russ: that's true. Well I did get Kiri and Karra's online.
Tia: oh but you haven't got me.
Russ: no, you're on there.
Tia: but you haven't got......you've only got my bio.
Russ: bio yeah, that's all I've got for them too.
Tia: oh. But yet you've got Taal down.
Russ: well Taal and Omal were the first ones on the tape.
Russ: there's just you saying "okay, well I'm going to put
on the first speaker right now." And then there is you
going, "okay, here's the next speaker now." There is not a
lot that really fits in as big subject matter there. And I
mean you didn't really talk a whole lot that session. You
know we didn't really get into long conversations I don't
Tia: why? Was there somebody else here talking as well?
Russ: no, we had Kiri and....
Tia: no I mean down there.
Tia: where you are. As opposed to me being up here, was
there somebody else in the room?
Tia: oh, it was just you and us?
Russ: yeah, me and you guys.
Tia: I thought maybe Johnny might have been present or.....
Russ: no, this is the one that we did upstairs in the room.
Tia: oh, that one when Sandy was here.
Russ: no, this was the week after I think.
Russ: because this is Project
Haarp. Remember the one where we were working on
project Haarp and Taal came in?
Tia: oh yes.
Russ: I can't remember, you remember that probably better
than I do. Did you spend much time talking on that one?
Tia: no, not that much because it was a very crammed
Russ: yeah because I spent a lot of time with Omal on that.
So far I've only got through one section.
Tia: I think I'm on more towards the end.
Russ: yeah, that probably wasn't stuff we can really work
with. But anyway, if we can get something tonight, then
we'll go ahead and we'll add.......I can add that on.
Tia: oh that's the session, when Katrina.......when Taal
left and Katrina was still around.
Russ: oh that's right, yeah there is not a lot of workable
stuff on that one.
Russ: well let's put some workable stuff on tonight's
Tia: okay, astral travel.
Tia: okay, let us look closely at the various types of
astral travel. There is dream travel, which is the most
common of all types of astral travel. Most people at some
time in their life experience astral travel in a dream form.
There is the second type, involuntary astral travel. This
occurs when somebody is not feeling at their peak and they
wish to escape whatever ailment that they have. And some
times whilst lying in certain environments, for example a
warm sunny area that is comfortable they will feel their
body floating up above their physical body and this is the
second type of astral travel as I said, involuntary astral
travel. Okay, the third type of astral travel is.....would
be better to call it more along the lines of remote viewing.
This is where you almost leave your body and yet you're
still connected and you stretch out over a long distance or
a short distance even and you are able to view what you are
looking at but yet also hear the noises from the surrounding
area of your physical body. You can also answer questions in
this state. This state is quite easy because all's you do is
achieve a meditational state where you are still conscious
but yet you are also disconnected from your physical body.
Okay, the fourth type of astral travel is where you
actually, physically leave your body. You are aware of your
body, you are aware of noises but they are more remote and
distant like a noise coming from a great distance. This is
one of the more harder types of astral travel to do because
it involves consciously programming your destination on
where you wish to go whilst still leaving your body and
being aware of your body. This is the type of astral travel
that novices use. As I said, it is one of the more difficult
types but it is also quite easy to do because it is a
programmed thought process that you go through whilst
meditating. Okay the next type of astral travel or astral
travel type five is where you physically leave your body in
the astral form, you are no longer conscious of your body,
it no longer matters. This normally comes after a lot of
practice and experience as an astral traveler. I myself use
this method. This method involves shutting down all
unnecessary functions of the body which also includes
hearing, taste, smell and touch. You are no longer aware of
your surroundings. You are free to astral travel to wherever
you wish as far as your stamina will take you. Finally, type
six astral travel. This is where you travel as I described
in type five but you also manipulate not only the third
dimension so you can travel but the fourth dimension and
other dimensions. This is one the most hardest types of
astral travel to do. Now of these various categories, there
are sub-types. Involuntary dream travel, that is also very
common. Voluntary astral travel in an involuntary status.
What I mean by that is astral traveling and desiring to do
so but achieving it without desire. There are also other
numerous sub-types of astral travel as I have mentioned.
These are just a few of the types of astral travel as
opposed to the sub-types of astral travel. Now, there is
another sub-type of astral travel which is where you are no
longer conscious of your body, your body has been as you
might say parked into a level of awareness where it is not
aware of its physical surroundings. This again is a very
hard type of astral travel that I'm about to describe and
this is where you leave your body but you assume a physical
form in the physical world but in the astral form. Sometimes
you are actually visible to other people but more frequently
you are not. Individuals that are trained astral travelers
in this can also detect other astral travelers that are in
For example, the Dalai Lama, he can see those people that
are astral traveling in that form or most forms come to
that. There is another lama high up in the Himalayas that
frequently has visitors from all over the world. Okay, now
do you have questions Russell?
Russ: yeah, we'll go it from the last part forward. And that
is first off, how do you train yourself to be able see other
people astral projecting like the Dalai Lama and the other
Tia: that comes from actually achieving their level of
awareness. That they are master astral travelers themselves
and therefore they know what to look for, they know the
feeling of somebody.
Russ: well for example, what about Mark? Would he he able to
do the same thing?
Tia: I think if he thought about it and practiced, I mean he
can sense me when I'm around.
Russ: yeah but he can't see you or hear you.
Tia: I don't think he desires to. It's just is the fact that
I'm bouncing around and nine times out of ten, I want to see
what he's doing. For example, he could be washing the
Russ: hmmm, okay well what I'm thinking is that this is a
very useful skill.
Russ: that would come in handy in emergencies or something
else and would it be wise to pursue this at all?
Tia: for what purpose?
Russ: well for example, if you needed to warn somebody about
something, I mean you and Mark wouldn't matter because
you could just talk to him.
Russ: but like another astral traveler, the person would
have to be good as Mark right?
Russ: we won't find that. Okay, the next question
I've got is, what about the kind of astral travel which I
believe goes into category five in which somebody is in an
Russ: and they leave their body and have no sense of it?
Tia: no that comes under involuntary astral travel. It is
one of the sub-types.
Russ: that they wish to be gone from their body.
Tia: yes it is a trauma induced astral travel.
Russ: okay, then what about when somebody's working with
fasting or something?
Tia: again, that is a trauma induced astral travel because
your body no longer has the necessary sugar levels or iron
levels or any of the particular levels that it is used to,
it is induced into an astral travel state.
Russ: hmmm. Okay, I can see where that would be more harmful
correct, it is trauma induced astral travel.
Tia: trauma to me is a big wide field. I bite Mark's finger,
guess what I've just done?
Tia: I've induced trauma to it.
Russ: oh I see.
Tia: I stand up, I throw Mark's body down on the ground, I
break a leg, I've induced trauma. Or I accidentally step on
a piece of metal and it penetrates the skin and there is a
little pinprick of blood that comes out, I've induced
trauma. It is a big wide area for me. I know trauma is most
frequently associated with some kind of massive accident.
