Archivist Notes: It's appropriate that a
tape recorded on Halloween of 1995 should be posted
twenty-five years later the next day after
Halloween. In keeping with that theme, things do get
a bit spooky as we discuss an area in Sedona that
has some unusual energies. While there may be some
very positive energy surrounding the vortex's in the
area, an opposite type of energy exists, though this
was a long time in the past. Not in the past were
the Merkabah, a race similar to Ashtar Command who
are also a part of the Galactic Federation. It's
always nice to hear the ways we are protected by
multiple groups while we advance consciously as a
species. We also get to experience Korton giving a
lesson on communication crystals to show the various
ways they can be used. The demonstration was due to
a friend of mine from Sedona who had moved in with
Mark and I while he transitioned between one chapter
of his life and another. Getting acquainted with the
Ashtar Command members was first on his list
throughout the rest of the side and a lot of side
two. It was old home week as he had been with me
when we first saw Omal and Korton channeled through
another person named Roger Pinion. Meeting them
again through Mark was picking up from where he had
last left off with Omal continuing their previous
conversation in Sedona. The other main points
brought up on side two were Omal giving a recital
from the bridge of the U.S.S Enterprise in the
original "Star Trek" and a review of the material
Kiri had been presenting to us regarding the Sirian
Chronicles. Now, on to a more detailed summary.
Fans of the "Rocky Horror
Picture Show" will appreciate the beginning of side
one as Karra leads us through a quick time warp
before we get down to business. She brings on Korton
to take her place and his participation in the
channeling session was due in part to my contacting
the Sedona Journal of Emergence about placing
channeling transcripts in their magazine. I also
wanted to know from Korton what of the Sirian
Chronicles could be used. Kiri had been dictating
off of the actual records from the Sirian Library
the week prior and we now had a comprehensive
history of Sirius over hundreds of thousands of
years. When Korton refers to her as a librarian, it
is because she is the librarian of Sirius which is a
responsibility handed down to her that is both
ceremonial and functional as it was in this case.
Moving on, our guest had brought two communication
crystals from Sedona and Korton walked us through
some hands-on training in how they work. Channeling
crystals refer to crystals with a front face of
seven sides and a back face behind it of three
sides. With Korton's help, our guest and I were able
to exchange thoughts while our guest was able to
connect with his guides to channel a three-word
sentence. For a first-time use, it was an impressive
demonstration. We switch topics to one of the groups
helping in Earth's ascension called the Merkabah.
It's not one of the more well-known races protecting
our planet and so Korton gives a fuller knowledge of
who they are as a species. He also gives us a better
idea of the relationship between the various groups
that oversee the defense of humanity. Korton next
verifies something the residents of Sedona suspected
back when I lived there of a negative energy source
in the form of a dark crystal which counteracts some
of the positive energy of the vortexes. What we
learn from him is that it isn't in a place to
sightsee while visiting or living there just from
the warnings he gives on what could happen because
of the negative influence of the crystal. This was a
point in the channeling session that reality became
much stranger than science fiction. He ends his time
talking by explaining the permanent nature of
information on computers that can remain long after
it has been deleted or intercepted while being
transferred from one computer to another. That
brings on Tia who answers questions until we run out
of questions on this side of the tape. The topics we
cover are the possible independence of Québec,
Mark's growing telepathic skill, and a joke about
One of the benefits of
having new guests come to ask questions of the
speakers on the base was the fresh perspectives they
brought with their questions. Case in point, our
guest from Sedona finds out for us that Kiri has
channeled through both male and female channels here
on our planet. That helps us learn about the
differences between them and Mark in their
channeling techniques. Her being a triple soul with
both Mark and Tia was also helpful in gaining a
better understanding of Mark's ability to time jump.
He might be only gone for only ninety minutes on the
third dimension while spending sixteen hours on the
base long after he had returned to his body. As his
roommate, knowing Mark would be in two places at the
same time became old hat. Omal takes the place of
Kiri and we get into a conversation about
mind-altering substances. This was the continuation
of a conversation started years before in Sedona
with our guest when Omal had been speaking through
the channel named Roger, which was how I met Omal
and Korton. We get a great exchange on whether such
substances have a benefit or become an eventual dead
end. Funny enough, it turns out to be both. We
finish up going over some questions I would have to
revisit with Kiri when she channeled. We start in on
what parts of the Sirian Chronicles could be put
online which became a debate of myself wanting more
than she felt was relevant to our species. One item
that might go unnoticed but should be pointed out is
that she reminds me of how Tonar the Second could
have become part of the union of the mind. Ascension
involves joining that union which is why the third
dimension can be so difficult to leave. Some might
find that joining with others mentally in a group
consciousness less preferable to continuing on
without that sharing. The tape ends just in the
middle of our guest's question on our eventual
ascension which is a shame though what we were able
to record was another example of a channeling
session that fills in some blanks in the archive.
Two examples were that this was our guest's first
session and why we were able to post as much as we
were able of the Sirian Chronicles. Overall, the
session was funny, racy, and packed with important
information. The only thing missing was a longer
conversation with Karra and instead was a more
crucial second stint by Kiri to answer questions
regarding the Sirian Chronicles.
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(Karra temporarily steps into the ring mistress
Karra: okay, down to business.......yes?
Russ: oh, you mean our business?
Russ: oh. Well why are you ring mistress tonight? I
know Tia's tired.
Karra: because Kiri and Tia haven't arrived yet.
Russ: oh they haven't?
Russ: I was going to say, this is a first for you,
darling. Well not first, I mean, in a long time.
Karra: no, it's been a long time.
Russ: a real long time, good. Well let's see, how
are we set up for the party tonight?
Karra: oh, everything is ready.
Russ: oh, it is? Okay.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay now then, both of you, stand up.
Take a step to the left, and a jump to the right,
put your hands on your hip.....
