ASHTAR IN THE HOUSE 03/19/97
Archivist Notes: For those keeping track,
this session comes a week after this March's podcast
called "Cycles and Superegos so some of the references
will relate back to that channeling session.
Tia gets side one off on a light mood with
a quick joke just before Ashtar prepares us for a
future much more bleak than the one we ended with in
this reality. That preparation included individual
groups built from the 3rd dimensional guests attending
the channeling sessions that gather as larger groups
later on. Tia took the concept a little further by
using the Roman Empire as an example of smaller groups
keeping the information alive. Omal also touched on
groups and reminded us how an economic crash could
lead to having to make certain substances sacred.
Side two sees Karra answering questions
about predictions and how sometimes with Sirians it
might be hundreds of years down the road before they
may see it come about. She also works on projections
made in various time frames. Kiri goes next as we
learn about the agreements made in the waiting time
between lives with other people and the forces at play
to make them come about. Tia completes this very
informative session with a rare look at life back on
her home planet of Durondedunn and the ritual hunts
involving priestesses and the cats hanging around the
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(Tia gets things started with a little humor.)
Tia: okay, before we start, a quick joke. Okay, there's this
fish swimming around in a lake, salmon actually and it looks
up and it spots a fly and it thinks to itself, "if that fly
comes down a little bit lower I can jump up and eat the
fly." There's a bear standing on the bank or in the bushes
above the pond and he looks down and goes, "hmmm, if that
fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, I'm going
to jump out and I'm going to grab that fish." Up on a hill
behind a tree overlooking the pond is a hunter with his
rifle and he sees the bear down there and he goes, "hmmm, if
that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, the
bear's going to jump out and I'm going to shoot that bear.
Sitting about 5 feet behind him under a whole load of grass
is a mouse and the mouse looks over and he goes, "hmmm, if
that fly drops down lower the fish is going to jump up, the
bear's going to jump out, the hunter's going to jump up,
going to shoot that bear and the sandwich in his pocket is
going to fall out onto the ground and I've got myself
lunch." Behind the mouse sitting on a branch looking down is
a cat and the cat looks around and he goes, "hmmm, if that
fly drops down lower, the fish is going to jump up, the
bear's going to jump out, the hunter's going to jump up,
take a shot, kill the bear and the sandwich is going to fall
out and the mouse is going to charge, eat the sandwich and
I'm going to have that mouse for dinner. All of a sudden,
the fly drops down lower, the fish jumps up, the bear jumps
out, the hunter jumps up, shoots the bear, the sandwich
falls out, the mouse jumps, gets the sandwich, the cat takes
a jump, misses, rolls all the way down to the hill and lands
in the pond and the moral of the story is, a lot's got to
happen before a pussy gets wet.
(Snickers all around.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Karen: that was good.
Russ: that was pretty good.
Tia: did you tell Johnny?
Tia: okay, he's on his way up?
Karen: because she saw what we saw on the Internet
Russ: which was?
Tia: okay. Greetings. (Tia says hi to the cat in
Karen: Ganja, Ganja kitty.
Tia: okay, now down to business. Okay, I will do my normal
speech and spiel after our guest speaker. I've got to make
him comfortable, he's running a temperature at the moment of
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Ashtar makes one of his always
Ashtar: greetings and felicitations and welcome. Let us
get down to the communication, the eloquence of the
communication of tonight's speak. We will address certain
matters, upcoming events which concern you all. It has come
to my attention that your stock market has gone from a bull
market to a bear market. This has been predicted in our
predictions by our by our resident prognosticator (Tia). The
information that is relayed for this purpose is for your
understanding, for your decisions to make. The potential
that is to occur is A, an economic depression with all that
entails. B, unrest and strife relating to said market
activity. C, civil disobedience relating in an indirect way
to the governmental activities. D, governmental activities
of an illegal nature concerning certain activities in
E, the outcome of certain investigations. Let us address E
first. The outcome of these investigations will get certain
key actions to occur. Possible resigning of lead, of said
leader of country. Possible resignation of Vice President.
Definite non-re-electable ability of Vice President.
Investigation into other activities concerning certain
supposed suicides. Investigations into certain monetary
gains of individuals, namely Whitewater will be reopened.
Okay, let us look at other fields of information to watch.
The stock market activity on the computer, the Dow index,
is not as important as the Russell 2000 or the NASDAQ 400.
Those are things to be watched. The NASDAQ, the Russell
index and other indexes. Link those with the current
activity on the Dow market and you will be able to project
when and where this event will occur. How to do this is done
by watching the increase and decrease in the activities in
those areas. Also of areas to look into is the growth in
technologies. IBM is a good company to watch. McIntosh is
already showing signs of wear. Computer engineering. It has
been brought to my attention that there is certain rivalry,
this is irrelevant. Each computer has its specific duty and
function for the upcoming problems. Traveling great
distances, this is being looked into. This is for release of
information. This has a very important role into preparing
other areas. That is why all three of you are present. The
traveling of individuals to other parts of your planet is
necessary for the release of information but, done carefully
and in such a way that it does not sound as if it is
doomsaying. The future that comes after this event of the
crash and the economic problems that follow and the civil
problems and the governmental problems is a preparation for
the final outcome of preparation for the next evolutionary
stage. That is why it is important to give out this
information in other areas of your planet. Not just through
your Internet, not everybody has access to your Internet. So
it is necessary for individuals to embark on probably one of
the hardest parts of their life. The difficulty that has
been occurring at this time is preparation for the hardness
to come. Certain substances will have to be given up to keep
enlightenment and knowledge focused. Those substances will
be decided by the individual and will be discarded at the
appropriate time. There is other also medical matters that
need to be addressed relating to certain substances. These
substances have helped in the past and now have become a
very un-useful tool, a hindrance but the learning
from those hindrances are now going to pay dividends. The
advancement of the local mind in the areas that individuals
travel to will be done slowly and surreptitiously using the
intelligence of that individual or individuals and being
able to release the information in a way that is a credit to
themselves and to others. The phrase "I am a simple
individual" is an understatement. The individual or
individuals that do the traveling do not give themselves
enough credit. Credit will be returned in the future. Any
questions? Let us start off with the young man at the far
John: is the photon cloud have any effect on all this?
