6TH DIMENSIONAL ECONOMICS VIA THE SALMON WAND
(Patent Not Pending)
this session is a follow-up to the first podcast
to be posted called Etiquette coming three weeks
later but much closer to Karra and Kiri's father's
inauguration as the President of Sirius. The bulk
of the session has an economic theme. First with
Tia giving a truly informative look at Earths
economies and markets with Kiri finishing with a
an even more informative look at the economy of
6th dimensional Sirius through an invention of
hers I call the Salmon Wand.
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(Tia starts off the session.)
Russ: and how's it going tonight?
Tia: it's going good, good, good, good, good, good, good.
Tia: okay, there's a lot going on isn't there?
Russ: yeah one or two things.
Tia: well there's the Iraqi thing.
Tia: which is going again, what did I say? I said it would
go again and it will and it will get sorted out and it
will go again. (Sighs) That's Pugsley right? (One of the
Tia: okay, the stock market and its yo-yos. Yo-yo, yo-yo,
yo-yo, up and down, up and down. Again, what did I say,
the start of the year it would do some wild things. It's
doing pretty wild so I think that's two points for me as
opposed to saying that the Steelers would win, that's a
minus I think. But that was just off the cuff, well you
weren't thinking on looking at the facts. Umm okay,
what else is going on on the topics tonight? Ahh, fiscal
monetary collapses and the factoring in with the fiscal
goings on in the market hmmm? Okay, how does that
work, how does that factor in? Well about a year and six
months ago, I made the comments about the reason for the
problems that are coming would be an external source, that
there was a high probability that that would be the case and
it looks like unfortunately I'm right again. What to do,
what to do? I know, astral travel and answers and
Tia: okay do you have questions?
Russ: on astral travel?
Russ: what about the technique of imagining yourself at
the foot of the bed and then directing your consciousness
to that imagination? That visualization you make.
Tia: yes that does work in some cases. I don't personally
recall having ever done that and I'm pretty sure Mark has
never done that and if he continues swearing like that I'm
going to scratch his eyes out. (A cat at the door was
making a lot of noise)
Russ: well I would almost bet he would continue
doing that. Want me to throw him out the back door here?
Tia: where is he, he's out there isn't he?
Russ: he's in the garage.
Tia: yes. Let him in and then throw him out the back door,
that will keep him happily entertained for a few.
Tia: whilst I talk about astral travel and imagining your
consciousness at the foot of the bed routine. Well, this
again is another technique that is worth exploring. The
exploration of that technique is something that should be
done.........tell you what, let him in and let him
get a bite to eat.
Tia: that's what he's demanding is food. There he goes
straight off for the food right?
Tia: okay, and in using various techniques and
experimentation with those techniques will give an
individual the best feel for what technique works for her
or him. The techniques that we have described work for us
and have worked in trials up here for us. So therefore
it's not right for us to say that those are the
appropriate ones to use, it's just alternatives to try and
whatever works for the individual works regardless of the
fact of whether it is doing the laying down in a circle
and using candles or a 10 deep and 10 shallow listening to
nice, soothing music. Those are just two possible ways of
astral traveling. You can get as many astral travel
masters together as you can from different countries and
they will talk and they will pick out certain things that
are working for them. But cobbling all those ideas
together and coming up with the right formula that works
for everyone is something that would be difficult. As for
projecting your consciousness to the foot of the bed and
traveling from there, that is just another kind of astral
Russ: hmm okay. So best bet is maintaining the calm, using
the breathing and projecting yourself in the ways you described
Tia: no, I didn't say that. What I said was that what
works for the individual works for the individual.
Experimentation is the best thing. Our methods work up
here and the other method that is used in the how to
astral travel is something that Mark and myself
worked on together that works also well. But I did not say
that they were the only ones.
Tia: they are other possible ways of astral traveling. And
to re-go over what I just said, there are a myriad of
possible ways to astral travel.
Russ: okay, now when you're switching dimensions, is there
any way that you can ease that process up?
Tia: I don't see that there is. It does get eased up with
more and more usage and practice certainly but
the rough crossover appears to be part of it.
Russ: hmm okay.
Tia: it's a little bit like the early vessels that you had
that were breaking the sound barrier.
Tia: you know, for them to start off with it was a real
choppy, jumpy movement and as the pilots progressed on to
better and better aircraft, it got easier and easier and
smoother and smoother.
Russ: hmmm, so basically you just at first, you know you
get kind of scared going through that.
Tia: uh-huh. I wouldn't say scared, anxiety and adrenaline
Russ: right, once you go through there though, you're
connected by your silver cord so if you have any problems
it can draw you right straight back.
Tia: yes uh-huh.
Russ: okay, I can do that.
Tia: yeah, it's something that should not be worrying. If
you're not ready to do it, you can't do it full-stop end
of discussion, end of subject, end of matter period,
bunmfp, that's it. But if you are ready and you can do it
and you have the power and the capability and the
technical knowledge on how to do it, it shouldn't present
too much of a problem apart from the fact of the
adrenaline, the excitement of doing it.
Russ: well now we didn't really talk about the technical
knowledge of doing it, all we've discussed is
the theoretical knowledge.
Russ: followed by Mark's descriptions of going through it
and mine is a little bit different.
Russ: so what technical knowledge would be necessary for
someone just starting out who wishes to do this?
Tia: well the technical knowledge would be knowing the
correct point of exiting, the necessary speed
to be achieved to do the breakthrough.
Russ: is that different with everyone?
Tia: it varies from person to person, to a certain extent
there are key things that are the same. The building
feeling of as you approach it the excitement increases and
increases and that's also the energy building up that's
enough to project, to create the breach for you to jump
Russ: I see.
Tia: those are pretty much common things throughout all
astral travel. All trans-dimensional astral travel should
I say. Okay the technical data is the necessary velocity
increases as the approach for the jump occurs. Obviously
the faster you go, the quicker you achieve it, the more
energy is built up to be able to make the penetration for
the jump and the projection necessary to
create the breach or hole is the same amount for everyone.
It just depends on how much energy a person is capable of
projecting for that purpose. As the energy builds up and
as the critical moment is approached, the energy is
focused in such a way ahead of the person that it creates
the breach or hole as the person approaches. Now obviously
the hole seals up directly behind the person and seals
around the umbilical cord that keeps them in touch with
their third dimensional or sixth dimensional world. Now
it's a constant same build up either way, coming or going, making
the jump from or to and the velocity that is
achieved at that critical moment coupled with the energy
creates the jump. The more energy that is put in of
course, the faster the jump which also goes with the
velocity. However, if the hole closes before you reach it,
then you do not go slap bang into a wall, you just carry
on going as you were in the same dimension just
getting faster and faster as you would expect as you
approach the velocity that is necessary to make the jump.
