(Tia gets the night
started with a special dissertation)
Tia: September 1997.
Russ: 9:07 PM.
Tia: 9:07 PM. Okay, keep an eye on the
chronometer. Okay, let’s get down to
business as we do not know how long this
tape is, my guesstimate is
probably 30 minutes per side.
Russ: good guess.
Tia: uh-huh okay, let’s act accordingly
and let me give a brief dissertation on
moral behavioral patterns of raising of
offspring and the importance to instill
at an early age particular patterns that
will be formed throughout the child’s
life. But I will preface by saying that
I feel that a positive enforced morals
are a good thing for the upbringing of a
child. The importance of morals will be
made self-evident as I proceed in my
eloquent communiqué. Morals and
offspring. The importance of morals in
the development at an early age even
from the stage of infancy is very
Simple vocal commands as no, don’t,
naughty, wrong are used at an early age
to correct a child’s behavior. If it is
said in such a way, it is forced into
the child that the word no said in that
particular way will have a positive
response command from the child that the
child will stop doing what is wrong. Now
as a child grows, those morals that are
instilled, do not lie, do not disobey
your parents unless it is a wrong
decision, do not cheat, do not steal, do
not hurt. These morals are all important
because with these simple five morals,
do not lie, do not go against your
parents, do not cheat, do not steal, do
not hurt, they’re all very functional in
forming a good individual.
Let’s look at the first of all do not
lie. Well this is a difficult one and
the reason why it’s number one is that
it needs some clarification. Sometimes
it is necessary to bend the truth to
individual and this should be enforced
as do not lie to a child at an early
age. The child later on will figure out
that there are certain times when it is
appropriate to bend the truth, to lie in
these situations that a child will come
across will be developed through
experience. Do not go against your
parents unless what they tell you to do
is wrong. Parents are very important to
a child and by enforcing do not go
against your parents, you can set it in
the rest of the morals. Do not cheat. Cheating
is bad because you do not achieve your
full potential if you cheat. If you can
get away with something, let us say
cheating on a test, copying from a
friend, you are not learning, you are
not advancing and you are not doing
things on your own. Certain individuals
in your history on
your planet have succeeded wonderfully
by disobeying do not cheat but in later
light, looking at them, you can see that
they were not very good people and they
had massive other problems. Do not steal, this is
self-explanatory because it will cause
animosity and problems if you steal. Do
not hurt, if you hurt
somebody they’ll hurt you back and this
leads to all sorts of problems. Okay
here endth my brief dissertation on
moral behaviors of raising of offspring.
Russ: ahh yes, I
assume these are the same morals that
you grew up with?
Russ: ahh, and they’ve served you well
ever since I take it?
Tia: I would assume so, I’ve added many
Russ: hmm, okay. Now do you see any
difference between other people who have
been raised in the sixth dimension as
opposed to your being raised in the
third as far as these morals go?
Tia: these five that I selected, there
are more, seem to be a standard that all
beings of a third and sixth dimensions appear to have.
They are the basic ones, the ones that
have been instilled in my Cubs, in the
Cubs in the crèche and other crèches.
Russ: okay. Now what happens
though when a child sees his parents
doing the exact opposite?
Tia: the parents should not.
Russ: I agree with that but that’s not
always a factor that enters into it.
Tia: yes it is, it is very important to
understand that when a child is around,
you have to behave with those five
Tia: if you have to hurt
somebody with your child present, you
explain to your child why you did that.
Russ: okay what about for example with
oh let’s take a little thing like Santa
Russ: I was lied about Santa Claus for
some 10 years….
Russ: and never thought the worst of it
after I learned differently but yet I
did learn that well it is okay to lie.
Tia: that’s not a lie, that’s a
fairytale, big difference. It is a
make-believe character for children.
