(Tia starts the session off with
news of Mark in his astral body)
Tia: ÖÖplays tag on the surface with a UFO.
Russ: oh God, whatís he doing that for?
Tia: I donít know.
Russ: hmm, anything for a little fun.
Tia: yeah, I suppose so.
Russ: yours or theirs?
Tia: mine? I donít follow.
Russ: your UFO or their UFO? The baseís UFO?
Tia: oh, the baseís UFO, yeah.
Russ: or their UFO?
Tia: whoís their?
Russ: take any number of alien beings, lock them all
into one big category and call them their.
Tia: well do you think there would be any UFO's in
the fifth dimension over our base?
Russ: could be coming in from one of the places that
are friendly to you in the fifth dimension.
Tia: who knows, who knows? But heís up there playing
Russ: well figures.
Tia: uh-huh. I suppose itís his way of letting off
Russ: yeah, a lot of streams around there.
Tia: did I say streams? I meant steam. Sorry, itís
not my language.
Russ: obviously. No problem, I have to laugh a
little bit here once in a while.
Tia: oh, you want to laugh huh?
Russ: itís good for me, good for you, good for
Tia: oh I see, I get the picture. Okay, second
Tia: astral travel.
Tia: okay, this is a hybrid between the one from
last week and the one that we have on the Internet,
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, it follows a fasting process of only a
day, no food, no proteins at all. You have a
darkened room with candlesÖ..you make a little bit
of a ceremony out of this. You start off at the
North point and light the North candle and then the
East candle, the South candle and the West candle
and you have them on the edges of a circle. You say
a little prayer to each candle, a blessing of
whatever feels comfortable for the individual. You
lie down on your surface that you have for
traveling. You take five long, deep breaths of about
2 to 3 seconds in length so you go (she breathes
deeply in) and then you would exhale (she exhales)
and you would do five of these and you would do them
in the sitting position. Then, you would lie down
and you would say a little blessing or prayer, again
whatever you feel comfortable with and you would
then take ten long, deep breaths. Again about 2 to 3
seconds each. Then you would close your eyes. You
would meditate within yourself, try to clear your
mind so that your mind is blank. Then, when your
mind is blank, you will think to yourself, "my body
is getting lighter and lighter, I am getting lighter
and lighter, I am getting lighter and lighter". You
would think this over and over again in your head.
Do it approximately 20 times, approximately because
we donít want you to go, "Iím getting lighter and
lighter one, Iím getting lighter and lighter two",
approximately. If you do 30 or 40, thatís fine,
thatís great. Then, you would again shut down the
internal dialogue and let your mind go blank. At
this point you should start to feel lighter and
lighter. You will feel your body or you should feel
your body floating free. Continue thinking of
nothing. You will raise up out of your body, or you
should, and you will feel yourself free of your
body. Just let yourself float, wherever you go you
go, whatever you see you see, thatís all that
matters at this point. Maintain this as long as you
can, no time limits are set on this. Now returning
back to your body, very simple you will think,
"return, return to my body, return to my body" and
you will repeat that until you feel yourself aware
of your body. Then, you would get up and using your
fingertips, starting at the North candle you
extinguish each candle giving them a blessing as you
do so. Again, whatever type of blessing that you are
comfortable with you use and you would do it for
each candle as you extinguish the candle. Now it
might be handy as the candles should be your only
light source to have a candle outside the circle,
preferably a nice big bright one and that is your
light candle and also your beacon for when you come
back if you visualize yourself coming back. That is
your beacon candle. And of course, when all the
candles are extinguished, it is also your light
source. Now having done this, you may wish to repeat
it the following night but I suggest that you give
it a rest of a day and have a meal of substance to
replace the things that you have lost through
fasting for the 24 hours. Whenever I say a day, I
mean 24 hours or 23 hours, 58 minutes and however
many seconds it is. Okay, now moving along to more
Tia: okay let us look at the marketís current
Russ: it went up 10 points today.
Tia: 11 actually, not very much.
Russ: not very much.
Tia: no, but the NASDAQ did make records. So the
NASDAQ set a new record, the Dow dropped, overall
increase in shares did occur but even though the Dow
did drop. As I said in the past, weíre using the Dow
as an indicator. There are two other indicators that
we do use, the Russell 500 and the NASDAQ
composites. So with those we can analyze much easier
by using three pointers. If you wish to use a fourth
one, there's the S&P that you can also use but
using these pointers gives you a good feel for the
pulse of the economy. With these pulses, you can see
whatís going on. If two go up and two go down, then
itís pretty stable. If three go up and one goes
down, it means that itís increasing and if the
opposite occurs, three go down and one goes up,
again itís decreasing. If all four go up, itís going
up pretty fast. If all four go down, then it may be
worth watching what is what is going on and seeing
how the trends are. Now there are external trends to
watch, for example gross national product, consumer
confidence and inflation. Again three pointers worth
watching. With these things like consumer
confidence, you can see whatís happened in the past
and the trends that are going. With the gross
national product, again you can see the trends. See
on whatís happening and how things are going.
Inflation, again thatís a very good thing to watch
for. Itís a handy tool to use to direct. So, a brief
synopsis, the market at the moment is appearing to
be stabilizing but it is worth watching to see how
fast things grow. With things growing rapidly, of
course there are always downtrends and these
downtrends are worth watching to see how they
continue. But at the moment, with its increases,
itís hay time, to make hay, to have money, to invest
if you feel that you need to invest. But what do you
invest in? Well thereís lots of things that you can
invest in and my recommendations are just as good as
anybody elseís so whatís the point of me giving
recommendations that anybody can give that knows a
little about the market. Itís pointless, itís like
an opinion, everybody has one. Any questions hon?
