Archivist Notes: Taking place two weeks
after last month's recording back in 1996, some
familiar items are discussed in a
follow-up to that session. It begins with a
review of the previous night's
forum where Tia and Kiri took over
Mark's body while he was on the base to answer questions with
anyone who came to the chat room that had
been arranged for the session. She quickly goes over some
points about the session before
noting that the keyboards of
Durondedunn and Sirius have more
letters than those we know.
Karra comes on next to
help with a
decision to get a flu
shot as well as covering
been providing a
friend in regards
to a difficult
she was in.
Tia gets in
on the recent
which leads to
that there is
no need for
police on the
up the side
with a quick
progress as a
Questions regarding the photon cloud and
its effects on the consciousness of the
planet start off side two with Omal negating some
of the more dramatic effects predicted
would arrive with it. Kiri takes
up the rest of side two with a promise to
make me an Energizer bunny
robot which would be the source of much amusement for years. She next identifies a
hidden UFO in a picture before giving
us a much better explanation of the photon belt and
of the changes she had
already. She finishes
up the session with a
true sexual healing.
She relates a time she
had to utilize her coercion
in a positive way
to break someone
(Tia is already in a conversation as we
John: the wrong person,
wastes valuable time.
Tia: wastes time? That is a misnomer. Some of your
silliest questions have produced quite long and
explanative examples and analogies that have been
quite profitable have they not?
John: thatís true.
John: so youíre telling me there is no such thing as a
John: to any one of you?
Tia: none whatsoever. No such thing as a silly
question. Okay hello, howís it going Russ?
Russ: real good.
John: Iím doing well. Yeah weíve got cats outside, a
herd of them.
Russ: well that's.......you can let her in, thatís
tells the cat hi in Durondedunn.)
John: oh hi Oddball.
Tia: thatís the mutant.
John: yeah, thatís the mutant kitty. Sheís a good one.
Tia: most of the time.
John: she's pretty good, pretty good.
Tia: okay, critique on last night please.
Russ: oh it went real well.
Russ: I thought it was a little disruptive at some
points where people tried to get their personal
information back and forth to each other in the middle
of a channeling session.
Tia: oh we just ignored those.
Russ: itís disruptive.
Tia: so how you doing Johnny?
John: Iím doing quite well.
Tia: yeah sorry we didnít get down to see you last
night but we were concerned about Markís energy
reserves. He was pretty tired as it was anyway.
John: yeah he was tired when he started and he was
really whipped when you guys finished up with him.
John: and yeah and as far as the computer channeling,
Iím just not comfortable with interacting with others.
Tia: yeah because I mean weíre concentrating or both
of us were concentrating. You couldíve probably done
it easier last night because one of us would have
answered whilst the other one carried on working.
John: oh okay, okay. So both of you were all over
Tia: yeah it was very confusing because I wanted to
type and Russ might have noticed that sometimes there
would be in brackets Tia or in brackets Kiri.
Tia: and it was sort of like a little add-on from
instead of both of us going ďyeah, this is how weíre
going to do it.Ē Directly from me or directly from
Russ: and Kiri saying how your typing is a little bit
Tia: yes, things like that.
Russ: I picked up on that.
John: well you donít use a conventional keyboard like
we use do you, is it similar?
Tia: we do use some of them for certain things. When
you have got a lot of people that are in the same room
working, itís easier to use a keyboard instead of have
everybody going murmur, murmur, murmur and all that
murmur, itís distracting on the computer.
John: oh okay, okay.
Tia: which does happen unfortunately. The fact that
keyboards are taught in Sirian schools I believe, yes
John: do you use the sameÖ..
Tia: no, thereís a few extraÖÖwell in Durondedunn, we
use keyboards and thereís like a dozen extra letters
John: okay, but do you use the same alphabet that
John: I believe our alphabet derives from the Arabians
am I correct, the English alphabet?
Tia: no, it originated from the Roman alphabet or the
Tia: but no, the Sirians have how many? Six more
letters and we have quite a few more in
John: oh okay.
Tia: I have to put on somebody to start off with.
Tia: and we will put that person on.
(Karra comes on as the next
Russ: hello Karra.
John: hey Karra.
Karra: greetings Johnny.
John: how you doing?
Karra: I am doing fine however, my other halfÖ..
Karra: is not.
John: yeah, Russ the love muscle.
Karra: he has a lot on his mind at the moment.
Russ: well you have to expect that.
Karra: yes, now first of all, what we want to do dear
is to stand up. Okay, now put your arms out, ninety
degrees from your body.....that's good.
Now inhale. A nice, long deepÖÖ.come on
inhaleÖÖ a nice, long deeeeeeepp inhale. Now exhale
very slowly, go......now, fill those lungs up quickly,
take a deep breath, go (inhales) hold itÖ...now
exhale. Okay, feeling better?
Karra: good, your energy was getting a little bit
concerning for Tia, she was watching it on the
Karra: when she turned her head to look at Kiri, she
was also looking at the monitor that is set up on the
Russ: oh really?
John: but that breathing exercise you just did with a
Russ, I can see that his fingers relaxed, he was a lot
John: and as soon as he started to breathe in, you can
see it was almost involuntary where his fingers.....
Russ: well you have to realize itís a little tough to
switch gears so quickly.
Karra: uh-huh, thatís why we had you do that.
Karra: yeah, your energy level was as Tia likes to put
it, was reaching a point of impatient explosion.
Russ: I was trying to channel some of it.
Karra: uh-huh, but it was reaching critical mass that
it wouldíve exploded in a rage of impatience.
Russ: sometimes it can be handy Iíve noticed in
Karra: yes, certain situations like last night after
the channeling session. Yes?
Russ: what happened then?
Karra: concerning the person that you were talking to.
Russ: who, Erica?
Karra: no. Last night.
Russ: oh you mean Lady Lorna? I mean the Muse.
Russ: oh the Muse yeah.
Karra: I think......I feel that she got what she
deserved from you, that she put herself or put you in
the position where you had to make a stand.
Russ: well she did, she basically ripped into Tia and
Russ: and hey, I'm not going to stand by for that one.
Karra: no. What was her phrase? Did anybody learn
anything new from this possession?
Russ: thatís right, I got some good ones in on that
Karra: uh-huh. Yes but I think she was a prime example
of somebody as Tia loves to say and it sounds so good,
an explosion of impatience.
Karra: sheís sitting there goingÖÖÖfeeling all
important. Okay now down to healing questions, do we
have any to start off with?
Russ: letís see, working with (Name removed) lately on
my healing techniques.
