(Kiri gets the
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: yo, yo, yo.
Skip: how you doing darling?
Kiri: Iím doing good.
Skip: sorry we was carrying on a
conversation while you was coming in.
Kiri: oh thatís all right.
Kiri: hey putty tat. Come on, up you
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: howís it going?
Kiri: itís going good.
Kiri: (blows a raspberry.)
Skip: so whatís on the agenda for this
Kiri: okay, what weíve got? Nope, no
warp core discussions. Okay, let's see, what are we
going to cover? Okay, ask away.
Skip: hmmm alright, can I ask a
Skip: this 2YK thing thatís coming up.
Skip: year 2000 crash, thatís what
they call it okay? Y2K.
Kiri: crash is with a ka soÖ..
Skip: K instead of with a C, yeah
Kiri: crunch would be better.
Skip: crunch okay, Iíll go for that.
Skip: are we going to haveÖÖÖtheyíre
prophesying rolling brownouts and blackouts all the
way across the continent. Is this going to happen or
Kiri: there are possibilities. Tia
would be the expert to ask, at the moment sheís busy
trying to settle down a bunch of rambunctious Cubs.......
Skip: okay all right.
Kiri: that are playing whatís it? Leap
Skip: okay. The reason why I was
Skip: on account of stockpiling water.
Waterís going to be our biggest problem.
Kiri: yeah, yeah.
Skip: food we can keep but waterís
going to be our biggest problem but Iíve got a
supply that wonít quit now.
Skip: itís a mountain stream. Iím
going to grab a sample of it the next time Iím over
there and have it tested to make sure.
Russ: check for some Giardia in there
Russ: should be some Giardia in there.
Skip: whatís that?
Russ: itís a waterborne virus caused
by animals who've been drinking in it or excreting
Skip: oh okay all right, I gotcha.
Russ: and itís fairly bad for humans
to scarf up.
Skip: okay all right, I gotcha, I
understand what youíre saying right?
Russ: and itís clear, you canít taste
it, you canít smell it, you canít see it but it will
mess you up.
Russ: but with a charcoal filter
youíll be fine.
Skip: well actually you can boil it.
Russ: you can boil it.
Kiri: uh-huh, or distill it.
Kiri: or distill it.
Skip: distill it yeah well, that takes
more fuel than what weíre going to have.
Kiri: you have tons of wood.
Skip: tons of wood is fine except that
you canít burn outside, we got a problem there.
Skip: okay Iím trying to cover all
bases hon, thatís what Iím doing.
Kiri: uh-huh, a likely story. Okay,
Laura: okay, I have one.
Kiri okay, yes thank you.
Laura: Iím trying to find out what it
is called when we experience talking to somebody and
you feel it is not really you talking but somebody
Laura: oh thatís channeling? And you
can do that while youíre totally conscious?
Kiri: conscious channeling.
Laura: oh wow.
Kiri: uh-huh, or chunneling.
Russ: yeah, Kiri was doing that the
other night with Mark.
Kiri: oh thatís semi-conscious.
Russ which one?
Kiri: ha ha, very funny.
Skip: would that be your guide coming
Kiri: yes, quite possibly.
Skip: okay, all right okay.
Kiri: now Russ and myself were having
an interesting debate on the wording of a question
and the question was, there is no such thing as
positive or negative, only the perfect solution or
the perfect situation. Everything is perfect,
Russ: that is the essence of the
Kiri: uh-huh. Now the problem was in
the wording. Okay first of all Russ hush okayÖ.
Russ: I'll say nothing.
Kiri: is the world perfect or is there
positive and negative?
Skip: thereís positive and negative.
Laura: itís perfect.
Skip: there is no perfect.
Laura: itís perfect in the way it's
supposed to be now.
Kiri: uh-huh but is there positive or
Laura: depends on how you look at it.
Skip: itís both.
Laura: depends on from which
perspective you look at a thing. It can be negative,
it can be positive, it can be both.
Kiri: uh-huh good, good, good, good.
Skip and your answer was?
Kiri: to the question.
Skip: itís both.
Kiri: itís both, positive and
Kiri: you canít have one without the
Skip: thatís correct.
Kiri: okay itís a matter of semantics
and everything. Now, the discussion was and Russ
will fill everybody inÖ..
Russ: uh-hmm....ahhh that the fact
that even though we express something as positive,
or express something as negative, it's still a
perfect whatever it is.
Russ: so therefore you canít really
have positive or negative, it's just terms you use
to describe the emotions involved with your
perception of the event.....
Russ: but itís not really positive or
negative, theyíre really just terms that we have to
use to understand each other when we talk about
Laura: how, like this. Yeah.
Russ: I canít say ďoh that bus crash
that killed 30 people was perfect.Ē People would be
well, pissed off at me at that point.
Kiri: uh-huh. So by being forced to
interact in other peopleís worlds Russ, you have to
use the terminology that they use.
Russ: correct, yeah otherwise you get
Russ: but now we were discussing a
concept. What was it, a Sirian concept?
Russ: a Sirian concept whereby we look
at the past, years, centuries, worlds that weíve
inhabited and lives that weíve lived to bring us to
this very point.........
Russ: and had anything changed one
Laura: we wouldnít be there.
Russ: we wouldnít be here doing what
weíre doing where we're at right now.
Russ: therefore everything thatís lead
up to thisÖ..
Laura: is perfect.
Russ: is perfect but we canít use the
Kiri: because itís not.
Laura: depends on which definition you
give perfect, whether you can use it or not.
Russ: well is there a difference
between perfect and perfect?
Laura: could be.
Russ: okay well letís hear it, that is
what weíre trying to get to.
Laura: thatís the positive and
negative again with the perfect because the
Russ: so thereís a positive perfect
and a negative perfect?
Laura: okay perfect for one could mean
there is no mistakes and one could see there has
been mistakes but for the other, it could mean it
had to lead through those things to come to that
perfect state and itís always been perfect because
those were all elements we needed.
Russ: yeah but when you use the term
mistake, itís a negative connotation.
Laura: thatís why it comes back to
positive and negative again.
Russ: which doesnít really get into
what we were discussing because the fact that you're
even saying itís a mistake is saying itís not
Russ: so that is where we come into
the concept that Sirius has concerning how
everything leads up to here.
Laura: perfect timing.
Russ: but we donít have a word for it.
Kiri: okay, the concept is that
there is positive and negative. There are mistakes,
things are flawed but the reason that they're flawed
is so that if they werenít flawed, then you would
not learn the lessons. If everything happened as
they are supposed to and there is no lessons to
learn, then there is no progression and with no
progression there is no advancement and with no
advancement there is no evolution. So the mistakes
are there designed in such a way that theyíre a
random factor for you to learn from that you can
have many different outcomes. Now if you take into
consideration timelines as well on top of this,
every possible action that you can make happens and
you go on this timeline and then you deviate to a
new timeline, to a another timeline with each
mistake that you make and each possible outcome that
you go through. But youíve got to remember that
there are a myriad of possible outcomes for each
problem so therefore with each problem, there is a
different answer or many different answers. So
therefore youíre just on this timeline and your
timeline may change and deviate and you may continue
as a group on that timeline but an aspect of you
goes down another timeline with each possible myriad
of outcomes. So therefore the mistakes that are
made, are made in a way so that you have future
Russ: all right now on that point,
what is the Sirian word for mistake?
