SIDE ONE
(Tia is already on
the phone with Carrie who is laughing)
Russ: I don't believe this, oh my God.
Carrie: I'm sorry.
Russ: I guess.
Carrie: I did, I was laying in bed and
I hear the phone ring and went, "oh
%&*^*".......
Russ: no kidding.
Carrie: Mike said, "what?" And I said,
"they were calling for a session tonight," I totally
forgot.
Tia: well you would have been up in
about an hour and a half anyway.
Carrie: hour and a half?
Tia: uh-huh.
Carrie: why, To go to the
bathroom?
Tia: uh-huh.
Carrie: but see I've learned to do
that with my eyes closed.
Tia: ohhhhh.
Carrie: I can do that with my eyes
closed now.
Tia: well you have a clear pathway
right way through to the bathroom now huh?
Carrie: oh yeah. "Here honey, I'll
shut the door." Yeah I have a bad cramp
in my hip that I can’t get rid of
and it hurts so bad.
Tia:
in your head?
Carrie: in my hip.
Tia:
oh in your hip?
Carrie: that’s why it
took me so long to get to the
phone.
Tia:
oh.
Carrie: not walking
very well.
Tia:
well hobbling around, what should
we call you,
Hopalong Cassidy?
Carrie: oh funny.
Tia:
(blows a raspberry) so how’s my
sister mind doing with her dreams?
Carrie: oh God,
they’re weird.
Tia:
I’m sorry.
Carrie: they tell me
that it’s because I’m pregnant but
you know.
Tia:
well that’s part of it.
Carrie: I’ll make
some tea while I’m up, I guess I’m
up.
Tia:
you’re going to be going to the
bathroom in a few.
Carrie: huh?
Tia:
you’ll be going to the bathroom in
a few, backwards and forwards,
backwards and forwards.
Carrie: well it
doesn’t help that I drink water
and tea all night and all day but you’re
supposed to.
Tia:
uh-huh, gotta keep those fluids up
young lady.
Carrie: I drink all
my milk that I’m supposed to and I drink
all of my juices and......
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: God that’s
all I do all day long is like I
drink all day long.
Tia:
well we’re going to have a water
baby huh?
Carrie: probably,
either that or it’s going to hate
fluids.
Tia:
no,
I think it will take after its
mother and love tea.
Carrie: yeah but I
can only drink a couple types of
tea, I can only drink
decaffeinated tea and raspberry
tea. I can't drink green tea and I
can’t drink chamomile.
Tia:
uh-hmm, how
come?
Carrie: because it’s
a sedative-like…….
Tia:
oh yeah.
Carrie: and it slows
down my body functions.
Tia:
which slows down the baby’s body
functions.
Carrie: yeah so it
slows down the liver enzymes in
the baby.
Tia:
ahhh.
Carrie: and so the
baby won’t produce the way it's
supposed to.
Tia:
so you can’t drink regular teas.
Carrie: no, no not
with caffeine either.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: I don’t drink
any caffeine. Once in a great
while I’ll have a pop or something
but….
Tia:
yeah because you’ll have a hyper
baby that will keep you awake all
night.
Carrie: huh?
Tia:
you’ll have a hyper baby that will
keep you awake all night.
Carrie: yeah.
Tia:
doing somersaults.
Carrie: shown
a lot of
studies that
that like caffeine can cause a lot
of neurological problems in babies….
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: and stuff and
they say that like when you drink
a lot of caffeine but still….
Tia:
yeah.
Carrie: I just keep
it to my basic food groups and my
fruits and vegetables and my tea
and…..
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: and all the
good stuff for me so….
Tia:
so how are you feeling now?
Carrie: good.
Tia:
that’s great.
Carrie: very fat but
really good.
Tia:
of course, of course you're blooming. I
came by the other night and you were
sound asleep…he he he he.
Carrie: that’s very
rare.
Tia:
uh-huh. Well
it involved some really
interesting flying dreams and
other dreams.
Carrie: I have some
weird dreams and I dream all night
long.
Tia:
well that’s good.
Carrie: and still, I
don’t know if the guys told you
about the dream that I had……
Tia:
I was listening intently.
Carrie: oh and I
can’t…….I still for the life of me
just trying to figure out who that
person is. Because it was one of
those……because you can dream about
other people.
Tia:
oh yeah.
Carrie: but it just
wasn’t, it was different.
Tia:
uh-huh, very lucid, very touch,
feel, smell, taste sensitive.
Carrie: yeah and I
knew the person, it was like there
was a connection of some sort.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: and I just
had a feeling that Russ and Mark
knew him.
Tia:
they probably do, they probably do
but can’t place him. You know how
these guys are like.
Carrie: oh yeah.
Tia:
uh-huh. They couldn't
even find their own socks if they
didn’t know where they put them.
Carrie: I’m hobbling
to get my tea now.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: so how is
everything up there?
Tia:
everything’s great up here, we’re
very busy.
Carrie: yeah?
Tia:
uh-huh. We’re doing lots of work and things
which I can’t really talk about
but the Cubs are doing great.
Carrie: are they?
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: I’ll bet
they’re big.
Tia:
oh they’re getting big, they just
had their third birthday back in
November…..
Carrie: oh geez,
already?
Tia:
uh-huh and they're
full of mischief and play.
Carrie: yeah I’ll
bet.
Tia:
can’t stop playing half the time.
Carrie: well that’s
what they’re supposed to do.
Tia:
and I’m having somebody throw
socks me at the moment.
Carrie: so who’s in
the room?
Tia:
well there’s Mark’s body of
course, myself, Russ and up here
we have Kiri and Karra.
Carrie: tell
everybody hi for me.
Tia:
oh you’re going to talk to Karra
in a few seconds.
Carrie: okay.
Tia:
she’s getting ready to channel.
Okay, I’m going to put Karra on.
Carrie: huh?
Tia:
I’m going to put Karra on, she’s
trying to look sensible and
serious but she’s being tickled by
a feather at the moment.
(Karra gets up-to-date
with Carrie)
Karra: hello.
Carrie: hi.
Karra: how’s it going
young one?
Carrie: oh fantastic.
Karra: and we are
growing well I note?
Carrie: growing very big.
Karra: uh-huh, oh you’ve got
more to go yet.
Carrie: I know,
that’s the scary thing, I still
got three months.
Karra: uh-huh and
your aura is radiating
beautifully.
Carrie: oh well I
hope so, it sure feels like it.
Karra: uh-huh and
your stomach area, your belly is
radiating its own private little
aura.
Carrie: (laughs)
Karra: that’s quite
bright at the moment.
Carrie: yeah, well
this one I'll tell you, he’s going to
be a wild one.
Karra: uh-huh. Have you had
a test to see what it’s going to
be?
Carrie: no, they
won’t do it unless…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: there's
complications.
Karra: or if you’re
over a certain age I believe.
Carrie: yeah, yeah.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: well see they
did one when
I was three weeks to make
sure that the baby was where he was
supposed to be.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: but I kind of
feel like it’s a he.
Karra: yeah well
we’ll see.
Carrie:
I could be wrong but.......I
don’t know why…I just more…I don’t
know…I'm just directed more
towards he.
Karra: yeah.
Russ: can you talk to
it yet?
Carrie: oh I talk to
it all the time.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ:
does it talk back?
Carrie:
no.
Russ:
oh.
Karra: yes I
understand the feeling very well
that you experience
on a
third dimensional level
because that is like the first two
trimesters for us.
Carrie: oh really?
Karra: uh-huh and
then it develops after that into
the mind that it has.
Carrie: hmm. I feel
it, I feel it emotionally…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: and I feel
the bonding and
the connection that this child and
I have.
Karra: that’s quite
normal at your
stage.
Carrie: I don’t hear
it but I know that the feelings
that the baby has.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: you know
like, I tell its temperament……
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: like when I’m
upset, I can feel the difference
in the way the baby kicks or….
Karra: yes.
Carrie: I almost feel
it…..…..an
uneasiness.
Karra: well that’s
perfectly natural for it to be uneasy when
you’re upset is that it’s feeling
your muscles get tense and
everything.
Carrie: yeah, well
that’s why I try not to get upset
too often like that anymore.
Karra: uh-huh and
you’re doing very well from what I
hear.
Carrie: you know
what? Indirectly you know people
don’t believe that indirectly that
you’re affected in the womb.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: you know? But
they’ve even taking people back
through past life regressions into
the womb.
