Moral Standards and Gene Therapy (06/03/97)

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Archivist Notes: Welcome back to another channeling session from the members of Ashtar Command on Hades Base. For the month of November, we have an excellent collection of lessons which includes a rare visit from Korton who stopped by to talk shop. An initial summary of the recording is that side A revolves around moral standards from the point of view of both Tia and Omal. Some concern those declining on this planet while comparisons are made regarding the moral standards of Hades Base. Side B, on the other hand, is notable for a request from Karra that comes as a bit of a surprise. Also coming as a surprise is the lack of topics Kiri finds herself able to explore as those she had ready to go were axed by Omal. If nothing else, her efforts to find replacements to discuss provide a humorous interchange. The best quality of the channeling session was the sound. Having to go remote last month and next month, the excellent clarity of the recording is a nice change. We wish all of the sessions could have been recording in a studio with top of the line equipment but, back in the day when these were recorded, we made do with jobs that were more fun than profitable. Luckily at least we can afford to have a sound engineer get the sound quality as good as it can be from the raw cassettes we had created.

   Tia is on in her normal ring mistress duty for the evening and launches into the notes she had ready to start with initially. First up was the state of the stock market but only in a tangential way. The topic is actually about the effect of actions of a government tied up in a controversy. Her main conversation starter was a recent affair between two members of the military and the discrepancy of punishments she felt centered on a breakdown in the moral standards used in determining the punishments that were handed out. Easily outweighed by the current news cycle of far worse transgressions, when this occurred in the 90s it made for major headlines. It was this affair that would take up the bulk of Tia's time channeling and also Omal's as it taught us that their words then have been true today which makes hearing them address the moral standards of a society can help in the growth of consciousness from those looking for one. Tia's point is that of two officers involved in separate incidents, their punishments needed a different outcome but that is all she has time for prior to handing over to Omal. Omal goes into his thoughts on both of Tia's topics and his words in 1997 ring in 2019 where he warns about the common use of foul language being a sign to look for to tell of when society might collapse. Examples of his warning coming to fruition are becoming more obvious which makes this an important lesson for those looking to help reverse the trend. He brings up a personal example of how adultery should take place by using one of his staff who is in an understanding situation who two different men. Hard not to admire a more enlightened view of relationships and the children that may come from them. He finishes by declining a request for a historical timeline on how Ashtar Command came to be for understandable security reasons. In his place though is Korton who would have had a hand in that decision and what he comes on to talk about is communication. We get to the end of the side with his pointing out the importance of writing and editing free of emotional imbalances due to his receiving an editorial that was to be released and then it's very much cleaned up revision. The tape ends but he picks up on the other side how thought free of anxiety can still express information that can lead to spiritual growth.

   Finishing up the thought he had started, side two gets going though he does not stay on long for it. What he does leave is an impact where he teaches that the heart is where the writing should come from but with the emotions controlled. Karra is next up to speak and so we review the editorial I had edited and was preparing to post on the website. Happy with the approval of Korton, we now could go ahead with the passing on of information. We next go over her work as a healer on the base as it would be another six months before she would be appointed a Senator of Sirius to Hades Base. Two individuals had come in I had met in my astral travels to visit her when she wasn't free from her duties yet. Was one coming along nicely and one was not going to make it and she asked if I could assist in helping him to pass on. I had experience with a previous case so it wasn't an unusual request but not one Omal could fully condone so it was left to me to decide if I would participate or not. We end with the happy news that one of our sons had successfully demonstrated telekinesis with was a big moment for the two of us as parents. Kiri comes on after her sister to finish up what was left of the tape and it was at this point things got pretty funny. Things start off fine as we go over a how-to on coercion that had been planned but was now having to be put on hold due to the editing that would need to take place. We move on to her main topic of the night on computer technology but try as she might, Omal would veto telepathically that subject and each of the following related topics she had prepared her channeling around. While I'm laughing at her predicament, she gets frustrated enough to address Omal out loud to plead her case and is overruled through his more experienced outlook. She does ask about a recent discussion we had been a part of about a device made before motors were invented and it's handy she does because it reminds me a Renaissance fair was in town. Costumes had to be planned but what wasn't planned was a request from Kiri to have a dress made through a contact of mine which was to be a gift for someone down here which she planned as a reminder of a past life the person had experienced.               
               

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TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)
KORTON
KARRA
KIRI


SIDE 1

1.)(0:00)- Tia has a lot to say on the lack of morals shown in a pair of cases concerning the military and how the punishments handed out were stiff enough in her opinion.
3.)(36:59)- Korton gives his take on a communication written in a state of high anxiety that I had gone through with editing it to make it able to be posted online. Because of that, he stresses to edit everything.
SIDE 2

1.)(0:00)- Korton picks up from where he left off and admits that the communication he received did have therapeutic properties for the writer in that they were trying to help others with their words passionately.
2.)(3:10)- Karra and I discuss the webpage and then she talks about her duties at that time as a healer. She asks for my help in the transition of a patient they were letting die due to my previous experience.
3.)(19:59)- Kiri runs into problems finding something to talk about after all her subjects are vetoed by Omal. In the end we discuss costumes for a Ren fair and a dress she wants to give to someone as a gift.
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SIDE ONE


(Tia gets things going with a stock market report)


