MASTERING YOUR MENTAL MODEM 07/22/97
Archivist Notes: While the topic from the
channeling session this month's podcast is based
on what was discussed with Omal and Kiri, all of the
session had some excellent information to offer. The
Euro was on the brink of becoming the currency of most
of Europe which and Tia explores the outcome. Omal
helps me after that with a dissertation on the
consciousness of the mind in regards to it's
comparison to a computer. Karra finishes up side one
with a timely discussion about my issues I had trying
to use her computer while looking up a topic.
Side two sees Karra finishing up our
computer discussion followed by Omal's return with a
quick explanation of dreams and pre-destiny. Kiri and Omal complete side
two with an enlightening discussion
and demonstration of coercion.
Kiri does the
demonstrating and Omal goes over the karmic and moral implications of
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(Tia begins the session.)
Tia: okay, let's get down to
business now whilst we've had frivolous chitchat. Okay, let
us look at my favorite subject, the stock market. Again
another new high today, up 150 points.
Russ: was it?
Russ: it was down three when I saw it.
Tia: ahhh, well news from Greenspan
contributed to the increase as well as the better than
expected profits from various companies this quarter. What's
happening is much as I predicted right?
Tia: the very, very rapid growth rate. This
has contributed to the better-than-expected earnings,
Greenspan's report on the state of the economy and his
saying that eventually the interest rate will have to go up
but at the moment there is no inflation which is a lie,
there is inflation but it's only a little inflation. I see
from this overconfidence. Where does the market go from
where it is at the moment? There's only one place for it to
go, which is?
Tia: exactly. There will be little downturns which are
basically profit-taking so if it loses 1.5% of its profit,
Russ: just a drop of 80 points?
Tia: 80 points, 150, that's nothing, that's peanuts. So there's
nothing much to watch out for at this time apart from the
continuing increase in the price of shares which in my
opinion are very much overly priced. After all, from 1994 to
today, it's gone from 3,000 to 8,000 which is a jump of
5,000 points. Very, very strange. Very strange,
shouldn't be doing that. And the fact that it took
approximately 50 years to get to 3,000 and then a sudden
increase as it has at present is quite concerning. And there
are people out there that are expressing their concerns but
let us not dwell on the stock market as that could take up
too much time. Any questions?
Russ: with the so far as they've been noticing the strength
of the dollar's growing?
Tia: it is?
Tia: in comparison to what, the yen?
Russ: well as a comparison from what it was a while
Russ: and with that, it's making our trade deficit wider.
Russ: now how do you see that as affecting the basic economy
from that point?
Tia: well it's going to be more reliant on internal factors.
The fact that the dollar can buy more now against most
currencies means that importing American items let us say to
Germany, means that it becomes more expensive. Whereas if
Germany is exporting to the United States, their products
become cheaper and so therefore it benefits the German
economy. However, if you look externally at European
markets, the question is why have they become shaky
currencies? But it's primarily to do, if you look at the
me readdress this matter a little. They euro is a new
currency that will be coming into effect soon. The attitude
of some governments is to let it decrease or their currencies
decrease in value so that their populations are used to a
different currency. When it comes, it's looked upon as a
relief, "oh a new currency. Our
standards of living will go up." The euro, having started
off with bad legs, will become a shaky currency like the
Mexican lire or is it peso in Mexico?
Tia: the Mexican peso or the lire that are dodgy currencies.
Not very strong and you can have a 1,000 pesos, which is
worth how much Russ?
Russ: a 1,000 pesos is approximately $150.00.
Tia: exactly, not very much at all. So that you have this
shaky currency in an industrial area such as Europe, now
what does that do?
Russ: well it's going to destabilize the economies of those
countries using it.
Russ: but now is the euro some kind of common......
Russ: currency that they've been working on for years?
Russ: so it's going to be valid in what countries?
Tia: it's going to be valid in Greece, Italy, Belgium,
Netherlands, Luxembourg, United Kingdom, Ireland, France,
Spain, Sicily, Turkey.
Russ: or are they going to hold with the ruble?
Tia: Russia is not part of the EEC. It's all EEC countries
that will be having one currency.
Russ: so it's everything but Russia.
Tia: no, Poland's not a member of the EEC, not yet.
Russ: I thought they got, they were looking for admission?
Tia: yeah, they are.
Russ: they haven't been approved yet?
Tia: not yet. They're pretty close to being approved. You
see what's happening is that by creating this one currency,
you're destabilizing the economies.
Russ: well isn't this the sign, one of the signs of the
Tia: could be. Not one of my predictions though.
Russ: from the Bible.
Tia: not from my predictions, from the Bible?
Tia: yours or mine?
Tia: oh yours? I haven't read yours.
Russ: yeah, it's one of the, apparently one of the signs.
Tia: okay, my dissertation's over, do you have any
questions for me young lady?
Ann: no, not right now.
Tia: okay, actually......nevermind.
(Omal comes on for his first of three
Omal: greetings and felicitations and
welcome. First of all, let me introduce myself as you may
already be aware, I am Omal. By my voice and having listened
to the tape, you will recognize my mannerisms and speakings
hopefully. Greetings Ann.
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us get down and address Tia's comments on
the current stock market. Again, with accuracy that only Tia
seems to be able to have persistently achieved. She is quite
correct, there is only one place for the Dow to go and that
is up but it must be remembered that you have to look at
other parts of the market. Such as the NASDAQ index, the
Russell 500 and the S&P index. All these things are
indicators that need to be watched and looked at. The
majority of them are climbing but they are worth watching to
see what they do as one will have an effect on the other.