Russ: yeah love, youíre using Earth economic factors
to determine things likeÖÖexcuse me for a
secondÖ..to determine things like changes in our
Russ: and indicators showing potential changes that
are around the corner.
Russ: now what other indicators are there besides
Earth indicators that you use?
Tia: we use things like the general behavior of
people. By watching people and the way that they
behave and how they talk will give you an indication
on how they are doing. If you talk and observe
enough people, you can come up with an opinion that
is external to released figures that are calculated
by governmental agencies, business corporations and
so on. Which even though they're pretty accurate,
they really donít know whatís going on, they donít
have their finger totally on the pulse of the
community. So what you want to do is to look at how
people behave, how they interact, how they spend
their money, what they spend their money on. If
theyíre spending a lot of money, if theyíre not
spending a lot of money. So you have to look at how
people behave to see what is actually going on.
Russ: now is there a growth phase in consciousness
to watch for at the same time?
Tia: hmmmm, yes and no, it depends on the social
status of the individuals. People in the lower
brackets tend to be concerned with one thing and one
thing only which is?
Russ: thatís an unfair grouping though wouldnít you
Tia: Iím starting from the bottom and Iím working my
Russ: okay, well Iíll play.
Tia: youíll play. Before we play, why do you have
Russ: well due to the fact that Iíve been in that
same bracket more times than I can countÖ.
Russ: and yet every one of those times that Iíve
been in that bracket have been my highest leaps in
consciousness or at least in learning.
Tia: yes but youíve already been exposed to that
quest for knowledge.
Russ: at my lowest points Iíve been exposedÖ.
Russ: but at my higher points, those are the points
I was never exposed to it.
Tia: yes but you were already spiritually aware.
Russ: well thatís just many lifetimes.
Tia: uh-huh, you were conscious of those lifetimes
and of those experiences. Most people are not. Take
for example your former girlfriend.
Tia: she was never exposed to those spiritual
Russ: different continentÖ..or different country.
Russ: okay, what Iím talking about is those people
born in the United StatesÖ.
Russ: with those past lives from Atlantis now taking
more of a predominant role in their consciousness
and their growth.
Tia: okay let us look at another person.
Tia: Jack, very Americanized.
Russ: came from Greece though.
Tia: uh-huh but, let me follow this through.
Tia: heís very Americanized, I believe heís an
American citizen correct?
Russ: oh yeah.
Tia: he worked for governmental agencies.
Tia: but yet he comes from the old world where there
is a history of connection with Atlantis, where they
actually do believe in Atlantis, itís not some
Tia: so why is it that Jack is so different from you
coming from a place where it is accepted, that it
more than likely did exist?
Russ: hmm, because people who areÖ.
(Mark's cat Joey made a thump
in the room above us)
Tia: sheís got heavy feet.
Russ: yeahÖ..people with more familiar........and it
has to do with past lives. Okay yeah their belief
that is there but their past lives are bringing them
here to this country due to the technological nature
of this country is completely similar to what
Atlantis was so therefore Iím talking about people
who were born in this country.
Tia: okay, David.
Russ: good point.
Tia: until he met youÖ.
Tia: no idea of past livesÖ..
Tia: no idea on spiritual awarenessÖÖ
Tia: but, he was exposed to it. Now, David is in the
bottom bracket correct?
Russ: oh yeah.
Tia: very much so and his spiritual growth goes in
spurts. When he moves temporarily up into another
bracket where he has property and so on, he searches
but when he is knocked back down into the lower
bracket heís more concerned with survival. Whereís
my next meal coming from, whereís my next luxury
coming from and thatís all heís concerned with. But,
the average person that has not been exposed is more
concerned with advancing to the next bracket. When
they achieve that next bracket, they have a stable
lifestyle, they wish to go on to the next level and
the next level is having luxuries such as a car, TV,
VCR, pets, computers and so on. Now having achieved
that bracket, then they start to branch out for
spiritualness. Whether it is from an established
Christian religion or Celtic or Buddhism or Druidism
or Hinduism or Muslim, whatever, they branch out and
search. Now there are certain groups that are
external, groups that have a strong ethnic
background in spiritualism, theyíre outside of the
normal run-of-the-mill people.
Russ: hmm, okay well take for exampleÖ.
Russ: and this is why I bring this up, the fact that
as you mentioned David wasnít much into it until he
was exposed by myself.
Russ: at that point took a much further interest.
Russ: now Iím taking this to the next level which is
the fact that the media has kind of taken my
position now. People are being exposed on a huge,
wider scale and especially with the Internet tooÖ..
Russ: to where itís not just me telling people or
people like me telling other people, theyíre seeing
this in many different forms, especially the
entertainment forms that are hugely popularÖ.
Russ: and hugely making a point on their brains.
Russ: inspirational or something like that. Now with
that, I think weíre seeing the changes coming about
from a larger group of peopleÖ.
Russ: in the same bracket that David was.
Tia: theyíre interested but they do not have the
ability to advance. Mainly because there is one
factor involved in the media that plays a very
strong role in it.
Tia: and that factor is, "how much money can we make
from this?" So thereís a lot of erroneous
information out there that is very deceptive, very
uninformative due to the fact itís a mishmash of
realities and fantasies. A collection of ideas that
look compatible but are not. For example, let us
take the humanoid species.
Tia: how many humanoid species do you know?
Russ: roughly four?
Tia: I can actually think of a lot more. Thereís my
species, your species, the Zetaís, the Wookies, the
Sirians, the Reptilians, yes they fit in there,
theyíre bipedal life forms. They all have one thing
Tia: they all have hands or things approaching
hands, they all have two eyesÖ..oh the blue guys,
the androgynous race that we have up here. Okay so
thatís eight races, all bipedal, all bifocal, all
with digitals. Now, how many species are there that
are spacefaring? Also the bat race and the pig race
and the frog race that Markís seen so that brings it
up to 11.
