Archivist motes: This session took place when
Karra was still a healer working for Kornas and
before she became an ambassador. Due to a new
policy that was handed down from above, new
channeling rules were put in place to maintain the
seriousness of the knowledge being shared. True
manifestation is discussed by Omal on that theme
while Kiri pushes the edges of allowed information
with her discussion on warp engine technology.
Mistress of Ceremonies
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(Tia starts things
Tia: going better than you guys are
Russ: you can say that again.
(It had been raining cats and dogs for an
extended length of time.)
Russ: well you heard Mark and I
discussing the economic issue.
Tia: oh, yes, the economic issue.
Russ: I'm looking, and I think we
have discussed it before but the welfare reform as
being a triggering effect for a scenarios B or C
coupled with a collapse in the economy. Mainly a
depression or recession, deep recession.
(Possible scenarios as described in the Defcon
messages from the time.)
Russ: I wanted to get your views on
Tia: well, there are other
contributing factors that go into that, not just a
Tia: increase in frivolous
expenditure. For example, feel good programs to
make people feel good about buying cars that they
already own. Programs that are frivolous.
Russ: got that out of "Dave"?
Tia: yeah I did actually, cribbed
that but they do have programs like that. You see
the Democratic party seems to be interested in one
thing and one thing only, power.
Russ: well it beats the Republicans
who are only interested in money.
Tia: well money is a useful tool.
Power, absolute power does what?
Russ: corrupts absolutely? Okay, so
we got frivolous expenditures out of the way.
Russ: what are some other
Tia: okay, the government bickering
and arguing over factors such as shutting down the
government itself. Feel-good programs that
actually do nothing. For example, saving fictional
endangered species, stopping alternative growth,
buying external oil when the country is quite
capable of supporting itself using ethanol as
opposed to petroleum products. Expenditures like
that, that drain the very financial lifeblood from
Russ: well let's remember the
country's not the one who buys the oil, the gas
Tia: the gas companies could easily
buy internally, change over to ethanol which works
just as well as petroleum products.
Russ: well the government doesn't
control the gas companies.
Tia: they do. True they do not
control the gas companies but they can control the
imports and exports. Sending military forces
overseas to protect VITAL oil resources. One third
of the United States Armed Forces are overseas
protecting oil resources which is frivolous when
your country is quite capable of surviving totally
independently without importing petroleum
products. These external frivolous expenditures
are a drain on the people because who has to pay
these men that are overseas? Who has to pay for
their transport? Who has to pay for their food?
Who has to pay for their clothing? Who has to pay
for their entertainment? You guys do. The further
they are away the more it costs, the longer
they're overseas the more it costs.
Russ: okay well let me go ahead and
put for the sake of the tape what Mark and I were
Russ: and that was the fact that the
government is now working on various forms of
Russ: namely taking welfare from
illegal immigrants and minorities. By doing so,
they are getting upset a group of people who, if
there was a recession, wouldn't take much to go
ahead and go over the limits.....
Russ: or go over the top causing the
scenarios where we do see chaos in the cities.
Russ: so with that, is it better to
hope against welfare reform or go with that?
Tia: it depends on what path you wish
to go down.
Russ: okay, explain the different
paths then that we...
Tia: okay, let's say welfare reform
Tia: right? But a recession does.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, everybody suffers.
Tia: everybody suffers equally but
it's not that bad and recovery does happen but it
takes time. It takes time to get back to where you
Tia: a long time, a 100 years at
least. Now let us assume welfare does occur and
the crash happens and all the right circumstances
occur to facilitate rioting, mass disobedience and
so on. There is one of many things that could
happen. One is that the government re-institutes
welfare programs, food stamps and so on but that
doesn't really help because there is no money
anyway because where does the money come from? The
people and the people have to pay these other
people to have food.
Tia: so in actual fact they're taking
money from one group and giving it to another
group forcibly which upsets the other group you
Tia: let us say that there was no
re-institution of welfare right? The group that is
worse off in actual fact in the long run is better
off because they go through the suffering and the
growth and the learning and understanding the
necessary behavioral patterns that are needed to
be stronger and they will recover quicker. The
people that have had money squirreled away will
spend their money and spend their money and spend
their money until they achieve the status of the
first group but the first group is already
recovering. They know how to recover. The other
group who has lived fat and luxurious lives don't.
They suffer, they go to the government, they beg,
they whine, they riot, they fight, they cause
problems dragging the first group back down with
them so therefore the disobedience happens all
over again but much more nastier this time. The
government has to step in and institute programs.
So things occur that forces the level of learning
to be learned the harsh way. The
recovery rate in this I should say is about 30 to
50 years. So, when they re-achieve their balance,
it is not the parents but the offspring that know
how to proceed and how to go on from where they
were. This brings into play an enlightened,
accelerated purpose. I think Mark mentioned
something along those lines didn't he?
Tia: not as well detailed though. So
that it occurs much more rapidly and the
development of the mind, because of the suffering
is needed whereas the long slow, insidious decline
in the first part I discussed creates a lackadaisy
attitude, it prolongs
the growth. It's like if you go out and prune
roses. You prune them hard and the first year they
don't come back very well, the second year they
come back a bit better and the third year they
bloom incredibly. Now if you're only pruning them
lightly, the following year they bloom
beautifully. The year after that they bloom not so
well and they become a little bit woody and long.
The third-year they bloom a few flowers but have
put out quite a bit of growth and again get very
woody and you have to prune them back hard. That
is the way that scenario B and C look. The harsh
pruning is scenario C, the light pruning is
Russ: hmm, so there's a difference
between a 100 years and 30 to 50 years
Tia: uh-huh, basically yeah.
Russ: and scenarios A, the good
scenario, isn't happening at all.