Russ: right. Okay, when a person wishes to appear somewhere
else in the physical form, this is known as D jumping
Tia: kind of, kind of. D jumping is where you actually strip
down your whole entire physical third dimensional being,
bones, blood, all the way down to the molecular level and
then you translate it to somewhere else.
Tia: you translate it and rotate it to a different point of
origin or goal.
Russ: ahh I see.
Tia: like a teleport. Are you going to put down when I talk
about trauma the fact that I actually bite Mark's
finger and pull off a piece of skin?
Russ: I'll put it in parentheses.
Tia: yeah, but getting back to D jumping, D jumping as I
said is like teleporting. That you take down your physical
form, break it down to a molecular level and then relocate
Russ: now a lot of people find that there is something
inherently scary about astral travel in the fact that you
have the possibility of leaving your body behind. I've heard
Russ: where they're worried they might not be able to come
back or they can get sick from it or they can be possessed,
how do you answer these questions?
Tia: I answer them by saying they are all possible however,
the chances of your body being possessed depends on where
and how far advanced you are in astral travel. Most
possessions occur with a experienced astral traveler but yet
has become lax, has got himself involved or herself involved
in things that are best not to be involved in therefore
their body becomes a gateway. Getting lost from one's body,
yes that can happen and that normally happens to novice
astral travelers but it is not a permanent condition. They
may lose their body and can't figure out how to get back and
by wandering around, they will find their body or they will
find somebody that guides them back. As somebody that may
possess, there are also people that protect and will guide
astral forms back to their point of origin. What was the
Russ: sicken and die.
Tia: sicken and die, again it is possible to pick up
sicknesses but this is because the astral traveler does not
take care of their body in advance and this is easily
remedied by getting enough sleep, eating the correct diets
and taking precautions before and after. Some of the
precautions that are useful to take before for a novice
astral traveler is maybe a shower, a warm shower so that
your body is perfectly clean and again when you return, you
would wash your body to wash all the negative energy that
you might've picked up away. Also being totally relaxed and
totally energized. If you have a low level of energy, you
are certainly going to lower your immune levels and astral
traveling does drain the physical body as well as the astral
body of energy. If you reach a point where you are very low
on energy and you're astral traveling, it lowers your immune
system in your physical body and again you can pick up
ailments. But this could be cured as I said quite easily by
getting the correct amount of sleep, showering, eating
correctly and behaving in a way that induces a relaxed
status and yet helps to energize the body.
okay. Now is there anything that you should do
concerning the use of shields in your practice of astral
Tia: not really to start off with, once you get into the
higher levels of astral travel, then shielding does play a
part in your physical......no, your astral form. Let me
explain the levels of astral travel. There is obviously
novice, very little experience on astral travel. Adept,
which has some experience and tends to astral travel in a
localized area of up to about 300 miles. Adept, somebody
that is quite experienced in astral travel and can travel
maybe a 1,000, 2,000 mile radius in astral travel. Master,
this is somebody that can astral travel and go explanatory but not
very far, maybe as far as your moon. Also they have lots of
stamina and are quite experienced at astral traveling.
Normally this comes after about five years. Grand Master.
These are the bad asses of the astral travel world and I
mean that in a positive way. They are like, how would you
describe it? They're good. They can go explanatory, distance
for them starts to become irrelevant. Two, three light
years, that's like getting up and walking across the room
for them. 10, 20 light years, that's like walking down to
the end of the street. 50, a hundred light years, now we're
getting into this serious range for them. They do that on a
regular basis or can do it on a regular basis. They can
also, some of them who are border point to the next level
actually transpose to different dimensions. Okay, the last
level, Paramount Grand Masters. These are the elite, the
best and I estimate that there's probably no more than maybe
50 on your whole entire planet if that many and I have just
been corrected, it is more like a dozen on your planet and
these are the real heavy dudes. Very serious, distance
totally irrelevant. Walk across the galaxy, no problem. Walk
to the next next galaxy, no problem. To the next galaxy, now you're
to stretch a little bit but they can do
it. They can dimension jump to different dimensions. Fourth,
fifth, sixth dimension is a bit of a workout for them but it
doesn't present too much of a problem. These are the
individuals that have a 50 to 60% chance of ascending to the
next level in evolution. These are the individuals that can
be a little bit on the strange side. They can be very
cranky, they can be very arrogant, they can be very nice,
very mellow, very relaxed, very helpful, very protective all
at same time almost. This is because they are developing to
a higher level. (One of the house cats interrupts the
session.) She wants to know where her cubs are. These
Paramount Grand Masters are the individuals
that as I said can be very protective. Not only of
themselves but of their knowledge and the people around
them. They are capable of all levels of astral travel. From
remote viewing, to dimension jumping, to traveling great
distances, they also have a lot of curiosity.
Russ: hmm, are there any that we would know from public life
like for example the Dalai Lama?
Russ: he would be one?
Tia: he is a border point Paramount Grand Master or he could
be a Grand Master.
but we don't know any Paramount Grand Master's in the public
Russ: and they stay to themselves. I mean what kind of life
would they be living? Austere and away from everybody?
Russ: oh eccentric.
Tia: uh-hmm. You see Mark is almost a Paramount Grand
Russ: yeah, his distance still needs some work.
Tia: uh-huh. But also the other part of a Paramount Grand
Master is the speed of thought. They can travel to anywhere,
anytime, anyplace just by thinking about it. Closing their
eyes, sit down, relax, think of where they want to go, bang!
Russ: and what about their body here?
Tia: their body here works fine on its own.
Russ: okay. Now another question I have is, for a Grand
Master or Paramount Grand Master or even a master....
Russ: what about when they're doing long-distance trips or
any trip of any duration whatsoever. Does their body......is
it able to rejuvenate while they are out of it?
Russ: so they live a shorter lifetime then?
Tia: not necessarily, not necessarily. Some of them
inherently have a long life expectancy.
Russ: yes but if their body's not rejuvenating itself and
let's say they're not taking really good care of it?
Tia: normally, if they're not taking real good care of
themselves, they do burn incredibly bright.
Russ: okay. So just for a warning for people to keep their
health a priority.
Tia: yeah or at least to keep active enough to keep their
body ticking along nicely.
Russ: ahh, I see. Okay well that should do it for now then.
(Says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Russ: bye love.
(Says something else in Durondedunn.)
Tia: oh you better put parentheses in on that that "Foawer"
Russ: I don't know even how to spell it darling.
Tia: Freaaaaooow but quickly.
Russ: fower..okay well.
Tia: well you work it out.
Russ: I'll work it out.
(Omal joins the session next.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ and how are you
Russ: greetings Omal, oh quite well. Working hard and I'm
afraid that Durondedunn loses a bit in the spelling
translation when you get down to it.
