Archivist Notes: This session coincided with a celebration on the base at the time and so drinking was taking place by some of the girls on the base. Unfortunately a large continent of guests also showed up and so the plans that had been in place needed to be postponed. Instead, a very inebriated Tia starts off a night of firsts; the first and only time I remember excessive drinking going on during a channeling session by individuals on the base and the first time someone had so bad an accident where bones were actually broken. Unfortunately the tape quality was not as clear as could have been hoped due to some static and a radio broadcast for the first part of side one that bled through when hearing the playback it has been cleaned up the best it can be.

   Our tipsy ring mistress starts things off by answering a question on her duties as ring mistress. This provides an inside look at how she sets things up for the channeling sessions, something that had formally been a mystery. Karra next gets things back on more sober ground to answer questions from our youngest guest, a healer in training named Velvet who received some great answers from best qualified person in the room. She gets into a discussion on the dark and light sides of everyone and how that is a necessary thing before going into the ancient healing practice of using honey and why one would have used that to heal. That leads to a discussion on ancient races and their ability to survive into the present. She finishes up on the things she did as a medic to sterilize items while out in the field just before she has to put her healing skills to use for a sudden emergency. Kiri takes her place and gets into a classic engineering test she had given Mark and myself, transport an egg 100 feet using balsa and rubber bands. She manages to hook Skip into the project before the tape ends.

    On side two, Kiri finishes up her instructions before handing off to Omal who immediately faces a question on the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza which he was witness to from monitors on the base. Because of that overview provided a higher dimension, details on the construction taking place at the time give a glimpse back to a time before the rise of Egypt's old kingdom. He next gets my research on a quest he had posed to me the week before to find a thing connecting the three cultures of the Hebrews, the Egyptians and the gypsies. The surprising result speaks to the power of an object if power is perceived to be held by that object. I next ask him to tackle the question of who was the real father of Jesus since he was also watching that through the monitors and for help with a theory of how the Hebrews fed themselves for so many years. His answer solves a major hole in the theory. We wraps up his time with suggestions on what to work on after seeing last weeks meta-concert practice. Kiri comes on to ask me a question Karra asked her to find out why I was unsure of some new energies Mark had invited to be a part of the household but were very ancient in the aspect those energies took. That then brings up gods and goddesses and
how to work with them should those kinds of energies be called upon. One revelation confirmed is how those energies as well as devic energies go all the way back to Atlantis. Karra ends side two with a synopsis of how Lyka managed to break her nose and how best I can help Mark in his working with a goddess.

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SIDE ONE

(Tia comes on as ring mistress but will need to be replaced soon)

Tia: rock ‘n roll, yes.............uh-huh?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: can you guys do an energy check on this pyramid, make sure it’s working?

Tia: it’s not aligned properly.

Russ: that’s what I was afraid of. Okay, let me set this, I see the problem.

Tia: what is the problem?

Russ: it’s just off-center, magnetic.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it will just take a second.

Tia: Mr. busy huh?

Russ: that’s me.

Tia: make him work for a living right?

Russ: okay, we’re set.

Tia: okay, right......uh-huh?

Velvet: there’s three people.

Tia: yes I know there’s three people, I can hear each one of you breathing.

Velvet: I know but there’s three people missing.

Tia: yes I know there’s three people missing, there’s two of them sitting over there and there’s one hovering around somewhere. Okay, okay…..down to business......

Russ: okay.

Tia: business and entertainment, questions first. How’s it going Skip?

Skip: it’s just fine.

Tia: deep into that book huh?

Skip: I’m sorry?

Tia: deep into a book huh?

Skip: yeah, it’s like the third one I’ve devoured this month.

Tia: were you that hungry?

Skip: yeah for…

Tia: for knowledge.

Skip: you got it.

Tia: you’ll have to excuse me, I’m a little bit over bubbly.

Skip: can you see what that is?

Tia: I can’t read English very well.

Skip: "The Magic of Thinking Big."

Tia: ahh, yes think big, big as possible.

Skip: bigger than that.

Tia: think of something really big. Velvet, think of something really, really big.

Velvet: money.

Tia: okay, think of something even bigger.

Velvet: bigger than money? I would say knowledge.

Tia: oh aren't we being very literal and esoteric tonight? Let me put my glasses on and I will try to look like a professor.

Russ: she’s got you there. All right darling, question for you.

Tia: uh-huh?

Russ: now during our channeling sessions when you’re the ring mistress….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you’re always helping to maintain the focus of where the attentions are.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: i.e. having fun or with others up there getting serious.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now our focus is at all times important for learning correct?

Tia: correct.

Russ: so how is it that you are arranging people and focusing subjects to make the learning more……?

Tia: because they give me a rough idea on what they’re going to be talking about…hello…..and I then figure out how they will fit in and how they work together and weave together and of course they work with me as well.......

Russ: right.

Tia: so that it weaves together nice and smoothly.

Russ: so is there any kind of particular pattern you’re trying to maintain?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what?

Tia: a pattern of relevancy to each individual subject and how they link and follow on to the next. Nine times out of ten, they follow on.

Russ: what about the other night when you had Korton and Ashtar and Omal and…..

Tia: well I put them in……

Russ: how did you figure that one out?

Tia: I put those on in succession, who was the most important.

Russ: oh I see, now important being judged by yourself as those with a higher consciousness level?

Tia: no, by what they had to discuss and also in the chain of command.

Russ: chain of command ahh, that’s kind of what I had in mind.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it seemed more or less like chain of command then.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now how are you planning on doing this evening? Just so I can get an example of what you're......how this works, i.e……..

Tia: okay, what we will have on is we will do a brief meta-concert with a outside observer and then we will discuss various topics that will be brought up and address necessary things......you’ll have to excuse me, I’m having difficulty with my words tonight.

Russ: okay, well I’d like you then in this case since you’re the ring mistress…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: to assist me in my learning and our learning by helping me label these tapes.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what would be tonight’s tape’s…….

Tia: meta-concert.

Russ: meta-concert. We have a tape called that, something like meta-concert number two?

Tia: enlarged meta-concert.

Russ: enlarged meta-concert, good, I’ll put that down as the tape’s name then.

Tia: uh-huh and fortunately I won't be conducting anything to do with the meta-concert.

Russ: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: this should be good, just had practice since last week?

Tia: yeah, you’ll have to excuse me.

Russ: no that’s alright, you’re in the pyramid tonight?

(a structure in the yard of Kiri, Tia's and Mark's apartment on the base)

Tia: yeah.

Russ: okay, all right enlarged meta-concert.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Tia: what brand of wine is that you’re drinking?

Russ: oh I'm drinking some warm Chardonnay.

Tia: oh it’s not a Sirian claret? Very nice vintage.

Russ: very nice vintage.....

Tia; sorry.

Russ: I've tried many a bottle yes.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay Skip, do you have a question?

Skip: me, no?

Tia: why not?

Skip: I’m just listening.

Tia: okay. Velvet.......

Velvet: what?

Tia: do you have a question?

Velvet: tonight I only have a question for Kiri and Karra.

Tia: okay, Shane?

Shane: huh?

Tia: do you have a question? You’re an astral traveler aren’t you? Hmm yes.

Shane: no.

Russ: I have two questions.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: when are we doing our astral travel tape?

Tia: soon.

Russ: okay great, I can’t wait for that

Tia: uh-huh, four actually.

Russ: and the other one is in myself going to be tuning this pyramid hopefully tomorrow…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what am I looking to do here, just get in and out of it?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: astrally?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I just tune it too.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay.