Tia: I don't see it happening.
Tia: so you are in either B+, A-
almost or scenario B.
Russ: okay. So welfare reform as
itself won't bring about scenario C?
Tia: no, not on its own.
Russ: no, quite a few contributing
Russ: now what about the fact that
the middle class is shrinking? Won't that add to
the bulk of the people who would get fed up with
many of these different programs that you are
talking about as contributing factors?
Tia: well the definition of the
middle class keeps on chopping and changing, it's
really hard to define what the middle class is. To
start off with when your current president was
elected it was anybody that earned over $250,000 a
year was upper-class. Which meant anybody below
that but earned more than $20,000 were
middle-class. Then it changed to anybody that
earns over a $100,000. All of a sudden there is a
whole group that earned a $150,000 more than a
$100,000 that were taken out. They suddenly got
shunted into the upper-class hence the shrinkage.
Then suddenly, the middle class became anybody
that earned under $70,000. Bang, there goes
another load of people up into the upper-class
bracket. Very clever manipulation here if you
think about it. What's it doing? It's creating
class envy, it is creating the environment where a
group of individuals that are power-hungry can get
control over the people that are disgruntled, the
middle class and the lower class by saying, "look
at all these people that have suddenly made it
into the upper-class, the wealthy class." Very
Russ: yes but won't the upper-class
be the ones who will be the last to learn?
Russ: I mean, even though they have
more opportunities and more chance to study, they
really don't take advantage of that. They're only
interested in enjoying the fruits of their labors.
Tia: no, you would be surprised how
many are actually spiritually aware and involved.
Russ: maybe their wives or daughters
or sons or something maybe........
Russ: but not they themselves.
Tia: no, what did I say about the
ones that matter? It's not the parents......
Tia: it's the kids.
Russ: okay, now with that happening
then, like you say they'll be more insulated from
this but they'll still come down the ladder a
Russ: and that's when the real
learning will take place?
Russ: I see. But in the meantime,
those who have already been through it will
already be starting on the way out, recovering.
Russ: ahh, okay. Well that's all good
Russ: I'll be on the way out.
Tia: whilst they're coming down.
Russ: now, where does that leave for
those of us who have already learned from this to
those who are coming down to that point before
they start back up? We'll be as teachers then?
Tia: correct. Teachers, helpers.
Russ: okay. Now on the other hand, we
have a system in place now that will allow us to
recover and start to teach. But you're
saying.....let's say we go into the easier
scenario where's there 30 to 50 years. Could you
break that down into more or less when people
start coming down and when people start coming up?
Tia: yes I could but it would take me
quite a while tonight because I would have to.....
Russ: we don't have the time.
Tia: well not so much the time as I
would be thinking out loud and saying, "no, this
works.....no, no, no, no it doesn't work, let's
try it this way." And I would take up a lot of
time going over matters in my mind trying to get
to the goal that you are trying to achieve.
Russ: okay well if you could
Tia: work on the format and a formula
Russ: just break it down so it's just
an open mic night kind of thing.
Tia: really want to work me don't
Russ: at your leisure darling.
Russ: take a year, two years.
Russ: I'll just put it "to be
continued section" after this.
Tia: oh, okay, to be continued.
Russ: Tia continues her discussion on
Tia: okay but the main things look
out for is continuing frivolous expenditure, stock
market going hot dogs and all of a sudden going
kablooy. Welfare reform which is both a Republican
and a Democratic issue as well as a presidential
issue. What else? There's about six or seven other
things that I can't think of at the moment.
Russ: just save it for when we do the
Tia: okay. But this will be the
precursors to a desperate situation.
Tia: any questions?
Tia: you sure?
Tia: okay. I'll be back.
Russ: I know.
Tia: I am ring mistress. The way that
you put it on the internet that Tia comes back in
between speakers, you ought to say that Tia is the
coordinator that introduces the next speakers.
Russ: I'll work on your section
Tia: thank you.
(Omal takes over from Tia.)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us cover some of
Tia's issues before I cover mine.
Omal: okay let us look at her case
scenarios first of all. It is better to describe
them more as possibilities than scenarios.
Possibilities have a function of seeming more
important than scenarios. Scenarios are something
that you see on games and in military strategies.
Possibilities are something that is useful, that
gives people something to think about. When you're
editing and putting it on the internet device, you
should strike scenarios and put in possibilities.
Russ: okay. Well hello Skip.
Omal: greetings Skip.
Russ: Omal, Skip, you all know each
Omal: yes, please take a chair and we
will continue. This is a pleasure to see you.
Skip: my pleasure sir.
Omal: thank you, mine also. Okay let us
give a brief dissertation, before we do that I
will explain to Skip that the format has
changed a little due to circumstances that
were beyond our control and Russ' control and
Mark's control. Okay the format works this
way, I give a brief dissertation, I answer
questions. Tia puts on the next speaker, after
that speaker, I take over and explain what the
speaker meant and answer any questions that
the speaker could not answer or answered
inaccurately and it proceeds that way. The
reason for this is as I stated were
circumstances beyond our control. Okay now let
me get to my dissertation. Okay, concerning
the development and evolutionary purpose of
the mind. Now these problems that we have been
discussing concerning economic and possiblatil
effects such as depressions, welfare reforms,
political expenditure in a frivolous
nature as Tia puts it, are all key elements
into the learning process and how the mind
interacts with these learning's. The reason
for these learning's with such abilities as
healing, manifesting, coercion, astral travel,
psychokinesis, all have an interconnected
network within these learning patterns. Those
people that seek knowledge, astral travel is
the way to do it. Those people that seek to
control and teach, coercion again is a very
useful tool. Those people that are put on your
planet for the higher purpose of helping, not
only through education but through their
manifesting capabilities that have that unique
gift of being able to create nothing, or
something out of nothing. From a pile of
debris on the ground to a useful tool such as
a truck bed spring being created into a piece
of art. A fanciful piece of art at that but a
very useful talent in itself. And another
unique group of individuals, the healers that
are put again for a higher purpose on your
planet to help heal and educate for a
spiritual pathway not only for themselves but
for other people. Those lucky individuals that
have the opportunity to come in contact with
healers of exceptional gifts that can take
away their pain and make them feel better and
accelerate their healing process. Lastly, the
group of psychokinesis individuals,
they are again another
extraordinary group of people that have an
extreme purpose, not
as high as the manifestors or the healers but
their purpose is equally as important as all
the other purposes. Being able to move and
manipulate objects with the mind is a unique
and very useful gift. They are more the
engineers and the builders. Even
though they do not have the manifesting
capability, they have
the ability to visualize and construct things
that they have at hand. For example, building
a wall of large blocks or a building with
large blocks serves a unique purpose of being
able to construct shelter quickly and rapidly.