John: and do the Hokey Pokey, oh gosh.
Karra: hey, come on guys, I'm serious.
Russ: all right, all right, all right.
Karra: okay, take a step to the left.....
Russ: step to the left .....
Karra: and a jump to the right.......
Russ: jump to the right.
Karra: put your hands on your hips and do the pelvic
thrust. Group sex, group sex, group sex.
Russ: yeah, welcome to the "Rocky Horror Picture
(Karra sings) "let's all do the time warp again".
John: that was interesting.
a step to the left, and a jump to the right,
put your hands on your hip and
do the pelvic thrust. Okay, I will put on the first
(Korton is the night's first
Korton: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Korton: greetings young man.
Russ: Johnny Omal, Omal Johnny.
John: good to hear from you again Omal.
Korton: it would be if it was Omal.
Russ: oh, Korton.
Korton: thank you.
Russ: well you don't call me Russ very often.
Korton: I do not?
Russ: generally it's Mr. Hatfield.
Korton: no, that is Ashtar.
Russ: Ashtar, oh.
Korton: I will either call you Russ or Russell.
Korton: okay, let us proceed.
Russ: alrighty. Okay, communication wise. First off,
working on the Sedona Journal of Emergence.....
Korton: yes, that is the reason why I am present.
Russ: excellent. Okay, as you know we went over the
Sirian Chronicles, a quarter of that last week.
Korton: a quarter of what Kiri had with her.
Russ: right. And so what I'm wondering is, what is
acceptable for use and what isn't acceptable for
Korton: all of it is acceptable by Ashtar Base
standards. However, you have to discuss it with the
Russ: okay, so it's her final call?
Russ: all right.
Korton: after all, it was with her willingness to
cooperate that you were able to get the information.
We can at least do her the courtesy of discussing it
with her should we not?
Russ: absolutely, I agree. All right, I've got a
lead-in for this that I'm going to be starting this
“For three years, my roommate Mark has been
channeling various entities from the local base of
operations for Ashtar Command in this sector, and
I'm pleased to be able to share transcripts of
conversations with them for all to enjoy. Special
thanks go out to Roger Pinion for my introduction to
Omal and Korton so many years ago."
(Roger was the original channel when John and I
first met Omal and Korton in Sedona)
Korton: that is acceptable.
Russ: excellent. Okay, we are looking forward to
getting some of the information out that we have
been working on for so many years and letting others
learn what we've learned.
Russ: Johnny has a pair of transmission crystals and
being as that you are...
Korton: attending, yes..........let us......black
quartz...........this is the powerful of the two.
John: pardon me?
Korton: this one here is the more powerful of the
John: that's the female, of what I was....
Korton: that is correct.
John: was explained to me was the female.
Korton: that is correct, it has more power and
John: most females do.
Korton: yes, I was about to say do not assume that
all females are wimpy.
John: ahh no, I don't assume that at all. I consider
females to be the superior species on the planet.
Korton: that is a misconception which needs to be
corrected, you are equal.
John: thank you for that clarification.
Russ: okay now, purposes for the transmission
Korton: receiving energy, transmitting
energy, transmitting communication.
Russ: okay, now are we receiving communication also?
Korton: you could say they are more like radios.
Russ: okay, kind of like walkie-talkies with
crystals in them.
Korton: Russ, would you care to hold one?
Russ: oh, sure.
Kortin: would you
care to hold the other one? Now, Johnny....
Korton: think of a thought and project it into the
crystal. Have you projected it into the crystal?
Korton: Russ, what is the thought? Feel it from the
crystal. Greetings feline, greetings Calvin.
John: just getting a job? That's what I had in mind,
just getting a job?
Russ: my first thought was cooking, but I thought
John: well you should have went with your first
thought because your first thought was accurate.
Korton: that is correct, what you do is you go with
the first thought that pops into your mind.
Russ: so I see which you mean. So these are for
amplifying communication from close up or from
Korton: correct, a little bit. Johnny.....
Korton: tell me about cooking.
John: it's what I do in this dimension the best. I
love it, it's in my heart, it's in my soul and I am
fortunate where I am very good at it. I have a
natural knack and I love it, it's my life.
Korton: okay, was that not eloquent, was it not
spoken well? To start off with, you had a little bit
of difficulty, but once you started speaking it
flowed out of you more easily.
John: yes, is the crystal helping?
Korton: correct. Russ.......
Korton: tell me about playing Frisbee golf.
Russ: it's a.....
Korton: do not think about it, just talk.
Russ: well I like the ability to toss a disc a long
distance and see it curve just where I want it to
Korton: you need practice in linking with these. The
person who has had them longer finds it easier to
communicate with them.
Russ: ahh, that makes sense.
Korton: you need to let it flow.
Russ: now, should these be cleansed?
Russ: okay, leave them as is.
Korton: okay now, the purpose of the transmission
crystals is when they fall into your hands, is to
help you with your communication abilities. Not only
by becoming more eloquent in your communication
skills but also to be able to receive and feel the
energy and to be able to transmit it into an audible
form by using your voice. In essence, becoming a
channel for the crystals to communicate what they
John: Russ referred to these as transmitter crystals
and when I was in Sedona, that's what he asked me
John: okay? These are what I was told were
Korton: channeling and trans....
John: what is the difference between a channeling
crystal and a transmitter crystal?
Korton: what Russ is referring to is being able to
transmit communication. For example, I am being
channeled by Mark, Mark's body is transmitting the
information. Do you see what I am saying? That Mark
is a channel for me to transmit information to you.
So therefore he is a channeler and he is also
transmitting information at the same time.
Russ: so the crystals act like Mark.
John: did I do good in....
John: purchasing and selecting these tools?
Korton: yes. Purchase I do not understand the
concept. I understand the principle but purchasing
is something that is a little bit difficult to
John: okay, these crystals came to me.....
