(Tia starts a temporarily short-staffed channeling
Russ: well ring mistress.........
Russ: what’s the schedule of events here?
Tia: well, we have…..at the moment there’s just Kiri
and myself, everybody else has been a little bit on
the slow poke getting here.
Russ: a bit unusual for everybody.
Tia: hmm, it is. Okay.....okay, we have one person
Russ: of course.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, fire away.
Russ: all right this evening, now that Omal’s
Russ: I can go over what my schedule of events is.
Russ: one of them, anyway.
(Tia gives us a little circus ditty)
Russ: okay......just working on……..we worked on a
past timeline of the human race up to I believe it
was the Roman periods.
Russ: what I would like to do tonight if possible is
get started in on a future timeline…….
Russ: of probable futures.
Tia: uh-huh. Now then, before I forget, regression
Russ: uh-huh, you being regressed that is?
Tia: yes, you want to try?
Russ: I’m always willing to try whenever you want
Tia: oohhhh promises. Yes, anyway, future timelines.
Certainly, we will let Omal handle that of course.
Russ: of course.
Russ: but being as you work closely with him on some
of this stuff, you might want to stick around and
add some input as......
Tia: of course, of course. Yes?
Russ: okay, some of this is going to be leading to
the one answer that we're talking about earlier
Russ: and also on the other side of that, we’re
going to be looking at the no answer side.
Russ: and this way by establishing a timeline, we
can watch the timeline as it goes down and can look
for key points that will signal in one side or the
other which way the timeline’s going to go.
Tia: okay, I think we better put on………
(Giggling ensues which leaves Tia speechless)
Russ: great tape.....(Russ sighs)
(Tia then explodes into uncontrollable giggles due
to some outside forces at work)
(Omal begins a more serious
discussion that ends the side)
(Russ starts laughing out loud)
Russ: greetings and felicitations Omal.
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: how are you functioning?
Omal: I am functioning fine however, you owe me, how
many press ups?
Russ: oh, forty.
Russ: hold on. If I don’t do it now, we won’t get it
Russ: can you pause tape for a second, it’s going to
take a while?
(the tape is paused as both Russ and Omal knock out
Omal: that in itself is a lesson in higher
consciousness, what occurred?
Russ: okay, taking it down from its root basics, I’m
out of shape……..but consciousness wise, controlling
your mind enough to where you can block out the pain
or the tiredness.
Omal: that is irrelevant, you’re missing the point
totally. How many was the original number?
Omal: no, tonight.
Omal: how many did you do?
Omal: how many did I do for you?
Omal: no, I did fourteen.
Russ: oh yeah, right.
Omal: fourteen and twenty-six is forty.
Russ: oh yes.
Russ: so you could share my burden?
Omal: correct, that is a lesson.
Russ: well thank you, if you had not pointed it out,
I would’ve missed it completely.
Omal: you’re welcome. You did the original twenty
plus six extra and I did the remaining fourteen for
Russ: yeah, you did the hard ones, my only six were
the hard ones.
Omal: but it was shared, you would have never made
Russ: I would’ve, I would’ve done it after we got
through with this and gone back to the twenty.
Omal: correct but there is a lesson there. Sharing
the burden is what?
Russ: part of the leadership.
Omal: also, the lesson is that on a higher
consciousness you must understand and show that you
too can feel the pain, feel the burn in the arms in
the shoulder and also, it looks pretty good when you
do it, even if I do say so myself.
(Russ breaks out laughing)
Russ: well that’s true, for once I wish we had a
video camera handy.
Omal: yes, hand and eye coordination. Not only did I
do the first ten, I did the next four clapping.
Russ: yep. It kind of reminds me of that night we
went out camping. We were sitting there and you
stand up, you look up into the stars and spot Taal’s
ship going across, point out some constellations.
Omal: I will let you in on a secret.
Omal: Taal’s ship passing was prearranged.
Russ: oh, is that what it was? Well, I thought it
might be something like that, how else could you
have known it was Taal’s ship?
Omal: exactly. He had actually circled and came back
but that is irrelevant.
Omal: but to share the pain and the suffering is not
only an example of leadership, it is an example of
sharing the energy.
Russ: well that’s something you get from experience,
from wisdom of getting through many years of
leadership and working with people and guiding
Russ: I mean that’s something that you can tell me
twenty times, and I’ll probably forget all twenty,
well maybe nineteen and remember that last one where
it actually kicks in.
Omal: no, you will remember this.
Russ: true, the sight demonstration was better than
Omal: correct, that is why it was done. Okay, let us
answer your questions.
Russ: okay. Well, I’ve got a few to go with but like
I was telling Tia, I want to start off with a
timeline of coming up on future events.
Russ: now of course, the future is mutable and
always the possibilities are that it won’t stay the
way it is. That’s why I want to be able to have some
key events to look at.
Omal: giving the key is events does not work for the
simple reason……..let us lay it out this way.
Omal: you start off with civil unrest.
Omal: you start off with financial problems.
Omal: you start off with large-scale civil unrest.
Now, if we take the first one, civil unrest on a
minor scale, such as rioting in Los Angeles or in
Indianapolis, what will happen is for certain that
it will spread.
Omal: that is certain.
Russ: the reason being that people see it as okay.
Omal: correct. But, here comes the problem, it could
be remedied by numerous means and therefore the next
events do not occur. What is one of the reasons for
Russ: rioting is sparked first off by
disillusionment with what's going on in the
environment around you, combined with what you
perceive as authority figures taking liberties that
you feel are not within their rights.
Omal: correct, so you remedy this which in turn
keeps people happy, which makes them more
productive, so the stock market crash does not
Omal: so you can have only one signpost that you can
Omal: and that is the one that we had mentioned. The
rest are uncertain due to the fact that they are
projections are ranging from 75% possibility to 85%
Omal: so therefore there is that 25% to 15% margin
Russ: I see.
Omal: so ergo, giving you pointers to look for along
the way is all fine in words but if they do not
happen, that is because the initial symptoms have
been dealt with and cured.
Omal: conversely, if they do happen, it decreases
the chances of the other ones following happening.