Ashtar: the photon cloud is irrelevant in this matter.
Ashtar: young lady.
Karen: when you're saying substances, does that mean all
drugs, all smoking, all everything else?
Ashtar: that is self-evident. Young man.
Russ: okay, on the Internet front, working with other groups
to increase the knowledge though people aren't are all
hooked up, we are being asked to join somebody from the one
of the ships Starship Athena.
Russ: apparently they have a chat channel and there's lots
of things with workers and light seekers or light workers
and star seeds and walk-ins and they're all joining together
aboard this one, well on the Starship Athena. I'm not
sure if it's a page or just something and we're being asked
to you know link up to it and it comes from Commander Aleon?
Ashtar: yes, I'm aware of Aleon.
Russ: okay and apparently this is a channeled kind of thing
to us in particular because we are also working with Ashtar
Command and so they are trying to bring all the Ashtar
Command workers together.
Ashtar: not just Ashtar Command workers. It has
been discussed by you and the channel host body that it
would be useful to bring individuals together from other
Ashtar: this is part of that bringing together, proceed.
Russ: ahh, okay thank you.
Ashtar: young man at the end.
John: does it look like we're going to go into a full-scale
Ashtar: the potential is there. In your stock market, there
are a few people that experienced the crash of '78.
There are a few people more than experienced the crash of '78
which I would estimate to be 1% of all people that give
advice. The crash of '88 is going to be minor compared to
what is the potential to come. It is necessary to watch and
analyze what is going on. Young lady.
Karen: you said join all groups. Is that, I mean you were
talking about groups from other planets like Russ was saying
but does that mean groups that we have gathered ourselves individually?
yes but the time will become self-evident when it is
necessary to bring your associates together. The time will
as I said be self-evident but the preparation in advance is
also necessary. You will decide what that preparation is.
Young man at this end.
Russ: yes I'm taking a long trip coming up here to Cancun
Mexico and would this be an appropriate place to also spread
this information then?.
Ashtar: that is your decision. It depends on whether it is
recreational, spiritual, business or all three. The
potential for passing information on is all around you. I
will give a brief dissertation and then final questions from
each of you. Concerning spiritual groups and individuals
around you. It is necessary to focus them into their
particular abilities. The advancement that each of you
teachers have is necessary for your spiritual growth as well
as your associates and comrades. The development of the
associate minds around you will be able to formulate a group
but if you all split up, you will have the ability to form
your own groups that will be able to work with other groups
of former associates. For example, Mr. (Ed: Name edited.),
if you form a group, it will be capable with the teachings
that have been laid down to interact with individuals of
Name edited.) group and in turn,
your two groups will be able to interact with Mr. Hatfield's
group and vice versa. The development of those groups are
important even if you are all in close proximity, your
associates and comrades may not be aware of each other but,
the time will come where individuals from each group may
interact with individuals from each other group so therefore
they will be able to use meta-concert trainings, shield
trainings altogether without having to say "how do you do
yours?" It will be automatic and they will be able to work
together in those meta-concert's as a team regardless if
they are from the state of New York, the state of
California, Oregon or Washington, or Idaho or Arizona. All
those groups will be able to work together as a team. Other
individuals that are not present tonight that would've been
desirable to have present in the state of Nevada will also
be instructed in the final stages and preparation for the
upcoming event. They themselves will formulate groups in
those areas. Last question starting at the far end again
with the young man.
John: do you foresee a lot of militia and military type
activity being associated with this economic depression
we're going into?
Ashtar: not so much military but militia like activity of
individuals on a more of a economic system. Young lady.
Karen: I'm kind of at a loss for words right now.
Ashtar: young man.
Russ: okay so when I........I'll be putting this message on
the webpage and it's essentially then a spiritual call to
Ashtar: not a call to arms, we are a peaceful
Ashtar: it is a spiritual call to mental activity.
Russ: correct, it is what I meant, sorry.
Ashtar: thank you.
John: thank you.
Karen: thank you.
(Tia gets things back on solid ground.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: well, well, well, well, even I was caught
with my undies down.
Russ: well you did pull them up I hope.
Tia: yes I did.
Russ: good girl.
Tia: I didn't know that's what he had of his mind, otherwise
I would've warned you guys.
Tia: come in closer, you're way out there. Come on, all the
way in, all the way in.
Karen: Tia, how's 98.4 a temperature?
Tia: 96.7 is normal.
Karen: 96.7 is normal, hmm.
Tia: well normal for me anyway.
Karen: okay, for Ashtar as well?
Tia: I don't know what his normal temperature is.
you said he was running a fever?
Tia: no, the host was running a fever.
Karen: oh, you're running a fever?
Russ: Mark's running a fever.
Tia: no, I'm not running a fever.
Karen: oh, Mark's running a fever.
Tia: I'm the ring mistress, I'm the ring mistress. I'm not
the host, the host is down there.
Karen: oh, and he's running a fever?
Tia: okay, temperature's also going down in his body. Okay,
well as I said, now's my time for my dialogue and it was
brought to my attention the other day, Saturday I believe,
that Mark was listening to somebody that repeated nearly
word for word what I said. I was shocked, I was also
honored. Somebody's been reading my notes, giving out
the information. Now, let us go on a free-for-all question
Russ: what was the notes that you're referring to?
Tia: on my dissertation on stock market activities and the
fact that individuals are not prepared and are living in a
glory and so on. Pretty much like that.
Russ: the stuff I put on the webpage?
Tia: no it's the one that I gave about a month ago.
Karen: no, because the one you gave last week mentioned it
and then all of a sudden it came up like three days after
you mentioned it on the radio.
Tia: uh-huh and then I also gave another dissertation.
Russ: oh, it's a radio program.
Russ: oh, okay. I'm catching up here.
Tia: one of your primitive communication mediums.
Karen: he's been working too hard.
Tia: yes, we'll address that later as well. Okay, are we all
going to just sit here and look around at each other?
Karen: no I haven't looked to the left yet, can I? No......
John: how you doing?