For example, if one starts to drop rather dramatically,
another one is more than likely to follow suit. Thank you,
now on to my dissertation dealing with the consciousness of
the mind. My favorite topic as a manifestor is how to use
and focus the mind. The mind is a wonderful tool. The
development of the mind in a spiritual pathway is necessary
as I am fond of saying for evolutionary advancement. But
what of the mind, how does it develop? Why does it choose
the paths that it is choosing? Well it is necessary to learn
certain lessons. Lessons that the individuals have decided
will benefit them on their path through life. Lessons that
they need for advancement. Certain environmental factors for
communication with the external world, no stimuli for the
mind apart from maybe a few books and the environment will
create the necessary tools as building blocks for
advancement. For example, if you have no communication
devices or entertainment devices of an electronical nature,
then what do you do for fun? You read, you have
conversations and use the development of these abilities to
become more eloquent and to sharpen the mind. Now with that
comes the higher functions of astral travel, manifestation,
coercion, psychokinesis and healing. All very necessary
tools. Let us take manifestation. In an environment like
that, why would you need manifestation? Well manifestation
first of all takes many forms. From being able to create
something out of nothing by using the mind, to sitting down
and creating something with your hands such as clothing,
that is manifestation. Poetry is manifestation. Writing
letters is manifestation. It is taking your skill to create
something out of very little. And with these learning's and
pathways that individuals deem necessary for their
advancement, come a whole host of other possibilities. How
do you use these gifts, these abilities? Well, it is
recommended that they are used for a positive nature but I
must add that there is also the possibility of using them in
a negative way. That is for the individual to choose which
is necessary. Any questions?
Russ: yeah, in the earlier days back before television,
radio and all that, you'd have austere monks and hermits
who'd go off into the wilds and sit by themselves. And this
would be an adequate environment such as you're talking
Omal: in a way, yes. But it is more limiting. Having an
austere environment certainly helps to focus the mind but it
does nothing for the well-being of an individual. After all,
you need comfort to live happily. If you are not happy, then
it is more difficult to advance. For example, if you take
everything away except for four walls, a ceiling and a bed
but no blankets, you are uncomfortable. You get used to your
environments but you will remember how things were. If you
come from an environment where you start off life with
limited properties, maybe a room, a bed, a blanket and you
advance through life having more properties. Books, more
blankets to keep you warmer, a bigger room, a nicer room,
then you are progressing and you have a goal. But if you go
in reverse, this in itself can become a problem that
you are deliberately starving yourself of the goals
necessary to advance.
Russ: hmm, thank you.
Omal: any more questions?
Russ: okay, so then basically what we're talking about is an
environment let's say that is specifically designed for
that. For example, take the old monasteries where you would
have your cell so far but you're kept fed. What if it was a
little more better surroundings where you are kept in better
comfort, fed but yet you still have that time to yourself
Omal: that is what I am saying.
Omal: that progressing is the key. If you are in an
environment where you cannot progress, you are fed but you
have no chance of advancement, then what happens to your
drive to advance?
Omal: and it applies to the abilities. If you do not have
the stimuli to become better and be rewarded, then why try?
Russ: now how do you address this on the base or even in
Omal: there are always objectives in learning, knowledge.
Take for example a young lady that came from a for want of a
better word, a poor family (Lyka). She was
given the opportunity to be an oath keeper, she accepted it.
She goes through hardships but attains knowledge as she
does so. She now has a place in life when she fulfills her
oath keeping of being a revered individual. The fact that it
might take up to 500 years for her to achieve that goal, to
become a revered former oath keeper, is the objective that she
has. From a poor family to somebody that has a rank, a
station in life and then to progress on to somebody that is
revered is her goals.
Omal: and with that goals come reward for doing her duty as
an oath keeper, she is given properties or objects as a gift
of gratitude from people for fulfilling an oath that they
could not keep. Or you take somebody that comes from a
wealthy family and they are given the opportunities to go to
a higher education, they participate in the oath
keeping in a limited way and in return they're
given an opportunity to be at a place where they will meet
somebody of special significance to them (Karra).
So you see, gifts and rewards are part of advancement.
Russ: hmmm, okay. At this time I'd like to address the
questions that I was well framing in my mind about what I
was working with on the base yesterday, the mind as the
Russ: or as an Internet. And what I was working on was how
in working with your mind, you're working on a set of
communications within the other people of your world. For
example those folks here on earth that we don't recognize
the connections that we have with them and the
communications that we do on a constant level with them but
yet when we wish it, we can make that communication happen
by merely focusing on that person. So the Internet is the
allegory I use for.....
Russ: analogy thank you......for the thought that's put out
such as what we do when we click on something to find that
particular person or item or knowledge.
Russ: do you feel this would be something that would be
worth pursuing as far as learning more about it and how to
make it work in more of that specific focused thought?
Omal: it is all something that you are already working on.
The reason being that I say that is that you are looking
into it, you are asking questions about it. A comparison to
the Internet and the mind is a good analogy. Your mind if
you look at it under a microscope, all the neurons and
connections, is very similar to the motherboard of a
computer with all its connections and chips and so on. It is
similar in the connections as in the mind. So the comparison
computer and the mind is a starting point. Add in to this
the computer modem. The modem makes it able to communicate
with other computers. Your voice makes you able to
communicate with other people, your voice is your modem.
But, also, you have another modem within you where you can
project thoughts. And with projecting thoughts, you can
project a tighter focused individual as opposed to
the normal mode of communication through vocalizing. Now if
I wish to talk to Ann privately, I would have to take her to
a different room but using the mind's capability to transmit
and receive on the correct frequencies, I could talk
privately. So the Internet and your mind is almost the same
entity. Being that by thinking and sub vocalizing, people
will pick up on emotions, they pick up on feelings coming
from other people, they call it vibes. Ann, have you ever
been in a room with someone where you know what they are
thinking by the vibes that they're giving off?
Ann: uh-hum, yeah.
Omal: so that is one modem transmitting and being received
by another modem as opposed to the other modem that you have
being the vocal communication. Now, using the computer, you
can talk to a lot of people in the same way as you can talk
to a room full of people. The same way that I am doing now
by using vocal communication. Now, if you wish to talk to
somebody privately on the Internet, you send them an e-mail
or take them to an area where nobody else can go except for
you and that person, a private room in essence.
