Archivist Notes: For those keeping track,
this session comes a week after this March's podcast
called "Cycles and Superegos so some of the references
will relate back to that channeling session.
Tia gets side one off on a
light mood with a quick joke just before Ashtar
prepares us for a future much more bleak than the one
we ended with in this reality. That preparation
included individual groups built from the 3rd
dimensional guests attending the channeling sessions
that gather as larger groups later on. Tia took the
concept a little further by using the Roman Empire as
an example of smaller groups keeping the information
alive. Omal also touched on groups and reminded us how
an economic crash could lead to having to make certain
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(Tia gets things started with a little humor.)
Tia: okay, before we start, a quick joke. Okay, there's this fish swimming around in a lake, salmon actually and it looks up and it spots a fly and it thinks to itself, "if that fly comes down a little bit lower I can jump up and eat the fly." There's a bear standing on the bank or in the bushes above the pond and he looks down and goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, I'm going to jump out and I'm going to grab that fish." Up on a hill behind a tree overlooking the pond is a hunter with his rifle and he sees the bear down there and he goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, the bear's going to jump out and I'm going to shoot that bear. Sitting about 5 feet behind him under a whole load of grass is a mouse and the mouse looks over and he goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, the bear's going to jump out, the hunter's going to jump up, going to shoot that bear and the sandwich in his pocket is going to fall out onto the ground and I've got myself lunch." Behind the mouse sitting on a branch looking down is a cat and the cat looks around and he goes, "hmmm, if that fly drops down lower, the fish is going to jump up, the bear's going to jump out, the hunter's going to jump up, take a shot, kill the bear and the sandwich is going to fall out and the mouse is going to charge, eat the sandwich and I'm going to have that mouse for dinner. All of a sudden, the fly drops down lower, the fish jumps up, the bear jumps out, the hunter jumps up, shoots the bear, the sandwich falls out, the mouse jumps, gets the sandwich, the cat takes a jump, misses, rolls all the way down to the hill and lands in the pond and the moral of the story is, a lot's got to happen before a pussy gets wet.
(Snickers all around.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Karen: that was good.
Russ: that was pretty good.
Tia: did you tell Johnny?
Tia: okay, he's on his way up?
Karen: because she saw what we saw on the Internet yesterday.
Russ: which was?
Tia: okay. Greetings. (Tia says hi to the cat in Durondedunn.)
Karen: Ganja, Ganja kitty.
Tia: okay, now down to business. Okay, I will do my normal speech and spiel after our guest speaker. I've got to make him comfortable, he's running a temperature at the moment of about 98.4.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Ashtar makes one of his always important appearances.)
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations and welcome. Let us get down to the communication, the eloquence of the communication of tonight's speak. We will address certain matters, upcoming events which concern you all. It has come to my attention that your stock market has gone from a bull market to a bear market. This has been predicted in our predictions by our by our resident prognosticator (Tia). The information that is relayed for this purpose is for your understanding, for your decisions to make. The potential that is to occur is A, an economic depression with all that entails. B, unrest and strife relating to said market activity. C, civil disobedience relating in an indirect way to the governmental activities. D, governmental activities of an illegal nature concerning certain activities in monetary gathering. E, the outcome of certain investigations. Let us address E first. The outcome of these investigations will get certain key actions to occur. Possible resigning of lead, of said leader of country. Possible resignation of Vice President. Definite non-re-electable ability of Vice President. Investigation into other activities concerning certain supposed suicides. Investigations into certain monetary gains of individuals, namely Whitewater will be reopened. Okay, let us look at other fields of information to watch. The stock market activity on the computer, the Dow index, watch that, that is not as important as the Russell 2000 or the NASDAQ 400. Those are things to be watched. The NASDAQ, the Russell index and other indexes. Link those with the current activity on the Dow market and you will be able to project when and where this event will occur. How to do this is done by watching the increase and decrease in the activities in those areas. Also of areas to look into is the growth in technologies. IBM is a good company to watch. McIntosh is already showing signs of wear. Computer engineering. It has been brought to my attention that there is certain rivalry, this is irrelevant. Each computer has its specific duty and function for the upcoming problems. Traveling great distances, this is being looked into. This is for release of information. This has a very important role into preparing other areas. That is why all three of you are present. The traveling of individuals to other parts of your planet is necessary for the release of information but, done carefully and in such a way that it does not sound as if it is doomsaying. The future that comes after this event of the crash and the economic problems that follow and the civil problems and the governmental problems is a preparation for the final outcome of preparation for the next evolutionary stage. That is why it is important to give out this information in other areas of your planet. Not just through your Internet, not everybody has access to your Internet. So it is necessary for individuals to embark on probably one of the hardest parts of their life. The difficulty that has been occurring at this time is preparation for the hardness to come. Certain substances will have to be given up to keep enlightenment and knowledge focused. Those substances will be decided by the individual and will be discarded at the appropriate time. There is other also medical matters that need to be addressed relating to certain substances. These substances have helped in the past and now have become a very un-useful tool, a hindrance but the learning from those hindrances are now going to pay dividends. The advancement of the local mind in the areas that individuals travel to will be done slowly and surreptitiously using the intelligence of that individual or individuals and being able to release the information in a way that is a credit to themselves and to others. The phrase "I am a simple individual" is an understatement. The individual or individuals that do the traveling do not give themselves enough credit. Credit will be returned in the future. Any questions? Let us start off with the young man at the far end.
John: is the photon cloud have any effect on all this?
Ashtar: the photon cloud is irrelevant in this matter.
Ashtar: young lady.
Karen: when you're saying substances, does that mean all drugs, all smoking, all everything else?
Ashtar: that is self-evident. Young man.
Russ: okay, on the Internet front, working with other groups to increase the knowledge though people aren't are all hooked up, we are being asked to join somebody from the one of the ships Starship Athena.
Russ: apparently they have a chat channel and there's lots of things with workers and light seekers or light workers and star seeds and walk-ins and they're all joining together aboard this one, well on the Starship Athena. I'm not sure if it's a page or just something and we're being asked to you know link up to it and it comes from Commander Aleon?