Korton: yes, they came into your hands.
John: and I wanted some strong tools....
John: to help with my personal development,
John: and understanding.
Korton: yes, I understand. Now Russ, hand John or
Johnny the crystal. Close your eyes and tell me
about your vehicle of transportation.
John: your question is going to Russ?
Russ: no, to you.
John: to me?
John: okay. I've got a 1980 Dodge pickup, crew cab
with a camper shell on it, very nice truck. Yeah,
it's very, very functional. On the downside of it,
I'd say if there was any kind of negative thing,
it's fuel efficiency.
John: it's not very fuel-efficient but...
Korton: okay, now, clear your mind.
Korton: totally cleared? Now, what is the first
thing that comes into your mind?
John: home on wheels.
Russ: hmmm, I see which you mean.
Korton: uh-huh. Okay, now let us get to the answer
and question part.
Korton: or question and answer.
Russ: one thing I have to wonder is, are those
crystals a good source of Johnny's ability to work
with his guides?
Korton: yes. Again, it goes back to the channeling
Russ: okay, so this is a point where he can focus in
more on his guides....
Russ: and get something like home on wheels.
Russ: oh I see, okay, good. All right.....
Korton: and that was not Johnny saying that.
Russ: oh, okay.
Korton: that was information coming through the
crystals, being channeled through them.
Korton: are you all right there Johnny?
Korton: okay, I was just a little bit concerned that
you were suddenly very quiet. Okay....
John: okay, Russ brought up the Sedona Journal.
John: I'm vaguely familiar with the publication but
I just came here from Sedona.
John: made a long, hard journey to make it here and
I'm curious about a few different things.
John: I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly.
Can you explain Merkabah to me or the relationship
with the Brotherhood? Oh God, sorry.......what is
the correct term for, in my mind, the Brotherhood?
Korton: oh, you mean the organized groups that work
such as ourselves?
John: the Sirians, the Pleiadians, the Merkabah,
everyone involved in the Ashtar Command, I'm curious
about the whole thing.
Korton: we are loosely working together, we try not
to step on each other's toes. This is the standard
answer I'm afraid. We try very hard not to step on
each other's toes. Where we overlap we will
communicate. For example, we will try to interdict
with hostile third dimensional entities that wish to
treat you like lab mice. To run experiments to see
how you work, how you think.
John: Korton, to get back to my first question,
where does the Merkabah play in the whole picture
and can you explain more about the Merkabah to me?
Korton: I can try. They are a semi-reclusive group
of individuals that have traveled quite some
distance and are not even now from their own
original base of operation. What they do is they try to be
guardians, try to steer you in a direction
that they perceive as being to the best
advantage for your species. Some of the things
that they do we disagree with, but we do not
interfere because we do not know what your
ultimate destiny is and neither do they. And
maybe they have the right idea or maybe we
have the right idea or somebody else does, or
all the things combined together by pushing
you in different directions gives you much
more chances of achieving a goal that would be
beneficial to your species.
John: okay, so if I'm understanding you correctly,
you don't work directly with the Merkabah...
John: and the Merkabah is neither......you don't
consider them positive or negative?
Korton: definitely not negative. They have their own
idea on what way your species should be going and we
have our own idea, and both seem to be beneficial at
John: is there positive knowledge to be gained from
the Merkabah for us humans trying to move into the
fourth or fifth dimension?
Korton: sixth dimension.
John: sixth dimension, excuse me. Thank you for
Korton: yes, there is positive information to be
learned from every species that interdicts with your
planet, whether it is positive or negative, the
information to learn can be very positive. Negative
suggests something bad. How can knowledge be bad?
Knowledge of bad things is not bad, it is just what
the knowledge is. How you use it is the key.
John: Korton, are you yourself based on Hades Base
Korton: it is my temporary workstation for a period
John: okay, you said that the Merkabah, I'm
paraphrasing now, not quoting you, but the
impression I got was the Merkabah were here in our
space and time in our dimension, but they were far
John: now you yourself are far from your home
John: am I correct?
John: do the Merkabah have a base like Hades Base or
something I can compared it to?
Korton: the best way to describe it would be a
portable base, a spaceship. And you could put a
spaceship wherever you wish. You could place it on
your moon, you could place it on one of moons of the
many planets in your system.
John: all right, if I may, I'd like to change the
John: like I said earlier, I just came from
John: and there seems to be a lot of.....I hate to
use the word alien.....but for my simple mind I will
use that term. There seems to be a lot of alien and
military activity, and the military activity is very
Korton: yes, I understand exactly what you're saying
and where you're coming from. This is something that
has been discussed and it is something to be
concerned about. That particular area in
Sedona.....for the present the name of the area
John: Secret Canyon? Does that ring a bell for you
Korton: yes it does ring a bell, that could be the
name, but it is an area that is ideally suited for
use by secretive organizations. It also has a power
source which is to be wary of. It is....
John: a crystal....
John: a dark crystal.
Korton: it is not to be approached, unless you are
very, very strong. I myself would have difficulty
with it because it shows you what you could be if
you walk down a particular avenue. It talks to you,
it whispers to you, nice things that lead down a
path which is harmful. But it is whispered so subtly
and nicely that you do not perceive it as that until
it's too late. And please, give yourself more
credit, you're not a simple individual.
John: well I consider myself a simple man but I did
have the perception of this dark or evil.....I don't
know what the correct terminology is.....to leave,
to get away from it.
Korton: uh-huh. What it does is it drives away those
that are pure. I do not mean snow white pure or pure
white as the bib of this feline, as this is, but I
mean that is pure in heart.
John: so I made the right decision leaving?
John: this dark source was draining me......
John: it was starting to work against me and I
needed to get away from it.
Korton: yes, and there were other motives why you
left as well, but I understand that the combination
of all these motives, plus the crystal was enough to
force you to decide to be young again and to take
the challenge of a new environment.
