MARS NOW & THEN- Channeled 11/28/95

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Archivist Notes: As an interesting correlation between ancient history and current times, Mars is focus of this month's session. Shorter than normal due to Mark's energy level, only three speakers were able to be channeled but the information imparted was timely. While the Mars Rover transverses the planet's surface, a more temperate period in it's history is described leading up to the loss of its atmosphere. Astral travel techniques are explored by Tia and Omal has some tips on sensing energy to assist with meta-concerts. Mark's energy went to critical after Omal finished and Karra wasn't able to speak this time.

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ATTENDEES
TIA Mistress of Ceremonies MARK (Channel)
KIRI RUSS
OMAL JOHN


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SIDE ONE

(Tia gets the session started.)

Tia: uh-huh?

Russ: okay, we're live.

Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: how's it going tonight?

Tia: oh I'm a little tired.

Russ: I'm sorry to hear that.

Tia: oh that's all right, I enjoyed myself today.

Russ: ahh, what did you do?

Tia: creche duty.

Russ: oh that's right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: babysitting.

Tia: kind of.

Russ: what did you do with the little tykes?

Tia: oh, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. It's very hard not to show favoritism. Okay, business time.

Russ: yep.

Tia: uh-huh. Well my my, aren't we a little bit short?

Russ: yeah but it's a genetic fault darling, don't blame anybody but your parents. (Teasing her)

Tia: (says something rude in Durondedunn)

Russ: okay yeah, there's only two of us tonight.

Tia: uh-huh. Did you let in Mark's feline?

Russ: no, should I?

Tia  yeah, before she pees her tiny little tush and you can put on a kettle whilst you're at it. So how's it going?

John: oh okay, I'm kind of tired, I don't feel that well myself.

Tia: oh I understand, I understand. Yeah by the way when I go (preowww), that means hello in Durondedunn.

John: oh, that's what you're saying is hello, hello.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: oh okay, now I understand.

Tia: yeah it's for his benefit so that he doesn't get confused that it's Kiri or Karra talking you know.

John: okay and that'll help me too because I still get confused sometimes myself.

Tia: uh-huh.

Tia: yeah Mark and Russ are going to help me work on some notes so it's a little bit easier for me to tell who's who. Don't you think that be a good idea?

Tia: I think it would be an excellent idea. Little flashcards for you.

John: yeah we'll work on that. We'll have something like that for next week.

Tia: okay coolness.

Russ: okay so what's the schedule for this evening? Meta-concert and astral projection I believe.

Tia: uh-huh. But we might do an abbreviated one this evening due to the lack of....

Russ: participants?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: no problem.

Tia: okay I will put on, no I won't, I've been told to fill.

Russ: oh, so we'll do astral projection first?

Tia: seems like it. But first of all, yeah.......

Russ: first of all?

Tia: yes, that's the way we will be doing....hold on. Okay, well what we will do first of all is we will ask Johnny, have you ever astral traveled?

John: no, I haven't.

Tia: uh-huh. Have you ever had the feeling of floating out of your body?

John: in dreaming but not in a waking state that I can recall.

Tia: okay, have you ever thought you have seen yourself from a different vantage point?

John: dreaming yes but not waking that I can recall right off the top of my head.

Tia: so you are not then an actual talented astral traveler?

John: I really don't know. I don't think so, I don't know if I can develop it or I really don't know.

Tia: well we could try a few experiments. We have a astral travel tape which is.....I've done better.

John: so I should listen to the tape, is that you're saying?

Tia: well we will redo the tape at a nearer time. Ummm yep, that's what we will do. We will re-record the tape and I will do it in a much more stable environment then and also have a technician available that knows the hand signals.

Russ: that's me.

Tia: yes, that's why I'm looking at you.

John: oh okay, I understand.

Tia: yeah.

John: so Russ would be the technician in this?

Tia: that's correct.

John: okay, I understand.

Russ: right, we tried it the other night but I had to leave to go pick up Erica because we kind of ran over a little bit and so I wasn't able to do the technician work but we got the music part done that I wasn't able to be here for the actual taping of the...

Tia: yeah.

John: oh okay, is that what you and Mark were working on upstairs?

Russ: right, that's what we are working on, well that's what me and Tia were working on.

John: right, right exactly yeah okay.

Tia: I mean if I was to score it out of one through 10, I would give it a three.

Russ: right, Kiri's was much better and that was done on way worse equipment.

Tia: yes it was, but yeah I had a very good, passable technician at the time.

Russ: I love you too baby.

Tia: yes okay, now then, astral travel. As we are lacking the one particular person that I wanted to discuss it with......

John: would that be Skip?

Tia: no that would be Ryan.

John: oh I see.

Tia: yes I did have a whole load of notes and information for him on astral travel to aid him in his increasing in his ability. But as he seems to have wandered off in his own little planetoid, well not to worry. We can work on that with Ryan at a later time. But in the meantime, Mr. semi-astral traveler here......

Russ: that's me.

John: why do you refer to him as a semi-astral traveler?