Russ: I would say theyíre all spacefaring except for
the frog raceÖ
Tia: uh-huh. Now the question wasnít how many of
those that are spacefaring, itís how many
spacefaring races are there?
Russ: oh, quite a few.
Tia: uh-huh, a lot and the humanoids are just a
small percentage of the spacefaring races.
Russ: theyíre not very good at it either.
Tia: no. There are other races out there that you
would not recognize as lifeforms but they are alive.
So your popular entertainment portrays basically
this one category, the humanoids. They donít portray
any of the gaseous lifeforms, they donít portray any
of the liquid lifeforms, they donít portray any of
the plant intelligent lifeforms, they donít portray
many in the way of aquatic lifeforms that are
intelligent spacefaring races.
Russ: ďMen in BlackĒ came kind of close.
Tia: no, not even close, not even close. There are
so many different lifeforms out there that we make
up as bipedal lifeforms, carbon based lifeforms,
about maybe 2% if we're lucky.
Tia: so what is in your popular entertainment is
quite a lot of erroneous facts. Thereís a lot of
truth in them but there is also a lot of information
that is way off the mark. There are a lot of
lifeforms out there that show no interest whatsoever
in your species, in your planet, theyíre more
interested in other things. So you see where Iím
going with this?
Tia: that the popular entertainment is probably
about 2% accurate and the rest of it is fantasy,
wishful thinking, mishmash of facts cobbled together
that is there for purely entertainment. Now people
like David go and to see things like this and they
take it as thatís a possibility, that rings a bell.
Itís the desire to feel not alone. Even though
youíre not alone, but you want to feel comfortable,
you want to be able to associate with an idea. So if
you were to make a realistic entertainment on
spacefaring races, you would be in for quite a shock
on all the possibilities and all the possible
motives and all the possible thought processes and
so on. So that to say that the popular entertainment
is a key element in the spiritual growth is wrong
because there is a lot of mishmash ideas in there.
Now what is useful is the revival in native
consciousness meaning Native Americans, native
British people, native Africans, native Chinese,
their spiritual awareness is where the true
information really is. Yes there is an increase in
these things. Movies, TV series, documentaries,
books, publications, all of these things have a
connectedness but these massive blockbusters, "Men
in Black", "Contact"........actually "Contact" is
more realistic than "Men in Black" for your Earth
Russ: "Independence Day".
Tia: "Independence Day", "Star Trek", all these
things serve a purpose primarily of entertainment.
Little snippets, even "Star Wars", little snippets
of information are scattered within. Little
philosophies are scattered within but overall they
are purely entertainment. Omal would beg to differ
and Iíll let him deal with that in a little bit.
Russ: they do make my job easier.
Tia: what do you mean?
Russ: well when I discuss something like this, itís
not like Iím having to start from scratch.
Tia: oh, no.
Russ: Iím building on a information base that people
have already acceptedÖ.
Russ: as a possibility.
Russ: when Iím able to offer collaborating evidence
towards that factÖ..
Russ: Iím not starting from total disbelief.
Tia: no, no, there are a lot of people out there
that do and they get suckered into these cults.
Russ: well if Omal allows your answers from the last
part there, that will go a long way too.
Tia: uh-huh. A good example of being suckered in and
a costly one is the Heavenís Gate group, they were
suckered in badly.
Russ: yeah people are still asking whether or not
"well, I wonder where they are now?"
Tia: theyíre dead.
Russ: yeah I know, theyíre in between lives going,
"well that was pretty stupid......"
Russ: "letís not do that next time."
Tia: yeah, exactly. They were not picked up, there
was nothing there and not enough credit has been
given to the people that said that there was nothing
there. I mean, Mark went there and told, there was
nothing there. The information got out late but it
wouldnít have changed anything.
Russ: no, people are going to do whatever they're
going to do when they do it.
Tia: uh-huh. Art Bell did a lot of harm to the
spiritual growth. Art Bell in my opinion is a joke
but thatís my opinion. He may deny it, he may get
upset, he may get angry but he is out there for the
advancement and advancement only of Art Bell.
Spiritually wise he is devoid in my opinion. Heís
probably got spiritual inclinations but, the primary
motivating factor is himself.
Russ: but again, just like with everything else, Art
Bell serves a purpose.
Russ: making my job easier.
Tia: he gets the ideas out there.
Russ: right, all I do is I cleanup his trash.
Tia: uh-huh and his trash is quite a lot.
Russ: yes but I mean without the trashÖ
Russ: Iíd have to start creating that stuff.
Tia: yeah, it is possible in a way that you could
say that Art Bell was responsible for the suicides
of the Heavenís Gate crowd. By continuing that myth,
they would have probably commited suicide anyway but
he contributed to it in an indirect way.
Russ: well, nonetheless, the only responsibility
lies with the Heavenís Gate members.
Tia: correct. Anyway, my time's up for this bit.
Tia: or do you have any last questions?
Russ: no, go ahead love.
(Omal comes on and jumps into
his prepared dissertation)
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal, an honor to have you with us
Omal: okay let us cover Tiaís long dissertation.
Okay, about the only thing that I think that we
could edit is the little bit concerningÖ..we can
keep all of it.
Russ: fair enough, thank you, it was a good,
informative dissertation Iíd say.
Omal: thank you, Tia is delighted.
Russ: Iíll bet she is.
Omal: okay, let us get down to my favorite topic,
spiritual consciousness and development.