Omal: you can do the same yourselves by using your mind.
Simple words, "hello, how are you?" "I am fine, I'm doing
well, I am good." Is easy to transmit and the more
complicated messages come with practice and time, like
typing at a keyboard. I know that some people present in the
room use the advanced method of typing of two fingers and
some people use the expert method of communicating of all
digits. So it is the same thing that the mind works on
several capabilities of communication. Vocally and sub
vocally. Sub vocally can be broken down into simple words
typed with two fingers, more complicated words typed with
four fingers and more complicated sentences and
communications using all the required digits. Any questions?
Russ: yeah, whereas some people have different kinds of
computers, different speeds of modems, could we say then
that people's abilities to pick up on other people's
transmissions would be in a similar vein?
Omal: I would think that that would be self-evident. You
have somebody that is intently intelligent, they think at a
higher rate and a faster rate than somebody that is not so
intelligent. Or somebody that is younger, children will
think at a slower rate as they have to process each new
experience. The older an individual gets, the more common
the experience becomes and they become sub-routines,
things that happen automatically. Whereas a new experience
slows the mind down and you try to take everything in. It is
like that with a computer, that when you give it something
that it does repetitively, you make it as easy as possible
for the computer to do that. But something new, a new
program, a computer has to learn it and it is the same with
I ask a question?
sure, help yourself.
Ann: I don't know if this goes along with this but what
about, do dreams have anything to do with like if a dream
that you have and then it comes true. Like I had a dream and
it stuck in me and it just you know it kept.....
Omal: that is the mind processing possibilities and
stringing them in a way that a situation is possible. The
more that the mind processes it and projects it into a
dream, means that the chances of these events occurring in
this particular way becomes more likely. For example, a
dream of getting into a vehicle, driving along and getting a
flat tire. It is a concern that your tires are not as strong
as they should be. And it is processed and manifests itself
in the dream as having a flat tire. When it happens a few
days later, it is normally something that you have dream't
about that happens. One of those dreams of precognition but
why? Well it is the concern of what will happen. You have
noticed that your tires are in need of repair, you realize
that there is a higher chance that they could have a flat
tire. Now normally when these things are noticed, is
when it becomes instead of a one in 100 or one in a 1,000
chance, it is more along the lines of one in five, one in
three or an even chance. Either it will or it
won't happen. And dreams that come true are like that. That
certain situations are going on in your life which creates
the possibility of these events occurring. Now having a
dream about somewhere that you have not been before such as
a habitation unit, a house and you go there and you
actually arrive and it is as you dream't it is truly
precognition, something new. But it is also something old,
something planned long ago within your subconscious in a
period of waiting for rebirth that an environment will be
created with the aid of other people that will trigger
precognition, a revelation. Something that helps you to
focus. Have I answered your question adequately or would you
wish a longer explanation?
Ann: well this dream was like, it was about.....it was a
dream of a school bus and then a month later this school
bus.......well what I saw in the dream then, I looked down
the hill after this bus went over my head. The accident that
was there happened a month later, it was in the front page
of a newspaper. Exactly the same, exactly what I saw in my
dream and a month later it happened with the school bus from
Yuba City. This was years ago but it bothered me a
whole bunch after I had the dream, I had to keep telling
everybody because it really bothered me and then all of a
sudden there it was in the paper.
the dream serves a function as a warning and as something to
learn from. Now by telling people about your dream, you may
be serving a function of warning people and giving
option of not being there. For example let us
say there was a little girl on that bus that was on that bus
every day. And the day of the accident, her mother or her
father kept her at home or took her to school by car. Now
the accident occurs and the damage, the main part of the
damage occurs on a seat that is normally has an occupant but
that day is empty. What have you done? You have saved an
individual from great pain and suffering and even possibly
death. But, looking at it from the other side, you have also
taken away an experience that that person might have found
useful in the future and they might later on put themselves
in the same kind of environment where that happens or the
chances to learn from that experience happens again. Or, by
doing so and telling somebody of your dream and that person
keeping their child away from the bus at that time, you have
learned a lesson that by using your dream as a tool to
warn, you have done good and saved. Whichever way you have
Ann: thank you.
Omal: you're welcome. My, we do have a lot of felines in
Russ: it's just the two.
Omal: that one up there is very loud. We did have one at
the top of the stairs.
Russ: he left.
Russ: he took off. Okay I have one more question to go.
Russ: all right? You mentioned that the mind and the
Internet are one in the same.
Omal: yes, in essence.
Russ: in essence. Okay, using that analogy, I'd like to go
ahead and pursue that just a little bit farther in the
example that let's say I have my webpage and nobody......and
we get lots of people who are reading it but there's a lot
of people who don't read it. Quite a majority of people who
don't read it and don't even hear about it. How is that even
though I'm putting it out there with my mind and getting it
out there in reality and pursuing it, other people are
reading it. Is this affecting those people who never read
about it or never hear about it?
Omal: indirectly they are affected.
Omal: by the people that read the Hades Base News will tell
their friends about what they have learned. For example, the how to
astral travel, that has been discussed, the how to
shield has been discussed. And from that, people have
discussed it and they have learned and they use
it and they tell their friends. Their friends may listen and
think "it's a joke, why do I need to do these things?" And
they may voice their opinions to other friends. And they may
listen and it is a slightly different take on what is said
and they learn something and they may go "hmmm, that is
useful." Or, "that is not useful or that is silly" but still
they learn. And they may tell their friends, and their
friends and so on. So the Hades Base News, even though it has
only been read so far by close to 540 individuals in it's
latest update, it has been passed on to far more, many
people. Okay now, one thing. Tia has brought to my attention
that it is now getting appropriate to do Internet
channelings again as you have a room.