John: thank you, thank you Korton. I have much to
Korton: you're welcome. Russ, one last question.
Russ: one last question, yes, that's what I've got.
Currently, with our current sources of information
all linked up to computers and more information
coming online every day, would the loss of this
information due to what is to become be comparable
to the destruction of the Library at Alexandria?
Korton: because computers now, you tell them to
forget, but they do not forget. There are people
that are employed in retrieving information that
computers have been told to forget that they have
Russ: so that information is always retrievable.
Korton: correct. Because if you send information,
let us say you have a computer downstairs and you
have a computer at your office...
Korton: you send the information by telephone....
Korton: to your office, how many possibilities are
there for information to leak out from your
telephone to the computer at your workstation?
Russ: well they're not hooked up, none actually.
Korton: no, I am saying that if they were hooked up.
Russ: oh, quite a bit. I mean they'd be interlinked.
Korton: correct but there would be many points in
between, between your place of residence and your
workstation where the information could be taken out
of and you would be none the wiser.
Cork: so the information that you send from one to
the other and you tell the other one to forget the
information that you have sent to it, could be
somewhere between the lines on somebody else's
computer that is monitoring your system.
Russ: oh I see. Okay, so that information is
Russ: ahh. Well, thank you.
Korton: you're welcome. Farewell, Johnny.....
Korton: farewell Russell.
Russ: farewell Korton.
John: thank you.
(Tia resumes her ring mistress
duties and gets us to side two)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia. Tired, darling?
Tia: yes, very.
Russ: I understand. It was a good cause, we worked
hard on that one.
(Tia plays with a cat toy in the room)
Russ: so Mark got rather emotional over this
particular subject, which surprised me. I assume a
lot of that was your doing.
Tia: yes, 90% of it was my doing. In fact I think he
didn't realize that he was channeling me at the
Russ: ahh. Yeah, because it wasn't a typical Mark
that I was talking to, who was fired up and....
Tia: you've got to remember that Mark is very
politically astute, even though he pretends
frequently not to be so.
Russ: true, but he doesn't get vehement in his
Tia: it doesn't serve the purpose when talking to
you. If he was talking to somebody else, I'm pretty
sure somebody on his political level, I'm sure that
he would be much more forceful in his communication
and much more passionate.
John: excuse me? You are referring to the situation
John: am I correct?
Tia: that's correct.
Russ: this is to say I'm politically naïve.
Tia: no, I wouldn't say politically naïve, I would
say politically tinted.
Russ: ahh yes, I understand.
Tia: you have to remember that Mark is partially
trained to be a politician.
Tia: notice that he can be very passionate about his
political views, and that he can be very eloquent
when he communicates them.
John: when do you perceive the Québec separating
from Canada? Because it is inevitable in my mind,
unless I'm mistaken.
Tia: I don't think you're mistaken, I think it is
inevitable eventually given time. But it is a
symptom of a greater disease.....well not a disease,
but of a greater picture. You have to remember that
Québec is not the only area on your planet that is
like that. Not necessarily a different ethnic
speaking area but a different ethnic structure, an
area that is totally self-sufficient. Can any of you
tell me where a country has had the same sort of
John: oh gosh, let me think.....South America.
Tia: no, Russ?
Tia: correct. Yugoslavia no longer exists, it is
broken down into ethnic provinces. Name another
Russ: that's easy, Russia.
Tia: no, Russ was very, very close, though. The
Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic.
Russ: oh yes.
Tia: Russia is just a part of it.
Tia: name a country where that worked in reverse.
Russ: you mean where it actually all came together?
John: the United States.
Tia: uh-uh, that's still broken up. Canada is not
part of America, neither is Mexico.
John: it's part of North America.
Tia: uh-huh, but it's not part of the country.
Russ: how about Australia?
Tia: very, very close. In fact I could say yes to
that, but in actual fact it's South Africa.
Russ: how could it be South Africa though?
Tia: Swaziland, Zululand, they were all separate and
Russ: I thought they still were.
Tia: no, they're now all part of it. Remember the
Russ: you mean, Shaka Kar.......?
Tia: no, the one at the moment.
Russ: oh, I can't think of his name now.
Tia: that he tried to run to be president of South
John: can I interject something?
John: I was with Mark.....
John: and he went out of his way, and it is not his
norm by any means to go to casinos.
John: and he took me out the other night.....
John: and at first I thought he was doing it to
Tia: it was partly to entertain you. I discussed it
with Mark and it's partly that you needed to get out
and have some fun and he could kill two birds with
one stone. And at first he didn't want to go.
Remember he was constantly going, "no, I don't want
to do that", remember?
John: yes, I remember quite well.
Tia: uh-huh, and that was the debate between Mark
John: yeah, but Mark got almost a little jealous and
asked me to refrain from my thoughts.
Tia: I don't think he was jealous or anything, I
think it was more of a distraction that you were
transmitting when he was trying to dwell on his own
thoughts. Mark at certain times can be very
receptive to input from other people on a telepathic
level. I don't think he realizes it most the time. I
think the time that you were transmitting, he
happened to be very open and receptive and was
actually aware of the fact that he was receiving
information that was not his own thoughts. Okay,
Russ: oh, how's your costume, wearing hunting
Russ: no clothes this time?
Tia: I've still got my panties and bra.
Russ: oh you do?
Tia: not much of panties this time.
Tia: not much of a bra either.
John: if I understand correctly, you're going to
dress up as a dog?
(Russ and John start laughing)
John: I'm sorry, I've got a sick sense of humor, I
hope you appreciate it.
(Tia hisses at John in fun)
Russ: oh, speaking of cats, Carrie.
John: oh, I apologize. You don't take offense to
what I said, do you?
Tia: no. Carrie's cat, yes, I'm sorry.
Russ: no, Carrie wants to come up to Hades base.
