SARAH'S LETTER OF FORGIVENESS 04/02/97
Archivist notes: This month brings a
follow-up on Sarah with a letter written prior to
last month's holo Kiri shared with us from her.
Therefore this month we honor the personnel on the
base who are assisting us tirelessly in the
thankless task of preventing abductions and
sharing their knowledge. To that end, Omal goes
over the reasons experiments and abductions take
place from third dimensional races other than
Tia then expands on why the sixth
dimension will be our new home after our ascension
in some future life. She starts off the second
side with a detailed description of the properties
of the 4th and 5th dimensions and how they
demonstrate those properties to new personnel to
the base. Kiri completes the session with a
treatise on time travel when traveling around the
speed of light.
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(Tia quickly hands off to Kiri.)
Tia: Okay, let's get down to business. I'm going to
put Kiri on first to read her letter.
Tia: okay? And then Kiri will hop off and
then we'll get down to Omal straightaway, okay?
Russ: all right.
(Kiri comes on to read the letter
Kiri: okay, hello. Okay let me start. Okay it goes:
"Dear Karra, Tia, Russ, Mark and dearest Kiri, thank
you very much for your assistance in helping me
through a most difficult time in my life. The fact now
that I know that I am dying from what was done to me
is unimportant. The experiments that they ran,
although I do not recall them very clearly, were very
horrific but the love that you have shown
me and the times that you have helped me when I have
been in acute pain and suffering have brightened my
life tremendously. Even though I know I won't see my
24th birthday, I would like to say thank you to those
people that have helped me tremendously and from those
people that came to visit when I needed help most. I
say thank you from the bottom of my heart with all my
love and being. The understanding that you people have
shown me on this path through the suffering that I
went through, has seemed to make it easier to bear the
fact that I have very little of my own genetic
material left. The fact I will never have children
even though I have less than a year to live seems
irrelevant. The being that I am now could never have
been if it hadn't have been for the suffering I went
through. I would not change it for one second. The
love and understanding that I achieved after the
horrors I went through and the dreams that I
had if they were dreams, seems to be bearable. But I
would not want anyone to go through the nightmares or
the dreams. I won't tell you what the dreams are
because they are too painful even now. The fact that I
have had two years of wonderful love and help from
such wonderful people as Karra, Tia, Russ, Mark and of
course dearest Kiri. It is still something that I feel
people should learn from that what happened,
even though it was negative, is now something that is
bearable because where I am now on a wonderful planet
with wonderful people makes life easier.
I have selected my return box or as I used to call it
when I was younger, a coffin. I have selected the
material of finest silk and satin. I know that nobody
on home, as much as I would love to see them before I
go, will ever see me again but I will be
buried where I can overlook and watch and see when I
wait for rebirth, see them as they are, not as they
are my memory. The time that I spent in the cold,
cruel, harsh, deep freeze dreamworld, is something
that goes without words. It's hard to explain. I will
try to explain in the next few lines. The best way to
describe it was it was like "......pardon me
Russ...... " it was like being in a deep sleep filled
with horrible images. It is hard to put it to pen and
paper and to realize that it made me who I am now from
the shy girl on the base that bowed her head and
shuffled along to somebody that is suffering from
accelerated aging. They have robbed me part
of my growing but I hold no malice due to the fact
that without that suffering, I would not be Sarah, I
would not be the same lady as I am now. I would still
be somebody that was smoking pot, getting high every
night and kicking back and sleeping around.
Now, I am somebody that understands the purpose of
life, the purpose of where to go and as a return
payment if it would be possible to give the
information of the importance of having a purpose,
even though it may be short, that is something that
would be my gift. To give somebody that chance to have
a purpose. Not to go the path that I was heading of,
to say it, a whore. I was sleeping around, I was doing
drugs. That's not a life. Life is to be lived, to be
enjoyed, to smell the flowers. The flowers that I
smell now remind me of home. The birds that I see
overhead remind me of home. The beautiful, warm sun
that beats on my skin as I sit here under this tree
writing this letter is so much joy that it is hard to
explain. The simple pleasures as my friend here tells
me, the simple country girl, it is wonderful to enjoy
things as they are, not
to live in a pseudo-world of happiness created by
inhaling pot, or marijuana, or snorting coke, or
smoking crack, that's not a life. A life is to be
enjoyed, to lead it at full strength."
The rest of it is pretty personal so I'm going to skip
over that and just get to the end here.
"Now as I run out of paper and pen and the ink well is
drying up, it is time for me again to wish love and
happiness to everybody. Once again, thank you to
Karra, thank you to Tia, thank you to Russ, thank you
to Mark and to my dearest, dearest Kiri, I give you
all my love and maybe one day we will be together
again. Bye, love, Sarah."
Kiri: sorry, I skipped over a page and
Karen: that's a deep letter.
Kiri: well she's grown. I talk to her about once a
Russ: I never met her though.
Kiri: you met her a couple of times.
Russ: did I?
Kiri: uh-huh. Remember her shuffling along crying?
Kiri: well she seems to remember you well and fondly.
Russ: apparently, I just don't remember her. I
remember being very concerned for her.
Russ: wanting to do something.
Kiri: Karra's saying, you remember the young lady that
was lying on the table that she was examining on one
time and you held her hand?
Kiri: that was Sarah.
Russ: oh, no wonder.
Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway, Tia says it's time for me to hop
out. I need to go dry my eyes a little bit.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes. I don't think she realized you know
how precious paper is.
Karen: yeah, I heard.
(Tia returns to the chat.)
Tia: I didn't know that they did.
Karen: didn't know they did what?
Tia: Kiri and Sarah.
Russ: that's the personal part.
Tia: yeah, that's the personal part. Uh-huh, okay. Uh-huh, questions
before I put Omal on?
Russ: uh-uh, I'll wait.
Tia: you'll wait? Okay, I've got something to say to
you before I go. Do you know why the Easter Bunny
hides his eggs?
Karen: no, if you can actually answer that I can tell
a lot of people that.
Tia: because he doesn't want anybody to know that he's
sleeping with a chicken.
Karen: God. Okay thank you. You'll make lots of
people on the internet very happy.
Karen: it will be a question for three days straight
(Omal comes on next.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations. Greetings Russ,
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let's get down to answering your questions
concerning this matter that you wish addressed.
Russ: the Zeta's, yeah.
Omal: uh-huh. First of all I would like to say that I
think the letter from Sarah is self-explanatory and
dovetails nicely with this upcoming subject and topic
Russ: oh I agree definitely. It's all going under the
Omal: correct. It seems that she holds no malice
Russ: no, she sees it from a higher perspective of
being part of the path that she's chosen.
Omal: uh-huh, I see it that she has had a good
Russ: uh-huh. I mean there's people down here on earth
who go through similar things, auto accidents that
paralyze them permanently, shorten their lives.
Russ: or whatever or make them a living hell.
