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Archivist Notes: This session recorded back in 1997 is just one of two sessions which make up this podcast. The original tape was missing over twenty minutes of play time which was made up from a tape of a partial session to fill in the rest to our great benefit as it involves how the population of sixth dimensional Sirius deal with those who break the law. To get the night going though, a phone call with our good friend Carrie back East takes up the bulk of side one.

   Tia begins things as the call with Carrie has just connected but the session time had slipped her mind. Not a problem for Tia of course who jumps right in asking about how her pregnancy was coming along and about some dreams that Carrie had been having.  Karra, nurse and many times a mother, goes over the pregnancy with Carrie and recalls back to the hard time Tia went through when the Cubs were born. She ends her conversation by getting Carrie to pose for a holo to remember the occasion. Kiri maintains the theme of discussing Carrie's pregnancy before kicking me out of the room to ask her for help in their efforts to expand the gene pool of Hades Base. All the girls get into n expanded channeling field so that they can say goodbye to Carrie before she hangs up. Tia at that point reveals the name Carrie has picked out for a daughter and the honor she feels from that choice. Things turn to all things "Dune" at that point with the correlations found between the world's religions and those of other worlds. The tape ends with a discussion that veers off topic momentarily onto management styles.

    On side two, Tia's continuation of her discussion leads to a discussion of how Ashtar Command lets us learn on our own without interfering which leads to the theoretical scenario where the earth becomes uninhabitable. That brought up the question of what Ashtar Command would do prior to that happening. The topic of "Dune" came back to the process that brought Tia from the third dimension to her arrival in the sixth. It's a fascinating tale that merges destiny and determination which brought together the fates of the three triple souls, Mark, Tia and Kiri. Karra comes on next with one of her most detailed examples of how she can draw upon her past lives to assist her with healing or any problems she faces. She also answers on how we could do the same on the third dimension. Because the tape ran out there, the remainder of a shorter session has been spliced in to make up the required length. In it, Kiri has come on and confirms due to a question that she and the other residents of the sixth dimension are flesh and blood as we are and in a related matter, informs us Mark needs a break due to his need to rest his flesh and bones. A discourse on the discipline of an individual on the third dimension transitions to an eye-opening revelation of how criminals are dealt with in the sixth dimension, a place lacking in lawyers, judges or even a legal system.

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3.)(16:21)- Kiri and Carrie go over a laundry list of challenges that face women in pregnancy before they discuss getting Karra pregnant.

4.)(23:39)- Karra, Kiri and Tia wrap up the phone call while I correctly guess that Carrie will be having a girl afterwards.

5.)(31:00)- Tia finishes up side two with a fascinating conversation regarding the religions of "Dune", Earth, Sirius and Durondedunn.


2.)(8:31)- Karra gives us an insider's view of how someone with total recall of their past lives can use those to assist with the healing of others.

3.)(22:33)- Kiri let's us know Mark needs a week off prior to going into how without any legal system, criminals on the sixth dimension are reeducated back into society.

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Duration: 36:17 min. - Filetype: mp3



(Tia is already on the phone with Carrie who is laughing.)

Russ: I don't believe this, oh my God.

Carrie: I'm sorry.

Russ: I guess.

Carrie: I did, I was laying in bed and I hear the phone ring and went, "oh %&*^*".......

Russ: no kidding.

Carrie: Mike said "what?" And I said, "they were calling for a session tonight," I totally forgot.

Tia: well you would have been up in about an hour and a half anyway.

Carrie: hour and a half?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: why? To go to the bathroom?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: but see, I've learned to do that with my eyes closed.

Tia: ohhhhh.

Carrie: I can do that with my eyes closed now.

Tia: well you have a clear pathway right way through to the bathroom now huh?

Carrie: oh yeah. "Here honey, I'll shut the door." Y
eah I have a bad cramp in my hip that I canít get rid of and it hurts so bad.

Tia: in your head?

Carrie: in my hip.

Tia: oh in your hip?

Carrie: thatís why it took me so long to get to the phone.

Tia: oh.

Carrie: not walking very well.

Tia: well hobbling around, what should we call you, Hopalong Cassidy?

Carrie: oh funny.

Tia: (blows a raspberry.) so howís my sister mind doing with her dreams?

Carrie: oh God, theyíre weird.

Tia: Iím sorry.

Carrie: they tell me that itís because Iím pregnant but you know.

Tia: well thatís part of it.

Carrie: Iíll make some tea while Iím up, I guess Iím up.

Tia: youíre going to be going to the bathroom in a few.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: youíll be going to the bathroom in a few, backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards.

Carrie: well it doesnít help that I drink water and tea all night and all day but youíre supposed to.

Tia: uh-huh, gotta keep those fluids up young lady.

Carrie: I drink all my milk that Iím supposed to and I drink all of my juices and......

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: God thatís all I do all day long is like I drink all day long.

Tia: well weíre going to have a water baby huh?

Carrie: probably, either that or itís going to hate fluids.

Tia: no, I think it will take after its mother and love tea.

Carrie: yeah but I can only drink a couple types of tea, I can only drink decaffeinated tea and raspberry tea. I can't drink green tea and I canít drink chamomile.

Tia: uh-hmm, how come?

Carrie: because itís a sedative likeÖÖ.

Tia: oh yeah.

Carrie: and it slows down my body functions.

Tia: which slows down the babyís body functions.

Carrie: yeah so it slows down the liver enzymes in the baby.

Tia: ahhh.

Carrie: and so the baby wonít produce the way it's supposed to.

Tia: so you canít drink regular teas.

Carrie: no, no not with caffeine either.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I donít drink any caffeine. Once in a great while Iíll have a pop or something butÖ.

Tia: yeah because youíll have a hyper baby that will keep you awake all night.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: youíll have a hyper baby that will keep you awake all night.

Carrie: yeah.

Tia: doing somersaults.

Carrie: shown a lot of studies that that like caffeine can cause a lot of neurological problems in babiesÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and stuff and they say that like when you drink a lot of caffeine but stillÖ.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: I just keep it to you know my basic food groups and my fruits and vegetables and my tea andÖ..

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and all the good stuff for me soÖ.

Tia: so how are you feeling now?

Carrie: good.

Tia: thatís great.

Carrie: very fat but really good.

Tia: of course, of course you're blooming. I came by the other night when you were sound asleepÖhe he he he.

Carrie: thatís very rare.

Tia: uh-huh. Well it involved some really interesting flying dreams and other dreams.

Carrie: I have some weird dreams and I dream all night long.

Tia: well thatís good.

Carrie: and still, I donít know if the guys told you about the dream that I hadÖÖ

Tia: I was listening intently.

Carrie: oh and I canítÖÖ.I still for the life of me just trying to figure out who that person is. Because it was one of thoseÖÖbecause you can dream about other people.

Tia: oh yes.

Carrie: but it just wasnít, it was different.

Tia: uh-huh, very lucid, very touch, feel, smell, taste sensitive.

Carrie: yeah and I knew the person, it was like there was a connection of some sort.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I just had a feeling that Russ and Mark knew him.

Tia: they probably do, they probably do but canít place him. You know how these guys are like.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. They couldn't even find their own socks if they didnít know where they put them.

Carrie: Iím hobbling to get my tea now.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: so how is everything up there?

Tia: everythingís great up here, weíre very busy.

Carrie: yeah?

Tia: uh-huh. Weíre doing lots of work and things which I canít really talk about but the Cubs are doing great.

Carrie: are they?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: Iíll bet theyíre big.

Tia: oh theyíre getting big, they just had their third birthday back in NovemberÖ..

Carrie: oh geez, already?

Tia: uh-huh and they're full of mischief and play.

Carrie: oh Iíll bet.

Tia: canít stop playing half the time.

Carrie: well thatís what theyíre supposed to do.

Tia: and Iím having somebody throw socks me at the moment.

Carrie: so whoís in the room?

Tia: well thereís Markís body of course, myself, Russ and up here we have Kiri and Karra.

Carrie: tell everybody hi for me.

