Archivist Notes:    It never ceases to amaze me that with these channeling sessions being chosen at random, more often than not they fit well with the previous ones that included the relevant information. This channeling session of April is different though a better session could not have been chosen for the moment. The title, as you will hear, was provided by Karra as it reflects the theme carried out through each of the speakers. From Omal to Kiri, we discuss preparations handy for just such an occasion as the pandemic being experienced globally. This is one of those times where the preparations discussed for some ongoing crisis are overblown due to a fear that turns out to be nothing but not this time. This time things are real and the information provided will probably not work in most situations so adjustments would have to be made for the location of the listener. When this was recorded over twenty years ago it was for a house at 6,500 feet and apparently during the winter. Hearing it now, the preparations being discussed are embarrassingly inadequate for what would even a mild crisis would require. Nonetheless, it's never too late to start until it is so we hope the following podcast provides useful information that can be combined with the information on survival preparations from previous channeling sessions. Now on to the summary.

   Though rare, our channeling sessions were not without our recording errors and this month was just such a case. Either only play was pushed or someone forgot to hit record, we lost about ten minutes out of sixty minutes of taping where both Tia and Omal had already been talking. We begin in the middle of Omal's discussion on the storage of provisions in the event of the breakdown of society. As we discuss the building of an atrium, you will hear about the talk of pogs. Pogs were part of an employee award system Heavenly ski resort had at the time where both Mark and myself were employed. Pogs, which were about the size of a poker chip, was a game craze of the 90s and several companies tied in their award system to the fad. Heavenly was no exception and the pogs they used were valuable to those trying to earn them. What time Omal does have with us is used to explore various ways we could prepare the habitation Mark and I shared for most eventualities. We had then recently had a greenhouse in the yard suffer structural damage and so we explored a way to building instead on the deck. With Karra adding input telepathically to Omal, a few options became available to both prepare for the worst and increase the value of the house in the process. Speaking of Karra, she is the next speaker and now comes on to add her suggestions in person. Karra focuses more on food and nutrition in her conversation and what would be needed to survive on should access to food staples be unavailable. At one point she reflects back on her time as a little girl of seven being stuck in the family cabin during a snowstorm. The story's value to us is that she remembers the peat that would be burnt to keep the fire lit and the pleasant smell that it produced. Should the need arrive, she reminds me of a nearby field that may be a source that could be utilized. Between the pine nuts and pine needles, a mountain environment provides plenty of resources to fall back on in nature should the need arise. A best-case scenario is that there is never a need.

   After a short side one, Tia gets side two off to a start as we go over a book that dealt with extreme shortages on a far-off planet. The book is "Dune" and in the book, the shortage is a lack of water while in a scenario with basic services, many shortages will be taking place. Tia's contribution to the session's theme of survival gets into the practical details that would be involved in a survival situation such as how long the supply should last and the optimal number of people that could support each other during the crisis. We cover cooking, heating, and lighting before it's time to bring on the guest speaker. Luckily for us, the guest speaker of the night turned out to be Lyka who knows more about survival than most of the other speakers. We start off a little off-topic as we talk about the rehearsals being put on at the Corner Bar which would be part of the dancers to perform at that year's Tri-Base Ski Races being held at Hades Base in a few weeks. The topic of soul animals comes up and we learn hers is the tigress. It was only two months ago in February's podcast that In Lyka's last third dimensional life she had been the person the world knows now as General George S. Patton. At the time of taping, she had not yet turned twenty-one so she did not have access to her past lives. By now she has no doubt come to accept her life as a logical incarnation in retrospect. In one of her most enlightening revelations, she explains the role of a member of the Sirian Defense Force. We haven't really gone into the equipment she wears while on patrol now that their main mission is to provide reconnaissance and support but not supply advanced weaponry to the force they are helping. She even touches on the laser swords they use prior to having to rush out in such a hurry she doesn't have the time to say goodbye. Tia jumps back in real quick to bring on Kiri to take us to the end of the tape which turns out to be fortuitous as an engineer's take was just what the home preparations needed. She has a favor to ask first which is to get in some fencing practice after the channeling session. Kiri not being a fencer, her request came as a surprise but she reveals Lyka's fencing instructor had programmed into her some moves. What she has for us is even more surprising as she gives us do-it-yourself solar anyone could make that double as a source of hot water. We also get into the designs for a solar oven made out of tin foil just before the tape reaches its conclusion.                     
            

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SIDE ONE


(Due to a loss of about ten minutes of recording time, we start in as Omal is talking)


Omal: back to the issue at hand.

Russ: correct.

Omal: okay, yes that would be useful. Stock up, the money that you would have expended on the food, use for more useful tools.

Russ: okay.

Omal: such as heating equipment.

Russ: cords of wood.

Omal: cords of wood, propane, candles…

Russ: generator.

Omal: generator.

Russ: yeah, I agree.

Omal: uh-huh but, back to the storage spaces.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you have ample storage spaces. In the winter, you take goods that withstand cold….

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you make boxes. You pack the snow around them, what do you have in essence?

Russ: a refrigerator.

Omal: correct. So perishable goods like let us say meat, you put them in the boxes, close the lid, make sure the lid cannot be opened by the feline domesticus or…..

Russ: raccoons domesticus and other......

Omal: coyote hungyerus.

Russ: well the raccoon would be the smartest out of a whole bunch I think.

Omal: yes. You make it heavy enough that it to be difficult for a bear or even put a padlock on it......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: so that you would be able to have more space and also maintain a high protein level.

