Archivist Notes: Taking place two weeks
after last month's recording back in 1996, some
familiar items are discussed in a
follow-up to that session. It begins with a
review of the previous night's
forum where Tia and Kiri took over
Mark's body while he was on the base to answer questions with
anyone who came to the chat room that had
been arranged for the session. She quickly goes over some
points about the session before
noting that the keyboards of
Durondedunn and Sirius have more
letters than those we know.
Karra comes on next to
help with a
decision to get a flu
shot as well as covering
been providing a
friend in regards
to a difficult
she was in.
Tia gets in
on the recent
which leads to
that there is
no need for
police on the
up the side
with a quick
progress as a
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(Tia is already in a conversation as we get started.)
John: the wrong person, wastes valuable time.
Tia: wastes time? That is a misnomer. Some of your silliest questions have produced quite long and explanative examples and analogies that have been quite profitable have they not?
John: thatís true.
John: so youíre telling me there is no such thing as a silly question?
John: to any one of you?
Tia: none whatsoever. No such thing as a silly question. Okay hello, howís it going Russ?
Russ: real good.
John: Iím doing well. Yeah weíve got cats outside, a herd of them.
Russ: well that's.......you can let her in, thatís Oddball.
(Tia tells the cat hi in Durondedunn.)
John: oh hi Oddball.
Tia: thatís the mutant.
John: yeah, thatís the mutant kitty. Sheís a good one.
Tia: most of the time.
John: she's pretty good, pretty good.
Tia: okay, critique on last night please.
Russ: oh it went real well.
Russ: I thought it was a little disruptive at some points where people tried to get their personal information back and forth to each other in the middle of a channeling session.
Tia: oh we just ignored those.
Russ: itís disruptive.
Tia: so how you doing Johnny?
John: Iím doing quite well.
Tia: yeah sorry we didnít get down to see you last night but we were concerned about Markís energy reserves. He was pretty tired as it was anyway.
John: yeah he was tired when he started and he was really whipped when you guys finished up with him.
John: and yeah and as far as the computer channeling, Iím just not comfortable with interacting with others.
Tia: yeah because I mean weíre concentrating or both of us were concentrating. You couldíve probably done it easier last night because one of us would have answered whilst the other one carried on working.
John: oh okay, okay. So both of you were all over Mark?
Tia: yeah it was very confusing because I wanted to type and Russ might have noticed that sometimes there would be in brackets Tia or in brackets Kiri.
Tia: and it was sort of like a little add-on from instead of both of us going ďyeah, this is how weíre going to do it.Ē Directly from me or directly from Kiri.
Russ: and Kiri saying how your typing is a little bit slow.
Tia: yes, things like that.
Russ: I picked up on that.
John: well you donít use a conventional keyboard like we use do you, is it similar?
Tia: we do use some of them for certain things. When you have got a lot of people that are in the same room working, itís easier to use a keyboard instead of have everybody going murmur, murmur, murmur and all that murmur, itís distracting on the computer.
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: which does happen unfortunately. The fact that keyboards are taught in Sirian schools I believe, yes they are.
John: do you use the sameÖ..
Tia: no, thereís a few extraÖÖwell in Durondedunn, we use keyboards and thereís like a dozen extra letters there.
John: okay, but do you use the same alphabet that the...?
John: I believe our alphabet derives from the Arabians am I correct, the English alphabet?
Tia: no, it originated from the Roman alphabet or the Greek alphabet.
Tia: but no, the Sirians have how many? Six more letters and we have quite a few more in Durondedunn. OkayÖÖ
John: oh okay.
Tia: I have to put on somebody to start off with.
Tia: and we will put that person on.
(Karra comes on as the next speaker.)
Russ: hello Karra.
John: hey Karra.
Karra: greetings Johnny.
John: how you doing?
Karra: I am doing fine however, my other halfÖ..
Karra: is not.
John: yeah, Russ the love muscle.
Karra: he has a lot on his mind at the moment.
Russ: well you have to expect that.
Karra: yes, now first of all, what we want to do dear is to stand up. Okay, now put your arms out, ninety degrees from your body.....that's good. Now inhale. A nice, long deepÖÖ.come on inhaleÖÖ a nice, long deeeeeeepp inhale. Now exhale very slowly, go......now, fill those lungs up quickly, take a deep breath, go (inhales) hold itÖ...now exhale. Okay, feeling better?
Karra: good, your energy was getting a little bit concerning for Tia, she was watching it on the monitor.
Karra: when she turned her head to look at Kiri, she was also looking at the monitor that is set up on the portable unit.
Russ: oh really?
John: but that breathing exercise you just did with a Russ, I can see that his fingers relaxed, he was a lot tighter.
John: and as soon as he started to breathe in, you can see it was almost involuntary where his fingers.....
Russ: well you have to realize itís a little tough to switch gears so quickly.
Karra: uh-huh, thatís why we had you do that.
Karra: yeah, your energy level was as Tia likes to put it, was reaching a point of impatient explosion.
Russ: I was trying to channel some of it.
Karra: uh-huh, but it was reaching critical mass that it wouldíve exploded in a rage of impatience.
Russ: sometimes it can be handy Iíve noticed in certain situations.
Karra: yes, certain situations like last night after the channeling session. Yes?
Russ: what happened then?
Karra: concerning the person that you were talking to.
Russ: who, Erica?
Karra: no. Last night.
Russ: oh you mean Lady Lorna? I mean the Muse.
Russ: oh the Muse yeah.
Karra: I think......I feel that she got what she deserved from you, that she put herself or put you in the position where you had to make a stand.
Russ: well she did, she basically ripped into Tia and Kiri.
Russ: and hey, I'm not going to stand by for that one.
Karra: no. What was her phrase? Did anybody learn anything new from this possession?
Russ: thatís right, I got some good ones in on that one.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes but I think she was a prime example of somebody as Tia loves to say and it sounds so good, an explosion of impatience.
Karra: sheís sitting there goingÖÖÖfeeling all important. Okay now down to healing questions, do we have any to start off with?
Russ: letís see, working with (Name removed) lately on my healing techniques.
Russ: anything more I can advance on that one?
Karra: just keep preceding as you are but remember that it is necessary to verbalize that in due course and to help her focus her energy and to open her up so that she can realize on her own the error and the danger that she is in, Johnny?
John: yeah, I was going to get a flu shot and I know in years past sometimes it depends on the vaccine they use and sometimes they work good, sometimes they make people sick, sometimes they're totally ineffective. I donít even know what theyíre using this year, should I go ahead and get one?