Tia: hmm, yes, Kiri and myself discussed that. I can
work it the other way. I can meta-concert with Kiri
and take Kiri down into her dreams.
Russ: and coerce Carrie up to Hades base?
Tia: I don't think Carrie's ready at the moment,
she's got too much going in her life.
Tia: she's too tense. Mind you, she should stop
camping so much.
Russ: stop what?
John: is that what you said?
Tia: yeah, she's got two tents.
Russ: oh, it's a joke, two tents.
Russ: oh God.
John: you're going to stay out of my aquarium and
leave my giant Plecostomus alone, aren't you?
Tia: it's a catfish?
John: it's a giant Plecostomus.
Tia: it's a catfish.
John: Mark told me that that's how you would relate
Tia: it's got whiskers.
John: it's very similar to a catfish.
Russ: it's in the family of it maybe.
John: but it's a Plecostomus. Would you like some
Tia: yes please, I would love a cup of tea, dearly
love one. Earl Grey hot, little bit of milk, no
Russ: I'll start it up.
John: why are you sticking your tongue out?
Tia: I'm sticking my tongue out at him, he's being
John: okay, after speaking with Korton, I'm....
Tia: blowing off steam.
John: yeah, lightening up and joking around. Russ
has been joking with me all day. He's put me in this
kind of joking kind of mood.
Tia: well, I can put on the calvary in a second. In
fact, I'll put on the calvary now as I'm going to be
semi-ring mistress, we're going to share the duties.
Russ: oh good.
John: define what you're saying to me, what are you
Tia: I'm going to give you some support
on......you're going to get help.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Kiri wants to do a time warp
as she gets started)
Russ: .......one of the girls or Omal.....
Kiri: okay, both of you are standing up, good,
good, good, good, good, good.
John: oh, we're not going to do the Hokey Pokey?
Kiri: okay, take a step to the left.....
John: oh, no.
Russ: we've done this already.
Kiri: she did what?
Russ: she did this already.
Kiri: don't think that, Karra did that?
Russ: she's way ahead of you darling.
John: you want us to do it?
John: step to the left, step to the right.......
Kiri: no, no, no, she already......
John: shake your ass.
Kiri: no, it's put your hands on your hip and do
the pelvic thrust. Look, I'll show you.......
John: that's the Hokey Pokey.
Kiri: I'll show you.
John: that's an old Polish thing, it's a European
Kiri: take a step to the left, and a jump to the
right, put your hands on your hips and do the
(John starts laughing)
Kiri: do you know what you look like? You look
like a refugee from the sixties.
Russ: I would go a bit farther back, like....
Kiri: the 1860s.
John: and can I ask you something about your
John: with you being female and you channeling
through a male, is there any difficulty there
Kiri: there's a lot more sensations that can be
John: because I notice when you're doing those
pelvic thrusts there, you're doing them just like
a female even though you're manifesting yourself
in a male body.
Kiri: I'm still female. Just because I happen to
be inhabiting Mark's body doesn't mean to say that
I can't maneuver it like a female, like I am.
John: well, I mean I'm not insulting or
Kiri: oh no, no.
John: I'm curious.
Kiri: I understand that you're curious, curious is
always an important part of understanding.
John: now, do you have female channels that you
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.
John: do you find it easier?
Kiri: yes, I find it much easier.
John: to work through a female channel?
Kiri: yes, but Mark is part of my triplet soul you
see. So therefore, it's a much easier mesh because
he's very close to my mental frequency. The fact
that he's got a higher IQ than Russ, but both
their IQ's are insignificant compared to my IQ.
John: okay, well I mean the IQ might be a factor,
but I've noticed that Mark has a lot of female
qualities about him.
Kiri: what makes you say that?
Russ: hanging around you girls too much.
John: just my interaction with him, Mark has
female qualities. All of us, all of us males
Kiri: yeah, Mark's......
John: all of the people on this planet have male
and female qualities and I'm not saying that as an
Kiri: no, no, I understand.
John: saying Mark has female qualities.
Kiri: Mark is very in tune with his being, his
flesh and bones and everything.
John: does that help with channeling through a
Kiri: I think it's little bit of a side effect
that Mark suffers from from channeling with us,
that he becomes a little bit more feminine. I
mean, it doesn't make him....
Russ: how about the fact that he's got you in his
brain for eight out of every 24 hours?
Kiri: I think that might have something to do with
it and what have you got in your hand there? Ohhh,
a crystal huh? Crystal fight, crystal fight.
John: do you like crystals?
Kiri: they have their uses.
John: do you use them at school?
Kiri: oh yes, yes, sorry, I was thinking of
something else. Hmm, you've got a good question
there is, I think it's partly because Mark is so
in tune with Tia and myself that he picks up some
of our behavior patterns. Mark, being not
particularly muscular, I think that also might
have something to do with the fact that he can be
a little bit feminine.
John: okay, now I want to make sure I clarify
John: I find that female qualities...
John: in a man are beneficial.
John: and we all have them. Some of us manifest it
more than others, but don't misunderstand.
Kiri: no, no, I don't misunderstand you at all. I
understand exactly what you're saying and what I'm
saying is that the reasons why it's more
noticeable in Mark is because of us. Especially
when he comes home at lunchtime, the few times
that I've seen at lunchtime, he appears to be a
little bit different than at the end of the day.
At the end of the day he seems to be a little bit
more softer and more subtle, whereas when he's
still working but he's on his break, he seems to
be a little bit more less smilely, more serious,
John: now, am I correct that when he comes home
from his lunch break....
John: he's also on Hades Base at the same time.
Kiri: most of the time, yes.
John: and when he comes home from work....
John: he's not on Hades base any longer.
Kiri: that's correct.
John: am I correct?
Kiri: that's correct.
John: is there a relation between.....