Omal: yes I imagine it would.
Russ: in fact many of the languages I'm sure from like
Sirian all the way to Durondedunn is little tough to
translate into our English spelling alphabet since I'm sure
they don't include the same letters.
Omal: I am quite sure that they do not also. Okay, let us
Russ: all righty.
Omal: notes from the commander's desk.
Russ: (chuckles.) currently I just sent off all the stuff we
did on Tesla and the Tunguska
Russ: and that's just the first section.
Russ: because that took up four pages alone. I haven't even
gotten yet to Project Haarp and the Montauk and all that
stuff that came on after that.
Russ: this is a chore. What I'll do is I'll have two
different sections and dated for the same day.
Russ: I'll put the end of the Tunguska that this ends this
section. For more conversations after this, look for
subjects that are dated the same day.
Omal: okay. Also, as was stated in the past, you might want
to get somebody type it up for you that is a quicker typist.
Russ: yeah that would be a good idea but then we come the
problem of who.
Omal: who, yes who?
Russ: that might be little bit tricky and cost some money I
think. Well we'll work on that. Okay, at present I am
currently working on some past UFO discoveries leading to
present day technological advances.
Russ: and what I'm looking at is something called the YB-49.
Russ: developed by a gentleman named Northrup.
Russ: back...and it lasted from 1948 to 1952.
Omal: would that be the flying wing?
Russ: that would be the first prototype of the flying wing
Russ: and it is closely linked date wise....(John walks in.)
John: hey guys.
Russ: Omal's here.
Russ: and geography wise to the recovery of the Roswell
Russ: I believe the Roswell saucer was recovered in '48?
Russ: and then all of a sudden you see this flying wing
being attempted to be created.
Omal: actually the flying wing does go back a little bit
Omal: it was a design that was designed towards the end of
your second great planetary war. There is a very easy way to
find out more about this. Mark has an assignment.
Omal: watch Weekday Wings for Northrop's flying wing.
Russ: oh okay. That will give us some more information.
Omal: more than you wish for.
Russ: I'm sure. Well the original, the YB-49 turned out to
be the B-47.
Russ: the YB-49 was just a few prototypes that never really
worked as where the B-47 flying wing, turned out two
thousand of them. That generally in turn......because that
was a radical departure from typical aircraft design at that
Russ: and that led to the B-2 and the B-2 became successful
compared to the original flying wings due to the fact that
all of a sudden the computer technology advanced to a level
where it could be mounted into a plane.
Omal: correct and also the engine capacity. The original
flying wing was designed for...
Omal: correct, piston engines.
Omal: they added in, big mistake, they added in turbo
engines. When you mix turbos from a design that is for
piston, you do not take into the fact that it is a different
type of engine that has a different type of effect on the
fuselage and the wing surface and the necessary lift
generating factors. They then added in also jet engines so
that you had a mishmash of technologies, a fuselage and body
that was designed for piston with turbines and also jet
engines. Does not work. If they had designed it originally
for jet engines that were powerful enough, then they would
not have had the problems that they had and they would have
had a functional aircraft.
Russ: so essentially it was a design problem with the fact
that the propellers turning causes the plane to want to
Omal: no. No, not quite. Let me reexplain what I said. The
technology for the original flying wing was designed for
piston engines. When they put turbines on, it changes the
flight characteristics of the wing. When you add jets into
the equation that have a different turbulence factor, you
again change the equation.
Omal: so you take a design of an aircraft that is designed
for one type of engine and you mount in a totally different
type of engine so therefore the effect is very different.
Russ: I see. A computer game that came out a few years back
Weapons of the Luftwaffe?"
Russ: showed a jet powered flying wing.
Russ: now was this something that was actually on the design
table of the Luftwaffe?
Russ: ahh, and what happened as far as that? War came to an
end too soon?
Omal: also if you look at this latest reusable shuttle and
also look at the "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe".....
Omal: you will find it there. Slightly different but you
will find it there. If you look at the European Apace
Agency's current reusable design that they're working on,
Russ: it looks the same. So this is basically close to a
Omal: try closer to 60.
Russ: okay. 60-year-old design being brought into a fact
where now with all our technology and advancements, we're
able to finally make it a reality.
Omal: despite all the corruption and twistedness of the uses
of the technology, the Third Reich was quite advanced. They
ranged from 10 to 50 years ahead of their time.
Omal: or is it, little question here, is it the fact that
everybody was 50 years behind them? Were they ahead or
everybody else behind? It is not the same.
Russ: does this mean that possibly then they were
Omal: I never said that.
Russ: no I know. We just were keeping ourselves from
advancing at a pace that we should of been and they just
went ahead and advanced at a pace much faster.
Omal: it is a matter of semantics......
Omal: I am leaving it open for debate.
Russ: oh I see. Ashtar is on the base right now isn't he?
Russ: has he heard about our current....?
Omal: yes he has.
Russ: and how does he feel about it?
Omal: I have not discussed it with him yet.
Omal: he has been on and off the base for the past week.
Russ: oh okay. Well at some point in the future I would
like to hopefully get him as a guest speaker we could add
Omal: I will see if I can arrange it but I must point out
that Ashtar is a busy individual.
Russ: understandable. If nothing else, I can always take
it from the archives.
Russ: I've got plenty of stuff we've already had from him.
Russ: okay. Now then, a few UFO projects that I've been
studying which takes us back to where we started
from is Project
Bluebird. (Project Blue Book.)
Omal: ah-hah, yes. I did receive a report from one of my
Russ: Project Bluebird originally was designed to be able
to not just reverse engineer any captured extraterrestrial
design but to actually go ahead and fly those designs.
Omal: uh-huh. Okay I received an interesting report on my
desk from an individual that went and saw a movie called
"ID-4". (Independence Day with Will Smith.)
Russ: oh, I haven't even seen that.
Omal: her report is that there are numerous scenes and
references to an area which supposedly does not exist
called Area 51.......
Omal: where they go in and they come across a vessel that
was found in 1948, they refurbish it and they use it to
defeat the invaders.
Russ: ahhh. Okay so this ties very closely on what my
question at that point.
Russ: okay why all of a sudden would a movie come out with
this particular scenario built in? It seems very
Omal: uh-huh. Might I make a suggestion?
Omal: it would be useful for both of you to go and see it.
Russ: I agree, I agree, how about we work
on it for tomorrow? I can get us in. I going to have
to pay for us to get in.
Omal: what is wrong with the 9 o'clock?
Russ: sold out. They're all sold out.
Russ: every day it's been showing it's been sold out.
Omal: what about the unit from the projection room? (Due
to my being a manger a theater of the same chain.)
Russ: you don't get the same effect.
Russ: possibly I might be able to get a private showing
arranged but that might take a little bit of work. One of
the things about this is that okay we have a movie in
which aliens invade Earth, we find Project Bluebird in
Russ: and it's probably one of the most popular movies to
come out in a decade.
