Archivist Notes: July brings us a channeling session from the members of Ashtar Command on Hades Base that once again puts a premium on giving us as much higher dimensional knowledge as possible within the space of ninety minutes. To that end, Karra works with us on vitamins and supplements, Treebeard sticks to devas and plants, Kiri reviews our coercion practice before we get into a discussion on Obi-Wan Kenobi. The great thing about that is we've only covered side one but it's side two where things get really interesting. Karra returns with a more serious class on the ritual of healing, blows holes in a possible hoax from the seventies, Kiri speculates with us on the connection between the Bermuda Triangle and Tibet finishing up with an assignment to colonize the earth we've presented in several podcasts prior to this one. We'd like to thank Omal after the fact for breaking away from his duties as base commander to come and channel for our group. His knowledge and experience made this another excellent learning experience. Now on to the session details.

   Karra is acting ring mistress as the session begins until her sister can take over so she grabs the nearest subject at hand which is nutrition in this case. She has some great advice on maintaining a varied diet without a lot of carbohydrates while also pointing out the benefits of herbs and bananas. We learn a lot from her about vitamins and supplements which she said will only provide the amount needed by the body and wash away the rest. She relinquishes the channeling couch to Treebeard who has been invited to discuss his favorite subjects devas and the plant world. At first, Treebeard answers questions on the perceptions of devas and trees and confirms for us what Omal had already revealed in a previous session that devas were one of the seven races who were part of the Sirian colonization of Atlantis. He demonstrates how masterful he is at probing the mind as he wraps up that he lays out the layers of the questioner's mind down practically to the subconscious. It's like watching open mind surgery. Kiri gets back to take over as ring mistress and it's reports on the coercion practice she assigned which is the first thing to come up. She immediately identifies where improvements can be made with advice to simplify greatly the thoughts being directed in mental coercion in a cyber cafe I co-owned. For those without that skill, she even has an answer for that by the use of vocal coercion. We get to the end of side one deep into a discussion on the coercion demonstrated in the original "Star Wars" movie where Obi-Wan Kenobi controls the mind of the Imperial trooper.

   Kiri returns to her topic as side two begins by reminding us how the type of coercion used isn't important but that the proper use of it is all that matters. Then it's her sister's turn to speak and Karra this time agrees to help understand the ceremonies and rituals that are a part of many healings, even in a hospital. For our purposes, she uses the term ritual as a way to bring the person's consciousness up to the level of the healer or at least meet halfway when healing spiritually. What ceremony or ritual is used depends on the belief system of the person and as an example, she uses a sweat lodge as a way to do that if the person was Native American. She takes it to the next step of what to do once that level is reached which includes helping the subject to do the healing themselves. We finish out the time with Karra by helping with advice for a friend of a guest who had discovered a special ability. That growth was being threatened through a mood which had grown dark and it's a lighter atmosphere she suggests to bring more light into her life. Omal gets to the session at that point so Karra puts him for the short time he can attend. We use that time wisely as we ask questions concerning both the crystal pyramid supposedly left over from Atlantis followed by a debate on the truth of the Bermuda Triangle. He easily blows through the hoax that had led people to believe an Atlantean crystal sphere had been found in the conflicting details related in what had been reported. That area where it had been reported fell within the Bermuda Triangle and while he was limited in what he could reveal what had occurred there did subscribe to the theory that pilot error was responsible to even ships that had been reported missing. He has to get back to the matter he had left leaving Kiri to get us to the end of the side. From her, we get an engineer's view at the causes of the phenomenon of the Triangle and deduces it has something to do with an electrical, magnetic vortex of some kind. A unique theory is put forth regarding the Bermuda Triangle being one half of a connection to Tibet on the other side of the world. Curious if true and it would explain a lot. Who's to say if a solution to the mystery surrounding the history of missing ships and plans were due to such a simple explanation. We run out of tape just as she completes handing out an assignment heard on a couple previous channeling sessions about coming up with a colonization plan involving 10,000 colonists. It's a bit anti-climatic from the revelations already discussed but would turn out to be a great mind bender of organizational skills.
                      

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SIDE ONE


(Karra takes on ring mistress duties in the absence of Kiri)


Karra: okay, I'm temporary ring mistress.

Russ: ahh........

Karra: kind of thrown on the........

Russ: bit of a surprise there.

Karra: yes.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: surprise all around I believe.

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: okay, where do we start? Okay, upcoming visits in late July, you're aware of those?

Russ: uh-huh, Ashtar, Monka and…..

Karra: President…..

Russ: President Tanaka.

Karra: uh-huh and Lady Goroznik is coming.

Russ: oh Gonzo.

Karra: uh-huh.......Lady Goroznik.

Russ: oh Goroznik?

Karra: official visit.

Russ: Goroznik.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: is that her real name?

Karra: that’s as close as you’re going to get.

(Skip and Russ start laughing)

Skip: okay hon.

Russ: okay, that works.

Karra: okay, let’s get down to business.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and we’ve got all the formal announcements out of the way. Let me see, let’s start off with a thing on eating well and dealing with frustrations and motivations..

Russ: excellent, okay.

Karra: which you’re doing very well there hon.

Russ: thank you dear.

Karra: uh-huh, it’s a team effort though.

Russ: I know, it’s not just me sweetheart.

Karra: okay nutrition, high carbohydrate intakes is not a good thing as a steady part of a diet. Eating a wide variety of foods and low carbohydrate intake is the best way to go to maintain. Fish oils, good for the hair, good for the teeth, they also help with cranial activity so there are a lot of different foods out there which are very beneficial for mental well-being. Bananas, very good for the mind. So get your bananas, your potassium guys. Yes?

Russ: well I'm just making those plans.

Karra: okay, yes Russ, it can be used for other things too. Also kiwifruit which has a lot of potassium as do strawberries but the main thing is to have a wide, varied diet. Keeping low the carbohydrate intake because carbohydrate intakes, they give you temporary energy but they also lay down a very large amount of stored fat which if not used tends to make the skin saggy and all the problems that go along with that later on in life. Also it tends to later on in life also give the skin a liquid look. You know those large people that you see that look like they're retaining a lot of water?

Russ: hmm.

Karra: that’s enhanced by eating too high a carbohydrate diet. We could go on and on and on and about the benefits of herbs. The enjoyment of herbs is also enhanced in the culinary activities connected with the dietary phase. So if you use a lot of rosemary, a lot of sage, a lot of thyme, a lot of garlic, a lot of onions, that will help in your diet and also in your healing processes. Okay let’s answer questions as I see I'm just drifting along, maybe some questions will help to get the topics flowing better.

Russ: okay, on the topic of diet then.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: where supplements come in for example, multivitamins and things like that as a way to make up for those things that are lost in case you can’t keep up a good diet or even if you can, are those handy to have or are you overloading on them?

Karra: it depends on the quantities of the vitamins that you’re taking in naturally. If you taking vitamins in naturally, any extras are basically washed out of the system but if there is missing parts in the diet, then the vitamins and minerals can be used in supplements but only if it’s not in the diet and only if it’s a prolonged thing. Vitamins are frequently misused. Your body will absorb only as much vitamins as you need so if for example you need 800 mgs of…..that’s actually a little high…..let’s say 400 mgs of vitamin C, then if you’re taking 800, the 400 will just wash out and you will just use 400.

Russ: hmm, now how’s your body know when to wash them out?

Karra: it does it automatically, it has a certain amount of vitamins that are washed out. For example when you urinate, if you drink a lot of orange juice you will notice that there is a different color but the vitamins don’t affect the color. But when you urinate a lot, you’re flushing out more fluids and the excess vitamins and things that you don’t need.

