Archivist Notes: This
again as we
were still not
all he could
to bring the
sound to the
best level he
could but it
is still not
as clear as we
issue is that
our guest at
be picked up
set of events
again when the
be heard. So
the last bit
of side two is
Kiri for about
able to raise
up to the
level of the
An overview of
Tia and Kiri
held this year
on the base,
area and some
he had about
his health. We
2001 and is
On a night
where Mark was
come down with
is the ring
just as we get
started. As it
would turn out
it would not
session so we
going with an
update on the
events for the
being held the
on the base.
We find that
the teams from
the Sirius and
bases would be
races. In a
bringing us up
to see the
some of the
It's a funny
all we have
time for now
as she brings
on Omal who
would take up
the rest of
First, he is
opinion on a
book making a
the turn of
well as a
doom and gloom
finally get to
a subject he
in the Four
race had come
up in previous
is the first
where he goes
race. All this
stemmed from a
made to that
area by our
guest and what
expect. As it
on the area
and he also
gives us a
the Zuni and
one another in
had been in
the area for
years. As for
knew of a
group in that
area who had
out of pink
marble but as
we know now,
never got off
the ground. He
does go into
about the Zuni
meaning of the
kivas in that
it is part of
story of how
from a series
It's a great
story but one
that runs out
at the end of
side one and
has to be
picked up on
as side two
thought he had
been on which
Just prior to
ending on side
brought up the
dreams and our
of water which
he is able to
link up to the
jumps and adds
a bit to the
Hopi and the
Celts as well
as an origin
story of her
own about her
home planet of
off to Karra.
isn't on for
long so she
helps with a
arm going to
sleep at the
same time he
clocks it as a
is able to
offer advice on
as we discuss
that Mark had
dropped by and
Karra's ear as
may drop by
with tea but
this was the
first time he
with his own
Tia comes on
expand on a
came up at the
end of the
with Karra but
now gets us to
Kiri who has a
lot to fill us
in on about
ski races. She
setups and the
planned use of
which were to
take them to
the top of the
more of a
opposed to a
shaft. We find
out she is to
compete in the
Tia gave us
the details on
which will be
made up of
some of the
and others who
were the first
to sign up.
how those on
bases and two
view the races
brings us back
to Earth with
of the stock
market and a
wanted to make
sure got on
tape about it
at too rapid a
rate. At the
time the stock
she felt would
not have good
high the stock
a high of
to the 28,000
plus one can
find it at
she ends the
session but it
picks but up
the middle of
having with me
of the pink
to happen. One
of the new
Sirius is the
use of stasis
fields to ship
wide use of
such as the
use of the
she says, the
able to fit
space at all
all of a
that we have
no time for
as the tape
runs out at
that point. We
do discover at
the end that
golf has not
been one of
only fault I
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(Tia gets the session off to
another great start)
Tia: okay, let’s get down to business.
Tia: live, center stage on February the 25th of 1997
at 9:15 of your time. And first of all, I’d like to
say to Russ, it’s early but happy birthday.
(Mark and I would both have our birthdays in two
Russ: thank you my dear. That’s right, yeah we’re
not going to be able to see you till next week
Russ: I guess this is the first time I get to talk
to you about it for a little while.
Russ: thank you my dear.
Tia: and how old are you going to be again?
Russ: a mere 37.
Tia: a mere 37.
Russ: not even half Karra’s age.
Tia: nope. Okay, so what can we do for you tonight
Bob: I’m just revisiting.
Russ: now you remember…..
Russ: that I was on the webpage last night…..
Russ: and apparently it’s now become the Hades Base
Russ: as opposed to just my webpage of Hades Base.
Russ: people have gotten I guess hearing about us.
Tia: uh-huh, the official voice piece of Hades Base.
Russ: yeah, because I looked around and nobody else
does Hades Base out there on the web.....
Russ: kind of unusual. And unfortunately, well or
fortunately, it looks like your predictions might be
coming true. Another one.
Tia: yes, which one?
Russ: this is the one on me doing webpages and stuff
and getting more into computers?
Russ: apparently I was approached today about doing
Russ: all right, so anyway that prediction came
Tia: of course.
Russ: so, what’s the news for next week?
Tia: okay, news for next week. Oh, for the Hades
Russ: the Hades Base News, right.
Tia: I don’t have anything at the moment, you
haven’t asked to do anything for you.
Tia: ski mountain will be closed next Sunday….
Tia: for a whole entire week. Team arrives next
week, first team shows up on Monday.
Tia: and that’s from Sirius Base. Centauri Base
shows up on Tuesday, races start on Wednesday.
Russ: hmmm, aren’t they going to get a chance to
check out the course and try it out at all?
Tia: well they’ll be preliminaries and everything.
Russ: oh, is that when the elimination heats are?
Tia: no, just preliminary races.
Russ: oh, just to get used to the course.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah and then in the afternoon of
Wednesday the races for the slalom starts and
there’s also the first heats of the biathlon start.
Individual biathlons which they changed on us at the
last moment so there’s individual and team.
Russ: will that help your guys at all?
Tia: no not really, in fact it hinders us more than
Tia: on Thursday we’ve got the downhill and the team
biathlon. Friday we have the super G, we have a
demonstration of snowboarding.
Russ: the Wookies are going to give a demo huh?
Tia: okay? On Saturday we have giant slalom. Did I
just cover that?
Russ: uh-huh, GS, super GS?
Tia: no, super G.
Russ: super G.
Tia: and then we have the giant slalom which is
Tia: then super G. And then on Sunday we have the
closing ceremonies and the champions cup which is a
new thing that they’ve done on us as well.
Russ: what’s that?
Tia: well basically that’s kind of……..it’s more of
an iron person test. Top part of the drop it uses
the entire downhill course…..
Tia: starts off as a super G and then turns into a
giant slalom and then finally ends up as a slalom.
Tia: and anybody can enter that, anybody on the
Russ: that could get tricky though.
Russ: so it’s going to be very difficult to win that
Tia: well we’re opening it up to the first 40 people
and that is basically for fun. So we’ll have members
from their teams and our teams competing in that
just for fun. It’s a fun thing and everybody walks
away with a prize for competing which basically is a
crystal goblet that has a cut image of the mountain
and Hades Base underneath it. And then the winners,
the three fastest people, pick up a gold that is
mounted on a crystal stand, again with……..actually
it’s more of a mountain shape with the gold mounted
on it and then a bronze and a silver of the same
Russ: how very nice.