Russ: all right, rock and roll.

Tia: yeah okay.

Velvet: Tia, I have one question.

Tia: uh-huh.

Velvet: who are you going to put on next?

Tia: ahh, Karra.

Velvet: yes.

---

(A rather sober sounding Karra comes on to get things a bit more serious.)

Karra: hello everybody.

Velvet: hi Karra.

Russ: hello.

Velvet: hello.

Karra: hello Skip.

Skip: good evening.

Karra: oh, are you going somewhere Shane? And hello Russ.

Russ: good evening my love.

Karra: how’s it going dear?

Russ: I’m doing as best as I can.

Karra: yes, you’ll have to excuse Tia.

Russ: that’s all right, what was she all giddy about tonight?

Karra: about four glasses of wine I think.

Russ: good, I hope I can catch up with her.

Karra: she was half smashed.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, you have a question for me Velvet.

Velvet: yep, a question about healing.

Karra: okay.

Velvet: can we healers…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Velvet: take another healer’s energy away if they fight back?

Karra: it depends on what you mean by fighting back, physical fighting no.

Velvet: no, I’m talking about healing powers.

Karra: healing powers. Why would you want to fight another healer?

Russ: sounds like contradiction in terms.

Karra: exactly.

Velvet: no, well you’re trying to take a healer’s energy away, another healers and they’re trying to take your energy away, what do you do?

Karra: it doesn’t work that way.

Velvet: it doesn’t?

Karra: no, healers don’t take…..do not fight over energy. They share energy if necessary. One healer will help another healer but they will not fight each other.

Velvet: so if one healer is low on energy….

Karra: you can then……

Velvet: and one’s on high?

Karra: you can blend the two together, if the weaker healer is stronger in his or her healing ability, she can then focus the energy of the weaker healer that is being used to help.

Velvet: okay, that sounds fair.

Karra: uh-huh but never fight over energy.

Velvet: okay, I just want to ask one question….

Karra: oh that’s all right.

Velvet: okay when you’re putting your hands on someone’s back and they start to get hot, are you giving them energy or are you taking….?

Karra: it depends on which part you doing it. If you're pumping energy......

Velvet: on your back, you’re right here on this part.

Karra: yes.

Skip: shoulders.

Velvet: shoulders? Shoulder blades, what should you do?

Karra: well it depends…..

Velvet: is it are you taking the energy away?

Karra: if you’re taking away the hurt, then you are taking away the energy that’s creating the hurt. If you are making them feel better and stronger, you’re pumping the energy in.

Velvet: now Linda said something about light to light.

Karra: uh-huh.

Velvet: what is that?

Karra: light energy.

Velvet: light energy, when one light touches another…….

Karra: it makes it brighter.

Velvet: uh-huh and she said when it comes out, you go, (breathes deeply) and that’s when you see the light.

Karra: that’s a very odd way to describe it but basically what you’re doing is you’re pumping your light energy because you give off light which can be called an aura.

Velvet: an aura?

Karra: aura.

Velvet: aura?

Karra: yes.

Velvet: what’s that?

Karra: it’s an energy field that surrounds you that is light.

Velvet: I have another book, Mark gave my mom a book on chrakras and the human energy fields.

Russ: chakras.

Karra: chakras.

Velvet: chakras and the human energy fields.

Karra: uh-huh.

Velvet: what is that about?

Karra: it’s about points of energy spread throughout the body that can be used for healing and other purposes. Okay Skip, as a healer, do you have a question?

Skip: no but my powers getting stronger.

Karra: uh-huh, why is that?

Skip: because my attitude is changing.

Karra: that’s part of the key, if you’re negative, then the energy is suppressed. As you become more and more positive, you become stronger and stronger.

Skip: my attitude’s totally changed.

Karra: that’s good, you've become stronger and stronger in a spiritual form as well as a physical form.

Skip: uh-huh, because I’m not the same person that you met six, eight months ago.

Karra: no, you were a very dark individual at that point.

Skip: (chuckles)

Russ: somewhat dark and unfocused.

Karra: uh-huh and now you’re laughing which is is a positive laugh.

Russ: and you’ve got your focus back.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now you know where you’re going with it.

Skip: yep, indeed.

Russ: it definitely shows.

Skip: do something that makes me feel even better.

Russ: what’s that?

Skip: become rich and famous.

Karra: you're already are rich and famous Skip.

Skip: I mean to the rest of the world.

Karra: ahhh…..

(Skip laughs)

Karra: you’re talking about fiscal wealth.

Skip: yes, yes, yes. Getting tired of being mediocre.

(someone comes into the room)

Russ: I have a suggestion.....

Karra: hello, hello and hello.

Velvet: hello.

Karra: how’s it going mistress healer?

Skip: no, my attitude has changed completely since we first started having these sessions.

Karra: oh that’s good. Now, all the healers put their hands up and wave them. Sorry, just my way of having fun and it's also a statement of point. How many healers are in the room?

Velvet: five.

Karra: uh-huh, so there’s a lot of healers all in one place.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: which means that there should be no ailments or illnesses in this room at all.

Skip: that’s right.

Karra: uh-huh, yes it is strong energy isn’t it?

Linda T: uh-huh.

Karra: okay, any questions?

Russ: first off, how’s that pyramid set up, okay?

Karra: it’s still slightly off but it’s manageable.

Russ: okay, I see the problem.

Karra: okay?

Russ: it’s an exact science, I know.

Karra: yes, like healing is an exact science.

Russ: correct, we’ll try that and see if that works.

Skip: question.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I want to find out if my dark side is disappearing.

Karra: no, it gets suppressed.

Skip: I’m sorry?

Karra: it gets suppressed, it doesn’t disappear, it just gets suppressed by good. Everybody has a dark side, everybody.

Linda T: Karra, isn’t it true that a dark side is not really a dark side, it’s only a misunderstood emotion or thought?

Karra: it’s a politically correct way of putting it I suppose. It is a mischievous side that behaves in a way that is unrepressed and self-centered and no morals, no values, it’s dark.

Linda T: right, no integrity.

Karra: yes........and everybody has it, some to a lesser and some to a greater.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: but it can be harnessed and used sometimes. It is always there to remind us of what we could be if we weren’t so moralistic and I don’t mean that in a good sense.

Russ: right.

Linda T: Karra?

Karra: uh-huh?

Linda T: learning to be one with each one of those aspects of yourself and in that way that you want to change or transform to the cosmic vibration.

Karra: yes, it’s a reminder, it’s a reminder.

Linda T: oh.

Karra: uh-huh but it serves a function. Could you imagine…….

Linda T: a great function right?

Karra: yeah if you want to. Could you imagine somebody that has no negative vibrations whatsoever?

Linda T: that wouldn't be too realistic.

Skip: that be perfect.

Russ: no it would be hell.

Skip: no I said they would be perfect.

Linda T: right.

Karra: they would be too good to be true.

Skip: that’s right.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: they’d be perfect and there is no such a thing.

Karra: no, everybody that I know, every entity makes mistakes from time to time.

Russ: yeah even Jesus had problems….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: being a healer.

Karra: yes, exactly.

Skip: my dad told me a little thing when I was just a little guy….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: that the person that didn’t make mistakes is the person that never done anything.

Karra: uh-huh, I think you told Kiri that last time.

Skip: I think so.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Skip: but it’s the truth, if you don’t do anything, you can’t make mistakes.

Karra: if you don’t do anything you’re quite right, can't make mistakes. Okay, next question.

