Archivist Notes: The channeling session
for the month of July is one we have waited a long
time to post due to what we heard back when it was
recorded. Ashtar Command's aspirations for our group
here on Earth were more long-ranging than we were
aware of back in 1996 and that fact is confirmed by
Korton acknowledging that the information now being
approved for public release had been set to be
allowed five years later. As the session starts, it
is actually the back half of a channeling session
that ran long and Ashtar had already finished
speaking. Korton is one of many guest speakers
present and it is from him that we now get the go
ahead to ask questions we could not get the answers
to when we had asked them before. Omal gets
the first of the questions and the answers he gives
lives up to expectations. Things like the how far is
the nearest space fleet from Earth, which president
actually signed the agreement with the Greys, how
many abductions had taken place by then, and some of
the actions of the secret government. On side two,
we get confirmation from Omal that not only is their
a higher dimensional Earth, it is a virgin planet
where not even Ashtar Command is allowed to visit.
Adding to the seriousness of the night, Wing
Commander Taal gives us a battle report where three
from the ships from the base on patrol were jumped
by an opposing force of fifteen ships of the Greys.
One of the pilots from the base was killed and his
ship destroyed before reinforcements arrived in the
form of Taal's patrol that was fortunately nearby.
As this was the second half of a session, another
session of thirty minutes night was added as filler.
Great filler though since Korton spends nearly all
of it answering our questions. What's funny is that
most of the subjects keep coming back to Star
Tia opens up the channeling
session from where she left off from the channeling
session "Ashtar, Harmonics, and Healing" posted in
October of 2018 with an analogy on how the
government works by using the example of a friend
who was living with us at the time. while the
subject started with tax cuts, it is followed
thereafter with topics that are debated in Congress
that had been in the news. Those topics included
abortion and affirmative action which elicits the
humorous of Tia as aggrieved applicant from another
planet who was denied a job. She wraps up with a
true story of a living saint and her motivation to
feed the world's poor. Next up is Korton who gives
us the words we had been waiting a long time to
hear, we had a green light to release the heavier
knowledge they had been holding back. Coming from
the head of communications of Ashtar Command, this
edict carried a lot of responsibility with the
approval. He reminds us we are eligible for
abduction and implantation though he reveals they
could use such an action against the Greys. Next up
is Omal to now answer all those questions we had
been holding back and we hit the gold mine with the
provided revelations. The first is that time and
space are finally grasped once you've ascended and
it is understanding both that takes place from
there. Next comes some great knowledge on the secret
government and our dealings with the Greys. All of
this may have been problematic to release in the
nineties but these days all of this information has
been running around on the web. What Omal is able to
confirm is now ready for prime time. Our ability to
share it with the world would have been far more
difficult back in the days when these archives were
recorded so this is a case of what we call a
timension. The right information at the perfect
Side two opens up with Omal
still giving us information available to a base
commander of Ashtar Command including the
confirmation of a higher dimensional Earth awaiting
humanity's arrival. As he says, no one is allowed to
disturb it until we're ready as a race to take our
rightful place as its new occupants. With Mark's
energy levels running low, he leaves so Wing
Commander Taal can have his time relating a battle
report he had been involved in where one of the base
pilots lost his life after being ambushed by the
Greys. One thing Taal does want to stress is that
inexperience was very much a part of the cause with
the three pilots on patrol failing to maintain their
training and procedures. The dead pilot we learn
left behind a bond mate and sons who were very
understanding of their father's sacrifice. If there
was a reason we started the Hades Base News, it was
to provide as Omal says the other side of the coin.
Tia takes over from there as Mark is borderline on
energy and we revisit the battle report of Taal's to
analyze the actions that took place. Then she
confirms before we shut things down that the
participants of the channeling sessions had an
active part in the two dimensions. We go on from
there to jump over to another session that was very
much all Korton's time for more questions and
answers from some other channeling session that only
had a half hour of tape. At one point, Korton lays
out exactly why it would take twenty-five years to
present this podcast due to the advancements we are
seeing now that tell us Ashtar Command was way ahead
of its time on purpose. Before that though, he
brings up the galactic Conference being planned and
Ashtar Command's position was in the initial
preliminaries. because of that, we ask about the
media changing the planetary consciousness with
shows like "Star Trek". Things get profound from
there as he reminds us we are the stuff of stars. We
finally end things on a discussion of linguistics.