All the groups working together in unison
create the ideal situation for the next
evolutionary advancement of the planet. From
this, comes the next logical step, the step of
higher abilities, spiritual awareness and what
the liberals are seeking, a utopia. But the
two pathways of the spiritual and the
political cannot meet due to the fact that one
group is concerned with everybody and helping
everybody, the other group is concerned with
helping an elected few to have power over the
majority. Each group has its purpose, one is
the end result and something to aspire to, the
other is something to look at, learn and
avoid. Okay, let us start with Skip's question
as he is dying to ask a question.
Skip: I am?
Omal: there is
one on your mind.
Skip: I'm not
aware of it.
let us look at the.......let us put it this
way. What is the most important thing that you
feel is your goal?
Skip: at the
Skip: I don't
know, just helping other people. I don't have
any other goals than that Omal.
Omal: that is
a very high goal, helping other people.
what I've done all my life.
fits into the esteemed category of a
manifestor and a healer which you are both.
yeah I know I'm both.
Omal: so that
puts you in a unique position. Something that
is able to be an objective, a goal. Heading on
a pathway of such a high purpose, almost
self-sacrificing purpose, which is what you
have done for many years. You have had the
opportunity in the past to be extraordinarily
wealthy if I'm not mistaken.
Omal: and you
have turned down that opportunity every time
because of one thing that you really want to
do and that is to help. That is where you get
your wealth reward. It is not a fiscal or
Skip: am I
ever going to have a partner to help me with
that is something that I really can't answer.
you couldn't, I just
thought I'd insert that little bit okay?
Russ, your question.
you mentioned about
idealists looking for utopia.
this reflect back to Atlantis and the same
sort of utopia that was being searched for
but the same situation
that is now also occurred, greed, dominance,
the seeking of power to control others.
Russ: so we're
seeing a turnaround from that same point going
full circle let's say?
Omal: but not
quite. You don't have long-distance space
travel. Admittedly, it did take approximately
months to travel from Sirius as it was then to
where you are now, to your planet.
Russ: quite a
long time for what it is now.
Omal: well for
us it does not take that long.
Omal: but for
you in your current technology, traveling at
your current speed, it would take
you do not have light
travel do you?
Russ: oh yeah
that's right, six light years.
So you're talking at your current speed, it
would take approximately 150,000 years at full
speed, doesn't work.
Skip: we can't
build anything that big to hold
that much fuel.
couldn't build anything that would support
anybody for that long.
Omal: well the
fuel is unimportant, once you are in motion in
space with its nature, you continue at that
speed. For example let us say you are on the
space shuttle? You are outside the
gravitational field of your planet, you fire a
rock off into space, it
will continue.....let's say you fire it at 5
miles an hour, it
will continue at 5 miles an hour indefinitely
until it reaches a gravitational field that
alters its speed and trajectory or until it
Russ: now it
could hit something, come off its
gravitational field and could
shoot off at a faster speed......
Russ: or it
could be sucked into the
gravitational well of the body that it hits.
and ultimately stops.
where you are now is the starting point of
where you could go or the finishing point of
where you have been. Okay, next questions
Russ: tell me
I can put that all on the Internet.
Omal: yes, you
couldn't you use a gravitational field as a
slingshot effective to acquire the speed of
Omal: oh you
can, you can but your ships do not have the
shielding necessary to withstand the extreme
heat that is generated from a gravitational
source that has that potential. Your nearest
source is 93,000,000 miles away. To get there
would take approximately six
months to have the correct trajectory to be
able to hit it and to create the necessary
slingshot to be able to do so. If you were to
use somewhere like Jupiter that does not have
the heat to get to the point where it would be
able to sling you at.....(Coughs)
please. At the appropriate speed would crush
the vessel because of the gas and the depth
that is needed to generate the speed.
all right. In other words our technology isn't
high enough yet.
Omal: not yet
but it will come soon. Soon is a relative
term. When you have seen the Aurora Borealis
100,000 years ago and it is like yesterday for
you, soon is a relative term. For you soon is
tomorrow, for me soon is maybe a 1,000, 2,000
Omal: interesting vessel, cut glass I
now where were we?
yes, soon is a relevant term. What is soon for
one person, for a child, soon is some time
within the next 30 seconds, within the next
hour. For a teenager, soon is some time this
afternoon, possibly tomorrow morning. For a
young adult, somebody in their mid-20's,
soon is tomorrow, maybe next week. For
somebody that is a mature adult, soon is some
time maybe next week, maybe next month. For a
individual that has been around for a while,
soon may be next month, the month after but no
more than maybe a year. So the term soon is a
relevant term to the individual. It is little
bit like Einstein's theory of relativity,
everything is relative to everything else from
the observers point of view. That is something
that is needed to be reiterated. From the
observer's point of view, all things are
different than another observer,
Russ: what is
soon for you?