However, if you've already projected the energy and the
hole closed before you achieved the correct velocity, then
that doesn't matter because you can always you know
project more energy in to do the same thing if you have
the energy reserves to do it.
Tia: now if something does go wrong, the friction created
on the umbilical cord reopens the hole so that you can pop
Russ: oh I see.
Tia: uh-huh. It pulls you back and no more elapsed time
has passed then would normally be expected in the duration
of the jump. You see, when you go through into the fourth
dimension before you head to the fifth dimension, the cord
slides along with you. It doesn't stay stationary at let
us pick a fictional time of about 9:30. It continues
sliding up through all the time possibilities and
variabilities. They slide around your umbilical cord as it
progresses on up on the relevant time. So when you make
the reentry and you are spooling in your umbilical cord as
it were.....there is a word I hate to say,
spooling........then it moves up with you, otherwise
you would be reentering at the exact same time that you
left which would be very, very difficult to achieve.
Tia: now, with duration jumps, it is slightly different on
the umbilical cord due to the fact that the elapsed time
may be five hours but you actually return an hour after
you left. That involves a little bit of tricky stuff which
I'm not fully comprehensible on, you'd have to talk on the
experts on that.
Russ: okay now what about the abilities to jump from the
third to the seventh dimension?
Tia: well basically they are very similar, it
just takes more energy to make all those various energy
buildups and jumps. For example, when Mark goes from or
you go from the third dimension to the fourth dimension,
what you are doing is projecting energy to breach the
fourth and then energy to breach into the fifth.
Tia: it's just more projection of energy for the jumps.
For example on the 20th, I believe you have been invited
to a formal function on the sixth dimension.
Tia: and the energy that is necessary is not for a jump to
the fifth but a jump to the sixth. So you go from the
third to the fourth as your first jump point, to the
fifth, that's the second jump point, to the sixth which is
your third jump point. You just need you know a third more
energy than you normally do.
Russ: I see. It's just though the seventh you would go
Russ: what changes are you going to recognize in the
seventh then you would in the sixth?
Tia: I don't know, I've never been there.
Russ: oh. I guess it's a question of clarity, I'll ask
Russ: hmm, interesting question though.
Tia: yeah, it is.
Russ: okay, I can't think of anything else on astral
Tia: okay, do you have any other questions in my field of
Russ: yeah Indonesia.
Tia: that was my obtuse fiscal reference.
Russ: I figured that.
Tia: what is going on? What is going on? And what have you
making gaseous noises.
Russ: I'm not actually, that's Calvin. (One of the house
Tia: well maybe we should vent him outside for that?
Russ: okay, come on Calvin.
Tia: but yes, Indonesia, Indonesia and its fiscal problems
and the loans from various governmental agencies and it's
not just Indonesia that is having problems.
Russ: oh yeah, Thailand, China, Hong Kong.
Tia: uh-huh and their unwillingness to make
changes in their economic practices and the annoyance of
fiscal bailouts of US and other European governments that
have given the fiscal bailout and their anger at those
countries not being prepared to make the necessary
Russ: well how do we expect to get paid back from those
Tia: I don't know, I don't know what people were thinking.
I don't fully understand what is going on. I don't think
they fully understand what's going on.
Russ: well for example if they don't pay, do we foreclose
on the country?
Tia: (laughs) well would that mean that everybody would
get a piece of Indonesia, Hong Kong, China, Singapore?
Russ: now the reason they're bailing them out is to
prevent a worldwide collapse correct?
Tia: no, yes that is their belief.
Russ: and all they're doing is slowing down the process.
Tia: they're postponing the inevitable.
Russ: so in essence, they're just throwing good money
Russ: and what is causing these collapses in the first
place? I mean we never have really
Tia: okay what is causing it......
Russ: is it drought or a rice shortage or what?
Tia: actually it is quite a number of factors. It's
the fact that there was a boom and during the boom, they
used money to buy things and because they were having a
boom, people extended them credit and they used that
credit after.......well not so much after but whilst they
were having the boom to be able to purchase more stuff.
Now the notes are becoming due and of course the boom has
long gone. Let us take Japan. In the mid-'80's they went
crazy and started buying properties all over the United
States. And the banks were having a boom and
the stock market was having a boom in Japan and the Nikkei
average was climbing and climbing and climbing and
everybody was having a wonderful time. So, U.S. businesses
go "oh, well Japan's a good investment. Let's loan
them, the banks and the companies, money so that they can
buy property at exorbitantly high rates and in turn we
will get paid back plus the interest and we'll have more
Tia: so, that happened. The Japanese paid
exorbitant fees for such places as Heavenly (Ski Resort)
and they stretched themselves. Then things started to
happen that no longer was there a boom but the cycle had
gone a complete circle and was going the same way but in
reverse, that things were contracting. There was no longer
the money going around to make the loans....to be able to
pay the loans and in turn they had to start selling off
their assets to make these loans.
Russ: so basically Heavenly, Steamboat.
Tia: Sable Point.
Russ: Sable Point, all were sold to cover the
interest rates and the loans that were borrowed from.
Tia: correct. However, and this is where it gets a little
tricky and this is going to open up your eyes up
tremendously Russ. Whilst the Japanese were buying and
having finally bought their companies, let us take the
Japanese that bought Heavenly.
Tia: they were still in a point of boom. So, with the
money that they had, they went out and got more loans to
put in more equipment. When they sold, they sold the debts
as well. So that for example Steamboat, Heavenly and Sable
owed X number of millions of dollars. When the Japanese
sold out, those debts were transferred to the new owners.
The Japanese did not negotiate a very good deal
unfortunately. In fact they have a balloon payment coming
up. So, when the new owners of Heavenly bought Heavenly,
they took on the debts and also have to make those
Russ: so they're hoping for a really good year
Tia: oh yeah. They're hoping for a couple of really good
Russ: well they might get them.
Tia: well they might.
Russ: hmmm, okay.
Tia: they might.
Russ: now and so basically we're seeing the collapse
coming from outside in?
Tia: what did I say a year and six months ago?
Russ: right but what about Germany, France, England, those
Tia: they're getting affected as well.
Russ: well I know England has a really strong...
Russ: well no, they've got a really strong possessions
within Hong Kong and China.
Russ: they're very you know committed to those
Russ: so a lot of their investments and everything are all
tied to those banks and everything.
Tia: not as much as they once were. A lot of people did
Tia: and re-invested elsewhere in such places as the
United States and Japan.