Tia: okay, greetings and welcome to this channeling session on June 3, 1997 at 21:20 hrs., well 21:25 hrs.. Let us start and get down to business as quickly and as promptly as feline possible. Let us deal with the matters at hand. First of all, why is the stock market doing so well? Well, let’s look at what is going on with the market at the moment. Okay, growth is up, not as well as people would like although it has been trumpeted as a success that the gross national product is up 1.3%. Is this a booming economy? No, it’s not. Normally in the booming economy it will be anywhere between 4.5% to 6.2%. So, why do people believe that it is a booming economy? Well that is besides the point apart from their believing that things are looking better. True they are looking better but they’re not as good as they could be. Okay, next item is why is it that when the government is not involved or is tied up with certain matters does the stock market do so well? It’s because the government is too busy trying to deal with its own problems and therefore does not have the opportunity to try and force policies and procedures upon a stock market that is very bullish if that is the correct term. Okay, now what is going on in the government? Well basically the elected governmental officials that are supposedly in charge are basically tied up dealing with matters that should have been dealt with long ago. When these matters first came to a point shortly after the initial election of the elected individual leader, the stock market went very, very slowly and did not progress very well as was not expected. The reason being that the interference of political representatives in an elected governmental capacity as the leader interfered and slowed things down. But now the fact that they have been tied up, for want of a better word, they no longer have control over what is going on in the market and so therefore the market is free to do as it wishes. Okay now let’s look at some moral issues here. Okay first of all, what is going on with the military? Why is it right for one person to have an adulterous affair with a subordinate and only receive a general discharge whereas the normal procedure is a full court-martial, time in what I believe you would call the stockade, and a dishonorable discharge. What makes it right for one person to get away with something whilst other people convicted of the same crime end up in a lot more hot water? Is it because that individual was a poster child for the military? To be the first female B-52 bomber pilot carrying nuclear weapons capable. Is it right? My opinion is no. Is it right for a commanding officer of the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the general in charge, to resign because he once had an affair with a civilian although he was actually separated and going through divorce proceedings with his wife of the time? What is the difference between those two, Russ?

Russ: well for one thing, both of them got off pretty easy if you ask me.

Tia: well actually, the general that…..

Russ: I mean the guy was just allowed to resign and so was she….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: same thing.

Tia: yes but he did nothing wrong.

Russ: he had an affair.

Tia: no he didn’t, I said that he was having an affair…

Russ: yeah.

Tia: but in actual fact he wasn’t, he was separated and going through divorce proceedings.

Russ: he wasn’t divorced yet though.

Tia: no but at that point separation had occurred.

Russ: yes but he's still disgracing his uniform.

Tia: no he’s not.

Russ: according to the military he is.

Tia: uh-uh, uh-uh because the marriage was basically or in actual fact over. There was proceedings going on for divorce.

Russ: in a civilian court, when..

Tia: that’s your big mistake right there, it is not a civilian matter, is a military matter.

Russ: I know.

Tia: so do not apply military law to civilian situations or civilian law to military situations.

Russ: well it fills in with a point I’m trying to make.

Tia: okay.

Russ: in a civilian court of law where there is a male or female under the terms they’re divorcing…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: either one of the two parties who are caught in an illicit affair during that time before the divorce actually takes place…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is put as the perpetrator of a major fact that could cost them custody of their children, more of the estate divided to the other person who wasn’t in the affair......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: in fact they have detectives who, during divorce proceedings, will follow around the person if the other person thinks that they're having an affair.

Tia: uh-huh,

Russ: if they are, then they'll get pictures and stuff and present that as evidence in court.   

Tia: okay that has nothing to do with a military matter whatsoever. The situation with Kelly Flynn, the young lady, was far more than an adulterous affair. The adultery is minor and moot. She was told by her commanding officers to stop the affair, she disobeyed an order. When she was asked was the affair over, she said yes. She lied to a commanding officer. When the situation came to a point she lied again. The general was very open and honest about the whole entire situation. In fact it was used to finally finalize the divorce proceedings which benefited both parties. So therefore he did not disgrace his uniform whereas the young lady did not only disgrace her uniform, she destroyed a marriage, she disgraced a family, she disgraced herself, she disgraced a branch of the military so therefore there is a big difference between the two. But, continuing on this line, what happened in this? Well, it seems that people want to apply civil, moral behavior to a area that is not anything to do with a civil society. It is a military area and they want to force their morals onto a society that has had its own set of morals that work far, far better than normal civil life, far better. Their standards of ethics, procedures and morals are way beyond that of the person in the street. By forcing a group of individuals that live by a higher code of ethics to behave with a lower level is like giving children free range to do whatever they wish. So it is wrong for elected governmental officials to interfere and I’m not just saying the president or Democrats, I’m saying all parties. Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, the works. President, vice president, Speaker of the House, they should have nothing to do and leave alone the military. It is not a test ground for moral behaviors of a society that is less than moral. Okay, my spiel is over, do you have any questions before I hand over to Omal?

Russ: uh-uh.

Tia: okay.





(Omal takes Tia's topics and runs with them)


Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: she does work hard on her dissertation does she not?

Russ: yes she does.

Omal: she does put a lot of passion into it.

Russ: very informative.

Omal: yes, she does work hard. Okay, let’s look at Tia's first analysis of the stock market. She is correct in every detail as always, accuracy seems to be her middle name. I would like to expand upon her explanation of the interference of governmental agencies. When she talks of a government fresh and interfering in a behavioral pattern of a stock market, it works like a brake being applied. When this brake is applied, things slow down, growth slows down, confidence slows down but when a government is hogtied with other matters, all those breaks have been removed. It is like a vehicle going downhill, when you have your foot on the brake you control it, you control the speed. When you take your foot off the brake, it accelerates out of control and out of speed. This occurs when situations conspire against individuals. At the moment it is the brightest part before the storm. Things are looking good. The next year to a year and a half will tell what is going to transpire. Okay let us look at Tia's last comments on moral behaviors. Tia as we know is a very moral individual, she holds her morals up high. She has learned to be respecting of other people’s opinions but to hold fast to her morals of the family, behavior in public, language. Tia may use Durondedunn phrases to swear but having had to study a little bit of the language, her phrases that she uses, the descriptive one of fraugh is polite in actual fact. From what I have learned, it means, "may you enjoy the flavor of my after food as you munch on my underwear". That is a correct translation, basically eat my shorts. So Tia’s behavior is obviously stated in her views on the morals and her views are very correct, they are a sixth dimensional and a third dimensional blending of moral opinions. And by having these morals and trying to live by them is a good indicator on how people should behave. She has learned extremely well that the third dimensional way has certain advantages and the sixth dimensional way has certain advantages. Being of a third dimensional ancestry, she has to deal with those third dimensional mindset and thinking. Living in a sixth dimensional workspace environment, she has come to terms in being able to refine her moral outlook on life which is a good moral outlook on life. Tia does not lie, she does not cheat, she does not bend the truth unless it is necessary to protect. She has learned that protecting friends, family, and associates is very important, before it was just family. How does that affect a third dimensional society such as yours? Well having a high moral standard seems to be able to focus somebody in a direct path that is beneficial for enlightenment. If for example taking the incident of Kelly Flynn, morals would have dictated that first of all the first thing that she did wrong was adultery, she destroyed a marriage. What benefit did she get from destroying a marriage? Well, she has been rewarded by people asking for her to do book contracts. Is it correct to idolize somebody that has committed adultery and destroyed a marriage? I will let you decide that. Secondly lying, not once but many times, is that correct? Again I will let you decide. Disobeying an order in an environment where orders are important to be followed, again is this correct? Regardless of the order, it is important that the order be carried out as best as possible, is that correct? I will again let you decide on that. The development of a society depends on its moral behavior. Tia is quite astute at perceiving moral behavior and how it affects a growth or a stunting in growth of a society. It is fine to be tolerant and understanding but it is important also to stick to one's moral opinion, to stick to a moral pathway and not to deviate from that. It is good to be open and to be able to look at everything and to be able to come to a wise conclusion but, if you have certain principles that aid you in this, that give you the confidence necessary to be a successful developed individual in a spiritual and physical capacity, will lead you to a higher enlightenment than just being a person that goes, "I understand your point of view, let me think on this, you may be right". "Lying may be a good thing, let me think about this". "Cheating on one’s husband or wife is a good thing". These things obviously are not good and by falling into that trap, society is affected in a way that the level of behavior becomes lower. When that occurs and people that expect lower standards from other individuals, then again that lowers itself again. When it becomes common to use foul language in everyday conversation, then an individual and a society if it becomes very prevalent is in problems, serious problems. This is one of the signs to look out for as things get worse, when it becomes acceptable to use foul language as part of a normal conversation. Where it becomes acceptable to use F words and B words and C words when talking to somebody and it is not even an eye-raising experience. Okay, let us answer your questions.