Russ: all right, so basically he gave some good indicators
to keep an eye open for.
Russ: I'm not familiar with the Russell 600 or 400, I should
Karen: what is the Russell six or whatever it was?
Karen: thank you 2000.
Tia: it's a market indicator. It's like the Dow and the
Russ: I don't see that on CNBC.
Tia: no you won't.
Russ: so you have to look in the Wall Street Journal or
Tia: uh-huh or on the Internet.
Karen: so Ashtar was mentioning that this is all a....or
it's mainly.....if it's not battle in arms and it's all
spiritual and mental.....
Tia: no he never said that.
Karen: oh he didn't say all..
Tia: no he implied that there will be a lot of spiritual
growth, spiritual awareness. He also did not say that there
wouldn't be any physical confrontation.
Karen: so either which way we have to be prepared for both.
Tia: correct or as far as I see it. I mean Ashtar can be
very informative but yet you have to read what he's saying
or not saying or what he's implying. So it's hard to
sometimes understand what he's actually saying without going
back over and listening to what he said.
Karen: so it's actually like reading between the lines.
Russ: hmmm okay. Yeah this looks pretty interesting, I
haven't got a chance to forward it to Mark yet but this
looks like a really good information channel, sort
of like Spirit Chat but devoted toward Ashtar Command.
Russ: it's probably new and just got started. You know I
asked him, it doesn't give the URL address so I'm not sure.
It's an IRC chat channel and I've got to figure out how to
do IRC, I don't have that yet. So I just sent him back a
thing saying please give me a URL I can work with.
Russ: okay, all right now as far as building up groups, I
didn't quite understand that part.
Tia: well you have this group.
Russ: now he's talking about individual groups from this.
Tia: uh-huh. well Johnny has a very important role to play.
Karen: he's got to start his own over in New York.
Tia: uh-huh. Don't look so surprised Johnny, you'll find a
channeler over there or you may open up to
John: oh yeah, I'm not surprised at all.
John: yeah, how Ashtar refers to my family as "the hole in
the wall gang".
Tia: ahh that's Omal.
John: oh that's Omal, that's right.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah.
John: but yeah I'd like to generate some interest and share
some information and see if we can get a group going back
Tia: uh-huh. You have the potential to spread a lot of
information over a wide area.
Russ: so destiny.
Tia: yeah, destiny. And Ashtar put it much, much better than
I could and much more eloquently that you have a very
important role as does Russ on spreading the information. A
way to describe it is, I've been doing some research on the
fall of the Roman Empire and how the information was
squirreled away in monasteries and so on that kept the light
burning in small, little communities and that's how I see
that both of you or all three of you there including Mark
which makes four have to do. The group may or may not get
split up because of certain things happening but it is
necessary to bring people around you that are of like mind.
As Ashtar put it, creating meta-concert groups outside of
this group. You have four people present now that could do a
meta-concert. If Skip was present with Judy, that would
bring it up to six people, small meta-concert but it works.
But groups of six scattered all over the place is 24
individuals that can be interchanged with other groups. Let
us say that you bring your six friends with you on a trip to
here for whatever reason, they can fit automatically into
the meta-concert. Or if a group from here is in New York,
then they can fit into your group automatically.
Interchangeable pieces like circuitry boards from computers.
Whether it is a primitive typewriter or a overgrown
Etch-a-Sketch, the keyboard or the electronical components
for each thing are interchangeable and can work together.
Karen: okay now Tia?
Karen: can these people that we have in our groups, they
can't have any doubts whatsoever then, they
can't have any denial that this is impossible or...?
Tia: self-doubt is a useful tool.
Karen: I'm talking about self-doubt in their powers or their
Tia: it's a useful tool, it stops people from getting
delusional. The fact that they can do anything that they
want."Okay, let's pick this house up and move it." I can't
do that. Maybe a meta-concert from up here could do that but
down in the third dimension? Unless you have some really
powerful PK heads kicking around you can't do it. Even if
you have as many PK people on your planet that you can, you
still wouldn't to be able to pick up the house and move it.
There was an incident
in the late '60's where several thousand
people got together and decided to pick up a five sided
building and shake all the bad bogeyman out of it. And they
tried and they tried and they tried and it didn't even budge
and certainly no bogeyman fell out of it.
Karen: oh bogeyman don't fall.
Tia: figure of speech.
Russ: but the potential is there.
Tia: uh-huh. I don't see....
Russ: in the future for other things besides PK anyway.
Tia: correct but the importance of individual groups
dotted throughout your country is a very useful tool. There
is a young lady in a far-off land where it's going into
autumn now that I wish we could have had present also for
meta-concerts and so on. There is a young lady down in San
Diego that would be useful to have for meta-concerts.
Another one in Arizona, another one in Texas and all the
individuals would have been ideal to have together for a
season of working on meta-concerts. Unfortunately it's too
late. Project for Mark and myself and Kiri. Write up a "how
to meta-concert". All the rules and regulations in a
newsletter form to be sent out like his "how to astral
we've got some stuff on it already through Omal.
Russ: on the net.
Tia: yes, we can work with that in the same way that Mark
did the work last time of cribbing a whole load of
information but a little bit simplified in its
explanation and not so long-winded. You don't want to sit
there and have a book this thick on how to meta-concert.
Russ: actually, it might be handy to take a trip out Sedona
Tia: maybe, that's up to you guys to decide, I
can't tell you what or what not to do.
Russ: of course.
Tia: anyway, let me put on the next person as Karen has a
(She says goodbye in Durondedunn.)
(Omal follows up after Tia.)
I'm going run down and get a soda, should
I put a pot of tea on?
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: greetings Omal.
Karen: hello Omal.
Omal: greetings Johnny, greetings Karen, greetings Russ,
live long and prosper. Let us get down to business. I know
my voice sounds lighter than normal.
Russ: you're trying to sound different from Omal...or
Omal: I was about to say, I am Omal, I am trying to sound a
little different than the lightness that Ashtar was in
tonight. He was in a light mood is a best way to
Karen: is that good?
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: it is neither good nor bad.
Karen: I see.
Omal: it is a neutral stance.