Omal: if they are not addressed, let us take a
theoretical timeline with civil unrest which has
occurred or is occurring, followed by a financial
boon followed by a financial bust.
Russ: and that’s all occurred.
Omal: the boom is occurring. Whether or not it busts
is irrelevant at this point.
Russ: I thought that bust we had just little while
Omal: oh, that is minor compared to what is coming.
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: that is just a small dip in the spike.
Omal: you have the financial bust.
Omal: you have in large civil unrest directed at the
central governments breaking down into areas such as
Los Angeles rioting against their authority figures,
which in turn puts a stress on the food chain, which
in turn puts more stress on the people which makes
them riot even more. These are key factors that we
can speculate on but I myself personally would not
put them in a timeline due to the fact that they are
possibilities. A timeline is designed to look at the
past to analyze the future remembering that certain
factors occur in a cycle. Not a necessarily precise
cycle but in a cycle that is noticeable. For
example, 1892, there is civil unrest in the Balkan
states. Fighting occurs, people are killed, it’s
quiet once again. 1898, It flares up again, it
continues for a couple of years and then fades away.
1912, it flares up again in the Balkan states,
culminating in 1914 with the assassination of
Archduke Ferdinand, son of the Austrian Hungarian
Emperor. Austria invades the Balkan states, Germany
comes out in sympathy of Austria. For the Balkan
states, in sympathy comes out Russia, France, and
the United Kingdom. What do you have?.
Russ: World War One.
Omal: look at what is happening at present.
Russ: troubles in the Balkan States.
Omal: correct. So you see what I’m saying is that
these cycles may be spread out over a hundred years
or one hundred and fifty, that is irrelevant. In the
timescale of things that is very insignificant, the
length of time that is. So therefore, it is
necessary to look more closely and to see what was
happening elsewhere in the world that led up to this
problem. In 1892, there was a small financial
depression in your country. 1902 I believe, there
was another one, larger, but not as bad. Again there
was another one in 1929, very large, affected the
whole entire world. So what do you see?
Russ: that the problems in the financial area
happened between those times where unrest in the
Balkan States except for the first one.
Omal: correct, but it is a curve, one precursors the
Omal: you have financial unrest in one place in the
world and a country that invests on a large-scale
tends to lead to withdrawing of money from the areas
that are having difficulties such as the Balkans.
Another example, the Chechen rebellion, that is not
the first time that that has happened….
Omal: it has been suppressed for many years and it
was kept quiet over an incident that happened in the
late 50s. But you see what happened? There was a
financial plummet in the mid-50s, not very big, but
it was enough to cause a nasty jolt.
Russ: so the war essentially happened and then the
drop in the financial market happened afterwards.
Omal: not necessarily. It happens that way yes, but
it can also happen another way. But you see what I’m
saying about it being very difficult to draw a
timeline into the future.
Omal: because there are too many variable factors.
You can take events that occurred in the past, work
out mathematically the distance between each event
over a long period of time if you take from the
foundation of your country until the present day and
work out every financial fluctuation that has been
termed a depression, you will come up with a cycle.
You will be able to estimate within approximately
three years the chances of the stock market failing.
Again, if you take a timeline and work out a
particular area where there is civil unrest, again
you will be able to predict when that civil unrest
will happen again with an error of plus or minus
Russ: okay, so we only discussed two basic problems
that would precur this collapse, civil unrest….
Russ: financial, isn’t there more?
Omal: yes there is. There is a Vulcanicity, which is
a very much harder way of predicting what will
Russ: it must be just more of a random factor.
Omal: no, it is not so much random, it is the fact
that the periods of time are so long. For example,
just down the road what do you have?
Russ: we’ve got Mammoth.
Omal: correct. When was the last time that that
Russ: 10,000 years ago.
Omal: so 10,000 years is not is not a very long time
in geologic scales.
Russ: uh-huh no, a blink of an eye.
Omal: correct. But, if you look at more recent
events, take for example…..
Russ: Mount Saint Helens?
Omal: correct. Excuse me, I will have to talk with
her about that.
(Russ bursts out in laughter)
(Ed. note: he's referring to Karra feeding me the
Omal: but if you take the events of those occurring,
then you can work out the occurrence of the activity
of those volcanoes. Now, if you combine those three
factors together, you can come up with a very rough
prediction on what will happen. However, you have to
factor in other factors and work out similar
timelines and see how the spikes occur in reference
to each other.
Russ: what about climatic changes? Wouldn’t that
occur less than the vulcanism does?
Omal: that is also another factor. However, the
reverse is true if you’re referring to somewhere
like the Mammoth Mountain.
Omal: you also have to factor in seismic activity.
Russ: well the two are connected only because Mount
Saint Helens going off creates so many clouds in the
air that it cools down the planet temporarily…
Russ: for delaying the global warming affect.
Omal: I wouldn’t worry too much about global
warming, have you seen any evidence of that?
Russ: currently yes, as a matter of fact. I mean
heat waves in Chicago, New York, killing people, 400
at last count. It's something I haven’t seen happen
in my poor 35 years of living on this planet.
Omal: that is something you have to factor into your
Russ: that’s what I’m talking about, climatic
conditions changing and causing drought problems
affecting agricultural growth cycles.
Omal: uh-huh. Here is little bit of information for
you, overall, your planet’s temperature in the last
10,000 years has dropped three degrees.
Omal: that is a very large drop.
Russ: well, what could account for this warming
period we’re having? Is that just a fluke then?
Omal: it could be a normal fluctuation. You have to
remember there are such things as fluctuations. To
get an accurate record, you would have to access
somewhere where there is a record of what occurs on
the amount of rainfall for a given period of time.
You have to access records that would tell you how
much growth occurred.
Omal: where can you do that?
Russ: Hades Base.
Omal: there is somewhere much easier that you can do
that. Instead of spending hours sitting down at the
computer, you can do it much more easily.
Russ: where? Ground sample?
Omal: would you get me a piece of wood, please?
Russ: sure, got one right here.
Omal: there, look at the end, what you see?
Omal: there is your answer.
Russ: ahh, I see.
Omal: the more thick the rings are the more growth,
ergo more liquid. The thinner the rings, the less
growth. Ergo, either a very long winter or a very
long summer where there was not very much in the way
of precipitation. So therefore, what can you
conclude from all these factors being put together?