Karen: and the other ones they go through more or less
the same thing, you can't figure out where it's coming
from and people are calling them nuts.
Russ: and they don't get half as much insight and
growth as she got.
Omal: no she had as she put it, a wonderful
opportunity to learn and learn she
Omal: from what I've heard, she is developing into a
sixth dimensional young lady. There is
nothing we can do for her. We can't rejuvenate her as
much as we would like to. We can't tamper with her
genetic material because as she said, there is so
little of her left in the genetic essence. It is given
hours or rather should I say months of aggravation to
who has tried to puzzle over this but
let us address your questions.
Russ: okay, I assume you got a report on last night's
Omal: yes we did.
Russ: okay, so we're going to deal with that at the
present. Now, I'm going to start from........it's one
through 20 pages but I've got some parts highlighted
here I just want to go over with you real quickly.
Omal: okay let us proceed. It would be difficult to
answer all the questions if you were ask from that
that you have in your mind so we will take the ones
that you select that you feel are important.
Russ: alright. Okay, "the
Zeta's have been continuing with projects by our own
allowance. They've made some discoveries,
they're learning, they are growing and part of their
consciousness wants to just share the discoveries with
the people being channeled to. And the question I've
got is, supposedly this allowance that we give them is
all subconscious to let them in to tamper with our
bodies and work their experiments so they can learn."
What of this?
Omal: it is trickery and the way it is done is very
cleverly. Let me put it this way to you. Russ, would
you like to help us develop a higher
evolutionary mind on your planet?
Russ: of course.
Omal: would you let us do it our way so that you can
benefit in such a way that your race will grow at a
rapid accelerated rate and have all the lessons that
are necessary to learn in that accelerated time?
Russ: no, I'd rather learn on our own pace actually
but with insight from yourself is what I would but
knowing where this question is leading, yeah I would
Russ: not knowing......if I didn't know where it was
Omal: would you let us use the material from you that
would be able to create a group of individuals that
would be able to watch over and protect you?
Russ: well that's a tough one, because you already
have. (The visits we had made to Kornas for genetic
Omal: yes but that has been with full knowledge.
Russ: absolutely, right. So, without full knowledge,
I'd have to have my reservations
Omal: Karen, would you let us use your genetic
material, whatever is necessary, for us to create a
race of guardians to protect you from hostile aliens?
Karen: I don't know, well knowing who you guys are
yeah, but if I didn't know, no. I don't think I'd want
any parts of my body missing, I've already got parts
of my body missing.
Omal: oh, we would not take anything that would be
needed. We would only use material that you have to
Russ: like ovum.
Karen: oh, reproducing a mess of Karen's. It's like no
I don't think......I don't know.
Omal: no, Russ spoiled that actually.
Karen: I don't know if I.........well he's got a
couple kids up there.
Karen: and I've got mine down here and I know of three
and no, I don't think I'd want a whole mess of them I
didn't know about floating around no.
Omal: no but Russ spoiled the question. Russ, there
was a punishment for that.
Karen: should I bite him?
Omal: after the channeling session, 20 press ups
Russ: my shoulder's really killing me Omal.
Omal: it is the lesson and thank you for spoiling my
avenue that I was exploring but you see where I was
Omal: that the way that those were worded, you
voluntarily, consciously gave your consent up until
the last question.
Omal: if Russ hadn't of said borrowing ovum's or using
ovum's, would you have consented?
Karen: no, no because I mean if you guys are
going to create guardians to watch over me, you should
have the guardians there already.
Omal: true, true but you see what is
happening, the answer most people would give is yes to
protect your race. And I did not tell you everything,
I led you in an avenue that is easy for you to fall
into that saying yes, yes, yes, I did
not tell you what we intended to do with those
materials. I did not tell you how we wish to proceed,
I just asked you would it be possible, very nicely as
well I might add but I asked the
questions in such a way that I was using half-lies,
Karen: lying by omission.
Omal: correct. So you see where their questions head
and how they manipulate. I was not being particularly
clever in the way that I was wording them. I could
word it totally different and sucker you right in,
is easy to do.
Karen: I think any any being could do that, I mean you
know you can actually come through and just say that
you know "hey we're dying planet because the women
don't have any ovum, do you have any to spare?"
Karen: and any person with kids would say "sure, no
Omal: uh-huh exactly. So there are different ways of
doing it and this is what they've done. Next question
Russ: okay, "there's apparently various groups of
Zeta's spread out between three different categories.
Straight Zeta's which is they consciously exist within
the outer perimeters of fourth density reality therefore
they are just barely physical, mostly plasmic in
nature. Then there is the altered Zeta's which would
be a straight Zeta altered physically or in their
consciousness to allow them to interact with you on a
physical plane or a type of quasi-physical reality one
moment, one moment. Category three would be a hybrid,
many different offshoots. The idea you call negatively
oriented groups are not necessarily placed within
these categories we've outlined though they
can be for the purpose of illustration." Now the
question is, with the first two groups, they can work
with the person in their dream state. Does this also
Omal: yes, you can take somebody
physically in their dream state. For example, Mark,
Kiri could quite easily talk to somebody and have them
stand up and follow them by using coercion when
they're asleep, that is very easy to do.
Omal: you wake them up to a state where they're still
asleep but their mind is now conscious and easy to
manipulate. Kiri is saying that is one of the things
that is totally forbidden to do.
Russ: okay. Now with that same sentence, it makes the
subject that there are good Zeta's and of course
Russ: the good Zeta's are for example the 30
individuals sitting in a ship within the atmosphere of
the planet of the people that are being channeled to
Russ: is there good Zeta's?
Omal: yes there are just as there are good
humans and bad humans.
Omal: they suffer from the problem of they cannot
differentiate between what is positive and negative in
how they deal with people. They assume like most
intelligent races that a lower intelligence will see
it from their point of view. Whether their point of
view is flawed or not is besides the point,
intentions are as they see them good. The fact they do
not give you full information and access to that
information seems to be irrelevant for your own good
from their point of view.
okay. All right, are you on a time schedule that's real
Omal: I am a little.
Russ: all right, I'll try to rush through the worst of this
Omal: oops.... too slow.
Russ: one of the questions asked was if humanoids were to
take up travel in outer space, what changes would happen to
their bodies and the answer was, "the fact that there would
be a change in our connection to the time continuum which
would allow our DNA structure to unlock from the template of
the planet Earth time continuum to allow more freedom within
the consciousness to allow for other types of travel and
expansion once you leave your solar system." Now I don't
remember that ever having to happen but...
