Archivist Notes: February is a time of myths and
magic. From groundhogs to Cupid, to the Rams winning
the Super Bowl, with this channeling session you get
the impression it's because every day we live and
everywhere we go we're surrounded by both. We get
the world we see handled by Tia, the unseen world
explained by Omal on side one with the magic that
healing and coercion were once thought to be covered
by Karra and Kiri on side two. With Tia, it's all
about the secret government, all those civil
servants below the cabinet secretaries in
governments working behind the scenes to keep the
railroads on time as they say. With Omal it's a
thousand years into the future we go to discover
where we and all we have done are just a myth. We're
left wondering after that over the unasked question
of if something as simple as a webpage or a
channeled conversation could become one more myth or
legend in some far off future. With Karra, it's all
about the ways to heal naturally which is magic to
ancient civilizations but is beginning to gain a
foothold in society today. Kiri teaches another
course on coercion which has also seemed like some
magical ability in both olden times and new. What it
really points out is the futility of the small
little irritations that affect a person's happiness
when stacked up against the immensity of time.
Speaking of time, we have to get even more into the
96 hours of channeling a day taking place at the end
of this summary.
Mark has a slight cold prior
to leaving his body which is one of the things Tia
brings up immediately. From there we get serious as
stock markets and the government are the main topics
of conversation. Firstly the stock market gets her
expert take on the results post-election before
moving on to the mechanisms behind the turning
wheels of society, the secret government. The scores
of civil servants carrying out the wishes of those
above them while possibly pulling their own strings
at times. Along with that was the stocks market
swings and how they could be a product artificial
stimulation where changes could be planned in
advance. Her main concern was things getting out of
control economically with a crash the end result.
Tia gets up after that to let Omal take her place
and he gets right into answering questions about the
time of myths and legends. He's so on the mark with
his reminder that it would be a mistake to think we
are no longer living in a time of myths and legends.
How can you look so far into the future that what we
take as a major event now someday may only be a
story remembered like Atlantis. Related to this
subject are devas of whom myths and legends abound.
That is what he addresses next as we with the
various gods and goddesses throughout history who we
know only from beliefs in the unseen and unknown.
The elemental kingdom is an incomprehensible one but
Omal brings it into context by providing a logical
explanation for it along with how devas are born. We
get to the end of the side with Omal giving us a
lesson on thunderstorms that would surprise a lot of
people as it did us. He ties it all together at the
end by connecting the devas and storms in another
his excellent dissertations.
Omal has stepped out of the
channeling field as side two gets started so Tia
ushers in Karra to work with us on a question
concerning healing. The question was how to
determine the best course to take when deciding how
to heal someone. Her entire time speaking focuses on
that answer and to provide it she demonstrates how
asking a number of question and listening to the
answers or lack of answers is the key. With the help
of our guest joining the session, she is able to get
from him all the tools needed to provide a quick
solution to him from what he said. As for my
observation and analysis, it was a point of missing
all the clues given which provided a separate lesson
to be learned from her time channeling. That
question's answer was all we had time for as Kiri
takes her sister's place to go over her field of
expertise, coercion. Unfortunately this is also the
point on the tape where interference on the tape
degrades the sound quality for short periods to add
a buzz that had been lacking with the previous
speakers. With all the work we had been doing with
her in practicing what ability, an increase had been
been seen in all of our skill levels thanks to her
instruction. Now it was a case of getting the skill
more developed for what would be faced in future
coercive exchanges between others here on the third
dimension. As we get to the end of the tape, a
simple question about the channeling they do on the
base leads to the revelation that channeling to
groups like ours is almost a constant operation with
fours rooms set up for channeling taking place for a
combined total of 98 hours a day. That amazing
statistic gave us a far better idea of the lengths
the base goes through other than just our protection
to help us in our goal of consciousness growth on a
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(Tia begins the channeling
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hello. We're online, weíre live, center stage?
Russ: not quite but weíre getting there.
Tia: what do you mean not quite?
John: yeah, weíre online.
Russ: really? Okay, bonus.
Tia: bonus, whatís bonus mean? It means extra right?
John: extra, yeah.
Tia: oh okay.
John: yeah if thereís a bonus it means thereís
Tia: uh-huh okay. Well, here we are once again
gathered together with Mark having a slight cold in
the nose, where should we start? What do you want to
John: stock market.
Tia: stock market. Well it went up 34 points today
after having gone down in the past two weeks
approximately 250 points.
Russ: so it's starting to rebound.
Tia: not necessarily, not necessarily.
John: itís a slight increase after a big decline
Tia: no itís not increase, itís a recovery.
Tia: an increase suggests that it made back the 250
points that is lost and then added 34 more which is
not the case.
John: okay yeah, yeah.
Tia: so, what can we draw from this little bit of
information that it has lost close to 220 points?
Russ: itís a steep decline instead of a sharp drop?
Tia: uh-huh so thatís why weíre using the formula
Russ: so how many points are we now at?
Tia: weíre at 28 I believe. Any time itís over 25
points or under its a half a point. What we can
conduce from this current decline is that things are
happening not exactly as we predicted which is good.
I donít like being right all the time, in fact I
donít like being right on these matters at all half
the time but, the fact remains that there is a
decline. Now after the boom of the first week and a
half of the reelection of the president things
looked real rosy and good. It climbed basically 300
points in that first week and half. Now, it is doing
a course correction and has dropped 220 points which
means that we have 80 more points to drop before
itís back to what it was prior to the election.
John: now didn't Greenspanís announcement make a
difference in this?
Tia: oh yes it did, it did most certainly and it
shows how tenuous the stock market really is. The
fact that your U.S. stock market reacted to
somebodyís words in such a negative and violent way
of 158 points is of much concern to me. NowÖ..
John: yeah but I mean thatís nothing thatís new, I
mean youíre not talking about anything thatís new, I
mean this has been going on for a long time on this
Tia: yeah but somebody that is supposed to be
financially astute and goes along and says something
like that knowing full well of the ramifications
shows that he is not the ideal person to keep A,
keep his mouth shut and B, to be in charge of the
Federal Reserve due to the fact that he canít keep
his mouth shut. And the possibility percolates
through the market that maybe heís not the most
competent person to be in charge of the federal
John: yeah but I donít make the decision, we have
nothing to do with that.