Karra: yes.
Carrie: for the
traumatizing of the childbirth. I
wanted to have…oh God, what is it
called?
Karra: yeah I know
what you mean, one of your last
sessions here, you wanted a…...
Carrie: water baby.
Karra: yes.
Carrie: yeah but they
don’t do that here in the United
States and I wanted to have a
water baby because they say it’s
less traumatizing for the mother
and the baby.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: and I even
watched one on the Discovery
Channel.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: and this
woman in Russia, she had her first
two children in the ocean and then
her third child, it was too cold
to have him in the ocean…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: so her
husband filled up a pool in their
front living room and he laid in
the water with her while she gave
birth and they showed it on TV.
Karra: hmm.
Carrie: and it was so
beautiful. I mean it was just so
back to nature.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: back to the
way, the way it was........
Karra: yes.
Carrie: I mean…..
Karra: it takes a lot
of stress off of the muscles and
the baby and it’s very relaxing
and soothing.
Carrie: well the baby
comes out of the water into the
water.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: you know?
Like whereas here it comes into screaming,
doctors and nurses and lights and…
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: you know? And
cold, cold
rooms.
Karra: yes.
Carrie: that’s why
we’re going to have........I
mean it’s not the same but we’re
going to have like the lights
dimmed low and……
Karra: nice music
playing.
Carrie: and we’re
going to have Enya playing.
Karra: of course.
Carrie: and they say
that you have that option….
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: because that
makes it a little bit less
stressful on the baby and mother
too.
Karra: now remember,
you can’t have any drugs, if you do,
you must play 'Purple Haze'.
Carrie: 'Purple
Haze'?
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: why?
Karra: well it would be
fitting with the drugs and the
baby.
Carrie: (laughs) that
would suck. I don’t know if I want
drugs or not. I’ve been doing
research on them.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: but I don’t
know if I’ll have a choice or not.
Karra: well Russ saw
a movie a while back about a baby
being born and the mother had some
drugs and she did her
impersonation of the movie 'Exorcist'?
Carrie: uh-huh.
Karra: while
she was getting ready to give
birth and
then she had the drugs and it was
a very mellow experience for her.
Carrie: oh yeah.
Karra: but it took
away the learning is my opinion.
Carrie: yeah but
sometimes if they don’t give you
the drugs you can actually go into
shock.
Karra: oh yes.
Carrie: you know? I
mean I don’t know, I really don’t
know. Okay they showed five
different births, I’ve heard many,
many stories….
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: I’ve heard
lots of women
go in and say they want natural
childbirth and then once they
started into the labor pains they
went for an epidural.
Karra: yes but at
that point it’s really too late.
Carrie: well not
really actually now because we
talked about that in my last
class.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: and not
really because of……there’s like......they do
have to do it at a certain
dilation.
Karra: yes I think
it’s about 7 cm.
Carrie: yeah but they
say if you’re anywhere in between
seven to ten it's only going to be
like another hour.
Karra: pretty much
so, yes.
Carrie: but see I
don’t know, I mean if they could
schedule a C-section for me
because my cervix might not be
able to handle it.
Karra: uh-huh yeah.
Now could you do me a favor? Turn
your head slightly, put one hand
under your belly and stick out
your tongue and go.....(blows a
raspberry)
Carrie: why?
Karra: so that we can
take a hologram of you.
Carrie: (laughs) why
am I sticking out my tongue?
Karra: Kiri’s
suggestion.
Carrie: oh. (laughs
some more)
Karra: that’s better,
with your head slightly tilted
back laughing, that’s better yet.
Okay we’ve got it.
Carrie: okay. Oh I
forgot what I was going to say.
Oh, I quit smoking.
Karra: that’s good,
yes we notice that the aura around
your lung is looking better.
Carrie: I quit
smoking on Halloween.
Karra: oh perfect
timing.
Carrie: yeah actually
it’s been that long, it feels
really good.
Karra: uh-huh, I’ll
bet it feels wonderful.
Carrie: it does, it’s
nice because then I don’t have to
worry about hurting the baby.
Karra: and shortness
of breath as well.
Carrie: well I do
worry about that because I do have
it. My lungs are crammed up into
my boobs.
Karra: uh-huh but
you're doing your breathing
classes…..
Carrie: my lungs, my
stomach, my bladder, everything
else. Actually my bladder
the kid steps on quite a bit
but.....
Karra: yes but I do
remember.
Carrie: so I do, I do
actually have quite a bit of
shortness of breath. My doctor put
me back on an asthma inhaler because
my asthma got worse too.
Karra: well that is
normal and arthritis is also
normal.
Carrie: oh well, yeah
I have that too.
Karra: yeah but
the thing to remember is that not
to do any jumping up and down.
Carrie: oh I don’t.
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: Mike makes
sure of that, he’s my food
and my activity police.
Karra: yes.
Carrie: he is, he’s
so cute.
Karra: I remember
getting called to one of my
patients when she was expecting
and she was jumping up and down on
the bed shouting, “will you knock
it off?” She had three little
minds that
were trying to override
her mind and fight at the same
time.
(Tia during her pregnancy with the
Cubs)
Carrie: that’s not
the way to tell them.
Karra: well she was
having real problems at the time.
But you’re fortunate, you’ve got
plenty of room in there unlike my
one-time
patient.
Carrie: I can
imagine.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes,
she’s only little, she’s I think
5’2” and having three little
babies inside her was a real
strain on the poor, young lady.
Carrie: I can imagine
that.
Karra: but she’s fine
now.
Carrie: Mike thinks
I’m moody now.
Karra: well you’re
fine, you’re fine. Everything's working
fine, you’re getting all your
appropriate mood
swings and mood
interests.
Carrie: yeah actually
they’re not too bad, actually it’s
been a real soul-searching event
for me.
My
mood swings
aren't too bad, if anything,
they’re better than they were
though for a while there they were
pretty bad.
Karra: well there is
one big one that you have to watch
out for afterwards.
Carrie: postpartum
depression?
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: I’ve heard of
it.
Karra: yes and I
really can’t prepare you that well
for it. I would like to be able to
take it away from you but you need
to learn from it.
Carrie: yeah, well…….
Karra: uh-huh.
Carrie: they say that
most mothers go through it.
Karra: yeah uh-huh,
I’ve been through it. Been through
it quite a few times.
Russ: I’ve been
through it.
Karra: and I plan to
go through it again.
Carrie: uh-huh, I'm sure you have.
Karra: well Russ is
getting in touch with his feminine
side.
Carrie: uh-huh,
about
damn time.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: kicking and
screaming all the way might I add.
Carrie: what?
Russ: kicking and
screaming all the way.
Carrie: uh-huh, well don’t
fight it Russ.
Karra: we’re going to
put on the next person…..
Carrie: okay.
Karra: and then all
three of us will come back at the
end together.
Carrie: okay.
Karra: see you later.
Carrie: bye.
(It's Kiri's
turn with Carrie now)
Kiri: yo.
Carrie: hello.
Kiri: dudette.
Carrie: how are you?
Kiri: I’m doing
wonderful, and you?
Carrie: good.
Kiri: uh-huh. So
how’s things going for you?
Carrie: really good.
Kiri: that’s
wonderful, wonderful.
Carrie: I’m fat
and…...
Kiri: no you’re not,
well you’re large but you're
beautiful.
Carrie: oh thank you.
Kiri: you're
absolutely radiant.
Carrie: oh you’re
sweet.
Kiri: and remember
that…..
Carrie: I’m just glad
I’m having this kid in the spring
because I can lose the weight in
the summer.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: if not, I
would be a horrible, depressed
mess.
Kiri: well and also
the fact being pregnant in hot
weather is uncomfortable from what
I hear.
Carrie: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: that’s what
I've heard too and I’m pretty
miserable in
hot weather anyways, I can’t
imagine being pregnant in it.
Kiri: uh-huh. But
once you’ve had your baby, we’ll
get you up here and we’ll have
some fun together, you and I on
the astral level okay?
Carrie: haven’t we
been trying that for years and
it's still never happened?
Kiri: we’ll see what
we can do, we’ll see what we can
do. It will be like some of the
dreams that you’ve have recently.
Carrie: I’m getting
better.
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Carrie: I’m getting
better.
Kiri: yeah, tell you
what Mark ought to do, he ought to
print up his how
to astral travel thingy and
mail that to you.
Carrie: oh yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I used to
have a
tape but I lost it.