Tia: oh youíre going to talk to Karra in a few seconds.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: sheís getting ready to channel. Okay, Iím going to put Karra on.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: Iím going to put Karra on, sheís trying to look sensible and serious but sheís being tickled by a feather at the moment.

(Karra gets up to date with Carrie.)

Karra: hello.

Carrie: hi.

Karra: howís it going young one?

Carrie: oh fantastic.

Karra: and we are growing well I note?

Carrie: growing very big.

Karra: uh-huh, oh youíve got more to go yet.

Carrie: I know, thatís the scary thing, I still got three months.

Karra: uh-huh and your aura is radiating beautifully.

Carrie: oh well I hope so, it sure feels like it.

Karra: uh-huh and your stomach area, your belly is radiating its own private little aura.

Carrie: (laughs)

Karra: thatís quite bright at the moment.

Carrie: yeah, well this one I tell you, heís going to be a wild one.

Karra: uh-huh. Have you had a test to see what itís going to be?

Carrie: no, they wonít do it unlessÖ..

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: there's complications.

Karra: or if youíre over a certain age I believe.

Carrie: yeah, yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: well see they did one when I was three weeks to make sure that the baby was where he was supposed to be.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but I kind of feel like itís a he.

Karra: yeah well weíll see.

Carrie: I could be wrong but you know I donít know whyÖI just moreÖI donít knowÖI'm just directed more towards he.

Karra: yeah.

Russ: can you talk to it yet?

Carrie: oh I talk to it all the time.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: does it talk back?

Carrie: no.

Russ: oh.

Karra: yes I understand the feeling very well that you experience on a third dimensional level because that is like the first two trimesters for us.

Carrie: oh really?

Karra: uh-huh and then it develops after that into the mind that it has.

Carrie: hmm. I feel it, I feel it emotionallyÖ..

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I feel the bonding and the connection that this child and I have.

Karra: thatís quite normal at this stage.

Carrie: I donít hear it but I know that the feelings that the baby has.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know like, I tell its temperamentÖÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know like when Iím upset, I can feel the difference in the way the baby kicks orÖ.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: I almost feel itÖ..the you knowÖ uneasiness.

Karra: well thatís perfectly natural for it to be uneasy when youíre upset is that itís feeling your muscles get tense and everything.

Carrie: yeah, well thatís why I try not to get upset too often like that anymore.

Karra: uh-huh and youíre doing very well from what I hear.

Carrie: you know what? Indirectly you know people donít believe that indirectly that youíre affected in the womb.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? But theyíve even taking people back through past life regressions into the womb.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: for the traumatizing you know of the childbirth. I wanted to haveÖoh God, what is it called?

Karra: yeah I know what you mean, one of your last sessions here, you wanted aÖ...

Carrie: water baby.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: yeah but they donít do that here in the United States and I wanted to have a water baby because they say itís less traumatizing for the mother and the baby.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I even watched one on the Discovery Channel.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and this woman in Russia, she had her first two children in the ocean and then her third child, it was too cold to have him in the oceanÖ..

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: so her husband filled up a pool in their front living room and he laid in the water with her while she gave birth and they showed it on TV.

Karra: hmm.

Carrie: and it was so beautiful. I mean it was just so back to nature.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: back to the way, the way it was you know.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: I meanÖ..

Karra: it takes a lot of stress off of the muscles and the baby and itís very relaxing and soothing.

Carrie: well the baby comes out of the water into the water.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? Like whereas here it comes into screaming, doctors and nurses and lights andÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? And cold, cold room.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: thatís why weíre going to have you know I mean itís not the same but weíre going to have like the lights dimmed low andÖÖ

Karra: nice music playing.

Carrie: and weíre going to have Enya playing.

Karra: of course.

Carrie: and they say that you have that optionÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: because that makes it a little bit less stressful on the baby and mother too.

Karra: now remember, you canít have any drugs. If you do, you must play Purple Haze.

Carrie: Purple Haze?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: why?

Karra: well it would be fitting with the drugs and the baby.

Carrie: (laughs) that would suck. I donít know if I want drugs or not. Iíve been doing research on them.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but I donít know if Iíll have a choice or not.

Karra: well Russ saw a movie a while back about a baby being born and the mother had some drugs and she did her impersonation of the movie "Exorcist"?

Carrie: uh-huh.

Karra: while she was getting ready to give birth and then she had the drugs and it was a very mellow experience for her.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Karra: but it took away the learning is my opinion.

Carrie: yeah but sometimes if they donít give you the drugs you can actually go into shock.

Karra: oh yes.

Carrie: you know? I mean I donít know, I really donít know. Okay they showed five different births, Iíve heard many, many storiesÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: Iíve heard lots of women go in and say they want natural childbirth and then once they started into the labor pains they went for an epidural.

Karra: yes but at that point itís really too late.

Carrie: well not really actually now because we talked about that in my last class.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and not really because ofÖÖthereís like......they do have to do it at a certain dilation.

Karra: yes I think itís about 7 cm.

Carrie: yeah but they say if youíre anywhere in between seven to ten it's only going to be like another hour.

Karra: pretty much so, yes.

Carrie: but see I donít know, I mean if they could schedule a C-section for me because my cervix might not be able to handle it.

Karra: uh-huh yeah. Now could you do me a favor? Turn your head slightly, put one hand under your belly and stick out your tongue and go.....(blows a raspberry.)

Carrie: why?

Karra: so that we can take a hologram of you.

Carrie: (laughs) why am I sticking out my tongue?

Karra: Kiriís suggestion.

Carrie: oh. (laughs some more.)

Karra: thatís better, with your head slightly tilted back laughing, thatís better yet. Okay weíve got it.

Carrie: okay. Oh I forgot what I was going to say. Oh, I quit smoking.

Karra: thatís good, yes we notice that the aura around your lung is looking better.

Carrie: I quit smoking on Halloween.

Karra: oh perfect timing.

Carrie: yeah actually itís been that long, it feels really good.

Karra: uh-huh, Iíll bet it feels wonderful.

Carrie: it does, itís nice because then I donít have to worry about hurting the baby.

Karra: and shortness of breath as well.

Carrie: well I do worry about that because I do have it. My lungs are crammed up into my boobs.

Karra: uh-huh but you're doing your breathing classesÖ..

Carrie: my lungs, my stomach, my bladder, everything else. Actually my bladder the kid steps on quite a bit but.....

Karra: yes but I do remember.

Carrie: so I do, I do actually have quite a bit of shortness of breath. My doctor put me back on an asthma inhaler because my asthma got worse too.

Karra: well that is normal and arthritis is also normal.

Carrie: oh well, yeah I have that too.

Karra: yeah but the thing to remember is that not to do any jumping up and down.

Carrie: oh I donít.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: Mike makes sure of that, heís my food and my activity police.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: he is, heís so cute.

Karra: I remember getting called to one of my patients when she was expecting and she was jumping up and down on the bed shouting ďwill you knock it off?Ē She had three little minds that were trying to override her mind and fight at the same time. (Tia during her pregnancy with the Cubs.)

Carrie: thatís not the way to tell them.

Karra: well she was having real problems at the time. But youíre fortunate, youíve got plenty of room in there unlike my one time patient.

Carrie: I can imagine.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes, sheís only little, sheís I think 5í2Ē and having three little babies inside her was a real strain on the poor, young lady.

Carrie: I can imagine that.

Karra: but sheís fine now.

Carrie: Mike thinks Iím moody now.

Karra: well youíre fine, youíre fine. Everything's working fine, youíre getting all your appropriate mood swings and mood interests.

Carrie: yeah actually theyíre not too bad, actually itís been a real soul-searching event for me, my mood swings aren't too bad. If anything, theyíre better than they were though for a while there they were pretty bad.

Karra: well there is one big one that you have to watch out for afterwards.

Carrie: postpartum depression?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: Iíve heard of it.

Karra: yes, and I really canít prepare you that well for it. I would like to be able to take it away from you but you need to learn from it.

Carrie: yeah, wellÖÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: they say that most mothers go through it.