Omal: no, no. It doesn't quite work like that. They are
correct and they are lying, well not lying, they are tinting
the truth. What happens when individuals leave a planet is
the faster that they approach the speed of light, time slows
down externally for them relative to how fast they are
traveling. Let us say they are traveling at half-light
speed, which would make it about eight years to get to your
neighboring star. Okay, light travels at from there four
years approximately to your planet. Traveling at half-light
speed means that it would take you relatively inside the
ship only eight years to get there however, outside a
serious amount of time would have elapsed. Maybe 50 to
a 100 years. Because you have approached the half the speed
of light which means that time would speed up externally
whereas internally it would slow down but you would not
notice the change that it has slowed down. Let us say you
travel faster than the speed of light. Now, time externally
would really accelerate. The fact that you would arrive on
the planet let us say at twice the speed of light means that
only two years have elapsed for you but in actual fact, four
years has elapsed externally on your home planet. I know
there is a difference in the figures here. This is because
you would be seeing things four years in the past if you
were to look back. You take the four years and multiply it
by the speed so that would be 12 years. 12 years into your
future on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri, means that you
would be looking back 12 years to return back to your point
of origin. You would be the 12 years into the future plus
the return time which would make it 24 but traveling at half
the speed of light, that would be doubled.
Omal: the faster you travel, the less time would have been
Russ: thank you. Alright, another question that I've heard
before and this concerns everything that we're talking about
so far, what is the purpose and mission of the Zeta contact?
"And the idea they would like to stress most is they are
teaching us about fear. That they are in a sense
representing to us the idea of unity or as we represent to
them, the idea of individuality. And neither of us are
victims of the other, we are all co-creator's in what is
going on." Now in that sense, it makes it sound as though
our individuality is a negative.
Omal: it is not.
Russ: as opposed to their Borg like mentality.
Omal: it is not. Both are not. Does not a football team
function as one?
Omal: but yet the individuals on that team make it function
as one. Individual players, let us select somebody like Boswell
become heroes but without him, the team would not function
as well but without him, the team would continue and does
continue functioning. Let us take another individual, let us
Montana. When he was with the 49ers, the team
functioned wonderfully. He left the team and went to the
Kansas City team. What happened the 49ers?
Karen: they dropped but they survived.
Russ: yeah, they did great last season, better than Kansas
Omal: correct. So, the individual does not make a team, he
is a team player. Without him the team will carry on
functioning, not as well until it recovers, but it will
continue functioning. So to say that acting in a group-like
consciousness is good is wrong but it is also right. It
depends on how the group interacts. Whether or not becomes a
unit as one or reacts as a group of individuals acting as
one, individual choice could be good and bad. An individual
that makes a bad call but if it is carried out well, may in
actual fact turn out to be positive so both behaviors are
very necessary. The development of pure one consciousness is
a negative in that you have no free will to do as you wish
and your interaction is no longer valid in how the group
reacts. You react as the group wishes you to to a certain
situation. Certainly it has more different options to
explore but it has to be achieved quickly so therefore one
individual will oversee another individual in the
consciousness but individuality on its own can be very
dangerous if it is not used correctly in a group
environment. A group of individuals that work individually
may end up hurting each other. It is teamwork with
individual ways of behavior that seem to work best.
Russ: okay. Now this deals with the abductions and the fact
that the Zeta Reticuli have bred out of themselves that
which we call emotion and the purpose of the abductions is
that they can insert probes and then retract them at later
times which have stored up a neurochemical secretions that
they figure they can put into themselves to re-bring in
emotions into their race again.
Russ: now this is an act that we attribute to the negative
Zeta's as well as apparently the positives who perfectly say
"let's go along with this."
Omal: okay, extracting information can be useful but I refer
you to the answer I gave right at the start. That is the
best way to explain it.
Russ: okay. Karen, do you have any questions before I go on?
I've taken up all of them.
Karen: I don't think you've gotten to the one that I wanted
Russ: oh........I have one on sexual behavior.
Karen: that's not the one I wanted to ask. (Chuckles)
Russ: okay, now one of the things that came up here we had a
lot of problems with was "for as for the amount of
interaction we will have with you sexually, that will be up
to agreements between you as an individual and us as a
(The phone rings.)
Omal: maybe it would be appropriate to pick up the
communication device of this point.
Russ: (picks up the phone.) Hello.
(The following phone conversation was edited out.)
Russ: so again we come to as in your first explanation that
they agree to the sexual interactions but I cannot see the
purpose of them because later on we see that they are using
them to breed a hybrid race that don't actually reach
maturity, they die off prior to that and they cannot figure
Omal: it is obvious and very easy to understand why these
offspring which is a bad term, they might as well say lab
animals, die off. It is because they use them in such a way
that their life expectancy is basically drained from them.
The experiments that they run on them drain out their
existence. If you insert needles and extract hormones and
chemicals and blood and tissue and secretions, you're
draining the life form. A certain amount can be withstood
but continuous tapping in and draining, drains the life flow
and the life energy. It is hard to understand that these
Zeta's do not understand that by doing this, they themselves
are causing the problem that they can't understand.
Russ: hmm, okay. One part that brought up about this was the
fact that because there was no love that was interacted
between the Zeta's and the children and that the only love
that came was from adults that they had abducted and brought
to the ship to give the children love.
Omal: uh-huh, that is quite correct but by abducting the
individuals even though they may put on a front of being
happy and cheerful, they are not. The children sense this
and therefore do not actually take the pseudo-love that is
being given. Even though as was said last night, some love
is better than no love. The children, because of their
environment, do not trust these individuals. It is necessary
for the children to bond with individuals. For example,
Karen's children, they have grown well and are happy because
they have bonded with individuals on an individual
one-on-one basis. If for example let us take Anna-Marie. If
Karen, Karen's mother, the person that was the father were
all linked together as a group consciousness, then
Anna-Marie would have been very confused in the fact of was
she talking to her grandmother, her mother or her father? So
therefore a distrust will develop. Even though it may be
Karen she is facing or Karen's mother or her father, she
would not be sure if she was dealing with her father, or
Karen or her grandmother.
Russ: hmm, well on the same note, one of the people are
asking questions asked the question that she remembered
seeing a six-year-old child on the ship and she was with two
people. She had scars on her face and she bent down to
acknowledge her, it was very important for her to love that
child. They said that she had been sick and I said "I didn't
care" and wanted to kiss her. And she kissed all the scars
on her face and I felt a love for her and then she asked if
that was her child. And the answer was that "your emotion
will answer the question for you, trust those emotions." And
then she says that "if you can send her love I would be
grateful" and they say "you will have an option to see her
Omal: again, I refer you to the question that was just
stated or the answer I just said. To that I would like to
add the fact that they were using the child in a carefully
orchestrated situation as a bait to get this person back up
so that she could be used and manipulated again. Whether the
child is hers or not is irrelevant, the fact that it could
be her child makes it even more tricky and devious the way
that they're behaving. They're using the carrot method to
get a response and to get material. The natural instinct of
mothers and fathers to protect things that they perceive as
their offspring is a very strong and powerful tool that will
make them do very strange things even to the point of laying
down their own lives for their offspring. It is not just a
human emotion. If you were to threaten the feline's kittens
upstairs, she would fight to the death to protect them.
Russ: hmm, scary. Well one of my last questions then is they
claim to be living upon the fourth and fifth dimensions,
nothing about the sixth.