Ashtar: yes, I'm aware of Aleon.
Russ: okay and apparently this is a channeled kind of thing to us in particular because we are also working with Ashtar Command and so they are trying to bring all the Ashtar Command workers together.
Ashtar: not just Ashtar Command workers. It has been discussed by you and the channel host body that it would be useful to bring individuals together from other groups.
Ashtar: this is part of that bringing together, proceed.
Russ: ahh, okay thank you.
Ashtar: young man at the end.
John: does it look like we're going to go into a full-scale depression economically?
Ashtar: the potential is there. In your stock market, there are a few people that experienced the crash of '78. There are a few people more than experienced the crash of '78 which I would estimate to be 1% of all people that give advice. The crash of '88 is going to be minor compared to what is the potential to come. It is necessary to watch and analyze what is going on. Young lady.
Karen: you said join all groups. Is that, I mean you were talking about groups from other planets like Russ was saying but does that mean groups that we have gathered ourselves individually?
Ashtar: individually yes but the time will become self-evident when it is necessary to bring your associates together. The time will as I said be self-evident but the preparation in advance is also necessary. You will decide what that preparation is. Young man at this end.
Russ: yes I'm taking a long trip coming up here to Cancun Mexico and would this be an appropriate place to also spread this information then?.
Ashtar: that is your decision. It depends on whether it is recreational, spiritual, business or all three. The potential for passing information on is all around you. I will give a brief dissertation and then final questions from each of you. Concerning spiritual groups and individuals around you. It is necessary to focus them into their particular abilities. The advancement that each of you teachers have is necessary for your spiritual growth as well as your associates and comrades. The development of the associate minds around you will be able to formulate a group but if you all split up, you will have the ability to form your own groups that will be able to work with other groups of former associates. For example, Mr. (Ed: Name edited.), if you form a group, it will be capable with the teachings that have been laid down to interact with individuals of Miss (Ed: Name edited.) group and in turn, your two groups will be able to interact with Mr. Hatfield's group and vice versa. The development of those groups are important even if you are all in close proximity, your associates and comrades may not be aware of each other but, the time will come where individuals from each group may interact with individuals from each other group so therefore they will be able to use meta-concert trainings, shield trainings altogether without having to say "how do you do yours?" It will be automatic and they will be able to work together in those meta-concert's as a team regardless if they are from the state of New York, the state of California, Oregon or Washington, or Idaho or Arizona. All those groups will be able to work together as a team. Other individuals that are not present tonight that would've been desirable to have present in the state of Nevada will also be instructed in the final stages and preparation for the upcoming event. They themselves will formulate groups in those areas. Last question starting at the far end again with the young man.
John: do you foresee a lot of militia and military type activity being associated with this economic depression we're going into?
Ashtar: not so much military but militia like activity of individuals on a more of a economic system. Young lady.
Karen: I'm kind of at a loss for words right now.
Ashtar: young man.
Russ: okay so when I........I'll be putting this message on the webpage and it's essentially then a spiritual call to arms?
Ashtar: not a call to arms, we are a peaceful organization.
Ashtar: it is a spiritual call to mental activity.
Russ: correct, it is what I meant, sorry.
Ashtar: thank you.
John: thank you.
Karen: thank you.
(Tia gets things back on solid ground.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: well, well, well, well, even I was caught with my undies down.
Russ: well you did pull them up I hope.
Tia: yes I did.
Russ: good girl.
Tia: I didn't know that's what he had of his mind, otherwise I would've warned you guys.
Tia: come in closer, you're way out there. Come on, all the way in, all the way in.
Karen: Tia, how's 98.4 a temperature?
Tia: 96.7 is normal.
Karen: 96.7 is normal, hmm.
Tia: well normal for me anyway.
Karen: okay, for Ashtar as well?
Tia: I don't know what his normal temperature is.
Karen: but you said he was running a fever?
Tia: no, the host was running a fever.
Karen: oh, you're running a fever?
Russ: Mark's running a fever.
Tia: no, I'm not running a fever.
Karen: oh, Mark's running a fever.
Tia: I'm the ring mistress, I'm the ring mistress. I'm not the host, the host is down there.
Karen: oh, and he's running a fever?
Tia: okay, temperature's also going down in his body. Okay, well as I said, now's my time for my dialogue and it was brought to my attention the other day, Saturday I believe, that Mark was listening to somebody that repeated nearly word for word what I said. I was shocked, I was also honored. Somebody's been reading my notes, giving out the information. Now, let us go on a free-for-all question time.
Russ: what was the notes that you're referring to?
Tia: on my dissertation on stock market activities and the fact that individuals are not prepared and are living in a glory and so on. Pretty much like that.
Russ: the stuff I put on the webpage?
Tia: no it's the one that I gave about a month ago.
Russ: why don't I remember that?
Karen: no, because the one you gave last week mentioned it and then all of a sudden it came up like three days after you mentioned it on the radio.
Tia: uh-huh and then I also gave another dissertation.
Russ: oh, it's a radio program.
Russ: oh, okay. I'm catching up here.
Tia: one of your primitive communication mediums.
Karen: he's been working too hard.
Tia: yes, we'll address that later as well. Okay, are we all going to just sit here and look around at each other?
Karen: no I haven't looked to the left yet, can I? No......
John: how you doing?
Russ: all right, so basically he gave some good indicators to keep an eye open for.
Russ: I'm not familiar with the Russell 600 or 400, I should be.
Karen: what is the Russell six or whatever it was?
Karen: thank you 2000.
Tia: it's a market indicator. It's like the Dow and the NASDAQ.
Russ: I don't see that on CNBC.
Tia: no you won't.
Russ: so you have to look in the Wall Street Journal or something?
Tia: uh-huh or on the Internet.
Karen: so Ashtar was mentioning that this is all a....or it's mainly.....if it's not battle in arms and it's all spiritual and mental.....