Russ: okay first off, on the issues on the stock market. Now the point where the government interferes, I noticed that our most current example of where the government interferes is where the federal exchange Chairman, I believe his name is………

Omal: Greenspan.

Russ: Greenspan, he set the interest rates at a higher rate than they had been before. At that point though is the point where we saw the stock market rise ever since then and it’s been on an upswing since so at this point I’m wondering is that perhaps an accident or did he actually do some good there?

Omal: he intended it to go up. The reason why he intended it to go up is that people will look at the stock market and they see this action, the stock market climbing higher and higher and they feel good about that. People are making money, people are doing well, it gives a false sense of confidence. As Tia pointed out, with a growth rate of only 1.2%, there is something wrong when that is looked upon as great when in a normal booming society, let us take the economy of Kennedy where it was 5.2% through most of his living administration, it was booming. What is the difference there?

Russ: the Kennedy administration came on right at 1960 and at that point people looked toward a new decade as opposed to the old decade of the 50s known as the silent generation, suddenly it was......and you can see it in much of the culture.......a bright spot happening and I feel that kind of caught on at a nationwide level.

Omal: by why didn’t it occur this time?

Russ: well, you right mean now?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: well it’s not the 60s, the 60s were a time of dreaming and hopes.

Omal: but not to start off with, there were a lot of dark situations. The Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile crisis, the start of the Vietnam War, far worse than what is happening now.

Russ: true but we're talking Kennedy and the Vietnam war was post Kennedy.

Omal: it started in ‘64.

Russ: right, Kennedy was killed in 60…..

Omal: four.

Russ: four.

(Ed note: it was actually November 22nd, 1963)

Omal: Kennedy sent advisers into N
orth Vietnam.......or South Vietnam rather in ‘63.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: the war started then, it did not escalate to the size until later but it started then. It did not tear the country apart until later.

Russ: I think some of it actually might have to do with music.

Omal: that came later.

Russ: well that’s true but just if you look at the music of the 50s, even up to 59, and you look at the music one year later, there are some very marked changes there that I think had a bit to do with it.

Omal: no.

Russ: no?

Omal: they were the result of what was going on.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: people were feeling good, people were feeling great, life is wonderful.

Russ: well wasn’t this also the time the baby boomers were starting to come along?

Omal: the baby boomers….

Russ: World War II?

Omal: correct.

Russ: and they were reaching their point of maturity.

Omal: no, they were coming into the workplace.....

Russ: right.

Omal: but they were not reaching maturity. Maturity comes later in life Russ.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, now the difference between then and now is the moral outlook. They still had very high moral standards. Somebody caught in an adulterous affair was shunned and ostracized. Now, how many people do you know that have had adulterous affairs?

Russ: quite a few.

Omal: but back then it was almost unheard of. It was either swept under the table and kept very quiet or the person was ostracized and the court case was nasty and bloody. As you said, they would lose their children, they would lose a larger percentage of their property than they would have normally. Now, it’s no big deal. In fact as Tia pointed out, sometimes it is used as a tool.

Russ: well the 60s did bring along that change though with the Summer of Love, free love…..

Omal: uh-uh, that's too far, we’re talking about the Kennedy administration.

Russ: oh okay.

Omal: not the Johnson administration. We are talking between the difference between the Kennedy administration and now and it is all one thing, the morals.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: a frequent topic of conversation is the president’s moral compass.

Russ: Kennedy had some very low morals though in that respect.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: his adulterous affairs, you could write major books of and some have been written.

Omal: yes, they’re all written after his death.....

Russ: after his death.

Omal: when they came to light, after he had been assassinated. The current ones are coming to light during the administration and it is not just one or two or even three individuals, Kennedy is made look like a wimp compared to this individual.

Russ: but don’t we see the beginnings of this then?

Omal: yes you do, you do. The moral standards were already lowered after the administration of....what’s his name? Ike, Eisenhower.

Russ: right.

Omal: it would’ve been better if Nixon had been elected.

Russ: it would’ve kept the moral standards higher……

Omal: and therefore the chance of what transpired would’ve been lessened.

Russ: but then again we see a lot of good things that came about because of Kennedy too.

Omal: correct.

Russ: the space program…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: much of the welfare system.

Omal: that goes back further actually.

Russ: oh it does?

Omal: yes, it goes back to FDR.

Russ: I knew it had something to do with something like that.

Omal: yes he did, Bill of Rights.

Russ: yeah, Bill of Rights.

