this session is a follow-up to the first podcast
to be posted called Etiquette coming three weeks
later but much closer to Karra and Kiri's father's
inauguration as the President of Sirius. The bulk
of the session has an economic theme. First with
Tia giving a truly informative look at Earths
economies and markets with Kiri finishing with a
an even more informative look at the economy of
6th dimensional Sirius through an invention of
hers I call the Salmon Wand.
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(Tia starts off the
Russ: and how's it going tonight?
Tia: it's going good, good, good,
good, good, good, good.
Tia: okay, there's a lot going on
Russ: yeah one or two things.
Tia: well there's the Iraqi thing.
Tia: which is going again.
did I say? I said it would go again and it will
and it will get sorted out and it will go again. (sighs)
That's Pugsley right?
(one of the house
Tia: okay, the stock market and its
yo-yos. Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo-yo, up and down, up and
down. Again, what did I say? The
start of the year it would do some wild things.
It's doing pretty wild so I think that's two
points for me as opposed to saying that the
Steelers would win, that's a minus I think but
that was just off the cuff. Well
you weren't thinking at looking at the
facts. Umm okay, what else is going on on the
topics tonight? Ahh, fiscal monetary collapses and
the factoring in with the fiscal goings on in the
market hmmm? Okay, how does that work,
how does that factor in? Well, about a year and
six months ago, I made the comments about the
reason for the problems that are coming would be
an external source, that there was a high
probability that that would be the case and
it looks like unfortunately I'm right again. What
to do, what to do? I know, astral travel and
answers and questions.
Tia: okay do you have questions?
Russ: on astral travel?
Russ: what about the technique of
imagining yourself at the foot of the bed and then
directing your consciousness to that imagination?
That visualization you make.
Tia: yes that does work in some
cases. I don't personally recall having ever done
that and I'm pretty sure Mark has never done that
and if he continues swearing like that I'm going
to scratch his eyes out.
(a cat at the door
was making a lot of noise)
Russ: well I would
almost bet he would continue doing that. Want me
to throw him out the back door here?
Tia: where is he, he's out there
Russ: he's in the garage.
Tia: yes. Let him in and then throw
him out the back door, that will keep him happily
entertained for a few.
Tia: whilst I talk about astral
travel and imagining your consciousness at the
foot of the bed routine. Well, this again is
another technique that is worth exploring. The
exploration of that technique is something that
should be done.........tell you what, let
him in and let him get a bite to eat.
Tia: that's what he's demanding is
food. There he goes straight off for
the food right?
Tia: okay, and in using various
techniques and experimentation with those
techniques will give an individual the best feel
for what technique works for her or him. The
techniques that we have described work for us and
have worked in trials up here for us. So therefore
it's not right for us to say that those are the
appropriate ones to use, it's just alternatives to
try and whatever works for the individual works
regardless of the fact of whether it is doing the
laying down in a circle and using candles or a 10
deep and 10 shallow listening to nice, soothing
music. Those are just two possible ways of astral
traveling. You can get as many astral travel
masters together as you can from different
countries and they will talk and they will pick
out certain things that are working for them. But
cobbling all those ideas together and coming up
with the right formula that works for everyone is
something that would be difficult. As for
projecting your consciousness to the foot of the
bed and traveling from there, that is just another
kind of astral travel.
Russ: hmm okay. So best bet is
maintaining a calm, using the
breathing and projecting yourself in the ways we
Tia: no, I didn't say that. What I
said was that what works for the individual works
for the individual, experimentation
is the best thing. Our methods work up here and
the other method that is used in the how
to astral travel is something that Mark and
myself worked on together that works also well but
I did not say that they were the only ones.
Tia: they are other possible ways of
astral traveling. And to re-go over what I just
said, there are a myriad of possible ways to
Russ: okay, now when you're switching
dimensions, is there any way that you can ease
that process up?
Tia: I don't see that there is. It
does get eased up with more and more usage and
practice certainly but the rough
crossover appears to be part of it.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Tia: it's a little bit like the early
vessels that you had that were breaking the sound
Tia: for them to start off with it
was a real choppy, jumpy movement and as the
pilots progressed on to better and better
aircraft, it got easier and easier and smoother
Russ: hmmm, so basically you just at
first, you get kind of scared going through that.
Tia: uh-huh. I wouldn't say scared,
anxiety and adrenaline rush.
Russ: right, once you go through
there though you're connected by your silver cord
so if you have any problems it can draw you right
Tia: yes uh-huh.
Russ: okay, good
Tia: yeah, it's something that should
not be worrying. If you're not ready to do it, you
can't do it full-stop, end of
discussion, end of subject, end of matter period,
bunmfp, that's it. But if you are ready and you
can do it and you have the power and the
capability and the technical knowledge on how to
do it, it shouldn't present too much of a problem
apart from the fact of the adrenaline, the
excitement of doing it.
Russ: well now we didn't really talk
about the technical knowledge of doing it, all
we've discussed is the theoretical
Russ: followed by Mark's descriptions
of going through it and mine is a little bit
Russ: so what technical knowledge
would be necessary for someone just starting out
who wishes to do this?
Tia: well the technical knowledge
would be knowing the correct point of exiting,
necessary speed to be achieved to do the
Russ: is that different with
Tia: it varies from person to person
to a certain extent. There are key
things that are the same, the
building feeling of as you approach it the
excitement increases and increases and that's also
the energy building up that's enough to project,
to create the breach for you to jump through.
Russ: I see.
Tia: those are pretty much common
things throughout all astral travel. All
trans-dimensional astral travel should I say. Okay
the technical data is the necessary velocity
increases as the approach for the jump occurs.
Obviously the faster you go, the quicker you
achieve it, the more energy is built up to be able
to make the penetration for the jump and
the projection necessary to create the breach or
hole is the same amount for everyone. It just
depends on how much energy a person is capable of
projecting for that purpose. As the energy builds
up and as the critical moment is approached, the
energy is focused in such a way ahead of the
person that it creates the breach or hole as the
person approaches. Now obviously the hole seals up
directly behind the person and seals around the
umbilical cord that keeps them in touch with their
third dimensional or sixth dimensional world. Now
it's a constant same buildup either way, coming or
going, making the
jump from or to and the velocity
that is achieved at that critical moment coupled
with the energy creates the jump. The more energy
that is put in of course, the faster the jump
which also goes with the velocity. However, if the
hole closes before you reach it, then you do not
go slap bang into a wall, you just carry on going
as you were in the same dimension just
getting faster and faster as you would expect as
you approach the velocity that is necessary to
make the jump. However, if you have already
projected the energy and the hole closed before
you achieved the correct velocity, then that
doesn't matter because you can always project more
energy in to do the same thing if you have the
energy reserves to do it.
