Tia: well, I could out
stubborn any of you.
(Tia handles ring mistress duties
and gets us started)
John: out stubborn?
Tia: uh-huh, I can sit and wait and
wait and wait until somebody speaks.
John: oh, well I waited for the time
to be right.
Tia: ahhhh, that’s your answer huh?
John: yeah, I was the one who spoke
Tia: yes you were the one who spoke
but Russ was waiting for me to say something weren't
Russ: I believe.....yeah,
Tia: we could have sat here all night
and not said a word, I can out stubborn
Russ: probably out stare
Tia: uh-huh. Hello David.
Tia: how’s it going?
David: oh fine.
Tia: you don’t sound fine.
David: well, I’m having a hard time at
Tia: tell Aunti Tia all about it.
David: all about it?
Tia: yeah, come on let’s
David: well, we finally
get snow and I just happen to have a messed
up knee that
nobody wants to fool with or something.
be working on that tonight when she gets here.
David: what the hell’s your problem
Calvin? Sorry about that.
of the house cats)
Tia: that’s all right, he’s just
feisty, he knows who’s in the room.
John: yeah, he gets real
excited when she’s here.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. Okay Omal can’t
here tonight, he has a Council meeting which means
that Korton won’t be here either but I have
scheduled a person of interest.
Russ: ahh, yourself?
Tia: yes of course myself primarily.
Russ: that's what I
Tia: we will be working on
the healing and coercion. Do we have any questions?
Russ: you heard the tape, how's
Tia: I could’ve done with it in
speaking a little bit louder but that will be
mitigated due to the fact that they would be wearing
Russ: ahh true.
Russ: okay good.
Tia: and you got my tape that I did
for you all right then? One that I sent over
late, late, late Saturday and it got there
Russ: yes I did get it.
Tia: uh-huh, fascinating.
Russ: uh-huh, good regression.
Tia: uh-huh, not a total deep trance
or as deep as it should be.
Russ: well I disagree but I don’t want
them to be in a deep trance, I want a light trance.
Russ: Mark goes into deep trances.
Tia: uh-huh but he
had a little bit of his wishful thinking
mixed in with it. Okay, next question
John: with shielding and coercion….
John: now when I’m shielding myself
against you or someone here in the third dimension…
John: so is that a form of coercion......
John: before you harass
Tia: you would need to talk to Kiri
about coercion, shielding we’ll cover in a minute.
In the meantime, do you have a question David?
Tia: okay, more questions or are we
going to sit here and look at each other all night?
John: so why is your buddy Mark so
Tia: why are you so American?
John: because I was born and raised
Tia: why are you so American David?
David: I’m not.
Tia: are you sure?
Tia: what makes you say that you’re
David: because, I don’t like what
America has turned into.
Tia: but one person can make a
David: oh and I will.
Tia: uh-huh, just don’t think yourself
a five foot four little corporal with a short
mustache, that would be the worst thing that you
could ever do.
David: oh no.
Tia: the only way to really change
something for the better is through harmony, through
changing people’s opinions. Not overnight but
slowly, little by little.
David: I don’t want to change people’s
Tia: well that’s how you bring back
the morals, that’s the word I
was looking for.
Russ: hmm, so how’s your new position
Tia: it’s a lot of work, I’m glad that
I have somebody above me actually.
Russ: why is that?
Tia: because they do all the
compiling…....it frees me up a little bit now
that I have a lot more work to do.
John: excuse me I needed clarification
here, you’re talking about a sexual position?
Tia: no, covert operation thingies and
I’ve uncovered some very interesting things
actually. For example, the crime rate since the end
of apartheid and the election of Nelson
Mandela has gone up, guess how much?
David: the what has?
Tia: the crime rate.
David: the crime rate has gone up 30%?
Tia: how much do you think it’s gone
David: well I wouldn't, I don’t…..
David: I can’t.
David: since Nelson Mandela has been
Russ: what’s he have to base it on?
David: I wouldn’t have guessed it had
gone up any.
Tia: yeah, Johnny?
Tia: Johnny is very, very close. It’s
actually 75% since Mandela has become president of
David: the crime rate’s gone up?
Tia: 75%. So…….
Russ: how’s that break down in the
various crimes though?
Tia: various crimes? The violent
crimes have doubled.
Russ: were they assault?
Tia: yes assault, burglary has almost
Russ: what I wouldn't
give to be an alarm salesman down
Tia: suburban communities, that is
black and white, they now have what they call rape
doors which is they put over bedrooms. They have
alarm systems up the yin yang and it’s not working,
they have fenced off areas and it’s not working.
John: and it’s not going to work is it?
Tia: no, until they become more
John: okay, since we’re speaking about
other countries, I mean I don’t know if you have
anything else to say about South Africa but I’m
concerned about Europe and Eastern Europe….
John: and what used to be known as the
Tia: ohhh yes.
John: ahh yeah, it’s a
very volatile situation right now in the whole area
and it could get very complicated.
Tia: oh it is getting complicated.
John: could we get some insight from
you on this?
Tia: yes, I will give you a little
piece of interest. Kazakhstan is getting very jumpy,
it’s boiling nastily. The Chechen Republic which is
very close to Kazakhstan is getting very tweaky,
Ukraine is having problems, Russia
itself seems to be quite okay at the moment.......
David: what about Zhirinovsky’s
John: what about the coups and the
overthrows in Russia, the attempts? The
political....I mean there’s a lot of…....
Tia: I’d like to hear David’s question
David: how is Zhirinovsky’s popularity
Tia: it’s climbing, it is climbing. He
holds certain persuasive techniques that he uses.
David: like that guy with the little
small mustache right underneath his nose?
David: that’s who he reminds me of.
Tia: well he has a lot more experience
in it than the little corporal did. I don’t think he
will go quite that way but however with that area…….
David: he’s already talked about
genocide on a couple different cultures.