Kiri: we donít have one.
Russ: I didnít think so. So letís
Laura: mistakes can be part of
perfection because mistake we are labeling as
negative but it doesnít have to be.
Russ: well no actually, mistake could
be described as a crossroads.
Kiri: I think the nearest we have is
Russ: error, okay. Or not
a crossroads so much because crosswords say that two
Russ: what weíre talking about is aÖ.
Skip: Y in the road.
Russ: a Y in the road okay? So each Y
splits into infinite number of directions from the
single path that youíre at.
Russ: so therefore each mistake as we'll
call it for our terminology to understand, is
actually just a Y.
Skip: refuse to make a decision.
Kiri: Iíve got a little example. Okay,
all three of you are not allowed to say the exact
same outcome as everybody else.
Russ: okay well before you do that,
Iím going to turn the heat up a little bit while you
guys work on you two. I'll be right back
in a second.
Kiri: okay well weíve got to have Russ
present for this as well.
Skip: okay all right.
Skip: give him a second, heís going to
turn up the heater just a little bit.
Russ: alright, hit me.
Kiri: okay, weíll start off with
Kiri: okay, see this microphone? Okay
Iím going to knock it over, which
sideís it's going to fall on?
Laura: the left.
Kiri: okay, Russ?
Russ: depends on which way you knock
Kiri: well Iím going to do it blind.
Russ: right, so it depends on which
way you knock it.
Kiri: which way is it going to fall?
Russ: it all depends on the way you
Kiri: no, I need the direction. Donít
be so hard-headed, give me a direction it's going to
Russ: well it has to be different from
Kiri: well youíve got to be different.
Russ: all right, it will fall toward
Kiri: okay, Skip?
Skip: it's going to fall towards you.
(Kiri knocks the microphone over.)
Kiri: okay, actually it fell more that
way so itís between the two of you which is a
different outcome than what all of you said. Okay,
that is an example of a path breaking. Now if we had
20 people in the room and each one followed the
rules exactly and said which direction it would go
in right? We would have 20 different answers and
there was a possibility that it would go in the 21st
direction or the 22nd or if we had 100 people.
Skip: it still could go in different
Kiri: correct and that is the best way
to describe the possible outcome. Okay, now we can
do the experiment again right? And weíll start off
with Skip this time. Youíre not in the experiment
cat. Which way is it going to fall?
Skip: toward the weight machine.
Kiri: okay, Laura?
Laura: to the front.
Russ: toward Laura this time.
Russ: toward Laura this time.
Kiri: okay, let me get a focus on it.
(Kiri knocks over the microphone
Kiri: and I tapped it down this time
for a reason. Okay, but again, that is an example of
all the possible outcomes. So the possible outcomes
are each different then what we perceive. There are
so many different outcomes that to say that there is
one outcome and itís perfect, itís perfect for you
in your world, perfect for you in your world and
perfect for you in your world. Donít know about you
though but, the possible outcomes all depend on the
individual's perceptions. Now the mistakes that are
made, mistakes that are made are there for a reason.
They are an error in judgment, they are an error in
calculations but, theyíre designed in such a way
that the possible outcomes are so many that there is
a correct answer and on the correct answer depends
on the timeline that youíre in. If youíre in a
timeline of a particular kind, the answer that you
come up with and the error is the correct one
regardless of what timeline your on. But, without
the mistake or the imperfection, then there would be
no learning lesson. So a learning lesson comes from
an error you see?
Kiri: so the imperfection creates the
error which gives the lesson.
Russ: now hereís a question for you.
Russ: now the four of usÖ..
Russ: not including Mark because heís
not here, are all on this particular timeline even
Russ: we're all experiencing the same
perception, the same time that we all agree upon.
Russ: now one of us makes an error.
Russ: okay? I drop my hat and it goes
Russ: okay, now we all perceived it as
that but letís say it's such an error, the fact that
now I split off on this timeline.
Russ: while you guys of course go with
me but an aspect of you guys all go on another one
with me on another aspect.
Russ: so therefore, there is now eight
of us going off two different directions.
Russ: which is actuallyÖÖI know, I
should say infinite numbers of us all going off in
infinite directions of us.
Russ: just for simplifying the fact.
Kiri: uh-huh, correct.
Russ: okay, so now weíve all cut off
and weíre all perfect in our perception for my
timeline which made the error which you guys all
followed me on.
Russ: (laughs) suckers...anyway......
(Laughs all around.)
Kiri: but you see the thing is, that
the imperfection has created a new timeline.
Kiri: and has created a learning
lesson. This time Russ, pick up your hat.........
Russ: yeah okay.
Kiri: okay, and weíre each going to
get two choices.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: okay what I want you to do is to
throw it straight up and weíre going to not say
which way itís going to go, weíre going to say where
itís going to land. Okay, Laura?
Russ: two choices huh?
Laura: two choices.
Kiri: two choices.
Laura: I really donít know.
Kiri: is there a piece of paper?
Russ: yeah right here.
Kiri: rip it into six pieces because
Iím going to participate.
Russ: oh are you now?
Russ: all right, six pieces.
Russ: letís do it with this one then.
One, two, three, four, five, six. Okay, weíre at
Kiri: okay hand two to Laura.
Russ: Laura, you get two.
Kiri: give Skip two.
Russ: Skip, hereís two. I got a pen.
Kiri: I get two.
Russ: I get two.
Laura: and we have to place them where
we think itís going to fall.
Kiri: correct. Okay?
Russ: oh, you do it, well got
Laura: from where are you going to
Russ: straight up.
Kiri: okay close your eyes.
Russ: okay, theyíre closed.
Kiri: okay, up.
(Throws the hat up.)
Russ: well, Lauraís right on the
Kiri: right on the money.
Russ: dead on.
Kiri: possible outcomes though. Laura
happens to be correct but an aspect of the hat has
landed on all of them.
Kiri: and all over the floor.
Laura: explain that.
Kiri: okay, with all the possible
outcomes, weíve put down just six outcomesÖÖ.
Kiri: on the floor but if you look at
the possible outcomes of all possible outcomes it
couldíve landed anywhere.
Skip: thatís correct.
Kiri: okay? So therefore the six
represents all of the outcomes and in all of the
outcomes and all the possibilities, every one a hat
has landed on. So, in another situation right? The
hat has landed on the other one of yours, both of
yours and both of mine.
Russ: and the myriad of other places
Laura: exactly. So therefore, the
example of the possible outcomes is that
everything's happened, everything
that you can think of has happened, even the fact of
putting them on the ceiling. For some reason, the
hat gets stuck on the ceiling, the laws of gravity
get suspended. I can arrange that very easily.
Russ: okay......tell us......
Kiri: in fact thatís an interesting
little joke thatísÖ.
Russ: okay, hereís a question for you
then. What happens toÖÖwe never I assume
run out of space for these infinite possibilities to
land but how does reality encompass all of these
possibilities happening all the time to everybody in
Laura: sounds like forth dimension.
Kiri: not quite, forth dimension is
Russ: try fifth dimension.
Kiri: it is part of the fourth
dimension, all the possible outcomes. If you were to
travel in time and to look at time as you're
traveling, you see will see all possible outcomes
Kiri: but the experiment is that we
could do it again and not move any of themÖÖpick up
the hat again.
Kiri: all right, sit back, close your
(Throws the hat again.)