Tia: no but what Iím saying is, that these things
happen for a reason and the reason is that people in
the stock market are becoming aware of the fact that
these people that are in charge arenít in charge.
When theyíre given that little bit of freedom by
their masters, they tend to make silly comments and
rash mistakes and the question is who is in charge?
And the stock market at the moment is wondering who
is really in charge of the Federal Reserve.
Tia: he is a figurehead as weíve covered before
about the secret governments, they are the people
really in charge. Heís not in charge, he is the
figurehead. It is like who is in charge of Heavenly?
John: Mark Crocker.
Tia: yes probably he is really but....or who is in
charge of Great Britain?
John: who is?
Tia: who is the leader of Great Britain?
John: well it's supposed to be the Prime MinisterÖ.
John: I donít even know the guyís name.
Russ: John Major.
John: John Major?
Tia: but the actual person who is in charge of the
government regardless of whether it is John Major or
whatís his name Blair is Queen Elizabeth. But sheís
not, she is a figurehead, she is in charge of
nothing, she does what the government tells her to
do. Who is in charge of the Japanese country?
Russ: the Prime Minister is supposed to be.
Tia: thatís right but the Emperor itís his
government you see? Now the thing here is who is in
charge of your government?
John: well itís definitely not Clinton.
Tia: exactly, so anybody in his cabinet right? Is
therefore a figurehead. So anybody in charge of any
department such as the Federal Reserve is basically
a figurehead. As we have stated before in the past,
the people that actually run the government are the
people that are civil servants that have worked
there their whole entire life. They are the ones
that serve their masters as they call them but they
are not their masters, they are the masters of the
masters even though they're the servants of the
masters. So you see what Iím saying? So these
servants give their masters a little bit of leeway
to have a little bit of free will and they go along
and say something along the lines of what I said and
in turn what happens is that these individuals say
these things and confidence is lost in them, their
government and their political setup and the market
does a runner. Now the question I have, and maybe I
can extrapolate from this is, what if Greenspan read
from his speech what was prepared for him to say and
those in the government that are the servants of
their masters deliberately set him up to say these
things so that they could make a quick profit on
what was said?
John: yeah, I imagine thatís possible but that's
speculation at best.
Tia: Iíd say thatís quite likely, think about it
right? Certain stocks are going great guns, you
cause a panic right? And they sell off approximately
200 points. Now, you get out your money and you've
been a civil servant and youíre in your let's say
40's and 50's right? And youíre thinking about
retirement. What do you do? You get your master to
say something thatís going to depress the price of
the market, the market takes a nosedive, at a
particular point you invest, put in all your life
savings as it were and then you set your master up
to say something thatís going to really get the
market roller coastering upwards or sky rocketing
Russ: arenít you kind of using master in a
Tia: yes I am, Iím glad you spotted that. You see,
they are supposedly the guys in charge but theyíre
not. In this connotation, the term master, Iím using
it more as a puppet, a figurehead. You see these
political, civil servants use their masters, they
use them very well and very effectively. So you see,
theyíre not really in charge so ergo it doesnít
matter who is in charge. In fact it wouldíve been
less beneficial if Dole had been elected. Now here's
something that you guys might not be aware of.
Today, no yesterday was the day that the electrical
colleges voted. The election was not decided on
November the fifth, the popular votes were cast but
not the electoral colleges. Now supposing the
electoral colleges decided to vote for Bob Dole, who
would be president?
Russ: you mean after the fact they can reverse it?
John: excuse me, I saw Dole on the talk show last
night and he is not the man to be the figurehead of
Tia: no exactly, that is the reason why is because
he would not be, heís a leader, heís a doer.
John: yeah but heís not in good shape.
Tia: when he is talking, he has a hard time because
he's very self-conscious of his disability so he
comes off as somebody that is not very astute
politically but au contraire.
John: how would someone that has a hard time dealing
with a large amount of people be the leader of 300
million Americans? I mean you know what I mean? Itís
kind of dickery.
Tia: well he doesnít see all 300 million of you, he
does not have to deal with no more than maybe a
thousand people at a time. That he struggles with
but he could carry it off. When he's at a large
rally or at a meeting where there is maybe 20,
30,000 people, the sheer numbers intimidate him. How
would you handle being on stage in front of 30,000
people? Either of you.
Russ: well if I knew I was doing it and was prepared
I could do it only I couldn't wing it thatís for
John: yeah, thatís something you'd want to be
Russ: he's got handlers to prepare for every one of
Tia: yeah but it still doesnít overcome the biggest
fear of people on your planet is speaking in front
of large numbers. That doesnít overcome it. You can
be prepared, you can sit down and go through your
speech over and over again but you cannot still be
prepared to deal with 30,000 people or 20,000 or
Russ: well the debates were really good, crucial in
that respect, Clinton just looked so much better.
Tia: well the camera spent so much time on him
anyway. And the questionsÖ.
John: but at any rate, I mean this discussion's moot
because President Clinton is leader of this country,
Dole is nothing right now.
Tia: uh-huh, heís a private citizen.
John: yeah he's going to write a book, heís a
private citizen, he doesnít have anything to do with
our government right now.
Tia: donít underestimate that, he may be out of the
government but somebody that had that much power is
never outside the government if you know what I
John: okay yeah.
Tia: so, what can we deduce without prodding you too
much about the current economic situation?
Russ: itís artificially being stimulated.
Tia: uh-huh, and also itís teetering. Which way is
it going to go? I donít know, I canít say which way
itís going to go. Everything points to another
John: yeah, yeah, that's what I would guess that
itís going to go up before it goes down again.
Tia: uh-huh. But hereís the problem, if it climbs
up, it has been artificially inflated again. You
remember before the election we talked about it
being artificially stimulated?
Tia: this is a prime example.