Russ: ahh, new key?
Omal: maybe, maybe not. Self-love, carrying on from
where we left off.
Omal: okay self-love, to quote, "there is no viler
sin than self-love except self-neglect". Now why is
it that Shakespeare used that quote that self-love
is a sin? It is not. Self-love is the first key to
development, to be able to evolve. After all, you
cannot love others if you do not love yourself and
with this self-love and how it grows and develops is
something that comes along with spiritual growth.
The more that you love yourself, the more that you
take care of yourself, the more that you see
opportunities to improve upon yourself. I donít mean
externally as in cosmetics, I mean internally,
making yourself a better person. Using experiences
to grow, to take care of yourself. These things
create self-love, they create confidence. Having
confidence can lead you on a pathway of love of all
things, being aware of where you wish to go, how you
wish to develop, where you want to go, how you wish
to be. All these factors together make you a better
person in your development level on how you achieve
your goal. Now, looking at higher consciousness in
relationship to self-love, this is where it becomes
more of a abstract idea but a idea which is a part
of it. From self-love springs love of all things as
I have stated. Now, with the spiritual growth that
is incorporated in this and the natural progression
and development that you go through on this
spiritual quest is the idea that it is necessary to
spread your knowledge. But, because the knowledge is
not the accepted, normal practice, it is looked upon
as strange. How do you overcome this? Very simply,
you do not preach, you do not tell, as in dictating
this is the way that it is, you tell it in a way
that it works for me, it is a moral decision. And
how you interact with this moral consciousness and
people interact with you with the high ethical
standards that comes with this in this moral setup.
Moral behavior serves a key function. With the
necessary interactions that come with a higher moral
consciousness. "Do onto others as you wish done on
to yourself". "Do as I say, not as I did". These are
two phrases which are useful in the helping of other
people. Let us look at "do as I say, not as I did".
You use your failures, your mistakes, your pains,
your sufferings as an example and what the answers
should have been and how you learned from these
mistakes. As a teacher and communicator, it is
important to articulate these things well, to make
it a good lesson in morality. And by teaching these
morals, by interacting in a particular way, your
development of yourself occurs as well as the
individuals that you are teaching. And from this you
get the feeling of affection for these individuals
and from them the feeling of affection for you which
increases your self-love of yourself that you have
done a good job, that you have interacted well and
the cycle is repeated. From this cycle a spiral is
created. Instead of a spiral spiraling in, it is a
ever-increasing spiral out from you. You may
interact with four individuals, those four
individuals may interact with four more individuals
who interact with more individuals so your teachings
and your moral principles are passed on but you have
to stick to those moral principles. Those moral
principles vary for each individual. For example, on
the higher spiritual levels, adultery does not
exist, fornication does not exist but on the third
dimension it is part of the principles and teachings
of a third dimensional religion. You can use the
discussion of, "well, if we are created by a God and
these things are pleasurable, then they cannot be
bad". But they can be bad in a moral point of view
because for example coveting your neighbor's person,
wife, husband, whatever, creates friction. It may
feel good to join with that individual but it is bad
morally. It causes pain and jealousy and possibly
even death. So these morals that are developed at an
early age for individuals must be put into play for
the spiritual growth and development that comes
along with these matters. Do you have any questions?
Russ: hmm, itís tough to ask questions on something
like this. The only thing I would really have a
question about is the fact that even though your
morals are set at a young age, wouldnít being the
fall into those lessons and going through those
problems create a higher standard of morals then
Omal: no and the reason being that if you had
learned your morals, you would not have needed to
have learned these experiences. You would not
have had to experienced these things to realize that
the morals were correct. You see the principal
function of morals is so that you can interact and
do not need to learn these lessons because these
lessons have already been put before you, analyzed
and learned by learning the morals. The morals are
like learning 2+2
= 4, you donít have to go
out there and find out for yourself, you have to
learn that 2+2 = 4. It does not equal three or five,
it equals four and that is the way that it is. So by
learning morals, they are there so you that donít
have to experience these situations. These
situations bring upon pain and suffering. If you do
not learn your morals, then they serve a function of
creating the morals that you need. But the morals
are there as a purpose, they are there to help you
develop without suffering, without going through
these problems. There are certainly in your lives
more experiences that donít require morals that you
can learn from but having to relearn these lessons
that you should have learned through your morals
strikes me as a bit of a waste. It slows down the
growth and it slows down your development.
(a phone rings in the background)
Omal: pause the tape please. Okay, more questions
Russ: okay, in any form of civilization, we're all
basically going upon what people have taught us,
where people of gone wrong before. The only problems
I have is the fact that a lot of people would feel
that okay, theyíve been there, theyíve done that but
I won't learn the lesson correctly until Iíve done
that and Iíve seen this happen a million times
before. What do you tell these people, this is a
waste of time?
Omal: no, I tell them that they have not learned
their lesson so they have to experience it for
themselves. They have not learned their moral
principles, they have not achieved the spiritual
awareness to follow their morals so therefore they
have to relearn the reasons why they learned their
morals in the first place. Certain morals that have
gone throughout the ages, "thou shalt not kill",
thatís a good example and a good way of putting it.
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighborís wife", causes
friction, can even cause murder which goes to the
second one or to the first one "thou shalt not
kill". "Thou shalt not steal", which can cause
jealousy, jealousy because a person has and another
person does not. The person that does not steals,
upsets the person that does or did and can end in
physical harm and even back to the first one,
killing. These are three principal morals.
Russ: hmm, now Jesus in the New Testament, he said
basically....or Sananda, "love thy neighbor as
Omal: that is a commandment, from the 10
Russ: oh okay, well what did he say? He says, "this
law is above all the others".