Karra: yeah uh-huh, Iíve been through it. Been through it quite a few times.

Russ: Iíve been through it.

Karra: and I plan to go through it again.

Carrie: uh-huh, I'm sure you have.

Karra: well Russ is getting in touch with his feminine side.

uh-huh, about damn time.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: kicking and screaming all the way might I add.

Carrie: what?

Russ: say kicking and screaming all the way.

Carrie: uh-huh, well donít fight it Russ.

Karra: weíre going to put on the next personÖ..

Carrie: okay.

Karra: and then all three of us will come back at the end together.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: see you later.

Carrie: bye.

(It's Kiri's turn with Carrie now.)

Kiri: yo.

Carrie: hello.

Kiri: dudette.

Carrie: how are you?

Kiri: Iím doing wonderful, and you?

Carrie: good.

Kiri: uh-huh. So howís things going for you?

Carrie: really good.

Kiri: thatís wonderful, wonderful.

Carrie: Iím fat andÖ...

Kiri: no youíre not, well youíre large but you're beautiful.

Carrie: oh thank you.

Kiri: you're absolutely radiant.

Carrie: oh youíre sweet.

Kiri: and remember thatÖ..

Carrie: Iím just glad Iím having this kid in the spring because I can lose the weight in the summer.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: if not, I would be a horrible, depressed mess.

Kiri: well and also the fact being pregnant in hot weather is uncomfortable from I hear.

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: thatís what I've heard too and Iím pretty miserable in hot weather anyways, I canít imagine being pregnant in it.

Kiri: uh-huh. But once youíve had your baby, weíll get you up here and weíll have some fun together, you and I on the astral level okay?

Carrie: havenít we been trying that for years and it's still never happened?

Kiri: weíll see what we can do, weíll see what we can do. It will be like some of the dreams that youíve have recently.

Carrie: Iím getting better.

Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Carrie: Iím getting better.

Kiri: yeah, tell you what Mark ought to do, he ought to print up his how to astral travel thingy and mail that to you.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I used to have a tape but I lost it.

Kiri: well weíll send it to you from the printer.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: okay, send it to the address that I just gave you guys so..

Kiri: and Tiaís jumping up and down mimicking what she did about three years ago, well just over three years ago.

Carrie: what?

Kiri: when she was pregnant.

Carrie: oh was that her?

Kiri: uh-huh, that was her.

Carrie: I kind of figured that when I heard it was three little Cubs and she was 5 foot two.

Kiri: uh-huh, 5 foot two, eyes of blue, strawberry blonde, thatís Tia.

Carrie: tell her donít worry, Iím not going to jump up and down.

Kiri: okay, thatís good, thatís good.

Carrie: I donít I can get my fat body off the ground that far though.

Kiri: well Tiaís very agile and athletic anyway.

Carrie: no, sometimes I catch myself like doing silly things like I think Iím still the inevitable and I can you knowÖ.

Kiri: do anything.

Carrie: climb the ladder andÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: do that stuff and then I catch myself and go, ďoh no, no, no, not good.Ē

Kiri: no, no, no, not good at allÖ.

Carrie: risky judgment.

Kiri: uh-huh, wouldnít be prudent at this juncture.

Carrie: no.

Kiri: no.

Carrie: I'll be able to do it in three months.

Kiri: uh-huh, well youíve got to relax and unwind and be cool.

Carrie: itís been really challenging because of depending on somebody else to do things for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know like I really depend on Mike a lot to do things for me and itís been very challenging and it was hard at first.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: it was really hard you know. I mean I would kick and scream and cry and try to figure out ways of how I could do it before I had to ask him.

Kiri: well youíve always been independent ever since weíve known you.

Carrie: oh yeah well, Iím learningÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: better.

Kiri: now youíre planning on moving to San Diego in the next year or so?

Carrie: uh-huh, in the next two years yeah.

Kiri: next two years. Well that will give you an opportunity to have some experiences.

Carrie: in San Diego?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: Iím looking definitely forward to it.

Kiri: uh-huh, and when the time is right and you decide that the time is right, Tia will help to coach and help to bring me into your mind to help.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: yeah, I can trust that.

Kiri: yeah, well the three of us will work together as a team, make it the best experience for you possible.

Carrie: I canít wait, Iím so looking forward to just getting out of this place.

Kiri: uh-huh, and the sun and the beauty.

Carrie: it might take me a while butÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I have to deal with what I got here and then I can leave.

Kiri: did you ever meet Russ and Markís friend Liana?

Carrie: no.

Kiri: oh, well sheís a friend of Mark and Russí and she actually lives down in San Diego now.

Carrie: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I heard about her.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I heard about her.

Kiri: oh what did you hear?

Carrie: I think I rememberÖÖI donít know, I used to remember hearingÖ..did you tell me about her Russ?

Russ: ahh yeah.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: it was a really long time ago but I rememberÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: when you said that, it kind of brought it back to my memory.

Kiri: yes she's the one that managed to break down Mark's barriers temporarily.

Carrie: well thatís not bad if you can do that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: my phone battery's dying.

Kiri: oh it is?

Carrie: can you hear it?

Kiri: no it sounds fine, itís buzzing a little.

Carrie: itís beeping.

Kiri: oh, how much longer does that allow you?

Carrie: Hell I donít know, Iíve talked for hours on it.

Kiri: oh.

Carrie: and then it just eventually cuts you off.

Kiri: uh-huh. well that's good, thatís good. Now, your instinctual drives that youíre having at the moment.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Kiri: let me rephrase that, your horniness.

Carrie: well Iím kind of laying low on it.

Kiri: but it keeps on bugging you every so often.

Carrie: yeah, well.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I think my marital vows right now are overwriting my sexual vows.

Kiri: oh.

Carrie: it is just an emotional thing I guess.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: that you go through.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: yeah, you and your partner when youíre pregnant and Iím respecting that right now because I went through it the first four months.

Kiri: oh yeah, yeah.

Carrie: you know?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: to where youíre scared and you donít know and youíre unsureÖÖ

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it just kind of ruins the whole thing soÖÖ

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: we're just kind of laying low and you know....

Kiri: okay, weíre going to kick Russ out now, send him downstairs to do some reading.

Russ: what?

Kiri: bye Russ.

Carrie: I donít know how much longer we can talk thoughÖ.

Kiri:  well thatís why weíre going to hustle up and Russ is goingÖ..heís putting his finger under his chin and going Phhtt at me. What does that mean?

Carrie: have him tell you later.

Kiri: oh, okay. Well okay, now we're going to deal with the problem you might be able to help with.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Kiri: and thatís the fact that Karra wants to get pregnant again with somebody elseís baby.

Carrie: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh, itís to do with the gene pool.

Carrie: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh and sheísÖ..well she's not having problems with it, itís more along the lines of the prospective fatherís having problem with the idea.

Carrie: why?

Kiri: because heís a third dimensional earth male that knows Russ very well.

Carrie: oh okay, I got it.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now what's your suggestions is? Heís going to hear this.

Carrie: he is going to hear this?

Kiri: well Russ might or might not but the prospective father will.

Carrie: give him a bottle of tequila.

Kiri: he doesnít drink very much.

Carrie: damn, it always works here.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: actually, I think thatís what got me pregnant.

Kiri: hey, if it works, use it.

Carrie: yeahÖÖ.oh God. So heís not okay with this huh?

Kiri: well heís being very third dimensional about the whole entire thing.

Carrie: really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I wonder why?

Kiri: I donít know, heís very sixth dimensional in most things but in this heís being very stubborn and third dimensional.

Carrie: but he knows this is forÖÖ

Kiri: the gene pool and everything but he says that, whatís his comment when I asked him about it? He said that, ďit has to be more than just a physical exercise.Ē

Carrie: really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: wow.

Kiri: heís very controlled and British in breeding.

Carrie: very unique.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: most of them down here aren't like that.

Kiri: well heís a very principled individual is Mark.

Carrie: wow.