Omal: which is a great and wonderful thing. I am not condemning Kennedy or any president including this current one, I’m saying that it is a symptom of a society that has become too opulent.

Russ: now what are those changes in the moral systems have to do with the consciousness of the country?

Omal: okay, where a moral behavioral pattern is set in place…..for example, let us get back to adultery. Where adultery becomes common, that sets up a karmic distraction that has to be worked out. When you are dealing with something of a situation such as that, how can you think clearly on spiritual matters?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you see the problem?

Russ: right.

Omal: let us say you are concerned with the well-being of children?

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you are concerned with getting as much as possible for the children in the ensuing separation so therefore you do not deal with the spiritual matters that you should be, you do not have time to sit down and deal with the spiritual growth that you would normally go through. When a situation occurs like that, you are more preoccupied, you cannot think clearly. That half an hour or an hour that you have set aside to sit down and meditate, you're going to be thinking of other matters. So therefore by a degradation in moral structure leads to spiritual flatness where it becomes flat, you are preoccupied with other matters. Not of the development of yourself, your spouse or your offspring.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Omal: but, there are exceptions to the rule.

Russ: right.

Omal: next question.

Russ: not to set any standards or to point any fingers or anything, but personally looking at Hades Base, it seems as though it’s more of a 60s in their moral standards than there is more of the 50s.

Omal: yes but there is the moral standings of, from what I have gathered, all the sexual antics that go on, all people involved are aware of what is going on. For example, let us take a secretary that I have. She is in the early stages of pregnancy. Her bond mate is very, very excited about the upcoming child. Her boyfriend is also ecstatic. It is her boyfriend’s first child. The fact that all three individuals knew what was going on makes the situation much easier. The fact that the partner or the bond mate was very consensual and said, "enjoy and I hope this works" is something that is understood. So, all three people agreed on what was happening. The reason they agreed is the young gentleman, the father has some good genes. The mother has some great genes. The bond mate, being in the medical department, was aware of the potential for the offspring and development. The agreement is that all three people involved will be the parents although the bond mate will be the primary male parent. The other individual, the father of the offspring, will be in a behavioral pattern of an uncle even though the child is his. So therefore by being of an intelligence level, they understand that their actions and behavior has to be in such a way that all benefit. You see what I’m saying?

Russ: of course, because I’m in the same situation of course.

(Karra and Alana are both my bond mates)

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay, I think you said it best in your dissertation when you mentioned the openness and if the relationship does not affect...how did you put it? The physical and spiritual well-being of the people involved….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which I believe we are seeing on Hades Base is, these sexual antics as you call them….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: do not affect the physical or spiritual well-being of the individuals.

Omal: in fact in this situation it enhances.

Russ: correct, correct. And I’m sure, just from my viewing of all this, I bet it is true in all these things that go on….

Omal: correct.

Russ: but I’m just saying from and outsider’s point of view looking in on this would see a 60s bacchanalia.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and somebody with a more Puritan…..

Omal: attitude.

Russ: attitude, would turn their nose up and quite literally frown heartily at this.

Omal: that is correct they would, but to understand a society and to see the problems, you have to have all the information and facts. An individual that looks at something, turns up their nose, says how horrible and degradated it is without experiencing or receiving information on that society is making a big mistake. We have the information necessary to come to a formulated answer on the situation on the morals in your planet.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: an individual looking from the outside in on our little group would have very little information from that.

Russ: right.

Omal: and bacchanalia is a word I have not heard in a long time......

(Russ starts to chuckle)

Omal: well not that long. Sometimes it seems like a few moments and sometimes it seems like maybe a few weeks.

Russ: well that’s why I'm looking forward to possibly enlightening people over the fact that there is a alternative towards the moral degradation as being a more uplifting experience.

Omal: it is a spiritual level of awareness that you have to achieve first. With that should come the morals to be intelligent enough to understand the actions.

Russ: uh-huh, correct. So you need to look at it from that viewpoint….

Omal: yes.

Russ: as opposed to one more close minded.

Omal: correct. You first of all have to become spiritually aware enough to understand that sometimes things happen not for the better of an individual but for the better of the group. Okay, last question.

Russ: okay, my lady has I’m sure informed you of a future series of discussions that I'd like to get into with you?

Omal: she has only mentioned that you wish to discuss certain topics.

Russ: right which is the history of Ashtar Command.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and I would like to possibly see if we can’t set up a series of timelines let’s say or periods of Ashtar Command that led up to its present state.

Omal: I’m sorry to say that this request has to be denied…..

Russ: okay.

Omal: for security reasons.

Russ: all right.

Omal: certain things that happened in the early part and middle part of Ashtar Command are still being observed and learned from so therefore it would be a gross breach of security to even mention or discuss them.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: I’m sorry.

Russ: no worries, it would have been an interesting topic anyway.

Omal: okay, thank you.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: I’ll be back.





(Korton follows Omal in Tia's order)



Korton: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Korton.

Korton: correct. Okay…..

Russ: okay.

Korton: the purpose of communication is to be able to communicate crisply and clearly. I have stated this in the past and I will state it again in the future. It is necessary as a communicator to be as crisp and clear as possible. I received a copy of a communication recently that was long-winded, drawn out, and very dancing around the issues. I received a copy this morning of a communication of the same subject that had been edited and tightened and tidied. Communication in a state of consciousness of high anxiety seems to be one of the more difficult subjects to cover on a humanoid, life form basis. It is at that point where individuals use their emotions and their minds overflow with anxieties and actions. It is difficult I understand for a third dimensional being to not function without those emotions even if they are fear and anxiety. It is necessary when writing these items to be clear as possible. The work on tidying them up can be very tedious and hard on the individual that has to do the editing. Editing is a necessary function. An individual should be capable of self-editing but when it becomes involved with emotions, then it clouds the judgment. For an individual that hides their emotions when they come to the surface, it makes their thinking process even harder and more difficult than a tough situation being dealt with in a cold, dispassionate way. Communication at this point starts to break down. What is meant by dancing around the issues and trying to hide the emotions and control the emotions even though they are running rampant no longer serves a function. Materials that come from that situation therefore suffer in their quality. The individual that has to edit and change and correct suffers because of an individual being ruled by their emotions when they’re doing communications. I think you know what I’m referring to.

