hands off to Kiri.)
let's get down to business. I'm going to put
Kiri on first to read her letter.
Tia: okay? And
then Kiri will hop off and
then we'll get down to Omal straightaway,
(Kiri comes on to read the
letter from Sarah.)
hello. Okay let me start. Okay it goes:
Tia, Russ, Mark and dearest Kiri, thank you
very much for your assistance in helping me
through a most difficult time in my life. The
fact now that I know that I'm dying from what
was done to me is unimportant. The experiments
that they ran, although I do not recall them
very clearly, were very horrific but
the love that you have shown me and the times
that you have helped me when I have been in
acute pain and suffering have brightened my
life tremendously. Even though I know I won't
see my 24th birthday, I would like to say
thank you to those people that have helped me
tremendously and from those people that came
to visit when I needed help most, I say thank
you from the bottom of my heart with all my
love and being. The understanding that you
people have shown me on this path through the
suffering that I went through has seemed to
make it easier to bear the fact that I have
very little of my own genetic material left,
the fact I will never have children even
though I have less than a year to live seems
irrelevant, the being that I am now could
never have been if it hadn't have been for the
suffering I went through. I would not change
it for one second. The love and understanding
that I achieved after the horrors I went
through and the dreams
that I had if they were dreams, seems to be
bearable. But I would not want anyone to go
through the nightmares or the dreams. I won't
tell you what the dreams are because they are
too painful even now. The fact that I have had
two years of wonderful love and help from such
wonderful people as Karra, Tia, Russ, Mark and
of course dearest Kiri. It is still something
that I feel people should learn from that
what happened, even though it was negative, is
now something that is bearable because where I
am now on a wonderful planet with wonderful
people makes life easier.
I have selected
my return box or as I used to call it when I
was younger, a coffin. I have selected the
material of finest silk and satin. I know that
nobody on home, as much as I would love to see
them before I go, will ever see me again but
I will be buried where I can overlook and
watch and see when I wait for rebirth, see
them as they are, not as they are in my
memory. The time that I spent in the cold,
cruel, harsh, deep freeze dreamworld, is
something that goes without words. It's hard
to explain. I will try to explain in the next
few lines. The best way to describe it was it
was like "......pardon me Russ...... " it was
like being in a deep sleep filled with
horrible images. It is hard to put it to pen
and paper and to realize that it made me who I
am now from the shy girl on the base that
bowed her head and shuffled along to somebody
that is suffering from accelerated aging. They
have robbed me part of my
growing but I hold no malice due to the fact
that without that suffering I would not be
Sarah, I would not be the same lady as I am
now. I would still be somebody that was
smoking pot, getting high every night and
kicking back and sleeping around.
Now, I am
somebody that understands the purpose of life,
the purpose of where to go and as a return
payment if it would be possible to give the
information of the importance of having a
purpose, even though it may be short, that is
something that would be my gift, to give
somebody that chance to have a purpose. Not to
go the path that I was heading of, to say it,
a whore. I was sleeping around, I was doing
drugs. That's not a life. Life is to be lived,
to be enjoyed, to smell the flowers. The
flowers that I smell now remind me of home.
The birds that I see overhead remind me of
home. The beautiful, warm sun that beats on my
skin as I sit here under this tree writing
this letter is so much joy that it is hard to
explain. The simple pleasures as my friend
here tells me, the simple country girl, it is
wonderful to enjoy things as they are,
not to live in a
pseudo-world of happiness created by inhaling
pot, or marijuana, or snorting coke, or
smoking crack, that's not a life. A life is to
be enjoyed, to lead it at full strength."
The rest of
it's pretty personal so I'm going to skip over
that and just get to the end
"Now as I run
out of paper and pen and the ink well is
drying up, it is time for me again to wish
love and happiness to everybody. Once again,
thank you to Karra, thank you to Tia, thank
you to Russ, thank you to Mark and to my
dearest, dearest Kiri, I give you all my love
and maybe one day we will be together again.
Bye, love, Sarah."
I skipped over a page and a half.
Karen: that's a
she's grown, I talk to her about once a week.
Russ: I never
met her though.
Kiri: you met
her a couple of times.
Russ: did I?
Remember her shuffling along crying?
Kiri: well she
seems to remember you well and fondly.
apparently, I just don't remember her. I
remember being very concerned for her.
to do something.
saying, you remember the young lady that was
lying on the table that she was examining on
one time and you held her hand?
Kiri: that was
Russ: oh, no
Anyway, Tia says it's time for me to hop out.
I need to go dry my eyes a little bit.
yes. I don't think she realized how precious
Karen: yeah I
(Tia returns to the chat.)
Tia: I didn't
know that they did.
know they did what?
Tia: Kiri and
the personal part.
that's the personal part. Uh-huh, okay. Uh-huh,
I put Omal on?
wait? Okay, I've got something to say to you
before I go. Do you know why the Easter Bunny
hides his eggs?
Karen: no, if
you can actually answer that I can tell a lot
of people that.
Tia: because he
doesn't want anybody to know that he's
sleeping with a chicken.
Karen: oh God.
Okay thank you. You'll make
lots of people on the internet very happy.
Karen: it was
like a question for three days straight now.
(Omal comes on next.)
and felicitations. Greetings Russ, greetings
let's get down to answering your questions
concerning this matter that you wish
First of all I would like to say that I think
the letter from Sarah is self-explanatory and
dovetails nicely with this upcoming subject
and topic of discussion.
Russ: oh I
agree definitely. It's all going under the
It seems that she holds no malice towards
Russ: no, she
sees it from a higher perspective of being
part of the path that she's chosen.
Omal: uh-huh, I
see it that she has had a good influence.
Russ: uh-huh. I
mean there's people down here on earth who go
through similar things, auto accidents that
paralyze them permanently, shorten their
whatever or make them a living hell.
Karen: and the
other ones they go through more or less the
same thing, you can't figure out where it's
coming from and people are calling them nuts.
Russ: and they
don't get half as much insight and growth as
Omal: no she
had as she put it, a wonderful opportunity to
learn and learn she has.
Omal: from what
I've heard, she is developing into a sixth
dimensional young lady. There
is nothing that we can do for her. We can't
rejuvenate her as much as we would like to. We
can't tamper with her genetic material because
as she said, there is so little of her left in
the genetic essence. It has given hours or
rather should I say months of aggravation to Kornas
who has tried to puzzle over this but
let us address your questions.
Russ: alright I
assume you got a report on last night's Zeta Reticuli
Omal: yes we
Russ: okay so
we're going to deal with that at the present.
Now, I'm going to start from........it's one
through 20 pages but I've got some parts
highlighted here I just want to go over with
you real quickly.
Omal: okay let
us proceed. It would be difficult to answer
all the questions if you were ask from that
that you have in your mind so we will take the
ones that you select that you feel are
Okay, "the Zeta's have been
continuing with projects by our own allowance.