Karra: well itís up to you, it depends on how bad the flu might be that you might get.
John: well the odds of getting flu in this communityÖ.
Karra: are pretty high.
John: are very high and with my lifestyle and with the skiing and all, that adds to it and in the environment that I work in........when I go in to a walk-in refrigerator, basically itís an incubator for the flu virus. If an employee goes into the walk-in before me and coughs and has the flu, those airborne particles live in that 34į temperature quite nicely.
John: and then I go in there to get some lettuce for example or whatever and Iíve seen that happen before and this place is big and thereís a lot of different people.
Karra: I think youíve just answered your own question and whatís happened to Markís voice? Itís making me sound a little husky, okay.....
Russ: want me to get you some tea or something?
Karra: no Iím fine.
Russ: a lozenge, a throat lozenge?
Karra: I think itíll be all right for a while.
John: I think itís Mark, I donít think itís you.
Karra: thatís better.
John: Mark got his flu shot, he complained about his arm being sore.
Russ: I got mine.
John: you have?
Karra: but I think you've answered your own question by saying that listing all the negatives that there are.
John: okay yeah.
Karra: yeah. So I would say it is your own choice, I cannot say for you get the flu shot or do not get the flu shot.
John: yeah I think I'm going to go ahead and get it. Yeah youíre right, I answered my own question.
Karra: yeah and that is as Tia would say, it is a very good question to ask. You have opened up the thought process so that by talking to us or speaking out loud, youíve worked it through, it is your choice.
John: thank you.
Karra: youíre welcome, next questions please.
Russ: yes when you mentioned about the error and the danger that she's in, you're speaking of physical health or mental health?
Karra: which one do you wish us to look at first?
Russ: how about the physical health?
Karra: physical health, well obviously thereís the depression of the immune system throughÖ.
Karra: stress definitely, self-neglect because of not being felt to be worthy or good. People in that situation tend to be almost constantly sick. Also the fact that drugs and alcohol are present and that she could end up walking down that path. She has to be very strong to avoid that physical danger because once she walks down that path, itís going to be a long, hard time for her to walk out of it.
Russ: thatís true.
Russ: all right, the mental.
Karra: mental. Well very similar to the physical, yeah being constantly battered down mentally that she's not worthy to have anybody better, that she is possible to be in the victim cycle. "Now if I do this, right? He wonít beat me, he wonít abuse me further but if I donít do this, say for example cleaning. If I clean the house the house looks nice but he doesnít like that but I want to clean the house." So sheís in a quandary, what does she do and she ends up doing nothing and by becoming inactive, that gives her too much time to think on trying to please this person and thatís all she thinks about is that she's not worthy.
Karra: if she leaves him and I will put almost money on this if I had some is, his comments will be, ďyou will never make it on your ownĒ or words very close to that.
Russ: no doubt he'll try to break her down.
Karra: exactly. By breaking her down, her self-esteem becomes very low, she becomes reliant upon him and of pleasing him. If she gets pregnant, the situation gets worse.
Russ: well weíre just going to wait-and-see moment-by-moment anyway.
Russ: because right now is the time where she has to make her own decisions and those are the ones that will be the most important for her.
Karra: thatís correct. From listening when you and Mark were talking to her, she was opened wide by Mark, she was peeled like marshmallow with his coercive ability.
Karra: and he put some very deep thoughts into her that sheís thinking about but they will have to be reactivated from time to time.
Karra: and we will work on that together as a team.
Karra: now I would like to add about coercion, now this is open for either of you to comment on, is what Mark is doing with his coercion good or bad?
Russ: itís good.
John: itís good.
Russ: because heís using it to help someone else.
John: and heís also refining his techniques so itís a duality there.
Karra: uh-huh exactly.
Russ: heís not using it in a selfish manner.
John: heís got good intentions and he's helping himself and heís helping this person.
Karra: exactly, now, if he coerced her to go to bed with him, is that good or bad?
Russ: selfish motives.
John: I donít see it as being bad if his motives are not selfish. If itís more than just a sexual you know, if thereís more than just sex to it, I donít see it as being bad.
Karra: John, both of you are correct actually. If it is to make her feel guilty and to get away from the danger, the motive is a very, very tricky area. The motive has to be of the most purest kind and if he enjoys it, that is irrelevant.
Russ: well I donít know Karra, thatís playing with some serious gray areas there.
Russ: if he wants to stay on the third dimension for the next couple life times, yeah......
Karra: not necessarily, not necessarily.
Russ: yeah but itís such a fine line, I mean weíre not evolved enoughÖ..
Karra: to make that call.
Russ: to make the call or to fine tune our coercion down to that type of motive.
Russ: I mean thereís going to be other subtler hints going in there thatís going to cloud that coercion from the start. I mean thereís no way we could have yours or Omalís type of focused coercion.
Karra: no but it would be the ultimate test of the coercive ability of Mark.
Russ: yeah but what if he fails? It ain't worth the price.
Karra: but what of the price if he succeeds?
Russ: itís negligible.
Karra: no itís not, itís a great step forward because it is the difference between coercion in a negative form and you should see no negative coercion in a positive form. Now Iím not really qualified to answer, to put it into words properly, Kiri is but Iím not.
Russ: weíll approach Kiri with this one I think.
Russ: Iím sure sheís had to deal with this a couple times herself.
Karra: yes I think she is the right person to answer things on that.
John: whatís your thoughts on it Karra?
Karra: my thoughts are that Mark would never do that in the first place but I had to say it to explain a point on coercion.
John: okay, because I donít see Mark doing that, I think I know the man pretty well and I canít see him doing that.
Karra: well the one thing that really, really impresses me about Mark is his high moral standards but also there is the negative side to his high moral standards is that he lives by or tries to live by his high moral standards and frequently he makes the mistake of expecting other people to live by those high moral standards and when they fail, he's disgusted.
John: Mark is a man of honor, there's no doubt about that but no, heís got a learn to live with people with different codes of honor than himself and myself I mean you know, Russ is a good example.
Karra: yes, Russ has no code of honor.
Russ: I donít know, Iíve got an area code, does that count?
Karra: which one's that? Is that the 916?
John: 916. 916 yeah, unlisted.
Karra: I'm just joking.
Russ: can I use that?
Karra: 916, personally I prefer code 69.
Russ: ahh yes, I do too.