Omal: it is impossible to live in time. It is very hard to
live in the fifth dimension. It can be done if you use
energy fields to manipulate and maintain a safe environment,
a stable environment but without those aides it is
impossible. We live in the fifth dimension in a sixth
dimensional workspace, in essence we live in the fifth
dimension. We use gravitational energy to create a stable
environment that does not give us the serious headaches that
you would expect in a less technologically evolved
civilization. As has been stated in the past, you could put
many cases into a matchbox, many cases of wine......
Omal: but they may all explode out as the fifth dimensional
properties change within the matchbox.
Russ: okay. Well that's all the questions on that matter, if
there's anything else you would like to add though, I'd be
happy to add it on to the webpage.
Omal: yes, let us answer Karen's question.
Russ: all right.
Karen: how do you know it wasn't asked? It wasn't okay fine,
I just thought I'd ask.
Omal: it was self-evident that it was not.
Karen: well they said if they can only take you if you
Karen: now that means to say that these abductions are
voluntary or are they not voluntary?
Omal: I refer you to the answer I gave at the start.
Karen: well, it's trickery.
Karen: but they're still saying that every time they probe
you and stuff like that they have been.......they ask your
permission first regardless of the questions they give you.
Karen: but still, is it voluntary? Are they really taking
these people voluntary or are these people just being taken
Omal: these people have been tricked into giving voluntary
consent. It is for example......Kiri puts it so much better
than I would have. "Come, let us have pleasure, I will
please you." Is what she's saying. "Let me make you feel
happy and complete but let me give you the gifts that you so
wish desire to have upon you. So much pleasure, will you
come and join me in that pleasure?"
Karen: Kiri sounds like that?
Omal: she says she'll handcuff you.
(Laughter all around.)
Omal: she'll handcuff your feet to the bed and make sure
they're wide-open but she did not say that, she said that
after the way that she worded it.
Omal: that she would give you pleasure and joy but she did
not say that she was going to strap you to the bed and
handcuff you and do with you as she so desires.
(More laughter all around.)
Omal: the fact that she would not do that to you is besides
the point, the fact she is using it as a demonstration tool
is the lesson.
Omal: okay thank you.
Karen: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be back.
(Tia comes back to take her turn to
Karen: affect her when she needs energy is the first things
Russ: ask Tia.
Karen: Tia, nice pose. Need a little tutu on though or
something black and sexy.
Tia: I'm wearing something white and sexy.
Karen: well actually you're wearing red and blue but that's
Tia: no I'm not, I'm wearing a toga.
Karen: well not down here you ain't.
Tia: oh, Mark's body.
Karen: yes, he'd look really funny in a toga right about
Tia: he does wear a toga actually.
Karen: well that's up there.
Tia: uh-huh, not very often, normally......
Karen: I've seen the legs, he does have nice legs though.
Tia: oh he does?
Russ: better legs than a table.
Karen: okay, what's in the fourth and fifth dimension?
Tia: the fourth is time, pure time.
Karen: the fourth is time?
Tia: uh-huh. Think of all the possibilities that could
happen from one event, that is time and all of them
happening at the same time. Fifth is space but not space as
in go out there above your planet's atmosphere. It
is......how would be the best way to explain it? Omal used
the analogy of having a matchbox and putting cases of wine
in there. Another way to explain it would be, let us say you
wanted to get to the pizza box that you put up in the
Karen: actually no, it is laying at your feet practically.
Tia: oh it is? Okay, that's better yet. Now let us assume
you wanted a piece of pizza right?
Tia: you get up and you take one step.
Tia: and it's just as far away as it was when you started.
You take five steps and it's still just as far away as it
started. You take a 100 steps and it is still just as far
away as when you started. You turn around, you walk towards
the door, and let us say you assume that you can get to the
door, you do. You open the door, you go out, you
walk all way around, come back in and you step in the box as
you come down the steps. Oops. But that's the way the fifth
dimension works. Or, I should say it's what, about five
Karen: it's maybe about two.
Russ: two steps.
Tia: okay well let us say you're sitting there and you
decide you want your piece of pizza. You get up and take one
step and you're right there right? The properties of the
fifth dimension are never constant. It's.....things do not
appear as they are. For example, let us say that Russ wanted
to get to that box right? And let us say we go through all
the grief and aggravation of explaining taking steps
directly towards it. Russ turns around, walks up across the
ceiling, across the wall, down the other side and picks up
Russ: what controls the fifth dimension or is it an
Tia: it's uncontrolled.
Karen: so it's unconditional space?
Tia: correct. For example, let us say you wanted to go to
Mars from your planet. Normally it would take about six
months to a year to travel with your current technology
Tia: but in the fifth dimension you could never reach it or,
you can hop in a Boeing 747, take off and land on it. All
very confusing isn't it? So it's never constant.
Tia: there's a part of the base right down at the very
bottom, right against the energy generators that we use as a
training tool for people that need to learn the lessons of
the fifth dimension. We take them down there, we set up a
table and we set up food on that table, we set a chair up
paces away, we switch off the field within that contained
area and ask them to have dinner.
Karen: and they can't get to the table.
Tia: or they get the table straightaway and the instructions
are quite clear. Every time you grab a piece of food, you
must only take one item, you return back to your seat. And
Russ: getting back to the seat might be just as much trouble
as getting to the table.
Tia: there you go, you see?
Karen: in other words, you don't eat until tomorrow so class
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Tia gets the second half started.)
Karen: now the time when is
all time everywhere? Or is it..... I mean is..... I mean how
confusing is is that?
Tia: all time relevant to you. For example, Mark uses the
analogy of you're driving down the road right? Your car
makes left turn, a right turn, keeps going, backs up, rolls
over, has a flat tire, runs into somebody, stops dead, has a
flat tire in the front tire, has a flat tire in the back
tire and so on, you see all the possibilities?
Tia: the engine explodes, the car catches fire, all these
things happen at the same time and if you were to look into
the fourth dimension, you would see them happening all at
the same time. You'd see all the possibilities.
Karen: I see..... oh, I see what you're saying.
Russ: what I don't understand is how all these channelers
can channel beings who's saying that they all exist on the
fourth dimension and we're preparing us to make that
transition up to the fourth dimension.
Karen: why would you want everything happening to you the
Russ: and I don't see how we could live there anyway even if
we could and since we can't, why are these channelers
getting it all wrong? Is this consciousness intruding on the
Tia: correct. Certain amounts yes. Those that you find that
explain it, that you cannot live in the fourth or the fifth
are true trance channelers. The majority are conscious
Russ: who can't believe that any information coming through
saying that they're going to live on the sixth could be
Russ: they reject it and insert their own information.
I asked yesterday about...........because I had
mentioned about the sixth dimension.
Karen: and somebody came back and asked me and says, "well
what about....you skipped right over the fourth and fifth."