Kiri: well we’ll send
it to you from the printer.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: okay, send it
to the address that I just gave
you guys so..
Kiri: and Tia’s
jumping up and down mimicking what
she did about three years ago,
well just over three years ago.
Carrie: what?
Kiri: when she was
pregnant.
Carrie: oh was that
her?
Kiri: uh-huh, that
was her.
Carrie: I kind of
figured that when I heard it was
three little Cubs and she was five
foot two.
Kiri: uh-huh, five foot
two, eyes of blue, strawberry
blonde, that’s Tia.
Carrie: tell her
don’t worry, I’m not going to jump
up and down.
Kiri: okay, that’s
good, that’s good.
Carrie: I don’t I can
get my fat body off the ground
that far though.
Kiri: well Tia’s very
agile and athletic anyway.
Carrie: no, sometimes
I catch myself like doing silly
things like I think I’m still the inevitable
and I can....….
Kiri: do anything.
Carrie: climb the ladder
and…
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: do that stuff
and then I catch myself and go,
“oh no, no, no, not good.”
Kiri: no, no, no, not
good at
all….
Carrie: risky
judgment.
Kiri: uh-huh,
wouldn’t be prudent at this
juncture.
Carrie: no.
Kiri: no.
Carrie: I'll be able
to do it in three months.
Kiri: uh-huh, well
you’ve got to relax and unwind and
be cool.
Carrie: it’s been
really challenging because of
depending on somebody else to do
things for you.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: like I really
depend on
Mike a lot to do things
for me and it’s been very challenging
and it was hard at first.
Kiri: yeah.
Carrie: it was really
hard.
I mean I would kick and scream and
cry and try to figure out ways of
how I could do it before I had to
ask him.
Kiri: well you’ve
always been independent ever since
we’ve known you.
Carrie: oh yeah well,
I’m learning……
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: better.
Kiri: now you’re
planning on moving to San Diego in
the next year or so?
Carrie: uh-huh, in the
next two years yeah.
Kiri: next two years.
Well that will give you an
opportunity to have some
experiences.
Carrie: in San Diego?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: oh yeah.
Kiri: yeah.
Carrie: I’m looking
definitely forward to it.
Kiri: uh-huh, and
when the time is right and you
decide that the time is right, Tia
will help to coach and help to
bring me into your mind to help.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: yeah, I can
trust that.
Kiri: yeah, well the
three of us will work together as
a team, make it the best
experience for you possible.
Carrie: I can’t wait,
I’m so looking forward to just
getting out
of this place.
Kiri: uh-huh, and the
sun and the beauty.
Carrie: it's going to be
a while but……
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I have to
deal with what I got here and then
I can leave.
Kiri: did you ever
meet Russ and Mark’s friend Liana?
Carrie: no.
Kiri: oh, well she’s
a friend of Mark and Russ’ and she
actually lives down in San Diego
now.
Carrie: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie:
I heard about her.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I heard about her.
Kiri: oh what did you hear?
Carrie: I think I remember……I
don’t know, I used to remember
hearing…..did you tell me about
her, Russ?
Russ: ahh
yeah.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: yeah.
Carrie: it was a really long
time ago but I remember…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: when you said that, it
kind of brought it back to my
memory.
Kiri: yes she's
the one that managed to break
down Mark's
barriers temporarily.
Carrie: well that’s not bad if
you can do that.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: my phone battery's
dying.
Kiri: oh it is?
Carrie: can you hear it?
Kiri: no
it sounds fine, it’s buzzing a
little.
Carrie: it’s beeping.
Kiri: oh, how much longer does
that allow you?
Carrie: Hell I don’t know, I’ve
talked for hours on it.
Kiri: oh.
Carrie: and then it just
eventually cuts you off.
Kiri: uh-huh. well
that's good, that’s
good. Now, your instinctual
drives that you’re having at the
moment.
Carrie: uh-huh.
Kiri: let me rephrase that, your
horniness.
Carrie: well
I’m kind of laying low on it.
Kiri: but it keeps on bugging
you every so often.
Carrie: yeah,
well.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I think my marital vows
right now are overriding
my sexual vows.
Kiri: oh.
Carrie: it is just an emotional
thing I guess.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: that you go through.
Kiri: yeah.
Carrie: yeah, you and your
partner when you’re pregnant and
I’m respecting that right now
because I went through it the
first four months.
Kiri: oh yeah, yeah.
Carrie: you know?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: to
where you’re scared and
you don’t know and you’re
unsure……
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: and it just kind of
ruins the whole thing so……
Kiri: yeah.
Carrie: we're
just kind of laying low and....
Kiri: okay, we’re going to kick
Russ out now, send him
downstairs to do some reading.
Russ: what?
Kiri: bye Russ.
Carrie: I don’t know how much
longer we can talk though….
Kiri: well that’s why
we’re going to hustle up and
Russ is going…..he’s putting his
finger under his chin and going
Phhtt at me. What does that
mean?
Carrie: have
him tell you later.
Kiri: oh, okay. Well okay, now
we're going to deal with the
problem that you might be able
to help with.
Carrie: uh-huh.
Kiri: and that’s the fact that
Karra wants to get pregnant
again with somebody else’s baby.
Carrie: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s to do with
the gene pool.
Carrie: oh.
Kiri: uh-huh and she’s…..well
she's
not having problems with it,
it’s more along the lines of the
prospective father’s having
problem with the idea.
Carrie: why?
Kiri: because he’s a third
dimensional Earth
male that knows Russ very well.
Carrie: oh okay, I got it.
Kiri: uh-huh. Now what's your
suggestions is? He’s
going to hear this.
Carrie: he is going to hear
this?
Kiri: well Russ might or might
not but the prospective father
will.
Carrie: give him a bottle of
tequila.
Kiri: he doesn’t drink very
much.
Carrie: damn,
it
always works here.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: actually, I think that’s
what got me pregnant.
Kiri: hey, if it works, use it.
Carrie: yeah……..oh God. So he’s
not okay with this huh?
Kiri: well
he’s being very third
dimensional about the whole
entire thing.
Carrie: really?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I wonder why?
Kiri: I don’t know, he’s very
sixth dimensional in most things
but in this he’s being very
stubborn and third dimensional.
Carrie: but he knows this is
for……
Kiri: the gene pool and
everything but he says that,
what’s his comment when I asked
him about it? He said that, “it
has to be more than just a
physical exercise.”
Carrie: really?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: wow.
Kiri: he’s very controlled and
British in breeding.
Carrie: very unique.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: most of them down here
aren't
like that.
Kiri: well he’s a very
principled individual is Mark.
Carrie:
wow.
Kiri:
very
honor bound and I think it’s
because he has a lot of respect
for Russ and a lot of respect
for Karra that I think he wants
to but he won’t let himself.
Carrie: is Russ okay with it?
Kiri: Russ is reasonably okay
with it, he understands the
reasons better than Mark appears
to.
Carrie: and all three of them
can’t really sit down and talk
about it.
Kiri: no because Mark’s liable
to get embarrassed and just walk
away.
Carrie: hmm. I would think that
would be the solution is for all
three to sit down and talk about
it and really find out what’s
really going on because with
everything that he’s learned
from you guys, you wouldn’t
think that he would be that way.
Kiri: no, I didn’t think he was
going to be that way. We gave
him the opportunity last week
and as far as they got was a
little bit of polite
conversation and a bit of pecking
and that was it.
Carrie: huh.
Kiri: it may be something that
just takes time.
Carrie: yeah, but how much time
does she have?
Kiri: all the time in the world,
it’s more along the lines of how
much time does he have.
Carrie: why do you say that?
Kiri: well he’s a third
dimensional male.
Carrie: oh God, they can
reproduce til they’re 90.
Kiri: yeah but you know what men
are like.
Carrie: yeah, yeah I do.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: huh.
Kiri: oh well, we’ll figure out
something and maybe you could
write something in a letter.
Carrie: yeah
well yeah, let me sleep on it
for a while and see. Maybe I can
think of…..I don’t know…..but with
all of us, maybe we can figure
out something.
Kiri: yeah that would be nice.
Carrie: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Carrie: I mean I can……I don’t
know.
Kiri: yeah,
hmm okay, we’ll call Russ back
into the room now.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay,
he’s coming back up the stairs.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: and we’ll have some fun
with him when he comes back up.
Carrie: what are you going to
do?
Kiri: ahh, follow my lead.
Carrie: okay.
