ALL THE PERFECT POSSIBILITIES 04/13/99
Archivist Notes: What is real? That is the
question this month's theme is rooted in and many of
various subtleties of that concept are
addressed by the various speakers. For example, Kiri's knocking over the microphone and
possibly causing a nasty hiss she
fixed by knocking it over again
certainly brings the theme
into stark focus. It
her statement that such
things carry over timelines
to teach a point in each
off with Kiri taking
on perfection and
whether there is such
a thing. She uses the
Sirian perspective of
lives, times and
aspects to explore
usual, she does so
Was it a positive or
was it a negative?
Who's to say. Omal
theme by first discussing
one of the
reasons for dťjŗ
vu being the
and forth. A
Lyka comes on
to channel and
this is not a
Lyka we have seen
example of the
effects of the
off side two
past lives in
together of the
moment. He has
why the word
real is so
short and a
Karra is the
on side two
mental and spiritual
the norm for lightworker
ends the night
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(Kiri gets the night started.)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: yo, yo, yo.
Skip: how you doing darling?
Kiri: Iím doing good.
Skip: sorry we was carrying on a conversation while you was
Kiri: oh thatís all right.
Kiri: hey putty tat. Come on, up you go.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: howís it going?
Kiri: itís going good.
Kiri: (blows a raspberry.)
Skip: so whatís on the agenda for this evening?
Kiri: okay, what weíve got? Nope, no warp core discussions.
Okay, let's see, what are we going to cover? Okay, ask away.
Skip: hmmm alright, can I ask a question?
Skip: this 2YK thing thatís coming up.
Skip: year 2000 crash, thatís what they call it okay? Y2K.
Kiri: crash is with a ka soÖ..
Skip: K instead of with a C, yeah right.
Kiri: crunch would be better.
Skip: crunch okay, Iíll go for that. But anyhowÖ..
Skip: are we going to haveÖÖÖtheyíre prophesying rolling
brownouts and blackouts all the way across the continent. Is
this going to happen or not?
Kiri: there are possibilities. Tia would be the expert to
ask, at the moment sheís busy trying to settle down a bunch
of rambunctious Cubs.......
Skip: okay all right.
Kiri: that are playing whatís it? Leap frog.
Skip: okay. The reason why I was asking isÖ..
Skip: on account of stockpiling water. Waterís going to be
our biggest problem.
Kiri: yeah, yeah.
Skip: food we can keep but waterís going to be our biggest
problem. But Iíve got a supply that wonít quit now.
Skip: itís a mountain stream. Iím going to grab a sample of
it the next time Iím over there and have it tested to make
Russ: check for some Giardia in there though.
Russ: should be some Giardia in there.
Skip: whatís that?
Russ: itís a waterborne virus caused by animals who've been
drinking in it or you know excreting in it.
Skip: oh okay all right, I gotcha.
Russ: and itís fairly bad for humans to scarf up.
Skip: okay all right, I gotcha, I understand what youíre
Russ: and itís clear, you canít taste it, you canít smell
it, you canít see it but it will mess you up.
Russ: but with a charcoal filter youíll be fine.
Skip: well actually you can boil it.
Russ: you can
Kiri: uh-huh, or distill it.
Kiri: or distill it.
Skip: distill it yeah well, that takes more fuel than what
weíre going to have.
Kiri: you have tons of wood.
Skip: tons of wood is fine except that you canít burn
outside, we got a problem there.
Skip: okay Iím trying to cover all bases hon, thatís what
Kiri: uh-huh, a likely story. Okay, next questions?
Laura: okay, I have one.
Kiri okay, yes thank you.
Laura: Iím trying to find out what it is called when we
experience talking to somebody and you feel it is not really
you talking but somebody else.
Laura: oh thatís channeling? And you can do that while
youíre totally conscious?
Kiri: conscious channeling.
Laura: oh wow.
Kiri: uh-huh, or chunneling.
Russ: yeah, Kiri was doing that the other night with Mark.
Kiri: oh thatís semi-conscious.
Russ which one?
Kiri: ha ha, very funny.
Skip: would that be your guide coming through you?
Kiri: yes, quite possibly.
Skip: okay, all right okay.
Kiri: now Russ and myself were having an interesting debate
on the wording of a question and the question was, there is
no such thing as positive or negative, only the perfect
solution or the perfect situation. Everything is perfect,
Russ: that is the essence of the question, yes.
Kiri: uh-huh. Now the problem was in the wording. Okay first
of all Russ hush okayÖ.
Russ: I wonít say nothing.
Kiri: is the world perfect or is there positive and
Skip: thereís positive and negative.
Laura: itís perfect.
Skip: there is no perfect.
Laura: itís perfect in the way it's supposed to be now.
Kiri: uh-huh but is there positive or negative?
Laura: depends on how you look at it.
Skip: itís both.
Laura: depends on from which perspective you look at a
thing. It can be negative, it can be positive, it can be
Kiri: uh-huh good, good, good, good. Skip and your answer
Kiri: to the question.
Skip: itís both.
Kiri: itís both, positive and negative.
Kiri: you canít have one without the other.
Skip: thatís correct.
Kiri: okay itís a matter of semantics and everything. Now,
the discussion was and Russ will fill everybody inÖ..
Russ: uh-hmm....ahhh that the fact that even though we
express something as positive, or express something as
negative, it's still a perfect whatever it is.
Russ: so therefore you canít really have positive or
negative, it's just terms you use to describe the emotions
involved with your perception of the event.....
Russ: but itís not really positive or negative, theyíre
really just terms that we have to use to understand each
other when we talk about something.
Laura: how, like this. Yeah.
Russ: I canít say ďoh that bus crash that killed 30 people
was perfect.Ē People would be well pissed off at me at that
Kiri: uh-huh. So by being forced to interact in other
peopleís worlds Russ, you have to use the terminology that
Russ: correct, yeah otherwise you get ostracized.
Russ: but now we were discussing a concept. What was it, a
Russ: a Sirian concept whereby we look at the past, years,
centuries, worlds that weíve inhabited and lives that weíve
lived to bring us to this very point.
Russ: and had anything changed one minutia.
Laura: we wouldnít be there.
Russ: we wouldnít be here doing what weíre doing where we're
at right now.
Russ: therefore everything thatís lead up to thisÖ..
Laura: is perfect.
Russ: is perfect but we canít use the term perfectÖ.
Kiri: because itís notÖ..
Laura: depends on which definition you give perfect, whether
you can use it or not.
Russ: well is there a difference between perfect and
Laura: could be.
Russ: okay well letís hear it, that is what weíre trying to
Laura: thatís the positive and negative again with the
perfect because the positiveÖ.
Russ: so thereís a positive perfect and a negative perfect?
Laura: okay perfect for one could mean there is no mistakes
and one could see there has been mistakes but for the other,
it could mean it had to lead through those things to come to
that perfect state and itís always been perfect because
those were all elements we needed.
Russ: yeah but when you use the term mistake, itís a
Laura: thatís why it comes back to positive and negative
Russ: which doesnít really get into what we were discussing
because the fact that you're even saying itís a mistake is
saying itís not perfect.
Russ: so that is where we come into the concept that Sirius
has concerning how everything leads up to here.
Laura: perfect timing.
Russ: but we donít have a word for it.