Russ: well isnítÖ..how controlled is the stock
Tia: very controlled.
Russ: so how can we see the huge decline that you're
predicting? I mean that would suggest a complete
lack of control.
Tia: breakdown, that would suggest a complete
breakdown in the control system.
Russ: I donít see it happening but Iím sure as you
say it will.
Tia: put it this way, you put your hands around
somebodyís neck, you tighten right? They are in your
control. As long as you keep the grip just tight
enough to stop them from being strangled. Now if you
relax your fingers, whatís going to happen?
John: theyíre going to start breathing again.
Tia: well theyíre going to struggle as well to get
away from you.
Tia: if you increase the tightness, what happens?
Russ: you strangle them.
Tia: strangle them and they will struggle for the
life. So from this little analogy, right? The
handlers and the servants are doing this to the
market and their masters. Allís they need to do is
relax just for a day or two days or increase their
grip for one or two days and all hell will break
loose for those two days which will mean that the
market will be totally out of their control and in
doing so, things will happen. Now looking outside
your country, Japan. The Nikkei average has dropped
close to about 300 points in the last month. The
Financial Times Index has dropped close to 200
points in the past three weeks. The German stock
market has dropped about 150. Remember what I said
when we started looking at the market back in the
Russ: uh-huh, down I would say.
Tia: uh-huh and youíre at the end of the line. Now
is the time to watch the other stock markets around
John: so we should keep an eye on the other stock
Tia: okay, the three main ones are the Financial Times Index,
the Nikkei average and the German stock market, I
donít know what that one is called. You can pick up
other ones like maybe the French stock market, the
Australian and maybe letís say......thereís nowhere
really elseÖ..the Russian stock market. The Russian
stock market is a very interesting phenomena because
itís new. That stock market will take some wild ups
and downs and mean absolutely nothing except for
real wild downs. Okay, letís move along. Okay as Iím
ring mistress, this is the way weíre going to do it
tonight. Okay we'll do side one for Johnny with
Johnny being here okay? And then Johnny will get
ready for work and everything and then weíll do side
two and weíll do Kiri and mineís translations. Howís
that sound Russ?
Russ: sounds fine.
John: sounds good.
John: bless you.
Tia: I'll say.
John: or bless Markís body or whatever.
Tia: yes itísÖÖ
(she takes a drink of something)
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal takes the place of our
resident ring mistress)
Omal: okay, greetings and felicitations, let us
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings. Okay, let us look at the questions
that you have.
Russ: okay, question on mythology.
Russ: back in our elder days when mythology and the
telling of stories was important for teaching and
passing on of lessons....
Russ: we've kind of gotten out of that tradition now
to where we rely more upon television and news
reports to get our stories and lessons from.
Russ: and with that loss we kind of lost our
spiritual mysticism letís say.
Omal: yes and no but continue.
Russ: okay. What Iím wondering now is, are we
returning to that original point then, we're coming
Omal: that is why I say yes and no.
Omal: let us look at a major historical event. Okay,
how do you know that the battle of Gallipoli really
Russ: from the people who were there.
Omal: uh-huh. Let us move forward in time a hundred
Omal: okay, this is 2096, how do you know that
Gallipoli really happened?
Russ: same way, from books written by people who
Omal: okay, let us move a thousand years into the
future, this is 2996. How do you know Gallipoli
Russ: it might be some historical major event in our
life for all they know.
Omal: no, that is not answering the question.
Omal: how do you know that it happened?
Russ: I wouldn't, I canít think of what it will be
like in a thousand years.
Omal: okay now let us look back close to 3,000
years. How do you know the siege of Troy really
Russ: stories from Plato and the fact that we found
the ruins of it.
Omal: uh-huh, are you sure that those are the ruins?
Russ: according to Schliemann
Omal: according to one person. Okay let us move
forward in time a thousand years again.
Omal: how do you know that the battle of Gallipoli
Russ: well stories and hopefullyÖ
John: I donít know, you donít know for sure that it
really happened if you werenít actually there. At
the time of it, I mean youíve got to look to your
history books and we assume this information is
Russ: well there is one other way but itís not
something I think will be used but could be would be
a better study of past lives.
Russ: in other words from past lives who were
actually there, know the names they could say, ďoh
yeah, well this Gallipoli and this is whatís going
Russ: like for example people on Hades Base could
tell you about a battle on Sirius because theyíre
able to go backÖ..
Omal: and access their past lives.
Russ: and access past lives of that battle that were
actually there and have eyewitness accounts is the
only way can think of it.
Omal: okay so, youíve take a mythological event like
the siege of Troy and you compare it to the battle
of Gallipoli, what do you come up with? One is a
myth and one is fact. A thousand years into the
future, both are myths but you know now that one was
fact most certainly by individuals that are still
alive in your time.
Omal: so, what does that imply about myths and
Russ: that they basically are always going to be
there but also they teach history.
Omal: correct. The story of the siege of Troy is a
history lesson, a memory of a memory of a memory.
The battle of Gallipoli is a memory.
Russ: alright, did the siege of Troy actually
Omal: that is besides the point.
Omal: the point is that you are living in a time of
myths and legends and stories due to the fact that
what is happening now, in a thousand yearsí time may
be a story, a myth or a legend. So do not say that
you have moved out of the time of myths and legends.
The fact that you have this communication device is
besides the point, you are enhancing and spreading
storytelling on a much wider scale then you could
ever do from the Bard sitting in the market square
telling a story of two lovers that decided to die
because they could not marry. The storyteller that
sits in the marketplace now sits in the corner of
the room and can talk to you from any place on your
planet or off your planet. So, what has happened to
Russ: he has evolved just as we are.
Omal: he is evolved into a mass of electronical
Russ: but if we lose that?
Omal: how can you lose it?
Russ: well let's say we donít have electricity okay?
Russ: then we have no access to that electronic
storyteller. Then we go back to just bare brains
what we remember from our stories that were to us
Omal: correct. So the storyteller has taken on more
than one form, more than the gentleman sitting in
the marketplace telling stories. You and you are
both the storytellers, the storytellers of your
Omal: you have a question.
