SARAH'S LETTER OF FORGIVENESS 04/02/97


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Archivist notes: This month brings a follow-up on Sarah with a letter written prior to last month's holo Kiri shared with us from her. Therefore this month we honor the personnel on the base who are assisting us tirelessly in the thankless task of preventing abductions and sharing their knowledge. To that end, Omal goes over the reasons experiments and abductions take place from third dimensional races other than ours.

Tia then expands on why the sixth dimension will be our new home after our ascension in some future life. She starts off the second side with a detailed description of the properties of the 4th and 5th dimensions and how they demonstrate those properties to new personnel to the base. Kiri completes the session with a treatise on time travel when traveling around the speed of light.

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ATTENDEES
TIA- Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS
KARRA KAREN
LEONEDIES
KIRI


SIDE 1

1.)(0:00)- Kiri reads a letter written by Sarah.

2.)(10:21)- Omal goes over the reasons for alien abductions and discusses time displacement involved with space travel.

3.)(40:58)- Tia explains explains how the 4th and 5th dimensions are uninhabitable.

SIDE 2

1.)(0:00)- Tia continues with the principles governing the 5th dimension.

2.)(4:47)- Karra talks about Sarah and some of the rules for healers. She ends by describing a negative feedback loop.

3.)(22:37)- Leonedies discusses the mindset of the Grey's.

4.)(25:28)- Kiri works with us on time travel and tells the story of the man who met himself.


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SIDE ONE


(Tia quickly hands off to Kiri.)

Tia: Okay, let's get down to business. I'm going to put Kiri on first to read her letter.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay? And then Kiri will hop off and then we'll get down to Omal straightaway, okay?

Russ: all right.



(Kiri comes on to read the letter from Sarah.)

Kiri: okay, hello. Okay let me start. Okay it goes:

"Dear Karra, Tia, Russ, Mark and dearest Kiri, thank you very much for your assistance in helping me through a most difficult time in my life. The fact now that I know that I am dying from what was done to me is unimportant. The experiments that they ran, although I do not recall them very clearly, were very horrific but the love that you have shown me and the times that you have helped me when I have been in acute pain and suffering have brightened my life tremendously. Even though I know I won't see my 24th birthday, I would like to say thank you to those people that have helped me tremendously and from those people that came to visit when I needed help most. I say thank you from the bottom of my heart with all my love and being. The understanding that you people have shown me on this path through the suffering that I went through, has seemed to make it easier to bear the fact that I have very little of my own genetic material left. The fact I will never have children even though I have less than a year to live seems irrelevant. The being that I am now could never have been if it hadn't have been for the suffering I went through. I would not change it for one second. The love and understanding that I achieved after the horrors I went through and the dreams that I had if they were dreams, seems to be bearable. But I would not want anyone to go through the nightmares or the dreams. I won't tell you what the dreams are because they are too painful even now. The fact that I have had two years of wonderful love and help from such wonderful people as Karra, Tia, Russ, Mark and of course dearest Kiri. It is still something that I feel people should learn from that what happened, even though it was negative, is now something that is bearable because where I am now on a wonderful planet with wonderful people makes life easier.

I have selected my return box or as I used to call it when I was younger, a coffin. I have selected the material of finest silk and satin. I know that nobody on home, as much as I would love to see them before I go, will ever see me again but I will be buried where I can overlook and watch and see when I wait for rebirth, see them as they are, not as they are my memory. The time that I spent in the cold, cruel, harsh, deep freeze dreamworld, is something that goes without words. It's hard to explain. I will try to explain in the next few lines. The best way to describe it was it was like "......pardon me Russ...... " it was like being in a deep sleep filled with horrible images. It is hard to put it to pen and paper and to realize that it made me who I am now from the shy girl on the base that bowed her head and shuffled along to somebody that is suffering from accelerated aging. They have robbed me part of my growing but I hold no malice due to the fact that without that suffering, I would not be Sarah, I would not be the same lady as I am now. I would still be somebody that was smoking pot, getting high every night and kicking back and sleeping around.

Now, I am somebody that understands the purpose of life, the purpose of where to go and as a return payment if it would be possible to give the information of the importance of having a purpose, even though it may be short, that is something that would be my gift. To give somebody that chance to have a purpose. Not to go the path that I was heading of, to say it, a whore. I was sleeping around, I was doing drugs. That's not a life. Life is to be lived, to be enjoyed, to smell the flowers. The flowers that I smell now remind me of home. The birds that I see overhead remind me of home. The beautiful, warm sun that beats on my skin as I sit here under this tree writing this letter is so much joy that it is hard to explain. The simple pleasures as my friend here tells me, the simple country girl, it is wonderful to enjoy things as they are, not to live in a pseudo-world of happiness created by inhaling pot, or marijuana, or snorting coke, or smoking crack, that's not a life. A life is to be enjoyed, to lead it at full strength."

The rest of it is pretty personal so I'm going to skip over that and just get to the end here.

"Now as I run out of paper and pen and the ink well is drying up, it is time for me again to wish love and happiness to everybody. Once again, thank you to Karra, thank you to Tia, thank you to Russ, thank you to Mark and to my dearest, dearest Kiri, I give you all my love and maybe one day we will be together again. Bye, love, Sarah."

Kiri: sorry, I skipped over a page and a half.

Karen: that's a deep letter.

Kiri: well she's grown. I talk to her about once a week.

Russ: I never met her though.

Kiri: you met her a couple of times.

Russ: did I?

Kiri: uh-huh. Remember her shuffling along crying?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: well she seems to remember you well and fondly.

Russ: apparently, I just don't remember her. I remember being very concerned for her.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: wanting to do something.

Kiri: Karra's saying, you remember the young lady that was lying on the table that she was examining on one time and you held her hand?

Russ: yeah?

Kiri: that was Sarah.

Russ: oh, no wonder.

Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway, Tia says it's time for me to hop out. I need to go dry my eyes a little bit.

Karen: hugs.

Kiri: uh-huh, yes. I don't think she realized you know how precious paper is.

Karen: yeah, I heard.

Kiri: uh-huh.



(Tia returns to the chat.)

Tia: I didn't know that they did.

Karen: didn't know they did what?

Tia: Kiri and Sarah.

Russ: that's the personal part.

Tia: yeah, that's the personal part. Uh-huh, okay. Uh-huh, questions before I put Omal on?

Russ: uh-uh, I'll wait.

Tia: you'll wait? Okay, I've got something to say to you before I go. Do you know why the Easter Bunny hides his eggs?

Karen: no, if you can actually answer that I can tell a lot of people that.

Tia: because he doesn't want anybody to know that he's sleeping with a chicken.

Karen: God. Okay thank you. You'll make lots of people on the internet very happy.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: it will be a question for three days straight now.




(Omal comes on next.)

Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Russ, greetings Karen.

Karen: greetings.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: okay, let's get down to answering your questions concerning this matter that you wish addressed.

Russ: the Zeta's, yeah.

Omal: uh-huh. First of all I would like to say that I think the letter from Sarah is self-explanatory and dovetails nicely with this upcoming subject and topic of discussion.