Omal: a Monday night would be more suitable for us to be
able to monitor. A time would be after eight. It is
necessary to set this up at the appropriate time. Tia will
keep you advised and she will act as my relay.
Omal: also, preparations for the update for this page. The
editorials which I believe are being worked on by Mark, Tia
and Kiri, I would like to give them a topic.
Omal: which would be the development....no. How the past
interacts with the future. So interaction of the past with
the future should be the topic. I'm sure between the three
of them they can come up with something that will be both
interesting and educational.
Omal: any more questions?
Russ: no, I'm good. Thank you Omal.
Omal: you're welcome. Live long and prosper and I'll be
comes on to transition between speakers.)
Tia: and he will too.
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: (talks to the cat in Durondedunn.) Now what do you want
Russ: there we go.
Tia: is that what you wanted?
Russ: I'm being scarfed on. (Mosquitoes had got in through
an open door earlier.)
so you're the main course for tonight huh?
Russ: apparently so.
Tia: did they bring Worcestershire sauce or meat tenderizer?
Russ: they're getting their steak sauce.
Tia: uh-huh. Now according to my estimations, the tape
should be about ready to turn over.
Russ: pretty close here.
Tia: uh-huh, so we will have a brief moment of, a brief
interlude of chitchat whilst it prepares itself to be
Tia: any questions?
Russ: yeah, you working on the editorial then I take it?
Tia: I guess so, this is the first I've heard about it.
Russ: well you better hurry it up here girl, you've got
eight days to work on it.
Tia: uh-huh. Oh well, eight days huh?
Russ: well Karra and I could do it in eight minutes if we
had to but........
Tia: oh, we can do it in that time between the three of us.
Russ: I figured you could.
Tia: it's just a matter of getting Mark to sit down and do
it instead of doing a hundred and one different things.
(Arranges something in the background.) That's want I
wanted. As you can hear his voice, it's sounding a
little raw tonight. That's better, well maybe not.
Russ: that should be a little better.
Russ: okay, so one of the things I'm wondering about is how
the Internet is going to be affecting the stock market.
Wouldn't it have quite an affect on it compared to what it
would've been a few years ago?
Tia: uh-huh, because communication is instantaneous. I can
send or you can send a message as we discussed last
Tia: no the week before.......you can send a
message to whoever you like in the world. You click on send
and how long does it take for them to get it?
Russ: pretty quick.
Tia: uh-huh, a few seconds, maybe a
minute depending on how fast their cycle on server time is.
So by doing that, communication becomes instantaneous.
Russ: well communication has been kind of the keyword for
this whole last five years.
Russ: I mean most people don't know what they'd do
without e-mail. First it's replaced the telephone in many
ways or at least the post office.
Tia: some people, not most.
Tia: okay and the tape should be about ready to.
still has some time to go.
Tia: it's going slow, is that......
Russ: yep, basic tape.
Tia: hmm, that's very strange. Okay, catch you guys in a
Russ: bye Tia.
Ann: okay, bye Tia.
(Karra sits down to channel.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Russ: Karra this is Ann, Ann, that's my love of my life.
Karra: greetings Ann. I know it does look strange referring
to the host body. Okay, first of all let me answer
questions. Do you have any questions?
Ann: not right now.
Russ: yeah, working on the computer last night.
Russ: very strange set up, I had to work a while to get used
Karra: strange in what way?
Russ: I kept wanting to type my answers in, questions in.
Karra: you don't need to do that.
Russ: I know, that's what strange about it.
Karra: of course you don't have voice recognition on your
computers do you?
Russ: no, so I'm trying to type stuff in and going, "Well I
can't type stuff in so that won't work."
Karra: it's also a Sirian keyboard.
Russ: yeah I know, that was the other part that threw me
Karra: you expect me to have an English keyboard as I barely
Russ: and then the computer's interactive.
Russ: so it's working with me on the answers and it's like
it's trying to determine what point I'm asking the question
Russ: and I'm trying to formulate the question in a way that
it will understand.
Karra: it's quite simple.
Russ: well it didn't like the data I gave it, it
told me to reformat my question and ask it again.
Karra: you have to be precise and accurate. If you give it
too many variables, for example......
Russ: I didn't give it enough variables was the problem.
Karra: well, that's also a problem. If you sit down and say
"computer, I want information on digitalis." It would give
you all the information that you ever wanted to know and
some that you didn't want to know on digitalis. It will
give you its common name, its Latin name......
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra picks up
where she left off.)
Karra: .....chemical composition. It will give you the
history, the genetics, the biological background, it will be
Russ: thank you.
Karra: if on the other hand you ask a question, "I would
like to know the genus of digitalis and relevant information
to its effects on angina." It will tell you the background
that you requested and the effects of digitalis on angina.
Now if you go the other way and say that, "I'm requesting
information on digitalis, I need the genetic background and
interaction with heart palpitations and angina in connection
with the chemicals that are derivatives used in third
dimensional earth medicine on controlling heart problems."
Russ: you're going to have fun typing that up.
Karra: I apologize to our scribe.
Ann: you may have fun editing it.
Karra: but by asking that question, you have given it a very
narrow field and conflicting field as well. And the computer
will ask you for more information or say it's unable to
comply. So that will create a problem that the computer will
have in interacting with you. You have to ask specific
questions but they have to be worded in a way that is
understandable by the computer.
Russ: all right because when I tried to access it to ask it
about the relationship between the Internet and the brain.
Russ: it said something about cannot comply, not enough data
for answer. So I had to re.....