Russ: okay.

Karra: vitamins are actually colorless, so are the minerals except for the stronger ones which will affect the urinary coloring.

Russ: uh-huh, okay.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: does that go for MSM too?

Karra: uh-huh, your body will only take as much as it needs, that goes for all supplements.

Skip: okay because our body needs that sulfur in our cells.

Karra: yes it does.

Skip: and we’re not getting it through our food or our milk’s anymore.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought bananas had sulfur in them?

Karra: different kind of sulfur.

Russ: oh.

Karra: there are lots of different kinds of sulfur.

Skip: this is from what I understand okay? It’s a sulfur that’s a T-bond for the cells themselves.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: and it washes away allergies, arthritis, pain, makes the skin softer and makes the hair and nails grow more.

Russ: and it’s called MSN?

Skip: MSM.

Karra: stop thinking of MSN.

Russ: sorry, it's a habit.

Karra: it’s an Internet thingy. Okay but Skip’s quite correct that there are certain dietary things that used to be in the diet that aren’t in there anymore where supplements do help but again I will say that your body will only take as much as you need. For individuals it varies on amounts, 400 on the vitamin C is just a number.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: it varies from individual to individual. Some need more, some need less.

Skip: I take a thousand per day.

Karra: uh-huh so therefore any excess is washed out of the body.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Russ: what’s the…….?

Karra: continue.

Russ: I was going to say, what’s happens if let’s say we haven’t had this MSM for all our lives.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: right? And then all of a sudden you introduce it into your diet. Now how’s your body know to integrate that into its various applications?

Skip: because it needs it, it’s lacking it.

Karra: uh-huh, Skip’s correct.

Russ: so it’s part of our genetic makeup.

Karra: correct.

Russ: so how many things are……could there be a lot of things out there that we've never had but our body could really use greatly for if we were to get it all of a sudden in our diet?

Karra: yes but it depends also on your ethnic heritage.

Russ: oh.

Karra: certain minerals and vitamins will work better on one ethnic group as opposed to another.

Russ: oh.

Karra: for example, certain oils and minerals that come from whale blubber that can be got naturally from other fishes but are more digestible for certain ethnic groups than other ethnic groups. If it comes in a way that is not for your ethnic group it will take what it can but it is not enough.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: but MSM used to be in our vegetables and milk before they started homogenizing it and using chemical fertilizers.

Karra: it’s in all unpasteurized milk.

Skip: yep.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well what is it?

Skip: it’s got a, it’s got a name, chemical compound name but I can’t pronounce it okay?

Russ: oh.

Karra: okay anyway let’s continue.

Skip: all right.

Karra: okay, Skip’s brought up some very good points that we will look into and we will give you a full explanation in the next session.

Skip: okay thank you.

Karra: okay, any more questions?

Russ: not for now, you're the ring mistress so you'll be back.

Karra: I’ll be back probably once more, maybe a few times more, depends on what is going on with other things.

Russ: ahh.

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(Treebeard makes an early appearance in the session)


Treebeard: greetings.

Russ: greetings Treebeard.

Treebeard: greetings Russ, greetings Skip.

Skip: yes, greetings sir.

Treebeard: and how are we all this day?

Skip: just fine.

Russ: excellent.

Treebeard: good, good. Okay, I know you have been dwelling on numerous questions from our last talk a few moments ago.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: would you being of liking to ask of at this time?

Russ: okay. Two nights ago I went out to the garden and took out some candles and kind of had a little ceremony out there for a deva…

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: to work on bringing good energy into the environment and was starting to feel a nice change happening there.

Treebeard: it is being more of what was?

Russ: yeah, yeah, it seems to be, I don’t know if you'd call it a brighter green? Like when you look out there it seems just brighter? You can’t see anything growing anything more but it just looks brighter. I can’t really feel it, I can’t feel the energy there…..

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: but it’s a perception of brightness.

Treebeard: it is possible that devas are being responding to offering of welcome being back.

Russ: and we gave it a good watering today too.

Treebeard: uh-huh, it is being of very important that care be taken to take of plants. Plants being part of calling for of devas. If they are being neglected then devas feel same way and then things start going not as wanted.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: so being of importance that devas be kept of happiness.

Russ: we're working on that. Trying to think of a kind of like a little statue or something that would be good to symbolize the life essence out there.

Treebeard: depending on what deva being present, depending on whether or not would be of idea.

Russ: hmm.

Treebeard: if it being of deva known of having such then it may be welcomed. If not deva of that being used to of statuary, then deva may get very offended.

Russ: like one of those little pagoda looking things, maybe put a candle inside and it lights up but I can see where it would depend on the deva but how do you get really in tune with it?

Treebeard: being sitting in peace and meditation and feeling the energy with mind’s eye deva will image eyes. If no image then deva not wanting any such thing but you have to being of careful of if it is being of your mind that puts image there or if being of deva’s.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: knowing difference is something that takes of great skill.

Russ: being open and closing off your own personality and ego.

Treebeard: that is being of correct.

Russ: hmm, well that’s always tough.

Treebeard: okay, you are waiting?

Skip: no, just listening and learning.

Treebeard: ahh, I thought I heard question forming.

Skip: no.

Treebeard: okay, continue Russ.

Russ: okay. Devas are aware of us as only energy, correct?

Treebeard: yes and no, remember deva being of different perception of time?

Russ: right.

Treebeard: so being in area for brief moment may be moment when deva see brief moment as a eternity or being of when deva see it faster than being of you.

Russ: right, which is kind of how if I was imagining that kind of perception, then as you were talking about a tree and its perception of us and a similar view of a deva and its perception of us, then to a tree we're almost like a brief flash of energy going by in our 80 years or however long we’re with that tree or corresponding.

Treebeard: could be as unnoticeable as gentle breeze that you do not feel. For example I see on monitor gentle breeze blowing of now in area you are being in but you not feel gentle breeze until I mention.

Russ: uh-huh.

Treebeard: that may be all noticing that tree or deva being doing of you. Yes in part but it is perception for deva and tree being hard for you even with explanation to fully comprehend what is perception for them. Even for being of myself it is of difficulty with my age.

Russ: hmmm.

Treebeard: no, not being totally true, it being more of a brief moment for them to be of flashing but not of energy. It is more as I stated a noticeable, gentle breeze.

Russ: hmm. Now one thing that Omal and I and Skip here, I’m not sure if you were here for that session, but we discussed the various races of Atlantis and the fact that devas were one of the seven races of Atlantis.

Skip: yeah I was here, yeah.

Russ: right and so we discussed how the fact that devas from then could be existing now with no problem at all. For them that lifespan would be nothing.

Treebeard: not so much of could be but being of definite.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: it is very high probability that devas that being then are being now. Some may of being of gone away elsewhere, others may being of new from other locations because of devas saying go to such place. But as stated, whether it is of great time or little time is not of importance. The word time being of irrelevance comes to of mind.

Russ: all right, so now the question I have concerning that, is with such longevity and such a almost mythical if not godlike abilities that they do possess…..

Treebeard: pardon me, I am being reminded not to interrupt with answer before you have finished orating.

Russ: oh, sorry. Well the oration was basically is how can we interreact.......I mean what is their.......I should say, what is their goal? Their purpose for us then throughout this existence of our earth? They must hold a rather huge purpose for us but I don't think we really see it in any kind of sense that we can comprehend.