Kiri: landed on mine
Laura: it didnít hit the ceiling
Russ: I wasnít trying.
Kiri: but that was part of the
equation, that it wasnít thrown as high as it should
be. Again, one more time.
(Throws it again.)
Kiri: it didnít land on any of them
Kiri: you see? But thatís all the
possible outcomes. You can do that a 100
times and it will not land in the exact same place.
You could do it a 1,000 times and it would not land
in the exact same place.
Russ: or exact same way.
Kiri: you could do it a million times
or a billion times or a trillion times or a
gazillion times or however many times that you want
and it will not happen in the exact same way every
Russ: so thatís why life is perfect?
Kiri: because of all those possible
outcomes but, it is not perfect because the mistakes
have to be made in order for the lessons to occur.
Now when the lessons occur, you have all the
Laura: so the mistakes are really not
Kiri: theyíre random acts that are
designed to happen in such a way that one event
Russ: so in essence, mistakes are a
grammatical term that we use yet we only use that in
a way that we use it to explain it. Theyíre not
Russ: they are actions, they are
things that are taking place.
Kiri: theyíre errors, thatís the
closest that I can come to it. OkayÖ..
Laura: so are they part of karma, what
we call karma?
Kiri: karmaís a very slippery and
interesting concept that you have,
that I have great difficulty understanding.
Russ: well you have access to all your
past lives, how can you have
trouble understanding it?
Kiri: itís the concept of karma.
Russ: oh, I thought that was a pretty
simple concept though.
Kiri: pretty simple for you in your
definition but there are many different definitions.
Karma to the Japanese is actually a spirit.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: so thatís two examples but you
see that there are a myriad of possibilities.
Kiri: now so when we make a choice, a
action, all of them occur. Weíve got that clear?
Kiri: okay, everybody understands
Kiri: so, it cannot be perfect because
without the actions, that would be perfect. A
perfect situation is where the outcomes come out
exactly the same and as we know, that canít be.
Thatís why weíve done the experiments of tossing the
hat and knocking the microphone.
Kiri: those are experiments to see or
to demonstrate that things are not perfect.
Russ: hmm, so weíre closer to the
Sirian terminology then.
Kiri: uh-huh, but thereís
not one word.
Russ: there is no one word, itís a
Kiri: no, there is no one word, itís a
Kiri: itís all possible outcomes can
occur but without the action of the imperfection,
they cannot occur.
Russ: actually got very close to
explaining perfection without actually calling it
Kiri: but itís not perfection because
the outcomes have to occur and it appears as
perfection because of all the myriad of possible,
infinite number of outcomes.
Russ: that make sense. So ifÖ.
Kiri: so thatís why it appears as
Russ: right, if you took that equation
away then yeah, it would be perfection.
Kiri: uh-huh but it canít be.
Russ: but it canít be because you have
that equation in there thatÖ..
Kiri: correct, because of all the
possible outcomes. Okay, any questions?
Russ: no, that covers mine, I
Laura: Iím perfectly happy.
Kiri: perfect huh? I think we ought to
shave his mustache off.
Russ: just half of it.
Kiri: yes. What do you think? Think we
should Skip? You got a question?
Skip: no I donít think so, you
Kiri: okay well Iím the ring
Russ: getting the idea of a circus
that weíre in, a three ring circus?
Youíre in one ring, youíre in one ring
and Iím in the other ring, sheís over there with the
whip going.......(cracks a whip.)
Skip: yeah right, a three ring circus,
yeah right. Oh golly.
(Omal dispels the circus
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Interesting demonstrations, greetings Laura,
greetings Skip, greetings Russell.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and how is everybody
Omal: that is probably the most
coherent that we have seen the mischievous Kiri for
quite a while.
Russ: quite entertaining and
informative at the same time.
Omal: correct, she
has her own unique brand of education. Okay, there
is nothing really that we can go over and point out
that is harmful or erroneous within her statements.
Omal: no, (laughter
ensues.).......because she was very careful in her
choice of wording. To follow on from what she was
saying and from what Russ just said, is that there
is a number of possible ways that she could of
conducted the whole entire session concerning the
outcomes of situations which in itself is a
demonstration and example of what is happening,
lack of perfection is that Kiri could of done that a
lot better, she couldíve done it a lot worse but the
examples that she gave were ideal for the learning
curve necessary. Okay, let us move along and open
the floor up to questions.
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: okay, the concept that I put
forth that everybody splits off from the various
ideas with each of us as we go along,
there a point where we come back to a certain life
and merge back with it or because itís taken off and
gone so many different ways there is no way to that
to ever happen?
Omal: there are ways that it does
happen but that is an aspect so when that merging
happens, there are so many different possible
outcomes, that there are just as many mergings and
separatings going on as there were of actions.
Russ: so what would be our perception
of that? Would that be what we would call dťjŗ vu?
Omal: to a certain extent yes and we
have covered that in the past.
Russ: huh-hmm, but
this is a new way of coming at it.
Omal: correct, it is a new way of
coming at the same objective.
Omal: which is in itself is open to
many different possibilities.
Laura: so does the feeling of dťjŗ vu
always have to be remembering a past life or what
other possibilities are there for that feeling of
Omal: there are many, many different
feelings and different versions of dťjŗ vu. The
feeling that you have been somewhere before is a
possible past life, it is also possible a connection
with yourself on another timeline or on many
different timelines, depending on how far ahead or
how many have split off prior to the point that are
at the same point. There are so many possible
outcomes to every situation that there are many,
many different timelines in fact billions and
trillions, well an infinite number as Kiri put it of
timelines running continuously. If you were to say
that this is the center timeline and you have the
ability to see all the timelines, you would look to
your right and see forever. If you turn to your
left, you would look and see forever and you would
see them all weaving in and out between each other
as a tapestry. Some merging and as they merge, there
are more splits and fractures occurring so that
there is even more timelines. So in actual fact to
say that they would be running
side-to-side and above and below and all around you
continuously, it wouldnít be able
to be laid out all around you because there are so
many different fractures and timelines splitting off
that you would be bundled within timelines.
Russ: hmmm, so Karra and I have been
doing an experiment recently.
Russ: whereby we are sending energy
into the direction of Kosovo.
Russ: to affect a change on aÖÖthe
butterfly causing the tornado or typhoon in Japan
Russ: where one person generates this
thought of peace in the region. Now simultaneously
throughout the world Iím not the only one doing
Russ: at that same time.
Russ: the possibilities are infinite
that thousands of people are doing the same thing at
the same time. Go ahead.
Laura: I have a question.
Laura: it leads me back to
what I asked in another session. With
the energy you send, how do you knowÖÖhow
do you send it? What I mean asÖ..okay, youíre
sending it for peace, how do you know that this is
really for their best and highest goal and
youíre not going against their will, their free
Omal: or their learning lesson.
Russ: or their learning lesson.
Russ: because of the fact that I am
sending the energy.
Russ: okay? Iím not directing
at any one person or any one group of people. Iím
sending it to an area of the planet so that that
energy can be dispersed as it is needed. The energy
Laura: so youíre not sending it for
peace, youíre sending it really for the best and
highest good and whichever that is, you're sending
it for that purpose correct?
Russ: right, yeah Iím generally
putting like a color to it.
Omal: even if it is genocide.
Russ: right but yeah the energy
is there that the most highest thing could come out
Russ: you know.