Russ: anything more I can advance on that one?
Karra: just keep preceding as you are but remember
that it is necessary to verbalize that in due course
and to help her focus her energy and to open her up so
that she can realize on her own the error and the
danger that she is in, Johnny?
John: yeah, I was going to get a flu shot and I know
in years past sometimes it depends on the vaccine they
use and sometimes they work good, sometimes they make
people sick, sometimes they're totally ineffective. I
donít even know what theyíre using this year, should I
go ahead and get one?
Karra: well itís up to you, it depends on how bad the
flu might be that you might get.
John: well the odds of getting flu in this communityÖ.
Karra: are pretty high.
John: are very high and with my lifestyle and with the
skiing and all, that adds to it and in the environment
that I work in........when I go in to a walk-in
refrigerator, basically itís an incubator for the flu
virus. If an employee goes into the walk-in before me
and coughs and has the flu, those airborne particles
live in that 34į temperature quite nicely.
John: and then I go in there to get some lettuce for
example or whatever and Iíve seen that happen before
and this place is big and thereís a lot of different
Karra: I think youíve just answered your own question
and whatís happened to Markís voice? Itís making me
sound a little husky, okay.....
Russ: want me to get you some tea or something?
Karra: no Iím fine.
Russ: a lozenge, a throat lozenge?
Karra: I think itíll be all right for a while.
John: I think itís Mark, I donít think itís you.
Karra: thatís better.
John: Mark got his flu shot, he complained about his
arm being sore.
Russ: I got mine.
John: you have?
Karra: but I think you've answered your own question
by saying that listing all the negatives that there
John: okay yeah.
Karra: yeah. So I would say it is your own choice, I
cannot say for you get the flu shot or do not get the
John: yeah I think I'm going to go ahead and get it.
Yeah youíre right, I answered my own question.
Karra: yeah and that is as Tia would say, it is a very
good question to ask. You have opened up the thought
process so that by talking to us or speaking out loud,
youíve worked it through, it is your choice.
John: thank you.
Karra: youíre welcome, next questions please.
Russ: yes when you mentioned about the error and the
danger that she's in, you're speaking of physical
health or mental health?
Karra: which one do you wish us to look at first?
Russ: how about the physical health?
Karra: physical health, well obviously thereís the
depression of the immune system throughÖ.
Karra: stress definitely, self-neglect because of not
being felt to be worthy or good. People in that
situation tend to be almost constantly sick. Also the
fact that drugs and alcohol are present and that she
could end up walking down that path. She has to be
very strong to avoid that physical danger because once
she walks down that path, itís going to be a long,
hard time for her to walk out of it.
Russ: thatís true.
Russ: all right, the mental.
Karra: mental. Well very similar to the physical, yeah
being constantly battered down mentally that she's not
worthy to have anybody better, that she is possible to
be in the victim cycle. "Now if I do this, right? He
wonít beat me, he wonít abuse me further but if I
donít do this, say for example cleaning. If I clean
the house the house looks nice but he doesnít like
that but I want to clean the house." So sheís in a
quandary, what does she do and she ends up doing
nothing and by becoming inactive, that gives her too
much time to think on trying to please this person and
thatís all she thinks about is that she's not worthy.
Karra: if she leaves him and I will put almost money
on this if I had some is, his comments will be, ďyou
will never make it on your ownĒ or words very close to
Russ: no doubt he'll try to break her down.
Karra: exactly. By breaking her down, her self-esteem
becomes very low, she becomes reliant upon him and of
pleasing him. If she gets pregnant, the situation gets
Russ: well weíre just going to wait-and-see
Russ: because right now is the time where she has to
make her own decisions and those are the ones that
will be the most important for her.
Karra: thatís correct. From listening when you and
Mark were talking to her, she was opened wide by Mark,
she was peeled like marshmallow with his coercive
Karra: and he put some very deep thoughts into her
that sheís thinking about but they will have to be
reactivated from time to time.
Karra: and we will work on that together as a team.
Karra: now I would like to add about coercion, now
this is open for either of you to comment on, is what
Mark is doing with his coercion good or bad?
Russ: itís good.
John: itís good.
Russ: because heís using it to help someone else.
John: and heís also refining his techniques so itís a
Karra: uh-huh exactly.
Russ: heís not using it in a selfish manner.
John: heís got good intentions and he's helping
himself and heís helping this person.
Karra: exactly, now, if he coerced her to go to bed
with him, is that good or bad?
Russ: selfish motives.
John: I donít see it as being bad if his motives are
not selfish. If itís more than just a sexual you know,
if thereís more than just sex to it, I donít see it as
Karra: John, both of you are correct actually. If it
is to make her feel guilty and to get away from the
danger, the motive is a very, very tricky area. The
motive has to be of the most purest kind and if he
enjoys it, that is irrelevant.
Russ: well I donít know Karra, thatís playing with
some serious gray areas there.
Russ: if he wants to stay on the third dimension for
the next couple life times, yeah......
Karra: not necessarily, not necessarily.
Russ: yeah but itís such a fine line, I mean weíre not
Karra: to make that call.
Russ: to make the call or to fine tune our coercion
down to that type of motive.
Russ: I mean thereís going to be other subtler hints
going in there thatís going to cloud that coercion
from the start. I mean thereís no way we could have
yours or Omalís type of focused coercion.
Karra: no but it would be the ultimate test of the
coercive ability of Mark.
Russ: yeah but what if he fails? It ain't worth the
Karra: but what of the price if he succeeds?
Russ: itís negligible.
Karra: no itís not, itís a great step forward because
it is the difference between coercion in a negative
form and you should see no negative coercion in a
positive form. Now Iím not really qualified to answer,
to put it into words properly, Kiri is but Iím not.
Russ: weíll approach Kiri with this one I think.
Russ: Iím sure sheís had to deal with this a couple
Karra: yes I think she is the right person to answer
things on that.
John: whatís your thoughts on it Karra?
Karra: my thoughts are that Mark would never do that
in the first place but I had to say it to explain a
point on coercion.
John: okay, because I donít see Mark doing that, I
think I know the man pretty well and I canít see him
Karra: well the one thing that really, really
impresses me about Mark is his high moral standards
but also there is the negative side to his high moral
standards is that he lives by or tries to live by his
high moral standards and frequently he makes the
mistake of expecting other people to live by those
high moral standards and when they fail, he's
John: Mark is a man of honor, there's no doubt about
that but no, heís got a learn to live with people with
different codes of honor than himself and myself I
mean you know, Russ is a good example.