Treebeard: if I was being giving you of answer then they would not have goal and objective or agenda that may be working on so to give answer by saying what I believe is their agenda serves very little of purpose.

Russ: hmm, so.....

Treebeard: they being having of their own agenda which they may or may not be of telling but main agenda being in my perception from my experiences back home is more for helping of plants so you achieve a higher of spiritual level.

Russ: actually that’s a very good answer for getting a clue.

Treebeard: but it is important to say that that is my belief.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: I do not know answer for reason that devas do not tell.

Russ: but still it’s something to dwell upon as a clue for getting our own perception of an answer and also our own belief.

Treebeard: it is my belief, it is not what I think they are of telling me.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: it is pure conjecture of what I think and feel that their agenda is.

Russ: let me put one last point on that then is that helping the growth of plants helps in our growth of spirit.

Treebeard: yes.

Russ: okay.

Treebeard: simple answer for simple worded question.

(Russ starts laughing at Treebeard's answer)

Treebeard: but I could extrapolate and analyze the question and come up with much longer answer but for you being of…..

Russ: hasty?

Treebeard: yes, it is being best to give simple understandable yes.

Russ: okay, that’s workable.

Treebeard: okay, we have of more questions please?

Russ: with your own experience with plants.....

Treebeard: uh-huh.

Russ: to them, are you not similar to being a deva to the plants? Or myself helping the plants, do they see the difference between the two?

Treebeard: as I stated, perception of time even of my age, I am but flash in eye of deva.

Russ: oh, this is from the plant's perspective let’s say.

Treebeard: no, because being of different corporal form, it is a different stimuli that is being of given to plant. It would be like saying that the feline look upon you as a deity for supplying warmth, comfort, food, love, affection as opposed to someone that would be stepping on little ones and treating with disrespect and hurting. Even not thinking but they are being of hurting would be looked upon the other side as a deity of darkness so it is wrong to be of saying that.

Russ: I see.

Treebeard: for plant it is more of you are different stimuli giving a reaction that is being of needed. A caregiver as you are being of a caregiver yourself even if not realizing what you are being of doing, to some you are giving care that it is needed even though they do not perceive without assistance that they would be where they once were.

Russ: hmm.

Treebeard: yes, that is what is needed.

Russ: what?

Treebeard: you ask question.

Russ: oh well I was asking if do trees need to be kept, even though we don’t deal with trees, experiencing as far as watering or anything, pretty much we leave them alone. Still, we’re not cutting them down or hurting them.

Treebeard: you are doing what is needed to be done to word it differently.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: sometimes my mode of being speaking is of difficult to follow but it is just same so for me being listening to your questions.

Russ: right.

Treebeard: for me even though I have to be of listening, I see much clearly more what you are of saying and what is being not said in what you are saying.

Russ; uh-huh.

Treebeard: so sometimes being of necessary for me to answer more than just of one question that is being of spoken. So when you be listening again you will hear also other answers that you were thinking of.

Russ: ohh.

Treebeard: so by doing so it aids in what is being thought as well as what is being said as in your minds you have many levels of thought processes occurring. There is on level, top-level what you are thinking to ask. Underneath there is a level where you are dwelling on what was said. Underneath there is a level that you are dwelling on other matters such as fiscal gains by working hard to spread pleasure as my great, great, great, great, great, great grandniece being of does. And again there is another level where part of mind is concerning of what was spoken earlier by Madam Ambassador and what is needing to being of done so many thought processes and picking right one to give answer is easy but when thinking of others to answer those as well aids in process sees for you when of later.

Russ: well it’s a great teaching tool that’s for sure.

Treebeard: thank you.

Russ: thank you.

Treebeard: I am honored to have of comment.

Russ: we’re honored to have you here with us.

Treebeard: okay, I will be of departing and hand back to one who wishes to be known as Mistress of Ring.

Russ: okay but thank you very much for that enlightenment on our levels of thought, I’ve never really heard it put that way but you’re quite correct. I don’t understand it myself what it goes through, I don’t understand the process but you kind of well put it in a nice form for people to understand.

Treebeard: I make it as simple as possible. Now I be of going.

Russ: okay farewell.

Skip: thank you Treebeard.

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(Kiri takes on the ring mistress role upon her return)


Russ: Kiri.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: good to see you back.

Kiri: what’s wrong with my back?

Russ: I can’t see it.

Kiri: oh good but you said welcome back? It was sort of like, "what’s wrong with my back?"

Russ: good to see you back. You know Treebeard actually peeled our thoughts away like onions the way he did that, did you notice?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he’s like, there is the onion, here’s one layer, here’s another layer, here’s another layer, well we got a long way to go until we get to the core but yeah, there's all the layers. It's just like, not bad, I was very impressed.

Skip: I don’t he ever got to the core.

Russ: oh no, just the outer layers there, it was very impressive.

Kiri: I think he just removed a few outer layers. It’s fascinating to watch him at work when he is being very maestroful.

Russ: oh yeah, it’s like good control.

Skip: how you doing tonight young lady?

Kiri: I’m doing good.

Skip: good.

Kiri: okay, I’m here tonight, I’m back on duty as a ring mistress where I have my shorts on…..well actually they’re Tia’s shorts from when she was ring mistress. Feel a little uncomfortable but they look the part. I have my waistcoat on, I have my tall hat and I have my whip.

Russ: good deal, excellent.

Kiri: actually it’s a silk whip so it’s nice and gentle, keep everybody in line. Okay now…..

Russ: herding the technicians all around the place.

Skip: yeah right.

Kiri: I have my coercion. Okay, talking of coercion…..

Russ: ahh yes.

Kiri: okay, first of all I want a report from both of you on your coercion.

Russ: hey, I’m rock ‘n rolling this week.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: party, party, party. Working on my blocks of time, people who never had them before, boom, nailing them. But ten-hour block, I got one but it was somebody who already had another block before so I just got them to increase it so I’m not sure if that quite qualifies but I got a lot of five-hour blocks done.

Kiri: okay, people that normally have five bump them up to ten, that’s the objective for next week.

Russ: I can do that.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: now in the coercive form of that, I’m throwing through the whole background, focusing being going, "ten-hour block, ten-hour block, hey, ten-hour block would be good, you’d like a ten-hour block and it’s only four bucks an hour."

Kiri: ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, I see your problem right away.

Russ: okay, that’s what I want to go over this, I'm working little bit to get this down.

Kiri: okay, you’re making it a long sentence. Now remember, let’s put yours on hold for a second, let’s see Skip’s report, let’s see if we can kill two birds with one stone because I don’t have Treebeard’s capability, pity.

Russ: ahh well.

Skip: I wasn’t supposed to do anything.

Kiri: yes you were.

Skip: no I wasn’t.

Kiri: you were supposed to get somebody to do something for you that they wouldn’t normally do. Okay, that will be your task for next week, okay?

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: we in school?

Kiri: uh-huh, everybody’s in school tonight. Okay….

Russ: brrrpp, no star for Skip.

Skip: sorry I just……

Kiri: I’m trying to remember if I did tell Skip to do something.

Skip: I don't think so.

Russ: I don’t think you’d did actually, I think you asked him, “okay, what did you do, you’re supposed to do that? And he says......you're supposed to get a young person to do something he says, “I did.” And I said, “but I didn’t” so you said, “okay Russ, you’ve got to do this and sell it ten-hour block”, I don’t think you went and actually gave him anything to do.

Skip: no I don't think you did darling, that’s why I’m kind of dumbfounded here.

Russ: yeah you had that look of shock like a deer in the headlight look.

Skip: sorry about that darling.