John: yeah, yeah.
Karra: anyway okay, last questions on the healing before I have to hop out?
John: alrighty then, you donít mind if I go first do you Russ?
Russ: no please, help yourself.
John: all right, as far as the planetary healing and the consciousness of the people on the planet becoming more aware and the planetary healing, I see it happening amongst all the corruption and bullshit that goes on. I do see it happening, how do you perceive it?
Karra: yes it is definitely happening, more people are aware of what is going on. Tia just handed me a little note in spidery handwriting that looks very similar to Sirian but not quite, it is just about legible but what it saysÖ.
John: what language is it in?
Karra: it is in Sirian, I'm just harassing her.
Karra: but what it says is that a politician was accused on a TV performance, a political analyzing program that he was accused of wanting to pollute the air and the water and his reply was, ďI breathe that air, I drink that water. Why would I want to pollute it?Ē And the person that was accusing him just talked right over his statements of, ďwhy would I want to poison myself, why would I want to poison my children or my grandchildren?Ē And this person was a Republican political person and the other person was a liberal television announcer. I canít read the names too clearly but the fact that this person was accused of something that he wasÖ..felt very strongly against, shows that the people have always been more into industry and making money are also aware of the necessary to heal the planet so that their life can be improved and made better. The fact that some people use it to make them look bad by talking over them and shouting them down when they try to make these points is irrelevant. The fact remains that even the people that have always been looked upon as money grabbing industrialists are just as concerned if not more then those that arenít politically conservative.
John: would you hand Tia a little note that says that I strongly disagree and I will discuss politics with her later.
John: thank you Karra.
Karra: youíre welcome, Russ?
Russ: yeah, the next phase in training I think should go to is self-healing?
Karra: not yet, sheís not quite ready for that because of the environment that sheís in.
Karra: yes it is a logical step once she has been healed and has been put in a situation where she is in control, where she as she puts it, feels in control not where she is being controlled.
John: can I interact on that briefly?
Karra: certainly, but it costs.
John: thatís okay, I can handle the payment no matter what it is.
Karra: Iím just joking.
John: but wouldnít it be helpful for Russ to put some tools in this young womanís mind to help her along the way? Because for her to get out of this situation, she needs to start to do some self-healing, some mental healing.
Karra: yes and no, the fact is that for her to concentrate on the mental healing will take energy that is necessary for other things. Also the fact that she will heal herself but it will be torn straight back down again. It is a pointless exercise to build a wall if it is only can be knocked down. If you build a wall of sand on the beach, what happens to the wall of sand?
John: yeah but if you build a brick wall and it gets knocked down halfway, doesnít that give you a better base to start from again?
Karra: sometimes yes but in this case no........
Karra: for the simple reason that those building blocks that would be left standing would be more of a hindrance because each case is different. Certainly they are similar, but they're also very different. Okay thank you.
John: thank you very much.
Russ: farewell Karra.
(Tia rejoins to answer John's question and then hands off to Omal.)
Tia: politics huh?
John: (laughs) sheís back.
Tia: you want to discuss it with me? Before we move on to the next person, why do you feel that way?
Russ: Iím going to start with some tea.
Tia: okay. Why do you feel that way Johnny?
John: because in your group.....
John: you seem to be the political expert and you seem to be the one whoís the most concerned and in our channeling last weekÖ.
John: which was very lengthy and very intense....
Tia: yes, uh-huh.
John: Korton supported you quite wholeheartedly.
Tia: yes and then he also did tear into me about my emotions.
John: well yes, yes and thatísÖÖand thatÖÖI mean I donít think you should take him tearing into your emotions as an insult.
Tia: no, no I donít.
John: but I mean IÖ..Iím trying to formalize my questions better and ask the right people the right questions so we donít waste time.
Tia: thank you, I appreciate it.
John: and you do seem to be the political expert.
Tia: no I wouldnít say I am the political expert, Omal certainly has more knowledge on the matters but Iíve become more politically aware by studying your earth politics. Itís something that I can look back in the history books from my planet or if I look back into my mind and remember the history lessons and I see things happening. Now I know the remedies, I know whatís going to happen and I know whoís right and I know whoís wrong and whoís trying to head in a particular path and itís sort of like, ďno, no, no, no do it this way, do it this way otherwise this is going to happen. No youíve done it the wrong way.Ē What do I do you know? Itís something that gets very frustrating for me to know that your planet is heading down a pathway that my planet headed down and to watch these symptoms that we now know the cure for. But I canít tell you what the cure is and if I do, nobodyís going to listen anyway so what do I do? Itís a feeling of hopelessness, itís like seeing a child running down a rail line track and seeing the locomotive coming and you know that the child is not going to get off the track and the trainís not going to stop and itís going to be a horrible mess, what do you do? You canít run down there and stop the child because by the time you run down there, the train's already going to be past and gone.
John: now do you understand the frustration that a lot of us have?
Tia: oh yes.
John: including me. I mean it wouldnít matter how I voted, I mean the politics I have no say between the politics between China and the United States......
John: I canít do anything to change that.
Tia: and that is something that I do see that the fact that youíre not the only person. The fact that there was only 8% difference right? In the winner and the second-place person. They talk about a landslide victory.
John: well no, it wasnít really a landslide.
John: and the thing is too, youíve got to take into consideration that only 49% of the population voted.
Tia: uh-huh. That's about half the population.
John: out of half the population, half of them voted for the man that weíve got in there in office.
John: so if you take that 25% of the American population in the adult voting age, voted for our president.
John: president, 25%.
Tia: that is appalling.
John: thatís only a quarter of the voting population.
Tia: that is appalling, it is shocking that itís got to the point where people are so indifferent in who is elected. And also something else that was very, very surprising that I came across in my research the other day is that there was a large number of immigrants sworn in as citizens and as a rule, about 80% of immigrants that are sworn in as citizens in their first election will vote for the incumbent. Now the fact that this may add up to less than .001 of a percent is irrelevant on the number but the fact is that they were hurried through so that they could vote at that time for the election. By presidential decree, hurry them through, get them so that they are able to vote. I mean that strikes me as manipulation, the fact that it was an insignificant number is besides the point. Itís the principle and ethnic partÖ..
John: itís good politics is what it is. I mean itís the way our political system works.
Tia: uh-huh it works and as a rule it works reasonably well but the setup has reached a point where it is so gray and corrupt that itís really not decided by the people anymore. It's decided by the press, it's decided by governmental agencies and business factors and unions.