Russ: what about an outside storage area like the one next door, there’s a metal storage container?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which they use for a shed?

Omal: uh-huh.   

Russ: those are fairly inexpensive and fairly sturdy, stand up to most anything.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: padlock on them in the wintertime, they stay very cold out there due to it's all metal......

Omal: yes.

Omal: snow gets packed up around them…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that might be an option.

Omal: yes, that might be an option. Okay, the greenhouse.

Russ: oh yes, we need to work on that.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I don’t think the idea we had for it before was a viable one.

Omal: it is a viable one believe it or not.

Russ: really?

Omal: it just needs more rigid support.

Russ: okay.

Omal: what you want to do, and Kiri is saying that Mark has placed bracing in front of it, is now it is rigid. But instead of doing a tent-like arrangement, you do the sides and then you would get something like clear plastic for the front and the back.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: so therefore it is a sealed-in unit. It does not matter the plastic gets damaged and gradually what you could do is replace the plastic with clear plastic.

Russ: oh so in another words, the covering of it will be a harder material........

Omal: correct.

Russ: a tent-like material that will withstand a lot.

Omal: well you start off with the flimsy sheet plastic and then gradually add in as you go the corrugated plastic….

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: so you would build up the sides.

Russ: okay.

Omal: drill a hole through and you bolt it in place.

Russ: okay, excellent. Also, I’m thinking, is there a way we can use the deck as a similar…….?

Omal: oh yes, most easily.

Russ: because I’m thinking almost that the deck would make a easier access just because it'd be right there. You go out the door, the deck’s there, the greenhouse is right there, corrugated plastic….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: or whatever and you got the support of the….

Omal: the house.

Russ: the house.

Omal: yes, you could work on that. You could actually use glass in that situation….

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: and you would be able to......thank you, she deserves a......I think you would call it......thank you Tia, a pog for that comment.

Russ: oh God.

Omal: your charming lady has just made a suggestion.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: it would be a nice improvement for your house, something that would be beneficial for the price on the house?

Russ: indeed.

Omal: she can be very manipulative and can........manipulative is the best way to describe her and she is suggesting that somebody to be talked into contributing.

Russ: my mother.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s not a bad idea, a little conservatory kind of thing.

Omal: correct.

Russ: hmmm.

Omal: I think she called it a atrium.

Russ: atrium, indeed.

Omal: much more posher than a conservatory.

Russ: and it looks better than the old greenhouse effect.

Omal: correct.

Russ: greenhouse. That would be nice to go inside and sit around and….

Omal: and, you can also use the construction to benefit somebody else.

Russ: who? Skip.

Omal: correct.

Russ: of course.

Omal: Karra is a genius at being manipulative and supplying the information where it would be better for you to extrapolate and learn on your own.

Russ: indeed.

Omal: take that pog away.

(that comment gets Russ laughing)

Russ: okay, good, good. That would be perfect, you’d have plenty of space….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and the water situation would be a lot easier there instead of having to truck it all the way across the yard, it's right there, you could run a hose.

Omal: uh-huh and also when it rains, on the guttering you get yourself a barrel.

Russ: hmm, indeed.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: perfect. This is going to work out a lot better.

Omal: or even two barrels and they look so nice.

Russ: yes they would.

Omal: give her the pog back.

(Russ starts laughing again)

Russ: and we could use that space out there where the greenhouse was for more……because there's a lot of sunlight there….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: for a lot more legumes or other vegetables that we could put in in the ground.

Omal: uh-huh or….

Russ: or…..

Omal: other trade goods.

Russ: indeed, indeed.

Omal: good thinking. Okay let us look at what you could grow inside in pots….

Russ: okay.

Omal: in the greenhouse that you will have plenty of room.

Russ: indeed, that sun hits right perfectly on that area.

Omal: something that would be very useful, dried or during the summer not dried.

Russ: herbs.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: absolutely.

Omal: something that climbs that would be useful for making beverages from.

Russ: grapes?

Omal: correct.

Russ: perfect environment for them.

Omal: you could have two types as a matter fact.

Russ: indeed. Okay, that’s a great plan, I think we’re really looking good there.

Omal: okay. And, what you could possibly do for extra defensive measures for the castle effect….

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: is decking.

Russ: decking?

Omal: again, that would increase the value of the house.

Russ: decking where, oh out the front?

Omal: out the front. A carport.

Russ: oh I see, decking over the.........uh-huh.

Omal: you could put a door in there.

Russ: uh-huh, go out onto the….

Omal: onto the deck.

Russ: hmm, indeed.

Omal: your vehicles are protected, your nice, new Jeep is protected.

Russ: that wouldn't be difficult, there’s plenty of plans for that around the town.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: wow, this would be nice.

Omal: and again, thank you, give that girl another pog, it would increase the value of the house exponentially.

Russ: hmm, now that’s something we can start on come Spring because we can get plans now….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: get everything measured out ready to go…..

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: at the point where it’s ready to kick in, then come springtime, just take some of the funds that we would have used on food….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and put it in toward putting that.

Omal: yes, and you would be able to do it yourself.

Russ: sure, easy. Not easy but workable.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: dang, boy you got so may places you could build onto out there.

Omal: yes.

Russ: I mean it's a natural building source.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, interesting. Well thank you, that will definitely be a much better plan.

Omal: you’re welcome, thank you.

Russ: thank you Omal, that was a very lovely night.