Kiri: yes there is, because we're in his mind. For
example, I've noticed that sometimes when I go to
the bathroom, Mark goes to the bathroom. And it's
also funny to notice that Tia will also go to the
bathroom at the same time.
Russ: line forms at the bathroom door.
Kiri: that's why we have a big bathroom. Has Russ
told you about my sexual orientation?
John: well, Mark and Russ have both discussed it
and if I understand correctly, you're bisexual and
partial to women more so than men.
Kiri: uh-huh, that's correct.
John: am I correct?
Kiri: that's correct. I mean, given the choice if
there was three guys and one girl, I'd go for the
John: now what does your sexuality have to do with
anything that pertains to me on this planet in the
Kiri: well the fact that although by your
standards, I'm quite beautiful, it doesn't
John: well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't know what you look like so how do you know
whether I perceive you as beautiful?
Kiri: well I'm 6'1'' in your height, I have
darkish, reddish blondish hair. I'm long legged,
athletic build because I work out once a day for
about an hour. My chest size, I'm not quite sure
of your inches, I should say it's about 35, is
that about right?
Russ: it's about right. 36, I'd say more.
Kiri: well how would you know? You've only seen
them a few times.
Russ: well it's more than a handful, let's put it
Kiri: oh, certainly, yes, they are definitely more
than a handful.
Russ: if I can help a little bit Kiri, that's a
picture of Karra. The big one there, the red one?
(there was a fantasy poster with an image of a
woman much like Karra on the wall)
Russ: and she's Karra's sister and looks similar.
Kiri: a younger version.
John: which one would be more attractive?
Kiri: I am.
(Russ starts laughing)
John: well, why do you say that?
Russ: we're both rather biased.
Kiri: for the simple reason that I have youth on
my side. I'm only 57......58. Okay....
Russ: Karra has maturity. All right, now then....
Kiri: she's an old hag.
John: oh, oh, a little sibling rivalry here, huh?
Kiri: well she's 82.
Russ: is Omal coming in tonight?
Russ: he is?
Kiri: I think so. Anyway....
(Omal now has the floor as far
as questions and answers)
Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Johnny.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: and how's it functioning Johnny? I see by
our monitors that your aura is fluctuating with a
John: ahh yes, I do believe humor is good and I'm
going through a transition in my life right
John: and Russell is quite the communicator and
quite the comedian and he's kind of put me in this
mode and I have had some drinks tonight.
Omal: uh-huh, we notice that in your aura, that it
is fluctuating with an imbibement of alcoholic
Russ: I should've been given the big clue when
Korton came in and said, "good evening young man".
I know that's not what you would've said.....
Omal: that's correct.
Russ: because you've had a lot more experience
with Johnny than Korton....
Omal: and I do recognize the aura more than Korton
Russ: well, that was my mistake.
Russ: I did expect Korton tonight in the least.
Omal: well, it should've been self-evident from
what was discussed with Karra, the fact of your
communication on your letterhead.
Russ: that's true. Well....
Omal: but we have some unfinished business to
discuss Johnny, do we not?
John: ahh yes?
Omal: focusing on one's goals and ambitions if my
memory serves me right.
John: yes? Do you mind if I ask a question...
John: before we get into that?
John: I'm curious about the channel Roger....
John: and I experienced the man in Sedona and I
understand he moved to New Zealand.
John: do you know his present location and if he
is alive and well?
Omal: yes, it is in the continental U.S. of A.
John: oh, he's moved back?
Omal: temporarily, yes.
John: yes, so he is back in the United States?
John: and he is alive and well?
Omal: I would say alive but if you remember, he
did like to imbibe alcoholic beverages to make it
a more fluid connection, which in turn affected me
as well as himself.
John: okay, should we go off of that? What about
Omal: that is your path that you must walk down.
John: it's definitely been a hindrance for me,
wouldn't you say?
Omal: certainly a hindrance, yes, but it is also
something you must learn to cope with. Do you wish
to continue being involved alcohol is such an
John: I would like to remove that aspect from my
John: I have used it as a tool in my mind, but I
don't know if......I think I'm misusing it.
Omal: well, how much do you drink a night?
John: it varies but too much.
Omal: if you perceive it as too much then what you
may do is cut down or you can go a week without an
alcoholic beverage. And if you can go one week
without an alcoholic beverage, why not two? And if
you can go two, why not three? The thing is to
take it one step at a time. In the time that we
have been communicating I see that you have a
beverage there at your feet, you have not taken a
John: yeah, I've got two beverages. I've got beer,
and I've got tea.
Omal: correct but you have not taken a sip of your
alcoholic beverage in the time that we have been
communicating so far.
John: that's correct.
Omal: can you extend that through this whole
Omal: okay, that it is part of learning to focus,
focusing on something to replace it with.
Russ: when you said he had unfinished business,
does this go back to Sedona?
Omal: yes, that is correct. If you remember
Johnny, we did discuss the effects of artificial
substances to stimulate one's being.
John: was this......?
Omal: yes it was.
Omal: it was in reference the fact that the usage
of herbal substances to stimulate one's psychic
awareness does have its uses. However, it is a
Russ: that's a great memory.
John: okay, so the application of hallucinogenic
and mind altering substances, has been the
foundation of mankind's......
Omal: psychic understanding.
John: psychic understanding.
John: so am I correct that it is a tool that can
be used but you use it up and.......?
Omal: correct, it leads nowhere. It expands your
abilities to a point and then from that point you
cannot proceed any further. It therefore becomes
not a necessary tool to help you to advance, it
becomes a tool that you need even though you
cannot proceed any further.
Russ: it's a crutch
John: okay, so right now in my life right now....
John: I have used these substances as tools, but
it's gotten to the point where they're limiting
John: and the sooner I release these substances
Omal: from your usage.
John: from my usage from my lexicon of life.....