John: what political law enforcement group do you have on Hades Base to control the base? Youíve got to have some kind of control, some kind of.....what kind of political law enforcement base do you use there?
Tia: we donít, we have a military defense force which is primarily for the defense of the base but we donít have elections. We donít elect the leader or the boss of the base, we donít elect leaders of departments, those people get them on the merit of how hard they work. The only people that we elect are for entertainment such as the ski racing, the track team.
John: so you donít have law enforcement officers like we do have down here?
Tia: no, no, not needed.
John: theyíre not necessary?
Tia: no, not necessary at all. If IÖ..
John: what if a pilot would get out of hand with drinking too much and maybe ingesting some flowers or something and getting out of hand? Howís that dealt with?
Tia: he is reprimanded by his commanding officer, it is dealt with by them. To restrain him, they would probably jump on him and hold him down until they could get a restraining device but as a rule, nobody gets that out of control. Pilots injuring themselves by going "yes" through damaged windows is something that happens. They get so pumped up with adrenaline that they increase their own strength but thatís natural, that happens.
John: and that pilotís fine who did that isnít he?
Tia: oh yes, you canít even see the scratches but the fact is that they police themselves. Yeah, ingesting too much wine as a rule tends to make us very silly and bubbly but we donít get aggressive. The pilots and the defense force may get aggressive but they know that they may have to defend the base at a momentís notice so that they donít get as you might put it, that blotto.
John: okay, so essentially what youíre saying is, you police yourselves.
Tia: yes, uh-huh.
John: very interesting.
Tia: yes beanpole?
Russ: that's alright.
Tia: okay, let me put on the next person. (Speaking to people on the base.) Will somebody get that bloody rabbit out of here? That one, that's the only one in here.
John: my rabbit skin bag?
Russ: no, sheís talking to up on the base through the pyramid.....one of the new kid toys for the kids.
Tia: Kiri, Kiri just pick it up by the ears okay fine, Iíll take care of it.
(Omal begins a very informative discussion.)
Omal: greetings and welcome and farewell to the departing person. (Russ steps out of the room for a bit.) Greetings Johnny.
John: greetings Omal, how you doing today?
Omar I am doing well and yourself?
John: Iím doing quite well.
Omal: that is good. Okay, let us get down to business and address the matter at hand. Let me start off with a brief little speech on how you are doing as a group. You are developing along the guided lines that you have set forth yourselves, the development of each individual is progressing on a nice pathway of a spiritual level. It is important that you learn to work a little bit more closely together in matters on a spiritual level, that each of you have your own beliefs but yet these beliefs should be able to work together as a perfect unit. The understanding of your own personal abilities is also developing at a nice reasonable pace. It is not being hurried and therefore errant and not being analyzed and picked to pieces so therefore it is not slow. It is arriving at the point that you yourselves as I said before have been predetermined. Okay, questions please.
John: what can we do to bring us together closer as a group?
Omal: maybe sit down and eat together instead of Russ going upstairs, Mark sitting at the computer, you coming down here. Actually sit together, maybe ingest some wine, plan a dessert and actually sit down and relax and unwind at dinner. Talk about whatís on your minds. Eat together, remove the distractions of felines and radios and computers and talk together. Tell funny stories, jokes instead of eating in separate parts of the house. Maybe once a week or once every other week, this will bring you closer together.
John: all right, thank you.
Russ: Omal correct?
Omal: yes, I hope so.
Russ: just checking. Now you and Tia are not allowed to give us the answers of what would save our planet from the problems that happened on Durondedunn and Sirius I assume as she said.
Omal: I think it is more of a restraint that Tia has on herself about what happened on Durondedunn is happening on your planet and she restrains herself which is wise. Yes we do have a non-interference pact but as Tia pointed out, if you said what the answers and remedies are, nobody would listen.
Russ: true and you have given a few clues here and there.
Omal: yes, Iím a little bit harsher and because I am base commander I do have to follow the rules and set the example.
Russ: right. Now when you mention working together closer here as a group......
Russ: that could exponentially mean also working together closer as a race?
Omal: that is your own analogy and assumption. It is something that I really canít confirm or deny at this time.
Russ: okay, John?
John: question threw me.
Russ: oh sorry.
John: I had a train of thought and......
Russ: okay, well onto that next phase then, the photon belt.
Omal: ahh, yes.
Russ: currently there is a lot of information thatís on the web that is pretty misleading and most of it false.
Russ: what I'd like to do is focus a little bit on that so I could perhaps get that on the web as soon as possible.
Russ: just as being as we entered into it, now I'd like to get the information going.
John: can I interject briefly please?
John: alright, there's an awful lot of questions and curiosity about the photon belt, there's an awful lot of misinformation out there....
Omal: oh yes, most certainly there is.
John: and there's an awful lot of people who are really, really curious about this so it is important that we get this information out there and get correct information out there.
Omal: that is correct.
John: thank you.
Omal: continue Russ.
Russ: well what I would like then basically is a dissertation that I can put on the web.
Omal: hmmm, okay.
(We all laugh.)
Russ: not to put you on the spot or anything.
Omal: maestro music please, spotlight. Okay, let me manifest my cane and my hat. Okay, I'm putting on the top hat, I'm putting on the Ritz.
Omal: okay, now let me be serious after this little bit of humor.
Omal: okay, now what is the photon belt? Well, it is an energy field that will gradually and slowly surround your planet. At first......thank you Kiri.....Kiri says that there is information already on the Internet that both her and Tia downloaded into Mark's computer that was used last night to start the channeling session. (When they had control of his body.)
Omal: that itself should be taken and used....
Omal: at the beginning of the dissertation.
