THE WARPED SESSION 06/17/97
Archivist motes: This session took
place when Karra was still a healer working for
Kornas and before she became an ambassador. Due to
a new policy that was handed down from above, new
channeling rules were put in place to maintain the
seriousness of the knowledge being shared. True
manifestation is discussed by Omal on that theme
while Kiri pushes the edges of allowed information
with her discussion on warp engine technology.
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(Tia starts things off.)
Tia: going better than you guys are going.
Russ: you can say that again. (It had been raining cats and dogs for
an extended length of time.)
Russ: well you heard Mark and I discussing the economic
Tia: oh, yes, the economic issue.
Russ: I'm looking, and I think we have discussed it before
but the welfare reform as being a triggering effect for a
scenarios B or C coupled with a collapse in the economy.
Mainly a depression or recession, deep recession.
(Possible scenarios as described in the Defcon
messages from the time.)
Russ: I wanted to get your views on that.
Tia: well, there are other contributing factors that go
into that, not just a recession.
Tia: increase in frivolous expenditure. For example, feel
good programs to make people feel good about buying cars
that they already own. Programs that are frivolous.
Russ: got that out of "Dave"?
Tia: yeah I did actually, cribbed that but they do have
programs like that. You see the Democratic party seems to
be interested in one thing and one thing only, power.
Russ: well it beats the Republicans who are only
interested in money.
Tia: well money is a useful tool. Power, absolute power
Russ: corrupts absolutely? Okay, so we got frivolous
expenditures out of the way.
Russ: what are some other contributing factors?
Tia: okay, the government bickering and arguing over
factors such as shutting down the government itself.
Feel-good programs that actually do nothing. For example,
saving fictional endangered species, stopping alternative
growth, buying external oil when the country is quite
capable of supporting itself using ethanol as opposed to
petroleum products. Expenditures like that, that drain the
very financial lifeblood from the country.
Russ: well let's remember the country's not the one who
buys the oil, the gas companies are.
Tia: the gas companies could easily buy internally, change
over to ethanol which works just as well as petroleum
Russ: well the government doesn't control the gas
Tia: they do. True they do not control the gas companies
but they can control the imports and exports. Sending
military forces overseas to protect VITAL oil resources.
One third of the United States Armed Forces are overseas
protecting oil resources which is frivolous when your
country is quite capable of surviving totally
independently without importing petroleum products. These
external frivolous expenditures are a drain on the people
because who has to pay these men that are overseas? Who
has to pay for their transport? Who has to pay for their
food? Who has to pay for their clothing? Who has to pay
for their entertainment? You guys do. The further they are
away the more it costs, the longer they're overseas the
more it costs.
Russ: okay well let me go ahead and put it for the sake of
the tape what Mark and I were discussing tonight.
Russ: and that was the fact that the government is now
working on various forms of welfare reform......
Russ: namely taking welfare from illegal immigrants and
minorities. By doing so, they are getting upset a group of
people who, if there was a recession, wouldn't take much
to go ahead and go over the limits.....
Russ: or go over the top causing the scenarios where we do
see chaos in the cities.
Russ: so with that, is it better to hope against welfare
reform or go with that?
Tia: it depends on what path you wish to go down.
Russ: okay, explain the different paths then that we...
Tia: okay, let's say welfare reform doesn't happen.
Tia: right? But a recession does.
Russ: all right.
Tia: okay, everybody suffers.
Tia: everybody suffers equally but it's not that bad and
recovery does happen but it takes time. It takes time to
get back to where you are now.
Tia: a long time, a 100 years at least. Now let us assume
welfare does occur and the crash happens and all the right
circumstances occur to facilitate rioting, mass
disobedience and so on. There is one of many things that
could happen. One is that the government re-institutes
welfare programs, food stamps and so on but that doesn't
really help because there is no money anyway because where
does the money come from? The people and the people have
to pay these other people to have food.
Tia: so in actual fact they're taking money from one group
and giving it to another group forcibly which upsets the
other group you see?
Tia: let us say that there was no re-institution of
welfare right? The group that is worse off in actual fact
in the long run is better off because they go through the
suffering and the growth and the learning and
understanding the necessary behavioral patterns that are
needed to be stronger and they will recover quicker. The
people that have had money squirreled away will spend
their money and spend their money and spend their money
until they achieve the status of the first group but the
first group is already recovering. They know how to
recover. The other group who has lived fat and luxurious
lives don't. They suffer, they go to the government, they
beg, they whine, they riot, they fight, they cause
problems dragging the first group back down with them so
therefore the disobedience happens all over again but much
more nastier this time. The government has to step in and
institute programs. So things occur that forces the level
of learning to be learn't the harsh way. The recovery rate
in this I should say is about 30 to 50 years. So, when
they re-achieve their balance, it is not the parents but
the offspring that know how to proceed and how to go on
from where they were. This brings into play an
enlightened, accelerated purpose. I think Mark mentioned
something along those lines didn't he?
Tia: not as well detailed though. So that it occurs much
more rapidly and the development of the mind, because of
the suffering, is needed whereas the long slow, insidious
decline in the first part I discussed creates a lackadaisy
attitude. It prolongs the growth. It's like if you go out
and prune roses. You prune them hard and the first year
they don't come back very well, the second year they come
back a bit better and the third year, they bloom
incredibly. Now if you're only pruning them lightly, the
following year they bloom beautifully. The year after that
they bloom not so well and they become a little bit woody
and long. The third-year they bloom a few flowers but have
put out quite a bit of growth and again get very woody and
you have to prune them back hard. That is the way that
scenario B and C look. The harsh pruning is scenario C,
the light pruning is scenario B.
Russ: hmm, so there's a difference between a 100 years and
30 to 50 years essentially.
Tia: uh-huh, basically yeah.
Russ: and scenarios A, the good scenario, isn't happening
Tia: I don't see it happening.
Tia: so you are in either B+, A- almost or scenario B.
Russ: okay. So welfare reform as itself won't bring about
Tia: no, not on its own.
Russ: no, quite a few contributing factors.
Russ: now what about the fact that the middle class is
shrinking? Won't that add to the bulk of the people who
would get fed up with many of these different programs
that you are talking about as contributing factors?
