Archivist Notes: This session was named
for Treebeard's dissertation on trees and Devas. Other
items of note is Kiri's discussion on the process
taking place between lives and Omal's comments on the
Atlantis incident from someone who would have had a
first person view of it at the time. He is that old
and mentioned once standing on the Earth prior to
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Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hey, hey.
Skip: how ya doing hon?
Kiri: I can do that if you want. Hello
greetings, I hear footsteps.
Russ: ahh, it's working good.
Kiri: hey, hey, hey kids what's happening?
Russ: hanging tough, how you doing?
great, I'm doing good.
Kiri: uh huh. So okay, we're all here tonight? So everybody say hi.
Kiri: ohhhh, you have a voice.
Laura: amazingly so.
Kiri: okay let me see, okay down to business. Okay, Tia's predictions about Kosovo, spot on as always. She's a smart cookie isn't she?
Russ: uh huh.
Kiri: okay now where were we? We have an agenda tonight as I'm doing the ring mistress, let me go and put my hot pants on and my waistcoat and my whip and my big hat. What's big hats called?
Russ: top hat
Kiri: top hat and I'll do the ring mistress thing. Tia used to wear that outfit so as I've been given the job and the duty and all the stuff.........
Russ: a little small for you isn't it?
Kiri: it looks better being small. What
Russ: oh I just turned the volume up so it
picks up better on the microphone.
Kiri: ahhh. Okay now then, before I
go off and do that and I'm joking, it's a Sirian
joke........okay first of all let's go over a few
interesting little points. As you know and you might
have sensed it Russ, you had a visitation from our
Skip: oh great.
Kiri: yeah she prowled around for a little
while on the astral, she's checked out a few things
and you might want to think about appeasing the devas
as they're still a little upset and irked. Probably do
something like maybe put out some fruit for them where
the holy spot is.
Kiri: maybe light a few candles for them.
Russ: I put a very large crystal out there?
Kiri: uh huh, what else, what else, what else, what else? Ummmmm....reasons that they are upset, my grandmother couldn't put it down to any one thing as their thought processes and she hasn't worked with earth devas in quite a long time so she said it was difficult to understand what they were complaining about and what they were upset about. I don't think it's so much the changes.....the vibrations around the locale. Also she brought up a few interesting points of the fact that the garden definitely needs some work but I'll leave that to Treebeard who talked to her more than I did on that side through our communication system.
Kiri: and what is up with the domestic, short-haired, felix catus?
Russ: she's just hanging around.
Kiri: oh, she seems very affectionate. It's not the big one there. Okay.....
Russ: gossip dear?
Kiri: oh, gossip, gossip, gossip, I'm still working on that for the web page.
Russ: all right, I'm still waiting for it.
Kiri: okay I'll email it to you.
Kiri: you know, the thing about your earth computers and I could really get on a thing here, is that the speed and the processors are just so......we could plug in one of our computers, one of our small, even my portable one, my what you call laptops?
Russ: no, just Leonedies' would be fine.
Kiri: no it Alex's.
Russ: oh it's Alex's?
Kiri: yes it's Alex's laptop. I mean that runs at about 2,000 MHz and that's old.
Russ: that's fine, I can work with old equipment.
Skip: sure we work with ancient equipment darling,
Russ: look at Korton. (In charge of communications for Ashtar Command.)
Kiri: yes, Korton and his collection, we could go off on that. (Skip laughs). Okay, as I'm supposed to be the engineer, okay let's look at the upcoming technologies that are about to be released. You've been following Gateway 2000 I assume?
Russ: I've been following Windows 2000.
Kiri: well Gateway 2000 is a computer company correct?
Russ: well Gateway is. Gateway 2000 might be a new version of their computer line coming out, I don't know.
Kiri: well there have always been Gateway 2000's I think?
Kiri: okay anyway, Gateway. They brought
out a whole new line of computers and they're missing
certain key elements such as, the plug-ins or the
slots are there for them but the hardware that they're
using is generic video hardware. Now as was stated
about a year and a half ago, the meshing of the two
technologies together with the graphic technology, it
is still far superior than standard PC technology
being the technology used by the silicon graphic
workstations, and the Amigas (An early computer brand)
and all those line of graphic animation computers is
about to occur. My projected time is probably
September when they start to release it or maybe early
2000. It's been rumored on your planet and we somehow
mysteriously got a hold of one. A complete operating
system and it is impressive. The animation capability
is very impressive. The tightness and working
capability for example you use megabytes of RAM for
Kiri: is they achieve on half the amount what the standard PC uses. The standard has what four?
Russ: the standard's got usually 16.
Kiri: the standard PC has 16 megs of RAM?
Kiri: okay, these have standard four megs of video RAM with the one we got a hold of.
Russ: oh, video RAM yeah, they usually run around four right so they probably run around two.
Kiri: it was about half and the graphic capability is that we bumped up a standard PC that we have to about 24 and it was just close. So this new technology coming out is much more efficient and much better. Also the software programming is much tighter and there is not the hesitations or hangups that you suffer from with the standard 24 MB of the video RAM.
Russ: now with the computer changes going on, we're understanding that the whole idea of laptops might be outdated soon where you are just using a cell phone as your computer, getting smaller and smarter.
Kiri: yeah, well they have palmtops as well.
Russ: right, actually introducing the whole cell phone technology in conjunction with that.
Kiri: yeah you have them and they're
about.....you can hold them in the palm of your hand
and use a pen to type with.
Kiri: from I've been told a point on the
screen, I haven't actually seen one. I know Mark has
and I think you have?
Kiri: yeah. Okay, do we any more questions on either coercion, computers, engineering and no Skip.......(He likes to ask Kiri how the base's ship's propulsion systems works)
Laura: oh man I got that thought right into my head like a gunshot. I heard that one on both of your ends dears.
Skip: I love to torment her though, I love to torment her.
Kiri: and spirituality. I've been getting more in contact with the religious side of being a Sirian.
Skip: okay one question darlin', you say you have been talking to your grandma.
Skip: all right, has the gentleman that supposed to be my guide come out of training yet? (The guide in question was a soul between lives Kiri and Karra's grandmother identified as as coming to guide Skip in the future.)
Kiri: he's doing part time at the moment.
Kiri: so when you feel that nudge or that thought or that suggestion that pops into your mind, which I think you have from time to time recently right?
Skip: yeah I believe so.