Russ: sounds like it’s going to be a very enjoyable
Tia: yeah, they’re making us work harder.
Russ: well yeah and then I want to put into the
webpage of course those who…
Russ: actually how the team competition goes between
Tia: uh-huh and the individual results.
Russ: well trying to get individual results is going
to be a little difficult because trying to spell the
names of people from all three bases......
Tia: we’ll take care of that, we’ll take care of
Russ: all right, if you can give me the spellings
I’ll figure it out.
Tia: well we'll have Mark channel on the computer.
Russ: oh okay.
Tia: and Kiri and myself will do the channeling and
we'll type in and send you the mail.
Russ: and we'll get the results and I'll post them
on the webpage.
Tia: okay, you want to enter Bob? Have you in the
Bob: when is this?
Tia: this is from the…..starts…..
Russ: a week from Saturday?
Tia: yeah, a week from Saturday. Teams arrive on
Monday and Tuesday and then we start the
preliminaries on Wednesday and then we go through
the whole entire schedule up until Sunday.
Bob: and this is where?
Tia: Hades Base, up here.
Bob: so you can get me to Hades Base too?
Russ: yeah, they’ll send a ship down, pick you up,
you don’t mind going up for a couple weeks right?
Tia: and honestly if we really could get you up
here, I think you’d find some very good competition.
Bob: they’d have to be good.
Russ: they use laser rifles.
Bob: that’s what I thought.
Tia: well if you see a white light overhead don’t
Bob: fine, let’s do it.
Tia: I’m joking.
Russ: he needs a break now before he goes off to
Idaho anyway……or Colorado.
Tia: it would be fun to have you up here, you’d be
able to report back and tell everybody that it’s for
real. Be able to tell them you’ve been there and
we'll give you a souvenir.
Russ: now I would be seriously envious.
Tia: I can’t, I wish I could.
Russ: oh man, I’d just go up just for fun.
Tia: hey, we’d have you guys up here. We'll take
everybody from the house up here for two weeks and
Bob: two weeks, two minutes, let’s go.
Tia: uh-huh. Give you guys a complete workout. Have
you participate in some of the sporting events up
here. Have you guys compete in a track and field
Russ: yeah, that’d be a joke.
Bob: if there's any mountaineering up there.
Tia: uh-huh, there’s mountaineering, you could do
whatever you want. Surfing, swimming, windsurfing,
Russ: all the women are taller than you and
Bob: I’d have no problems there, in fact I’ll be
needing to stay permanently.
Tia: uh-huh, permanent residence. We’ll give you a
computer network linked to earth, you don’t mind
using a computer that only has maybe 20 or 30 gig of
Russ: that be nice job change for you there.
Russ: you can get in a life change here, it’s a
little bit more than I think you expect though.
Tia: I wish we could, I really wish we could.
Russ: it would be fun.
Tia: uh-huh, we could do with more Earth things up
here but as for being surrounded by tall women, hey,
I’m only 5’2” thank you very much buddy.
Russ: you’re welcome very much my darling.
Russ: you are of course the shortest….
Tia: no I’m not the shortest.
Russ: no but of your age group…
Russ: you’re the shortest.
Tia: yes. Teela’s only 4’9”.
Russ: but she’s a little younger than you by a bit.
Tia: Teela’s quite a bit older than me.
Tia: uh-huh, if you take her time in suspended
animation of 200 years.
Russ: well yeah true but she’s from Durondedunn.
(Ed note: Teela and some other scientists from
Durondedunn were found floating in space in their
ship adrift by a higher dimensional group similar to
Russ: well that’s different.
Bob: I’ve got a question.
Bob: if you can’t get up me there, how do you get
Russ up there and him?
Tia: astral travel.
Russ: I astral travel up there and then get solid.
Russ: just like Mark does though not quite as good
as Mark of course but yeah I astral travel up there.
Russ: oh, which reminds me….
Russ: how was Alana’s rabbit test?
Tia: the rabbit died.
Russ: the rabbit died?
Russ: Alana is pregnant.
Russ: oh great.
Russ: I have a new child on the way…..sort of, not
Tia: adopted child.
Russ: adopted child yes, it’s my bond mate having
Russ: it’s a long story.
Tia: complicated story. Basically, it’s for the gene
Russ: right. Well good, congratulations all around
except for the fact that of course Karra is the one
who wanted to get pregnant.
Tia: these things happen.
Tia: hmm, temperature’s gone up. Yeah, Mark's body
temperature is skyrocketing.
Russ: well what’s the monitors say? The bed’s turned
Tia: yeah it says that his body's at about 98.
Russ: that’s a little warm.
Russ: well is he coming down with something?
Tia: he’s already down with something but it’s just
in the last few minutes it’s gone up to 98 and it's
still climbing a little bit.
Russ: we have to keep an eye on that.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay anyway, back to business.
Tia: as we've ambled around.
Russ: no, this all goes on the webpage.
Tia: oh it does?
Russ: all the race stuff yeah.
Tia: oh yes, of course.
Russ: this all goes in the news section for next
(Tia blows a raspberry)
Tia: does that go in.
Russ: no, I can’t spell it.
Tia: it’s P.H.E.E….
Russ: I just put Tia blows raspberry in parenthesis
and that works out just fine. This is stuff that
people want to hear about.
Tia: okay. Any more questions astral travel wise?
Russ: studying an astral travel book right now…..
Russ: but I don’t have any questions on it yet
because I haven’t gotten through enough of it yet
but I'm going to start working on it.
Tia: any questions Bob?
Bob: not at this time.
Tia: okay. Well I suppose I better put on the next
Russ: okay yeah because I don’t know, we might have
to cut this short too, might only be half a tape at
this rate if his temperature goes up anymore.
Tia: uh-huh, we'll keep an eye on it, don’t worry.
Russ: all right. See you in a while love.
Tia: let me put the next person on. Don’t worry
Russ: I caught it this time.
Tia: oh good.