Kiri: okay, for next week Skip you’ve got to get somebody to do something that they wouldn’t normally do for you.

Skip: all right.

Kiri: okay? Now Russ, getting back to Russ’ problem. Okay what Russ is doing is can you please repeat what you're doing?

Russ: I was working on them with the…...

Kiri: hold on. Skip you're going to help me here point out what Russ is doing wrong. Remember what coercion is. Okay, continue Russ.

Russ: okay, I’m working on them and talking to them verbally but mentally I’m projecting, "ten-hour block would be good, good with a ten-hour block, four bucks an hour, here’s the benefits, ten-hour block, let's push for that ten-hour." That kind of thing.

Kiri: but you were thinking what?

Russ: ten-hour block.

Kiri: okay and just now you said that you were thinking also that it would be good for them, it’s only four bucks an hour, is that part of the thought process or is that what you’re telling them?

Russ: yeah, I’m putting it into a sentence kind of thing yeah.

Kiri: yeah, in the thought process?

Russ: right.

Kiri: see what you're doing? What’s he doing Skip?

Skip: he’s contradicting himself.

Russ: I am?

Skip: yes you are. Don’t put your price in there, just think ten-hour block, forget what it cost per hour.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: "ten-hour block, buy." Ten-hour block, buy." Ten-hour block, buy."

Skip: that's it, nothing else. You got it darling.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: by putting all the extras and bells and whistles, what you're doing is you’re muddying the waters, you're adding distractions, you’re making too much a thought process for them.

Skip: you’re pulling their attention away from what you want them to do.

Russ: I’m glad we’re talking about this so I can streamline this down a little bit and get it more…..

Skip: ten hour block.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: dialed in.

Kiri: ten-hour block to the point. "Ten-hour block, buy." "Ten-hour block, buy." Because as I said, if you’re putting too much emphasis on, it's four bucks an hour, you’re giving them a lot to think about and a lot of it is just going….

Russ: so I’m just directing my thought going ten-hour block to the point.

Skip: that’s it.

Kiri: yeah, "ten-hour block, buy." "Ten-hour block, buy." "Ten-hour block, buy."

Russ: okay, seems easy.

Kiri: uh-huh, coercion can be very, very easy. Now when you get into the higher end of getting somebody to totally do something totally under your command, that’s when it becomes difficult and complicated if you don’t have the training. And I’m not going to go into that because the training is very complicated, very long and takes a lot of practice and mental wattage.

Russ: yes?

Skip: I got a question to ask you.

(Russ laughs)

Russ: what a lead up.

Skip: how do I coerce somebody when I don’t do it?

Kiri: okay, good question. A lot of coercion can be done vocally, a lot of vocal coercion is done through tones in the voice. Pure mental coercion, different group, sub-group, totally different. Voice coercion is by being of a persuasive tone, by making the person feel that it’s the right thing to do, it’s the proper thing to do. That’s very simple, basic coercion is manipulating somebody by what you are saying. For example, my lead up to the question that you asked was a simple demonstration of coercive ability. Are you sure the recording device is on?

Russ: double checking....

Skip: yeah, it's running.

Kiri: okay, must be getting pretty close to ending.

Russ: yeah we got movement, some ways to go though but……

Kiri: really?

Russ: yeah, probably like, looks like about five minutes at least.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: oh okay, so I’ve got five minutes to kill. I was watching the chronometer up here and it’s saying there’s a lot less time. Okay anyway, back to coercion. The main thing is when you’re using the voice is to use certain tonal frequencies, certain gentle tones that it might be a good idea if you come with me and help me with this. If you were to stand up, walk over here and give me some assistance. Or, by setting up a word structure of, "let us look at what Russ was saying and see what’s wrong, Skip you can assist me in that". That in itself was an example of voice coercion.

Skip: then I did do that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I mean since the last time we was together.

Kiri: okay that doesn’t count, you’ve got to do it again because we didn’t give you a project......

Skip: oh okay.

Kiri: because I was remiss and I forgot and I was being a flake and I thought I had but I hadn't.

Skip: but I do it through voice coercion.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay but you see what I did when we were looking at your question to start off with Russ was that I coerced Skip into assisting me by using just my voice.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: I didn’t use any capable powers, I didn't use Mark's coercive ability, I didn’t use mine, I didn't use anybody's apart from my voice.

Skip: yeah, yeah, okay.

Russ: all right, I have a Jedi question. Now, I’m sure you’re familiar with the "Star Wars" trilogy or at least you could’ve looked in Mark’s penguin-filled cupboards to find one and in that you notice where like in the first movie, Obi-Wan comes into town in a speeder with Luke and the guards stop them and Jedi of course, Obi-Wan says, “you don’t need to detain this person” or whatever he says and the guard goes, “we don’t need to detain this person”.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now there was a perfect form of coercion that my readers really want to hear about and……

Kiri: okay.

Russ: how is it the Jedi is doing it, what is he doing and is it possible to do it in real life?

Kiri: the impression that I got is that for the entertainment they vocalized what he was actually thinking.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that they put it in to vocalize his thought processes, what he was actually thinking as opposed to what he was saying.

Russ: hmm, so he was like thinking out loud.

Kiri: yes, thinking out loud but for the viewers to be able to see what was actually going on. More than likely my guess would be that he was actually thinking, "you do not need to check the vehicle, you do not need to check anything".....

Russ: right.

Kiri: "those aren’t what we're looking for".

Russ: right and when Luke says, "how did you do that, I thought we were going to get caught for sure?" And Obi-Wan says, "well the weak minded are often susceptible to......." whatever.

Kiri: exactly but I think that whole entire thing was so that people could understand what was going on. Not so much as part of the plot but they had to vocalize what was actually being thought and to emphasize that they had the young man do or say what he said.

Russ: now for somebody on this planet to use a similar technique, they would have to be I would assume a grandmaster class coercer to pull off something in a similar vein.

Kiri: not necessarily.

Russ: really? Do tell.

Kiri: not necessarily. For example, by being a strong-willed individual and being able to focus in on what somebody is saying in such a way that you’re looking at them......

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and you can perceive that where they are heading on what they are saying, you can speed up their process by giving them more of an interested look when you’re actually thinking, "okay speed up, faster, faster, I need to know where you're going". Or the look of, "I'm interested but this is as boring as hell, it’s time to end it". Have you ever noticed that sometimes people will be talking and the person is looking at them very intently and all of a sudden they just stop in mid-sentence? It’s because the other person is either very bored by what they're saying and they're trying to look like they’re interested. In fact what they’re saying is, "finish, stop, this is boring".

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and what the person actually does is stops.

Russ: well see that’s one of the reasons I’m trying to get Mark to see the new Star Wars movie because the Jedi in that use some very good techniques.

Kiri: uh-huh. Don’t underestimate Mark's coercive ability.

Russ: no I know but I mean it's just I’m watching this going wow, this is some really good stuff to learn from on proper use of coercion.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: never once do you see them use it for personal gain or anything, it’s a very good demonstration of positive coercion.

Kiri: uh-huh, positive coercion is very, very important. There is as I have told you in the past, things that you do not do when you coerce. Not to say that people will and we’ve always been very, very careful in how we word things so that there is as little as possible of the ability to take what we give you and then use it in a negative way.

Russ: hmm, anyway that was a very enlightening way of looking at that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it’s good to hear that that is possible in our life for just regular people.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: I think it’s a matter of being just awareness isn’t it?

Kiri: to a certain extent yes.

Russ: I mean it’s how aware you are with the person in the surroundings that you’re in is how well you can even coerce them and working with them.