Omal: but sadly it predicts, portrays aliens in a negative
light. Not all aliens are like that.
Russ: agreed. Well that's why we're starting this webpage
so that we can make sure that at least truth is known.
Omal: yes, you may want to highlight the fact that I said
that not all aliens are like that. Certainly there are
aliens out there but there are also aliens out there that
die protecting you.
Russ: uh-huh. Hmm, which takes me to my next question,
Russ: 19........I don't have the date down here.......1989
if I remember correctly.
Russ: in which a ship coming into South Africa....
Omal: is tracked and....
Russ: supposedly shot
down by a experimental laser cannon from a Mirage
Russ: and what we've been able to determine through the
help of Tia....
Russ: is that there was actually a ship shot down by an
unseen vessel above it.
Russ: and that the use of the laser cannon is possibly
Omal: no it is what they believe actually happened, they
believe it worked.
Russ: you mean they had a laser cannon?
Omal: it was a very weak laser cannon.....
Omal: by standards but very powerful by other standards.
It fires a pulse of light energy at a designated target.
Russ: that's pretty far advanced then compared to what
I've heard of before. The most we've heard of is that they
are using lasers for targeting systems but not for
Omal: you're not listening hard enough.
Russ: obviously not.
Omal: they have lasers that are quite capable of cutting
through an inch of solid steel.
Russ: I knew this but I mean still we're talking about
from a flying object at a long distance
to make an accurate shot and actually bring something
Omal: that is why they believed that it worked. The fact
is that they probably missed the target.
Russ: well all they saw, according to the report I saw
Omal: was a flash of light come from it....
Russ: a flash of light coming from it and suddenly it
started to waver. In fact no, it was a series of flashes
of lights and it started to waver and then went down at
3,000 ft. per minute.
Omal: that is not particularly fast.
Russ: no and then impacted into the desert.
Now from that point, they brought the ship to a secret Air
Omal: yes near Kimberly.
Russ: uh-huh, and the door started to open on the craft
and then they used heavy lifting machinery to pry it open
the rest of the way. Two aliens then got out, quite
hostile and they were promptly arrested according to this
report. And then ship, crew and everything got shipped off
Russ: and that's the last we hear of it but
apparently the aliens were alive.......
Russ: typical gray beings with the small statures, three
clawed feet and hands or three fingered or three toed.
Omal: and the attitude.
Russ: and the attitude of they hate everyone. They clawed
up some doctor pretty bad.
Omal: well how would you feel in that situation?
Russ: well I'd be pretty pissed.
Omal: so do not mistake them being upset for being
Russ: well that's just what the report said.
Russ: now what would aliens from another world taken
prisoner have as a future to look forward to?
Omal: it is best not to discuss it. Even for any race, no
matter how hostile, it is not a very good prospect.
Russ: I agree.
Omal: the only thing that they can wish for is either a
quick, painless death or rescue. The others do not leave
much in the way of hope.
Russ: well since they can't be beamed out, I don't see
much in the way of hope for rescue but would you
hypothesize then that the ship shooting them down....
Omal: I do not hypothesize, I only go on fact.
Russ: okay, do you think the facts support that the ship
shooting them down knew that they would be surviving the
crash and aim for a particular point on the craft that
Omal: anything that I say would be conjecture. I cannot
answer that question.
Russ: all right, fair enough. Johnny, you got anything,
I'm taking up all the questions tonight?
John: well yeah I just kind of popped in. Just as far as,
especially on the webpage as far as terminology, instead
of using the word alien especially when we're referring to
Omal: yes I understand exactly what you're saying.
John: a lot more correct?
Omal: you are quite correct in what you're
saying. Is a common terminology that is used by lots of
individuals all over your planet. It is something that we
grin and bear. How much we dislike it is irrelevant, it is
what is easiest for them to understand sadly to say.
Russ: easiest to spell too.
John: but is it accurate to say that the term alien
alienates your people to a certain degree?
Omal: it is more something that upsets Kiri more than it
upsets me. I have been called many, many derogatory terms
in my existence so they are words.
Russ: now question, would it be better to say reserve
extraterrestrials to folks like yourself who are kind
and benevolent and alien to those folks like the grays who
Omal: why discriminate against one group for another
Russ: well it would differentiate.
Omal: hostile alien, nonhostile alien. Nonhostile
extraterrestrial, hostile extraterrestrial, it is all the
Russ: ahh okay, just a thought.
Omal: it is what is easiest for the populist to
Omal: I know this stems from a discussion on Native
Americans and Indians.
John: yeah, you took my thoughts right out of my brain.
Russ: Johnny protector of everyone.
Omal: it more comes from the term political correctness.
Russ: true. Okay, the last part I have on this is that in
further on in the report I saw was that later that same
year, three crafts were captured in the Nevada desert.
Supposedly by some high-powered radar that was being used
that knocked out the control abilities.
Omal: I think that is an erroneous report.
Russ: it did seem like it, I can't see any radar would be
powerful enough to knock out some craft of any kind.
Omal: not unless you get real, real, real close. You wish
to know how close?
Russ: on top of the thing?
Omal: come here.
John: you're talking really, really close.
Omal: correct. In other words, they would have to park on
top of it and then no matter what would be knocked out.
Even one of our aircraft, if it is high powered.
Russ: oh, okay.
Omal: a radar that is used for bouncing radar images off
of the moon surfaces.
Russ: ahh, all right. So a radar imaging display almost?
Russ: okay. That was my whole list right there of stuff,
John: well I just kinda came in late. Yeah that was the
main thing that was on my mind, the alien and the ET thing
you know and just terminology and stuff.
Russ: oh I see.
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal finishes signing off as the tape comes to life.)
John: see you around dude.
Omal: I'll be back.
comes back in a bouncy mood.)
Tia: incy wincy spider went climbing up the spout. Down came
the rain and washed poor incy out.
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: oka,y hello.
Russ: yeah and Omal's....
John: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: Omal's transcriptions I'm doing, having to make a few
changes here and there for continuity sake. (Between two
Tia: uh-huh yes because I get a little bit confused. I have
to....you might want to put this in the fact that I have to
translate into English before I vocalize what I'm saying
Russ: hmm that's true.
Tia: English is not my native tongue.
Russ: well what I found myself doing now is making my
changes in transcribing while we're doing the tape.
Tia: so sometimes that can change the whole entire meaning.
Russ: well that's why I've got Karra in my head.
Tia: uh-huh yes.
Russ: the editor from.....
John: now is Omal fluent in English where he just......
Tia: yes he is.
John: verbalizes it along with all the other languages he
Tia: oh he knows so many languages it's ridiculous.
John: right and that's different from you, you're using a
computer to translate?
Tia: no, no. I translate like you translate Spanish, I have
to think about it.