Russ: oh I agree definitely. It's all going under the same updates.

Omal: correct. It seems that she holds no malice towards them.

Russ: no, she sees it from a higher perspective of being part of the path that she's chosen.

Omal: uh-huh, I see it that she has had a good influence.

Russ: uh-huh. I mean there's people down here on earth who go through similar things, auto accidents that paralyze them permanently, shorten their lives.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or whatever or make them a living hell.

Karen: and the other ones they go through more or less the same thing, you can't figure out where it's coming from and people are calling them nuts.

Russ: and they don't get half as much insight and growth as she got.

Omal: no she had as she put it, a wonderful opportunity to learn and learn she has.

Russ: agreed.

Omal: from what I've heard, she is developing into a sixth dimensional young lady. There is nothing we can do for her. We can't rejuvenate her as much as we would like to. We can't tamper with her genetic material because as she said, there is so little of her left in the genetic essence. It is given hours or rather should I say months of aggravation to Kornas who has tried to puzzle over this but let us address your questions.

Russ: okay, I assume you got a report on last night's Zeta Reticuli revelations.

Omal: yes we did.

Russ: okay, so we're going to deal with that at the present. Now, I'm going to start from........it's one through 20 pages but I've got some parts highlighted here I just want to go over with you real quickly.

Omal: okay let us proceed. It would be difficult to answer all the questions if you were ask from that that you have in your mind so we will take the ones that you select that you feel are important.

Russ: alright. Okay, "the Zeta's have been continuing with projects by our own allowance. They've made some discoveries, they're learning, they are growing and part of their consciousness wants to just share the discoveries with the people being channeled to. And the question I've got is, supposedly this allowance that we give them is all subconscious to let them in to tamper with our bodies and work their experiments so they can learn." What of this?

Omal: it is trickery and the way it is done is very cleverly. Let me put it this way to you. Russ, would you like to help us develop a higher evolutionary mind on your planet?

Russ: of course.

Omal: would you let us do it our way so that you can benefit in such a way that your race will grow at a rapid accelerated rate and have all the lessons that are necessary to learn in that accelerated time?

Russ: no, I'd rather learn on our own pace actually but with insight from yourself is what I would but knowing where this question is leading, yeah I would say yes.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: not knowing......if I didn't know where it was leading to.

Omal: would you let us use the material from you that would be able to create a group of individuals that would be able to watch over and protect you?

Russ: well that's a tough one, because you already have. (The visits we had made to Kornas for genetic samples.)

Omal: yes but that has been with full knowledge.

Russ: absolutely, right. So, without full knowledge, I'd have to have my reservations personally........consciously.

Omal: Karen, would you let us use your genetic material, whatever is necessary, for us to create a race of guardians to protect you from hostile aliens?

Karen: I don't know, well knowing who you guys are yeah, but if I didn't know, no. I don't think I'd want any parts of my body missing, I've already got parts of my body missing.

Omal: oh, we would not take anything that would be needed. We would only use material that you have to spare.

Russ: like ovum.

Karen: oh, reproducing a mess of Karen's. It's like no I don't think......I don't know.

Omal: no, Russ spoiled that actually.

Karen: I don't know if I.........well he's got a couple kids up there.

Omal: uh-huh.

Karen: and I've got mine down here and I know of three and no, I don't think I'd want a whole mess of them I didn't know about floating around no.

Omal: no but Russ spoiled the question. Russ, there was a punishment for that.

Karen: should I bite him?

Omal: after the channeling session, 20 press ups please.

Russ: my shoulder's really killing me Omal.

Omal: it is the lesson and thank you for spoiling my avenue that I was exploring but you see where I was going?

Russ: right.

Omal: that the way that those were worded, you voluntarily, consciously gave your consent up until the last question.

Karen: yeah.

Omal: if Russ hadn't of said borrowing ovum's or using ovum's, would you have consented?

Karen: no, no because I mean if you guys are going to create guardians to watch over me, you should have the guardians there already.

Omal: true, true but you see what is happening, the answer most people would give is yes to protect your race. And I did not tell you everything, I led you in an avenue that is easy for you to fall into that saying yes, yes, yes, I did not tell you what we intended to do with those materials. I did not tell you how we wish to proceed, I just asked you would it be possible, very nicely as well I might add but I asked the questions in such a way that I was using half-lies, half-truths.

Karen: lying by omission.

Omal: correct. So you see where their questions head and how they manipulate. I was not being particularly clever in the way that I was wording them. I could word it totally different and sucker you right in, it is easy to do.

Karen: I think any any being could do that, I mean you know you can actually come through and just say that you know "hey we're dying planet because the women don't have any ovum, do you have any to spare?"

Omal: exactly.

Karen: and any person with kids would say "sure, no problem."

Omal: uh-huh exactly. So there are different ways of doing it and this is what they've done. Next question please.

Russ: okay, "there's apparently various groups of Zeta's spread out between three different categories. Straight Zeta's which is they consciously exist within the outer perimeters of fourth density reality therefore they are just barely physical, mostly plasmic in nature. Then there is the altered Zeta's which would be a straight Zeta altered physically or in their consciousness to allow them to interact with you on a physical plane or a type of quasi-physical reality one moment, one moment. Category three would be a hybrid, spans many different offshoots. The idea you call negatively oriented groups are not necessarily placed within these categories we've outlined though they can be for the purpose of illustration." Now the question is, with the first two groups, they can work with the person in their dream state. Does this also includes abductions?

Omal: yes, you can take somebody physically in their dream state. For example, Mark, Kiri could quite easily talk to somebody and have them stand up and follow them by using coercion when they're asleep, that is very easy to do.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: you wake them up to a state where they're still asleep but their mind is now conscious and easy to manipulate. Kiri is saying that is one of the things that is totally forbidden to do.

Russ: okay. Now with that same sentence, it makes the subject that there are good Zeta's and of course negative Zeta's.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the good Zeta's are for example the 30 individuals sitting in a ship within the atmosphere of the planet of the people that are being channeled to here.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is there good Zeta's?

Omal: yes there are just as there are good humans and bad humans.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: they suffer from the problem of they cannot differentiate between what is positive and negative in how they deal with people. They assume like most intelligent races that a lower intelligence will see it from their point of view. Whether their point of view is flawed or not is besides the point, their intentions are as they see them good. The fact they do not give you full information and access to that information seems to be irrelevant for your own good from their point of view.

Russ: hmm, okay. All right, are you on a time schedule that's real tight tonight?

Omal: I am a little.

Russ: all right, I'll try to rush through the worst of this then. Okay.......

Omal: oops.... too slow.

Russ: one of the questions asked was if humanoids were to take up travel in outer space, what changes would happen to their bodies and the answer was, "the fact that there would be a change in our connection to the time continuum which would allow our DNA structure to unlock from the template of the planet Earth time continuum to allow more freedom within the consciousness to allow for other types of travel and expansion once you leave your solar system." Now I don't remember that ever having to happen but...