Omal: soon is
maybe a hundred, maybe a 1,000 years.
Russ: now in
you're mentioning with Skip that helping
others is a high goal and signs of a healer
would be the same with what I'm doing with the
Internet, is sort of form of manifestation?
Omal: yes it
is, in a way.
Russ: so in
essence, everyone is really a manifestor.
Skip: to a
Russ: to a
determines the fact that they are a true
Omal: how they
example, let us go back to the bed spring from
will be able to understand this better. What
is the bed spring from the truck now?
Skip: just a
Omal: no, it
is not just a spring, I'm making a reference
to a specific bed spring from a truck. The
long, flat piece of metal.
it's the load spring that holds the axles on.
Omal: yes but
what have you done with one?
have you done with one?
have I done with one?
made prybars out of them.
but you made something very special out of
one, something that you lug around. I may be
inaccurate in saying that it's a bed spring.
Skip: oh no,
no, no, no, no, you are inaccurate. That's
just a piece of my old steel stock, that
wasn't a spring.
but, that is an example of manifestation,
something of beauty has been created from
something that was laying on the ground.
Skip: just a
piece of steel, yeah.
Omal: that is
a true manifestor. Taking something that is a
piece of dull, inanimate metal and turning it
into a work of art, that
is manifestation. Taking a pen and a paper and
creating a piece of literature that is
pleasing to the heart as opposed to something
that is dry and boring. Being able to create a
fluid, moving sentence on a computer screen
and being able to place it with the gift that
you have for technology is a form of
manifesting. A different from admittedly but
it is manifesting your thoughts into designing
a page. Being able to take pen and paper and
create something from nothing is
able to see an object not as it is but as you
want to be, is manifestation.
taking thin air and turning it into something
Omal: that is
Omal: but also
the other things, taking a lump of metal and
turning it into a masterpiece of art, that is
Russ: hmm, I
never thought of that way.
different kind certainly but it is true
Russ: just never saw
it that way.
Skip: I do it
almost every day.
just a couple last things from me unless Skip,
you have something more?
Skip: no, I
have no more questions.
Russ: okay, in
the future sessions, a couple things I'd like
to work on before July.
Russ: one of
which is shielding, a how to.
fantastic. The other thing is, I'd like to get
working on a couple movies that are coming up
here by July. One is ""Contact" and the.....
Omal: and the
other one is "Men in Black".
I'm sure Karra already passed that on to you.
relevance to how our society is evolving in
regards to other races?
Omal: I have
not have the opportunity to witness these
"Contact" or "Men in Black".
they're just previews right now, they're not
out on screen til July.
Omal: oh we
have our ways of getting access to view
Russ: oh well,
it's kind of like I'd like to see if we could
get some kind of update on where that's going.
Not only that, but we're seeing as I pointed
out to Mark this evening a commercial showing
a spaceship coming down and aliens suddenly
materializing into this Lincoln Continental or
something and loving the
whole feel of it and if aliens came to earth,
this is what they'd drive.
(Said very dryly.)
Russ: but it
shows where we're taking a newer view towards
Omal: no not
quite, it is not new, it
is a cyclical
Omal: or circular
Russ: and this
goes back to our comments on Atlantis?
Russ: I see.
your medium for entertainment has always had a
cycle. Last year I believe it was the aliens
Omal: the year
before that, they were good.
Encounters of the Third Kind". They were
helpful and benevolent. Then they turned bad,
then they turned good, then they turned bad so
it is not something new and in
fact I believe you asked me a while back about
and "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and....
and so on.
Okay so it is just cyclical
and we are coming full circle again?
Russ: okay, it
doesn't show any preparation that's being made
toward real contact though I take it.
Omal: not at
this time, no.
All right, that pretty well ties it all in
together, that's all I pretty much have.
Skip: yeah I
have nothing else, thank you Omal.
problem. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
(Tia jumps back in.)
Tia: how's it
how about you?
Tia: oh it's
going good, good, better
than these two. So what can I do for you
before I put the next person on?
Skip: you can
manifest me a lady. (Laughs)
having lady problems too huh?
Well, no not really, I don't have one. (Laughs
Tia: oh, but
she's a nice lady, she's a real nice lady.
Tia: oh you're
Tia: oh that's
good, it's sometimes good to have a good lady
very good friends.
Tia: that is
is absolutely wonderful. Any questions for me
apart from manifesting you a lady? Besides,
I'm not a manifestor, I am
an astral traveler and a PK head.
Skip: just had
to tease you a little.
Tia: oh good.
(Karra takes her turn in
the order of things.)
good to see you.
been a little while hasn't it?
quite a while in fact.
maybe even a little longer than that.
Karra: I think
the last time you were up was sometime in
that's seven months.
Skip: yeah, it
Skip: this is
the sixth month already darling of our
Karra: yes I
know, that's it threw me. So it would be eight
Karra: my math
sucks tonight as you guys might say.
it's been quite a while.
Karra: yes it
about that, I just haven't had the opportunity
to get up here.
these things happen unfortunately.
Skip: oh yeah.
with snow and floods and avalanches and
mudslides and forest fires.
Skip: you got
Russ: we did
see a lot of it.
had a whole bunch of it the first of this
you guys need to buy life vests.
vests? You know life preservers?
Skip: no, no.
Skip: I don't
know, never thought about it.
Skip: be nice.
Karra: it is
Skip: but you
do it with such a straight face I can never
Karra: I know.
Your earth humor is sometimes very difficult
to follow. Sirian humor is something that you
take cynicism and use it as a humorous tool.