(Omal takes us all the way to
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings young man, Bob correct?
Omal: greetings Russ. I see we are absent from
Russ: ahh yes.
Omal: okay, let us proceed.
Russ: okay, listening to the radio program from Art
Bell and I have a couple questions concerning that.
Russ: he had a gentleman on who wrote a book
Russ: icy great destruction or something……..the
(Ed note: the book is actually called "5/5/2000:
Ice- The Ultimate Disaster")
Russ: and according to him in this book, he predicts
that in May 5th, 2000 a major alignment is going to
happen in the stars.
Russ: this will cause a great pressure being pushed
onto the polar ice caps which will cause them to
shift the continents around. You’ll see the stars
move but it’s actually you moving.
Russ: okay, now the proof that he goes through on
this that it happened some 10,000 years ago….
Russ: and apparently America shifted South if I
remember right and Europe switched North.
Russ: and he shows the woolly mammoth as being one
example of someone who in a period of three days got
taken from a warm temperate environment into frozen
Arctic tundra. And so essentially he says that we're
going to see in January of 2000 a big meteor storm
and any plane that you’re in is going to become very
unstable and lose all its computer guidance system.
And then come May the actual convergence will happen
and of course the earth as we know it will be
vastly, radically changed.
Omal: you can put on your webpage Omal chuckles
Russ: I shall do so.
Omal: okay let us start with the fact of the
continents shifting. As you are aware, they are
Omal: a major shift would be a major catastrophic
event which, if it happened 10,000 years ago, there
would be evidence all over your planet of a major
catastrophic shift. At the time when this supposedly
happened, the Egyptians were just starting to
develop their society. The Chinese were just
starting to develop their society. Would this not of
stunted or even destroyed the developments of these
Russ: yeah, it would definitely put a cramp in their
Omal: would they not have recorded them even in
picture? Hieroglyphic form or pieces of art? Would
there be not evidence of mass extinction, mass
Russ: now didn’t Atlantis go down about 10,000 years
Omal: Atlantis was a little bit before that.
Omal: as we keep on trying to state, it was 10,000
BC. Which means….
Russ: oh, this was 10,000 years ago…..
Russ: 8000 BC.
Russ: good point. Because I was trying to put the
fact well, if Atlantis went down because of these
changes in the crust beneath it, this would be a
good reason for that to happen.
Omal: but it is not the case, there is a 2,000 year
Omal: in 2,000 years, a lot happens.
Russ: now what if say for example I maybe misheard
it and it actually was 10,000 BC that this happened?
Omal: then it would still bear no relevance as this
event never happened.
Russ: oh, well….
Omal: that is what I’m trying to say.
Omal: let us look at the move in three days from a
temperate climate to an Arctic climate. Again you
would see mass areas with massive bodies of woolly
mammoths. Unable to find food, they would starve. It
is very rare that you find more than two animals in
the same place in a fossilized form.
Russ: uh-huh. So the woolly mammoths that did starve
managed to make it further north and were basically
solitary creatures anyway.
Russ: now one of things the other person tries to
put out is that a sailing captain that Plato ran
across had a map from the library of Alexandria that
I guess it still exists today and it shows the South
pole without any ice on it. It’s topography and
everything being rivers and everything flowing…..
Russ: and then sound......or radar samples they’ve
taken of the South pole confirm that the map was
correct even though that there’s some 3 miles of ice
over that particular land that was mapped.
Omal: at one time Antarctica had forests, it had
abundant wildlife most certainly but that is more
along the lines of I should estimate 15 to
20,000,000 years ago.
Russ: well where were the polar caps at that point
Omal: exactly where they are at present however,
continental drift as opposed to sudden, sharp
Russ: ahh yes.
Omal: I should estimate it as more like 80 to
Russ: I understand. So they’re now at their present
position buried in ice?
Omal: correct. Another way to look at it, if you
take continental drift into consideration, let us
take the most famous piece of moving land that moves
approximately an inch to six inches a year, the San
Andreas fault line on the Pacific plate.
Omal: okay, let us look at that. If you have a house
and it is on the Pacific side of the San Andreas
fault, let us say you put it at the Point Reyes
Omal: okay, you have a house, 10,000 years from now
you will have a nice property in Oregon.
Russ: in 10 years?
Russ: oh 10,000.
Omal: nice property in Oregon.
Omal: that gives you a rough idea of continental
Russ: ahh, I see. Okay that makes sense.
Omal: if it survives for 10,000 years in that
Russ: right. So basically, with this alignment of
stars, it’s happened before obviously.
Russ: or planets I should say.....I’m saying stars
are planets.....any major changes in the times it’s
happened in previous times?
Omal: there are certain events that occur, the
gravitational pull of the alignment of the planets
has effects. If you have the moon, Mercury, Venus,
Mars, Jupiter and Saturn aligned, that is going to
have some gravitational pull on your planet, that
would be self-evident.
Omal: with your planet in the middle and the outer
planets having their gravitational pull that would
affect your planet but the gravitational field of
your star is much greater than the combined
gravitational masses of all your planets, much
greater. So therefore it would affect the weather
most certainly, your planet would bulge in places by
the pull but it would not be a great catastrophic
shift of continental plates. It would not be an
accelerated process of coincidental drift so
therefore this claim is an erroneous claim. It is a
claim of somebody that is, has information but has
accelerated the process phenomenally. Certainly it
will cause instability in the atmosphere which would
probably cause flight difficulties but nothing that
would be as disastrous as this gentleman is
Russ: okay, so no need to go run out and go to some
place on the earth where it's not going to be so
Omal: somewhere hilly.
Omal: it is a very similar prediction and it happens
every time somebody says there is going to be an
alignment of planets. They predict major changes in
the planet’s crust, disasters, the sky will fall
down and crush people, the sea will rise up to meet
the sky, the mountains will descend to become new
oceans, all these things are predicted when there is
an alignment of planets. It is hogwash.
Russ: yeah Art Bell, this program is listened to all
over the country last night.
Omal: Art Bell yes, we have had reports on this
Russ: well he does a lot for certain aspects of
phenomenon let’s say.
Omal: but he touches on things that are fields of…..
Omal: flights of fancy would be a better way of
Omal: for example, has anybody heard anything more
on the Hale–Bopp companion?