Omal: no, no. It doesn't quite work like that. They are correct and they are lying, well not lying, they are tinting the truth. What happens when individuals leave a planet is the faster that they approach the speed of light, time slows down externally for them relative to how fast they are traveling. Let us say they are traveling at half-light speed, which would make it about eight years to get to your neighboring star. Okay, light travels at from there four years approximately to your planet. Traveling at half-light speed means that it would take you relatively inside the ship only eight years to get there however, outside a serious amount of time would have elapsed. Maybe 50  to a 100 years. Because you have approached the half the speed of light which means that time would speed up externally whereas internally it would slow down but you would not notice the change that it has slowed down. Let us say you travel faster than the speed of light. Now, time externally would really accelerate. The fact that you would arrive on the planet let us say at twice the speed of light means that only two years have elapsed for you but in actual fact, four years has elapsed externally on your home planet. I know there is a difference in the figures here. This is because you would be seeing things four years in the past if you were to look back. You take the four years and multiply it by the speed so that would be 12 years. 12 years into your future on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, means that you would be looking back 12 years to return back to your point of origin. You would be the 12 years into the future plus the return time which would make it 24 but traveling at half the speed of light, that would be doubled.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: the faster you travel, the less time would have been elapsed.

Russ: thank you. Alright, another question that I've heard before and this concerns everything that we're talking about so far, what is the purpose and mission of the Zeta contact? "And the idea they would like to stress most is they are teaching us about fear. That they are in a sense representing to us the idea of unity or as we represent to them, the idea of individuality. And neither of us are victims of the other, we are all co-creator's in what is going on." Now in that sense, it makes it sound as though our individuality is a negative.

Omal: it is not.

Russ: as opposed to their Borg like mentality.

Omal: it is not. Both are not. Does not a football team function as one?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: but yet the individuals on that team make it function as one. Individual players, let us select somebody like Boswell become heroes but without him, the team would not function as well but without him, the team would continue and does continue functioning. Let us take another individual, let us take Joe Montana. When he was with the 49ers, the team functioned wonderfully. He left the team and went to the Kansas City team. What happened the 49ers?

Karen: they dropped but they survived.

Russ: yeah, they did great last season, better than Kansas City.

Omal: correct. So, the individual does not make a team, he is a team player. Without him the team will carry on functioning, not as well until it recovers, but it will continue functioning. So to say that acting in a group-like consciousness is good is wrong but it is also right. It depends on how the group interacts. Whether or not becomes a unit as one or reacts as a group of individuals acting as one, individual choice could be good and bad. An individual that makes a bad call but if it is carried out well, may in actual fact turn out to be positive so both behaviors are very necessary. The development of pure one consciousness is a negative in that you have no free will to do as you wish and your interaction is no longer valid in how the group reacts. You react as the group wishes you to to a certain situation. Certainly it has more different options to explore but it has to be achieved quickly so therefore one individual will oversee another individual in the consciousness but individuality on its own can be very dangerous if it is not used correctly in a group environment. A group of individuals that work individually may end up hurting each other. It is teamwork with individual ways of behavior that seem to work best.

Russ: okay. Now this deals with the abductions and the fact that the Zeta Reticuli have bred out of themselves that which we call emotion and the purpose of the abductions is that they can insert probes and then retract them at later times which have stored up a neurochemical secretions that they figure they can put into themselves to re-bring in emotions into their race again.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now this is an act that we attribute to the negative Zeta's as well as apparently the positives who perfectly say "let's go along with this."

Omal: okay, extracting information can be useful but I refer you to the answer I gave right at the start. That is the best way to explain it.

Russ: okay. Karen, do you have any questions before I go on? I've taken up all of them.

Karen: I don't think you've gotten to the one that I wanted to ask.

Russ: oh........I have one on sexual behavior.

Karen: that's not the one I wanted to ask. (Chuckles)

Russ: okay, now one of the things that came up here we had a lot of problems with was "for as for the amount of interaction we will have with you sexually, that will be up to agreements between you as an individual and us as a group."

(The phone rings.)

Omal: maybe it would be appropriate to pick up the communication device of this point.

Russ: (picks up the phone.) Hello.

(The following phone conversation was edited out.)

Russ: so again we come to as in your first explanation that they agree to the sexual interactions but I cannot see the purpose of them because later on we see that they are using them to breed a hybrid race that don't actually reach maturity, they die off prior to that and they cannot figure out why.

Omal: it is obvious and very easy to understand why these offspring which is a bad term, they might as well say lab animals, die off. It is because they use them in such a way that their life expectancy is basically drained from them. The experiments that they run on them drain out their existence. If you insert needles and extract hormones and chemicals and blood and tissue and secretions, you're draining the life form. A certain amount can be withstood but continuous tapping in and draining, drains the life flow and the life energy. It is hard to understand that these Zeta's do not understand that by doing this, they themselves are causing the problem that they can't understand.

Russ: hmm, okay. One part that brought up about this was the fact that because there was no love that was interacted between the Zeta's and the children and that the only love that came was from adults that they had abducted and brought to the ship to give the children love.

Omal: uh-huh, that is quite correct but by abducting the individuals even though they may put on a front of being happy and cheerful, they are not. The children sense this and therefore do not actually take the pseudo-love that is being given. Even though as was said last night, some love is better than no love. The children, because of their environment, do not trust these individuals. It is necessary for the children to bond with individuals. For example, Karen's children, they have grown well and are happy because they have bonded with individuals on an individual one-on-one basis. If for example let us take Anna-Marie. If Karen, Karen's mother, the person that was the father were all linked together as a group consciousness, then Anna-Marie would have been very confused in the fact of was she talking to her grandmother, her mother or her father? So therefore a distrust will develop. Even though it may be Karen she is facing or Karen's mother or her father, she would not be sure if she was dealing with her father, or Karen or her grandmother.

Russ: hmm, well on the same note, one of the people are asking questions asked the question that she remembered seeing a six-year-old child on the ship and she was with two people. She had scars on her face and she bent down to acknowledge her, it was very important for her to love that child. They said that she had been sick and I said "I didn't care" and wanted to kiss her. And she kissed all the scars on her face and I felt a love for her and then she asked if that was her child. And the answer was that "your emotion will answer the question for you, trust those emotions." And then she says that "if you can send her love I would be grateful" and they say "you will have an option to see her again."

Omal: again, I refer you to the question that was just stated or the answer I just said. To that I would like to add the fact that they were using the child in a carefully orchestrated situation as a bait to get this person back up so that she could be used and manipulated again. Whether the child is hers or not is irrelevant, the fact that it could be her child makes it even more tricky and devious the way that they're behaving. They're using the carrot method to get a response and to get material. The natural instinct of mothers and fathers to protect things that they perceive as their offspring is a very strong and powerful tool that will make them do very strange things even to the point of laying down their own lives for their offspring. It is not just a human emotion. If you were to threaten the feline's kittens upstairs, she would fight to the death to protect them.

Russ: hmm, scary. Well one of my last questions then is they claim to be living upon the fourth and fifth dimensions, nothing about the sixth.