Tia: Japan again and their own markets. So, let us look at
those countries. Well the British stock market, the Paris
stock exchange and Frankfurt are all doing the same thing
as the United States. Up and down, up and down, up and
down like a yo yo. And because they're invested and are
pulling their money out of foreign markets which is making
the foreign markets go down and up and down as investors
chop and change as investors do looking for a quick profit, their
markets do the same thing because if you take money or
take shares from one place, sell them let us say in
the United kingdom, you sell your shares, let's say you
have a million shares in the BBC. I don't think you can do
that because it's a national corporation. Let us say
British Petroleum, BP. You have a million shares in BP
Kiri: you sell those million right? Which means that the
price has to go down.
Tia: okay whether or not you've made a profit, the price
goes down okay? It depends on the margin of profit from
the initial investment. You take that and invest it in let
us say Japan. which makes the price in Japan go up. Now
you make a profit and the following day you see the market
starts to go back down so you sell there which makes the
market go down even more preferably for a profit
and reinvest it, let us say back in the London market
which means the London market goes back up whereas the
other day it went down, you're now watching it as it goes
back up. Or you pick a market where it is going up and
invest in there and force it up even higher and then if
you're clever enough, if you're playing the 24 hour game,
you would go from let us say, let us start off with Japan,
you sell in Japan in the morning and as evening comes
around, you buy into the British stock market. As that is
going up and at the end of the day as it has gone up, you
sell there just as the market reaches lunchtime 12 o'clock
New York time or Chicago, you buy in there as that goes
up, which means that you're making money. But as your
pulling out of each market, you're pulling out when it
starts to go down.
Russ: hmm interesting.
Tia: see what I'm....what's happening?
Tia: but those are making real quick profits real fast and
making a real quick turnaround. Where you were may be
making a $1,000.00 on each market.
Tia: but there again can also easily lose that or you may
only be making a few hundred clear profit after traders
Russ: okay so how fragile is the markets right now?
Tia: very fragile. By you know looking at the markets and
the increases like 86 points today. And the drop last
Friday of I forget how high it was or how low it was.
something that is interesting is, I was watching TV the
other day and it was like four or five in the morning and
the Nikkei and the Hong Kong and the Chinese Hang Seng had
all lost massive amounts of...
Russ: and basically they were looking at a major collapse
or major crash....well not crash but a downturn in the
American stock market.
Russ: and then by the end of the day everything was up.
Russ: all across the board.
Russ: what happened?
Tia: well what happened was that investors saw an
opportunity to make a quick profit because it was down and
they rush in which pushes it up.
Tia: let us say you started off in the morning when it was
down 130 points right?
Tia: and you put in $10,000 into the market right? You may
make a couple hundred dollars profit by the end of the
Tia: would you like to make a couple hundred dollars
profit in one day?
Russ: I wouldn't want to lose a couple hundred dollars on
it just in case.
Tia: but that's what ended up happening.
Tia: is that all these investors rushed in because it was
down low and pushed the price up and made a profit.
Whereas if some bad news had come out right?
Tia: they could just as easily pulled out and not rushed
in and said "okay, let's wait until Tuesday morning or
Monday morning and see what happens then over the
Russ: interesting. Well thank you Tia, that was very
Tia: uh-huh. It's not so much watching the market, it is
watching how or rather knowing how people react.
Russ: hmm, yeah well you can't control the news.
Tia: correct. But how people react to the news, if you
know that right?
Tia: then you can make a profit. How are people going to
react to good news and bad news and what is good news and
bad news? Let us say in 1929 right? You picked a small
little company, let us say you picked a small fledgling
company called McDonnell Douglas or Fairchild. Okay, you
invested let us say a $1,000.00 and bought something like
a 1,000 shares. Do you know how much that thousand shares
would be worth today?
Tia: that's a lot of money isn't it?
Tia: where did you get that figure from?
Russ: stocks for McDonnell Douglas are running about $45 a
share right now.
Tia: uh-huh. Pretty good profit huh?
Russ: pretty good.
Tia: so, if you were to build yourself a time machine,
what would you do?
Russ: go back and find out the results of, no the results
of all the Super Bowls back at least 20 years.
Tia: oh that's easy to do, just go and buy a book it
tells you what all the results were for the last 20 years.
Russ: right. And just go ahead and bet on them all on the
way coming back.
Tia: oh I see, why not just travel forward in time and
pick up a book telling you the scores in the results of
all the sporting fixtures just like supposedly happened in
" Back to the Future"?
that's where I got that idea.
Russ: well it won't happen so no problem there. Well it's
all right, I'm pretty disgusted being a third dimensional
earth being right now anyway.
Russ: ahhh just too much weirdness in the world. I mean
people so concerned with money that they forget everything
else except you know trivial enjoyment. Those who love
trivial enjoyment so much, they forget all about things
like morality and laws.
Tia: oh really?
Russ: and there's very few really you know people who are
concerned with other people.
Tia: there is more than you think.
Russ: well a temporary concern maybe.
Tia: should I?
Russ: I get the feeling that anything financial crashes
and otherwise that happen are only for the good. Wake
(Tia and the cat have disagreement about playfulness.)
Tia: she doesn't understand playfulness does she?
Russ: okay love.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal comes on next.)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
has been some time has it not?
Russ: it has indeed.
Omal: approximately a month.
Russ: uh-huh, it's nice to see you again.
Omal: thank you and it is good to see you too. I believe
you have a question for me to answer your question. It is
different in the feel, the more in tune with the
surroundings, the more vibrations from the surroundings,
the more feeling of familiarity. The fact that in the
seventh dimension, the trees are more aware, the rocks are
more aware. Everything is more connected in the awareness
of each other.
Russ: hmm. So all things manifest?
Omal: yes. Being a manifestor myself, I am more in tune
than other seventh dimensional beings with my surroundings
in my awareness, in the feelings of
familiarity, the feelings of being connected.
Russ: so when you manifest something, is that something
Omal: for me yes.
Russ: so isn't that sort of like being God?
Omal: what is God?
Russ: well I mean the version of God that would be called
Omal: so, when you create a webpage, are you being a God?
Russ: well the point of it is though, with the awareness
that you feel, let me take it to another point.
Russ: in her channeling to us reflected heavily on the
fact that we're all actors and actresses.
Russ: and is that something you get into as the higher
dimensions go up? You see more of the play?
Omal: she does love to use analogies does she not?