Russ: Karra’s been filling me in here.

Korton: when these things occur, it is honorable that somebody wishes to express their anxieties and help other people but it is important that they remember the person that has to do the hard work of reading through this material, editing it, correcting it, correcting the spelling, it becomes hard at that point. The individual might as well not have written the material but I understand that it was necessary not only for a therapeutic purpose but also for passing on information and helping to increase the spiritual awareness of individuals that are not personally known to the individuals that deal with this matter. The communication of this material……..


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SIDE TWO


(Korton finishes up the sentence that he started)

Korton: .......and explain a situation for an individual, the therapeutic pathways are helped to clear, to face this matter head on, to deal with the growth and understanding of people. The development that transpires from this is that the individual has faced the dragon, has learned to deal with it and in return for this suffering, has passed on information that is valuable for other people to help with their spiritual development and growth. But, it is necessary in a situation to think first before using the emotions in these matters. Development of a higher consciousness can come from this, it is necessary to be from the heart but controlled emotionally. Question?

Russ: in the long run after it’s been tightened and made workable, would this then be a very good passing on of information?

Korton: I believe so, it has been edited and tightened.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: so therefore it is very useful in passing on information. Is it the therapeutic part that interests me. It is a memory of long ago that needs understanding that the individual who shields himself is baring his heart. Why would individual do that? It is not a, "look at me", it is more, "let me try to help".

Russ: and I’m sure he is speaking to others who are in similar situations and who will reflect on that and if not now, later.

Korton: I am not aware of that. Thank you.

Russ: thank you.





(Omal returns to edit if necessary which it wasn't)


Omal: there is very little that I can say and add to this. It seems that Korton has handled the situation with full linguistic capability and understanding.

Russ: he’s quite concise, yes.





(Tia now switches to the next speaker on her list)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: and long-winded too.

(Russ laughs at that one)

Tia: now both parties have left, I shall put on the next person.

Russ: okay.






(Karra continues the channeling session)


Karra: hello.

Russ: hi.

(Russ starts laughing once more)

Karra: it was a good idea…..

Russ: yes darling, I thought so too.

Karra: it was worth trying.

Russ: well, maybe later.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: when….

Karra: Omal is saying that there is very little chance as it is one of the policies and procedures. It would have to go before the Council and as it would be low on the priority list, it may get discussed next year or the year after the possibility of discussing it.

Russ: right.

Karra: and by the time they get around to it, it may be 30, 40, 50 years into the future, if we’re lucky. Omal says that it would be close to a hundred before they actually got around to discussing it.

Russ: oh well, no problem.

Karra: which is no biggie for me, I’d only be 184.

Russ: but a lovely 184.

Karra: oh thank you.

Russ: uh-huh. Okay so, I’m the primary parent.

Karra: uh-huh, that’s how it seems.

Russ: uncle Mark.

Karra: uh-huh.

(we're talking about Mark's child with Alana)

Russ: cool. Thank you for your help on that thing today.

Karra: oh you're welcome, it seems like we both got a pat on the back for that actually.

Russ: apparently so yes, it certainly seemed like it to me but we did earn that one. That was a .....(whistles).

Karra: well, when we were reading from it, the impression I got was that he was really suffering.

Russ: yeah, well I got that too.

Karra: I mean he was in a state of high anxiety.

Russ: but it was disjointed, it didn’t make for good reading.

Karra: no, I think Omal was quite correct......Korton was quite correct in saying that the information he was trying to get across is important, being in a state of high emotional turbulence as Korton would put it, caused the disjointedness.

Russ: so there are some good sides to be gotten from writing from an emotional state if you can control them.

Karra: uh-hmm yes, but…..

Russ: for example, when you and I do an editorial…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? We get into a joint emotional.......I don't even.......ecstasy?

Karra: yes and no, with what was written is this was pure uncontrolled emotions….

Russ: right.

Karra: ours are controlled.

Russ: yes very much so but they’re very uplifting.

Karra: uh-huh whereas the author was going through an emotional crisis that he couldn’t control and it served a very useful purpose of being able to focus his thoughts into writing something that would help and benefit instead of being in a state of high anxiety with it being bottled up inside him.

Russ: well as Korton said, it's therapeutic.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s good.

Karra: and it wasn’t dry either.

Russ: no. Okay so I’ll put that on the web tomorrow….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and how to coerce we'll have to wait on.

Karra: uh-huh, just a little bit.

Russ: yeah. Let's see…..

Karra: oh I’ve got a question that confused me.

Russ: yeah sure.

Karra: Mark asked you earlier on about why you’re doing rushs. What is rushs?

Russ: same thing as the dailies.

Karra: oh. I knew what dailies were, you explained that to me.

Russ: right, rushs are more or less used in television.

Karra: ahhh.

Russ: whereas the film companies use dailies because they’re using what is done on a daily basis whereas the television people are doing rushes which means they're working straight off the video cameras that they’re filming with.......

Karra: oh I see.

Russ: and they're just doing it right out of the control booth.

Karra: yeah because the thing that I got was that it was the same thing just different phrasing, now I understand what……okay sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt.

Russ: no problem, it's a different entertainment interface. Okay, let’s see, I’m going to put the news as the change from....let's see....May 6th with the downgrade from Defcon three….

Karra: uh-huh. Downgrade to Defcon three.

Russ: to Defcon three. We've got Omal’s points of view, we have your......thing on the Zetas and the other part.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, so that's the webpage.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay let me see……

Russ: oh, oh, oh that’s right, remember we were talking about how to shield?

Karra: oh yes.

Russ: that’s a good one.

Karra: okay, that will work.

Russ: okay how do we, when do we want to do that, how do you want to do it?

Karra: okay, I think we’ll let……

Russ: hey, Kiri can do that tonight.

Karra: Omal says he will handle that one.

Russ: next week.

Karra: next week as it has to go through him.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh. And he says he doesn’t trust Kiri’s manipulation to get it clear.

Russ: okay well, how about I put a coming soon?

Karra: oh yes, coming to a webpage near you.

Russ: yes, how to shield.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because that is something that you can’t use it for negative purposes….

Karra: no, you can’t use it for negative…..well actually you can.