They've made some
discoveries, they're learning, they are
growing and part of their consciousness wants
to just share the discoveries with the people
being channeled to. And the question I've got
is, supposedly this allowance that we give
them is all subconscious to let them in to
tamper with our bodies and work their
experiments so they can learn." What of this?
Omal: it is
trickery and the way it is done is very
cleverly. Let me put it this way to you. Russ,
would you like to help
us develop a higher evolutionary mind on your
Omal: would you
let us do it our way so that you can benefit
in such a way that your race will grow at a
rapid accelerated rate and have all the
lessons that are necessary to learn in that
Russ: no, I'd
rather learn on our own pace actually but with
insight from yourself is what I would but
knowing where this question is leading, yeah I
would say yes.
knowing......if I didn't know where it was
Omal: would you
let us use the material from you that would be
able to create a group of individuals that
would be able to watch over and protect you?
that's a tough one, because you already have.
(The visits Mark and I had made to Kornas for
Omal: yes but
that has been with full knowledge.
absolutely, right. So, without full knowledge,
I'd have to have my reservations
would you let us use your genetic material,
whatever is necessary, for us to create a race
of guardians to protect you from hostile
Karen: I don't
know, well knowing who you guys are yeah, but
if I didn't know, no. I don't think I'd want
any parts of my body missing, I've already got
parts of my body missing.
Omal: oh, we
would not take anything that would be needed,
we would only use material that you have to
reproducing a mess of Karen's, it's like no I
don't think......I don't know.
Omal: no, Russ
spoiled that actually.
Karen: I don't
know if I.........well he's got a couple kids
Karen: and I've
got mine down here and I know of three and no,
I don't think I'd want a whole mess of them I
didn't know about floating around no.
Omal: no but
Russ spoiled the question. Russ, there was a
punishment for that.
Karen: should I
Omal: after the
channeling session, 20 press ups please.
shoulder's really killing me Omal.
Omal: it is the
lesson and thank you for spoiling my avenue
that I was exploring but you see where I was
Omal: that the
way that those were worded, you voluntarily,
consciously gave your consent up until the
Omal: if Russ
hadn't of said borrowing ovum's or using
ovum's, would you have consented?
Karen: no, no because
I mean if you guys are going to create
guardians to watch over me, you should have
the guardians there already.
true but you see what is
happening, the answer most people would give
is yes to protect your race. And I did not
tell you everything, I led you in
an avenue that is easy for you to fall into that
saying yes, yes, yes, I did not tell you what
we intended to do with those materials. I did
not tell you how we wish to proceed,
I just asked you would it be possible, very
nicely as well I might add but
I asked the questions in such a way that I was
using half-lies, half-truths.
Karen: lying by
So you see where their questions head and how
they manipulate. I was not being particularly
clever in the way that I was wording them. I
could word it totally different and sucker you
right in, it is
easy to do.
Karen: I think
any any being could do that, I mean you can
actually come through and just say that "hey
we're a dying planet because the women don't
have any ovum, do you have any to spare?"
Karen: and any
person with kids would say "sure, no problem."
exactly. So there are different ways of doing
it and this is what they've done. Next
"there's apparently various groups of Zeta's
spread out between three different categories.
Straight Zeta's which is they consciously
exist within the outer perimeters of fourth
density reality therefore they
are just barely physical, mostly plasmic in
nature. Then there is the altered Zeta's which
would be a straight Zeta altered physically or
in their consciousness to allow them to
interact with you on a physical plane or a
type of quasi-physical reality one moment, one
moment. Category three would be a hybrid, spans
many different offshoots. The idea you call
negatively oriented groups are not necessarily
placed within these categories we've outlined
though they can be for the purpose of
illustration." Now the question is, with the
first two groups, they can work with the
person in their dream state. Does this also
you can take somebody
physically in their dream state. For example,
Mark, Kiri could quite easily talk to somebody
and have them stand up and follow them by
using coercion when they're asleep, that is
very easy to do.
Omal: you wake
them up to a state where they're still asleep
but their mind is now conscious and easy to
manipulate. Kiri is saying that is one of the
things that is totally forbidden to do.
Russ: okay. Now
with that same sentence, it makes the subject
that there are good Zeta's and of course
Russ: the good
Zeta's are for example the 30 individuals
sitting in a ship within the atmosphere of the
planet of the people that are being channeled
Russ: is there
Omal: yes there
are just as there are good
humans and bad humans.
suffer from the problem of they cannot
differentiate between what is positive and
negative in how they deal with people. They
assume like most intelligent races that a
lower intelligence will see it from their
point of view. Whether their point of view is
flawed or not is besides the point,
their intentions are as
they see them good. The fact they do not give
you full information and access
to that information seems to
be irrelevant for your own good from their
point of view.
Russ: hmm, okay. All right, are you on
a time schedule that's real tight tonight?
Omal: I am a little.
Russ: all right, I'll try to rush
through the worst of this then. Okay.......
Omal: oops.... too slow.
Russ: one of the questions asked was
if humanoids were to take up travel in outer space,
what changes would happen to their bodies and the
answer was, "the fact that there would be a change
in our connection to the time continuum which would
allow our DNA structure to unlock from the template
of the planet Earth time continuum to allow more
freedom within the consciousness to allow for other
types of travel and expansion once you leave your
solar system." Now I don't remember that ever having
to happen but...
Omal: no, no. It doesn't quite work
like that. They are correct and they are lying, well
not lying, they are tinting the truth. What happens
when individuals leave a planet is the faster that
they approach the speed of light, time slows down
externally for them relative to how fast they are
traveling. Let us say they are traveling at
half-light speed which would make it about eight
years to get to your neighboring star. Okay, light
travels at from there four years approximately to
your planet. Traveling at half-light speed means
that it would take you relatively inside the ship
only eight years to get there however outside a
serious amount of time would have elapsed. Maybe
50 to a 100 years because you have approached
the half the speed of light which means that time
would speed up externally whereas internally it
would slow down but you would not notice the change
that it has slowed down. Let us say you travel
faster than the speed of light. Now, time externally
would really accelerate. The fact that you would
arrive on the planet let us say at twice the speed
of light means that only two years have elapsed for
you but in actual fact, four years has elapsed
externally on your home planet. I know there is a
difference in the figures here. This is because you
would be seeing things four years in the past if you
were to look back. You take the four years and
multiply it by the speed so that would be 12 years.
12 years into your future on a planet orbiting Alpha
Centauri, means that you would be looking back 12
years to return back to your point of origin. You
would be the 12 years into the future plus the
return time which would make it 24 but traveling at
half the speed of light, that would be doubled.
Omal: the faster you travel, the less
time would have been elapsed.