Tia: now if something does go wrong,
the friction created on the umbilical cord reopens
the hole so that you can pop out.
Russ: oh I see.
Tia: uh-huh. It pulls you back and no
more elapsed time has passed then would normally
be expected in the duration of the jump. You see,
when you go through into the fourth dimension
before you head to the fifth dimension, the cord
slides along with you. It doesn't stay stationary
at let us pick a fictional time of about 9:30. It
continues sliding up through all the time
possibilities and variabilities,
slide around your umbilical cord as it progresses
on up on the relevant time. So when you make the
reentry and you are spooling in your umbilical
cord as it were.....there is a word I hate to say,
spooling........then it moves up
with you, otherwise you would be reentering at the
exact same time that you left which would be very,
very difficult to achieve.
Tia: now, with duration jumps, it is
slightly different on the umbilical cord due
to the fact that the elapsed time may be five
hours but you actually return an hour after you
left. That involves a little bit of tricky stuff
which I'm not fully comprehensible on, you'd have
to talk to the experts on that.
Russ: okay now what about the
abilities to jump from the third to the seventh
Tia: well basically they are very
similar, it just
takes more energy to make all those various energy
buildups and jumps. For example, when Mark goes
from or you go from the third dimension to the
fourth dimension, what you are doing is projecting
energy to breach the fourth and then energy to
breach into the fifth.
Tia: it's just more projection of
energy for the jumps. For example on the 20th, I
believe you have been invited to a formal function
on the sixth dimension.
Tia: and the energy that is necessary
is not for a jump to the fifth but a jump to the
sixth. So you go from the third to the fourth as
your first jump point, to the fifth, that's the
second jump point, to the sixth which is your
third jump point. You just need a third more
energy than you normally do.
Russ: I see. And it's
just though the seventh you would go another one.
Russ: what changes are you going to
recognize in the seventh then you would in the
Tia: I don't know, I've never been
Russ: oh. I guess it's a question of
clarity, I'll ask Omal.
Russ: hmm, interesting question
Tia: yeah, it is.
Russ: okay. I can't think of
anything else on astral travel.
Tia: okay, do you have any other
questions in my field of expertise?
Russ: yeah Indonesia.
Tia: that was my obtuse fiscal
Russ: oh I figured that.
Tia: what is going on? What is going
on? And what have you been eating?
Tia: you, making gaseous
Russ: I'm not actually, that's
(another one of the house
Tia: well maybe we should vent him
outside for that?
Russ: okay, come on Calvin.
Tia: but yes, Indonesia, Indonesia
and its fiscal problems and the loans from various
governmental agencies and it's not just Indonesia
that is having problems.
Russ: oh yeah, Thailand, China, Hong
Tia: uh-huh and their
unwillingness to make changes in their economic
practices and the annoyance of fiscal bailouts of
U.S. and other European governments that have
given the fiscal bailout and their anger at those
countries not being prepared to make the necessary
Russ: well how do we expect to get
paid back from those loans?
Tia: I don't know, I don't know what
people were thinking. I don't fully understand
what is going on. I don't think they fully
understand what's going on.
Russ: well for example if they don't
pay, do we foreclose on the country?
Tia: (laughs) well would
that mean that everybody would get a piece of
Indonesia, Hong Kong, China, Singapore?
Russ: now the reason they're bailing
them out is to prevent a worldwide collapse
Tia: no.......yes, that
is their belief.
Russ: and all they're doing is
slowing down the process.
Tia: they're postponing the
Russ: so in essence, they're just
throwing good money after bad.
Russ: and what is causing these
collapses in the first place? I mean
we never have really
Tia: okay what is causing it......
Russ: is it drought or a rice
shortage or what?
Tia: actually it is quite a
number of factors. It's the fact that there was a
boom and during the boom, they used money to buy
things and because they were having a boom, people
extended them credit and they used that credit
after.......well not so much after but whilst they
were having the boom to be able to purchase more
stuff. Now the notes are becoming due and of
course the boom has long gone.
us take Japan. In the mid-'80's they went crazy
and started buying properties all over the United
States. And the banks were having a
boom and the stock market was having a boom in
Japan and the Nikkei average was climbing and
climbing and climbing and everybody was having a
wonderful time. So, U.S. businesses go, "oh, well
Japan's a good investment,
loan them, the banks and the companies, money so
that they can buy property at exorbitantly high
rates and in turn we will get paid back plus the
interest and we'll have more money."
Tia: so, that happened,
Japanese paid exorbitant fees for such places as
Heavenly (Ski Resort) and they stretched
themselves. Then things started to happen that no
longer was there a boom but the cycle had gone a
complete circle and was going the same way but in
reverse, that things were contracting. There was
no longer the money going around to make the
loans....to be able to pay the loans and in turn
they had to start selling off their assets to make
Russ: so basically Heavenly,
Tia: Sable Point.
Russ: Sable Point, all
were sold to cover the interest rates and the
loans that were borrowed from.
Tia: correct. However, and this is
where it gets a little tricky and this is going to
open up your eyes up tremendously Russ,
the Japanese were buying and having finally bought
their companies, let us take the Japanese that
Tia: they were still in a point of
boom. So, with the money that they had, they went
out and got more loans to put in more equipment.
When they sold, they sold the debts as well. So
that for example Steamboat, Heavenly and Sable Point
owed X number of millions of dollars. When the
Japanese sold out, those debts were transferred to
the new owners. The Japanese did not negotiate a
very good deal unfortunately, in
fact they have a balloon payment coming up. So,
when the new owners of Heavenly bought Heavenly,
they took on the debts and also have to make those
Russ: so they're hoping
for a really good year right now?
Tia: oh yeah. They're hoping for a
couple of really good years.
Russ: well they might get them.
Tia: well they might.
Russ: hmmm, okay......
Tia: they might.
Russ: now and so basically we're
seeing the collapse coming from outside in?
Tia: what did I say a year and six
Russ: right but what about Germany,
France, England, those countries?
Tia: they're getting affected as
Russ: well I know England has a
Russ: well no, they've got a really
strong possessions within Hong Kong and China.
Russ: they're very committed to those
Russ: so a lot of their investments
and everything are all tied to those banks and
Tia: not as much as they once were,
lot of people did get out......
Tia: and re-invested elsewhere in
such places as the United States and Japan.
Tia: Japan again and their own
markets. So, let us look at those countries. Well
the British stock market, the Paris stock exchange
and Frankfurt are all doing the same thing as the
United States. Up and down, up and down, up and
down like a yo yo. And because they're invested
and are pulling their money out of foreign markets
which is making the foreign markets go down and up
and down as investors chop and change as investors
do looking for a quick profit, their
markets do the same thing because if you take
money or take shares from one place, sell
them let us say in the United kingdom, you sell
your shares, let's say you have a million shares
in the BBC. I don't think you can do that because
it's a national corporation. Let
us say British Petroleum, BP. You have a million
shares in BP right?