Russ: just what I put on the webpage.
Omal: but recently?
Russ: yeah, his whole page is all devoted to that
companion thing and it’s like that satellite object,
he’s got far sight reports, he’s got some people who
say that’s a ninth power star that’s been
misidentified as being the companion.
Russ: which is actually true.
Russ: but then he’s just feeding the controversy
which is how he makes his money….
Russ: it is Rush Limbaugh all over again, he’s an
Russ: hmm, now he did mention on his program that I
follow a little bit on the HAARP Project.
Russ: now one of the things about the HAARP
Project that I’m looking
at....that I listened to him on the other night was
the fact that they are going to start broadcasting
now I guess just this week coming up here. Just
start doing some low-power testing and working up
over a two-year period to five billion watts.
Russ: which is the most anybody’s ever pushed it up
into the atmosphere. And so the HAARP people
in Alaska are giving out the ham frequency ratios of
frequencies that they're going to be broadcasting on
and for ham operators to record and then send back
the observations they pick up all around the world.
Russ: your comments on this?
Omal: my comments on this are as I've stated before,
you are sending energy to heat up the ionosphere, it
may have effect, it may agitate the ozone layer but
it will do no more harm. It may cause a little harm,
it may burn a hole in the ozone so it is difficult
to say how it will affect but we predict that there
will not be that much harm. It will be called a
success and to a certain extent it will be a success
but no more than throwing a piece of paper in the
air and watching it float to the ground and saying
that it is flying.
Russ: well in two years who knows if they'll still
Russ: okay. I have a question about Bob real quick.
He’s moving out to the Four Corners area of
Russ: and as we’ve discussed before, we’ve had some
Omal: pink pyramids.
Russ: pink pyramids in the Four Corners area. I
thought you might explain this to Bob a little bit
so he’ll have a better idea of what he’s going into.
Omal: okay there is another group of individuals
that do channelings. They are a newly ascended
seventh dimension race. They are called Arcturians.
The best way to describe them is they are a
over-helping race that want you to be like them. A
way to describe them, do you follow your
entertainment of “Star Trek”?
Omal: hmm, it is hard to describe them. They’re a
collective consciousness that work together almost
as one. They wish to bring you up to their level by
telling you the lessons instead of you learning them
and not learning, they wish you to be like them in
almost every aspect. That they will think for you,
they will take care of you, they will make sure you
have everything that you wish and desire but you
will not learn and you will not be ready to ascend
to the seventh dimension without the lessons of the
sixth and the third. What they are trying to do is
spread their information and to a certain extent
they are a good and peaceable race but their purpose
is wrong. They do not understand that you have to
learn the lessons, you cannot be told the lessons
and given all the answers without learning, you have
to learn for yourselves. Not have it told to you
this is how it is, this is why it is. From that you
learn the words but not the experiences and by that
you do not have your own choice or free will. That
is what it basically boils down to is that the
Arcturians want to take away your free will and your
choice to learn at your own speed. It is like having
a child and giving a child all the information and
knowledge that the child needs for its whole entire
life, all that it will learn in the space of a few
Bob: so does this group seek out new people to the
area and identifying people who are probably……
Omal: vibrational frequencies of individuals reflect
their evolutionary levels and also their levels of
understanding. Somebody that is gullible but
spiritually conscious and quite evolved on an
evolutionary level of the mind is a prime suspect
and target for them. Somebody that they will seek
out if that person openly wears their spirituality.
If the person is circumspect about their
spirituality, it is obvious that they are not naive
and gullible so therefore they will try other
deceptive ways. But, it depends on the individual
and whether it is necessary for them to learn that
lesson of being taken in as it were. And it is
advantageous that you are forewarned, you will know
what to look for, being approached for your skills
and being able to fit in with the spiritual
community. However I get the feeling that recent
events that are occurring in that area is making it
difficult for them to grow and proceed with their
grand pyramid design. After all it is an expensive
project to design a pyramid with pink marble. And
the funding seems to be lacking so therefore I do
not see it as a threat to you, more as a learning
experience which could be very advantageous.
Something that you will be look at with a good smile
and say that was an interesting and fun experience.
Now that you are aware, it is up to you to make the
choice of whether you wish to go their route or your
own route. We cannot lay down for you how you should
proceed, it is the information that we give you is
for you to decide to use as you wish. If you wish to
follow their path, that is the path that you have
decided to follow and that is what you must learn.
If you decide not to follow their path and to watch
with amusement, again that is your path that you
wish to learn from.
Bob: thank you.
Omal: you’re welcome. Any more questions on this
Bob: it’s more of a education being along the lines
of history, archaeology….
Omal: ahh, I have reason to believe that there is a
lot of archaeological interests, especially in the
natives that were indigenous to that area, the
natives of the hill-dwelling communities. There are
certainly lots of architecture within that area that
I understand that you would be fascinated with. But
remember when you walk around these areas and you
come across a large rock, to look down at your feet
and to pick up what you may find. You will
Russ: so this has possibly have to do with something
of his past life that you’re talking about?
Omal: more than likely yes but it is a feeling of,
"I must go there and admire the architecture" and it
is quite possible that you were or will be
experiencing your past life. I believe that the area
was inhabited by a tribe called the Zuni?
Omal: so therefore it is possible that you were a
member of that tribe. You may have the feeling of
contentment, confusion or numerous other feelings in
that area. They may be present feelings but they
could also quite equally be past life experiences of
events that occurred. But remember, when you find a
large rock near the ruins, look down at your feet
and pick up what you may. Next question please.
Russ: well when I was in the area, I felt similar as
if I had been there in a prior life but at the same
time it felt like there was lots of ghosts you might
say. Is this just from the religious beliefs of them
that kept the spirits in that area or that just the
spiritual rituals they did created a lot of energy
patterns that hung around?
Omal: it is echoes from the past. The energy that
they performed for the ceremonies have a tendency to
linger. It is like if you switch off the light, you
will see for a brief second or two, the light will
continue to burn even though there is no power
there. When you summons a lot of spiritual and
physical energy, things will linger. A great
disturbance, the energy will linger and repeat
itself from time to time.