Russ: okay the Egyptians at the height of their medical science were skilled at surgery and also in the use of honey for healing in the fact that they found out that honey inhibits the growth of bacteria and also draws water from the cells. Now why does honey do this, I never even heard of this before?

Karra: it’s because of the molecular structure and the density and viscosity of the material. It also has certain properties that are quite frequently overlooked. One of the contents is natural sugar, a natural sweetener which acts as a preservative and in essence gives the microorganisms or bacteria a lot of food to feed on. They overfeed, they overindulge and what happens when something overeats and overindulges?

Skip: they die.

Karra: exactly.

Russ: okay, so when using this in herbology….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: honey actually has a very good role in herbology as far as being able to.....let’s say somebody cuts themselves, sealing it off by pouring honey on the wound.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: let’s say you're at the time when you don’t have any hydrogen peroxide, you’re out in the woods….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: someone cuts themselves and all you’ve got is a jar of honey.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: just pour some honey on the wound?

Karra: clean the wound first.

Russ: okay.

Karra: yeah, honey is always used for more beneficial things than just a cut.

Russ: like what?

Karra: like mixing it into things if you make a poultice.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh I see what you mean, for like a skin ulcer or something.

Karra: correct.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: it could also work for sun burns.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: sun burn?

Skip: yes.

Karra: don’t forget to make it nice and viscous so you can baste yourself with it. See, having so many healers grouped together in one place all at the same time you can actually get down to real healing business.

Russ: ahh.

Skip: well doesn’t some of the commercial lotions….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: have honey additives in them?

Russ: really?

Skip: yes they do, wheat germ and honey.

Russ: wow.....see, learn something new every night.

Karra: yeah, that’s the most useful advantage of having so many healers together is you can sit down and trade ideas.

Skip: you see now I've remembered a lot of things that I was taught when I was a little boy that my grandmother used as home remedies per se.

Karra: and your grandmother was a pioneer lady right?

Skip: more or less yes, more or less.

Karra: uh-huh, so she would have knowledge of how to survive on the…..

Skip: natural things in and around the country we lived in which like a bee sting, if you take tobacco and wet it you put it on, it will draw the bee sting out.

Shane: you know what else will work?

Karra: huh?

Shane: is a leaf and the ground, you take the earth in a tree and you take the grass and the leaf and you mix them together and you take the stinger out.

Skip: tobacco seems to do a real good job.

Shane: tobacco is up from the earth.(?)

Linda T: it’s true, it's right, it's exactly right.

Karra: that it’s a leaf, uh-huh.

Skip: it’s a leaf.

Russ: never heard that before.

Skip: what? Tobacco to pull out a bee sting?

Russ: I mean either one of those two I’ve never heard of before.

Linda T: oh yeah...

Russ: you know? I just suffered you know?

Linda T: or if you get bit by a spider or any kind of poison snake, anything poison, it’ll suck it right out.

Skip: yeah, tobacco will pull it, it’ll pull it.

Karra: and tying in with this, how much percentage Indian are you Skip?

Skip: about 25%.

Karra: but Russ is what? You're.....

Russ: I'm about an eighth yeah.

Karra: uh-huh, so between all the people of room, we probably got about half a percent….

Russ: almost three quarters of an Indian.

Karra: yeah....

Russ: we're missing a link.

Karra: yeah, between the three people that are of Indian descent, I’m sure you could come up with some old Indian medicines that you can work together with and this is a prime example with herbology and the uses of tobacco, it’s not all bad Russ.

Skip: there's a lot a natural vegetables, weeds and so on and so forth that have healing powers.

Russ: hey by the way, the Hebrew people…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: upon leaving Egypt and before Egypt, had a degree of keeping a cleanliness that wasn’t even equaled up until our modern times.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I mean no one around them even came close to what these guys.......and it was….

Karra: are you sure?

Russ: pretty sure.

Karra: you mean in their area or on your planet?

Russ: in their area.

Karra: ahh okay, yeah.

Linda T: what type of a cleanliness?

Karra: well for example, they'd change clothes if they were in an area where there was communicable disease and they were treating it, washing wounds.......

Linda T: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean everybody else took healing and they basically treated it as a mystic kind of thing and they asked their gods to heal or the priests would heal but the Hebrew people took all that religious stuff and threw it out the window and just took everything they learned from the people around them and used that strictly, logically as what worked and they healed with just that.

Karra: and that’s an example of why as a race they have survived so long.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: I mean how old is the Hebrew race?

Russ: it's close to 3,000, 4,000 years old.

Karra: close to 4,000.

Russ: right.

Karra: what’s the next oldest race?

Russ: that would be the Mayans maybe?

Skip: Egyptians, wouldn’t it?

Russ: Egyptians aren't really a race anymore.

Karra: neither are the Mayans.

Russ: right, well there are Mayans, there are......

Laura: the Mayans that survived.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh the Chinese.

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh okay, right and the Chinese had a degree of cleaning also that was very big on cleanliness.

Karra: that’s right.

Russ: oh, I see.

Linda T: both aspects are true.

Karra: uh-huh.

Linda T: it’s the same as that when you get a spiritual healing and doctors who work from a third dimensional place of operation, both aspects are necessary….

Karra: yes.

Linda T: it’s them learning to work together in harmony that the earth needs to learn.

Karra: and that’s why I’m so happy, almost ecstatically happy that we have so many healers together in one place. It is a prime example of healers coming together to exchange ideas.

Russ: uh-huh. Well when we’re coming up into our future here where things will need to be more understood as what works because let’s say you can’t get to a doctor…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: then again we get right back down to where the Hebrews started from.

Karra: correct and relearning how to set bones, how to deal with herbology, how to deal with the importance of cleanliness, you learn all the basics that have been taken for granted. For example, how do you sterilize a room?

Linda T: you need to rise the vibrations.

Karra: we're talking about just practical cleaning….

Linda T: cleaning it?

Russ: for like a surgery or something?

Karra: yeah, for a surgery.

Linda T: disinfect it.

Russ: take the carpets out?

Karra: you use boiling, hot water, as hot as possible.

Russ: what do you do about the carpets?

Karra: remove the carpets. You get anything that could bring in infections or negative vibrations or parasites, get them out.

Russ: you mean wash the walls and everything?

Linda T: yeah.

Karra: everything, top to bottom and where do you start cleaning?

Russ: on the ceiling.

Karra: correct and you work your way down.

Skip: yeah, you have to.

Karra: uh-huh, because it’s no good starting on the floor because the heat going up will create a huge environment for the microbes on the ceiling and they will fall back down to the floor. So you get every possible contaminant out of the room. Felines, feline hair, other people…

Linda T: that goes for thoughts, emotions and actions.

Karra: uh-huh, now here’s an interesting thought, what is the best person to have as a doctor, as a healer?

Russ: someone you know?

Karra: no, somebody that has knowledge certainly, that's important but the best person to be a healer and the most sterile is a lady that is ovulating. And now this is because when a lady ovulates or a woman ovulates, it’s because to be at the perfect stage to receive a child, they have to be sterile. I’m not saying sterile as in the expert way, I’m saying as in cleanliness sterile.

Skip: hmmm.

Russ: oh I see, okay.

Karra: so at that point, that point when a lady is ovulating or a woman or a young lady, she is as clean as she can be.

Russ: well when you were doing surgery in the field back when you were in the army……

(part of the Sirian Defense Force who helped out 3rd dimensional worlds where the path to a higher dimension was blocked)

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: how did you deal with the un-antiseptic environments you are in?

Karra: I just told you, I just told you, boiling hot water.

Russ: oh you just boil everything and just do the tents and everything.

Karra: tents, everything.