Kiri: very honor bound and I think itís because he has a lot of respect for Russ and a lot of respect for Karra that I think he wants to but he wonít let himself.

Carrie: is Russ okay with it?

Kiri: Russ is reasonably okay with it, he understands the reasons better than Mark appears to.

Carrie: and all three of them canít really sit down and talk about it.

Kiri: no because Markís liable to get embarrassed and just walk away.

Carrie: hmm. I would think that would be the solution is for all three to sit down and talk about it and really find out whatís really going on because with everything that heís learned from you guys, you wouldnít think that he would be that way.

Kiri: no, I didnít think he was going to be that way. We gave him the opportunity last week and as far as they got was a little bit of polite conversation and a bit of pecking and that was it.

Carrie: huh.

Kiri: it may be something that just takes time.

Carrie: yeah, but how much time does she have?

Kiri: all the time in the world, itís more along the lines of how much time does he have.

Carrie: why do you say that?

Kiri: well heís a third dimensional male.

Carrie: oh God, they can reproduce til theyíre 90.

Kiri: yeah but you know what men are like.

Carrie: yeah, yeah I do.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: huh.

Kiri: oh well, weíll figure out something and maybe you could write something in a letter.

Carrie: yeah well yeah, let me sleep on it for a while and see. Maybe I can think ofÖ.I donít knowÖ..but with all of us, maybe we can figure out something.

Kiri: yeah that would be nice.

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I mean I can you knowÖÖI donít know.

Kiri: yeah, hmm okay, weíll call Russ back into the room now.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, heís coming back up the stairs.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: and weíll have some fun with him when he comes back up.

Carrie: what are you going to do?

Kiri: ahh, follow my lead.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: if he ever gets up the stairs. You can come back now Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carrie: you guys move the magic room?

Kiri: well kind of but
as I was saying, anyway you know what men are like.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Kiri: theyíre such animals.

Carrie: yeah they are.

Kiri: but they have their uses.

Carrie: yeah sometimesÖ.maybe.

Kiri: heís doing the typical male thing, turning his back on us and pretending to work on something.

Carrie: (laughs)

Kiri: okay, well all three of us are going to group together now, okay here we go.

(Karra, Kiri and Tia all gather in the channeling field to talk to Carrie.)

Karra: hello.

Carrie: hello.

Karra: weíre back.

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)

Tia: hey sister mind.

Carrie: well hi.

Tia: hey, okay weíre going to wrap this up because we donít want to run up their telephone bill too much......

Carrie: yes.

Tia: although they can handle it.

Carrie: it will be a while until I get to talk to you guys because we're not going to have a telephone for a little while.

Tia: thatís okay, thatís understandable and thereís always pen and paper.

Carrie: yeah, I got to train myself to do that.

Tia: uh-huh, and we'll train them to write to you as well.

Carrie: oh but that will be the day. I would get a letter from you guys before I would from them.

Tia: well Markís written to you once.

Carrie: yeah he did.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: yep, he did. Russ, yeah right.

Tia: he still got his back to us, heís pretending to work on something.

Russ: I am working on something.

Carrie: uh-huh sure.

Tia: sure, sure, sure. Okay, we'll wrap up hereÖ.

Karra: and weíll see you later.

Carrie: I love you guys, Iím glad that you called.

Karra: weíre glad that we could bring joy and happiness to your life.

Carrie: oh you always do, you know that.

Kiri: yeah.......

Carrie: Iíll keep you informed on the baby.

Kiri: uh-huh and the other little project as well.

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: yeah, see if we can come up with some idea on that.

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: right.

Karra: yes and IÖ..

Carrie: and donít worry Russ, even though I canít communicate with words or telepathically with a child, there is a bonding there.

Russ: I got a suggestion for you sweetheart.

Carrie: what?

Russ: remember that tape I made for you guys that was for your trip back home?

Carrie: yes.

Russ: road music?

Carrie: yes.

Russ: or whatever that was?

Carrie: the one that put me to sleep? Yeah.

Russ: yeah, thatís the one. Play that for the little monster, sheíll love it.

Carrie: okay, I will.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: so we will see you later and thank you for your input.

Carrie: youíre welcome.

Kiri: okay, see later thereÖ..

Carrie: Iíll try to be a bigger help though.

Kiri: oh, youíre always a wonderful help.

Carrie: okay, I love you guys.

Kiri: love you lots.

Carrie: take care.

Tia: bye sister mind.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn.)

Carrie: bye.

Karra: bye.

Carrie: bye.

Kiri: bye.

Carrie: bye.

Russ: good night dear, have a good one babe.

Carrie: hey, you too.

Russ: all right bye.

Carrie: bye you guys.

(Carrie hangs up.)

Kiri: okay, thatís better.

Russ: I still think she ought to start thinking of girlís names though. (She would eventually have a girl.)

Kiri: shh.

Russ: shh?

Karra: she already has a girlís name picked out.

Kiri: she does? What is it? Oh I know.

Russ: then what are you asking for?

Tia: no, Karra was asking, I know what it is and Iím honored and delighted.

Russ: yes.

Tia: Tia Brianna.

Kiri: what?

Tia: what?

Russ: itís nothing, itís just funny how things go full circle.

Tia: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: because I know you two have had a life or two together, at least one life that I know of for sure.

Tia: well Carrie and myself?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it kind of funny to watch everything coming around again.

Tia: yeah, my sister mind.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

(Tia gets the real session going now.)

Tia: okay letís get down to business.

Russ: okay. This evening we're working on "Dune" and all that it includes.

Tia: ahh yes, "Dune".

Russ: now mostly Karraís been briefed on all this fun stuff that weíre working on tonight.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: butÖ..

Tia: yeah sheís being tickled again.

Russ: uh-huh. So who do you want to go first?

Tia: well Iím online, theyíre tickling each other.

Russ: okay, then weíll go with you then sweetheart.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: since I have to go to into gray areas here the first part of thing anyway, Iíll just go with you.

Tia: oh okay.

Russ: youíre the most fun to do with gray areas.

Tia: why?

Russ: because you never answer my questions.

Tia: oh okay.

Russ: I always like your answers. All right now, did anybody brief you about this stuff?

Tia: no.

Russ: oh good. Okay, in "Dune", part of the story through most of the books revolve around something called the "Missionaria Protectiva".

Tia: yes?

Russ: and how that works is that various as theyíre called "Bene Gesserit"Ö.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you saw the movie right?

Tia: no.

Russ: no? Well various "Bene Gesserit" help get planets prepared for a future which could be millennia later of helping out one of their sisters by planting religions.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that they then foster and let grow until someday the religions take a life of their own when one of their sisters needs help in some way or another.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: one of the points that came up in this is well just how does Ashtar Command work in a similar capacity?

Tia: I donít know, youíre probably walking into a gray area.

Russ: well I knew Iíd walk into a gray area, of course I did. I wouldn't ask you otherwise.

Tia: I donít know the workings of Ashtar Command that well to be able to say that is what it does or doesnít do. It more seems like it nudges and coaches and opens up possibilities.

Russ: okay, well letís take Durondedunn.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and Durondedunn, with its various religions and all, perfect place to plant a religion and let it grow donít you think?

Tia: uh-huh. It never occurred to me before.

Russ: what about the goddess?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean here on earth we had a couple goddess religions but they died out.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: very early. Whereas on yours, they were shunned a little bit for a while and were outcasts but then it came into full force as it is now.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: okay, well it seems to me that that is something that could really work in its favor.

Tia: well I think thatís because you are patriarchal society and we're a  matriarchal society. It would be self-evident that you would have your male God or gods and we have our female goddess or goddesses.

Russ: hmm, maybe that's why our God is always expressed as a man?

Tia: I have noticed that but our goddess is always referred to as either she or the goddess.

Russ: so itís a similar thing?

Tia: yes, itís self-evident.

Russ: itís not a gender undefined, itís a gender specific God or goddess.

Tia: uh-huh, yes correct. Which is natural for a less evolved minds.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: f
what Iíve learned of the Sirian religions, is that they have a he and a she and at the very top is an undetermined gender.