Karra: yes, Russ has no code of honor.
Russ: I donít know, Iíve got an area code, does that
Karra: which one's that? Is that the 916?
John: 916. 916 yeah, unlisted.
Karra: I'm just joking.
Russ: can I use that?
Karra: 916, personally I prefer code 69.
Russ: ahh yes, I do too.
John: yeah, yeah.
Karra: anyway okay, last questions on the healing
before I have to hop out?
John: alrighty then, you donít mind if I go first do
Russ: no please, help yourself.
John: all right, as far as the planetary healing and
the consciousness of the people on the planet becoming
more aware and the planetary healing, I see it
happening amongst all the corruption and bullshit that
goes on. I do see it happening, how do you perceive
Karra: yes it is definitely happening, more people are
aware of what is going on. Tia just handed me a little
note in spidery handwriting that looks very similar to
Sirian but not quite, it is just about legible but
what it saysÖ.
John: what language is it in?
Karra: it is in Sirian, I'm just harassing her.
Karra: but what it says is that a politician was
accused on a TV performance, a political analyzing
program that he was accused of wanting to pollute the
air and the water and his reply was, ďI breathe that
air, I drink that water. Why would I want to pollute
it?Ē And the person that was accusing him just talked
right over his statements of, ďwhy would I want to
poison myself, why would I want to poison my children
or my grandchildren?Ē And this person was a Republican
political person and the other person was a liberal
television announcer. I canít read the names too
clearly but the fact that this person was accused of
something that he wasÖ..felt very strongly against,
shows that the people have always been more into
industry and making money are also aware of the
necessary to heal the planet so that their life can be
improved and made better. The fact that some people
use it to make them look bad by talking over them and
shouting them down when they try to make these points
is irrelevant. The fact remains that even the people
that have always been looked upon as money grabbing
industrialists are just as concerned if not more then
those that arenít politically conservative.
John: would you hand Tia a little note that says that
I strongly disagree and I will discuss politics with
John: thank you Karra.
Karra: youíre welcome, Russ?
Russ: yeah, the next phase in training I think should
go to is self-healing?
Karra: not yet, sheís not quite ready for that because
of the environment that sheís in.
Karra: yes it is a logical step once she has been
healed and has been put in a situation where she is in
control, where she as she puts it, feels in control
not where she is being controlled.
John: can I interact on that briefly?
Karra: certainly, but it costs.
John: thatís okay, I can handle the payment no matter
what it is.
Karra: Iím just joking.
John: but wouldnít it be helpful for Russ to put some
tools in this young womanís mind to help her along the
way? Because for her to get out of this situation, she
needs to start to do some self-healing, some mental
Karra: yes and no, the fact is that for her to
concentrate on the mental healing will take energy
that is necessary for other things. Also the fact that
she will heal herself but it will be torn straight
back down again. It is a pointless exercise to build a
wall if it is only can be knocked down. If you build a
wall of sand on the beach, what happens to the wall of
John: yeah but if you build a brick wall and it gets
knocked down halfway, doesnít that give you a better
base to start from again?
Karra: sometimes yes but in this case no........
Karra: for the simple reason that those building
blocks that would be left standing would be more of a
hindrance because each case is different. Certainly
they are similar, but they're also very different.
Okay thank you.
John: thank you very much.
Russ: farewell Karra.
(Tia rejoins to answer
John's question and then hands
off to Omal.)
Tia: politics huh?
John: (laughs) sheís back.
Tia: you want to discuss it with me? Before we move on
to the next person, why do you feel that way?
Russ: Iím going to start with some tea.
Tia: okay. Why do you feel that way Johnny?
John: because in your group.....
John: you seem to be the political expert and
you seem to be the one whoís the most concerned and
in our channeling last weekÖ.
John: which was very lengthy and very intense....
Tia: yes, uh-huh.
Korton supported you quite wholeheartedly.
Tia: yes and then he also did tear into me about my
John: well yes, yes and thatísÖÖand thatÖÖI mean I
donít think you should take him tearing into your
emotions as an insult.
Tia: no, no I donít.
John: but I mean IÖ..Iím trying to formalize my
questions better and ask the right people the right
questions so we donít waste time.
Tia: thank you, I appreciate it.
John: and you do seem to be the political expert.
Tia: no I wouldnít say I am the political expert, Omal
certainly has more knowledge on the matters but Iíve
become more politically aware by studying your earth
politics. Itís something that I can look back in the
history books from my planet or if I look back into my
and remember the history lessons and I see
things happening. Now I know the remedies, I know
whatís going to happen and I know whoís right and I
know whoís wrong and whoís trying to head in a
particular path and itís sort of like, ďno, no, no, no
do it this way, do it this way otherwise this is going
to happen. No youíve done it the wrong way.Ē What do I
do you know? Itís something that gets very frustrating
for me to know that your planet is heading down a
pathway that my planet headed down and to watch these
symptoms that we now know the cure for. But I canít
tell you what the cure is and if I do, nobodyís going
to listen anyway so what do I do? Itís a feeling of
hopelessness, itís like seeing a child running down a
rail line track and seeing the locomotive coming and
you know that the child is not going to get off the
track and the trainís not going to stop and itís going
to be a horrible mess, what do you do? You canít run
down there and stop the child because by the time you
run down there, the train's already going to be past
John: now do you understand the frustration that a lot
of us have?
Tia: oh yes.
John: including me. I mean it wouldnít matter how I
voted, I mean the politics I have no
say between the politics between China and the United
John: I canít do anything to change that.
Tia: and that is something that I do see that the fact
that youíre not the only person. The fact that there
was only 8% difference right? In the
winner and the second-place person. They talk about a
John: well no, it wasnít really a landslide.
John: and the thing is too, youíve got to take into
consideration that only 49% of the population voted.
Tia: uh-huh. That's about half the population.
John: out of half the population, half of them voted
for the man that weíve got in there in office.
John: so if you take that 25% of the American
population in the adult voting age, voted for our
John: president, 25%.
Tia: that is appalling.
John: thatís only a quarter of the voting population.
Tia: that is appalling, it is shocking that itís got
to the point where people are so indifferent in who is
elected. And also something else that was very, very
surprising that I came across in my research the other
day is that there was a large number of immigrants
sworn in as citizens and as a rule, about 80% of
immigrants that are sworn in as citizens in their
first election will vote for the incumbent. Now the
fact that this may add up to less than .001 of a
percent is irrelevant on the number but
the fact is that they were hurried through so that
they could vote at that time for the election. By
presidential decree, hurry them through,
them so that they are able to vote. I mean
that strikes me as manipulation, the fact that it was
an insignificant number is besides the point. Itís the
principle and ethnic partÖ..