Russ: so like if you had to channel to a group in Swahili,
you'd probably getting Omal in Swahili.
Tia: uh-huh. I've actually heard him sit down and go "hung
goy fat choi".
John: which is Chinese?
Tia: uh-huh. Hung goy fat choi, Happy New Year. I learned
that from Mark actually.
Russ: oh cool. Good, so no Ashtar tonight?
Tia: fortunately no unless he pops his head in through the
door and then ohhh.
Russ: well we still have 45 minutes so we'll see what
happens here, who knows?
Tia: about 42 at the moment.
Russ: okay cool.
Russ: all right.
Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
Russ: bye love.
(Kiri has her turn next in the
channeling circle on the base.)
Russ: had to make some slight changes.
John: ain't no thing.
Russ: I don't think so. Hi Tia...Karrie.
Russ: I said Tiree.
Kiri: you don't speak English very well do
you? You don't speak English very well at all.
Russ: working on it.
Kiri: oh okay.
Russ: Tiree, that's a cute name though. I like that.
Kiri: yes I've got to go and face down the devil later on.
Kiri: he's upset.
John: yes he is, he was upset with you last night.
Russ: oh yeah right.
Kiri: keeping him up so late.
Russ: well you're probably looking at the clock on Hades Base
and thinking it's 11 o'clock.
Kiri: yes I was.
Russ: and you forgot about the two hour time difference.
Kiri: well actually it was about 10:15, yeah about 10:15 up
here and he said no later than 11 o'clock so I thought......
Russ: he meant Hades Base time.
Kiri: well I got confused all right? I get carried away.
Russ: hey the light wasn't red yet. (The notification signal for
Mark's energy level while away from his body.)
Kiri: no, it was even flashing, it wasn't even
Russ: will there you go, you gave it your best shot.
Kiri: yeah, it started blinking when I took it off.
Russ: well darling, let's work on Kiri's corner shall we?
Russ: I know from that Katrina session we're not in a get
much out of you either that night.
Kiri: I made a few sensible comments before I got carried
Russ: did you?
Russ: I can always put those in also.
Kiri: okay Kiri's corner, meditation. Okay, let me first of
all explain flowers. Flowers are an indigenous plant to
Sirius. There are three distinct types. There are the red
ones which are a pick-me-up. They will make you
hyper, you won't need to sleep, they make you think
clearly, they can make you very silly as well if you take
too many of them. Taking one is fine, it is a stimuli, makes
you very happy. Okay, the blue ones, these
are a depressant. They make you mellow, relaxed, comfortable
and even sleepy. If you eat more than you should or
overdose, it does not kill you, it just puts you to
sleep for quite a while. It is not uncommon for young
individuals to enjoy these flowers and wake up a week later
wondering what happened. Okay the last type and my most
favorite type, these are the pink type. These are a sexual
aphrodisiac stimuli. Very enjoyable, heightens all senses of
awareness relating to sexual activity once skin becomes very
sensitive to touch. The erogenous zones get very stimulated
very quickly and it can also prolong the act of lovemaking,
that's why I like them. Okay, that is a preamble on flowers.
Okay, now let me get sensible here. Meditation techniques
hmmm. Now on Sirius there is a tradition of deep meditation. This
is where you get in a comfortable position, you relax and
you look within yourself. You hold up your soul as it were
and analyze it to see if it is where what you think it is
where. You analyze dispassionately what you have achieved.
Whether it is 58 years of life, a hundred years of life, 500
years of life, you analyze all your experiences in this
meditation status. This ties in a little bit with the blue
flowers as to keep yourself in a non-mode of emotions, you
use the blue flowers to achieve that linear line of
analyzing what you have done. Whether it is good or bad,
positive or negative, you analyze it. You see what you did
wrong, how you should correct it. You analyze is it a
positive or a negative affect. To achieve this
meditational status, what you do is first of all you get
relaxed and you go through a standard meditation technique
of breathing. You do 20 deep, long breaths. Then 20 short,
shallow breaths. And you repeat this on and off until you
achieve the status of peace. You may also select a mantra
such as peace and harmony, peace and harmony and you will
repeat this over and over in your mind as you take the deep
breaths. But as a novice, you might practice saying the
mantra out loud in between each breath so that you have the
deep breathing and the mantra going at the same time. Also,
you can use as you might call it a Zen technique which is
a hum. Hmmmmmm.. Choosing a frequency that feels as if it
vibrates in a nasal cavity and in the cavity where a third
eye would be. This will induce a almost hypnotic state and
create a level of awareness that makes it easier to review
what you have been up to.
Russ: question, have any of the flowers from Sirius ever
been attempted to be grown on Earth? For example, back in
Kiri: you're referring to the Lotus
Russ: not just the lotus but for example the poppy which...
Kiri: is red in color.
Russ: is possibly mutated?
Kiri: that is a possibility but it would have had to have
mutated quite radically I'm afraid.
Russ: well people mutated quite radically.
Kiri: it is a possibility but the soil and climate don't
appear to be correct, I don't know. We don't have the ship's
manifests of when they came to your your planet.
Russ: okay let's shoot with the lotus then.
Kiri: uh-huh, that's closer.
Russ: now we don't have examples of lotuses anymore. We have
stories of what lotus' did and that was just the fumes
Russ: and this goes back of course to Homer and the Odyssey.
Kiri: yeah....the od..ody...yeah, whatever.
Russ: right, in which the Lotus Eaters would eat lotuses and
then find themselves in that state that we're describing
here with the blue flowers.
Russ: and that sort of hints then possibly that in time
immemorial where possibly we had some flowers
Kiri: immemorial is an incorrect word, immemorial
suggests perpetuity, forever.
Kiri: you might want to change that word....
I'll work on that.
Kiri: but we understand what you mean.
Russ: correct. All right so where do we go from there, how do
we research something like that?
Kiri: read the Odyssey.
Kiri: it's right down there. (The book was in the library in
Look up myths and legends. You'll find Vishnu in references
to I believe it's lotus blossoms.
Kiri: look there. You'll also find it in Chinese cultures,
Indian cultures, the Mongols. Not the Mongols of Genghis
Khan but the moguls, moguls of India.
Kiri: there is references in there. There is references
in...oh cricky I'm trying to remember the famous character
that rode around and chariots in the sky. You know who I
Kiri: no, no: no, no, Indian mythology.
Russ: oh. chariots in the sky, Vishnu?
Kiri: yeah I think it might be Vishnu but it's a particular
individual that is references to. There are also
references........who was a gentleman who had the
interview at Skywalker Ranch that was televised? Something
about mythology, comparing modern and ancient mythologies.
Russ: I didn't catch it.
Kiri: no, I'm sure Mark knows what it is, ask him.
Russ: okay. Now is it possible then that we're talking about
dirt that was maybe brought from Sirius and kept in plants
or kept in pots but later on it couldn't support the plant
growth after a few generations?