Russ: hmm, now one of the things Bob will see out
there that he might enjoy or come to enjoy is these
pits that they made.
Russ: yeah, kivas they’re called and they apparently
held many spiritual ceremonies inside of these but
archaeologists can’t really determine the nature of
the ceremonies or how they were performed or what
they were......the purpose of them except for the
fact that they were performed there.
Omal: there is a belief of the current indigenous
race that are there, I believe they’re called Hopi?
Omal: yes, they’re descended from the Zuni. They
believe that in the circles in the ground there is
another little circle and they believe that they
came from that place, from within the circle, the
smaller circle inside the buildings that are sunken
into the ground and that is the passageway
Omal: creation to the current world but it is a
symbolic place. The original place is lost in time
and memory to where it was.
Russ: are you talking about like a doorway?
Omal: one second please.
Russ: oh sorry.
Omal: Tia has informed me that Mark has an Internet
friend that is from New Mexico I believe or Arizona
area that is a member of the Hopi tribe that he
talks to on the Internet.
Omal: she is suggesting that he may want to contact
Russ: okay. Excellent, that’s information I hadn’t
had before. Hmm, so this echoes of Stargate kind of
Omal: no, it is a gateway from their first or second
level world to this world, it is where they came up
from. The doorway from a flood that they experienced
which forced them up from a lower world to another
world and then there was another flood where water
followed them up and into another world I believe it
is.....it is a deep long ago memory that I’m trying
to remember. I believe it was maybe four or six
worlds that they had to go through before they
arrived at this one and the water followed them up
through the entrance way, the gate or portal or
doorway, whatever you wish to call it. It is not a
trip from one world to another but a from a lower
world. A little bit like your myths and legends that
you read in your book, Middle Earth, the fourth age,
the second age, the first age.
Russ: hmm and the water followed them and yet…..so
where’s the symbolism of the water following them?
Did they stop the water?
Omal: I do not recall their story too well but any
time a dream or a story of native Americanism is…..
(Omal takes us seamlessly from
one side to the other)
Omal: ……..from the real world into the spiritual
world. If you have a dream and you go to a native
shaman and explain that you have a dream that were
are on the land, you were running, you came to a
river, you swam across the river into another land
or another piece of dry ground, you have crossed
from the real world to the spiritual world and the
water signifies the crossover between one world to
Russ: now this is similar to the Egyptians who
believe that you cross over the river Styx
Omal: that is the Greeks.
Russ: oh Greeks. Egyptians had something similar
though because you had to use the boats and some
think Anubis I think is in charge of that.
Omal: yes, crossing the great river.
Russ: correct. So it follows in many different
cultures, not just….
Omal: not just the Native Americans.
Russ: yeah fascinating, thank you Omal.
Omal: you’re welcome.
Bob: so when I have had quite a few dreams in my
Bob: over the last few years where for some reason
or another I’m in water but I realize I can
breathe underwater. So there is a connection there
in my dreams?
Omal: yes, I would say that your dreams when you
in the water are very spiritual kind of dream. It
is that you are in a spiritual consciousness.
Bob: like I say, I’m really comfortable there.
Omal: well it is a feeling of long ago and it is
also the fact that if you look at it from a
spiritual point, you are spiritually conscious.
You not only immersed in the spirit world but is
it around you, within your lungs, within you so
that you are in tune and conscious. And the
comfort feeling comes from the fact that it is
very reminiscent of something that happened before
you breathed air so it is a nice comforting
feeling. Okay, last questions please.
Russ: actually I don’t have any more.
Bob: nothing at this time.
Omal: okay, thank you very much.......
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: and it is been a long time since I’ve had
the pleasure to say to you Bob, live long,
prosper. I’ll be back.
(Tia is back and in a bouncy mood)
Tia: (sings) incy wincy spider went climbing up
Russ: hi Tia.
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: oh, so you picked up some information off
the computer I take it?
Tia: uh-huh. Well when Mark’s talking she refers
to him as kinsman.
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Tia: yeah, they’ve learned that there is a
similarity between the Celtic nations and the Hopi
Russ: oh really?
Tia: uh-huh and some of their beliefs…..Mark has
made references to the Morgana?
Tia: and that they wear red……
Tia: and the Hopi’s have a belief that their true
white brother will come wearing a red hat or a red
cloak covering his or her head.
Tia: yes, I thought so too. I was listening when
Mark had a revelation and almost jumped out of his
chair but you ask Mark about that, I don’t know
the full story.
Tia: any more questions before I put on the next
Russ: yeah, does Durondedunn have any stories or
myths about water?
Tia: some, some, we have a story of……it’s a story
of the land being dry and barren and then water
welling up bringing life to the thirsty and
creatures of the water sprouting from the ground.
Tia: it’s a little bit long to tell, it takes
about two hours to tell.
Russ: okay, well maybe save it for another time.
Russ: all right.
(It's Karra's turn on the
Russ: hi Karra, how you doing?
Karra: not too bad.
Russ: you remember Bob don’t you love?
Karra: yes vaguely, vaguely. You were here with a
young lady a couple of times, dark hair?
Karra: yes, very vague memories. She was
your…..no, she wasn’t your lady friend was she?
Bob: just a friend.
Karra: just a friend. It is hard sometimes, we’ve
had so many visitors that have come and it is hard
to place all of them. I do apologize.
Bob: it’s okay, it’s been a while.
Karra: yes it has, it’s been…..
Bob: three years.
Karra: has it been that long? My.....
Russ: time flies.
Karra: it does. Anyway, down to business. Tia’s
fond of telling people to get down to business.
Okay, what can I do to help this evening?
Russ: well let’s see, we entered in on your
section on photonic healing…..
Russ: on using energy like that on the webpage.
Karra: Tia told me.
Russ: uh-huh and your daughter is now pregnant.
Karra: uh-huh. Yes, well mistakes happen.
Russ: and anything you can put out for the webpage
would be very of course.....
Karra: hmm, I was expecting to answer questions.
Russ: I had a lot of stuff worked up for Omal but
of course healing wise I didn’t have a whole lot
going. Oh, Bob's got a question.
Karra: ahhh, speak.
Bob: I go to sleep at night, sometimes I sleep on
my side, I’ll feel that arm starting to go to
sleep. Is there anything that…….?