John: the sooner I release them, the further I can
Omal: correct. Because by releasing them, you are
giving up something that you have been using. Now
there is a little bit of a effect that occurs and
it is like taking a step back, but you're not
taking a step back. What you're actually doing is
taking a step back and to one side. So instead of
taking a step back down, you take a step of the
same length, but to one side, so you do not fall
as far and then you precede up the new line that
you have created.
John: as long as we're on the subject, I'm curious
about lowering my blood sugar or keeping my blood
John: when I'm in a meditative or channeling type
situation. Is there a direct relationship between
low blood sugar and with me, I'm a very small
John: and I'm hypoglycemic so I......but I
Omal: one second please.
John: but my point is with fasting and lowering
your blood sugar, can you use that as a viable
tool? Is it good, is it......? You understand my
Omal: I had to just quickly communicate with the
resident healer as I was little bit out of my
league. What our resident healer is saying is that
fasting is a symbolic act. It is a religious thing
where you fast to purify your body of substances.
But in your case being hypoglycemic, it means that
you have to keep up a certain level of sugar in
your body, correct?
Omal: so therefore, what you do is you fast from
certain things that you would find enjoyable and
you replace those things with things less
enjoyable, which are just as good for you. For
example, let us say you absolutely love fresh
fruit and that has a lot of sugar in there that
keeps your sugar level up. What you would do is go
to something that you do not like that has the
same amount of sugar, you do away with the fruit
for a period of time as you're fasting from the
John: can you give me another analogy in the
opposite context? Do you understand my question?
Omal: yes I do. In the opposite context, let us
say that you love bread and cheese and chicken in
a sandwich form and it is something that you
enjoy. What you would do is you would do away with
the bread which has sugar in it and replace it
with crackers. Is that correct? Yeah, crackers or
rye bread that is soft, that is thin, crispy bread
that does not have as much sugar in it. You would
do away and eat simple foods that take the minimal
amount of preparation time. So you are
symbolically fasting, even though you are keeping
your sugar level at the correct level that it
John: thank you.
Omal: okay Russ, you have questions, quickly
Russ: quickly......first off, just back onto what
he was talking about, I've gone two years now
without herbal substances....
Russ: what about a progress report? Have I moved
Omal: yes, you have moved forward. You are much
more clearer, you're more eloquent on your
communication skills. Although I would not say
that it is exactly two years.
Russ: well, close. Oh no, it is two years, I quit
on Halloween two years ago.
Omal: yes, but did you not go to a Pink Floyd
concert and imbibe?
Russ: I did, didn't I?
John: yeah, yeah, you told me about that.
Omal: did you not go to a Grateful Dead concert
Russ: yeah, okay. All right, now onto other
Omal: so it has been less than a year.
Russ: all right, well, it's a start. Now first
off, going back on Sirian Chronicles from last
week real quickly. Servants of Truth, Light, and
Wisdom allowed corruption and coercion and paid
for their consequences...
Russ: did the Army of 144,000 use meta-concert
then to defeat....
Omal: I thought that was made quite clear that
they combined their minds to be of one mind.
Russ: it didn't come through I don't think.
Omal: I think Kiri said that they combined their
minds to be one mind?
Russ: oh, I didn't listen to tape again, so I'm
just going from memory. All right and who raised
the children and ran Sirius after the suicide?
Omal: you would have to discuss that with Kiri,
that is probably something that she edited out.
Russ: oh okay, I'll check that out. Now then, the
Tonar genes were never wiped out, but became a
sickness that came to earth?
Russ: okay. And Tonar used weapons of the mind to
suppress rebellion, did that later become an
ability passed on to the Servants of Truth, Light,
Omal: they might have been related.
Russ: okay, I was just thinking that might've gone
on to it. Okay, how much time do we have?
Omal: we have approximately two minutes.
Russ: two minutes, okay. All right then on the
last subject I've got here is, control of creative
manifestation becomes corrupted and it then
corrupts absolutely. I was watching a cartoon
called Akira in which the control of creative
manifestation became an absolute power.
Omal: and it fed back on itself.
Russ: right, it fed totally back on itself and
created just a major problem.
Russ: is this a meta........
Omal: no, it doesn't quite work that way, it is
not a metaphor. It is a point of view of a
possibility. If you do not learn to control it
properly, it runs riot and you think you have
control, but you do not, and it grows and it
swells and eventually it goes full circle and
comes back to where it again feeds in on itself.
Russ: so these are the dangers of meta-concert
that were discussed in the Sirian Chronicles?
Russ: and so we look at the cycle coming back.
Omal: correct. It is nothing to be scared of, it
is something to watch out for.
Russ: it's a warning.
Russ: okay. Thank you. Omal.
Omal: you're welcome.
John: I'd like to thank you and I'm looking
forward to our next conversation....
Omal: okay, and you have given me some things to
think on. Live long, prosper. Omal to Enterprise,
three to beam up. Hey, I'd like to Captain, but
the dilithium crystals, they're cold and they're
not going to take it. Besides, you're in the wrong
John: he's got a sense of humor too.
Russ: always had.
Omal: Jim, I'm a doctor, not a gynecologist.
(Tia helps our guest get clear on who is
Russ: there's your tea. Is Kiri coming back?
Russ: good. Oh, we still got ten minutes.
Tia: she's back.
Russ: oh cool.
John: I get confused between Tia and Kiri.
Tia: my voice is a little bit softer, a little bit
younger as well.
John: and you're the younger of the two?
John: but your older sister....
Tia: I don't have a sister.
John: is much.....
Tia: I don't have a sister.
John: you don't have a sister?
Russ: this is Tia.
John: Tia? I'm real confused. Yeah, yeah, I'm real
Russ: okay, there's Kiri, Tia, Karra are the three
girls who usually talk. Kiri and Tia are Mark's
life mates or triple souls, wives let's call it.
Tia: sex toys.