John: yeah, I was just thinking about the devasÖ.
John: the whole concept just fascinates me. But Iím
not sure what I want to ask, Russ you got something?
Want me to go?
Russ: go ahead if you want to continue that line of
thought help yourself otherwise Iíll enhance on it
if you want.
John: go ahead.
Russ: okay, on the story of devas okay?
Russ: I'm doing some research into some of the
various entities who have existed throughout our
lives as myths and storytellingís of the gods and
goddesses and various deities and the different
sects and religions.
Russ: and obviously through each basic civilization
or community you find similarities between all of
Russ: as they go along. But is this merely because
of the fact that they represent a common theme or
the fact that the devas take on the characteristics
of each of the various places that they visit and
pass those on?
Omal: it is more along the lines of the devas using
existing stories, myths and legends to achieve what
Omal: if you look at some of your stories, there are
talks of appeasing the gods.
Omal: so the devas behave in a particular way to get
what they want whether it is an area that nobody
goes into that is their domain. For example the top
of Mount Olympus, an area where they can live in
peace and harmony and away from outside influences.
Or if it is being brought gifts and having things
planted and grown to appease them. Or a building
built so they may dwell for a time in that place in
a happy, relaxed state.
Russ: hmm, now the Indian or Hindu religion.....
Russ: has probably some of the most colorful deities
or devas on the planet as far as their breadth of
fullness that had been developed among them and from
that Iím reminded of the ancient stories of UFOs and
aliens encounters in India way back before written
history ever began. Iím wondering how close these
two are related?
Omal: yes they are quite related. You have to
remember that the devas were one of the seven races.
(the races who came during the colonization of
Atlantis from Sirius)
Omal: and the intereaction or interaction between
the devas and the people of that area is something
that has been going on for a long, long time.
Russ: now are the devas of India basically confined
to that area orÖ..
Russ: or they're worldwide?
Omal: theyíre worldwide. Some may inhabit an area
for a thousand years or two thousand years because
they are comfortable there. Others may wander around
from place to place and cannot be held in one place
for any length of time. Others may go as the wind
Russ: all right well how would youÖÖI mean excuse
me, how would weÖÖ..
Omal: thank you.
Russ: my pleasure.....go about determining which
devas happen to be hanging around in our area?
Indian devas or Greek or Nordic let's say for
Omal: it depends on the individual. Some people can
call devas, others feel their presence. It isÖ..one
deva can have many aspects. There is a group of
devas that for example are descended from one deva
from the bacterial process in the way that devas
spread and continue, the fact that they split in
Omal: so that a deva may have many parts to it and
be many different individuals but it remembers that
it was one once.
Russ: hmmm okay, this reminds me of a time where I
ran a ceremony solo in which I was summoning a
particular beneficial entity and a big noise banged
on my window all of a sudden with nothing outside to
show any physical presence.
Russ: scared the living %^$&y*out of me. But I
mean this is something that we talked about last
week, devas taking on a more physical form, would
this be a sample of that?
Omal: you have to remember that they inhabit an area
between your world and another space and they will
switch between them from time to time. At certain
times they are more powerful and more physical than
at other times. It is not the same for each deva.
Omal: it is like a wave, sometimes they are very
strong and present and other times they are very
weak and hard to perceive.
Russ: this is the reason for ceremonies being held
at a particular times of the moon or seasons.
Omal: for some yes, for others it does not matter.
Omal: but for the people that worship the devasÖ.
Omal: it is handy to have a time that the devas will
be remembered and the devas become aware of that
time and will act upon that time.
Russ: okay. An example thatís itís reminded me of
Mark working with Diana
Russ: okay so that we know that devas of that
particular ilk happen to be in this particular area.
Now for other devas, you would be merely calling
upon entities that you feel close to and their
ability to respond to that would demonstrate the
fact that they are in this area correct?
Omal: correct but let us look at the devas that Mark
Omal: what type of devas are they?
Russ: hunter and earth devas.
Omal: correct. What was in this area before your
species, your race came?
John: Native Americans.
Omal: that did what?
Russ: hunted and dealt a lot with the earth.
Omal: correct. So it would be logical that they
would present in the area. It is possible that they
are of that family as it were, that line and kind of
deva. Devas that are associated with the earth and
hunting. Quite logical if you think about it so it
would be logical that an area where there was
hunting and worshiping of the earth, that there
would be devas in that area of that kind.
Russ: so what about in like big cities, what kind of
devas would you expect there? Probably none.
Omal: yes and no, it depends on the environments
Omal: more playful and mischievous devas I should
Russ: indeed. So I'm trying to remember my history
of mythological origins and trying to decide which
other devas of that same brand are in other
cultures. For example Nordic, I canít remember any
hunting deities in the Nordic culture.
Omal: what about Thor, the God of thunder, he
Russ: oh did he? See this is why Iím asking because
Iím not really familiar up on Thor. Hmm and on the
female side of that?
Omal: Frika, Fria, Fria was more of the ground, the
Russ: thatís true.
Omal: Fria was the mother goddess of the earth.
Russ: well with as much Wagner that gets played
around here they might be hanging around.
Omal: it would not surprise me. In fact Tia has
pointed out a time where Mark was being very foolish
wearing a cloak and shoving his sword into the air
in a thunderstorm and shouting, ďgo ahead, do your
(Russ and John start laughing)
Russ: good call, all right.....
John: lightning rod in hand.
Russ "I tempt thee."
Omal: well what does that tell you?
Russ: that there is a strong influence in that area
for them and him.
John: and what that tells me is Markís got brain
Omal: actually Mark was being very smart and clever.
Here is a piece of information that you may not be
aware of, water and electricity do not mix correct?
Russ: I disagree, they go quite nicely actually.
John: yeah, yeah, water's a good conductor.
Omal: yes, they do conduct but they do not mix. In a
thunderstorm, you will have lightning and rain
Omal: lightning takes place around the edges of the
Omal: when it is raining you are more deeply into
the storm correct?