Russ: it's better then we heard last time he was here so....
Omal: oh most certainly.
Russ: we're quite happy with lightness.
Omal: yes but last time he was present, it was
"you have done wrong. You are not keeping your part of the
deal. You are not working hard enough" it was not a nice
sight to see. Fortunately I did not get reprimanded for my
easing off on you guys.
Russ: well you haven't really eased off, you let us learn at
our own particular speed which is exactly what Ashtar would
Omal: the prior meeting to that one was where I received as
you would put it, a reaming without Vaseline.
Russ: why? He gave us good marks on that one.
Omal: yes but I had eased up and it had descended into
mischievous fun for certain individuals up here.
Russ: ahh, well don't ease up, just keep us keep us on our
Omal: feather fights and water fights and panty fights and
Russ: oh those, oh I remember yeah.
Russ: that reaming.
Russ: oh okay, yeah that was a reaming.
a busy guy so tonight we're working on
preparations for the future.
Russ: okay. Now one of the main preparations as he was
saying, is spreading the word.
Russ: okay, now we are going and getting into that on the
Internet and as I mentioned to Tia, maybe a good idea would
be to make some runs to other places so...
Russ: that's something to look into and do some possible
Omal: I was informed that a discussion on bringing various
groups and individuals together for a channeling debate.
Omal: we have confirmation that Ashtar would be able to make
himself available for such a session or, Ashtar if he is
unavailable, has put in a request to a higher authority and
hopefully we will have an answer back on that soon.
Russ: well I have got the place lined up.
Omal: that will be with that outside of the higher
authority's ten year cycle. (The chance of Sananda visiting normally was only
once every ten years.)
Russ: that will be a special visit.
Russ: so we are to proceed with that so I can start
contacting some folks and start putting some feelers out?
Russ: okay, that's what I was waiting for.
Karen: how soon is this supposed to happen?
it depends on the feelers I put out and who I talk to.
Omal: I think Karen was referring more to the upcoming
Omal: that we cannot give out that kind of information at
this time. As you are aware you are on Defcon 2 which is the
one before things happen. Now as for groups expanding
outside of the area, that is a useful tool also that
connections that will be made outside of that group will
help individuals from this group to grow as well. After all,
does not the teacher learn from the pupil?
Karen: that's right.
question for you. You heard what I mentioned to Ashtar about
this group that we're being asked to join here.
Russ: it's working with a real-time discussions and chats
and everything with all light angelic beings, lightworkers
and star seeds and all that.
Russ: people who are working with Ashtar Command and beyond
Russ: well, any contacts I make there might be ideal if
close enough to make a road trips to talk to them in person.
Russ: and starting groups in those areas where those people
Omal: uh-huh. It is likely that those areas and groups will
have things already present. Yes feline, you have a
Karen: I think he wants to know if he can use his face next
to you to lay down.
Omal: I think that is self-evident that he has his mind made
up. But, let us get back to the issue at hand and not the
feline's request for petting.
Karen: so are we still going to collect as much rice and
starches and stuff like that and....?
Omal: I think that would be necessary even if it does not
get to the stage where food become scarce, it will certainly
save on budgeting later on.
Karen: what about.....sorry.
Omal: can you move the feline if he's....
Karen: the purring's like right on my....
Russ: excuse me.
Karen: what about water supply because even if it's runoff
from the mountains, if something happens to that shouldn't
we get bottled water and...
Omal: yes, water purifiers, water tablets and so on.
Dehydrated water is a useful tool to have, all's
you have to do is just add water.
Karen: oh very good. Is everybody in that mood today?
Omal: I have centuries worth of humorous comments and jokes.
Karen: so we can also use plants and everything else that
gives off water as well right?
Omal: but you have to careful, some substances that come off
of certain plants can have an entertaining effect. Certain
with the water that comes off of them and if left
unattended, can certainly have some very "fun" effects for
the individuals watching from outside.
Omal: if you are referring to cactus', there is one that
you should avoid at all costs. It is the San
Juan cactus that the juices and the roots have, I know
Russ will enjoy this and so will Johnny, a psychedelic
effect on one's perception of perceiving things.
Russ: where do we get some?
Karen: I could prove just........I'm kidding.
Omal: they are rare. You may try the mesas of the Four
Corners and further down into New Mexico and down on into
Karen: that is if we get that far.
Omal: yes but I am not recommending them. I am
just remembering of a time bygone. But, using substances for
a spiritual thing, it is necessary to make it a special
event and occurrence. For example, peyote is used in
Omal: alcohol is used in religious ceremonies.
Omal: as is marijuana and other substances such as cocoa. If
you wish to continue using those substances in the future
when they become scarce, it is necessary to make a religious
ritual out to them as was done in the past to increase the
significant powers involved.
Russ: make them into a learning experience not just a fun
Omal: you can do both.
Omal: any more questions?
Karen: just one on astral traveling.
Karen: I've been asking Mark and everybody else, if you
can't astral travel......I mean I've got this problem of
just leaving myself wanting to. I mean I'm normally getting
summoned out of here.
Karen: and I haven't the slightest clue by who.
Karen: but I'm just wondering if there was any chance to
where I could probably go by myself instead of being
Omal: yes there is always that possibility that you could do
it yourself. I do astral travel but it would better to ask
somebody that is more used to using astral travel as a tool.
Johnny, do you have a question?
John: I'm getting ready for a road trip.
dad's flying out and we're going to be taking my old,
old truck cross country.
John: and yeah I'm really looking forward to seeing my
family and getting back there and sharing with this
Omal: yes, with "the hole in the wall gang".
John: yes, "the hole in the wall gang" yes.
Omal: question, who is Butch Cassidy and who will be
John: oh that's hard to say. I'll probably be Butch and my
brother Scott would be Sundance.
Omal: whatever you do, do not go down to Bolivia for
some fun and increasing your wealth but back to your
John: oh, I was just curious about the road trip you know.
John: hopefully it will go off without any major events. I
just got the travel maps from the AAA and we've got a route
worked out and I'm just hoping that the trip goes quite
Omal: yes I do not foresee any serious problems. It may be
nice to carry extra water, engine coolant may come in handy.