Skip: you got to do the instruments, bandages, the whole works, everything needs to be boiled.

Karra: yep, we used to take the tent down and we used to boil it.

Russ: boil the whole tent?

Karra: the whole tent.

Skip: that’s the quickest way to do it.

Russ: sheesh.

Karra: and the poles, the poles would be cleansed with fire.

Russ: man, what kind of poles were you using?

Karra: well we were using metal poles.

Skip: the fire does, fire is a sterilizer too.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: but you can’t use fire on everything.

Karra: that’s right, can’t use it on wood.

Skip: that’s correct but you can use it on anything metal.

Karra: that’s right.

Laura: haven't you ever seen anybody burning the end of a blade to take a sliver out?

Russ: yeah, I’ve done it myself a few times sure.

Skip: and you never give it a thought.

Russ: well yeah, I knew that's why I was doing it......

Karra: c'mon Russ.

Russ: but I never thought of having a boil a tent.

Skip: why not?

Russ: I'd never find a pan big enough.

(everyone laughs)

Karra: it’s surprising how small a tent can get down to.

Skip: yes it is.

Russ: that’s good.

Karra: I have......if you come down to my lab Russ, you will see a pan that holds I think about 30 of your gallons?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: big tent will fit in there.

Russ: really?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, well I’m learning something new again, all right.

Skip: well that’s why I told you.

Russ: okay cool, thank you darling.

Karra: but mental thinking can also be a healing process. If you create a healing vibe or vibrations, you can heal things quite easy. That’s what we're always stressing the importance of.

Skip: well the positive attitude that I’m coming up with is making me feel better, consequently it’s easier for me to make other people feel better.

Karra: oh that’s good, having a positive external front can help tremendously.

Skip: have a what now?

Karra: a positive…..

Skip: oh yes, yes, yes okay right.

Karra: a positive demeanor.

Skip: attitude.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: that’s the word I was looking for, attitude.

Skip: inside and out, inside and out.

Karra: that’s right.

Skip: okay, in other words, project a positive attitude and still have that same positive attitude on the inside of you.

Karra: that’s right.

Skip: and it’s making it easier for me to perform or reach…..maybe not perform, that wouldn't be the right word…..how to reach other people and help them mentally and physically.

Karra: now I’m going to have to step out for a few minutes because I need to go and pick up a very drunken young lady that’s taking a nosedive and I shall be back shortly.

Laura: can I ask you a question though?

Russ: she’s got to cruise.

Laura: okay.

---

(Tia returns barely)

Russ: oh yeah you're right, never mind.

Tia: it’s not me.

Russ: yeah right, who took a nosedive?

Tia: Lyka.

(a member of the Sirian Defense Force)

Russ: Lyka took a nose dive?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh my God.

Tia: she was trying to stand on her hands.

Skip: oh God.

Russ: didn’t quite make it huh?

Tia: no, she’s got a bloody nose.

Skip: poor baby.

Shane: how many shots have you had tonight?

Tia: four.

Shane: that’s all it takes.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you’re on a roll darling.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: cool, well how’s it going?

Tia: it’s going fine.

Russ: okay, what’s the next session we’re working with here?

Tia: we’re going to put on the…….(Tia drifts off)

(everyone laughs)

Tia: sorry?

Skip: I think I better go down the hill.

Russ: well you don’t want to miss this.

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(Kiri takes over the ring mistress duties)

Kiri: she is absolutely smashed.

Russ: I guess.

Kiri: I think she’s had more than four.

Shane: it only takes four.

Russ: hi Kiri, how are you doing darling?

Kiri: I’m doing fine.

Russ: marvelous, better watch out for that pole there.

Kiri: it’s not a pole, it’s a Czech.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: Czechoslovakian, hello.

Velvet: hi.

Kiri: yo, yes Tia is quite tipsy.

Velvet: oh.

Kiri: okay…

Skip: all right.

Kiri: uh-huh, yes?

Russ: engineering questions sweetheart.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: eggs…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and the ability to move them a hundred feet.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay now, are there any outside rules I should know about before I go about taking time and money to design something that’s going to carry an egg a hundred feet?

Kiri: oh you’re going to spend money?

Russ: I’m going to spend money, I have to spend money to make this thing work. So before I spend time and money to do this…..it’s an engineering question she put to me and Mark, we have to design something that will take an egg a hundred feet and I have to know any rules before doing all this work….

Kiri: yes, the only power source allowed….

Russ: is a rubber band, three rubber bands.

Kiri: yeah, maximum.

Russ: three rubber bands maximum.

Kiri: hey you want to participate Skip?

Russ: I can do it, I’ve got the plans in my head, I just have to know if there’s any rules that will negate the plans I’ve got in my head.

Kiri: no, don't forget, it’s got to be all........

Russ: balsa.

Kiri: balsa.

Russ: well now that’s a question I wanted to ask you here….

Kiri: okay, balsa, glue.

Russ: balsa and glue.

Kiri: yes and of course you need nails and stuff to pin the wheels on if you’re going to pin the wheels on there or if you're going to need nails to hold the rubber bands.

Russ: now…..

Kiri: you want to participate, you want to do this? Come on, you’ve got until the end of September. Skip, you’re in on it.

Laura: he can do this.

Russ: you’ll have a great time with this dude.

Kiri: Skip, you’re in on it, you want to participate?

Russ: nails, balsa, glue and rubber bands.

Skip: three rubber bands, 30 yards.

Kiri: thank you.

Skip: use balsa and glue, rubber bands and wheels.

Russ: nails.

Kiri: nails.

Russ: and wheels.

Kiri: uh-huh, well, wheels made out of balsa.

Russ: wheels made out of balsa right.

Skip: yeah I’ll take up the challenge, I will take up that challenge.

Kiri: there is no prize apart from the prize of being the best.

Skip: I will take up that challenge.

Kiri: okay and I’m the official judge.

Skip: and you want to transport an egg 300…..

Laura: 100....

Russ: 100 feet.

Kiri: well if you want to do 300 feet, certainly, let’s up the ante a little bit.

Skip: 30 yards, 30 yards, a hundred feet.

Kiri: a hundred feet.

Skip: 30 yards.

Russ: uh-huh.

Velvet: a hundred yards.

Skip: yeah, I’ll take up that challenge.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: yes I will.

Kiri: end of September okay? And we’ll have a special channeling session for that.

Russ: this should be a good....how is Mark be able to participate and have you channeling?

Skip: now okay, question, question, question......

Kiri: uh-huh?

Skip: raw egg or hard-boiled?

Kiri: raw.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: raw egg.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: and at the end we will break the eggs and make an omelet.

Russ: if they don’t break first.

Kiri: that’s right, that will be the reward that the person that wins gets the omelet.

Laura: who’s cooking?

Kiri: the losers.

Russ: and there’s no time right? No certain time limit?

Kiri: no time, no time.

Russ: okay, so as long as it gets there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Does it have to be a straight course or can it veer off here and there as long as it makes……

Kiri: as long as it makes it to the hundred yards, hundred yard marker.

Russ: how are you going to mark that out?

Skip: hundred feet marker.

Kiri: a hundred feet marker yeah, well you've get a tape measure that goes a hundred feet.

Shane: I don’t

Skip: yeah I do.

Russ: you do?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: okay.

Skip: I’ve got a hundred foot tape.

Russ: we can use it.

Skip: now....

Kiri: yeah sure.

Skip: by you veering, you’re going to travel more than a hundred feet partner.

Russ: yeah well I’m taking that into account. In my head I got this planned out, I just don't know what's going to happen until I put this into action.