Tia: uh-huh but they all talk about it
in that area. You take the Georgians
for example, they’ve been practicing it on
the…..what’s that tribe down there? Azerbaijan?
David: uh-huh, Azerbaijan?
Tia: thank you. They’ve been
butchering each other for centuries there. If you go
back to Georgia, there was a great tribe there at
one time that had very strong influences throughout
that whole entire area about 3,000 years ago all the
way down into Greece and the Greeks wrote about
them. Anybody can guess what that tribe was?
Tia: no. I’ll give you a clue.
Tia: getting close.
John: the name Ottoman came to mind
Tia: a little bit before the Ottoman
time. The only thing that I can say that would be
another clue is the stories of them removing a part
of their body to aid archery is total......(blows
Russ: she means Amazons.
Tia: uh-huh, they did exist and they
had great power in that area.
John: okay so you’re talking about
precursors to the Ottoman tribe.
Tia: well we’re talking
about precursors to quite a few things in that area
actually but what happened was that they were
suppressed and their tribes were overwhelmed and
they become a small tribe where the
males became more dominant. In a way this is a
John: yeah the
John: how about the country of Georgia
right now, aren’t they very unstable?
Tia: that is why I brought them up.
They are very unstable, they’re always attacking and
fighting amongst themselves and causing lots of
problems and also they do have a nuclear capability
there because some of the bases are in their area so
they’ve got to be watched very carefully. Let’s get
back to the various political, activist generals and
so on that are trying to get in power. Now I don’t
see the generals that are running at the moment
actually getting much in the way of power. They may
get elected to a seat in their government, they may
become a leader of a party but I would
see more of a ex-communist politician coming to the
foreground because communism in that area
is very necessary. I’m not saying
that it works but people there need to be dominated.
If you take for example the Greeks and their saying
that it is best to have a democracy with a
benevolent dictator, that’s what the people of that
area need is somebody that is strong that can lead
them down the right path whereas if you have a party
system, they cannot enact their long-range plans
because they’ve got to be reelected or somebody else
is elected that has a different idea and they cannot
enact their long-range plans. That area does need
long-range plans for it to work. It is one of the
areas where a democracy or a Republic doesn’t work.
John: and what about the plans with
certain aspects of the peoples and the military
there to force a Republic or a Democratic….
Tia: I think I have just addressed
that with the explanation on long-range plans that
they do need somebody very strong like a czar that
can run the country without having to worry about
political changes every four or five or six years. Are
you comfortable there?
to a cat)
next question, ahhh she’s arrived.
Russ: when you look at South Africa
and you look at Eastern Europe….
Tia: I do?
Russ: and you compare it to the United
States, what similarities are
you going to find?
Tia: tribalism for one thing,
technology for another. Tribalism and references to
the various tribes in South Africa and the tribes in
the countries of the former USSR and your own
country. Now what are your
tribes here called?
Russ: Crips and Bloods.
Tia: uh-huh, gangs is a much
David: it's not always gangs but not
all of them consider themselves gangs.
Tia: yes but they are huge networks of
individuals closely linked, sometimes by blood,
sometimes through intrigue and so on and they are
Tia: technology, let us take that.
Okay South Africa doesn’t have a very high
technological level except for in their mining
technologies which is the envy of the world however
because of their problems with their tribalism that
is dying. Now the former Soviet Union, very high-end
technology, very well advanced, the
same as your country. But these things are
hindrances because it takes away the personality of
people and the tribes. It can be useful with
the tribalism to take away the personality and the
aggressive nature to a certain extent but there
again it is also survivalism of that particular
group. For example, if you take a tribalistic group,
let us say the
Wappo. Anybody know what the Wappos were?
Tia: no. Johnny, you know.
John: nothing came to mind right off
Tia: they are an extinct group of
native North Americans indigenous to the Napa
Valley. I only know that because Mark told me.
John: the Wappos?
Tia: uh-huh and they recently became
extinct because they had been assimilated and lost
their culture. So technology can be a tool for
exterminations of differences.
Tia: another tribe, I think it’s the
Tia: they’re very few in number aren’t
John: there's a lot fewer than what
there used to be.
John: I mean they used to cover….
Tia: a very large area.
John: a very, very large area.
Tia: and what did technology do for
David: not a damn thing.
Tia: in fact it was a hindrance.
John: it led them to their upbringing
especially since they were on the East they had a
bigger impact than the Western tribes did.
Tia: Western tribes got
butchered even worse. You take your local tribe, the
Tia: Washoe, thank you, thank you,
you would come in handy for something.
Tia: what happened to them? They’re
still here, there’s still a few of them, not as many
as there once was a while ago……isn’t that a
song or a part of the song? But they are still surviving
just barely. They’ve been stopped from coming to
their religious places so what did technology
do for them? However,
you take the Cherokee, certainly
technology at first was very bad for them but now
look at them.
John: they’re rebuilding the Cherokee
Tia: that’s right. You take the five
nations up in I believe it’s New York,
Massachusetts? Can’t think of their name, keepers of
the sacred light?
Tia: could be, could be.
Tia: thank you.
John: yeah Iroquois.
Tia: now, they gave your country
something of great importance, anybody know what it
is? Okay who
knows the preamble to your Constitution?
David: I know some of it.
Tia: okay, how does it go? And speak
up in a loud, crisp, clear voice.
David: oh boy, something about
guarantee the people a Republic…
Tia: should I start? "We the people of
the United States in order to form a more perfect
union." Do you know where that comes from?
John: I think it’s European.
Tia: "we the tribes of the Iroquois
guarantee" and it goes on and on and on. "A franchise
and so on for the people of the Iroquois." That’s
the biggest gift of any Native American tribe to
John: ahh, interesting.
Tia: uh-huh. Even in the drawings they
have their Constitution shown, that long thing that
they unroll. Anyway I’m hogging too much time here.
Tia: any last questions? Let’s start
off with David.