Karen: transmission fluid.
Omal: yes transmission fluid, but you are obviously aware of
all the necessary extras to carry. An extra bit of cash to
buy stickers from each state to decorate your vehicle so you
can say "yes, I've been here, I've been there" and so on.
Karen: been here, done that.
John: well that's one problem I do have is a pretty limited
cash flow. I mean I'll have enough to get across country
with my what my father's bringing but yeah but my cash flow
Omal: is tight.
John: very tight at this point.
Omal: just use a lot of as Tia puts it to wear some of her
swimsuits, willpower. Okay.
Karen: one more question.
Karen: how many people should there be in each individual
group more or less?
Omal: enough for a meta-concert which would involve an
executive, conductor, primary and secondary, preferably two
in the secondary. So that would be 5 to 6 individuals.
Karen: so if you have seven, you've got enough?
Omal: correct. Russ?
Russ: nothing yet.
Omal: okay thank you.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Karen: thank you.
John: thank you very much
Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back. One to beam up.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Karen: hello again.
Tia: hello, I'm back. Okay, any more questions for me?
Karen: one of these days, I'd like to meet Athena.
Tia: oh, we'll see if we can set up for a channeling
session. She is the most talkative out of my Cubs.
Russ: well she's not going to be quite as talkative as
Leonedies of course but...
Tia: no, no. That's a totally different league and ballgame
and we may have him present for the next channeling session
if he behaves himself and stops disemboweling and taking
toys to pieces.
Karen: you've got to do something with them.
John: is this comet Beetlebob, is that going to have any
profound affect on this planet?
Tia: spiritually, it may have some. The comet Hale-Bopp
John: Hale-Bopp excuse me.
Tia: Beetlebob. Actually I prefer that name,
sounds good, Beetlebob. There is a lot to watch
for, it's going to be spectacular and you're going to be in
some nice places to watch it from so you know it will be fun
for you. Any more questions?
Tia: who took my buddy away?
Karen: he was purring.
John: he was purring into the microphone.
Tia: yes I heard okay, let me put on the next individual.
quickly wraps up side one.)
Karra: hello, greetings.
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hello, hello, hello, hello, hello. Okay, let me see,
do you have any questions?
Russ: question for you about predictions.
Russ: and the ability to foresee events in the near future.
Russ: now Karen here is able to see stuff apparently in the
the far future is a little tricky. It's all reliant on
fields of probability. Tia's the one that deals with
probabilities and predictions but from what she said as she
is cleaning her claws off is that predicting is difficult.
Is the incident going to occur in six weeks, six months or
six years? You're not too sure on what's going to happen. You use
information that is around you and project it into the
future so people may appear.....
SIDE ONE ENDS
Karra: going to be now or much later
using six years as just a number. It could be 60 years for
all's you know.
Karra: but you know looking into the future it is difficult.
With our history if I get this right, if I don't I'll
probably get corrected. You know our life expectancy, people
are seeing things of events that were going to happen and in
fact did when they were in their early 20s to a 100 years
old. And then it didn't happen for another seven to eight
hundred years but those events did happen and the scale
depends on the life expectancy of the individuals. Sometimes
it is longer than the life expectancy of the individuals.
For example, Mother Shipton, Nostradamus, the writer of the
Revelations and so on. All these things are projections over
a long period of time that don't involve the individual.
Those can be quite suspect.
Karra: and I got it pretty close to the mark.
Karen: but I.....
Russ: well what I'm working.......oh go ahead.
Karen: no well what I was going to say, mine aren't that far
in the future though. Everything I've seen is normally
taking place within three months.
Karra: sometimes it does happen on a short scale but
sometimes there are events that happen on much wider,
longer-term scale. It's difficult to really project
out. Tia's the expert on these matters.
Russ: okay well with the future I'm talking about is within
hours, minutes, seconds.
Karra: those are short-term predictions, things that are
easy to perceive.
Russ: but what I'm thinking is, is the human nature yourself
of course included, see things as they are going to be in
the short term even though maybe you haven't consciously
projected it but you feel like that that's going to happen
and it feels like okay, let's do this because it's good?
Karra: that is taking external information and projecting it
into a format that works well with the future.
Russ: okay and then is that something that's like genetic
code kind of thing?
Karra: no, it is more along the lines of being very
perceptive and using the external data to be analyzed and
coming up with the correct information.
Russ: okay so for example, when I'm working with Johnny on
this you know latest little problems we had....
Russ: I personally didn't foresee the future in this or
anything but just went on gut instinct that this is what I
was supposed to do and then according to Ashtar, this is
something him and I have already worked out that this works
well for the future.
Russ: so even though it's not something I would've wanted to
do, it just felt like I had to do at the time and.....
Russ: so the question is, is this guides, is this my own
superego controlling my decisions on this due to the fact
that it knows when I made the agreement with Johnny so long
Karra: you would be best to talk to our Sirian religious
expert if she ever gets back with the Band-Aids and stuff.
Russ: ahh, okay.
Karen: now I mean that's almost like more or less I mean his
analogy or what he was trying to say, is that like the same
thing to where why I left my ex?
Karra: it's possible, yes. That there's....
Karen: because I have been trying to leave him to three
Karra: yes, things that were planned in the past in as
Ashtar put it, the waiting period, tend to come to fruition
later on and hold on one second, I've....... tell you what,
let me hop out, and I've got to take care of some
Russ: how could she get you so you need to put Band-Aids on?
Karen: I said I have another question for you, are you
Karra: okay, ask me the question.
Karen: since you're the healer up on the base and I'm more
or less a healer period......I'm going to smack you. (Ed:
talking to me.)
Russ: she's bleeding all over the place right now.
Karen: she basically asked for it. If there is a problem
that I need to have or.......say something's wrong with me
and I need some help, is there any way of finding out if
there's other ways of dealing with the problem instead of
just going to the doctor?
Karra: yes there is of course myself who has cured things
but relating to lumps and cysts and so on.
Karen: you're reading my mind?
Karra: the most powerful place to look is here.