Tia: I'm pulling his.........one of his bipedal devices.

Russ: it's due to the fact that I do not consciously separate my astral body from my physical body.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I have more of a, how would you call it?

Tia: conscious experience.

Russ: conscious experience, I project just my sight to Hades Base.

Tia: and sometimes his astral form.

Russ: and sometimes my astral form to make babies but....

Tia: yes when Mark comes up here, he's very real. He can grab things, he can plug things in, he can make tea, he can make all sorts of things.

John: right and now Russ doesn't have that ability?

Russ: no I've had cups fall out of my hands, crash on the floor, break.

Tia: and I've had to clean it up.

Russ: big messes. I have to be careful handling children.

John: you could drop them? Because you're not fully solid?

Russ: fully there, right yeah. I'm more ghostlike, I waver in and out.

John: is there something that you're doing to refine your technique or anything?

Russ: we're working on that. Tia's helping me with that.

Tia: yes we spend a lot of time discussing various techniques and we keep on trying different techniques and going back over old techniques and blending them with different things and Russ is one of those elusive problems. However, astral travel is not for everybody. Russ is a much stronger healer than an astral traveler.

John: right.

Tia: far stronger, as are you. But that's not really my department, I'm an astral traveler with PK.

John: okay but Mark is, he's got a natural ability to astral travel? Do I have this correct?

Tia: that's correct. He has it in vast quantities and also he is border point speed of thought which has surprised a few people, including himself I think.

John: and it's an individual thing where different people have, are able to progress to different levels?

Tia: that's correct. There are some people that will progress, let's say that they can travel vast distances. Not just thousands of miles but millions or billions and hundreds if not thousands of light years. And that's as far as they will progress. And there are some people that can hop between dimensions and that is as far as they will progress. And there are other people do have to go and deal with cups of tea.

Russ: and that's as far as I'll progress.

Tia: uh-huh but there are other people again that can hop through to a different dimension and make themselves as solid as they are on their own dimension and those people unfortunately pay a very heavy price. But alas, Russ might not be one of those that can make that jump because being a healer, he is concerned with his body and his well-being. You see?

John: yes, yeah. This is all new to me so I appreciate your patience.

Tia: uh-huh, now there are certain side effects from astral traveling. Acute hearing, being very sensitive to touch, being almost fanatic on personal cleanliness, all sorts of interesting side effects. Most common is acute hearing, Russ will tell you that his hearing has become sharper.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: I believe Mark's is painfully sharp. Would that be the right way to describe it?

Russ: yeah, he doesn't like rock concerts that much.
(Referring to a Pink Floyd concert Mark and I attended)
 
Tia: no (chuckles) but Kiri loves rock concerts and she's not an astral traveler. I have naturally acute hearing because of my feline ancestry and again I don't like loud noise either.

Russ: now Tia.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: another thing I was noticing was the correlation of the physical body is like a house for a consciousness and that that's where the consciousness lives in but the astral body is sort of like a car that we use to cruise to elsewhere.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now would seeing a visualization like that perhaps sharpen focus or help with the transition between physical to astral body?

Tia: we will try that, we will try you visualizing you as a automobile.

Russ: or something, just getting into something to travel maybe?

Tia: uh-huh, how about a space capsule?

Russ: sort of.

Tia: yeah some kind of pod.

Russ: that might be easier.

Tia: yeah so you could pretend that you're a specimen in this pod.

Russ: well good. All right, well it's just a thought.

Tia: (speaks Durondedunn)

Russ: who you're talking to?

Tia: there's a cat hovering around out there. Can't you hear her?

Russ: uh-uh. Okay, we'll give that a go. Alright now then for Johnny, if he wanted to practice something like astral projection, how would he start?

Tia: okay what we would do is we would talk you through it. We would do a very clear, precise recording of step-by-step that would get you up out of your body, get you nice and relaxed, up out of your body and just let you cruise around and get used to the feeling. And that is the purpose of the first astral travel tape that we did.

Russ: now one thing I'm having trouble with the astral travel tape when we......

Tia: yes, that loud part.

Russ: well no, no, that's not the problem I had.

Tia: and also Pink Floyd?

Russ: no, that wasn't the problem either.

Tia: I thought you had a problem with that?

Russ: no, no, no that's not it, I was just discussing. What I had was where you get to the point after you go through all the breathing exercises and you turn off all the switches, you then say "okay, now gently lift up out of your body" right?

Tia: uh-huh, you want a more descriptive term on how to lift up out of your body?

Russ: well not everybody can just lift up out of their body no matter how relaxed they are such as me for example.

Tia: well by going lighter and lighter and lighter, makes you feel lighter and lighter and lighter until you're slowly and gently moving out of your body. Even that you're not aware of it.

Russ: right but that only works if you have a natural ability to do so anyway like Mark does.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now for some of us like myself who don't have that natural ability and have to work to get to that point.

Tia: well that's why we suggest listening to the tape many, many times.

Russ: well that's what I was suggesting, maybe if you were to say something like visualize yourself lifting up out of your body?