Omal: so, with Mark thrusting his sword into a
downpour of rain whilst thereís thunder and
lightning going around tells you what?
Russ: heís fairly safe.
Omal: correct and it would not surprise me if Mark
knew exactly what he was doing.
Russ: well I can still remember incidences on golf
courses in the middle of a rainstorm where people
huddle under trees and they just got nailed by
Omal: yes, well they would be at the edges of the
Omal: for example, there is a golfer that got struck
by lightning I believe his name is Seve
Russ: did he get hit by lightning? Oh I guess he
Omal: yeah and he said that he saw the storm clouds
coming, he heard the clap of thunder and that is all
Omal: it had not started raining at that point. Most
golfers stop playing and head for cover when there
is thunder and lightning around so that they do not
get wet or struck by lightning.
Russ: right, Hollywood much to the difference of
John: well I donít know if I agree with that, I mean
Iíve been in torrential downpours where itís pouring
rain and there is very big bolts of lightning right
in the middle of it. Itís common in Arizona.
Omal: I did not say that it does not happenÖ.
Omal: what I said was that often the lightning is
around the edges of the storm. Occasionally you will
get static charges that build up within the center
of the storm. Now the clouds are all connected
together and often it will be fed to the edges of
the storm away from the water. Occasionally you will
get lightning but for every hundred thunderstorms on
your planet you will get one where lightning is
unusual. But the vast majority of lightning strikes
are around the edges of storms or gaps in the
Russ: yeah you might of been caught in that gap
John: yeah, I donít know what it was.
Omal: so the next time that you have a thunderstorm,
I believe your season is overÖ
Omal: look out and watch the thunderstorm and you
will see that the lightning does not actually happen
in the center of the storm, it is more on the edges
of the storm. This happens because of the rain is
coming down, it's carrying the charges out of the
clouds so that it cannot build up in the centerÖ
Omal: where the downpour is. More to the outsides
and gaps where there is not so much rain it can
build up and therefore it has to be discharged.
Omal: often lightning will jump from one cloud to
another, that is because the positive and negative
charges are creating the activity.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: now dealing with the devas, sometimes the
devas feed off of this energy to increase their
mysterious nature. In your popular culture it is
common to watch a thing on people of other religions
celebrating their masses and there is thunderstorms
and wind and rain and lightning, this is based
partly in truth. The fact that devas will do this
for their entertainment. Your Native Americans have
their rain dance, it is a mutually beneficial setup
for the devas and the natives of this continent.
Russ: yeah Iím trying to remember the deva that is
worshiped by the Native Americans concerning thunder
and rain or at least thunder. There is one, I canít
remember its name.
John: it's different....
Russ: they see it is a God, just like the Nordic
Omal: uh-huh, it is the devas interacting in a
Russ: oh okay, affecting physical universe.
Omal: correct, it is manipulation of molecules of
water and energy in a particular way that benefits
the people. They are happy so the devas return the
compliment for leaving an area alone or improving an
area or whatever, they're given the gift that they
most desire by using manipulation. It may not be one
deva, frequently it is more than one deva. Some
devas will work with an individual, some devas will
work with a group of individuals, some groups of
devas will work with groups of individuals or
individuals. It depends on what the devas desire and
what the people desire and how that beneficial
arrangement can be achieved.
Russ: hmm, now hereís the $64 question, is there an
Omal: the deity that was mentioned was Frika.
Omal: the goddess of the earth and the mother
goddess in reference to Wagner.
Russ: I see, it wasnít exactly what I was thinking
of as far as a earth deva goes but thatís okay.
Omal: that is an Earth deva.
Omal: Gaia is another name.
John: two different names for the same deva?
Omal: not necessarily the same deva but the same
family of devas.
Russ: oh, thatís why, then it's just a mental......
Omal: if I had said Gaia, you would have understood.
As I said Frika, you did not.
Omal: but it is the same deva or the same group of
devas. On that note, live long, prosper and Iíll be
John: later dude.
Russ: good night.
(Tia returns and checks John's schedule)
John: I've got to be there
Tia: 10:30, okay.
John: yeah, so I can hang around.
Tia: cool. Okay, got any more questions
Russ: not just yet.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Karra joins the chat
for her turn talking)
John: (yawns) oh boy.
Russ: hi Karra.
John: hi Karra.
Karra: howís it going?
Russ: how are you my love?
Karra: Iím doing fine but you are not are
Russ: I'm just working too hard.
Karra: okay, letís get down to business.
Russ: I live for Karra's amusement.
Karra: yes, it is very amusing dear, very,
very amusing. The entertainment I receive
shows no limits.
Russ: oh Iím sure my sweetheart. As for
example I guess last night was most
entertaining for you.
Karra: oh yes, pleasure and the joy was
Russ: yes well Iím glad one of us had a
Karra: it would have been better if you
couldíve stayed awake all the time instead
of me having to go, ďRussell, Russell,
John: what, did you nod out on her?
Russ: a manís got to do what a manís got
Karra: and sleeping is not high on the
list in my opinion.
John: I mean he didn't nod out while he
was making love did he?
Russ: Iím catching my energy back up here
tonight okay? Iím feeling much more
refreshed since I.....
John: oh my God.
Karra: a lady does not tell.
John: yeah, I got it. He nodded out while
he was making love.
Karra: I wouldnít say so much nodded off
but kind of came close a few times. But it
is understandable in his debilitated
Russ: yeah two doubles in the row this
Karra: yes I do understand actually.
Russ: it was rough. But anyway, back to
Russ: okay, where do you want to take
Karra: the choice is yours.
Russ: okay, Johnny? Do you have anything
John: go for it.
Russ: okay on healing, now we've discussed
the various ways to healÖ
Russ: okay and the problem keeps coming up
for me is that with so many options
available, finding the best one for that
particular occasion it gets a little
Russ: and Iím wondering how you deal with
a question like that and how you could
help me deal with a question like that?
Karra: I go with what feels right at the
time, what is necessary at the time. It
also comes from experience. Remember, I am
50......nearly 50 years your senior and
those 50 years give me that 50 years more
experience than you have.