Omal: that is, let me quote, "the Lord God Jehovah",
that is from the 10 Commandments. "Love thy neighbor
as thyself", that is my fourth statement that I was
going to come to.
Omal: "this law is above all else". And it goes back
to last weekís dissertation and self-love, why?
Russ: because with that, all the other laws fall
right into place.
Omal: correct. That if you love your neighbor, you
will not want to have his or her bond mate so
therefore you will not covet thy neighborís wife or
(Omal comes back to the point
he was making)
Omal: ......"thou shalt not steal". If you love
all things, then you cannot steal because of the
respect that you have for all things and certainly
you should not kill because killing somebody is
killing yourself in essence. But, there are
certain sciences.....certain circumstances where
it becomes necessary to break "thou shalt not
kill" and that is where it involves self-love and
the well-being of other people. That you give
yourself as a protector to a group of individuals
that cannot protect. If an individual is trying to
kill you, then you have to protect the group and
in doing so you may have to harm and even kill
this individual. This is where it becomes another
one that should be the 11th commandment, "the
needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or
the one". From your popular entertainment, a
little glimmer of philosophy and truth. As Tia put
it, there is a lot of erroneous information but
little snippets normally involving philosophies.
Next question please.
Russ: well along that same line, when she
mentioned the various lifeforms that we arenít
even dealing with in the popular entertainment,
there are things like the older versions or even
the newer versions of "Star Trek" which deal with
lifeforms that arenít bi-pedal that we would never
have any glimpse of except through this. For
Russ: I mean theyíre definitely not bi-pedal,
theyíre a lifeform and all they are is just a ball
of fur. Cute story but again it emphasizes things
that go along with that. There's other things that
are just energy yet they are lifeformsÖ.
Russ: and they travel in space.
Omal: uh-huh. These things that you see in your
popular entertainment are just the tip of the
Russ: oh really?
Russ: what about things like "Q"?
Omal: you should talk to Ashtar.
Russ: thatís pretty close huh? Without the ego
Omal: next time Ashtar is present call him "Q".
Instead of Ashtar, call him "Q".
Russ: Iíll do so. I donít really think Iíll get a
laugh out of him but Iíll do so anyway.
Omal: you will later.
Omal: you also bring a smile to some very tired
Russ: alrighty, Iíll do so.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: youíre welcome. Live long, prosper and, Iíll
(Tia transitions to Karra's channeling but treads
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: that was quite good, I liked that.
Tia: uh-huh, probably do with some liquid for his
Russ: yeah let me pause this and i'll go.......
Russ: rock Ďn roll.
Tia: itís back online? Good.
Tia: but as I was saying, itís not for me to say,
thatís between you and your loved one.
Russ: weíre dealing with it.
Russ: Iím essentially finding little relaxing bits
of time throughout the day to kind of keep that
Russ: and I got the feeling she talked me into not
turning my alarm on last night too.
Tia: how much did you oversleep by?
Russ: two hours.
Tia: probably, probably.
Russ: I was in enough of a relaxed state where I
was easily manipulated.
Tia: yes, well sheís good at manipulating you. I
sometimes wonder when I hear stories of, sort of
like, ďhello, my nameís Russ, Iím the puppet of
Russ: well we have a wonderful relationship so I
encourage her, whenever she'd like to help out in
my directions itís perfectly fine, she has much
more experience in these matters than I do
sometimes. Or else why bother having a twin soul
on a higher dimension?
Russ: I'll take full advantage of it whenever you
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Karra has a serious
dissertation in store for the night)
Russ: hey sweetheart.
Karra: yes, I had to tell Tia to butt out, she was
going to read you the riot act.
Russ: I figured she would butÖÖ
Russ: it wouldnít have much effect on whatever my
Karra: oh correct, correct and we have to pursue
our path for a particular reason.
Karra: okay now, let us get on to more serious
things. Let me address a healing issue and last
week we discussed dealing with mental problems.
Now, let us move along to the next step of dealing
with problems and that is health problems created
by negative actions, neglect in essence. Now, why
does somebody neglect themselves? Well, this
occurs for many reasons. One is they donít have
the time, they donít have the energy, they donít
have the ability and they donít have the cognitive
thought processes to realize that their behavior
is causing the problem. Now let us look at
addiction as one of the neglecting factors. There
are certain addictions which are beneficial, the
addiction to food, the addiction to water, these
are necessities but let us look at some other
addictions, let us look at the addiction to
alcohol. Now alcohol is a depressant, it depresses
the system and it leads to a whole host of other
problems such as cirrhosis of the liver, stomach
ulcers, intestinal problems, mental problems,
bladder problems, these are things that can be
dealt with if it is realized that alcohol is a
problem. Now, having dealt recently with an
individual that suffers from alcoholism, what did
we learn? Well we learned that first of all you
have to make the person aware of the problem. This
is only the first step, making the person aware of
the problem. Hmm, okay theyíre aware of the
problem, now you have to change their behavior to
make them deal and address the problem to get over
the fact that alcohol has become a ruling factor
in their life, that they are destroying themselves
through using alcohol.
Karra: but donít get me wrong, alcohol is a great
release. It helps you to relax, it helps you to
sleep if itís needed, it helps you to lower your
inhibitions so you can interact if youíre feeling
tense, these are great benefits. But when it
becomes necessary to use alcohol repeatedly so
that these functions can occur, you need to
address the root problem which is not the
addiction but the mental processes which are
involved that make you hesitant in these
situations. Now getting back to how to make
somebody that is aware that they have a drink
problem start to address the problem. Well there
are many, many different ways of doing this but
theyíre all hard and it dovetails nicely with
Omalís dissertation last week and this week on
self-love. You have to first of all make them
aware of self-love, that they are worthy of love,
that they do not need this negative stimuli and
depressant in their life, that they can progress
further on. Dealing with alcoholism is a very
draining and day by day event. Having got
them.....sheís quite correct, that cat does have
big feet.....having got them to realize that their
problem can be dealt with, that they can carry on
functioning without this alcoholic stimuli is
something that has to be reinforced day after day,
week after week. Most alcoholics stay alcoholics.