Russ: you can but it’s more helpful than it is hurtful.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean to use it for a negative purpose you’re still......it's still helpful for the large majority. Because so many people are affected by people who are sucking energy from them.

Karra: uh-huh and to use it in a negative capacity would take rewriting the program.

Russ: and also using it in a negative pattern, you’re going to dig more energy up to put it in a negative format…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: than you would in a positive format whereas a positive…..

Karra: actually, a negative format takes less energy because you’re using somebody else’s energy.

Russ: you are?

Karra: well when you’re using it as an immobilizer.

Russ: oh, well we're not going to get into that.

Karra: oh hell no.

Russ: they can figure that out if they have to but I’m sure Omal will write something into it but this is just looking at it from the positive point of view that we all worked on from the very get-go.

Karra: correct.

Russ: and hey, stacked shielding, I wouldn't go into the mega-shields.

Karra: oh hell no.

Russ: just basic shields and techniques of how to shield for beginners.

Karra: yeah, shielding for beginners.

Russ: shielding for beginners.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: good, that’ll work.

Karra: oh yeah.

Russ: okay, we’ll work on that for next week.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: good one.

Karra: it is a good one, we’re a great team.

Russ: yes we are sweetheart.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right let’s see, what else? We got the editorial, news, those articles……

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: oh, I need you to help me please with the redoing of the logo, the heading......

Karra: hmm.

Russ: of Hades Base News.

Karra: well I was thinking something more along the lines of doing it in…..that’s a nice idea.

Russ: what, Gothic?

Karra: Gothic was my first idea but Kiri just came up with an idea.

Russ: what’s that?

Karra: we do it in what she says is called case.

Russ: case.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: you mean block letters?

Karra: yeah, but almost three dimensional.

Russ: oh, oh I see what you mean, yeah right.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: right, so it's almost shadowed or something.

Karra: yeah.

Russ: yeah I can do that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay sweetheart, what do you got for me?

Karra: not that much actually because we discussed most of it earlier on and it's not relevant to channeling sessions.

Russ: yes we did get in a lot of discussions.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay…

Russ: okay now that reminds…..oh, go ahead…..

Karra: no, you go first dear.

Russ: okay that reminds me, the other day when we were working on…..when I’m in the park….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I’m working with you on various aspects of channeling sessions and other things….

Karra: uh-huh. Yes I know, it does distract doesn’t it?

Russ: well I liked it, that was probably the best part of the whole day.

Karra: yes, it passes time for you.

Russ: right but am I interrupting you or anything when I’m doing that?

Karra: no, no, I’m just a lowly healer that has some free time.

Russ: okay.

Karra: if I’m busy, you know I’m busy.

Russ: obviously.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: right, well how's that guy doing in the wardroom?

Karra: let’s not talk about that.

Russ: okay, how about the other guy that I was talking to the other day?

Karra: oh yeah, he's up and about.

Russ: is he now?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Karra: he’s got to go back in for some very complicated gene therapy and some reconstruction in a lower part of the limb.

Russ: yeah it’s funny, I told him, “hey, sorry I passed out on you the couple times I was talking to you when you first came in” and he goes, ”well that's alright, I was so drunk I don’t know what you said anyway.”

Karra: uh-huh and also they’re going to be doing……..you know that area that I was pointing out to you?

Russ: behind the curtains?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: well they're going to be doing a lot of work there.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Karra: also, getting back to the guy that was drugged up, I have to do some reconstructive surgery
on him in a serious level.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: uh-huh. I mean his chances of survival are 90%, the other one is…I mean the separation is getting worse and worse.

Russ: he’s going to be living in the regen tank for a while, this other guy?

Karra: no, no.

Russ: oh that’s good.

Karra: uh-huh but he’s going to probably needs somebody to chat and to shout at because the pain is going to be excruciating and we can’t deduct the pain because of the healing process would be slowed. However there is one thing that he can do in the astral form, it’s going to be depressing….

Russ: hmm.

Karra: but we’re going to…..no, I can’t ask you to do that.

Russ: why not?

Karra: I’m going to tell you what I would like but it’s up to you.

Russ: okay.

Karra: I can’t ask you......well I can ask you but I’ve really got to say it is your own choice.

Russ: of course.

Karra: okay, the guy in the cryo unit, we’re going to take him out of the
cryo unit and we're going to let him go. We want you to help him do the crossover, tell him that he’s got to pass on.

Russ: okay.

Karra: explain the situation to him. That is only if you want to. We do have somebody that is more qualified to do that.

Russ: well I’ve only done it once.

Karra: it’s up to you. Omal says it’s best not to discuss it now, something for you to think upon and it is really, really up to you.

Russ: we got some time anyway right?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Karra: we’re not going to take him out of the cryo tank just yet because we want to get some gene material.

Russ: okay.

Karra: he is not an only child but he has no children.

Russ: okay.

Karra: so we need to salvage material for the genes.

Russ: okay.

Karra: I mean we can keep him like he is indefinitely but that would not serve the purpose.

Russ: no, it would slow down his process.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay, I'll dwell on it. Oh yeah, David's telekinesis.

(one of the twins of Karra and myself)

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: coming along quite nicely.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: he got that from his dad, his grandfather I mean.

Karra: yeah, I knew what you meant.

Russ: yes obviously, your dad.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay and Michael's is slower?

Karra: Michael seems to be a little bit slower on some things.

Russ: really?

Karra: that’s the way he is.

Russ: who came out first?

Karra: Michael did.

Russ: Michael did?

Karra: yeah but look at Alex for example.

(the son of Kiri and Mark)

Russ: right.

Karra: I mean how often will he sit down and be outgoing?

Russ: very rarely.

Karra: uh-huh and then look at his mother.

Russ: true. Yep…

Karra: and look at his father, he's quite outgoing sometimes. It’s very rare for Alex to be outgoing. I’ve watched Alex grow up, being my first, what would he be? Nephew.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and it’s fascinating to watch him.

Russ: true and it's fun to watch just the whole process of his growth.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and how it's coming along.

Karra: okay.





(Omal makes his thoughts known about what Karra discussed)


Omal: Russ, I must stress that it is your own free will in this matter.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: I do not say that you should or you shouldn't, it’s something that you have to decide for yourself. Karra putting you on the spot like that is something I do not agree with. I feel that you could learn from it but also you could learn from not doing it.