Tia: I suppose I could do that but the way that it's done is for maximum effect. You see most people know that feeling of floating free of their body. Even Johnny knows that feeling from his dreams, correct?

John: yes.

Tia: so you are, you know what it feels like. And when you reach that point that your body feels like it's floating free, in actual fact it is floating free.

Russ: oh I see what you are talking about.

Tia:uh-huh.

Russ: okay that makes sense.

Tia: so by floating to that point on the tape that you're floating free, that's where you slowly and gently rise up. Arise, rise, rise, rise.

Russ: okay.

Tia: so therefore it is necessary to do a more refined recording with a technician available because this next tape that we do will be part one or tape one. And then on the other side we will do tape two which will talk you through it again and it will be more of a directional tape.

Russ: will it take you to Hades Base?

Tia: no, no. We will do that on tape three which will be a very special limited edition which will start off with....in fact what I might do is for tape one is to do a little preamble, explaining what astral travel is, tape two I will also do a preamble and tape three will be a limited edition for those people that are ready to travel to Hades Base. We will do a tape four which will talk you through going solid. I did it, I got it open. (Speaks more Durondedunn) There's a chronometer here. What happened?

John: oh, it fell off the wall and the battery fell out of it. I've got to replace the battery and hang it back up.

Tia: okay so there will be numerous tapes, probably four in total which will be two tapes correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: which will talk you through the astral travel.

Russ: now will we go ahead and we'll do the preamble and then start the music?

Tia: correct.

Russ: okay.

Tia: in fact we might do some light music in the background for the preamble.

Russ: okay, I got something we can use.

Tia: better not, better not because it will distract.

Russ: oh yeah.

Tia: so you see what I'm saying?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: but by having these four tapes, it's up to you if you use the tapes later on to help other people at a small replacement fee for the tapes.

Russ: okay, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to pick up two 60 minutes.

Tia: yes 60 minutes would work.

Russ: because 45 may be a bit too long.

Tia: yes however for the astral travel tape to.....no, make them 45 because the preamble will take some time.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: uh-huh. So we will do the preamble. Now the special one, the Hades Base one as I said will be a limited edition which will be directed mainly at those people that want to come to visit us on Hades Base for extra tuition and coaching. And the guinea pig, is that correct?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: will have to report to you by telephone.

Russ: okay.

Tia: you know who that is?

Russ: who, Carrie?

Tia: of course.

Russ: didn't we give her one to Hades Base already?

Tia: I don't recall.

Russ: well I know I've got one to Hades Base, I thought that was a copy we made from hers?

Tia: no, I think that's the master. I don't think we ever sent her one but she doesn't have a device to listen with at the moment so what we will do if you two are up for it, is send her a little present of a portable, earphone recording......transmitting.

Russ: a tape recorder, I'll talk to Mark about it.

Tia: uh-huh, with the tape already in there and the batteries saying "put on and please listen".

Russ: okay and that will be tape three.

Tia: yes.

Russ: all right, oh shoot.

Tia: what?

Russ: I was suppose to call her and forgot about it. I'll call her tomorrow.

Tia: what do you want to call her?

Russ: I want to call her there but I can't.

Tia: how come?

Russ: I don't know her number.

Tia: oh yes, yes, yes. Okay.




(Kiri is next in the channeling circle on the Base.)

Russ: hey Kiri.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: how you doing?

Kiri: dude. And as Tia pointed out Johnny I, nine times out of 10, will go "yo dude" to start. That tells Russ that it's me.

John: okay. So you're also doing that for my benefit then too.

Kiri: uh-huh, it's also for his benefit too. Otherwise he mistakes me for my sister and she deliberately lowers her voice and talks like this all soft and nice and mushy and wimpy and manipulating.

Russ: I'm going to get some tea for you darling so....

Kiri: okay, coolness dude.

Russ: Johnny? Tea sir?

John: nah, not right now. My stomach's upset.

Kiri: yeah we can see that in the monitor. It's kind of going ?????????????. Correct?

John: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. So, you got questions, I've got answers. I'm an engineer and I'm a coercer.

John: like I said earlier, I'm really not feeling that well and I'm having a hard time concentrating and I'm not my usual.......

Kiri: bubbly, bouncy self?

John: bubbly, bouncy self.

Kiri: uh hum. What you need is
probably some vitamin C, some beta-carotene.

John: how about some spirolina? Would that help you think?

Kiri: yeah I think that would. And also we have a little concoction if there's enough still around, fresh, fresh thyme from the garden, should still be usable, some sage, some rosemary and crushed garlic and.....

Russ: tastes like hell but you can live on it. That microphone got nailed pretty hard.

Kiri: oh yeah and crushed garlic right? Steeped in hot water chopped....

John: does Mark know this recipe?

Kiri: it's been used before. We use it for all sorts of things and what it does is it starts to cleanse the pallet, it starts to cleanse the being as well.

John: okay.

Kiri: and I got.....that was Karra's instructions. She thought it was important that that information was given ISAP?