Omal: live long, prosper and I’ll be back.

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(This is our first time hearing Tia though she had introduced Omal)


Tia: hmm?

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: anyway, you got any questions for me?

Russ: not just yet. Oh, congratulations on your new promotion.

Tia: I’ve got a meeting tomorrow to discuss it, I think that’s what they want to discuss.

Russ: oh you’ll get it.

(Tia hums her way out of the channeling field)

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(Karra, Lady of the Pogs, takes Omal's place)


Russ: greetings my love, timing as always.

Karra: oh, perfect timing.

Russ: of course. Well we have been hard at work I’d say today.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so, two pogs for the lady.

Karra: yes.

Russ: good job.

Karra: I followed this pog development, two pogs does not give me much does it?

Russ: no but you're on the way to getting a nice pin.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I know, you’ll learn more about it tomorrow when I do in that meeting.

Karra: yes, uh-huh. You don’t have that many pogs either do you?

Russ: I've got five, six with tomorrow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: if get a new hat out of it which takes usually ten.

Karra: uh-huh, looks like Mark has five in here, well two in here.

Russ: oh, he’s a manager, he's supposed to give them out so.....

Karra: who's supposed to give them out?

Russ: he is.

Karra: well, why does he have them then?

Russ: well he has them in case he has to give one out and have them available to give. Oh no, no, no....

Karra: no, I want to decipher them.

Russ: okay, Heavenly's outstanding team or H.O.T. and teamwork pog which gets you outstanding employee which means some employee who's done great.

Karra: I think we better put them back. Tia says that they are Mark's.

Russ: oh they are, he probably earned them.

Karra: probably. I wonder what he done to deserve.......Tia’s talking about avalanche control.

Russ: oh.

Karra: yes? This one is.....

Russ: Edwin.

(a cat in the room)

Karra: yes, the one that had the throat problem.

Russ: correct, looks quite fine now.

Karra: feels quite fine, okay.

Russ: all right now love, let’s work on Karen for a second.

Karra: okay.

Russ: since she's been on my mind right now. I recognize her from a past life but I can’t decide or determine which one.

Karra: I can’t tell you which one.

Russ: I know but I’m wondering if with her ability at clairvoyance….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and coming out now, it would be something that perhaps would help my abilities also?

Karra: you sense a healer don’t you? Yes it would, it might help you in other ways too.

Russ: hmm. All right, let’s see, where to now? God, so many places to jump on.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ okay.

Karra: manipulative indeed.

Russ: love it.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, we are working on other foodstuffs….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: that will be helpful for starting of storage.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, so we discussed flour…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: barterable.

Karra: I think Omal had wonderful input on that.

Russ: absolutely, that was really good. I’m thinking we need to vary our diets and get better amounts of food stored that would give us…..like Top Ramen’s fine but you don’t want to live on the stuff.

Karra: no, that is why I think he was suggesting lagumes and…

Russ: and growing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what can you store now though that would do the same? Canned goods or in cases where you can’t grow foods?

Karra: yes, I think that that would work but nuts.

Russ: how is the shelflife on nuts, pretty good?

Karra: yeah, besides they're renewable, they'll keep for a year or so.

Russ: trail mix and stuff too would be good.

Karra: uh-huh but there’s something you’re forgetting about nuts.

Russ: what? Protein.

Karra: uh-huh and go outside, dig around and pull up a cone.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: what have you got there?

Russ: nuts.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmmm. So the Indians lived on them…

Karra: correct.

Russ: we can certainly use them.

Karra: certainly and they’re very high in protein and oil.

Russ: uh-huh, absolutely. Okay, that’s a good one. Probably stored properly they would last at least a year.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: five-gallon buckets, I need to track some down.

Karra: uh-huh, fill up one of those.

Russ: I think can find them at Smart and Final......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: sealable.

Karra: yes, you have a five-gallon bucket filled with pine nuts and stuff, that will keep you going for a couple months.

Russ: oh easy. And......

Karra: not only pine nuts. Expeditions down to the lower levels looking for walnut trees. Hazelnuts, filbert trees.

Russ: hmm. Now Tia….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: mentioned a six-month supply.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now is that an optimistic appraisal do you think?

Karra: I don’t know, Tia has her own rules and tendencies and information that she gives out and withholds.

Russ: so something like nuts which would stand at least a year and some of this other stuff will stand till the end of time…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: would give us plenty of backup just in case six months is an optimistic figure.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I think the six-month figure would be good to plan for things that are perishable, highly perishable.

Karra: well the way you would do it is you would say, “okay, this is six months emergency supply. When we get to the three-month point we will start to have to look for more supplies. Remember, six months is half a year.

Russ: true. Now what we could do is set up our food storage system in a system that relegates stuff to perishable to this part…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: this stuff is perishable to this part, this stuff never dies.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: like nuts to a year, Top Ramen till 50 years.

Karra: yes but you have things like legumes right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: the fact that they’ve been dried, you can keep on renewing them. Let us say that you have 40 pounds of lima beans. That'd supply for a month at least….

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: and you also have some that you would save the planting, the best-looking ones would be saved for planting and you pick through them.

Russ: what about a really good, big soup pot?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: something that you can just keep adding to.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and it’s soup anybody can take.

Karra: correct.

Russ: if you had a nice, little fire going under your stove, a little wood, piece of wood every once in a while just to stay warm and that soup would just be…..grab a bowl when you come out of the cold or something.

Karra: correct.