John: even though we all come from
different tribes, isn’t the key to this that we're
all one people and more than just being Americans or
British or German, we're human beings,
John: isn’t that the……?
Tia: that is the point but do not lose
your racial identity. If you remember the discussion
we had some weeks back about what are you?
David, what’s your nationality?
David: mostly British, I've
got a little bit of Indian in me, Choctaw.
Tia: Johnny, what is your nationality?
Russ: third dimensional being, third
planet from Sol.
Tia: oh, aren’t we being a little
facetious tonight? First of all you are of the
planet Earth, secondly you are
Americans. You were born and
raised in your country, in this country. Anyway,
I’m getting nudged here, I’m going have to put on
the next person.
Russ: what about my questions?
Tia: okay what about your question?
Russ: I’m borrowing one of David’s. What
are the odds of us getting the whole solution to
world peace figured out and two seconds later a
Vogon construction fleet showing up?
(snickers from Tia)
Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(says something else in Durondedunn that is probably
a swear word)
Russ: bye love.
(Kiri comes on in the
place of Omal)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo, dudes. Okay......oh I’m
terribly sorry, you shouldn’t make yourself so
a cat she had disturbed)
Kiri: now to answer your coercive
question, how are you feeling?
John: how am I feeling?
John: I’m feeling fine.
Kiri: how are you really feeling?
John: a little under the weather
Kiri: a little bit down and…….
John: a little bit down and depressed.
John: yeah I don’t have no money, I
don’t have no honey, my truck’s broke, I don’t have
a full-time job, oh yeah it’s been a…..intense,
stressful situation for me, no doubt about that.
Kiri: now what makes you so talkative?
John: well you asked me a question, I
wanted to be honest.
Kiri: uh-huh, why did you want to be
John: because you ask me a
straightforward question and I believe the more
honest we are, the further I can progress from a
third dimensional state to a sixth dimensional
state. The more knowledge I obtain, the
easier my progression will be.
Kiri: what is that look for Russ?
Russ: well I know where
this conversation is going, I'm getting
some more tea, want some love?
John: yeah sure honey.
Kiri: oh you’re going as well? I was
just giving you a demonstration on coercion.
John: oh were you?
John: I’m going to coerce myself
another cup of tea.
Kiri: I just opened him up and had
him talking like a book and what does he
do? Runs off, doesn’t thank me.
in mock exasperation)
Kiri: so how are you doing David? Yes I’ve heard all
about your knee problem, I’ve heard all about your
disappointment about the ski season so far……oh
snowboard season? Sorry.
David: yeah, I'm trying
real hard not to be a stressful person.
Kiri: you ought to take a lesson from
Mark, he’s very stressful at the moment. Thank you.
Russ: my pleasure.
Kiri: second question, why did you get
up and get me a cup of tea?
Russ: oh because I wanted one.
Kiri: came on you didn’t it?
(Russ starts singing)
Russ: I got the Kiri blues.
Kiri: two at a time, I’m getting good,
I am the champion. Now, back to shielding against
coercion. Against me using Mark’s energy you’ve got
a tough time. Me against you person-to-person, no
John: what did you say, no joy?
Kiri: yeah, no joy.
Russ: an English expression for no
kills on a mission.
Kiri: okay, now coercion. Now, what
you have to do is focus on somebody as thus right?
Think a thought and to start off with we suggest
like come, go, sit, stand, tea, drink, lie down,
stand up, walk, talk and so on. You think this one
word, you visualize the word. For example,
talk and you look at the person and you get them to
talk or stand, right? You visualize the word in your
head, you visualize them standing up and
do they do Russ?
Russ: well they tend to stretch their
legs, that’s when I do it.
David: at least you got him to move.
Kiri: uh-huh, he’s part of the way
there. All sorts of things, you
think of one word, you visualize it in big, mighty
big letters and you look at them and you smile and
you get them to stand.
John: can we skip over the
preliminary’s and like make someone’s head blow off
Kiri: no, no.
John: oh okay, so I guess I’m going to
have to start with the simple techniques first?
Kiri: that’s right. Now there are
certain ground rules because coercion can be used to
get one’s personal gain. If you are a great orator,
take for example……you seem to have a thing about the
guy with the mustache and the short
attitude and the corporal.
David: I think he was an insane idiot.
Kiri: but he was a very strong
David: oh I really like the way…..he
was a good orator.
David: he was just a maniac but he was
a genius maniac.
Kiri: yeah, the border between genius
and madness is very narrow. Another person, Joseph
Stalin……very great orators, Winston Churchill,
Roosevelt, Lincoln, all great orators. All very good
at communicating to get people to believe their
ideas. It is also in the way that they
carry themselves, notice that they all stand up
straight, they don’t slouch when they talk. They
talk with passion, they use their arms, they
generate this huge field to coerce a lot of people.
So therefore you’ve got to learn how to coerce with
words before you can coerce mentally and then from
mentally you’ve got to go on. But, if you take
people like Hitler and Stalin, they’re corrupt
because what they wanted was world domination for
their own personal gain. You take Roosevelt,
Lincoln, Washington, all your great American people,
Ronald Reagan, they coerce
for the common good, a little
bit for personal gain as well. So, normally when you
coerce for personal gain, things go wrong. You end
up being disliked, shot at, killed, blown up,
poisoned, going crazy. So therefore you’ve
got to be careful when you coerce in a negative way.
Now here’s a question for you Johnny, a nice
situation for you. You are a very clever coercer
like myself right? I go for a job interview and I
need a job. I coerce the person for the
job, is that good or bad?
John: it’s good.
Kiri: tell me why.
John: because I wouldn’t use that
technique unless I was in a desperate situation and
needed a job desperately.
John: and with what I do for
a living, cooking…..
John: eating goes hand-in-hand with
Kiri: oh exactly.
John: a cook won’t starve to death, I
don’t care what the company policy is…..
Kiri: uh-huh, you’ve got to sample the
John: I’ve got to.
Kiri: so therefore……
John: I’m forced into it.