Karen: and I said, "well" I said, I'll find out about the
fourth and the fifth and I'll get back to you tomorrow
Tia: now you have the information.
Karen: now I've got the information.
Karen: so maybe they'll understand.
Tia: uh-huh. Another analogy that is useful is to tell
somebody to get a box that is an inch high right?
Tia: and a box that is a foot high. Hold them side-by-side
and tell them which is the bigger and they will tell you the
one that is a foot high.
Tia: and you tell him to take the box that is a foot high,
take it all the way across from one corner to another, stand
it in the far corner. You stand in one corner, the box is in
the furthest corner. The hold out box that is an inch high.
Now which looks bigger?
Karen: the little guy.
Tia: correct, perception you see?
Karen: this is like the leaning in....
Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.
Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.
Russ: they had something similar set up.
Karen: it's like it's........kind of like crooked so you're
Russ: I never did figure out how they did that either where
they have a pool table...
Karen: but you're walking sideways and you're actually
standing up straight but it looks like you're walking
mean you could be looking at your....at Mark and
he'd be coming to you needing a V-8.
Karen: I mean he's just leaning to one side and you're like
"wow" or the pool table that gets the ball and put the ball
in the table and it goes not the way the table's leaning but
in the opposite pocket.
Tia: uh-huh, it's all perception.
Russ: I never got how they did that, mirrors probably.
very, very simple. Okay you have the room leaning actually
one way right? And you set the table up so it's leaning in
the opposite way with more lean right? But, with the tilt,
it looks as if it's flat.
Karen: no, the table actually was leaning.
Tia: uh-huh, the table does lean. Okay, next question. Oh
well, better put on the next speaker.
Karen: I need some tea, I'll get some.
Tia: oh that would be nice.
Karen: I'll get....oh good one.
Tia: now seeing that I managed to get his eye open. I mean,
that's perception for you there.
Karen: that was perception.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay.....(Speaks on the base to Kiri.) Kiri,
could you put that down please? Stop sucking on it, it's
Russ: girls, girls.
(Karra is the next person to channel.)
Karra: hello, hi dear.
Russ: hi love.
see Karen has got up and left.
Russ: yeah she's getting some tea.
Karra: oh that's very kind of her and Tia runs out on
her. How are you doing?
Russ: oh I'm doing good but that letter from Sarah
kind of got me.
Karra: yes, it got me too. I think the only person that did
not have tears in their eyes was Omal. I sometimes wonder
about his emotional level, I think he controls them very
Russ: uh-huh, though he does have them.
Karra: oh yes. But Tia, her eyes were wet and Kiri was
actually crying when she was reading it.
Karra: hear her take gulps every so often and pause? It
wasn't for dramatic effect.
Russ: more often than not, we run into entities called Sarah
where of course from our Sirian
Chronicles, we find that Sarra is a person of
Karra: that's Sarra.
Russ: I know but I mean where did the word you know Sarah
come from? It has to have roots in Sarra.
Karra: uh-huh, it does.
Russ: and so our Sarah returning to Sirius has got kind of
an ironic twist to it you might say.
Karra: yes it does in the way. The fact that she...the fact
that she is taking dying very well. From what grandmother
told me the other day is that she is taking a lot of pride
and pleasure in picking out the perfect return vessel. And
she's even polished it herself and she's laid down to make
sure it's nice and comfortable for her and she's
got it all nicely lined and everything and she's got little
pockets in there where she can put things to take with her
even though she will never see them again in her physical,
corporal form, she wants them with her. Her little teddy
bear that one of the cubs gave her, a holo disk that Kiri
gave her, things like that. The things that don't seem that
much but they seem a lot to her. A pin she was given from
one of the pilots when she was going with Kiri to Sirius.
Russ: when is she going to be....when she gets interned,
is there going to be a notice that some folks that might be
able to astral travel to that spot?
Karra: I don't think it would be appropriate for anybody to
know where she is buried.
Karra: we will hold a midnight ceremony over her. The pilot
and the people that take her there will hold a ceremony.
Russ: okay, well she'll be remembered.
Karra: yeah and one other thing that she wants is she wants
a wild rose bush to be planted over her.
Karen: oh I'm with her, I agree.
Karra: yes she's very understanding of death. Thank you.
Russ: probably become more so as the....
Karra: days get closer.
Russ: so, the question I've got darling is with all that she
went through here on third dimension, with all that she went
through the Zeta's, with all that she went through on Hades
base and now all that she's going through with Sirius, would
you say that this is maybe a shortcut to sixth dimension for
Karra: no. There's only two possibilities. She was either
ready to come to the sixth dimension and needed to go
through that suffering to cleanse her soul or she wasn't
Karra: the fact that she's been given a glimpse means that
she has the possibility if she comes to terms with it in the
appropriate way of going to sixth. The letter implied that
she wants to be Kiri's daughter.
Russ: hmmm. Well they'll be some time between rebirth so...
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: it's still a ways away.
Russ: sounds like a very special lady though.
Kara: she is a very special lady. All the times that I have
worked on her to comfort her to take away the pain
temporarily, I mean it was nowhere near what Kiri did for
her. Kiri doesn't talk about the images that she got from
a private thing for her.
Karra: something that Kiri feels very strongly about but
Tia is saying let's move onto something bright and cheerful.
She's saying that Sarah would not want you to be upset or
sad at what's coming.
Karen: can we entitle her letter?
Karen: is there a way to entitle her letter instead of just
saying it's a letter from Sarah? It was taken from certain
Karra: actually Russ will come up with a title, if not, I'll
help him but at the moment I can't think of a appropriate
name apart from a letter of understanding.....a letter
or forgiveness. That would be a good name for it but it
doesn't sound quite right you know?
Russ: we'll work on it.
Karra: yeah, yes we will.
Russ: okay, so on the webpage we've got new stuff for me for
the "how to" section.
Karra: yes okay how to heal.
Russ: how to heal.
Karra: I don't think we have enough time on this tape but
let us lay out a basic framework to start off with on how a
healer should be. A healer must be able to put their
personal emotions to one side. They must be positive, not
"I'm going to try, I will do this." They must open and
receptive to the person's input, not this is the way it's
done. It's "okay how do you want us to do this? What is the
best way?" A healer must be confident, know that they can do
it. A healer must also know their limitations. For example,
I do not see any third dimensional healers being able to
reach down, push down the bone and set the leg without
causing pain. A healer must know something of standard
medicine. Basics, basic first aid, basic hygiene. Hygiene is
very important. You can set the leg but if your hands are
not clean, you can infect the wound and cause more problems
and possibly even kill the person. A healer must know when
to refer the patient to somebody that has better equipment
and knowledge. A healer must be able to admit defeat. A
healer must be able to comfort the mind as well. If you
remember with Carrie, most of the healing was done vocally.
A healer must know how to make the person do the work.
There's only so much that a healer can do. Lastly, a healer
must not get emotionally involved but that's the hardest
rule to obey. Russ, have you ever seen me get emotionally
Karra: and how did I respond?