Russ: that’s a great idea, hmm. Okay and if you wanted you just toss herbs in every once in a while.

Karra: uh-huh. I remember as a little girl we have a cottage high up in the hills….

Russ: right.

Karra: and I was about oh seven years old and dad and my mother and myself were up there…

Russ: right.

Karra: and we were having a quiet weekend, very quiet weekend and we were up there and we got caught in a snow blizzard. Visibility was……I remember sticking my hand out like that and going, “mommy, why can’t I see my hand?” And she said that it was snowing very hard. We had a stove in there that was made out of metal and we burnt all sorts of things in there including soil but a particular type of soil that was from a swamp and there was an area where the laborers that lived there normally…..well they live there now…..used to go out and they still do……and they cut the soil and they use it as fuel. I’m not quite sure what they…..

Russ: like peat?

Karra: something like that.

Russ: okay.

Karra: it smells real nice. I think you would call the cottage a coft?

Russ: uh-huh, a croft.

Karra: coft in Sirian.

Russ: oh, okay. It would be croft down here in English or Celtic.

Karra: hmm. Okay anyway, there is that kind of as an alternative fuel and I’m pretty sure that if worse came to worse you would be able to locate peat really close at hand.

Russ: uh-huh, there are a number of areas like that.

Karra: uh-huh. I don’t think there’s one very far away we actually in an area where you could locate.

Russ: yeah, right over here in the meadow probably.

Karra: I’ve got to stop doing that.

Russ: I’ll have to have to look it up.

Karra: uh-huh but you would be able to burn that as a fuel.

Russ: hmm, theoretically.

Karra: theoretically yes.

Russ: I'll look into that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now what about figuring out a way to gather up the pine needles…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and compress them into like bricks or something like that or at least tie them up tight to where they would make little logs.

Karra: yes, that would work.

Russ: they burn really hot and would start any fire or any kind of wood that you wanted and they'd store great.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: remember how in Sedona they had the sage all tied up as smudge sticks?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: do the same thing with a bunch of pine needles?

Karra: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: that would just burn great.

Karra: yes it would, it would, it would burn extremely well.

Russ: I wonder if that would make a great, little startering technique too?

Karra: uh-huh and you can also…...

Russ: instant kindling.

Karra: also wrap them together like twigs, the longer ones.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and you can use them to sweep..

Russ: yeah. This is a great session….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: got some great ideas.

Karra: I think we ought to call it survival.

Russ: yeah, I agree.

Karra: survival of the smartest.

Russ: yep.

Karra: well I will put on the playful one.

Russ: love you darling, more than you can know.

Karra: yes, I will be doing lots of thinking.

Russ: yes, I’ll be dwelling on this for a while.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, talk to you in a second.

Karra: okay. Don’t worry about coming over, I’m not going to get home until late.

Russ: okay, no problem.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: bye love.

Karra: bye.

Russ: thank you.

 
SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Tia is set to help on our theme tonight of survival)


Tia: oh, oops-y-daisy.

Russ: and you are online sweetheart.

Tia: yes, both here and down there.

Russ: actually, this does tape pretty good in the situation we're using right now.

Tia: uh-huh, it actually sounds a little better than the system you have downstairs.

Russ: lucky guess.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, let us get down to business.

Russ: okay, here we go. Now…..

Tia: yes.

Russ: a book….

Tia: a book.

Russ: are you familiar with this book?

Tia: let me access here for a second.

Russ: okay.

Tia: yes we have accessed and there’s penguins in it.

(she is referring to areas of Mark's mind)

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay your question on the book "Dune"…

Russ: "Dune", by Frank Herbert. Now "Dune", as a pre-face, is quite a fascinating book for its relevant matter to our current situation and that being the practice of shortage and knowledge of attainable goods. Okay, now in "Dune" the shortage of course for water and one of the things that I just read here just before we started the session here I thought it might bring up a little bit and see what you thought and this concerns the law of the minimum.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: "and growth is limited by the necessity which is present in the least amount and naturally the least favorable conditions control the growth rate. Water is the least favorable condition for life on Arrakis and remember that growth itself can produce unfavorable conditions unless treated with extreme care."

Tia: uh-huh, too much growth can be detrimental, too little growth can be detrimental is basically what it’s saying.

Russ: right. Now the factor of growth is controlled by, as it says here the, "limited by the necessity which is present in the least amount".

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore, if we require something, then our growth would be dependent on that which we can get the least?

Tia: the least that you can get by on.

Russ: the least that you can get by on?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I see. So in another words, when we’re dealing with things like food and other necessities….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: then that which we can get by on the least continues our growth.

Tia: correct.

Russ: so for example, say I weighed 320 pounds……

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? That would mean I require more food on a daily level than myself which only weighs 160 pounds or forty pounds.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore in a condition of shortages, I would have a better chance of getting by than the gentleman at 320 pounds.

Tia: because the person at 320 pounds is used to a daily calorie intake that is much higher.

Russ: correct.

Tia: so therefore he needs much more to sustain his current level. Now if it’s because he’s tall and not fat, fat you can do with way with, you can lose. If he was fat, he might outlive you but there again he might not. But if it was because of the fact that he was tall and well-built and had the minimum amount of fat on his frame, then he would need to maintain that level for him to function.

Russ: let’s say that we both had the same amount of food amounts, let's say a hundred calories a day okay?

Tia: uh-hmm.

Russ: and the gentleman was fat, he’d outlive me?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: because his body would eat off the fat.