Omal: it is impossible to live in time. It is very hard to live in the fifth dimension. It can be done if you use energy fields to manipulate and maintain a safe environment, a stable environment but without those aides it is impossible. We live in the fifth dimension in a sixth dimensional workspace, in essence we live in the fifth dimension. We use gravitational energy to create a stable environment that does not give us the serious headaches that you would expect in a less technologically evolved civilization. As has been stated in the past, you could put many cases into a matchbox, many cases of wine......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: but they may all explode out as the fifth dimensional properties change within the matchbox.

Russ: okay. Well that's all the questions on that matter, if there's anything else you would like to add though, I'd be happy to add it on to the webpage.

Omal: yes, let us answer Karen's question.

Russ: all right.

Karen: how do you know it wasn't asked? It wasn't okay fine, I just thought I'd ask.

Omal: it was self-evident that it was not.

Karen: well they said if they can only take you if you volunteer yourself.

Omal: uh-huh.

Karen: now that means to say that these abductions are voluntary or are they not voluntary?

Omal: I refer you to the answer I gave at the start.

Karen: well, it's trickery.

Omal: exactly.

Karen: but they're still saying that every time they probe you and stuff like that they have been.......they ask your permission first regardless of the questions they give you.

Omal: correct.

Karen: but still, is it voluntary? Are they really taking these people voluntary or are these people just being taken period?

Omal: these people have been tricked into giving voluntary consent. It is for example......Kiri puts it so much better than I would have. "Come, let us have pleasure, I will please you." Is what she's saying. "Let me make you feel happy and complete but let me give you the gifts that you so wish desire to have upon you. So much pleasure, will you come and join me in that pleasure?"

Karen: Kiri sounds like that?

Omal: she says she'll handcuff you.

(Laughter all around.)

Omal: she'll handcuff your feet to the bed and make sure they're wide-open but she did not say that, she said that after the way that she worded it.

Karen: right.

Omal: that she would give you pleasure and joy but she did not say that she was going to strap you to the bed and handcuff you and do with you as she so desires.

(More laughter all around.)

Karen: true.

Omal: the fact that she would not do that to you is besides the point, the fact she is using it as a demonstration tool is the lesson.

Karen: okay.

Omal: okay thank you.

Karen: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back.




(Tia comes back to take her turn to speak.)


Karen: affect her when she needs energy is the first things she needs.

Russ: ask Tia.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: Tia, nice pose. Need a little tutu on though or something black and sexy.

Tia: I'm wearing something white and sexy.

Karen: well actually you're wearing red and blue but that's okay.

Tia: no I'm not, I'm wearing a toga.

Karen: well not down here you ain't.

Tia: oh, Mark's body.

Karen: yes, he'd look really funny in a toga right about now.

Tia: he does wear a toga actually.

Karen: well that's up there.

Tia: uh-huh, not very often, normally......

Karen: I've seen the legs, he does have nice legs though.

Tia: oh he does?

Russ: better legs than a table.

Karen: okay, what's in the fourth and fifth dimension?

Tia: the fourth is time, pure time.

Karen: the fourth is time?

Tia: uh-huh. Think of all the possibilities that could happen from one event, that is time and all of them happening at the same time. Fifth is space but not space as in go out there above your planet's atmosphere. It is......how would be the best way to explain it? Omal used the analogy of having a matchbox and putting cases of wine in there. Another way to explain it would be, let us say you wanted to get to the pizza box that you put up in the kitchen right?

Karen: actually no, it is laying at your feet practically.

Tia: oh it is? Okay, that's better yet. Now let us assume you wanted a piece of pizza right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: you get up and you take one step.

Karen: right.

Tia: and it's just as far away as it was when you started. You take five steps and it's still just as far away as it started. You take a 100 steps and it is still just as far away as when you started. You turn around, you walk towards the door, and let us say you assume that you can get to the door, you do. You open the door, you go out, you walk all way around, come back in and you step in the box as you come down the steps. Oops. But that's the way the fifth dimension works. Or, I should say it's what, about five steps away?

Karen: it's maybe about two.

Russ: two steps.

Tia: okay well let us say you're sitting there and you decide you want your piece of pizza. You get up and take one step and you're right there right? The properties of the fifth dimension are never constant. It's.....things do not appear as they are. For example, let us say that Russ wanted to get to that box right? And let us say we go through all the grief and aggravation of explaining taking steps directly towards it. Russ turns around, walks up across the ceiling, across the wall, down the other side and picks up the box.

Russ: what controls the fifth dimension or is it an uncontrolled dimension?

Tia: it's uncontrolled.

Karen: so it's unconditional space?

Tia: correct. For example, let us say you wanted to go to Mars from your planet. Normally it would take about six months to a year to travel with your current technology right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: but in the fifth dimension you could never reach it or, you can hop in a Boeing 747, take off and land on it. All very confusing isn't it? So it's never constant.

Karen: right.

Tia: there's a part of the base right down at the very bottom, right against the energy generators that we use as a training tool for people that need to learn the lessons of the fifth dimension. We take them down there, we set up a table and we set up food on that table, we set a chair up about ten paces away, we switch off the field within that contained area and ask them to have dinner.

Karen: and they can't get to the table.

Tia: or they get the table straightaway and the instructions are quite clear. Every time you grab a piece of food, you must only take one item, you return back to your seat. And we usually.....

Russ: getting back to the seat might be just as much trouble as getting to the table.

Tia: there you go, you see?

Karen: in other words, you don't eat until tomorrow so class is over.

SIDE ONE ENDS


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SIDE TWO

(Tia gets the second half started.)

Karen: now the time when is all time everywhere? Or is it..... I mean is..... I mean how confusing is is that?

Tia: all time relevant to you. For example, Mark uses the analogy of you're driving down the road right? Your car makes left turn, a right turn, keeps going, backs up, rolls over, has a flat tire, runs into somebody, stops dead, has a flat tire in the front tire, has a flat tire in the back tire and so on, you see all the possibilities?

Karen: hmmm.

Tia: the engine explodes, the car catches fire, all these things happen at the same time and if you were to look into the fourth dimension, you would see them happening all at the same time. You'd see all the possibilities.

Karen: I see..... oh, I see what you're saying.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what I don't understand is how all these channelers can channel beings who's saying that they all exist on the fourth dimension and we're preparing us to make that transition up to the fourth dimension.

Karen: why would you want everything happening to you the same time?

Russ: and I don't see how we could live there anyway even if we could and since we can't, why are these channelers getting it all wrong? Is this consciousness intruding on the channeling?

Tia: correct. Certain amounts yes. Those that you find that explain it, that you cannot live in the fourth or the fifth are true trance channelers. The majority are conscious channelers.

Russ: who can't believe that any information coming through saying that they're going to live on the sixth could be right.

Tia: correct.

Russ: they reject it and insert their own information.

Tia: correct.

Karen: well I asked yesterday about...........because I had mentioned about the sixth dimension.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: and somebody came back and asked me and says, "well what about....you skipped right over the fourth and fifth."

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: and I said, "well" I said, I'll find out about the fourth and the fifth and I'll get back to you tomorrow tonight."