The lucky few forsake alcohol and become
functioning, useful individuals. Some alcoholics
are functioning, useful individuals but it must be
emphasized that the health problems by using the
substance outweigh any benefit whatsoever. Now
letís move along to another addiction and a very
interesting addiction. First of all, on a side
note, there was a lady that died recently at the
age of 122. Do you know what her addictions were?
Karra: she smoked. The only reason she stopped
smoking was because she could no longer see her
cigarettes to light them. Iím not saying that
cigarettes are good, theyíre very, very bad but
they do serve a function. Now, the channeler
smokes, is there anything good from him smoking?
Karra: which is?
Russ: control of various problems that would arise
if he didnít smoke?
Karra: such as?
Russ: tension, stress.
Karra: hmm, I think he could deal with those
without smoking, he has other ways of releasing
his stress and his tension.
Russ: well itís been said that cigarettes are
actually both a depressant and a stimulate.
Karra: yes they are.
Russ: they actually interact in the system in both
ways depending on how it reads the systemÖ.
Russ: very smart substance actually.
Karra: it is. Nicotine itself does not kill, not
unless you overdose. Nicotine on its own does no
harm to the system whatsoever. What they put in
there is what causes the problems. There are
certain byproducts from the tobacco which cause
problems but, let us say that the host, the
channeler did not have the need to smoke. Thereís
no reason for him to smoke. He is in his current
health condition, what use would smoking serve?
Russ: nothing I can see of.
Karra: there is one.
Karra: one medical use for smokingÖ.
Karra: do you know what it's supremely good for?
Karra: itís actually the nicotine thatís inhaled
into the system.
Karra: it controls colitis.
Russ: oh, I didn't know that.
Karra: well it doesnít actually control it, what
it does is it takes away the inflammation.
Karra: it depresses the inflammation.
Russ: well what if they just took the nicotine out
and made it just the nicotine as a substance to be
Karra: in a pill form?
Russ: well a pill or liquid, I mean theyíve done
it with a hundred different substances.
Karra: uh-huh, do you know whatís the quickest way
into the system?
Russ: a drop of that on your tongue.
Karra: no, it has to go down into the intestinal
tract, it has to be digested by the area or passed
through the area that is damaged. Actually, it
will pass through there, the end product, right?
It takes anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes for the
drug to interact. Now what is the quickest way to
get into the blood flow?
Russ: in smoking form?
Karra: correct. Do you know how long that takes?
Russ: yeah I know, from my old days.
Karra: correct, 15 at the maximum.
Russ: so if you inhaled it?
Russ: I mean as in like a gaseous form.
Karra: yes, that would work. Well thatís what heís
doing when he fires up a cigarette correct?
Russ: yeah but like if it was in a gaseous form
added with like oxygen or something?
Karra: that would work.
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Karra: uh-huh. But you see that a harmful
Karra: does have a use.
Karra: and sometimes people are immune to the
effects. The offspring of this 102 year old lady
that passed away recently, they probably have a
much higher tolerance to carcinogenics and
Karra: having lived that length of time, that is
like living a thousand years for us. Those people
are special, you see?
Karra: so harmful addictions sometimes can serve
as a purpose in an indirect way. Certainly
cigarettes are very harmful and I would prefer it
if nobody took it up but, there are benefits
sometimes. Something that I am a prepared to admit
even though I have an intense disliking for
cigarettes and the harm that it does, there are
benefits. There are benefits to everything. There
are benefits to alcohol in moderation. It is fun,
I drink but somebody that drinks excessively to
the point of obliteration serves no function
whatsoever. You might as well hand them a handgun
and say get it over and done with. They are
killing themselves but the occasional glass of
wine, the occasional tipple is beneficial as is I
would much prefer that he smokes cigars than
cigarettes. There are less harmful chemicals in
Karra: but itís his choice. Okay let us look at
some other addictions, food. Glorious food,
wonderful food, we need it, we have to have food,
it is a necessity but it can also be an addiction.
Too little food and you starve and die, too much
food, you become overweight and you die. The right
amount of food is perfect. What do all these
addictions have in common?
Russ: you get pleasure.
Karra: yes, that is one thing but not the thing
Iím looking for.
Karra: okay letís look at getting pleasure.
Karra: okay, what happens when you get pleasure?
Russ: you feel good.
Karra: uh-huh but what goes on, what is the
process that makes you feel good?
Russ: your brain relaxes.
Karra: endorphins are released to give pleasure. A
chemical reaction takes place, thatís what I was
Karra: a chemical reaction. Now, each one is very,
very different, each one is a necessity. Chemicals
are released to give pleasure, each one has a
positive and negative affect, each one serves as a
lesson in learning. But how do we address them
when they become problems?
Russ: well, usually the best way is to replace
them with something positive and something
Karra: yes but youíve got to be very, very
careful. For example, let us take alcoholism as
that is the one that we started with.
Karra: what would you replace that with?
Russ: something to do with learning or
Russ: a hobby.
Karra: hmm yes, that can work but there is a much
better and easier way.
Karra: and when I say easier, it is hard, all of
the substitutes are hard. You have to address the
root problem. As with drinking and eating, not so
much with smoking, smoking is a very hard one to
deal with but the principles can be used. You have
to first of all diagnose why the person has the
desire to drink to excess.