For example, yes you had a lot of water, maybe
a life vest might be in order sometime in the
future. That way it's a play on words. You
take the cynicism of the possibility with the
past and you have a humor.........
(Karra takes off from where
she left off.)
people walking down the street, two young
people, a male and a female and
they're walking down the street and they're
very much in the bloom of first love. And the
guy turns around, this is a sixth dimensional
joke as well, turns around to his first love
and goes, "Honey, marry me." And she turns
around and looks back and she goes, "but
darling, we are married." Hmm, okay let me
Karra: the way
it works is that they are experiencing both
the now......he's experiencing the now and she's
experiencing the past where they were and he
wants the now you see?
Russ: I can
see where you need to be sixth
dimensional to really be able to really pick
that one up on the first
it's a mind joke.
right. Best told telepathically probably too.
it's hard sometimes to
tell some of our jokes orally. Here's an oral
mountain joke. The Sage is sitting on the top
of the mountain and the devotee climbs up and
says, "Oh wise one, how do you get to be so
wise?" And the wise one stands up, lifts up
the back of his robe, pulls down his underwear
and says, "Look at the calluses." (Skip
chuckles.) Skip got that one. It's a lot of
hard work to be wise. Russ, you didn't get it
Russ: I did,
got it from let's see, sitting around a lot
got it hasn't he? My.
Skip: oh golly,
everything going with you?
going well, it's going well.
Skip: how's your
boys are doing well, Klarra's
being a typical young girl. I've been pretty
busy with things going on. Certain things, you
know Lyka's platoon has left and we've got a
replacement platoon. We have them here, we are
working with them. There's quite a few
individuals that are not very well. It's a sad
So they party
a lot, which means that a bunch of soldiers
partying, I have do a lot of medical work
afterwards which is good for them because
they're letting off steam.
(They are back from a firefight on a 3rd
Karra: how is your work
sorry, I just.......
Karra: how is
your work going?
Skip: oh, too
much of it, my hours aren't long enough.
the club, join the club, I do know what you
Russ: I have
never seen you down in the
med lab as much as I have lately.
there's a lot of work going on, as I just
stated that well........
Skip: I don't
have enough days in the week or enough hours
in the day.
Karra: tell me
Karra: I got
called the other morning at 2 o'clock in the
wasn't a medical emergency, it was one of the
soldiers wanted somebody to talk to and I
happened to be the first person that he
thought of calling so of course he called me.
I go down to the med lab and he's climbing up
the wall having serious psychological problems
so I had to talk to him
and talk him down and get him relaxed and sit
him back down and get him straight so that we
could do some work on him. He had taken off
some of his bandages unfortunately.
Karra: he had
a serious infection as well which is why he
was tweaking out.
Skip: hmm, and
they make you do it.
Karra: oh yes
broken any hearts among that group yet?
Karra: quite a
Russ: I can
well imagine darling. Fall
in love with the nurse syndrome?
Russ: I can
well imagine, especially with such a lovely
nurse such as yourself.
Karra: I have
six current guys that want to be the father of
quite funny actually, especially
how I have to turn them down.
golly. Yeah in fact, that's why I'm here
gentleman called me last night and wants me to
build an extension on his building.
Skip: and I've
got a lawn to mow and I'm pulling guard every
night five days a week and working 10 hours a
day and running out of time.
Skip: and I
thought I'd just stop by and say hello.
Okay, as Skip, I get the feeling that you
don't have as much time as you would like
there just isn't enough hours.
I'll tell you what we'll do. Let me quickly
consult with Omal, I will put Tia back on
temporarily and we'll see how we can go, okay?
(Tia pops back
Russ: hey Tia
hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
how's it going?
Skip: if I
could get some sleep, just fantastic.
Tia: oh cool.
Russ: you know
you just can't put a real channeling session
on the internet properly.
Tia: no you
can't. Not with everybody up and down, up and
Skip: no you
can't, there's just no way huh-uh.
Tia: uh uh.
Russ: no you
have to have one long page that keeps going
and going and going.
going. She didn't tell you about your rabbit
(A voice-activated Energizer Bunny robot Kiri
built for me.)
Tia: no, it's
going and going and going and going.
Russ: I didn't
apparently you did.
Russ: how? I
didn't do anything to it.
Tia: well you
told it to go.
Russ: did I?
apparently, that's what Karra said. Anyway,
they're still trying to get it working. So
we'll put Karra back on in the meantime.
(Karra comes back on briefly before handing
as my little sister over there is going nuts
trying to help rewire something.
it's a nice shot anyway.
I've got to put Omal on now.
(Omal comes in to review what can and can't be
added to the web.)
greetings once again, as I said Skip, this is
the new format.
well you can't put down the letter from Lyka.
You can't put down the discussion on where and
what it's like unfortunately. (These were edited
can put down the healing parts and the jokes.
doesn't make much a page.
that's all right, these are good sixth
dimensional jokes, I think it will be a good
analogy to put on there for people to learn
Omal: yes, you
can probably weave it in with the one that
you're working on at the moment from her.
Omal: do a
continuation, just put continued from such a
Omal: that is
about all that I need to go over except for
the technical difficulties that are being
experienced at the moment. Okay, I shall put
Tia back on.
to coordinating the chats.)
Tia: yes well,
seems like there's two ring.......well a ring
mistress and a ringmaster. Basically I still
have a right to say who does and who doesn't
go on, also the order but Omal seems to have
the veto affect. Excuse me for a moment.
Russ: isn't it
Tia: no it's
not Democratic. Democratic is where everybody
has a say.
Russ: well at
least it's an autonomous collection then.