Russ: but I would be told, “that’s not
the truth, there is no such thing as Santa Claus”
and I asked my mom she says, “of course
Tia: and if you ask your mother, there
is Santa Claus, St. Nicholas as far as I
know really did exist, there was a Santa
Claus and in your religion does a person
when they become a saint or go to the
period of waiting or heaven for want of
a better name, do they cease to exist? I
don’t think so. So therefore Santa Claus
does still exist and in the mass
consciousness of the mind, the group
conscious, he does exist.
Russ: oh, well I just
bring it up to bring up a
Russ: that sometimes the truth is not
always as beneficial as would be a fib.
Tia: well that goes into distorting or
changing the truth.
Russ: right. So you have to explain to
your child why you did so I assume?
Tia: that goes into later on in life.
Tia: my girls do not believe in any
Santa Claus, St. Nicholas or Father
Russ: but now do you lie to your Cubs?
Tia: if I have something……if they ask me
a question and I cannot answer it
without lying, I do not answer. I will say, “we
will address that at a later time.”
Russ: hmm, okay good, well that’s a good
Tia: nowadays I can get away with it
with just a look.
Russ: all right.
Tia: or if it is something that I am not
equipped to answer without lying and I
know either Kiri or Mark is, I will say,
“go and ask Kiri or go and ask Mark.”
Russ: hmm, I guess the real
problem will come in when you get to
Tia: yes Leonedies, next
question as we are limited on time.
Russ: okay, oh that’s it.
(Omal comes to give a
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, as we are limited on time,
let us get down to business as quickly
Omal: okay Tia’s dissertation and
answers, there is very little to change
there except for
maybe a little bit of wording on the
explanation of lying concerning Santa
Claus, St. Nicholas and Father
Christmas. Tia is not aware that St.
Nicholas and Santa Claus are the same
person, well yes she is. However, Father
Christmas is a totally different person.
Omal: they are two distinct different
individuals that serve the same
function. Father Christmas is a British
deity that has been changed for the
Christmas holiday. He is a Celtic
Russ: very succinct, thank you.
Omal: or was. That needs to be
Omal: but he does serve the same
function as St. Nicholas and Santa
are other deities that serve the same
sort of function. There is a deity that
does the same sort of function at
Diwali, a Hindu festival.
Omal: so the giving of gifts is
something that is through most major
religions and they have a deity or an
individual that is responsible for
giving of those gifts.
Omal: okay, now let us move along to my
dissertation and dealing and addressing
evolutionary history and the
consciousness of the development of the
mind in relationship to the evolutionary
history of a race. Now this could apply
to any race anywhere that goes through
the same set of circumstances. You have
a race that comes in exile with other
races that are genetically similar yet
different enough to have a variation.
They arrive on a world, they become
isolated after a time. Up until the
isolation, there is little difference
between them and other spacefaring
races. Now the question that should be
asked and addressed is why would a group
of individuals wish to come to another
planet? Well there are many possible
avenues to explore in this explanation.
They come for freedom of speech, freedom
of expression, for a new chance as
persons. These are just four examples of
possible reasons why individuals would
move to a new location. A fresh start,
that is number five. Up until the point
of isolation, there is very little
difference as I have stated between them
and the evolution that is going on on
other sister worlds or sister continents
or countries or areas. Now, once the
isolation sets in,
variations start to occur from the
sister worlds. First of all, linguistics
changes because there is no longer
contact with the group that is connected
with externally but the evolution that
happens in the language is a key to a
specific nature of the world.
Environment plays tremendously in the
development of linguistics. For example,
the British famous trait about talking
about the weather. Well they have a country that is a
very, varied variety of weather. From
rain, cold, snow, hot, windy, foggy,
cloudy, humid, all of these things very
vary and in a small area as well. So the
topic of discussion normally is
interacted with the environmental
factors. We will address environmental
factors in the
changing in linguistics later on. We are
at present setting up for future
discussion. Now, the second occurrence
in the isolation is moral behavior which
again is created by the climate of the
area. On a world where it is cold and
only a few warm days,
it becomes necessary to wear clothing
and when you move to a world where it is
hotter, until the isolation occurs,
clothing is part of the system. It
becomes a taboo after a while not to be
clothed. When the isolation comes and
there are no longer visitors, then it
becomes a little lax and clothing
becomes optional. Again we will address
this at a later time. What, no laugh?