Russ: ASAP but you're close. Okay questions for you sweetheart, I actually have some for you this week. I knew you'd be here.

Kiri: well where else would I be on a Tuesday night?

Russ: very true.

Kiri: I know where I'd like to be and I can't say because we've got to keep it clean.

Russ: what was the living conditions like in Tonar's time? (From the Sirian Chronicles)

Kiri: that would be Tonar the Corrupt correct?

Russ: correct yes.

Kiri: as opposed to Tonar the Evil.

Russ: how comparable is it to nowadays?

Kiri: on Hades Base.....sorry on Sirius it was very similar that having just had the ascension...no you wanted Tonar the Evil didn't you?

Russ: Tonar the evil.

Kiri: uh-huh, not the corrupt.

Russ: this is before the exodus to Earth.

Kiri: uh-huh. That would be space travel, yes that was going on. I should say it was very similar to your home planet apart from the fact of intense heat and radiation developing and a lot of dying of plants and stuff.

Russ: you mean in Tonar the Evil's time huh?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it wasn't as bad as it got but you have to remember it was only oh I think between Tonar and Sarra there was only I think about three to 4,000 years.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-hum.

Russ: it's not that much.

Kiri: yeah because Sarra, she lived for a long, long time. In fact, it was rumored that she didn't die, that she went into the master pyramid and she's still there somewhere.

Russ: people make treks, religious treks kind of thing?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

Russ: to see if the rumor is true?

Kiri: uh-huh and it's kind of perpetuated by the religious order that protects it.

Russ: now who was Luntar? Was that another brother that was mentioned with the father and two brothers of Tonar?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he was one of the brothers.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so the daughters of Luntar, or the children of Luntar who formed the order of truth, light and wisdom or servants of truth, light and wisdom.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: that was Luntar. Why do they call themselves the children of Luntar? Because they were actually his children or descendents of his children or something?

Kiri: he was the father of them in several different ways. There was his I believe wife and then her daughters. Because she was only capable supposedly of giving daughters.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: and he was also the father of his grandchildren and his great-grandchildren literally which at the time was frowned upon.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: I mean the whole entire hierarchy back then was very corrupt, very flamboyant, very and I'm looking for the word and I can't think of it.

Russ: now Tonar had some inherent psychic abilities right?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: coercion

Kiri: coercion being one.

Russ: right, that means that it ran in the family.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: does that mean that because Luntar had incestuous relationships with his grandkids that....

Kiri: and great grandkids.

Russ: great grandkids, that perhaps that a recessive gene became...

Kiri: reinforced, yes.

Russ: reinforced and stronger and stronger which brought about the mind powers that....

Kiri: uh-huh. You have to remember that daughters of Tonar were a little bit corrupt and twisted themselves.

Russ: right.

Kiri: I mean they did some according to records some pretty nasty breeding programs. After the third or fourth generation, they would manipulate genes that there'd only be daughters born. They manipulated genes so that for a guy it would've been paradise because a coercer sleeping with as many women that were coercers as possible and it was like being at stud. You'd enjoy that wouldn't you?

John: I think I could handle that, sure.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: kind of like having a harem?

Kiri: yeah apart from it was forced upon them.

Russ: you'd be the harem girl.

John: what?

Russ: for that right?

Kiri: yeah, you're the harem girl. You're the one that gets passed around.

John: yeah I missed something here.

Russ: in other words you wouldn't have all these women that you would....that would come and service you, you'd be going to service all of them.

John: right okay. Right okay yeah.

Russ: that's how that would work. It'd still be kind of fun.

John: yeah oh geeze.

Kiri: yeah it would be actually, I'd enjoy that, I'd have enjoyed it tremendously. But they were a very corrupt and twisted......I mean the pictures I've seen of all the women they are fabulously beautiful even by our standards. But the recordings, they don't seem particularly smart.

Russ: hmm, how about the servants of truth, light and wisdom, the girls of Luntar?

Kiri: that's who I'm referring to.

Russ: oh, I see. So the daughters of Tonar....

Kiri: oh sorry, yes you're correct.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: you're correct.

Russ: I got confused there for a sec.

Kiri: yeah you see, I got myself confused.

Russ: okay so the servants of truth, light and wisdom are the daughters of Luntar.

Kiri: not exactly, they took that name.

Russ: okay. It's just an honorary.....

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay now going on to other subjects real quick....

Kiri: because Luntar wasn't...

Russ: wasn't what?

Kiri: wasn't as white and as pure as the history, the common history is painted as.

Russ: oh well that's just a myth.

Kiri: in fact he was probably almost as bad as his brother.

Russ: yeah well his brother was killed by him so..

Kiri: yeah. It was probably either he killed him or he would have killed his brother.

Russ: hard times.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now Mark and I saw a program on the face on Mars.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now what we were looking at is, we know that some sister worlds were created on Hades Base, Earth, Alpha Centauri. Now is the face on Mars then and the corresponding pyramids and obelisks near it then part of that sister world? (From the Sirian Chronicles)

Kiri: what do you think?