Omal: okay now let us look closely at the photon energy field itself. The idea that it is a belt that will surround your planet is a misnomer. It is more of a cloud and like clouds, you get gaps and dense areas and thin areas that are not as strong as other areas. At first you will go through the almost nebulous part of the photon cloud that will have a little effect to start off with. People will be aware of the feeling that something is happening, that is true. What also is occurring is that the spirituality of people is becoming more aware. They are developing their abilities, their vibrational levels are being brought up gradually bit by bit by the energy inflow from the photon cloud. The fact that it will surround your planet almost like a belt is understandable but it would be a misnomer to call it a photon belt. It would be better to call it a photon pocket, because you will be within the cloud as a spherical crystal is within the pocket. But what is occurring on a spiritual level is as I said at first people will feel that there is something happening, I believe Kiri called it a building feeling, like something is building inside them. And at times you will be outside the energy cloud as it is at the moment just a thin, wispy leading edge of the photon cloud. Later, as you penetrate deeper and I believe that will happen around about 2014, you will feel more in contact with what has gone before and the possibilities of what is to come. With the development of the abilities, there will be unfortunately a start of the polarizing between those that are spiritually aware, those that think they're spiritually aware and those that are not. All three groups will be poles apart. If it was possible to have three poles, that is what would occur. Individuals that feel they are aware spiritually but are not will present the biggest problem. They will be in the majority but they will also be the people that will spread lies and dissent and push the two groups that could work together further apart. There are examples of these individuals that occur frequently in daily life, I have received reports about some of them. What occurs is they use whatever media they can, whether it is in your papers, in your entertainment devices that they will push people away and cause problems. Some of them in a very odd turn of fate will try to claim that they have abilities and that individuals that really do, donít. But what they actually do is themselves a disservice by saying they have all these abilities and that somebody doesnít, they will actually push the people away from them towards the people that really do that they claim do not. I think this should be enough for you to start off with....
Omal: or do you wish more?
Russ: no Iíd like to address now some of the more fantastical aspects of what's been out there.
Omal: okay, five days of darkness? Nope. Ice age? Nope. Let me seeÖvolcanic activity increase? Nope. No definitely not an increase in earthquake activity although it might be entertaining to buy some beach front property and sell it to those people that believe so. No, that won't happen either Russ. Okay.....oh sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
Russ: that's alright.
Omal: the pole shift, no that is not contributed to it. Okay let us hear the rest of yours before I start going, "no, that's impossible, no.....
SIDE ONE ENDS
(With little missing between side changes, the questions continue.)
Russ: our space time......oh, space and time will be altered and our system will be possibly hurled into a higher dimension.
Omal: sorry, I find that very unlikely. Next one.
Russ: okay, all energy on earth, batteries and electrical will all be reduced to nothing, null and void and we will now have to learn how to use photon energy instead.
Omal: that one does actually have a ring of truth in it.
Omal: yes but the fact that the energy will be drained is wrong. Photon energy will be learned how to be used and harnessed but this will be used in an odd sort of way. Cold fusion in the next twenty to thirty years will become a reality. With cold fusion comes the ability to create an inexhaustible supply of energy, in turn you will be able to create artificial photons.
Russ: hmm okay, it will last two thousand years.
Omal: that is close to the truth as well.
Omal: maybe it was just a extra zero put on there.
Russ: oh. It will effect us in our gravitational fields?
Russ: all of our molecules and atoms will get excited?
Omal: yes but in a odd sort of way. The feeling of building, molecules and atoms not as such but certainly molecules and atoms within individual's spiritual fields will get excited.
Russ: okay so it will alter consciousness?
Omal: I believe that is a yes but it is not the consciousness of the mind that they're talking about, it is the consciousness of the inner self. Those as I stated that do have abilities will be more consciously aware.
Russ: oh okay. Alright and the one you read my mind on, the intergalactic federation has put ships in position to lessen the effect and fix the ozone holes within the first hours of entering?
Omal: my sentiments exactly.
Russ: it's on the web, I've got to put it out here okay?
Omal: my sentiments exactly Johnny.
John: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Russ: alright. Okay, increased solar flares?
Omal: yes but that is not due to the photon cloud.
Russ: that is just a normal, natural cycle.
Russ: alrighty, temperature changes are......
Omal: again that is a normal natural cycle of your planet.
Russ: okay, now what I want to go on to the physical aspects that are present that are being felt....
Russ: okay? On a personal note and that is the fact of a feeling of pressure building, sort of like a atmospheric pressure almost in the mornings, an increase in astral travel ability, increased coercive faculties........
Omal: an increase in gifts as Tia and Kiri put it last night.
Russ: right and personal life changes.
Omal: personal life changes cannot be attributed to the photon cloud.
Russ: okay. Now then, can we determine what part of the day we are experiencing the photon particles within as we go through them?
Omal: yes, you will feel the difference at particular junctures of the day. As your planet passes or the photon cloud passes over you, will depend if it is passing on the left side or the right side of your planet, the light or the dark side, to the north, to the south, to the East, to the West. You will feel it as it flows over you.
Russ: and it would be, let's say once every twenty four hours then?
Omal: sometimes more, sometimes less to start off with.
Omal: the closer you get to actually entering the cloud, the more often the occurrences will be. It is like watching an aircraft flying into a cloud, sometimes you see it because there is a hole in the cloud, sometimes you donít.
Russ: hmm okay. So, we'll be fully into it by 2014?
Russ: so weíll be approximately halfway through it about 2005?
Omal: halfway towards full immersion, yes.
Russ: yes okay. Now will this have anything to do with the predictions, Tia's predictions, will this have a visible effect upon what's going to be going on?
Omal: it is really hard to say exactly how the majority of the people are going to be affected by this photon cloud. The last time it had passed, there was already the occurrence of great disarray before the energy field arrived. In some parts of your planet when it came, those disruptions were lessened and in other parts it was intensified so it is really hard to say how it will effect the majority of the people. Some of the people will react in different ways. Some will act in fear, some will act out of surprise, some will act out of shock. It will be all different reactions. It is really hard to say exactly what will happen. It is one of those factors that we try to plan for but we cannot fully predict.
Russ: okay. Now Iíve heard two reports on our passage of our earth through the cloud, one is 24,000 years and one is 12,000 years. The 12,000 due to the fact that it takes....what is it? I think we go through it twice every 24,000 years so it's every 12,000 years, which is the actual number?
Omal: neither actually.
Russ: oh! Well this will be good for the net.
Russ: what is the actual number then?
Omal: okay, you go through approximately every 36,000 years.
Russ: ahh, well that makes a difference.
Omal: if you add the two numbers together, what do you get?
Russ: right, 36,000 yes. Now at the point of Earthís history that it went through last time were at the waning days of Atlantis....
Russ: so that situation was already on the way out anyway.....
Russ: and the cloud merely polarized the various parties involved......
Russ: leading to its final goodnight kiss.
Omal: that is an odd way of putting it but yes.
Russ: yeah well, it just comes out once in a while like that. Alrighty, now there is a channeling that says that it will stabilize our weather patterns?