Kiri: yeah, so therefore using your
coercion to get a job right? You coerce the person
into giving you the job. You’re doing something for
yourself but you’re also doing something for them
because you are a talented chef. All chefs think
they’re great and I mean that in a complementary
way, that’s what makes them good. So, in return they
bring their style and flair to that place and if it
is marketed correctly, that place thrives. Take your
place in Sedona, "Judi’s". Before you got there what
was it? It was a okay restaurant wasn’t it?
Russ: hole the wall.
John: yeah it was a okay hole in the
wall surviving on a shoestring.
Kiri: and when you got there and after
a year or two what happened? Tah-dah!!! Johnny
arrived, everything went great.
John: yeah, we expanded the menus, we
increased the food quality, we increased the amount
of business and revenue.
John: I also in turn increased my
Kiri: uh-huh and you became a very
important part of the team.
John: that’s true.
Kiri: so therefore you brought
something as an employee to the company.
John: no doubt about it.
Kiri: certainly benefited them. So by
using a coercive means, it works two ways. You
survive or I would survive if I was a chef and you
do wonderful things for the company. So therefore
using coercion in a negative form can actually turn
into a positive form in that sense whereas if you go
for a job that you really don’t need that you’re
going to rip off the company and you coerce them,
that’s bad. So you see that it is….
David: but you’re taking away
somebody’s own decision making……..you’re not
allowing them to decide for themselves who
they think the best cook would be.
Kiri: sometimes people’s decisions are
David: yeah but everybody thinks their
way of thinking is right.
Kiri: uh-huh. You're quite correct but
by putting yourself in a situation where you benefit
them and they benefit you it’s a mutual thing. After
a while it doesn’t matter whether you coerce them or
not, the fact remains such as "Judi’s" that the
place blossomed with the help of Johnny. So if he
had coerced for a job it would have probably
happened quicker. If he learns how to coerce here,
the same thing could happen but it also depends on I
believe marketing as well. You can have the greatest
food in the world and if it’s not marketed
properly……..so coercion, coercion can have
a positive effect. Even though you do take away the
person’s free will, it is only for a one-off. On the
other hand, if you take away their free will in a
negative way, for example let us take…..I can’t
think of anybody new, I suppose we could
go back to the Little Cpl. again but I’m sick of the
Little Cpl. Anybody else sick of him?
John: yeah, I don't want to hear
anything else about Hitler.
Kiri: okay, another, a
little captain from France, great coercer.
John: oh Napoleon?
Kiri: uh-huh, great coercer, another
great one. Tell me, did Napoleon do
Kiri: what did he do good?
David: he turned France into a world
David: somewhat European power.
David: and made everybody there kind
Kiri: feel good about themselves.
David: feel prosperous yeah and
brought back their patriotism.
Kiri: uh-huh. But he gave something
again as a coercer much more important. Russ....
Kiri: what’s your
Russ: he brought in a
order to things where before it was pretty well
Kiri: uh-huh but he brought one very
important thing and it's close to order. He brought
the law that they still use and thank you Tia, the
law that they still use in their country
today was invented partly by Napoleon. A little
bit like George Washington in your country and the
David: didn’t he put a lot of people
in graves though?
Kiri: yes, that’s the negative side.
He dominated and killed thousands and thousands of
people so therefore he was a border point good, bad
coercer and what happened to him? He died very
young. So coercion, what have we
learned tonight? You have to control it very, very
carefully otherwise you get beyond your wildest
dreams and you go crazy, simple as that, you become
a very bad person. Do we have any questions?
John: yeah, can you give us any advice
on techniques and tools to use so we don’t abuse
coercion and coercive powers and shielding?
Kiri: here’s the biggest tool, here
and here, does it feel right? Certainly some of the
bad people have always thought it felt right but is
it really right, does it benefit you and you alone
or does it benefit the other person?
These are questions that you have to ask yourself
and if it feels good here and the answer here is
that it benefits both parties or it benefits them
more than it benefits you, then it’s good. Take
Mark’s current problem. If
he coerces her, he’s taking away her learning
experience. If he doesn’t coerce her, she
proceeds down the way where she
will never learn. So what does he do? Pulls out his
hair, goes crazy and get stressed out about it.
it benefit her? Certainly it does take away the
problems and it does help her but does
she learn? Yes she does learn but why doesn’t he
coerce her? I don’t know, he won’t let me in and you
guys have gone mighty quiet.
Russ: oh well, I thought it was
a rhetorical question.
Kiri: well never mind.
Russ: I’ve got other questions besides
coercion so I’ll wait until the
coercion questions get answered.
Kiri: okay, any more questions on
John: no, not for me thank you, you’ve
been very informative.
Kiri: okay now your question.
Russ: well darling, I was talking to
Tia about a certain Douglas Adams story and….
Kiri: you were? She’s giggling.
Russ: yeah, of course. Which brings me
to a certain point in the book called "So
and Thanks For All
Russ: in which after supposedly the
earth was destroyed by a Vogon construction fleet,
in later stories it was seen that the dolphins
apparently gave them a false earth or something like
that? I don’t remember.
Kiri: you’re asking the wrong person,
I haven’t read it.
Russ: well I’m thinking now on this
transition between third dimensional earth and
sixth dimensional earth okay?
Russ: now looking……
SIDE ONE ENDS
gets back to answering the question being asked)
…..is necessary here on Earth?
Kiri: I really don’t know, you’re
asking the wrong question. You have to remember
that Sirius and Earth are two
totally different planets. Their suns are two
totally different suns, the local setups were
two totally different setups so it’s really
hard to say.
Russ: let me ask you this question
then, how much importance will the Great
of Egypt have to do with the transition as we saw
with the transition of Sirius?
Kiri: because it was a copy, I don’t
see that it will have that much of an influence,
it was not inhabited.
Russ: okay well we
know it had a few different purposes.
Russ: would one of the possible
purposes be towards the transitional phase that
we're looking at in the future?