Karra: well you've given it........in actual fact you gave
it the opposite. It could have given you information
overload but the computer is, my computer is set up in such
a way that you have to ask specific questions. If you asked
Tia's computer which is actually the same one as mine, the
same mainframe but she has different specifications on her
terminal. I have mine focused very narrowly because of
medical word searches. For example, let us take glandular
fever....."I want information on glandular fever." It will
give you all your glands and all the relevant fevers and how
they interact and how each fever interacts with each gland
and particular illness. Guess what you get? You get about a
three hour dissertation, that's a waste of time. So let us
say I want information on......I'm trying to think of a good
gland that would give a good example but all the answers I
can think of would be too long-winded at this time and too
hard on the poor little fingers for typing. Okay, let us say
that I want.....
Karra: thyroid, I could give you a dissertation and a half
on that if you want, Tia's got a better analogy. Tia says
that I ask my computer for information on Bill Clinton from
January 1rst, '97 to January 7th, '97. My computer will ask
for more detail on what I'm looking for. My computer would
ask for specific topics or in actual fact it would say you
know, "unable to comply, too much information or too little
information." So you have to focus down on to a narrowed
field. Let us say I want information on Bill Clinton from
January 1rst, '97 to January 5th, '97 in connections with
speeches on foreign policy of Northern Ireland concerning
Sinn Fein. It will scan all his speeches of that period from
the first to the fifth. It will scan all the references in
his speeches of Northern Ireland. It would then scan looking
for Sinn Fein and it would give me the one speech that he
made concerning that. And Tia says that there weren't any
speeches made at that time about Sinn Fein. So by keying the
word searches and wording them in such a way cuts down on a
lot of time. Instead of sitting there and giving a
dissertation like you tend to do Russ, it will give the
computer something to mull over and it can give you a lot of
information. But on the other hand, if you say you want
information on Bill Clinton and Sinn Fein, again it could
give you too much information.
Russ: or I would override. Well as it turned out, we got
along quite famously after that.
Karra: uh-huh, it's a matter of learning that.
Russ: yeah, I just basically started wording it more toward
a specific topic of the brain or the Internet or the two.
Karra: you have to specify exactly what you want.
Russ: I need to take a break on this tape for a second, we
have a strange.....
(The tape restarts.)
Karra: I'm not really good at answering questions like that.
I try to do the best I can. Omal's much better. Okay, any
Russ: that's good for me. I mean it's basically we're
working on your computer I think would be the topic of that
particular session there. Anything you would like to add to
Russ: all right.
Karra: next time you call my computer a stupid
Russ: did I say that?
Russ: oh. It's probably just that point just after that
first question. Oh I did, didn't I? Yeah, I was a little
Karra: yes, my computer tells me everything.
Russ: well I mean it was a good learning experience for me
in the fact that it was the first time I've sat down and
actually worked with it.
Karra: yes a learning experience hmmm, don't have many of
those do we Russ?
Russ: well once a day, once a day.
Karra: oh, once a day only? Okay.
Russ: bye love.
returns to go over what Karra said.)
Omal: okay, let us address Karra's off the record answer to
do with the pathways in pre-destined events. (The part of
the tape that did not get recorded.) Certain events are
predestined but they occur and are planned in the period
between death and rebirth. That for example, you need to
learn how to interact with someone. A situation is set up
where it is necessary to struggle for the lesson to be
learned, to overcome that lesson. And if it is not overcome
in this life, then you have to do it all over again until
you do get it right. A good example of pre-destiny is a
entertainment called "Groundhog...."?
Russ: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: and life can be looked at like that. There are a lot
of little things that interact, little events that occur
that don't seem important and the majority of them
aren't. There are certain events that are predestined that
you plan in that waiting period that you cannot change and it
is a matter of learning to overcome the pain. For example I
believe in the entertainment there is an old gentleman that
the weather person that is going through the same day over
and over again tries to help, tries to stop him from dying.
What he has to learn is not that he can save this person but
the fact that it's necessary, that there are some things
that you cannot change. But these predestined events are
planned in such a way that they give you options for change.
For example, buying a new jacket, a nice leather jacket. The
option is to buy whichever color that they happen to have
there, let us say that they have a red, a white and a blue
one. You have four possibilities. You have a short jacket, a
knee length jacket or an ankle length jacket. So you have
nine different possibilities and options and key events are
have certain ways that you can handle the event. Let us say
that you are in a environment where you meet somebody and
you disagree with them, you have several different
ways to deal with the problem. For example, you can deal
with it by brushing it off. You can deal with it by
addressing the situation and discussing it rationally or
irrationally or ignoring it, arguing about it, getting
emotional, not getting emotional. Making the person
understand from your point of view, understanding from their
point of view. There are many different possibilities and
those events are designed on the path of life for you to
analyze and look at the options and select the correct
option that feels right, that causes the best effect for not
only yourself, but for the person involved. Okay, let us
look at Karra's computer comments.
Omal: we can go back over that at a later time and look at
the healing aspects but at this time it is mainly to do with
the computer on the base and the different terminals.
Russ: well what's funny is, none of the stuff that we got on
the tape is all the stuff that you just discussed that we
will put on the Internet. (The missing section of the
recording.) But nobody's going to understand where it came
from. But it was so good, I'd hate to not put it on there.
You described that quite well.
Omal: oh, the analogy?
Omal: yes, that is rather unfortunate how that happened.
Russ: well we'll figure something out.
Russ: we'll fake it.
Omal: well I'm sure Ann has a fairly good recollection of
what was discussed. Okay, I will hand back to our resident
ring mistress who should've gone before she sat down and in
the meantime, do you have any more questions?
Ann: not right now.
Russ: no, not right now.
to hand off to Kiri.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey okay, I'll put on the next person.
Russ: I'll bet.
Tia: I'll be back, hopefully.
(Kiri replaces a fast moving Tia.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: she go rushing off real quickly?
Kiri: yeah, like an express train.
Russ: I figured that. Kiri this is Ann, Ann this is the
Kiri: hello, greetings.
Russ: she's the one that says yo dude and dudettes.
Kiri: I do? Watch yourself dude. Okay......
Russ: what's up darling?
Kiri: I don't know.