Kiri: you sell those million right?
Which means that the price has to go down.
Tia: okay whether or not you've made
a profit, the price goes down okay? It depends on
the margin of profit from the initial investment.
You take that and invest it in let us say Japan.
which makes the price in Japan go up. Now you make
a profit and the following day you see the market
starts to go back down so you sell there which
makes the market go down even more preferably
for a profit and reinvest it, let us say back in
the London market which means the London market
goes back up whereas the other day it went down,
you're now watching it as it goes back up. Or you
pick a market where it is going up and invest in
there and force it up even higher and then if
you're clever enough, if you're playing the 24
hour game, you would go from let us say, let us
start off with Japan, you sell in Japan in the
morning and as evening comes around, you buy into
the British stock market as that is going up and
at the end of the day as it has gone up, you sell
there just as the market reaches lunchtime 12
o'clock New York time or Chicago, you buy in there
as that goes up which means that you're making
money. But as you're pulling out of each market,
you're pulling out when it starts to go down.
Russ: hmm interesting.
Tia: see what I'm....what's
Tia: but those are making real quick
profits real fast and making a real quick
turnaround. Where you were may be making a
$1,000.00 on each market.
Tia: but there again can also easily
lose that or you may only be making a few hundred
clear profit after trader's fees.
Russ: okay so how fragile is the
markets right now?
Tia: very fragile. By looking at the
markets and the increases like 86 points today and
the drop last Friday of I forget how high it was
or how low it was.
Russ: well something that
is interesting is, I was watching TV the other day
and it was like four or five in the morning and
the Nikkei and the Hong Kong and the Chinese Hang
Seng had all lost massive amounts of...
Russ: and basically they were looking
at a major collapse or major crash....well not
crash but a downturn in the American stock market.
Russ: and then by the end of the day
everything was up.
Russ: all across the board.
Russ: what happened?
Tia: well what happened was that
investors saw an opportunity to make a quick
profit because it was down and they rush in which
pushes it up.
Tia: let us say you start off in the
morning when it was down 130 points right?
Tia: and you put in $10,000 into the
market right? You may make a couple hundred
dollars profit by the end of the day.
Tia: would you like to make a couple
hundred dollars profit in one day?
Russ: I wouldn't want to lose a
couple hundred dollars on it just in case.
Tia: but that's what ended up
Tia: is that all these investors
rushed in because it was down low and pushed the
price up and made a profit. Whereas if some bad
news had come out right?
Tia: they could just as easily pulled
out and not rushed in and said, "okay,
let's wait until Tuesday morning or Monday morning
and see what happens then over the weekend."
Russ: interesting. Well thank you
Tia, that was very informative.
Tia: uh-huh. It's not so much
watching the market, it is watching how or rather
knowing how people react.
Russ: hmm, yeah well you can't
control the news.
Tia: correct but how
people react to the news, if you know that right?
Tia: then you can make a profit. How
are people going to react to good news and bad
news and what is good news and bad news? Let us
say in 1929 right? You picked a small little
company, let us say you picked a small fledgling
company called McDonnell Douglas or Fairchild.
Okay, you invested let us say a $1,000.00 and
bought something like a 1,000 shares. Do you know
how much that thousand shares would be worth
Tia: that's a lot of money isn't it?
Tia: where did you get that figure
Russ: stock for McDonnell Douglas is
$45.00 a share right now.
Tia: uh-huh. Pretty good profit huh?
Russ: pretty good.
Tia: so, if you were to build
yourself a time machine, what would you do?
Russ: go back and find out the
results of, no the results of all the Super Bowls
back at least 20 years.
Tia: oh that's easy to do, just go
and buy a book it tells you what
all the results were for the last 20 years.
Russ: right. And just go ahead and
bet on them all on the way coming back.
Tia: oh I see, why not just travel
forward in time and pick up a book telling you the
scores in the results of all the sporting fixtures
just like supposedly happened in " Back to the
Russ: yep, that's where
I got that idea.
Russ: well it won't happen so no
problem then. Well it's all right, I'm
pretty disgusted right now anyway.
Russ: ahhh just too much weirdness in
the world. I mean people so concerned with money
that they forget everything else except trivial
enjoyment. Those who love trivial enjoyment so
much, they forget all about things like morality
Tia: oh really?
Russ: and there's very few really
people who are concerned with other people.
Tia: there is more than you think.
Russ: well a temporary concern maybe.
Tia: should I?
Russ: I get the feeling that anything
financial crashes and otherwise that happen are
only for the good. Wake people up.
(Tia and the cat have disagreement
Tia: she doesn't understand
playfulness does she?
Russ: okay love.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Omal comes on
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: it has been some
time has it not?
Russ: it has indeed.
Omal: approximately a month.
Russ: uh-huh, it's nice to see you
Omal: thank you and it is good to see
you too. I believe you have a question for me to
answer your question. It is different in the feel,
the more in tune with the surroundings, the more
vibrations from the surroundings, the more feeling
of familiarity. The fact that in the seventh
dimension, the trees are more aware, the rocks are
more aware. Everything is more connected in the
awareness of each other.
Russ: hmm. So all things manifest?
Omal: yes. Being a manifestor myself,
I am more in tune than other seventh dimensional
beings with my surroundings in my awareness,
the feelings of familiarity, the feelings of being
Russ: so when you manifest something,
is that something aware?
Omal: for me yes.
Russ: so isn't that sort of like
Omal: what is God?
Russ: well I mean the version of God
that would be called a creator.
Omal: so, when you create a webpage,
are you being a God?
Russ: well the point of it is though,
with the awareness that you feel.
me take it to another point,
Russ: in her channeling to us.......
Russ: reflected heavily on the fact
that we're all actors and actresses.
Russ: and is that something you get
into as the higher dimensions go up? You see more
of the play?
Omal: she does love to use analogies
does she not?
Omal: yes, you are more aware of the
play. Instead of seeing just the actors on
the stage, the backdrop on the stage, the music
coming from the orchestra pit, you are more in
tune with the movements of the actors. The fact
that on the mantelpiece maybe there is a clock,
maybe there is something else as well. You see
more of the picture, you see more of the actor's
movements. The fact that the lead person that is
talking, who is doing their poor actor that struts
and frets their hour upon the stage, the person
behind them may be leaning on one arm looking at
them quizzically. The person to the left may be
watching with their hands on their hips. The other
person on the left part of the stage may be
looking more into the audience and somebody else
may still be walking towards the speaker that is
strutting and fretting their hour upon the stage.