Tia: no he never said that.
Karen: oh he didn't say all..
Tia: no he implied that there will be a lot of spiritual growth, spiritual awareness. He also did not say that there wouldn't be any physical confrontation.
Karen: so either which way we have to be prepared for both.
Tia: correct or as far as I see it. I mean Ashtar can be very informative but yet you have to read what he's saying or not saying or what he's implying. So it's hard to sometimes understand what he's actually saying without going back over and listening to what he said.
Karen: so it's actually like reading between the lines.
Russ: hmmm okay. Yeah this looks pretty interesting, I haven't got a chance to forward it to Mark yet but this looks like a really good information channel, sort of like Spirit Chat but devoted toward Ashtar Command.
Russ: it's probably new and just got started. You know I asked him, it doesn't give the URL address so I'm not sure. It's an IRC chat channel and I've got to figure out how to do IRC, I don't have that yet. So I just sent him back a thing saying please give me a URL I can work with.
Russ: okay, all right now as far as building up groups, I didn't quite understand that part.
Tia: well you have this group.
Russ: now he's talking about individual groups from this.
Tia: uh-huh. well Johnny has a very important role to play.
Karen: he's got to start his own over in New York.
Tia: uh-huh. Don't look so surprised Johnny, you'll find a channeler over there or you may open up to channeling.
John: oh yeah, I'm not surprised at all.
John: yeah, how Ashtar refers to my family as "the hole in the wall gang".
Tia: ahh that's Omal.
John: oh that's Omal, that's right.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah.
John: but yeah I'd like to generate some interest and share some information and see if we can get a group going back there.
Tia: uh-huh. You have the potential to spread a lot of information over a wide area.
Russ: so destiny.
Tia: yeah, destiny. And Ashtar put it much, much better than I could and much more eloquently that you have a very important role as does Russ on spreading the information. A way to describe it is, I've been doing some research on the fall of the Roman Empire and how the information was squirreled away in monasteries and so on that kept the light burning in small, little communities and that's how I see that both of you or all three of you there including Mark which makes four have to do. The group may or may not get split up because of certain things happening but it is necessary to bring people around you that are of like mind. As Ashtar put it, creating meta-concert groups outside of this group. You have four people present now that could do a meta-concert. If Skip was present with Judy, that would bring it up to six people, small meta-concert but it works. But groups of six scattered all over the place is 24 individuals that can be interchanged with other groups. Let us say that you bring your six friends with you on a trip to here for whatever reason, they can fit automatically into the meta-concert. Or if a group from here is in New York, then they can fit into your group automatically. Interchangeable pieces like circuitry boards from computers. Whether it is a primitive typewriter or a overgrown Etch-a-Sketch, the keyboard or the electronical components for each thing are interchangeable and can work together.
Karen: okay now Tia?
Karen: can these people that we have in our groups, they can't have any doubts whatsoever then, they can't have any denial that this is impossible or...?
Tia: self-doubt is a useful tool.
Karen: I'm talking about self-doubt in their powers or their gifts.
Tia: it's a useful tool, it stops people from getting delusional. The fact that they can do anything that they want."Okay, let's pick this house up and move it." I can't do that. Maybe a meta-concert from up here could do that but down in the third dimension? Unless you have some really powerful PK heads kicking around you can't do it. Even if you have as many PK people on your planet that you can, you still wouldn't to be able to pick up the house and move it. There was an incident in the late '60's where several thousand people got together and decided to pick up a five sided building and shake all the bad bogeyman out of it. And they tried and they tried and they tried and it didn't even budge and certainly no bogeyman fell out of it.
Karen: oh bogeyman don't fall.
Tia: figure of speech.
Russ: but the potential is there.
Tia: uh-huh. I don't see....
Russ: in the future for other things besides PK anyway.
Tia: correct but the importance of individual groups dotted throughout your country is a very useful tool. There is a young lady in a far-off land where it's going into autumn now that I wish we could have had present also for meta-concerts and so on. There is a young lady down in San Diego that would be useful to have for meta-concerts. Another one in Arizona, another one in Texas and all the individuals would have been ideal to have together for a season of working on meta-concerts. Unfortunately it's too late. Project for Mark and myself and Kiri. Write up a "how to meta-concert". All the rules and regulations in a newsletter form to be sent out like his "how to astral travel".
Russ: well we've got some stuff on it already through Omal.
Russ: on the net.
Tia: yes, we can work with that in the same way that Mark did the work last time of cribbing a whole load of information but a little bit simplified in its explanation and not so long-winded. You don't want to sit there and have a book this thick on how to meta-concert.
Russ: actually, it might be handy to take a trip out Sedona way.
Tia: maybe, that's up to you guys to decide, I can't tell you what or what not to do.
Russ: of course.
Tia: anyway, let me put on the next person as Karen has a limited time.
(She says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Omal follows up after Tia.)
John: I'm going run down and get a soda, should I put a pot of tea on?
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: greetings Omal.
Karen: hello Omal.
Omal: greetings Johnny, greetings Karen, greetings Russ, live long and prosper. Let us get down to business. I know my voice sounds lighter than normal.
Russ: you're trying to sound different from Omal...or Ashtar.
Omal: I was about to say, I am Omal, I am trying to sound a little different than the lightness that Ashtar was in tonight. He was in a light mood is a best way to describe it.
Karen: is that good?
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: it is neither good nor bad.
Karen: I see.
Omal: it is a neutral stance.
Russ: it's better then we heard last time he was here so....
Omal: oh most certainly.
Russ: we're quite happy with lightness.
Omal: yes but last time he was present, it was "you have done wrong. You are not keeping your part of the deal. You are not working hard enough" it was not a nice sight to see. Fortunately I did not get reprimanded for my easing off on you guys.
Russ: well you haven't really eased off, you let us learn at our own particular speed which is exactly what Ashtar would recommend anyway.
Omal: the prior meeting to that one was where I received as you would put it, a reaming without Vaseline.
Russ: why? He gave us good marks on that one.