Russ: thank you. Alright, another
question that I've heard before and this concerns
everything that we're talking about so far, what is
the purpose and mission of the Zeta contact? "And
the idea they would like to stress most is they are
teaching us about fear. That they are in a sense
representing to us the idea of unity or as we
represent to them, the idea of individuality and
neither of us are victims of the other, we are all
co-creator's in what is going on." Now in that
sense, it makes it sound as though our individuality
is a negative.
Omal: it is not.
Russ: as opposed to their Borg-like
Omal: it is not. Both are not. Does
not a football team function as one?
Omal: but yet the individuals on that
team make it function as one. Individual players,
let us select somebody like Boswell
become heroes but without him, the team would not
function as well but without him, the team would
continue and does continue functioning. Let us take
another individual, let us take Joe
Montana. When he was with the 49ers, the team
functioned wonderfully. He left the team and went to
the Kansas City team. What happened the 49ers?
Karen: they dropped but they survived.
Russ: yeah, they did great last
season, better than Kansas City.
Omal: correct. So, the individual does
not make a team, he is a team player. Without him
the team will carry on functioning, not as well
until it recovers, but it will continue functioning.
So to say that acting in a group-like consciousness
is good is wrong but it is also right. It depends on
how the group interacts. Whether or not it becomes a
unit as one or reacts as a group of individuals
acting as one, individual choice could be good and
bad. An individual that makes a bad call but if it
is carried out well, may in actual fact turn out to
be positive so both behaviors are very necessary.
The development of pure one consciousness is a
negative in that you have no free will to do as you
wish and your interaction is no longer valid in how
the group reacts. You react as the group wishes you
to to a certain situation. Certainly it has more
different options to explore but it has to be
achieved quickly so therefore one individual will
oversee another individual in the consciousness but
individuality on its own can be very dangerous if it
is not used correctly in a group environment. A
group of individuals that work individually may end
up hurting each other. It is teamwork with
individual ways of behavior that seem to work best.
Russ: okay. Now this deals with the
abductions and the fact that the Zeta Reticuli have
bred out of themselves that which we call emotion
and the purpose of the abductions is that they can
insert probes and then retract them at later times
which have stored up a neurochemical secretions that
they figure they can put into themselves to re-bring
in emotions into their race again.
Russ: now this is an act that we
attribute to the negative Zeta's as well as
apparently the positives who perfectly say, "let's
go along with this."
Omal: okay, extracting information can
be useful but I refer you to the answer I gave right
at the start. That is the best way to explain it.
Russ: okay. Karen, do you have any
questions before I go on? I've taken up all of them.
Karen: I don't think you've gotten to
the one that I wanted to ask.
Russ: oh........I have one on sexual
Karen: that's not the one I wanted to
Russ: okay, now one of the things that
came up here we had a lot of problems with was "for
as for the amount of interaction we will have with
you sexually, that will be up to agreements between
you as an individual and us as a group." So again we come to as in your first
explanation that they agree to the sexual
interactions but I cannot see the purpose of them
because later on we see that they are using them to
breed a hybrid race that don't actually reach
maturity, they die off prior to that and they cannot
figure out why.
Omal: it is obvious and very easy to
understand why these offspring, which is a bad term,
they might as well say lab animals, die off. It is
because they use them in such a way that their life
expectancy is basically drained from them. The
experiments that they run on them drain out their
existence. If you insert needles and extract
hormones and chemicals and blood and tissue and
secretions, you're draining the lifeform. A certain
amount can be withstood but continuous tapping in
and draining, drains the life flow and the life
energy. It is hard to understand that these Zeta's
do not understand that by doing this, they
themselves are causing the problem that they can't
Russ: hmm, okay. One part that brought
up about this was the fact that because there was no
love that was interacted between the Zeta's and the
children and that the only love that came was from
adults that they had abducted and brought to the
ship to give the children love.
Omal: uh-huh, that is quite correct
but by abducting the individuals even though they
may put on a front of being happy and cheerful, they
are not. The children sense this and therefore do
not actually take the pseudo-love that is being
given. Even though as was said last night, some love
is better than no love. The children, because of
their environment, do not trust these individuals.
It is necessary for the children to bond with
individuals. For example, Karen's children, they
have grown well and are happy because they have
bonded with individuals on an individual one-on-one
basis. If for example let us take Anna-Marie,
Karen, Karen's mother, the person that was the
father were all linked together as a group
consciousness, then Anna-Marie would have been very
confused in the fact of was she talking to her
grandmother, her mother or her father? So therefore
a distrust would develop.
Even though it may be Karen she is facing or Karen's
mother or her father, she would not be sure if she
was dealing with her father, or Karen or her
Russ: hmm, well on the same note, one
of the people are asking questions asked the
question that she remembered seeing a six-year-old
child on the ship and she was with two people. She
had scars on her face and she bent down to
acknowledge her, it was very important for her to
love that child. They said that she had been sick
and I said "I didn't care and wanted to kiss her".
And she kissed all the scars on her face and I felt
a love for her and then she asked if that was her
child. And the answer was that "your emotion will
answer the question for you, trust those emotions."
And then she says that "if you can send her love I
would be grateful" and they say "you will have an
option to see her again."
Omal: again, I refer you to the
question that was just stated or the answer I just
said. To that I would like to add the fact that they
were using the child in a carefully orchestrated
situation as a bait to get this person back up so
that she could be used and manipulated again.
Whether the child is hers or not is irrelevant, the
fact that it could be her child makes it even more
tricky and devious the way that they're behaving.
They're using the carrot method to get a response
and to get material. The natural instinct of mothers
and fathers to protect things that they perceive as
their offspring is a very strong and powerful tool
that will make them do very strange things even to
the point of laying down their own lives for their
offspring. It is not just a human emotion. If you
were to threaten the feline's kittens upstairs, she
would fight to the death to protect them.
Russ: hmm, scary. Well one of my last
questions then is they claim to be living upon the
fourth and fifth dimensions, nothing about the
Omal: it is impossible to live in
time. It is very hard to live in the fifth
dimension. It can be done if you use energy fields
to manipulate and maintain a safe environment, a
stable environment but without those aides it is
impossible. We live in the fifth dimension in a
sixth dimensional workspace, in essence we live in
the fifth dimension. We use gravitational energy to
create a stable environment that does not give us
the serious headaches that you would expect in a
less technologically evolved civilization. As has
been stated in the past, you could put many cases
into a matchbox, many cases of wine......
Omal: but they may all explode out as
the fifth dimensional properties change within the
Russ: okay. Well that's all the
questions on that matter, if there's anything else
you would like to add though, I'd be happy to add it
on to the webpage.
Omal: yes, let us answer Karen's
Russ: all right.
Karen: how do you know it wasn't
asked? It wasn't okay fine, I just thought I'd ask.