Kiri: if he ever gets up the
stairs. You can come back now
Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carrie:
you guys move the
magic room?
Kiri:
well
kind of
but as I
was saying, anyway you know
what men are like.
Carrie: oh yeah.
Kiri:
they’re such animals.
Carrie: yeah they are.
Kiri:
but they have their uses.
Carrie: yeah sometimes…..maybe.
Kiri:
he’s doing the typical male
thing, turning his back on us
and pretending to work on
something.
Carrie: (laughs)
Kiri:
okay, well all three of us are
going to group together now,
okay here we go.
(Karra, Kiri
and Tia all gather in
the channeling
field to talk to Carrie)
Karra:
hello.
Carrie: hello.
Karra:
we’re back.
(Tia
says hello in Durondedunn)
Tia:
hey sister mind.
Carrie: well hi.
Tia:
hey, okay we’re going to wrap
this up
because we don’t want to run
up their telephone bill too
much......
Carrie: yes.
Tia:
although they can handle it.
Carrie: it will be a while until
I get to talk to you guys
because we're not going to
have a telephone for a little
while.
Tia:
that’s okay, that’s
understandable and there’s
always pen and paper.
Carrie: yeah, I got to train
myself to do that.
Tia:
uh-huh, and we'll
train them to write to you as
well.
Carrie: oh but that will be
the day. I would get a letter
from you guys before I would
from them.
Tia:
well Mark’s written to you
once.
Carrie: yeah he
did.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Carrie: yep, he did. Russ,
yeah right.
Tia:
he
still got his back to us, he’s
pretending to work on
something.
Russ:
I am working on something.
Carrie: uh-huh
sure.
Tia:
sure, sure, sure. Okay, we'll
wrap up here….
Karra:
and we’ll see you later.
Carrie: I love you guys, I’m
glad that you called.
Karra:
we’re glad that we could bring
joy and happiness to your
life.
Carrie: oh you always do, you
know that.
Kiri:
yeah.......
Carrie: I’ll keep you informed
on the baby.
Kiri:
uh-huh and the other little
project as well.
Carrie: yeah.
Kiri:
yeah,
see if we can
come up with some idea on
that.
Carrie: yeah.
Kiri:
uh-huh.
Carrie: right.
Karra:
yes and I…..
Carrie: and don’t worry Russ,
even though I can’t
communicate with words or
telepathically with a child,
there is a bonding there.
Russ:
I got
a suggestion for you
sweetheart.
Carrie: what?
Russ:
remember that tape I made for
you guys that was for your
trip back home?
Carrie: yes.
Russ:
road music?
Carrie: yes.
Russ:
or whatever that was?
Carrie: the one that put me to
sleep? Yeah.
Russ:
yeah, that’s the one. Play
that for the little monster,
she’ll love it.
Carrie: okay, I will.
Karra:
okay.
Carrie: okay.
Karra:
so we will see you later and
thank you for your input.
Carrie: you’re welcome.
Kiri:
okay, see later there…..
Carrie: I’ll try to be a
bigger help though.
Kiri:
oh, you’re always a wonderful
help.
Carrie: okay, I love you guys.
Kiri:
love you lots.
Carrie: take care.
Tia:
bye sister mind.
Carrie: okay.
Tia:
(says goodbye in Durondedunn)
Carrie: bye.
Karra:
bye.
Carrie: bye.
Kiri:
bye.
Carrie: bye.
Russ:
good night dear, have a good
one babe.
Carrie: hey, you too.
Russ:
all right bye.
Carrie: bye you guys.
(Carrie
hangs up)
Kiri:
okay, that’s better.
Russ:
I still think she ought to
start thinking of girl’s names
though.
(she
would eventually have a girl)
Kiri:
shh.
Russ:
shh?
Karra:
she already has a
girl’s name picked out.
Kiri:
she does? What is it? Oh I
know.
Russ:
then what are you asking for?
Tia:
no, Karra was asking, I know
what it is and
I’m honored and delighted.
Russ:
yes.
Tia:
Tia Brianna.
Kiri:
what?
Tia:
what?
Russ:
it’s nothing, it’s just funny
how things go full circle.
Tia:
uh-huh, okay.
Russ:
because I know you two have
had a life or
two together, at least one
life that I know of for sure.
Tia:
well Carrie and myself?
Russ:
uh-huh.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
it kind of funny to watch
everything coming
around again.
Tia:
yeah, my sister mind.
Russ:
uh-huh.
Tia:
uh-huh.
(Tia gets the
real session going now)
Tia:
okay let’s get down to
business.
Russ:
okay. This evening we're
working on 'Dune'
and all that it includes.
Tia:
ahh yes, 'Dune'.
Russ:
now mostly Karra’s been
briefed on all this fun stuff
that we’re working on tonight.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
but…..
Tia: and
she’s being tickled again.
Russ:
uh-huh. So who do you want to
go first?
Tia:
well I’m online, they’re
tickling each other.
Russ:
okay, then we’ll go with you
then sweetheart.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
since I have to go to into
gray areas here in the first
part of the thing anyway, I
might as well go with
you.
Tia:
oh okay.
Russ:
you’re the most fun to deal
with the gray areas.
Tia:
why?
Russ:
because you never answer my
questions.
Tia:
oh okay.
Russ:
I always like your answers.
All right now, did anybody
brief you about this stuff?
Tia:
no.
Russ:
oh good. Okay, in 'Dune',
part of the story through most
of the books revolve around
something called the 'Missionaria
Protectiva'.
Tia:
yes?
Russ:
and how that works is that
various as they’re called 'Bene Gesserit'….
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
you saw the movie right?
Tia:
no.
Russ:
no? Well various
'Bene
Gesserit' help
get planets prepared for a
future which could be
millennia later of helping out
one of their sisters by
planting religions.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
that they then foster and let
grow until some day the
religions take a life of their
own when one of their sisters
needs help in some way or
another.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
one of the points that came up
in this is well just how does
Ashtar Command work in a
similar capacity?
Tia:
I don’t know, you’re probably
walking into a gray area.
Russ:
well I knew I’d
walk into a gray area, of
course I did. I wouldn't
ask you otherwise.
Tia:
I don’t know the workings of
Ashtar Command that well to be
able to say that is what it
does or doesn’t do. It
more seems like it nudges and
coaches and opens up
possibilities.
Russ:
okay, well let’s take
Durondedunn.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
and Durondedunn, with its
various religions and all,
perfect place to plant a
religion and let it grow don’t
you think?
Tia:
uh-huh. It never
occurred to me
before.
Russ:
what
about the
goddess?
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
I mean here on earth we had a
couple goddess religions but
they died out.......
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
very
early. Whereas
on yours,
they were shunned a little bit
for a while and were outcasts
but then it came
back into full force as it is
now.
Tia:
yeah.
Russ:
okay, well it seems to me that
that is something that could
really work in its favor.
Tia:
well I think that’s because
you are patriarchal society
and we're a
matriarchal society. It would
be self-evident that you would
have your male God or gods and
we have our female goddess or
goddesses.
Russ:
hmm, maybe that's why
our God is always
expressed as a male?
Tia:
I have noticed that but our
goddess is always referred to
as either she or the goddess.
Russ:
so it’s a similar thing?
Tia:
yes, it’s self-evident.
Russ:
it’s not a gender undefined,
it’s a gender specific God or
goddess correct?
Tia:
uh-huh, yes correct, which
is natural for a less evolved
minds.
Russ:
uh-huh.
Tia: from
what I’ve
learned of the
Sirian religions, is that they
have a he and a
she and at the very top is an
undetermined gender.
Russ:
right, a voice
that is
neither male nor female, loud
or soft.
Tia:
uh-huh, perfect balance.
Russ:
uh-huh and I’m just wondering
though, how much religion ever
gets seeded and how much as it
gets basically just put
there naturally and
I’m not going to go into that
because they're in gray areas
but just a curiosity.
Tia:
yeah,
out of curiosity, I would say
that it is probably seeded but
not deliberately. On your
planet it was probably derived
from the Sirian religions.
Russ:
well there's also
that and then also we have of
course the extraterrestrial
visitors.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
and then of course we have again
the devas.
Tia:
correct.
Russ:
so in all of that, it produces
quite a variety of religions,
why you can’t nail it down to
just one? Whereas
on Sirius, it’s pretty
basically just one primary
religion.
Tia:
that’s correct.
Russ:
and on Durondedunn, one
primary religion.