Tia: now you have the information.

Karen: now I've got the information.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: so maybe they'll understand.

Tia: uh-huh. Another analogy that is useful is to tell somebody to get a box that is an inch high right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: and a box that is a foot high. Hold them side-by-side and tell them which is the bigger and they will tell you the one that is a foot high.

Karen: right.

Tia: and you tell him to take the box that is a foot high, take it all the way across from one corner to another, stand it in the far corner. You stand in one corner, the box is in the furthest corner. The hold out box that is an inch high. Now which looks bigger?

Karen: the little guy.

Tia: correct, perception you see?

Karen: this is like the leaning in....

Russ: Knot's Berry Farm.

Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.

Tia: at where?

Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.

Russ: they had something similar set up.

Karen: it's like it's........kind of like crooked so you're walking sideways.

Russ: I never did figure out how they did that either where they have a pool table...

Karen: but you're walking sideways and you're actually standing up straight but it looks like you're walking sideways.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: I mean you could be looking at your....at Mark and he'd be coming to you needing a V-8.

Tia: yeah.

Karen: I mean he's just leaning to one side and you're like "wow" or the pool table that gets the ball and put the ball in the table and it goes not the way the table's leaning but in the opposite pocket.

Tia: uh-huh, it's all perception.

Russ: I never got how they did that, mirrors probably.

Tia: no, it's very, very simple. Okay you have the room leaning actually one way right? And you set the table up so it's leaning in the opposite way with more lean right? But, with the tilt, it looks as if it's flat.

Russ: hmmm.

Karen: no, the table actually was leaning.

Tia: uh-huh, the table does lean. Okay, next question. Oh well, better put on the next speaker.

Russ: okay.

Karen: I need some tea, I'll get some.

Tia: oh that would be nice.

Karen: I'll get....oh good one.

Tia: now seeing that I managed to get his eye open. I mean, that's perception for you there.

Karen: that was perception.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay.....(Speaks on the base to Kiri.) Kiri, could you put that down please? Stop sucking on it, it's mine.

Russ: girls, girls.




(Karra is the next person to channel.)

Karra: hello, hi dear.

Russ: hi love.

Karra: I see Karen has got up and left.

Russ: yeah she's getting some tea.

Karra: oh that's very kind of her and Tia runs out on her. How are you doing?

Russ: oh I'm doing good but that letter from Sarah kind of got me.

Karra: yes, it got me too. I think the only person that did not have tears in their eyes was Omal. I sometimes wonder about his emotional level, I think he controls them very well.

Russ: uh-huh, though he does have them.

Karra: oh yes. But Tia, her eyes were wet and Kiri was actually crying when she was reading it.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: hear her take gulps every so often and pause? It wasn't for dramatic effect.

Russ: more often than not, we run into entities called Sarah where of course from our Sirian Chronicles, we find that Sarra is a person of great importance.

Karra: that's Sarra.

Russ: I know but I mean where did the word you know Sarah come from? It has to have roots in Sarra.

Karra: uh-huh, it does.

Russ: and so our Sarah returning to Sirius has got kind of an ironic twist to it you might say.

Karra: yes it does in the way. The fact that she...the fact that she is taking dying very well. From what grandmother told me the other day is that she is taking a lot of pride and pleasure in picking out the perfect return vessel. And she's even polished it herself and she's laid down to make sure it's nice and comfortable for her and she's got it all nicely lined and everything and she's got little pockets in there where she can put things to take with her even though she will never see them again in her physical, corporal form, she wants them with her. Her little teddy bear that one of the cubs gave her, a holo disk that Kiri gave her, things like that. The things that don't seem that much but they seem a lot to her. A pin she was given from one of the pilots when she was going with Kiri to Sirius.

Russ: when is she going to be....when she gets interned, is there going to be a notice that some folks that might be able to astral travel to that spot?

Karra: I don't think it would be appropriate for anybody to know where she is buried.

Russ: okay.

Karra: we will hold a midnight ceremony over her. The pilot and the people that take her there will hold a ceremony.

Russ: okay, well she'll be remembered.

Karra: yeah and one other thing that she wants is she wants a wild rose bush to be planted over her.

Karen: oh I'm with her, I agree.

Karra: yes she's very understanding of death. Thank you.

Karen: sure.

Russ: probably become more so as the....

Karra: days get closer.

Russ: right.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so, the question I've got darling is with all that she went through here on third dimension, with all that she went through the Zeta's, with all that she went through on Hades base and now all that she's going through with Sirius, would you say that this is maybe a shortcut to sixth dimension for her?

Karra: no. There's only two possibilities. She was either ready to come to the sixth dimension and needed to go through that suffering to cleanse her soul or she wasn't ready. Simple.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: the fact that she's been given a glimpse means that she has the possibility if she comes to terms with it in the appropriate way of going to sixth. The letter implied that she wants to be Kiri's daughter.

Russ: hmmm. Well they'll be some time between rebirth so...

Karra: oh yes.

Russ: it's still a ways away.

Kara: uh-huh.

Russ: sounds like a very special lady though.

Kara: she is a very special lady. All the times that I have worked on her to comfort her to take away the pain temporarily, I mean it was nowhere near what Kiri did for her. Kiri doesn't talk about the images that she got from her, that's a private thing for her.

Russ: right.

Karra: something that Kiri feels very strongly about but Tia is saying let's move onto something bright and cheerful. She's saying that Sarah would not want you to be upset or sad at what's coming.

Karen: can we entitle her letter?

Karra: sorry?

Karen: is there a way to entitle her letter instead of just saying it's a letter from Sarah? It was taken from certain people or?

Karra: actually Russ will come up with a title, if not, I'll help him but at the moment I can't think of a appropriate name apart from a letter of understanding.....a letter of forgiving or forgiveness. That would be a good name for it but it doesn't sound quite right you know?

Russ: we'll work on it.

Karra: yeah, yes we will.

Russ: okay, so on the webpage we've got new stuff for me for the "how to" section.

Karra: yes okay how to heal.

Russ: how to heal.

Karra: I don't think we have enough time on this tape but let us lay out a basic framework to start off with on how a healer should be. A healer must be able to put their personal emotions to one side. They must be positive, not "I'm going to try, I will do this." They must open and receptive to the person's input, not this is the way it's done. It's "okay how do you want us to do this? What is the best way?" A healer must be confident, know that they can do it. A healer must also know their limitations. For example, I do not see any third dimensional healers being able to reach down, push down the bone and set the leg without causing pain. A healer must know something of standard medicine. Basics, basic first aid, basic hygiene. Hygiene is very important. You can set the leg but if your hands are not clean, you can infect the wound and cause more problems and possibly even kill the person. A healer must know when to refer the patient to somebody that has better equipment and knowledge. A healer must be able to admit defeat. A healer must be able to comfort the mind as well. If you remember with Carrie, most of the healing was done vocally. A healer must know how to make the person do the work. There's only so much that a healer can do. Lastly, a healer must not get emotionally involved but that's the hardest rule to obey. Russ, have you ever seen me get emotionally involved?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and how did I respond?