Kiri: okay, the concept is, that there is positive and
negative. There are mistakes, things are flawed but the
reason that they're flawed is so that if they werenít
flawed, then you would not learn the lessons. If everything
happened as they are supposed to and there is no lessons to
learn, then there is no progression and with no progression
there is no advancement and with no advancement there is no
evolution. So the mistakes are there designed in such a way
that theyíre a random factor for you to learn from that you
can have many different outcomes. Now if you take into
consideration timelines as well on top of this, every
possible action that you can make happens and you go on this
timeline and then you deviate to a new timeline, to a
another timeline with each mistake that you make and each
possible outcome that you go through. But youíve got to
remember that there are a myriad of possible outcomes for
each problem so therefore with each problem, there is a
different answer or many different answers. So therefore
youíre just on this timeline and your timeline may change
and deviate and you may continue as a group on that timeline
but an aspect of you goes down another timeline with each
possible myriad of outcomes. So therefore the mistakes that
are made, are made in a way so that you have future learning
Russ: all right now on that point, what is the Sirian word
Kiri: we donít have one.
Russ: I didnít think so. So letís sayÖ..
Laura: mistakes can be part of perfection because mistake we
are labeling as negative but it doesnít have to be.
Russ: well no actually, mistake could be described as a
Kiri: I think the nearest we have is an error.
Russ: error, okay. Or not a crossroads so much
because crosswords say that two things cross.
Russ: what weíre talking about is aÖ.
Skip: Y in the road.
Russ: a Y in the road okay? So each Y splits into infinite
number of directions from the single path that youíre at.
Russ: so therefore each mistake as we'll call it for our
terminology to understand, is actually just a Y.
Skip: refuse to make a decision.
Kiri: Iíve got a little example. Okay, all three of you are
not allowed to say the exact same outcome as everybody else.
Russ: okay well before you do that, Iím going to turn the
heat up a little bit while you guys work on you two. I'll be
in a second.
Kiri: okay well weíve got to have Russ present for this as
Skip: okay all right.
Skip: give him a second, heís going to turn up the heater
just a little bit.
Russ: alright, hit me.
Kiri: okay, weíll start off with Laura.
Kiri: okay, see this microphone? Okay Iím going to knock it
over. Which sideís it's going to fall on?
Laura: the left.
Kiri: okay, Russ?
Russ: depends on which way you knock it.
Kiri: well Iím going to do it blind.
Russ: right, so it depends on which way you knock it.
Kiri: which way is it going to fall?
Russ: it all depends on the way you knock it.
Kiri: no I need the direction. Donít be so hard-headed, give
me a direction it's going to fall.
Russ: well it has to be different from her.
Kiri: well youíve got to be different.
Russ: all right, it will fall toward me.
Kiri: okay, Skip?
Skip: it's going to fall towards you.
(Kiri knocks the microphone over.)
Kiri: okay, actually it fell more that way so itís between
the two of you which is a different outcome than what all of
you said. Okay, that is an example of a path breaking. Now
if we had 20 people in the room and each one followed the
rules exactly and said which direction it would go in right?
We would have 20 different answers. And there was a
possibility that it would go in the 21st direction or the
22nd or if we had 100 people.
Skip: it still could go in different directions.
Kiri: correct and that is the best way to describe the
possible outcome. Okay, now we can do the experiment again
right? And weíll start off with Skip this time. Youíre not
in the experiment cat. Which way is it going to fall?
Skip: toward the weight machine.
Kiri: okay, Laura?
Laura: to the front.
Russ: toward Laura this time.
Russ: toward Laura this time.
Kiri: okay, let me get a focus on it.
(Kiri knocks over the microphone again.)
Kiri: and I tapped it down this time for a reason. Okay, but
again, that is an example of all the possible outcomes. So
the possible outcomes are each different then what we
perceive. There are so many different outcomes that to say
that there is one outcome and itís perfect, itís perfect for
you in your world, perfect for you in your world and perfect
for you in your world. Donít know about you though but, the
possible outcomes all depend on the individual's
perceptions. Now the mistakes that are made, mistakes that
are made are there for a reason. They are an error in
judgment, they are an error in calculations but, theyíre
designed in such a way that the possible outcomes are so
many that there is a correct answer and on the correct
answer depends on the timeline that youíre in. If youíre in
a timeline of a particular kind, the answer that you come up
with and the error is the correct one regardless of what
timeline your on. But, without the mistake or the
imperfection, then there would be no learning lesson. So a
learning lesson comes from an error you see?
Kiri: so the imperfection creates the error which gives the
Russ: now hereís a question for you.
Russ: now the four of usÖ..
Russ: not including Mark because heís not here, are all on
this particular timeline even the catÖ..
Russ: we're all experiencing the same perception, the same
time that we all agree upon.
Russ: now one of us makes an error.
Russ: okay? I drop my hat and it goes that way.
Russ: okay, now we all perceived it as that but letís say
it's such an error, the fact that now I split off on this
Russ: while you guys of course go with me but an aspect of
you guys all go on another one with me on another aspect.
Russ: so therefore, there is now eight of us going off two
Russ: which is actuallyÖÖI know, I should say infinite
numbers of us all going off in infinite directions of us.
Russ: just for simplifying the fact.
Kiri: uh-huh, correct.
Russ: okay, so now weíve all cut off and weíre all perfect
in our perception for my timeline which made the error which
you guys all followed me on.
Russ: (laughs) suckers...anyway......
(Laughs all around.)
Kiri: but you see the thing is, that the imperfection has
created a new timeline.
Kiri: and has created a learning lesson. This time Russ,
pick up your hat.........
Russ: yeah okay.
Kiri: okay, and weíre each going to get two choices.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: okay what I want you to do is to throw it straight up
and weíre going to not say which way itís going to go, weíre
going to say where itís going to land. Okay, Laura?
Russ: two choices huh?
Laura: two choices.
Kiri: two choices.
Laura: I really donít know.
Kiri: is there a piece of paper?
Russ: yeah right here.
Kiri: rip into six pieces because Iím going to participate.
Russ: oh are you now?
Russ: all right, six pieces.
Russ: letís do it with this one then. One, two, three, four,
five, six. Okay, weíre at six.
Kiri: okay hand two to Laura.
Russ: Laura, you get two.
Kiri: give Skip two.
Russ: Skip, hereís two. I got a pen.
Kiri: I get two.
Russ: I get two.
Laura: and we have to place them where we think itís going
Kiri: correct. Okay?
Russ: oh, you do it, well got itÖ.okay.
Laura: from where are you going to throw it?
Russ: straight up.
Kiri: okay close your eyes.
Russ: okay, theyíre closed.
Kiri: okay, up.
(Throws the hat up.)
Russ: well, Lauraís right on the money.
Kiri: right on the money.
Russ: dead on.
Kiri: possible outcomes though. Laura happens to be correct
but an aspect of the hat has landed on all of them.
Kiri: and all over the floor.
Laura: explain that.
Kiri: okay, with all the possible outcomes, weíve put down
just six outcomesÖÖ.
Kiri: on the floor but, if you look at the possible outcomes
of all possible outcomes, it couldíve landed anywhere.
Skip: thatís correct.
Kiri: okay? So therefore the six represents all of the
outcomes and in all of the outcomes and all the
possibilities, every one a hat has landed on. So, in another
situation right? The hat has landed on the other one of
yours, both of yours and both of mine.
Russ: and the myriad of other places it landed.
Laura: exactly. So therefore, the example of the possible
outcomes is that everything's happened. Everything that you
can think of has happened, even the fact of putting them on
the ceiling. For some reason, the hat gets stuck on the
ceiling, the laws of gravity get suspended. I can arrange
that very easily.