Laura: thatís what I wanted to knowÖ..
Omal: uh-huh. Okay, continue.
Russ: okay, so as each of our lives
come together and split apart again, we meet similar
people from other timelines and maybe they donít
have past lives with us but they seem to seem
Russ: because weíve merged with them
in other aspects of ourselves and other timelines
and we have that sense of familiarity.
Omal: uh-huh correct. I will answer
both questions. Okay, with the merging and the
splitting off and the direction of energy directed
at Kosovo and all the possible myriad outcomes and
the uses of the energy for the higher good
regardless of what the higher good is, are all
possible and intertwined because of the myriad of
number of outcomes. As I stated, I said even
genocide. If genocide is for the good of the group
and learning from the genocide being such a horrific
lesson but being necessary for future of
advancement, then that is also part of the common
good. However, the aspect of it is a negative
situation which must be overcome and learned from.
So you have many different possible outcomes and all
of them needing to be learned from and the
advancement coming from those lessons is what is of
the highest good regardless of whether it is
positive or negative.
Russ: okay, that
Omal: did that answer
your question young lady?
Omal: okay, let us progress.
Russ: go ahead guys.
Skip: Iím just learning.
Russ: oh, thatís all Iím
satisfied right now.
Skip: I'm listening.
Russ: okay, Omal?
Russ: then when we project our energy
for whatever purpose, then what weíre doing is weíre
learning from the projection of that energy each and
every time we use it. Now as Kiri was saying, even
if that energy is negative it's still something that
we have done and because weíre alive and we are
experiencing life, then thatís something we need to
learn from. To not do so would be another lesson
Omal: would be flawed, not do so would
be flawed but is part of the lesson.
the possible outcomes are there, all the possible
outcomes happened. All the actions and inactions
Russ: hmm, okay. And so what weíre
seeing isÖÖlet me see if Iíve got this right. What
weíre seeing then is actually a movie, a movie
thatís running and weíre justÖ..
Laura: itís an interactive movie.
Russ: an interactive movie right, or
interactive website. Click here to go to this web
page. Click there to go to this next one.
Laura: choose the next
level of the story.
Russ: correct yeah but thereís all
these webpage links that we're not clicking on
because theyíre not part of what we want to do or
where we need to go. Is that an analogy we could
Omal: it would be better to say it is
a story where the actors or the characters fall out
of the story and new ones replace them.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: picked up, not by myself, but
from your friend who takes it from a book. (The Lord
of the Rings.)
Russ: okay, hmm.
Omal: okay, any more questions?
Skip: then youíreÖÖ..what youíre
saying then is if we take the infinite possibilities
of the stumbling block, thatís why we got to keep
living these lives over and over so we learn the
Omal: correct, because there are a
myriad of possible outcomes and all the
possible outcomes, depending on which outcome you in
your present perception, depends on the direction
that youíre heading in and whether or not you have
to repeat the lesson and make the correct choice in
this incarnation on this timeline.
Russ: I just had an interesting
thought. That means all three of us are on the sixth
dimension, the seventh dimension, the eighth
dimension, the ninth dimension and so on.
Omal: it doesnít happen that way.
Russ: oh, why not? It sounds
like a great idea.
Laura: nice thought.
Skip: okay, the reason why not is
because we havenít learned our lesson here yet.
Russ: but in every possible way, we
Skip: no we haven't.
they are still more lessons needed to learn before
you can advance to that. You cannot be ahead of
yourself, you are where you
are now. To be on those higher levelsÖÖ.
Skip: you have to graduate from the
Omal: correct, you cannot advance
higher than you are already.
Laura: okay but I read something that
some people choose to come to a lower dimension
again to pick up a lesson they didnít quite learn.
Laura: is that correct?
Omal: that is correct.
Omal: but you cannot go above yourself
until you are ready to be there. You can go back,
but you cannot go forward. You cannot be ahead of
yourself when youíre not ready. There are a few
people that do but they are only temporarily on a
higher level if they are not ready and they get sent
back as soon as their time is done to learn the
lessons that theyíre not ready to learn. There are
those from a higher level that come down to relearn
lessons or to teach lessons.
Skip: yep, Iím there.
Omal: okay, any more questions?
Skip: no thank you.
Omal: okay live long, prosper and Iíll
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: auf wiedersehen.
Russ: kind of takes a while to get
used to it.
Skip: Iím there.
Russ: you've come forward and then
Skip: no Iíve come back.
Russ: come back?
Skip: yeah because IÖ.
Russ: is that from the big
Skip: no, I was on Sirius, I was an
Russ: from where?
Skip: I was an engineer. I've come
back because I've missed something.
(Lyka cruises into her turn in the
Lyka: huh? No.
Russ: oh, Lyka?
Russ: hi Lyka.
Skip: hey sweetheart.
Skip: how you doing?
Lyka: Iím doing okay, I guess.
Russ: Lyka this is Laura.
Lyka: Laura, itís nice to meet you.
Laura: itís nice to meet you too.
Russ: and thatís Lyka.
Skip: she knows me.
Lyka: yes, I know you.
Skip: but itís been a long time.
Lyka: itís been a while.
Skip: our long time, maybe not your
long time but our long time.
Lyka: hey, Iím a snot nosed kid in the
room. Iím only 21, Iíll be 22 in a few weeks in May.
Skip: and you got your captainís bars.
Lyka: Iím still a student captain.
Russ: and another gold medal.
Russ: honorary gold medal.
Lyka: yeah. Okay, ask away, talk to
Skip: talk to you.
Skip: Iíd like to talk to you.
Russ: howís the pregnancy coming along
Lyka: oh, itís going fine.
Russ: ahh good. Any morning sickness
Lyka: yeah, Iím just tired at the
moment, I thought Iíd drop by.
Russ: well thank you love.
Russ: yeah, sheís pregnant.
Skip: she got married?
Lyka: yeah, I got bonded.
Russ: yeah, yeah.
Laura: you donít have to get married
to get pregnant.
Skip: not really, no.
Lyka: no, not in our existence.
Skip: not in their society.
Lyka: the best way to describe it is,
we are the flowers that bloom so quickly and die so
Lyka: yeah, Iím an oath
that killed the conversation.
(Laughter all around.)
Skip: you seem a little calmer now
than you did before.
Lyka: put it this way, Iíve been
munching on flowers.
Russ: well does explain
has it been, a year since I've talked
Lyka: oh, I donít think itís been that
long but time right now is very slippery.
Skip: because last time we
talked I think that we were talking about home
Lyka: yeah, I remember, I remember
that. Uh-huh. To explain, I am an oath keeper,
oath keeper is somebody that keeps the promises that
Sirius made to sister worlds and brother worlds.
Lyka: and basically what we go in is
to help protect and to if necessary die, lose this
physical form, so that the oath could be kept,
promise of protection. Even if protection from one
faction from another faction, we will side whoever
it is necessary so the balance is maintained and the
advancements can happen.
Skip: in other words, you keep the
Lyka: uh-huh, we keep the oaths that
we make which are very important.
Skip: yep, keep the honor.
Russ: now Lyka, have you been
following this conversation that weíve been having
to this point?
Lyka: following what?
Russ: just checking dear. Lovely
conversation on existential dimensions, timelines
and so on.
Russ: timelines, multiple timelinesÖ.
Lyka: oh that thingy.