Karra: hmm, it’s possible that you might have
separated it temporarily and pinched a nerve but
only a portion of the nerve. It’s like having a
piece of string and pinching down on it with your
fingers but only pinching down on the side. See
it’s a useful piece of string or a useful nerve
but yet it's still attached and pressured and when
you lay down on your side and apply pressure to
that, it applies pressure to the nerve endings or
the nerve and your arm goes asleep or has that
feeling that it is heavy and useless and you can’t
manipulate it properly.
Bob: so how do I cure it or will it cure itself
Karra: it will cure itself in time, especially
when you’re working your arm again when it's fully
recovered. Sometimes things take longer to recover
as we progress further on and it is something that
takes time. What you might try is using a hot
patch or, not a hot patch, a warm patch on the
damaged area and that will loosen up muscles and
the muscle tissue enough that you might be able to
flex your arm without hurting and it may pop out.
Russ: like a heating pad?
Karra: yes kind of but you don’t want a heating
pad because that would get too hot and the blood
will flow away and that will cause problems in
itself and not make it as easy. But by applying
warmth for a long period of time, it may make
it.......well it will make the muscles relax and
easier to manipulate. You may try massaging gently
over that area with the tips your fingers once you
reach an appropriate heat where it feels
Russ: what about something like Bengay which is
applied heat but it’s just a warm heat for your
muscles for a long period of time. Or Mentholatum
rub, something like that.
Karra: oh I do hate the smell of those things.
Russ: yeah I know, I know.
Karra: makes people smell like a pharmacy. Yes
that will work with the massaging process and
massaging it in will have a little bit of benefit
but that’s actually a psychosomatic way of healing
it. You don’t really heal it, what you’re doing is
you’re taking away the pain by applying an
irritation so that you forget about the pain and
are more concerned with the heat from the deep
heat or the Bengays or the Tiger.....
Karra: oh, Tiger Balm?
Bob: so this is not a concern to go to a doctor
and just give it time to heal?
Karra: time will heal it but if it gets worse and
more common then I would recommend going to one of
your earth healers, they're pretty good at that
sort of thing. I don’t trust them when it comes to
dealing with healing the mind but they sometimes
can cause more problems than they solve. For
example a lot of these repressed, so-called
memories of child abuse, they can turn an innocent
event into something horrific. But that is doctors
that manipulate the mind.
Bob: so I have a friend that’s 2,000 miles away…
Bob: just wondering if there’s a possibility of
Karra: hmm, yes there is to a certain extent, it
is more how well-connected you are. But the energy
flow from one person to another, it is the flow of
energy and as we’ve discussed in the past with
Russ, a healing energy can have a lot of effect
and that can help.
Russ: well Karra’s worked on me from 93,000,000
Karra: 88 at the moment.
Russ: 88 at the moment. So I’d say yeah, you’re
doing a lot better than we are.
Karra: that’s quite right, that does work, I will
vouch for the fact that it does work. It is a
matter of connecting the flow of the energy in
certain patterns and pulling it through the body
in certain ways. So Mark’s lessons......if he is
whispering correctly......all those years ago,
three years ago helped then I assume with the
astral travel aspect?
Bob: it’s hard to say if it was real.
Bob: I don’t know, this was almost more like the
lines of telepathy….
Bob: than anything.
Karra: well you can use can use the telepathy wave
as a carrier signal to astral travel I believe but
you'd would have to ask Tia. But Tia says that
Mark has a "How to Astral Travel" on his computer?
Karra: you should print that up and give a copy to
Karra: okay I’m going to depart as the body
temperature’s at 98.7 at the moment.
Karra: we’ll put the next person and we’re
watching the temperature. We’re trying to figure
out why it’s rocketing.
Russ: hmm, that’s not normal.
Karra: no it’s not. Oh well, farewell.
(Our ring mistress is back for another speaker
(Tia says hello in Duondedunn)
Tia: hmm, he’s roasting here. Whew, quite hot,
it’s unusual for his body temperature to be so
Russ: so what’s this about using a telepathy wave
as a carrier for your astral travel?
Tia: well you can project a…..a telepathy….
(Tia starts a conversation with a cat)
Russ: she knows when you get here.
Tia: you can project a telepathy signal and you
can kind of ride it to its source.
Tia: it’s a little bit like having a rocket and
holding onto the spring as it goes. It’s a little
bit of a difficult procedure actually. Okay,
whilst we change over and put the last boisterous
(Tia continues a conversation with the cat)
Tia: I already said that.
(The cat replies in cat)
Tia: okay, I’m departing.
Russ: all right, bye love.
(Kiri is our skier of the
night to tell us about the upcoming races)
Kiri: yo dude, you got a beard. I know,
everybody’s commented on that. Looks good I think.
Russ: I didn’t recognize him.
Kiri: okay guys, what can I do for you?
Russ: hi Kiri, oh just the usual, how you doing
Kiri: I’m doing wonderful, absolutely awesomely.
Russ: any clues on why Mark’s temperature's going
Kiri: no but the bed is wet.
Russ: it’s not as warm as it was but…...
Russ: think it’s just the channeling, because it
started going up as soon as Tia came on at first?
Maybe it has something to do with his astral body
leaving, leaving only his physical body here?
Kiri: it’s possible, temperature is starting to go
Russ: oh good okay.
Kiri: according to the computer down here that is
running, it’s at 97.9....thank you...okay, what
can I do for you guys?
Russ: well Bob is going to be leaving us for
Kiri: oh cool. Nice place I hear, skiing is
supposedly awesome. Champagne powder springs to
mind, nice flavor. Love skiing, awesome sport. We
got some great mountains on Sirius you'd like if
you like mountains. Really high peaks, razorback
Bob: cross country.
Kiri: ahh, well we’ve got some nice plateaus that
are good for that.
Bob: I’m good, let’s go.
Kiri: well it’s about 6 ½ to 7 light years to get
Kiri: okay, tell you what, let’s pack up your car,
we’ll put everything in there and start the drive.
Bob: I don’t need a car.
Kiri: don’t need a car?
Bob: just put a backpack on me.
Kiri: just a backpack, hitchhiking huh? Out with a
Russ: what is it, the sub-ether thumb?