Omal: again it is one of those factors that we really do lack information on. Certain personnel that visit the base have more information than I have at my hands. I am more concerned with what is going on on your planet. The last time I watched with anxiety as these events occurred. It was not the first time that I have witnessed these events when they occurred in the waning days of Atlantis. When it happened the first time that I witnessed it, it was not so as intense so this time I watch things with trepidation wondering if it will be a repeat performance of Atlantis or the earlier visitation. It is really hard for me to say. So watching and waiting is all that we can really do at this time unless higher personnel wish to let us know exactly what is going on.
Russ: okay. John, do you want to interject anything just yet?
Russ: go ahead.
John: Iíd like to get into more of the physics of this photon cloud or patch, it is something that our planet and solar system passes through?
Omal: yes, it is not a visible cloud. It is an energy cloud that is made up of various photonic particles that react to each other in an agitated state creating an enhanced energy field which, if you were to condense it into a visible form, would appear like a shimmering mist that that you can see through. The way that it works is that each photon is bouncing off of each other photon which is creating energy bursts that can be felt.
John: does our galaxy through its travels pass through it or is it part of our galaxy that our solar system passes through.
Omal: itís part of your galaxy. If it was something that your galaxy passes through it would be a once only until the contraction occurs and then it would pass through it again. But the fact remains that it is part of your galaxy in its rotational pathway.
John: and in a rotation through our galaxy, the solar system passes through this photon cloud about every 36,000 years?
Omal: pretty much so. It is not exactly 36,000 years.
John: right, well I used the correct term, I said about.
Omal: correct. It varies in difference between 500 to a 100 years.
John: does the size of the cloud vary?
Omal: yes it does, it is the same cloud that was passed through but because of the rotation of your galaxy, it increases and decreases with certain cycles generated in the heart of your galaxy. These circumstances which increase and decrease in size vary wildly with energy pulses from such things as pulsars, quasars and super novas and also black holes. The more energy that is given off by these objects that interact with a black hole of a interesting size depends on the size of the photon cloud.
John: does it affect.....I mean I realize it affects the whole solar system, does it affect the other planets as much as it affects Earth?
Omal: it depends on the gravitational field and also the organic matter upon those planets.
John: is there life, other life in the solar system besides the planet Earth?
Omal: I really canít answer that at this time.
John: I didnít think so, I thought I'd ask.
Omal: it was worth a try was it not? Okay, last questions please.
Russ: okay, was the first time that you witnessed this Lemuria?
Omal: no it was after actually, if you do the mathematics you will see where and when it was.
John: yeah back to the photon belt and our solar system passing through this, I would assume and let me know if I'm correct, that other solar systems and other galaxies experience very similar things?
Omal: yes, they do, they do. Sirius for example will be entering it in approximately or reaching your stage in approximately thirty to fifty years. Alpha Centari, shortly before that. Other galaxies we really canít give you that much information on as they are outside our sphere of influence but I would assume so from research expeditions that have spent an enormous amount of time and energy traveling from one galaxy to another and returning possibly have information that similar events do occur in those galaxies. You have to remember that the nearest neighboring galaxy is two million light years away. Thank you.
John: thank you very much.
Russ: thank you Omal, very informative.
(Tia ushers on the next speaker.)
John: is that the Kiri monster?
Russ: no thatís Tia.
John: tea time?
Tia: I think so.
John: alrighty then.
Russ: she's doing a Marcel Marceau impersonation.
John: (chuckles) you want some tea Russ?
Tia: okay I shall put on the next person.
Tia: (Speaking to Kiri.) Okay yeah, you sure? Can you keep that bloody thing out, please? What do you mean you canít catch it? Huh!
John: that was a fascinating little conversation with Omal.
John: you didnít mind me touching on the physics of it did you?
John: I think it helped clarify the whole thing.
Russ: quite well I think.
(Kiri wraps up the session in her own unique way.)
Kiri: oh dear, dear, dear, dear. Oh dear, dear, dear, dear.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yeah, hello. We need to go and awake upÖÖ..Tiaís gone to wake up Diana. (One of the Cubs.)
Russ: get her rabbit out of the house?
Kiri: uh-huh because you know Tia caught it, held onto it, handed it to me right? And it went limp because it was in restraints. I put it down and off it goes. The other option is that we just let it bounce around all night until the battery runs down. The only person that can switch it off isÖ.
John: so itís a mechanical rabbit?
John: that you cannot shut off?
John: kind of like the Energizer bunny that we have in our television commercials?
John: very similar?
Kiri: yes, this one will keep going for about 12 hours non-stop.
Russ: have a little drum on this thing going bang, bang, bang, bang.
Kiri: Iíll make one for you dear.
Russ: thank you, that will be very wonderful. (Ed. note: I would live to regret these words.)
Kiri: uh-huh and of course because it will only be moving slowly, the battery will last I should say continuous use.......
(Lots of laughter ensues.)
Russ: just set it off, put it in the room and make it so that only I can turn it off. Karra would kill it. She'll take a baseball bat and sheíll just literally take it to its finest particles.
Kiri: I can make it go continuously without stoppingÖÖ..if I put a little bit of a brain in there, I can have it work out a particular path that wouldÖÖ..I can have it going for a year and a half without needing a recharge, is that which you want?
Russ: thatís it, a year and a half.
John: a year and a half, oh man.
Kiri: you want to stop every so often and go with the drumsticks and then off again?
Russ: there you go.
Kiri: cool, I can do that.
Russ: it will last all of an hour when the novelty wears off and Karra just throws it in somebodyís pool.
Kiri: Iíll make it waterproof. Do you want me to make it out of the same substance that I made the rabbits here out of?
Russ: yeah sure.
John: yeah put a little pair of goggles on it too just in case.
Russ: she'll stick it out on Wookie Mountain, out in the snow.
Kiri: I made the ones here, I dropped weights of approximately one of your tons on it from about 50 feet repeatedly to test the strength.
Kiri: all three of them have been through that test and all three of them survived with flying colors, not even a structural tweak apart from one has a slightly tweaked ear but that was because the sensor picked up a indentation in the weight and read it as being deeper than it was but thatís only the sensor in the ear.
John: what material is this made out of?
Kiri: itís made out of a mixture of a Duridium and I canít tell you the rest.
John: boy you guys are right on top of it, I think I could just slide one of these questions in but my friend took this photograph and thereís been a lot of conversation about it and she really believes itís Ashtar ships in those clouds. Now to me it looks like a very interesting cloud formation but she did ask me to ask you.