Russ: crying your eyes out.
Karra: uh-huh, yes I did, didn't I?
Karra: uh-huh but what was the end result?
Russ: a healing.
Russ: it went beyond it I'm sure.
Karra: oh yes, I pushed myself to the limit and that was
done with love. Yeah.....
Russ: of course.
Karra: and I knew that I could win. And what is the end
result of my winning? She's got the one thing she really
desired. (Carrie had her daughter.)
Russ: yes she does.
Russ: that's all because of you my darling.
Karra: thank you. No it's not all because of me.
Russ: well a lot of it is.
Russ: a lot of it is her.
Karra: a lot of it is her.
Russ: you gave her the reason to do it........
Russ: and the belief that she could do it.
Karra: that's right, that's right, see?
Russ: but without you she wouldn't of had that, she wouldn't
of even started trying.
Karra: uh-huh. But we set up the framework for her to
achieve the goal and she's got the gift that she wanted and I
think she'll have one more.
Karra: uh-huh, and
when she's born, we'll send her a special present.
you have any questions for Karra?
Karen: Russ told me that you're going to try and help
with my problem.
Karra: oh yes, yes. That still plaguing you?
Karen: not as much no.
Karra: hmmm, okay what we want you to do is of course
Karra: okay, we want you to lay off of anything that has a
yeast in it, just for a week. So, no bread.
Russ: no beer.
Karen: no pizza.
Karra: no beer.
Russ: no pizza.
Karen: no pizza.
Karen: I had them order pizza tonight.
Karen: okay no pizza, no bread. Well that's my basic diet
Karra: uh-huh, no fruit.
Karen: no fruit? Except for cranberry juice.
Karra: except for cranberry juice.
Karen: all right but anyway I'm allergic to.....
Karra: okay, can you think of anything else that has yeast
Russ: wine has yeast.
Karra: wine? No wine.
Karen: wine has yeast?
Karra: uh-huh, how you think it gets brewed? Don't sit it in
Karen: so that's right, it sits in kegs.
Karra: and besides, wine is a fruit.
Karen: wine is a grape.
Russ: you might as well say all alcohol.
Karra: exactly, all alcohol is out.
Karen: milk too?
Russ: no, no milk's healthy.
Karra: no yeast in milk.
Russ: that's got yeast.
Karra: uh-huh, just for a week okay?
Karra: now also, we want you to repeat 10 times each night
before you go to rest. "I will heal, I will get better."
Karen: okay, I can do that.
Karra: uh-huh, 10 times each night just before you go to
Karra: unless of course you are doing other things than you
say it 10 times before.
Russ: or after.
Karra: or after, if you have the energy okay?
Karen: thank you.
Karen: okay now apart from the yeast or okay because the
yeast infection is basically gone.
Karra: uh-huh, there is still a trace there.
Karen: right there is a trace but it's basically gone.
Karra: okay now the other one, hmm. Okay we're going to use
the same methods that we used on Carrie okay? We want you to
generate in front of you a clear white ball right? About
yeah big right? We want you to visualize this white ball
Karra: now we want you to visualize a streak of energy
coming out and going bomph, right in the head and it goes
all the way down through the chakras right?
Karra: and it goes back into the ball and then it goes
back through the ball, dropping off the negative energy into
the third eye and then all the way down through the crown
chakra, the brow chakra, all the way down. Right through the
root chakra and back out. Now to start off with, we want it
to go at this speed. And then as you get that pattern down,
we want it to go faster and faster and faster until it
becomes a complete blur. The whole entire cycle becomes a
blur. Okay after a couple of minutes we want you to stop
with all the energy that that string has picked up, stopping
the ball. Then we want you to visualize the ball being
destroyed, obliterated, exploding away from you. Being
pushed away which is you pushing away all the bad, all the
the lumps and the cysts and the calcium deposits, all being
Karra: okay? Then we want you to pick up the healing crystal
and we want you to hold the healing crystal. Now the energy
in the healing crystal goes through the same process apart
from it does not get sucked back into the energy.....into
the healing crystal. It gets dumped out into the ground. In
doing this what is happening is anything that is left behind
getting dirty energy has been dumped and dropped out.
Karra: okay what we can do at a later date when there is
more time, is go through a full healing. Now this has got to
be done when you have the time afterwards to go and rest
because you will be tired. You remember that Carrie had to
lie down for quite a while Russ?
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: uh-huh, cups of tea...oh another thing, green tea.
Karen: I drank my first green tea yesterday.
Karra: keep that up. Carrot juice and carrots, you can drink
that. Fresh clear water.
Karra: got to drink some of that, keep the fluids up. Any
Karen: nice seeing you again.
Karra: oh that's good. Also Russ can help by
focusing energy.....and this is a good lesson for
you.....something that we wanted to do but couldn't do it
with Carrie because.....
Karra: uh-huh but you can use your hands, pump energy
through with your hands.
Karra: okay? Any more questions?
Russ: no my love.
Karra: and it's good to be useful. Karen, any more
Karen: no thank you.
Karra: okay, see you guys later.
(Tia takes over again.)
Karen: hi Tia.
Tia: how much time we got left on the.......
Russ: 12 minutes 35 seconds.
Tia: (blows a raspberry.)
Karen: did it reach?
Tia: nuh uh. Wouldn't do that anyway. It's not nice to spit
people. It's not nice to abuse their property. Okay, let me
put on the last person with the special guest speaker. But
before I do that, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, forgive me.
Karen: that's okay, we thought Mark's mouth had a hole in
Tia: I can't control it properly, I was going to gargle with
(Kiri is back.)
Kiri: yo, I'm back. My eyes are dry and clean.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Karen: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo. Okay, let's get the special guest speaker out of
the way first.
Kiri: let me put the little dynamo in my lap and get him to
behave himself. God that feels strange, having Mark's body
roll over like that when I'm actually sitting with, with the
little guest speaker in my lap.
Karen: I hope she's not suffocating him.
Kiri: go ahead talk. Leonedies, use the system, not
(Leonedies comes on briefly.)
Leonedies: hello and welcome to tonight. I'm going to talk
about the alien mindset. The alien mindset of less
evolutionary developed individuals seems to me to be a
serious threat to the safety and well-being of third
dimensional, bipedal lifeforms or humanoids. It is
throughout history, seem to me to be one race leaded by
another in a manipulative, condescending, arrogant sort of
way. It seems that these species, not only bipedal, gray
skinned, carbon-based life forms but other life forms based
seem to react in a condescending way to the intelligence.
Karen: I'm sorry. Sounds so cute.
Russ: it was the gray skin, bipedal, carbon-based lifeform I
believe was funny.
Karen: I'm sorry.
is necessary for the understanding of all parties concerned
that it is a path that is walked. The letter from young lady
said that she held no malice. It is necessary to understand
that they too have to live with what they have done. The
more evolved they become, the more pity they should realize
in the fact of what they have done. It is necessary for them
to continue even though it is wrong, for their evolutionary
process and yours thank you.