Russ: you can calculate the cycles of drought and
rainfall to a pretty accurate degree with for any
area you happen to be residing.
Omal: with all the information.
Russ: oh, put it all together?
Omal: put it all together.
Russ: then you can establish a very accurate
prediction with…..well, you’ve got a plus or minus
factor of errors, but when you can expect the next
drought, how that’s going to affect the agricultural
scene, where the problems are going to be coming
because of that......
Russ: and know that your economic and social changes
will happen because of that.
Omal: correct. Now, how can you predict for a
large-scale area? For example, the continental
United States of America? It is no good going out
there and counting the rings on that tree out there.
That will only tell you what that tree has suffered.
Russ: well, it’s just the same thing though on a
Omal: correct, you go instead of selecting one tree
in each area, because one area here at the lake may
have a large quantity of precipitation and yet just
over on the other side of those hills there, there
may be a drought or over the hills there. So you
have to pick a certain sample of area and you take
samples in that area, and you move on to……..let’s
say you do in each state, five sample areas.
Omal: and you move on to the next state, which means
what, apart from a lot of footwork which would be
good for those leg muscles of yours?
Russ: well, you’d get an accurate description of
Omal: it is also a lot of paperwork.
Russ: well you could do it all on computer through
Russ: because all of this stuff has already been
Russ: all you have to do is access the information.
Omal: pull up the information, correlate it….
Russ: I mean, you can check any almanac and it goes
back hundreds of years for the entire country.
Omal: hundreds of years is but a blink of an eye.
You have to go back further to factor that in to
find out the cycle.
Russ: they’ve done that too though.
Omal: yes, you have to go back thousands of years to
factor in the cycle. Then you start the
industrialization period of your country from 16,
whatever it was 41?
Omal: until the present day. Economic growth,
agricultural and so on for that particular area.
Further counting in religious trends within those
Russ: why religious trends?
Omal: religious trends play a very important part in
what is happening. For example, you take an area
where the ethic is religion.
Russ: the Bible Belt?
Omal: the Bible Belt, exactly. What is one of the
key factors that the Bible Belt is recognized for?
Omal: and very hard-working.
Russ: oh yes, of course.
Omal: so you have factor in that and how much they
endure and suffer. Factor that in with a libertarian
period, such as what is occurring at the moment, and
compare that with other events in the past. Again
you have to go to individual areas.
Russ: right. Okay, now what I’m getting to in all
this is where is it lead up to as far as coming up
with a solution that’s phase one. Phase two is
deciding whether a solution is even needed due to
the fact that if this was not to happen, the lessons
to be learned by the population of the world due to
an imminent collapse would be delayed.
Omal: not necessarily, it could be that you are on
the right path at present, there again you may not
Russ: well yeah, there is no way to determine that
unless of course you were to be able to take things
that are happening on a worldwide scale, or at least
even on a continental scale and determine if for
example those things are something you could have an
effect on and make work to the advantage that you
Omal: it is useful work to do. Whether or not it
occurs does not matter because it could be one of
the factors that is splitting off so therefore it
would be in more than one timeline, more than likely
it will be in more than one timeline.
Russ: that’s true.
Omal: it is necessary to have the information,
whether it is necessary or not. In one timeline it
is not and in another it is.
Russ: let’s take an example……
Omal: when that occurrence occurs, you take that
information with you into that timeline. One
timeline you need it, one timeline you don’t.
Omal: the question is to perceive it as necessary
work, whether or not it is irrelevant is besides the
Russ; the fact that you did it.
Omal: that you have learned.
Russ: right. Okay, I want to take an example, let’s
say I was to get the constant energy machine going….
Russ: the perpetual energy unquote machine to where
we always have free, unlimited power. And let’s say
I invent that and it goes worldwide. Creates an
economic boom, an energy rich society that isn’t
dependent on fossil fuels or nuclear energies and
people’s work ethic goes up because they don’t have
to pay as much for things and they can spend it on
other things now instead of expensive stuff like
energy. Taxes would go down and the world becomes a
wonderfully, beautiful place.
Russ: or, on the reverse side of that, let’s say I
invent that, it goes out and let’s say the military
takes complete control of it and uses it strictly
for their own use and restricts its use anywhere.
Russ: therefore creating a….
Omal: feeling of resentment.
Russ: right, feeling of resentment plus a new kind
of nuclear threat let’s say that wasn’t there
previous to this because it’s not nuclear so they
can destroy large cities or something without having
to have all the radioactive waste afterwards.
Russ: so it’s the……
Omal: yes, that is….
Russ: the Cold War all over again.
Omal: those are two examples of possible avenues
that could occur. It is necessary……..excuse me for
one second please.
Omal: that is better.
Omal: it is necessary to analyze all possibilities.
Your example of a perpetual energy machine is but
one key that could occur or could not. It is
necessary to remember that all possibilities can
occur on timelines.
Omal: so therefore it is necessary to sit down and
analyze with the help of information as much as
possible that you can gather to analyze information.
By doing this, you can analyze what will occur and
predict what possibly will happen.
Russ: but even so, let’s take that back to your last
theorem that you gave me in which……..okay, in one
you need that information and in one you don’t. But
how could you possibly know, even with all the
information you could gather, that what you’ve done
is going to affect the future positively if that’s
what your goal is….
Russ: even with that information? I mean there are
still variable factors that could be entered in that
you’re still taking a chance.
Omal: exactly, the more information you add in
decreases the amount of error, the ones that we have
named are just but a few. You wish me to name more?
Russ: for the sake of record……..no, we’ve had that
already on record, we’ve gone through this before.
Omal: we have not gone through heath, we have not
gone through productivity, we have not gone through
sunspot cycles. We have not gone through the effects
of meteors on your planet, we have not gone through
the fact of population growth, population decrease,
births, deaths, marriages and so on.
Russ: you’re right.
Omal: you have to factor in all of these events.
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: you see, you can think of ten subjects to
Omal: but that is just the tip of the iceberg. If
you were to ask Tia on what extent she covers on her
fields, you would be surprised on how much she does
Omal: it is hard for her, that is why she has a
staff and that is why at the moment it is necessary
for her to take some......entertainment.