Kiri: and also it’s the receptive ability of the other individual.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: as you brought up, a weak-willed individual is a much more receptive vessel to be told to be quiet, to shut down, to go away, to do whatever then a very strong-willed individual or a very deep thinking or a strong-minded individual. The weaker the individual’s mental capability or thought processes or comprehension, the easier it is…….


SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Kiri completes her conversation so her sister can channel)


Kiri: I can think of quite a few individuals that are so easy to coerce within both of you's immediate sphere of influence that it would be good practice to use that coercive ability to benefit not just yourselves but them in their advancement of awareness. Just using mental, not saying, but using mental coercion.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: uh-hmmm, because young people don’t have that strong will established until they get a little bit more education.

Kiri: well I’m not just saying just young people, I’m saying that there is a wide spectrum of people within your immediate sphere of influence that would be useful tools for you to learn how to use that coercive ability. Even vocally in Skip’s case and mentally in your case Russ.

Russ: hmm.

Skip: well I have an uncanny knack of being able to talk my way into or out of just about anything in the world.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and I’ve always had that.

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s because you know how to use voice coercion in a way that is very beneficial.

Skip: never thought about it as coercion though.

Kiri: well if you look at the term coercion it means to control something by your will. Okay, so controlling somebody by your will by using your voice is….

Skip:. yep, yeah I got you.

Kiri: and using your mind to do the same thing is…

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: okay. No Skip, I’m not going to tell you how to build a warp core engine, don't ask me to do that.

(Skip laughs)

skip: I love you darling, thank you.

Kiri: thank you, I love you too sweetie pie. Okay.

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(Karra enlightens us on ritual healing)


Karra: okay, I’m back.

Russ: hiya darling.

Karra: hey. Okay, what we’re doing is we’re trying to fill in here a little bit as we are short Omal at this time.

Russ: hmm, was he supposed to show up tonight?

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh, that’s what I thought, I didn’t think he said he was taking off the week.

Karra: no, I didn’t think so either.

Russ: he said he was doing the nap last time…….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which we understood.

Karra: uh-huh. He should be here but I’m not alarmed, he will show up.

Skip: no, don't worry about it, don't worry about it.......

Russ: we'll fill in some time.

Skip: no big thing.

Russ: we have 45 minutes we can kill.

Skip: there you go.

(Skip and Russ start laughing)

Russ: go-ahead, you start the ball rolling darling and we’ll just follow right along.

Karra: no, I’m hoping that he will show up.

Skip: well if he does he does, if he don’t he doesn’t. We’ll be disappointed but…..

Karra: I’d say, this is fake wood isn’t it?

Russ: yes it is.

Karra: okay so, let’s see as we’re filling in here….

Russ: always have to be a ring mistress in these situations.

Karra: I’m not the ring mistress, the real ring mistress should back up.

Russ: oh I know, I just thought you were kind of back for fun.

Karra: okay let’s……..fun? Let’s see, what can we discuss?

Russ: well we can discuss your diplomatic fun games you have coming up here or we can go on to more dietary supplemental things.

Skip: or if you want to go on to the physical, spiritual healing bit you can go that way too.

Karra: okay that works.

Skip: okay.

Karra: physical, mental and spiritual healing. Okay now what have we got so far? We have using water to cleanse your hands….

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: we have using energy balls.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: we have using rituals. Have we covered rituals?

Russ: yeah.

Skip: a little, maybe I wasn't present when you covered them thoroughly.

Karra: well we can cover them again, it’s always handy to go over rituals. Now part of the healing purpose of a ritual is to awaken the conscious, spiritual side of an individual and also to bring the two energy patterns into alignment where they can work together. Sometimes it’s necessary for a healer to go down but sometimes a healer can’t go down that far so the healer will go down as far as they can and bring the other person up to a spiritual level that is close enough for the healer to work from. Now depending on what religious beliefs the individual is depends on what religious practices the healer will use in a ritualized ceremonial healing. Let’s say you are a Native American. Okay what you would do is to bring somebody up or down to your spiritual level depending on their level or their energy level is that you would sit with them within a very hot area which is part of the spiritual……..you would call it I believe a heat house?

Skip: sweat lodge.

Karra: sweat……thank you…..sweat lodge and in doing so what you’re doing is you’re bringing them up or down to your level as well as you moving up or down to their level. That is part of the religious practice that aids in the ceremonial and ritualized healing. Now once you have achieved that level then you can start to do the healing process of the energy transference which in actual fact what you're doing is you’re guiding their energy and augmenting it with your energy into a healing platform that they can use. Whether it is more your energy than their energy is besides the point, what you’re doing is you’re getting them to focus the energy and do the work themselves. A lot of healing rituals are designed to do just that is that even though we have an unlimited supply of energy to work with, it is limited by several factors. One is our stamina, one is their stamina, one is the mental condition that you're in, one is the mental condition that they're in, one is the actual health that they’re in. These are just five factors that have to be considered when doing a ritualized healing. Also part of some rituals is fasting or taking psychedelic drugs to aid in bringing the mental awareness up or down so that they can mesh with you. Now these rituals are very important to some people, even in modern surgical facilities it’s very ritualized. Scalpel, forceps, autoclave, suture, needle, forceps, swab, it’s all very, very ritualized in how things are done and for a reason. Because even though the subject is unconscious, the energy is being aided and flown through the ritual. Forceps, scalpel, suture, clamp, irrigate, swab, all these are part of the ritual. Even in a modern setting with the lighting and the sterilized table and the sterilized equipment and so on. So the ritual, even if you think it’s not practiced anymore, actually is. If you take into consideration such other practices as listening to classical music whilst they’re doing the procedure or their favorite tunes of the subject that is in healing or bringing them gifts of flowers and sitting and talking with them, that’s all ritualized if you look it how things happen. Okay……..well all don’t ask a question all at once, it’s overwhelming.

Skip: yes I realize that it is, I’m just observing and dissolving on what you said.

Karra: I know.

Russ: well I’m working on how to change that downstairs into a more energy center. Now that's all pretty much all what it can be used for, what it will be used for. So to aid in healing let’s say or to aid in meditation and to use your ritual like you're talking about, how to set that up.

Skip: can I intervene here just a minute?

Karra: certainly.

Skip: okay I was going to a lady that’s a graduate from Barbara…

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: physical, spiritual, healing graduate. The room that she had set up had a table in it, her desk, a radio…..a disc player actually is what it was and two open windows.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: nothing more to distract you but nothing less to distract you. In other words it was comfortable and she would play soft music while all this was going on.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: no vocal music, all instrumental.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: it was very relaxing and she went through her own physical ritual of hands-on healing……..

Karra: hmmm.

Skip: where she went the same route every time that……..you understand what I’m saying?

Karra: yes.

Skip: because that’s the way she was trained….

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and it’s part of her ritual.

Karra: exactly but the problem that Russ has brought up is what do you want the room for?

Russ: well it’s a multipurpose room.

Karra: that’s right, so you got the problem.

Russ: right.

Karra: for healing you want a bright, light airy facility. For meditation you want it fairly dark, you want it comfortable, you want it warm so therefore you’ve got the conflicting structures but I think we can work with that. One of the important things is the energy flow, all centers require a good energy flow, good being the operative word. What you might think about doing is moving exercise equipment out of that area and putting it somewhere where it is……because what you're doing is you're creating a different kind of energy that is not that compatible with it.

Skip: it distracts you?