Russ: right.

Omal: you will not be put in that position again.

Russ: oh please though understand, I don’t mind at all.

Omal: no, it is something that Karra should not have done. It is putting you on the spot to make a decision on something that you do not need to learn.

Russ: well, for example, it could be that I might have some past life with this gentleman.

Omal: that is unimportant.

Russ: well still, it’s something that were I decide to do it, it would be because I felt compared to do so.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and unless that compulsion comes, no, I won't be doing it.

Omal: that is your choice.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: okay.





(Tia as well has some thoughts on Karra's request)


Tia: I have to concur with Omal in that actually.

Russ: of course.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: of course, me too.

Tia: slap on her wrist.

Russ: well no sense being hard with her, she’s understanding that something has to be done.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: there’s only a few people who can do that.

Tia: uh-huh, she’s looking at all the options I think.

Russ: uh-huh. Like I say, she knows I know I’ve done it already……

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which is where she’s basing that from.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: I have experience in that field.

Tia: uh-huh, but you don’t have in my opinion……okay, thank you. Okay, let’s get ready to….

Russ: "that’s enough of that".

Tia: no, that didn’t come from Karra.

Russ: oh, Omal.

Tia: uh-huh, he said drop it.

Russ: all right.

Tia: okay.





(Kiri has some time to work with before we end the session)


Kiri: don’t you love it when she does that?

Russ: indeed darling. How are you today Kiri?

Kiri: I’m fine.

Russ: well good.

Kiri: I’m real fine.

Russ: well we're going to see your coercive parts yet.

Kiri: uh-huh, it’ll get on there.

Russ: it’s probably going to take some heavy editing.

Kiri: uh-huh, I understand with everything that transpired.

Russ: yeah because this is all prior to that and….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you probably didn’t have everything.....say everything that could have been said to keep that from being......

Kiri: yeah, I mean coercion is one of those fields that can easily be switched over to a negative.

Russ: right whereas shielding isn’t, coercion is like the only reason I even bothered started typing today was the fact that you started to go on coercion, I was like putting the big brakes on, listening to it for a long time going, "well yeah, you're putting in a lot of safeguards here but it doesn’t really matter, it's still coercion". It is one of those things that if people want to use it negatively they will.

Kiri: those felines are getting really rambunctious and kicking on doors aren’t they?

Russ: they're fighting against it.

Kiri: okay anyway, yes I mean I tried to put in as many safeguards as possible but it is real hard work on something like that, it could so easily be used in a negative pattern.

Russ: yeah I don’t think the webpage actually is one of the best forms for that.

Kiri: no.

Russ: because you have no control over it whereas in personal teaching sessions you have a bunch more control of who you teach it to and how you teach it to them.

Kiri: correct but coercion is something that will show somebody’s true self in their actions.

Russ: so you do feel there is a place on the web for it?

Kiri: yes there is but it’s one those things that on a karmic level if you teach somebody how to use it, they will show their true selves in how they use it.

Russ: well the thing I’m worried about is the fact that we’re going to have to sanitize this so much, that it's going to be no use for us whatsoever.

Kiri: we’ll see, we’ll see what’s left. I know it’s something that’s tricky and all that hard work out the window.

Russ: it’s a long one, that’s why it's my typing that's going to be dealing with this one.

Kiri: yeah. But there again it may be handy to put it on file for a later time.

Russ: yeah that’s true.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and if nothing else, at least I can print it up and use it for someone in a personal teaching atmosphere.

Kiri: correct, correct.

Russ: so there is that to be looked at on the benefit side which I do want to do now is get project Gemini going.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's not as necessary as it was obviously.

Kiri: no, obviously not.

Russ: but I can certainly use any benefits that come out of it.

Kiri: uh-huh, yes. Okay we'll work on that and I think, as was stated last week, Tia is the person to consult with.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh, due to the fact that she is very, very perceptive, very perceptive. I mean she seems sometimes to read people like a book.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: in fact we had a little minor disagreement over something but that’s between Tia and myself.

Russ: I know, I heard all about it.

Kiri: oh, what did you hear about?

Russ: that you and Tia and Mark were all discussing his health and you felt that he shouldn’t have overdone it in the fencing….

Kiri: no, it had nothing to do with that whatsoever.

Russ: oh, I thought that’s what you were talking about.

Kiri: no, we had another discussion this morning about something else.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: and that was unimportant, it doesn’t need to be discussed.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: but yes, that was an interesting discussion. Tia thought and correctly that Mark was overdoing it. I thought that it was good for him. Mark concurred with me. It was a discussion that was very necessary to have so that Tia could voice her opinions instead of keeping them to herself as she does sometimes.

Russ: well she already chastised herself about that tonight.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yes, the crucifixion.

Russ: yes right.

Kiri: she's walking around like this. She's making comments about what a way to spend Easter and if she drops that cross one more time she’s out of the procession. God, Tia and her poor jokes.

Russ: oh, which reminds me…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: a horse walked into a bar, the bartender says, "why the long face?"

Kiri: oh, okay. Hmm, okay, I see. Okay, let’s get sensible here for the moment because we're wasting time that could be better discussed on other matters.

Russ: alrighty.

Kiri: okay, let us look at the development of computer technology as I have little bit of interest in that.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: let’s not discuss computer technology.

(Russ breaks out in laughter)

Russ: well good because I was about to write it down here and now I don’t have to cross it out at least.

Kiri: uh-huh. Do you know what happened there?

Russ: yes, Omal just went over and…..

Kiri: went………..because he knows that I would probably say something that would open up a whole can of worms and your computer technology would jump 20 years in 30 seconds.

Russ: yeah and we get our whole project shut down.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: no thank you. Let’s try something a little more sanitized.

Kiri: okay, sanitary napkins.

Russ: energy napkins?

Kiri: sanitary napkins.

Russ: oh, sanitary napkins.

Kiri: sorry, it’s my joke.

Russ: I know.

Kiri: okay, let me see. Let us talk about……..no, let’s not talk about that.

(now Russ really starts laughing)

Russ: I think we’ll go back to frivolous chitchat here.