Omal: yes, you are more aware of the play. Instead of
seeing just the actors on the stage, the backdrop
on the stage, the music coming from the orchestra pit, you
are more in tune with the movements of the actors. The
fact that on the mantelpiece maybe there is a clock, maybe
there is something else as well. You see more of the
picture, you see more of the actor's movements. The fact
that the lead person that is talking, who is doing their
poor actor that struts and frets their hour upon the
stage, the person behind them may be leaning on one arm
looking at them quizzically. The person to the left may be
watching with their hands on their hips. The other person
on the left part of the stage may be looking more into the
audience, and somebody else may still be walking towards
the speaker that is strutting and fretting their hour upon
the stage. Instead of being just aware of the speaker and
the backdrop and the orchestra, you are more in tune with
what I've just mentioned plus what they are wearing. The
fabric that they are wearing, the texture, the color, the
smells, the odors, the body movements, the body language,
the meaning in their movements. You see no longer is it
just a person on the stage speaking and acting, it is an
Russ: hmm. Well Korton has often said that it's very
important to listen to what is being said.
Omal: that is a higher dimensional outlook as well as
something that is very useful and should be done on a
third dimensional level.
Russ: right. Now let's take what you just said. This is
more in the way of not only listening to the words of the
play, but more paying attention to all the detail besides
Omal: yes, the detail may have some meaning. For example,
let us say that you have a person that is playing a scene
that is all depressed and on the table is a dagger. It is
there, it was there when the curtain came up but you see
the dagger. You are aware of the dagger and the person who
is playing a depressed scene, they grab the dagger and
they stab themselves in the heart. You see?
are more aware of what is going on. You see more detail,
you know the fact that they are planning something, the
knife plays a part.
is a lady in the kitchen, this is on a stage. In the
kitchen, you see that the table is set. She is
complaining the fact that her husband is late. Now what
does this tell you? She is in the kitchen. On the kitchen
table is a knife, a fork, spoon, a napkin, a candle, a
wineglass or two wineglasses, two plates, two knives, two
forks, two spoons, what does this tell you?
Russ: it tells you she is preparing for more people to eat
Omal: it tells you something more than that. How often
does a person have a candle on the table with wineglasses?
Russ: it tells you that maybe someone special is coming to
Omal: good, now she is complaining.
that tell you?
Russ: that he's late?
Omal: good. Put it all together. She is cooking a special
dinner or has cooked a special dinner. She is expecting
somebody of importance and she has set up accordingly and
that person is late.
Russ: I see.
Omal: so it is being more aware of the goings-on. Being
more observant. For example, look around this room.
Omal: what does it tell you?
Russ: it's a place of study and a place of work.
Omal: now what kind of people have been in this room?
Russ: people who come just to learn.
Omal: more, there's more than that that is told. We're
talking about observation.
if you look at the tapes.......
Russ: you would see that you know there's mass amounts of
information stored here and that the people coming here
are here to gain the information that is given.
Omal: there is also some thinking going on in here.
Omal: there is a picture that indicates that. There is
also culture as in the pottery. There is a reminder or a
keepsake from a young lady. There is a lot of energy, there
is a lot of humor.
Omal: a lot of healing. So it is not just a place where
people come to study. It is a place filled with memories,
humor, knowledge, energy and I could go on listing.
Russ: right. I see what you mean.
Omal: it is a room that has had a lot of love, I'm not
talking about the love for all things, I'm talking about
the love between people.
Omal: it has had some physical love. So these
are all echoed in little pieces throughout the room.
Russ: so the first step is to listen, to gain that
Russ: and then to observe would be the next step in that.
Russ: and then what comes after that?
Omal: putting both together, listening and observing and
finally interacting, being aware, being in tune, being
able to know what to do. Doing the right thing, which is
not as easy as it sounds.
Russ: what about sense of humor in the higher dimensions?
Omal: oh, we have a good sense of humor as you have heard.
Russ: as I've heard but not as often as I hear in sixth
Russ: why? Is that because you see it.....you see
it more of the actors and actresses.
Russ: then you should be laughing at the play sad or happy
because you just see it as the play, you
don't take it as serious as if it was real life.
Omal: (chuckles) okay Karra made a very good analogy a
Omal: concerning seventh dimensional and higher
individuals. For you, you work on the scale of 23
hours 59 minutes. I work on a much longer time scale.
Omal: so I may laugh, I may make jokes and I think I make
quite a few jokes.
Russ: quite a few for....
Omal: but in the timescale of you, you see it as
occasionally. For me, I do not see it in that timescale of
Russ: ahhh. I see, so you get more of the bigger picture.
Russ: hmm, so it's tough to laugh 24 hours a day at
something that's going on for a millennium.
Russ: you'd hurt your face.
Omal: put it this way, I told a joke to Korton.
Omal: I told the joke, it would be close to a 100 years
now. This may in itself be a little bit of a joke. Korton
got back to me on the joke just a few days ago. So you see
the timescales are very different.
Omal: when I talk of watching the aurora borealis a 100,
sorry....80,000 years ago, that is not that long ago.
Russ: hmm, time just becomes meaningless?
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal takes over from where he left
Omal: put it this way, if each of your 38 years, is that
Omal: was a 100 years, one of your 38 years........just
one of those 38 years was a 100 years, how many would that
Russ: 3,800 years.
Omal: 3,800 years.
Omal: okay, how long ago was that?
Russ: it was about the point where the Egyptians were just
starting their civilization up?
Omal: actually they were at the peak of their
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: it is about the time of Ramses the first or second.
Russ: okay, so therefore the Sumerians were in pretty good
shape also as were the Babylonians.
Russ: the rest the world was pretty much in a very dark
Omal: no but continue.
Russ: right, you know basically if you were to look at the
world at that point then, yeah it would be.....a lot of
your light would be focused right there on Egypt.
Omal: now this ties in with what I was saying on the other
side of your recording about looking at the big picture.
You have just told me something that you did not say. It
was a long time ago you told me, was it?
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: was it? For you.......
Russ: from my point of view yeah.
Omal: but for me, it would be like saying last year, it's
not that long ago. Now, from what I said, what did you
Russ: well I observed you're pretty matter of fact about
it whereas to me it's an incomprehensible timescale.
Omal: I told you something very important but you did not
hear it. You said it was pretty dark ages all over.
Russ: and you said it wasn't.
Omal: correct. That should tell you something very
important, something that you did not hear or you heard it
but it did not register.
Russ: well I heard it and when I heard it I assumed you
meant stuff like up in the Netherlands where the Vikings
were still kind of getting their start but......
Omal: the Vikings weren't even in existence.
Russ: oh, okay. Give me two seconds here. 3,800 years ago.
Russ: oh yeah, India.
Russ: America was not even going at it. Peru and the
Omal: the Incas weren't even in existence then. Pre-Inca.
Russ: the Olmec's weren't even in existence yet.
Russ: well this is some 6,500 years since the downfall of
Russ: so therefore everybody's kind of just still picking
up the pieces.
Omal: I will leave this for a later time on
Omal: as you are having difficulty with it.