Kiri: yeah that's him guiding but he is still doing training at what would be the word? He would be doing on-the-job training for a few hours a week?
Skip: okay alright that's fine, that's fine. I was just curious okay?
Kiri: from what my grandmother explained to me is that when you're in that state and you're doing the learning necessary to be a guide, part of it is that you spend a lot of times on the spiritual plane talking with other people that are guides, that are about to be guides, that have been guides. They all get together and they learn from each other and and then they look at individual situations and then they go off and do a little bit of work with the person that they are intended to be a guide for. Normally that there's another guide to help them, to guide them, so the guide's being guided.
Laura: sort of a mentor?
Skip: on-the-job training, on-the-job training.
Kiri: so that you know that they normally ease into it gently. In this case it's a little different due to the fact of that you don't have any until now......
Kiri: and the guiding is part of the
process. Now there is another kind of guide which is a
guide from love and they are normally things like
spouses, parents, very close friends and they don't
need the on-the-job training because they know the
person intimately, mentally, sometimes physically and
they do a lot of their own kind of guiding and pushing
in the correct direction or the direction that they
perceive is correct. Now the important thing to
remember is that guides do it from their point of view
and try to analyze what is best for you even though it
is their point of view.
Kiri: so that is something very important
to understand is that when they're pushing you in that
direction, they are guiding you to what they think is
the best goal, not what is actually the best goal but
what they perceive is the best goal for you. So
therefore mistakes do happen, errors do happen and
both parties learn. Part of the process and that is
the learning process for both the guide and the
individual being guided.
Kiri: next question?
Skip: thank you.
Kiri: no more questions?
Russ: I have one.
Russ: it seems like we just got through
with the Renaissance fair down here.....
Russ: celebrating one of Earth's Renaissance periods. It seems to me as if we're actually going through another Renaissance period now with the age of the computers coming in and the worldwide ability to speak to each other as they experienced then, what do you think on that?
Kiri: I'm watching with interest and I'm
not going to make a commitment one way or another at
this time due to the fact that I really don't know
enough about the political and social, economic set
up. I'd have to spend time talking with Tia to come up
with a formulated answer. And I'm batting 100 at the
moment since I've been appointed ring mistress.
Kiri: it is a heavy mantle to wear. I haven't been goofy, I haven't flirted, I haven't hit on anybody.
Skip: you're doing great.
Kiri: hey Skip, you going to come up and maybe we can have some mischief?
Skip: if you teach me how to astral travel, I'll come on up.
Kiri: I'm not an astral traveler.
Skip: I know. (Laughs)
Laura: you're not that kind a girl
Skip: you're not that kind a girl
Kiri: hey I'm a wild girl but I am taken,
Skip: alright, okay darling.
Kiri: okay I'll be back.
Skip: okay love.
(Omal speaks next)
Omal: is there anything you wish to discuss on that?
Russ: mostly she is seeing it from a different point of view than I can get and so her valued observations are good for me. But like you say, she is kind of skirting edges here and there and leaving a lot unsaid so I'm not sure how much can be talked about.
Omal: yes well the impression I got from Kiri is that she thinks that you are smart enough to see them with the clues that she has given. The objectives, the goals, the reasoning and the logic. But the objectives obviously are for the garden and improving the garden and making an environment that is conducive for their happiness and in return, they protect and watch over and look after. Anything that would infringe on, as Kiri put it, their holy spot would be something that would be very detrimental, very harmful, very infuriating.
Russ: well that has been set aside as sacred and nothing goes to that point.
Omal: yes, so it is something that needs to be watched carefully. Making it an isolated area in itself can be a problem. Going out there and sitting in the holy spot and just relaxing but not doing any harm would be the way to go about it as it would not be isolated and closed off, almost as if saying we are avoiding it because it is your spot but interacting with them within the holy spot.
Russ: hmm, I have some ideas on that I could use.
Omail: uh-huh. Okay any more questions?
Russ: well I'll save them for the second side.
Omal: okay, young lady?
Laura: nothing at this point right now, mostly I'm just listening to that which what you have to share.
Omal: oh thank you I am honored. Young man?
Omal: when you are my age you may call others young man.
Skip: sorry about that Omal.
Omal: that is quite okay.
Skip: because everybody is a young man to me.
Laura: except me I hope.
Omal: you are 63 correct?
Skip: 66 young.
Omal: 66. Tack on a few zeros onto the end of your age and you would be close.
Skip: yeah but I'm not in your dimension either.
Omal: true, true. But I am also very invigorated and very relaxed after a dormancy of 43 hours.
Skip: ohhh beautiful.
Russ: nice nap.
Skip: that is a nice nap.
Omal: yes that was a very nice nap and
Russ: yes it was.
Laura: are your hours the same as Earth hours?
Omal: the base hours are 25 hours, it is an hour longer however my hours and the lack of sleep that I get is due to the fact of my metabolism. I sleep approximately once every 50 to a 100 years. That is our years on Hades Base. The cycle is twice the length of yours. It takes where we are 720 days to do a complete cycle around your sun. That is one year for us on the base however they do break them into half years for being in balance with Sirius. So therefore it would be 100 to 200 years between rest times for me.
Laura: that's enlightening.
Omal: thank you. Okay, I will depart and
we will put on the gentleman with the dormancy
(Treebeard comes on and speaks)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Skip: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: I am hearing of a new voice?
Laura: a voice that was there a couple weeks ago but is now healed to the point where you can hear it.
Treebeard: ah, you have fine vocal cords although being of little horse.
Laura: thank you, they're getting better.
Treebeard: that is being of good. Okay,
where are we of talking? Oh yes, of devas and answers
doing of questions.