Tia: oh yes
but it's good so far that Omal hasn't had to
make any major corrections or say "you cannot
put this on the internet whatsoever and forget
that you ever heard it".
yeah, we haven't gotten that far.
Tia: no. He's
definitely keeping a tight rein on us. There
is no longer any partying down in the pyramid,
we're up here in the lab in a
channeling room. Oh well, such is life.
that's all right, like I say, we're learning
certainly, certainly. Okay.....what?
nothing, just relaxing. I've got to go in a
couple minutes though.
Tia: oh, okay.
Well I'll put on the engineer, the expert, the
one that apparently was saying very rude
things in Sirian that got a glare from Karra.
(Kiri begins her part of
dudes. Hey Skip.
how's it going? What can I do for you?
still working on that warp engine.
going to find your new toy when it's finished
is going to help you tremendously. You want to
get a program called a CAD designer, is that
computer aided design program.
Kiri: it will
you....oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay all right,
now I'm with you now. I'm sorry, my mind's
that's all right, that's all right. It will
give you a three-dimensional design
capability. You will be able to construct
things in three dimensions. Now there are
other programs that go with it that will be
able to say, let's say you design a room like
this one right?
could put pillars in there, bumph, bumph,
bumph. Let's say Athenian pillars, those nice
slender ones. You can see how it would look,
you could color the walls, you could put
pictures in, you could color the walls
whatever color you want. If you want the top
part a tan color and the bottom part a cream
color, that works or vice versa. This will
help you tremendously and with that you'll be
able to design warp engines. I can't tell you
more than that because I'm getting glared at
the moment, I'm the one that Omal's watching
you know, notice that?
Skip: yeah I
Kiri: I'm the
one that pushes the edge of the envelope.
okay, I'm still working on it.
just....I can't recall enough to give me some
of the answers that I need.
(From a past life.)
Russ: it's all
on tape if you want me to give you a
original dissertation on warp engines.
but don't do a Nikolai Tesla, tell somebody,
don't keep it to yourself.
Skip: why not?
I told somebody about a trailer hitch that's
on the market.
but what I'm saying is.....
patent it and then tell them all about it.
right. Do the smart thing, patent it first and
then tell them. Don't do what Tesla did,
he was working on the
exact same thing.
patented all his stuff.
Kiri: all the
ones that he told people about. The ones that
were in here, (points to her head) what use
are they if they're in here and not patented
and being worked upon?
Skip: I put
mine on paper.
that's good, keep
it on paper so that they can see it.
Skip: but I
didn't patent it.
Skip: now it's
on almost every trailer on the road.
Kiri: I think
that goes back to Omal's thing about
potentials and being helpful.
Skip: I helped
self-contained trailer brakes, I designed them
almost 20 years ago.
and in return you've saved lives.
helped people to have an easier life. Just
that one thing has paid hundreds of dividends.
Think of how many people would have been
killed if the brakes weren't there.
Russ: if you made lots of
money and become a millionaire, we might never
have met you there Skip.
that's true too.
wouldn't be the person you are now.
Skip: oh I
don't know, probably give it all away.
Kiri: see you
could open a can of worms there, big can of
you can't foresee the future and can't
reiterate on the past so.....
Kiri: no you
engineering is better than first because you
see the first engineering and you can always
improve on it.
second engineering is always better than the
Well the trick is that when you take something
that is in existence......
improve upon it.
improve upon it. For example, let us look at
this thing here.
Russ: I got to
I'll see you later ace.
right, have Mark just go ahead and label this
and date it.
Skip: so long
there there Russ, I have to go down myself
here pretty quick.
Kiri: now you
take this thing here right? This is a PA
Skip: it's a
Kiri: not a PA
system, a intercom.
now I can make something half that size right?
would we improve upon this?
Skip: for one
thing, cut the wire off of it.
that's.....you mean put batteries in there?
should you put batteries in it?
Kiri: to give
it power to work.
Skip: it can
work on voice.
don't need batteries.
let's not worry about the power supply at the
Skip: okay, go
how could you make that better and more
right now I don't know exactly what it does. I
know it's an intercom but you could make it a
lot smaller I know that.
that is the first thing I would do, I would
make it smaller.
Skip: and VOX
it, voice operated transmitter.
that makes it smaller still.
Skip: yes it
away with all the buttons.
eliminates your buttons.
so in other words, we've eliminated all this
for the volume. We've eliminated this part
which is the power supply.
Skip: no you
don't have to have a volume on it for the
simple reason that volume can be created by
your own distance from the whatchamacallit,
you don't need a volume switch on it. And as
far as power supply, you don't need one for
the simple reason that you can buy a VOX, you
can create power from the speaker itself which
would transmit through the microchips in it to
no power at all, you don't need any power.
using an electromagnetic field.
Kiri: so we've
taken something that is, what's it? That's
about 5 inches long by about 3 inches wide?
we've reduced it down to I should say probably
maybe an inch by an inch.
that or about that.
Kiri: uh hmm,
I could actually make it smaller.
Kiri: what I
would do is I would mount the microphone on a
cord right? Which gives you the antenna for
the receiving and transmitting right? Use the
cord from the microphone down as the antenna
as well as the microphone cord.
Skip: okay, if
you're going to do that then when you touch it
you're automatically increasing the volume
because you are a radio receiver.
right, soon as you touch it you increase the
you are.......a 3-D body is a receiver.
correct. Okay, we've got the electromagnetic
power, we've got the speaker on the bottom
right? As well as the receiver....
Skip: at the
Kiri: at the
top next the microphone. So basically we've
got something that's maybe about that wide
right? And probably about that long on a
could even shorten the antenna.
Skip: to be
only just approximately 3 to 4 inches.