Omal: okay, let us move along and let us answer some of
Tia's or go over some of Tia's points. Okay her astral
travel thing, that is her field. Even though I do astral
travel, I am not the expert, you must talk to the expert
about it. Actually the expert and myself are probably the
one that she was referring to, I believe we're on the same
level when it comes to astral travel (Mark). Also let us
quickly look over....yes she is quite accurate as always
on her explanation on how to make money. I sometimes
wonder if she would be more suited to being down there
working to make money but she is here and she does an
exceptional job. Are there any more questions?
Russ: not at this time though, I think we'll save it for
(Tia returns as Ringmistress.)
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
suited to a third dimensional lifestyle and I've
got so much up here that I enjoy. Yes?
Russ: I was just saying I've got a job at the theater
Tia: I suppose I could fill that criteria, I wouldn't be
Russ: that's true.
cat have a discussion in Durondedunn.)
(Karra joins the session.)
Russ: hello love.
Karra: okay, first things first, the 20th.
Karra: let me do a quick bit of conversion here, okay.
Could you make it by 1 o'clock your time?
Russ: p.m. or a.m.?
Karra: it would be in the morning.
Karra: no that would be a.m.
Russ: oh a.m. So after midnight.
Karra: correct. Directly to Sirius for the inauguration.
You'll have a five minute period to get there, can you do
Karra: okay, if you leave earlier that's better, we can
spend some time together. I don't have to worry about
clothes for you because you will do that yourself. Okay,
if you fade out again that's fine, the formal dinner
starts about an hour and a half after that. If you are
there, you are there. If you're not, you're not. There
will be a dinner place next to me for you. Actually, it
will be across the table from me.
Karra: okay? And we will go through the greeting line and
then we will go to the announcer and the announcer will
announce us to the main room. It will be Madam President
and then you will greet her husband and then it will be
Mr. Prime Minister...ahh Mr. President and First Lady,
very much like on your planet. And then it will be the
Chancellor of, I suppose it would be the equivalent to the
Russ: the what?
Karra: the exchequer, money.
Russ: oh the banker?
Karra: well in charge of....
Russ: oh finance minister.
Karra: kind of.
Russ: Treasury Secretary.
Karra: kind of.
Russ: okay. Combination of such.
Karra: yes, it's a combination of quite a few things
Karra: and then it will be greetings to the primary
Russ: do they have wives?
Karra: yes, their wives will be present but they will not
Karra: they don't hold any office.
Karra: and then you will be presented to....what is her
title? She is the head of the house. She's in charge of
running everything within the residency. The offices, the
banquet facilities, the dining rooms, the deployment of
staff, the secretaries, everything. In fact she probably
has more power in the house then my father does.
Karra: what she says goes. It's her job to make sure
everything runs smoothly in the house. She is in charge of
making all the appointments, she is in charge of dealing
with all problems. It's her job to make sure everything
runs smoothly so she has a very important role however,
she is the last person on the line. So she is primary
Karra: and she is greeted as Madam Secretary and it's
always been a woman that's held that position.
Karra: she's only 600 years old so she's held it I think
for about 300.
Russ: and she'll do the same for your father.
Karra: it is a lifetime position.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Karra: or until she becomes or feels that she is incapable
of doing the job.
Karra: so don't upset her when you go and visit.
Russ: I won't.
Karra: okay? And of course there is Gonzo and you don't
call her Gonzo.
Karra: she is referred to.....
Russ: Madam First Lady.
Karra: no, she is referred to as my lady or Madam.
Russ: I like my lady.
Karra: and when you are presented to her, you take her
hand and kiss it.
Karra: okay? It's very important.
Russ: no problem. What about primary secretary?
Karra: primary secretary? You don't take her hand, you
just nod to her.
Karra: even though she is probably the most powerful
person in the house, she does not rank in that line very
much in the way of respect although she gets a lot of
respect of because of who she is, what she does.
Russ: right. So I nod at everybody but Gonzo.
Russ: who I take her hand and kiss it.
Russ: that's easy.
Karra: you can shake their hands if you so desire. You do
not shake the first secretary's hand. If you wish to shake
people's hands, you are welcome to.
Russ: no high-fives?
Karra: no high-fives, no give me five on the low. It is
very formal Russ.
Russ: I know.
Russ: I got it covered.
Karra: I hope so.
Russ: of course darling, I would not embarrass you as
Madam ambassador. You know me.
Karra: if I have to stay in your mind and nudge you, I
will do so. This is very important for me.
Russ: I know that love and I will be very much the perfect
first husband...or I mean ambassador's husband.
Karra: this is my first formal affair.
Russ: well everyone seems to be pretty understanding
anyway if I start fading out.
Karra: uh-huh, I hope so. Now I've seen Kiri's dress.
Karra: and it's fine by me.
Russ: okay. I'm not worried about it.
Karra: no I'm not worried about it either.
Russ: I mean if dad already said okay then that's fine.
Karra: yes, in fact I wouldn't mind one like that. In fact
I have a better chest than she does, I would look better
in it but that's between Kiri and myself.
Russ: of course.
Karra: but I would never wear a skirt quite that short. It
is formal, it is acceptable but it is a little short. My
skirt will be longer. Hers starts at the knee and works
up, mine's fuller. That's because I hold rank, she
doesn't, she can get away with it.
Russ: okay love.
Karra: I wouldn't also wear something that frilly either.
Russ: should be fun.
Karra: yes, very fun.
Russ: yeah, right. I'll be a nervous wreck.
Karra: hey, we have a few days.
Russ: true. All right, other noteworthy news, the tape on
the other day that we're working on.
Karra: sorry, I was just biting Mark's nails.
Russ: I understand.
Karra: sorry, little sight gag. Hmm yes, very informative
as always. I'd forgotten a few of those points.
Russ: yeah, me too.
Russ: and I'm not quite sure on the editorial.
Karra: what part are you having difficulty with?
Russ: well it seems too serious.
Karra: actually on this I've got to side with Mark and
Tia, I think it is a very important Hades Base News.
Russ: right but I mean the editorial doesn't reflect that
I don't think. It's not....it doesn't grip you like the
other ones do until the very end.
Karra: we worked on it together.
Karra: and would I of...even though I've been distracted,
would I have not put my heart into it?
Russ: true, you would.
Russ: but you have to remember though too, you've been
working pretty hard at this stuff.
Russ: and I have to worry that maybe you were preoccupied.
Karra: I was relaxing a little bit.
Karra: that's why it is as it is, a little lighter.
Russ: hmm, okay. So we shouldn't try to rework it too
Karra: we will rework it but we'll see how it comes out.
We'll kick ideas around.
Karra: everything can always be improved. If that's
something I've not learned from Omal, then I've learned
nothing. Everything can always be improved and everything
can always be made worse.
Russ: okay well let's see what else...oh yeah, Giardia.