Russ: thank you Leonedies.
Karen: thank you. Sorry again.
(Kiri finishes up the night.)
Kiri: I do apologize for my son.
Russ: no don't, that's all right. It was just kind of funny
though to see someone with the mentality of Ashtar talking
in the voice of....
Karen: Mickey Mouse. (Laughs)
Kiri: well he says that he does that so you can
differentiate the fact that he's only in a little body.
Karen: he is, I mean I could actually picture him and it was
just so cute. Especially when he looked at me and said,
"what was funny?"
Kiri: he doesn't have the same sort of sense of humor. He
was trying to reason out.....I got him to slow down to an
understandable level this time didn't I?
uh-huh, yeah you did.
Karen: yeah I was wondering if he actually took a breath in
between all that.
Kiri: I don't think he did. Well first of all, he
transmitted the whole entire dissertation telepathically
which took him about 10 seconds.
then when he realized, well when I informed him that it was
not being received by the machine, we all heard it. It made
Tia sit up and look like somebody had stuck a spike up
her....nevermind. But everybody received it. Unfortunately
it was too fast for the machine and wasn't transmitted at
the machine. He just transmitted it on a wideband and bap.
You know what little boys are like.
Russ: he's getting better though.
Russ: still it's good to hear him, is he being a rather good
boy lately then that he gets to channel?
good. Has not dismantled any fluffy toys, any dolls,
Russ: well good, I'm glad this is his reward.
Russ: one of his rewards, I'm sure there's many others.
Kiri: yes, uh-huh. Yeah one is we're going to take him down
to the rock garden.
Russ: what rock garden?
Kiri: it's a crystal garden, you know the one that is
stashed away where people go from time to time to be alone?
Russ: I've heard about it, I've haven't been there yet.
Kiri: no, it's a place that you go to be alone. People won't
go there......for example if I go down there and there's
somebody in there, I won't go in. What I would do is
when it's empty which would be probably about 3 o'clock our
time in the morning, is I'll wake him up, take him down
there and let them sit in there and be comfortable.
Russ: how do you know if someone's in there?
Kiri: normally a pair of shoes outside.
Kiri: or a jacket or the door will be closed.
Russ: I'll get instructions from Karra.
Russ: I'll get instructions from Karra on how to get down
there. I'll check it out on the map on the computer.
Russ: see if I can stop in there sometime after three.
Kiri: three in the morning?
Russ: yeah when I am up your time, that's only five in the
Kiri: yeah but I'm going to take him down there,
not tonight but soon. That's something else he's got to
learn is patience. Okay, questions for me.
Russ: I can see Leonedies going "oh look at, silicone-based
Kiri: well he said carbon didn't he?
Russ: yeah but the crystals would be silicone-based.
Kiri: oh correct, they would be.
Russ: oh let's see, since we have five minutes and 26
seconds left to go.
Kiri: oh before Karen has to depart?
Russ: no, before the tape runs out.
Kiri: oh, we're keeping a chronometer on it are we?
Russ: well I took a wild guess and I've got the feeling I
might be right.
Karen: how many more minutes?
Russ: five minutes.
Karen: pretty close.
Kiri: okay, let us continue.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: Tia's just pointed out, that's where he gets his
Kiri: from me.
Russ: oh from you?
Kiri: yes, when I said okay let us continue.
Russ: actually I have something in here marked Kiri.
Kiri: oh doesn't involve lots of sex?
Russ: no, not the sex part.
Kiri: oh bummer.
Russ: you get enough sex, you don't need any more from here.
Karen: I don't know, you got these guys watching in whenever
Kiri: they're watching up here.
Karen: I just hope they get their eyes full.
Kiri: oh boy, if I came down there, they would be all over
your house and they would get more than an eye full.
Karen: I'm sure they would Kiri from what I've heard.
Kiri: I'd just spin their heads.
Russ: here it goes.
Karen: one way or another.
Kiri: hey with coercion I'd just....
Karen: in every sense of the word.
Kiri: I would certainly open their eyes.
Karen: that would definitely spin their head too.
Kiri: uh-huh. Now what would I bring down with me? I could
bring my two-way, bring my squirty one that vibrates on
Russ: if you don't mind, I'd like to get back to business
please. The question is asked, would that mean that if you
had some kind of chronograph or wristwatch, that it would
keep different time for you then someone else. And if this
is if you are on a spaceship, what kind of time system and
the answer is, in that sense the chronograph will not work.
The electromagnetic fields would allow it to not operate in
the way that it was designed. So if you're on a spaceship,
my wristwatch is going to not work anymore correct?
Karen: I think that's a laugh.
Kiri: Kiri goes giggle, giggle, giggle. Giggle, giggle,
giggle. Giggle, giggle......
Karen: and all those other ones in between.
Kiri: or he he he he he he he he he he he. That's baloney.
If you have a chronometer that works on electrical impulses,
it will continue to work, here is the reason. Because you
are inside the electromagnetic field, it surrounds you but
does not penetrate you because it is all focused outside,
externally to create the gravimetrical field. You are inside
the gravimetrical field which means it does not interfere
with you. Everything is focused outside so therefore, the
electric magnetical field does not affect you because the
gravimetrical field pushes it away. You're here on this side
right? This is the wall, gravimetrical energy is focused out
right? And then the gravimetrical field pushes the electric
magnetic field out which gives the lift, very simple. It is
focused away from you so your chronometer would continue to
function. However, as you approach as Omal pointed out the
speed of light, it would work at a slower rate than
Kiri: because time would be passing faster externally
outside the field that you have generated, things would seem
accelerated. For example, let us say my two fingers or
Mark's two fingers are walking. That's normal speed. You
inside would see this if you're looking outside.
Russ: so if it took five light years to get to Sirius.
Russ: okay? Well let's say it takes an hour. Let's say like
Sirius is one hour, a light hour away okay?
Russ: okay now I get in the ship and I travel to Sirius one
Russ: okay? Now, my watch is 9:30 and Karen has to go.
Russ: but, when I get to Sirius, is it going to say 10:30 or
is it going to be a lot slower?
Kiri: no it will say 10:30.
Russ: bye love.
Karen: bye hon.
Russ: but the actual time is different.
Karen: by Kiri.
Kiri: correct externally, bye Karen.
Russ: the time on Sirius then is actually......
Kiri: take care.
Karen: yes you too.
Kiri: I will.
Russ: is actually 11:30.
Kiri: correct. You see it's the relevant time.
Kiri: okay? Inside time will continue. If it takes you an
hour to travel that distance and it's only a light hour away
Kiri: then it takes you one hour to travel there. But that
hour has more than elapsed.
Karen: I think I have mental telepathy to start my car. Oh,
need my keys. See you later.
Kiri: it doesn't work.
Kiri: you see what I'm saying?