Kiri: well I
was just thinking if you want to grab it.
what I'm saying, just 3 to 4 inches to get
your fist in between the two units.
you've created something that is much better,
much more efficient.
Skip: and that
goes back to what I said before, second
engineering is better than the first.
and that's my point that you can take
something like that. Okay now the trick is to
take that idea right? Well we've actually gone
to the next stage where I was going to go, we
had your initial idea which was the second
engineering and we've gone to third
because we discussed it between us.
now how do we go to the next logical step from
what we've talked about and find out if
everything that we have said is practical to a
point of commercial application.
Skip: and then
if it's all practical in commercial use or in
everyday use, go ahead and patent it that way
and try to put it into production. To try to
put it into production is sometimes a real
long and drawn out affair.
okay, let us
assume we've done that, how do we improve on
Skip: oh yes
got to keep improving.
right, you got to.
Okay the next stage would be, let's make it a
little bit more advanced and sophisticated.
Okay, instead of having a speaker, let's say
we put a little liquid crystal screen in
In the top you put a fiber-optic camera and a
fiber-optic speaker or microphone. You mount
underneath the screen, you mount a little
Kiri: you now
Kiri: well you
which is what we have all over the place up
Skip: and you
can make it this size.
be able to look at your watch and go....
Skip: talk to
And using the electrical field of the body
Skip: it is
your receiver and transmitter.
as well as your power supply. So you don't
need the batteries, you don't need the storage
device of the power, you don't need the magnet
Kiri: you now
have a total, independent, biochemical,
around your wrist.
cool device huh?
Skip: then it
would go to a lapel pin.
actually, the way that I do it is I have a
device like this, this thing here and it has a
projector in it which I can project the
holographic image of the person I'm talking
right okay, you're going into the holographic
Skip: I was
going into the miniaturization.
Skip: of the
Kiri: yeah but
I have a device that is actually a lot thinner
than this one, it's probably about yea thick.
And it projects the picture of the person and
the sound comes from the picture. It's only a
mini picture. For example, if I was talking to
you and I was using my watch, I would press
the answer button and it would project out and
there would be a picture of you about yea tall
standing on my desk talking to me and you
would have the exact same picture if you the
exact setup of me talking to you. And I mean,
it's easy, it's like having you actually there
or the person that you're talking to.
to talk to, easier to talk to.
of talking down to an empty.....
Skip: you have
a tendency to feel like you are talking down
Skip: why that
is, I don't know.
over what we call a telephone.
do talk down to you and they try to intimidate
you over a phone and I won't allow it.
Skip: I won't
allow it for me and I won't....I've tried to
teach my offspring not to allow it to happen
Skip: so the
button on there shuts them off.
oh most certainly, most certainly.
with two-way radios, same with television,
same with any means of communication. If you
are not happy with what you see or hear......
the on-off switch.
Skip: turn it
Yeah the great thing is that I can give my
communicator a command, a voice command, I can
say for example let's say I'm having a
conversation with somebody and they are being
rude to me right? I've got their holo there, I
can say "communication device, switch off".
And that tells the person I'm upset right? Or
I can say "communication device", they don't
hear that part, they won't see that part. And
I can say "non-vocal switch off"and it would
just switch off and cut out the command. They
won't see any of that. There's a whole load of
root commands that you can use that override
the command pattern.
I have a question I hope you can answer it.
You don't have to tell me the elements okay?
this.....like I said, I'm still working on
this warp engine.
application of the.....see if I can word this
right. I don't want to get you out over a
barrel. The chemicals or combination of
propellants is available to us at the present
all right. To create a warp engine?
that's what I was afraid of, that's what I was
afraid of. Because I was...there has to be
something. And this has got to be a
Skip: we don't
have the metal to control it.
Skip: okay no,
no. You have to go any further, that's all
I've got to hear about.
Kiri: I can
say what I'm about to say as I'm transmitting
to Omal and he goes, "hmmm, gray area, try
it". And I.....
Skip: I just
don't want to get you in trouble.
Kiri: yeah I
don't think you would quite.....you might
understand it, that's the risk that we're
going to take is that it's not a metal that is
going to be used. It's not a metal that you
have at present. It is a combination of
substances that have a high....
Kiri: no, a
high resistance to heat. For example, you take
a heat tile from the space shuttle right?
it's black sand.
Kiri: you get
your blowtorch right? And you put it on the
top side of the tile that's facing out.
you can hold it your hand.
Skip: I know.
Skip: I know
what black sand is.
okay. There is a number of substances needed
to contain that kind of explosive force that
will be able to be channeled and focused in a
Skip: okay all
right, okay all right, okay. Enough, enough.
you can see that I'm editing myself very
yeah, just enough. Just enough okay?
Kiri: okay but
you get the picture?
Kiri: I mean
if it wasn't for all this damn editing and
stuff, I could set you up for....
worry about it, don't worry about it we'll get
there, we'll get there eventually. I
just.....my biggest problem is, is I can't
Skip: from my
(From a past life.)
how to do it.
Skip: I can't
recall my engineering experience period okay?
Kiri: well you
get flashes of it, flashes of it from time to
once in a while.
but the problem....
Skip: this 3-D
world's interfering with me.
Kiri: yeah I
know, I know, I know. The way to look at it is
when you do figure it out, you've got to
design it in such a way that you filter out
the waste and turn the waste into a useful,
safe tool. Otherwise, you're going to end up
with people doing what my mother did which is
the what you would call the "Spock routine".
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of
the one or the few.
(Kiri and Karra's mother was an engineer on a
space ship that developed engine trouble and
she sacrificed herself to save the ship and
its crew fixing it.)
Kiri:: but if
you can't, it doesn't matter it's.....
Skip: it's got
a be recycle engine.
that's what I'm saying would be nice.