Tia: well the definition of the middle class keeps on
chopping and changing, it's really hard to define what the
middle class is. To start off with when your current
president was elected it was anybody that earned over
$250,000 a year was upper-class. Which meant anybody below
that but earned more than $20,000 were middle-class. Then
it changed to anybody that earns over a $100,000. All of a
sudden there is a whole group that earned a $150,000 more
than a $100,000 that were taken out. They suddenly got
shunted into the upper-class hence the shrinkage. Then
suddenly, the middle class became anybody that earned
under $70,000. Bang, there goes another load of people up
into the upper-class bracket. Very clever manipulation
here if you think about it. What's it doing? It's creating
class envy, it is creating the environment where a group
of individuals that are power-hungry can get control over
the people that are disgruntled, the middle class and the
lower class by saying, "look at all these people that have
suddenly made it into the upper-class, the wealthy class."
Very clever move.
Russ: yes but won't the upper-class be the ones who will
be the last to learn?
Russ: I mean, even though they have more opportunities and
more chance to study, they really don't take advantage of
that. They're only interested in enjoying the fruits of
Tia: no, you would be surprised how many are actually
spiritually aware and involved.
Russ: maybe their wives or daughters or sons or something
Russ: but not they themselves.
Tia: no, what did I say about the ones that matter? It's
not the parents......
Tia: it's the kids.
Russ: okay, now with that happening then, like you say
they'll be more insulated from this but they'll still come
down the ladder a ways.
Russ: and that's when the real learning will take place?
Russ: I see. But in the meantime, those who have already
been through it will already be starting on the way out,
Russ: ahh, okay. Well that's all good for me.
Russ: I'll be on the way out.
Tia: whilst they're coming down.
Russ: now, where does that leave for those of us who have
already learned from this to those who are coming down to
that point before they start back up? We'll be as teachers
Tia: correct. Teachers, helpers.
Russ: okay. Now on the other hand, we have a system in
place now that will allow us to recover and start to
teach. But you're saying.....let's say we go into the
easier scenario where's there 30 to 50 years. Could you
break that down into more or less when people start coming
down and when people start coming up?
Tia: yes I could but it would take me quite a while
tonight because I would have to.....
Russ: we don't have the time.
Tia: well not so much the time is I would be thinking out
loud and saying, "no, this works.....no, no, no, no it
doesn't work, let's try it this way." And I would take up
a lot of time going over matters in my mind trying to get
to the goal that you are trying to achieve.
Russ: okay well if you could maybe.....
Tia: work on the format and a formula for it.
Russ: just break it down so it's just an open mic night
kind of thing.
Tia: really want to work me don't you?
Russ: at your leisure darling.
Russ: take a year, two years.
Russ: I'll just put it "to be continued section" after
Tia: oh, okay, to be continued.
Russ: Tia continues her discussion on scenarios.
Tia: okay but you know the main things look out for is
continuing frivolous expenditure, stock market going hot
dogs and all of a sudden going kablooy. Welfare reform
which is both a Republican and a Democratic issue as well
as a presidential issue. What else? There's about six or
seven other things that I can't think of at the moment.
Russ: just save it for when we do the continuation.
Tia: okay. But this will be the precursors to a desperate
Tia: any questions?
Tia: you sure?
Tia: okay. I'll be back.
Russ: I know.
Tia: I am ring mistress. The way that you put it on the
internet that Tia comes back in between speakers, you
ought to say that Tia is the coordinator that introduces
the next speakers.
Russ: I'll work on your section there.
Tia: thank you.
(Omal takes over from Tia.)
Omal: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us cover some of Tia's issues before I
Omal: okay let us look at her case scenarios first of all.
It is better to describe them more as possibilities than
scenarios. Possibilities have a function of seeming more
important than scenarios. Scenarios are something that you
see on games and in military strategies. Possibilities are
something that is useful, that gives people something to
think about. When you're editing and putting it on the
internet device, you should strike scenarios and put in
Russ: okay. Well hello
Omal: greetings Skip.
Russ: Omal, Skip, you all know each other.
Omal: yes, please take a chair and we will continue. This
is a pleasure to see you.
Skip: my pleasure sir.
Omal: thank you, mine also. Okay let us give a brief dissertation,
before we do that I will explain to Skip that the
format has changed a little due to circumstances that
were beyond our control and Russ' control and Mark's
control. Okay the format works this way, I give a
brief dissertation, I answer questions. Tia puts on
the next speaker, after that speaker, I take over and
explain what the speaker meant and answer any
questions that the speaker could not answer or
answered inaccurately and it proceeds that way. The
reason for this is as I stated were circumstances
beyond our control. Okay now let me get to my
dissertation. Okay, concerning the development and
evolutionary purpose of the mind. Now these problems
that we have been discussing concerning economic and
possiblatil effects such as depressions, welfare
reforms, political expenditure of a frivolous nature
as Tia puts it, are all key elements into the learning
process and how the mind interacts with these
learning's. The reason for these learning's with such
abilities as healing, manifesting, coercion, astral
travel, psychokinesis, all have an interconnected
network within these learning patterns. Those people
that seek knowledge, astral travel is the way to do
it. Those people that seek to control and teach,
coercion again is a very useful tool. Those people
that are put on your planet for the higher purpose of
helping, not only through education but through their
manifesting capabilities that have that unique gift of
being able to create nothing, or something out of
nothing. From a pile of debris on the ground to a
useful tool such as a truck bed spring being created
into a piece of art. A fanciful piece of art at that
but a very useful talent in itself. And another unique
group of individuals, the healers that are put again
for a higher purpose on your planet to help heal and
educate for a spiritual pathway not only for
themselves but for other people. Those lucky
individuals that have the opportunity to come in
contact with healers of exceptional gifts that can
take away their pain and make them feel better and
accelerate their healing process. Lastly, the group of
psychokinesis individuals, they
are again another extraordinary group of people that
have an extreme purpose, not
as high as the manifestors or the healers, but their
purpose is equally as important as all the other
purposes. Being able to move and manipulate objects
with the mind is a unique and very useful gift. They
are more the engineers and the builders.
though they do not have the manifesting capability,
they have the ability to visualize and construct
things that they have at hand. For example, building a
wall of large blocks or a building with large blocks
serves a unique purpose of being able to construct
shelter quickly and rapidly. All the groups working
together in unison create the ideal situation for the
next evolutionary advancement of the planet. From
this, comes the next logical step, the step of higher
abilities, spiritual awareness and what the liberals
are seeking, a utopia. But the two pathways of the
spiritual and the political cannot meet due to the
fact that one group is concerned with everybody and
helping everybody, the other group is concerned with
helping an elected few to have power over the
majority. Each group has its purpose, one is the end
result and something to aspire to, the other is
something to look at, learn and avoid. Okay let us
start with Skip's question as he is dying to ask a
Skip: I am?