Omal: yes but I had eased up and it had descended into mischievous fun for certain individuals up here.
Russ: ahh, well don't ease up, just keep us keep us on our track.
Omal: feather fights and water fights and panty fights and so on.
Russ: oh those, oh I remember yeah.
Russ: that reaming.
Russ: oh okay, yeah that was a reaming.
Russ: okay. You're a busy guy so tonight we're working on preparations for the future.
Russ: okay. Now one of the main preparations as he was saying, is spreading the word.
Russ: okay, now we are going and getting into that on the Internet and as I mentioned to Tia, maybe a good idea would be to make some runs to other places so...
Russ: that's something to look into and do some possible research.
Omal: I was informed that a discussion on bringing various groups and individuals together for a channeling debate.
Omal: we have confirmation that Ashtar would be able to make himself available for such a session or, Ashtar if he is unavailable, has put in a request to a higher authority and hopefully we will have an answer back on that soon.
Russ: well I have got the place lined up.
Omal: that will be with that outside of the higher authority's ten year cycle. (The chance of Sananda visiting normally was only once every ten years.)
Russ: that will be a special visit.
Russ: so we are to proceed with that so I can start contacting some folks and start putting some feelers out?
Russ: okay, that's what I was waiting for.
Karen: how soon is this supposed to happen?
Russ: well it depends on the feelers I put out and who I talk to.
Omal: I think Karen was referring more to the upcoming events.
Omal: that we cannot give out that kind of information at this time. As you are aware you are on Defcon 2 which is the one before things happen. Now as for groups expanding outside of the area, that is a useful tool also that the connections that will be made outside of that group will help individuals from this group to grow as well. After all, does not the teacher learn from the pupil?
Karen: that's right.
Russ: Omal, question for you. You heard what I mentioned to Ashtar about this group that we're being asked to join here.
Russ: it's working with a real-time discussions and chats and everything with all light angelic beings, lightworkers and star seeds and all that.
Russ: people who are working with Ashtar Command and beyond that.
Russ: well, any contacts I make there might be ideal if they're
close enough to make a road trips to talk to them in person.
Russ: and starting groups in those areas where those people are working.
Omal: uh-huh. It is likely that those areas and groups will have things already present. Yes feline, you have a question?
Karen: I think he wants to know if he can use his face next to you to lay down.
Omal: I think that is self-evident that he has his mind made up. But, let us get back to the issue at hand and not the feline's request for petting.
Karen: so are we still going to collect as much rice and starches and stuff like that and....?
Omal: I think that would be necessary even if it does not get to the stage where food become scarce, it will certainly save on budgeting later on.
Karen: what about.....sorry.
Omal: can you move the feline if he's....
Karen: the purring's like right on my....
Russ: excuse me.
Karen: what about water supply because even if it's runoff from the mountains, if something happens to that shouldn't we get bottled water and...
Omal: yes, water purifiers, water tablets and so on. Dehydrated water is a useful tool to have, all's you have to do is just add water.
Karen: oh very good. Is everybody in that mood today?
Omal: I have centuries worth of humorous comments and jokes.
Karen: so we can also use plants and everything else that gives off water as well right?
Omal: but you have to careful, some substances that come off of certain plants can have an entertaining effect. Certain cactus' with the water that comes off of them and if left unattended, can certainly have some very "fun" effects for the individuals watching from outside.
Omal: if you are referring to cactus', there is one that you should avoid at all costs. It is the San Juan cactus that the juices and the roots have, I know Russ will enjoy this and so will Johnny, a psychedelic effect on one's perception of perceiving things.
Russ: where do we get some?
Karen: I could prove just........I'm kidding.
Omal: they are rare. You may try the mesas of the Four Corners and further down into New Mexico and down on into Mexico itself.
Karen: that is if we get that far.
Omal: yes but I am not recommending them. I am just remembering of a time bygone. But, using substances for a spiritual thing, it is necessary to make it a special event and occurrence. For example, peyote is used in religious ceremonies.
Omal: alcohol is used in religious ceremonies.
Omal: as is marijuana and other substances such as cocoa. If you wish to continue using those substances in the future when they become scarce, it is necessary to make a religious ritual out to them as was done in the past to increase the significant powers involved.
Russ: make them into a learning experience not just a fun experience.
Omal: you can do both.
Omal: any more questions?
Karen: just one on astral traveling.
Karen: I've been asking Mark and everybody else, if you can't astral travel......I mean I've got this problem of just leaving myself wanting to. I mean I'm normally getting summoned out of here.
Karen: and I haven't the slightest clue by who.
Karen: but I'm just wondering if there was any chance to where I could probably go by myself instead of being summoned?
Omal: yes there is always that possibility that you could do it yourself. I do astral travel but it would better to ask somebody that is more used to using astral travel as a tool. Johnny, do you have a question?
John: I'm getting ready for a road trip.
John: my dad's flying out and we're going to be taking my old, old truck cross country.
John: and yeah I'm really looking forward to seeing my family and getting back there and sharing with this information.
Omal: yes, with "the hole in the wall gang".
John: yes, "the hole in the wall gang" yes.
Omal: question, who is Butch Cassidy and who will be Sundance?
John: oh that's hard to say. I'll probably be Butch and my brother Scott would be Sundance.
Omal: whatever you do, do not go down to Bolivia for some fun and increasing your wealth but back to your question.
John: oh, I was just curious about the road trip you know.
John: hopefully it will go off without any major events. I just got the travel maps from the AAA and we've got a route worked out and I'm just hoping that the trip goes quite well.
Omal: yes I do not foresee any serious problems. It may be nice to carry extra water, engine coolant may come in handy.
Karen: transmission fluid.
Omal: yes transmission fluid, but you are obviously aware of all the necessary extras to carry. An extra bit of cash to buy stickers from each state to decorate your vehicle so you can say "yes, I've been here, I've been there" and so on.
Karen: been here, done that.
John: well that's one problem I do have is a pretty limited cash flow. I mean I'll have enough to get across country with my what my father's bringing but yeah but my cash flow situation is...