Karra: I can help direct and focus that energy. Russ, dig
out those tapes "the healing of Carrie". They will help.
Karra: okay. Now I've got to hop out as and there may be a
little delay. See you guys later.
Russ: bye love.
Karen: bye Karra.
(Tia returns after savaging Karra accidentally.)
Russ: you ought to be.
Tia: hey, she provoked me.
Russ: oh please, you have no control over those things.
Tia: what things?
Russ: that (makes slashing noises.)
Tia: caught her on the arm and then she made another comment
and from where I was sitting....
Russ: caught her on the pass, yeah I know.
Tia: uh-huh, actually the side of her leg, down through
here. Sliced through her toga, right through and it's
actually quite a bit of a mess. I didn't realize I dug in
that deep. But it's fatty tissue anyway.
Russ: it's not very fat.
Tia: yes I know.
Russ: well now that you're through disemboweling people.
Tia: hey, I never disemboweled anybody, you
want to come closer and I'll show you disemboweling?
Karen: oh I want to see.
Tia: I'm putting on the last speaker at this point. We have
no other speakers at present.
(Kiri gets on next.)
Russ: the Sirian religious expert.
Kiri: oh yes, me? Cool.
Russ: well you were mentioned.
Kiri: oh I was?
Kiri: do I get a OBE?
Kiri: out of body's efforts. Okay, what do you want to know?
Karen: who's first?
Russ: concerning working with decisions that are made due to
agreements that are made during the waiting period, are
those controlled by the superego who knows the agreements
that were made and influence the decisions that are then come
Kiri: partly yes. There are other factors that come into
play such as as you stated when you were asking guides, they
also play a part. Also there is a little bit like the
cascade effect. Remember we discussed the cascade effect a
Kiri: okay certain key events are programmed into the
individual in the waiting period not only by the superego
but by external outside influences. The reaction that is
generated by this can be kind of automatic.
Russ: is this a sixth dimensional kind of understanding?
Kiri: pretty much so yeah, that certain events are necessary
to happen and the final lesson is forgiving what happened
during those events and being able to maintain
friendships and to be able to visit each other like in the
past and behave as if those events did not happen.
Russ: so you have a personal example of that could share
with us perhaps?
Kiri: not really, only a story that my grandmother told me
about my mother a long time ago.
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: but it's something I don't want to go into at this
Russ: it's bad?
Kiri: uh-huh because I'm still trying to come to terms with
that but that in itself could be an example of forgiving.
Kiri: you know the departure at a premature age of mother.
Russ: well with the reappearance of mother. (Ed: Miranda,
daughter of Alana and myself.)
Kiri: that is something that will have to be addressed later
she gets her full memories.
Russ: correct, 21 years from now.
Russ: 20, yeah 19 years to go.
19 years to go and a long time.
John: how is mother doing?
Kiri: oh grandmother?
Kiri: she's doing fine. She's well and happy. Sarah's
still staying in her room and they spend a lot of time
talking. Sarah's out of a lot of her pain but unfortunately
she has what we call now accelerated decrepity.
Karen: I've got a question.
Karen: like I was mentioning on the astral traveling being
Karen: now are certain key aspects happening in my life to
or where they are doing this?
Kiri: I think that would be something that you alone can
decide and understand. I'm not able to say that yes you did,
no you didn't. That takes somebody of much higher
dimensional awareness than myself and unfortunately the
person that is ideally suited to do that has left. Omal is
still hovering around and keeping us in line or trying to
anyway. Actually he's helping put on a Band-Aid at the
so, going back over past life experiences.......
Russ: one can see something of the relationship between the
waiting period agreements and the decisions made later.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes there are. They become self-evident
after-the-fact. The fact that Ashtar laid what was going on
very much on the ground and said okay, this is how it is and
he hinted at the necessary reaffirming of friendship.
something a little off the line from this but a question on
it, how do tarot cards figure into the equation here?
Kiri: into predicting the future?
Russ: yeah I mean is there something with the guides,
the superego, the agreements, the decisions and all
Kiri: it is a combination but tarot cards are also the
tapping in of the reader into the matrix of the subconscious
mind. The mind that you can't read. Getting back to Sarah
and her thing, she's picked out the lining for her return
box and also has it pretty much finished. Got some
interesting carvings from the pictures I've seen on the
Russ: hmmm. So she'll going to be going on to a sixth
dimensional existence or a third dimensional do you think?
She spent a lot of time in sixth dimension though....
Kiri: yes, maybe sixth dimensional, I hope so.
Russ: I do too.
Kiri: uh-huh. After what she's been through, she could
Russ: she earned it.
Kiri: earned it.
Russ: but only she can make the decision.
Kiri: that's correct. Only she knows if it's right for her
or not but I've never seen her since we've had her up on the
base and then when we took her to Sirius, I've never seen
her so happy. But she has told me that she knows when her
time is and she has told me that she is going to let me know
like a week in advance so I can go and be with her.
Kiri: uh-huh. At the moment she looks like she's about 45
always be a young 20-year-old to me. What was that? (A loud
Karen: just playing with my box.
Russ: I just closed it.
Karen: it's called a caboodle.
Kiri: oh okay.
Russ: you could put a kitten in it.
Karen: no you don't.
Russ: it would be a kitten caboodle.
think yourself lucky that Tia's not around.
Karen: that was good, I couldn't
Kiri: okay we get everybody out of the way,
we don't have anybody pounding on the door this week. Yes?
Russ: how is she doing?
Kiri: she's doing fine. We've got about how many more
minutes? Turned over at about 45.
Russ: we've got at least 10 minutes sitting there.
Kiri: yeah, we can use that up in idle chitchat.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: or I can put on the Tia monster.
Russ: well what is Lyka's condition now? Is she back
Kiri: she's over the hump.
Kiri: uh-huh. I mean the orgy of last week....was it last
week or the week before?
Russ: last week.
Kiri: yeah last week did help tremendously.
Russ: last Tuesday night.
Kiri: to get her to come down the other side. The fact that
she's had to have that happen once more but it didn't take
as long to get the testosterone out of her system.
Russ: she's probably starting to enjoy it now.
Kiri: yes she is actually.