Tia:
no there are minor religions.
Russ:
right but primary.
Tia:
well primary on your planet,
there is one religion,
Christianity.
Russ:
that’s sort of
true.
Tia:
sort
of true, what do you
mean?
Russ:
well the Muslim religion I
hear has got more or at least
as many as the
Christian religion does.
Tia:
yeah but they have Allah and
who is Allah?
Russ:
right.
Tia:
it has Allah…..
Russ:
I see.
Tia:
one God who is the same as
that Judaeo
God who is in turn is the same
as the Christian God. If
you read Abraham, you will see
that there is Ishmael who is
the son that splits off and
founds the Muslim religion.
Russ:
hmmm.
Tia:
you see?
Russ:
uh-huh, but
doesn’t get dealt with in the
Bible at all?
Tia:
no but there is just that
hint.
Russ:
hmm.
Tia:
you see? And in the Bible, the
Judeo religion goes on to
become the Judeo-Christian
religion.
Russ:
what about the sons of
Cain…...
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
who traveled off into lands
and weren’t
heard from again?
Tia:
I don’t know, I didn’t read
your Bible. They
could be other religions,
they
could be the Babylonian
religion, they
could be the Mesopotamian
religion, who knows?
Russ:
okay. All right
next question.
The
subject comes up of the
saying, “control yourself
before you can control
others”.
Tia:
uh-huh.
Russ:
this goes back to a
basic leadership quotation and
that comes from just basically
learning how to being in
control of yourself, you can
then variate the controls you
have over someone else and
what they would go through
because you’re familiar with
yourself.
Tia:
correct. I mean Mark’s a good
example of being in control of
himself.
Russ:
uh-huh.
Tia:
almost painfully in control
and when he’s not in control,
he’s totally out of of his
league, doesn’t know what’s
going on, gets very nervous
and jumpy and silly. Have you
noticed that?
Russ:
uh-huh.
Tia:
and that’s because he's
no longer in control.
Russ:
hmmm.
Tia:
and it’s
something outside of his
influence. So to
look at that, you’d have to
say that Mark is a good
example of that.
Russ:
well
the question comes up because
I’m a very bad example of
that.
Tia:
because you have no control.
Russ:
but I lead others almost
better than Mark does.
Tia:
hmm, I doubt that actually.
Mark’s employees come to him
whenever they need help
whereas they don’t go running
to the other supervisor or the manager,
they
go to Mark.
Russ:
well
so do my employees.
Tia:
yes but they approach you more
with a suggestion of what they
should do. “Do you think this
is the right thing for me to
do?” Whereas Mark’s employees
will go up to him from what
I've seen and say, “look, I’ve
got a problem, what do I do?”
Russ:
so it’s not a question of
who’s better of course but
it’s just……
Tia:
different styles.
Russ:
different styles, correct.
Tia:
uh-huh, but Mark leads I would
say without trying
to be biased, much better. He
directs and leads whereas you
more along the line of say,
"follow me".
Russ:
hmm. So two different styles
but they both achieve the same
end.
SIDE ONE ENDS
|
SIDE TWO
(Tia finishes up
her thought before moving on)
Russ: hmm, okay.
Tia: sometimes Mark has almost twice
as many as he normally has under him. He uses the
parking people for crowd control and they do exactly
as he tells them to. He’s totally in control of that
group and in turn, being in control of that group,
he’s in control the one or two hundred people that
are trying to get on the buses.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: is that not control for you?
Russ: true, true.
Tia: and in turn, has he not learned
how to control himself to control others?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: could you handle that kind of
crowd?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: be totally in control?
Russ: uh-huh, with practice.
Tia: yes but Mark just does it.
Russ: well yeah, he's had practice.
Tia: uh-huh, lots of practice so
therefore you can’t say that you two are totally
different styles.
Russ: true, well we work well
together, that’s all that counts.
Tia: uh-huh. Mark has I think a little
phrase that he uses that, “a bad order carried out
exactly can be countermanded and corrected, a bad
order carried badly causes chaos.”
Russ: hmm.
Tia: but I’m only paraphrasing. Ask
him what it is some time.
Russ: I will do that.
Tia: I think he, being in control of
himself sets a good example for his employees.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Tia: something I have difficulty with
sometimes is my crew of 12. But not being sure
sometimes.
Russ: so you’re like manager like I
am?
Tia: no, worse probably. The fact that
they do what I tell them to do is great but the fact
that sometimes it’s a debating society……
Russ: about whether he's doing the
right thing or something?
Tia: uh-huh. I just turn around and
say, “orders is orders from above.” Then I start
swearing in Durondedunn and I've learned that if I
start swearing in Durondedunn, they've figured out
that I’m in a bad mood so they just do what I tell
them to do which isn't a good way to lead.
Russ: no I can’t do it that way.
Tia: did the power does fluctuate?
Russ: yeah, it just flucuated.
Tia: hmm.
Russ: should be fun. Lots of really
heavy snow up there getting on the power lines and
trees and stuff.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay.
Tia: okay, next question.......yes?
Russ: this is a question that I was
going to ask Lyka but I’ll ask you.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: because it’s in a similar vein
for both of you and that is, in this particular book
that I was reading, the 'Bene Gesserit',
I guess you could call them nuns maybe? But like
with a real like political, military arm?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: all right.
Tia: like the Jesuits on your planet.
Russ: yeah I guess so.
Tia: which I think is by simple
deduction where the idea comes from. The Jesuits at
one time were very political, very powerful and
controlled armies.
Russ: oh did they?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: oh, I never followed that part
of history. Okay now with them, they have a
statement saying that, “they flow like water and
fill every place.” Now you know with Ashtar Command,
it doesn’t quite work like that.
Tia: no.
Russ: how come?
Tia: because we are so few or they are
so few.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: I mean if we were to have people
on every planet controlling every facet then A, we
would take away the choices and the learning
experience and the potential. We would be directing
and pointing you in the direction that we wanted you
to go in.
Russ: the reason I ask is because it
sounds very third dimensional.
Tia: yes it is. The way that it sounds
is that they know where they want to go, they know
where they want the planet to be, they know where
the correct nudge will push it in a certain
direction that they want it to go which takes away
choice, takes away the learning, takes away a myriad
of things. By doing it the way that Hades and Ashtar
Bases do it, it gives you the options of going this
way or that way. I mean if things went bad right?
And there was a nuclear war and your planet was
wiped out, became uninhabitable……
Russ: right.
Tia: then that is part of the
learning.
Russ: well now we’ve been told that
were that happen, there’d be this mass evacuation.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: I mean Omal said that.
Tia: yes.
Russ: who would get chosen to go?
Tia: I don’t know, gray area.
Russ: where would they go?
Tia: black area.
Russ: (laughs)
Tia: I thought it was funny actually
when we had Carrie put her hand under her stomach
and she’s holding the phone like this and wanted her
to stick her tongue out, turn her head slightly and
stick her tongue out but instead she laughed which
was even better.
Russ: that did sound pretty neat.
Tia: uh-huh, yes we have a holo now of
it.
Russ: good. All right, now this in the
book sounds very much similar to what you guys go
through and this concerns the process of what are
called 'Gholas',
and these are being people who are rejuvenated from
cells.
Tia: yeah.
Russ: of a person who has gone on or
is living and is just waiting to be reborn into a
body….
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: while its memories are intact
but they have to be reawakened. Now I’m wondering
about the parallels and where Herbert, Frank Herbert
got this stuff?
Tia: you’re asking the wrong person,
having been the end result of such a procedure…..
Russ: which is why I’m asking you.
Tia: I know as much as you know which
is nothing. All's I know is that it was done to me.
I’ve had it explained to me and I don’t understand
it. It involves separating and splitting and all
sorts of things. Words that I couldn't even
comprehend. Mind you at the time I was learning
English and there were really big words that I
couldn't understand.
Russ: did you catch my latest supplement
into the webpage?
Tia: oh, about my arriving
on the sixth dimension?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: you read that?
Tia: no not yet.
Russ: oh, I left some stuff out, put
some stuff in.
Tia: oh, creative editing.
Russ: I judiciously edited where
needed.
Tia: oh.
Russ: I was getting tired and my
fingers were getting tired.
Tia: and you wanted to keep continuity
and…..
Russ: right. There were some things I
was like 'boring', clip.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: just let the tape run a little
bit.
Tia: yeah but I do know what you mean
about the boring parts, some of it is quite boring
listening to it.