Russ: okay. Now wouldn’t it be something that you
could just then get percentages of. Like for
example, let's say I invent this machine. Now……..all
right better yet, let’s take another. Let’s say it’s
Tia working on this problem.
Russ: okay? And she has our world collapse estimated
out at two point let’s say 39 years, okay? Then all
of a sudden, let’s say I come up with this machine.
She has to change her factors around to say well now
that will happen only at a 35% possibility now
compared to 95% possibility it was prior to that.
Omal: correct and is not a total world collapse.
Russ: it's just an American collapse?
Omal: it is a little bit wider…..
Omal: but not much.
Omal: but it is a domino effect that will affect to
a lesser or greater extent other places.
Russ: okay. But now, back to my second phase, which
was if this does happen, then we see the changes
necessary to push man to his more conscious limits
or……yeah, total conscious limits to put him on fifth
dimensional earth, to.......
Russ: it would lead to that point.
Russ: you’re saying he would regress because of
Omal: no, I’m saying that he will not go to a fifth
Russ: sixth dimensional earth.
Omal: that is better.
Russ: sorry about that, yeah, you’re right. Okay, so
you have to factor that in too. Do you want to do
something that could change all that? And again we
come back to the point of well yes, you made the
Omal: correct but you also have to remember that it
may be a key. It may not be, it could be, that is
something that is necessary to remember that all
possibilities that can occur will occur and
therefore that would lead you down an avenue that
will give you the opportunity.
Russ: ohhh, I get it.
Omal: nothing is good, and nothing is bad,
everything serves its purpose.
Russ: that’s right, you could draw as many keys as
you want until you’re blue in the face as to whether
any of them do anything, it doesn’t matter.
Russ: because of the fact man will evolve…..
Omal: sooner or later.
Russ: sooner or later right, and so he will gain
those lessons if the world does not…..
Omal: if it does, or if it doesn’t, is besides the
Omal: but is this necessary for survival of the
species to plan accordingly? To take into account
every possible eventuality, analyze the information,
project what may occur with a certainty of never
more than 95%, which leaves 5% of error, leads to a
proverbial spanner to be slung into the works or
wrench as you would call it.
Russ: right, I see.
Omal: you have to remember that wildcard factor.
Russ: I’d like to be a wrench.
Omal: okay, let us move on to the next subject, I
believe it is 21:50 and a little bit.
Russ: that’s correct. Okay, now, we have the thing
now with the have and have-nots…..
Russ: to where that difference between the two are
widening. Now, are we going to be seeing that key
that we're talking about then possibly lessening
that gap that’s currently there? Is that part of the
solution we’re looking for here?
Omal: it is a tricky area to discuss.
Russ: because we're going into gray areas?
Omal: correct. It also factors in information that
is being worked on.
Omal: you have to remember, nothing is set in stone.
The haves and the have-nots are in those positions
because of what has occurred in the past. So
therefore the envy of the have-nots to the haves can
be a friction. However, it can also be a lubrication
for the have-nots to try to achieve by means
necessary to become the haves.
Omal: it always occurs that you have the haves and
have-nots, it occurs as regular as night and day.
Russ: I see. People make their own choices, so they
have put themselves in those positions to learn from
Russ: so all of that is perfect, whether it has
anything to do with what happens is perfect.
Omal: is what is planned and happening to the
Russ: right, because that’s all outside of us, the
key is ourselves…….
Russ: and our evolution.
Russ: okay. One thing I was looking at was, no
matter what happens, whether the collapse comes or
does not come, we would be seeing events that would
bring about global cooperation.
Omal: that is a possibility that needs to be looked
into, and speculated on.
Russ: okay. Because when we factor in all those
things that you mentioned, sun spots, etc…..
Russ: many of those things taken as a formula, would
bring about a solution or a collapse, it doesn’t
Omal: because it is necessary to learn from one or
Russ: right, okay. But before I go off on too much
further, other stuff, I wanted to find out if we
could discuss the devas while we still have time.
Omal: let me check your recording device as our ring
mistress is being frivolous.
Omal: you have approximately 10 minutes on this
Russ: okay, would that be enough then to do the
Omal: on this side yes.
Russ: we’ll just go to this side then......
Russ: hold off the rest off for later.
Omal: correct. Devas, the entities that are.
Omal: they are descended from an ancient species
that have always been shy. They like company, they
like things just so. To them, time is irrelevant. A
hundred years for a deva to sit in one place is like
you sitting there and thinking for 30 seconds.
Omal: so therefore their long projection is their
Russ: hmm, do they exist now in other worlds also
Omal: they inhabit other timelines because they
arrived at certain points where there were splits.
When a world split they happen to be on that world.
Where the colonies were originally set up, they were
there because they came with the first ships. So
therefore they inhabit all the timelines where there
were Atlantean colonies.
Russ: ahh, do they interact then on a conscious
level with humans?
Russ: okay. They can appear……..well, they don’t
appear, do they?
Russ: they have no form.
Omal: they are a consciousness.
Russ: oh, okay. Together they make up a singular
consciousness or are they all individual?
Omal: they are all individual but they can make up
Russ: okay, so they can communicate……
Omal: with each other.
Russ: okay, no matter the distance?
Omal: uh-huh. If you remember back to our camping
trip, we asked you to do what......when you were
ready to leave?
Omal: make an offering.
Russ: make an offering, yes.
Omal: and that was not for the devas in nourishment
for them, it was for the animals that lived around.
Russ: that the devas are responsible for.
Omal: not responsible for.
Russ: look after.
Omal: enjoy their existence.
Russ: oh I see.
Omal: you see, devas cannot affect things on a
physical level, they are more echoes of
consciousnesses would be a better way to describe
them. It is like looking at a picture for you, you
enjoy the beauty. The devas looking at the animals
and the trees growing in let’s say a meadow is
enjoyment. They have passed beyond the point of
needing nourishment for the physical, they have
passed beyond love, they have passed beyond the need
for physical pleasures. The thing that they enjoy
most is the beauty around them.
Omal: that is of a spiritual level.