Tia: correct.

Russ: and he’d look like hell after it was off. I might die but I'd die looking a lot better than he would.

Tia: yeah but you’d be dead, he wouldn’t.

Russ: I don’t know if I’d want to live. Anyway, so now we go on to our current situation which is the stocking of supplies.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Top Ramen.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: one of instant lunches kind of deal where we just add boiling water.

Tia: yeah and if you throw in the herbs and the dried food right? You can turn it into a lunch or not lunch, into a dinner.

Russ: absolutely.

Tia: yeah, you want to plan about a six-month siege level.

Russ: now for how many people though?

Tia: well what you’ve got there is enough for one person for two months….

Russ: correct.

Tia: and that’s just Top Ramen.

Russ: that’s just the Top Ramen, that doesn't includes the fifty pounds of Rice.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which would make a good side dish for that.

Tia: yeah, so what you have is enough to keep one person going for two months with a full meal, one meal a day….

Russ: correct.

Tia: including rice and so on.

Russ: yeah, rice and Top Ramen. Well you could do rice in the morning, Top Ramen at night.

Tia: uh-huh plus herbs and stuff. What you've got there will keep on person going for about two months.

Russ: right.

Tia: with a full meal basically.

Russ: correct.

Tia: either splitting into two or just having it as one.

Russ: it would be a pretty boring two months but yeah......

Tia: uh-huh yeah but you would be a alive at the end of the day.

Russ: you'd be alive at the end of the day.

Tia: so what with what you have there already, you have enough for one person for two months. Now if that is enough for one person for two months right? You have to multiply that by how many people you need. Now, you'd have to multiply that by three for six months.

Russ: now the question here is what you just said, how many people do we need?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now that is an optimal point that we need to work on here is in the scenario B situation that we are currently looking at….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now there will be a minimum and a maximum amount of people.

Tia: well how many people are you prepared to put into each room?

Russ: two.

Tia: two in each room would be comfortable so it would be two, four, six, eight.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: so, you have to.....thank you.....you would have to multiply how much six months would be by........I tell my girls off for biting their nails….

Russ: oh, well yeah, but they've got different nails than I do.

Tia: yes? Kiri tells Alex and Leonedies for biting their nails......

Russ: oh, okay.

Tia: tells them off. But okay, so you would multiply that, what you have there, by 16. Why 16?

Russ: because it would be a two-month supply for eight people.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now two months with eight people…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we have the food supplies......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now, at that point we also have to plan the heating of the water to cook the food that we have the supplies for.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore we have to figure into our calculations how much heat it takes to feed eight people one day on the stuff that we have.

Tia: okay, what you also might think of doing is building a barbecue in the backyard.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: build the barbecue.......build the barbecue with a side oven right? Which should be pretty easy.

Russ: right.

Tia: top grill plate. You can put on one side, you can probably get away with putting a piece of metal that would get hot so you can put things on there to boil like water and so on.

Russ: well we're still working on the insert for the fireplace.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which would be much more handier because then we could have heat in the winter plus a cooking space.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: which is basically where the outside would only be good for a certain amount of the year.

Tia: no it wouldn’t, use it all the time. The heat would dry and get rid of everything, you just put dry wood in there right? And light it.

Russ: okay. But it’s outside though, you’re going to lose the heating capabilities that you could double for in the house.

Tia: oh certainly, certainly. Certainly you would lose that heating capability…..

Russ: see, that’s why I say it would only be good in the summertime where you're not worried about the heating capabilities and you wouldn’t………because like I say, we're dealing with "Dune", we’re going we're waste…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And we have to focus on the lack of waste to the extreme degree that any plan we can make that would eliminate the waste of a necessary ingredient, for example warmth as well as cooking.

Tia: okay, let’s have a look at something else…

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, you have plenty of access to meat right?

Russ: I guess.

Tia: let’s assume.

Russ: okay.

Tia: deer meat, whatever right? What are you going to do about lighting?

Russ: lighting the fire?

Tia: no, lighting.

Russ: oh lighting, keeping the place lit.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well, we have of course the plan we're working on now which is lamps and candles….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: mostly lamps.

Tia: okay, let’s say your candles are gone.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: right? And the oil’s gone.

Russ: right.

Tia: what can use as a substitute?

Russ: deer fat.

Tia: uh-huh, smells horrible but gives off a light.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: gives off a smoke as well but you could get away with that. So when you’re cooking right? What you do is the fat you take off and you put in a jar. Then you can scoop it out, put a wick in the middle or render it down, put a wick in the middle and then let it solidify and you got yourself a candle.

Russ: okay.

Tia: not a very good one but you have lighting.

Russ: good.

Tia: message from Karra is that she will go off-line in about 20 minutes or so……10 minutes, okay? Let me put on the next and last person.

Russ: all right.

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(Lyka is our survival expert and a good source of information on the subject)


Lyka: hello.

Russ: hello.

Lyka: how’s it going?

Russ: not bad Lyka, how’s yourself?

Lyka: not too bad, not too bad, can’t complain.

Russ: going to the party?

Lyka: what, tonight?

Russ: no, tomorrow.

Lyka: uh-huh, I’m going to be there.

Russ: are you going to be performing or just watching?

Lyka: just watching. Oh you mean the demonstration they’re going to?

Russ: uh-huh, yeah.

Lyka: that’s tonight.

Russ: oh it’s tonight?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: right and you’re going to be performing right?