Omal: is tight.
John: very tight at this point.
Omal: just use a lot of as Tia puts it to wear some of her swimsuits, willpower. Okay.
Karen: one more question.
Karen: how many people should there be in each individual group more or less?
Omal: enough for a meta-concert which would involve an executive, conductor, primary and secondary, preferably two in the secondary. So that would be 5 to 6 individuals.
Karen: so if you have seven, you've got enough?
Omal: correct. Russ?
Russ: nothing yet.
Omal: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Karen: thank you.
John: thank you very much
Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back. One to beam up.
(Tia returns as Ring Mistress.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Karen: hello again.
Tia: hello, I'm back. Okay, any more questions for me? Willpower indeed...huh.
Karen: one of these days, I'd like to meet Athena.
Tia: oh, we'll see if we can set up for a channeling session. She is the most talkative out of my Cubs.
Russ: well she's not going to be quite as talkative as Leonedies of course but...
Tia: no, no. That's a totally different league and ballgame and we may have him present for the next channeling session if he behaves himself and stops disemboweling and taking toys to pieces.
Karen: you've got to do something with them.
John: is this comet Beetlebob, is that going to have any profound affect on this planet?
Tia: spiritually, it may have some. The comet Hale-Bopp is...
John: Hale-Bopp excuse me.
Tia: Beetlebob. Actually I prefer that name, sounds good, Beetlebob. There is a lot to watch for, it's going to be spectacular and you're going to be in some nice places to watch it from so you know it will be fun for you. Any more questions?
Tia: who took my buddy away?
Karen: he was purring.
John: he was purring into the microphone.
Tia: yes I heard okay, let me put on the next individual.
(Karra quickly wraps up side one.)
Karra: hello, greetings.
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. Okay, let me see, do you have any questions?
Russ: question for you about predictions.
Russ: and the ability to foresee events in the near future.
Russ: now Karen here is able to see stuff apparently in the far future.
Karra: well the far future is a little tricky. It's all reliant on fields of probability. Tia's the one that deals with probabilities and predictions but from what she said as she is cleaning her claws off is that predicting is difficult. Is the incident going to occur in six weeks, six months or six years? You're not too sure on what's going to happen. You use information that is around you and project it into the future so people may appear.....
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Karra: going to be now or much later using six years as just a number. It could be 60 years for all's you know.
Karra: but you know looking into the future it is difficult. With our history if I get this right, if I don't I'll probably get corrected. You know our life expectancy, people are seeing things of events that were going to happen and in fact did when they were in their early 20s to a 100 years old. And then it didn't happen for another seven to eight hundred years but those events did happen and the scale depends on the life expectancy of the individuals. Sometimes it is longer than the life expectancy of the individuals. For example, Mother Shipton, Nostradamus, the writer of the Revelations and so on. All these things are projections over a long period of time that don't involve the individual. Those can be quite suspect.
Karra: and I got it pretty close to the mark.
Karen: but I.....
Russ: well what I'm working.......oh go ahead.
Karen: no well what I was going to say, mine aren't that far in the future though. Everything I've seen is normally taking place within three months.
Karra: sometimes it does happen on a short scale but sometimes there are events that happen on much wider, longer-term scale. It's difficult to really project out. Tia's the expert on these matters.
Russ: okay well with the future I'm talking about is within hours, minutes, seconds.
Karra: those are short-term predictions, things that are easy to perceive.
Russ: but what I'm thinking is, is the human nature yourself of course included, see things as they are going to be in the short term even though maybe you haven't consciously projected it but you feel like that that's going to happen and it feels like okay, let's do this because it's good?
Karra: that is taking external information and projecting it into a format that works well with the future.
Russ: okay and then is that something that's like genetic code kind of thing?
Karra: no, it is more along the lines of being very perceptive and using the external data to be analyzed and coming up with the correct information.
Russ: okay so for example, when I'm working with Johnny on this you know latest little problems we had....
Russ: I personally didn't foresee the future in this or anything but just went on gut instinct that this is what I was supposed to do and then according to Ashtar, this is something him and I have already worked out that this works well for the future.
Russ: so even though it's not something I would've wanted to do, it just felt like I had to do at the time and.....
Russ: so the question is, is this guides, is this my own superego controlling my decisions on this due to the fact that it knows when I made the agreement with Johnny so long ago?
Karra: you would be best to talk to our Sirian religious expert if she ever gets back with the Band-Aids and stuff.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Karen: now I mean that's almost like more or less I mean his analogy or what he was trying to say, is that like the same thing to where why I left my ex?
Karra: it's possible, yes. That there's....
Karen: because I have been trying to leave him to three years and......
Karra: yes, things that were planned in the past in as Ashtar put it, the waiting period, tend to come to fruition later on and hold on one second, I've....... tell you what, let me hop out, and I've got to take care of some personal....
Russ: how could she get you so you need to put Band-Aids on?
Karen: I said I have another question for you, are you coming back?
Karra: okay, ask me the question.
Karen: since you're the healer up on the base and I'm more or less a healer period......I'm going to smack you. (Ed: talking to me.)
Russ: she's bleeding all over the place right now.
Karen: she basically asked for it. If there is a problem that I need to have or.......say something's wrong with me and I need some help, is there any way of finding out if there's other ways of dealing with the problem instead of just going to the doctor?
Karra: yes there is of course myself who has cured things but relating to lumps and cysts and so on.
Karen: you're reading my mind?
Karra: the most powerful place to look is here.
Karra: I can help direct and focus that energy. Russ, dig out those tapes "the healing of Carrie". They will help.
Karra: okay. Now I've got to hop out as and there may be a little delay. See you guys later.
Russ: bye love.
Karen: bye Karra.
(Tia returns after savaging Karra accidentally.)
Russ: you ought to be.
Tia: hey, she provoked me.
Russ: oh please, you have no control over those things.
Tia: what things?
Russ: that (makes slashing noises.)