Omal: it was self-evident that it was
Karen: well they said if they can only
take you if you volunteer yourself.
Karen: now that means to say that
these abductions are voluntary or are they not
Omal: I refer you to the answer I gave
at the start.
Karen: well, it's trickery.
Karen: but they're still saying that
every time they probe you and stuff like that they
have been.......they ask your permission first
regardless of the questions they give you.
Karen: but still, is it voluntary? Are
they really taking these people voluntary or are
these people just being taken period?
Omal: these people have been tricked
into giving voluntary consent. It is for
example......Kiri puts it so much better than I
would have. "Come, let us have pleasure, I will
please you." Is what she's saying. "Let me make you
feel happy and complete but let me give you the
gifts that you so wish desire to have upon you. So
much pleasure, will you come and join me in that
Karen: Kiri sounds like that?
Omal: she says she'll handcuff you.
(Laughter all around.)
Omal: she'll handcuff your feet to the
bed and make sure they're wide-open but she did not
say that, she said that after the way that she
Omal: that she would give you pleasure
and joy but she did not say that she was going to
strap you to the bed and handcuff you and do with
you as she so desires.
(More laughter all around.)
Omal: the fact that she would not do
that to you is besides the point, the fact she is
using it as a demonstration tool is the lesson.
Omal: okay thank you.
Karen: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and I'll be
(Tia comes back to take her turn
Karen: Tia, nice pose. Need a little
tutu on though or something black and sexy.
Tia: I'm wearing something white and
Karen: well actually you're wearing
red and blue but that's okay.
Tia: no I'm not, I'm wearing a toga.
Karen: well not down here you ain't.
Tia: oh, Mark's body.
Karen: yes, he'd look really funny in
a toga right about now.
Tia: he does wear a toga actually.
Karen: well that's up there.
Tia: uh-huh, not very often,
Karen: I've seen the legs, he does
have nice legs though.
Tia: oh he does?
Russ: better legs than a table.
Karen: okay, what's in the fourth and
Tia: the fourth is time, pure time.
Karen: the fourth is time?
Tia: uh-huh. Think of all the
possibilities that could happen from one event, that
is time and all of them happening at
the same time. Fifth is space but not space as in go
out there above your planet's atmosphere. It
is......how would be the best way to explain it?
Omal used the analogy of having a matchbox and
putting cases of wine in there. Another way to
explain it would be, let us say you wanted to get to
the pizza box that you put up in the kitchen right?
Karen: actually no it's laying at your
Tia: oh it is? Okay, that's better
yet. Now let us assume you wanted a piece of pizza
Tia: you get up and you take one step.
Tia: and it's just as far away as it
was when you started. You take five steps and it's
still just as far away as it started. You take a 100
steps and it is still just as far away as when you
started. You turn around, you walk towards the door
and let us say you assume that you can get to the
door, you do. You open the door, you go out, you
walk all way around, come back in and you step in
the box as you come down the steps. Oops. But that's
the way the fifth dimension works. Or, I should say
it's what, about five steps away?
Karen: it's maybe about two.
Russ: two steps.
Tia: okay let us say that you're
sitting there and you decide you want your piece of
pizza, you get up and take
one step and you're right there right?
Tia: the properties of
the fifth dimension are never constant.
It's.....things do not appear as they are. For
example, let us say that Russ wanted to get to that
box right? And let us say we go
through all the grief and aggravation of explaining
taking steps directly towards it. Russ turns around,
walks up across the ceiling, across the wall, down
the other side and picks up the box.
Russ: what controls the fifth
dimension or is it an uncontrolled dimension?
Tia: it's uncontrolled.
Karen: so it's unconditional space?
Tia: correct. For example, let us say
you wanted to go to Mars from your planet. Normally
it would take about six months to a year to travel
with your current technology right?
Tia: but in the fifth dimension you
could never reach it or, you can hop in a Boeing
747, take off and land on it. All very confusing
isn't it? So it's never constant.
Tia: there's a part of the base right
down at the very bottom, right against the energy
generators that we use as a training tool for people
that need to learn the lessons of the fifth
dimension. We take them down there, we set up a
table and we set up food on that table, we set a
chair up about ten paces away, we
switch off the field within that contained area and
ask them to have dinner.
Karen: and they can't get to the
Tia: or they get the table
straightaway and the instructions are quite clear.
Every time you grab a piece of food, you must only
take one item, you return back to your seat. And we
Russ: getting back to the seat might
be just as much trouble as getting to the table.
Tia: there you go, you
Karen: in other words, you don't eat
until tomorrow so class
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Tia gets the second half
now the time is all
time everywhere? Or is it..... I mean is.....I mean
how confusing is is that?
Tia: all time relevant to you. For
example, Mark uses the analogy of you're driving
down the road right? Your car makes left turn, a
right turn, keeps going, backs up, rolls over, has a
flat tire, runs into somebody, stops dead, has a
flat tire in the front tire, has a flat tire in the
back tire and so on, you see all the possibilities?
Tia: the engine explodes, the car
catches fire, all these things happen at the same
time and if you were to look into
the fourth dimension, you would see them happening
all at the same time. You'd see all the
Karen: I see..... oh, I see what
Russ: what I don't understand is how
all these channelers can channel beings who's saying
that they all exist on the fourth dimension and
we're preparing us to make that transition up to the
Karen: why would you want everything
happening to you the same time?
Russ: and I don't see how we could
live there anyway even if we could and since we
can't, why are these channelers getting it all
wrong? Is this consciousness intruding on the
Tia: correct. Certain amounts yes.
Those that you find that explain it, that you cannot
live in the fourth or the fifth are true trance
channelers. The majority are conscious channelers.
Russ: who can't believe that any
information coming through saying that they're going
to live on the sixth could be right.
Russ: they reject it and insert their
Karen: well I asked
yesterday about...........because I
had mentioned about the sixth dimension.
Karen: and somebody came back and
asked me and says, "well what about....you skipped
right over the fourth and fifth."
Karen: and I said, "well" I said, I'll
find out about the fourth and the fifth and I'll get
back to you tomorrow night."
Tia: now you have the information.
Karen: now I've got the information.
Karen: so maybe they'll understand.
Tia: uh-huh. Another analogy that is
useful is to tell somebody to get a box that is an
inch high right?
Tia: and a box that is a foot high.
Hold them side-by-side and tell them which is the
bigger and they will tell you the one that is a foot
Tia: and you tell him to take the box
that is a foot high, take it all the way across from
one corner to another, stand it in the far corner.
You stand in one corner, the box is in the
furthest corner. You
hold out box that is an inch high. Now which looks
Karen: the little guy.
Tia: correct, perception
Karen: this is like the leaning in....
Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.
Tia: at where?
Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.
Russ: they had something similar set
Karen: it's like it's........kind of
like crooked so you're walking sideways.