Lyka: I might perform.

Russ: you're a skier right? You’re defending your title right?

Lyka: oh I’ll be racing.

Russ: yeah.

Lyka: no, not that kind of performing.

Russ: oh, okay.

Lyka: uh-huh. Lots of gorgeous men and women dancing on stage.

Russ: so where's that keep you out?

Lyka: well I’ve got to keep myself in tip top shape and besides, I plan to have early nights when the races are here.

Russ: oh okay.

Lyka: well reasonably early although from what I’ve heard there’s a couple of guys and girls that I might be interested in. Saw a picture of a girl, she’s a real hard body and her boyfriend is a real hunk.

Russ: sounds like fun.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: well sounds like Hades Base good God.

Lyka: oh yeah. I’ve got my plans, I’m going to take them to Lake Dolphin and show them what passion is on the beach.

Russ: take them on the boat?

Lyka: yeah we might do it on the boat.

Russ: boat might be good.

Lesson: uh-huh.

Russ: that kind of rocking motion like a huge waterbed?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, anyway……

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: as you know, we're discussing survival again.

Lyka: yes, survival, survival of the fittest.

Russ: the smartest.

Lyka: uh-huh, that’s what Karra called it. You know she’s absolutely adorable?

Russ: I can’t argue with you.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: I love the lady more than life itself.

Lyka: yeah, she's so loving.

Russ: uh-huh, she’s beautiful and awesome.

Lyka: gorgeous.

Russ: okay.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: so my dear……

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: a lady who I was discussing the current, future situation of the planet with last night, talked about some kind of prophecy in which she saw or had been for some reason been told that there would be a war between the Sierras and the Rockies? That’s not quite right I think but then anyway, there’s two crosses between the war zone I guess and we got one right here at Tallac and another one that’s on the other range, cascades, that’s it.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: now even if this happens, we're in fine shape for that….

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: as far as defensible but the question comes up how do you know beforehand that you will perform fine in the field of duty?

Lyka: you don’t.

Russ: you don’t?

Lyka: you don’t.

Russ: okay. Now are you aware that there is a belief down here that many people have their soul animals….

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: that they respond well to a certain animal, that that animal kind of is symbolic of that person.

Lyka: yeah.

Russ: what would you say your soul animal is?

Lyka: tigress.

Russ: tigress?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now see me, I get mine as the dolphin.

Lyka: uh-huh, why the dolphin?

Russ: well playful, loving, serious when has to be…..

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: and a certain amount of, you could call it psychic but it’s the wrong word.

Lyka: I think I know what you mean.

Russ: intuition maybe or whatever.

Lyka: now, why do you think I have the tigress?

Russ: well, just from your basic what you do, what you’re almost bred for…..

Lyka: uh-huh. I wouldn’t say I was bred for it.

Russ: well it’s no accident that do what you do.

Light: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean your past lives must have directed you in this particular area that you channeled your energies into isn’t it?

Lyka: I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s too early for me to have access.

Russ: still, I mean it’s just a logical conclusion. I don’t get access to mine either but I can look at your life now and do such.

Lyka: yeah, obviously I was very, very ferocious at one time.

Russ: I agree, I agree.

Lyka: I still am very ferocious.

Russ: competitive, ferocious…..

Lyka: uh-huh, honor bound, protective.......

Russ: determined.

Lyka: determined, yes.

Russ: so I would…..I mean it would point in that direction. I would almost say probably a male life or two where you were in that same role.

Lyka: probably yes, probably.

Russ: probably.

Lyka: uh-huh.

(Ed. note: we already know from a previous session that she was General George S. Patton in her last life)

Russ: so, I would say the tigress would fit right in along with that general scheme that we’re working on here.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: what color tigress?

Lyka: probably something like a……

Russ: Tia’s hunting colors?

Lyka: yeah, Tia’s hunting colors would work but that’s not quite what I had in mind. Kind of red and brown and black striped.

Russ: hmm, beautiful.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: and when you’re on a mission or something……..

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: do you have this sort of mental image that is part of you then?

Lyka: no.

Russ: no?

Lyka: I’d sooner not fight but if I have to I will.

Russ: right. Well let’s say you’re on patrol…..

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Hostile environment right? What part of you emulates that tigress aspect that you’re talking about, hearing?

Lyka: hearing.

Russ: what about stealth?

Lyka: stealth, yes.

Russ: hmmm.

Lyka: cautious as possible, listen to everything. One, two, three step, stop, listen.

Russ: hmmm.

Lyka: one, two, three step, stop, listen.

Russ: this comes from your training?

Lyka: uh-huh. One, two, three sound, stay absolutely still, hold the position you’re in, absolutely still and listen.

Russ: so it’s a focusing of your attention.

Lyka: uh-huh, yes, very much.

Russ: upon what you're doing, there’s no room for….

Lyka: for error. I wish I had Tia’s hearing capability and the ability to distinguish that snap of a twig, "is that somebody behind me that’s in my patrol just stepping on a twig or was that maybe some animal stepping on a twig or somebody else?"

Russ: can’t you get a technological breakthrough on something like that? We can down here where we can enhance our hearing a couple hundred percent of what….

Lyka: yes but it’s the bulkiness.

Russ: the stuff we have looks like a pair of eyeglasses practically.

Lyka: it’s bulky.

Russ: oh.

Lyka: I like to be as light as possible with stuff that will not go wrong.

Russ: so like an infrared with a hearing enhancer would just be too much for….