Russ: okay......tell us......
Kiri: in fact thatís an interesting little joke thatísÖ.
Russ: okay, hereís a question for you then. What happens
toÖÖ.we never I assume run out of space for these infinite
possibilities to land but how does reality encompass all of
these possibilities happening all the time to everybody in
Laura: sounds like forth dimension.
Kiri: not quite, forth dimension is time.
Russ: try fifth dimension.
Kiri: it is part of the fourth dimension, all the possible
outcomes. If you were to travel in time and to look at time
as you're traveling, you see will see all possible outcomes
Kiri: but the experiment is that we could do it again and
not move any of themÖÖpick up the hat again.
Kiri: all right, sit back, close your eyes okayÖÖ.go.
(Throws the hat again.)
on mine that time.
Laura: it didnít hit the ceiling either.
Russ: I wasnít trying.
Kiri: but that was part of the equation, that it wasnít
thrown as high as it should be. Again, one more time.
(Throws it again.)
Kiri: it didnít land on any of them that time.
Kiri: you see? But thatís all the possible outcomes. You can do
that a 100 times and it will not land in the exact same
place. You could do it a 1,000 times and it would not land
in the exact same place.
Russ: or exact same way.
Kiri: you could do it a million times or a billion times or
a trillion times or a gazillion times or however many times
that you want and it will not happen in the exact same way
Russ: so thatís why life is perfect?
Kiri: because of all those possible outcomes but, it is not
perfect because the mistakes have to be made in order for
the lessons to occur. Now when the lessons occur, you have
all the possible outcomes.
Laura: so the mistakes are really not mistakes?
Kiri: theyíre random acts that are designed to happen in
such a way that one event follows another.
Russ: so in essence, mistakes are a grammatical term that we
use yet we only use that in a way that we use it to explain
it. Theyíre not mistakes..........
Russ: they are actions, they are things that are taking
Kiri: theyíre errors, thatís the closest that I can come to
Laura: so are they part of karma, what we call karma?
Kiri: karmaís a very slippery and interesting concept that
that I have great difficulty understanding.
Russ: well you have access to all your past lives, how
can you have trouble understanding it?
Kiri: itís the concept of karma.
Russ: oh. I thought that was a pretty simple concept though.
Kiri: pretty simple for you in your definition but there are
many different definitions. Karma to the Japanese is
actually a spirit.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: so thatís two examples but you see that there are a
myriad of possibilities.
Kiri: now so when we make a choice, a action, all of them
occur. Weíve got that clear?
Kiri: okay, everybody understands that.
Kiri: so, it cannot be perfect because without the actions,
that would be perfect. A perfect situation is where the
outcomes come out exactly the same and as we know, that
canít be. Thatís why weíve done the experiments of tossing
the hat and knocking the microphone.
Kiri: those are experiments to see or to demonstrate that
things are not perfect.
Russ: hmm, so weíre closer to the Sirian terminology then.
Kiri: uh-huh, but thereís not one word.
Russ: there is no one word, itís a concept.
Kiri: no, there is no one word, itís a concept.
Kiri: itís all possible outcomes can occur but without the
action of the imperfection, they cannot occur.
Russ: actually got very close to explaining perfection
without actually calling it perfection.
Kiri: but itís not perfection because the outcomes have to
occur and it appears as perfection because of all the myriad
of possible, infinite number of outcomes.
Russ: that make sense. So ifÖ.
Kiri: so thatís why it appears as perfection.
Russ: right, if you took that equation away then yeah, it
would be perfection.
Kiri: uh-huh but it canít be.
Russ: but it canít be because you have that equation in
Kiri: correct, because of all the possible outcomes. Okay,
Russ: no, that covers mine, I understand finally.
Laura: Iím perfectly happy.
Kiri: perfect huh? I think we ought to shave his mustache
Russ: just half of it.
Kiri: yes. What do you think? Think we should Skip? You got
Skip: no I donít think so, you answered mine.
Kiri: okay well Iím the ring mistressÖÖ.okay.
Russ: getting the idea of a circus that weíre in, a three
ring circus? Youíre in one ring, youíre in one
thing and Iím in the other ring, sheís over there with the
whip going.......(cracks a whip.)
Skip: yeah right, a three ring circus, yeah right. Oh golly.
(Omal dispels the circus illusion.)
Omal: greetings and felicitations. Interesting
demonstrations, greetings Laura, greetings Skip, greetings
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and how is everybody functioning?
Omal: that is probably the most coherent that we have seen
the mischievous Kiri for quite a while.
Russ: quite entertaining and informative at the same time.
Omal: correct, she has her own, unique
brand of education. Okay, there is nothing really that we
can go over and point out that is harmful or erroneous
within her statements.
Omal: no, (laughter ensues.) because she was very careful in
her choice of wording. To follow on from what she was saying
and from what Russ just said, is that there is a number of
possible ways that she could of conducted the whole entire
session concerning the outcomes of situations which in
itself is a demonstration and example of what is happening, the
lack of perfection is that Kiri could of done that a lot
better. She couldíve done it a lot worse but the examples
that she gave were ideal for the learning curve necessary.
Okay, let us move along and open the floor up to questions.
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: okay, the concept that I put forth that everybody
splits off from the various ideas with each of us as we go
there a point where we come back to a certain life and merge
back with it or because itís taken off and gone so many
different ways there is no way to that to ever happen?
Omal: there are ways that it does happen but that is an
aspect so when that merging happens, there are so
many different possible outcomes, that there are just as
many mergingís and separatingís going on as there were of
Russ: so what would be our perception of that? Would that be
what we would call dťjŗ vu?
Omal: to a certain extent yes and we have covered that in
but this is a new way of coming at it.
Omal: correct, it is a new way of coming at the same
Omal: which is in itself is open to many different
Laura: so does the feeling of dťjŗ vu always have to be
remembering a past life or what other possibilities are
there for that feeling of dťjŗ vu?
Omal: there are many, many different feelings and different
versions of dťjŗ vu. The feeling that you have been
somewhere before is a possible in a past life. It is also
possible a connection with yourself on another timeline or
on many different timelines, depending on how far ahead or
how many have split off prior to the point that are at the
same point. There are so many possible outcomes to every
situation that there are many, many different timelines in
fact billions and trillions, well an infinite number as Kiri
put it of timelines running continuously. If you were to say
that this is the center timeline and you have the ability to
see all the timelines, you would look to your right and see
forever. If you turn to your left, you would look and see
forever and you would see them all weaving in and out
between each other as a tapestry. Some merging and as they
merge, there are more splits and fractures occurring so that
there is even more timelines. So in actual fact to say that
be running side-to-side and above and below and all around
you continuously, it wouldnít be able to be
laid out all around you because there are so many different
fractures and timelines splitting off that you would be
bundled within timelines.
Russ: hmmm, so Karra and I have been doing an experiment
Russ: whereby we are sending energy into the direction of
Russ: to affect a change on aÖÖthe butterfly causing the
tornado or typhoon in Japan affect.
Russ: where one person generates this thought of peace in
the region. Now simultaneously throughout the world Iím not
the only one doing this.
Russ: at that same time.
Russ: the possibilities are infinite that thousands of
people are doing the same thing at the same time. Go ahead.
Laura: I have a question.
leads me back to what I asked in another session. When the
energy is sent, how do you knowÖÖhow do you send it? What I
mean asÖ..okay, youíre sending it for peace, how do you know
that this is really for their best and highest goal and
youíre not going against their will, their free will?