Russ: and possibilities and rather
Lyka: I would if my mind wasnít foggy.
Lyka: uh-huh. Itís a calming thing,
Russ: which color, blue?
Lyka: youíve seen me on the red ones.
Russ: yes, well the blue ones
Russ: quite the calming.
Lyka: yes, nothing can hurt me,
nothing complains me. You can blow up a room next to
me and Iíll sit here and go, ďhmm, thatís nice.Ē
Russ: so you in touch with the baby at
Lyka: no, itís too small at the moment
Skip: how far along are you hon?
Lyka: it was conceived in January so
that would mean.....
Russ: three months?
Lyka: yeah, three months.
Russ: second trimester?
Laura: first, in the first.
Skip: okay, all right.
Lyka: cool, pretty colors.
Skip: anyhow, Iíve taken your advice.
Lyka: which one?
Skip: about home defense.
Lyka: ohh, yes.
Skip: put up a cement block wall in
the back of my place.
Lyka: well thatís handy. You put whatís
it? Stuff in the ground that you dig up from the
ground and against it all thatÖ.
Skip: bombshell, trench?
Lyka: no, no. Comes from the trench.
Lyka: mud, dirt.
Russ: against the wall?
Lyka: uh-huh, gives it a little bit
Russ: oh you mean like a mound.
Skip: oh, an embattlement, yeah.
Lyka: uh-huh. Palisade no,
Skip: no, an embattlement.
Lyka: something like that.
Skip: yeah itís a mound that shoves up
against the wall so the wall canít be pushed over.
Russ: that way people can stand up on
the wall and be taller than the person on the other
Lyka: makes them easier targets.
Skip: yeah but you can make a landing
on top of it so itís just high enough so you can
still crouch down behind the wall.
Skip: rampart, embattlement, whatever.
Thereís another word for, I canít think of it,
Lyka: there's so many different words.
Skip: no, I havenít done that because
I donít want to take up my property.
Lyka: ahh, okay. OkayÖÖ
Skip: but we filled the wall full of
Lyka: oh thatís handy. How thick?
Skip: itís 8 inches thick, itís got
steel bars and cement in the inside of it.
Skip: youíd have to run a vehicle into
to break it.
Lyka: thatís good.
Russ: oh itís rebared out.
Skip: yeah Iíve got it rebared?
Lyka: uh-huh. Iím not always this
mellow. (Speaking to Laura.)
Skip: and then the foundation is 6 x
18 sitting on 12 x 18 gravel.
Skip: so itís a heavy foundation.
Russ: well that should keep it up.
Skip: yeah, itíll stay there, it ainít
Russ: cool. Lyka, a little sword
fighting for us tonight dear?
Russ: want me to grab a couple swords
and weíll go at it?
Russ: just kidding dear.
Russ: a little too mellow I think.
Lyka: uh-huh, think
I better go.
Russ: have a good night Lyka, good
seeing you again love.
Skip: yeah, same here, itís my
pleasure for sure.
Laura: good night.
Skip: good night darliní.
(Kiri returns to finish this
side of the tape.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: hello and off she wanders,
in the bamboo.
Russ: that was entertaining.
Skip: just kind
of drifted away huh?
Russ: thatís a side of Lyka I havenít
seen in a while.
Skip: sheís real, realÖÖ
(Kiri gets side two off to a humorous start.)
Kiri: yes, Tiaís gone to find her. We
can hear her crashing around in the bamboo and allís
we hear is ďokayĒ.
Laura: pretty colors.
Kiri: uh-huh, pretty colors.
Apparently sheís talking to some rose bushes right
Russ: when they start talking back to
Kiri: no, she's having a
full conversation with them so I think they are.
Okay, catch you guys later.
Russ: bye, thanks.
Skip: okay darliní.
(Treebeard is the
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings, hmmm.
Skip: thatís what I thought.
Treebeard: hmm, I am still
being of dwelling on question from discussion of
prior week. One moment, am focusing on now.
am being of semi-focused, let us be of discussing.
Russ: excellent and any more
thoughts on that question?
Treebeard: I am still pondering
various possible outcomes and ramifications of
thought processes relating to therefore and of.
being of making of comment of characters from a book
and characters falling by wayside and new ones being
of replacing. Question being picking up off your
mind and relaying to Omal from ďLord of RingsĒ.
of being to Sam andÖ..
Treebeard: being correct.
Treebeard: that being of good analogy
that Omal look for.
Russ: uh-huh, it is and
another part of the analogy is that those people who
fell by the wayside eventually returned to rejoin
Treebeard: being of correct.
Russ: right which is an analogy of how
our reality takes us in the same way.
Treebeard: and being also of timelines
weaving in and out and re-merging and splitting off
Russ: hmmm. So is this why past lives
that youíve lived with other people are so much more
intense than just the familiarity of running into
people from other timelines?
Treebeard: being of correct but being
aspects of them within your timeline.
Russ: hmmm. So does that
make them temporary?
Treebeard: no, being
of aspects in your timeline.
Treebeard: you being aspect in their
timeline. Please, I am just a Sirian, do not be of
revering or of...
Russ: oh no, Iím just trying to figure
it out, how that works. For example, what would be a
good example? Laura okay? Laura and I perhaps have
not met before in a past life.
Russ: but yet because it doesnít seem
like we really connect whereas Skip and I on the
other hand for some reason connect more even though
we havenít been in a past life either. So Laura
feels familiar, Skip feels like an old friend, why
Treebeard: are you being of sure that
you have not been of past lives before?
Laura: Iím not, could of been.
Russ: could of been, yeah, itís
Laura: I mean we donít always have the
same facial features or whatever right in each one
Laura: I meanÖ..
Treebeard: not even being of same
Skip: and yet Laura and myself have
been together before.
Laura: and I had the dťjŗ vu that he
rescued me before in a previous life.
Treebeard: uh-huh. So maybe not of
being here and may being of great time since all
three being woven together.......
Treebeard: many great time, long great
Russ: so not necessarily here on this
Treebeard: being of correct
Russ: ahh I getÖÖ
Treebeard: possible correct
Russ: so while it could be that I
donít remember Laura.......
Russ: not as much as I remember Skip.
Laura: or you were not supposed to
Russ: right or we didnít interact as
Skip: could be.
Laura: or there is nothing to be
solved in this life between me and you.
Russ: correct, I see, I see.
But you and Skip on the other hand do.
Russ: and me and Skip do.
Treebeard: so therefore being of
following through on assumptions, then there is
being much to work out and for advancement.
Russ: because weíre all here together
and weíre all working together to learn at the same
time, then we're all following through on a
past fellowship in another time perhaps?
Skip: or itís something we did before.
Treebeard: a fellowship of
Russ: didnít see that coming.
Treebeard: manipulation through mind
and thought processes.
Skip: hmmm, because Iím back, I
Laura: how come you shouldnít be?
Treebeard: are you being of sure that
you shouldnít be?
Skip: well Iíve still got to learn
something or I shouldnít be here.
Laura: so you should be here.
Treebeard: that is being correct young
lady. If you did not have lesson to learn and you
shouldnít be here, then that would be an
improbability but obviously something being
necessary of learning brings you back to this point
so therefore you have to be here.
Russ: you have to remember also, our
lifetime here isnít all that long on this planet
Skip: no it isnít.