Kiri: okay, now let us say that it is one light hour away
but you cover that distance in half the time.
Kiri: it takes you 30 light minutes.
Kiri: pardon me.
Russ: no problem.
Kiri: or pardon Mark's body rather. So what is happening?
You are traveling at twice the speed of light.
Kiri: which means that you have traveled the distance from
your planet to our planet in half an hour.
Kiri: half an hour of your time but an hour has actually
elapsed from earth time. It's only taken you a half-hour.
It's taken you a half-hour....let's say the times are
exactly the same, it's 9:30 earth time, 9:30
Sirius time right?
Kiri: your time where you're going to land okay? Half an
hour has elapsed, it's now 10 o'clock for you right? But
because it takes light an hour to travel from there, it's
10:30 when you arrive there.
Kiri: but, meanwhile back on earth, two hours have elapsed.
Return trip right? How much time has elapsed?
Russ: well according to Omal then, four hours would've
Russ: now, how far is Hades base in lightspeed terms?
Kiri: it's about nine minutes.
Russ: nine minutes. That's close.
Kiri: but this is where it gets tricky. We can get from
Hades Base to earth right? In about three minutes. That's
from getting in the aircraft to getting to your planet.
Kiri: but that's manipulation of dimensions.
Russ: oh dimensions......that's why Mark can get there
faster than nine minutes even though he cannot travel at the
speed of light.
Kiri: no he's traveling at a totally different.....
no, he can't travel at the speed of thought.
Kiri: he's traveling a totally different route.
Russ: right, because he's manipulating time.
Kiri: correct. Now, if you remember, going back almost four
years right? Well over four years actually. I took a trip, I
was three months pregnant right? I came back six months
pregnant but I was only gone for what, a week of
Russ: manipulation of timeframes.
Kiri: correct and I had three months great relaxation
but I could not go back in that three month period.
Russ: right, so that's how that works.
Russ: hmm, because you may run into yourself.
Kiri: correct. I could've gone back as long as I avoided all
the places that I went to.
Russ: yeah but that would be rather impossible.
Kiri: and also the fact that I'd have to avoid people that I
was hanging out with.
Russ: and what happens if you meet yourself? We're talking
Russ: but the time continuum does not collapse.
Russ: I'm assuming because it has happened before.
Kiri: yes. It can be very confusing.
Kiri: there is a story told of a guy or a man that met
Kiri: and he asked himself what was going to happen because
he assumed that the person was a future aspect. It actual
fact, the person was a past aspect. Totally confused. The
guy sat down, almost had a nervous breakdown because he
couldn't figure it out. Because you don't know if it's a
future or a past aspect because the fact that I happen to
look exactly the same as I did four years ago, or 4 1/2
years ago when I lost my virginity to a man as opposed to
women, is besides the point.
Russ: yeah but you're a different person.
Kiri: I've changed, but not that much.
Russ: oh I don't know about that.
Kiri: physically, I am the same person.
Russ: but in talking to you, you're a different person.
Kiri: what do you mean about that?
Russ: well for example, the young lady who idolized you and
came to Hades Base to work with you.
Russ: because of your talents and your reputation.......
Russ: had so far proceeded you.
Russ: she knew you as somebody who was this one person on
Russ: now she meets you you later on and had she met you
four years ago, before you met Mark.
Kiri: I would've seduced her in a heartbeat.
Russ: in a heartbeat and you would not have been the same
person. She would not have recognized the person now who is
speaking to her.
Kiri: the fact that I would love to make love to her but of
her own volition. She has to make the decision, not me
Russ: right, and you're also a mother now....
Kiri: which means you have gained a mother's empathy
Kiri: which is the thing that stopped me from seducing
Kiri: is that she is in my eyes still a child.
Kiri: even though a very attractive, sexy child.
Russ: now she might seduce you which would be a paradox in
Kiri: I was about to say, seducing me? I've had more women
in my life than you've had.
Russ: well yeah of
course. You have a better.....
Kiri: I had more women this year in my life than you've had.
Russ: (laughs) well I'd brag about it too. But the whole
point of that is that it still....it still makes you someone
who is now growing and learning and you've put more time or
things together in your four years then you've put it in
your whole probably 45 years of existence more or less.
Russ: 58. Something like that right but it has been quite a
very busy four years for you.
Kiri: no more than normal. I mean the fact that I've had two
Russ: Alex is about to turn...
Kiri: about to turn four.
Kiri: the fact that I've had three men in my life....no,
four men in my life.
Russ: thank you.
Kiri: the fact five years ago that I used to look at men and
go oh well is where I have changed, I have changed in
outlook. The fact that I will look at a young lady and
think, "hmmm, she's a nice lady" and then later think maybe
I should put the moves on her and go, "naahh. I can go home
and get drilled out by Tia or Mark."
Russ: and you know it's you know, it's just fun that you
know in this four years we've all kind of gone through major
Russ: okay. All right, now on to more serious subjects.
Russ: well Tia's still there right?
Russ: so we had some interesting occurrences happening in
our stock market lately.......
Russ: and with you both there I'm wondering what this bodes
for how our current situation looks?
Kiri: Tia says watch and learn and remember. Tia also says
do you know how many points it's dropped since January the
Kiri: she said it's dropped over 500 points.
Russ: Jesus. Okay, now I need to put together
the..........some of the various tapes that we used to put
you know their predictions, Omal's and Tia's. You
don't happen to remember those dates do you?
Kiri: no I don't.
Russ: well darling, when do we do a coercion how to?
Kiri: if we had more time, it would take probably about 20
minutes to do.
Russ: can we plan is for next week possibly?
Kiri: possibly yes.
Russ: I'll leave it open for your own perusal.
Russ: please tell Leonedies I said thank you for his
wonderful dissertation this evening and I will be using it
Kiri: I think all those things, those three things should go
together. The letter....
Russ: I agree.
Kiri: Omal's thing and then Leonedies thing.
Russ: I will explain he is only not quite two years old.
Kiri: he's over two years old.
Russ: over two years old.
Kiri: my, time does fly.
Russ: well it's so subjective.
Russ: it's funny, he does have the mentality of Ashtar, he
just doesn't have the emotional control.
Kiri: he doesn't have the bladder control sometimes either.
Kiri: sitting there growling at me now.
Kiri: the fact that he knows it's true. I mean he's out of
his diapers, it's just sometimes he has accidents.
Russ: right. Now he understands about webpages doesn't he?
Kiri: he could probably tell you how to do your webpage.
Russ: good, yeah he's going to be featured as one of our
Russ: this next week I believe.
Kiri: what do you think of Mark's gift to Alex? He told you
Russ: it's really neat.
Kiri: yes I'm going to get a particle generator for him.
Russ: a particle generator? What will that do?
Kiri: what basically does is, it takes particles and
generates a field for them to work within. For example,
they're very expensive, I don't have one. They're very, very
expensive, a good one. I'm not getting the best, I'm getting
one that will just give touch. What it does is.....
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