Omal: or their learning lesson.
Russ: or their learning lesson.
Russ: because of the fact that I am sending the energy.
Iím not directing at any one person or any one group of
people. Iím sending it to an area of the planet so that that
energy can be dispersed as it is needed. The energy is
Laura: so youíre not sending it for peace, youíre sending it
really for the best and highest good and whichever that is,
you're sending it for that purpose correct?
Russ: right, yeah Iím doing like putting a color to it.
Omal: even if it is genocide.
Russ: right but yeah the energy is there that the most
highest thing could come out of this.
Russ: you know.
Laura: thatís what I wanted to knowÖ..
Omal: uh-huh. Okay, continue.
Russ: okay, so as each of our lives come together and split
apart again, we meet similar people from other timelines and
maybe they donít have past lives with us but they seem to
Russ: because weíve merged with them in other aspects of
ourselves and other timelines and we have that sense of
Omal: uh-huh correct. I will answer both questions. Okay,
with the merging and the splitting off and the direction of
energy directed at Kosovo and all the possible myriad
outcomes and the uses of the energy for the higher good
regardless of what the higher good is, are all possible and
intertwined because of the myriad of number of outcomes. As
I stated, I said even genocide. If genocide is for the good
of the group and learning from the genocide being such a
horrific lesson but being necessary for future of
advancement, then that is also part of the common good.
However, the aspect of it is a negative situation which must
be overcome and learned from. So you have many different
possible outcomes and all of them needing to be learned from
and the advancement coming from those lessons is what is of
the highest good regardless of whether it is positive or
Russ: okay, that makes sense.
Omal: did that answer your question young lady?
Omal: okay, let us progress.
Russ: go ahead guys.
Skip: Iím just learning.
thatís all Iím doing.
satisfied right now.
Skip: I'm listening.
Russ: okay, Omal?
Russ: then when we project our energy for whatever purpose,
then what weíre doing is, weíre learning from the projection
of that energy each and every time we use it. Now as Kiri
was saying, even if that energy is negative it's still
something that we have done and because weíre alive and we
are experiencing life, then thatís something we need to
learn from. To not do so would be another lesson right?
Omal: would be flawed, not do so would be flawed but is
part of the lesson. All the possible outcomes
are there, all the possible outcomes happened. All the
actions and inactions happen.
Russ: hmm, okay. And so what weíre seeing isÖÖlet me see if
Iíve got this right. What weíre seeing then is actually a
movie. A movie thatís running and weíre justÖ..
Laura: itís an interactive movie.
Russ: an interactive movie right, or an interactive website.
Click here to go to this web page. Click there to go to this
Laura: choose the next level of the story.
Russ: correct yeah but thereís all these webpage links that
we're not clicking on because theyíre not part of what we
want to do or where we need to go. Is that an analogy we
could possibly use?
Omal: it would be better to say it is a story where the
actors or the characters fall out of the story and new ones
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: picked up, not by myself, but from your friend who
takes it from a book.
Russ: okay, hmm.
Omal: okay, any more questions?
Skip: then youíreÖÖ.what youíre saying then is if we take
the infinite possibilities of the stumbling block, thatís
why we got to keep living these lives over and over so we
learn the lessons?
Omal: correct, because there are a myriad of possible
all the possible outcomes, depending on which outcome you in
your present perception, depends on the direction that
youíre heading in and whether or not you have to repeat the
lesson and make the correct choice in this incarnation on
Russ: I just had an interesting thought. That means all
three of us are on the sixth dimension, the seventh
dimension, the eighth dimension, the ninth dimension and so
Omal: it doesnít happen that way.
Russ: oh, why not? It sounds like a great idea.
Skip: okay, the reason why not is because we havenít learned
our lesson here yet.
Russ: but in every possible way, we have.
no we haven't.
because they are still
more lessons needed to learn before you can advance to that.
You cannot be ahead of yourself, you are where you are
now. To be on those higher levelsÖÖ.
Skip: you have to graduate from the school.
Omal: correct, you cannot advance higher than you are
Laura: okay but I read something that some people choose to
come to a lower dimension again to pick up a lesson they
didnít quite learn.
Laura: is that correct?
Omal: that is correct.
Omal: but you cannot go above yourself until you are ready
to be there. You can go back, but you cannot go forward. You
cannot be ahead of yourself when youíre not ready. There are
a few people that do but they are only temporarily on a
higher level. If they are not ready, then they get sent back
as soon as their time is done to learn the lessons that
theyíre not ready to learn. There are those from a higher
level that come down to relearn lessons or to teach lessons.
Skip: yep, Iím there.
Omal: okay, any more questions?
Skip: no thank you.
Omal: okay live long, prosper and Iíll be back.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: auf wiedersehen.
Russ: kind of takes a while to get used to it.
Skip: Iím there.
Russ: you've come forward and then come back?
Skip: no Iíve come back.
Russ: come back?
Skip: yeah because IÖ.
Russ: are you talking about the big tree place?
Skip: no, I was on Sirius, I was an engineer.
Russ: from where?
Skip: I was an engineer. I come back because I've missed
(Lyka cruises into her turn in the
Lyka: huh? No.
Russ: oh, Lyka?
Russ: hi Lyka.
Skip: hey sweetheart.
Skip: how you doing?
Lyka: Iím doing okay, I guess.
Russ: Lyka this is Laura.
Lyka: Laura, itís nice to meet you.
Laura: itís nice to meet you too.
Russ: and thatís Lyka.
Skip: she knows me.
Lyka: yes, I know you.
Skip: but itís been a long time.
Lyka: itís been a while.
Skip: our long time, maybe not your long time, but our long
Lyka: hey, Iím a snot nosed kid in the room. Iím only 21,
Iíll be 22 in a few weeks in May.
Skip: and you got your captainís bars.
Lyka: Iím still a student captain.
Russ: and another gold-medal.
Russ: honorary gold-medal.
Lyka: yeah. Okay, ask away, talk to me.
Skip: talk to you.
Skip: Iíd like to talk to you.
Russ: howís the pregnancy coming along dear?
Lyka: oh, itís going fine.
Russ: ahh good. Any morning sickness yet?
Lyka: yeah, Iím just tired at the moment, I thought Iíd drop
Russ: well thank you love.
Russ: yeah, sheís pregnant.
Skip: she got married?
Lyka: yeah, I got bonded.
Russ: yeah, yeah.
Laura: you donít have to get married to get pregnant.
Skip: not really, no.
Lyka: no, not in our existence.
Skip: not in their society.
Lyka: the best way to describe it is, we are the flowers
that bloom so quickly and die so harshly.
Lyka: yeah, Iím an oath keeper..............................okay,
that killed the conversation.
(Laughter all around.)
Skip: you seem a little calmer now than you did before.
Lyka: put it this way, Iíve been munching on flowers.
well does explain that well.
has it been,
a year since I've talked to Lyka?
Lyka: oh, I donít think itís been that long, but time right
now is very slippery.
last time we talked I think that we were talking
about home defense.
Lyka: yeah, I remember, I remember that. Uh-huh, to explain,
I am an oath keeper, an oath keeper is somebody
that keeps the promises that Sirius made to sister worlds
and brother worlds.
Lyka: and basically what we go in is to help protect and to
if necessary die, lose this physical form, so that the oath
could be kept, the promise of protection.
Even if protection from one faction from another faction,
you know we will side whoever it is necessary so the balance
is maintained and the advancements can happen.
Skip: in other words, you keep the honor.