Russ: well I'm trying to find out is, where the memory that was built on Hades Base is. Is it a pyramid or is it the face on Mars?

Kiri: there is a pyramid there.

Russ: well I know that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but I'm wondering about that face on Mars.

Kiri: it was a beacon.

Russ: for us guys here on earth?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay so the memory that they're talking about that came alive on Alpha Centauri and Hades Base would be the pyramid actually.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay, so it wouldn't be the face on Mars.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so conditions were very much Earth like at one time I would say.

Kiri: oh yes.

Russ: and that when the sister world was created?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: now at point did they move underground? After the ascension to sixth dimension?

Kiri: no, they never moved underground.

Russ: they died off from the planet's surface?

Kiri: kind of. They did what was necessary to survive.

Russ: such as what?

Kiri: well what do you do when your house is on fire?

Russ: leave it?

Kiri: that's right, you go into the nearest possible place that is safe.

Russ: where, underground? Wait a minute, what stripped the atmosphere of Mars in the first place? A meteor strike is what's been theorized?

Kiri: there are quite a number of different things that occurred. It was a chain reaction and it could have survived but they were certain catatalistic events that occurred that caused it to go "oh dear".

Russ: okay so all you have left are structures that would withstand that kind of...

Kiri: uh-huh. One of the things that happened actually was a greenhouse effect.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: but the greenhouse effect is a very funny thing, it's not a greenhouse effect. See what happens is in theory you get a layer of cloud that keeps the heat in right? But the heat also bleeds out as well, not as quickly and not as rapidly but it will bleed out right? And what happens initially is, yes there is global warming but once the heat has been stopped from penetrating in right? Because of the layer it's being reflected away, what happens then?

Russ: it goes cold.

Kiri: that's right. And as it goes cold things freeze and it reaches such a point that it starts freezing the water that's in the air right? Which makes the air thinner right? Which in turn makes the temperature drop more rapidly which in turns freezes more elements that are in the air like carbon dioxide and so on right? Which in turn does what?

Russ: creates a poisonous environment.

Kiri: also makes the atmosphere thinner still, where all the chemicals and everything get locked into ice or into the frozen ground.

Russ: so how did these guys do what they had to survive? They mutated?

Kiri: think.

Russ: I don't know, I'd say I'd leave, I'd split the planet.

Kiri: and I said yes.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: where would you go?

Russ: where would I go, to Earth.

Kiri: and my comment was to where would you go would be to the next safest place which is?

Russ: Earth.

Kiri: correct. God sometimes I have to lead him by the nose.

Russ: okay now, we know that Atlantis was settled in the first colonization of sister worlds from Sirius.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we know that Hades Base was settled at the same time. (The 3rd dimensional one on the surface.)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now if it took a while for the colony on Hades Base to wipe itself out, theoretically that would be after the fall of Atlantis.

Kiri: yeah kind of. You see I don't have those, those aren't in my library.

Russ:: I know but I'm going over what Omal and I discussed on history of the earth.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now then, after the fall of Atlantis, would we then be safe in saying that the spaceships we're talking about are the folks from Hades Base who were looking for a new?

Kiri: I don't know, I don't know, because those are not in my library as I said.

Russ: I'm just theorizing, I just wanted to theorize with you, I not asking for a concrete answer.

Kiri: as an engineer, what I look for is proof. Not hearsay, not circumstantial evidence, I want hard and fast clear proof. In black and white and color if necessary, pictures and words.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: with nice gold trim on a nice white page. You know all around the edges, gold trim, little bit of red and silver weaved into...

Russ: I'll ask Omal.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: o
kay, next question. Money or its substitute is a necessary requisite for our current life on third dimension.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: now, getting past its dependence, is that a part of raising consciousness or is the ability to use it as a means to increase consciousness?

Kiri: both.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: you use it as a means to an ends which in this case would to be increasing consciousness but you also learn how to use it and that it is not necessary. But by learning to use it and realizing that you can do without it. For example, you buy land right? Let's say 20 acres right? Is that about right, nice large area?

John: okay yeah.

Kiri: okay you put 10 acres to pursuit of raising cattle and chickens so that you can get food and so on right?

John: right.

Kiri: use 10 acres to grow tubers, carrots, peas, beans, sprouts, whatever you want in the vegetable department. Lettuce, strawberries, herbs, etc., etc. etc. right?

John: yeah.

Kiri: you learn how to use, if you have pigs you learn how to make methane. And what can you do with methane?

Russ: methane can be used for an energy source.

John: you can use it for a fuel source.

Kiri: that's right so you don't need outside. If you've got a permanent water supply going through the land, you don't need outside help. With the cattle when you slaughter them, what you do with their hides?

John: you would tan them and make them into clothes and shoes.

Kiri: that's right and if you have sheep as well, what you do with the sheep?

John: you would use the wool to make clothing.

Kiri: what are you now?

Russ: self-sufficient.