Russ: well sitting here talking to
you, you can’t design a session to be word for word
put on tape.
Tia: oh hell no.
Russ: I mean God….
Tia: okay, on that note, I will go and
separate the two playful beings.
Russ: okay.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Karra's back to talk to just
me now)
Karra: hello.
Russ: hi darling.
Karra: how are you going?
Russ: oh I'm just teasing Tia.
Karra: yes I noticed.
Russ: you know, it gets a little slow
sometimes in these sessions.
Karra: yes, she was teasing you too.
Russ: oh well, it's just probably part
of that past life we
had.
Karra: uh-huh. Well, this
week you’re out of luck.
Russ: starting your period are
you girl?
Karra: yes I am, starting probably
in about an hour or two.
Russ: ooh...you have it timed
that well huh?
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: hmm not bad.
Karra: now there is something
else that we need to discuss.
Russ: yes my
sweetheart?
Karra: now honesty
time.
Russ: okay.
Karra: I need to get pregnant again
for the gene pool.
Russ: okay.
Karra: that’s acceptable with you?
Russ: I thought you already did?
Karra: it wasn’t consummated.
Russ: why not?
Karra: because he behaved very third
dimensionally. We got to necking and kissing and
cuddling and he says that there has to be more to it
than just a physical need.
Russ: hmm, well you know I approve, I
don’t mind at all.
Karra: and then there’s the other side
of the coin.
Russ: ahh what’s that?
Karra: you'll have to impregnate
either Kiri or Tia and I don’t think Tia’s…
Russ: I don’t think Tia’s going to
work because Tia doesn’t get pregnant for another
five years.
Karra: another three or two, she just
told me.
Russ: oh.
Karra: but Tia said that it wouldn’t
work anyway.
Russ: why not?
Karra: she swore an oath of bonding.
Russ: oh, well of course.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and also I wouldn’t want to
anyway, Mark's a little too attached
to Tia in my opinion.
Karra: Tia’s just gone, “well why
not?”
Russ: because of Mark.
Karra: she goes, “am I
not attractive, am I not beautiful?”
Russ: well okay let’s put it this way,
we have a bit of a past that we'd have to work out
first.
(her, Mark, Kiri, Karra and myself had shared a past
life in Atlantis)
Karra: yes, yes. I do understand.
Karra: but the thing is, why would you
not make love to Tia?
Russ: well because like I say,
there’s.........I wouldn’t mind but I
have a feeling that she would have a problem with
it.
Karra: now reverse that, and
apply it to me. Now you see the problem.
Russ: ahh. Well, I’ll go
knock up Kiri.
Karra: that’s a foregone conclusion.
Russ: (laughs)
Karra: and as you two have made love
before…..
Russ: oh yeah, no problem there.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: we’re pretty compatible I would
say.
Karra: yeah but the time’s
not right for Kiri.
Russ: no but it will be.
Karra: with the spacing
of our children, the time is right.
Russ: hmm great.
Karra: uh-hmm.
Russ: well I hope I'll
be the father I always am.
Karra: well you will be the father,
it's just that the fact the genes won't
be yours.
Russ: well that’s fine.
Karra: uh-hmm.
Russ: you've
explained gene pools to me
enough where I could
go swimming every day.
Karra: yes (chuckles),
but it is important that……
Russ: of course it is.
Karra: uh-huh. Now Kiri discussed it
with Carrie, I don’t know why she kicked
you out.
Russ: ahh.
Karra: but she was like.....oh
I understand, because she wanted just Carrie's
input without your comments.
Russ: as if I would comment.
Karra: yes you would.
Russ: of course I would.
Karra: uh-huh…that’s why
she did it…..okay, now on to other things.
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: okay, time to
relax you know, getting uptight again.
Russ: I didn’t think I've
been that uptight.
Karra: yes you have.
Russ: have I?
Karra: uh-huh. You’re coiled like
spring even now, even the
tone of your voice, “have I?” tells me that
you’re uptight again. Also the fact I see it in your
aura.
Russ: okay.
Karra: uh-huh. Let your hair down, be
you.
Russ: it's probably these
books I'm reading.
Karra: uh-huh, making you
very serious.
Russ: well it’s preparing me.
Karra: yeah, but tell you what.
Russ: huh?
Karra: when you finish that one,
lay off them for a week.
Russ: oh I'm definitely
going to lay off.
Karra: yeah, just for a week.
Russ: I am.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: but you have to…..I mean you of
all people.
Karra: yes I know it is the
preparation and the knowledge and the information
that you're questing for which is
wonderful.
Russ: of course. I mean if I’m
uptight, it’s just because of the
seriousness of the matter that were dealing with
here.
Karra: yes I do know what you mean.
Russ: what are they doing?
Karra: oh I’m just being tickled and
having my toes sucked by a feather
and Tia's sucking
my toes. Well more licking
actually, I didn’t realize her tongue was
quite that rough.
Russ: all right, on to other things
then.
Karra:
okay.
Russ:
sorry for the
uptightness but like I say….
Karra: oh that’s all right. Yes I had
to point it out to you because I didn't
want you to get to the point of stomach pains again.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: all right, other memories.
Karra: okay.
Russ: we were discussing this
as well......we were going
over this.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and how in the book, it’s a 'Bene
Gesserit' thing to depend on memories
that have been passed down life to life when
you go through the spice agony.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: now you have past lives……
Karra: yes.
Russ: which you can draw
upon.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: are those similar to the
regressions I do?
Karra: yes, very much so apart from I
think for example, broken arm, bone’s
sticking out, I already
know how to do it but let’s say I didn’t know how to
do it.......
Russ: okay.
Karra: right? It’s the first time I’ve
come across an arm with a bone sticking out
that
I
would think, “hmm” and I would visualize it
which would key in the
memory and I’ll go, “ahh, that’s how I
fixed it!!”
Russ: hmm.
Karra: I know there’s pain there, that
person suffering horribly, “hmm” and I
would look for another image that would tell me how
to do it without pain. For example, stress fractures.
That
is my learning lesson, it
is a new thing for me.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: and the fact that it is myself
that
has it makes it harder. I’ve never come across
stress fractures before. Normally they're clean
breaks. Stress fractures normally happen when a lot
of pressure is applied continuously. It’s like a
branch that you keep on bending it and bending it
and finally what happens?
Russ: it breaks.
Karra: yes but it breaks in
fibers but just before the point of it breaking.
Russ: oh.
Karra: so that is a new experience for
me.
Russ: well they fixed
the knee just fine.
Karra: oh yeah but I think I could do
it myself if I didn’t have my mental block.
Russ: hmm, why do you have
a mental block though?
Karra: because it reminds me.
Russ: not to do it again?
Karra: yeah it reminds me of other
things, things that we don’t dwell on.
Russ: of course.
Karra: such as that song.
('He’s
Gone' by the Grateful Dead. An
experience of emotional trauma from
earlier in her life and her
connection to me makes it so I can't play that song as it
makes her cry even to this day)
Russ: yes. Now in the book, the other
memories described there are sometimes like what
you’re talking about but more often than not, it’s
actual voices.....
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: in your head.
Karra: oh yes, I hear the voices too,
the voices are part of it. For example, let us say I
come across somebody that has hemorrhaging in the
intestines right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: and I will
hear a doctor telling me how to fix the hemorrhaging
of intestines but I never, when I went to become a
medic, I never had to deal with it. When
we do the training, it's more
along the lines of learning how to use the
equipment, learning how to put the bandages on,
learning how to put the ointment, use the crystal
correctly, the rest of it is
already within us as healers. The fact of using
energy to align the bones in a break so that it
meshes nicely and then getting the
energy flow going whilst we're
wrapping the bandages and
I will hear a voice saying, "in days of old blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah" and it won’t stop
until I finish doing the process.
Russ: what voices do you hear?
Karra: teachers from other lives.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: uh-huh. Sometimes for example,
today you remember that I went off-line briefly?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: we had a young lady that
twisted her ankle and she was in a lot of pain so I
went and dealt with her and I’ve dealt with
twisted ankles hundreds and hundreds of times right?
And I still hear the voice telling me from the
lesson eons ago on what to look for, to make sure
that it is just a twist, that it’s not broken,
how
to manipulate it and put it in the right position
and it was a very distinct, male
voice.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: that’s why when I’m healing
somebody sometimes……remember when we
used to do the healings on Carrie?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: that I would stop.