Karra: umm yes, Giardia.
Russ: or whatever that is.
Karra: I haven't come across those kind of parasites in a
long time you know.
Karra: now obviously she's getting well water correct?
Russ: yeah but no one else is getting it.
Karra: uh-huh, so it has to be somewhere between the mains
or the main line and her place. So it has to be somewhere
within that 30 foot section.
Russ: well it has to go through the treatment center
before it gets to her area.
Karra: correct. So?
Russ: she's one of many who just caught the bug or just a
rare case that was susceptible to it?
Karra: well the thing is to start asking around if anybody
else in that area has got it......
Karra: and if so, what is the city going to do about it?
Karra: because they are now responsible for her getting
Russ: it is treatable though right?
Karra: oh yeah.
Karra: uh-huh, she just has to be very careful on her diet
at this time.
Karra: she can't afford to get a cold or flu or anything
else so she needs to take very good care of herself. She
needs to follow what the doctor has told her to do. Also
what she needs to do is boil all of her water and not have
it on the cooker until it reaches boiling point but when
it reaches boiling point, it stays on there for another
five minutes boiling.
Karra: and then it is put into a plastic container sealed
and straight into the refrigerator to cool it or leave it
out to cool but sealed so nothing gets in there. Or there
is another option.
Russ: get purified water from the store.
Karra: correct. Or there was a third option is that she
makes herself a still and distills the water.
Russ: I like my option I think.
Karra: yes from the store.
Russ: hmm okay, I'll work on it tomorrow.
Russ: okay, well it looks like I'm going to be working a
bit harder now.
Karra: for the time being.
Russ: for the time being. Now where were we?
Karra: and she can't come and work at the theater with you
as an assistant manager.
Russ: correct. Want the job? (Laughs)
Karra: it would certainly be a lot less stress.
Russ: yes darling, just a little light humor for you.
Karra: uh-huh. And I know what you would have me doing
besides the obvious.
Karra: colon, slash, Matilda, P, slash, green, slash,
slash, you know, Matilda, etc.
Karra: and I think....did we do it the correct way?
Russ: more or less.
Karra: in Java?
Karra: uh-huh. Okay any more questions as Tia's pointing
at the chronometer?
Russ: no darling.
Russ: we've covered everything. Bye love.
(Tia comes back to hand off to Leah.)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: okay, next speaker.
(Leah makes a rare appearance.)
Russ: is this Leah?
Russ: hi Leah.
Russ: how's it going love?
Leah: it's going good.
Leah: what can I do for you?
Russ: help me understand how all life is a stage.
Leah: it is?
Russ: that's what I hear.
Leah: you ought to talk to my little sister about that.
(Huna, aka "The Bunny Monster")
Russ: I think I will, she's coming on?
Russ: I'll wait for her then.
Russ: so how you doing sweetheart?
Leah: I'm doing good.
Russ: good, good. The Tenuvial clan is alive and well I
take it? (The family name of Leah and Huna.)
Russ: excellent. So what's all this lowland dialect I'm
Leah: (chuckles) that's between us. We would not have
talked unless it was important and private.
Russ: of course. I mean I have to put in the webpage about
your guy's dialects.
Russ: yeah. Well that's good. And all the giggling was the
Russ: that's what I was just checking on.
Russ: I figured it would be. So what's up with you
darling, how's your engineering class coming along? Did
you get that test passed?
Leah: I'm still working on it.
Russ: that was two weeks ago.
Leah: no, it was just last week.
Russ: it was just last week, that's right.
Leah: uh-huh. I've got the first one done.
Leah: and I'm working on the second project.
Leah: and unlike some lucky individuals, I don't get two
Russ: what, to go to Sirius?
Russ: you're not going huh?
Russ: oh well, we're going to miss you dear.
Leah: yes I've still got to figure out how I'm going to
wire this little problem.
Russ: well think of the advantages you'll have once you
get it all figured out.
Leah: yes, yes. I just wish that I was as smart as Huna
Russ: you'd be as smart as Kiri.
Leah: I would love to be as smart as Kiri. She goes, "it's
Russ: well you'll gain it all as you go along here.
Leah: I hope so, I really hope so.
Russ: I have faith.
Leah: uh-huh but at the moment I have distractions
slightly but they are secondary and my distractions
understand the fact that it's important that I get these
projects done first.
Russ: right. Cool, excellent. And so what else is going on
besides your schoolwork? Probably nothing.
Leah: nothing much no, got a little tipsy last night.
Russ: well that's good for you.
Russ: probably need to break away from the school grind.
Leah: yes, it was enjoyable actually.
Russ: oh good. Hmm, now do you have to go back to Sirius
for any really intense classes?
Leah: I have a week in February where I will be on Sirius
where I have to give an oral.
Russ: (chuckles) okay.
Leah: why do you laugh?
Russ: well I thought Huna would be in charge of giving
orals. (An inside joke as Huna is quite sexually active)
Leah: yeah, she'll be giving an oral at some time. She's
just a first year student, I'm a third-year student.
Leah: we give orals once a year.
Russ: I'm sorry love, it's a joke.
Leah: I don't understand.
Russ: an oral would be a form of physical expression of
Leah: oh you mean like giving head.
Russ: (laughs) an oral yes. Giving an oral and I'm like
Leah: no I'm giving an oral report.
Russ: I know, I know darling. You have been studying too
Leah: I still don't see where it's funny and Huna's
looking at me shaking her head and so is Kiri.
Russ: it's a third dimensional thing maybe.
Leah: oh. Tia says to say that you are an MCP.
Russ: well anyway, I'll be looking forward to hearing
about your success with this second project.
Leah: uh-huh, okay I get the point and Tia's saying....
Russ: bye my love.
(Tia is back but not for very long.)
Tia: yes you are an MCP, now don't you forget
Russ: how could I, you remind me every night?
(Kiri ends the night with an incredible
Kiri: I like how Tia does that you know?
Kiri: she'll stick her head in as Leah's getting out and
talk over Leah as Leah's getting up and everything and
then gives me enough time to slide in.
Russ: oh cool.
Kiri: oh we have quite a.......
Kiri: a congregation of some political (winds? Sirian
maybe?) or felines. Oh sorry Tia, I didn't mean to do
Russ: what'd you do.
Kiri: it's not important.
Russ: ahhh, okay. How are you my love?
Kiri: I'm doing good.
Russ: good. This is Kiri I'm assuming.
Kiri: of course.
Russ: nobody handles the body quite like you do dear.
Russ: must be years and years of practice.
Russ: cool. You still haven't got that little finger up
though right? That's better. (She demonstrates the proper
English way to drink tea.)
Kiri: is that how he drinks it?