Lyka: uh-huh, we keep the oaths that we make which are very
Skip: yep, keep the honor.
Russ: now Lyka, have you been following this conversation
that weíve been having to this point?
Lyka: following what?
Russ: just checking dear. Lovely conversation on existential
dimensions, timelines and so on.
Russ: timelines, multiple timelinesÖ.
Lyka: oh that thingy.
Russ: and possibilities and rather interesting stuff.
Lyka: I would if my mind wasnít foggy.
Lyka: uh-huh. Itís a calming thing, Iím calm.
Russ: which color, blue?
Lyka: youíve seen me on the red ones.
Russ: yes, well the blue ones are.....
Russ: quite the calming.
Lyka: yes, nothing can hurt me, nothing complains me. You
can blow up a room next to me and Iíll sit here and go,
ďhmm, thatís nice.Ē
Russ: so you in touch with the baby at all?
Lyka: no, itís too small at the moment uh-huh.
Skip: how far along are you hon?
Lyka: it was conceived in January so that would mean.....
Russ: three months?
yeah, three months.
Russ: second trimester?
Laura: first, in the first.
Skip: okay, all right.
Lyka: cool, pretty colors.
Skip: anyhow, Iíve taken your advice.
Lyka: which one?
Skip: about home defense.
Lyka: ohh, yes.
Skip: put up a cement block wall in the back of my place.
Lyka: well thatís handy. You put whatís it? Stuff in
the ground that you dig up from the ground and against it
Skip: bombshell, trench?
Lyka: no, no. Comes from the trench.
Lyka: mud, dirt.
Russ: against the wall?
Lyka: uh-huh, gives it a little bit more support.
Russ: oh you mean like a mound.
Skip: oh, an embattlement, yeah.
Lyka: uh-huh. Palisade no, not palisade.
Skip: no, an embattlement.
Lyka: something like that.
Skip: yeah itís a mound that shoves up against the wall so
the wall canít be pushed over.
Russ: that way people can stand up on the wall and be taller
than the person on the other side.
Lyka: makes them easier targets.
Skip: yeah but you can make a landing on top of it so itís
just high enough so you can still crouch down behind the
Skip: rampart, embattlement, whatever. Thereís another word
for, I canít think of it, breastwork.
Lyka: there's so many different words. Fortification,
Skip: no, I havenít done that because I donít want to take
up my property.
Lyka: ahh, okay. OkayÖÖ
Skip: but we filled the wall full of cement.
Lyka: oh thatís handy. How thick?
Skip: itís 8 inches thick, itís got steel bars and cement in
the inside of it.
Skip: youíd have to run a vehicle into to break it.
Lyka: thatís good.
Russ: oh itís rebared out.
Skip: yeah Iíve got it rebared?
Lyka: uh-huh. Iím not always this mellow. (Speaking to
Skip: and then the foundation is 6 x 18 sitting on 12 x 18
Skip: so itís a heavy foundation.
Russ: well that should keep it up.
Skip: yeah, itíll stay there, it ainít coming down.
Russ: cool. Lyka, a little sword fighting for us tonight
Russ: want me to grab a couple swords and weíll go at it?
Russ: just kidding dear.
Russ: a little too mellow I think.
Lyka: uh-huh, think I better go.
Russ: have a good night Lyka, good seeing you again love.
Skip: yeah, same here, itís my pleasure for sure.
Laura: good night.
Skip: good night darliní.
side of the tape.)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: hello and off she wanders, lost in the bamboo.
Russ: that was entertaining.
Skip: just kind of drifted away huh?
Russ: thatís a side of Lyka I havenít seen in a while.
Skip: sheís real, realÖÖ
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Kiri gets side two off to a humorous start.)
Kiri: yes, Tiaís gone to find her. We can hear her crashing
around in the bamboo and allís we hear is ďokayĒ.
Laura: pretty colors.
Kiri: uh-huh, pretty colors. Apparently sheís talking to
some rose bushes right now.
Russ: when they start talking back to her thatÖ..
Kiri: no, she's having a full conversation with them
so I think they are. Okay, catch you guys later.
Russ: bye, thanks.
Skip: okay darliní.
(Treebeard is the next speaker.)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings, hmmm.
Skip: thatís what I thought.
Treebeard: hmm, I am still being of dwelling on
question from discussion of prior week. One moment, am
focusing on now.
Treebeard: I am being of
semi-focused, let us be of discussing.
Russ: excellent and any more thoughts on that question?
Treebeard: I am still pondering various possible outcomes
and ramifications of thought processes relating to therefore
Treebeard: Omal being of making of comment
of characters from a book and characters falling by wayside
and new ones being of replacing. Question being picking up
off your mind and relaying to Omal from ďLord of RingsĒ.
Treebeard: comments of being to Sam andÖ..
Treebeard: being correct.
Treebeard: that being of good analogy that Omal look for.
Russ: uh-huh, it is and another part of the analogy is that
those people who fell by the wayside eventually returned to
rejoin the story.
Treebeard: being of correct.
Russ: right which is an analogy of how our reality takes us
in the same way.
Treebeard: and being also of timelines weaving in and out
and re-merging and splitting off again.
Russ: hmmm. So is this why past lives that youíve lived with
other people are so much more intense than just the
familiarity of running into people from other timelines?
Treebeard: being of correct but being aspects of them within
Russ: hmmm. So does that make them temporary?
Treebeard: no, being of aspects in your
Treebeard: you being aspect in their timeline. Please, I am
just a Sirian, do not be of revering or of...
Russ: oh no, Iím just trying to figure it out, how that
works. For example, what would be a good example? Laura
okay? Laura and I perhaps have not met before in a past
Russ: but yet because it doesnít seem like we really connect
whereas Skip and I on the other hand for some reason connect
more even though we havenít been in a past life either. So
Laura feels familiar, Skip feels like an old friend, why the
Treebeard: are you being of sure that you have not been of
past lives before?
Laura: Iím not, could of been.
Russ: could of been, yeah, itís justÖ..
Laura: I mean we donít always have the same facial features
or whatever right in each one so......
Laura: I meanÖ..
Treebeard: not even being of same gender always.
Skip: and yet Laura and myself have been together before.
Laura: and I had the dťjŗ vu that he rescued me before in a
Treebeard: uh-huh. So maybe not of being here and may being
of great time since all three being woven together.......
Treebeard: many great time, long great time.
Russ: so not necessarily here on this planet?
Treebeard: being of correct assumption.
Russ: ahh I getÖÖ
Treebeard: possible correct assumption.
Russ: so while it could be that I donít remember
Russ: not as much as I remember Skip.
Laura: or you were not supposed to remember.
Russ: right or we didnít interact as much.
Laura: or there is nothing to be solved in this life between
me and you.
Russ: correct, I see, I see. But you and Skip on
the other hand do.
Russ: and me and Skip do.
Treebeard: so therefore being of following through on
assumptions, then there is being much to work out and for
Russ: because weíre all here together and weíre all working
together to learn at the same time, then we're
all you know following through on a past fellowship in
another time perhaps?
Skip: or itís something we did before.
Treebeard: a fellowship of ringÖ..rings.
Russ: didnít see that coming.
Treebeard: manipulation through mind and thought processes.
Skip: hmmm, because Iím back, I shouldnít be.
Laura: how come you shouldnít be?
Treebeard: are you being of sure that you shouldnít be?
Skip: well Iíve still got to learn something or I shouldnít
Laura: so you should be here.