Russ: right, a voice that is neither male nor female, loud or soft.

Tia: uh-huh, perfect balance.

Russ: uh-huh and Iím just wondering though, how much religion ever gets seeded and how much as it gets basically just put there naturally and Iím not going to go into that because they're in gray areas but just a curiosity.

Tia: yeah, out of curiosity, I would say that it is probably seeded but not deliberately. On your planet it was probably derived from the Sirian religions.

Russ: well there's also that and then also we have of course the extraterrestrial visitors.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and then of course we have again the Devas.

Tia: correct.

Russ: so in all of that, it produces quite a variety of religions why you canít nail it down to just one whereas on Sirius, itís just basically just one primary religion.

Tia: thatís correct.

Russ: and on Durondedunn, it's one primary religion.

Tia: no, there are minor religions.

Russ: right but primary.

Tia: well primary on your planet, there is one religion, Christianity.

Russ: thatís sort of true.

Tia: sort of true, what do you mean?

Russ: well the Muslim religion I hear has got more or at least as many as the Christian religion does.

Tia: yeah but they have Allah and who is Allah?

Russ: right.

Tia: it has AllahÖ..

Russ: I see.

Tia: one God who is the same as that Judaeo God who is in turn is the same as the Christian God. If you read Abraham, you will see that there is Ishmael who is the son that splits off and founds the Muslim religion.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: you see?

Russ: uh-huh, but doesnít get dealt with in the Bible at all?

Tia: no but there is just that hint.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: you see? And in the Bible, the Judeo religion goes on to become the Judeo-Christian religion.

Russ: what about the sons of CainÖ...

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: who traveled off into lands and werenít heard from again?

Tia: I donít know, I didnít read your Bible. It could be other religions. It could be Babylonian religion, it could be the Mesopotamian religion, who knows?

Russ: okay. All right next question. The subject comes up of the saying, ďcontrol yourself before you can control othersĒ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: this goes back to a basic leadership quotation and that comes from just basically learning how to being in control of yourself, you can then variate the controls you have over someone else and what they would go through because youíre familiar with yourself.

Tia: correct. I mean Markís a good example of being in control of himself.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: almost painfully in control and when heís not in control, heís totally out of of his league, doesnít know whatís going on, gets very nervous and jumpy and silly. Have you noticed that?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and thatís because he's no longer in control.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: and itís something outside of his influence. So to look at that, youíd have to say that Mark is a good example of that.

Russ: well the question comes up because Iím a very bad example of that.

Tia: because you have no control.

Russ: but I lead others almost better than Mark does.

Tia: hmm, I doubt that actually. Markís employees come to him whenever they need help whereas they donít go running to the other supervisor or the manager, they go to Mark.

Russ: well so do my employees.

Tia: yes but they approach you more with a suggestion of what they should do. ďDo you think this is the right thing for me to do?Ē Whereas Markís employees will go up to him from what I've seen and say, ďlook, Iíve got a problem, what do I do?Ē

Russ: so itís not a question of whoís better of course but itís justÖÖ

Tia: different styles.

Russ: different styles, correct.

Tia:uh-huh, but Mark leads I would say without trying to be biased, much better. He directs and leads whereas you more along the line of say "follow me".

Russ: hmm. So two different styles but they both achieve the same end.




(Tia finishes up her thought before moving on.)

Russ: hmm, okay.

Tia: sometimes Mark has almost twice as many as he normally has under him. He uses the parking people for crowd control and they do exactly as he tells them to. Heís totally in control of that group and in turn, being in control of that group, heís in control the one or two hundred people that are trying to get on the buses.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: is that not control for you?

Russ: true, true.

Tia: and in turn, has he not learned how to control himself to control others?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: could you handle that kind of crowd?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: be totally in control?

Russ: uh-huh, with practice.

Tia: yes but Mark just does it.

Russ: well yeah, he's had practice.

Tia: uh-huh, lots of practice so therefore you canít say that you two are totally different styles.

Russ: true, well we work well together, thatís all that counts.

Tia: uh-huh. Mark has I think a little phrase that he uses that, ďa bad order carried out exactly can be countermanded and corrected, a bad order carried badly causes chaos.Ē

Russ: hmm.

Tia: but Iím only paraphrasing. Ask him what it is some time.

Russ: I will do so.

Tia: I mean I think he, being in control of himself sets a good example for his employees.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Tia: something I have difficulty with sometimes is my crew of 12. But you know, not being sure sometimes.

Russ: so youíre like manager like I am?

Tia: no, worse probably. The fact that they do what I tell them to do is great but the fact that sometimes itís a debating societyÖÖ

Russ: about whether he's doing the right thing or something?

Tia: uh-huh. I just turn around and say, ďorders is orders from above.Ē Then I start swearing in Durondedunn and I've learned that if I start swearing in Durondedunn, they've figured out that Iím in a bad mood so they just do what I tell them to do which isn't a good way to lead.

Russ: no I canít do it that way.

Tia: did the power does fluctuate?

Russ: yeah, it just flucuated.

Tia: hmm.

Russ: should be fun. Lots of really heavy snow up there getting on the power lines and trees and stuff.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, next question.......yes?

Russ: this is a question that I was going to ask Lyka but Iíll ask you.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because itís in a similar vein for both of you and that is, in this particular book that I was reading, the "Bene Gesserit", I guess you could call them nuns maybe? But like with a real like political, military arm?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: all right.

Tia: like the Jesuits on your planet.

Russ: yeah I guess so.

Tia: which I think it is by simple deduction where the idea comes from. The Jesuits at one time were very political, very powerful and controlled armies.

Russ: oh did they?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, I never followed that part of history. Okay now with them, they have a statement saying that ďthey flow like water and fill every place.Ē Now you know with Ashtar Command, it doesnít quite work like that.

Tia: no.

Russ: how come?

Tia: because we are so few or they are so few.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: I mean if we were to have people on every planet controlling every facet then A, we would take away the choices and the learning experience and the potential. We would be directing and pointing you in the direction that we wanted you to go in.

Russ: the reason I ask is because it sounds very third dimensional.

Tia: yes it is. The way that it sounds is that they know where they want to go, they know where they want the planet to be, they know where the correct nudge will push it in a certain direction that they want it to go which takes away choice, takes away the learning, takes away a myriad of things. By doing it the way that Hades and Ashtar Bases do it, it gives you the options of going this way or that way. I mean if things went bad right? And there was a nuclear war and your planet was wiped out, became uninhabitableÖÖ

Russ: right.

Tia: then that is part of the learning.

Russ: well now weíve been told that you know were that happen, thereíd be this mass evacuation.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean Omal said that.

Tia: yes.

Russ: who would get chosen to go?

Tia: I donít know, gray area.

Russ: where would they go?

Tia: black area.

Russ: (laughs)

Tia: I thought it was funny actually when we had Carrie put her hand under her stomach and sheís holding the phone like this and wanted her to stick her tongue out, turn her head slightly and stick her tongue out but instead she laughed which was even better.

Russ: that did sound pretty neat.

Tia: uh-huh, yes we have a holo now of it.

Russ: good. All right, now this in the book sounds very much similar to what you guys go through and this concerns the process of what are called "Gholas" and these are being people who are rejuvenated from cells.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: of a person who has gone on or is living and is just waiting to be reborn into a bodyÖ.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: while its memories are intact but they have to be reawakened. Now Iím wondering about the parallels and where Herbert, Frank Herbert got this stuff?

Tia: youíre asking the wrong person, having been the end result of such a procedureÖ..

Russ: which is why Iím asking you.

Tia: I know as much as you know which is nothing. All's I know is that it was done to me. Iíve had it explained to me and I donít understand it. It involves separating and splitting and all sorts of things. Words that I couldn't even comprehend. Mind you at the time I was learning English and there were really big words that I couldn't understand.

Russ: did you catch my latest supplement into the webpage?

Tia: oh, about my arrival on the sixth dimension?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you read that?

Tia: no not yet.

Russ: oh, I left some stuff out, put some stuff in.