Skip: let's see.....yeah, I'll take up that challenge.

Kiri: okay, right.

Russ: boy this is going to be a real challenge now.

Kiri: uh-huh, I think Mark’s going to have a workout as well.

Velvet: okay Karra?

Kiri: no, Kiri.

Velvet: Kiri, sorry.

Kiri: uh-huh?

Velvet: can you put Karra back on? I have a question.

Kiri: well she’s dealing with somebody that has a nose bleed at the moment.

Shane: who do I ask about ancient unknown?

Kiri: sorry?

Shane: ancient unknown?

Kiri: agent unknown?

Russ: ancient.

Shane: ancient unknown.

Kiri: oh, I’ve only had two glasses of wine, I’m fine.

Shane: oh, someone who like knows a lot about ancient stuff?

Kiri: yeah Omal definitely and he happens to be cruising around at the moment so when he heads in this general direction and our drunken ring mistress is going……and I’m not surprised that she hasn’t fallen over.

Shane: who’s Omal?

Kiri: Omal? He’s the base commander.

Shane: does he know about engineering?

Kiri: does he know?

Russ: Omal’s the man, he knows everything.

Shane: can I ask him about it?

Russ: uh-huh.

Shane: okay.

Kiri: Omal is ancient and unknown. How’s the tape doing over there?

Russ: two points for Kiri. We're doing good darlin’, we’ve got all of about two minutes.

Kiri: two minutes on this side, good.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay we're also, due to the fact that our ring mistress is totally inebriated, going to go….(snick)

Skip: snockered.

Kiri: with the meta-concert. She didn’t make any sense whatsoever did she?

Russ: yes she did, she said you’re going to direct the meta-concert and…..

(Kiri laughs and then Skip laughs)

Russ: that’s what she said, I’m just repeating what she said okay? I said, “is Kiri going to direct it?" She says, “yeah”. I said, “okay great, again?”

Kiri: if you would've ask her if she was going to direct it she would’ve probably said yeah.

Russ: well whatever, who’s directing it?

Kiri: oh we’re not going to do it.

Russ: we’re not going to do it?

Kiri: no because of the fact that Tia was meant to be one of the people monitoring it and she is wasted.

Russ: let’s talk responsibility.

(everybody laughs)

Velvet: Kiri?

Kiri: yes?

Velvet: are you the engineer?

Kiri: yes I am.

Velvet: do you have.......would Mark have any books for me, on engineering?

Kiri: he’s got things on how to build things.

Velvet: yeah, that’s what I want.

Shane: go to your county library.

Kiri: yes, county library, that is very important. The library and I owe you.

Skip: this is a question again.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Is there any configuration size limit to this?

Kiri: ummm......

Russ: I've got to know this too though see?

Kiri: yes, you do have a very good point. Okay rubber bands…

Skip: no, no, I say configuration.

Kiri: no configuration choice whatsoever.

Skip: size.

Russ: no limits.

Skip: no limit, okay all right.

Kiri: if you want to make it 20 feet long, go ahead, make it 20 feet long.

Russ: this should be interesting.

Kiri: if you want to make it that big so it's just big enough for the egg, make it that big.

Russ: I’m doing mine on my computer.

Skip: I don’t need a computer, I already got it figured out.

Kiri: Mark has a good design, I’ve seen it. I haven't given him any advice whatsoever…..

SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Kiri comes on to finish what she started)


Skip: we've had a good time tonight, we really have.

Kiri: you don’t know what bamboo is?

Russ: it has been a classic, yes.

Skip: yes, very good time tonight.

Kiri: it’s a very tall, thin……

Skip: this makes up for last week.

Kiri: yes it does.

Skip: yeah because last week was kind of a dud.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: don’t misunderstand me, I didn't mean......

Kiri: yeah, everybody was on a very strange energy level.

Skip: low ebb, low ebb, right, we all were.

Kiri: in fact, the technician has gone off to find Tia, we can hear in the bamboo somewhere but….

Russ: is Teene doing the technician tonight?

Kiri: yeah,

Russ: excellent.

Kiri: yes, she’s gone off to find Tia so we don’t have a technician at the moment.

Russ: we have personal technician though right?

Kiri: yeah, practically.

Shane: okay what’s bamboo again?

Kiri: bamboo? It is a grass.

Shane: what?

Russ: it’s a grass.

Kiri: it’s a grass.

Shane: oh yeah, huh.

Russ: it grows 9 feet, 20 feet…..

Shane: it’s a sugarcane.

Kiri: yeah, it’s like sugarcane. In fact sugarcane is a member of the grass family.

Shane: it is.

Kiri: uh-huh, now Russ there is a reason why I've included Skip.

Russ: I know you have, because he’s got engineering ideas that will help the whole project increase in its knowledge.

Kiri: that’s right and also something more important is because Skip will be accessing information he doesn't know he has. That is the key to it.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: actually I think we ought to make it a little bit harder just for Skip.

(everyone laughs)

Russ: I like that idea.

Kiri: but it would be unfair.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: okay no, I’m not going make it harder, it’s going to be a hundred feet, three rubber bands made out of balsa, nails ad glue.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: all right. That’s easy, that’s too easy.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: I already got it figured out.

Kiri: for the competition.

Russ: where are we going to hold this at, up here? Are you going to hold this up here?

Skip: where are we going to hold it? Yeah, where are we going to hold it?

Kiri: biggest area I can think of is just up the road.

Skip: where?

Russ: Heavenly parking lot?

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: Heavenly parking lot?

Kiri: uh-huh.

(a portion of the tape has been edited as Kiri erupted into a fit of giggles)

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(The base commander gets things back in order)


Russ: oh jeez.

Omal: greetings.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Velvet: greetings Omal.

Russ: you dragged her out of the chair huh?

Omal: yes, it seemed the best thing to do, otherwise she would’ve just sat there and giggled. Very interesting conversation that would’ve been.

Russ: indeed it would have, thank you for dragging her out.

Omal: okay, questions and answers.

Laura: (speaking to Shane.) this is Omal, you can ask him.

Shane: who?

Laura: yes, the guy you want to ask.

Russ: okay....

Omal: I am the person to ask on the unknown.

Shane: okay Omal.....

Laura: speak clearly please.

Shane: okay, it's about pyramids.

Omal: pyramids.

Shane: yeah.

Omal: okay.

Shane: well you know how they built pyramids…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Shane: how you can’t even stick a piece of paper through it?

Omal: uh-huh.

Shane: how do they do that?

Omal: they did it very cautiously and carefully by excavating the stones….

Shane: but…..

Omal: and by cutting to a predetermined measurable size......

Shane: they cut it almost perfect.

Omal: yes.

Shane: you can’t even fit a dime through there.

Omal: no, it is not so much the cutting as the fitting. That is how did they fit them, not how did they cut them, but how did they fit them? That is the question. How you fit something so precisely is by smoothing the edges and how would you do that in a desert environment?

Skip: sand them.

Omal: you have plenty of sand to send them with.

Skip: sure, sand them down.

Shane: how do you sand them with regular sand?

Skip: by putting it between rocks or using a board.

Velvet: Omal?

Omal: yes.

Velvet: does ancient mean old?

Omal: yes.

Shane: yeah.

Russ: Reader’s Digest in fact hired a construction company to determine what it would take to build the pyramids with today’s modern technology.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and working with that construction company, they came up with building it in twelve, 48 foot steps using cranes, trucks to carry the stones and everything with all the latest technology.......it would cost basically 20, no let’s see no, $300 million dollars…

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: it would take 3,000 men working day and night three years to build.