Kiri: it’s really hard to say, there
is that possibility yes.
Russ: so we would
research it possibly?
Kiri: uh-huh, possibly.
Kiri: so, I’m now the theologist huh?
Well I suppose I am a little bit yeah.
Russ: I was just kicking it around,
what the heck?
Kiri: okay, I’m kicking.
John: how about Mount Shasta or
something else other than the Great
more of an influence on this planet in our
dimensional shift since Sirius and Earth
are so different?
Kiri: uh-huh, hmm.
John: could it
possibly be a Mayan or South American or a natural
Kiri: a natural formation would have
a much stronger influence on your planet certainly
because if you take somewhere like Mount Shasta,
it certainly does have crystals in it, it
certainly does have certain interesting properties
however it is very unstable. Take certain Mayan
structures such as Tenetischla,
is that correct?
John: yeah, it's close
enough for me.
Kiri: close enough
for me too.
no, I don't know.
It's down near the
Russ: go ahead.
Kiri: anyway, I mean certainly that
there again does have very psychic influences
however, it has had very negative influences as
well so I don’t see that that would work. What you
need somewhere that is stable and pure that has
the ability to hold lifeforms within it.
John: how about a area or a pyramid
that has not been discovered by archaeologists
yet, something that’s still out there that we
Kiri: uh-huh, there are those
possibilities. I can’t help you to say where,
when, how, why because half the answers I don’t
know. However, there is a very large pyramid quite
close to you.
John: can you tell us where?
Russ: the one you're
in I guess.
(Ed. note: there was a six foot copper
pyramid in the room we had built)
David: could it be a pyramid that’s
not really a formation of the earth but a pyramid
that’s if you look at it from the sky it’s
like......because I guess Humboldt and Mendocino
counties and some Shasta county or
something is like supposed to be the prime soil
area in California.
Kiri: that’s a possibility there
however there is a pyramid very close to you guys,
not this one but close. Do you use it as a
navigational beacon when you astral travel?
do you know what I'm talking about?
Kiri: over there.
Kiri: over there, if you go outside
Russ: you mean Tallac?
David: Mount Tallac?
Kiri: no, next one over, what’s the
name of it?
John: Pyramid Mountain.
Kiri: Pyramid Peak.
John: Pyramid Peak,
Kiri: so it could be a
natural formation. That
is quite stable, it’s got crystals in it however I
don’t think it could hold spiritually lifeforms.
It could do, I don’t know,
it’s got caves in it, certainly it could hold
them. But there’s many things that you have to
remember about pyramids and stuff. Your planet
doesn’t have the same religious setup as we had or
still do have on Sirius. I mean you’re talking
about a religious setup that is about a 100,000
years old and it works very well.
Russ: well that’s true, I’m just
wondering is it necessary to have such a structure
to survive the transition?
Kiri: you have to remember why the
pyramid on Sirius was built.
Kiri: which was?
Russ: to honor the souls of those who
passed away during the…..
Russ: destruction of Tonar the Corrupt.
Kiri: correct or rather actually his
Russ: his daughters
Kiri: uh-huh. So that is why……..now
Tia got nudged, I’m getting nudged by the next
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: we will have to continue this
at some other time.
John: all right thanks.
Kiri: I’ll see you guys later.
John: yeah see you.
Kiri: yeah.......and as Omal's
not here to say it I’ll say it, live long, prosper
and, I’ll be back. It wouldn't be quite the same
without somebody saying that.
(Tia prepares for
the next speaker)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay, they're linking minds so they'll
be a few seconds, any quick questions?
Russ: yeah what happened
in "So Long and Thanks
the Fish"? How did the dolphins
do it again?
Tia: they just disappeared, left by
their own means.
Russ: yes but how did they save the Earth?
Tia: they didn’t, it never said.
Russ: yeah it did.
Tia: you sure?
Russ: uh-huh, I’ll
reread the book.
Tia: yeah. Okay, they’re ready.
Russ: I’ll have a report for you next
Tia: yes and I want it in writing,
triplicates sent in, sent back, queried, lost,
found, lost again, finally buried in soft peat for
six months and then recycled as fire lighters.
Russ: I'll see what I can do.
(Ed. report: in the book, the dolphins left
Earth prior to its destruction
for an alternate dimension.
Before leaving, they created a new Earth
and transported everything from the
original to the new one)
(Karra joins us for a
healing lesson that had been
Russ: hello my love.
Karra: how’s it
Russ: getting there.
how’s it going?
John: okay, who am I talking to here?
John: oh well you guys jump around,
if I don’t know I’ll ask.
Karra: okay that
John: how you doing tonight Karra?
Karra: I’m doing
excellent however I was kept awake earlier on last
Russ: ohh, the
earthquakes on Hades Base?
psychic earthquakes. David, how are you
David: pretty good.
Karra: but not as
well as you would like.
Karra: team effort by
Russ: I’ll get the water.
Karra: so you have
a problem I hear with your leg.
Russ: cold water right?
David: thank you.
a clean towel.
(Karra prepares for the healing by
clapping her hands together to stimulate the
Karra: okay, you
know how to suck energy if my memory serves me
David: if I know what?
Karra: how to suck
energy out of crystals.
David: well I've never felt like I
had to suck them out.
Karra: well you’re
going to have to this time.
David: always felt like they were
just coming out.
we’re going to force you to suck lots of energy
Karra: okay let me
come closer........okay, let’s do this
properly this time.
(we hear her
rinsing her hands)
Karra: right, stick out your knee.......I’m
going to draw energy.
(Karra claps her hands together to
stimulate the energy again)
Karra: now I’m
going to talk as I go so that Russ can learn. Now
why did I remove the watch?
Russ: because it interferes with
right. There we go, we got contact here. Okay now
relax, hold the crystal with both hands like this
okay. Close your eyes and suck, okay. Oh that is
badly swollen, you got any ice
Russ: Johnny, you
have ice cubes?