Omal: there is one on your mind.
Skip: I'm not aware of it.
Omal: okay, let us look at the.......let us put it
this way. What is the most important thing that you
feel is your goal?
Skip: at the present time?
Skip: I don't know, just helping other people. I don't
have any other goals than that Omal.
Omal: that is a very high goal, helping other people.
Skip: that's what I've done all my life.
Omal: that fits into the esteemed category of a
manifestor and a healer which you are both.
Skip: uh-huh, yeah I know I'm both.
Omal: so that puts you in a unique position. Something
that is able to be an objective, a goal. Heading on a
pathway of such a high purpose, almost
self-sacrificing purpose, which is what you have done
for many years. You have had the opportunity in the
past to be extraordinarily wealthy if I'm not
Omal: and you have turned down that opportunity every
time because of one thing that you really want to do
and that is to help. That is where you get your wealth
reward. It is not a fiscal or currency reward.
Skip: one question.
Skip: am I ever going to have a partner to help me
Omal: umm, that is something that I really can't
Skip: figured you couldn't, I just thought I'd
insert that little bit okay?
Omal: okay Russ, your question.
Russ: okay, you mentioned about
idealists looking for utopia.
Russ: doesn't this reflect back to Atlantis and the
same sort of utopia that was being searched for then?
Omal: correct for the same situation that is
now also occurred, greed, dominance, the seeking of
power to control others.
Russ: so we're seeing a turnaround from that same
point going full circle let's say?
Omal: yes, basically.
Omal: but not quite. You don't have long-distance
space travel. Admittedly, it did take approximately 6
months to travel from Sirius as it was then to where
you are now, to your planet.
Russ: quite a long time for what it is now.
Omal: well for us it does not take that long.
Omal: but for you in your current technology,
traveling at your current speed, it would take
Russ: six years.
Omal: no, you do not have light
travel do you?
Russ: oh yeah that's right, six light years.
Omal: correct. So you're talking at your current
speed, it would take approximately 150,000 years at
full speed, doesn't work.
Skip: we can't build anything that big to
hold that much fuel.
Russ: you couldn't build anything that would support
anybody for that long.
Omal: well the fuel is unimportant, once you are in
motion in space with its nature, you continue at that
speed. For example let us say you are on the space
shuttle? You are outside the gravitational field of
your planet, you fire a rock off into space,
will continue.....let's say you fire it at 5 miles an
will continue at 5 miles an hour indefinitely until it
reaches a gravitational field that alters its speed
and trajectory or until it hits something.
Russ: now it could hit something, come off its
gravitational field and could shoot off at a
Russ: or it could be sucked into the
gravitational well of the body that it hits.
Omal: correct and ultimately stops.
Omal: but, where you are now is the starting point of
where you could go or the finishing point of where you
have been. Okay, next questions please.
Russ: tell me I can put that all on the Internet.
Omal: yes, you can.
Russ: bonus, cool.
Skip: why couldn't you use a gravitational field as a
slingshot effective to acquire the speed of light?
Omal: oh you can, you can but your ships do not have
the shielding necessary to withstand the extreme heat
that is generated from a gravitational source that has
that potential. Your nearest source is 93,000,000
miles away. To get there would take approximately 6
months to have the correct trajectory to be able to
hit it and to create the necessary slingshot to be
able to do so. If you were to use somewhere like
Jupiter that does not have the heat to get to the
point where it would be able to sling you
Russ: want some water?
Omal: yes please. At the appropriate speed would crush
the vessel because of the gas and the depth that is
needed to generate the speed.
Skip: okay, all right. In other words our technology
isn't high enough yet.
Omal: not yet but it will come soon. Soon is a
relative term. When you have seen the Aurora Borealis
100,000 years ago and it is like yesterday for you,
soon is a relative term. For you soon is tomorrow, for
me soon is maybe a 1,000, 2,000 years.
Omal: interesting vessel, cut glass I believe.
Russ: uh-huh, yes.
Omal: okay, now where were we?
Skip: about soon.
Omal: soon yes, soon is a relevant term. What is soon
for one person, for a child, soon is some time within
the next 30 seconds, within the next hour. For a
teenager, soon is some time this afternoon, possibly
tomorrow morning. For a young adult, somebody in their
mid-20's, soon is tomorrow, maybe next
week. For somebody that is a mature adult, soon is
some time maybe next week, maybe next month. For a
individual that has been around for a while, soon may
be next month, the month after but no more than maybe
a year. So the term soon is a relevant term to the
individual. It is little bit like Einstein's theory of
relativity, everything is relative to everything else
from the observers point of view. That is something
that is needed to be reiterated. From the observer's
point of view, all things are different than another
Russ: what is soon for you?
Omal: soon is maybe a hundred, maybe a 1,000 years.
Russ: now in you're mentioning with Skip that helping
others is a high goal and signs of a healer and
Russ: that would be the same with what I'm doing with
the Internet, is sort of form of manifestation?
Omal: yes it is, in a way.
Russ: so in essence, everyone is really a manifestor.
Skip: to a point.
Russ: to a point.
Russ: what determines the fact that they are a true
Omal: how they use it.
Russ: please explain.
Omal: for example, let us go back to the bed spring
from the truck.
Omal: Skip will be able to understand this better.
What is the bed spring from the truck now?
Skip: just a spring.
Omal: no, it is not just a spring, I'm making a
reference to a specific bed spring from a truck. The
long, flat piece of metal.
Skip: yeah it's the load spring that holds the axles
Omal: yes but what have you done with one?
Skip: I'm sorry?
Omal: what have you done with one?
Skip: what have I done with one?
Skip: I've made prybars out of them.
Omal: uh-huh, but you made something very special out
of one, something that you lug around. I may be
inaccurate in saying that it's a bed spring.
Skip: oh no, no, no, no, no, you are inaccurate.
That's just a piece of my old steel stock, that wasn't
Omal: okay but, that is an example of manifestation,
something of beauty has been created from something
that was laying on the ground.
Skip: just a piece of steel, yeah.