John: itís good politics is what it is. I
mean itís the way our political system works.
Tia: uh-huh it works and as a rule it works reasonably
well but the setup has reached a point where it is so
gray and corrupt that itís really not decided by the
people anymore. It's decided by the press, it's
decided by governmental agencies and business factors
John: what political law enforcement group do you have
on Hades Base to control the base? Youíve got to have
some kind of control, some kind of.....what kind of
political law enforcement base do you use there?
Tia: we donít, we have a military defense force which
is primarily for the defense of the base but we donít
have elections. We donít elect the leader or the
boss of the base, we donít elect leaders
of departments, those people get them
on the merit of how hard they work. The only people
that we elect are for entertainment such as the ski
racing, the track team.
John: so you donít have law enforcement officers like
we do have down here?
Tia: no, no, not needed.
John: theyíre not necessary?
Tia: no, not necessary at all. If IÖ..
John: what if a pilot would get out of hand with
drinking too much and maybe ingesting some flowers or
something and getting out of hand? Howís that dealt
Tia: he is reprimanded by his commanding officer,
is dealt with by them. To restrain him, they would
probably jump on him and hold him down until they
could get a restraining device but as a rule,
nobody gets that out of control. Pilots injuring
themselves by going "yes" through damaged windows is
something that happens. They get so pumped up with
adrenaline that they increase their own strength but
thatís natural, that happens.
John: and that pilotís fine who did that isnít he?
Tia: oh yes, you canít even see the scratches but
the fact is that they police themselves. Yeah,
ingesting too much wine as a rule tends to make us
very silly and bubbly but we donít get aggressive. The
pilots and the defense force may get aggressive but
they know that they may have to defend the base
at a momentís notice so that they donít get as you
might put it, that blotto.
John: okay, so essentially what youíre saying is, you
Tia: yes, uh-huh.
John: very interesting.
Tia: yes beanpole?
Russ: that's alright.
Tia: okay, let me put on the next person. (Speaking to people on the base.) Will
somebody get that bloody rabbit out of here? That one,
that's the only one in here.
John: my rabbit skin bag?
Russ: no, sheís talking to up on the base through the
pyramid.....one of the new kid toys for the kids.
Tia: Kiri, Kiri just pick it up by the ears okay fine,
Iíll take care of it.
(Omal begins a very informative
Omal: greetings and welcome and farewell to the
departing person. (Russ steps out of the
room for a bit.) Greetings
John: greetings Omal, how you doing today?
Omar I am doing well and yourself?
John: Iím doing quite well.
Omal: that is good. Okay, let us get down to business
and address the matter at hand. Let me start off with
a brief little speech on how you are doing as
a group. You are developing
along the guided lines that you have set forth
yourselves, the development of
each individual is progressing on a nice pathway of a
spiritual level. It is important that you learn to
work a little bit more closely together in matters on
a spiritual level, that
each of you have your own beliefs but yet these
beliefs should be able to work together as a perfect
unit. The understanding of your own personal abilities
is also developing at a nice reasonable pace. It is
not being hurried and therefore errant and not being
analyzed and picked to pieces so therefore it is not
slow. It is arriving at the point that you yourselves
as I said before have been predetermined. Okay,
John: what can we do to bring us together closer as a
Omal: maybe sit down and eat together instead of Russ
going upstairs, Mark sitting at the computer, you
coming down here. Actually sit together, maybe ingest
some wine, plan a dessert and actually sit down and relax
and unwind at dinner. Talk about whatís on your minds.
Eat together, remove the distractions of felines and
radios and computers and talk together. Tell funny
stories, jokes instead of eating in separate parts of
the house. Maybe once a week or once every other week,
this will bring you closer together.
John: all right, thank you.
Russ: Omal correct?
Omal: yes, I hope so.
Russ: just checking. Now you and Tia are not allowed
to give us the answers of what would save our planet
from the problems that happened on Durondedunn and
Sirius I assume as she said.
Omal: I think it is more of a restraint that Tia has
on herself about what happened on Durondedunn is
happening on your planet and she restrains herself
which is wise. Yes we do have a non-interference pact
but as Tia pointed out, if you said what the answers
and remedies are, nobody would listen.
Russ: true and you have given a few clues here and
Omal: yes, Iím a little bit harsher and because I am
base commander I do have to follow the rules and set
Russ: right. Now when you mention working together
closer here as a group......
that could exponentially mean also working
together closer as a race?
Omal: that is your own analogy and assumption. It is
something that I really canít confirm or deny at this
Russ: okay, John?
John: question threw me.
Russ: oh sorry.
John: I had a train of thought and......
Russ: okay, well onto that next phase then, the photon
Omal: ahh, yes.
Russ: currently there is a lot of
information thatís on the web that is pretty misleading
and most of it false.
Russ: what I'd like to do is focus a little bit on
that so I could perhaps get that on the web as soon as
Russ: just as being as we
entered into it, now I'd like to get the
I interject briefly please?
John: alright, there's an awful
lot of questions and curiosity about the
photon belt, there's an awful lot
of misinformation out there....
Omal: oh yes, most certainly
there's an awful lot of people who
are really, really curious about
this so it is
that we get this information
out there and get correct
information out there.
that is correct.
Omal: continue Russ.
Russ: well what I would
like then basically is a
dissertation that I can put on the web.
Omal: hmmm, okay.
(We all laugh.)
to put you on the spot or
let me manifest my
cane and my hat.
Okay, I'm putting
I'm putting on
now let me be
little bit of
Omal: okay, now what is the photon belt? Well, it is
an energy field that will gradually and slowly
surround your planet. At first......thank
you Kiri.....Kiri says that there
is information already
on the Internet that both her
and Tia downloaded into Mark's computer that was used
last night to start the channeling session. (When they
had control of his body.)
Omal: that itself should be taken and used....