Kiri: totally self-sufficient. Totally independent, self-sufficient, no problems whatsoever. 30 acres would be a much better, manageable area.

Russ: true. Now what I'm looking at is in our future where we're dealing with problems of no money let's say.

Kiri: that goes back to the 30 acres.

Russ: okay, let's say if you don't have 30 acres and you have to deal with raising your consciousness but also self-survival.

Kiri: survival, uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now how are you going to be able to raise your consciousness and still deal with survival? Seems like survival is going to be a full-time job at that point.

Kiri: you need goods and stuff right? Money will always be around. If you've got no skills, how do you make money in an environment that's gone to pot? There's no more electrical power, there's no more TV, there's no more waves coming through the air with music in them, radio, how do you make a living?

Russ: labor?

Kiri: well supposing you not strong enough?

Russ: barter off your services as a.....I don't know.

Kiri: I'll give you a clue. Let me tell you a story.

Russ: oh a bard?

Kiri: yes. You can play a musical instrument can't you?

John: oh I used to play a trombone when I was quite a bit younger.

Kiri: uh-huh. See a musician, you can play the drums. Don't know what Mark can do. Doesn't have much of a singing voice but there again he is a poet.

Russ: uh-huh, we'll figure out skills and stuff as we go along.

Kiri: well Mark can always hire himself out with his weapon skills and so on. Don't think he would enjoy being a mercenary.

John: and you could do bartering couldn't you?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: where you would take maybe some of your vegetables and herbs and trade them with someone else who may be raising chickens for eggs or whatever?

Kiri: that's right.

John: that would be a feasible, viable..

Kiri: uh-hum, exactly.

John: that's how people survived on the planet for a long time.

Kiri: Tia says a very good example is Sarajevo? Sarajevo, thank you Tia.

Russ: well there is also the issue of a co-op.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: being able to create one and maintain one. Right now it wouldn't be a practical matter due to the fact that there is a surplus of goods, money and everyone doesn't need anything from everyone else yet.

Kiri: that's right.

Russ: but in the future, a co-op would be a very handy little item to have or to create.

Kiri: yes, you could survive.

Russ: right now, about the raising of consciousness part, two ways to do that.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: number one, some of the goods that you use as barter would be as a teacher of psychic abilities let say.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: in which in that way you increase your own abilities while increasing somebody else's.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay?

Kiri: there are other ways of making money with abilities. (Does some sleight-of-hand) Where did it go?

John: in your other hand.

Kiri: I know, I'm giving a demonstration.

Russ: the other way would be working with within the co-op that you form among those people wishing to work on cooperating with goods and services and forming study groups.

Kiri: yeah. Okay I think the recording device is about to be switched over, it's getting close. And I revised it.

John: it's got some time left on it doesn't it?

Russ: about 30 seconds.

John: oh really? It's that close?

Russ: how did we go through 45 minutes already?

John: God that went by fast. Yeah it's 10:15 already.

Russ: I'm telling you.

John: yeah, no that's probably fast.

Russ: I have a feeling we just started.

Kiri: let's have a look at this chronometer. Okay it's two, one, two little dots.

Russ: 21.

Kiri: five, nine.

Russ: 21:59. 21:59? It's 9:59?

Kiri: and 30.

Russ: yeah guess it is, 10 o'clock.

John: my clock must be faster than what I thought.

Kiri: uh-hmm. So that tape will need turning......I say about a minute and a half. On my mark, now. But yes, certainly skills are very, very necessary to perfect.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: c
ertainly your healing ability as doctors may become scarcer will come in handy, as will yours.

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SIDE TWO


(Tia has already come on between speakers.)

Russ: oh that will be fun.

Tia: okay.

Russ: Johnny, can I light an incense?

John: oh yeah, for sure.

Tia: isn't that a game for all the family?

John: what's this?

Russ: incense, a game for all the family.

John: oh God, not incest, incense. Yeah that's what Sandy referred to as the goddess incense.

Russ: smells like opium. (Incense)

John: does it have an opium smell? Yeah good idea lighting that incense.

Russ: Mark really needs those knees you know, it's really good for him. H
ow's your skiing coming along babe? Crash hot yet? (Teasing her)

Tia: Saturday.

Russ: crashed?

Tia: Saturday.

Russ: oh Saturday you're going up?

John: (mumbles something funny.)



(Omal takes over from Kiri.)

Omal: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: the bitch from Mars?

Russ: I don't think he expected anybody to hear that one.

John: yeah, I didn't expect you to pop in there so soon, it kind of took me by surprise.

Omal: okay, now as we are short on meta-concert individuals, what we will do is we will work on energy. Karra's idea for this evening will be placed on hold.

Russ: okay.

Omal: and as that seems to be between you, Karra and myself and nobody else at the moment, you will explain the purpose of the white paper and the dot and the candle..........

Russ: and the plant.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, what I was going to do is, work on first off being able to feel energy around you. Specifically life energy.

John: okay.

Russ: and the way I was going to do that was take a plant and you'd close your eyes and I'd put it in different places and you'd have to pick out where it is from around you with your eyes closed from feeling its energy.