Kiri: but she had some of her platoon mates do it to her
which makes me think that she was enjoying it tremendously.
Russ: she probably encouraged it.
Kiri: uh-huh and thing they did was attack her with feathers
beforehand, all very kinky. You would've enjoyed it Johnny.
Eight young ladies with feathers tickling the hell out of
one individual that was handcuffed and chained by the feet.
John: whew, whew that gives me shivers just thinking about
Kiri: I only heard about it unfortunately, they didn't
Russ: well you didn't get invited to the last one.
Kiri: true, true. I think we ought to do it to her once
Russ: oh at least.
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh. Suggestion from Tia.......
Kiri: who's going to be back on in a few.
Kiri: about after the channeling session that the three of
you sit down, have a cup of tea and have a bull shitting
Kiri: though she's apologizing to Karra at the moment
profusely. It's actually funny to watch.
Russ: I can imagine.
Kiri: uh-huh. She's kissing her shoulder and her tush.
Kiri: see you guys later.
Russ: bye Kiri.
John: see you later, thank you.
(Tia's back to finish up side two.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi again in Durondedunn.)
John: anyone ready for a cup of tea?
Tia: I'd love a cup of tea.
John: I thought so. I made you a cup of Earl Grey too.
Tia: (blows raspberries at him.)
John: do you want some, Earl Grey?
Russ: yeah, sounds delicious.
Tia: uh-huh. I think that was a great idea of mine.
Russ: road trip.
Tia: uh-huh. Yes but you know it's important to keep in
communication. You know the fact that everybody's been
assembled here by pre-destiny and past lives to work
Russ: yeah I don't doubt.
Tia: uh-huh. What else? Karra did her nudist thing for Lyka
in the tent before the race.
Russ: what nudist thing?
Tia: oh she stripped down.
Tia: before the race and sort of like "you get down here
first and when you're ready, this is the gift". It's
probably why she hammered down there. Also she had a friend
with her that kind of got semi involved. Karra agreed so the
two gold and silver medalist's get what they want.
Russ: umm good.
Russ: you owe me an apology.
Tia: for what?
Russ: a sympathetic pain.
Tia: that was unintentional, if she hadn't made
those comments. (Ed: Didn't make it onto the tape.)
Russ: I was here okay?
Tia: if she hadn't made those comments.
Russ: oh well yeah, I didn't make the comments did I? I get
the pain. Don't I get an apology too?
Tia: well you shouldn't be so close. (Sticks her tongue out
Russ: excuse me, twin soul.
Tia: hey, did you get the kisses?
Russ: no, I didn't get the kisses either. So what's up with
Russ: I'm not giving anything out of it except the
pain. I deserve something darling.
Tia: do you think I should apologize? After all he was in on
the cat comments as well as you guys.
Russ: I did not say a word about the cats okay.
Tia: hey kitten caboodle.
Russ: excuse me, that was not anything that was derogatory
on any cats. Kitten caboodle is a very common expression down here.
Tia: no you said put the cat in the box.
Russ: yeah, taking them down to go put them at the store.
You need a box to put them in. (A recent litter of kittens had been
John: and kitten caboodle is actually a brand of cat food.
that's what Joey eats. (Mark's cat.) Sorry. (Blows
Russ: thank you, apology accepted.
John: I mean my comments about the cats were quite rude but
I don't think Russ was really of line.
Tia: uh-huh but getting to cats, cats are little minds all
my planet. (Her third dimensional home world of
Durondedunn.) They're kind of spiritual beings so we tend to
look after them and the fact that we can communicate, it's
like being able to communicate with another animal on your
planet with ease. And to us, because we can communicate and
talk to them, even though it's....
John: is it a verbal communication or a telepathic
John: it is a verbal communication.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. It's......
Russ: that makes them sentient.
Tia: uh-huh, so we call them little minds and we take care
of little minds like the reason why I like you guys so much
apart from the fact that we've all worked together in the
past and Mark's my triple soul, is the fact that you have
the same way of reacting to cats as we do on our home
planet. I would almost say that you are the nearest
earthlings that would be the equivalent to Durondedunn's on
Russ: there are people who react a lot better than we do.
Tia: yes they are that I know and I only a few of yours too.
but cats are very spiritual animals and something
that is important to our spiritual growth. Cats are little
minds, they're little us' as we were millions and millions
of years ago. They are a reflection of that apart from their
communicating capable and they're sentient of course.
They're spiritual animals at our shrines and temples and
monasteries there are lots of cats and hang out and
they are part of the ritual hunts that we do that you will
have six or seven priestesses and the high priestess go off
hunt and you'll have probably twice as many cats that come
the cats will watch and participate and get smaller game.
For example, they may bring down something like a "sheedar".
John: a what?
Tia: it's kind of.....
Russ: a deer like animal.
Russ: I thought that's what it was the last time we talked
Tia: no, a sheedar is different from what we talked about
last time. That was a "hannah", which a deer like animal.
Russ: oh that's right.
Tia: a sheedar is..........the best way to describe it is
from what I've seen, a bigger version of your
John: oh okay.
Tia: kind of like four times the size of your hares,
jackrabbits as you call them.
Russ: that's a big bunny.
Tia: uh-huh. And they'll bring down one or they may
bring down yeah eight or nine of them and they will bring
them to the monastery themselves. Each one carrying this
animal that's about the size they are between their legs.
Drag them all the way back to the base. They will feast on
maybe two or three of them and the rest, the skins are
always cut off, the skins are dried and so are the heads and
the heads are kept for spiritual purposes. The fur is used
for clothing and so on and the flesh is used to eat, the
bones are used as tools for religious ceremonies and so on and
the cats will
eat maybe two, three of them or they'll go out and
depends on how many there are. And they understand as well
as we understand the necessary to maintain the balance.
Tia: but they're big rabbits. Huge beautiful ears. They're
great for tickling with as well.
I take it....
(A phone rings.)
Tia: let it ring.
John: there's several varieties of feline species.
John: right from what we call our domesticated cat right up
through lions and tigers.....
John: and larger species?