Tia: caught her on the arm and then she made another comment and from where I was sitting....
Russ: caught her on the pass, yeah I know.
Tia: uh-huh, actually the side of her leg, down through here. Sliced through her toga, right through and it's actually quite a bit of a mess. I didn't realize I dug in that deep. But it's fatty tissue anyway.
Russ: it's not very fat.
Tia: yes I know.
Russ: well now that you're through disemboweling people.
Tia: hey, I never disemboweled anybody, you want to come closer and I'll show you disemboweling?
Karen: oh I want to see.
Tia: I'm putting on the last speaker at this point. We have no other speakers at present.
(Kiri gets on next.)
Russ: the Sirian religious expert.
Kiri: oh yes, me? Cool.
Russ: well you were mentioned.
Kiri: oh I was?
Kiri: do I get a OBE?
Kiri: out of body's efforts. Okay, what do you want to know?
Karen: who's first?
Russ: concerning working with decisions that are made due to agreements that are made during the waiting period, are those controlled by the superego who knows the agreements that were made and influence the decisions that are then come about?
Kiri: partly yes. There are other factors that come into play such as as you stated when you were asking guides, they also play a part. Also there is a little bit like the cascade effect. Remember we discussed the cascade effect a while ago?
Kiri: okay certain key events are programmed into the individual in the waiting period not only by the superego but by external outside influences. The reaction that is generated by this can be kind of automatic.
Russ: is this a sixth dimensional kind of understanding?
Kiri: pretty much so yeah, that certain events are necessary to happen and the final lesson is forgiving what happened during those events and being able to maintain friendships and to be able to visit each other like in the past and behave as if those events did not happen.
Russ: so you have a personal example of that could share with us perhaps?
Kiri: not really, only a story that my grandmother told me about my mother a long time ago.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: but it's something I don't want to go into at this time.
Russ: it's bad?
Kiri: uh-huh because I'm still trying to come to terms with that but that in itself could be an example of forgiving.
Kiri: you know the departure at a premature age of mother.
Russ: well with the reappearance of mother. (Ed: Miranda, daughter of Alana and myself.)
Kiri: that is something that will have to be addressed later when she gets her full memories.
Russ: correct, 21 years from now.
Russ: 20, yeah 19 years to go.
Kiri: uh-huh, 19 years to go and a long time.
John: how is mother doing?
Kiri: oh grandmother?
Kiri: she's doing fine. She's well and happy. Sarah's still staying in her room and they spend a lot of time talking. Sarah's out of a lot of her pain but unfortunately she has what we call now accelerated decrepity.
Karen: I've got a question.
Karen: like I was mentioning on the astral traveling being taken involuntarily.
Karen: now are certain key aspects happening in my life to or where they are doing this?
Kiri: I think that would be something that you alone can decide and understand. I'm not able to say that yes you did, no you didn't. That takes somebody of much higher dimensional awareness than myself and unfortunately the person that is ideally suited to do that has left. Omal is still hovering around and keeping us in line or trying to anyway. Actually he's helping put on a Band-Aid at the moment. But.......
Russ: hmm so, going back over past life experiences.......
Russ: one can see something of the relationship between the waiting period agreements and the decisions made later.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes there are. They become self-evident after-the-fact. The fact that Ashtar laid what was going on very much on the ground and said okay, this is how it is and he hinted at the necessary reaffirming of friendship.
Russ: now something a little off the line from this but a question on it, how do tarot cards figure into the equation here?
Kiri: into predicting the future?
Russ: yeah I mean is there something with the guides, the superego, the agreements, the decisions and all that?
Kiri: it is a combination but tarot cards are also the tapping in of the reader into the matrix of the subconscious mind. The mind that you can't read. Getting back to Sarah and her thing, she's picked out the lining for her return box and also has it pretty much finished. Got some interesting carvings from the pictures I've seen on the outside.
Russ: hmmm. So she'll going to be going on to a sixth dimensional existence or a third dimensional do you think? She spent a lot of time in sixth dimension though....
Kiri: yes, maybe sixth dimensional, I hope so.
Russ: I do too.
Kiri: uh-huh. After what she's been through, she could probably...
Russ: she earned it.
Kiri: earned it.
Russ: but only she can make the decision.
Kiri: that's correct. Only she knows if it's right for her or not but I've never seen her since we've had her up on the base and then when we took her to Sirius, I've never seen her so happy. But she has told me that she knows when her time is and she has told me that she is going to let me know like a week in advance so I can go and be with her.
Kiri: uh-huh. At the moment she looks like she's about 45 but she'll always be a young 20-year-old to me. What was that? (A loud noise happens.)
Karen: just playing with my box.
Russ: I just closed it.
Karen: it's called a caboodle.
Kiri: oh okay.
Russ: you could put a kitten in it.
Karen: no you don't.
Russ: it would be a kitten caboodle.
Kiri: think yourself lucky that Tia's not around.
Karen: that was good, I couldn't hold back.
Kiri: okay we get everybody out of the way, we don't have anybody pounding on the door this week. Yes?
Russ: how is she doing?
Kiri: she's doing fine. We've got about how many more minutes? Turned over at about 45.
Russ: we've got at least 10 minutes sitting there.
Kiri: yeah, we can use that up in idle chitchat.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: or I can put on the Tia monster.
Russ: well what is Lyka's condition now? Is she back to.......
Kiri: she's over the hump.
Kiri: uh-huh. I mean the orgy of last week....was it last week or the week before?
Russ: last week.
Kiri: yeah last week did help tremendously.
Russ: last Tuesday night.
Kiri: to get her to come down the other side. The fact that she's had to have that happen once more but it didn't take as long to get the testosterone out of her system.
Russ: she's probably starting to enjoy it now.
Kiri: yes she is actually.
Kiri: but she had some of her platoon mates do it to her which makes me think that she was enjoying it tremendously.
Russ: she probably encouraged it.
Kiri: uh-huh and thing they did was attack her with feathers beforehand, all very kinky. You would've enjoyed it Johnny. Eight young ladies with feathers tickling the hell out of one individual that was handcuffed and chained by the feet.