Tia: oh, creative editing.

Russ: I judiciously edited where needed.

Tia: oh.

Russ: I was getting tired and my fingers were getting tired.

Tia: and you wanted to keep continuity andÖ..

Russ: right. There were some things I was like ďboringĒ, clip.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: just let the tape run a little bit.

Tia: yeah but I do know what you mean about the boring parts, some of it is quite boring listening to it.

Russ: well sitting here talking to you, you canít design a session to be word for word put on tape.

Tia: oh hell no.

Russ: I mean GodÖ.

Tia: okay, on that note, I will go and separate the two playful beings.

Russ: okay.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)

(Karra's back to talk to just me now.)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hi darling.

Karra: how are you going?

Russ: oh I'm just teasing Tia.

Karra: yes I noticed.

Russ: you know, it gets a little slow sometimes in these sessions.

Karra: yes, she was teasing you too.

Russ: oh well, it's just probably part of that past life we had.

Karra: uh-huh. Well, this week youíre out of luck.

Russ: starting your period are you girl?

Karra: yes I am, starting probably in about an hour or two.

Russ: ooh...have it timed out that well huh?

Karra: oh yes.

Russ: hmm not bad.

Karra: now there is something else that we need to discuss.

Russ: yes my sweetheart?

Karra: now honesty time.

Russ: okay.

Karra: I need to get pregnant again for the gene pool.

Russ: okay.

Karra: thatís acceptable with you?

Russ: I thought you already did?

Karra: it wasnít consummated.

Russ: why not?

Karra: because he behaved very third dimensionally. We got to necking and kissing and cuddling and he says that there has to be more to it than just a physical need.

Russ: hmm, well you know I approve, I donít mind at all.

Karra: and then thereís the other side of the coin.

Russ: ahh whatís that?

Karra: you'll have to impregnate either Kiri or Tia and I donít think TiaísÖ

Russ: I donít think Tiaís going to work because Tia doesnít get pregnant for another five years.

Karra: another three or two, she just told me.

Russ: oh.

Karra: but Tia said that it wouldnít work anyway.

Russ: why not?

Karra: she swore an oath of bonding.

Russ: oh, well of course.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and also I wouldnít want to anyway, Mark's a little too attached to Tia in my opinion.

Karra: Tiaís just gone, ďwell why not?Ē

Russ: because of Mark.

Karra: she goes, ďam I not attractive, am I not beautiful?Ē

Russ: well okay letís put it this way, we have a bit of a past that we'd have to work out first. (Her, Mark, Kiri, Karra and myself had shared a past life in Atlantis.)

Karra: yes, yes. I do understand.

Karra: but the thing is, why would you not make love to Tia?

Russ: well because like I say, thereís you know, I wouldnít mind but I have a feeling that she would have a problem with it.

Karra: now reverse that, and apply it to me. Now you see the problem.

Russ: ahh, well Iíll go knock up Kiri.

Karra: thatís a foregone conclusion.

Russ: (laughs)

Karra: and as you two have made love beforeÖ..

Russ: oh yeah, no problem there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: weíre pretty compatible I would say.

Karra: yeah but the timeís not right for Kiri.

Russ: no but it will be.

Karra: with the spacing of our children, the time is right.

Russ: hmm great.

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: well I hope I'll be the father I always am.

Karra: well you will be the father, it's just that the fact the genes won't be yours.

Russ: well thatís fine.

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: you've explained
gene pools to me enough where I could go swimming every day.

Karra: yes, (Chuckles) but it is important thatÖÖ

Russ: of course it is.

Karra: uh-huh. Now Kiri discussed it with Carrie, I donít know why she kicked you out.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: but she was like.....oh I understand, because she wanted just Carrie's input without your comments.

Russ: as if I would comment.

Karra: yes you would.

Russ: of course I would.

Karra: uh-huhÖthatís why she did itÖ..okay, now on to other things.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay, time to relax you know, getting uptight again.

Russ: I didnít think I've been that uptight.

Karra: yes you have.

Russ: have I?

Karra: uh-huh. Youíre coiled like spring even now, even the tone of your voice, ďhave I?Ē tells me that youíre uptight again. Also the fact I see it in your aura.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh. Let your hair down, be you.

Russ: it's probably these books I'm reading.

Karra: uh-huh, making you very serious.

Russ: well itís preparing me.

Karra: yeah, but tell you what.

Russ: huh?

Karra: when you finish that one, lay off them for a week.

Russ: oh I'm definitely going to lay off.

Karra: yeah, just for a week.

Russ: I am.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but you have toÖ.I mean you of all people.

Karra: yes I know it is the preparation and the knowledge and the information that you're questing for which is wonderful.

Russ: of course. I mean if Iím uptight, itís you know just because of the seriousness of the matter that were dealing with here.

Karra: yes I do know what you mean.

Russ: what are they doing?

Karra: oh Iím just being tickled and having my toes sucked by a feather and Tia's sucking my toes. Well more licking actually, I didnít realize her tongue was quite that rough.

Russ: all right, on to other things then. Sorry for the uptightness but like I sayÖ.

Karra: oh thatís all right. Yes I had to point it out to you because I didn't want you to get to the point of stomach pains again.

Russ: thank you.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, other memories.

Karra: okay.

Russ: we were discussing this well......we were going over this.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and how in the book, itís a "Bene Gesserit" thing to depend on memories that have been passed down life to life when you go through the spice agony.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now you have past livesÖÖ

Karra: yes.

Russ: which you can draw upon.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now are those similar to the regressions I do?

Karra: yes, very much so apart from I think for example, broken arm, boneís sticking out, I already know how to do it but letís say I didnít know how to do it.......

Russ: okay.

Karra: right? Itís the first time Iíve come across an arm with a bone sticking out that I would think, ďhmmĒ and I would visualize it which would key in the memory and Iíll go ďahh, thatís how I fixed it!!Ē

Russ: hmm.

Karra: I know thereís pain there, that person suffering horribly ďhmmĒ and I would look for another image that would tell me how to do it without pain. For example, stress fractures, that is my learning lesson. It is a new thing for me.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: and the fact that it is myself that has it makes it harder. Iíve never come across stress fractures before. Normally they're clean breaks. Stress fractures normally happen when a lot of pressure is applied continuously. Itís like a branch that you keep on bending it and bending it and finally what happens?

Russ: it breaks.

Karra: yes but it breaks in fibers but just before the point of it breaking.

Russ: oh.

Karra: so that is a new experience for me.

Russ: well they fixed the knee just fine.

Karra: oh yeah but I think I could do it myself if I didnít have my mental block.

Russ: hmm, why do you have a mental block though?

Karra: because it reminds me.

Russ: not to do it again?

Karra: yeah it reminds me of other things, things that we donít dwell on.

Russ: of course.

Karra: such as that song. (ďHeís GoneĒ by the Grateful Dead. An experience of emotional trauma from earlier in her life and her connection to me makes it so I can't play that song as it makes her cry even to this day.)

Russ: yes. Now in the book, the other memories described there are sometimes like what youíre talking about but more often than not, itís actual voices.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: in your head.

Karra: oh yes, I hear the voices too, the voices are part of it. For example, let us say I come across somebody that has hemorrhaging in the intestines right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and I will hear a doctor telling me how to fix the hemorrhaging of intestines but I never, when I went to become a medic, I never had to deal with it. When we do the training, it's more along the lines of learning how to use the equipment, learning how to put the bandages on, learning how to put the ointment, use the crystal correctly, the rest of it is already within us as healers. The fact of using energy to align the bones in a break so that it meshes nicely and then getting the energy flow going whilst we're wrapping the bandages and I will hear a voice saying "in days of old blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" and it wonít stop until I finish doing the process.

Russ: what voices do you hear?