Treebeard: that is being correct young lady. If you did not
have lesson to learn and you shouldnít be here, then that
would be an improbability but obviously something being
necessary of learning brings you back to this point so
therefore you have to be here.
Russ: you have to remember also, our lifetime here isnít all
that long on this planet comparatively.
Skip: no it isnít.
Russ: so what weíre accomplishing here is only something
that I guess weíve agreed upon it would only take us to the
end of our lifetimeÖÖthis is a longshot here butÖ.
Laura: I feel like Iíve been here forever.
Russ: but Iím grasping. But if it wasnít, weíd be in another
place with a longer timeline span right Treebeard?
Treebeard: being of possible outcome yes.
Russ: okay, hmmm. Yeah because we could all be
back on the same planet where Skip has the big trees.
Treebeard: hmmm, trees of great girth and wisdom being of
Russ: itís like a home, each tree is a home.
Skip: yeah, itís mine.
Treebeard: and you are its.
Treebeard: it is being of a symbiotic relationship. One
being part of the other but being separate but needed.
okay, with your life with plants.
Russ: plants donít do the same thing humans do they where
a plant will split off and have another aspect of itself
somewhere else unless the person who itís with breaks off
letís say. How does that work?
Treebeard: all things being of aspects, all being on
different aspects, all being.
Russ: so weíre all aspects?
Russ: whereís the real one of us?
Laura: real one?
Russ: real one of us.
Treebeard: define what is being of real.
Russ: ahh well thereís the question.
Skip: that would be the challenge.
Russ: right, so weíre an aspect of an aspect of an aspect
of an aspect.
Laura: which is the real? And each is the real one.
Russ: all right. Now would that be the superconscious now?
Treebeard: super consciousness being present in all but
for each aspect.
Russ: right, now would that be the real one of us and
weíre aspects of the super consciousness?
Treebeard: you are being real, I am being real, you are
being real, you are being real, the feline is being real.
The superconscious of all being real for that timeline. On
each timeline it is being real and each being having of
Russ: okay, so each aspect is real?
Treebeard: hasty word for something so more important.
Russ: well I agree.
Treebeard: why you have such important word but so small?
Russ: I donít know.
Russ: I donít even know what its root is.
Treebeard: yes being of great importance.
Russ: yeah, very much so. Maybe thatís why itís so short
is because we want to keep it simple.
Treebeard: but it being of great importance, Iím not
understanding of why.
Russ: well if it was a big long word, it would be a
complicated, like reality is.
Laura: comes from real.
Russ: yeah whereas if we just say itís real, therefore
weíre simplifying and the whole entire experience that
we're discussing and not taking into account the vast
possible number of aspects and changes that surround us.
We ignore that and just focus on what is simple and easily
Treebeard: so hasty, it is being hard of comprehension for
Skip: well not only that but by using a simple, short
word, everybody understands it.
Treebeard: hmmm, but it being of so great importance. For
people of great importance for example being of his
holiness theÖÖÖIím trying to pick on thoughts for the
Pope. How would you describe his full title? He is his
Russ: Pope Paul the....
Laura: John Paul.
Treebeard: the Vicar of Christ Church on earth, Pope John
Paul II. Someone of such great importance having such
great, grandiose name I understand but something even more
of being importance yes, so small.
Skip: okay Treebeard, okayÖÖthe only way that it makes
sense to me and this is my personal concept of it, is by
using the small word even with the great importance of it,
even uneducated people of our world understand the word
Skip: whether they can read, write or not, they understand
Laura: and itís not really the word is it? Itís the
meaning of the word.
Skip: yeah but they understand. When you say something is
real, they understand it.
Laura: yeah but Treebeardís saying such an important
word's so small, itís really not the word that matters or
how many letters it is, what matters is the meaning it
Russ: well what about truth?
Skip: truth is a small word.
Russ: yeah it means vast amounts.
Treebeard: uh-huh, seeÖ.
Laura: but itís a reallyÖ..what matters how itís spelled
and whatever how you say it, itís the meaning in the word.
Skip: yeah but what I was trying to get at is the meaning
of it, even for the uneducated, they understand this okay?
By being such a small word, even with the magnificent
applications of it.
Russ: yeah if we were to call real, the perception of the
events that encompass our environment that we call our
world is the word we use for real, you know weíd be
forever trying to discuss it.
Laura: and the meaning would still be the same.
Treebeard: hmmm, I will have to being of dwelling on this
later but after I have being finished on matter we being
of discussing last week.
Russ: uh-huh, okay good.
Treebeard: it is lesson for me being to understand but
understanding important. So much to being for
understanding but time being so little, it is hard and
difficult for the growth necessary to learn what is
necessary. It is like being of Omal saying that if you
were to take timelines and combine them all being
together, analogy you understand is you are the center
wire in a huge cable.
Treebeard: but huge cable so big it is being
un-perceivable on size, it being of infinite size.
Russ: hmmm, we canít grasp the immensity of our
environment through the perception that we call reality
because weíre living it.
Treebeard: best way of saying is you cannot see the woods
for the treeÖtrees.
Laura: yeah, uh-huh.
Russ; good point, good point.
Skip: yeah, that's it exactly, good example.
Treebeard: question? Being of stealth aircraft in crashing
to forest, would anyone being of hearing it if no one
Skip: in other words, would make a noise if nobody was
there to hear it.
Skip: itís the sameÖÖ
Russ: it was an attempt at humor, that was very good
Skip: yes it is, it is a very good example. Itís the same
with having a landslide, would anybody hear it if nobody
was there? Would it make a noise if nobody was there?
Skip: not to our ears.
Laura: it still would make a noise, it's just that we
wouldn't hear it.
Skip: how do you know it would make a noise if you wasnít
there to hear it?
Laura: because itís logical.
Skip: no, it isn't logical.
Laura: for me it is.
Skip: okay alright, I'll go along with that, I'll go along
with that. But youíre right Treebeard......
Skip: that has been an example for many, many years.
Treebeard: it is a perception on what reality is. If you
being of perceiving what is, then it is so but not being
perceiving of what is, then it isnít.
Russ: now Treebeard, hereís a question for you Iíve always
had trouble with.
Russ: our dťjŗ vu, or what we call dťjŗ vu, always occurs
from a dream state that we then relive in a physical
awareness or perception. Now because of that, is the dream
state that we are experiencing that we will live later on,
an actual traveling through some of the various timelines
and visiting aspects of ourselves and various other
environments that we relive at maybe perhaps some other
time because all things are possible?
Treebeard: being you of open and easy to being of probing,
I would answer clearly what you are saying by not saying.
Best way of saying is that mental waves from other aspects
of yourself being close, even in the same proximity but in
parallel universes being transmitting the information you
Russ: oh so weíre not going there, theyíre merely thinking
and weíre picking up the thoughts.
Treebeard: being of correct. Normally when feeling of same
same visit before happen, it is of place that is striking
you as beautiful and strong emotional output is being
exerted. You are being picking up of that event. So when
you have feeling of strong emotional output, a real of you
in another parallel timeline is picking up feeling of dťjŗ
vu later on.
Russ: wait a minute, I think I grasped that but Iím not
Skip: go ahead.
Russ: so when IÖ..I canít be right because if I had a
dream letís say five years ago and suddenly I come in to a
situation where that dream is relived in every exact, same
Russ: well just a portion of the dream.
Russ: maybe all of 30 seconds, how is the thoughts of
someone on another aspect influence that dream state of
five years ago?