Omal: that is a true manifestor. Taking something that
is a piece of dull, inanimate metal and turning it
into a work of art, that
is manifestation. Taking a pen and a paper and
creating a piece of literature that is pleasing to the
heart as opposed to something that is dry and boring.
Being able to create a fluid, moving sentence on a
computer screen and being able to place it with the
gift that you have for technology is a form of
manifesting. A different from admittedly but it is
manifesting your thoughts into designing a page. Being
able to take pen and paper and create something from
nothing is manifestation.
Omal: being able to see an
object not as it is but as you want to be, is
Russ: and taking thin air and turning it into
Omal: that is true manifestation.
Omal: but also the other things, taking a lump of
metal and turning it into a masterpiece of art, that
is true manifestation.
Russ: hmm, I never thought of that way.
Omal: a different kind certainly but it is true
Russ: you're right........
Russ: just never saw it that way.
Skip: I do it almost every day.
Russ: okay, just a couple last things from me unless
Skip, you have something more?
Skip: no, I have no more questions.
Russ: okay, in the future sessions, a couple things
I'd like to work on before July.
Russ: one of which is shielding, a how to.
Omal: okay next week.
Russ: okay fantastic. The other thing is, I'd like to
get working on a couple movies that are coming up here
by July. One is ""Contact" and the.....
Omal: and the other one is "Men in Black".
Russ: correct. I'm sure Karra already passed that on
Russ: their relevance to how our society is evolving
in regards to other races?
Omal: I have not have the opportunity to witness these
"Contact" or "Men in Black".
Russ: well they're just previews right now, they're
not out on screen til July.
Omal: oh we have our ways of getting access to view
Russ: oh well, it's kind of like I'd like to see if we
could get some kind of update on you know where that's
going. Not only that, but you know we're seeing as I
pointed out to Mark this evening a commercial showing
a spaceship coming down and aliens suddenly
materializing into this Lincoln Continental or
something and you know loving the whole feel of it and
if aliens came to earth, this is what they'd
Omal: yes. (Said very dryly.)
Russ: but it shows where we're taking a newer view
Omal: no not quite, it is not new, it
is a cyclical
Omal: or circular motion.
Russ: and this goes back to our comments on Atlantis?
Russ: I see.
Omal: that your medium for entertainment has always
had a cycle. Last year I believe it was the aliens are
Omal: the year before that, they were good.
Omal: "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". They were
helpful and benevolent. Then they turned bad, then
they turned good, then they turned bad so it is not
something new and in fact I believe you asked
me a while back about "Cocoon"?
Russ: right, and "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" and....
Omal: correct and so on.
Russ: right. Okay so it is just cyclical
and we are coming full circle again?
Russ: okay, it doesn't show any preparation that's
being made toward real contact though I take it.
Omal: not at this time, no.
Russ: okay. All right, that pretty well ties it all in
together, that's all I pretty much have.
Omal: okay, thank you.
Skip: yeah I have nothing else, thank you Omal.
Omal: no problem. Live long, prosper and I'll be back.
(Tia jumps back in.)
Skip: yes darling.
Tia: how's it going?
Skip: great, how about you?
Tia: oh it's going good, good, better
than these two. So what can I do for you before I put
the next person on?
Skip: you can manifest me a lady. (Laughs)
Tia: you're having lady problems too huh?
Skip: yeah. Well, no not really, I don't have one.
Tia: oh, but Judy?
Skip: she's a nice lady, she's a real nice lady.
Tia: oh you're friends.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Tia: you're friends.
Tia: oh that's good, it's sometimes good to have a
good lady friend.
Skip: very, very good friends.
Tia: that is wonderful, that
is absolutely wonderful. Any questions for me apart
from manifesting you a lady? Besides, I'm not a
manifestor, I am an astral traveler and a
Skip: just had to tease you a little.
Tia: oh good.
Tia: okay, next speaker.
(Karra takes her
turn in the order of things.)
Russ: hi Karra.
Karra: hello, hello Skip.
Skip: hello Karra.
Karra: it's good to see you.
Skip: my pleasure.
Karra: it's been a little while hasn't it?
Skip: yeah, quite a while in fact.
Karra: about six months.
Skip: yeah, maybe even a little longer than that.
Karra: I think the last time you were up was sometime
Skip: could be, yeah.
Karra: my, that's seven months.
Skip: yeah, it sure is.
Skip: eight, nine months.
Karra: yeah, wow.
Skip: this is the sixth month already darling of our
Karra: yes I know, that's it threw me. So it would be
Karra: my math sucks tonight as you guys might say.
Skip: yeah it's been quite a while.
Karra: yes it has.
Skip: sorry about that, I just haven't had the
opportunity to get up here.
Karra: well these things happen unfortunately.
Skip: oh yeah.
Karra: what with snow and floods and avalanches and
mudslides and forest fires.
Skip: and water.
Karra: and water.
Skip: and water.
Karra: and more water.
Skip: you got that right.
Russ: we did see a lot of it.
Skip: we've had a whole bunch of it the first of this
Karra: yes, you guys need to buy life vests.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Karra: life vests.
Russ: life vests? You know life preservers?
Skip: oh life....no.
Karra: flotation devices.
Skip: no, no.
Karra: why not?
Skip: I don't know, never thought about it.
Karra: I'm joking.
Skip: be nice.
Karra: it is a.....
Skip: but you do it with such a straight face I can
Karra: I know. Your earth humor is sometimes very
difficult to follow. Sirian humor is something that
you take cynicism and use it as a humorous tool. For
example, yes you had a lot of water, maybe a life vest
might be in order sometime in the future. That way
it's you know a play on words. You take the cynicism
of the possibility with the past and you have a
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra takes off from where she
Karra: two people walking down the street, two young
people, a male and a female and they're
walking down the street and they're very much in the
bloom of first love. And the guy turns around, this is
a sixth dimensional joke as well, turns around to his
first love and goes, "Honey, marry me." And she turns
around and looks back and she goes, "but darling, we
are married." Hmm, okay let me explain that.
Karra: the way it works is that they are experiencing
both the now......he's experiencing the now and she's
experiencing the past where they were and he wants the
now you see?
Russ: I can see where you need to be
sixth dimensional to really be able to really pick
that one up in the first part.
Karra: yeah it's a mind joke.