Russ: I never did figure out how they
did that either where they have a pool table...
Karen: but you're walking sideways and
you're actually standing up straight but it looks
like you're walking sideways.
Karen: I mean you could be
looking at your....at Mark and he'd be coming to you
needing a V-8.
Karen: I mean he's just leaning to one
side and you're like "wow" or the pool table that
gets the ball and put the ball in the table and it
goes not the way the table's leaning but in the
Tia: uh-huh, it's all perception.
Russ: I never got how they did that,
Tia: no, it's
very, very simple. Okay you have the room leaning
actually one way right? And you set the table up so
it's leaning in the opposite way with more lean
right? But, with the tilt, it looks as if it's flat.
Karen: no, the table actually was
Tia: uh-huh, the table does lean.
Okay, next question. Oh well, better put on the next
Karen: I need some tea, I'll get some.
Tia: oh that would be nice.
Karen: I'll get....oh
Tia: now seeing that I managed to get
his eye open. I mean, that's perception for you
Karen: that was perception.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay.....(Speaks on the
base to Kiri.) Kiri, could you put that down please?
Stop sucking on it, it's mine.
Russ: girls, girls.
(Karra is the next person to
Karra: hello, hi dear.
Russ: hi love.
Karra: I see
Karen has got up and left.
Russ: yeah she's getting some tea.
Karra: oh that's very kind of her and
Tia runs out on her. How are you doing?
Russ: oh I'm doing good but
that letter from Sarah kind of got me.
Karra: yes, it got me too. I think the
only person that did not have tears in their eyes
was Omal. I sometimes wonder about his emotional
level, I think he controls them very well.
Russ: uh-huh, though he does have
Karra: oh yes. But Tia, her eyes were
wet and Kiri was actually crying when she was
Karra: hear her take gulps every so
often and pause? It wasn't for dramatic effect.
Russ: more often than not, we run into
entities called Sarah where of course from our Sirian
Chronicles, we find that Sarra
is a person of great importance.
Karra: that's Sarra.
Russ: I know but I mean where did the
word Sarah come from? It has to have roots in Sarra.
Karra: uh-huh, it does.
Russ: and so our Sarah returning to
Sirius has got kind of an ironic twist to it you
Karra: yes it does in a
way. The fact that she...the fact that she is taking
dying very well. From what grandmother told me the
other day is that she is taking a lot of pride and
pleasure in picking out the perfect return vessel.
And she's even polished it herself and she's laid
down to make sure it's nice and comfortable for her
got it all nicely lined and everything and she's got
little pockets in there where she can put things to
take with her even though she will never see them
again in her physical, corporal form, she wants them
with her. Her little teddy bear that one of the cubs
gave her, a holo disk that Kiri gave her, things
like that. The things that don't seem that much but
they seem a lot to her. A pen she was
given from one of the pilots when she was going with
Kiri to Sirius.
Russ: when is she going to be....when
she gets interned, is there going to be
a notice that some folks that might be able to
astral travel to that spot?
Karra: I don't think it would be
appropriate for anybody to know where she is buried.
Karra: we will hold a midnight
ceremony over her. The pilot and the people that
take her there will hold a ceremony.
Russ: okay, well she'll be remembered.
Karra: yeah and one other thing that
she wants is she wants a wild rose bush to be
planted over her.
Karen: oh I'm with her, I agree.
Karra: yes she's very understanding of
death. Thank you.
Russ: probably become more so as
Karra: days get closer.
Russ: so, the question I've got
darling is with all that she went through here on
third dimension, with all that she went through the
Zeta's, with all that she went through on Hades Base
and now all that she's going through with Sirius,
would you say that this is maybe a
shortcut to sixth dimension for her?
Karra: no. There's only two
possibilities. She was either ready to come to the
sixth dimension and needed to go through that
suffering to cleanse her soul or she wasn't ready.
Karra: the fact that she's been given
a glimpse means that she has the possibility if she
comes to terms with it in the appropriate way of
going to sixth. The letter implied that she wants to
be Kiri's daughter.
Russ: hmmm. Well they'll be some time
between rebirth so...
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: it's still a ways away.
Russ: sounds like a very special lady
Karra: she is a very special lady and
the times that I've have worked on her to comfort
her, to take away the pain temporarily, I mean it
was nowhere near what Kiri did for her. Kiri doesn't
talk about the images that she got from her,
a private thing for her.
Karra: something that Kiri feels very
strongly about but Tia is saying
let's move onto something bright and cheerful. She's
saying that Sarah would not want you to be upset or
sad at what's coming.
Karen: can we entitle her letter?
Karen: is there a way to entitle her
letter instead of just saying it's a letter from
Sarah? It was taken from certain people or?
Karra: actually Russ will come up with
a title, if not, I'll help him but at the moment I
can't think of a appropriate name apart from a
letter of understanding.....a letter of forgiving
or forgiveness. That would be a good name for it but
it doesn't sound quite right you know?
Russ: we'll work on it.
Karra: yeah, yes we will.
Russ: okay, so on the webpage we've
got new stuff for me for the "how to" section.
Karra: yes okay how to heal.
Russ: how to heal.
Karra: I don't think we have enough
time on this tape but let us lay out a basic
framework to start off with on how a healer should
be. A healer must be able to put their personal
emotions to one side. They must be positive, not
"I'm going to try, I will do this." They must open
and receptive to the person's input, not this is the
way it's done. It's "okay how do you want us to do
this? What is the best way?" A healer must be
confident, know that they can do it. A healer must
also know their limitations. For example, I do not
see any third dimensional healers being able to
reach down, push down the bone and set the leg
without causing pain. A healer must know something
of standard medicine, basics,
basic first aid, basic hygiene. Hygiene is very
important. You can set the leg but if your hands are
not clean, you can infect the wound and cause more
problems and possibly even kill the person. A healer
must know when to refer the patient to somebody that
has better equipment and knowledge. A healer must be
able to admit defeat. A healer must be able to
comfort the mind as well. If you remember with
Carrie, most of the healing was done vocally. A
healer must know how to make the person do the work.
There's only so much that a healer can do. Lastly, a
healer must not get emotionally involved but that's
the hardest rule to obey. Russ, have you ever seen
me get emotionally involved?
Karra: and how did I respond?
Russ: crying your eyes out.
Karra: uh-huh, yes I did, didn't I?
Karra: uh-huh but what was the end
Russ: a healing.
Russ: it went beyond it I'm sure.
Karra: oh yes, I pushed myself to the
limit and that was done with love. Yeah.....
Russ: of course.
Karra: and I knew that I could win.
And what is the end result of my winning? She's got
the one thing she really desired.
(Carrie had her daughter.)
Russ: yes she does.
Russ: that's all because of you my
Karra: thank you. No it's not all
because of me.