Karra: correct, what I’m saying getting back to the energy flow, it is important to have the correct energy flow. It’s not a storage area for clothing, it is not a storage area for knickknacks, it is what you want it to be is a healing, meditation, metaphysical area correct? So that’s something that has to be laid out.

Russ: all right so we actually have to design it.

Karra: correct and then once it is being used for that purpose, that is the purpose it is used for, it is not a storage area. It is not a area to come down, sit down and just be idle. It is an area that you go to do your meditation, to do your healing, to do your research on astral travel, to do your various techniques and practices.......

Russ: I see.

Karra: but it is not an area for storage. I know I’m harping on that.

Russ: no, no, no, you’re right, you’re right.

Karra: yeah. So having an exercise equipment in there is also a distraction.

Russ: well I can get that out of there, that's easy.

Karra: yeah, having a setup that is beneficial for mental awareness and advancement is what you want. So what you might try to do……and here’s an idea……is the little window, not the sliding glass one.

Russ: right.

Karra: is get one of those curtains that comes in a circle that you can draw open and closed. Something like that would be perfect because you can do your healing with beautiful light streaming in through the windows, actually that’s a little bit tricky with that window, it will give it more lighting.

Skip: and then do you meditation by closing it, the blind.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: another thing to do would be to specifically designate that as your domain.

Russ: right, well I set that the other day.

Karra: yes I know and it is totally your domain. Coming and going to pick up the laundry is fine but it is your domain, your private space.

Russ: okay.

Karra: you need that.

Russ: yeah I know, I'm just trying to arrange things now. Well getting the exercise equipment out will help a lot, won't be a clothes hanger anymore.

Karra: exactly. Okay talking of that, okay, the motivation techniques that we’ve used are working well.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: not as well as I anticipated.

Skip: darling I got a question for you.

Karra: sure.

Skip: my……you have met (name edited).

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: okay? She told me something the other day that just kind of floored me.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: she has the ability to see inside of another person’s body……

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and to be able to heal it.

Karra: ahh, but what's she doing with it?

Skip: well it overwhelmed her so much because it’s the first time she’s ever used it that way. It scared the living &^%$ out of her, let’s face it.

Karra: also from what Kiri’s telling me is she’s getting a little dark as well.

Skip: she’s what now?

Karra: getting a little dark. I don’t mean bad, I mean she’s gotten a little dark in her moods.

Skip: yeah.

Karra: she needs to be brought out of that before it starts to reverse all the work that’s been done on her.

Skip: okay, all right.

Karra: by your doctors and by yourself.

Skip: okay because she can’t get up here, she’s working now at a job where she has to be on a graveyard shift.

Karra: ahhh, that might be part of the reason why she’s getting dark moody.

Skip: it could be, it could be.

Karra: but what we’ll do…..what you should do is suggest that she goes out with her friend and relaxes and has a girl's night.

Skip: yeah because she doesn’t have a girlfriend per se.

Karra: well she needs to get in contact with her friend.

Skip: she needs somebody, she really does.

Karra: yeah, she needs a good friend to go out and have some fun with.

Skip: yeah. Okay, thank you darling.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, but what you can do is when she comes over, you can make bright, cheerful situations for her.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: and tell her that being able to see areas that need healing, seeing within the body is something that is a part of her, that she needs to become accustomed to controlling and seeing.

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Karra: the reason I am smiling is guess who’s just showed up?

Russ: yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!

Karra: (sighs)

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(Omal stops by quickly from his duties as base commander)


Omal: okay, greetings and felicitations. I apologize for being delayed, there were certain key matters that needed my attention.

Russ: you’re a busy man, we don't mind.

Omal: thank you.

Russ: no worries.

Omal: okay, let us get down to business, how much time do we have left?

Russ: about half a tape.

Omal: okay, let us get through these things as quickly as possible as I do have to return to deal with the situation.

Russ: oh, okay, no problem.

Skip: go.

Omal: okay, ask your questions.

Russ: oh, I brought that piece of paper.

Omal: ahh okay, let us…..

Skip: go ahead Russ.

Russ: okay, this is dealing with a incident that happened in.......doesn’t say. "Another unusual crystal find bears directly upon the use of crystals as the generator for the universal form of power. In 1970, Dr. Ray Brown, a naturopathic practitioner from Mesa Arizona was scuba diving with friends near the Berry islands Bahamas in an area 20 miles from the edge of the submarine drop-off called the tongue of the ocean. During the dive, Brown became separated from his companions and in trying to rejoin them suddenly saw a strange pyramid shape looming up against the aquamarine light. The pyramid was situated 22 fathoms down and stood 120 feet high with only 90 feet projecting out of the seafloor’s shifting sands. Brown was first struck on how smooth and mirror-like the stone surface on the structure was. The joints between the individual blocks almost indiscernible. Swimming about the capstone which the diver thought looked like lapis lazuli, he discovered an entranceway, decided to explore further. Passing along a narrow hallway, Brown finally came to a small, rectangular room with a pyramid shaped ceiling. What was amazing was the room contained no algae or coral growing on the inner walls, they were completely spotless. In addition, though Brown had brought no flashlight, he could see nevertheless everything in the room perfectly. It was very bright and well-lit with no direct light source was visible. Brown’s attention was drawn to a bright scintilla rod three inches in diameter hanging from the apex of the center and at its end was attach a many faceted red gem which came to a point. Directly below the rod and gem sitting in the middle of the room was a stand of carved stone topped by a stone plate with scrolled ends. On the plate rested a pair of carved metal, bronze colored hands life-size which appeared to be blackened and burned as if having been subjected to tremendous heat. Nestled in the hands and situated four feet directly below the ceiling rod gem point was a crystal spheres 3 ½ inches in diameter. Brown first attempted to pry loose the ceiling rod and red gemstone but neither would budge. Turning back to the crystal sphere he found it easily separated from the bronze hand holder and left the pyramid with it. As he departed Brown felt a presence and heard a voice from somewhere telling him never to return. Fearing that his unusual prize might be confiscated as salvage treasure by the US government, Brown did not disclose the existence of the strange crystal or experience until 1975 when he exhibited the crystal for the first time. He displayed the crystal only half a dozen times but each time witnesses have seen or been sensitive to strange phenomenon directly associated with it. Deep within the crystal form one gazes upon three pyramidal images, one in front of the other in decreasing sizes. Some entering into a meditative or alpha brainwave state of consciousness are able to clearly see a fourth pyramid in the foreground of the other three." It’s about the Hall of Records in Giza and the position of the three images hold the key to finding the fourth.

Omal: what was the fathom depth?

Russ: I think it was 22 if I remember right. 22 fathoms down.

Omal: 22 fathoms down and……

Russ: 6 feet a fathom puts it at a hundred and twenty something feet.

Omal: he is lying.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: below a hundred feet you need to change the mixture or deeper than a hundred feet have to change the mixture of the oxygen regulator. If he is not using the correct mixture, then he is dicing with death.

Russ: hmmm, interesting.

Omal: 70 feet is the normal safety limit for divers with unregulated tanks. The deeper you go, the more pressure there is.

Russ: ahhh.

Omal: so therefore this is not strictly accurate. If the report is indicating as it is that he was at 22 fathoms?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: then he is in the danger area and if he did go into a temple, first of all I would assume that he would’ve realized the significance of the find and not disturbed it but having been once told not to return, taking an object from somewhere such as that and as you stated he was a natural healing practitioner?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: he would understand that what he would be doing is desecrating something of great importance. So this sounds more like somebody has taken a partial truth and has altered it and has not checked their facts.

Skip: it’s 132 feet is how deep that was.