Instead of being just aware of the speaker and the
backdrop and the orchestra, you are more in tune
with what I've just mentioned plus what they are
wearing. The fabric that they are wearing, the
texture, the color, the smells, the odors, the
body movements, the body language, the meaning in
their movements. You see no longer is it just a
person on the stage speaking and acting, it is an
Russ: hmm. Well Korton has often said
that it's very important to listen to what is
Omal: that is a higher dimensional
outlook as well as something that is very useful
and should be done on a third dimensional level.
Russ: right. Now let's take what you
just said. This is more in the way of not only
listening to the words of the play, but more
paying attention to all the detail besides the
Omal: yes, the detail may have some
meaning. For example, let us say that you have a
person that is playing a scene that is all
depressed and on the table is a dagger. It is
there, it was there when the curtain came up but
you see the dagger. You are aware of the dagger
and the person who is playing a depressed scene,
they grab the dagger and they stab themselves in
the heart. You see?
Omal: you are more aware
of what is going on. You see more detail, you know
the fact that they are planning something, the
knife plays a part.
is a lady in the kitchen, this is on a stage. In
the kitchen, you see that the table is
set. She is complaining the fact that her husband
is late. Now what does this tell you? She is in
the kitchen. On the kitchen table is a knife, a
fork, spoon, a napkin, a candle, a wineglass or
two wineglasses, two plates, two knives, two
forks, two spoons, what does this tell you?
Russ: it tells you she is preparing
for more people to eat the dinner.
Omal: it tells you something more
than that. How often does a person have a candle
on the table with wineglasses?
Russ: it tells you that maybe someone
special is coming to dinner.
Omal: good, now
she is complaining. What does that
Russ: that he's late?
Omal: good. Put it all together. She
is cooking a special dinner or has cooked a
special dinner. She is expecting somebody of
importance and she has set up accordingly and that
person is late.
Russ: I see.
Omal: so it is being more aware of
the goings-on. Being more observant. For example,
look around this room.
Omal: what does it tell you?
Russ: it's a place of study and a
place of work.
Omal: now what kind of people have
been in this room?
Russ: people who come just to learn.
Omal: more, there's more than that
that is told. We're talking about observation.
Russ: well if you look
at the tapes.......
Russ: you would see that there's mass
amounts of information stored here and that the
people coming here are here to gain the
information that is given.
Omal: there is also some thinking
going on in here.
Omal: there is a picture that
indicates that. There is also culture as in the
pottery. There is a reminder or a keepsake from a
young lady. There is a lot of energy,
is a lot of humor.
Omal: a lot of healing. So it is not
just a place where people come to study. It is a
place filled with memories, humor, knowledge,
energy and I could go on listing.
Russ: right. I see what you mean.
Omal: it is a room that has had a lot
of love, I'm not talking about the love for all
things, I'm talking about the love between people.
Omal: it has had some
physical love. These are all echoed in little
pieces throughout the room.
Russ: so the first step is to listen,
to gain that knowledge.......
Russ: and then to observe would be
the next step in that.
Russ: and then what comes after that?
Omal: putting both together,
listening and observing and finally interacting,
being aware, being in tune, being able to know
what to do. Doing the right thing, which is not as
easy as it sounds.
Russ: what about sense of humor in
the higher dimensions?
Omal: oh, we have a good sense of
humor as you have heard.
Russ: as I've heard but not as often
as I hear in sixth dimension.
Russ: why? Is that
because you see it.....you see it more of the
actors and actresses.......
Russ: then you should be laughing at
the play sad or happy because you just see it as
the play, you don't
take it as serious as if it was real
Omal: (chuckles) okay Karra made a
very good analogy a while back.
Omal: concerning seventh dimensional
and higher individuals. For you, you work on
the scale of 23 hours 59 minutes,
I work on a much longer time scale.
Omal: so I may laugh, I may make
jokes and I think I make quite a few
Russ: quite a few for....
Omal: but in the timescale of you,
you see it as occasionally. For me, I do not see
it in that timescale of occasionally.
Russ: ahhh. I see, so you get more of
the bigger picture.
Russ: hmm, so it's tough to laugh 24
hours a day at something that's going on for a
Russ: you'd hurt your face.
Omal: put it this way, I told a joke
Omal: I told the joke, it would be
close to a 100 years now. This may in itself be a
little bit of a joke. Korton got back to me on the
joke just a few days ago. So you see the
timescales are very different.
Omal: when I talk of watching the
aurora borealis a 100, sorry....80,000 years ago,
that is not that long ago.
Russ: hmm, time just becomes
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal takes over
from where he left off)
Omal: put it this way, if each of
your 38 years, is that correct?
Omal: was a 100 years, one of your 38
years........just one of those 38 years was a 100
years, how many would that be?
Russ: 3,800 years.
Omal: three thousand, eight
Omal: okay, how long ago was that?
Russ: it was about the point where
the Egyptians were just starting their
Omal: actually they were at the peak
of their civilization.
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: it is about the time of Ramses
the first or second.
Russ: okay, so therefore the
Sumerians were in pretty good shape also as were
Russ: the rest the world was pretty
much in a very dark age.
Omal: no, but continue.
Russ: right, basically if you were to
look at the world at that point then, yeah it
would be.....a lot of your light would be focused
right there on Egypt.
Omal: now this ties in with what I
was saying on the other side of your recording
about looking at the big picture. You have just
told me something that you did not say. It was a
long time ago you told me, was it?
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: was it? For you.......
Russ: from my point of view yeah.
Omal: but for me, it would be like
saying last year, it's not that long ago. Now,
from what I said, what did you observe?
Russ: well I observed you're pretty
matter of fact about it whereas to me it's this
Omal: I told you something very
important but you did not hear it. You said it was
pretty dark ages all over.
Russ: and you said it wasn't.
Omal: correct. That should tell you
something very important, something that you did
not hear or you heard it but it did not register.
Russ: well I heard it and when I
heard it I assumed you meant stuff like up in the
Netherlands where the Vikings were still kind of
getting their start but......
Omal: the Vikings weren't even in
Russ: oh, okay. Give me two seconds
here. 3,800 years ago.
Russ: oh yeah, India.
Russ: America was not even going at
it. Peru and the Incas.
Omal: the Incas weren't even in
existence then. Pre-Inca.
Russ: the Olmec's weren't even in
Russ: well this is some 6,500 years
since the downfall of Atlantis.
Russ: so therefore everybody's kind
of just still picking up the pieces.
Omal: I will leave this for a later
time on discussion.......
Omal: as you are having difficulty
Omal: okay, let us move along and let
us answer some of Tia's or go over some of Tia's
points. Okay her astral travel thing, that is her
field. Even though I do astral travel, I am not
the expert, you must talk to the expert about it.