Kiri: itís a thundercloud.
John: yeah. Is thereÖ?
Kiri: it's cumulus and cirronimbus.
John: yeah, is there any ships associated with that photograph whatsoever that you can see through Markís eyes?
Kiri: I think we can do better than that.
Russ: ask Omal.
John: yeah I didnít want toÖ..
Kiri: yes, a very little one.
John: there is a small spaceship?
Kiri: yes, but itís not in the cloud.
John: but there is a small spaceship in that photograph?
Kiri: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: can you see it or is it hidden by the clouds?
Kiri: itís actually a rock that shouldnít be there. I canít see it, I can see it on the monitor.
Russ: it's a ship?
John: but the ship is associated more with the rocks there?
Kiri: it's, itís down low here. The clouds were removed by the computer, thatís why I was moving it was to get it into the best point that I could get a good view at it for the monitor and it stripped away all the clouds and analyzed everything and yes, there is a ship in that picture.
John: all right.
Kiri: itís just a matter of it being located and stripping away the clouds and everything which is what we had to do was we had to look for a error in the picture. So you can tell your friendÖ...
John: yes, there is a spaceship in this picture.
Russ: but itís not in the clouds.
John: that is confirmed.
Kiri: yeah but as I was about to say, donít tell if itís in the clouds or not. You can tell her itís in the clouds because yes, it is close to the clouds. They were probably was in the clouds.......
Kiri: at one point.
John: but thisÖ.
Kiri: donít want to break her heart too much.
John: no I donít but the spaceship and this particular cloud formation which is quite naturalÖ.
John: has no correlation directly?
John: all rightÖ.that clarifies it for me.
Kiri: it might have made it more denser as it passed through but thatís about all.
Kiri: uh-huh. But it certainly does look like some UFO pictures that Iíve seen.
John: can you tell me where the spaceship in this photograph is from?
Kiri: itís hard to say to identify it. It could be one of ours, it could be somebody elseís.
John: okay, because thereís a lot of people that really want to believe that itís one of yours.
Kiri: tell themÖÖtell them that we could neither confirm nor deny that it might be one of ours.
Kiri: that way itís open to conjecture and it will keep the majority of them happy because they will reason thus, "because they can neither confirm nor deny it, it is more than likely one of theirs."
John: thatís true.
John: thatís how I would rationalize it butÖ.
John: thatís me, Iím a unique individual.
Kiri: yeah but I cannot confirm that it is one of ours because it is too small to tell.
Kiri: the quality and the imagery, we couldn't it enhance it to get a definite identification. Now if the pilot was looking down and goingÖÖthen I would say it was one of ours without a shadow of a doubt.
John: okay you gave me a lot more information than I thought you would and IímÖ
Kiri: itís worth a try isnít it?
John: well yeah and you know and you canít blame me for trying, I mean isn't that why weíre here?
John: is for an exchange of information?
Kiri: exactly, that is why you are here.
Kiri: thatís a big yawn.
Russ: (yawns) how are you?
Kiri: Iím doing fine.
Kiri: you want to give that young lady a call now and Johnny and myself will continue discussing the picture?
Russ: I have a question real quick.
Russ: did the photon belt go through Sirius prior to its ascension?
Kiri: yes, that would be self-evident would it not?
Russ: not really. It mightíve been a natural ecological change before it went through but the photon belt would make more sense as to the general shift in consciousness and everything that happened.
Kiri: I think it happened a couple of times. Well Iím pretty sure that there are four recorded occurrences before the ascension but that doesnít mean to say that four is the number because that would mean that you would have number 36,000 to go before your planet......
John: and Omal confirmed three.
John: for us so weíd be going through our fourth one.
Russ: no, he confirmed two and we're going through our third one that he knows of.
Kiri: yeah, exactly.
John: yeah youíre right, that is the answer.
Russ: but if it goes through every 36,000 yearsÖ..
John: now since youíre an engineer and itís nothing critical against Russ but Iím real curious about the physics of this okay? And he put it as the photon belt passing through Sirius. Now in reality, isnít Sirius and the Sirian solar system passing through this belt? I mean which is more correct?
Kiri: itís both actually, whatís actually occurring is that you have Sirius coming towards it right? And as the cloudÖÖ
John: and the cloud is in motion also?
John: so both things are in motion?
John: okay so the same thing would apply with earth and our passing through the photon belt?
John: the belt is in motion or the patch or cloud which Omal preferred to use okay? We'll use patch, the photon patch and the solar systemÖ.our solar systemÖ.
Kiri: are both in motion.
John: are both in motion.
John: now well since youíre on Hades BaseÖ.
John: okay? And youíre in our solar system and youíll also be passing through the beltÖ.
John: isn't it going to affect Hades Base at all?
Kiri: no, no because the base is in the fifth dimension. Now weíve explained the fifth dimension many times.
John: yeah, yeah.
John: I think itís a good question though.
Kiri: yeah, yeah. But becauseÖ..
John: a lot of people would be curious about it.
Kiri: because of the physics of the fifth dimension, the distance becomes a little tricky and irrelevant. The fact that the photon belt could pass twice in one week and then not pass again for another many, many thousand years is one of those things.
John: okay so on third dimensional earth and even though youíre in the same solar system in the fifth dimensionÖ.
John: the effects of the photon belt on the third dimension are profound, the effects of the photon belt in the fifth dimension are negligible.
Kiri: no, they are noticeable, they are noticeable but because of the physics, it is not as intense due to the fact that as weíve explained in the past, that sometimes the quickest way to get to the other side of the room is to actually go outside and come in through a totally different door. The way it works because of that is that the photon cloud at times can be stretched out so thin that itís not noticeable but other times it may be stretched so intense that its actual visitation will only be a matter of a day, two days and then itís gone again a year or 10 years or 30,000 years or 50,000 years.
John: so in the fifth dimension you donít have the same pattern that we experience in the third dimension?
Kiri: correct, thatís becauseÖÖ
John: itís about a 36,000 year pattern roughly.
Kiri: on your dimension yes but because of the way that the fifth dimensional works, it is impossible for it to actually do that. It is so wild and jumpy that itís real hard toÖÖ.
John: now letís discuss if any, the negative, negative aspects of the photon belt. Are there any negative implications?
Kiri: yes there are, yes there are. The fact is that certain individuals will react as Omal put it out of fear right? Which in itself, fear is a negative emotion. They will do things from fear, hurt people from fear, do many different nasty things through fear. Now the interesting thing is that the photon belt will have affect on channeling sessions. Most of them will be positive events, much better focusing and controlling because of the heightened awareness of the host body and you guys.