Kiri: that's quite possible yes.
Russ: okay, you've heard of that where the
soil will die out due to too much farming.
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh, yeah. That is quite possible that that
as I said, I don't know, they didn't keep the
Kiri: I mean it's possible that individuals so longing for
home, decided they would bring home with them.
Russ: makes sense to me.
Kiri: or, they were so addicted to these darn things.
Russ: but they're non-addictive?
Kiri: it's a psychological addiction.
Russ: oh okay.
John: I was just going to bring that up.
John: too late, got to be psychologically addicting.
Kiri: when God said brains, you thought he said drains and
wanted big empty ones, don't you listen?
Russ: I'm trying to make clarification for the webpage......
Russ: so that people who are listening or reading this will
understand the fact that this was something that is
Russ: that you then clarified as psychological addiction
meaning that the whole matter now is easily read.
Kiri: are you going to be putting this in.
Kiri: are you going to be putting this little bit in?
Russ: this is the part that gets edited.
Kiri: so all my wit in humor wasted for nothing.
Russ: no, no, no, I'll put in the fact that it is
Kiri: you're going to put that in?
Russ: I'll try to describe in parentheses maybe.
Kiri: Kiri sticks out her tongue.
Russ: something like that.
Kiri: or Kiri sticks out Mark's tongue. Okay.
Russ: you were saying?
Russ: you were saying?
Kiri: what was I saying?
Russ: prior to brains and drains?
Kiri: oh yes. Sorry, my brains empty. We're wasting tape
Tia just said.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: okay, do you have any engineering questions now I've
given you a lecture on flowers?
John: what about the medicinal qualities of flowers? Don't
Kiri: yes they.....
John: the blue ones when you're menstruating?
John: is that correct? Wouldn't that be good to mention?
Kiri: yes it would be actually.
John: for our readers?
Kiri: actually it would be very useful to mention that the
blue flowers are used for menstruation, cramping, bloating.
It makes you in a nice, mellow state of mind where it
doesn't matter, it takes away the pain.
Russ: hmm, and have they been able to bring those into a
point where you can condense them into a liquid, the
flowers? Like an alcoholic beverage let's say or a
John: flower essence?
Russ: or injectable essence or something like that?
Kiri: no, no. It has been done in the past but is no longer
done because that makes it too potent.
Russ: oh, I see.
John: any other medicinal qualities of the flowers?
Kiri: yes, the pink ones do make you more fertile.
John: along with increasing your sexual drive?
Kiri: of course, yes.
John: okay, any others before we move on to engineering?
Kiri: no, not really.
John: I wanted to make sure we've covered all the bases on
flowers, thank you very much.
Kiri: you mind not banging so loud?
Russ: I'll pass that along. Okay Johnny.....
Kiri: oh it's outside is it?
Russ: engineering questions?
John: not right off the top of my head, go ahead.
John: I'm sure you are full of them.
Russ: no, only a single one. Talking to Omal about
the engineering factors of I-D4.
Russ: I haven't seen the movie so I'm just hypothesizing
neither have I.
Russ: that they reverse engineer a spaceship and use it.
Russ: well that would kind of suggest that it already was
already being able to be used.
Kiri: I haven't seen the movie, I don't know. You're asking
me to make an analysis on something I haven't seen.
Russ: hopefully I can get Mark to see it tomorrow with me.
Kiri: actually, I've got an idea. I'm going to make rash
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: it's a wonderful movie go see it, it's great, I've
never seen it before.
Russ: okay. So you'll be joining us then tomorrow?
Russ: okay, great.
John: now can Mark visualize it at the same time you are
Russ: Johnny you get the night off don't you?
John: tomorrow, yes.
Kiri: I can slide into Mark's mind and watch it.
Russ: I'll buy tickets early in the afternoon.
Kiri: okay, I suppose you don't need me anymore.
Russ: ahh, who else is coming in?
John: ahhh, don't feel like that.
Kiri: Karra, actually, I've got plans.
Russ: okay, yeah we do need Karra on.
John: you got plans?
John: you look like you've got ants in your pants.
Kiri: I've got more plans than that.
John: there's more than ants in your pants right?
Kiri: well I personally would prefer them in your pants and
Russ: thank you for Kiri's corner there, we are
John: and it's been nice visiting with you.
Kiri: yes it has.
John: you keep frequenting our household quite often and you
seem to be a lot more comfortable......
Kiri: oh thank you.
John: and I enjoy visiting with you even though most the
time you're so preoccupied with your computer, with Mark's
John: but I still enjoy the little bit of time we spend
Kiri: oh thank you, I enjoy it also. I will try to
communicate more easily but sometimes I tend to over
balance myself and I've got to watch that when I'm walking
John: you have to be careful.
Kiri: yes, we don't want to have to pick Mark up in lots of
little pieces like a certain egg character.
John: well yeah, when you almost fell flying
down the stairs you would've hurt Mark's body pretty badly.
Kiri: yes I know.
John: if you had fallen.
Kiri: that's why.....
John: I told him about that too.
Kiri: that's why I've stopped coming down the stairs like I
John: yeah, yeah that's a good idea, especially
when you're wearing slippery socks.
Kiri: yes, yes. Okay I'll see you later Johnny, see you
probably on Friday night.
John: okay, we'll glue some sandpaper to Mark's feet.
Kiri: yes, that's a great idea, let's do that.
John: is that a great idea?
Kiri: let's do......
John: yeah we've got lots of sandpaper on hand and
some sandpaper to Mark's feet.
Kiri: let's do that for real.
Kiri: we'll use that clear sticky tape, we'll
do that for real okay? Bye.
John: I'll help you.
Russ: he's going to be expecting that won't he.
(Tia transitions to Karra next.)
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, I'll put on......I'll put on what's her face.
Russ: love of my life.
Russ: we'll check it out tomorrow.
Tia: I don't need to.
Russ: we'll see it......show off.
Tia: oh before I go, the president in the movie is not Bill
Russ: somebody worse?
John: he's an ex-fighter pilot.
(Karra next makes her appearance.)
Russ: hi Karra.
John: hi Karra.
Karra: greetings, how's it going gentlemen?
Russ: good of course.
John: good, good.
Karra: okay, let us get down to business, healers hall.
Russ: healers hall.
Karra: okay, what do you wish to know?
Russ: we used in your bio.......
Russ: where we added the chemical compounds combined with
Russ: let's go a little bit on that.
Russ: maybe you could describe it a little bit for us?