Actually the expert and myself are probably the
one that she was referring to, I believe we're on
the same level when it comes to astral travel.
(Mark) Also let us quickly look over....yes she is
quite accurate as always on her explanation on how
to make money. I sometimes wonder if she would be
more suited to being down there working to make
money but she is here and she does an exceptional
job. Are there any more questions?
Russ: not at this time though, I
think we'll save it for next week.
(Tia returns as ring
Tia: (says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: "hmmpf", suited to
a third dimensional lifestyle and I've got so much
up here that I enjoy. Yes?
Russ: I was just saying I've got
a job at the theater for you.
Tia: I suppose I could fill that
criteria, I wouldn't be your girlfriend.
Russ: that's true.
(her and the
cat have a discussion in Durondedunn)
(Karra joins the session)
Russ: hello love.
Karra: okay, first things first, the
Karra: let me do a quick bit of
conversion here, okay. Could you make it by 1
o'clock your time?
Russ: p.m. or a.m.?
Karra: it would be in the morning.
Karra: no that would be a.m.
Russ: oh a.m. So after midnight.
Karra: correct. Directly to Sirius
for the inauguration. You'll have a five minute
period to get there, can you do that?
Karra: okay, if you leave earlier
that's better, we can spend some time together. I
don't have to worry about clothes for you because
you will do that yourself. Okay, if you fade out
again that's fine, the formal dinner starts about
an hour and a half after that. If you are there,
you are there, if
you're not, you're not. There will be a dinner
place next to me for you. Actually, it will be
across the table from me.
Karra: okay? And we will go through
the greeting line and then we will go to the
announcer and the announcer will announce us to
the main room. It will be Madam President and then
you will greet her husband and then it will be Mr.
Prime Minister...ahh Mr. President and First Lady,
very much like on your planet and
then it will be the Chancellor of, I suppose it
would be the equivalent to the exchequer.
Russ: the what?
Karra: the exchequer, money.
Russ: oh the banker?
Karra: well in charge of....
Russ: oh finance minister.
Karra: kind of.
Russ: Treasury Secretary.
Karra: kind of.
Russ: okay. Combination of such.
Karra: yes, it's a combination of
quite a few things actually.
Karra: and then it will be greetings
to the primary secretary........first secretary.
Russ: do they have wives?
Karra: yes, their wives will be
present but they will not be greeted.
Karra: they don't hold any office.
Karra: and then you will be presented
to....what is her title? She is the head of the
house, she's in
charge of running everything within the residency.
The offices, the banquet facilities, the dining
rooms, the deployment of staff, the secretaries,
everything. In fact she probably has more power in
the house then my father does.
Karra: what she says goes. It's her
job to make sure everything runs smoothly in the
house. She is in charge of making all the
appointments, she is in charge of dealing with all
problems. It's her job to make sure everything
runs smoothly so she has a very important role
however, she is the last person on the line. So
she is primary secretary.
Karra: and she is greeted as Madam
Secretary and it's always been a woman that's held
Karra: she's only 600 years old so
she's held it I think for about 300.
Russ: and she'll do the same for your
Karra: it is a lifetime position.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Karra: or until she becomes or feels
that she is incapable of doing the job.
Karra: so don't upset her when you go
Russ: I won't.
Karra: okay? And of course there is
Gonzo and you don't call her Gonzo.
Karra: she is referred to.....
Russ: Madam First Lady.
Karra: no, she is referred to as my
lady or Madam.
Russ: I like my lady.
Karra: and when you are presented to
her, you take her hand and kiss it.
Karra: okay? It's very important.
Russ: no problem. What about primary
Karra: primary secretary? You don't
take her hand, you just nod to her.
Karra: even though she is probably
the most powerful person in the house, she does
not rank in that line very much in the way of
respect although she gets a lot of respect of
because of who she is, what she does.
Russ: right. So I nod at everybody
Russ: who I take her hand and kiss
Russ: that's easy.
Karra: you can shake their hands if
you so desire. You do not shake the first
secretary's hand. If you wish to shake people's
hands, you are welcome to.
Russ: no high-fives?
Karra: no high-fives, no give me five
on the low, it is very
Russ: I know.
Russ: I got it covered.
Karra: I hope so.
Russ: of course darling, I would not
embarrass you as Madam ambassador,
Karra: if I have to stay in your mind
and nudge you, I will do so. This is very
important for me.
Russ: I know that love and I will be
very much the perfect first husband...or I mean
Karra: this is my first formal
Russ: well everyone seems to be
pretty understanding anyway if I start fading out.
Karra: uh-huh, I hope so. Now I've
seen Kiri's dress.......
Karra: and it's fine by me.
Russ: okay. I'm not worried about it.
Karra: no I'm not worried about it
Russ: I mean if dad already said okay
then that's fine.
Karra: yes, in fact I wouldn't mind
one like that. In fact I have a better chest than
she does, I would look better in it but that's
between Kiri and myself.
Russ: of course.
Karra: but I would never wear a skirt
quite that short. It is formal, it is acceptable
but it is a little short. My skirt will be longer.
Hers starts at the knee and works up, mine's
fuller. That's because I hold rank, she doesn't,
she can get away with it.
Russ: okay love.
Karra: I wouldn't also wear something
that frilly either.
Russ: should be fun.
Karra: yes, very fun.
Russ: yeah, right. I'll be a nervous
Karra: hey, we have a few days.
Russ: true. All right, other
noteworthy news, the tape on the other day that
we're working on.
Karra: sorry, I was just biting
Russ: I understand.
Karra: sorry, little sight gag. Hmm
yes, very informative as always,
I'd forgotten a few of those points.
Russ: yeah, me too.
Russ: and I'm not quite sure on the
Karra: what part are you having
Russ: well it seems too serious.
Karra: actually on this I've got to
side with Mark and Tia, I think it is a very
important Hades Base News.
Russ: right but I mean the editorial
doesn't reflect that I don't think. It's not....it
doesn't grip you like the other ones do until the
Karra: we worked on it together.
Karra: and would I of...even though
I've been distracted, would I have not put my
heart into it?
Russ: true, you would.
Russ: but you have to remember though
too, you've been working pretty hard at this
Russ: and I have to worry that maybe
you were preoccupied.
Karra: I was relaxing a little bit.
Karra: that's why it is as it is, a
Russ: hmm, okay. So we shouldn't try
to rework it too much?
Karra: we will rework it but we'll
see how it comes out. We'll kick ideas around.
Karra: everything can always be
improved. If that's something I've not learned
from Omal, then I've learned nothing. Everything
can always be improved and everything can always
be made worse.
Russ: okay well let's see what
else...oh yeah, Giardia.
Karra: umm yes, Giardia.
Russ: or whatever that is.