John: whew, whew that gives me shivers just thinking about it.
Kiri: I only heard about it unfortunately, they didn't invite me.
Russ: well you didn't get invited to the last one.
Kiri: true, true. I think we ought to do it to her once more.
Russ: oh at least.
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh. Suggestion from Tia.......
Kiri: who's going to be back on in a few.
Kiri: about after the channeling session that the three of you sit down, have a cup of tea and have a bull shitting session.
Kiri: though she's apologizing to Karra at the moment profusely. It's actually funny to watch.
Russ: I can imagine.
Kiri: uh-huh. She's kissing her shoulder and her tush.
Kiri: see you guys later.
Russ: bye Kiri.
John: see you later, thank you.
(Tia's back to finish up side two.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi again in Durondedunn.)
John: anyone ready for a cup of tea?
Tia: I'd love a cup of tea.
John: I thought so. I made you a cup of Earl Grey too.
Tia: (blows raspberries at him.)
John: do you want some, Earl Grey?
Russ: yeah, sounds delicious.
Tia: uh-huh. I think that was a great idea of mine.
Russ: road trip.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes but you know it's important to keep in communication. You know the fact that everybody's been assembled here by pre-destiny and past lives to work together.
Russ: yeah I don't doubt.
Tia: uh-huh. What else? Karra did her nudist thing for Lyka in the tent before the race.
Russ: what nudist thing?
Tia: oh she stripped down.
Tia: before the race and sort of like "you get down here first and when you're ready, this is the gift". It's probably why she hammered down there. Also she had a friend with her that kind of got semi involved. Karra agreed so the two gold and silver medalist's get what they want.
Russ: umm good.
Russ: you owe me an apology.
Tia: for what?
Russ: a sympathetic pain.
Tia: that was unintentional, if she hadn't made those comments. (Ed: Didn't make it onto the tape.)
Russ: I was here okay?
Tia: if she hadn't made those comments.
Russ: oh well yeah, I didn't make the comments did I? I get the pain. Don't I get an apology too?
Tia: well you shouldn't be so close. (Sticks her tongue out at me.)
Russ: excuse me, twin soul.
Tia: hey, did you get the kisses?
Russ: no, I didn't get the kisses either. So what's up with this huh?
Russ: I'm not giving anything out of it except the pain. I deserve something darling.
Tia: do you think I should apologize? After all he was in on the cat comments as well as you guys.
Russ: I did not say a word about the cats okay.
Tia: hey kitten caboodle.
Russ: excuse me, that was not anything that was derogatory on any cats. Kitten caboodle is a very common expression down here.
Tia: no you said put the cat in the box.
Russ: yeah, taking them down to go put them at the store. You need a box to put them in. (A recent litter of kittens had been born.)
John: and kitten caboodle is actually a brand of cat food.
Tia: uh-hmm, that's what Joey eats. (Mark's cat.) Sorry. (Blows raspberries.)
Russ: thank you, apology accepted.
John: I mean my comments about the cats were quite rude but I don't think Russ was really of line.
Tia: uh-huh but getting to cats, cats are little minds all my planet. (Her third dimensional home world of Durondedunn.) They're kind of spiritual beings so we tend to look after them and the fact that we can communicate, it's like being able to communicate with another animal on your planet with ease. And to us, because we can communicate and talk to them, even though it's....
John: is it a verbal communication or a telepathic communication?
John: it is a verbal communication.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. It's......
Russ: that makes them sentient.
Tia: uh-huh, so we call them little minds and we take care of little minds like the reason why I like you guys so much apart from the fact that we've all worked together in the past and Mark's my triple soul, is the fact that you have the same way of reacting to cats as we do on our home planet. I would almost say that you are the nearest earthlings that would be the equivalent to Durondedunn's on my planet.
Russ: there are people who react a lot better than we do.
Tia: yes they are that I know and I only a few of yours too.
Russ: oh, that's true.
Tia: but cats are very spiritual animals and something that is important to our spiritual growth. Cats are little minds, they're little us' as we were millions and millions of years ago. They are a reflection of that apart from their communicating capable and they're sentient of course. They're spiritual animals at our shrines and temples and monasteries there are lots of cats and hang out and they are part of the ritual hunts that we do that you will have six or seven priestesses and the high priestess go off on a hunt and you'll have probably twice as many cats that come along and the cats will watch and participate and get smaller game. For example, they may bring down something like a "sheedar".
John: a what?
Tia: it's kind of.....
Russ: a deer like animal.
Russ: I thought that's what it was the last time we talked about it?
Tia: no, a sheedar is different from what we talked about last time. That was a "hannah", which a deer like animal.
Russ: oh that's right.
Tia: a sheedar is..........the best way to describe it is from what I've seen, a bigger version of your rabbits.
John: oh okay.
Tia: kind of like four times the size of your hares, jackrabbits as you call them.
Russ: that's a big bunny.
Tia: uh-huh. And they'll bring down one or they may bring down yeah eight or nine of them and they will bring them to the monastery themselves. Each one carrying this animal that's about the size they are between their legs. Drag them all the way back to the base. They will feast on maybe two or three of them and the rest, the skins are always cut off, the skins are dried and so are the heads and the heads are kept for spiritual purposes. The fur is used for clothing and so on and the flesh is used to eat, the bones are used as tools for religious ceremonies and so on and the cats will eat maybe two, three of them or they'll go out and hunt more, it depends on how many there are. And they understand as well as we understand the necessary to maintain the balance.
Tia: but they're big rabbits. Huge beautiful ears. They're great for tickling with as well.
John: and I take it....
(A phone rings.)
Tia: let it ring.
John: there's several varieties of feline species.
John: right from what we call our domesticated cat right up through lions and tigers.....
John: and larger species?
Tia: no. The biggest that they go is about the size of pumas.
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: uh-huh. Nothing bigger than that because we are the bigger versions.
John: I see.