Karra: chemical compounds, okay. Using such chemicals as
Karra: after all, you all need iron but it is such a minute
amount that it is very hard to explain. You use
very minute amounts of chemical compounds. For example,
calcium mixed in water, apart from making a very horrible
taste in the mouth, it's quite useful. But there are other
ways of getting these chemical compounds such as calcium
Karra: that is very useful for bones and hair. So the
chemical compounds that I am using are actually included in
the food so it would be more accurate to say nutritional
Russ: ahhh, well that clears that up a little bit.
as I remember, we were working at one time on somebody who
had broken their leg I think or something and you were
talking about their arm. I believe you were
talking about use of magnets.......
Russ: on Hades Base in conjunction with the cast and
Russ: and now we're finding similar healing techniques being
employed down here on earth.
Russ: with the use of magnets.
Karra: very strong, powerful magnets.
Karra: and what is actually happening is it is stimulating
pushing together North and South together, pull together,
generating a field that pulls.
John: would those very powerful magnets be electromagnets?
Karra: they can be but electromagnets have to be shielded
from the rest of the body because they can have detrimental
the generating field of an electromagnet has to be
very high and intense to be that harmful to the body.
Russ: but regular magnets will do the same job.
Karra: but it takes longer yes.
Karra: the magnets we use on the base are a magnet that are
very, very powerful over a short distance and then dissipate
Russ: hmmm, do we have anything similar down here?
Karra: electromagnets to a certain extent but of course
these magnets are charged in a different way in their
magna......please, help me.
Russ: magnetic field.
Karra: that is the word I was looking for, magnetism. The
magnetism is much more intense in the ones that we have up
here over a shorter area. Electromagnets, their energy field
dissipates quite quickly.
Russ: uh-huh. Now as I recall when Linda was here, we were
discussing from quite a while back actually the use of
Karra: bio magnets.
Russ: bio magnets. Now how does that field compare to the
ones that you use?
Karra: they are similar but they're also quite different.
Russ: they're weaker right?
Karra: oh much weaker, much, much weaker. And even
though they do accelerate the healing process, it is not as
rapid as it would be up here with our much more intense and
stronger magnetic field. There are magnets up here which are
quite capable of actually leaching out of your body the iron, they
are that powerful.
Karra: so it is necessary sometimes to ingest iron in a
minute amounts to individuals that work in this field. They
will ingest more iron than they actually need because they
know they're going to lose some of it.
Russ: I see.
John: are you familiar with the magnets that you can wear in
Karra: those are bio magnets.
John: oh okay, so we are talking about the
John: I've got a pair.
John: and do you see some benefit with them?
Karra: yes and no. Don't expect a lot because the magnetic
field is not as intense as would be necessary to heal.
However, they are very soothing and relaxing. They make you
feel comfortable. It is something that is useful.
Russ: hmm, do doubling the magnets up double the field?
Karra: not as much as one would like.
Russ: uh-huh. So tripling then you would get you more of a
benefit then singularly.
Karra: yes but the field is not as intense as one would
Russ: okay so no matter what, you're going to have to work
with it on a slower basis.
Russ: now besides working on healing broken bones, what
other uses would magnetism that we can find down here like
for example with bio magnets, help in the healing
properties of of the body?
Karra: oh there are many, many different uses that would be
used. Cuts, scratches, headaches believe it or not.
John: how about wear and tear on your legs?
John: I was told that bio magnets are good because the type
of work I do and all the lifting and......
Karra: well that goes back to wearing them in your shoes and
the soothing affect that it has. You see when something is
not as tired, it will last longer. When a muscle becomes
tired, it is working harder to pump oxygen and blood to the
extremities and therefore it takes more energy. Something
that makes that easier is very useful.
Karra: and that is what those bio magnets do.
John: do bio magnets that we get on this planet, do they
wear out after a period of time? Do they lose
Karra: eventually yes but it is something that takes quite a
that I wouldn't worry about your lifetime Johnny.
John: oh really? So the pair I bought a couple years ago in
Sedona are still functioning and working okay?
Karra: they should be.
Karra: if they're not, you got ripped off, they weren't real
Russ: now what if you were able to hook up a battery charge
to one? Would that increase the power without the
debilitating effects of actually having electromagnets?
Karra: no, it wouldn't increase the electrical magnetic
field as much as you are implying.
Karra: yes it does increase it but it is not a dramatic
Karra: you have to remember to have positive
to North, negative the South otherwise you are realigning
these poor suckers and if they lose alignment, what happens?
Russ: they reverse it.
Karra: no they lose magnetism.
Karra: if they lose alignment. They all have to point in the
same way for magnetism correct?
Karra: now if one's going this way, one's going that way and
another one's that way and they're going all
higgledy-piggledy, what happens to the magnet?
Russ: it just becomes a piece of metal.
John: higgledy-piggledy, is that a technical term?
Karra: oh yes, very, very technical.
John: oh, okay.
Russ: yeah, originally from Sirius from way, way back, it
survived the eons of time to....
Karra: oh yes, oh immensely, immensely old. It is like some
of our medical expressions that we use to shorten words.
Like H..F..HFF. Somebody comes in with a broken leg, let's
say it's a guy and I would say "HFF, we better work on this
Karra: what does HFF mean? His #@^%@* fault.
Russ: well that's putting it......
John: okay yeah,
John: very, very technical.
Karra: uh-huh, oh yes, it's a fightfully technical term. Or
what would be another one? Let me see. H.....HDB no, HPH.
I remember when I was a medic in the army, Sirian Defense Force
I had a few of these.
Russ:: what's it mean?
Karra: hygiene person......hygiene personal habits.
Karra: it means he doesn't have any.
Russ: so it would be actually PHH, personal hygiene habits.
Karra: well, English isn't my language.
Russ: true, true.
Karra: I get the words mixed up.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Russ: and now working with crystals and magnets?
Karra: uh-huh, okay now crystals are more of an energy
supply for the spiritual being to recharge the injured
individual. It is quite common for somebody that has been
hurt to feel physically drained of energy and
this is because their body's immune system is fighting the
infection or fighting to repair itself. So what do you do?
You use crystal to re-energize the individual or, if you
happen to be fortunate enough to have healing crystals, use
the energies from those focusing in on the harmed area and
what this is actually doing is the energy that is already in
that area focusing on healing is being directed by this
crystal, let's say it is a laser crystal right and
you use a sweeping motion right? What you are doing is
focusing the energy in that area in a sweeping motion and
augmenting it with the energy of the crystal which is
helping to heal by sweeping the energy into a useful,
Russ: so if we were to use magnets also that would do the
Karra: yes but sometimes it is best to use a combination of
Russ: right, which is why I'm thinking of using both, the
crystals and magnets.
Karra: yes, you would use them either simultaneously or one
after the other.
John: are you familiar with this publication?
Karra: oh this one? I'm afraid I can't open Mark's eyes to
read it and I don't read English very well. What is it
John: it's called the "The Complete Crystal
Karra: yes, I believe I am aware of it.
Russ: being as it's my book.
John: no, this is my book.
Russ: oh I've got one too then.
John: oh, yeah I know.
Russ: oh, so yeah she's quite familiar with it.