Treebeard: after much contemplation, a explanation in connection of being devas and awareness of spirituality and focusness of them being in two places of at same time. From contemplation and interaction with the tree lifeforms in on your area of habitation, dwelling on this I have concluded that first necessary being for you for me to be short and to the point which will be difficult as the answer is long so I give abbreviated answer and open option for being of questioning. Now to address first part being question of trees leaving deva for second part of answer. First part being that the awareness ability of little young sprouting trees is of unimportance so pulling and harming them is no more harmful than plucking one of hair from head. But as awareness grows, and size grows, it is necessary to be more in tune with their awareness of time perception. Time perception much like that of deva can be over long time where a person standing by a tree for a moment is no more noticeable then of a molecule in front of face of you. But, house being built next to of great tree is noticeable when house is of age itself. So a house that is being of 10 cycles of your planet is no more noticeable than a speck of dust in the sun. For a moment and a blink it is not along anymore. But a house of great age is noticeable as a person standing before you and talking for great time in your measurement. For example being of 1/24 of your day. So a tree being of awareness depends on length of time however, if harm befall the tree at the hand of a physical moving being, such as mammal, then tree take notice and being aware, learn that those cause harm and therefore becomes as you would be saying of "black at heart" towards that species. However tree also understand that sometimes being of necessary for help in removal of limbs that cause pain, problem, or damage or infested with parasitic life forms that it is unable to control of itself. So therefore to compare a tree's awareness of your species or any species is to compare it to a moat of dust floating in the sunlight for a moment. So therefore being of great age, you would have to be of doing good for a tree to be of noticing you. Most species of tree in your general locale are too young to be fully conscious of the environment and happenings around them. They are no more conscious than a fly is conscious, or a mayfly that is alive for one rotation of your planet being of one day. So it is hard for a tree to comprehend unless of great age. Now awareness starts to afix solidly after about 100 cycles around your planet, tree starts to become more in tune but still of a juvenile level. As the tree becomes of greater age, to about 300 cycles around your solar disk, then awareness firmly fixed so therefore being of total consciousness and aware. Greater the age, greater the wisdom. Different species being of different levels of awareness. Ones of great time being more deeply aware and more open to awareness of surroundings. First part of answer. Answer one question from each before proceeding to second answer concerning deva and interaction thereof.
Russ: you once mentioned the trees on the very tops of the mountains behind my house on the ski slopes there as being of great age. A great age would that be over the 300 year fixed awareness cycle you mentioned?
Treebeard: that is being of correct. Next person speaking question please.
Laura: does age of trees matter so much when mammals or humans like to hug and talk to trees, send love?
Treebeard: more feeling of emotion for brief moment of warmth and happiness as feline rubbing against you.
Laura: but trees like?
Treebeard: last person asking question?
Skip: okay now, from what you're saying, the older a tree gets, the more conscious and awareness it is of what's going on with the environment and what's happening around it.
Treebeard: that is of being of correct.
Skip: okay, now in this area, there's not any trees older than 100 years.
Treebeard: so trees being of baby trees
and awareness being that of a fly floating.....
Treebeard: but starting to grow in awareness.
Skip: I'm sorry, because this whole mountain clear down to Carson City was clear cut at the turn of the century.
Treebeard: I believe there are a few here
and there that are parent trees and varieties that are
too small to being of useful nature.
Treebeard: so there are little pockets as
you would be of saying of trees of great age that are
Skip: okay, right.
Treebeard: I will cover memory trees in a
moment to explain with deva and interaction of deva.
Treebeard: very important. Ok, deva and interaction thereof in connection with being of trees. Devas as most are understanding go under many different forms and auspices. One being of forms of deities to locales being worshiped in a way by people for things that they look after. Being example the tree gods and duties for trees. This is important due to looking at trees at this being of time. Trees and devas, their primary function is to look after of trees as gardeners look after plants but, because of perception of time and explain briefly, time being a concept that devas being not understanding. A moment or one of your seconds may be of such great length of time you would perceive as eternity, a thousand years being to deva but of a second. So time is of different concept, one moment one, one moment the other. Much being done in both instances but, interaction of trees with deva is as protector tending to area by vibrations that would discourage or create feelings of great protection for area. Working in way that is for protection of trees. When big area threatened by as Skip being of mentioning clear cutting, devas congregate in areas and protect small areas so that memory of forest being of kept. Duties for devas at then become negative and hostile in a way that makes area a place where bad things happen. Negative side being of trees pick up on this vibrational feeling and in self become negative and nasty aiding in the protecting of area. Sometimes deva use of different tactic of making area so beautiful that people come to sit and relish in trees and do not touch of trees because it is such a relaxing and soothing area. Both purposes being done by devas for reasons that benefit at the time. Over time, let us say a stand of trees that has reputation for bad will become surrounded by younger trees that are lighter and fairer and the stand becomes old, dark and feeling of forebooding and not welcome but it does not expand out of old grove. In time old growth fade away into memory and is being gone and trees around remember reason why that spot became dark and black to protect and in doing so honor area. In the forests of Europe, there are stands that have meadows that no trees now being of growing that if dig down deep find roots of many great trees. That being example of memory forest. Memory forests are being of very key and important for health of forest overall as keepers of memory. But they being keeping of negative to themselves knowing that job is having been done for the greater good of forest around. On other side, devas that are being of cheerful light and beauty work with trees in way to make area so adorable and admirous that it becomes spot of great light and joy and always have feeling of mystic. All that I have mentioned concerning trees are being done by devas to protect in one way or another. So devas being of guardians for particular groups such as being of mentioning trees. It is important for moment to say that trees and deva trees, that is devas that look after trees is very key to the issue of devas. To understanding of deva then necessary to understanding of tree. One being interchangeable for the other in understanding but not in physical form. After all, deva only being visible when deva wish though to be noticed. But deva of protecting of great trees will work whatever it perceiving of best for area of trees. So devas find necessary to use both to protect. Sometimes groups of devas of different kinds, being example devas of fire, will work with devas of trees to help clear out old, or young, weak or sick being of trees to facilitate maximum growth effect for trees overall. So devas being playing of many parts for understanding and protection of the trees. Also if human being in state of different consciousness can tap into both the awareness of trees and the awareness of devas and feel the hand of devas and trees. How to do so I will save for another time. Does this answer your question satisfactorily Russ?
Russ: yes it does.
Treebeard: it is not as long as I would hope to give but as I stated, one of your recording devices would not be enough for an answer.
Russ: no, this gave me a lot of good
Treebeard: ok, let us discuss what you wish to ask as questions.
Russ: okay, to my understanding then, understanding trees will help you to gain more of an understanding of devas?
Treebeard: yes and being of no. You have to understand both at same time to understand one.
Russ: okay, so gaining an insight into the consciousness of the way the tree works helps you in starting the comprehension of beginning to feel the consciousness of the deva that helps the tree?
Treebeard: that is being closer to truth.
Treebeard: yes to answer a question, very
much being like a druid. A tree-hugging druid I think
word would being of used.
Russ: hmm, Skip?
Skip: I've got kind of a problematic question here I guess. We use....the human race uses trees for building and other products like paper and so on and so forth. Are we destroying the devas and the trees by using these things as we do and growing new ones in their place?