Tia: no. The biggest that they go is about the size of
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: uh-huh. Nothing bigger than that because we are the
John: I see.
Tia: uh-huh and we don't have the manes and the
tails or anything but that's what we are descended from. If
your planet was on the same evolutionary scale as ours,
as your gorillas and chimpanzees and so on are your
relatives, so are the cats and the puma equivalent and the tigers.
The tigers and lions are the missing......well not the missing
branch but the fossil branch.
Tia: uh-huh, tape's about ready to end as well. So....
Russ: it's unusual to hear about another planet and its
evolution. It's almost like a science fiction except it's
Tia: yeah, you could say that. Your planet's science-fiction
to me anyway. Well not so much science fiction as.......
Russ: I mean you've seen this planet, you're seeing this
on the other hand have nothing but...........
Tia: stories of.
Russ: stories right.
Tia: stories of Durondedunn.
Russ: Mark has seen it but that's different.
Tia: uh-huh. Oh the great houses and the park lands and the
forests. Actually it's something I really do miss is climbing
around in trees in the buff. Used to love doing
that as a little girl. You know we don't have so much of a
clothes taboo as you guys do.
Russ: probably warmer weather too.
Tia: yeah, down in the low lands but up in the mountains
they wear fur more than they wear clothing. But it's done
nicely, hair-like jackets and so on.
John: how about the relationship of water to land, is it
similar like our planet it's about three quarters water to
about one quarter land?
Tia: ours is a little less. I should say it would be, what's
it be? About 3/16 which is just under a quarter.....no it
would be a little bit more than 3/16. Something like about
7/32 is about the equivalent. So it's just under a quarter.
John: so you actually have more water on your planet then we
do on ours?
Tia: uh-huh, yeah. And there are people like myself that
don't like water. I don't like big open bodies of water.
Swimming in rivers is fine to a certain extent. Swimming in
pools and ponds, that's okay to a certain extent, I
don't personally enjoy it. There are other people on my
planet that almost live in the water.
Russ: Dolphin Lake does not entice you I take it?
Tia: no, no. I'm the person that sits in the middle the boat
when going boating. Don't you remember that story that Mark
Russ: I remember.
Tia: uh-huh, I'm the person that holds on for dear life. I
wear my life vest, I wear flotation devices as
much as possible.
Russ: well you'd never drown..
John: do you swim?
Tia: yes, but not very well.
John: so you're not real comfortable when in big bodies of
Tia: uh-huh, I will go to the swimming pool from time to
time, preferably not when the hairy guys are around. (The
Wookies on the base.)
Tia: I will go swimming, I won't swim on my own. I prefer to
have Mark there or Kiri or Alana or Lyka. I'm not a strong
swimmer. I will dive in, I don't like being underwater for
any length of time. You'll never get me in Lake Dolphin in a
wetsuit diving down to great depths like Alana does which
she can't do at the moment.
Russ: no, because of her pregnancy?
Russ: it can't be that dangerous for her.
Tia: change of pressure and stuff.
Russ: but she's only 3 1/2 weeks old.
John: but that could do damage to the fetus correct?
Tia: correct, correct, if she goes deep. Don't forget, you
go down like two hundred feet, you've got two atmospheres
around your body.
Russ: that's true.
Tia: you don't want the cavity in the womb being crushed.
Tia: so she's only allowed to go down 25 feet now and the dolphins
Tia: okay, next week we may have Leonedies.
Tia: that's all I can project at this time, we may have
Lyka, we may. Depends on her testosterone.....
Russ: I'll try not to antagonize her this time.
John: is Leonedies been behaving himself?
Tia: well there it does depend on how well he does behave
himself. The comment about him dissecting and disemboweling
toys is true. The fact that he almost had his arm opened and
up by one of my girls is a part explanation. Her favorite
doll, totally dissected.
Russ: he's taking his life in his hands at that point.
John: now with all your technology, isn't there some toys
that you could come up with that are specifically designed
for him to disembowel?
Tia: yes there are, there are and he does have them. But the
fact is that the inquiring mind that you can't have
all the toys like that. Besides, my girls, they don't like
those kind of toys that can be taken to pieces. They like
nice, soft, fluffy toys. They like lifelike dolls that have
all the stiffness and everything in the joints. And the fact
that he disemboweled and took it down almost to a molecular
level, the only thing that was left was strawberry blonde
hair and a pile of ashes and he wouldn't put it back
John: but he did have the capability if he chose to.
Tia: if he understands how to do it.
Tia: I don't know if he does understand how to do it. At the
moment he is going through the moral problem of what is
Russ: poor guy.
Russ: better him than me.
Tia: he will not say if his comments are true or not true or
if he wishes and desires to do so.
Russ: he'll learn.
Tia: yes, hopefully he'll learn. Okay well the tape's pretty
much over, we've got probably a minute or two.
Russ: we can cut it close, we can cut it off short.
Tia: no, no, no, no. We want to use that. There's nothing
worse than having a blank piece of tape at the end. Don't
you agree Johnny?
John: I agree.
Tia: especially as this is an important tape. Now let's see,
what could the name be for this tape? Ashtar meets Karen?
Tia: or let me see, farewell and welcome? Or welcome and
Tia: or Ashtar and....
Russ: we still have one more with Johnny left.
Tia: yes, hopefully, hopefully. It depends what happens if
Mark is fully recovered from his goof up.
Russ: what goof up?
Tia: oh he goofed.
John: oh he messed up bad coming back from Hades Base last
he do? This is the first I've heard of it. Is this because
he was throwing up?
Tia: that was an end result.
John: he made an error in judgment when he came back. He
wasn't totally focused from the way he explained it to me
Tia: you see, Johnny knows more than I do. All's I know is
that he goofed up and when I popped into his head I yelped
for the simple reason that I felt the pain. And I did not
know until he mentioned that he was feeling much better and
his headache was going and I go "oh, you had a headache?"
And he goes "yeah I am, my stomach's feeling better." And
it's sort of like, "your stomach?" And he's sort of like
"nothing happened." And it's sort of like "why was your
John: he was.....when he heard you yelp, he knew he was in
serious problems or the potential for.......
THE TAPE ENDS
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