Omal: at the beginning of the
Omal: okay now let us look
closely at the photon energy field itself. The idea
that it is a belt that will surround your planet is a
misnomer. It is more of a cloud and like clouds,
you get gaps and dense areas and thin areas
that are not as strong as other areas. At first you
will go through the almost nebulous part of the photon
cloud that will have a little effect to start off
with. People will be aware of the feeling that
something is happening, that is true. What also is
occurring is that the spirituality of people is
becoming more aware. They are developing their
abilities, their vibrational levels are being brought
up gradually bit by bit by the energy inflow from the
photon cloud. The fact that it will surround your
planet almost like a belt is understandable but it
would be a misnomer to call it a photon belt. It would
be better to call it a photon pocket, because you will
be within the cloud as a spherical crystal is within
the pocket. But what is occurring on a spiritual level
is as I said at first people will feel that there is
something happening, I believe Kiri called it a
building feeling, like something is building inside
them. And at times you will be outside the energy
cloud as it is at the moment just a thin, wispy
leading edge of the photon cloud. Later, as you
penetrate deeper and I believe that will happen around
about 2014, you will feel more in contact with what
has gone before and the possibilities of what is to
come. With the development of the abilities, there
will be unfortunately a start of
the polarizing between those that are
spiritually aware, those that think they're
spiritually aware and those that are not. All three
groups will be poles apart. If it was possible to have
three poles, that is what would occur. Individuals
that feel they are aware spiritually but are not will
present the biggest problem. They will be in the
majority but they will also be the people that will
spread lies and dissent and push the two groups that
could work together further apart. There are examples
of these individuals that occur frequently in daily
life, I have received reports about some of them. What
occurs is they use whatever media they can, whether it
is in your papers, in your entertainment devices that
they will push people away and cause problems. Some of
them in a very odd turn of fate will try to claim that
they have abilities and that individuals that really
do, donít. But what they actually do is themselves a
disservice by saying they have all these abilities and
that somebody doesnít, they will actually push the
people away from them towards the people that really
do that they claim do not. I think this
should be enough for you to start off with....
or do you wish more?
Russ: no Iíd like to address now some of the more
fantastical aspects of what's been out
Omal: okay, five days of darkness? Nope. Ice age?
Nope. Let me seeÖvolcanic activity increase? Nope. No
not an increase in earthquake activity
although it might be entertaining to buy some beach
front property and sell it to those people that
believe so. No, that won't happen either Russ.
Okay.....oh sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
Russ: that's alright.
pole shift, no that is not contributed to it. Okay let us
hear the rest of yours before I start going, "no,
SIDE ONE ENDS
(With little missing between side
changes, the questions continue.)
Russ: our space time......oh, space
and time will be altered and our system will be
possibly hurled into a higher dimension.
Omal: sorry, I find that very unlikely. Next
Russ: okay, all energy on earth, batteries and
electrical will all be reduced to nothing,
null and void and we will now have to learn
how to use photon energy instead.
Omal: that one does actually have a ring of
truth in it.
Omal: yes but the fact that the energy
will be drained is wrong. Photon energy will be
learned how to be used and harnessed but this
will be used in an odd sort of way. Cold fusion
in the next twenty to thirty years will become a
reality. With cold fusion comes the ability to
create an inexhaustible supply of energy,
in turn you will be able to
create artificial photons.
Russ: hmm okay, it
will last two thousand years.
Omal: that is close to the truth as well.
Omal: maybe it was
just a extra zero put on there.
Russ: oh. It will effect
us in our gravitational fields?
Russ: all of our molecules and atoms will get
Omal: yes but in a odd sort of way. The feeling
of building, molecules and atoms not as such but
certainly molecules and atoms within
individual's spiritual fields will
Russ: okay so it will alter consciousness?
Omal: I believe that is a yes but it is not the
consciousness of the mind that they're talking
about, it is the consciousness of the inner
self. Those as I stated that do have abilities
will be more consciously aware.
Russ: oh okay. Alright
and the one you read my mind on,
the intergalactic federation has
put ships in position to lessen the effect and
fix the ozone holes within the first hours of
Omal: my sentiments exactly.
on the web, I've got to put it out here
Omal: my sentiments
Russ: alright. Okay, increased
Omal: yes but that is not due to the photon
is just a normal, natural cycle.
Russ: alrighty, temperature changes
Omal: again that is a normal natural cycle of
Russ: okay, now what I
want to go on to the physical
aspects that are present that are being felt....
Russ: okay? On a personal
note and that is the fact of a
feeling of pressure building, sort of like a
atmospheric pressure almost in the mornings, an
increase in astral travel ability,
increased coercive faculties........
Omal: an increase in gifts as Tia
put it last night.
Russ: right and personal life changes.
Omal: personal life changes
cannot be attributed to the photon cloud.
Russ: okay. Now then,
can we determine what part of the day we are
experiencing the photon particles within as we
go through them?
Omal: yes, you will feel the difference at
particular junctures of the day. As
your planet passes or the photon
cloud passes over you, will
depend if it is passing on the left side or the
right side of your planet, the light or the dark
side, to the north, to the south, to the East,
to the West. You will feel it as it flows over
Russ: and it would be, let's say once
every twenty four hours then?
Omal: sometimes more, sometimes less to start
closer you get to actually entering the cloud,
the more often the occurrences will be. It is
like watching an aircraft flying into a cloud, sometimes
you see it because there is a hole in the cloud,
sometimes you donít.
Russ: hmm okay. So, we'll be
fully into it by 2014?
Russ: so weíll be approximately halfway through
it about 2005?
Omal: halfway towards full immersion, yes.
Russ: yes okay. Now will this
have anything to do with the predictions, Tia's
this have a visible
effect upon what's going to be going on?
Omal: it is really hard to say exactly
how the majority of the people are going
to be affected by this photon cloud. The last
time it had passed, there was already the
occurrence of great disarray before the energy
field arrived. In some parts of your planet when
it came, those disruptions were lessened and in
other parts it was intensified so
it is really hard to say how it will effect the
majority of the people. Some of the people will
react in different ways. Some will act in fear,
some will act out of surprise, some will act out
of shock. It will be all different reactions. It
is really hard to say exactly what will happen.
It is one of those factors that we try to plan
for but we cannot fully predict.
Russ: okay. Now Iíve heard
two reports on our passage of our earth through
the cloud, one is
24,000 years and one is 12,000 years. The 12,000
due to the fact that it takes....what
is it? I think we go through it
twice every 24,000 years so it's every 12,000
years, which is
the actual number?
Omal: neither actually.
Russ: oh! Well this will be good for the net.
Russ: what is the actual number then?
you go through approximately every
Russ: ahh, well that
makes a difference.
Omal: if you add the two numbers together, what
do you get?
Russ: right, 36,000 yes. Now at the
point of Earthís history that it went through
last time were at the waning
days of Atlantis....
Russ: so that situation was already on the way
Russ: and the cloud merely polarized the various
Russ: leading to its final goodnight kiss.
Omal: that is an odd way of putting it but yes.