Omal: then he is well into the danger zone.

Skip: way past the safety moment.

Russ: almost twice as bad.

Skip: because 80 feet is just the limit, no safety at all, that is the limit.

Omal: that is correct. He is past the safety limit. If he came straight back to the surface without decompressing…….

Skip: he'd die.

Omal: correct.

Skip: because the nitrogen in his blood would turn to bubbles and would kill him. You have to be decompressed when you go that deep.

Russ: hmmm.

Skip: it takes about three hours to come back up.

Russ: from that deep? I always thought 120 feet wasn’t that far.

Skip: it is when you’re breathing oxygen or air excuse me, not oxygen, air. They have to mix nitrogen in with it to be able to breathe that deep.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: and still they have to come up and decompress.

Skip: yeah and then they have to keep changing lighter form…..lighter mixture tanks and stay at a certain level so that the nitrogen dissolves in the blood and don’t make bubbles to stop the heart.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: and the brain. Nitrogen entering the brain is worse than an aneurysm.

Skip: hmmm.

Omal: what happens is when you come to the surface is your body bends and thrashes around hence the nickname of……

Skip: the bends. Rapture of the deep is another name for it.

Omal: yes.

Skip: and that’s when you start seeing things when you go down below the safety zone.

Omal: which is quite possible what may have occurred in this case. But…..

Skip: yeah, rapture the deep is like getting hallucinations is exactly what is on account of the nitrogen in the blood.

Omal: however, that does not explain the crystal sphere.

Skip: that’s right.

Omal: the crystal sphere could be a old sphere of that fell into the hands of the individual and is being used with the story to enhance its reputation. But to go to that depth, this is a fictitious story with smatterings of truths and half-truths added in.

Russ: ahhh.

Skip: could be, could have grown over a period of time that it was deeper than it actually was.

Omal: that is another possibility.

Russ: but still, you are asking......people are asking a lot to believe in and.....

Omal: exactly.

Russ: I mean that’s stretching it.

Skip: well….

Russ: just because if we look at Atlantis and we look at what the cataclysm that went through it….

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: how are you going to get an intact pyramid sitting there after what it went through? Even if it’s settled.

Skip: it’s possible.

Russ: I suppose.

Skip: I’m not saying it’s impossible okay?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: you see what you are being asked to believe, it is a lot of subjection, supposition, information and it is a little too detailed.

Skip: sounds like a legend rather than a…

Omal: correct.

Skip: you understand what I…..

Russ: I have had no way to find the guy in any kind of searches except for that little piece that I just read you.

Skip: sounds like a legend.

Russ: I can’t find him anywhere.

Skip: and a legend is always 90% untrue.

Russ: boy you would think there would be a big archaeological search…..

Skip: yes, yes.

Russ: after something like this came to light. And this is '75 years when he finally revealed it. Well that’s 20 years ago. In 20 years no one’s found it?

Omal: and the five-years gap between him finding it and actually announcing it.

Skip: so in his mind it could’ve grown also.

Omal: correct.

Russ: right, how about the guy who took them out diving? He knew where the guy was diving around.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I mean do a little…..

Skip: in 1970?

Russ: 1975? Or 1970, right.

Skip: 1970........

Russ: it’s almost 30 years.

Omal: he would be able to locate approximately where he was from his charts and possibly the feelings of the water and so on.

Skip: well here’s another thing too, it all depends on whether it was a scientific dive or it was a recreational dive.

Russ: it was recreational.

Skip: if it was recreational, the man has no idea where he took him….

Omal: correct.

Skip: he just took him out to dive. Because they don’t mark it.......in other words they don’t keep accurate records of recreational dives.

Russ: right.

Skip: they would if it was a scientific dive, they would know exactly where he was going down.

Russ: right. But still yeah…..

Skip: I’m sorry, I was getting carried away.

Omal: oh that’s quite all right, you are bringing up some very good points.

Russ: right. But see this is all going on the fact that many people have always said that there’s pyramids there, that they’re causing the Bermuda Triangle disturbances, there’s these big crystals that are affecting planes and navigational things because…..

Skip: you know that’s another big in my estimation hoax. And the reason why I say this is because I believe that there’s a magnetic, earth magnetic field out there that spins people’s compasses and everything else and they wander off by not being able to know where they’re at.

Omal: a lot of what is in that area is credited to supernatural phenomenon. As Skip has correctly pointed out, a lot of it is stupidity, regardless of what is there, a lot of what happens is because of stupidity and superstition that they believe and they assume that that area is caused by what is there. Even if there is nothing there, which I’m not going to confirm or deny.

Skip: well no that’s understandable but the biggest thing that I see in almost every instance…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Skip: of the reports that I’ve heard including the aircraft that disappeared in that area, the training aircraft, Army aircraft, their compasses went off.

Omal: correct.

Skip: right away they start panicking. Instead of flying in a straight line and they can see if they're flying in a straight line. The same with a ship, they know if they're turning the rudder one way or another.

Russ: right…..

Skip: they panic and start running around in circles?

Russ: right.

Skip: because their compasses and their instruments go off?

Omal: correct, Skip is very correct in what he is saying.

Russ: so there's a natural phenomenon or there might be an unnatural phenomenon but either way it's affecting…..

Skip: well I say it’s a natural phenomenon to most part, okay?

Omal: regardless of what the phenomenon is, Skip is very correct in saying that it is stupidity that is causing a lot of these missing or disappeared or whatever objects.......

Russ: hmmm, okay.

Omal: regardless of what has been there. Okay my time is as I said limited….

Skip: oh I’m sorry.

Omal: ask a few more questions and then I must…..well ask one more….

Russ: actually that’s it for me, I'm going to let you go.

Omal: thank you.

Skip: me too, go ahead, go ahead Omal. Thank you, we appreciate it.

Omal: live long, prosper and I’ll be back.

Russ: farewell.

Skip: thank you.

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Skip: a lot of it is stupidity.

Russ: yeah see, I won't know until I actually.........if I go there someday and actually feel it myself and then I’ll make a decision.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yes darling?

Kiri: carry on, carry on, I’m listening.

Skip: from what I understand, now there’s no feeling of what’s happening to these people from all the reports I’ve ever heard about it. It’s all the mechanical…..what’s the matter sweetheart?

Kiri: I’m just looking around.

Skip: all the mechanical instrumentation that's on board, whether it be a ship, a plane or whatever it is go wacky, including their radios. Now….

Kiri: as an engineer…..

Skip: we’re talking……what?

Kiri: as an engineer I can explain that.

Skip: go ahead darling.

Kiri: okay what has been given off is an electrical, magnetic field.

Skip: that’s what I was….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: trying to get at is a natural, magnetic vortex?

Russ: not possible, a natural, magnetic vortex that big that can affect things.

Skip: why not?

Russ: because you have some kind of cause to make the effect.

Skip: okay.

Russ: give me a cause and I’ll tell you how that's a possible effect.

Skip: all right, stop and think of how a North and South pole works….

Russ: right.

Skip: okay? It goes….

Russ: earth’s a giant magnet, I got that.

Skip: yeah, the earth is.

Russ: yeah.

Skip: but it goes to a bell between them doesn’t it where there’s nothing? It’s two balls and they go to nothing exactly between them.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Skip: there’s no magnets…..

Russ: I don’t know, I’ve never studied it so……..

Skip: okay, magnetism you’ve got a positive and negative….

Russ: right.

Skip: on this pole.

Russ: right.