In this session also, Mark's level of energy was
running low s Tia steps in to get us to the final
minutes of the tape. She follow-ups Korton discourse
on linguistics and the fact that her language is
only understood by others of her race and cats. We
close things out on her demonstration of that very
fact with a cat in the room. This session was the
bookend of a key night for us in our ascension path
as a planet. Next stop, a planet waiting for our
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra
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(Tia continues on from an earlier
part of the session)
Tia: what you do is you give the tax cut, right?
Tia: which stimulates the growth and then you start
to lay people off once the growth is starting to
occur. Those people, because of the growth and their
experience in government businesses, are ideal
candidates to work in the private sector. They have
inside political knowledge and organizing knowledge
on how the government works. Okay, let's say Johnny
here opens up his own catering company, right?
Tia: and a friend of his worked in the government in
getting business permits and so on, right?
Tia: now his friend comes to him and says, ”well,
I've got severance pay because I've just been laid
off at my job in the government working in the
permits department, right?" Now, Johnny has saved
money from working at Horizon. Let's say he's saved
Tia: and this other person has $10,000, right? And
he goes, "okay, let's open up a partnership. You're
a great chef, I've got the business acumen, you've
got the cooking acumen, let's open our own
restaurant". The knowledge that that person has
learned will speed up the process of Johnny getting
his business permits and building permits and
everything to open up his restaurant which in turn
stimulates even more the economy. Johnny's business
just opening up, you need suppliers, you need the
farmers to supply the suppliers, you need the guys
that sell the fertilizer, the seeds, and so on. So
one business has created more jobs. Can you close
the door please? It's getting a little chilly in
here and Mark's body temperature is dropping.
Tia: and I'm having to work overtime to get it
bumped up. So, by having a tax cut, what have you
Russ: you created trickle-down economics.
Tia: and it does work.
Russ: in some circumstances, yes, I'll agree with
Tia: and in what circumstances doesn't it work?
Russ: in circumstances where you have, like I say,
budgets going out. The government, that you're
talking about, wants to cut off the revenue to speed
up the money coming back in.
Russ: okay, checks are going to come due that can't
be paid for. You thought the government shut down
that we just dealt with a while ago was bad...
Russ: it would be nothing compared to the tax cuts
that are being predicted by the Republicans.
Tia: no, I beg to differ, I beg to differ
wholeheartedly. For example, there are a lot of
useless programs in your country that could be done
away with. There's a lot of programs overseas. For
example, what I read last week concerning giving
nuclear reactors and financial aid to North Korea.
Why do they need that financial aid? They've been
doing fine without it.
Russ: we know why. I read Mark the whole newspaper
report the other day or was it the other night?
Tia: hmm, I don't recall.
Russ: okay, the report stated that North Korea right
now is suffering some of the worst economic
meltdowns, I'll use the expression, that it's ever
experienced in its entire time. People all over the
country are not getting food, medical attention, and
the poor are getting a lot poorer. The middle class
is disappearing and the upper class is not helping.
Tia: okay, now what happens if it gets worse? Just
because you give them money, right? And food,
doesn't cure the problem.
Russ: no, but you don't give them money and food and
they go ahead and use those reactors, or those spent
fuel rods they've got to create some nuclear bombs,
to basically hold the country at ransom and go to
war thereby creating.....
Tia: they've already done that, it's too late for
that Russ, it's too late for that.
Russ: well, the country is going down the tubes then
Tia: exactly, why give them more money?
Russ: because they're going to get desperate.
Tia: why? If the people get desperate, what will
Russ: overthrow the government?
Russ: the Army controls the government.
Russ: the people aren't going to rise against the
Army, the Army would kill them.
Tia: that's right. But they will take care of
themselves, they will remedy the matter themselves.