Russ: well a lot of it is.
Russ: a lot of it is her.
Karra: a lot of it is her.
Russ: you gave her the reason to do
Russ: and the belief that she could do
Karra: that's right, that's right,
Russ: but without you she wouldn't of
had that, she wouldn't of even started trying.
Karra: uh-huh. But we set up the
framework for her to achieve the goal and she's got
the gift that she wanted and I think
she'll have one more.
and when she's born, we'll
send her a special present.
Russ: do you have
any questions for Karra?
Karen: Russ told me that you were
going to try and help with my
Karra: oh yes, yes. That still
Karen: not as much, no.
Karra: hmmm, okay what we want you to
do is of course cranberry juice.
Karra: okay, we want you to lay off of
anything that has a yeast in it, just for a week.
So, no bread.
Russ: no beer.
Karen: no pizza.
Karra: no beer.
Russ: no pizza.
Karen: no pizza.
Karen: I had them order pizza tonight.
Karen: okay no pizza, no bread. Well
that's my basic diet there.
Karra: uh-huh, no fruit.
Karen: no fruit? Except for cranberry
Karra: except for cranberry juice.
Karen: all right but anyway I'm
Karra: okay, can you think of anything
else that has yeast in it?
Russ: wine has yeast.
Karra: wine? No wine.
Karen: wine has yeast?
Karra: uh-huh, how you think it gets
brewed? Don't sit it in the shelf.
Karen: so that's right, it sits in
Karra: and besides, wine is a fruit.
Karen: wine is a grape.
Russ: you might as well say all
Karra: exactly, all alcohol is out.
Karen: milk too?
Russ: no, no milk's healthy.
Karra: no yeast in milk.
Russ: that's got yeast.
Karra: uh-huh, just for a week okay?
Karra: now also, we want you to repeat
10 times each night before you go to rest,
"I will heal, I will get better."
Karen: okay, I can do that.
Karra: uh-huh, 10 times each night
just before you go to bed.
Karra: unless of course you are doing
other things than you say it 10 times before.
Russ: or after.
Karra: or after, if you have the
Karen: thank you.
Karen: okay now apart from the yeast
or okay because the yeast infection is basically
Karra: uh-huh, there is still a trace
Karen: right there is a trace but it's
Karra: okay now the other one, hmm.
Okay we're going to use the same methods that we
used on Carrie okay? We want you to generate in
front of you a clear white ball right? About yea big
right? We want you to visualize this white ball
Karra: now we want you to visualize a
streak of energy coming out and going bomph, right
in the head and it goes all the way down through the
Karra: and it goes back into
the ball and then it goes back through the ball,
dropping off the negative energy into the third eye
and then all the way down through the crown chakra,
the brow chakra, all the way down,
through the root chakra and back out. Now to start
off with, we want it to go at this speed. And then
as you get that pattern down, we want it to go
faster and faster and faster until it becomes a
complete blur. The whole entire cycle becomes a
blur. Okay, after a couple of minutes we want you to
stop with all the energy that that string has picked
up, stopping the ball. Then we want you to visualize
the ball being destroyed, obliterated, exploding
away from you. Being pushed away which is you
pushing away all the bad, all the the lumps and the
cysts and the calcium deposits, all being pushed
Karra: okay? Then we want you to pick
up the healing crystal and we want you to hold the
healing crystal. Now the energy in the healing
crystal goes through the same process apart from it
does not get sucked back into the energy.....into
the healing crystal. It gets dumped out into the
ground. In doing this what is happening is anything
that is left behind getting dirty energy is
dumped and dropped out.
Karra: okay what we can do at a later
date when there is more time, is go through a full
healing. Now this has got to be done when you have
the time afterwards to go and rest because you will
be tired. You remember that Carrie had to lie down
for quite a while Russ?
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: uh-huh, cups of tea...oh
another thing, green tea.
Karen: I drank my first green tea
Karra: keep that up. Carrot juice and
carrots, you can drink that. Fresh clear water.
Karra: got to drink some of that, keep
the fluids up. Any more questions?
Karen: nice seeing you again.
Karra: oh that's good. Also
Russ can help by focusing energy.....and this is a
good lesson for you.....something that we wanted to
do but couldn't do it with Carrie because.....
Karra: uh-huh but you can use your
hands, pump energy through with your hands.
Karra: okay? Any more questions?
Russ: no my love.
Karra: and it's good to be useful.
Karen, any more questions?
Karen: no thank you.
Karra: okay, see you guys later.
Russ: bye love.
(Tia takes over again.)
Karen: hi Tia.
Russ: yo, what's
Tia: how much time we got left on
Russ: 12 minutes 35 seconds.
Tia: (blows a raspberry.)
Karen: did it reach?
do that anyway, it's not nice to
spit at people. It's not nice to
abuse their property. Okay, let me put on the last
person with the special guest speaker. But before I
(Tia tries manipulating Mark's body remotely to
drink and tilt his head up but things turn out
Tia: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, forgive me.
Karen: that's okay, we thought Mark's
mouth had a hole in it.
Tia: I can't control it properly, I
was going to gargle with it.
(Kiri is back.)
Kiri: yo, I'm back. My eyes are dry
Russ: hi Kiri.
Karen: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo. Okay, let's get the special
guest speaker out of the way first.
Kiri: let me put the little dynamo in
my lap and get him to behave himself. God that feels
strange, having Mark's body roll over like that when
I'm actually sitting with, with the little guest
speaker in my lap.
Karen: I hope she's not suffocating
Kiri: go ahead talk. Leonedies, use
the system, not telepathically.
(Leonedies comes on
Leonedies: hello and welcome to
tonight. I'm going to talk about the alien mindset.
The alien mindset of less evolutionary developed
individuals seems to me to be a serious threat to
the safety and well-being of third dimensional,
bipedal lifeforms or humanoids. It is throughout
history, seem to me to be one race leaded by another
in a manipulative, condescending, arrogant sort of
way. It seems that these species, not only bipedal,
gray skinned, carbon-based life forms but other life
forms based seem to react in a condescending way to
the intelligence. What funny?
Karen: I'm sorry. Sounds so cute.
Russ: it was the gray skin, bipedal,
carbon-based lifeform I believe was funny.
Karen: I'm sorry.
is necessary for the understanding of all parties
concerned that it is a path that is walked. The
letter from young lady said that she held no malice.
It is necessary to understand that they too have to
live with what they have done. The more evolved they
become, the more pity they should realize in the
fact of what they have done. It is necessary for
them to continue even though it is wrong for their
evolutionary process and yours thank you.
Russ: thank you Leonedies.
Karen: thank you. Sorry again.
(Kiri finishes up
Kiri: I do apologize for my son.
Russ: no don't, that's all right. It
was just kind of funny though to see someone with
the mentality of Ashtar talking in the voice of....