Karra: teachers from other lives.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: uh-huh. Sometimes for example, today you remember that I went off-line briefly?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: we had a young lady that twisted her ankle and she was in a lot of pain so I went and dealt with her and Iíve dealt with twisted ankles hundreds and hundreds of times right? And I still hear the voice telling me from the lesson eons ago on what to look for, to make sure that it is just a twist, that itís not broken, how to manipulate it and put it in the right position and it was a very distinct, male voice.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: thatís why when Iím healing somebody sometimesÖÖremember when we used to do the healings on Carrie?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: that I would stop.

Russ: right.

Karra: and I would stop in mid-sentence, I was listening to a voice......

Russ: oh.

Karra: telling me where to proceed next.

Russ: so kind of like you talking to meÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and explaining stuff that Iím doing.

Karra: thatís correct.

Russ: hmm okay. Now is there a way to maybe make that occur in third dimension?

Karra: yesÖ..

Russ: oh.

Karra: look within yourself, visualize.

Russ: and relive the past lives myself?

Karra: uh-huh but it would take a long time for me to explain, longer than we have on tape.

Russ: right.

Karra: in basic form of how it works is that you would visualize a situationÖ.

Russ: right.

Karra: very similar to the one that youíre working on. You would look for similarities and you would see them because itís a past life thing. And then you would think "now what did they tell me, what was I told to do, how does this work?" And then you would hear the voice saying "realignment of the angles has to be proportional to the......" so on.

Russ: right. Okay, because this morning we were working on somethingÖ.

Karra: yes?

Russ: what was that? I mean this morning.

Karra: this morning?

Russ: I was half in and half out.

Karra: I think it was to do with the aligning of the chakras, no that wasnít it.

Russ: more like on the world.

Karra: yeah, it was the aligning of something.

Russ: it was like making reality work.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I can't remember the exact words.

Karra: y
es it was the aligning of the mind with what appears to be.

Russ: right. So basically working on mentally creating thatÖ

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which would be coming into reality.

Karra: correct. Okay, do you have any more questions dear?

Russ: one more darling.

Karra: okay.

Russ: quote, "This is the awe-inspiring universe of magic..."

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: "where there are no atoms, only waves of motions all around."

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: "Here you discard all belief and barriers to understanding. You put aside understanding itself. The universe cannot be seen, cannot be heard, cannot be detected any way by fixed perceptions. It is the ultimate void where no preordained screens occur upon which forms may be projected. You have only one awareness here, the screen of the Magi, imagination. Here you learn what it is to be human, you are creator of order, of beautiful shapes and systems and organizer of chaos."

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which explains magic pretty good.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but also goes in a little deeper to other thingsÖ..

Karra: yes, like astral travel.

Russ: correct and things that you, as a resident of Hades Base, get a better view of than I do....

Karra: yes.

Russ: the void of the universe.

Karra: uh-huh. It can be a great void filled or totally empty and itís only I that decides what goes in it.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay.

Russ: thank you love.

Karra: see you later hon.

Russ: bye love.

(Due to time constraints, we come into a session already in progress.)

Kiri: how can I help you guys tonight?

Skip: well, one lady asked me if you would please watch over her or help her, her name's Penny. Sheís going to New Orleans to meet a gentleman that she would like to spend the rest of her life with.

Kiri: thatís a destiny thing, thatís a little bit tricky.

Skip: thatís okay, I just thought Iíd mention it.

Kiri: you know I really canít watch over somebody because like you, I'm flesh and blood and bone and Iím not a spirit form, Iím a real live functioning.....alien.

John: you got ants in your pants there girl?

Kiri: uh-huh, I got ants in my pants.

John: yeah, I was going to say, youíve got ants in your pants.

Kiri: uh-huh, I donít wear pants, I wear a skirt. I wear running pants from time to time but I donít wear pants very often.

Russ: my problem was addressed on the Internet, people thinking that sixth dimension means youíre not a form, that you're a spirit and you wander around in a ghost-like form.

Kiri: I did address that this time.

Russ: you weren't there that night, this was another night.

Kiri: no I did mention that I am physical.

Russ: oh yeah well, it was probably another night.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah so I canít watch over an individual as much I would love to, I have my own engineering work but tell her that my wishes do go with her and I do hope that everything is successful and to trust her guides. Her guides are much more aware of vibrations than people realize and sometimes itís just a gut feeling that this isnít right.

Skip: talking about guidesÖ..

Kiri: uh-huh. You had that funny experience didnít you?

Russ: well tell her.

Skip: no, not really, I was just going to ask if anythingís happened with the gentleman that we spoke of before?

Kiri: heís still alive as far as I know.

Skip: all right, all right. Okay thatís all I wanted to know.

Kiri: still alive.

Skip: in Canada.

Kiri: I know, but you do have a guide, you know that donít you?

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, next question.

Judy: at least his mother doesnít kick me out of his life yet.

Kiri: no, well mothers are, they still look after their little ones. I know Iím protective of my two little monsters. But talking of little monsters, I'll see if I can get my little monster to stay awake for a channeling session.

Judy: with him?

Kiri: yeah. Iíll see if I can get him to come, It may be a week or two.

Skip: okay.

John: make it two.

Kiri: Iíll see what I can do. But we will have to probably do an early channeling session that night.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay, now there is little bit of a problem about next week.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: Mark needs time off from channeling for a week.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh. He wanted to take two weeks and I say a week only. We had a long discussion about it last night and backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards and finally in the end he agreed to just a week off.

Skip: why canít he have two weeks off?

Kiri: because there are bigger concerns than just his own.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: the only energy that will be taken out will be taking is just the physical moving around and everything.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay......

Skip: because he needs a vacation.

Kiri: yeah he does, heís worked totally hard for the past what, five years?

Russ: four years.

Kiri: four years. You know almost channeling continually for that time apart from a little break here and there and those little breaks are very useful for him.

Skip: thatís tough.

Kiri: uh-huh, it is. I mean for us, itís a bit of fun and excitement. For him, it can be a real chore sometimes.

Skip: same with us here, itís fun and excitement for us too but by using him as the go-between.....

Kiri: uh-huh, well he comes up here anyway butÖÖ

Skip: yeah but thatís still, thatís tough.

Karra: oh yeah.

Russ: we used go two times a week.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: did what?

Russ: two times a week, it used to be.

Skip: holy mackerelÖ.

Russ: Fridays and Tuesdays.

Kiri: uh-huh, poor Mark used to pay a real price for that. Notice heís put on a little bit of weight since then?

Russ: has he?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ; I g
uess so.

Kiri: yeah heís not so pinched around the face as he used to be.

Russ: oh true.

Kiri: he may one day even actually make it up to his supposed correct weight, I think not. But in the meantime, okay soÖ..

Skip: so heís taking next week off.

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh, it will be good for him.

Skip: all right, okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that suits me right down to the ground.

Kiri: okay, cool.

Russ: yeah I have no problems.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: Iím working.

Russ: Iíve got to transcribe this tape out anyway.

Kiri: yeah and okay so I will try and get Leonedies to channel the week after but it depends if he's in the mood and is not being so cantankerous and egotistical and arrogant. You know what little ones can be like, little ones with big minds.

Skip: okay but anyway, yeah suits me right down to the ground.

Kiri: okay, any questions for me?

Skip: I asked my question.

Kiri: Judy?

Judy: hmm?

Kiri: I always find that a quick backhand works for that.

Judy: oh yeah? Heís getting a little bit big for that. He's bigger than I am.

Kiri: who here likes pain?

Skip: likes what?

Kiri: likes pain.

John: pain.

Skip: nobody.

Kiri: and if you do something wrong and it's painful, youíre not going to do it again.

John: well you try not to.

Kiri: yeah.

John: I mean I burn myself at work, I donít intentionally ever try and burn myselfÖÖ

Kiri: no thatís different, thatís an accident.

Skip: thatís an accident, no weíre talking about intentionallyÖ..

Kiri: yeah. For example, let me see, if I was to break a window on purpose then I would expect to pay the consequences and I would try not to break that window because I know that paying the consequences would be painful.

Skip: that doesnít seem to matter to thisÖÖ

Kiri: no it doesnít. I canít comprehendÖÖ

Russ: what about taking away privileges? That has always worked with me as a young man. No?