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: what about at night, you like just going straight bare-eyed, bare-eared?

Lyka: no, we do wear night vision goggles if we're in a real hostile environment.

Russ: hmm.

Lyka: if we're not, it depends on where we are on patrol. I’ve only been on two patrols and both of them the technology wise, they were up there and we did wear them. However, I’ve had people in my platoon tell me that they’ve been to planets where technology wise, they don’t have that kind of capability and you go bare-eyed because using superior equipment really does change the balance and we're not there to change the balance in favor of the group that we're honor bound to, we're there to free up individuals that may affect that change.

Russ: how do you tell the difference whether you'll affect it or not? Isn't that a paradox?

Lyka: by study.

Russ: I don’t know, it’s a tough call. It sounds like the prime directive being worked on from "Star Trek".

Lyka: no not really, it's because we're honor bound to lend aid, we cannot lend superior equipment. We are there as scouts, supplying information, so on. We don’t tell them how to use the information. For example, we go over a hill, we're scattered around and we come across a army that is prepping for an attack. We make our way back and we say, "okay, there’s an army on the other side of that hill, they're 70,000 strong, they're approaching from the East", we give them all the relevant information.

Russ: what kind of armament they're playing with?

Lyka: correct. But we don’t say, "okay, if you engage from here or here, you’re going to achieve the hand of surprise" or, "you're going to be able to use the terrain as a better…."

Russ: so no sweeping, flanking motions from the forest cover?

Lyka: no, we let them……if they want to do that, that’s fine. We will fight within their ranks with their equipment….

Russ: yeah, you could die that way though.

Lyka: so? We're fulfilling our oath.

Russ: hmm, I suppose.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: me, I’d have a laser rifle with full infrared and……

Lyka: most the time we do.

Russ: I'd be like, “I’m taking full advantage of this stuff”.

Lyka: most the time, all the engagements that I’ve been in, technology…..we use our standard equipment, our breastplates and so on. We wear as much of our protective gear to keep us alive as possible. We use our swords. The stories of a daughter world that is about the equivalent to your 1300s.......

Russ: uh-huh.

Lyka: and we use our laser swords with the laser edges.

Russ: oh really?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: oh man.

(Lyka suddenly has to leave so fast she can't say goodbye)

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(Tia jumps back on to usher in Kiri)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: she’s left already.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: oh well. Okay, we’re getting low or towards the end I think, how much time do we have left?

Russ: you got about ten minutes.

Tia: okay, I’ll put her on.

Russ: okay.

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(Kiri joins the channeling session in a perky mood to finish the night out)


Kiri: okay.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: how’s it going?

Russ: theoretically, better than last week eh?

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: well, what’s up baby?

Kiri: oh nothing much, nothing much. Yes, Karra is up to no good, I do know what she’s up to.

Russ: well anything Karra does is for good.

Kiri: oh yes, yes.

Russ: anyway, the ability to maintain our survival skills……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: needs to be focused on a little bit more I think in the coming weeks of the channeling sessions.

Kiri: yes, I think so too.

Russ: research as you get a chance and come across anything interesting, keep it in mind and bring it to session with you.......

Kiri: oh of course, of course, I will.

Russ: and then you and I and others can work on that….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: from that point.

Kiri: yes, we will work on that and we can work on it together as a unit.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: there is lots that we can do. I for example this morning had some free time, went down to see Lyka, Lyka wasn’t there….

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: got talking to her fencing instructor….

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: I want to try something out with you.

Russ: okay, good.

Kiri: when the tape finishes.

Russ: a little fencing practice?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, if you wish.

Kiri: oh, I wish.

Russ: fair enough, works for me.

Kiri: and you will see, I’ll explain what happened. We linked minds, he’s a coercive talent.

Russ: oh excellent.

Kiri: so we traded information.

Russ: so he now has a loop in sexual feelings?

Kiri: uh-huh and in return…..

Russ: how did I know that?

Kiri: in return he programmed into me some moves.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: sure, glad to love.

(Kiri gives us a suitable evil chuckle)

Kiri: we’ll see.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: anyway, I’m going to stop by, we’ve got a meeting with Treen and the owners of the bar and set up and measuring and stuff so we’re going to be there for about an hour’s so, two hours maybe.

Russ: that will be fun.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: good.

Kiri: and then we’ve got……it’s only going to take about a half an hour and then we’ve got in the backroom of the bar........we’ve got the girls that are going to be dancing and the guys that are going to be dancing.

Russ: quite a party.

Kiri: uh-huh, this is for the races.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: yeah, they’ll be dancing, they’re going to put on a show for us tonight, see what they've got so far. Yeah, it’s going to be fun, I’ve got a lot planned tonight and Tia is going to come along and help as she’s on the committee as I’m not on the committee.

Russ: ahh well.

Kiri: I'm the defending, brainze medalist.

Russ: bronze.

Kiri: brainze....uh-huh, bronze....bronze. Well it's not my language.

Russ: I know. Hmm…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so, where does your work take you right now, what are you doing for work?

Kiri: I’m still working on the channeling system.

Russ: still?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought you would had that whipped that out by now.

Kiri: there’s a lot to it. I’ve got one complete wall unit finished and there’s two more to do.

Russ: oh there is?

Kiri: yeah and I’ve got to link them and I’ve been working on it for about a year and a half now.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: but there are technical difficulties and I can’t fire up……I can run tests on it right? But it’s now totally incompatible with the system that we're using right at the moment.