Russ: hmmm right. Best told telepathically probably
Karra: yes. It's hard sometimes to tell some of our
jokes orally. Here's an oral mountain joke. The Sage
is sitting on the top of the mountain and the devotee
climbs up and says, "Oh wise one, how do you get to be
so wise?" And the wise one stands up, lifts up the
back of his robe, pulls down his underwear and says,
"Look at the calluses." Skip got that one. It's a lot
of hard work to be wise. Russ, you didn't get it did
Russ: I did, got it from let's see, sitting around a
Karra: he's got it hasn't he? My.
Russ: just thinking.
Skip: oh golly, anyhow......
Skip: how's everything going with you?
Karra: it's going well, it's going well.
Skip: how's your children?
Karra: the boys are doing well, Klarra's being
a typical young girl. I've been pretty busy with
things going on. Certain things, you know Lyka's
platoon has left and we've got a replacement platoon.
We have them here, we are working with them. There's
quite a few individuals that are not very well. It's a
So they party a lot, which means that a bunch of
soldiers partying, I have do a lot of medical work
afterwards which is good for them because they're
letting off steam. (They are back from a firefight on
a 3rd dimensional planet.) How is your work going?
Skip: I'm sorry, I just.......
Karra: how is your work going?
Skip: oh, too much of it, my hours aren't long enough.
Karra: join the club, join the club, I do know what
Russ: I have never seen you down in the med lab
as much as I have lately.
Karra: well there's a lot of work going on, as I just
stated that well.
Skip: I don't have enough days in the week
or enough hours in the day.
Karra: tell me about it.
Skip: my goodness gracious.
Karra: I got called the other morning at 2 o'clock in
the morning. It wasn't a medical emergency, it was one
of the soldiers wanted somebody to talk to and I
happened to be the first person that he thought of
calling so of course he called me. I go down to the
med lab and he's climbing up the wall having serious
psychological problems so I had to talk to
him and talk him down and get him relaxed and sit him
back down and get him straight so that we could do
some work on him. He had taken off some of his
Karra: he had a serious infection as well which is why
he was tweaking out.
Skip: hmm, and they make you do it?
Karra: oh yes certainly.
Russ: you broken any hearts among that group yet?
Karra: quite a few unfortunately.
Russ: I can well imagine darling. Fall
in love with the nurse syndrome?
Karra: it's....it's prevalent.
Russ: I can well imagine, especially with such a
lovely nurse such as yourself.
Karra: I have six current guys that want to be the
father of my children.
Karra: it's quite funny actually, especially
how I have to turn them down.
Skip: oh golly. Yeah in fact, that's why I'm here
Skip: a gentleman called me last night and wants me to
build an extension on his building.
Karra: oh really?
Skip: and I've got a lawn to mow and I'm pulling guard
every night five days a week and working 10 hours a
day and running out of time.
Skip: and I thought I'd just stop by and say hello.
Karra: hello. Okay, as Skip, I get the feeling that
you don't have as much time as you would like correct?
Skip: no, there just isn't enough hours.
Karra: okay, I'll tell you what we'll do. Let me
quickly consult with Omal, I will put Tia back on
temporarily and we'll see how we can go, okay?
(Tia pops back in.)
Russ: hey Tia
Kiri: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Skip: hello sweetheart.
Tia: hey, how's it going?
Skip: if I could get some sleep, just fantastic.
Tia: oh cool.
Russ: you know you just can't put a real channeling
session on the internet properly.
Tia: no you can't. Not with everybody up and down, up
Skip: no you can't, there's just no way huh-uh.
Tia: uh uh.
Russ: no you have to have one long page that keeps
going and going and going.
Skip: yeah right.
Tia: and going. She didn't tell you about your rabbit
did she? (A voice-activated Energizer Bunny robot Kiri
built for me.)
Tia: no, it's going and going and going and going.
Russ: I didn't start it.
Tia: apparently you did.
Russ: how? I didn't do anything to it.
Tia: well you told it to go.
Russ: did I?
Tia: apparently, that's what Karra said. Anyway,
they're still trying to get it working. So we'll put
Karra back on in the meantime.
(Karra comes back on briefly before handing off
Karra: okay, as my little sister over there is going
nuts trying to help rewire something.
Russ: well it's a nice shot anyway.
Karra: okay, I've got to put Omal on now.
Russ: bye love.
(Omal comes in to review what can and can't be added
to the web.)
Omal: okay greetings once again, as I said Skip, this
is the new format.
Omal: okay, well you can't put down the letter from
Lyka. You can't put down the discussion on where and
what it's like unfortunately. (These
were edited out.) You
can put down the healing parts and the jokes.
Omal: which doesn't make much a page.
Russ: well that's all right, these are good sixth
dimensional jokes, I think it will be a good analogy
to put on there for people to learn from.
Omal: yes, you can probably weave it in with the one
that you're working on at the moment from her.
Omal: do a continuation, just put continued from such
Omal: that is about all that I need to go over except
for the technical difficulties that are being
experienced at the moment. Okay, I shall put Tia back
(Tia returns to coordinating the chats.)
Tia: yes well, seems like there's two ring.......well
a ring mistress and a ringmaster. Basically I still
have a right to say who does and who doesn't go on,
also the order but Omal seems to have the veto affect.
Excuse me for a moment.
Russ: isn't it Democratic?
Tia: no it's not Democratic. Democratic is where
everybody has a say.
Russ: well at least it's an autonomous collection
Tia: oh yes but it's good so far that Omal hasn't had
to make any major corrections or say "you cannot put
this on the internet whatsoever and forget that you
ever heard it".
Russ: well yeah, we haven't gotten that far.
Tia: no. He's definitely keeping a tight rein on us.
There is no longer any partying down in the pyramid,
we're up here in the lab in the channeling room. Oh
well, such is life.
Russ: well that's all right, like I say, we're
Tia: uh-huh certainly, certainly. Okay.....what?
Russ: oh nothing, just relaxing. I've got to go in a
couple minutes though.
Tia: oh, okay. Well I'll put on the engineer, the
expert, the one that apparently was saying very rude
things in Sirian that got a glare from Karra.
(Kiri begins her part of the
Kiri: yo dudes. Hey Skip.
Skip: hi sweetie.
Kiri: hey how's it going? What can I do for you?
Skip: I'm still working on that warp engine.
Kiri: getting close huh?
Kiri: you're going to find your new toy when it's
finished is going to help you tremendously. You want
to get a program called a CAD designer, is that
Russ: uh-huh, computer aided design program.