Kiri: well there is the other option is that what you do is you take away everything, clothes everything and just leave them with bed, sheets, blanket, thatís it and when he does something good, you give them something back.

Russ: thatís a Sirian thing, thatís what they do on Sirius.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: thatís right.

Kiri: itís a sixth dimensional way, you take away all privileges.

Russ: I know, Karra gave me that one in my head one time a long time ago.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: but just now that you said it, it went clicked in going, ďwhere have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it was in my......

Kiri: yeah well you take away everything and all he has is his bed, thatís it and if he wants clothes, you give him the clothes that you want him to wear right?

Russ: yeah, thatís a Sirian deal.
Kiri: and if he does something good, he gets his drawers back right?. Doesnít have anything in it, but he gets his chest of drawers. If he does something else good, he gets the clothing that goes in that drawer. And then the next drawer and the next drawer and so on. Does something wrong, he loses that particular thing that he just got. Works great on Sirius.

Russ: yeah it does.

Kiri: because you know, kids like to wear what they want to wear but if they donít have any clothes and youíre the one telling them "you're wearing this today."

Russ: yeah, checkered pants with a paisley shirt.

John: thatís cruel, now youíre getting to the point of being cruel and unusual.

Kiri: that is cruel and unusual punishment.

John: yeah but so is Russ.

Kiri: but on Sirius, it works very well. Now you just remove everything, lock it up so so that they canít go and get it. And when they do that good thing, that they get it back, the chest of drawers, then you make a big hoo haw out of it and that is an incentive that you know makes them realize theyíve done something good and want to do something else good right? But also when you take that privilege away when they screw up, you make a big hoo haw out of that so that they remember that. Now it can be very hard to do but on Sirius, it works very well. I never had anything taken away, I was a good little girl, most of the time.

John: oh that means you didnít get caught very often.

Kiri: that's right.

Russ: well she might go around without clothes.

(Laughter all around.)

Kiri: well, whatís wrong with walking around in a bikini?

Russ: man, set her up with cases of wine nowadays.

Kiri: uh-huh. I designed all my own clothes but talking of which, can I ask a favor from you and Karra?

Russ: sure.

Kiri: c
an I store a couple hundred cases over at your place?

Russ: where? We donít have any room in our place. We're fairly strapped as it is.

Kiri: Iíll figure out something.

Russ: why donít you just take one of the extra rooms that weíve got in the hallway next to us?

Kiri: yeah but somebody might wantÖ.Iíll talk to Karra about it.

Russ: sheís the block manager, there is about four rooms left over there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: wouldn't get something like four people the on the base who want to get rooms.

Kiri: well you never know. But anyway, yeah thatís the way we do it on Sirius. Our legal system or law system, we donít actually have a law system. If you mess up against society, youíre sent away for reeducation, you live with that horror, day after day, week after week, month after month until you realize that what youíve done is wrong and you atone for it. And itís a reeducation system, you point out what youíve done wrong, you live with those consequences for however long it's necessary until you learn that that was wrong and then atone for it.

Russ: it's very effective, Iíve talked to someone on Sirius once that was in their penal system.

Kiri: itís not a penal system, itís a correctional facility.

Russ: well I call it a penal system.

Kiri: reeducation facility.

Russ: whatever, I talked to this guy who was in there because I wanted to know more about it and the guy was like totally happy with the system, says it worked great and he was changing his ways and he realized what had happened was wrong you know, the most happy criminal Iíve ever seen in my life.

Kiri: uh-huh, but you have to remember one important key, we do read each otherís minds.

Russ: well yeah, there is that.

Kiri: uh-huh, but only if you want to and if youíve done something wrong, you have to let people in to have a look to examine what youíve done wrong and they will only examine that particular thing that youíve done wrong. Thatís very kind of you young man, we'll have you been domesticated eventually.

John: Iím a sophisticated barbarian, I mean I am trainable believe it or not.

Kiri: okay, well Iíve been told by Tia to wrap it up and that would be perfect for Mark when he gets back.

John: it will be perfect.

Kiri: uh-huh. So we're going to wrap it up and call it a wrap.

John: oh, I havenít had a chance to talk to you in a few weeks.

Kiri: no you havenít, have you?

John: yeah for a few weeks actually.

Kiri: okay, what can I do for you bud?

John: oh nothing, Iím just glad I can participate.

Kiri: oh.

John: and Iím looking forward to the next time Iíll be able to.

Kiri: yeah.

John: because thatís all relative you know what I mean?

Kiri: it is all relative.

John: yeah, because of work.

Kiri: yeah.

John: and we are giving Mark next week off yes?

Kiri: yes, he does need it.

John: a well deserved rest.

Kiri: okayÖÖ

John: is there anything we could do for Mark? Maybe do a little barbecue or something for him?

Kiri: yeah, throw him in a swimming pool, no he doesnít swim does he?

John: oh yeah, thatíd scare the &^%&^% out of him, throw in the lake.

Judy: hot tub.

Kiri: you could probably get some squirt guns and hose him down.

Skip: Iíll tell you what, Iíll tell you what.

Kiri: uh-huh?

Skip: can you put in his mind to come down to my house, my hot tub's fixed?

Kiri: weíll see what we can do, I canít do that as that's unethical.

John: yeah that might be a nice little thing.

Skip: well okay all right.

Kiri: it's unethical.

Skip: well then make a suggestion to him.

Kiri: Iíll kick his butt.

Skip: (chuckles ) well thatís little unethical too isnít it?

Kiri: actually, I know a way to getting him to do something, Iíll withhold from him.

Skip: okay, have him come down to the house because the hot tub's fixed.

Judy: you canít get him down to eat a meal that's cooked by somebody else, what are you talking about?

Kiri: well you know what Markís like, he doesnít like the heat apparently.

Skip: only too well.

Kiri: anything over 90 and he suffers, terribly.

Judy: thank you again for the suggestions.

Kiri: oh, youíre welcome, you're welcome.

Judy: I canít say that I can put them into play because there are other people involved in the situation. The counselor's involved, two different ones.

Kiri: well maybe you should try talking to him about that idea instead of taking everything away, how about if you take away one privilege at a time?

Judy: we're kind of sort of doing that right now and it kind of sort of works sometimes and kind of sort of doesnít.

Kiri: well during time out, ask him "how far do you want to go? Do you want to have absolutely nothing in your room, no posters, no clothing, no nothing apart from bedding?"

Skip: no radio, no TV.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: no Walkman.

Kiri: uh-huh. Or what you could do is as a trial run is one day when he's out, just clean out his whole entire room and say to him "okay, is this what your room to look like? Because if you carry on going with all your privileges gradually taken away, this is what you're going to end up with?" And just say to him you know, be in here for an hour and just leave him alone in there for an hour, tell him not come out of the room and to ask himself is that what he really wants to end up with? And then help him to put everything back later on.

Judy: I still have to see what the counselors have to say about this.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: okay, yeah.

Judy: I mean the suggestion is plausible.

Kiri: yeah.

Judy: because heís got enough junk in his room to lastÖ.

Kiri: yeah, a lifetime.

Judy: yeah, more than that.

Kiri: uh-huh, a juvenile lifetime. OkayÖÖ.

Russ: night Kiri.

Skip: good night baby.

Kiri: good night all.

John: see you.

Kiri: yeah, Iíll be back in two weeks.

John: all right, see you in a couple weeks hopefully from me.

Judy: see you

(Tia ends the session.)

Judy: do you have to have every other Wednesday off?

John: no they channel every other Wednesday.

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn.)

Judy: I thought that was part of your schedule?

Russ: hi Tia.

John: ideally but not necessarily.

Tia: okay, Kiri beat me to it.

Judy: thatís what youíre supposed to have off?

John: yeah but I mean itís all relative.

Tia: yeah. Okay, bye everybody.

John: bye.

Judy: goodbye.

Russ: goodbye.

John: thank you.

Tia: thank you for the channeling session, see you all in two weeks.

Russ: night Tia.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn.)


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