John: it's "a practical path to self development,
empowerment and healing for the beginner and advanced."
John: it's by someone called Uma....
Karra: oh yes.
Karra: I am vaguely aware of it, your question being
John: is it a good, practical handbook for
us to use here?
Karra: yes, it is quite a useful tool.
John: would there be some other publications that
you're aware of that we have on this planet?
Karra: I do not have Tia's expertise on computers
otherwise I would look it up and help you. As much as I
would love to, I lack the expertise.
John: okay, that's good enough.
Karra: okay. All right, last questions.
John: that was my last question.
Karra: okay I'll see you guys later, especially you
Russ: of course my love.
finishes up the session with a light moment.)
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hey, it's the mistress with the mostest.
Tia: oh yes, Mistress with the mostest, with the swivel
John: the ringleader of the gang.
Tia: I'm leader of the pack, vroom, vroom,
Russ: do you know what that makes her then?
Russ: part of the ring cycle.(Laughs.)
Tia: part of the ring cycle?
Russ: you know, the motorcycle, the Wagner Ring cycle?
Tia: oh, yes. (Hums a few bars.)
Russ: it is a translation from Durodedunn back to English.
John: yeah, yeah.
Tia: (sings some more.) Yeah......what's up
Russ: okay, let's see what we've got left here to mess
around with being as everything's all covered pretty much
for the webpage....
Tia: who's on first?
Russ: I suppose everything else is....
Tia: it's about to run out as well. Who's on first?
Russ: it's got a ways to go.
Tia: okay, cup of tea would be nice.
Russ: not too far.
John: who's on first?
John: who is on first.
Tia: that's right.
John: who is the correct answer.
Tia: who's on first, what's on second, I don't know's on
Russ: so who's playing shortstop?
Tia: no, who's on first.
Russ: yes but who has played shortstop?
Tia: no, who is on first.
Tia: that's right.
John: want me to get the tea?
Russ: yeah he trades off see?
let's do the routine all right? Who's on first?
Russ: I don't know.
Tia: no, he's on.....
John: no, no. They're on third.
Tia: thank you. MCP's.
Russ: it's at that point.
Tia: I'm not talking to you now.
Russ: oh good. Okay.
Tia: actually, Kiri was deliberately egging you on I think.
Russ: think so?
Tia: yeah she was.
Russ: well that's good.
Tia: she wanted to see how far you would go to putting it in
to the......after all she said that she is the most playful
of the bunch.
Russ: yeah well like I say, I'll probably edit heavily at
Tia: you might put in, Kiri goes off into frivolous
Russ: well that's something like that night in the pyramid.
Tia: or Kiri starts making wild comments that are unrelated
to the channeling session.
Russ: Kiri sheds clothes, attacks Lyka.
Tia: it wasn't Lyka I don't think, it think that it was
Russ: well that's true. Hmm, how is Lyka? I'm a little
worried about her.
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: well I don't see her at all and she isn't coming to
channeling sessions anymore but it seems like she's gotten
kind of antisocial, not so much a bad way but just kind of more
very confused at the moment.
Russ: right which is why I am asking the question.
Tia: well she wants to do what's right for her family, she
wants to do what's right for her unit, she wants to do
what's right for us and they don't mesh.
Russ: well where does the conflict come in? Her family
doesn't want the same things you guys want I take it?
Tia: they have different outlooks.
Russ: yeah but they're Sirian.
Tia: yeah, oh they're Sirian but they're of a lower class
then Kiri and Karra you see? So that their outlooks are
well I have to admit I'm not too used to the lower class
outlook unfortunately. I'm used to Tanaxa, (Kiri and Karra's
father.) Kiri, Kara and....
Russ: you know we don't meet too many other
Tia: no. But you know she's confused emotionally, she's also
very confused about her sexuality and also she has
incredible longing that she wants a child but she's also got
the problem with the loyalty to her group of warriors.
see this is all very strange because being sixth
dimensional, I wouldn't expect this kind of confusion.
Tia: she's young.
Russ: well agreed but so is Kiri and yet you don't see that
kind of confusion with Kiri. Kiri knows exactly what she
wants, how to get it........
Tia: yes but when I say Lyka is young, she is young.
Tia: she's only 19.
Russ: oh, she's still a kid.
Russ: well so theoretically, by the time she reached Kiri's
age she'll have it all figured out?
Tia: hopefully yes.
Russ: I mean like I say, it's just in sixth dimension young
or not I would expect people to have more abilities and more
resources available to them......
Tia: to develop their understanding certainly certainly but
she is still a woman, she still has those hormones, she
still has to learn and experiment with her sensuality.
Tia: she has to learn how to control herself.
John: tea time.
Tia: oh thank you dear.
John: did Kiri tell you about her...
Tia: ow, ow, ow, ow.
John: oh yeah it's......yeah it's hotter than your
Tia: which one?
John: I don't know, take your pick. Did Kiri tell you about
her adventure with Rocketta?
John: yes, yeah and he gave her quite a start.
Tia: do you know what I would've done if I had come across
Rocketta? (A wild raccoon that comes and visits.)
Tia: I would've attacked. Jumped on her, played with her.
Tia: rolled with her.
Tia: yeah, I wouldn't of killed her, I would have just
played with her.
John: do you realize how big this raccoon is?
Russ: how dangerous that is?
John: yeah, I mean you could. If you were in Mark's body and
you attack this raccoon with Mark's body, the odds of him
seriously injured and having to be hospitalized and
go through a series of rabies shots would be very good.
Russ: in your body, I think you could pull it off.
John: but in Mark's body, it wouldn't be very fair to him.
Tia: well you didn't say in Mark's body.
Russ: that's true.
John: I know okay, I didn't clarify that you're
Tia: uh-huh. I mean in Mark's body, if you stood up, I could
jump over you and tap you on the head with my hands as my
legs passed over your shoulders.
Russ: in Mark's body?
Tia: no, my body.
Russ: your body, you said Mark's body.
Tia: did I?
John: yeah, you did.
Tia: well it's not my language.
Russ: well it's sort of, kind of an inherited language
Tia: what you mean?
Russ: well practice makes perfect.
John: yeah, Russ is learning that. Yep, you think he'll
ever master the English language?
John: nah, nah, you'll probably have it
mastered before he does.
Russ: but I keep practicing.
Tia: yes, it's a little bit like making love, you have to
John: practice, practice, practice.
Russ: well Tia's ready for the sexual Olympics.
John: oh yeah.
Tia: Kiri is ready for the sexual Olympics. Actually we're
probably both ready for the sexual Olympics.
Russ: a tagteam.
Tia: I thought it was mud wrestling, I thought it was
Russ: all-female relay team.
John: oh yeah, I can just see them passing the stick to each
Russ: and then vibrating.
Tia: well have you heard of.........
THE TAPE ENDS
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