Treebeard: one thing being of devas cannot being destroyed and being of wood used is normally young wood that has not a fixed firmly consciousness. So therefore growing trees to farm them to supply carpentry materials is no more harmful than what devas do to grow trees so that they may aid in growth of forest. So it is not negative.
Skip: in other words we are not destroying our own environment?
Treebeard: no, as long as being of replacing.
Skip: yeah, they replace them now which they didn't use to. People have gotten wiser about harvesting lumber.
Treebeard: yes, so I am of understanding.
Russ: now two locations where I have seen
examples of the good and bad trees, one would be the
good tree location I have been to has been Muir woods
on the coast, pacific coast.
Skip: Muir Woods?
Russ: yeah, the Muir Woods redwoods forest. It is a protected area.....has paths going through it and many tourists go through there. And when you go through there, it's just a religious experience. And then as I was saying, the ones up on top of Heavenly (A ski resort), it's almost as if they're angry at something. Just from what they experience with the wind, and the people chopping them down to make ski runs and things like that, it almost seems like you do not want to go into the trees.
Treebeard: that being example of both, I'm
not familiar with both areas but if image being of
projected then yes, examples being of such.
Skip: well the ones on the coast Treebeard are probably between a 1,000 and 3,000 years old, they're mammoth redwoods okay?
Treebeard: so they being of memory trees?
Skip: yes, very much so. And the ones on top of the mountain here at Heavenly are approximately a 100 years old.
Treebeard: the image being projected by Russ is of little stunted trees. Other trees lower down being of…..keep thinking Russ….of little young trees that have no more memory than being of a hair.
Russ: but they wouldn't have wanted the wood up there at the top, it's just too stunted.
Skip: it is all gnarled and twisted and everything else from the weather.
Russ: yes but there is life there, they are growing but they're old.
Treebeard: by what being projected, they
make trees in coastal grove look like babies.
Russ: so they have lots of awareness to them but after let's say a 1,000 years of harsh winters and snow covering them and getting blasted, no love being shown, how do devas work with trees like that?
Treebeard: they attract like devas that have been used and manipulated and forced to do other people's doing so they become likewise.
Russ: so people can force devas to do something?
Treebeard: it depends on how you define force. Change an environment can be described as forced. Changing for negative will make deva become likewise. Changing to positive with good intent, deva become likewise. It is reflection of energy being transmitted that devas use.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Treebeard: and I apologize for amount of energy being given off.
Russ: no, no problem.
Skip: no that's fine, that's fine Treebeard.
Russ: now a couple notes on my little local area of gardening in my backyard, to appease my devas that hang out there or deva, I'm trying to think of some good ideas that they would work well with as far as helping the growth. And one idea I had was putting out some cinder blocks to portion off some certain parts of the garden where we have little garden areas. And then putting potting soil with little plants inside the holes of them.
Treebeard: no I think not of good idea. Maybe something more of natural.
Russ: like a wood?
Treebeard: that being of good idea. Wood
would be of breaking down and returning nutrient to of
Russ: oh okay.
Skip: how about a rock wall? Natural rock wall….
Treebeard: that would being of working. But cinder block…thank you for projection….is looking like of being made by using chemicals to bind.
Russ: good idea. So an actual slate or something like that to wall it in perhaps.
Skip: because cinder blocks are made with concrete and sand.
Treebeard: young lady, you are being of wanting question?
Laura: listening more.
Treebeard: ahhh…but perceiving question wandering in mind.
Laura: not so much a question, just seeing flow of thoughts that work for good.
Treebeard: ahhh yes, to answer question that not being of spoken, it is sometimes being best to be as you say, watching and listening but also to vocalize suspicions of questions that need to be formulated to answer to make life more understandable and to answer of being self, not self of doubt of perceptions.
Laura: no doubt really, more a question really.
Treebeard: okay, let us proceed and answer of more questions.
Russ: okay, I am needing to work with various plant life to liven up areas and stuff and I'm wondering about the difference between perennials and annuals and which one I should use to do so.
Treebeard: being of depending of amount of work you wish to do. If wishing to be of replanting over and over again in different forms and ways, then annuals being of best way to go. But if being of wishing not to do as much, then perennials that grow depending on speed, size and shape being of best way for that purpose.
Russ: something that takes care of itself hopefully.
Treebeard: then being which would be of better?
Russ: probably the perennial.
Treebeard: that being of answer. For moment I think of giving you answer but think not that it would be best for you to being of thinking questions oneself…answer oneself. Being forgiveness beg, English not of my language.
Russ: no worries.
(Kiri does her ring mistress thing)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: hey, hey. We will have to get him working on his English.
Skip: he's doing fine.
Kiri: uh-huh, sometimes even for us, I wish he would think in Sirian instead of trying to think in English as well as speaking in English.
Russ: well as long as he gets his point across and he does that quite well.
Skip: he doing very well, believe me he is.
Kiri: okay for an old geezer he does very well.
Skip: yes he does, he does real fine.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, anybody got any questions?
Russ: well the young lady stepped out the door and the young man went into the potty so it is just you and I sis.
Kiri: okay let's head off to the trees.
Skip: (laughs) you're a jewel.
Kiri: oh thank you.
Skip: you're a jewel.
Kiri: what do we do with this feline that's being.......this is the one that was misbehaving last time that we had a talk.
Skip: yeah I think so.
Kiri: is she any better?
Skip: oh yes a lot better, a lot better.
Kiri: is she any better?
Laura: she can be naughty, she can be nice.
Kiri: now how does that go? Naughty and
nice, sugar and spice.
Skip: there you go.
Laura: although sugar and spice are not
good for her diet. Joke I make.
Kiri: from what I think that's part of her problem, is a dietary problem.
Skip: could be, could be.
Kiri: we'll let my big sister deal with
that when she comes in. Okay…….I'm going to hop off.
(Coughs). I don't think I should've done that with his
body, scratched up his lungs for a moment there and
made him cough.
Russ: greetings again.
Omal: I said that I would be back, I did not do my impersonation of the gentleman with the muscles.
Russ: it would of worked good though.
Omal: yes it would of been good. Okay let us discuss....we do not answer questions from felines that interrupt. (A cat is being loud) Let us answer questions and deal with points of interest. Okay first of all Treebeard, I think if we had not told him to make the answers short, you'd still be talking or he would still be talking on the first part of the answer.