Russ: well that's how you're supposed to drink it come on
Kiri: this is actually going to be probably my first
formal function where I don't wear something slightly
Russ: well that's all right, I'm not going to worry about
Kiri: this is going to be tricky actually.
Russ: well what are you going to do?
Kiri: no, this is good to be tricky for Mark.
Russ: oh, why?
Kiri: cause she's not in there.
Russ: she's not in where? Oh, Mongi. (One of the house
Russ: so that's why you mentioned Tia.
Kiri: yes, okay. Okay in all seriousness, what can I do
Russ: well my dear, how come you're so smart?
Kiri: because I study.
Russ: hmm, for years and years and years.
Kiri: uh-huh. Because I told Mark something very important
and it's something that I actually practice.
Russ: and that is?
Kiri: learn at least one new thing, at least one new thing
Russ: good point.
Kiri: now I made it little harder on myself. I've got to
learn something really good, one new thing every day. It's
no good let's say, learning how to use a match. (Holds up
a strike anywhere match.) That doesn't count. Learning how
to wire a microphone, doesn't count. It's got a be
something really useful.
Russ: what about trying to light the match without using
Kiri: that is different, that would be
Russ: that would be pretty damn tricky.
Kiri: uh-huh, Tia can do it.
Russ: Tia can do it?
Russ: I didn't know PK could light matches.
Kiri: well she'd just rub it on something else.
Russ: oh yeah. I mean like create the heat around it
enough to spark the match.
Kiri: yeah but yes, that is something that I try to learn,
one new thing every day.
Russ: what if you don't learn it?
Kiri: I do.
Russ: but what if you don't? What if you can't learn how
to light that match without a striker?
Kiri: I'll keep going until I do.
Russ: but what if the day gets over?
Kiri: my day's not over until I go to bed.
Russ: oh, so you're not worried about clocks?
Kiri: (chuckles) unfortunately I am but if I'm going to
learn something new, then it's something that I know that
I can figure out. There have been a few times where I
haven't learned something new in a day.
Russ: you remember those?
Kiri: uh-huh. I remember them because I remember the
Russ: amazing. Hmm, so you can't just look at a map and
go, "oh, the capital of Omaha is..."
Kiri: no, no. It has to be something useful and hard. Not
overly hard, something that you know you can achieve.
So what was your new thing today?
Kiri: oh it was the wiring of a transductor.
Russ: oh, and it worked?
Kiri: it took me all day, took me eight hours
but I did it.
Russ: what was the usefulness of that?
Kiri: usefulness of that? That's the connecting link
between a computer, from one computer to another.
Russ: why don't you just have a cable that plugs into each
Kiri: it kind of is but it's the wiring of it that's
important. There's a chip that's or a little unit that's
about that big right?
Kiri: and it's got probably about a 100 to 200 connections
within it and that's what I was wiring and it's
getting it in a sequential order to do so so that the
transferral is (snaps her fingers). For example let's say
if I was using your laptop with a transductor in there
I was using it on Mark's computer.
Kiri: which you can't do but the transductor means that it
Kiri: right? And I wanted information from Mark's
computer, I access it and it translates, hence
the trans right? And it brings it across and instead of it
going (Chook, Chook, Chook) and taking maybe a nanosecond,
it is instantaneous.
Kiri: and it translates. So what I could do is I
could use it on my computer up here and link it to your
computer down there if I had a long enough cable.
Russ: that'd be a long cable.
Kiri: uh-huh. Or if I had your computer and it would speed
it up to the speed of mine.
Kiri: instead of slowing mine down, it brings it up to
your speed. Actually it would probably fry your hard drive
but I'd get the information off.
Russ: yeah it'd be like (birzz).
Kiri: hey wait a second, there's a switch in there that
will make it go down to a point where it's neither
bad......it's not bad for either computer.
Kiri: it's a pretty little smart unit actually.
Russ: and you did that all by yourself?
Russ: impressive. In eight hours?
Kiri: in eight hours.
Kiri: apparently it's a three-hour job.
Russ: oh, it's already been done?
Kiri: oh yeah it's been done but it was new for me.
Russ: oh I see, I see.
Russ: I see, these are widely distributed kind of things?
Kiri: yeah. I had a bit of free time, in fact I have
tomorrow totally free.
Russ: oh cool.
Kiri: because I've got everything I should be doing done.
I can either work on the channeling set up or I can take
the day off, which I think I might take the day off and
spend it with Mark.
Russ: hmm. So why don't you learn how to figure out some
little thing that can go in and maintain the balance of
the salmon in Dolphin Lake? (The salmon population had
gotten larger than it should be.)
Kiri: that's not my field, I'm not a marine biologist.
You'd have to talk to Alana.
Russ: hmmm, there is not an engineering solution to that
problem you don't think?
Kiri: yes actually I've got a very good engineering
solution to it.
Russ: which is?
Kiri: well it's actually a thermostat that you stick into
the fish and it cooks it from the inside out and the skin
just peels off.
Russ: all right......
Kiri: that's after you've cleaned it and everything.
Russ: of course.
Kiri: takes probably about a minute and a half. It's not
anywhere as good as actually barbecuing it or really
Russ: right, but if you're in a hurry.
Kiri: and it's only a real little unit as well, I made
Russ: hmm. So it's like an internal microwave?
Kiri: yeah and it doesn't give off any harmful
rays, it doesn't destroy the flavor and it's pretty good.
And when you peel the skin off, you know is all the
moisture and everything is kept in and all the waste and
everything, the excess, is you know filtered into the
skin. So basically what you can do, is let's say you're
trapped in the middle of nowhere, you happen to have a
a rabbit or anything else that you wish to cook.
You stick this little thing which is about the size of
your screwdriver, pass the screwdriver over. (A
screwdriver in the room is passed over to Kiri.)
Kiri: uh-huh. You stick it in right?
Kiri: and you press the button and it cooks it.
Kiri: and then you take the skin off and you've got the
cooked material inside. So you could actually, let's say
this is stuck inside a salmon and it's in the salmon
right? The salmon happens to be touching the floor right?
It cooks it, you peel the skin off and you've got
perfectly cleaned, cooked fish on the inside.
Kiri: you just don't eat the skin.
Russ: and you came up with this?
Russ: pretty amazing.
Kiri: yeah I came up with it when I was oh.....I guess
like 25 at the time. I was going on a camping trip with a
Kiri: yeah we were going up to the high meadow where the pink flowers are.
Russ: I still say you're a genius.
Kiri: no I'm not a genius.
Russ: I know, I know but I still say you are so
Kiri: Huna's a genius.
Russ: Huna hasn't invented a little thing that you stick
Russ: that's pretty damn tricky.
but Huna is a genius and her intelligence
is growing. If I was as smart as she was, I would
be a genius.