Shane: sheesh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: now there is a much easier way to get rocks smooth…

Skip: hmm?

Omal: than using sand, use a mixture of sand and water.

Shane: uh-huh.

Omal: Skip?

Skip: yes?

Omal: do you use that combination?

Skip: yeah you can use that combination and wet stones, we use it today.

Omal: correct, that is how you get them smooth to fit together. The sheer size of them, some of them I believe weigh up to 50 tons do they not?

Skip: I believe so, yeah I would think that’s correct.

Omal: the sheer weight would pressure them together to form a very, very tight fit. The construction is what gives it its tight fit.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: if you take sand and pile it, it makes a pyramid but it does not make a steep pyramid.

Skip: no, it just makes a mound.

Omal: correct, I believe the angles are constantly 45°.

Skip: no, it wouldn’t make 45°, it would be more like 30.

Omal: correct but to have steep angles, you need a lot of pressure to push in the blocks to form the perfect fit which is what they had.

Skip: uh-huh.

Omal: how that is achieved is by layering the rocks in a very particular way.

Shane: how did they do that?

Skip: well, it's to how they actually engineered it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: yeah because the engineering would be the secret to the whole thing.

Omal: correct, it is quite an easy thing to do once you know how.

Skip: yeah, hmm.

Omal: but things often are not as they appear when you look at architecture of that period and design.

Skip: actually them 50 ton blocks by putting sand and water between them, you could make them fit perfectly by moving them back and forth.

Omal: oh it is quite simple.

Russ: now as we know from our discussions with yourself, the blocks actually were lifted by psychokinesis…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: and placed into……(speaking to the group)....in other words, if I was to look at this microphone and pick it up with my mind up about 2 feet in the air, that would be psychokinesis.

Shane: what is that?

Skip: well it's people have developed their minds so that they can do that.

Russ: uh-huh, back then they had more mind control then you see in most people today.

Skip: well more people today are preoccupied with material things.

Russ: right so back then, certain people could be trained to be able to lift 50 ton blocks up in the air just with their minds.  

Omal: but it is necessary to focus on the engineering feat, not on the metaphysical skills due to the fact that your modern culture does not accept that, there is a different explanation.

Russ: okay, how did they get the blocks so smooth, with just sand and water then?

Omal: yes, pretty much so.

Russ: and then they lifted them with psychokinesis.

Omal: yes.

Russ: I see.

Shane: how long did it take them to build it?

Skip: probably quite a few years.

Omal: yes it was quite a few years.

Shane: about 40 or 50 years?

Omal: not quite that long, I should say it was closer to 30 but it was done in fits and starts, it wasn’t done continuously due to the environmental factors of the area such as rainy days that they could not work.

Russ: all right, now I’ve got a couple questions here that I want to work with you on while we have the time.

Omal: okay.

Russ: now last week we were discussing the subject of the correlation between the Hebrews, Egyptians and the gypsies……

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and what those three would be. Now so far in my trip to the library today, what I’ve come up with and what my personal library holds is that the main connecting key between all three is the tarot deck.

Omal: correct.

Shane: what’s a tarot deck?

Skip: it’s a deck of cards.

Russ: that's a deck of cards like this and the tarot deck is used to foretell the future, past……

Omal: the possibilities.

Russ: possibilities right. See that’s a tarot deck, that’s my personal deck. It's held up to 78 cards. Now the Hebrews use the Kaballah….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which in conjunction with the tarot deck forms a very powerful sort of we’ll call it magic….

Omal: yes.

Russ: until we come up with a better term. Now, in dealing with the book I’m working with now, there were certain layouts that were used that were more powerful than others.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now what I don’t understand is the ability of why, is that merely the focusing upon that layout?

Omal: correct, for the individuals, it is a set pattern that is very strong. If I was to tell you that a eight sided octagon was a very powerful object…

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: and I was tell you from very young that it was a very powerful object…

Russ: right.

Omal: it would become a very powerful object for you.

Russ yes indeed.

Omal: so therefore if you’re told when you’re learning something that something has a very strong spiritual significance and has a very powerful focusing effect, then it becomes so.

Russ: I see, okay.

Omal: why do you think something like this has a very strong powerful effect?

(Omal holds up a crystal ball sitting near Mark's body)

Russ: because the fact that we’ve been told it is.

Omal: that’s correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: why not this?

Russ: because the fact that that's merely an energy crystal.

Omal: correct, but you haven’t been told that it can become very powerful.

Russ: right.

Omal: a crystal ball has always because of its sheer difficultness to achieve has been special and so therefore it has spiritual significance.

Russ: so in this case we come to the question of knowledge….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and which knowledge we know and which knowledge we acknowledge as being powerful……

Omal: okay could you hold on with your questions for a second?

Russ: yes.

Omal: Shane?

Russ: Shane’s just left.

Omal: Shane just left, we still do not have a technician. He had some more questions that he wanted answered.

Russ: okay well it's just me and Skip for now I mean…

Omal: yes.

Russ: we’re kind a roughing with just the bare elements is all we got here.

Skip: yeah, right.

Omal: yes, everybody is bouncing up and down.

Skip: yeah right.

Russ: okay let me go on the next stuff.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay now, in the past according to Biblical Scripture, Jesus was conceived from Mary through an angel that visited her. Now as we know, angels were often described in the Bible as these visitors from God….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: but in our modern times we've learned that angels in the Bible often also concerned extraterrestrials…..

Omal: yes.

Russ: who were visiting the planet. So if we were to take this, then the conception was planned and executed from the very beginning to bring Jesus and his consciousness onto the planet.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so my question is, who was Jesus’ real father?

Omal: that has been hidden in the records.

Russ: ahh, so we’ll never find that one out unless we actually find it out ourselves.

Omal: correct, or ask him.

Russ: that would be a good question next time he happens to wander through our sessions.

Omal: huh-hmm.

Russ: okay. All right now....

Omal: yes, which I believe is about nine years away.

Russ: nine years? I can wait.

Skip: patience.

Omal: yes, patience.

Russ: okay, I’ll save this question for that point. Now here’s my next question. Okay, we already have established that all futures are possible…

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, then conversely, all pasts are possible.

Omal: all pasts have happened.

Russ: all pasts have happened, right. Now, does this affect the past life regressions that I did?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: because as a rule, a person will follow a particular line…

Russ: right.

Omal: following a particular sequencing......

Russ: okay.

Omal: but occasionally you will find individuals that have crossed from one to the other for reasons being such as needing the experience from a different timeline….

Russ: okay.

Omal: or parallel universe, that is possible in a different future........

Russ: past.

Omal: you will have to excuse me, I have just had a drunk young lady fall over me.

Russ: I was wondering why you said future when you meant past.

Omal: yes, I have this little….

(Russ laughs, Skip chuckles)

Omal: inebriated Durondedunn apologizing profusely.

Russ: well I would assume that was the problem that arose all of a sudden. Now then, to go on with this question…

Omal: yes?

Russ: is it only what our souls have perceived then that we are actually experiencing in our past lives?

Omal: that is correct, it is what the experience of the soul is prepared to reveal what is necessary for you to learn from at that time which has been discussed by yourself and others.

Russ: okay, now the soul which is with me now......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: remembers those past lives which I've experienced. Now the other question I have, am I connected to all those other aspects that have split off from that soul from those various times?

Omal: no.

Russ: no.

Omal: because how can a past life experience with other past lives of the same period of time? Crossing over would be a very confusing and very difficult and dangerous experience. It would be like having multiple personalities clashing all at the same time within one individual.