Kiri: it will give you......
Skip: are you....oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay all
right, now I'm with you now. I'm sorry, my mind's
Kiri: oh that's all right, that's all right. It will
give you a three-dimensional design capability. You
will be able to construct things in three dimensions.
Now there are other programs that go with it that will
be able to say, let's say you design a room like this
Kiri: you could put pillars in there, bumph, bumph,
bumph. Let's say Athenian pillars, those nice slender
ones. You can see how it would look, you could color
the walls, you could put pictures in, you could color
the walls whatever color you want. If you want the top
part a tan color and the bottom part a cream color,
that works. Or vice versa. This will help you
tremendously and with that you'll be able to design
warp engines. I can't tell you more than that because
I'm getting glared at the moment, I'm the one that
Omal's watching you know, notice that?
Skip: yeah I know.
Kiri: I'm the one that pushes the edge of the
Skip: that's okay, I'm still working on it.
Skip: I just....I can't recall enough to give me some
of the answers that I need. (From a past life.)
Russ: it's all on tape if you want me to give you a
Kiri: uh-huh but don't......
Skip: what now?
Russ: her original dissertation on warp engines.
Kiri: uh-huh but don't do a Nikolai Tesla, tell
somebody, don't keep it to yourself.
Skip: why not? I told somebody about a trailer hitch
and it's on the market.
Kiri: uh-huh but what I'm saying is.....
Russ: well patent it and then tell them all about it.
Kiri: that's right. Do the smart thing, patent it
first and then tell them. Don't do what Tesla did. He
was working on the exact same thing.
Russ: Tesla patented all his stuff.
Kiri: all the ones that he told people about. The ones
that were in here, (points to her head) what use are
they if they're in here and not patented and being
Skip: I put mine on paper.
Kiri: uh-huh, that's good. Keep it on paper so that
they can see it.
Skip: but I didn't patent it.
Skip: now it's on almost every trailer on the road.
Kiri: I think that goes back to Omal's thing about
potentials and being helpful.
Skip: I helped everybody. (Laughs)
Skip: self-contained trailer brakes, I designed them
almost 20 years ago.
Kiri: uh-huh and in return you've saved lives.
Skip: true enough.
Kiri: you've helped people to have an easier life.
Just that one thing has paid hundreds of dividends.
Think of how many people would have been killed if the
brakes weren't there.
Skip: yeah, true enough.
Russ: if you had made lots of money and become a
millionaire, we might never have met you there Skip.
Skip: yeah that's true too.
Russ: you wouldn't be the person you are now.
Skip: oh I don't know, probably give it all away.
Kiri: see you could open a can of worms there, big can
of worms. Okay....
Skip: anyhow, you can't foresee the future and can't
reiterate on the past so.....
Kiri: no you can't unfortunately.
Skip: second engineering is better than first because
you see the first engineering and you can always
improve on it.
Kiri: that's right.
Skip: so second engineering is always better than the
Kiri: uh-huh. Well the trick is that when you take
something that is in existence......
Skip: and improve upon it.
Kiri: and improve upon it. For example, let us look at
this thing here.
Russ: I got to go darling.
Kiri: okay. I'll see you later ace.
Russ: all right, have Mark just go ahead and label
this and date it.
Russ: bye Skip.
Skip: so long there there Russ, I have to go down
myself here pretty quick.
Kiri: now you take this thing here right? This is a PA
Skip: it's a what?
Kiri: not a PA system, a intercom.
Kiri: okay, now I can make something half that size
Kiri: how would we improve upon this?
Skip: for one thing, cut the wire off of it.
Kiri: no that's.....you mean put batteries in there?
Skip: why should you put batteries in it?
Kiri: to give it power to work.
Skip: it can work on voice.
Skip: you don't need batteries.
Kiri: okay, let's not worry about the power supply at
Skip: okay, go ahead.
Kiri: okay, how could you make that better and more
Skip: well, right now I don't know exactly what it
does. I know it's an intercom but you could make it a
lot smaller I know that.
Kiri: uh-huh, that is the first thing I would do, I
would make it smaller.
Skip: and VOX it, voice operated transmitter.
Kiri: uh-huh, that makes it smaller still.
Skip: yes it does.
Kiri: does away with all the buttons.
Skip: that eliminates your buttons.
Kiri: uh-huh, so in other words, we've eliminated all
this area here.
Kiri: except for the volume. We've eliminated this
part which is the power supply.
Skip: no you don't have to have a volume on it for the
simple reason that volume can be created by your own
distance from the whatchamacallit, you don't need a
volume switch on it. And as far as power supply, you
don't need one for the simple reason that you can by a
VOX you can create power from the speaker itself which
would transmit through the micro chips in it to no
power at all, you don't need any power.
Kiri: yeah, using an electromagnetic field.
Kiri: so we've taken something that is, what's it?
That's about 5 inches long by about 3 inches wide?
Kiri: and we've reduced it down to I should say
probably maybe an inch by an inch.
Skip: either that or about that.
Kiri: uh hmm, I could actually make it smaller.
Kiri: what I would do is I would mount the microphone
on a cord right? Which gives you the antenna for the
receiving and transmitting right? Use the cord from
the microphone down as the antenna as well as the
Skip: okay, if you're going to do that then when you
touch it you're automatically increasing the volume
because you are a radio receiver.
Kiri: that's right, soon as you touch it you increase
Skip: that's right.
Skip: because you are.......a 3-D body is a receiver.
Kiri: that's correct. Okay, we've got the
electromagnetic power, we've got the speaker on the
bottom right? As well as the receiver....
Skip: at the top.
Kiri: at the top next the microphone. So basically
we've got something that's maybe about that wide
right? And probably about that long on a flexible
Skip: you could even shorten the antenna.
Kiri: oh certainly.
Skip: to be only just approximately 3 to 4 inches.
Kiri: well I was just thinking if you want to grab it.
Skip: that's what I'm saying, just 3 to 4 inches to
get your fist in between the two units.
Kiri: so you've created something that is much better,
much more efficient.
Skip: and that goes back to what I said before, second
engineering is better than the first.
Kiri: exactly and that's my point, that you can take
something like that. Okay now the trick is to take
that idea right? Well we've actually gone to the next
stage where I was going to go, we had your initial
idea which was the second engineering and we've gone
to third engineering.