Omal: however we do have a way of dealing with that, Johnny......

John: yeah.

Omal and I'm showing off.

Russ: oh, okay.

Omal: note where the feline is.

John: yeah.

Omal: right? Put your hand out and approach it.

John: approach the feline with my hand?

Omal: yes hand out like this, if this was the feline, go like this.

John: okay.

Omal: but don't touch him.

John: and should I get as close to it as I can without touching it?

Omal: yeah, uh-hum, about that far should be good. Now, close your eyes, bring your hand away right? Okay now close your eyes and now go in gently and stop when you feel him.

John: without actually touching him.

Omal: that's correct. Okay now, bring your hand away again, take a deep breath, feel the energy flowing into you. And now try it this time and tell us when you feel his energy.

John: I just touched his paw......yeah.

Omal: can you feel his energy?

John: uh hum, I'm not sure if it's his whiskers or his energy I don't know. I don't know how close my hand is to him.

Omal: okay now bring your hand away again.

John: okay.

Omal: now bring it in again until you feel his energy. That is something that is used to sense energy fields. For example, eyes closed and I'm not looking at the monitor.......there, energy field of the plant and there is warmth coming up from that candle there. If you notice, my hand is staying roughly in a constant pattern of the plant, you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you can also do that as a practice Russ. With plants, felines and other people.

Russ: okay, I've been practicing with crystals too.

Omal: correct. Now the purpose of the candle that we were going to use was.......the paper, okay is to put it in between the plant......it's about the same height....there....and what we wanted you to do was first of all push the flame away from the plant without seeing it. Such as.......

John: is the draft from that heater having......?

Omal: it is hampering a bit, I did have it standing up properly.

John: want me to go turn the heat down temporally.

Omal: no that's not necessary.

John: okay.

Omal: in fact it makes it more of a challenge.

Russ: wow, that's pretty good.

Omal: and now it is going bananas but that is a rough demonstration.

Russ: okay.

Omal: now the thing to do next would be and only the executive would be able to see this at this point, is we put it back in between there and we would bend it back which is much easier.

Russ: it's standing up fine though.

Omal: that does make it more of a challenge. Okay, so you understand what will be happening next time we work on the meta-concert?

Russ: okay and why are we doing it between the plant and the candle?

Omal: because we're using the plant as an energy source and a target for a cause and effect.

Russ: oh okay.

Omal: there, the candle is now back to normal from its erratic behavior.

Russ: I see, so another words, you would be drawing it towards the plant's energy?

Omal: correct.

Russ: huh, okay.

Omal: a little bit like a star that is sucking energy from another star.

Russ: and the other thing to do with the paper was that little dot I drew on it? That was to be practiced for directing your energy toward that little dot making it that's the size of energy you're going to direct. Is
that too small though?
 
Omal: no that is correct.

Russ: okay right. So you want your energy beam to be about that wide.

John: okay, so you're talking a really, really small beam.

Russ: right and so you practice, I mean you can direct your mind to picture directing the beam but how to get it down to the size you want at the distance you want is what I'd use this for.

John: right.

Russ: practicing how to get it down to that small from where you're at right now let's say.

John: okay.

Russ: and because we have to do it between secondaries and primaries and conductors, they all use the same beam, you know size beam, would be good for everybody had we had a full group.

John: okay so that's the significance of the dot, it gives everyone the same size beam to focus on......

Russ: right yeah.

John: am I understanding this right?

Russ: correct.

John: okay. Now how close did I get to Calvin without touching him? Was I pretty close?

Russ: you were like.......

John: pretty close?

Russ: pretty close.

John: and I could feel him.....I mean I don't know, like I said I don't think it was his whiskers or anything.

Omal: well the more you practice the more sensitive you will become. There is no other felines around to demonstrate on and I don't think it would be advisable to disturb him as he seems to be prepping up for a astral travel trip and he is already inflicted some damage. Tia owes her husband for that.

Russ: Kiri does actually.

Omal: no it was Tia.

Russ: oh it was Tia?

Omal: Kiri started it, Tia finished off.

Russ: oh God. Okay now I'd like to get into a little bit on crystals and their energy if I could and well the first question is, how would inclusions of different substances affect the crystal's energy? This one I just picked up which has the chlorine inclusion in it.

Omal: yes it does affect the energy and it affects it in different ways depending on the property of the material that is encoded within it.

Russ: okay.

Omal: an inclusion will have many different effects depending on as I said the source of the material. Whether it is organic, inorganic or another mineral. If you have.......natives are restless........if you have for example in this one let us say if you had gold flaking in there, that will affect it in a different energy pattern than if this one was perfectly clear, which it almost is.

Russ: I mean my healing scalpel has got some pyrite in it.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay I see what you mean. Okay now with this crystal here, normally I get all my energy from crystals from my left hand because I'm drawing them in, this one I get all the energy from my right hand. Does this mean it's a female crystal or male crystal compared to the ones I'm usually handling or how's that?