Skip: yeah probably.
Omal: okay let us ask questions as
obviously Treebeard has worded things very well and
there is nothing that we need to go over. I would be
giving a dissertation at this point but I am in too
much of a high spirit to be focused enough to give a
dissertation. We will save that dissertation for the
webpage for next time.
Omal: okay. Oh, one thing that I did notice is that Treebeard does need to work on his energy flow. It did become a little overpowering for you did it not?
Russ: a little bit.
Skip: he's doing just fine, I loved it.
Omal: ah but he was gentle with his probes. Okay, let us answer questions on a general basis.
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: on a general basis, we have reports coming in recently from NASA and various websites about something called Comet Lee, which apparently was discovered recently by a gentleman named Professor Lee and is supposed to be coming in our close orbit coming up in August and lasting pretty much through the early 2000. But a lot of secrecy is going on behind this where a lot of the data about tracking it has all been put under a nice military security seal that is having trouble getting......
Omal: ahhh, I see where you are going with this, continue.
Russ: anyway, a lot of the things that are in conjunction with that that's coming out though is that around the same time in August there is a planetary alignment coming along that is magnetic and plasmic instead of gravitational between Venus, the moon, earth and I think another planet. And apparently it's thought that it might be caught by either Venus or the moon's gravitational fields and set it up as another moon of ours or something a little worse.
Omal: I can see where you're going very clearly with this. Setting up as another moon would be detrimental. We've been tracking it for some time, you might of heard vague references to astronomical phenomena over the past few channeling sessions. The other option is one that the path looks like it will be close. Now close in astronomical terms is approximately a 1,000,000 miles. I estimate it's going to be close more in the region of 2,000,000 miles, which means that you'll be in for some spectacular sunsets and maybe some interesting meteor strikes. However, the course at the moment due to gravitational fields is a little erratic and a deviation of more than 1% in either direction can throw the calculations off. As it passes closer towards your sun and the magnetic discharges occurring and the gravitational effects occurring, it wobbles in its path. Now it depends in which direction the wobble occurs when it gets closer to your planet, it depends on the outcome. However, Comet Lee is not a new comet as as was the previous one that was Hale-Bopp. Hale-Bopp had only made a few cycles past your planet. This one has made quite a few but not as many as Haley's Comet or any of the other more recent comets that have been by recently. It has an elliptical orbit of I should say approximately a 1,000,000 years. So therefore it has made probably about 20 or 30 orbits which means that is considerably smaller than it once was. However depending on the convergent path depends on the effect that it will have. As comets go, this is a medium-size comet, it is nothing spectacular as was Hale-Bopp that was approximately 25 miles. This is more in the region of about 5 miles. To give you an idea, Haley's Comet is about 2 1/2 miles. Those are medium-size comets. There are comets that you no longer see because have burnt out and they have a cycle of four years, or one that has four years. So therefore comets are in varying sizes from a few hundred yards across to many miles across. The age suggests the size, the smaller the older, the more trips that it has made around your solar system or around your sun. So Comet Lee could present an interesting problem depending on its wobble. Depending on how close it approaches, depends on the meteor strikes that will follow. A meteor strike from a passing comet was responsible for the 1909 Tunguska blast. This is the kind of effect a piece can have. However with the tracking that you have, you will have enough warning to be able to perceive the dangers and the fallout that may occur. However there is nothing that we can do about it and I would not worry about something that you have no control over.
Russ: true. I'll go watch the video "Armageddon" again.
Omal: I'm not familiar with the end of the world.
Russ: comet strikes the earth.
Omal: ah, would that not be a little bit of poetical justice?
Russ: aye, it would.
Skip: another Atlantis?
Omal: okay let us proceed with more
questions, something a little bit more cheery would be
Russ: in that case, you better go Skip.
Skip: okay I have a question about our technology advancing so fast that it doesn't seem like anybody can actually keep up with it.
Skip: and our......let me continue just a
minute before you answer.
Skip: are we kind of pulling away from our spiritual beliefs with our technology and if we are, it sounds like we are doing the same thing that the continent of Atlantis done way back when?
Omal: you have answered your own question
to a certain extent. Yes you are moving ahead in
technology faster than you can keep up. With Atlantis,
yes that was the root cause of the downfall however,
the taking for granted and then the failure, ended up
with the Atlantis incident. And that is something that
you have to watch very carefully, that if you become
too blasé and too conceited that technology could fix
everything, then you will end up with the Atlantis
Russ: I don't think we've discussed the Atlantis incident before though. I'm not quite familiar with the term.
Omal: it is a term that we use up here to
refer to Atlantis going down.
Omal: they were quite capable of monitoring and tracking it, but they got so reliant on their technology that when the technology failed them, they did not realize the seriousness of the situation that they were in. It is called the Atlantis incident or the Atlantis affect.
Russ: so they could have actually prevented their own destruction.
Omal: yes, by moving locations.
Russ: oh, there was no way to stop the event itself?
Omal: no, when you have that amount of magma rising, there is nothing that you can do about it.
Russ: I see. Concerning Atlantis then, I'm interested in a report I read recently about a certain doctor out of I believe it was Oklahoma or something who was scuba diving the Azores I think it is. And he came across a pyramid and while he was looking for his friends, he got off track and ran into this pyramid. He went inside of it and got this crystal that was inside of this pyramid and came away with it and has reported strange events surrounding it ever since.
Omal: okay first of all, he has not entered the main pyramid. Secondly, from what it sounds like, I am having a difficult time believing what I am hearing. The reason being that the Azores would've been right on the edge of where Atlantis was.
Russ: I could be wrong, like I say it's been a little while since I read that, like a couple weeks. I'll have to drag it up again.
Omal: that might be advisable. If Treebeard has not fallen into dormancy I would ask him to come over and probe to get a more up-to-date, or a more memory orientated perception that would aid us. Unfortunately, he is very dormant right now.
Russ: no problem, but yeah it's rather strange that this all happened because it was something that was doing research on the Bimimi wall. I did a whole research on the whole island chain that he got that from and quite interesting.
Omal: in fact, if my recollection is correct, they were islands off the coast of Atlantis.
Omal: no, the Azores.
Russ: okay so that would kind of place it
in the right area.
Skip: more or less yeah.
Russ: yeah about a mile off the shore. But
it's right near....oh, it's right near
the trench. There's a big long trench.
Omal: the Mindanao trench?