Skip: yeah because we discussed it between us.
Kiri: okay, now how do we go to the next logical step
Skip: research what we've talked about and find out if
everything that we have said is practical to a point
of commercial application.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes exactly.
Skip: and then if it's all practical in commercial use
or in everyday use, go ahead and patent it that way
and try to put it into production. To try to put it
into production is sometimes a real long and drawn out
Kiri: yeah, okay. Let us assume we've done that, how
do we improve on the product?
Skip: oh yes definitely.
Kiri: you've got to keep improving.
Skip: that's right, you got to.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay the next stage would be, let's make
it a little bit more advanced and sophisticated. Okay,
instead of having a speaker, let's say we put a little
liquid crystal screen in there.
Kiri: uh-huh. In the top you put a fiber-optic camera
and a fiber-optic speaker or microphone. You mount
underneath the screen, you mount a little
Kiri: you now have what?
Kiri: well you have......
Kiri: exactly, which is what we have all over the
place up here.
Skip: and you can make it this size.
Kiri: exactly, be able to look at your watch and
Skip: talk to the people.
Kiri: uh-huh. And using the electrical field of the
Skip: it is your receiver and transmitter.
Kiri: uh-huh, as well as your power supply. So you
don't need the batteries, you don't need the storage
device of the power, you don't need the magnet
Kiri: you now have a total, independent, biochemical,
Skip: uh-huh around your wrist.
Kiri: pretty cool device huh?
Skip: then it would go to a lapel pin.
Kiri: well actually, the way that I do it is I have a
device like this, this thing here, and it has a
projector in it which I can project the holographic
image of the person I'm talking to.
Skip: all right okay, you're going into the
Skip: I was going into the miniaturization.
Skip: of the LCD.
Kiri: yeah but I have a device that is actually a lot
thinner than this one, it's probably about yea thick.
And it projects the picture of the person and the
sound comes from the picture. It's only a mini
picture. For example, if I was talking to you and I
was using my watch, I would press the answer button
and it would project out and there would be a picture
of you about yea tall standing on my desk talking to
me and you would have the exact same picture if you
the exact set up of me talking to you. And I mean,
it's easy, it's like having you actually there or the
person that you're talking to.
Skip: easier to talk to, easier to talk to.
Kiri: instead of talking down to an empty.....
Skip: you have a tendency to feel like you are talking
down to people.
Skip: over communications.
Skip: why that is, I don't know.
Skip: even over what we call a telephone.
Skip: people do talk down to you and they try to
intimidate you over a phone and I won't allow it.
Skip: I won't allow it for me and I won't....I've
tried to teach my offspring not to allow it to happen
Kiri: yeah uh-huh.
Skip: so the button on there shuts them off.
Kiri: uh-huh, oh most certainly, most certainly.
Skip: same with two-way radios, same with television,
same with any means of communication. If you are not
happy with what you see or hear......
Kiri: there's the on-off switch.
Skip: turn it off.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah the great thing is that I can give
my communicator a command, a voice command, I can say
for example let's say I'm having a conversation with
somebody and they are being rude to me right? I've got
their holo there, I can say "communication device,
switch off". And that tells the person I'm upset
right? Or I can say "communication device", they don't
hear that part, they won't see that part. And I can
say "non-vocal switch off"and it would just switch off
and cut out the command. They won't see any of that.
There's a whole load of root commands that you can use
that override the command pattern.
Skip: uh-huh. I have a question I hope you can answer
it. You don't have to tell me the elements okay?
Skip: in this.....like I said, I'm still working on
this warp engine.
Skip: the application of the.....see if I can word
this right. I don't want to get you out over a barrel.
The chemicals or combination of propellants is
available to us at the present time?
Skip: okay, all right. To create a warp engine?
Skip: metals also?
Skip: ah-hah, that's what I was afraid of, that's what
I was afraid of. Because I was...there has to be
something. And this has got to be a biochemical
Skip: we don't have the metal to control it.
Skip: okay, all right.
Kiri: to contain....
Skip: okay no, no. You have to go any further, that's
all I've got to hear about.
Kiri: I can say what I'm about to say as I'm
transmitting to Omal and he goes, "hmmm, gray area,
try it". And I.....
Skip: I just don't want to get you in trouble.
Kiri: yeah I don't think you would quite.....you might
understand it, that's the risk that we're going to
take is that it's not a metal that is going to be
used. It's not a metal that you have at present. It is
a combination of substances that have a high....
Skip: energy source?
Kiri: no, a high resistance to heat. For example, you
take a heat tile from the space shuttle right?
Skip: yes, it's black sand.
Kiri: you get your blowtorch right? And you put it on
the top side of the tile that's facing out.
Skip: uh-huh, you can hold it your hand.
Kiri: yeah exactly.
Skip: I know.
Skip: I know what black sand is.
Kiri: yeah, okay. There is a number of substances
needed to contain that kind of explosive force that
will be able to be channeled and focused in a
Skip: okay all right, okay all right, okay. Enough,
Kiri: there you can see that I'm editing myself very
Skip: yeah, yeah, just enough. Just enough okay?
Kiri: okay but you get the picture?
Kiri: I mean if it wasn't for all this damn editing
and stuff, you know I could set you up for....
Skip: don't worry about it, don't worry about it we'll
get there, we'll get there eventually. I just.....my
biggest problem is, is I can't recall........
Skip: from my engineering experience. (From a past
Kiri: uh-huh, how to do it.
Skip: I can't recall my engineering experience period
Kiri: well you get flashes of it, flashes of it from
time to time.
Skip: yeah once in a while.
Kiri: yeah, but the problem....
Skip: this 3-D world's interfering with me.
Kiri: yeah I know, I know, I know. The way to look at
it is when you do figure it out, you've got to design
it in such a way that you filter out the waste and
turn the waste into a useful, safe tool. Otherwise,
you're going to end up with people doing what my
mother did which is the what you would call the "Spock
routine". The needs of the many outweigh the needs of
the one or the few. (Kiri and Karra's mother was an
engineer on a space ship that developed engine trouble
and she sacrificed herself to save the ship and its
crew fixing it.)
Kiri:: but if you can't, it doesn't matter it's.....
Skip: it's got a be recycle engine.
Kiri: well that's what I'm saying would be nice.
Skip: it's got to be a recycle engine.
Skip: because if you have waste, you're only using 80%
of the potential.