Russ: would we say then that they are even higher
consciousness then say Sananda?
Omal: yes and no. Because they have time that puts
them higher then Sananda, but because they are
earthbound, meaning that they are confined to their
area and do not look beyond the future they are much
Omal: they can be both multi-dimensional
and dimensional on one plane only.
Russ: so this is not the final evolution of the
human species we’re seeing?
Omal: it is a possibility.
Russ: oh it is? I would say, because as humans,
we’re always looking towards the future anyway.
Omal: uh-huh, the devas once did.
Russ: okay, how do we affect the devas in their
Omal: go and get yourself a chainsaw and you will
see what effect you have.
Russ: well how can we tell the effect? Unless you
are completely sensitive to what a deva feels, you
wouldn’t even hear the pain.
Omal: here is another way. Take Mark’s lighter and
burn your pictures.
Russ: which pictures?
Omal: the ones in the room out there.
Russ: oh I see. You won’t hear the pictures go….
Omal: but you will feel the loss.
Omal: the feeling of loss will remain an echo. Your
experience of loss, your hurt, the loss of your
favorite pictures will be always with you. The loss
of their favorite trees and their favorite lakes and
ponds and fields and meadows and hills will always
be with them.
Omal: it is the loss that they feel. Have you ever
wandered through an area where it has been clear-cut
and the feeling of loss and sadness there?
Russ: no, thank God, I wouldn’t want to.
Omal: but that is what would be experienced. The
quietness, the lack of sound, just the wind blowing
over the stumps and the remains of once living
trees. However, devas will take great pleasure and
enjoyment on seeing a dead tree cut down by man
because that tree no longer is beautiful, it no
longer serves a function. It is an eyesore, a fire
hazard which could destroy their land even more.
However, fire can also be a purpose that will bring
them harm because they know that within fifty to a
hundred years new life will be in that area. Where
an area is clear-cut and then buildings are put on
it, it will never be beautiful again for them
because it is not natural what comes after.
Omal: after maybe five hundred to a thousand years
they may find the area beautiful again.
Russ: well they don’t have any sense of time so that
five hundred to a thousand years is but a blink to
Omal: correct, but also each second can be a
thousand years to them.
Omal: time to them is a slippery concept.
Russ: well have they moved on to sixth dimensional
earth, a few of them or will they?
Omal: we do not know at this time.
Russ: oh. Okay, so that’s why it’s helpful to be
able to work with the devas?
Russ: because you get reciprocal results back from
Omal: yes. For example, if you were to go out and to
clear-cut all the trees in this neighborhood….
Omal: there would be the overwhelming feeling of
loss for the devas which would pester you, which
would hurt you, which would make this area no longer
beautiful to you. You would not be happy, you would
move to somewhere else and you would still feel
unhappy because what have you done? You have
destroyed not only a habitat of many different
animals, but you have also upset numerous devas.
Russ: true. Now, how can we become more sensitive to
their feelings and communicate with them or is there
an ability to communicate with them?
Omal: it is very hard to achieve. Even for us it is
hard because they look at things in a different way
from us. Remember, to them, time is irrelevant.
Russ: would they be able to even comprehend any
language whatsoever except for emotions?
Omal: it is unlikely.
Russ: okay, because I'm wondering if maybe they move
faster or slower than we do.
Russ: faster and slower.
Omal: yes. You have to remember that to them, a
thousand years is but a blink of an eye.
(Omal signs off with his signature phrase)
Omal: live long and prosper.
Russ: farewell Omal.
Omal: I’ll be back.
(Kiri jumps on without Tia
ushering her into the session)
Russ: it’s Ms. Light As A Feather. Yes?
Russ: ahh, I wasn’t sure if we were making
transitions or something here.
Kiri: yeah, yo?
Russ: oh yeah.
Russ: hi Kiri.
Russ: what up babes?
Kiri: yo. Slip me some skin bro.
Russ: you got it baby. Got you some tea there if
Kiri: oh yes.
Russ: it’s not very warm any more but it does go
within the boundaries of teadom.
Kiri: yes, barely. That was a nice long chat you
two had, almost half an hour of chatting.
Russ: well you know, we don’t get to chat that
often when we have people in here.
Russ: so when it’s just me and him….
Russ: we had that luxury.
Kiri: okay, you have questions for me.
Russ: I do.
Russ: okay, now I was reading the article out
there in the London Observer…
Russ: about the future.
Russ: now, give or take whatever happens as far as
what Omal and myself were talking about, one thing
is for sure…
Russ: technology will advance.
Kiri: of course, yeah.
Russ: because there will always be money towards
improving one’s lot, even before the collapse
really does come.
Kiri: oh yeah.
Russ: okay, now part of that technology we’re
looking at is the introduction of biology with
Russ: such for example smart appliances.
Russ: things that know what you want when you walk
in the room, lights that know that they are being
too bright without being told.
Russ: or one example was a book that when you pick
it up turns on a light.
Russ: now what kind of technology does this
envision for people?
Kiri: the purpose of technology is what?
Russ: make life easier.
Kiri: uh-huh, which in turn does what?
Russ: improves the quality of life.
Kiri: uh-huh, which in turn does what?
Russ: I don’t know, removes quite a bit of the
drudgery that was present before that.
Kiri: uh-huh, which in turn does what? You have to
look way, way, way down the line. Taking away the
boring drudgery will make things more boring. If
you don’t need to get up to switch the light on….
Kiri: then, what is the point of having the
strength in your legs to do that?
Russ: true. Okay, so that was my next question is,
is all this technology really needed or necessary?
Kiri: how much of that type of technology do we
have on Hades Base? It is unnecessary.
Russ: doors open up by themselves.
Kiri: yes, when you walk up to them.
Russ: but it doesn’t require having to reach down,
turn the knob, open the door.
Kiri: have you tried Mark's sliding door into his
backyard, into our backyard?
Russ: that’s true, that’s manual.
Kiri: uh-huh. And when you come to an apartment,
does the door just open and you walk in?
Russ: no, it has to allow you in.
Kiri: it has to be knocked on…..
Kiri: as you would say.