Russ: so what weíre accomplishing here
is only something that I guess weíve agreed upon it
would only take us to the end of our lifetimeÖÖthis
is a longshot here butÖ.
Laura: I feel like Iíve been here
Russ: but Iím grasping. But if it
wasnít, weíd be in another place with a longer
timeline span right Treebeard?
Treebeard: being of possible outcome
Russ: okay, hmmm. Yeah
because we could all be back on the same planet
where Skip has the big trees.
Treebeard: hmmm, trees of great girth
and wisdom being of warm, comfortable.
Russ: itís like a home, each tree is
Skip: yeah, itís mine.
Treebeard: and you are its.
Treebeard: it is being of a symbiotic
relationship, one being part of
the other but being separate but needed.
Russ: okay, with your life
Russ: plants donít do the same thing
humans do they where a plant will split off and
have another aspect of itself somewhere else
unless the person who itís with breaks off letís
say. How does that work?
Treebeard: all things being of
aspects, all being on different aspects, all
Russ: so weíre all aspects?
Russ: whereís the real one of us?
Laura: real one?
Russ: real one of us.
Treebeard: define what is being of
Russ: ahh well thereís the question.
Skip: that would be the challenge.
Russ: right, so weíre an aspect of an
aspect of an aspect of an aspect.
Laura: which is the real? And each is
the real one.
Russ: all right. Now would that be
the super conscious now?
Treebeard: super consciousness being
present in all but for each aspect.
Russ: right, now would that be the
real one of us and weíre aspects of the super
Treebeard: you are being real, I am
being real, you are being real, you are being
real, the feline is being real. The super
conscious of all being real for that timeline. On
each timeline it is being real and each being
having of super conscious.
Russ: okay, so each aspect is real?
Treebeard: hasty word for something
so more important.
Russ: well I agree.
Treebeard: why you have such
important word but so small?
Russ: I donít know.
Russ: I donít even know what its root
Treebeard: yes being of great
Russ: yeah, very much so. Maybe
thatís why itís so short is because we want to
keep it simple.
Treebeard: but it being of great
importance, I not understand of why.
Russ: well if it was a big long word,
it would be complicated, like reality is.
Laura: comes from real.
Russ: yeah whereas if we just say
itís real, therefore weíre simplifying and the
whole entire experience that we're discussing and
not taking into account the vast possible number
of aspects and changes that surround us. We ignore
that and just focus on what is simple and easily
Treebeard: so hasty, it is being hard
of comprehension for myself.
Skip: well not only that but by using
a simple, short word, everybody understands it.
Treebeard: hmmm, but it being of so
great importance, for
people of great importance for example being of
his holiness theÖÖÖIím trying to pick on thoughts
for the Pope. How would you describe his full
title? He is his holiness......
Russ: Pope Paul the....
Laura: John Paul.
Treebeard: the Vicar of Christ Church
on earth, Pope John Paul II. Someone of such great
importance having such great, grandiose name I
understand but something even more of being
importance yes, so small.
Skip: okay Treebeard, okayÖÖthe only
way that it makes sense to me and this is my
personal concept of it, is by using the small word
even with the great importance of it, even
uneducated people of our world understand the word
Skip: whether they can read, write or
not, they understand that word.
Laura: and itís not really the word that's
meant, itís the meaning of
Skip: yeah but they understand. When
you say something is real, they understand it.
Laura: yeah but Treebeardís saying
such an important word's so small, itís really not
the word that matters or how many letters it is,
what matters is the meaning it carries.
Russ: well what about truth?
Skip: truth is a small word.
Russ: yeah it means vast amounts.
Treebeard: uh-huh, seeÖ.
Laura: but itís a reallyÖ..what
matters how itís spelled and whatever how you say
it, itís the meaning in the word.
Skip: yeah but what I was trying to
get at is the meaning of it, even for the
uneducated, they understand this okay? By being
such a small word, even with the magnificent
applications of it.
Russ: yeah if we were to call real,
the perception of the events that encompass our
environment that we call our world is the word we
use for real, weíd be forever trying to discuss
Laura: and the meaning would still be
Treebeard: hmmm, I will have to being
of dwelling on this later but after I have being
finished on matter we being of discussing last
Russ: uh-huh, okay good.
Treebeard: it is lesson for me being
to understand but understanding important. So much
to being for understanding but time being so
little, it is hard and difficult for the growth
necessary to learn what is necessary. It is like
being of Omal saying that if you were to take
timelines and combine them all being together,
analogy you understand is you are the center wire
in a huge cable?
Treebeard: but huge cable so big it
is being un-perceivable on size, it being of
Russ: hmmm, we canít grasp the
immensity of our environment through the
perception that we call reality because weíre
Treebeard: best way of saying is you
cannot see the woods for the treeÖtrees.
Laura: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ; good point, good point.
Skip: yeah, that's it exactly, good
Treebeard: question? Being of stealth
aircraft in crashing to forest, would anyone being
of hearing it if no one there?
Skip: in other words, would make a
noise if nobody was there to hear it.
Skip: itís the sameÖÖ
Russ: it was an attempt at humor,
that was very good Treebeard.
Skip: yes it is, it is a very good
example. Itís the same with having a
Skip: would anybody hear it if nobody was
make a noise if nobody was there?
Skip: not to our ears.
Laura: it still would make a noise,
it's just that we wouldn't hear it.
Skip: how do you know it would make a
noise if you wasnít there to hear it?
Laura: because itís logical.
Skip: no, it isn't logical.
Laura: for me it is.
Skip: okay alright, I'll go along
with that, I'll go along with that. But youíre
Skip: that has been an example for
many, many years.
Treebeard: it is a perception on what
reality is. If you being of perceiving what is,
then it is so but not being perceiving of what it
is, then it isnít.
Russ: now Treebeard, hereís a
question for you Iíve always had trouble with.
Russ: our dťjŗ vu, or what we call
dťjŗ vu, always occurs from a dream state that we
then relive in a physical awareness or perception.
Now because of that, is the dream state that we
are experiencing that we will live later on, an
actual traveling through some of the various
timelines and visiting aspects of ourselves and
various other environments that we relive at maybe
perhaps some other time because all things are
Treebeard: being you of open and easy
to being of probing, I would answer clearly what
you are saying by not saying. Best way of saying
is that mental waves from other aspects of
yourself being close, even in the same proximity
but in parallel universes being transmitting the
information you are receiving.
Russ: oh so weíre not going there,
theyíre merely thinking and weíre picking up the
Treebeard: being of correct. Normally
when feeling of same same visit before happen, it
is of place that is striking you as beautiful and
strong emotional output is being exerted. You are
being picking up of that event. So when you have
feeling of strong emotional output, a real of you
in another parallel timeline is picking up feeling
of dťjŗ vu later on.
Russ: wait a minute, I think I
grasped that but Iím not quite sure.
Skip: go ahead.
Russ: so when IÖ..I canít be right
because if I had a dream letís say five years ago
and suddenly I come in to a situation where that
dream is relived in every exact, same detail.
Russ: well just a portion of the
Russ: maybe all of 30 seconds, how is
the thoughts of someone on another aspect
influence that dream state of five years ago?
Treebeard: because being of all
possible outcomes having happened, those outcomes
also similar ones occur in your present timeline.