Russ: I think so.
Omal: or the Atlantic trench?
Omal: it would be the Atlantic trench. I think the Mindanao trench is off the Pacific.
Russ: that's the Pacific right. Yes this is the Atlantic trench, there is a big long drop off and this is before that drop off. The drop off is about 100 miles away from this island but this guy found it maybe like a mile or two off the island itself so it was right between them.
Omal: ah, I was thinking that if he was
any further out he would be lucky to be alive.
Skip: yes because he'd go too deep?
Russ: I'll do some research for next week though and bring it in.
Omal: please. Okay, you wanted some questions concerning spirituality. Last time we talked you asked the questions concerning where everything was going and you wanted to revisit certain subjects. Unfortunately I do not recall what the subjects were but you said you would have the information for the session.
Russ: it was early civilizations actually.
Omal: ahh okay, we will go into that when
we have more time.
Omal: okay, we are running I believe short on time then. Okay we have I believe about 20 minutes left?
Omail: okay so I will depart and live long, prosper and I'll be back.
Skip: thank you Omal.
Russ: farewell Omal.
Laura: good night.
Skip: good night.
(Kiri takes over the channel)
Kiri: okay, before I put on my big sis, I want reports. Remember last time we talked, I gave you two guys little projects. Pumping the coercive.....you guys didn't didn't do it did you? What's the point.....Laura males...we give them something to do and they don't do it, explain to me why.
Russ: you talking about coercive right? I remember the coercive part.
Laura: they're men.
Kiri: yes, they're lower species.
Russ: now that was uncalled for.
Skip: you're being nasty again.
Kiri: well I gave you guys something to do and you haven't done it.
Skip: done what?
Kiri: practice your coercive capability.
Skip: I don't have any.
Kiri: yes you do, everybody has a limited amount of coercive ability. Depending on how you learn to use it depends on how strong it becomes or if it becomes strong at all. Learning how to control it. Now we deliberately set Russ up to coerce in a way that would get certain objectives and goals that he would decide done but it had to be an outside influence, not in his immediate sphere of influence. Okay Skip, we asked you to coerce young individuals into achieving goals and objectives and getting them motivated.
Russ: sounds like he did that though.
Skip: I done that.
Kiri: okay you pass, Russ.......what about
some of your regular customers? They're outside and
they come in.
Russ: there's no need to coerce them
Kiri: okay, we'll make it a little easier
Russ: oh good.
Kiri: okay we want you to coerce and achieve an objective that you will set up to get a response from someone you will select that is outside of your sphere of influence but is a regular customer. An age limit being over the age of maturity.
Skip: past 21.
Kiri: well that is for you to decide.
Russ: 18. Okay, what kind response?
Kiri: okay, a positive reaction that they will do something for you that you will decide and write it down what you decide. And I'll give you two weeks in which to do that.
Russ: how about buy a 10 hour block? (from an internet cafe where I worked at the time) That's pretty tough.
Kiri: okay somebody that doesn't normally
Kiri: okay, buy two 10 hour blocks.
Russ: no, I can only get them to buy one at a time.
Russ: nobody needs two at a time, let's make it slightly easy.
Kiri: from what Karra is saying, there are a few people that could do with two at a time.
Russ: they could, but but they won't buy more than one it time.
Kiri: okay, alright talking of Karra, I better put the old battle ax on.
Russ: just because she is older than Skip, doesn't make her an old battle ax.
Kiri: Omal's older than Skip.
Russ: Omal is older than anybody we know.
Russ: hello love
Karra: hello young lady.
Skip: how ya doing sweetheart?
Karra: I'm doing good. Yes, youth is wasted on the young.
Skip: boy isn't that the truth?
Karra: uh humm, you take Russ there.
Russ: excuse me.
Skip: your turn in the barrel Russ.
Russ: I guess here....God.
Karra: well it's old fogey's night tonight and as I'm only 84 right now, no I am, what's it in your counting? 86 now.
Russ: well it makes me third oldest in here.
Laura: no comment. (Everyone laughs again)
Karra: okay, let us talk dietary supplements as Kiri brought that up for the domestic, feline, shorthaired, feces producing machine. Okay....
Russ: what's wrong with Bobkin? (One of
the house cats)
Russ: what's wrong with Bobkin?
Karra: she's got a delicate, tricky stomach. If you remember what happened last time.
Russ: oh yeah right. I thought it was just marking territory.
Karra: I don't think so, I don't think so. I think she......Laura can you help with this please?
Laura: how would you say, uhmmm... She has a gastro intestinal imbalance which causes sometimes uncontrollable eruptions of the bowel.
Karra: I got asked by Tia about this
because Mark's getting frustrated by it. And I thought
if I came to a channeling session with this and
brought it up with you Russ, you could put your heads
together and come up with something that would help.
Karra: now, first of all does her mother suffer from the same problem?
Russ: she's got worms right now, we gave
her some worm medicine yesterday.
Russ: and so does the little orange and white one who we gave away and got back again because it's got worms also. So we de-wormed them both yesterday, we got to keep up a regimen on that so maybe Bobkin got nailed by the same little bugger before she left.
Karra: that's possible.
Russ: could be.
Karra: okay we've got one, two, three, four healers here. I'm sure that we can put our heads together and come up with something that would help. Okay, first of all, this is a little bit of a trick. We're going to put garlic in her diet.
Russ: you pick that up from me?
Russ: ahh, just checking.
Karra: okay what we're going to do is use
powdered garlic once a week in a small portion of wet
Karra: and that will A, help with any parasitic infection, B, it will stabilize her stomach and C, what it will do is it will purify her blood and help her immune system.
Russ: D, it will give her bad breath.
Skip: why couldn't you use garlic oil hon?
Karra: garlic oil would work but I'm thinking that the powder might be easier for her to ingest. Okay, part two is we want to get calcium into her but not milk calcium. If you can get it in the powdered form you could probably do half a container of the wet food one day and then half a container the following day with the necessary calcium input.
Skip: okay calcium can be bought in the powdered form at the health food store.
Karra: good. Or you could mix them together and give her a whole entire tin. Probably two spoonfuls of each.
Russ: how about tuna? Would that be good for her?
Laura: how about just plain old fashioned acidophilus to balance the enzymes.
Karra: yes that would work. Okay, I've got an interesting idea, this is what we're going to do. We're going to give her Penny Royal mint, we're going to give her calcium, we're going to give her yogurt and active yogurt and garlic. I thought I would use common name to make things easier, instead of Russ having to get out his dictionary and his spelling books.