Skip: because the waste is 20%.
Kiri: that's right. That's what they have on the third
dimension is what we have been discussing is third
dimensional, higher-technology engines that you guys
don't have access to.
Skip: yeah and they're 20% waste.
Skip: fumes, whatever. There's still a 20% waste. I
don't care what engine talking about in 3-D, there's
still a 20% waste.
Kiri: correct. To have a ship that runs at 99% of
Skip: it's got to be higher than that if it's going to
Kiri: no, they run at 80% efficiency, ones that travel
at warp speed.
Kiri: they don't work quite the way that you're
thinking that they work.
Skip: you can't do that.
Kiri: yes you can, yes you can.
Skip: no you can't. Now wait a minute, don't
misunderstand me, I'm not trying to dispute your
Kiri: oh no, no, no, no, no, I know that.
Skip: I don't mean it that way. What I'm doing is
editing my own thoughts.
Skip: but if you have a 20% waste on any engine.
Skip: it's not self-sustaining.
Kiri: no it's not.
Skip: it's not self-sustaining.
Kiri: they need refueling.
Skip: that's right so you have to have......90% still
isn't giving you a self-sustaining engine.
Kiri: no. 99.999 is what the engines up here run on.
It's actually higher than that.
Skip: that is right at the very, very edge of complete
Kiri: correct. If let's say we have a quantity of fuel
and we're using the same fuel that you're using right?
Kiri: you take the fuel, let's say it's an ounce of
fuel and an ounce of fuel, will get you on your planet
Kiri: we take the same ounce of fuel, we put it into
one of our transportation devices right? And we can
get over one light year of energy from that ounce of
Kiri: in actual fact that ounce of fuel, if you're
traveling in a warp capacity, will give you unlimited
distance due to the fact of the area that you travel
in when you reach the required dimensional
specifications. Where the fuel is actually used is in
the entry and the exit. So you take an ounce of fuel
and you can travel let's say oh a million light years
with that fuel and that is because of entry and
exiting. Now the thing is, that the further you
travel, the more fuel that you need for your reentry.
Kiri: so that fuel will burn totally, be used. You can
travel a million light years on that piece of fuel.
Half of it will be used....well actually about a
quarter is used on exiting and then three quarters is
used on exiting.
Skip: okay.........biochemical engine.......
Kiri: now there is a popular theory on your planet
that I've just been handed a rough transcript of and
what the theory is, is that to travel within space,
creating the warp engine.......
Kiri: what you do is, you have to bend space so that
you're traveling within a bubble that is external to
space whereas space moves, the bubble does not. You
are within the bubble and you travel within the bubble
and the bubble itself is moving within space but you
are not moving within the bubble. Now, by projecting a
beam of a particular type of energy which is generated
from the engines, you create a hole that will open and
the bubble actually plugs the hole, sealing the hole
behind it. It is not so much of a hole as more of an
opening like this kind of effect.
Kiri: okay, your spaceship travels within a particular
part of space. Some people call it on your planet a
Kiri: you travel within that area and then projecting
a beam in front of the vessel at the appropriate time,
opens up another hole and you pop out at your location
where you want to go, you see?
Kiri: that theory is........all I can say is that
theory is that theory. I can't say whether it would
work or whether it would not work. Rather I can say
that it's a theory.
Skip: uh-huh. Dog gone it, I wish I could draw upon my
Kiri: you will, all in good time, all in good time.
Skip: okay, anyhow that's enough of brainstorming.
Kiri: oh pity, I was just getting warmed up.
Skip: I know, you do that.
Skip: but I.....
Kiri: one of these days when you have time, we'll have
to sit down and brainstorm and what makes it more
challenging for me is what I'm not allowed to say.
Skip: yeah I know. I don't want you to do that. But
Kiri: you're running out of time as well aren't you?
Skip: yeah, well not only that but I can't seem to
pull on what I know I know.
Skip: it just won't come back to me.
Kiri: no it's there for a reason.
Skip: I know.
Kiri: and it may be that the reason that you can't
access it at this time is that the environmental setup
is not ready yet.
Skip: it could be.
Skip: it could be. If I come up with something
completely out of context with what everybody
believes, I'd be laughed out of the world.
Kiri: well sometimes that happens, sometimes people
that are thought of as jokesters and fools.......
Skip: I know.
Kiri: in actual fact are the ones that are way ahead.
For example, a steam turbine.
Kiri: here's a nice little one, you take a spherical
Kiri: you insert two tubes.
Kiri: you bend them so that one is facing down like
this and one is facing up like this.
Kiri: so they're into the ball like this and then
facing like this.
Kiri: the ball is filled half with water.
Kiri: you heat the ball from an external source right?
Say heat radiating up. The water starts to boil.
Kiri: the shaft that the ball is sitting on to keep it
over the heat source right?
Kiri: is freestanding so that it can rotate one way or
Kiri: what happens when the water inside starts to
Skip: it has to escape.
Kiri: and it escapes from?
Skip: through the tubes.
Kiri: which makes the ball do what?
Kiri: which makes the shaft that it is connected to do
Kiri: it turns. Who invented that?
Skip: I have no idea.
Kiri: a gentleman called Hero.
He invented it about 3,000 years ago. Now let us look
at that and say what would've happened if he had
connected a wheel to the drive shaft?
Kiri: and then used a rope to connect to another
Kiri: let's say a wheel on a lathe.
Skip: uh-huh. Or even a wheel on a vehicle.
Skip: a form of transportation.
Kiri: incredible form of transportation.
Skip: the one that amazes me is this generator.
Skip: I can't think of the man's name right now. He
invented quite a few different areas of electricity,
oh he's attributed a lot of inventions way back when.
Skip: and this generator puts out a lot of voltage and
Kiri: oh, a Van
de Graaff generator.
Skip: I'm sorry?
Kiri: the Van de Graaff generator.
Skip: there you go, that's his name.
Skip: he's attributed with a whole raft of different
Kiri: oh yes.
Skip: I've got a book at home, a catalog that the
names of it is, "Things you never knew existed".
Kiri: yeah. And I do apologize for taking that thought
out of your head. I saw the device and I go, "I know
what that is".
Skip: uh-huh, that's quite all right, that's quite all
right, no, no that's fine. But they have a complete
histories on a lot of this.
Kiri: uh-huh. I just thought I'd tap it, see if
it....anyway, let's wrap this up.
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