Karra: I haven't come across those
kind of parasites in a long time.
Karra: now obviously she's getting
well water correct?
Russ: yeah but no one else is getting
Karra: uh-huh, so it has to be
somewhere between the mains or the main line and
her place. So it has to be somewhere within that
30 foot section.
Russ: well it has to go through the
treatment center before it gets to her area.
Karra: correct. So?
Russ: she's one of many who just
caught the bug or just a rare case that was
susceptible to it?
Karra: well the thing is to start
asking around if anybody else in that area has got
Karra: and if so, what is the city
going to do about it?
Karra: because they are now
responsible for her getting this.
Russ: it is treatable though right?
Karra: oh yeah.
Karra: uh-huh, she just has to be
very careful on her diet at this time.
Karra: she can't afford to get a cold
or the flu or anything else so she needs to take
very good care of herself. She needs to follow
what the doctor has told her to do. Also what she
needs to do is boil all of her water and not have
it on the cooker until it reaches boiling point
but when it reaches boiling point, it stays on
there for another five minutes boiling.
Karra: and then it is put into a
plastic container sealed and straight into the
refrigerator to cool it or leave it out to cool
but sealed so nothing gets in there. Or there is
Russ: get purified water from the
Karra: correct. Or there was a third
option is that she makes herself a still and
distills the water.
Russ: I like my option I think.
Karra: yes from the store.
Russ: hmm okay, I'll work on it
Russ: okay, well it looks like I'm
going to be working a bit harder now.
Karra: for the time being.
Russ: for the time being. Now where
Karra: and she can't come and work at
the theater with you as an assistant manager.
Russ: correct. Want the job? (laughs)
Karra: it would certainly be a lot
Russ: yes darling, just a little
light humor for you.
Karra: uh-huh. And I know what you
would have me doing besides the obvious.
Karra: colon, slash, Matilda, P,
slash, green, slash, slash, you know, Matilda,
Karra: and I think....did we do it
the correct way?
Russ: more or less.
Karra: in Java?
Karra: uh-huh. Okay any more
questions as Tia's pointing at the chronometer?
Russ: no darling.
Russ: we've covered everything. Bye
(Tia comes back to hand off to Leah)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: hey, how's
Tia: okay, next speaker.
(Leah makes a rare appearance)
Russ: is this Leah?
Russ: hi Leah.
Russ: how's it going love?
Leah: it's going good.
Leah: what can I do for you?
Russ: help me understand how all life
is a stage.
Leah: it is?
Russ: that's what I hear.
Leah: you ought to talk to my little
sister about that.
(Huna, aka "The Bunny Monster")
Russ: I think I will, she's coming
Russ: I'll wait for her then.
Russ: so how you doing sweetheart?
Leah: I'm doing good.
Russ: good, good. The Tenuvial clan
is alive and well I take it?
(the family name of Leah and
Russ: excellent. So what's all this
lowland dialect I'm hearing?
Leah: (chuckles) that's between us.
We would not have talked unless it was important
Russ: of course. I mean I have to put
in the webpage about your guy's dialects.
Russ: yeah. Well that's good. And all
the giggling was the important part?
Russ: that's what I was just checking
Russ: I figured it would be. So
what's up with you darling, how's your engineering
class coming along? Did you get that test passed?
Leah: I'm still working on it.
Russ: that was two weeks ago.
Leah: no, it was just last week.
Russ: it was just last week, that's
Leah: uh-huh. I've got the first one
Leah: and I'm working on the second
Leah: and unlike some lucky
individuals, I don't get two weeks off.
Russ: what, to go to Sirius?
Russ: you're not going huh?
Russ: oh well, we're going to miss
Leah: yes I've still got to figure
out how I'm going to wire this little problem.
Russ: well think of the advantages
you'll have once you get it all figured out.
Leah: yes, yes, I just
wish that I was as smart as Huna sometimes.
Russ: you'd be as smart as Kiri.
Leah: I would love to be as smart as
Kiri. She goes, "it's experience".
Russ: well you'll gain it all as you
go along here.
Leah: I hope so, I really hope so.
Russ: I have faith.
Leah: uh-huh but at the
moment I have distractions slightly but they are
secondary and my distractions understand the fact
that it's important that I get these projects done
Russ: right. Cool, excellent. And so
what else is going on besides your schoolwork?
Leah: nothing much no, got a little
tipsy last night.
Russ: well that's good for you.
Russ: probably need to break away
from the school grind.
Leah: yes, it was enjoyable actually.
Russ: oh good.
Russ: hmm, now do you have to go back to Sirius
for any really intense classes?
Leah: I have a week in February where
I will be on Sirius where I have to give an oral.
Russ: (chuckles) okay.
Leah: why do you laugh?
Russ: well I thought Huna would be in
charge of giving orals.
(an inside joke as Huna is
quite sexually active)
Leah: yeah, she'll be giving an oral
at some time. She's just a first year student, I'm
a third-year student.
Leah: we give orals once a year.
Russ: I'm sorry love, it's a joke.
Leah: I don't understand.
Russ: an oral would be a form of
physical expression of sexual gratification.
Leah: oh you mean like giving head.
Russ: (laughs) an oral yes. Giving an
oral and I'm like, "okay".
Leah: no I'm giving an oral report.
Russ: I know, I know darling. You
have been studying too hard.
Leah: I still don't see where it's
funny and Huna's looking at me shaking her head
and so is Kiri.
Russ: it's a third dimensional thing
Leah: oh. Tia says to say that you
are an MCP.
Russ: well anyway, I'll be looking
forward to hearing about your success with this
Leah: uh-huh, okay I get the point
and Tia's saying....
Russ: bye my love.
(Tia is back but not for very
Tia: yes you are an MCP, now
don't you forget that.
Russ: how could I, you remind me
(Kiri ends the night with an
Kiri: I like how Tia does that you
Kiri: she'll stick her head in as
Leah's getting out and talk over Leah as Leah's
getting up and everything and then gives me enough
time to slide in.
Russ: oh cool.
Kiri: oh we have quite a.......
Kiri: a congregation of some
political (winds? Sirian maybe?) or felines. Oh
sorry Tia, I didn't mean to do that.
Russ: what'd you do.
Kiri: it's not important.
Russ: ahhh, okay. How are you my
Kiri: I'm doing good.
Russ: good. This is Kiri I'm
Kiri: of course.
Russ: nobody handles the body quite
like you do dear.
Russ: must be years and years of
Russ: cool. You still haven't got
that little finger up though right? That's better.
(she demonstrates the proper
English way to drink tea)
Kiri: is that how he drinks it?
Russ: well that's how you're supposed
to drink it come on the 20th.
Kiri: this is actually going to be
probably my first formal function where I don't
wear something slightly risky.