Karen: Mickey Mouse. (Laughs)
Kiri: well he says that he does that
so you can differentiate the fact that he's only in
a little body.
Karen: he is, I mean I could actually
picture him and it was just so cute. Especially when
he looked at me and said, "what was funny?"
Kiri: he doesn't have the same sort of
sense of humor. He was trying to reason out.....I
got him to slow down to an understandable level this
time didn't I?
Russ: uh-huh, yeah you did.
Karen: yeah I was wondering if he
actually took a breath in between all that.
Kiri: I don't think he did. Well first
of all, he transmitted the whole entire dissertation
telepathically which took him about 10 seconds.
Karen: oh jeeze.
then when he realized, well when I informed him that
it was not being received by the machine, we all
heard it. It made Tia sit up and look like somebody
had stuck a spike up her....never mind. But
everybody received it. Unfortunately it was too fast
for the machine and wasn't transmitted at the
machine. He just transmitted it on a wideband and
bap. You know what little boys are like.
Russ: he's getting better though.
Russ: still it's good to hear him, is
he being a rather good boy lately then that he gets
Kiri: yes, painfully
good. Has not dismantled any fluffy toys, any dolls,
Russ: well good, I'm glad this is his
Russ: one of his rewards, I'm sure there's
Kiri: yes, uh-huh. The other one is
we're going to take him down to the rock garden.
Russ: what rock garden?
Kiri: it's the crystal
garden, you know the one that is stashed away where
people go from time to time to be alone?
Russ: I've heard about it, I've
haven't been there yet.
Kiri: no, it's a place that you go to
be alone. People won't go there......for example if
I go down there and there's somebody in there, I won't
go in. What I would do is when it's empty which
would be probably about 3 o'clock our time in the
morning, is I'll wake him up, take him down there
and let them sit in there and be comfortable.
Russ: how do you know if someone's in
Kiri: normally a pair of shoes
Kiri: uh-huh, or a jacket
or the door will be closed.
Russ: I'll get instructions from
Russ: I'll get instructions from Karra
on how to get down there. I'll check it out on the
map on the computer.
Russ: see if I can stop in there
sometime after three.
Kiri: three in the morning?
Russ: yeah when I am up your time,
that's only five in the morning here.
Kiri: yeah but I'm going
to take him down there, not tonight but soon. That's
something else he's got to learn is patience. Okay,
questions for me.
Russ: I can see Leonedies going "oh
look at, silicone-based lifeforms."
Kiri: well he said carbon didn't he?
Russ: yeah but the crystals would be
Kiri: oh correct, they would be.
Russ: oh let's see, since we have five
minutes and 26 seconds left to go.
Kiri: oh before Karen has to depart?
Russ: no, before the tape runs out.
Kiri: oh, we're keeping a chronometer
on it are we?
Russ: well I took a wild guess and
I've got the feeling I might be right.
Karen: how many more minutes?
Russ: five minutes.
Karen: pretty close.
Kiri: okay, let us continue.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: Tia's just pointed out, that's
where he gets his abruptness from.
Kiri: from me.
Russ: oh from you?
Kiri: yes, when I said okay let us
Russ: actually I have something in
here marked Kiri.
Kiri: oh doesn't involve lots of sex?
Russ: no, not the sex part.
Kiri: oh bummer.
Russ: you get enough sex, you don't
need any more from here.
Karen: I don't know, you got these
guys watching in whenever they want.
Kiri: they're watching up here.
Karen: I just hope they get their eyes
Kiri: oh boy, if I came down there,
they would be all over your house and they would get
more than an eye full.
Karen: I'm sure they would Kiri from
what I've heard.
Kiri: I'd just spin their heads.
Russ: here it goes.
Karen: one way or another.
Kiri: hey with coercion I'd just....
Karen: in every sense of the word.
Kiri: I would certainly open their
Karen: that would definitely spin
their head too.
Kiri: uh-huh. Now what would I bring
down with me? I could bring my two-way, bring my
squirty one that vibrates on a.....
Russ: if you don't mind, I'd like to
get back to business please. "The question
is asked, would that mean that if you had some kind
of chronograph or wristwatch, that it would keep
different time for you then someone else. And this
is if you are on a spaceship, what kind of time
system and the answer is, in that sense the
chronograph will not work. The electromagnetic
fields would allow it to not operate in the way that
it was designed." So if you're on a spaceship, my
wristwatch is going to not work anymore correct?
Karen: I think that's a laugh.
Kiri: Kiri goes giggle, giggle,
giggle. Giggle, giggle, giggle. Giggle, giggle......
Karen: and all those other ones in
Kiri: or he he he he he he he he he he
he. That's baloney. If you have a chronometer that
works on electrical impulses, it will continue to
work, here is the reason. Because you are inside the
electromagnetic field, it surrounds you but does not
penetrate you because it is all focused outside,
externally to create the gravimetrical field. You
are inside a gravimetrical field which means it does
not interfere with you. Everything is focused
outside so therefore, the electric magnetical field
does not affect you because the gravimetrical field
pushes it away. You're here on this side right? This
is the wall, gravimetrical energy is focused out
right? And then the gravimetrical field pushes the
electric magnetic field out which gives the lift,
very simple. It is focused away from you so your
chronometer would continue to function. However, as
you approach as Omal pointed out the speed of light,
it would work at a slower rate than externally.
Kiri: because time would be passing
faster externally outside the field that you have
generated, things would seem accelerated. For
example, let us say my two fingers or Mark's two
fingers are walking. That's normal speed. You inside
would see this if you're looking outside.
Russ: so if it took five light years
to get to Sirius.
Russ: okay? Well let's say it takes an
hour. Let's say like Sirius is one hour, a light
hour away okay?
Russ: okay now I get in the ship and I
travel to Sirius one light hour.
Russ: okay? Now, my watch is 9:30 and
Karen has to go.
Russ: but, when I get to Sirius, is it
going to say 10:30 or is it going to be a lot
Kiri: no it will say 10:30.
Russ: bye love.
Karen: bye hon.
Russ: but the actual time is
Karen: bye Kiri.
Kiri: correct externally,
Russ: the time on Sirius then is
Kiri: take care.
Karen: yes you too.
Kiri: I will.
Russ: is actually 11:30.
Kiri: correct. You see it's the
Kiri: okay? Inside time will continue.
If it takes you an hour to travel that distance and
it's only a light hour away right?
Kiri: then it takes you one hour to
travel there. But that hour has more than elapsed.
Karen: I think I have mental telepathy
to start my car. Oh, need my keys. See you later.
Kiri: it doesn't work.
Kiri: you see what I'm saying?
Kiri: okay, now let us say that it is
one light hour away but you cover that distance in
half the time.
Kiri: it takes you 30 light minutes.