Treebeard: because being of all possible outcomes having
happened, those outcomes also similar ones occur in your
present timeline. So actions in another timeline of being
earlier, something happening or supposedly being happening
earlier, that did not happen in your timeline that has to
happen in another timeline occurs so therefore transmittal
happens because of great emotional stress and then is
picked up in the dream state when it is meant to happen in
your timeline. All timelines not happening in same
Russ: yeah but five years apart?
Skip: time has no matter.
Laura: no, yeah.
Russ: thatís true.
Treebeard: uh-huh, being of example, take Susie. (From
Treebeard: okay being of nine years now?
Russ: uh-huh or longer, ten.
Treebeard: okay, being of moving.
Treebeard: okay, supposing you and being of Susie together
and Susie being supposedly in timeline that you two still
together has child five years ago.
Treebeard: then the great emotional joy would create a
connection with a near timeline of you where it would be
dream't and then another person replacing that in the
future will take place.
Russ: so we create the dťjŗ vu?
Treebeard: correct but in different timeline.
Russ: so we make it fit to our particular environment and
itís really just an emotional feeling that we paint and
fill in the blanks.
Treebeard: being of correct.
Russ: being of weird.
Treebeard: hmm, weird.
Treebeard: definition of weird?
Russ: hard to comprehend.
Laura: strange, illogical in ways.
Skip: many definitions Treebeard.
Treebeard: all inaccurate for word. Having being of
discussion with Mark and I ask what is weird, he give
correct answer. Anyone being of knowing where word come
Russ: weird, isn't it from the Celtic ability of usingÖno?
Treebeard: inaccurate information. It being of Saxon.
Russ: ohh Saxon.
Treebeard: weird meaning good, positive.
Treebeard: I being of trying to recall what Mark give
explanation for. I be of different thought processes when
he mentioned. I be dwelling on question that I wouldíve
been answering tonight however too many arrived so I being
therefore of brushing aside and not paying attention as I
should. Wishing of I have.
Russ: hmm, no problem but youíve answered some very
Laura: oh yeah oh yeah.
Skip: yeah definitely.
Russ: itíll take me a while to grasp but I canít wait to
get it on the webpage.
Treebeard: I being of honored to be able to in some small
way aid in learning. It is my honor.
Russ: no small way though, thatís for sure.
Treebeard: I am being of greatly honored. It is small way
that I may be able to shed light in best way possible for
Russ: Iíve asked this question to many people including
Omal but no nobodyís given that answer in that way that
made me understand it that well.
Treebeard: well being of gift that I be of having, it is
easier for me to pick what is being said when not being
Treebeard: okay I be one more?
Treebeard: question of asking.
Russ: Iím good myself, Iíve got to dwell on this for a
Laura: I think Iím done as well.
Russ: thank you Treebeard.
Laura: yes, thank you Treebeard.
Skip: thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you are being of welcome. May your lives be
filled with light and it has been an honor and a pleasure.
Laura: thank you.
to make the transition between speakers.)
Russ: well thatís why itís so perfect, every detail of the
dream is that we created.
Laura: yeah this dream thing, it struck something.
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hi, hi, hi again. Uh-huh, Tia was going to be
present but at the moment she is taking care of Lyka.
Russ: no problem, priorities.
Russ: Tiaís taking care of Lyka whose wandering through
Laura: she's talking to the roses.
Russ: asking the grass how itís growing.
Kiri: (Starts singing.) I talk to the trees but they don't
listen me. I talk to the trees....
Skip: you better lay off them flowers.
Kiri: hey, I havenít been munching flowers buddy. Iím just
poking fun at Lyka. OkayÖ..
Skip: all right.
Kiri: (taps her fingers.) yes?
Skip: are you the one that I ask about guides?
Kiri: well you can try.
Skip: thanks a lot.
Skip: I was just wondering if my guide has made it yet.
Kiri: yeah, heís learning at the moment.
Skip: sorry that he had to check out.
Kiri: I think he was glad actually.
Kiri: think he was glad.
Skip: well that could be too because thatís kinda tough.
Kiri: uh-huh, having seen firsthand somebody pass away
like that, itís very, very hard.
Skip: it is tough.
Kiri: very, very hard, very painful.
Skip: but heís learning at the moment huh?
Kiri: reviewing and learning before he helps.
Skip: oh sure, sure, I understand that.
Kiri: okay, may take a while longer.
Kiri: my grandmother said that it would take a little bit
Laura: I have a question.
Laura: since we're talking about guides, is it possible
that some people go through an incarnation without having
a guide to guide them or that there is just a guide for a
specific time period thatís there and then lose contact or
Kiri: unfortunately there are occasions where guides
totally are devoid.
Kiri: because of poor timing or something happens that
throws the timing all out.
Laura: because what I thought is the reason for not having
a guide present is that maybe we need to go through a self
experience of ourselves meaning......
Kiri: that is....
Laura: there is no assistance.
Kiri: I apologize for interrupting but yes, that does
happen as well. That there are times where an individual
for whole entire lifetime wonít have a guide and
unfortunately that is you know poor timing. Itís one of
those things that everybody will experience in one life.
Kiri: that life without a guide or any guide.
Laura: so there also is a guide that just guides you
through a specific period of life?
Kiri: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Laura: okay then.
Kiri: once its job is done it moves on.
Laura: thatís what it seems like for me.
Kiri: ahhhÖ.weeeeee. Iím just poking fun. Sheís just
wandered by and Tiaís in hot pursuit. You should see it,
itís funny. And our little Durondedunn tiger cat is very
agile but she keeps on getting eluded. AnywayÖ..
Laura: I have another question, Iím sorry.
Laura: so which is the best way for us to get in contact
with our guide?
Kiri: through meditation and relaxation.
Laura: I tried that but it wouldnít work. Itís like my
guide told me this exercise to do in order get in contact
Laura: but somehow it just wouldnít work and every time I
tried to get in contact with her, she seemed to appear
through other people.
Kiri: uh-huh, maybe the timeís not ready yet for you to
make that contact.
Kiri: yeah, sheís there. She is there, itís just a matter
of being ready.
Kiri: if you remember, she said when you are ready.
Laura: of course she did, yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, when you are ready.
Kiri: okay, Iím going to put on the last speaker. We may
have one more speaker if we can catch up and subdue the
elusive, doped up Lyka. Hopefully sheíll find a corner and
curl up and then weíll have her.
(Karra ends the night and the tape.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hey, hey.
Russ: how you doing tonight love?
Karra: Iím doing good, tired but Iím doing good.