Russ: well that's all right, I'm not
going to worry about it.
Kiri: this is going to be tricky
Russ: well what are you going to do?
Kiri: no, this is good to be tricky
Russ: oh, why?
Kiri: cause she's not in there.
Russ: she's not in where? Oh, Mongi.
(one of the house cats)
Russ: so that's why you mentioned
Kiri: yes, okay. Okay in all
seriousness, what can I do for you?
Russ: well my dear, how come you're
Kiri: because I study.
Russ: hmm, for years and years and
Kiri: uh-huh. Because I told Mark
something very important and it's something that I
Russ: and that is?
Kiri: learn at least one new thing,
at least one new thing every day.
Russ: good point.
Kiri: now I made it little harder on
myself. I've got to learn something really good,
one new thing every day. It's no good let's say,
learning how to use a match.
(holds up a strike anywhere
that doesn't count.
Learning how to wire a microphone, doesn't count.
It's got a be something really useful.
Russ: what about trying to light the
match without using the striker?
Kiri: that is different,
would be acceptable.
Russ: that would be pretty damn
Kiri: uh-huh, Tia can do it.
Russ: Tia can do it?
Russ: PK could light matches?
Kiri: well she'd just rub it on
Russ: oh yeah. I mean like create the
heat around it enough to spark the match.
Kiri: yeah but yes, that is something
that I try to learn, one new thing every day.
Russ: what if you don't learn it?
Kiri: I do.
Russ: but what if you don't? What if
you can't learn how to light that match without a
Kiri: I'll keep going until I do.
Russ: but what if the day gets over?
Kiri: my day's not over until I go to
Russ: oh, so you're not worried about
Kiri: (chuckles) unfortunately I am but
if I'm going to learn something new, then it's
something that I know that I can figure out. There
have been a few times where I haven't learned
something new in a day.
Russ: you remember those?
Kiri: uh-huh. I remember them because
I remember the failures.
Russ: amazing. Hmm, so you can't just
look at a map and go, "oh, the capital of Omaha
Kiri: no, no, it
has to be something useful and hard. Not overly
hard, something that you know you can achieve.
Russ: hmm. So what was
your new thing today?
Kiri: oh it was the wiring of a
Russ: oh, and it worked?
Kiri: it took me all day,
me eight hours but I did it.
Russ: what was the usefulness of
Kiri: usefulness of that? That's the
connecting link between a computer, from one
computer to another.
Russ: why don't you just have a cable
that plugs into each other?
Kiri: it kind of is but it's the
wiring of it that's important. There's a chip
that's or a little unit that's about that big
Kiri: and it's got probably about a
100 to 200 connections within it and
that's what I was wiring and it's getting it in a
sequential order to do so so that the transferral
is (snaps her fingers). For example let's say if I
was using your laptop with a transductor in there
I was using it on Mark's computer.
Kiri: which you can't do but the
transductor means that it can.
Kiri: right? And I wanted information
from Mark's computer, I access it and
it translates, hence the trans right? And it
brings it across and instead of it going (Chook,
Chook, Chook) and taking maybe a nanosecond, it is
Kiri: and it translates.
So what I could do is I could use it on my
computer up here and link it to your computer down
there if I had a long enough cable.
Russ: that'd be a long cable.
Kiri: uh-huh. Or if I had your
computer and it would speed it up to the speed of
Kiri: instead of slowing mine down,
it brings it up to your speed. Actually it would
probably fry your hard drive but I'd get the
Russ: yeah it'd be like (birzz).
Kiri: hey wait a second, there's a
switch in there that will make it go down to a
point where it's neither bad......it's not bad for
Kiri: it's a pretty little smart unit
Russ: and you did that all by
Russ: impressive. In eight hours?
Kiri: in eight hours.
Kiri: apparently it's a three-hour
Russ: oh, it's already been done?
Kiri: oh yeah it's been done but it
was new for me.
Russ: oh I see, I see.
Russ: I see, oh so these are widely
distributed kind of things?
Kiri: yeah. I had a bit of free time,
in fact I have tomorrow totally free.
Russ: oh cool.
Kiri: because I've got everything I
should be doing done. I can either work on the
channeling setup or I can take the day off, which
I think I might take the day off and spend it with
Russ: hmm. So why don't you learn how
to figure out some little thing that can go in and
maintain the balance of the salmon in Dolphin
(the salmon population had
gotten larger than it should be)
Kiri: that's not my field, I'm not a
marine biologist. You'd have to talk to Alana.
Russ: hmmm, there is not an
engineering solution to that problem you don't
Kiri: yes actually I've got a very
good engineering solution to it.
Russ: which is?
Kiri: well it's actually a thermostat
that you stick into the fish and it cooks it from
the inside out and the skin just peels off.
Russ: all right......
Kiri: that's after you've cleaned it
Russ: of course.
Kiri: takes probably about a minute
and a half. It's not anywhere as good as actually
barbecuing it or really cooking it.
Russ: right, but
if you're in a hurry.
Kiri: and it's only a real little
unit as well, I made myself.
Russ: hmm. So it's like an internal
Kiri: yeah and it
doesn't give off any harmful rays, it doesn't
destroy the flavor and it's pretty good. And when
you peel the skin off, all the moisture and
everything is kept in and all the waste and
everything, the excess, is filtered into the skin.
So basically what you can do, is let's say you're
trapped in the middle of nowhere, you happen to
have a fish or a rabbit or
anything else that you wish to cook,
stick this little thing which is about the size of
your screwdriver, pass the screwdriver over.
(a screwdriver in the room is
passed over to Kiri)
Kiri: uh-huh. You stick
it in right?
Kiri: and you press the button and it
Kiri: and then you take the skin off
and you've got the cooked material inside. So you
could actually, let's say this is stuck inside a
salmon and it's in the salmon right? The salmon
happens to be touching the floor right? It cooks
it, you peel the skin off and you've got perfectly
cleaned, cooked fish on the inside.
Kiri: you just don't eat the skin.
Russ: and you came up with this?
Russ: pretty amazing.
Kiri: yeah I came up with it when I
was oh.....I guess like 25 at
the time. I was going on a camping trip with a
Kiri: yeah we were going up to the
high meadow where the
pink flowers are.
Russ: I still say you're a genius.
Kiri: no I'm not a genius.
Russ: I know, I know but
I still say you are so there.
Kiri: Huna's a genius.
Russ: Huna hasn't invented a little
thing that you stick into fish.
Russ: that's pretty damn tricky.
Kiri: but Huna is a genius
and her intelligence is
growing. If I was as smart as she was, I
would be a genius.
Kiri: I mean an IQ of 107, 207 sorry,
is normal, well it is just a tad above normal.