Karra: so I can channel and focus the
necessary energy that I think would work
Russ: hmm. Donít you have a set format you
would use in particular circumstances?
Russ: so it would be a little easier for
you as far as you would have a few more
technological advances than I have
available to me.
Karra: well the question is, if you've
seen me working, remember when we were
working with Carrie.
Karra: we would talk first.
Karra: and I would ask her questions.
Questions that I ask are designed by
myself to have particular responses.
Particular responses or lack of those
responses tell me which way to proceed.
Now I could give you a framework to work
from or I could let you come up with your
own questions to ask.
Russ: now weíve gone over this beforeÖ
Russ: as far as the questions themselves
are not that important.
Karra: no, it is the answers that are
Karra: but you cannot get the answers
without asking the questions.
Russ: well the questions are all coming at
the spur the moment, thereís nothing you
could say right now or a set format of
questions you could ask.
Karra: kind of, kind of. There are
questions that will trigger within me the
next lot of questions. Russ, tell me, how
was your day?
Russ: productive, stressful and brief.
Karra: uh-huh. What made today stressful?
Russ: just getting my shields straight I'd
Karra: what made you react in the ways
that you reacted?
Russ: input and the various forms that it
Karra: uh-huh, that is part of healing, is
when youíre deciding what type energy and
how to proceed with healing. You need
those positive inputs, you need to have
the full informationÖÖ..
Russ: well now you worked a lot with
crystals with Carrie.
Russ: and she responded well to crystal
Russ: now thatís not true with everybody
Russ: okay, so the answers that you get
are depending a lot on whether you're
going to be using things like crystals or
Russ: and with no crystals, then you just
go on straight with energy work?
Russ: whereas with crystals, that helps
you channel the energy.
Russ: okay, so how would the personís
answers determine whether they are working
with crystals? Nevermind, I'm getting it.
Well for the tape's purpose, we'll go
ahead finish this out.....because they are
responding well to questions concerning
crystals and energy.
Karra: correct. It depends on if they're
receptive to crystals or if they're
receptive to energy work, you use the
tools that you have at hand and with the
information you are given. For example, if
I was to heal you with your problems after
questioning you and the answers that you
gave me, guess what I would use?
Russ: energy work.
Karra: no, I would use Kiri.
(Russ starts laughing)
Russ: thatís a good tool.
Karra: yes, for the simple reason if you
had not opened up, I would hand you over
to Kiri and Kiri would peel you
like....yes and she is bouncing up and
down saying,"may I?"
Russ: saying, ďplease, please.Ē
Karra: no she did not say please, she
said, "may I?"
Russ: oh, that's fine.
Karra: Johnny, do you have any more
questions? Johnny, how has your days been?
John: few days off been?
John: okay, a lot of rest......
John: and they had a good, important
meeting at work yesterday and that was
really good and....but yeah overall yeah,
Iíve mailed off my Christmas presents to
my family and went to the meeting
yesterday and that was good, really good.
Karra: what was the energy like at the
meeting, youíve mentioned that twice now?
John: it was good, real positive and I had
some good input and yeah it was good, it
was.....it was good and Iím really glad
Iím going off graveyard and back on swing
shift and work is going to be more
normalized. Itís been pretty hectic,
tomorrow nightís going to be a real
interesting night, Iím going to be
starting the changeover back.
John: but the remodeling has gone good and
itís been an interesting challenge for me
and Iíll be back on full time and Iím
looking forward to it.
Karra: now the feeling that you get of
going back on to swing is a relief
John: oh yeah you betcha, you betcha. This
graveyard shift just doesnít agree with
me, Iíve had a hard time with it.
Karra: yeah itís an energy drain correct?
John: oh yeah you betcha, you betcha. Yeah
itís been a challenge, I mean thereís no
doubt about that but it was something that
if I wanted to continue to work at this
place which I do, I had to go through, I
just had to go through this period. But
yeah, yeah full-time on swing shift is a
lot better than part-time on graveyard for
Karra: yes I understand. Now to help make
the adjustment, what I want you to do is
when you get home tomorrow morningÖ.
Karra: is to sit within the pyramid
crosslegged, almost in the lotus
John: all right.
Karra: and pull in the energy around you
right? This will make you feel comfortable
and glowing right?
Karra: as you breathe in the air, the
energy flows into your lungs and your body
and with the air coming in and the energy
coming in, it fills your body like a
vessel that has been filled with white
light. Okay, then when you get off on
Thursday morning, we want you to repeat
Karra: uh-huh and then tell Russ or Mark
what transpired so that it can be relayed
to myself up here on the base.
John: all right, yeah I'll let him know
Karra: and thank you so much for being the
perfect patient and explanation. Russ,
that's how it's done.
Karra: so much information with just a few
words from myself, I learned a lot from
Johnny in those few....in that what, three
John: yeah, couple minutes, yeah sure.
Karra: thank you for being the perfect
patient even though it was unintentional I
John: well yeah, Iím just being, just
being me you know?
Karra: uh-huh. Russ, what did you learn
from that little exchange? Thank you.
John: yeah, thank you.
Russ: oh in general thatís how anybody,
even me, brought about to reveal whatís
been going on in their life.
Karra: uh, huh. What did you learn from
that little exchange?
Russ: as in what?
Karra: as in what did you learn?
Russ: you asked how has your last few days
Russ: and he gave you a detailed
Karra: I learned that Johnny has very
strong feelings about his family which I
already knew, strong feelings about
energies, strong feeling about work, the
fact that heís been feeling drained and
tired because of working graveyard. The
fact that heís feeling energized about
going back on to swing. Five things that
spring to mind straight away and you did
not pick up on any of them correct?
Karra: you have to listen. Now listen to
this room and tell me what you hear?
Russ: heater coming on?
John: you can hear them making snow up on
Karra: thatís good.
Russ: traffic outsideÖ
Russ: off the left side of the room
Karra: uh-huh. Clock ticking.
Russ: clock ticking.