Omal: it has a different background and runs in reverse due to the substance that is being held within.

Russ: oh the chlorine? Oh it affects its polarity let's say?

Omal: correct yes, that is what I just said.

Russ: right okay well yeah, I'm translating to where I understand it.

Omal: ahhh.

Russ: okay now there is an earth keeper crystal at the rock shop that I picked this up at. It's maybe four or 5 feet long and maybe about 3 feet wide, single or double terminated with one end fairly getting kind of clear.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and it's maybe yeah a foot and a half wide, well maybe foot and half wide and all-around it and about 5 feet long.

Omal: yes and it is outside your fiscal range?

Russ: $15,000 right, it's quite a bit out of my fiscal range. But, what I don't understand is, I felt it for energy, you know being as a crystal point that large ought to be just booming with energy....

Omal: and it was not.

Russ: it was dead as a rock.

Omal: it has not been cared for.

Russ: okay, now how would you energize something like that?

Omal: first of all, a full moon would be very useful and then a very bright day and talking and being with it.

Russ: so in other words it's sort of an abused sort of crystal let's say?

Omal: unfortunately yes. But the energy is very subtle within it. A crystal like that does need companionship.

Russ: oh okay because the lady that put it at the shop had got it on consignment so obviously she picked it up at a real cheap price and realized that somebody would be willing to pay a lot of money for it.

Omal:  correct.

Russ: and she never cared for what it does except for that it's a big rock, big crystal.

Omal:  correct.

Russ: okay, well if I hit the lottery maybe I'll take it and give it a good home but....

Omal: it seems as if they're having a party?

Russ: big party.

Omal: there is a number of people there? (Next door)

Russ: yeah. Okay, right and then when I was in the shop, I had to keep my senses down because the whole shop was.....

Omal: just vibrating. Yes that is correct that is where shielding comes in use.

Russ: right and that was what I was practicing was the shielding at that point because it was overpowering at some points and it left me kind of shaking a little bit there. But I couldn't find any record keepers, apparently they don't have any.

Omal: no, they are not that common.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay next question.

Russ: Johnny, I'm hogging all the questions.

John: it's all right, I'm kind of at a loss.

Russ: oh okay.

John: you know I'm very interested in what you've been talking about with the inclusions and the crystals and how that actually changes the polarity and the energy flow in them. Very interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

Russ: I wasn't either and there was some smoky quartz's with the rutilated in it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now I don't get along well with smokies for some reason. I keep buying them and they just keep disappearing from wherever I happen to put them and I can never find them again.

Omal: it might be your vibrational frequency, I would have to investigate.

Russ: okay. Another thing is, last week you worked on negative feedback loops.

Omal: correct.

Russ: but the way you described it was in the reverse of the way I was taught. When we first started doing negative feedback loops way back when.

Omal: yes.

Russ: you sent them in through the head.

Omal: whereas originally it was designed to go in through.......

Russ: the root chakra.

Omal: correct.

Russ: right, how is the change?

Omal: it is because of the difference of the individuals. They need a fast, quick, rapid result whereas you were prepared to work slowly. Working slowly is better but in this case they needed a quick jolt. So it is a matter of as has been stated in the past, tailoring things to the various individuals.

Russ: I see.

Omal: okay.

Russ: now I was practicing a little bit with going up through your direction now and feels like it's a lot more energy.

Omal: correct, it is a faster, quicker process that is used as I said to quicken somebody's growth.

Russ: is there more chance for burnout that way?

Omal: yes but however novices seldom have a high enough energy output to do so much damage.

Russ: I see, so theoretically, what you could do is, you could start off that way to get yourself going.

Omal: going but then reverse it later on.

Russ: but then switch it around so you don't burn out.

Omal: okay, last question please.

Russ: umm...oh yeah, on encounters, or not encounters, on the X-Files that Mark and I have been watching where they're discussing......

Omal: abductees?

Russ: abductees and the Japanese using alien DNA to work with making a combination human alien hybrid. Well we've done that already up on Hades Base. (3rd dimensional DNA combined with 6th dimensional DNA with our children though Mark and myself.)

Omal: correct, no.

Russ: they can't do it down here.

Omal: it is unlikely.

Russ: okay, thank you Omal,

Omal: thank you, live long, prosper.



(Kiri cuts the night short.)

John: I thought that was a Vulcan thing.

Russ: it's his thing.

Kiri: it's a joke.

Russ: oh I forgot to ask him, shoot me, won't you dear please?

Kiri: (shoots me)

Russ: frickin shoot me.

Kiri: save it, what was the question?

Russ: it was about the people coming from Hades Base to earth in that time frame.

Kiri: oh well, nevermind, nevermind okay last person and we're going to do this short due to the fact of energy drain. In fact I think we're going to cut it because Mark's hitting critical.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay? I'm sorry but we're concerned for Mark's safety in this case.

Russ: oh no problem.

Kiri: because he's down redlining at 20....yeah 24 1/2% which is critical.

Russ: okay, bye love.

THE TAPE ENDS.


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