Russ: not yet, I’m taking it all in.
Omal: ahh, you miss the humor in that.
When we were
talking about clothing optional and will
address this later. Three is interaction
with ethnic and racial different groups.
external source is taken away, interaction is
forced into groups that had a
self-inflicted apartheid. They interact, they
start to grow together and blend and
meld, so in
doing so they change. This third event
affects the previous two also. Four and
finally for the topic of discussion at a
later date, survival and necessity and
wealth within a community. When I talk
about wealth, I’m not referring to
fiscal wealth, I’m talking about
spiritual wealth and knowledge. Because
external sources are taken away, the
learning process from external sources
is no longer there so they have to
search internally for the advancement
and education and progression that is necessary
for a humanoid species. Okay, any
Russ: yeah, these
folks who are actually visiting,
searching for one or many different
reasons to do so, it sounds similar to
our pilgrims that we're so used to in
our early American history who came here
looking for freedoms.
Russ: so in many ways you could compare
the two groups.
Omal: yes you could but let us address
Omal: that is an inaccurate description.
Pilgrims suggest going to a religious
Omal: so to say your early pilgrims,
your early people searching for a
religious site, that is inaccurate,
that needs to be addressed, changed and
Russ: more like settlers?
Omal: correct, founding fathers,
founding parents, early settlers, these
are all correct as opposed to pilgrims.
Russ: well it’s just history we’re
quoting or I’m quoting.
Omal: history is inaccurate in using
Russ: I agree. Okay now how close is the genetic
match between the visitors and the
indigenous people that they’re coming
across that we're speaking of?
Omal: the indigenous people are
Russ: then who are the visitors?
Omal: the visitors are people that come
to the area from sister worlds, they are
the same race in essence, just from
Omal: for example, the Sirians coming to
earth to form Atlantis
and Lemuria, they are the same.
Omal: so therefore there is no
Russ: but what about later? Let’s say in
the time of our early settlers…..
Russ: we don’t have a clear history of
those visitations taking place then or
if we do, they're well
Omal: explain your early settlers, I’m
not quite sure what you mean, are you referring
to on your current continent or on your planet?
Russ: on our current continent. Visitors
from sister worlds I think would be the
most appropriate term.
Omal: correct. There are references,
they are described as angels, demons and
Omal: bright entities.
Russ: okay, so we might if through a
little research be able to find possible
clues to their arrival here.
Russ: and what they might’ve left
Russ: hmm, excellent.
Omal: if you look in your religious
texts, visions that lots of people saw,
it is possible that those are
Russ: hmm, okay and I’m sure that
because the early settlers here on our
continent were getting to know our
indigenous species that was here…
Russ: the American Indians or Native
Americans, then it was only a very minor
part of our continent was being settled.
Russ: it’s more likely that the Native
Americans who took up eighty more
percent of our continent at the time
would have had more contact with those
Russ: visitors from sister worlds.
Russ: ahhh, and
can find probably many references if we
delve even further?
Omal: okay, last question.
Russ: all right, has the mission of the
visitors from the sister worlds to the
visitors who we now come across changed
Omal: yes, it is more scientific because
it is an inhabited planet. When the
Sirians first came, it was a very
sparsely inhabited world with humanoid-type beings that
were in a primitive state and primitive,
I’m talking about Neanderthal,
pre-Neanderthal. So that it was already
ongoing. When Atlantis occurred, there
were little pockets here and there of a
few hundred individuals in various
locations that were survivors from
Lemuria. So, by looking at this at a
sparsely populated world, there is ample
room for habitation of an external group
Russ: I see.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: you’re welcome. Live long, prosper
and, I will be back.
(Tia returns to hand
off to Karra)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn.)
Russ: hi Tia, comfortable?
Tia: okay, interesting conversation.
(Karra joins the session with
a goal in
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: how’s it going? We’re getting
close to turning over the tape Tia says.