Russ: oh, like a "Sybil" kind of thing.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: I believe I do know that story.

Russ: right. All right so now basically when I do a past life regression….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and someone has done something but you know for a fact through historical records that somebody actually did that same thing but was another person is because of parallel lifetimes that you're seeing the conflict there.

Omal: we do not have access to parallel timelines due the fact that we are already on those parallel timelines.

Russ: you lost me. Yeah I know this is a confusing subject to get into but….

Omal: Skip?

Skip: yes?

Omal: did you understand it.........? Okay….

Russ: okay.

Omal: we do not, I will repeat myself, we do not have access to parallel timelines because there is an aspect of us already on those parallel timelines.

Skip: in other words, it’s actually happening.

Omal: yes.

Skip: it’s present.

Omal: correct. There could be a channeling session with myself channeling on another parallel timeline.

Skip: uh-huh, okay in other words, it’s actually the present.

Omal: okay, you have some more questions do you not?

Skip: what you’re saying then, that the parallel life forms or life aspects is happening at the present, the same as ours is happening right now?

Omal: correct, correct, or an aspect of it. It may not be…..it could be you that is channeling me Skip, it could be Russ, it could even be Velvet.

Russ: in parallel lifetimes.

Omal: in fact, in all the parallel times, that is probably the case.

Russ: huh.

Skip: hmm, okay. So then to try to cross over into that parallel life would be nothing but chaos?

Omal: correct, it would serve no purpose.

Skip: it would be a mess, big mess.

Omal: the individual would go crazy.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: a big mess.

Omal: yes, very big mess. Okay, next question.

Russ: okay, you guys…..I’ve got questions that I want to get before but if you guys, if you have anything?

Velvet: yeah.

Omal: okay

Skip: no, go ahead, I’m going to have to head down the hill anyhow because my time isn't my own anymore.

Omal: no.

Russ: go ahead Velvet.

Velvet: okay, my question is can…..isn’t things like the....what's it called? The pyramid.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Velvet: like a pyramid that's really ancient, can it fall apart really easy? I mean like hammered or something if I touch it?

Omal: it depends on what you define as falling the pieces easily. I could destroy a pyramid quite easily with a…..what you would call a nuclear device or with explosives but yet if I was to sit on the top with a sledgehammer, I could not break it that easy.

Russ: take care Skip.

Velvet: okay.

Skip: can I interrupt you a minute Omal?

Omal: certainly.

Skip: I’m going to have to leave, I've got to go down the hill, my time isn't my own.
 
Omal: drive carefully.

Skip: you have a nice evening.

Velvet: bye Omal.

Omal: bye.

Russ: well Omal, it’s just me and you now.

Omal: just like old times.

Russ: just like old times.

Omal: yes, I do apologize, I have Tia suspended by her fingers so she could not interfere.

(though his psychokinesis ability)

Russ: ahh, excellent, thank you. Okay, all right now, a book I was looking at…..or actually I wasn’t looking at…..I was looking at the title, I don’t have access to the book itself. And….

Omal: sorry, Tia is hissing at me.

Russ: I can well understand why she would. It’s by a gentleman named George Sassoon…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and it’s called The Manna Machine and this is all about how he has built a replica of the Ark of the Covenant of the Hebrews and he shows that it was actually a nuclear device that could produce Manna. Yeah I know, I’ll have to get the book and check it out myself but I have no idea of how he came up with this or how he figured this one out.

Omal: it could be a nuclear device or it could be used as a nuclear device.

Russ: but that was the question I had is that it sounds so far-fetched, how could it?

Omal: because the mind's can create whatever is necessary, it is a focusing device the same as this is a focusing device.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: a crystal is a focusing device, this is a focusing device.

Russ: we can't make a nuclear machine out of a small round crystal….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: we can?

Omal: yes, you create the material through……

Russ: manifestation.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see.

Omal: it takes a very good manifestor or a lot of individuals manifesting together with a common goal which is?

Russ: meta-concert. (Laughs)

Omal: and Tia even in her drunken state was quite correct in how she has weaved everything together.

Russ: quite correct, not bad for being that smashed.

Omal: very smashed.

Russ: okay, now………

Omal: you think I should let her down?

Russ: I suppose so, I think she’ll be a good girl from this point.

Omal: well I could get a healer to sober her up but I think that would take away the fun.

Russ: I can imagine, yeah. Speaking on the meta-concert phase…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: last week we were working with Skip…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and doing meta-concert practice.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now at that point, Skip was working as the executive and me as conductor.

Omal: yes, you do need to work on your conducting ability.

Russ: agreed, but it felt better working as conductor than as executive, is that just a natural ability then?

Omal: yes, it is not necessarily a natural ability, it is relieving the executive position which you weren’t suited for because you were concerned with getting everything right and refocusing the energy properly and firing it properly and doing all the myriad of things to do. Skip did it and he is used to making those executive decisions.

Russ: hmm, well that’s good, I mean okay then in the future then when we do these meta-concert practices that Skip then is here working on that same phase?

Omal: correct, yes.

Russ: now if he’s not here, I suppose training for the executive position should be somewhere on my list of things to do.

Omal: yes, it is always useful to have more than one function.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: what happens if you set up a meta-concert and the executive suddenly finds himself throwing up in a corner or is incapacitated in some way?

Russ: or if there is a healing meta-concert we have to do…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: and the current executive has no knowledge of the healing process that has to be done.

Omal: yes.

Russ: right, I step in and take that role over.

Omal: correct. Okay…...

Russ: that’s all I got for now my friend.

Omal: just as well.

Russ: good.

Omal: live long and prosper.

Russ: farewell Omal.

Omal: okay, I’ll be back.

Russ: okay. (chuckles)

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(Kiri takes the place of Omal)


Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh, Kiri?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: I had to assume it was you since Tia I doubt would be….

Three: yes, Tia is…..

Russ: in the pyramid.

Kiri: in the pyramid.

Russ: I figured that much, oh my God. Hey darling?

Kiri: yes?

Russ: since you’re handy….
.
Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll ask you a couple questions real quick.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: hey working on the tarot, seems to be our current....one of our current focuses that we are doing at the present time. I’m still not really sure on how that sucker works.

Kiri: the what?

Russ: tarot decks.

Kiri: tarot decks?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: I’m not a tarot reader.

Russ: I know you’re not but you have knowledge of just about everything in the entire universe.

Kiri: oh thank you, flattery will get you everything.

Russ: I know, so why don’t you give me some information on that?

Kiri: because it is a focusing end, each thing has a significant function.

Russ: I knew you had information on that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: (chuckles) I know you.....

Kiri: now that’s a perfect way to keep Tia occupied.

Russ: and what’s that?

Kiri: you don’t want to know.

Russ: stick her on Lyka?

Kiri: no Lyka’s still having her nose tended, I think she’s broken her nose.

Russ: oh my God.

Kiri: she was standing on her hands and went down, okay at first she was showing off for the Cubs but.....

Russ: Cubs had a good time sure.

Kiri: yes, but Teene is…

Russ: that’s where our technician went off to. So that's why Omal said just as well.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: it’s degenerating quick.

Kiri: no, I wouldn’t say degenerating, Teene told me on the I-mode that Tia was getting rambunctious and she needs tying down in one place and tiring out.

Russ: well Teene’s a good person for that.

Kiri: in fact, Teene’s just relayed to me that……..that is a very kind thing for Teene to do.

Russ: what'd she do?

Kiri: she’s going to take Kiri in to see Mark make sure that Tia stays put.

Russ: thank her for me won't you?

Kiri: yes, that is some…..