Russ: yeah well, it just comes out
once in a while like that. Alrighty, now
there is a channeling that says that it will
stabilize our weather patterns?
Omal: again it is one of those factors that we
really do lack information on. Certain personnel
that visit the base have more information than I
have at my hands. I am more concerned with what
is going on on your planet. The last time I
watched with anxiety as these events occurred.
It was not the first time that I have witnessed
these events when they occurred in the waning
days of Atlantis. When
it happened the first time that I witnessed it,
it was not so as intense so this
time I watch things with trepidation wondering
if it will be a repeat performance of Atlantis
or the earlier visitation. It is really hard for
me to say. So watching and waiting is all that
we can really do at this time unless
higher personnel wish to let us know exactly
what is going on.
Russ: okay. John, do you
want to interject anything just yet?
Russ: go ahead.
John: Iíd like to get into more of the
physics of this photon cloud or patch,
it is something that our
planet and solar system passes through?
Omal: yes, it is not a visible cloud. It is an
energy cloud that is made up of various photonic
particles that react to each other in an
agitated state creating an enhanced energy field
which, if you were to condense it into a visible
form, would appear like a shimmering mist that
that you can see through. The way that it works
is that each photon is bouncing off of each
other photon which is creating energy bursts
that can be felt.
John: does our galaxy through its travels pass
through it or is it part of
our galaxy that our solar system passes through.
Omal: itís part of your galaxy. If it was
something that your galaxy passes through it
would be a once only until the contraction
occurs and then it would pass through it again.
But the fact remains that it is part of your
galaxy in its rotational pathway.
John: and in a rotation through
our galaxy, the
solar system passes through this photon
cloud about every 36,000 years?
Omal: pretty much so.
It is not exactly 36,000 years.
well I used the correct term, I
It varies in difference between
500 to a 100 years.
the size of the cloud vary?
Omal: yes it does, it is the same cloud that was
passed through but because of
the rotation of your galaxy, it increases and
decreases with certain cycles generated in the
heart of your galaxy. These circumstances which
increase and decrease in size vary wildly with
energy pulses from such things as pulsars,
quasars and super novas and also
black holes. The more energy that is given off
by these objects that interact with a black hole
of a interesting size depends on the size of the
John: does it affect.....I
mean I realize it affects
the whole solar system, does it
affect the other
planets as much as it affects Earth?
Omal: it depends on the gravitational field and
also the organic matter upon those planets.
John: is there life, other life in
the solar system besides the planet Earth?
Omal: I really canít answer that at this time.
John: I didnít think so, I thought I'd ask.
Omal: it was worth a try was it not? Okay, last
Russ: okay, was the first time that you
witnessed this Lemuria?
Omal: no it was after actually, if
you do the mathematics you will see where and
when it was.
John: yeah back to the
photon belt and our solar system passing
through this, I would assume
and let me know if I'm correct, that other solar
systems and other galaxies experience very similar
Omal: yes, they do, they do. Sirius for example
will be entering it in approximately or reaching
your stage in approximately
to fifty years. Alpha Centari, shortly before
that. Other galaxies we really canít give you
that much information on as they are outside our
sphere of influence but I would
assume so from research expeditions that have
spent an enormous amount of time and energy
traveling from one galaxy to another and
returning possibly have
information that similar events do occur in
those galaxies. You have to remember that the
nearest neighboring galaxy is two million light
years away. Thank you.
John: thank you very much.
Russ: thank you Omal, very
(Tia ushers on the next speaker.)
that the Kiri monster?
Russ: no thatís Tia.
John: tea time?
Tia: I think so.
John: alrighty then.
she's doing a Marcel Marceau impersonation.
you want some tea Russ?
Tia: okay I shall put on
the next person.
to Kiri.) Okay
sure? Can you keep that bloody thing out, please? What do
you mean you canít catch it? Huh!
John: that was a fascinating little conversation with
John: you didnít mind me touching on the physics of it did
John: I think it helped clarify the whole thing.
Russ: quite well I think.
(Kiri wraps up the session in her own unique way.)
Kiri: yeah, hello. We need to go and awake upÖÖ..Tiaís gone
to wake up Diana. (One of the Cubs.)
Russ: get her rabbit out of the house?
Kiri: uh-huh because you know Tia caught it, held onto it,
handed it to me right? And it went limp because it
was in restraints. I put it down and off it goes. The other
option is that we just let it bounce around all night until
the battery runs down. The only person that can switch it
John: so itís a mechanical rabbit?
John: that you cannot shut off?
John: kind of like the Energizer bunny that we have in our television
John: very similar?
Kiri: yes, this one will keep going for about 12 hours
Russ: have a little drum on this thing going bang, bang,
Kiri: Iíll make one for you dear.
Russ: thank you, that will be very wonderful. (Ed. note: I
would live to regret these words.)
Kiri: uh-huh and of course
because it will only be moving slowly, the battery will last
I should say continuous use.......
(Lots of laughter
Russ: just set it off, put it in the room and make it so
that only I can turn it off. Karra would kill it. She'll
take a baseball bat and sheíll just literally take it to its
Kiri: I can make it go continuously without stoppingÖÖ..if I put
a little bit of a brain in there, I can have it work out a
particular path that wouldÖÖ..I can have it going for a year
and a half without needing a recharge, is that which you
Russ: thatís it, a year and a half.
John: a year and a half, oh man.
Kiri: you want to stop every so often and go with the
drumsticks and then off again?
Russ: there you go.
Kiri: cool, I can do that.
Russ: it will last all of an hour when the novelty wears off
and Karra just throws it in somebodyís pool.
Kiri: Iíll make it waterproof. Do you want me to make it out
of the same substance that I made the rabbits here out of?
Russ: yeah sure.
John: yeah put a little pair of goggles on it too just in
Russ: she'll stick it out on Wookie Mountain, out in the
Kiri: I made the ones here, I dropped weights of
approximately one of your tons on it from about 50 feet
repeatedly to test the strength.
Kiri: all three of them have been through that test and all
three of them survived with flying colors, not even a
structural tweak apart from one has a slightly tweaked ear
but that was because the sensor picked up a indentation in
the weight and read it as being deeper than it was but
thatís only the sensor in the ear.
this made out of?
Kiri: itís made out of a mixture of a Duridium and I canít
tell you the rest.
you guys are right on top of it, I think I could just slide
one of these questions in but my friend took this photograph
and thereís been a lot of conversation about it and she
really believes itís Ashtar ships in those clouds. Now to me
it looks like a very interesting cloud formation but she did
ask me to ask you.