Russ: right.
Karra: and I would stop in
mid-sentence, I was listening to a voice......
Russ: oh.
Karra: telling me where to proceed
next.
Russ: so kind of like you
talking to me….
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and explaining stuff
that I’m doing.
Karra: that’s correct.
Russ: hmm okay. Now is there a way to
maybe make that occur in third dimension?
Karra: yes…..
Russ: how?
Karra: look within yourself,
visualize.
Russ: and relive the past
lives myself?
Karra: uh-huh but it would
take a long time for me to explain, longer than we
have on tape.
Russ: right.
Karra: in basic form of how it works
is that you would visualize a situation….
Russ: right.
Karra: very similar to the
one that you’re working on. You would look for
similarities and you would see them because it’s a
past life thing. And then you would think, "now what
did they tell me, what
was I told to do, how does this work?" And then you
would hear the voice saying, "the alignment
of the angles has to be proportional to the......"
so on.
Russ: right. Okay, because
this
morning we were working on
something….
Karra: yes?
Russ: what was that? I mean
this morning.
Karra: this morning?
Russ: I was half in and half out.
Karra: I think it was to do with the
aligning of the chakras, no that wasn’t it.
Russ: more like on
the world.
Karra: yeah, it was the aligning of
something.
Russ: it was like making
reality work.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I can't remember the
exact words.
Karra:
yes
it was the aligning of the mind with
what appears to be.
Russ: right, right.
Karra:
uh-huh.
Karra: so basically working
on mentally creating that…
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: which would be coming into
reality.
Karra: correct. Okay, do you
have any more questions dear?
Russ: one more darling.
Karra: okay.
Russ: quote, "This is the
awe-inspiring universe of magic..."
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: "where there are no atoms, only
waves of motions all around."
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: "Here you discard all
belief and barriers to understanding.
You
put
aside understanding itself. The universe cannot be
seen, cannot be heard, cannot be detected any way by
fixed perceptions. It is the ultimate void where no
preordained screens occur upon which forms may be
projected. You have only one awareness
here, the screen of the Magi, imagination. Here you
learn what it is to be human, you are the creator of
order, of beautiful shapes and systems
and organizer of chaos."
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ:
which
explains magic pretty good.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: but also goes in a
little deeper to other things…..
Karra: yes, like astral travel.
Russ: correct and things that you, as
a resident of Hades Base, get a better view of than
I do....
Karra: yes.
Russ: the void of the universe.
Karra: uh-huh. It can be a
great void filled or totally empty and
it’s only I that decides what goes in it.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: you see?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: okay.
Russ: thank you
love.
Karra: see you later hon.
Russ: bye love.
(Due to time constraints, we
come into a session already in progress.)
Kiri: how can I help you guys tonight?
Skip: well, one lady asked me if you
would please watch over her or help her,
her name's Penny. She’s
going to New Orleans to meet a gentleman that she would
like to spend the rest of her life
with.
Kiri: that’s a destiny thing,
that’s a little bit tricky.
Skip: that’s okay, I just thought I’d
mention it.
Kiri: I really can’t watch over
somebody because like you, I'm flesh and blood and
bone and I’m not a spirit form, I’m a real live
functioning.....alien.
John: you got ants in your
pants there girl?
Kiri: uh-huh, I got ants in my pants.
John: yeah, I was going to say, you’ve
got ants in your pants.
Kiri: uh-huh, I don’t wear pants, I
wear a skirt. I wear running
pants from time to time but I don’t wear pants very
often.
Russ: my problem was
addressed on the Internet, people thinking that
sixth dimension means you’re not a form, that you're
a spirit and you wander around in a
ghost-like form.
Kiri: I did address that this time.
Russ: you weren't there that
night, this was another night.
Kiri: no I did mention that I am
physical.
Russ: oh yeah well,
it
was probably another night.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah so I can’t
watch over an individual as much I would love to, I
have my own engineering work but tell her that my
wishes do go with her and I do hope
that everything is successful and to trust
her guides. Her guides are much more aware of
vibrations than people realize and sometimes it’s
just a gut feeling that this isn’t right.
Skip: talking about
guides…..
Kiri: uh-huh. You had that funny
experience didn’t you?
Russ: well tell her.
Skip: no, not really, I was just going
to ask if anything’s happened with the gentleman
that we spoke of before?
Kiri: he’s still alive as far as I know.
Skip: all right, all right. Okay
that’s all I wanted to know.
Kiri: still alive.
Skip: that's the end of
that.
Kiri: I know, but
you do have a guide, you know that don’t you?
Skip: yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, next question.
Judy: at least his mother doesn’t kick
me out of his life yet.
Kiri: no, well mothers are, they still
look after their little ones. I know I’m
protective of my two little monsters. But talking of
little monsters, I'll see if I can get
my little monster to stay awake for a channeling
session.
Judy: with him?
Kiri: yeah. I’ll see if I can get him
to come, It may be a week or two.
Skip: okay.
John: make it two.
Kiri: I’ll see what
I can do. But we will have to probably do
an early channeling session that night.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: okay, now there is little bit of
a problem about next week.
Skip: uh-huh.
Kiri: Mark needs time off from
channeling for a week.
Skip: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. He wanted
to
take two weeks and I say a week only.
We
had a long discussion about it last night and
backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards,
backwards and forwards and finally in
the end he agreed to just a
week off.
Skip: why can’t he have two weeks off?
Kiri: because there are bigger
concerns than just his own.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: the only energy that will be
taken out will be taking is just the
physical moving around and everything.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: uh-huh, okay......
Skip: because he needs a vacation.
Kiri: yeah he does, he’s worked
totally hard for the past what, five years?
Russ: four years.
Kiri: four years. Almost
channeling continually for that time apart from a
little break here and there and those
little breaks are very useful for him.
Skip: that’s tough.
Kiri: uh-huh, it is. I mean for us,
it’s a bit of fun and excitement. For
him, it can be a real chore sometimes.
Skip: same with us here,
it’s fun and excitement for us too but by using
him as the go-between.....
Kiri: uh-huh, well he
comes up here anyway but……
Skip: yeah but that’s still, that’s
tough.
Karra: oh
yeah.
Russ: we used go two times
a week.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: did what?
Russ: two times a week, it used to be.
Skip: holy mackerel….
Russ: Fridays and Tuesdays.
Kiri: uh-huh, poor Mark used to pay a
real price for that. Notice he’s put on a little bit
of
weight since then?
Russ: has he?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ; I guess
so.
Kiri: yeah he’s not so pinched around
the face as he used to be.
Russ: oh true.
Kiri: he
may one day even actually make
it up to his supposed
correct weight, I think not. But in the
meantime, okay so…..
Skip: so he’s taking next week off.
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh, it
will be good for him.
Skip: all right, okay.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: that suits me right down to the
ground.
Kiri: okay, cool.
Russ: yeah I have no problems.
Kiri: okay.
Skip: I’m working.
Russ: I’ve got to transcribe this tape
out anyway.
Kiri: yeah and okay so I will
try and get Leonedies to channel
the week after but it depends if he's
in the mood and is not being so cantankerous
and egotistical and
arrogant. You know what
little ones can be like, little
ones with big minds.
Skip: okay but anyway,
yeah, suits me right down to the ground.
Kiri: okay, any questions for me?
Skip: I asked my question.
Kiri: Judy?
Judy: hmm?
Kiri: I always find that a quick backhand
works for that.
Judy: oh yeah? He’s getting a little
bit big for that. He's bigger than I am.
Kiri: who here likes pain?
Skip: likes what?
Kiri: likes pain.
John: pain.
Skip: nobody.
Kiri: and if you do something wrong
and it's painful, you’re not going
to do it again.
John: well you try not to.
Kiri: yeah.
John: I mean I burn myself at work, I
don’t intentionally ever try and burn myself……
Kiri: no that’s different, that’s an
accident.
Skip: that’s an accident, no we’re
talking about intentionally…..
Kiri: yeah. For example, let me see,
if I was to break a window on purpose then I would
expect to pay the consequences and I would try not
to break that window because I know that paying the
consequences would be painful.
Skip: that doesn’t seem to matter to
this……
Kiri: no it doesn’t. I can’t comprehend……
Russ: what about taking
away privileges?
Skip:
that
doesn't
seem to work with this young
man.
Russ:
that always seem to work with
me........no? Oh.