Russ: I have drank acidophilus before.
Russ: you know it. That was fruit flavored and I don't think Bobkin would like the fruit flavored acidophilus.
Karra: anyway, so that's what we're going
to do for Bobkin....okay, anymore suggestions?
Russ: no, that's good.
Skip: no, I think you about got it covered.
Karra: okay, now moving along, ambassador duty time. Okay, we have coming up here visitations from Monka and also an official announcement that Ashtar will be on the base towards the middle of July. Oh joy. Also we are having a presidential visit from the current head of the Senate from Sirius who is coming by again in the middle of August.
Russ: your dad and Gonzo are coming by.
Karra: we are having the president.
Karra: this is not a family visit.
Karra: this is an official visit.
Russ: oh bummer.
Karra: I know. So the second week of July
I will be unavailable for channeling, the third week
we will have the session and we will have formal
visitations of President Tanaka, Ashtar and Monka.
Karra: so we will have the official
Karra: okay official news coming from
Sirius at this time is that they will be a hosting a
conference to select a delegate for the upcoming
conferences to do with the unifying peace between the
various races involved in observing and communicating
with your planet and interacting with your planet.
Skip: oh boy.
Karra: so that is part of the reason why we're getting the official visits.
Skip: when's this selection of this person supposed to be?
Karra: well what the Council will do is we have the president coming to visit us, he will analyze the situation and then return back and they will discuss and start selecting an individual that will be suitable for the environment. So you may be asked a whole load of questions.
Russ: I know one, The Monk. (One of the rarer guest speakers to channel)
Skip: that's going to be a rough situation.
Karra: I don't think The Monk is ideally
Russ: oh, he's familiar with our
Karra: yes but he is still doing his beach
Russ: oh, it was a thought.
Skip: yeah, that's going to be a tough one, that's going to be a tough one.
Russ: it's a Sirian resident then?
Karra: it will be a Sirian resident, he will be our representative.
Skip: now are we going to have a representative from our planet in our dimension or....?
Karra: hopefully yes but that's something we're not going to deal with just yet.
Skip: okay, all right okay. Because that's going to be tough.
Karra: okay, any questions?
Laura: I don't have any.
Karra: are you sure?
Laura: yes I'm sure.
Karra: we could talk about girl stuff and kick these guys out.
Laura: oh we don't have time for that
tonight I don't think.
Laura: but that's all right for now.
Karra: hmm, your blood pressure is up isn't it?
Laura: no actually it is quite low.
Karra: it's up for you.
Laura: just having difficulties with the breathing again this evening.
Karra: ahhh, okay. I noticed that you were increasing the humidity in the air, that might be a good idea. Probably something to suck on that will help soothe the larynx and the vocal cords.
Laura: I have some frozen juice bars, I think I'll have one shortly but I don't want to interrupt.
Karra: oh no, no, no, not to all, not at
Russ: no problem.
Karra: slurp away to your heart's content. Okay, any healing questions?
Russ: yeah I've got one.
Russ: due to the fact that everything seems to be going well with me health wise, what aspect of that are you able to help me with or been helping me with?
Karra: telling you when to eat, when to eat fresh fruit.
Russ: good call.
Karra: telling you when to call it a night.
Russ: ahhh, another good call.Skip: you're a healer right?
Karra: uh hmm..
Skip: okay, I got a question.
Karra: uh-huh......I was the last time I looked, even though on my desk it says ambassador.
Skip: now you don't have to go into and
oratory with me doggone it. (laughs) I want to know if
I have a distance limit on my healing capabilities?
Karra: distance limit, I'm not sure I know what you mean. Oh the range to.....
Skip: yes, now you understand. It just donned on you what I was saying.
Karra: yes and you can send energy but it's general energy.
Skip: any distance?
Karra: any distance and you can......
Skip: do I have to have a means of communication to send this?
Karra: not necessarily, just a picture of the person and the general location that they're at. The other thing is that by talking you can heal, by writing on your computers you can heal by saying soothing things and relaxing things, making suggestions, making them laugh, all sorts of techniques.
Skip: well the reason why I was asking that is because I'm talking to a lady of a distance of probably about what? 600 miles, to Redding?
Karra: don't know where it is.
Russ: coast, northern coast.
Skip: Northern California.
Russ: South of Medford.
Skip: her and I have been corresponding, she's reduced her medication by half.
Karra: oh that's good.
Skip: all of it.
Karra: yeah okay now the energy, you can send general energy but healing energy is much more effective if you're up close and personal. This kind of range is ideal, even closer is even better (meaning the space between her in Mark's body and Skip). Hands-on touching is by far the best.
Skip: that is how I usually do it.
Karra: yeah but distance you can send
healing energy or quote, unquote, healing energy, it
is just energy. What they do with it is what happens,
that's the healing part. If they wish it to invigorate
themselves and energize themselves without using it
for healing, then that is what it's used for.
Skip: it's like we discussed before, all I am is the jump starter.
Karra: yeah, you're the jump starter. By sending the healing energy and talking in a healing way and them receiving the energy, they can use it as healing. But if you just send the energy they use it for whatever they want to use it for. It's like giving somebody $20 and just giving it to them or giving them $20 and saying go and buy food.
Skip: get something to eat yeah.
Karra: yeah, go and buy a piece of salmon with this $20, spend as much as you can. See you're getting specific at that point. And then the other option is that you take them to the store, you give them the $20, you point to the piece of salmon that you want and you tell them pick it up, pay for it and I'll meet you in the car. That's like being hands-on in person.
Skip: okay I was just wondering about it because I have been doing that, sending her energy.
Karra: yeah so if you instruct her or whist your sending her the energy, you are talking in a healing capacity and you are sending the energy and she is receiving it. Then she can start to use it for healing.
Skip: okay, all right darling, that's what I wanted to find out because it is happening.
Karra: good, good, good. Yes and as I was saying, even though on my desk it says ambassador, I am a healer at heart. That sounds good. (Reacting to a sound coming from Laura).
Laura: it was refreshing.
Karra: uh huh. Ah, the ice that refreshes.
Skip: thank you darling.
Karra: no problem. Okay, more questions?
Laura: none this evening.
Russ: I've got one for Laura.
Russ: I've got one for Laura. No, from her to you. How's her baby looking?