Karra: the recorder whirring, I can hear
Markís heart beating, I can hear your
heart beating fairly loudly and I can just
about hear Johnnyís heart beating. Now
what can you feel in this room? Tension
from you obviously.
Karra: yes because I am unfortunately
pounding on your shielding am I not?
Russ: well Iím used to that darling.
Karra: uh-huh but itís important. The love
that I have for you, I want you to do so
well and when youíre tired and low on
energy, I see that that is the opportunity
to make these lessons stick with you
easier than when youíre being playful and
Russ: true and also I think this job is
going to go well but I think this initial
phase here is going to be a little bit
Karra: yes it will be, we will work on
that later on tonight okay?
John: see ya.
(Tia's back and explains what was thought
to be swearing earlier in the session)
Tia: okay, let me put on the last person.
Tia: and I will try to speak faster for
you so doesnít like Iím swearing at you
which I was not.
(Russ starts laughing)
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
Tia: does that sound better?
Russ: thatís much better.
(Tia says goodbye again in Durondedunn)
(Kiri has her turn in
the channeling field)
Russ: and speaking of guest
Kiri: okay, youíve got half an hour
John: yeah, yeah roughly.
Kiri: okay and you donít want to be late.
John: no, I canít be, I canít be. Itís
very important that I donít be, even a bit
Kiri: tell you what, pause the tape, pause
the tape, Iíll put the kettle on.
John: all right yeah, I could go for a cup
of tea before I go.
(the tape is paused and restarted after a
kettle of water is put on the stove)
John: put the kettle on?
Kiri: yes, the kettle is on.
John: thatís good, I could go for a good,
hot cup of tea before I go to work.
John: all righty then.
Kiri: already, all righty already.
Russ: so youíre coming down to coerce me
Kiri: I donít need to come down to coerce
you. Actually talking of coercion, Markís
developing quite well.
Russ: Iíve developed quite well.
Kiri: Johnnyís doing pretty good but the
fact remains thatÖ
Russ: whatís going on? I mean why is all
of a sudden coercion taking a big jump
Kiri: because itís necessary.
Russ: well not so much that, remember we
were discussing theÖ
Kiri: photon cloud.
Russ: photon cloud?
Russ: and how some abilities are affected
and some arenít? I believe coercion was
mentioned as one of the ones that would be
John: yes it would, definitely
Russ: so if this continues on that same
line of thought right?
Kiri: yes exactly.
Russ: but why is it necessary?
Kiri: think about it.
Russ: well I meanÖ.
John: well itís a good toolÖ..
John: I mean coercion is aÖ..
Kiri: a very useful tool.
John: a very useful tool.
Kiri: depends on how you use it.
Russ: man I'll have to be careful because
mine is coming on like gangbusters now.
Feels like I've got to control it a lot
more than I ever did before.
John: well thatís good though.
Russ: well sometimes it is and sometimes
it isnít. My control sometimes leads into
more personal desires and I have to like
slap my ass down.
John: yeah but isnít that good though,
isnít that beneficial?
Russ: well yes and no. Knowing the fact
that....okay I want to practice it right?
But I have my personal desires saying well
this is how Iím going to practice it.
Russ: so then I have to say no, I donít
want to practice it like that so then all
of a sudden my coercion isn't getting
practiced. So itís kind of a catch 22 in
Kiri: no, you practice with it and the
thing to learn is how do you overcome the
personal desire, the fact that you want
that nice beauty that you were chatting
to, how do you stop your coercion from
sneaking out and influencing her to be in
a more congenial mood?
Russ: tame my hormones.
Kiri: no, you confront the problem, you
look at it and you analyze it and see that
you can control that urge.
Russ: I did real good last night, I did
real good last night, I practiced real
well on controlling that urge. So KiriÖ.
Russ: in regards to Mr. (name edited) and
the coercive battles that I know will
ensue, tips and strategies my dear?
Kiri: tips and strategies how to deal with
an amateur that is more powerful than you.
Russ: yeah. I mean that will make me more
powerful but I need tips and strategies to
get that part going.
Kiri: okay what you want to do is to avoid
confrontation for one thing.
Kiri: how do you change a coercerís mind
when they want to do something? What you
do is you return their probes back to
Russ: so that would come back to shielding
Kiri: you let the thought into you right?
Which means it has to do what? Penetrate
your shields so youíre not expending the
information within yourselves and you
transmit it back to them.
Russ: but what about the concept of
concave shielding that we discussed at the
very beginning of our little sessions?
Kiri: no, that would not work in this
Russ: oh it wouldnít?
Russ: oh, sounds good though.
(the tape is stopped to get the tea ready
which is heard being poured in the
background as it restarts)
John: yeah you're a lot more comfortable
in Markís body now, a lot more
Kiri: yes Iím working on another project
in Markís body that could be fun and
entertaining, something I want to
Russ: that will put you in a unique
perspective I would imagine.
Kiri: very unique perspective. Okay, I've
got a little thing I've been meaning to
try. Okay, I have both Mikeís eyes are
Kiri: which means that I have full
Kiri: okay? I can manipulate his abilities
and whatever. Now, transmit a coercive
thought and I will send it back to you.
Kiri: with Markís energy added to it and
this is what you do.
Kiri: okay now think of a thought and I
will count down with Markís fingers right?
And with a hand, I'll go all the way down
to one and then that should be the end of
the transmission okay? When you're
Kiri: five, four, three, two, one
transmit. Okay, now did you feel the
Kiri: right? And you got your thought back
plus the energy from Mark.
Russ: yeah, it wasn't overpowering.
Kiri: no. Now if you want me to do that
and crank up Mark's ability to where he is
at the moment instead of me being niceÖ
Russ: yes sweetheart.
(Russ laughs from the coercive exercise)
Russ: we can go about this all night.
Kiri: yes, I can crank it way up. You want
me to crank it full on?
Russ: no, we'll be sitting here going back
and fourth and it's going to waste time.
Kiri: no, each time that I think that I've
cranked it up as far as it goes, I find
that I can crank it up higher.