Kiri: well there is the other option
is that what you do is you take away everything,
clothes everything and just leave them with bed,
sheets, blanket, that’s it and when he
does something good, you give him something
back.
Russ: that’s a Sirian thing,
that’s what they do on Sirius.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Skip: that’s right.
Kiri: it’s a sixth dimensional way,
you take away all privileges.
Russ: I know, Karra gave me that one
in my head one time a long time ago.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: but just now that you said it,
it went clicked in going,
“where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was in
my.......”
Kiri: yeah well you take away
everything and all he has is his bed, that’s it and
if he wants clothes, you give him the
clothes that you want him to wear right?
Russ: yeah, that’s a Sirian deal.
Kiri: and if he does something good,
he gets his drawers back right?. Doesn’t have
anything in it, but he gets his chest of
drawers. If he does something else good, he gets the
clothing that goes in that drawer. And then the next
drawer and the next drawer and so on.
Does something wrong, he loses that particular thing
that he just got. Works great on Sirius.
Russ: yeah it does.
Kiri: because kids like to wear what
they want to wear but if they don’t have any clothes
and you’re the one telling them, "you're
wearing this today."
Russ: yeah, checkered pants with a
paisley shirt.
John: that’s cruel, now you’re getting
to the point of being cruel and unusual.
Kiri: that is cruel and unusual
punishment.
John: yeah but so is Russ.
Kiri: but on Sirius, it works very
well. Now you just remove everything, lock it up so
so that they can’t go and get it. And
when they do that good thing, that they get it back,
the
chest of drawers, then you make a
big hoo haw out of it and that is an incentive that
makes them realize they’ve done something good and
want to do something else good right? But also when
you take that privilege away when they screw up, you
make a big hoo haw out of that so that they remember
that. Now it can be very hard to do but on Sirius it
works very well. I never had anything taken
away, I was a good little girl,
most
of the time.
John: oh that means you didn’t get
caught very often.
Kiri:
that's right.
Russ: well she might go around without
clothes.
(laughter all around)
Kiri: well, what’s wrong with walking
around in a bikini?
Russ: man, set her up
with cases of wine nowadays.
Kiri: uh-huh. I designed all my own
clothes but talking of which, can I ask a favor from
you and Karra?
Russ: sure.
Kiri: can
I store a couple hundred cases over at your place?
Russ: where? We don’t have any room in
our place. We're barely strapped
as it is.
Kiri: I’ll figure out something.
Russ: why don’t you just take one of
the extra rooms that we’ve got in the hallway next
to us?
Kiri: yeah but somebody might
want…..I’ll talk to Karra about it.
Russ: she’s the block manager, there
is about
four rooms left over there.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: wouldn't get something
like four people the on the base
who
want to get rooms.
Kiri: well you never know. But anyway,
yeah that’s the way we do it on Sirius. Our legal
system or law system, we don’t actually have a law
system. If you mess up against society, you’re sent
away for reeducation, you live with that horror, day
after day, week after week, month after month until
you realize that what you’ve done is wrong and you
atone for it. And it’s a reeducation system, you
point out what you’ve done wrong, you live with
those consequences for however long it's
necessary until you learn that that was wrong and
then atone for it.
Russ: it's very effective,
I’ve talked to someone
on Sirius once that was in their penal system.
Kiri: it’s not a
penal system, it’s a correctional facility.
Russ: well I call it a penal system.
Kiri: reeducation facility.
Russ: whatever, I talked to this guy
who was in there because I wanted
to know more about it and the guy was like
totally happy with the system, says it worked great
and he was changing his ways and he realized what
had happened was wrong, the most happy criminal I’ve
ever seen in my life.
Kiri: uh-huh, but you have to remember
one important key, we do read each other’s minds.
Russ: well yeah, there is that.
Kiri: uh-huh, but
only if you want to and if you’ve done something
wrong, you have to let people in to have a
look to examine what you’ve done wrong and they will
only examine that particular thing that you’ve done
wrong. That’s very kind of you young man, we'll
have you domesticated eventually.
John: I’m a sophisticated barbarian, I
mean I am trainable believe it or not.
Kiri: okay, well I’ve been told by Tia
to wrap it up and that would be perfect for Mark
when he gets back.
John: it will be perfect.
Kiri: uh-huh. So we're going
to wrap it up and call it a wrap.
John: oh, I haven’t had a chance to
talk to you in a few weeks.
Kiri: no you haven’t, have you?
John: yeah for a few
weeks actually.
Kiri: okay, what can I do for you bud?
John: oh nothing, I’m just glad I can
participate.
Kiri: oh.
John: and I’m looking forward to the
next time I’ll be able to.
Kiri: yeah.
John: because that’s all relative you
know what I mean?
Kiri: it is all relative.
John: yeah, because of work.
Kiri: yeah.
John: and we are giving Mark next week
off yes?
Kiri: yes, he does need it.
John: a well-deserved
rest.
Kiri: okay……
John: is there anything we could do
for Mark? Maybe do a little barbecue or something
for him?
Kiri: yeah, throw him in a swimming
pool, no he doesn’t swim
does he?
John: oh yeah, that’d scare the
&^%&^% out of him, throw in the lake.
Judy: hot tub.
Kiri: you could probably get some
squirt guns and hose him down.
Skip: I’ll tell you what, I’ll tell
you what........
Kiri: uh-huh?
Skip: can you put in his mind to come
down to my house, my hot tub's fixed?
Kiri: we’ll see what we can do, I
can’t do that as that's unethical.
John: yeah that might be a nice little
thing.
Skip: well okay all right.
Kiri: it's unethical.
Skip: well then make a suggestion to
him.
Kiri: I’ll kick his butt.
Skip: (chuckles ) well that’s little
unethical too isn’t it?
Kiri: actually, I know a way of
getting him to do something, I’ll withhold from him.
Skip: okay, have him come
down to the house because the hot tub's
fixed.
Judy: you can’t get him
down to eat a meal that's cooked by
somebody else, what are you talking about?
Kiri: well you know what Mark’s like,
he doesn’t like the heat apparently.
Skip: only too well.
Kiri: anything over 90
and he suffers, terribly.
Judy: thank you again for the
suggestions.
Kiri: oh, you’re welcome, you're
welcome.
Judy: I can’t say that I can put them
into play because there are other people involved in
the situation. The counselor's involved, two
different ones.
Kiri: well maybe you should try
talking to him about that idea instead of
taking everything away, how about if you take away
one privilege at a time?
Judy: we're kind of sort of doing that
right now and it kind of sort of works
sometimes and kind of sort of
doesn’t.
Kiri: well during time out,
ask him, "how far do you want to go? Do you want to
have absolutely nothing in your room, no posters, no
clothing, no nothing apart from bedding?"
Skip: no radio, no TV.
Kiri: yeah.
Skip: no Walkman.
Kiri: uh-huh. Or what you could do is
as a trial run is one
day when he's out, just
clean out his whole entire room and say to him,
"okay, is this what your room to look like? Because
if you carry on going with having all your
privileges gradually taken away, this is what you're
going to end up with."
And just say to him be in here for an hour
and just leave him alone in there for an hour, tell
him
not come out of the room and to ask himself is that
what he really wants to end up with
and
then help him to put everything back
later on.
Judy: I still have to see what the
counselors have to say about this.
Kiri: yeah.
Skip: okay, yeah.
Judy: I mean the suggestion is
plausible.
Kiri: yeah.
Judy: because he’s got enough junk in
his room to last….
Kiri: yeah, a lifetime.
Judy: yeah, more than that.
Kiri: uh-huh, a juvenile lifetime.
Okay…….
Russ: night Kiri.
Skip: good night baby.
Kiri: good night all.
John: see you.
Kiri: yeah, I’ll be back in two weeks.
John: all right, see you in a couple
weeks hopefully from me.
Judy: see you
(Tia ends the session)
Judy: do you have to have
every other Wednesday off?
John: no they channel every other
Wednesday.
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Judy: I thought that was part of your
schedule?
Russ: hi Tia.
John: ideally but not
necessarily.
Tia: okay, Kiri beat me to it.
Judy: that’s what you’re supposed to
have off?
John: yeah but I mean it’s all
relative.
Tia: yeah. Okay, bye everybody.
John: bye.
Judy: goodbye.
Russ: goodbye.
John: thank you.
Tia: thank you for the
channeling session, see
you all in two weeks.
Russ: night
Tia.
(Tia says goodbye in
Durondedunn)
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