Kiri: beats me dude.
Russ: from the hitchhiker’s guide.
Russ: so anyway, what’s the word on the base
Kiri: the word is coolness.
Russ: as in another words the ski races coming up?
Kiri: yeah, unfortunately I’m not competing. But,
as we have a guest, let us be sensible and
Russ: no problem.
John: how you doing?
Russ: Bob, this is Johnny.
John: I’m Johnny.
Bob: I’m Bob.
Kiri: I was about to say to the introductions Russ
and stop being such a bad host.
Russ: I just did.
Kiri: took your time didn’t you?
(Kiri sighs in humorous exasperation)
Russ: all right……
Kiri: you can’t do more than one thing at a time?
Of course, you’re a man and a simple primitive
life form. Okay, let us continue, what are we
going to discuss?
Russ: open forum?
Kiri: open forum okay, well I’ll sit on the
sidelines and wait for the debate to start.
Bob: and who is this?
Russ: this is Kiri.
Kiri: I’m an engineer and coercer.
Bob: so it was Tia who first came on?
Kiri: yes it was Tia.
Russ: well she'll be back on.
John: and shall be back, yeah, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, she’s in and out, up and down, up
and down and she should have thought of that
before she started the channeling session.
Russ: so anyway, question on accommodations for
the skiers coming up.
Russ: they’re all staying on their ships I take it
and commuting back and forth?
Kiri: yes, well the guests are, the competitors
we’ve constructed a temporary area down at Lake
Dolphin so that they can hike up the back of the
mountain to the snow and everything.
Russ: isn’t this rather advantageous to the Hades
Kiri: no not really.
Russ: why, because all these visiting top
competitors are now hiking up a mountain to get…..
Kiri: figure of speech.
(Russ starts laughing)
Kiri: actually they’ll be running on trolleys. In
all seriousness, we’ve got accommodation from down
at Lake Dolphin, they have the option to hike if
they so wish but we are running trolleys to the
escalators and then from the escalators to……..not
escalators, elevators. From there we have another
trolley at the top of the departure place all the
way over to the entrance to the racetracks.
Russ: oh good then.
Russ: sounds nice, how many competitors are going
to be from each base?
Kiri: there’s 40 from each base.
Russ: well that’s neat.
John: and how many bases?
Kiri: there’s going to be a total of three bases
John: so you’ve got 120 competitors?
John: is that correct?
Kiri: that’s correct.
Russ: plus the 40 of the champions if I get that
right of anybody who can sign up for that?
Kiri: anybody that’s present.
Kiri: so that’s the competitors themselves can
sign up for it.
Kiri: I’m signed up.
Russ: you’re signed up?
Kiri: uh-huh as it’s the only race I’m competing
in this year.
Russ: well you did miss your own best time last
Kiri: uh-huh. No, only the best qualifying time
for the team.
Kiri: that does not include the race time last
Russ: what happened? You just miss an edge or
Kiri: no, I was just a little bit slower.
Kiri: just an off day. I thought I was doing
pretty good actually myself.
John: yeah that happens, I can relate with skiing.
Russ: you got down, saw your time and said dang.
Kiri: pretty close, pretty close.
Russ: well that’s good. So who’s doing all the
hosting of parties and everything?
Kiri: oh the corner bar is hosting all the
Russ: for 120 people?
Russ: plus guests?
Kiri: plus guests, we have a area set up at the
bottom of the hill for them.
Kiri: we're closing down the bar……
Russ: oh you are?
Kiri: for that week.
Russ: oh so they're getting a new corner bar let’s
Kiri: basically yeah.
Russ: rather large.
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s about twenty times larger than
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: it has a dance floor, it has a restaurant
that’s going to be open 24 hours. The bar will be
open from local time of 12 high noon to two in the
evening. Dance bar......we’ve also got a stage for
the bands and a dance area for that that will also
be used for the banquets and everything.
Russ: sounds like it’s going to be quite an
enjoyable racing day.
Kiri: uh-huh. Well we have the racers compound and
we also have the competitors compound, the racers
and competitors. The competitors is competitors
only. No coaches, team captains, if they’re
competing in the downhill, it’s only downhill
racers that are in there.
Russ: hmm, they’ll keep it from being too crowded.
Russ: and so these are all being broadcast to each
of the two bases….
Russ: Sirius and Centauri bases.
Russ: ahh, so it’s sort of like our TV without the
interviews or are there going to be like
commentators or how’s that work?
Kiri: no interviewers. There will be commentators
and there will be a tour of what’s going on.
You’ll have the option to watch the bands playing
or you can hear the band playing with somebody
skiing down. It’s all set up, individual
Russ: oh really? All in three dimensional
Kiri: yeah, pretty cool uh-huh?
Russ: I think it’s going to be a lovely……..I wish
we could get it broadcast down here on the TV
Kiri: uh-huh, it’d be awesome.
Russ: no doubt.
John: yeah, it would be.
Russ: blow away Wide World of Sports.
Russ: our TV program.
John: that’s our version of....that’s our sports
Kiri: oh okay.
John: Wide World of Sports.
Kiri: how much time on the recording guys?
Russ: can't be too much......probably....I see
about maybe five minutes.
Kiri: okay, well I'm going to put on Tia back on,
she says that she has to talk.
Russ: okay, bye love.
(Tia still has a section to
cover before the tape runs out)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
John: hi Tia.
Tia: I’m back. Hey, how’s it going dude?
John: good, how you doing?
Tia: I’m doing fine I think. Okay, you had a
question for us.
John: yeah, let’s talk about the stock market…..
John: that’s one of your favorite subjects……
John: and it is over the 2,000 mark.
Tia: been over the 2,000 mark for a long time,
7,000 is what you mean.
John: but yeah, yeah, 7,000 mark, excuse me. What
do you think about that, what’s your thoughts on
Tia: well it seems to be accelerating rather
rapidly in its bullishness which I see as a
danger. I mean you’ve got people pouring money in
and its mushrooming and if it mushrooms, I mean
how much bigger can it grow? 8,000, 9,000, 10,000?
John: well can it grow that far? I don’t see it, I
can’t see that.