Kiri: pardon me.
Russ: no problem.
Kiri: or pardon Mark's body rather. So
what is happening? You are traveling at twice the
speed of light.
Kiri: which means that you have
traveled the distance from your planet to our planet
in half an hour.
Kiri: half an hour of your time but an
hour has actually elapsed from earth time. It's only
taken you a half-hour. It's taken
you a half-hour....let's say the times
are exactly the same, it's
9:30 earth time, 9:30 Sirius time right?
Kiri: your time where
you're going to land okay? Half an hour has elapsed,
it's now 10 o'clock for you right? But because it
takes light an hour to travel from there, it's 10:30
when you arrive there.
Kiri: but, meanwhile back on earth,
two hours have elapsed. Return trip right? How much
time has elapsed?
Russ: well according to Omal then,
four hours would've elapsed.
Russ: now, how far is Hades Base in
Kiri: it's about nine minutes.
Russ: nine minutes. That's close.
Kiri: but this is where it gets
tricky. We can get from Hades Base to earth right?
In about three minutes. That's from getting in the
aircraft to getting to your planet.
Kiri: but that's manipulation of
Russ: oh dimensions......that's why
Mark can get there faster than nine minutes even
though he cannot travel at the speed of light.
Kiri: no he's traveling at a totally
Russ: oh no, he
can't travel at the speed of thought.
Kiri: he's traveling a totally
Russ: right, because he's manipulating
Kiri: correct. Now, if you remember,
going back almost four years right? Well over four
years actually. I took a trip, I was three months
pregnant right? I came back six months pregnant but
was only gone for what, a week of your time?
Russ: manipulation of timeframes.
Kiri: correct and I had
three months great relaxation but I could not go
back in that three month period.
Russ: right, so that's how that works.
Russ: hmm, because you may run into
Kiri: correct. I could've gone back as
long as I avoided all the places that I went to.
Russ: yeah but that would be rather
Kiri: and also the fact that I'd have
to avoid people that I was hanging out with.
Russ: and what happens if you meet
yourself? We're talking paradox.
Russ: but the time continuum does not
Russ: I'm assuming because it has
Kiri: yes. It can be very confusing.
Kiri: there is a story told of a guy
or a man that met himself.
Kiri: and he asked himself what was
going to happen because he assumed that the person
was a future aspect. It actual fact, the person was
a past aspect. Totally confused. The guy sat down,
almost had a nervous breakdown because he couldn't
figure it out. Because you don't know if
it's a future or a past aspect because the
fact that I happen to look exactly the same as I did
four years ago, or 4 1/2 years ago when I lost my
virginity to a man as opposed to women is besides
Russ: yeah but you're a
Kiri: I've changed, but not that much.
Russ: oh I don't know about that.
Kiri: physically, I am the same
Russ: oh physically, true.
Russ: but in talking to you you're a
Kiri: what do you mean about that?
Russ: well for example, the young lady
who idolized you and came to Hades Base to work with
Russ: because of your talents and your
Russ: had so far proceeded you.
Russ: she knew you as somebody who was
this one person on Sirius.
Russ: now she meets you you later on
and had she met you four years ago, before you met
Kiri: I would've seduced her in a
Russ: in a heartbeat and
you would not have been the same person. She would
not have recognized the person now who is speaking
Kiri: the fact that I would love to
make love to her but of her own volition. She has to
make the decision, not me seduce her.
Russ: right, and you're also a mother
Kiri: which means you have
gained a mother's empathy and compassion.
Kiri: which is the thing that stopped
me from seducing her.
Kiri: is that she is in my eyes still
Kiri: even though a very attractive,
Russ: now she might seduce you which
would be a paradox in itself.
Kiri: I was about to say, seducing me?
I've had more women in my life than you've had.
Russ: well yeah of
course. You have a better.....
Kiri: I had more women this year in my
life than you've had.
Russ: (laughs) well I'd brag about it
too. But the whole point of that is that it
still....it still makes you someone who is now
growing and learning and you've put more time or
things together in your four years then you've put
it in your whole probably 45 years of existence more
or less. 57....
Russ: 58. Something like that right
but it has been quite a very busy four years for
Kiri: no more than normal. I mean the
fact that I've had two children.
Russ: Alex is about to turn...
Kiri: about to turn four.
Kiri: the fact that I've had three men
in my life....no, four men in my life.
Russ: thank you.
Kiri: the fact five years ago that I
used to look at men and go, "oh well" is where I
have changed, I have changed in outlook. The fact
that I will look at a young lady and think, "hmmm,
she's a nice lady" and then later think maybe I
should put the moves on her and go, "naahh. I can go
home and get drilled out by Tia or Mark."
Russ: and it's just fun that in this
four years we've all kind of gone through major
Russ: okay. All right, now on to more
Russ: well Tia's still there right?
Russ: so we had some interesting
occurrences happening in our stock market
Russ: and with you both there I'm
wondering what this bodes for how our current
Kiri: Tia says watch and learn and
remember. Tia also says do you know how many points
it's dropped since January the 7th?
Kiri: she said it's dropped over 500
Russ: Jesus. Okay, now I need to put
together the..........some of the various tapes that
we used to put their predictions,
Omal's and Tia's. You don't happen to remember those
dates do you?
Kiri: no I don't.
Russ: well darling, when do we do a
coercion how to?
Kiri: if we had more time, it would
take probably about 20 minutes to do.
Russ: can we plan this for next week
Kiri: possibly yes.
Russ: I'll leave it open for your own
Russ: please tell Leonedies I said
thank you for his wonderful dissertation this
evening and I will be using it on the...
Kiri: I think all those things, those
three things should go together. The letter....
Russ: I agree.
Kiri: Omal's thing and then Leonedies
Russ: I will explain he is only not
quite two years old.
Kiri: he's over two years old.
Russ: over two years old.
Kiri: my, time does fly.
Russ: well it's so subjective.
Russ: but it's funny, he does have the
mentality of Ashtar, he just doesn't have the
Kiri: he doesn't have the bladder
control sometimes either.
Kiri: sitting there growling at me
Kiri: the fact that he knows it's
true. I mean he's out of his diapers, it's just
sometimes he has accidents.
Russ: right. Now he understands about
webpages doesn't he?
Kiri: he could probably tell you how
to do your webpage.
Russ: good, yeah he's going to be
featured as one of our guest speakers.
Russ: this next week I believe.
Kiri: what do you think of Mark's gift
to Alex? He told you has he?
Russ: it's really neat.
Kiri: yes I'm going to get a particle
generator for him.
Russ: a particle generator? What will
Kiri: what basically does is, it takes
particles and generates a field for them to work
within. For example, they're very expensive, I don't
have one. They're very, very expensive, a good one.
I'm not getting the best, I'm getting one that will
just give touch. What it does is.....
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