Russ: see, that’s it, I just got through reading
the book "2150",
Russ: and there you’re seeing a life where
everything is done by servo-mechanisms.
Russ: except for gardening….
Russ: and I guess artwork probably.
Russ: but music, you call upon a melody and the
computer comes up with a tape you need, all the
cleaning and everything is all done. Now you got
basic cleaning mechanisms up there that do all the
cleaning for you…..
Russ: if you want.
Kiri: if we want, yes.
Russ: or leave them turned off.
Russ: but now how often is something like with
Tia’s example is common up there on Hades Base?
Kiri: I really haven’t asked around, you'd have to
ask Karra. She’s the very housey, domestic one.
Russ: okay. So basically, if this collapse……..one
of the points I’m getting to is…..with this
Russ: it it's avoided is one thing. If it comes,
that could be one of the beneficial side effects
Kiri: it’s possible, yes.
Russ: I mean man is going to have to do without a
lot of the stuff that he takes for granted now.
Russ: and by doing so, that’s going to make him a
little bit more survival conscious……
Russ: a little more knowledgeable of his
Russ: working with his environment closer…..
Russ: and taking away a lot of the destructiveness
needed to create the technology we have.
Kiri: all right, let’s give you a analogy, right?
Kiri: you have two men in an elevator, right?
Kiri: the elevator stops between floors, totally
Kiri: you have two possibilities. One, one man
waits for it to be fixed and the other man gets
out and climbs up the elevator shaft, prying open
a door and goes and gets help.
Russ: what about the phone inside?
Kiri: that’s it, it doesn’t have one.
Kiri: let's say it is just your regular push
button, no telephone, no alarm elevator.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: one man stays behind and waits and the other
one gets up and does something about it. That is
an analogy for you dwell upon.
Russ: so if I dwell upon that for a couple seconds
Russ: I could see that if we apply that to the
Russ: we would see where some men, or people, will
wait for the end and some will do something about
Kiri: uh-huh, exactly. Some will just sit there
and accept what has happened as, “oh well, there’s
nothing I can do about it” and some will go out
and actually do something about it to improve
their lot. The ones that go out and do something
to improve their lot and remember the man stuck in
the elevator and send someone to get him out are
the ones that learn, the ones that do better.
Anyway, I’ve got to go, I want to make love.
Russ: okay. Well you go have fun, make lots of
love, thank you very much for all your assistance.
Kiri: you’re welcome.
(Tia is now back as the speakers change seats)
Tia: okay, I’ll put on the next person.
Russ: okay love.
Tia: just looking at her makes me horny,
sometimes. Looking at Mark makes me horny, very
Tia: good, bye.
(Karra gives us a feel of
living on the base)
Russ: now looking at you, makes me horny.
Karra: in Mark’s body?
Karra: I should see a psychiatrist if I was you.
Russ: mustaches just doesn't work.
Karra: well, how you doing?
Russ: I’m doing good my love, how’s yourself?
Karra: oh, I’m fine, in fact seeing those two over
there, passionately kissing each other is a little
bit of a turn on actually.
Russ: I'll bet. Well, Miss Domestic......
Karra: to answer your question, I think it’s about
45% of the female population and about 20% of the
male population on Hades Base actually do clean
their own apartments.
Karra: it is not a unique phenomenon as Kiri and
Mark like people to think.
Russ: well that’s a pretty good proportion
Russ: so you got all this technology that you
don’t actually have to use….
Russ: and maybe oftentimes don't want to use.
Russ: what about you darling, are you in that in
that 45% I believe?
Karra: I wish.
Russ: oh, you’re not?
Karra: no, I do not have the time.
Russ: oh, understandable.
Karra: so I do not take as much pride in my little
apartment as Tia takes in hers.
Russ: your's looks great babe.
Karra: well, I wish that I did had more time so I
could clean it instead having the machines clean
Russ: hmm, true.
Karra: it feels better when you clean it yourself.
Russ: I've never see the machines work yet.
Karra: you won’t.
Russ: when do you have the things working, at
Karra: it works all the time.
Russ: well why won’t I see it then?
Karra: because it is built in.
Russ: little machines actually come out and vacuum
Karra: no, no. What happens is the dirt that falls
to the floor is vacuumed out as you would put it,
it is sucked out.
Russ: oh that’s easy.
Karra: you do not feel the suction. The dust is
sucked out, stains are dissolved, are sucked into
the material and sent off for recycling.
Russ: I'll be danged, that’s how it works then?
Karra: uh-huh, it is part of the recycling things.
After all, all molecules are in everything. For
example, you may spill your coffee on the table
and leave a nasty ring where the coffee was…..
Karra: but half hour or an hour later you look
there and there is no stain there. You order a
cheese sandwich and you eat the stake.
Russ: isn’t that handy, I think. Maybe it will
take a little bit to get used to that lovely sushi
I had over at Paul’s place less now.
Russ: so that was real fish though, so I’m not
worried about that.
Karra: what you implying?
Russ: well maybe the rice was recycled or
Karra: it is possible.
Russ: oh. Oh well, tastes good and that’s all that
Russ: okay. All right, as you know, we just got
through with "2150". I say we because it was a
Karra: yes it was and I’ve read that so many
times, I’m so bored.
Russ: well, I’ll admit that my literary tastes do
run to the monotonous sometimes.
Russ: now, taking that I was discussing with this
with you mentally I believe...
Russ: the concept of both having your twin soul on
Russ: works at speeding this up.
Russ: but I still find it so coincidental that I
see this happening with us.
Russ: that it’s the privilege of being able to
work with you and love you and have children with
you and everything……
Karra: thank you.
Russ: that most folks never, ever, ever, ever,
ever get to do.
Russ: and I love the rarity of it.
Karra: well, it is not as rare as you would think.
Russ: probably not up there.
Karra: and remember, love is reciprocal……….(her
Russ: it’s a visual feast…….
Karra: yes it is. Basically, what it is, is
they’re standing side on to me, Kiri has her leg
up covering Tia’s midsection……..they’re propped
against the wall and Tia is levitating
herself……..or she was, she’s not now……..and Kiri
is caressing her.