Russ: hmm still, I'm pretty
Russ: it's a handy little tool,
Kiri: uh-huh. It's a good little
Russ: oh yeah, is it widely
Russ: wow. Does it say Kiri on the
Kiri: no, it
doesn't say anything like that.
Russ: it's just a button.
Kiri: just a button.
Russ: hmm. Good PR department would
have a field day with that thing.
Russ: well third dimensional wise.
Kiri: it is a survival tool.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: you can't put a price on a
Russ: yeah it would be like putting a
price on your life.
Russ: still, handy little bugger.
Russ: good job.
Kiri: yeah people use it for camping,
people that spend a lot of time in the wilderness
doing research and stuff carry them because
they're very useful. Why should I want to put my
name on something that is useful for everyone?
Russ: well I'm just......
Kiri: why would I want to even sell
it and market it as you're implying?
Russ: well you wouldn't,
on sixth dimension.
Kiri: no, it's something I don't
comprehend. It is not a luxury item, it is not a
fashion item, it is useful tool. Useful tools cost
Russ: see I'm still trying to get
used to your monetary values.
Kiri: no, that's a necessity.
Russ: that's a necessity.
Russ: clothing is a luxury.
Kiri: no, swimsuits are luxuries.
Russ: swimsuits are luxuries.
Kiri: uh-huh. Lingerie is luxuries.
Russ: what else is luxuries?
Kiri: clothing that is to show off
Kiri: ski equipment, anything that is
not a necessity.
Russ: hmm, decorative plants?
Kiri: that's not a necessity.
Russ: just checking. Okay stained
glass, definitely a luxury.
Kiri: depends on where you are. If
you are down in the southern parts near the
deserts and everything.........
Kiri: stained glass is used to
decrease temperatures in the house.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: air-conditioning in the
mountains is a luxury. Down in the lowlands in the
desert areas, it's not. Heaters down in the desert
area are a luxury, up in the mountains they're
Russ: now nobody sets
these prices right?
Kiri: correct. It's what the area and
the environment dictates. For example, if you go
down to where Huna and Leah grew up right?
Kiri: swimsuits are a necessity
depending on what type of swimsuit.
Russ: okay so your line of swimsuits
would cost them wine.
(Kiri has a popular line of swimsuits she normally
trades in wine)
Kiri: correct or whatever the person
Russ: clams or whatever.
Russ: but a basic swimsuit........
Russ: is a necessity.
Russ: so it should be free.
Russ: now, how do they get ahold of
your swimsuits and pay for it in their....?
Kiri: they go to the retailer.
Russ: which is where?
Kiri: all over the place.
Russ: in any major city?
Kiri: all over the place.
Russ: it's all over the place.
Kiri: well there are
shops all over the place. My stuff is sold in very
Russ: oh, okay.
Kiri: which sells lots of other
luxury items. For example, let us say you are an
Kiri: right? And you have lingerie as
part of your profession.
Kiri: that's a necessity. You can't
do your entertainment without that lingerie.
Russ: so do they go into your shop
where you have your lingerie?
Kiri: no. My lingerie, there are a
lot that look like it, right?
Kiri: a lot that look like it. But
what sets mine apart is the fact that they're
custom-made for individuals.
Russ: oh, but what if an entertainer
wants just yours?
Kiri: then she has to pay for it.
Russ: they do?
Kiri: correct. My swimsuits, my
lingerie, my clothing line are all luxury items
designed to show off the body.
Kiri: my little utensil, is not.
Kiri: it is a necessity.
Russ: okay. So it's based on logic.
Russ: not based on need.
Kiri: correct. For example, let
us say you want to buy some really sexy clothing
for the beach.
Kiri: right? You pay for that.
Kiri: right? Let us say you want to
buy my line of warm clothing, you pay for that but,
let us say you want to buy the warm clothing down
in the desert, you really pay for it because
it's not a necessity.
Kiri: but up in the mountains, you
just pay for it at a lesser rate then you would
Russ: okay, now let's say I want to
get one of these.........
I'm going off in the desert to do some survival
Russ: okay, what I do?
Kiri: you go into probably one of our
local, it's close to a sporting goods store I
would say and you would just walk in and you walk
up to the register and say, "I'm going off into
the wilderness, I would like to have one". They
hand it over.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: uh-huh. They would expect some
service in return.....
Russ: like what?
Kiri: if you had one. Let us say that
there was a spill on aisle five, you'd
go over and clean it up.
Kiri: and if you didn't do a very
good job so what? It's
your karma and we're not going to have
time to put Bunny on. Besides, Bunny's flirting.
Russ: okay. Interesting point though.
Russ: now, if I want to get a
swimsuit, it's not your line but I do live at the
Russ: I go in and say, "I need a
swimsuit". They give you the swimsuit and then you
Kiri: yeah, I owe them a favor,
owe them a service. If you can't do the service on
Kiri: let's say there was a empty
Kiri: right? Well you could go over
and clean the shelf, straighten up some shelving,
do whatever. Let's say they've got a delivery in,
you go and give them a hand.
Russ: okay, or if they have a
delivery to make, you
make a delivery.
Kiri: that's right.
Russ: interesting. And they set the
deed to the worth of the item.
Kiri: no, you do.
Russ: you do?
Russ: oh, and they base it on karma.
Russ: and you have millions of people
doing this every day?
Kiri: uh-huh, I'll tell you something
funny. I was a little girl, God I must've been oh
probably no more than six or seven and
mother and myself were at the store and I wanted
Kiri: right? And there was a box of
candy lying on the floor that had just been put
there to be put on the shelf, I put
them on the shelf and it picked out one for
Kiri: and I went up and presented it
and it was mine.
Russ: fair enough.
Russ: interesting, this is going to
be a good part for the webpage actually.
Russ: I'm kind of looking forward to
putting this on there. What about books?
Russ: or holograms or.....
Kiri: educational stuff is in a
totally different category of its own.
Russ: it's all free.
Kiri: it's all free but you bring it
back when you're finished with it.
Russ: ahhh, okay.
Kiri: bring it back when you're
Russ: so what about......so your
things that you study in college, those items that
you studied are still accessible
but on a computer?
Kiri: correct. They're all on disk.
Russ: they're all on disk.
Kiri: actually, I have copies of some
of the really important stuff.
Kiri: educational stuff, there is no
price for it.
Russ: what about food?
Russ: yeah, what if you're hungry and
you want to go out to eat at a restaurant? You do
the dishes afterwards?
Kiri: that is a luxury.
Kiri: that is a luxury. What service
can you do or what can you trade?
Russ: similar to the corner bar?
(a drinking and eating establishment
near Kiri, Tia and Mark's apartment)
Russ: when you go into the corner bar
and drink, it helps if you take a bottle of wine
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