So actions in another timeline of being earlier,
something happening or supposedly being happening
earlier, that did not happen in your timeline that
has to happen in another timeline occurs so
therefore transmittal happens because of great
emotional stress and then is picked up in the
dream state when it is meant to happen in your
timeline. All timelines not happening in same
Russ: yeah but five years apart?
Skip: time has no matter.
Laura: no, yeah.
Russ: thatís true.
Treebeard: uh-huh, being of example,
take Susie. (From Sedona.)
Treebeard: okay being of nine years
Russ: uh-huh or longer, ten.
Treebeard: okay, being of moving.
Treebeard: okay, supposing you and
being of Susie together and Susie being supposedly
in timeline that you two still together has child
five years ago.
Treebeard: then the great emotional
joy would create a connection with a near timeline
of you where it would be dream't and then another
person replacing that in the future will take
Russ: so we create the dťjŗ vu?
Treebeard: correct but in different
Russ: so we make it fit to our
particular environment and itís really just an
emotional feeling that we paint and fill in the
Treebeard: being of correct.
Russ: being of weird.
Treebeard: hmm, weird.
Treebeard: definition of weird?
Russ: hard to comprehend.
Laura: strange, illogical in ways.
Skip: many definitions Treebeard.
Treebeard: all inaccurate for word.
Having being of discussion with Mark and I ask
what is weird, he give correct answer. Anyone
being of knowing where word come from?
Russ: weird, isn't it from the Celtic
ability of usingÖno?
Treebeard: inaccurate information. It
being of Saxon.
Russ: ohh Saxon.
Treebeard: weird meaning good,
Treebeard: I being of trying to
recall what Mark give explanation for. I be of
different thought processes when he mentioned. I
be dwelling on question that I wouldíve been
answering tonight however too many arrived so I
being therefore of brushing aside and not paying
attention as should. Wishing of I had.
Russ: hmm, no problem but youíve
answered some very important questions.
Laura: oh yeah, oh yeah.
Skip: yeah definitely.
Russ: itíll take me a while to grasp
but I canít wait to get it on the webpage.
Treebeard: I being of honored to be
able to in some small way aid in learning. It is
Russ: no small way though, thatís for
sure, it's a biggie.
Treebeard: I am being of greatly
honored. It is small way that I may be able to
shed light in best way possible for all.
Russ: Iíve asked this question to
many people including Omal but no nobodyís given
that answer in that way that made me understand it
Treebeard: well being of gift that I
be of having, it is easier for me to pick what is
being said when not being said.
Treebeard: okay I be one more?
Treebeard: question of asking.
Russ: Iím good myself, Iíve got to
dwell on this for a while.
Laura: I think Iím done as well.
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
Laura: yes, thank you Treebeard.
Skip: thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you are being of welcome.
May your lives be filled with light and it has
been an honor and a pleasure. Laura.
Laura: thank you.
(Kiri returns to make the transition between
Russ: well thatís why itís so
perfect, every detail of the dream is that we
Laura: yeah this dream thing, it
really struck something.
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hi, hi, hi again. Uh-huh, Tia
was going to be present but at the moment she is
taking care of Lyka.
Russ: no problem, priorities.
Russ: Tiaís taking care of Lyka whose
wandering through the bamboo.
Laura: she's talking to the roses.
Russ: asking the grass how itís
Kiri: (Starts singing.) I talk to the
trees but they don't listen me. I talk to the
Skip: you better lay off them
Kiri: hey, I havenít been munching
flowers buddy, Iím just poking
fun at Lyka. OkayÖ..
Skip: all right.
Kiri: (taps her fingers.) yes?
Skip: are you the one that I ask
Kiri: well you can try.
Skip: thanks a lot.
Skip: I was just wondering if my
guide has made it yet.
Kiri: yeah, heís learning at the
Skip: sorry that he had to check out.
Kiri: I think he was glad actually.
Kiri: think he was glad.
Skip: well that could be too because
thatís kinda tough.
Kiri: uh-huh, having seen firsthand
somebody pass away like that, itís very, very
Skip: it is tough.
Kiri: very, very hard, very painful.
Skip: but heís learning at the moment
Kiri: reviewing and learning before
Skip: oh sure, sure, I understand
Kiri: okay, may take a while longer.
Kiri: my grandmother said that it
would take a little bit of time.
Laura: I have a question.
Laura: since we're talking about
guides, is it possible that some people go through
an incarnation without having a guide to guide
them or that there is just a guide for a specific
time period thatís there and then lose contact or
Kiri: unfortunately there are
occasions where guides totally are devoid.
Kiri: because of poor timing or
something happens that throws the timing all out.
Laura: because what I thought is the
reason for not having a guide present is that
maybe we need to go through a self-experience
of ourselves meaning......
Kiri: that is....
Laura: there is no assistance.
Kiri: I apologize for interrupting
but yes, that does happen as well,
there are times where an individual for whole
entire lifetime wonít have a guide and
unfortunately that is poor timing. Itís one of
those things that everybody will experience in one
Kiri: that life without a guide or
Laura: so there also is a guide that
just guides you through a specific period of life?
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Laura: okay then.
Kiri: once its job is done it moves
Laura: thatís what it seems like for
Kiri: ahhhÖ.weeeeee. Iím just poking
fun. Sheís just wandered by and Tiaís in hot
pursuit. You should see it, itís funny. And our
little Durondedunn tiger cat is very agile but she
keeps on getting eluded. AnywayÖ..
Laura: I have another question, Iím
Laura: so which is the best way for
us to get in contact with our guide?
Kiri: through meditation and
Laura: I tried that but it wouldnít
work. Itís like my guide told me this exercise to
do in order get in contact with her.
Laura: but somehow it just wouldnít
work and every time I tried to get in contact with
her, she seemed to appear through other people.
Kiri: uh-huh, maybe the timeís not
ready yet for you to make that contact.
Kiri: yeah, sheís there. She is
there, itís just a matter of being ready.
Kiri: if you remember, she said when
you are ready.
Laura: of course she did, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, when you are ready.
Kiri: okay, Iím going to put on the
last speaker. We may have one more speaker if we
can catch up and subdue the elusive, doped up
Lyka. Hopefully sheíll find a corner and curl up
and then weíll have her.
(Karra ends the night and the
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hey, hey.
Russ: how you doing tonight love?
Karra: Iím doing good, tired but Iím
Karra: okay, learning patterns.
Okay, itís something that you can all use but
weíre going to start off with for the obvious
reason with infants. Okay, now a learning
pattern designed for an infant to stimulate
maximum mental growth and spiritual growth. All
the coochie-coochie coos are fine. ďWhoís a
good, strong baby?Ē is always fine. ďWhoís a
beautiful baby?Ē always fine but, you must also
talk to the child as an adult using words that
are adult words. This has a twofold effect. One
effect is the fact that youíre treating a child
like a child but youíre also giving the
opportunity to learn and to advance the mind of
the child at a much rapid
rate, much more rapid rate. So when you do the
ďcoochie-coochie coo, whoís a beautiful baby?Ē,
you can always add in ďand you will grow up to
be a smart and intelligent person.Ē So in one
sentence you are talking to the child in a
rather silly way but in the next you are giving
it a compliment and using words that later on
will increase its vocabulary. The stimulation of
the mind is very, very important. Putting a
child down in front of a entertainment device is
not good. Sitting with the child in front of the
communication device is also not
goodÖÖentertainment device, sorry. If you sit
the child in front of a educational
entertainment, then it must be explained to the
child afterwards and must be followed through on
to increase the childís mental development.