Kiri: itís a thundercloud.
John: yeah. Is thereÖ?
Kiri: it's cumulus and cirronimbus.
John: yeah, is there any ships associated with that
photograph whatsoever that you can see through Markís eyes?
think we can do better than that.
Russ: ask Omal.
John: yeah I didnít want toÖ..
Kiri: yes, a very little one.
John: there is a small spaceship?
Kiri: yes, but itís not in the cloud.
John: but there is a small spaceship in that photograph?
Kiri: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: can you see it or is it hidden by the clouds?
Kiri: itís actually a rock that shouldnít be there. I canít
see it, I can see it on the monitor.
it's a ship?
John: but the ship is associated more with the rocks there?
Kiri: it's, itís down low here. The clouds were
removed by the computer, thatís why I was moving it was to
get it into the best point that I could get a good view at
it for the monitor and it stripped away all the clouds and
analyzed everything and yes, there is a ship in that
John: all right.
Kiri: itís just a matter of it being located and stripping
away the clouds and everything which is what we had to do was we
had to look for a error in the picture. So you can tell your
John: yes, there is a spaceship in this picture.
Russ: but itís not in the clouds.
John: that is confirmed.
Kiri: yeah but as I was about to say, donít tell if itís in
the clouds or not. You can tell her itís in the clouds
because yes, it is close to the clouds. They were probably
was in the clouds.......
Kiri: at one point.
John: but thisÖ.
Kiri: donít want to break her heart too much.
John: no I donít but the spaceship and this particular cloud
formation which is quite naturalÖ.
John: has no correlation directly?
John: all rightÖ.that clarifies it for me.
Kiri: it might have made it more denser as it passed through
but thatís about all.
Kiri: uh-huh. But it certainly does look like some UFO
pictures that Iíve seen.
John: can you tell me where the spaceship in this photograph
Kiri: itís hard to say to identify it. It could be one of
ours, it could be somebody elseís.
John: okay, because thereís a lot of people that really want
to believe that itís one of yours.
themÖÖtell them that we could neither confirm nor deny that
it might be one of ours.
Kiri: that way itís open to conjecture and it will keep the
majority of them happy because they will reason thus, "because
they can neither confirm nor deny it, it is more than likely
one of theirs."
John: thatís true.
John: thatís how I would rationalize it butÖ.
John: thatís me, Iím a unique individual.
Kiri: yeah but I cannot confirm that it is one of ours
because it is too small to tell.
Kiri: the quality and the imagery, we couldn't it enhance it
to get a definite identification. Now if the pilot was
looking down and goingÖÖthen I would say it was
one of ours without a shadow of a doubt.
John: okay you gave me a lot more information than I thought
you would and IímÖ
Kiri: itís worth a try isnít it?
John: well yeah and you know and you canít blame me for
trying, I mean isn't that why weíre here?
John: is for an exchange of information?
Kiri: exactly, that is why you are here.
a big yawn.
Russ: (yawns) how are you?
Kiri: Iím doing fine.
Kiri: you want to give that young lady a call
now and Johnny and myself will continue discussing the
Russ: I have a question real quick.
Russ: did the photon belt go through Sirius prior to its
Kiri: yes, that would be self-evident would it not?
Russ: not really. It mightíve been a natural ecological
change before it went through but the photon belt would make
more sense as to the general shift in consciousness and
everything that happened.
Kiri: I think it happened a couple of times. Well Iím pretty
sure that there are four recorded occurrences before the
ascension but that doesnít mean to say that four is the
number because that would mean that you would have number
36,000 to go before your planet......
John: and Omal confirmed three.
John: for us so weíd be going through our fourth one.
Russ: no, he confirmed two and we're going through our third
one that he knows of.
Kiri: yeah, exactly.
John: yeah youíre right, that is the answer.
Russ: but if it goes through every 36,000 yearsÖ..
John: now since youíre an engineer and itís nothing critical
against Russ but Iím real curious about the physics of this
okay? And he put it as the photon belt passing through
Sirius. Now in reality, isnít Sirius and the Sirian solar
system passing through this belt? I mean which
is more correct?
Kiri: itís both actually, whatís actually occurring is that
you have Sirius coming towards it right? And as the cloudÖÖ
John: and the cloud is in motion also?
John: so both things are in motion?
John: okay so the same thing would apply with earth and our
passing through the photon belt?
John: the belt is in motion or the patch or
cloud which Omal preferred to use okay? We'll
use patch, the photon patch and the solar systemÖ.our solar
Kiri: are both in motion.
John: are both in motion.
John: now well since youíre on Hades BaseÖ.
John: okay? And youíre in our solar system and youíll also
be passing through the beltÖ.
John: isn't it going to affect Hades Base at all?
Kiri: no, no because the base is in the fifth dimension. Now
weíve explained the fifth dimension many times.
John: yeah, yeah.
John: I think itís a good question though.
Kiri: yeah, yeah. But becauseÖ..
John: a lot of people would be curious about it.
Kiri: because of the physics of the fifth dimension, the
distance becomes a little tricky and irrelevant. The fact
that the photon belt could pass twice in one week and then
not pass again for another many, many thousand years is one
of those things.
John: okay so on third dimensional earth and even though
youíre in the same solar system in the fifth dimensionÖ.
John: the effects of the photon belt on the third dimension
are profound, the effects of the photon belt in the fifth
dimension are negligible.
Kiri: no, they are noticeable, they are noticeable but
because of the physics, it is not as intense due to the fact
that as weíve explained in the past, that sometimes the
quickest way to get to the other side of the room is to
actually go outside and come in through a totally different
door. The way it works because of that is that the photon
cloud at times can be stretched out so thin that itís not
noticeable but other times it may be stretched so intense
that its actual visitation will only be a matter of a day,
two days and then itís gone again a year or 10 years or
30,000 years or 50,000 years.
John: so in the fifth dimension you donít have the same
pattern that we experience in the third dimension?
Kiri: correct, thatís becauseÖÖ
John: itís about a 36,000 year pattern roughly.
Kiri: on your dimension yes but because of the way that the
fifth dimensional works, it is impossible for it to actually
do that. It is so wild and jumpy that itís real hard toÖÖ.
John: now letís discuss if any, the negative, negative
aspects of the photon belt. Are there any negative
Kiri: yes there are, yes there are. The fact is that certain
individuals will react as Omal put it out of fear right?
Which in itself, fear is a negative emotion. They will do
things from fear, hurt people from fear, do many different
nasty things through fear. Now the interesting thing is that
the photon belt will have affect on channeling sessions.