Karra: okay, learning patterns. Okay, itís something
that you can all use but weíre going to start off with
for the obvious reason with infants. Okay, now a
learning pattern designed for an infant to stimulate
maximum mental growth and spiritual growth. All the
coochie-coochie coos are fine. ďWhoís a good, strong
baby?Ē is always fine. ďWhoís a beautiful baby?Ē always
fine but, you must also talk to the child as an adult
using words that are adult words. This has a twofold
effect. One effect is the fact that youíre treating a
child like a child but youíre also giving the
opportunity to learn and to advance the mind of a child
at a much rapid rate, much more rapid rate. So when you
do the ďcoochie-coochie coo, whoís a beautiful baby?Ē,
you can always add in ďand you will grow up to be a
smart and intelligent person.Ē So in one sentence you
are talking to the child in a rather silly way but in
the next, you are giving it a compliment and using words
that later on will increase its vocabulary. The
stimulation of the mind is very, very important. Putting
a child down in front of a entertainment device is not
good. Sitting with the child in front of the
communication device is also not goodÖÖentertainment
device, sorry. If you sit the child in front of a
educational entertainment, then it must be explained to
the child afterwards and must be followed through on to
increase the childís mental development. Parents that
sit their child in front of the entertainment device and
leave them to their own devices are very remiss in their
duties as parents. It is better to sit down and read
from a book to a child then it is to leave them
unintended in front of the entertainment device. That
causes problems later on and gives them difficulties in
perceptions of what is fact and what is fantasy. Okay
now, when the child starts to talk, it is important to
correct the child so that the child speaks crisply and
clearly and eloquently. You give the child key words
that are hard for the childís mouth to form but by
copying and practicing that key word or key words, the
childís mouth will be able to enunciate those words more
correctly. For example, enunciate is one word that is
very useful to help to explain or to manipulate the
childís mouth and pallet to be able to formulate higher
words. That when you give the child these words that
they learn and they repeat them until they have them
down, the next thing is to get them to use it in a
sentence where it is understood. The earlier that you
start, the more advancement will happen with the child.
Now as you stimulate the childís mind, you must
stimulate it in all capacities. Now with the mental
development, there also comes an enlightened
consciousness which will lead to the spiritual
development. Now let us address the spiritual
development which my sister and myself and a few others
have been aiding in. At an early age, the child should
have a quiet time where the child sits still and thinks
and dwells within itself. To start off with, five
minutes is more than adequate but as a child gets older
and the development continues, then the child's
spiritual growth needs to be addressed with longer
increments of time where that is able and capable to
facilitate that spiritual growth. Now, if youíre working
with key skills, for example let us say your child is a
healer, then there is a time where you start to teach
the child the capability of the hands and that by
touching somebody in an appropriate way and generating
appropriate feeling can create a euphoric and a healing
process. But you must explain continuously with all the
subjects that weíve covered, the mental, the spiritual
and the gift departments, what is happening so that you
have to explain and be prepared to repeat it many, many
times until the child understands. Now, as the child
learns, you revisit earlier levels to see if the child
has learned it properly and correctly. Now if there are
difficulties with members of the parental group that are
causing problems in these, then they must be dealt with
unfortunately very harshly because what they are doing
is they are stopping the mental, physical and spiritual
growth of the child which is important to be able to
facilitate the maximum potential that that child has. If
for example one person of a parental unit or parental
group thinks that itís appropriate for the child to sit
down in front of a entertainment device, then that must
be addressed. If necessary, the entertainment device
must be withdrawn even if it causes friction for the
development of the childís mind. A child would advance
much more rapidly if it has more stimulation then
something coming from a tube placed in front of it. That
is very important and very necessary for the childís
growth that it has as much stimulation as possible from
a source that is controlled and is designed to
facilitate the mental growth. Any questions?
Russ: hmm, now what about stuff for example educational
material at a later age?
Karra: I said that it when we covered that briefly that
it is necessary to explain what is going on and to learn
or to test the child to see what the child has learned.
Russ: I grew up in an age of TV where TV was like a
Karra: yes, uh-huh.
Russ: and I got a lot of TV.
Skip: but see, I grew up without TV.
Laura: horrible thought.
Skip: no my entertainment was radio.
Karra: uh-huh but you did other things whilst you were
listening to the radio.
Skip: you can do lots of things while listening to the
Karra: uh-huh but with the picture entertainment, you
sit there and look at it and everything else around
becomes irrelevant, is that correct?
Skip: yeah thatís right.
Karra: so therefore it is a negative for the advancement
of the mind. Itís great to be able to sit down and watch
it for entertainment purposes and know that itís
entertainment but to take it as gospel is wrong. Just as
my point of view is my point of view, the television
projects somebody else's point of view which may not be
Russ: uh-huh, yeah true. Howard stern...oww...I
Karra: uh-huh. So you see what Iím saying?
Karra: it is important that the entertainment device if
necessary is withdrawn if the child spends too much time
being placed in front of it.
Russ: hmm, so a childís room should definitely have zero
Russ: thatís easy to arrange.
Karra: uh-huh. And if one member of the parental group
countermands that or places the child where there is an
entertainment device, then the entertainment device must
be removed. There is certainly yes, a time where you can
put the child down to watch entertainment and explain
that it is entertainment and itís not real.
Kiri: and that it is entertainment only. But if it
becomes a babysitter, then it must be removed and the
job of both parents is to parent the child. To be there
for the child, to read to the child, to do whatever is
necessary. Now later on we will come up with a very
strict learning structure which is very Sirian but has
been heavily modified. The basic parameters are very
Sirian, some of them are quite austere but theyíre all
designed for the advancement of the mind, the body and
Russ: now do these things need to be taken at an infant
level or can anybody do them?
Karra: yes, they start at infant level but some people
with infantile minds may benefit.
Karra: I know.
Karra: Iím just in that mode tonight Russ.
Russ: I understand.
Skip: thank you.
Karra: oh no problem. Hey, ask away, ask questions.
Russ: howís the ambassadorial duties doing right now?
Anybody in town?
Karra: yes Iíve got a few in town. Iíve got a couple of
dignitaries from the ski council that are present.
Russ: hmm, how did that idea work about awarding people
with getting to stay in the ambassadorial quarters? Took
a dive, huh?
Karra: took a dive. First of all they took advantage of
it and thenÖ.
Russ: what, they had a big party?
Russ: ďparty at the ambassadorial place man yeah.Ē
Karra: it was kind of like that. It wasnít as wild but
certainly some furniture was broken in over-exuberance.
Russ: ahh well it was an
excellent idea but will have to be put on the back
burner for a while.
Karra: uh-huh, it worked briefly. Next time I decide
to do something like that, what I will do is I will
have a platoon of oath keepers.
Russ: good idea.
Karra: uh-huh okay, letís get relaxed and lightly.
Karra: okay, letís talk about whatever. HealingÖ..
Skip: how do you heal yourself?
Karra: supposedly, and I'm not very good at it at the
moment, stress is a problem that causes difficulty
with healing. If you have too much stress in your
life, your body healing capacity becomes suppressed,
I know firsthand. First of all, it depends on what
needs healing. Let us say a twisted ankle. There are
standard things that you can do such as ice, elevating
it, taking weight off of it and not letting the stress
of walking on it be so. So in another words, minimum
walking. You can put ice on it to bring down the
swelling, elevating it will also help but to speed up
the process, you have to have the belief that you can
heal it. By Ēit will get better, it will be stronger.Ē
Repeating positive thoughts that it will heal, it will
be better and treating it as if it was an appendage
belonging to somebody else that youíre healing. For
example, Skip, how would you heal letís say Lauraís
Skip: well, lay hands on it and send the energy, my
healing energy into it.
Karra: uh-huh. Whatís to stop you from doing that to
Skip: I've never given it a thought that way.
Karra: uh-huh. Healer, heal thyself, the bane of my
life. But, all jokes aside, yes it can be done if you
treat it as an appendage belonging to somebody else.
Laura: so why does it seem easier for us to help
others than to help ourselves?
Karra: because you are expecting yourself to heal
yourself faster and quickly and it doesn't so
therefore it seems longer. Hmm, I see I
didnít answer the question properly. Because you are
healing yourself and using your energies, you expect a
faster healing process. But, itís the same healing time
as if youíre healing somebody else but because youíre
healing yourself and you perceive that it doesnít have
so far to go, so thereforeÖÖ
THE TAPE ENDS
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