Russ: well itís a question between
self-destructiveness and self-love.
Russ: thereís a lack of one and an overabundance
of the other.
Karra: correct, so you have to activate the
self-love. The same with eating disorders, you
have to activate the self-love. Smoking as I said
is a difficult one because yes, if a person
continually smokes, chain smokes, that then does
become a mental and psychological situation that
needs to be addressed but when itís the occasional
cigarette and I mean occasional being every so
often, not continuously, then it is not so much of
a mental problem but of an addiction, an addictive
nature where they actually need the cigarette at
predetermined times. Self-medication in a way. The
same with alcohol and food, it is self-medication.
Learning to control that self-medication is the
first step. You see the addiction for alcoholism
is subtle, you donít notice it until itís too late
and then itís got you. To get off of it has to be
dealt with one of two ways, cut off, no more
forever or through a subtle way that it is
gradually replaced by something else where the
person doesnít notice that theyíre not drinking as
much at first and when they do realize that
they're drinking less, they are rewarded by
feeling better and good by themselves. So it is a
communication that needs to transpire and it comes
back very nicely I think to self-love and the
growth and development. Now any questions?
Russ: hmm, I can see where something that would
make a person feel more self-love would be the
best bet so knowing the person as well as one
could would be the first step in being able to
treat that problem.
Karra: well sometimes that doesnít work.
Karra: sometimes you can offer and you can offer
and you can offer. For example, with the alcoholic
that we mentioned to start off withÖ
Karra: you offered and you offered and you offered
and what happened?
Russ: the addiction was too strong.
Karra: uh-huh. When Mark tried to help, even
though it was for a brief period, there was a
brief glimmer there. You see, sometimes it is
necessary to be very subtle. You can offer and you
can offer and you can offer but first of all it
has to be accepted and be made aware that the
offer is being made but it has to be done
Karra: and it takes a long, long, long time.
Sometimes you can do it the other way, by making
them cut off totally.....whatís your phrase for
cutting off totally?
Russ: cold turkey?
Karra: doing it that way. Sometimes, and this is
one of the more effective ways, it is best to do
it first of all get the self-esteem going and then
cut off, the subtle approach with a harsh approach
at the appropriate time. This is certainly a very
effective way that works quite well. More
Russ: what about withÖ..
Karra: she has big feet.
Russ: yes she does. Giving them aÖ..because you
donít want them to depend on you, you want them to
depend on themselves more than anything else.
Karra: to start off with they may need to depend
Russ: true but then that just replaces the
Karra: yes but itís a much easier addiction to
Karra: something that by taking away the harsh
addiction and having an addiction of depending on
somebody is better than having a destructive
addiction. That is the first step, you take away
the destructive one for one that is less
destructive, that is easier to deal with and
address and you keep on progressing up and up and
up. By replacing the addiction with the addiction
of needing somebody's company is the first step.
An example is, letís say you have somebody that
relies on you that that youíve replaced their
alcoholic addiction from......
Karra: and they want to around 24 hours a day.
Karra: and you say to them, "look, Iíve got to go
to the shops to buy food otherwise we donít eat,
come with me". You take them to the shops, you're
getting them out and you're getting them
interested and interacting with other things.
Supposing they donít want to go to the shops? You
go, "okay you stay here, I will be back as quickly
as I can, I promise you I will not leave". You
arrive at the shops, you call, "just wanted to
check and make sure youíre alright, Iíll be home
as quickly as I can, Iím just going into the shop
right now". As soon as you come out you call, tell
them, "got the groceries, got you something
special, got you a bar of chocolate, got you a
video to watch, got you some music to listen to,
got you your favorite food, got you your favorite
coffee brand, got you your favorite soft drink".
First step and you can go through this and
gradually you increase the time that youíre away.
You call frequently to start off with and then
gradually less frequently and less frequently and
youíre getting them to rely more and more on
themselves. It may take two months, it may take
six months, it may take a year, it may take even
longer but you are weaning them off of the second
Russ: well right now it seems that there is more
social pressure on addictions, especially smoking
than there ever has been before.....
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: to where I know very few smokers who havenít
tried or arenít trying to quit.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes, itís a very addictive
substance. Do you know what is more addictive than
Karra: heroin gets you hooked quicker.
Russ: you mean cocaine?
Russ: yeah I know but more addictive?
Karra: there is nothing more addictive.
Karra: uh-huh. The failure rate of people getting
off of heroin is lower than people quitting
smoking for the first time. People trying to get
off heroin the first time succeed at a higher rate
than first-time smokers trying to quit.
Russ: hmm, I didnít know that.
Russ: so actually this thing we were talking
about, this nicotine and air mix or whateverÖ.
Russ: that could be a viable product in the future
Karra: it could be, could be. So, let us round out
on this dissertationÖ..
Karra: and this discussion. Okay, let us address
addictions, theyíre bad. No two ways about it,
theyíre bad but, sometimes they do have benefits
if they are controlled. To help somebody, you have
to do things that are hard. To go through the
experience is hard but they serve a purpose of
learning how to deal with situations. The key to
dealing with the situations is listening and
offering and self-love, creating that self-love.
Any more questions hon?
Russ: just a song Iíd like to sing for you.
(Russ badly sings an old "James and Bobby Purify"
"Pull my string and Iíll dance for you, Iím your
Karra: youíre not my puppet.
(Russ starts laughing)
Russ: I know darling, I got a laugh out of that
Karra: uh-huh, see you later hon.
Russ: bye love.
(Tia returns to let Omal make his comments)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, I better put on the official person but
before I do that I need to address something.