Russ: sure they’re not just doing this for your
Karra: maybe, but I……
Russ: I think they’re a bunch of exhibitionists
Karra: umm, I think they love each other very
Russ: well yeah, true.
Karra: and it does not matter to Kiri if anybody’s
around. Tia is getting a little bit more like Kiri
in that respect that she……..to her, showing love
is something private. For Kiri, it is something
for all the world to see that she’s in love.
Karra: it is that she blooms and she shows the
flower to everybody.
Russ: well if I lived up there we’d make pretty
much of a spectacle all the time too.
Russ: I can certainly understand.
Karra: and it is beautiful. What is wrong with
doing something that is enjoyable?
Russ: I can’t see anything wrong with it. I think
Russ: funny sometimes.
Karra: uh-huh, yes it is funny sometimes.
Russ: our orgies in the pyramid……
Russ: degenerated into channeling sessions.
Karra: nice play on words there. Actually, I
myself enjoyed those tremendously as well.
Russ: yes I know, well you participated as much as
anybody at those points.
Karra: uh-huh. Well, Lyka is such a lovely young
lady, she brings out.....my youth.
Russ: well that’s good.
Karra: uh-huh, she makes me feel so young
Russ: God I wish I lived up there with you all the
time, but I wouldn't be able to get all my work
done down here I want to.
Karra: I wouldn't mind living down there with you
but it is necessary sometimes to live apart.
Anyway, we do have another person that is here as
Russ: oh, okay then real quickly, I wanted to
check on, as the book was mentioning, the seven
Russ: are those……I only know a few glands.
Karra: they are in a way linked to the chakras.
Russ: they are?
Karra: uh-huh, yes, to answer your question.
Russ: okay and can you work with them as the book
Karra: yes, but it takes a lot of practice and it
is sometimes very difficult, especially for males
to work with all of them because you have to
change frequencies and you need special equipment
to do so. It is not necessary to have
air-conditioning equipment but sometimes it is
much better to have internal equipment.
Russ: hmm, so in another words, each of the
chakras……and I have to remember this……works on an
independent frequency from the others.
Russ: and knowing what each frequency is helps a
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: that wasn’t mentioned in the book, that was
just in being able to see them.
Russ: okay which brings me to another question,
which is seeing auras.
Russ: I was practicing a little bit today.
Karra: it is something that is useful to have.
Russ: well, as a healer, I thought it would be
Karra: sometimes, being able to tune into
somebody’s emotions is much better.
Russ: well wouldn’t it be the same? If the
emotions would be reflected on the aura….
Russ: but if you can’t see the aura, tuning in to
the emotions would be the next best thing.
Karra: that’s right.
Russ: okay, so now, as far as tuning in to the
aura goes, now I’m following the book's
recommendations and what we’ve gone through
Russ: I’m looking at the body but on the side of
Russ: to see the aura. Now, how do you develop
that to a better degree to where you start seeing
the colors? Is it just more practice?
Karra: more practice than anything else, yes.
Russ: oh I see. Okay......
Russ: I'll just keep working on it then.
Russ: well thank you, my love.
Karra: you’re welcome.
Russ: anything for me? While I got you here. Of
course, the girls. Well can you put the next
person on without having to disrupt Tia over
Karra: they’ve untwined themselves.
Russ: oh, they have?
Karra: yes, Kiri’s left.
Russ: oh, okay, so it's time. All right, thank you
my love, I’ll see you later on when I get up
(Tia returns and we hear a bit about her life)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: oh well, I've got to put on the last person.
Russ: I know, we’re on a time limit.
Tia: uh-huh yes, we are. How much time do we have?
Russ: I don't know.
Tia: oh, we got tons of time.
Russ: do we?
Tia: yeah, we have like 15 minutes.
Russ: I better stretch this out then.
Tia: oh I can stretch out time. I can sit here and
I can.....that's better.
Russ: you got a busy night ahead of you I take it?
Tia: oh yes, Lyka was looking after the Cubs.
Russ: oh, right now?
Tia: uh-huh. Actually, they should be almost in
bed by now. What’s it, 10:30 your time?
Tia: 11:15? They should be in bed.
Russ: it's 9:15 there now, I thought they went to
bed at nine there.
Tia: no, they go to bed at eight.
Russ: that’s a lot.
Tia: well, they get up at six but they do as a
rule wake up in the middle of the night. Most the
time they're very quiet about it.
Russ: oh, that’s good.
Tia: uh-huh. It’s my turn tomorrow to get them up
and get them ready for the crčche and I got plans
(Alana is the night's guest
Russ: how you doing sweetheart?
Alana: not too bad.
Russ: well that’s good.
Russ: I hear you're being used to model clothes
Russ: or be fitted for clothes.
Alana: fitted for clothes, yes. I’m the generic
size. Breast size….
Russ: are you?
Alana: uh-huh, hip size.
Russ: oh yeah, for Sirian, right.
Alana: uh-huh, leg size, width across my vagina
area, and so on.
Russ: oh, did they get any good designs off of you
Alana: yes they did actually.
Russ: and were you part of the approval process?
Alana: Kiri is planning to take a whole load of
holos of me modeling.
Russ: that sounds like fun.
Alana: yes, I'm going to look very sexy. In fact,
I’m keeping one. It’s a two-piece…..well the
bottom's a two-piece and the top is a one-piece.
Alana: it comes down real low, just covers my
nipples and it comes like this and as it kind of
crosses in the middle and folds over….
Alana: it comes around my back.
Russ: well that'd be pretty popular down here.
Russ: except for the tan line it would leave.
Alana: it doesn’t leave much of a tan line.
Russ: well what about where it comes up from
Alana: well, it comes up like this, right?
Russ: uh-huh, that’s a pretty weird tan line
Alana: yeah but it’s quite thin. I’m having
difficulty with the hand-eye coordination.
Russ: you’re doing well.
Alana: okay. And then the one......the panty part
of it or the bottoms right?
Alana: as I said, it’s a two-piece, it comes
across like this.
Russ: sounds complicated.
Alana: it’s not really.
Russ: well good, keep that around.
Alana: uh-huh, I like it lot, actually.
Russ: oh good.
Russ: sounds good-looking.