John: I’ll check it out.
Russ: I was just wondering if you
knew, I haven't been in the freezer in a while.
John: I think so.
Karra: now what
I’m doing is I’m heating the area up, can you feel
the heat being created?
Karra: okay now it
will make the leg bend easier. Okay we need to get
this swelling down first so
what we will do is get some ice on there.
Okay now suck the energy out of the crystal. Move
your leg forward a little bit there? Okay we’re
going to start pulling energy from the underside
and the topside here instead of from the side
here. Okay Russ, could you bring over the laser
(a crystal point
with some unique properties)
Russ: uhh yeah.
Karra: and how did
you do this?
David: I was hit by a car.
Karra: and you
were hit on the leg?
David: they could’ve hit me a lot
harder, it was only like 10 or 15 miles an hour.
Karra: okay now
how does that feel so far?
Russ: here you go.
Karra: Russ, I’ve
got a job for you.
Russ: uhh yeah.
Karra: I want
you to hold that right there.
energy down there. Okay…..now what Russ is doing
is he’s concentrating on a focal point and what is
actually happening is you've drawn the energy from
the crystal and brought it up through your leg and
I’m directing the energy. How
does that feel?
Karra: a little
bit more movement?
Karra: okay got
some exercises that will help as you are a skier.
snowboarder. Snowboarder, skier, they’re the same.
I don’t ski very much or snowboard very much. Okay
you will need one towel and I'll
show you what to do. Okay roll it up
and this is taught even on your third dimension.
Put it underneath the knee right? And this
will help to strengthen the knee and you lift it
up, count to 10 (counts to ten).
Bring it back down.
David: I can’t straighten my leg yet
all the way to a lock.
Karra: no you
don’t straighten it to lock. Bring it up, stretch
your toe forward, count to 10 and bring it down
okay? Do that 10 times and then rest, rest for
about two minutes and then do it another 10 times.
All’s you’re doing is bringing it up and
stretching your toes. What you’re actually doing
is stretching the muscles here and here. Now if it
hurts, don’t force it, okay? There’s another one
that you can do is you lie back all the way flat
on the ground and I’m not going to go all the way
and bring it up and hold it and of
course toes are facing forward and then bring it
down. Count to 10, up, forward, count to 10 and
down. What you're doing then is you're
strengthening the other part of this part of the
leg here and the lower part of the knee here okay?
Karra: okay now
don’t forget the ice. Promise me you’ll put ice on
it when you get home, it will help.
David: well someone told me that I
should actually put heating pads on it because the
swelling has gone down a whole, whole hell of a
lot. It’s still a little swollen.
Karra: no you want
to take the swelling out first of all. What the
heat pads will do right?
Karra: is it will
stimulate the blood flow.
David: which makes it
heal faster right?
John: no it makes the swelling
John: and your inflammation increase.
John: you need ice, in fact……
Karra: you see
what happens when you have a….
John: as long as you promise to give
these back to me, I have got some therapeutic ice
packs that are made exactly for this.
Karra: okay, now
what happens when you use cold is that the blood
contracts right? And that area
needs to be heated so the blood rushes down to it
and it’s being contracted which speeds up the
blood flow through that area.
in turn what it does is it speeds up the healing
process because there’s been oxygen brought in the
blood system to that area. Now what you can also
do is elevate it, sit on a chair with it up high
like this and that in turn with the ice, you have
the blood flowing down the leg and it’s pumped up
the leg hard so it has to work to get up there but
when it comes back down it flows quicker which
means that the oxygen is being put into the muscle
of the leg because it has to pump uphill and when
it comes rushing down, you’re getting the
circulation of the blood going faster.
Karra: in fact if
somebody was to monitor your heart, your heartbeat
would go from a steady what’s it, about 80 a
minute? To probably about 81 or 82 a
minute, it would increase by one heartbeat per
minute. Any more questions gentlemen?
Russ: none for me.
John: oh no, not right off hand.
Karra: okay I’m
going to go because we have a guest speaker.
(Tia makes her final
Tia: yes Russ?
Russ: hey babe.
Tia: well what we’re going to do
because English isn’t her first language, is
Kiri is going to be her voice and she will ask
questions through her and you can ask questions
and Kiri will translate for her and then translate
Tia: okay? Also she’s being shy about
sitting in the channeling chair.
Russ: I understand.
returns but only to act as the voice
for the future
Russ: how’s it Gonzo?
is doing fine.
Kiri: where do you start?
Kiri: what is it like to live in a
different, cold climate?
Russ: hmm……well, shovel a lot of
snow, clean off the windshield of our cars.
Kiri: explain cars.
Russ: personal mode of transportation
Kiri: ahh, she understands.
Kiri: what we’re doing Johnny is I’m
acting as the voice for a very shy person who
wants to ask a whole load of questions and also
answer a whole load of questions.
Kiri: yes and she doesn’t speak much
in the way of English.
Kiri: so instead of…..
John: does she have a
Kiri: well everybody calls her Gonzo.
Kiri: yes Gonzo.
John: is that in reference to her
Kiri: she does have a little bit of a
but it is in actual fact a shortening of her name.
John: which is?
John: okay. Well any questions you
got for me ask away.
Kiri: she wants to know what is it
like in a high desert?
John: what constitutes a high
John: is the lack of rainfall
basically and high deserts range from your
vegetarian, vegetable matter that grows on the Earth
is your biggest basic difference and there’s
different parameters…..I mean you can have a high
desert with large trees or large cactus or you can
have…..there’s a lot of high desert with virtually
no trees and cactus and very limited vegetation.
Kiri: what is cactus?
John: cactus is a plant that grows
very good in desert areas and it's
very unique. The saguaro cactus of Arizona, the
trees of the desert and there’s many different
varieties of cactus and succulents and other
usually very hardy species. Cactus are hardy
species, they grow best under harsh conditions.