Russ: you don't?
Kiri: according to Tia prediction's, the Dow, probably my
blood pressure, what else? Leah's anxiety,
that's about it really.
Russ: oh. I found a picture of Karra to put on the web.
Kiri: oh good, about time.
Russ: yeah, it took me a while to find it.
Kiri: uh-huh, which one is it?
Russ: it's the one on a Japanese manga one I found.
Kiri: oh, uh-huh.
Russ: very tough to track down.
Kiri: okay, let us address a topic near and dear to my
Russ: we haven't done coercion in a while.
Kiri: okay, coercion by design. Okay let us take a little
something. Okay you have a group of felines all sitting
around and there's one cute little feline....I was
listening. And you want that feline to come. The trick is to
make eye contact, eye to eye. You look into its eyes and it
looks into yours to make the appropriate thoughts and
actions friendly and open. Now you have to understand a
little bit of the mentality of the feline and the fact that
it doesn't trust anybody because its mother doesn't trust
anybody. It wants to, it's inquisitive, it will come up and
sniff you, it will overcome so you have to use an incentive
to achieve the goal. And by interacting in a positive mental
thought pattern, you can cause the feline to come. It may
not come all the way up because the anxiety is there within
the feline that it doesn't trust anybody except for its
mother. So it overrides the call from your mind to come to
you. The fear and the adrenaline takes over and it runs. Now
adrenaline, and dealing with adrenaline rushes, leading up
to this is something that can be harmful both to the coercer
and the coercee. Okay now, coercion has to be done carefully
as I've stated frequently in the past. What transpires is
that you are giving commands to the person that has to
override their thoughts and their behaviors. Now it has to
be done subtly but let us say that you coerce a little
heavy-handed and the person is totally within your control,
they have no free will and you have them like a puppet on
the string. And a situation occurs that causes you to fear
for their safety or your own safety. Let us say you're
coercing somebody to get somewhere in a hurry and you're
sitting in the passenger seat and you've got them doing the
foot to the metal routine. And they're going as fast as they
can through through traffic and all of a sudden the light
turns red and they almost smash into the back of a vehicle.
You have adrenaline overload because the situation that you
put yourself in by coercing them has endangered your life
and their life. You lose control of their mind and suddenly
they have free will of their own and they suffer from fear
going "oh my God, what happened? Why was I driving so fast,
I almost killed us?" And they do the whole entire guilt trip
but because you were coercing them and you know what they're
probably thinking, if flashes back on you even worse. So
when you coerce and you coerce in a way that endangers,
you're opening yourself up to all sorts of harmful
possibilities to do with adrenaline overload and all the
harmful effects that adrenaline overloads can do. The thing
about adrenaline is that it sits around in the body for
months on end, you never need it and all of a sudden you
need it and it's old and it's stale and it tastes funny and
it makes you feel sick. Don't like adrenaline overloads.
Now, if you put somebody in a situation and you're coercing
them and you're not concerned about their safety and you've
got no report with them and they suffer with an adrenaline
overload without you going through the adrenaline overload
that you haven't put yourself in the situation, you've put
them in the situation but you've got nothing to do with it
except for your coercing. That sounds a little convoluted
and complicated doesn't it?
Russ: I wouldn't type it.
Kiri: but anyway, putting the person in the situation where
the adrenaline overload occurs for them only, it doesn't because
an adrenaline overload will sever the connection. Now
depending on how tight the connection is, depends on how
well you're controlling the person. Now the break in the
connection with an adrenaline overload means that 50% of
their adrenaline goes flying into your body triggering your
own adrenaline which makes the fact that instead of having a
hundred percent adrenaline that is being released, you're
having a 150% adrenaline. So, what's the moral of this
little dissertation? Well it's don't put somebody in an
adrenaline overload situation that could happen, it's not
good. Unfortunately sometimes you have to. You have to
coerce somebody that is very well suited to do something, a
particular task that they don't want to do but it's for the
benefit of themselves and other people and yourselves. Okay,
Russ: I have one that is unrelated to that, well it's
related but in a different field, it's a healing question.
Russ: I'm not sure if you can answer it.
Kiri: but first of all Ann, do you have a question?
Ann: not right now thank you.
Russ: yeah, she shook her head no so that's why I was
Kiri: sorry, I was more concerned with getting liquid down
Mark's throat as it sounds like he's been gargling with
Russ: the adrenaline overload caused by the stale
Russ: is it a little bit healthier then to release that
adrenaline in some safe format than letting it just build up
Kiri: it's always useful to use adrenaline. After all,
sitting around in the body for months on end festering isn't
good is it?
Ann: how can you use it?
Russ: yeah that's what I'm saying. Because I'm......
Kiri: oh how can you use it?
Russ: in working two jobs right now, I'm not really using a
lot of adrenaline.
Kiri: you think so?
Russ: not a lot that I can think of.
Kiri: adrenaline comes in many, many different forms and can
be released in many, many different ways. Being a coercer
and having to learn about adrenaline overloads, you learn a
little bit about the biology of adrenaline.
Kiri: it can come in the excitement of a new project. You're
building a new program or a new computer for somebody that
you've never built before. You're little apprehensive and a
little nervous but there again you're also looking forward
to it correct?
Kiri: adrenaline's being released just little bit, a little
at a time to keep the excitement there. Also, looking
forward to doing something for the first time or doing
something that you like to do......could take my favorite
past time but but no, that would be too long-winded. (Ann
chuckles.) The release of adrenaline comes in many different
ways. It can be released in the anticipation of something,
waiting for something, something suddenly happening. It can
even be released through laughter. Laughing uproariously
will trigger adrenaline to be released and adrenaline causes
the heart to beat faster. So you see, adrenaline can be
released in many, many different ways.
Russ: I see. So you could set up some daily thing that you
could do that would release a lot of it at once or just
those little things all day will release the same amount
Kiri: it's better to be little bits at a time because
supposing you need a big adrenaline rush?