Tia: uh-huh and we don't have the manes and the tails or anything but that's what we are descended from. If your planet was on the same evolutionary scale as ours, as your gorillas and chimpanzees and so on are your relatives, so are the cats and the puma equivalent and the tigers. The tigers and lions are the missing......well not the missing branch but the fossil branch.
Tia: uh-huh, tape's about ready to end as well. So....
Russ: it's unusual to hear about another planet and its evolution. It's almost like a science fiction except it's science fact.
Tia: yeah, you could say that. Your planet's science-fiction to me anyway. Well not so much science fiction as.......
Russ: I mean you've seen this planet, you're seeing this planet. Now we on the other hand have nothing but...........
Tia: stories of.
Russ: stories right.
Tia: stories of Durondedunn.
Russ: Mark has seen it but that's different.
Tia: uh-huh. Oh the great houses and the park lands and the forests. Actually it's something I really do miss is climbing around in trees in the buff. Used to love doing that as a little girl. You know we don't have so much of a clothes taboo as you guys do.
Russ: probably warmer weather too.
Tia: yeah, down in the low lands but up in the mountains they wear fur more than they wear clothing. But it's done nicely, hair-like jackets and so on.
John: how about the relationship of water to land, is it similar like our planet it's about three quarters water to about one quarter land?
Tia: ours is a little less. I should say it would be, what's it be? About 3/16 which is just under a quarter.....no it would be a little bit more than 3/16. Something like about 7/32 is about the equivalent. So it's just under a quarter.
John: so you actually have more water on your planet then we do on ours?
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. And there are people like myself that don't like water. I don't like big open bodies of water. Swimming in rivers is fine to a certain extent. Swimming in pools and ponds, that's okay to a certain extent, I don't personally enjoy it. There are other people on my planet that almost live in the water.
Russ: Dolphin Lake does not entice you I take it?
Tia: no, no. I'm the person that sits in the middle the boat when going boating. Don't you remember that story that Mark told you?
Russ: I remember.
Tia: uh-huh, I'm the person that holds on for dear life. I wear my life vest, I wear flotation devices as much as possible.
Russ: you're surrounded by dolphins.
Russ: well you'd never drown..
John: do you swim?
Tia: yes, but not very well.
John: so you're not real comfortable when in big bodies of water?
Tia: uh-huh, I will go to the swimming pool from time to time, preferably not when the hairy guys are around. (The Wookies on the base.)
Tia: I will go swimming, I won't swim on my own. I prefer to have Mark there or Kiri or Alana or Lyka. I'm not a strong swimmer. I will dive in, I don't like being underwater for any length of time. You'll never get me in Lake Dolphin in a wetsuit diving down to great depths like Alana does which she can't do at the moment.
Russ: no, because of her pregnancy?
Russ: it can't be that dangerous for her.
Tia: change of pressure and stuff.
Russ: but she's only 3 1/2 weeks old.
John: but that could do damage to the fetus correct?
Tia: correct, correct, if she goes deep. Don't forget, you go down like two hundred feet, you've got two atmospheres around your body.
Russ: that's true.
Tia: you don't want the cavity in the womb being crushed.
Tia: so she's only allowed to go down 25 feet now and the dolphins cooperate apparently.
Tia: okay, next week we may have Leonedies.
Tia: that's all I can project at this time, we may have Lyka, we may. Depends on her testosterone.....
Russ: I'll try not to antagonize her this time.
John: is Leonedies been behaving himself?
Tia: well there it does depend on how well he does behave himself. The comment about him dissecting and disemboweling toys is true. The fact that he almost had his arm opened and up by one of my girls is a part explanation. Her favorite doll, totally dissected.
Russ: he's taking his life in his hands at that point.
John: now with all your technology, isn't there some toys that you could come up with that are specifically designed for him to disembowel?
Tia: yes there are, there are and he does have them. But the fact is that the inquiring mind that you can't have all the toys like that. Besides, my girls, they don't like those kind of toys that can be taken to pieces. They like nice, soft, fluffy toys. They like lifelike dolls that have all the stiffness and everything in the joints. And the fact that he disemboweled and took it down almost to a molecular level, the only thing that was left was strawberry blonde hair and a pile of ashes and he wouldn't put it back together.
John: but he did have the capability if he chose to.
Tia: if he understands how to do it.
Tia: I don't know if he does understand how to do it. At the moment he is going through the moral problem of what is true.
Russ: poor guy.
Russ: better him than me.
Tia: he will not say if his comments are true or not true or if he wishes and desires to do so.
Russ: he'll learn.
Tia: yes, hopefully he'll learn. Okay well the tape's pretty much over, we've got probably a minute or two.
Russ: we can cut it close, we can cut it off short.
Tia: no, no, no, no. We want to use that. There's nothing worse than having a blank piece of tape at the end. Don't you agree Johnny?
John: I agree.
Tia: especially as this is an important tape. Now let's see, what could the name be for this tape? Ashtar meets Karen?
Tia: or let me see, farewell and welcome? Or welcome and farewell.
Tia: or Ashtar and....
Russ: we still have one more with Johnny left.
Tia: yes, hopefully, hopefully. It depends what happens if Mark is fully recovered from his goof up.
Russ: what goof up?
Tia: oh he goofed.
John: oh he messed up bad coming back from Hades Base last night.
Russ: what'd he do? This is the first I've heard of it. Is this because he was throwing up?
Tia: that was an end result.
John: he made an error in judgment when he came back. He wasn't totally focused from the way he explained it to me and.......
Tia: you see, Johnny knows more than I do. All's I know is that he goofed up and when I popped into his head I yelped for the simple reason that I felt the pain. And I did not know until he mentioned that he was feeling much better and his headache was going and I go "oh, you had a headache?" And he goes "yeah I am, my stomach's feeling better." And it's sort of like, "your stomach?" And he's sort of like "nothing happened." And it's sort of like "why was your stomach upset?"
John: he was.....when he heard you yelp, he knew he was in serious problems or the potential for.......
THE TAPE ENDS
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