(drinks from a cup nearby)
Tia: what is with his throat?
Russ: I think he's just smoking.
Russ: back to cigarettes again.
Tia: yeah I think so.
Russ: itís more harmful to it.
Tia: yeah probably, okay.
Russ: all right.
(Omal gives his input on the
dissertation of Karra's)
Omal: okay Russ, let us go over Karraís
dissertation. Iím not a healer. Let us look
closely at what she is saying. She is in essence
following on from where I left off.
Omal: she is pursuing a avenueÖ..I donít know if
it is deliberate, I do not know if anybody in my
department, my administrative department is
leaking my dissertationsÖÖthis is the second time
that sheís done it and I think it is great. If
they are then they will not get into trouble and
be penalized for this. What is going on is
beneficial. It could be karmic that Karra and
myself are traveling along the same path at the
moment. Certainly she seems to be giving more
information on dealing with medical healing as
well as physical and mental healing. It wouldnít
surprise me if she starts dealing with spiritual
healing next. Healing is not just taking care of
the physical body. You can fix a physical body but
you can also have to fix the mind and with that a
well-rounded out healer should be able to fix the
spiritual problems or at least be able to address
them. So, Karra is pursuing a path very similar to
mine at the moment. Thatís all I can really add at
this time. Let me quickly run down over our
transcript........the comments about, yes, she
does have a big feet, you can probably strike that
but that is between you and Karra (we kept it).
That is about it, Karraís reference to dovetailing
nicely with my dissertation we can keep and
rounding out, you two might want to get together
when you are editing this and enlarge and clear up
the vagueness in that. It strikes me as being a
little vague in places. You might want to enlarge
the section a little on that.
Russ: all right, thank you.
Omal: live long, prosper and I will be back.
(Tia starts the end of another
awesome channeling session by reading a letter
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: okay, how much tape do we have?
Russ: five minutes.
Tia: okay, itís just us.
Tia: next week we will have the monster back. Let
me see.....oh I know, good job I transcribed some
Tia: okay, it readsÖÖmy transcription this
isÖ.."Hello Kiri, hello Tia, hello Mark, hello
Russ, hello Karra and anyone else I missed, big
hug to all the Cubs, Alex and Leonedies, David,
Michael, Klarra, etc., etc., etc.. Doing well,
sound and safe, very tired, lucky to be whole and
in one piece and enjoying my chance to rest and
unwind as best as I can. Donít worry, Iím
perfectly safe, Iím not going to do anything
stupid, promise to come back in one piece more or
less. The idea of returning in a body bag is not
my idea of fun and I guarantee that I will do my
"ÖÖ..why in the hell did I put that in there? "I
will do my best to return in one piece and not in
a messed up, intimate state." I think thatís about
the best way to word what she put down or rather
what she said. Itís one of the things of
transcribing directly is that you you put in
exactly what people say. "I am sad at the loss of
so many good friends and comrades but such is the
price of keeping oneís oath. When I come back
Russ, watch yourself, I will give you a
demonstration on swordplay you will never forget.
Love, hugs, kisses"ÖÖpretty much the rest of it
was to Kiri, myself and Mark.
Russ: well thatís a good little shot from her.
Russ: wherever she was.
Tia: well this was the first one that we got.
Tia: okay, got any questions to round out this
Russ: not so much, just.......oh yeah, did Kiri go
talk to Sarah for a while?
Tia: thatís where she is at the moment.
Russ: oh thatís where sheÖ...
Tia: sheís up the monastery. She leaves on
Thursday or Friday, I donít know, Mark keeps those
things straight in his head. She will be back on
Sunday night so I assume that she will be leaving
Russ: so how is Leonedies getting along there?
Tia: we havenít heard directly from her since she
arrived at the monastery, all's we got was,
"arrived safely, will call when I leave."
Tia: they donít do much in the way of external
communication except for emergency purposes and
Tia: probably the biggest offender of using their
communication system for, as Omal would put it
frivolous chitchat, is Kiri and Karraís
Russ: for good reason.
Tia: oh yeah.
Tia: followed very closely by Sarah herself but
everything seems to be all right. She did some of
the disc on the dispatch from their leaving which
we do have where she complained about the rain and
Leonedies misbehaving himself on the hike and so
on. And I believe she covered that in the call
that she made as well.
(the trip was channeled more fully by Kiri in a podcast from July
Tia: I have to talk to Mark about that, he keeps
track of things like that you know. Let me see,
thatís about everything.
Russ: well thatís good.
Russ: I'm glad sheís doing well.
Russ: kind of quiet without her around.
Tia: yes it is quiet, I miss her. Iíve got nobody
to wrestle with.
Russ: yeah I can imagine, well Leahís there.
Tia: yeah but itís not quite the same you know?
Itís not that connectedness.
Tia: and Leahís missing Leonedies.
Russ: they have gotten closer.
Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, itís just one of those things.
Russ: thatís good, whereís Leah tonight?
Russ: whereís Leah tonight?
Tia: sheís probably helping Mark settle the Cubs
Russ: oh, Mark finally made it there?
Tia: uh-huh, about 20 minutes or so ago.
Russ: well Iím glad to hear he might be going back
Tia: uh-huh, I think thatís great as well.
Tia: itís all up in the air and everything.
Russ: he needs more activity.
Tia: oh I think so too. I mean spending all that
time with the head gardener or what did he call
Russ: the Man With the Can.
Tia: yes, thatís a good one, the Man With the Can.
Actually, he would make a great guest speaker if I
can get him to do so, the Man With the Can.
Russ: yeah he would wander a bit though wouldn't
Tia: yes, but picking through would beÖ.
THE TAPE ENDS