Kiri: let us discuss metal………..no, let’s not discuss metallurgy.

(more laughter)

Russ: want to hear another joke?

Kiri: no, no core reactors, no engine reactors. Oh well, there goes my whole entire list of discussions tonight.

Russ: how about safety pins.

(Russ starts laughing some more)

Kiri: Omal, I can’t say anything……oh God, yes I could, you’re quite correct there. Omal says that I could probably give away a formula for a better safety pin made out of a more springy metal which would involve metallurgy.

(Kiri swears a bit in Sirian in fun)

Kiri: I feel better after that.

Russ: oh good, got that out of your system.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Kiri: didn’t sound right coming through Mark’s voice though.

Russ: it sounded fine. What about wood, can’t you work with wood, that's nice and natural……..?

Kiri: ohhhhh, talking of wood…..

Russ: yeah, you've got to have something here about wood.

Kiri: actually I do have something that you can do for me.

Russ: there we go.

Kiri: uh-huh. Have you ever seen a pole lathe.

Russ: a what?

Kiri: a
pole lathe.

Russ: yes sure, it makes baseball bats and table legs.

Kiri: uh-huh, have you ever seen one working?

Russ: sure, it just spins around very fast.

Kiri: uh-huh, how does he do it?

Russ: well you’ve got a motor on one side and a dowel on the other……

Kiri: no, no. A
pole lathe.

Russ: I don’t understand you’re talking about, I’m thinking of just a lathe where you put a piece of wood in there.......

Kiri: no a pole lathe was mentioned tonight at your meeting.

Russ: oh, oh, oh, oh the spring driven pole lathe.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: right.

Kiri: it’s actually driven by a branch.

Russ: yeah, a sapling or something.

Kiri: uh-huh. Go and look at it, may come in handy you know.

Russ: that is a good idea.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: interrogate the guy, take your portable hand cassette.

Russ: I know what we can talk about…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we can talk about costumes.

Kiri: oh cool.

Russ: yeah, Mark says you were talking all about costumes.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how about some costumes here, that’s permitted.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: there aren’t any secrets you could lay out on this one.

Kiri: I could probably.

Russ: you could probably but we'll hold off on those.

Kiri: okay, I can’t mention materials to you……..I can mention materials as long as they are certain earth materials.

Russ: sure, polyesters, cotton, we don’t use those for the Renaissance period anyway.

Kiri: uh-huh, correct.

Russ: so go with muslin and…

Kiri: linen.

Russ: linen sure.

Kiri: and wool.

Russ: right.

Kiri: uh-huh. Wool underwear. Okay, now I was thinking....of, could Ona, is that her name?

Russ: correct.

Kiri: make a very, very special dress for someone?

Russ: she can make anything you want her to.

Kiri: how about a hooped dress?

Russ: a hoop dress?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: for the Renaissance period?

Kiri: kind of.

Russ: they didn’t have hoop dresses in the Renaissance period.

Kiri: I know but it’s for a gift for somebody from us if it could be done. Made out of something like a shiny material? I’m not quite sure what you would call it

Russ: silk, satin?

Kiri: satin

Russ: satin?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah, she can do it but it will cost an arm and a leg or in your case many cases of wine.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay. Because the idea is to help somebody with a past life, well two somebody’s actually.

Russ: Mona.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh, Karra’s filling me in.

Kiri: uh-huh, you see the dress? Nice puffy sleeves, nice hoop skirt….

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh, done in a……

Russ: what are you doing? Showing her a picture or something or just giving it to her mentally?

Kiri: yeah, giving it to her mentally.

Russ: oh, that figures.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: green.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: best way to do it.

Russ: according to her.

Kiri: uh-huh, it’s quicker and easier than me punching it up and quickly scribbling it on the keyboard. And the thing is that she’d have to do it from somehow getting measurements without Mona being aware of it.

Russ: it could be done.

Kiri: uh-huh. It would be a nice gift though.

Russ: it'd be a great gift.

Kiri: yeah. Oh by the way, there is no channeling session next week.

Russ: yeah, he’s gone right?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: and the tape's getting close to ending.

Russ: that’s okay, we got a lot of stuff on this.

Kiri: yeah, we got about another ten minutes or so.......

Russ: okay.

Kiri: which is just as well, I don’t think we’re going to get Tia back.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh, guess who just walked in the door?

Russ: Leah?

Kiri: uh-huh and they're........Leah’s got…..

Russ: it is her.

Kiri: huh? She hasn't even looked over this way yet.

Russ: well....

Kiri: they’re busy talking on something at the moment, they're standing in….

Russ: what happened to the idol worship of Kiri?

Kiri: oh she still worships me.

Russ: are you still on a pedestal somewhere on there?

Kiri: oh I’m still very much on a pedestal.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: very funny actually today. I’m standing, reaching up on tiptoes, reaching with a laser screwdriver right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and I've just finished, I’m still up there on tiptoes and all of a sudden there’s......right between my legs, kissed all over. Very enjoyable, very enjoyable. And she still, no..…well they started calling her the Ice Princess.

Russ: they stopped?

Kiri: no, they started really calling her the Ice Princess and she’s actually loving it on the quiet. She was sunning herself at lunchtime down by the swimming pool and she was there in just her panties, she'd taken her top off and everything and she’s working her tan right? And she said that she got hit on about six times.

Russ: wow.

Kiri: and that it’s very good for his self-esteem.

Russ: I’ll bet.

Kiri: but she’s developing the ability to eavesdrop on the intimate mode a little bit right? And the bet is that the guy that sleeps with her or the girl……..everybody, they’ve got a pool going and they are……..I think it’s up to something like 200 cases of wine at the moment.

Russ: whoever gets to sleep with her?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: Tia won. Just say, "oh, I slept with her last night", 200 cases of wine, ch-ching.

Kiri: no, they’ve got to be in the pool.

Russ: oh, well so, I’m sure Tia and Leah wouldn’t mind dropping in the pool one time.

Kiri: Leah is not allowed in the pool, she’s not even supposed to be aware of it.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh. So yeah they've got this pool going right? And the thing is that she says that all the guys that hit on her did absolutely nothing for her. She said there’s only one girl that did a little bit for her and she was on the……..


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