Russ: Tia, who is from the planet Durondedunn, had
an accident and was rejuvenated on sixth
dimensional Hades Base.
Tia: actually, it wasn't Hades Base that I was
Russ: okay, all right, all right, all right.
Tia: but for the sake of the story.
Russ: yes, and she has no sisters except back on
Tia: that's right.
Russ: now, Kiri on the other hand, is....
Tia: native to.......
Russ: native to Sirius, lives and works on Hades
Base and is Karra's younger sister.
(Kiri takes us to the end of the tape)
John: so Karra is the more attractive one of the
two of you, is that correct?
(Russ starts laughing now)
Russ: that will just get you in trouble. Hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo. Yes, she's more attractive if you like a
Russ: not wrinkled.
Kiri: old woman.
John: in my experience they have better sex than
younger women because they're more experienced.
Kiri: listen here you snot nosed kid, how old are
(Russ starts laughing at that one)
John: 39, Earth years.
Kiri: you're just a kid.
John: ahh yes, I am.
Kiri: Earth years, I'm 58, blehhhh.
John: yeah, and how old is your sister?
John: 82? That's going to blow 58 away.
Kiri: and she looks real good in her panties and
stockings at the moment, I took her skirt off.
Russ: oh, did you now?
Kiri: that's what Tia was snickering at.
Russ: that's what you were being.....?
Kiri: uh-huh, whilst I was rubbing Tia with my
Russ: all right darling, we're here to negotiate.
John: you're a bad girl.
Kiri: I have an incredible sex drive.
Russ: Kiri, sweetheart?
Russ: we're here to talk about your duties as a
Russ: and how much of the Sirian Chronicles you
gave I can use. Korton has said all of it, but I
wanted to find out.....
Kiri: he did, did he?
Russ: as far as Ashtar Command standards go....
Russ: and Hades Base standards. But he says the
final word is up to you and I dutifully go by what
Kiri: okay, what we can do is you write down what
you want to use as far as the ascension, right?
Russ: which is where? I mean we had ascension
from.......there was two ascensions.
Kiri: there was the ascension from the barbaric
mind to the group mind and then the ascension to a
Kiri: we can use as far as the ascension to the
higher dimension. When we get to that point we
will read over it together....
Kiri: and we will review it and check it for
accuracy, then we will start on the next part,
Kiri: and we will review that even more
Kiri: we will edit out what we think is irrelevant
to your species because some of them are very
native to the particular climate that we were in.
Russ: right. But at the same point, I have to
point out that we are going toward a ethic that is
close to what you went through back on.......or
your race went through back on Sirius.
Russ: and therefore the warnings and the
Kiri: that's why I think that it is irrelevant
that when you get to the second ascension on the
sixth dimension, that is irrelevant because each
race has their own path to walk down when they do
Russ: but I still see personally that our jump to
the sixth dimension is going to hinge a lot on the
information that's put out prior to the event to
raise people's consciousness that it has happened
Kiri: we knew very little about it. You can say
that we went to the sixth dimension certainly, but
the fact is that each experience is unique to each
Russ: right, but wouldn't experiences from another
race assist in our growth period necessary to get
us to that same point?
Russ: I mean, had the Sirians the knowledge of a
race before them that had made the transition from
third dimension to sixth dimension.......
Russ: don't you think that there that would have
been a more turn towards getting ready for that
Kiri: I think it might've been more of a hindrance
than a help.
Russ: how so?
Kiri: okay, the reason why I don't think it would
be beneficial for you to use the later information
about the second ascension is for the fact that
each species when they get there, they have to
weed out what is wrong. But by having the
information of what happened before to a different
race may not help the weeding out. It may make
them too tolerant of those that are defective that
Kiri: if you remember Tonar the Second, if we had
been more tolerant of him, right? He would've
grown to a more mature age and we would've helped
him and try to understand him and help him to
become more part of the union of the mind instead
of not cooperating with him. Because it was fresh
in our mind of what had happened to us and fresh
in our group consciousness of what had happened
almost 150,000.....no, it was more than that, it
was more like 200,000 years beforehand with Tonar
Russ: well, what about the point where they come,
they all go into the pyramid....
Russ: they're in the caves below the pyramid...
Russ: and then they come out, and they are not
sure of which dimension they're in. It can't be
third, it can't be the fourth or the fifth, it
must be the sixth. What about stuff like that?
Kiri: well you can fill in......
Russ: it's a great story.
Kiri: you can fill in the reasons why we were
reasoning that it was the sixth dimension and the
reasons why we had difficulty understanding at
first where we were. You have to remember that it
was only a small group of people, 144,000. It may
be a lot of people, but if you look on the
planetary scale, it's not that many. It's not even
20% of a million.
Russ: right. So what about the stuff about Sarra
going back and having a son and he goes in the
pyramid and spends time in that where....
Kiri: oh, you mean Sarra the Second?
Kiri: again, that is more esoterical. It is more
something to sit and listen to. It serves no
purpose but a part of the history. It doesn't say
what is actually happening, it's part of the
history. It doesn't set the stage or whatever for
what's going on.
Russ: okay. Now personally though, I mean I
thought it was a point to shoot for and a
beautiful allegory on what.....
Kiri: well if you finish it with the paradise of
the new world that they're on.
Kiri: the beautiful trees, the fish, and I think
it was Sarra the First wasn't it that had the
first son? Yeah it was, it was Sarra the First.
Russ: and then his daughter was Sarra the Second.
Kiri: yes, that's correct. It's a nice part of the
story, certainly, but it serves no function and
other except for setting the stage for Sarra the
John: do you mind if I ask a couple questions?
Russ: sure, go-ahead.
John: not changing the subject totally, but I'm
very curious about human beings, the mother
John: and the galaxy....
John: all going through this dimensional change.
And we're in the third dimension...
John: and we're making a shift into the sixth...
John: is my....
THE TAPE ENDS
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