Tia: I don’t know but what happens when the people
take their money out of the market, that’s the
thing I’m interested in?
John: okay, so we’re in a bull market, we're over
John: and you don’t have any insight besides it
possibly escalating at too rapid of a rate or....?
Tia: oh it’s definitely too rapid of a rate in my
opinion. I’m going to wait until Greenspan makes
his state of the economy address and see what
happens. That’s what I’m waiting for and I believe
that’s going to be on Thursday. We’ll see what
Tia: there is the possibility that……..here’s my
prediction. He’s going to talk about how great the
stock market’s doing, how well the investors are
doing, the economy is growing, inflation is down,
unemployment is down and maybe it’s time to put
the brakes on the bull market and turn it into a
bear market temporarily just to slow it down a
bit. That I could see as a danger. But that’s my
prediction that he’s going to say the economy is
going great, it’s growing at about 5½%.
John: okay so the transition from us going from a
bull market into a bear market right now, you feel
is quite a dangerous situation?
Tia: whichever way it goes is a dangerous
situation. If the growth slows down to an
acceptable level where it climbs one week and then
drops back down and may end up from the previous
week losing 10 points and then the following week
it climbs 10 points on the previous week so it
basically stays in the same sort of area. But
these wild roller coaster rides of losing 84
points, picking up 101 points strikes me as very
dangerous and unstable.
John: well it strikes me as being very dangerous
and unstable too, that’s why I’m inquiring with
you because you seem to be the expert up there
Tia: oh I’m no expert, there are people that
understand it much better than I do but…….
John: yeah but I mean you do understand the
situation and you do understand my concern that
it’s a very dangerous situation right now where
Tia: I wouldn’t say very dangerous but it is
dangerous. It depends on if you are invested in
the stock market on how dangerous it is.
John: no, no, I don’t have any investments in the
stock market but…..
Tia: no I mean you as a generalized and how is
Russ: excellent, she’s doing really well.
Tia: okay, let’s move on to Bob, do you have a
Bob: no, not at this time.
Tia: okay, tape is about to run out as well.
Russ: okay, looks like I’ll be teaching past life
Russ: with Sarah.
Tia: okay, and as the tape’s about to run out, I
shall say adieu.
Russ: good night Tia.
Russ: have a lovely night.
John: good night.
Tia: night, see you all later and have a great
trip and what was Omal talking about?
Tia: feet and picking up things? Oh well.
(Tia says good night in durondedunn)
Russ: bye love.
(Kiri is heard on the end of
a tape from a completely different session)
Kiri: I’m looking forward to this year’s flower
Kiri: I’ve already traded about eight cases of
Russ: some pink ones?
Kiri: yes. If it’s a good year, I should be able
to get 12 bunches, a dozen.
Russ: that would be nice.
Kiri: uh-huh but the eight cases is a down
payment, I’m going to probably have to pay another
92 cases which I can probably turn around……and I’m
paying wholesale. And what I’ll probably do is
sell 15 for maybe about 150 cases of wine.
Russ: good God.
Kiri: or, each flower will go for a bolt of
Russ: doesn’t this wine being traded all over the
place get shook up a bit?
Kiri: no, we keep it in a stasis field.
Russ: oh, that's handy.
Russ: you’re using the fifth dimension…..
Russ: is that something that you guys have it down
to a pat science?
Kiri: no, I wish it was.
Russ: we haven’t talked about this before……
Russ: except for the fact of the use of it of the
guy with the watering can….
Russ: and the fact that you can put the base in
Kiri: you could probably put the base into the
watering can. Those have special power supplies
that keep the effects the same.
Kiri: and when you finish with it you have to go
and plug it in and it has approximately maybe a
half an hour to an hour’s use.
Kiri: I mean the other day Mark told me that he
watered a whole entire greenhouse, some huge
potted plants outside all with his tiny, little
watering can he was at it for close to I think
half an hour then all of a sudden it was empty.
Okay, quick joke.
Kiri: okay, Arnold Palmer dies right? Goes up to
heaven and he’s asked to play on a threesome
right? And he tees off with the threesome and his
drive goes 305 yards right? The next person tees
off and his ball goes about 310 yards and the
third guy tees off with his wings and everything
and he goes about a 300 yard drive and he turns
around and Arnold Palmer’s talking to the two guys
and goes, “well I’m Arnold Palmer” and one goes,
“yes I know, I’m Jesus and this is the Angel
David”. And they watch the fourth person tee off
and the ball goes whoosh, straight over the green,
lands in a trap. And they carry on playing and
this keeps on happening for about the first nine
holes and then finally Arnold Palmer turns around
to Jesus and goes, “who’s this guy think he is,
God?” And Jesus goes, “no, that is God, he thinks
he’s Jack Nicholas”.
Russ: good one.
Kiri: okay. I thought you might like that for
Michael, Michael might like that one.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: okay, here’s another one for you.
Russ: all right.
Kiri: Arnold Palmer, he’s out at a golf club and
he’s playing with three guys and he says, “excuse
me, I’m going to go to the bathroom” and he comes
back out right? And his right leg’s wet all the
way down through here right? And they kind of
ignore the fact and they go through all 18 holes,
they get to the clubhouse right? And by this point
they’re pretty good friends, they’re sitting at
the bar, having a few drinks and then Arnold
Palmer says, “excuse me, I have to go to the
bathroom”. And off he goes and then he comes back
out and his left leg is wet all the way down. And
at this point one of the guys goes, “look, I
couldn’t help noticing but earlier on your right
leg was wet all the way down through there and now
it’s your left leg. And Arnold Palmer goes, “well,
it’s a little embarrassing but what happens is,
I’m in the stall right? And I’m standing there and
this guy goes, “oh, you’re Arnold Palmer”.
Russ: oh Lord.
Kiri: I don’t understand these golfer jokes, just
the one’s I’ve heard Mark has told me.
Russ: not many golfer places up there are there?
Russ: never caught on huh?
Kiri: no, what’s the point of chasing a little
white ball when………..nevermind. If I wanted to
chase a little white ball around I’d chase a
rabbit’s tail. But anyway, as I was saying, you
got the editorial that…….? Not the editorial,
Russ: the Tia…..
Kiri: Tia’s thing.
THE TAPE ENDS