Most of them will be positive events, much better focusing
and controlling because of the heightened awareness of the
host body and you guys.
Kiri: you notice that at the moment youíre thinking very
clearly, asking some wonderful questions and analyzing and
extrapolating the information very, very well. This is A,
due to the fact that.....Mark has cut his finger at some
pointÖÖis due to the fact that the photon belt is leaving
you much clearer and much freer with the vocal
communication. It is also bringing up your spiritual
vibration. At the moment youíre in a clear patch so there is
no effect on this part of your planet from the photon belt.
So that obviously a positive effect has occurred which is
that you are thinking very deeply and clearly and following
through instead of with some of the question that youíve
asked in the past thatÖ..how did he do that? That heís asked
in the past have been a little bit open ended if you know
what I mean.
Kiri: weíre dealing of a technical nature and youíre asking
very detailed, technical questions that keep things in a
very deep flowing way whereas sometimes you will ask one
question and move on to the next subject. Tonight for each
person, you have dealt with their fields and you have asked
wonderful questions. Yes, weíre quite happy with the way
that the photon belt is affecting you guys.
Russ: question coercion wise.
Russ: okay, practicing coercion on Mark a couple nights ago
Kiri: that was cheating. (Blows a raspberry.)
Russ: Iíll take it anyway I can get it sweetheart.
Kiri: you know that he can beat you hands down whenever he
Russ: well luckily I got first. Okay now then just for
practice though, when working on it, I felt a more increased
my head, almost like of vice a little bit.
Russ: when I was working it and it felt like I was
increasing the channels that I use for in that coercive
Kiri: no youíre actually focusing them.
Russ: oh I am?
Kiri: yeah, youíre focusing them and itís kind of a feeling
that everything on the inside has been tucked into that
focus but there is a word of warning.
Kiri: right? Donít trigger Mark's self-defense mechanism
when you do that.
Russ: probably won't have to worry about that ever in
my entire life so it's not a....
Kiri: yeah I was about to say, donít trigger his hostile
mode when heís concentrating elsewhere and you try to coerce
him when he's not paying attention because I mean
you'll see his head just snap around so fast and justÖÖ..the
eyes are the thing to watch.
Kiri: because it will feel like
youíre looking into dark, deep pools. I can do that really
well. No Iím not going to do it. Iím tempted though just as
John: behave yourself would you please?
Kiri: I will endeavor to do so. But, answering a question
thatÖÖ..answering a question that was asked earlier, thank
you Tia, that was asked earlier concerning the positive and
negative ramifications of somebody using their coercive
ability to coerce somebody into their bedchamber.
Russ: oh yes, thatís right.
Kiri: uh-huh, now what is your question on that?
Russ: well, for example, we were discussing how that would
be a turning point in a coercerís life.
Kiri: okay, this is how I handled it right? Was that the
young lady had a problem right? An addiction to flowers and
it was being a destructive influence on her life.
Kiri: right? I needed some way to replace that addiction
with another addiction that was less harmful and Iíve tried
different ways. Finally I was somewhat distracted one
evening and she was intoxicated with flowers and it was a
psychosomatic addiction. It wasnít a physical need, it was a
psychological need that she had due to the fact that A, she
was new to the sixth dimension and she was just learning her
way and B, due to the fact that to achieve that ascension
she had gone through a very tough experience in her previous
life so she was still living out the tail end of her past
life as well as living a new life so what I did was,
basically I deflowered her in both ways.
John: was she a virgin?
Russ: (sighs) oh God.
Kiri: to woman yes.
Kiri: uh-huh. And she was very intoxicated one night and she
was over visiting myself and a couple of college roommates
and she was dancing on the table right? And I got her to
strip which she had done before right? But instead of going
down as far as her panties she went all the way right?
She then hopped into my lapÖ..well planned and manipulated
on my partÖ..she is a very nice young lady. I carried her
into my room and I put her to sleep. I continued partying
and later I went to bed, curled up next to her and she woke
up and the probe had been put in deep enough that she woke
up with a craving for something other than flowers because
she was eating flowers almost continuously. You know she was
eating about a quarter of what she physically needed and making up
the rest with the nutrients from the flower plus getting
absolutely hammered which means she was eating a lot of
them. Right she woke up with this incredible craving right?
And I happened to be dozing at that point right? And she
gave me a kiss and I did what I thought was best right? She
got very addicted to me personally which I managed to wean
her off of me.
Kiri: and sheís a well-adjusted young lady, she has a happy
family, sheís not as bisexual as you would think after
spending a long period of time in my chambers. So using
somebodyís coercive ability to put somebody in a place where
it benefits them as well as yourself in a way. Like me
replacing sexÖ..replacing the flowers with sex. It wasnít as
harmful so therefore it was easier to make it better.
Russ: hmm okay, so it wasnít selfish, maybe partially a
little bit butÖ.
Kiri: it was very enjoyable, I desired her. I really wanted
her but I also knew the fact that if I coerced her just
to sleep with me right? Then that wouldn't serve any
purpose. I just wanted her for a one night fling, the fact
that it turned into close to a year relationship and that I
put her back together mentally was besides the point. Well,
the one night stand was besides the point, the fact that it
turned into a full-blown long relationship was what was
John: now on this dimension, with a man coercing
a woman, a young woman okay? Is thatÖ.is that abuse of
Kiri: yes if there was no helpful intent, if it is just for
satisfaction to dominate that individual. For example,
getting back to the young lady, if Mark coerced her just
because he desired her, that would be negative but if he coerced her
a thought of that she no longer desired the person that is
abusing her and that she needs to find an excuse that sheís
been unfaithful and she wants to leave him because sheís
been unfaithful, then that is positive in an odd sort of way
because sheís been taken out of the abusive
situation and set upÖ..even though it was only a one night
standÖ.has been set up to be free.
John: okay, now from a coercerís standpoint okay? Arenít
there ramifications as far asÖ.as far as using your coercive
power and getting this person in bed even though if your
intentions are good, isnít there a yin and a yang where itís
going to affect both people, both the coercer and
the person who is being coerced?
Kiri: yes there is, there is and this is the tricky part
right? The coercer can be put in the situation where he is
tempted or she is tempted to continue the relationship even
though itís not necessary anymore and basically what is
happening at that point is that one badness has been
replaced by another one. It has to be a one night stand only
in that situation to be able to plant the seed for the seed
to germinate. But, if the person ignores the other partner,
then it becomes at that point negative again so it has to be
done very, very carefully, there has to be that mutual
respect. A good example actually of mutual respect