Russ: crying your eyes out.

Karra: uh-huh, yes I did, didn't I?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: uh-huh but what was the end result?

Russ: a healing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it went beyond it I'm sure.

Karra: oh yes, I pushed myself to the limit and that was done with love. Yeah.....

Russ: of course.

Karra: and I knew that I could win. And what is the end result of my winning? She's got the one thing she really desired. (Carrie had her daughter.)

Russ: yes she does.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that's all because of you my darling.

Karra: thank you. No it's not all because of me.

Russ: well a lot of it is.

Karra: no.

Russ: a lot of it is her.

Karra: a lot of it is her.

Russ: you gave her the reason to do it........

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and the belief that she could do it.

Karra: that's right, that's right, see?

Russ: but without you she wouldn't of had that, she wouldn't of even started trying.

Karra: uh-huh. But we set up the framework for her to achieve the goal and she's got the gift that she wanted and I think she'll have one more.

Russ: good.

Karra: uh-huh, a
nd when she's born, we'll send her a special present.

Russ: Karen?

Karen: hmm?

Russ: do you have any questions for Karra?

Karen: Russ told me that you're going to try and help with my problem.

Karra: oh yes, yes. That still plaguing you?

Karen: not as much no.

Karra: hmmm, okay what we want you to do is of course cranberry juice.

Karen: okay.

Karra: okay, we want you to lay off of anything that has a yeast in it, just for a week. So, no bread.

Russ: no beer.

Karen: no pizza.

Karra: no beer.

Russ: no pizza.

Karen: no pizza.

(Everybody laughs)

Karen: I had them order pizza tonight.

Karra: uh-huh.

Karen: okay no pizza, no bread. Well that's my basic diet there.

Karra: uh-huh, no fruit.

Karen: no fruit? Except for cranberry juice.

Karra: except for cranberry juice.

Karen: all right but anyway I'm allergic to.....

Karra: okay, can you think of anything else that has yeast in it?

Russ: wine has yeast.

Karra: wine? No wine.

Karen: wine has yeast?

Karra: uh-huh, how you think it gets brewed? Don't sit it in the shelf.

Karen: so that's right, it sits in kegs.

Karra: and besides, wine is a fruit.

Karen: wine is a grape.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: you might as well say all alcohol.

Karra: exactly, all alcohol is out.

Karen: milk too?

Karra: no.

Russ: no, no milk's healthy.

Karra: no yeast in milk.

Russ: yogurt.

Karen: yogurt.

Russ: that's got yeast.

Karra: uh-huh, just for a week okay?

Karen: okay.

Karra: now also, we want you to repeat 10 times each night before you go to rest. "I will heal, I will get better."

Karen: okay, I can do that.

Karra: uh-huh, 10 times each night just before you go to bed.

Karen: okay.

Karra: unless of course you are doing other things than you say it 10 times before.

Russ: or after.

Karra: or after, if you have the energy okay?

Karen: thank you.

Karra: also.....

Karen: okay now apart from the yeast or okay because the yeast infection is basically gone.

Karra: uh-huh, there is still a trace there.

Karen: right there is a trace but it's basically gone.

Karra: okay now the other one, hmm. Okay we're going to use the same methods that we used on Carrie okay? We want you to generate in front of you a clear white ball right? About yeah big right? We want you to visualize this white ball right?

Karen: okay.

Karra: now we want you to visualize a streak of energy coming out and going bomph, right in the head and it goes all the way down through the chakras right?

Karen: okay.

Karra: and it goes back into the ball and then it goes back through the ball, dropping off the negative energy into the third eye and then all the way down through the crown chakra, the brow chakra, all the way down. Right through the root chakra and back out. Now to start off with, we want it to go at this speed. And then as you get that pattern down, we want it to go faster and faster and faster until it becomes a complete blur. The whole entire cycle becomes a blur. Okay after a couple of minutes we want you to stop with all the energy that that string has picked up, stopping the ball. Then we want you to visualize the ball being destroyed, obliterated, exploding away from you. Being pushed away which is you pushing away all the bad, all the the lumps and the cysts and the calcium deposits, all being pushed away.

Karen: okay.

Karra: okay? Then we want you to pick up the healing crystal and we want you to hold the healing crystal. Now the energy in the healing crystal goes through the same process apart from it does not get sucked back into the energy.....into the healing crystal. It gets dumped out into the ground. In doing this what is happening is anything that is left behind getting dirty energy has been dumped and dropped out.

Karen: okay.

Karra: okay what we can do at a later date when there is more time, is go through a full healing. Now this has got to be done when you have the time afterwards to go and rest because you will be tired. You remember that Carrie had to lie down for quite a while Russ?

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: uh-huh, cups of tea...oh another thing, green tea.

Karen: I drank my first green tea yesterday.

Karra: keep that up. Carrot juice and carrots, you can drink that. Fresh clear water.

Karen: yuck.

Karra: got to drink some of that, keep the fluids up. Any more questions?

Karen: nope.

Karra: okay.

Karen: nice seeing you again.

Karra: oh that's good. Also Russ can help by focusing energy.....and this is a good lesson for you.....something that we wanted to do but couldn't do it with Carrie because.....

Russ: naturally.

Karra: uh-huh but you can use your hands, pump energy through with your hands.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? Any more questions?

Russ: no my love.

Karra: and it's good to be useful. Karen, any more questions?

Karen: no thank you.

Karra: okay, see you guys later.

Russ: bye love.




(Tia takes over again.)

Karen: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

Russ: yo, what's up?

Tia: how much time we got left on the.......

Russ: 12 minutes 35 seconds.

Tia: (blows a raspberry.)

Karen: did it reach?

Tia: nuh uh. Wouldn't do that anyway. It's not nice to spit at people. It's not nice to abuse their property. Okay, let me put on the last person with the special guest speaker. But before I do that, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, forgive me.

Karen: that's okay, we thought Mark's mouth had a hole in it.

Tia: I can't control it properly, I was going to gargle with it.




(Kiri is back.)

Kiri: yo, I'm back. My eyes are dry and clean.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Karen: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo. Okay, let's get the special guest speaker out of the way first.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: let me put the little dynamo in my lap and get him to behave himself. God that feels strange, having Mark's body roll over like that when I'm actually sitting with, with the little guest speaker in my lap.

Karen: I hope she's not suffocating him.

Kiri: go ahead talk. Leonedies, use the system, not telepathically.




(Leonedies comes on briefly.)

Leonedies: hello and welcome to tonight. I'm going to talk about the alien mindset. The alien mindset of less evolutionary developed individuals seems to me to be a serious threat to the safety and well-being of third dimensional, bipedal lifeforms or humanoids. It is throughout history, seem to me to be one race leaded by another in a manipulative, condescending, arrogant sort of way. It seems that these species, not only bipedal, gray skinned, carbon-based life forms but other life forms based seem to react in a condescending way to the intelligence. What funny?

Karen: I'm sorry. Sounds so cute.

Russ: it was the gray skin, bipedal, carbon-based lifeform I believe was funny.

Leonedies: let us continue.

Karen: I'm sorry.