Skip: you’ve got an earth around it but the magnetism itself does not go around the earth, it goes like a ball to the center. The center is no magnetism whatsoever, there’s no North there’s no South, it’s a neutral point. That neutral point is damn near at the Bermuda triangle.

Russ: hmm, well wouldn’t that cover the whole earth then?

Skip: no, it would not come out on the whole earth, it would come out at one point because that’s the way North and South works, it comes down to a neutral and that neutral has to go someplace.

Russ: I don’t get it. If North is up here, South is here, then it comes to a ball together.

Skip: no, it goes to two balls together. It’s hard to explain unless……because you can take an instrumentation and go from on a magnetic rod okay? And use a multimeter with megaohms? Really, really high? And you can build a rod and when you hit the center of the rod there’s nothing. When you go the other way it goes back, the needle swings back the other way.

Russ: hmm, so it's in a neutral spot.

Skip: there is a neutral spot.

Russ: would there be a corresponding one on the other side of the earth then in one spot?

Kiri: theoretically I would say yes.

Skip: theoretically you’re probably correct.

Russ: so can we look for unusual events like maybe Amelia Ehrhardt disappearing or something like that?

Skip: no that’s in the Pacific, that isn't exactly opposite of the Bermuda Triangle.

Russ: oh.

Skip: the exact opposite of the Bermuda Triangle would be on earth.

Kiri: it’d be in Asia.

Skip: it’d be in Asia. So, where do all your monks go and llamas?

Russ: so Tibet you think is on the other side?

Skip: yes, I’m almost certain of it.

Russ: I'll have to look on my globe at home.

Skip: but I think it’s almost directly straight across the earth from the Bermuda Triangle.

Kiri: uh-huh, I’m very much inclined to agree.

Skip: and this is where all your monks and llamas and everything else go to get their education and meditate and study and everything else.

Russ: interesting, that would be a very fascinating subject.

Skip: and nobody has ever come up with it before Russ.

Russ: no, nobody would ever think of that being two neutral spots on the earth because of the magnetic pole.

Skip: it’d be straight through, they would be like a T through your North and South pole.

Russ: interesting.

Skip: that would be your neutral that would be coming out on the surface of the earth.

Kiri: so, if that’s the case on your planet, okay let’s extrapolate and analyze here for a second…..if you have two spots opposite each other that is a natural vortex, one on land and one on sea. Now the water would affect it in a way that would cause massive magnetic disturbances. The other one being up high and an area seldom flown over and navigational instruments not being used that much in that area, would not notice the effects as much as a lowland area that is traveled over and through frequently. So, the recorded instances of missing or strange occurrences would be higher in an area where it is more densely traveled and populated then a sparsely less traveled area. So the thing to do would be to look at the strange occurrences of monks levitating, higher astral travel capabilities…..

Russ: telepathy.

Kiri: telepathy, creativity…..

Russ: coercion.

Kiri: coercion.......

Skip: ESP?

Kiri: would be correspondingly high to the quantity of missing or strange occurrences on the opposite location.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: if the location was high and on dry land, I think the same sort of effects would be occurring but because it is not a habitated area but a traveled area as opposed to the other one not being as densely traveled, then the events would be equally proportionate in both areas.

Skip: in other words you’ve got a positive and negative.

Kiri: not necessarily positive or negative, they might….

Skip: not in electricity hon, not in electricity, I’m talking about in….

Kiri: the electric, magnetic field.

Skip: no.

Kiri: no?

Skip: no, in life itself.

Kiri: oh, correct.

Russ: well wouldn't compasses go kind of nuts in Tibet then too?

Skip: they might just do that but like she says, it isn't a traveled area that much and they don’t even fly over it.

Russ: I mean what if you just have a compass in your hand and you’re walking around in Tibet?

Skip: yeah, it would probably go ape shit on you.

Russ: think so huh?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: so we have records of that possibly?

Kiri: possibly yes.

Skip: we probably do but nobody’s ever pursued it per se.

Kiri: because they probably would come up with an explanation that would go something like this. There is a high mineral deposits in that area which should be investigated for mining. Or a possible meteor strike if it’s in a cratered area of a natural crater type arrangement.

Russ: yeah but we’re looking for specific.....

Skip: specific, yeah there you go.

Russ: events related to compasses so therefore we would ignore such simple explanations.

Skip: or instrumentation of any…….
 
Russ: planes.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: or whatever.

Skip: magnetic origin.

Kiri: actually, there may be a way of finding out if there’s anything strange going on in that area.

Skip: you mean I've opened up a can of peas?

Kiri: well, there’s a way of finding out if there is a higher incidence than normal of airplane crashes in that area that could be attributed to malfunctioning navigational equipment.

Skip: there you go.

Kiri: I’ve got a way of finding out.

Skip: good.

Kiri: Russ, so do you.

Russ: of course, e-mail.

Skip: good.

Kiri: correct and this is a clue, look for the second world war, the hump.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Kiri: the hump.

Skip: yep, would you let us know darling?

Kiri: oh I’ve got it accessing right now.

Skip: okay, thank you.

Kiri: you’re welcome.

Skip: maybe I did open up something.

Kiri: oh you did, you opened up a can of worms in a very good area of…..something that both of you can do research on.

Russ: now here’s another question for you love.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: wouldn't this be not a unique phenomenon to earth but on other planets as well?

Kiri: ahh, we're dealing with Earth, not other planets.

Skip: why not?

Russ: that’s the question I’m wondering.

Skip: if it works here why can’t it work everywhere?

Russ: why wouldn’t Mars have something like that? And if that was true, would possibly be those pyramids on Mars be someplace that might be a good explanation for a…..

Skip: a vortex.

Russ: vortex there? Absolutely.

Skip: and the face.

Russ: and the face, two faces.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: so, you’d have to look on the other side of Mars from that direct point to find the other…..

Skip: vortex.

Russ: vortex, which would be interesting to see what’s on that side.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Kiri: hmm?

Russ: Kiri, what’s your feelings on the matter?

Kiri: feelings? I don’t have feelings.

Russ: yeah right.

Kiri: not on those matters anyway.

Skip: anyhow…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: that’s a good one to open up.

Kiri: uh-huh, I think so too. We're almost at the end there aren’t we?

Skip: yeah I think so darling.

Russ: now wait a minute, here’s another point for you to consider. Why would anybody want to set up a very large civilization on a continent with crustal instabilities unless you had perhaps something that would be attracting you to put a civilization there?

Kiri: or a colony there.

Russ: or a colony there.

Kiri: okay that brings up some very good points. Now okay, let’s give you another little project, one that's going to be for a month okay? I want you to plan the colonization of your planet. Where would be the ideal place now to colonize? Now remember it’s got to have a good food supply, good climate, good mineral supply, safe environment, stability, it’s got to be situated somewhere where the growing season is going to be long enough but there’s got to be enough precipitation to aid in the growing process. What I want you guys to do is to write out a full…..or not a full write out……but make a full explanation on an area that you would colonize on a barren…..not on a barren planet……on a planet that is your planet and there is nobody on your planet.

Russ: how big is this colony?

Kiri: let’s say….

Russ: give me a number of people I can work with.

Kiri: let’s say 10,000 people.

Russ: 10,000, okay.

Kiri: enough of a logistical problem to give you some headaches. You’ve got to find a location that would be ideally suited for a colony. You got to take everything into consideration. Climate, land, weather, food supply, water supply, mineral supply, agricultural supply, accessibility, inaccessibility, defense, everything.

Russ: why, is there other tribes out there trying to take you over or something?

Kiri: no, it’s a colonization of a planet. Anything external….


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