Kiri: you notice that at the moment youíre thinking very clearly, asking some wonderful questions and analyzing and extrapolating the information very, very well. This is A, due to the fact that.....Mark has cut his finger at some pointÖÖis due to the fact that the photon belt is leaving you much clearer and much freer with the vocal communication. It is also bringing up your spiritual vibration. At the moment youíre in a clear patch so there is no effect on this part of your planet from the photon belt. So that obviously a positive effect has occurred which is that you are thinking very deeply and clearly and following through instead of with some of the question that youíve asked in the past thatÖ..how did he do that? That heís asked in the past have been a little bit open ended if you know what I mean.
Kiri: weíre dealing of a technical nature and youíre asking very detailed, technical questions that keep things in a very deep flowing way whereas sometimes you will ask one question and move on to the next subject. Tonight for each person, you have dealt with their fields and you have asked wonderful questions. Yes, weíre quite happy with the way that the photon belt is affecting you guys.
Russ: question coercion wise.
Russ: okay, practicing coercion on Mark a couple nights ago andÖÖ
Kiri: that was cheating. (Blows a raspberry.)
Russ: Iíll take it anyway I can get it sweetheart.
Kiri: you know that he can beat you hands down whenever he wants.
Russ: well luckily I got first. Okay now then just for practice though, when working on it, I felt a more increased pressure on my head, almost like of vice a little bit.
Russ: when I was working it and it felt like I was increasing the channels that I use for in that coercive modeÖ..
Kiri: no youíre actually focusing them.
Russ: oh I am?
Kiri: yeah, youíre focusing them and itís kind of a feeling that everything on the inside has been tucked into that focus but there is a word of warning.
Kiri: right? Donít trigger Mark's self-defense mechanism when you do that.
Russ: probably won't have to worry about that ever in my entire life so it's not a....
Kiri: yeah I was about to say, donít trigger his hostile mode when heís concentrating elsewhere and you try to coerce him when he's not paying attention because I mean you'll see his head just snap around so fast and justÖÖ..the eyes are the thing to watch.
Kiri: because it will feel like youíre looking into dark, deep pools. I can do that really well. No Iím not going to do it. Iím tempted though just as a demonstration.
John: behave yourself would you please?
Kiri: I will endeavor to do so. But, answering a question thatÖÖ..answering a question that was asked earlier, thank you Tia, that was asked earlier concerning the positive and negative ramifications of somebody using their coercive ability to coerce somebody into their bedchamber.
Russ: oh yes, thatís right.
Kiri: uh-huh, now what is your question on that?
Russ: well, for example, we were discussing how that would be a turning point in a coercerís life.
Kiri: okay, this is how I handled it right? Was that the young lady had a problem right? An addiction to flowers and it was being a destructive influence on her life.
Kiri: right? I needed some way to replace that addiction with another addiction that was less harmful and Iíve tried different ways. Finally I was somewhat distracted one evening and she was intoxicated with flowers and it was a psychosomatic addiction. It wasnít a physical need, it was a psychological need that she had due to the fact that A, she was new to the sixth dimension and she was just learning her way and B, due to the fact that to achieve that ascension she had gone through a very tough experience in her previous life so she was still living out the tail end of her past life as well as living a new life so what I did was, basically I deflowered her in both ways.
John: was she a virgin?
Russ: (sighs) oh God.
Kiri: to woman yes.
Kiri: uh-huh. And she was very intoxicated one night and she was over visiting myself and a couple of college roommates and she was dancing on the table right? And I got her to strip which she had done before right? But instead of going down as far as her panties she went all the way right? She then hopped into my lapÖ..well planned and manipulated on my partÖ..she is a very nice young lady. I carried her into my room and I put her to sleep. I continued partying and later I went to bed, curled up next to her and she woke up and the probe had been put in deep enough that she woke up with a craving for something other than flowers because she was eating flowers almost continuously. You know she was eating about a quarter of what she physically needed and making up the rest with the nutrients from the flower plus getting absolutely hammered which means she was eating a lot of them. Right she woke up with this incredible craving right? And I happened to be dozing at that point right? And she gave me a kiss and I did what I thought was best right? She got very addicted to me personally which I managed to wean her off of me.
Kiri: and sheís a well-adjusted young lady, she has a happy family, sheís not as bisexual as you would think after spending a long period of time in my chambers. So using somebodyís coercive ability to put somebody in a place where it benefits them as well as yourself in a way. Like me replacing sexÖ..replacing the flowers with sex. It wasnít as harmful so therefore it was easier to make it better.
Russ: hmm okay, so it wasnít selfish, maybe partially a little bit butÖ.
Kiri: it was very enjoyable, I desired her. I really wanted her but I also knew the fact that if I coerced her just to sleep with me right? Then that wouldn't serve any purpose. I just wanted her for a one night fling, the fact that it turned into close to a year relationship and that I put her back together mentally was besides the point. Well, the one night stand was besides the point, the fact that it turned into a full-blown long relationship was what was necessary.
John: now on this dimension, with a man coercing a woman, a young woman okay? Is thatÖ.is that abuse of power?
Kiri: yes if there was no helpful intent, if it is just for satisfaction to dominate that individual. For example, getting back to the young lady, if Mark coerced her just because he desired her, that would be negative but if he coerced her to plant a thought of that she no longer desired the person that is abusing her and that she needs to find an excuse that sheís been unfaithful and she wants to leave him because sheís been unfaithful, then that is positive in an odd sort of way because sheís been taken out of the abusive situation and set upÖ..even though it was only a one night standÖ.has been set up to be free.
John: okay, now from a coercerís standpoint okay? Arenít there ramifications as far asÖ.as far as using your coercive power and getting this person in bed even though if your intentions are good, isnít there a yin and a yang where itís going to affect both people, both the coercer and the person who is being coerced?
Kiri: yes there is, there is and this is the tricky part right? The coercer can be put in the situation where he is tempted or she is tempted to continue the relationship even though itís not necessary anymore and basically what is happening at that point is that one badness has been replaced by another one. It has to be a one night stand only in that situation to be able to plant the seed for the seed to germinate. But, if the person ignores the other partner, then it becomes at that point negative again so it has to be done very, very carefully, there has to be that mutual respect. A good example actually of mutual respect is.........
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