Russ: we got five more minutes.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, with these five minutes,
let us look at…..no we can’t discuss
that at this time because it’s not……..it
would be too time-consuming.
Karra: okay now let’s look at something
of interest and topics that we have
covered in previous channeling sessions
and that is the rules of cleanliness,
using speech therapy to heal a
psychological problem and quantum
healing. Okay now let’s put all of these
together in a single explanation. Okay,
cleanliness is very important and it
Russ: a awareness of the fact that you
need to be clean.
Karra: that's the
first step but I am talking about what
do you need?
Russ: as in knowledge?
Karra: no. Remember a while back we went
over, you need clean…….
Karra: uh-huh and?
Russ: clean mind.
Karra: clean hands.
Karra: clean mind.
Russ: clean environment to work in.
Russ: clean tools.
Russ: and clean outer garments.
Karra: correct. Now, all of these things
give you an air of authority in the fact
that you are clean coupled with the
self-confidence in yourself of being
able to do what you have set yourself to
do. Now if you are nice and clean
working in a clean environment and you
have a patient that has a psychological
problem, you immediately give yourself
the air that you can help just by being
clean in a clean environment with a
clean mind with clean tools and clean
fingers and clean fingernails. All of
these things tell a lot about somebody.
When dealing with a psychological
problem, they will give you more of an
opening because the person will look at
you and see that you’re clean, you are
healthy, you can help them. So when you
are addressing their mental problems
with your clean fingernails and your
clean fingers and your clean mind and
your clean clothing and your clean
environment and your clean tools, you
have immediately started to heal them on
the quantum level. On an microscopic
level you have affected in how their mind
starts to react and in doing so, you have put them
on the road to recovery, you have given
them a glimpse of where they can go. Now
what happens from there
is very important in how you proceed.
Before I deal with any patient that is
conscious, I talk to them, I tell them where
I want to go, what I'm planning to do,
how I’m planning to help them and how
they should be when we are finished.
This is important because again on a
quantum level you are setting in place
goals, objectives and expectations, all
very important. And if the individual
knows what the goals and expectations
are, then you can start the healing. And in doing so,
you have to install another factor,
that they can be healed because if an
individual does not believe that they
can be healed, then it is a lot of hard
work that you have ahead of you so they
have to believe that you can heal them.
If they are used to a ritualized
experience and ritual is important in
every medical procedure, you’d be surprised,
even today. You don’t believe me that
even today ritual is used in your
Russ: I do.
Karra: okay, tell me how you think
ritual is used.
Russ: well for example, whenever I go to
an emergency room…
Russ: first thing I do is I have to fill
out the papers.
Russ: and then I get admitted to a
Russ: and a guaranteed a minimum of a
half hour will be spent in that waiting
room before the doctor finally gets in
to see me or a nurse takes my
temperature or do some preliminary work
before the doctor gets there......
unless I was an emergency and on my deathbed.
Karra: correct, even then there is a
Russ: right but guaranteed there is a
set routine that they will go through
before you even get treated.
Karra: so as a healer, what must you do?
Russ: adhere to a similar sort of
procedure as far as preparation.
Karra: correct but the waiting in itself
has an important key and I really
shouldn't leak like a sieve when I’m
doing a dissertation, takes all the fun
out of it. But, you have to modify for
the environment that you are in. Let us
say you are dealing with a Native
Karra: you have to be knowledgeable on their religious
practices and their healing practices
and how you plan to help. If you’re
dealing with a white American male, you
have to know how they believe that they
can be healed. And belief is very, very
important. Without belief, belief in
yourself, they believing that you can
heal them, there is not that much that
you can do because without belief the
body does not cooperate. When you go to
a doctor to be healed, you believe that
he can heal you
and in doing so you are on the first
road to recovery and
when you are doing the healing you have
to give that air
of confidence with your….
Karra: now, why are we pounding this
Russ: because it makes it more of a
habit to fall into.