Kiri: I mean an IQ of 107, 207 sorry, is normal, well it
is just a tad above normal.
Russ: hmm still, I'm pretty impressed.
Russ: it's a handy little tool, survival tool.
Kiri: uh-huh. It's a good little camping tool.
Russ: oh yeah, is it widely distributed?
Russ: wow. Does it say Kiri on the side?
doesn't say anything like that.
Russ: it's just a button.
Kiri: just a button.
Russ: hmm. Good PR department would have a field day with
Russ: well third dimensional wise.
Kiri: it is a survival tool.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: you can't put a price on a survival tool.
Russ: yeah it would be like putting a price on your life.
Russ: still, handy little bugger.
Russ: good job.
Kiri: yeah people use it for camping, people that spend a
lot of time in the wilderness doing research and stuff
carry them because they're very useful. Why should I want
to put my name on something that is useful for everyone?
Russ: well I'm just......
Kiri: why would I want to even sell it and market it as
Russ: well you wouldn't. Not on sixth dimension.
Kiri: no, it's something I don't comprehend. It is not a
luxury item, it is not a fashion item, it is useful tool.
Useful tools cost nothing.
Russ: see I'm still trying to get used to your monetary
Kiri: no, that's a necessity.
Russ: that's a necessity.
Russ: clothing is a luxury.
Kiri: no, swimsuits are luxuries.
Russ: swimsuits are luxuries.
Kiri: uh-huh. Lingerie is luxuries.
Russ: what else is luxuries?
Kiri: clothing that is to show off the body.
Kiri: ski equipment, anything that is not a necessity.
Russ: hmm, decorative plants?
Kiri: that's not a necessity.
Russ: just checking. Okay stained glass, definitely a
Kiri: depends on where you are. If you are down in the
southern parts near the deserts and everything.........
Kiri: stained glass is used to decrease temperatures in
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: air-conditioning in the mountains is a luxury. Down
in the lowlands in the desert areas, it's not. Heaters
down in the desert area are a luxury, up in the mountains
Russ: nobody sets these prices right?
Kiri: correct. It's what the area and the environment
dictates. For example, if you go down to where Huna and
Leah grew up right?
Kiri: swimsuits are a necessity depending on what type of
Russ: okay so your line of swimsuits would cost them wine.
(Kiri has a popular line of swimsuits she normally trades
Kiri: correct or whatever the person who is....
Russ: clams or whatever.
Russ: but a basic swimsuit........
Russ: is a necessity.
Russ: so it should be free.
Russ: now, how do they get ahold of your swimsuits and pay
for it in their....?
Kiri: they go to the retailer.
Russ: which is where?
Kiri: all over the place.
Russ: in any major city?
Kiri: all over the place.
Russ: it's all over the place.
there are shops all over the place. My stuff is sold in
very exclusive places.
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: which sells lots of other luxury items. For example,
let us say you are an entertainer.
Kiri: right? And you have lingerie as part of your
Kiri: that's a necessity. You can't do your entertainment
without that lingerie.
Russ: so do they go into your shop where you have your
Kiri: no. My lingerie, there are a lot that look like it,
Kiri: a lot that look like it. But what sets mine apart is
the fact that they're custom-made for individuals.
Russ: oh, but what if an entertainer wants just yours?
Kiri: then she has to pay for it.
Russ: they do?
Kiri: correct. My swimsuits, my lingerie, my clothing line
are all luxury items designed to show off the body.
Kiri: my little utensil, is not.
Kiri: it is a necessity.
Russ: okay. So it's based on logic.
Russ: not based on need.
Kiri: correct. For example, let us say you want to buy
some really sexy clothing for the beach.
Kiri: right? You pay for that.
Kiri: right? Let us say you want to buy my line of warm
clothing, you pay for that. But let us say you want to buy
the warm clothing down in the desert, you really pay for
it's not a necessity.
Kiri: but up in the mountains, you just pay for it at a
lesser rate then you would elsewhere.
Russ: okay, now let's say I want to get one of these.
because I'm going
off in the desert to do some survival stuff.
Russ: okay, what I do?
Kiri: you go into probably one of our local, it's close to
a sporting goods store I would say and you would just walk
in and you walk up to the register and say I'm going off
into the wilderness, I would like to have one. They hand
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh. They would expect some service in
Russ: like what?
Kiri: if you had one. Let us say that there was a spill on
five, you'd go over and clean it up.
Kiri: and if you didn't do a very good job so what? It's
your karma and we're not going to have time to
put Bunny on. Besides, Bunny's flirting.
Russ: okay. Interesting point though.
Russ: now, if I want to get a swimsuit, it's not your line
but I do live at the beach.
Russ: I go in and say, "I need a swimsuit". They give you
the swimsuit and then you owe them?
Kiri: yeah, I owe them a favor. You owe them a service. If
you can't do the service on the spot.
Kiri: let's say there was a empty shelf.
Kiri: right? Well you could go over and clean the shelf,
straighten up some shelving, do whatever. Let's say
they've got a delivery in, you go and give them a hand.
Russ: okay, or if they have a delivery to make, you
make a delivery.
Kiri: that's right.
Russ: interesting. And they set the deed to the worth of
Kiri: no, you do.
Russ: you do?
Russ: oh, and they base it on karma.
Russ: and you have millions of people doing this every
Kiri: uh-huh, I'll tell you something funny. I was a
little girl, God I must've been oh probably no more than
six or seven and mother and myself were at the
store and I wanted some candy.
Kiri: right? And there was a box of candy lying on the
floor that had just been put there to be put on the shelf, I
put them on the shelf and it picked out one for myself.
Kiri: and I went up and presented it and it was mine.
Russ: fair enough.
Russ: interesting, this is going to be a good part for the
Russ: I'm kind of looking forward to putting this on
there. What about books?
Russ: or holograms or.....
Kiri: educational stuff is in a totally different category
of its own.
Russ: it's all free.
Kiri: it's all free but you bring it back when you're
finished with it.
Russ: ahhh, okay.
Kiri: bring it back when you're finished.
Russ: so what about......so your things that you study in
college, those items that you studied are still accessible
but on a computer?
Kiri: correct. They're all on disk.
Russ: they're all on disk.
Kiri: actually, I have copies of some of the really
Kiri: educational stuff, there is no price for it.
Russ: what about food?
Russ: yeah, what if you're hungry and you want to go out
to eat at a restaurant? You do the dishes afterwards?
Kiri: that is a luxury.
Kiri: that is a luxury. What service can you do or what
can you trade?
Russ: similar to the corner bar? (A drinking and eating establishment
near Kiri, Tia and Mark's apartment.)
Russ: when you go into the corner bar and drink, it helps
if you take a bottle of wine with you.
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