Russ: oh good, so this working out, the roommate
Alana: oh yeah.
Alana: in fact I think my girlfriend would like
her a lot.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Alana: uh-huh. In fact, my girlfriend is……..I
checked on her this morning…..
Russ: how she doing?
Alana: oh she remembers things from one minute to
the next, you can hold a conversation with her
Russ: oh, that’s an improvement.
Alana: uh-huh. Whereas before, you couldn't hold a
conversation, she’d look at you and go, "Alana".
And you’d ask her how she was doing and she would
go, " Alana, so good to see you".
Russ: well that’s just part of the pain dampening
Alana: uh-huh. And then you can actually sit down
and talk to her, and you can walk away and come
back an hour later and she will look at the clock
and go, "have I seen you yet today?"
Russ: that sounds kind of like what they did in
the Robert Heinlein series where…
Alana: apart from this is much more acute, though.
Russ: oh really?
Alana: uh-huh, is that she can’t remember if she
Russ: she can’t remember the pain at all?
Alana: oh she can’t remember anything.
Alana: she can’t remember from one minute to the
Russ: oh yeah?
Russ: what’s her ETA?
Alana: oh I should say about a week and a half.
Russ: that’s getting close.
Alana: uh-huh, yeah.
Alana: and the doctors were saying that she’s
ready to make children.
Russ: she’s ready to make children?
Alana: uh-huh, apparently she doesn’t remember
that she was totally into women.
Russ: oh, so now she thinks she’s into men?
Alana: well, she thinks she’s into both actually.
Russ: oh, that’s handy.
Alana: it is handy actually.
Russ: so she repressed her male desires?
Alana: I think she might have made love to a guy
once or maybe twice but…..
Russ: didn’t like it?
Alana: didn’t like it probably.
Russ: well, it can happen.
Alana: uh-huh. It might’ve been that she was very
young when she lost her virginity, I never asked
her, it’s something we don’t discuss.
Russ: that’s true, you don’t need to really?
Alana: no, it’s just that we're very comfortable
with each other. I mean she remembers me before
the accident, but it’s kind of very, you know?
Alana: because we did kiss and unfortunately, I’m
not allowed to make love to her for the fact that
her stitches are still in, but they will be taken
Russ: now I take it, because you’re on Hades Base
in such a higher dimension…..
Russ: that there is not going to be any
repercussions of her going, "hey, here I am off
and getting healed, and you’re off with some
Alana: no, no.
Russ: shall understand it.
Alana: oh, she’ll understand it totally
because……well she knows about my sex drive.
Russ: oh well, of course.
Alana: and she knows that I do like men.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Alana: uh-huh. Or I hope she remembers.
And………well, we have had some……..put it this way,
some very interesting evenings together.
Russ: one thing I’ve noticed is that……..I was
reading today in a book that Karra and I were
Russ: that anger is essentially your feeling of
not taking responsibility for your actions and
blaming somebody else.
Alana: no, I don’t think so.
Russ: well that’s why I have questions about it, I
thought I'd ask you about it.
Alana: yeah, anger can be…..there many forms.
There’s anger at somebody else, anger at yourself
for doing something really stupid, such as Kiri’s
anger for when she broke her arm rollerblading.
Was she angry at Mark?
Alana: what she angry at you?
Alana: the only person she was angry at was
Russ: oh. So you’re saying anger has got a good
Alana: yeah, you can learn from anger.
Alana: anger can be a two-edged sword. For
example, anger can be very destructive. And you
can say, "I’m angry at, I’ll never do that again".
And who are you angry with?
Russ: hmm, cool. Well, according to the book that
Russ: showed a less than higher consciousness
perspective because there’s always ways to deal
with things without having to resort to anger.
Alana: that’s if it’s directed at somebody else.
Russ: but you’re saying that it’s good to get mad
at yourself, that you should get mad at yourself?
Alana: yes, for the simple reason that it sticks
in your mind.
Russ: right, what’s the alternative?
Alana: well if you go, "oh well, I made a mistake,
so what?" What do you learn from it? Does it stick
in your mind? No, I don’t think so. Does it make
other people realize that you are angry that you
made a mistake and also being angry at somebody
else makes them realize that they made a mistake?
You see what I’m saying?
Russ: oh I see what you’re saying. So, what about
if you're just angry at yourself then and take
away the anger you have for other people out of
your life? Is that a road to higher consciousness
that way you think?
Alana: it can be. You see, there are many
different roads to walk on.
Russ: right. Well, just because sometimes I get
mad other people, I see it as a wrongness.
Alana: if you don’t tell them why you’re mad at
them it’s a wrongness.
Russ: well, but what if you tell them why it is
and they get mad back at you? I don't mean to hit
you with all this stuff when you’re trying to have
a good time.
Alana: let me see. If they get angry at you, you
can both learn from it because afterwards
sometimes you and Mark, when you got angry at each
other, you've learned, laughed and having a good
time laughing at it later on.
Russ: yeah, true.
Russ: hmm, but had we not gotten angry at each
other, maybe it would’ve been a better experience?
Alana: but you never would’ve found out what makes
you or Mark angry..........bye Russ.
Russ: bye Alana.
(Tia takes us to the tape's end)
Tia: hello, hey. Yeah?
Russ: having fun?
Tia: uh-huh. Don’t worry, the tape's going to be
over in a few minutes.
Russ: okay. So, what’s your opinion on all this
Tia: anger? It serves its purpose I think.
Russ: so, taking it from your life is not always
the best thing in the world.
Tia: not always, no.
Russ: controlling it, how about controlling it?
Could be a useful tool.
Tia: we have got a lot of tape……no we don’t, we’ve
have very little left.
Russ: how’s Teene doing? I haven’t heard from her
Tia: Teene’s doing fine.
Russ: hmm, that’s good.
Tia: yeah. In fact I saw her last night before
Mark came up.
Russ: I still have to keep reminding myself that
she’s actually a very evolved soul.
Tia: yes, instead of the 18-year-old.
Tia: uh-huh. Her girlfriend is……you want to talk
about exhibitionists? Her girlfriend is an
Russ: oh really?
Tia: uh-huh. Well they’re both actually
THE TAPE ENDS