Leonedies: it is necessary for the understanding of all parties concerned that it is a path that is walked. The letter from young lady said that she held no malice. It is necessary to understand that they too have to live with what they have done. The more evolved they become, the more pity they should realize in the fact of what they have done. It is necessary for them to continue even though it is wrong, for their evolutionary process and yours thank you.

Russ: thank you Leonedies.

Karen: thank you. Sorry again.



(Kiri finishes up the night.)

Kiri: I do apologize for my son.

Russ: no don't, that's all right. It was just kind of funny though to see someone with the mentality of Ashtar talking in the voice of....

Karen: Mickey Mouse. (Laughs)

Kiri: well he says that he does that so you can differentiate the fact that he's only in a little body.

Karen: he is, I mean I could actually picture him and it was just so cute. Especially when he looked at me and said, "what was funny?"

Kiri: he doesn't have the same sort of sense of humor. He was trying to reason out.....I got him to slow down to an understandable level this time didn't I?

Russ: uh-huh, yeah you did.

Karen: yeah I was wondering if he actually took a breath in between all that.

Kiri: I don't think he did. Well first of all, he transmitted the whole entire dissertation telepathically which took him about 10 seconds.

Karen: oh jeeze.

Kiri: a
nd then when he realized, well when I informed him that it was not being received by the machine, we all heard it. It made Tia sit up and look like somebody had stuck a spike up her....nevermind. But everybody received it. Unfortunately it was too fast for the machine and wasn't transmitted at the machine. He just transmitted it on a wideband and bap. You know what little boys are like.

Russ: he's getting better though.

Kiri: well.

Russ: still it's good to hear him, is he being a rather good boy lately then that he gets to channel?

Kiri: yes, painfully good. Has not dismantled any fluffy toys, any dolls, anything.

Russ: well good, I'm glad this is his reward.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: one of his rewards, I'm sure there's many others.

Kiri: yes, uh-huh. Yeah one is we're going to take him down to the rock garden.

Russ: what rock garden?

Kiri: it's a crystal garden, you know the one that is stashed away where people go from time to time to be alone?

Russ: I've heard about it, I've haven't been there yet.

Kiri: no, it's a place that you go to be alone. People won't go there......for example if I go down there and there's somebody in there, I won't go in. What I would do is when it's empty which would be probably about 3 o'clock our time in the morning, is I'll wake him up, take him down there and let them sit in there and be comfortable.

Russ: how do you know if someone's in there?

Kiri: normally a pair of shoes outside.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: or a jacket or the door will be closed.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll get instructions from Karra.

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: I'll get instructions from Karra on how to get down there. I'll check it out on the map on the computer.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: see if I can stop in there sometime after three.

Kiri: three in the morning?

Russ: yeah when I am up your time, that's only five in the morning here.

Kiri: yeah but I'm going to take him down there, not tonight but soon. That's something else he's got to learn is patience. Okay, questions for me.

Russ: I can see Leonedies going "oh look at, silicone-based lifeforms."

Kiri: well he said carbon didn't he?

Russ: yeah but the crystals would be silicone-based.

Kiri: oh correct, they would be.

Russ: oh let's see, since we have five minutes and 26 seconds left to go.

Kiri: oh before Karen has to depart?

Russ: no, before the tape runs out.

Kiri: oh, we're keeping a chronometer on it are we?

Russ: well I took a wild guess and I've got the feeling I might be right.

Karen: how many more minutes?

Russ: five minutes.

Karen: pretty close.

Kiri: okay, let us continue.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: Tia's just pointed out, that's where he gets his abruptness from.

Russ: where?

Kiri: from me.

Russ: oh from you?

Kiri: yes, when I said okay let us continue.

Russ: actually I have something in here marked Kiri.

Kiri: oh doesn't involve lots of sex?

Russ: no, not the sex part.

Kiri: oh bummer.

Russ: you get enough sex, you don't need any more from here.

Karen: I don't know, you got these guys watching in whenever they want.

Kiri: they're watching up here.

Karen: I just hope they get their eyes full.

Kiri: oh boy, if I came down there, they would be all over your house and they would get more than an eye full.

Karen: I'm sure they would Kiri from what I've heard.

Kiri: I'd just spin their heads.

Russ: here it goes.

Karen: one way or another.

Kiri: hey with coercion I'd just....

Karen: in every sense of the word.

Kiri: I would certainly open their eyes.

Karen: that would definitely spin their head too.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now what would I bring down with me? I could bring my two-way, bring my squirty one that vibrates on a.....

Russ: Kiri.

Kiri: sorry.

Russ: if you don't mind, I'd like to get back to business please. The question is asked, would that mean that if you had some kind of chronograph or wristwatch, that it would keep different time for you then someone else. And if this is if you are on a spaceship, what kind of time system and the answer is, in that sense the chronograph will not work. The electromagnetic fields would allow it to not operate in the way that it was designed. So if you're on a spaceship, my wristwatch is going to not work anymore correct?

(Kiri Snickers.)

Karen: I think that's a laugh.

Kiri: Kiri goes giggle, giggle, giggle. Giggle, giggle, giggle. Giggle, giggle......

Karen: and all those other ones in between.

Kiri: or he he he he he he he he he he he. That's baloney. If you have a chronometer that works on electrical impulses, it will continue to work, here is the reason. Because you are inside the electromagnetic field, it surrounds you but does not penetrate you because it is all focused outside, externally to create the gravimetrical field. You are inside the gravimetrical field which means it does not interfere with you. Everything is focused outside so therefore, the electric magnetical field does not affect you because the gravimetrical field pushes it away. You're here on this side right? This is the wall, gravimetrical energy is focused out right? And then the gravimetrical field pushes the electric magnetic field out which gives the lift, very simple. It is focused away from you so your chronometer would continue to function. However, as you approach as Omal pointed out the speed of light, it would work at a slower rate than externally.

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: because time would be passing faster externally outside the field that you have generated, things would seem accelerated. For example, let us say my two fingers or Mark's two fingers are walking. That's normal speed. You inside would see this if you're looking outside.

Russ: so if it took five light years to get to Sirius.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Well let's say it takes an hour. Let's say like Sirius is one hour, a light hour away okay?

Kiri: okay.

Russ: okay now I get in the ship and I travel to Sirius one light hour.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Now, my watch is 9:30 and Karen has to go.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: but, when I get to Sirius, is it going to say 10:30 or is it going to be a lot slower?

Kiri: no it will say 10:30.

Russ: bye love.

Karen: bye hon.

Russ: but the actual time is different.

Karen: by Kiri.

Kiri: correct externally, bye Karen.

Russ: the time on Sirius then is actually......

Kiri: take care.

Karen: yes you too.

Kiri: I will.

Russ: is actually 11:30.

Kiri: correct. You see it's the relevant time.

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay? Inside time will continue. If it takes you an hour to travel that distance and it's only a light hour away right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: then it takes you one hour to travel there. But that hour has more than elapsed.

Karen: I think I have mental telepathy to start my car. Oh, need my keys. See you later.

Kiri: it doesn't work.