Russ: it won't be there.
Kiri: exactly, it's been all used up but if you use a little
bit here a little bit there, it's constantly replacing
itself and refreshing itself. Has anybody ever had an
experience of a sudden adrenaline rush followed by another
adrenaline rush followed by another adrenaline rush?
Russ: oh yeah, all the time when I used to fish, it happened
Kiri: and what happened towards the end?
Russ: well you get pretty tired.
Kiri: uh-huh and there is no more adrenaline left and
therefore your reactions which are supposed to be heightened
and sharpened by adrenaline are slowed down because there
isn't any adrenaline.
Kiri: so to release it all at once is only a if you need to
but a little at a time is the best way. And it doesn't have
to be a daily thing. The joke about it sitting around and
festering in your body is a joke, it's there for a reason
and it is used to sitting around. Over thousands of years it
has evolved in a way that it will survive not be used for
months on end.
Russ: oh I see. Well thank you Kiri, that's a good way to
answer that question.
Ann: yeah, I agree.
Kiri: any questions?
Russ: I'm trying to think of something in the coercion
department. Now, when you're working with someone in
Russ: let's say the cat there which we started off on as far
as the adrenaline overload in a cat.
Russ: okay you're in essence of working through the
adrenaline of that cat to get it to do what you'd like it to
Russ: oh there's a kitten.
(Kiri then goes about proceeding to coerce the wild kitten.)
Kiri: now she wouldn't have come into the room unless she
was called. She's now sitting quite happily and comfortably.
Do you want me to get her to come closer?
(Kiri then tries to get the kitten to come closer.)
Kiri: no, she's having a real anxiety attack.
Russ: she's found her limit.
Russ: and she won't go beyond that limit because anything
beyond that limit would push her adrenaline and her fear up
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh and it would scare the living daylights
out of the cat and there could be the opportunity of flash
over to me.
Kiri: which in this situation would flash through me back
into Mark's body. So I have not only the added
responsibility of being responsible for the feline's
adrenaline state, but also my own and Mark's.
Russ: hmm, a lot to be aware of and be responsible for.
Kiri: so it is a big responsibility.
Russ: well she likes the company .
Russ: I think.
Russ: and the human contact which her mom doesn't........
it's not real loving, but at the same time she's real scared
Russ: but as you remember we had all three cats, Gandalf,
Kiri: uh-huh, see she's gone now.
Kiri: you know I started calling her vocally.
Kiri: doing the cat thing and lost the coercive link. She's
just outside. She'll come back in but it will give her the
feeling of welcome now, that she will do it more, that she
will come in and hopefully it will set things in motion that
will give the feline the opportunity to interact more and
get more affection in return. When editing this, you might
want to put in what transpired.
Kiri: the feline........
Russ: the wild kitty comes closer kind of thing.
Kiri: uh-huh yeah. Should be an easy recollection thing.
Russ: yeah. Long blank spot on the tape.
Kiri: yeah. Long blank spot is coercion of a feline. But
there are certain rules that are necessary to obey in
connection with coercion. Not endangering somebody, only for
positive, never for self-gratification, never for
self-advancement however, there are certain little clauses.
For example, personal advancement. Let us say, and I do love
this analogy, that you're going for a job and you have two
children and you need that job and you go there and you're
dressed up as best as you can and you really want the job.
Is it right or wrong to coerce the person into giving you
the job or considering you more over somebody else? Is it
right or wrong?
Ann: if you have the right qualifications and stuff for the
job it would be right.
Kiri: qualifications are irrelevant.
Kiri: from a moral standpoint.
Ann: if you're going to be able to get the job with....
Kiri: I see where you're coming.
Kiri: yeah. You are correct in saying that it is the right
thing to do. The way that I would answer it is that yes it
is right because you need the job to take care of your
children. So you're not doing it for yourself even though
you are benefiting initially by getting the job, your
children are benefiting. And of course you'd want to do the
best job that you can so that you can advance within the
company and continue working at that job.
Kiri: so your answer is yes correct and my answer is correct
and it's actually putting those two answers together would
be the correct answer.
Russ: (closes door) getting a little cold in here.
Kiri: oh, so I can't give any more demonstrations?
Russ: no, well we had the main demonstration which is all we
Kiri: uh-huh. I do like to show off my coercion from time to
time. Any questions? Okay, what do I do? I'm an engineer as
you probably read in the bios and I also do coercion as you
Kiri: those are my fields of expertise. I also do cartwheels
from time to time, don't I Russ?
Russ: oh yeah hey by the way, question for you. How did the
meeting go between Alex (Kiri and Mark's son.) and my two
guys? (David and Michael, my two twin sons on the base.)
Russ: didn't really hit it off?
Kiri: no, they wanted interact with him and he just shut
Russ: oh, what a shame.
Kiri: he'll get over it hopefully. I hope.
Russ: maybe it's just that phase.
Kiri: I've got an idea, let's get the razor blade and shave
half of his mustache off. (Mark's mustache.)
Russ: let's not and say we did.
Kiri: or what we could do is shave off half........
Russ: and better yet, let's not and you go up and you tell
him that's what we did and have to wait for another what, 14
hours to find out that we didn't?
Kiri: no, that wouldn't be fair. I say we shave off this
one, this side here and then shave half his head here.
Russ: he wouldn't believe you anyway.
Kiri: no. Now if we shaved it off.........Tia says no
because it's a Celtic thing.
Kiri: uh-huh, pity.
Russ: oh well.
Kiri: we could pluck it though.
Russ: let me see how much time we've got.
Russ: still some.......plenty of time left.
Kiri: okay, any more questions?
Ann: nothing I can think of.
Kiri: okay we're getting down to getting back to Tia sitting
down and giving a dissertation or Omal giving a
dissertation, another one.
(Chuckles all around.)