Russ: hmmm. So you need to find the compatibility or just work on a brand-new system altogether?

Kiri: I’m working on a brand-new system. When I finish the whole entire system, all three panels right?
Then I will start to test it. Yeah, for all's I know I could fire it up and the three units won’t be talking to each other.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: which may take time……..you all right?

Russ: uh-huh, I’m working on a question you asked me.

Kiri: okay and what is the question?

Russ: the question is concerning the engineering aspects of all that we’ve learned and regards to our survival aspects and so I’m working now on the process of the rain barrels…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and collecting from the rain runoff into I would say closed barrels with only an opening for the water being admitted with the opening opened up to get the water out.

Kiri: uh-huh, pretty simple arrangement. The guttering, you angle just ever so slightly, you put a…..

Russ: we have to build the guttering?

Kiri: very simple. You build the guttering, okay you angle it so it channels it down, you put a cover over the top, a grate of some kind to stop the pine needles and stuff from flowing into there too much.

Russ: grate over the gutter.

Kiri: grate over the gutter, the water goes down the pipe into the barrel right? The barrel is totally sealed. You can put a piece of wood on top with a brick on top, whatever or you can get a barrel that has a fliptop that you can lift up or whatever but on one side you have a hole where it goes in, something about yea big, you have a pipe going in there bingo, real easy but I took away learning experience and I do apologize. Okay, now let’s think on how we can improve that and use the atrium right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: for something a little bit more. Let us say……..okay let’s go up the back there right? What can we put there that would be a useful tool during the summer to cut down on the hot water bill?

Russ: you can put solar panels in.

Kiri: uh-huh okay. What’s the cheapest way to do solar panels?

Russ: it would be to use black plastic…….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and PVC piping.

Kiri: so, what do we do?

Russ: you would run the water that’s being collected off from the rain…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: in underneath the PVC piping……..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: or into black plastic into PVC piping…….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: which would then run into your…….

Kiri: storage unit.

Russ: which would be the rain buckets.

Kiri: not necessarily.

Russ: we don’t have storage unit though.

Kiri: you can make one.

Russ: out of what?

Kiri: well you can use a barrel, insulate it.

Russ: we already got two barrels out……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you mean a third barrel?

Kiri: uh-huh or what you can do is pump the water in, once it’s full you can pump it up and around, zigzag it down so it gets hot, gets to the bottom, it goes back up, pumps back around and keeps on pumping around increasing the heat. It should almost be over.

Russ: let me check. We still got another 10 seconds.

Kiri: oh. Yeah, so you would get barrels right? Okay, this is how you do a efficient solar panel right? You use a pump right? You pump it up, it runs through right? Goes zigzagging all the way down, goes back into the barrel right? Which means you’re pumping hot water back into there right? Which pumps it back up out, all the way back down back into there increasing the heat. Now if you have one panel right? That’s fine. Let us say you pump it all the way up to the top and you have a row of panels right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: pressure will force it through and it gets hotter and hotter, let’s say you have six panels, three by two right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: it goes all the way up, all the way down. Next one, up, all the way down, up, all the way down. All the way down the next one, all the way down the next one, all the way down the next one back into the barrel and it will be heated up by the sun. Now because of the continuous cycle it will get hotter and hotter and hotter.

Russ: that’s if we have it in a space where the sun is shining all the time….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we don’t have that around here. The trees being as they’re so tall…….

Kiri: yeah but that’s why you have……

Russ: most of the area’s in shade.

Kiri: yeah but it would maintain the heat, useful heat for quite a while, especially if it’s insulated. Now you can pump the rainwater in there and you can use it for showering, you can use it for watering the plants and so on but you can put the hot water in there…….

Russ: yeah but the pump is going to be depending on electricity….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: what if you don’t have any?

Kiri: do it by hand crank or by wind or you use solar panel again. Okay I’ve got an experiment for you.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I want you to get a piece of curved plastic or something curved right?

Russ: is it a tube or just curved plastic?

Kiri: half a tube, whatever.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay I want you to line it with aluminum foil.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I want you to find a focusing point. I want you to run down through there a piece of clear plastic or flexible plastic, whatever, tubing, I want you to pump water down through there on a cycle and see how hot it gets.

Russ: okay now the curved plastic, is that like half of a tube or something?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: half of a PVC?

Kiri: and you’re going to find the focusing point on there right? And then we’re going to get you to run water through it, set it up so it’s facing the sun….

Russ: uh-huh, outside temperatures aren't going to make a difference?

Kiri: no.

Russ: windchill will.

Kiri: no it won’t because it’s going to be out of the wind because of the shape.

Russ: if you have freezing temperatures….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but a sun out, okay the water is not going to get very hot.

Kiri: do you want to bet?

Russ: no because you’ll win but……

Kiri: I was about to say do you want to bet a case of wine?

Russ: oh right, no, I’ll pass. Basic economics tells me you’re probably right on this point.

Kiri: uh-huh, basic physics. Now, how can you use that piece of equipment I just described for you?

Russ: in the solar panels.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay…….

Russ: find the focusing point of the solar panels.

Kiri: that’s right. Okay, here’s another thing that you might try to do. Okay, get again aluminum foil in a curve, a dish this time, right? Find the focusing point on that.

Russ: your cooking stove?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: uh-huh, a natural progression.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, next one…….

Russ: what the hell?

Kiri: stop it for a second…….



THE TAPE ENDS