Karra: we're looking on the monitor.
Russ: your little one.
Laura: I didn't hear what you said.
Karra: we have a ability to monitor and detect all sorts of interesting things on the monitors up here. He's looking good, he's looking healthy........everything's looking good.
Laura: I'm glad, I feel it, I sense that.
Karra: I'm not going to go into detail.
Laura: he has an attitude, which is good.
Karra: he does? He seems pretty docile right now.
Karra: he seems fairly docile right now although the occasional foot flutter is going. Actually it's more of a hand.
Laura: he's a good boy, but he will definitely have a very strong-will and be fair, just but.....
Karra: I think strong-willed is very evident from you.
Laura: I hope he gets it from me, it wouldn't come from anyone else.
Karra: what I think is that a lot of what you perceive is his foot kicking is sometimes his hand, it depends on the location. The higher up it feels, tends to be more of a hand.
Laura: oh I think he's just having a blast right now while there's still room.
Karra: uh-huh, yeah I think he's going to
be a strong swimmer.
Skip: can we get you to swallow a ball so
he's got something to play with?
Laura: he plays with my kidneys and my bladder enough as it is right now.
Karra: yes I get the image of, an image that pops into my mind is him with drumsticks playing drums on bladders and kidneys and anything else he can get within range of.
Laura: very likely, I've noticed he's rhythmic in his activities.
Karra: uh huh. You'll find that by your body clock and everything and the adjustment that is going on that is preparing you for when he's waking up at 2 o'clock in the morning. Actually what you might want to do is keep a journal of times that he wakes you up, when you need to go to the bathroom, when your back hurts and when he's born.......
Laura: when he's bored?
Karra: when he's born.
Laura: oh when he's born, yes.
Karra: yes, keep a similar journal and then compare the two. You'll see a very interesting similarity in schedules.
Laura: oh that wouldn't surprise me at all, that makes sense. Do you have any opinion about what I should do about his father's apparent dual personality?
Karra: I'm not aware of the situation so it would be unfair for me to speculate.
Laura: well let me analyze and I will apprise you next week.
Karra: okay, okay and what we may do is send the gentleman off to indulge in nicotine and beverages.
Laura: yes that would be a good idea.
Karra: and we will also switch off the recording device which I believe is getting close to ending.
Russ: I'll bring the beer.
Russ: I'll bring the beer.
Skip: no....shut it off?
Russ: no, no, no. I was saying I would bring the beer next week. You smoke, I'll drink, they talk.
Karra: okay anyway, I will depart now and we'll let Kiri monster wrap things up as she is basically throwing items of clothing at people.
Karra: not just her clothing. Okay I'll catch you guys later.
Russ: farewell love.
Laura: good night.
Skip: goodnight, thank you darling.
Russ: got any more to throw?
Kiri: yeah, I've got my underwear.
Skip: what you throwing?
Kiri: well I threw my skirt.....the technician told me that I was a under-stuffed beanpole.
Laura: did you throw something at him?
Kiri: ahhh her.
Kiri: yes, well actually I tripped over her. She had her feet stuck out monitoring things and I tripped over her feet so she called me an under-staffed beanpole so I threw my skirt at her which made Omal chuckle so I threw my T-shirt at him.
Skip: have you got anything left on darling?
Kiri: yes, I'm in my underwear.
Russ: well at least you're behaving.
Kiri: hey, at least I don't have a feather out.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: but as it just so happens I know where the feather's stashed.
Russ: that's all right I know where the rollerblades are stashed. (Taken away from her after an incident while wearing them)
Kiri: I do too. They're not where you think they are, they're not where Karra thinks they are.
Russ: well they will be.
Skip: (everyone laughs.)
Kiri: she's got to have the key to open up a little storage device I have. (A fifth dimension space where it is bigger on the inside than on the outside) It's only about yeah big. I've got about 40 cases of wine in there, I've got eight bolts of fabric, I've got three bolts of silk, I've got in suspended storage I have 24 flowers (See glossary) and the harvest was fantastic, very short but fantastic.
Russ: excellent. So what's the 40 cases of wine, small change?
Kiri: yes, small change. Talking of flowers, I was selling them for five cases each.
Russ: that's all?
Kiri: that's per flower.
Russ: yeah I know, that's all?
Kiri: that's all?
Russ: that's all? They're the pink ones. I thought they went for more than that usually for a good harvest?
Kiri: for a good harvest you can pick up probably for 24 cases, a dozen. That's depending on.......but five cases for one.
Laura: have you no chocolate there?
Kiri: yes we have chocolate. Tia can't eat it because it makes her batty and it's a little sharp for me.
Russ: kids like it though.
Kiri: uh huh.
Russ: cool, so how are Alex and Leonedies doing?
Kiri: they're doing good, real good. Leonedies, his teaching programs are causing problems for some of the other students in the other crèches. They're a little too high-reaching for them. And then there were a few that were absolute disasters but hell, he's young.
Russ: that's true.
Kiri: he's only three. Alex has turned into a full on prankster. Which is good but I can't tell him that.
Russ: of course.
Kiri: it's better than he was. Alex for your information, he's my eldest son. He had a interesting dysfunction that he had permanently blinding headaches. First of all he thought that they were normal, everybody had headaches because he didn't know any better. And he would be, you tell him to stay put and he would stay put. You tell him to do something, he was ultra, ultra good. Very obedient, extremely obedient and that was because of his headaches, now that we fixed his headache problems.........I've got the headaches.
Skip: (laughs) knew that was coming.
Kiri: for example, bedroom doors being nailed shut.
Laura: that's not very nice.
Kiri: well, Tia's children decided that they were going to make off with a couple of his toys in fun. So, whilst they were hiding his favorite toy, he went and nailed their door shut so that they couldn't get into their room.
Laura: that's creative.
Kiri: very creative. I thought it was very
talented but I had to do the......"Alex, come here, go
and remove the nails and then come back and explain
why". That's my I'm upset tone and trying to suppress
Laura: but not entirely.
Kiri: no, it's very hard. Better check your recording device. Okay let's answer questions, anybody got any questions, child rearing, pranks?
Skip: yeah, how do you build a warp engine?
Kiri: if I could throw my bra at you from here I would.
Skip:(laughs) I don't need it darling, I'm not built that well. I had to tease you a little.
Kiri: I should have seen that one coming. Okay I'm not talking to you anymore, Russ?
Russ: any viruses down here we
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