Skip: it's got
to be a recycle engine.
if you have waste, you're only using 80% of
the waste is 20%.
right. That's what they have on the third
dimension is what we have been discussing is
third dimensional, higher-technology engines
that you guys don't have access to.
Skip: yeah and
they're 20% waste.
whatever. There's still a 20% waste. I don't
care what engine talking about in 3-D, there's
still a 20% waste.
To have a ship that runs at 99% of
Skip: it's got
to be higher than that if it's going to go
Kiri: no, they
run at 80% efficiency, ones that travel at
don't work quite the way that you're thinking
that they work.
can't do that.
Kiri: yes you
can, yes you can.
Skip: no you
can't. Now wait a minute, don't misunderstand
me, I'm not trying to dispute your knowledge.
Kiri: oh no,
no, no, no, no, I know that.
Skip: I don't
mean it that way. What I'm doing is editing my
Skip: but if
you have a 20% waste on any engine.
Skip: it's not
Kiri: no it's
Skip: it's not
right so you have to have......90% still isn't
giving you a self-sustaining engine.
99.999 is what the engines up here run on.
It's actually higher than that.
Skip: that is
right at the very, very edge of complete
If let's say we have a quantity of fuel and
we're using the same fuel that you're using
Kiri: you take
the fuel, let's say it's an ounce of fuel and
an ounce of fuel will get you on your planet a
Kiri: we take
the same ounce of fuel, we put it into one of
our transportation devices right? And we can
get over one light year of energy from that
ounce of fuel.
actual fact that ounce of fuel, if you're
traveling in a warp capacity, will give you
unlimited distance due to the fact of the area
that you travel in when you reach the required
dimensional specifications. Where the fuel is
actually used is in the entry and the exit. So
you take an ounce of fuel and you can travel
let's say oh a million light years with that
fuel and that is because of entry and exiting.
Now the thing is that the further you travel
the more fuel that you need for your reentry.
Kiri: so that
fuel will burn totally, be used. You can
travel a million light years on that piece of
fuel. Half of it will be used....well actually
about a quarter is used on entry.....on
exiting and then three quarters is used on
there is a popular theory on your planet that
I've just been handed a rough transcript of
and what the theory is, is that to travel
within space, creating the warp engine.......
Kiri: what you
do is, you have to bend space so that you're
traveling within a bubble that is external to
space whereas space moves, the bubble does
not. You are within the bubble and you travel
within the bubble and the bubble itself is
moving within space but you are not moving
within the bubble. Now, by projecting a beam
of a particular type of energy which is
generated from the engines, you create a hole
that will open and the bubble actually plugs
the hole, sealing the hole behind it. It is
not so much of a hole as more of an opening
like this kind of effect.
your spaceship travels within a particular
part of space. Some people call it on your
planet a gray area.
travel within that area and then projecting a
beam in front of the vessel at the appropriate
time, opens up another hole and you pop out at
your location where you want to go, you see?
theory is........all I can say is that theory
is that theory. I can't say whether it would
work or whether it would not work,
rather I can say that
it's a theory.
Dog gone it, I wish I could draw upon my past
will, all in good time, all in good time.
anyhow that's enough of brainstorming.
Kiri: oh pity,
I was just getting warmed up.
Skip: I know,
you do that.
Kiri: one of
these days when you have time, we'll have to
sit down and brainstorm and what makes it more
challenging for me is what I'm not allowed to
Skip: yeah I
know, I don't want you to do
that. But we're.....
running out of time as well aren't you?
well not only that but I can't seem to pull on
what I know I know.
Skip: it just
won't come back to me.
Kiri: no it's
there for a reason.
Skip: I know.
Kiri: and it
may be that the reason that you can't access
it at this time is that the environmental
setup is not ready yet.
Skip: it could
Skip: it could
be. If I come up with something completely out
of context with what everybody believes, I'd
be laughed out of the world.
sometimes that happens, sometimes people that
are thought of as jokesters and fools.......
Skip: I know.
actual fact are the ones that are way ahead.
For example, a steam turbine.
Kiri: here's a
nice little one, you take a spherical ball
insert two tubes.
Kiri: you bend
them so that one is facing down like this and
one is facing up like this.
they're into the ball like this and then
facing like this.
Kiri: the ball
is filled half with water.
Kiri: you heat
the ball from an external source right? Say
heat radiating up. The water starts to boil.
shaft that the ball is sitting on to keep it
over the heat source right?
freestanding so that it can rotate one way or
happens when the water inside starts to boil?
Skip: it has
Kiri: and it
makes the ball do what?
makes the shaft that it's connected to
turns. Who invented that?
Skip: I have
gentleman called Hero.
He invented it about 3,000 years ago. Now let
us look at that and say what would've happened
if he had connected a wheel to the drive
Kiri: and then
used a rope to connect to another wheel?
say a wheel on a lathe.
Or even a wheel on a vehicle.
Skip: a form
incredible form of transportation.
Skip: the one
that amazes me is this generator.
Skip: I can't
think of the man's name right now. He invented
quite a few different areas of electricity, oh
he's attributed a lot of inventions way back
Skip: and this
generator puts out a lot of voltage and no
Kiri: oh, a Van de
Kiri: the Van
de Graaff generator.
you go, that's his name.
attributed with a whole raft of different
Kiri: oh yes.
Skip: I've got
a book at home, a catalog that the names of it
is, "Things you never knew existed".
And I do apologize for taking that thought out
of your head. I saw the device and I go, "I
know what that is".
that's quite all right, that's quite all
right, no, no that's fine but
they have a complete histories on a lot of
I just thought I'd tap it, see if
it....anyway, let's wrap this up.
THE TAPE ENDS
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