Russ: right but me knowing that what
youíre trying to do is kind of tough
Kiri: oh yeah that's right and what you
can do is, you can tell Mark to return
your coercive energy and see how you
react. Just tell him to return it, I think
he knows how to return the coercive
Russ: okay. Well for the main part here
I'll need to work on shielding anyway,
shielding with a nice mirrored finish.
Kiri: yeah Mark's coercive ability is
growing so be warned. And itís not growing
at a slow rate, it is growing in leaps and
John: yes but all of our coercive power's
John: but Mark's is growing at a faster
rate because heís a grand-master?
Russ: I don't get it though.....
Kiri: not necessarily.
John: oh okayÖ
Kiri: it has nothing to do with his
grand-master capability as a astral
John: okay, okay, now I'm glad I brought
John: because I thought the two would be
related but not necessarily.
Kiri: no, no they're not. As a rule, nine
times out of ten they're not unless you
are a little monster like Leonedies that's
a super operant.
(her son with Mark)
John: oh okay, okay. So in that case with
being a super operant, they would be
Russ: yeah like her astral travel
abilities aren't quite manifested yet.
Kiri: oh, a mile and a half. "Hey super
champ, mile and a half" and then Mark
walks by and goes, "mile and a half?".
Russ: but what about shielding, how come
that's not being affected by the photon
Kiri: I donít know, youíre asking the
wrong person the wrong question.
Russ: hmm. Okay, so we're going to get
into a discussion on ceremonies?
Kiri: uh-huh yeah but we're kind of
marking time at the moment. We might want
a totally independent tape.
Russ: wait, I've got half a tape upstairs.
Kiri: use it.
Russ: yeah, I will.
John: oh you guys going to do another
Kiri: well we're going to continue on with
a tape recording on aÖ
John: on what?
John: oh okay. Have you and Mark messed
around with the recipes? The recipes that
they were giving from Sirius and
Russ: oh no, no, we're going to work on
that a little bit tonight.
Kiri: (whistles) nice view.
Kiri: I canít help it Russ.
Russ: pheromones in the air?
Kiri: yes it is as a matter of fact, we
have three female technicians that are
working in the booth right?
Russ: working in the nude?
Kiri: the booth. Well one's wearing
panties and a T-shirt.
Russ: that's pretty damn close.
Kiri: uh-huh. Normally we have either two
male technicians and a female or two
females and a male.
Russ: Iím going to take a guess that Omal
had to go off and do some business
Kiri: no heís actually talking to one of
the technicians at the moment.
Kiri: yeah, actually itís the one thatís
in the panties.
(laughter breaks out)
John: far out, well......
Kiri: sheís looking very sweet and angelic
in fact, I donít recognize her, I think
sheís a new girl.
Russ: hmm, so sheís just coming in for the
first time for one of these sessions?
Kiri: I havenít seen her before, doesnít
mean to say that sheís not from the base.
Russ: you mean sheís probably done
sessions other than ours.
Russ: but nothing like ours.
John: how many different channeling
sessions do you guys actually participate
in besides ours? Can you tell me that?
Kiri: Tia has participated on one where
she participated in three. Iíve only
participated in one other overall of
yours. Tia participates as a rule in two a
John: oh okay.
Russ: how many go on per week though I
mean or how many per night roughly?
Kiri: there are four roomsÖ
Kiri: right? Plus two portable sets,
thereís the old portable set and then
thereís the new one that is an approved
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: and I made most of the modifications
on that one. There are.......an average
channeling session lasts between an hour
and two hours so letís say an hour and a
half for average right? Four rooms right?
Four is three, six hours per
Russ: per time frame.
Kiri: per time frame. Channeling sessions
taper off at about 10:30 your time. They
will start to cut down but there may be a
free room. By 2:00 your time there are no
more channeling sessions as a rule.
Russ: what time do they start at?
Kiri: they start at about four so thereís
a two-hour window where they can actually
get in there, do any repairs necessary,
clean the rooms because we canít have the
self-cleaning units running because of the
equipment in the room. They have to be
cleaned by hand with special equipment.
Russ: wait, so four the afternoon they
Kiri: no, four in the morningÖ.
Russ: four in the morning they start.
Russ: till 10 at night?
Kiri: about 10'ish, well they finish the
last one as a rule, be out and done with
by two in the morning then all the rooms
will be empty.
Russ: youíre talking about 22 hours of
channeling sessions a day..
Kiri: uh-huh....no, Iím talking of 98
hours of channeling sessions.
Russ: and how come we donít hear about
this stuff? All we hear about is people
like Kathumi and Lady Athena or something
Kiri: because most of them are groups like
yours that are small. How many people do
you know have heard of your group?
Russ: quite a few now.
Kiri: yeah thatís because youíre on the
John: right, but I mean verballyÖ..
Russ: but why are we the only ones on the
bloody Internet, I mean Hades Base should
be like one the most popular topics on the
planet with this much channeling going on?
John: I mean itís not like I run around
telling people about our channeling you
what I mean? And you don't do that either,
I know you don't.
Russ: yeah but still, 96 hours, who
watches 96 hours of television? Nobody
right? And yet we got that much channeling
going on out there across the world and
itís not that big a world I hate to say
it, itís getting smaller every day.
John: oh yeah but it is a pretty big
planet. What countries do you guys channel
Kiri: canít tell you that.
John: you canít tell me that okay.
Russ: but nobodyís ever come back and
saying, ďhi, we channel from Hades Base
John: also you mean.
Russ: yeah also.
John: yeah, yeah.
Russ: nobody tells me, ďoh yeah, we know
Tia, weíve met Omal andÖ..Ē
Kiri: Tia goes under a different name.
Russ: okay, well I know Omal doesnít.
Kiri: no, Omal does not, Tia does.
Russ: we never hear about Omal or TiaÖ
John: why does Tia use a different name?
So Tia is Tia for us but when sheís
channeling to another group she uses
Kiri: yeah, from what sheís just said is
that one of the people in the group is
called Tia. So sheÖ.
John: oh okay, okay, soÖ.
THE TAPE ENDS