Parents that sit their child in front of the
entertainment device and leave them to their own
devices are very remiss in their duties as
parents. It is better to sit down and read from
a book to a child then it is to leave them
unattended in front of the entertainment device.
That causes problems later on and gives them
difficulties in perceptions of what is fact and
what is fantasy. Okay now, when the child starts
to talk, it is important to correct the child so
that the child speaks crisply and clearly and
eloquently. You give the child key words that
are hard for the childís mouth to form but by
copying and practicing that key word or key
words, the childís mouth will be able to
enunciate those words more correctly. For
example, enunciate is one word that is very
useful to help to explain or to manipulate the
childís mouth and pallet to be able to formulate
higher words. But when you give the child these
words that they learn and they repeat them until
they have them down, the next thing is to get
them to use it in a sentence where it is
understood. The earlier that you start, the more
advancement will happen with the child. Now as
you stimulate the childís mind, you must
stimulate it in all capacities. Now with the
mental development, there also comes an
enlightened consciousness which will lead to the
spiritual development. Now let us address the
spiritual development which my sister and myself
and a few others have been aiding in. At an
early age, the child should have a quiet time
where the child sits still and thinks and dwells
within itself. To start off with, five minutes
is more than adequate but as a child gets older
and the development continues, then the child's
spiritual growth needs to be addressed with
longer increments of time where that is able and
capable to facilitate that spiritual growth.
Now, if youíre working with key skills, for
example let us say your child is a healer, then
there is a time where you start to teach the
child the capability of the hands and that by
touching somebody in an appropriate way and
generating appropriate feeling can create a
euphoric and a healing process. But you must
explain continuously with all the subjects that
weíve covered, the mental, the spiritual and the
gift departments, what is happening so that you
have to explain and be prepared to repeat it
many, many times until the child understands.
Now, as a child learns, you revisit earlier
levels to see if the child has learned it
properly and correctly. Now if there are
difficulties with members of the parental group
that are causing problems in these, then they
must be dealt with unfortunately very harshly
because what they are doing is they are stopping
the mental, physical and spiritual growth of the
child which is important to be able to
facilitate the maximum potential that that child
has. If for example one person of a parental
unit or parental group thinks that itís
appropriate for the child to sit down in front
of a entertainment device, then that must be
addressed. If necessary, the entertainment
device must be withdrawn even if it causes
friction for the development of the childís
mind. A child would advance much more rapidly if
it has more stimulation then something coming
from a tube placed in front of it. That is very
important and very necessary for the childís
growth that it has as much stimulation as
possible from a source that is controlled and is
designed to facilitate the mental growth. Any
Russ: hmm, now what about stuff for
example educational material at a later age?
Karra: I said that it when we
covered that briefly that it is necessary to
explain what is going on and to learn or to test
the child to see what the child has learned.
Russ: I grew up in an age of TV
where TV was like a babysitter.
Karra: yes, uh-huh.
Russ: and I got a lot of TV.
Skip: but see, I grew up without
Laura: horrible thought.
Skip: no my entertainment was
Karra: uh-huh but you did other
things whilst you were listening to the radio.
Skip: you can do lots of things
listening to the radio.
Karra: uh-huh but with the picture
entertainment, you sit there and look at it and
everything else around becomes irrelevant, is
Skip: yeah thatís right.
Karra: so therefore it is a
negative for the advancement of the mind. Itís
great to be able to sit down and watch it for
entertainment purposes and know that itís
entertainment but to take it as gospel is wrong.
Just as my point of view is my point of view,
the television projects somebody else's point of
view which may not be right.
Russ: uh-huh, yeah true. Howard
Karra: uh-huh. So you see what Iím
Karra: it is important that the
entertainment device if necessary is withdrawn
if the child spends too much time being placed
in front of it.
Russ: hmm, so a childís room should
definitely have zero TV's.
Russ: thatís easy to arrange.
Karra: uh-huh. And if one member of
the parental group countermands that or places
the child where there is an entertainment
device, then the entertainment device must be
removed. There is certainly yes, a time where
you could put the child down to
watch entertainment and explain that it is
entertainment and itís not real.
Kiri: and that it is entertainment
only. But if it becomes a babysitter, then it
must be removed and the job of both parents is
to parent the child. To be there for the child,
to read to the child, to do whatever is
necessary. Now later on we will come up with a
very strict learning structure which is very
Sirian but has been heavily modified. The basic
parameters are very Sirian, some of them are
quite austere but theyíre all designed for the
advancement of the mind, the body and the
Russ: now do these things need to
be taken at an infant level or can anybody do
Karra: yes, they start at infant
level but some people with infantile minds may
Karra: I know.
Karra: Iím just in that mode
Russ: I understand.
Skip: thank you.
Karra: oh no problem. Hey, ask
away, ask questions.
Russ: howís the ambassadorial
duties doing right now? Anybody in town?
Karra: yes Iíve got a few in town.
Iíve got a couple of dignitaries from the ski
council that are present.
Russ: hmm, how did that idea work
about awarding people with getting to stay in
the ambassadorial quarters? Took a dive, huh?
Karra: took a dive. First of all
they took advantage of it and thenÖ.
Russ: what, they had a big party?
Russ: ďparty at the ambassadorial
place man, yeah.Ē
Karra: it was kind of like that. It
wasnít as wild but certainly some furniture
was broken in over-exuberance.
Russ: ahh well it was
an excellent idea but will have to be put on
the back burner for a while.
Karra: uh-huh, it
worked briefly. Next time I decide to do
something like that, what I will do is I will
have a platoon of oath keepers.
Russ: good idea.
Karra: uh-huh okay,
letís get relaxed and lightly.
Karra: okay, letís
talk about whatever. HealingÖ..
Skip: how do you heal
Karra: supposedly, and
I'm not very good at it at the moment, stress
is a problem that causes difficulty with
healing. If you have too much stress in your
life, your body healing capacity becomes
suppressed, I know
firsthand. First of all, it depends on what
needs healing. Let us say a twisted ankle.
There are standard things that you can do such
as ice, elevating it, taking weight off of it
and not letting the stress of walking on it be
so. So in another words, minimum walking. You
can put ice on it to bring down the swelling,
elevating it will also help but to speed up
the process, you have to have the belief that
you can heal it. By Ēit will get better, it
will be stronger.Ē Repeating positive thoughts
that it will heal, it will be better and
treating it as if it was an appendage
belonging to somebody else that youíre
healing. For example, Skip, how would you heal
letís say Lauraís ankle?
Skip: well, lay hands
on it and send the energy, my healing energy
Karra: uh-huh. Whatís
to stop you from doing that to yourself?
Skip: I've never given
it a thought that way.
Karra: uh-huh. Healer,
heal thyself, the bane of my life. But, all
jokes aside, yes it can be done if you treat
it as an appendage belonging to somebody else.
Laura: so why does it
seem easier for us to help others than to help
Karra: because you are
expecting yourself to heal yourself faster and
quickly and it doesn't so therefore it seems
longer. Hmm, I see I
didnít answer the question properly. Because
you are healing yourself and using your
energies, you expect a faster healing process
but, itís the same healing time as if youíre
healing somebody else but because youíre
healing yourself and you perceive that it
doesnít have so far to go, so thereforeÖÖ
THE TAPE ENDS