Karra: correct. Okay now, you have your
patient and you’ve gone through the
preliminaries. You have talked to them,
you have found out what they think is
wrong with them, you have taken their
pulse, taken their heartbeat, checked
their temperature, you have started the
healing process. If you just walk in and
sit down and say, “okay, I’m going to
heal you using this knife, this
pharmaceutical and these pieces of
they’re going to look
at you and go, “are you a doctor? Do you
know what you’re doing?” But if you come
in sit down and talk to them and go
through the ritual, they know that you
are a doctor, that you are able to help
them. Let us scratch the word doctor and
say healer because doctor in your
Russ: very male term.
Karra: partly, it is also to do with
official documentation. So, we have the
setup, we have our….
Russ: clean hands, clean fingernails,
clean clothes, clean environment, clean
tools and clean mind.
Karra: correct but we always start with
clean fingernails because they're the very tips.
Karra: so, we've got our patient and the
patient is ready, we’ve gone through the
rituals. We’ve gone through
taking their pulse, taking their
their heartbeat and talking to them and
finding out what led up to the illness,
what happened before the accident, what
happened before they felt the way that
they do. We have deduced that it is fill
in the blanks ailment. Now, we have to
act in a way that gives them confidence
that we can heal them. This confidence
is part of the belief process. Whether
they believe in some higher deity, the
healer, or something else, you have to
interact in that way. If they believe in
some deity, then you have to interact
within the expected rules. If you're acting as a
healer, you have to act within the
prescribed patterns that a healer
interacts in or the same as in others.
Now that we have the setup, we have
deduced that the patient suffers from
fill in the blanks ailment, we have got
their confidence, they believe that we
can heal them, where do we go now? We
start the healing process.
Karra: and in doing so we have to again
interact in the way that they think that
the healer does. Whether it is a witch
doctor, medical physician or other........psychic
healer, whatever, you have to behave in
those patterns. Any questions?
Russ: now that you’ve got all that, part
of the ritual that you have to go
through is actually helping the patient
feel more at ease because you’re
actually making the patient heal himself
or your helping heal himself.
Karra: yes, we did cover that.
Russ: right, so wouldn’t some of the
ritual you’re going through make the
patient actually more
Karra: yes, yes it does but as long as
the belief is there, then the healing
Karra: sometimes by a person being
nervous, heart rate goes up, blood
pressure goes up, etc., adrenaline is
released, that in actual fact can speed
up the healing process.
Karra: and this is important. If the person is
petrified, you cannot heal because they
are on fear mode.
Karra: but if they are suffering a
little bit from nervousness, it has to
stay a little bit of nervousness. You’ve
seen me in healings.
Karra: and if the person is nervous,
what do I do?
Russ: I’ve never seen a patient nervous
with you around.
Karra: yes you have.
Russ: no I…..
Russ: she was never nervous around you.
Karra: she was the first few times.
Russ: was she?
Russ: oh she was very wanting to get
Russ: so I never saw nervousness
Karra: early on there was.
Karra: and how do we get her over that
Russ: I don’t remember.
Karra: we clowned around a little.
Karra: for example, "okay
we want you to manifest a ball of white
light in front of you. Right in front of
you, right here. Put your hands on
either side and visualize it. Don’t grasp the ball too
tightly." Come on, you remember that
Russ: oh yeah.
Russ: oh, so it made
her more relaxed.
Karra: yes because I was clowning
Karra: in her mind she was seeing a ball
and it was a nice small ball and all of
a sudden I throw out
the banana skin and say, "don’t squeeze
it too tightly." It’s in the tone of the
voice, very important, very important.
So, we have humor thrown into the
Karra: now normally spiritual healers do
the ritual on their own. There are
helpers around that bring things much
like a nurse brings things. The job of
the helpers is to watch for any danger
signs not only from the healer, but from the
patient because as we briefly touched
upon fear, fear can do some very unusual
things to an individual.
Russ: well it could stop the healing
Karra: correct. The patient can become
violent and it is the job of the healers
or the assistants rather to be there to
Russ: hmm, okay.
Karra: so, let us recap. Okay we have
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