Kiri: and Omal does give dissertations.
Russ: well we do need to fill up more of the tape anyway so
Kiri: uh-huh. Let me see, can I think of anything else to
add. Okay, Sirian joke........okay, let me see, I've got
lots of them. Any that you guys would.......that aren't mind
jokes. Two girls out backpacking, one finds a pile of snow
and decides to use her backpack as a sled to slide down and
the other one says, "we did but we didn't." That's a mind
joke isn't it?
Russ: another mind joke yeah, nice try though. Yeah you just
have to be more highly evolved I guess to get this stuff.
Kiri: okay......hmmm, that doesn't translate that well
actually. Oh well nevermind, it loses something seriously in
the translation. It doesn't sound right in English....oh
Russ: all right darling. Have a lovely night, we'll see you
Kiri: yes, see you later dude, dudette.
Kiri: I'm out of here, I'm off like a wet sock.
(Omal finishes up from where Kiri left off.)
Omal: okay, now we have the rambunctious one out of the way,
let us address Kiri's coercion. That is a mouthful is it
Russ: that is a mouthful.
Omal: okay, now Kiri talking about her responsibilities as a
coercer, the calling of a feline. Yes it is a good example.
The fact that it is a young, nervous feline is a good
example of fine control and Kiri stating her awareness of
the potential for harm is something that is important and
necessary to be aware of in coercion. However Kiri did skip
over certain points that are necessary. When coercing, it is
necessary to be aware of the person but also aware of your
environment. Most coercion that is done is simple thought
out coercion. "I want you to do this, come here, go there,
sit, stand." There is very little chance of harm coming in
these situations. To take an analogy that Kiri has used a
few times, you are at a rock concert and the person in front
of you keeps on getting in your way. You coerce them to move
to somewhere else or to sit down or if they are being vocal,
coerce them to be quiet. There is nothing wrong in this.
This is for your enjoyment and entertainment. It is not for
there must be a line drawn there. It is something that you
have wanted to attend, the rock concert, the play, the
musical, whatever. The person in front of you is
inconveniencing you and they are not being considerate. They
are not thinking about other people around them. So to
coerce them is quite acceptable because it is no longer a
point of right or wrong but of consideration and morals. Is
it morally correct to talk or to get in somebody's way that
is at a place for their entertainment? You are there also to
enjoy so by getting in their way, or somebody getting in
your way, they are taking away from your enjoyment and they
are not being aware of other people. So morally, it is quite
acceptable to coerce somebody to move out of the way, to do
something that is an inconvenience. However, is quite easy
to cross over into gray and black areas of coercion at this
if you want somebody to move out of the way and go somewhere
else and annoy somebody else, they will. So that you have
changed their karmic path from annoying you to annoying
somebody else that was not in the equation before. So it is
better to coerce the person to sit down instead of going
you have to be aware of how a small action can cause a
bigger action. It is like the proverbial little chunk of
snow down a slope. You drop the piece of snow and it starts
to roll and it picks up momentum and more snow and so on
until you have an avalanche on your hands. And it is the
same with coercion and the karmic pathway. You can use
coercion to change somebody's karmic path for a possible
better outcome. There are other uses of coercion. Any
questions at this point?
Russ: yeah, it's much simpler in sixth dimension to
determine the uses of coercion than in the third I assume?
Omal: yes, it is.
Omal: oh, okay.
Russ: well I mean it's just......I know it's self-evident
but but it's just you're able to look at past lives......
Omal: okay, yes it is self-evident. It is better than
saying, "yes"and raising my hands and saying
(unintelligible) or an extra question. Let me explain
more detail. As you stated, yes past lives are in play. You
are aware of your past lives and your past life interaction
with the individual. Also, as Tia is fond of talking about,
morals. That the moral understanding is more aware instead
of black and white. This is wrong, that is wrong, maybe
that's right, maybe that's wrong. With the moral equation
added in to the coercion and the past life experience added
in, then coercion is very cut and dried on, is it
appropriate? No. Is it appropriate in this situation? Yes
and you know why. For example, Kiri coercing the feline, and
we end up back there. The feline was sitting outside in a cool
environment. It wanted attention and warmth. By Kiri pulling
it into the room, it starts to overcome the fear of people
and other interactions. Now if Kiri had been very clever
about it, she would've had the feline come close but stay
out of arm reach and be warm. Sit in a blanket, sit in a
place where it can watch and be comfortable. To be able to
go through the thought processes necessary for that feline
to overcome its fear of people instead of it not
comprehending why the compulsion was for it to come into the
room. In Kiri's case it was a demonstration of coercion,
plain and simple on how coercion works and interacts. The
moral issue was not addressed, even though I'm sure that
Kiri considered the morals. The karmic issue was not
addressed because there is no karmic issue to look at
between Kiri and the feline. The feline was there just pure
and simply by chance as a tool. But taking the moral issue,
Kiri did the right thing. Not the way that I would've done
it but it was addressed. Any questions at this time?
Russ: yeah, as we get more in tune with our consciousness
and our superego, that will enter more into play and we'll then have a greater
step towards that understanding I assume?
Omal: correct and the reason being that with the vibrational
changes, the necessary interaction of the subconscious and
superego comes into play and no longer becomes subconscious.
It becomes back to the computer analogies, sub routines
necessary for survival.
Russ: excellent good, thank you, that ties it all
Omal: thank you. Any more questions?
Omal: okay, I will put Tia back on and allow her to finish
up the tape as we have approximately 5 minutes of tape time.
Is that correct Russ?
Russ: yes thereabouts.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Ann: thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and see you next week. I'll be
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, he does that so much better on the second time
Russ: he did do it much better the second time.
Tia: uh-huh. Next we'll have him walking around going, "I
want the Uzi 9 mm with laser sights or 'hasta la vista baby'."
Russ: oh by the way, you've seen "Groundhog Day" right?
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