Kiri: describe the appearance of a
John: it would be cylindrical and
spiny. They vary dramatically, there’s different
varieties and different species. They’re
Kiri: describe the one that you
John: and they're hardy.
Russ: well saguaros grow
about 15 feet tall sometimes but average
John: oh yeah but they grow a lot
bigger than that if you don’t mess with them.
Russ: oh sure and they basically have
a single stock about maybe a foot, food and a half
across that goes up 15 feet with a couple arms
that break off from it that go…..
John: the unique feature of a
saguaro cactus for it to grow an
arm, it needs 24 hours of continuous precipitation
and usually that comes in snow where it will snow
on the cactus and the moisture……inevitably the
next day usually the snow will melt because of the
ground temperature rising but with this unique
property and getting 24 hours of continuous
moisture allows it for an arm to
grow. They’re a slow-growing, hardy species,
spiny…..there’s many with some medicinal
Kiri: what color are they?
John: green as a general rule, most
Russ: some will flower like the
saguaro will flower.
Kiri: what color flowers?
John: most all
of them will flower.
Kiri: okay. Questions, do you have
any for Gonzo?
John: any cactus?
(the phone rings)
Russ: I got it.
John: no, not right off hand. Do you
have cactus on Hades?
Kiri: we don’t have them on Hades
Base and Gonzo is saying that there are
semi-succulent plants but none that match that
John: yeah, succulents and cactus do
have some similarities.
John: could you put in a greenhouse
and grow cactus on Hades Base, are you capable of
Kiri: on Hades Base yes but Gonzo’s
from Sirius, she’s visiting.
John: okay and would it be possible
to grow cactus on Sirius?
Kiri: no because it’s not a native
John: could you introduce it in any
kind of way?
Kiri: it is forbidden.
David: what do you do for kicks on
Kiri: on Sirius, Gonzo says she
hikes, she likes to eat flowers which have a
narcotic effect but are non-addictive.
likes to ski, she is not
very good at it because it is far for her to
travel to ski. It is about eight hours for her to
get to where she can ski. She likes to drink and
David: do they have the same…..like I
don’t know, it's a different
planet, what do they…..
Kiri: what do we do for fun?
David: no, not really. Are there any
things up there for fun that are like totally
impossible to do on Earth or are there
things on Earth that’s totally
impossible for them to do there?
Kiri: Gonzo says she likes to free
fly which is she straps on a pair of wings and
feathers on her feet and she can fly like a bird.
I believe that is impossible on your planet due to
the fact that the gravity is too high. As opposed
to things that you have on your planet, Gonzo says
she would like to drive one of your combustible
propelled vehicles in a competing fashion.
John: like drag racing or something?
Kiri: something like that yes, I
think I know what drag racing
John: what does Gonzo
look like? Describe her physically, all
her physical features head to toe.
Kiri: okay head to toe, well she’s
about 6’1”, she has brownish hair, she has a hook
nose but not too big. She has greeny eyes.
John: green eyes?
John: greenish eyes. Is there any
white pupils to them?
Kiri: yes uh-huh.
John: does she have eyelids?
John: and as far as getting back to
her hair, her brunette hair, what length is it?
Kiri: shoulder length.
John: what length does
she wear it?
Kiri: shoulder length but at the
moment it’s tied in a ponytail I think you would
call it, pulled back.
David: does she have big old like one
inch thick strands of hair like "Predator"?
Kiri: no. Put
it this way, if she walked down your street, the
only thing that would strike her as different is
the fact that she is tall.
David: oh, they look like humans up
there on Sirius?
Kiri: yeah I look…..I’m
very humanoid and I come from Sirius, in fact I’m
a little bit short for a Sirian.
John: arms, legs…….
John: and how about her reproductive
system, is it similar to the
humanoids in this third dimension Earth?
Kiri: very compatible, very
compatible apart from we tend to be a little bit
more fluid in the vaginal line, vaginal fluids.
John: and would Sirians
be considered mammals how we consider humans
mammals on our planet?
Kiri: uh-huh, yes. We’re very……if
you were to do an autopsy on a Sirian, the only
thing that would be different would be a lighter
bone structure, the appendix work and I believe
the heart is angled slightly differently. Blood
pressure is higher of course……
Kiri: because we’re bigger, we’re
taller as a rule.
David: oh, what is an average man
Kiri: average height for an average
man runs at about at 6’1” to 6’3” so 6’2” would be
about the average.
Kiri: women? Again about 6’1” to
David: so there’s not a big height
difference between women and men?
Kiri: no, no. As I said, I’m 5’11”,
no I’m six feet and I’m short.
there are people taller that go as far as 6’6”.
There are some people that are 6’8”, 6’9”. The
tallest person on our planet was 8’3”.
John: do you guys play basketball?
Kiri: what’s basketball? We both want
to know, Gonzo and myself would like to know.
John: well it’s a sport that we do
for a pastime, some of us participate in it
Kiri: we have a image up here on the
computer of a male Negro about 6’1” with big,
thick glasses strapped to the side of his head…..
Kiri: and he’s also......another
picture is being popped up of him wearing a pilot
suit carrying a basketball, is that correct,
David: 6’1’ man, Kareem’s taller than
John: yeah Kareem’s taller than 6’1”
Kiri: 6’9”? Well it’s hard
to say looking at a hologram but he’s wearing a
blue flight suit in one
picture and the other one he has......Lakers?
Kiri: why is he a pilot…..is he a
pilot professionally and plays part-time?
Russ: no, it’s a movie that he was
Kiri: oh it’s a movie? Tia’s
John: yeah it’s a fictional….
John: a fictional production that we
do for entertainment, it’s
one of our forms of entertainment.
Kiri: oh yes we are aware of the
John: along with
watching these black people bounce
balls. Now you referred to him
as a Negro?
John: do you have different….
Kiri: yes we do.
John: species on your planet?
Kiri: we have different colors.
David: is green one of them?
Kiri: (laughing) no.