Russ: night.

Kiri: you see what I'm saying?

Russ: right.

Kiri: okay, now let us say that it is one light hour away but you cover that distance in half the time.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: it takes you 30 light minutes.

Russ: right.

Kiri: pardon me.

Russ: no problem.

Kiri: or pardon Mark's body rather. So what is happening? You are traveling at twice the speed of light.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: which means that you have traveled the distance from your planet to our planet in half an hour.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: half an hour of your time but an hour has actually elapsed from earth time. It's only taken you a half-hour. It's taken you a half-hour....let's say the times are exactly the same, it's 9:30 earth time, 9:30 Sirius time right?

Russ: right.

Kiri: your time where you're going to land okay? Half an hour has elapsed, it's now 10 o'clock for you right? But because it takes light an hour to travel from there, it's 10:30 when you arrive there.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but, meanwhile back on earth, two hours have elapsed. Return trip right? How much time has elapsed?

Russ: well according to Omal then, four hours would've elapsed.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: now, how far is Hades base in lightspeed terms?

Kiri: it's about nine minutes.

Russ: nine minutes. That's close.

Kiri: but this is where it gets tricky. We can get from Hades Base to earth right? In about three minutes. That's from getting in the aircraft to getting to your planet.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but that's manipulation of dimensions.

Russ: oh dimensions......that's why Mark can get there faster than nine minutes even though he cannot travel at the speed of light.

Kiri: no he's traveling at a totally different.....

Russ: oh no, he can't travel at the speed of thought.

Kiri: he's traveling a totally different route.

Russ: right, because he's manipulating time.

Kiri: correct. Now, if you remember, going back almost four years right? Well over four years actually. I took a trip, I was three months pregnant right? I came back six months pregnant but I was only gone for what, a week of your time?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: how?

Russ: manipulation of timeframes.

Kiri: correct and I had three months great relaxation but I could not go back in that three month period.

Russ: right, so that's how that works.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, because you may run into yourself.

Kiri: correct. I could've gone back as long as I avoided all the places that I went to.

Russ: yeah but that would be rather impossible.

Kiri: and also the fact that I'd have to avoid people that I was hanging out with.

Russ: and what happens if you meet yourself? We're talking paradox.

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: but the time continuum does not collapse.

Kiri: no.

Russ: I'm assuming because it has happened before.

Kiri: yes. It can be very confusing.

Russ: right.

Kiri: there is a story told of a guy or a man that met himself.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and he asked himself what was going to happen because he assumed that the person was a future aspect. It actual fact, the person was a past aspect. Totally confused. The guy sat down, almost had a nervous breakdown because he couldn't figure it out. Because you don't know if it's a future or a past aspect because the fact that I happen to look exactly the same as I did four years ago, or 4 1/2 years ago when I lost my virginity to a man as opposed to women, is besides the point.

Russ: yeah but you're a different person.

Kiri: no.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: I've changed, but not that much.

Russ: oh I don't know about that.

Kiri: physically, I am the same person.

Russ: oh physically, true.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but in talking to you, you're a different person.

Kiri: what do you mean about that?

Russ: well for example, the young lady who idolized you and came to Hades Base to work with you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: specifically.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: because of your talents and your reputation.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: had so far proceeded you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: she knew you as somebody who was this one person on Sirius.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now she meets you you later on and had she met you four years ago, before you met Mark.

Kiri: I would've seduced her in a heartbeat.

Russ: in a heartbeat and you would not have been the same person. She would not have recognized the person now who is speaking to her.

Kiri: the fact that I would love to make love to her but of her own volition. She has to make the decision, not me seduce her.

Russ: right, and you're also a mother now....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Kiri: which means you have gained a mother's empathy and compassion.

Kiri: which is the thing that stopped me from seducing her.

Russ: correct.

Kiri: is that she is in my eyes still a child.

Russ: right.

Kiri: even though a very attractive, sexy child.

Russ: now she might seduce you which would be a paradox in itself.

Kiri: I was about to say, seducing me? I've had more women in my life than you've had.

Russ: well
yeah of course. You have a better.....

Kiri: I had more women this year in my life than you've had.

Russ: (laughs) well I'd brag about it too. But the whole point of that is that it still....it still makes you someone who is now growing and learning and you've put more time or things together in your four years then you've put it in your whole probably 45 years of existence more or less. 57....

Kiri: 58.

Russ: 58. Something like that right but it has been quite a very busy four years for you.

Kiri: no more than normal. I mean the fact that I've had two children.

Russ: Alex is about to turn...

Kiri: about to turn four.

Russ: four.

Kiri: the fact that I've had three men in my life....no, four men in my life.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: the fact five years ago that I used to look at men and go oh well is where I have changed, I have changed in outlook. The fact that I will look at a young lady and think, "hmmm, she's a nice lady" and then later think maybe I should put the moves on her and go, "naahh. I can go home and get drilled out by Tia or Mark."

Russ: true.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and you know it's you know, it's just fun that you know in this four years we've all kind of gone through major changes.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay. All right, now on to more serious subjects.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: well Tia's still there right?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so we had some interesting occurrences happening in our stock market lately.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and with you both there I'm wondering what this bodes for how our current situation looks?

Kiri: Tia says watch and learn and remember. Tia also says do you know how many points it's dropped since January the 7th?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: she said it's dropped over 500 points.

Russ: Jesus. Okay, now I need to put together the..........some of the various tapes that we used to put you know their predictions, Omal's and Tia's. You don't happen to remember those dates do you?

Kiri: no I don't.

Russ: well darling, when do we do a coercion how to?

Kiri: if we had more time, it would take probably about 20 minutes to do.

Russ: can we plan is for next week possibly?

Kiri: possibly yes.

Russ: I'll leave it open for your own perusal.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: please tell Leonedies I said thank you for his wonderful dissertation this evening and I will be using it on the...

Kiri: I think all those things, those three things should go together. The letter....

Russ: I agree.

Kiri: Omal's thing and then Leonedies thing.

Russ: I will explain he is only not quite two years old.

Kiri: he's over two years old.

Russ: over two years old.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: my, time does fly.

Russ: well it's so subjective.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: it's funny, he does have the mentality of Ashtar, he just doesn't have the emotional control.

Kiri: he doesn't have the bladder control sometimes either.

Russ: (chuckles)

Kiri: sitting there growling at me now.

Russ: (laughs)

Kiri: the fact that he knows it's true. I mean he's out of his diapers, it's just sometimes he has accidents.

Russ: right. Now he understands about webpages doesn't he?

Kiri: he could probably tell you how to do your webpage.

Russ: good, yeah he's going to be featured as one of our guest speakers.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: this next week I believe.

Kiri: what do you think of Mark's gift to Alex? He told you has he?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's really neat.

Kiri: yes I'm going to get a particle generator for him.

Russ: a particle generator? What will that do?

Kiri: what basically does is, it takes particles and generates a field for them to work within. For example, they're very expensive, I don't have one. They're very, very expensive, a good one. I'm not getting the best, I'm getting one that will just give touch. What it does is.....

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