Russ: hey babe, this pyramid I got has gotten a little bit dirty, copper is kind of starting to look a little bit dull, what's the word on cleaning this?

Kiri: as Brasso.

Russ: Brasso?

Kiri: yeah or get your Dremmel thingee out, it has a soft thing.

Russ: nah, I would take too much work, too much metal to cover. So take some Brasso and work it out?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: hmm, what's going to be the benefit from that?

Kiri: it would be brighter, shinier and more focusing, more reflective.

Russ: how's that work on the etheric?

Kiri: it heightens it.

Russ: hmm, now how is it going to affect the energy of the whole household do you think? Of course it will be beneficial but I mean to what point will it be beneficial?

Kiri: it will be a higher spiritual level but you have to remember that there is a line through the house at the moment.

Russ: a line through the house?

Kiri: yeah, you have the pyramid energy in this room….

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: and then you have Mark’s hunting energy down there which runs a line through the house and forms a circle.

Russ: I forgot about that.

Kiri: yeah, why you so concerned about it? Karra was asking me.

Russ: yeah and Karra had good reason to ask..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m still real….

Kiri: shaky on it.

Russ: yeah real bad.

Kiri: but you have to remember, Mark was trained, you weren't.

Russ: well I understand that and I had no problem up until this morning.

Kiri: why what happened?

Russ: well I came into the room down here right?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: and Linda was down here and she said she had a real weird experience.

Kiri: yeah, I heard about that.

Russ: and because of that experience I was wondering just how well is Mark keeping these energies in control? I mean is there like a leak between the rooms or something? I mean I had to ask some questions at that point that Linda couldn’t answer and I........

Kiri: it is a positive entity, it is Diana’s namesake…

Russ: okay?

Kiri: and that is the mistress of the hunt. They have a specific function and they will not harm anybody that is not related to the function that they are working on.

Russ: wonderful, well since we're on tape, I’ll just ask Mark then to please be a little more communicative about this.

Kiri: yes, he does get a little bit lacking on communication.

Russ: since I can’t work with him on this due to the fact that I am not of that nature.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: communication of course would be more important than my actually working on it.

Kiri: yes, well tell him to talk to you. What caused the situation if I'm getting this right is that Linda wanted to open up and she was having difficulty opening up and it was suggested that she would go down in there and sit and feel the energy of Diana.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: yeah, she was all for it and she went down there and sat down there and she communicated with her.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and she was very spiritually open.

Russ: well what was the three knock thing? Well I heard there is a door opening between the dimensions……

Kiri: uh-huh, it’s asking permission to come in.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it’s sort of like…..

Russ: now what do I do if I hear three knocks on the door okay? That’s kind of what my question comes about at this point, open the door up or what?

Kiri: well you ask it if you want to come in and let it communicate or just let it get to know you or if you don’t, say, "do not enter, go in light", simple as that.

Russ: what if it comes in?

Kiri: it won’t.

Russ: what if I let it come in?

Kiri: if you let it come in? It’s not going to harm you, it’s going to be curious of you like you are of it.....

Russ: well sure.

Kiri: or her.

Russ: and how do I deal with energies like that? I mean like do I make them tea or something?

Kiri: that might be a way to go, be nice to them. Remember, it’s not an entity, what is Diana?

Russ: Diana’s an entity.

Kiri: no, she’s not an entity.

Russ: she is a goddess.

Kiri: that’s right.

Russ: goddesses are entities.

Kiri: yes, treat her with respect. She’s older than you are.

Russ: obviously.

Kiri: and she’s a continuing life form.

Russ: unless you count all my past lives then I’m older than she is.

Kiri: probably about the same age but she has all her abilities developed.

Russ: yeah, good point.

Kiri: and the best way to describe Diana is a young lady that has a fun-loving streak, the goddess of the hunt and the moon.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and just as the moon goes through phases, she goes through phases as an actual woman does.

Russ: okay, well I’ve dealt with Herne before....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so I know him well enough but I have never dealt with Diana yet so.....

Kiri: and Herne's not a bad character either.

Russ: no, Herne's was kinda cool, I’ve worked with him.

Kiri: yeah, I mean my impression is that he would be very well at home wearing sunglasses. In fact my impression.......

Russ: shorts, T-shirt, sunglasses, something like that......

Kiri: is shirt, sunglasses, sitting on a beach...... 

Russ: that's about right.

Kiri: sipping a glass of wine.

Russ: that's Herne. Oh yeah, I'll agree to that.

Kiri: yeah, I mean he’s a very hip dude.

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: uh-huh, he hasn't shown up yet but when he does, then things will start to move for Mark that he’ll be able to be......

Russ: well Herne is one person that I would be more than willing to let in due to the fact of my previous associations with that God anyway.

Kiri: yeah, he’s a fun-loving dude..

Russ: now isn’t he the other half of Diana?

Kiri: yes, Herne the Hunter.

Russ: right, of course.

Kiri: uh-huh, they don’t normally work together because they work together in a different way.

Russ: right.

Kiri: they won’t attend the same sort of ceremonies.

Russ: now let’s talk about the energies involved here real quick, Diana and Herne.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we’re talking very old?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: been on this earth a while.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now is this going back to what we’re talking about in the realms of devas as far as what Omal and I were talking about?

Kiri: yeah, pretty close, they’re kind of very, very….

Russ: Atlantean energies that still have not left this planet.

Kiri: that would be a very good way to describe them.

Russ: that’s how I thought it was.

Kiri: uh-huh, you wanted them around didn’t you?

Russ: of course.

Kiri: you got at least one of them and if you’re very, very lucky you may have two of them wandering around. What are you going to do one morning when you wake up and go out in your backyard and there’s a stag standing in the middle of your yard with full antlers?

Russ: it wouldn’t bother me too much, scare that cats like all hell.

Kiri: do you know what I would do?

Russ: huh?

Kiri: I would go back into the kitchen, grab a bottle wine, uncork it, fill up a bowl and get some sunglasses. Oh well.

Russ: you gone?

Kiri: yeah, I got one last person.

Russ: okay, bye babe.

Kiri: see you dude.

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(Karra returns one last time to close out the session.)


Karra: helloooo dear.

Russ: good evening my love, how you doing?

Karra: not too bad, I have to go and wash my hands but it got explained to me that she was standing on her hands, she tried to stand on one hand and she had to try to pick up her glass of wine so that she could drink it and her arm gave out, her good arm, her normal arm and she went bang, straight down, straight on her nose.

Russ: she should have used her other arm.

Karra: she should have, yes. She went straight down, smashed her nose to pieces and I’m surprised she didn’t do more damage actually. She’s going to have to have if she wants to have her nose restored to its shape, she's going to have to have surgery.

Russ: no doubt.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right darling, let’s get to it.

Karra: okay, you want me to take my clothes off?

Russ: oh baby, you know me.

Karra: how much time do we have left?

Russ: not much.

Karra: okay.

Russ: now, what's the word on Diana....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: how do we do this?

Karra: what do you want to do?

Russ: I want to get to know her. I mean like I say that….

Karra: ask Mark, ask Mark to introduce you to her.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ:: so basically what I’m going to be doing is not being involved but being involved.

Karra: you could be the outside watcher.

Russ: what’s that?

Karra: kind of a safety man.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Karra: and he needs a safety valve, a safety net, somebody that can yank him back if he gets as Kiri put it, delusions of grandeur.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: knowing everything could be harmful for you if you know what I mean.

Russ: right.

Karra: because there are certain techniques that he would probably use that to you would seem….


THE TAPE ENDS