David: do you have what we would
consider a Caucasian?
Kiri: yes, I am white and there are
people that are of very dark skin, almost black,
in color would be a better description. We have
people that have a yellowy tinge
to their skin and a red tinge to their skin.
David: that covers us too.
Kiri: uh-huh but we don’t have any
people of short stature on our planet. Short
David: no midgets?
Kiri: no short people.
David: not even like 5’5”?
Kiri: no, only children.
John: on Earth, the ratio
of land to water is
approximately one third landmass
to two thirds water…..
John: how does that compare to
Kiri: I should say it’s actually more
on Sirius about fifty-fifty but we do have
lakes…..we have a lot more drinking water
available to us. Instead of 1% of our water, it is
actually 4% of our water is drinkable.
John: is there life forms that live
in these bodies of water?
Kiri: yes uh-huh, dolphins, orcas,
pinnipeds. We have oh vast, different varieties of
fish. We have a fish very similar to your salmon
apart from it doesn’t die at the end of its life
cycle. It will keep going and keep going and keep
going and keep going and my father when I was
little girl.....and Gonzo is telling me
that I’m hogging all the time......caught
one that was huge. It was about that big and about
that fat and it took him about ten
and a half hours to catch and he had a very thin
line that was test weighted to I think
it was five chee which is a measurement of weight.
John: is Sirius a third dimensional
Kiri: no, not anymore, we're sixth
John: okay, well I mean I….
Kiri: sorry, yes, I didn’t mean to
John: I’m curious, but would you
consider yourselves more evolved than the human
Kiri: spiritually and psychically
yes, physically no.
David: what’s the crime rate?
Kiri: what’s crime? I know what crime
is, Gonzo is saying what is crime?
David: crime is actually an idea not
Kiri: doing something that is not
acceptable by people’s standards.
Kiri: but we do not have….
David: sometimes immoral.
Kiri: what is immoral?
David: immoral is....it's something
other than what is usually perceived as….
Kiri: correct by the people.
David: yeah, just the right way to do
things or the right way to live and treat each
Kiri: uh-huh, the concept of taking a
life is unknown to us. It is not unheard of, it
happens, most the
time it is accidental. Those that have committed
murder and I believe there is a grand total maybe
five on the planet that did it
intentionally are kept separate and incarcerated
and helped. Rape is unheard of, assault is unheard
of. Fighting is heard of and it is normally
between very select individuals that are the
equivalent to your army and it is encouraged
between them but they are
encouraged very strongly not to hurt people that
do not participate in their lifestyle.
Russ: has Gonzo acclimated herself to
her new position yet?
Kiri: she’s blushing and
saying no. She’s got her hands on her face going,
Russ: (laughing) does she ski?
Kiri: not very well.
Russ: well good, neither
do I so….
Kiri: Mark is taking her up the
slopes tomorrow and I’m coming along too, taking a
Russ: oh good.
Russ: well I’ll be coming up tonight
I'll just come on over and say hi.
Russ: does she like Earl
Kiri: she’s still learning about tea.
Okay now any more questions for Gonzo
as I hogged all her time?
Russ: is she excited about the
marriage coming up?
Russ: good, has she seen her wedding
Kiri: not yet, she’s going to be trying
that on tomorrow morning.
Russ: ohh good.
Russ: well from what I heard about
it, it’s going to be something to see.
John: is there a population of
Sirians on earth right now?
John: are they
in the third dimension?
John: are they any kind of threat to
the human race?
Kiri: yes and no. Russ, are there any
Sirians in your room, ancestors of Sirians?
Russ: yeah all of us.
Kiri: uh-huh, you’re all a threat to
each other unfortunately so yes they are a threat
and no they are not a threat, very convoluted but
I’ve got to apologize, I’m hogging all the time
Russ: well that’s all right, will she
able to come by every once in a while for our
Kiri: it is unlikely, it is unlikely.
Russ: what is she going to be doing while
she’s up there, besides being a
Kiri: well she’s going to be doing
the tourist thing.
Russ: well that will be fun.
John: what exactly is Russ’s role
Kiri: a teacher.
John: on this
Russ: right, I was talking to her
about Earth the other day when she
first got up there.
Kiri: yes, they teach each other.
John: so she's curious,
Kiri: very curious, yes.
Russ: because it’s a part of the
family now and she doesn't
understand that part of the
Russ: but explain to her I’m kind
of sorry for being so ghost-like and fading
out there at the last.
Kiri: she says that is all right.
John: will Russ and Gonzo have
physical contact, will Russ be able to solidify
Kiri: the only person that
can answer that question she is saying is Russ.
Russ: that’s right but yes it
is very possible…
Russ: it’s how much effort
I can get to it.
John: and Russ will be visiting Gonzo
on Hades Base while she’s visiting Hades Base?
Kiri: she says yes.
John: and then after her marriage
she’s going to return to Sirius?
Kiri: that is correct.
John: can she visit Earth?
Kiri: no, she’s not permitted to.
John: is she capable of doing it?
Kiri: if she was to
hop aboard one of our patrol ships she could
certainly come down to your planet, walk down the
street, nobody would raise an eyebrow apart from
as I said her height. However, the
reason why she won’t come to your planet is the
same reason as I’m not allowed to go is because I
do not understand money, I do not understand your
customs, I do not understand your taboos, I do not
understand your laws, I do not understand things
you would call common sense. For
example, when you cross a street you have to stop
when there are vehicles, they don’t stop for you.
The few vehicles we have on Sirius, they stop for
you. Even if it is a very busy area with maybe one
every 30 seconds, they have to stop and let you
John: what form of transportation are
you referring to, does it use an internal
combustion engine similar to us?
Kiri: no, no.
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s a gravimetric…..do
you want me to explain how it works?
Kiri: okay gravimetrical….
Russ: we have about three minutes of
Kiri: how many?
Kiri: and Tia is shouting, "no".
John: can we talk about this some
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