So why give them one or two billion dollars?
Russ: because the Army and the people in control are
going to say, "well hey, look at the South, they've
got what we don't have".
Russ: "they're a country who are doing economically
Russ: "we want that country". Okay, it's been going
on for the last 40 years......
Tia: they can't do it because they don't have the
muscle to do it. They no longer have China as an
ally, they no longer had the Soviet Union, they
cannot do it.
Russ: it won't stop them from trying, they're
Russ: instead of rising up against the government,
the government will get them to rise up against
Russ: yeah, they'll kill off of bunch of people,
Russ: that's what I'm looking at.
Tia: and that's the way it is unfortunately.
Tia: but by giving them money and food, right?
You're just extending the due date on when it
becomes due and they rise up later on. It may not be
next year or the year after that but it's going to
come and whoever is in office is the person that's
going to be dumped with the burden. It doesn't
matter if it's Republican or Democrat. Whoever it is
and it happens, they're going to look pretty damn
bad. Okay, next question, Johnny?
John: well I mean, with politics being such as they
are, I mean I can't see where our conversation or my
opinion one way or another really makes a
difference. I really can't see how my lonely voice
makes a difference on this planet and it saddens me.
Tia: yeah true, it is a sad situation the fact that
it doesn't matter how many votes one party gets one
way or the other, right? Who really decides who gets
Russ: the electoral college.
Tia: correct. And as electoral college only makes up
15% of the population, right?
Tia: it's not the people voting in either Clinton or
Dole, it's not them. Who is voting in is the
electrical college, a selected bunch of individuals
and screw the fact that I'm butchering your
(laughter breaks out)
okay, who threw the banana skin on the floor? I
think I did, didn't I?
Tia: okay, let's move along.
Russ: abortion. Okay.....
John: what about it?
Russ: the Republicans, they want to end it.
Russ: according to Kemp, and this is in his own
words, he wants to give all the protection that they
Tia: what right does a man have to decide what a
woman does with her body?
Russ: I agree completely and that's why I'm saying
that they want to give all the protection that they
can give for the unborn. Now, what if they're
president, well they can........or a Republican
Congress, they can give a lot of protection. And
basically what Kemp said was, "persuasion, not
Tia: uh-huh. Given the facts....
Russ: well I'm sorry but a president can persuade
Russ: they were trying to pass in Congress numerous
Tia: they have no right to interfere in the decision
of a woman.
Russ: I agree. They feel they do.
Tia: end of subject.
Russ: thank you.
Tia: okay, next question.
Russ: okay, affirmative action.
Russ: Dole and Kemp want to eliminate affirmative
Russ: they've passed numerous bills, Clinton has
vetoed every one of them.
Russ: he wants to continue affirmative-action, okay?
Russ: I feel that is in the best interest of the
poor and the needy. With affirmative action still in
place, it gives them a chance to make it.
Tia: I'm going to scream discrimination for the
simple fact that they won't offer me a job because
I'm an alien and I'm a woman. The fact that I'm not
qualified for the job is besides the point.
Russ: the fact that you don't have a work card or
visa would probably have a lot to do with it too.
Tia: affirmative action worked fine to start off
with, it no longer works for the simple reason that
if I owned a business, right?
Tia: on your planet and I was legal, right?
Tia: and I applied for the job, right?
Tia: and they turned me down because I didn't meet
the specifications that they needed for it, I could
go screaming to the court and say, "they
discriminated against me because I have pointed ears
and I'm a woman".
Russ: but, here's the deal, any employer under
affirmative action who would hire you would then get
a $1,500 tax break.
Tia: can we rephrase that to a $1,500 bribe?
Russ: a $1,500 bribe to hire you....
Russ: because of the fact that you are woman with
Russ: as opposed to some white guy.....
Tia: who may be better qualified and do a much
John: now I've seen affirmative action in it's
reality, okay? And it came to point, I mean we're
pretty much past this, but I actually experienced
this. But here I was white, single, male, trained
professional and I had other people that were taking
jobs away from me that were under qualified and it
ended up where.......
Tia: you're missing one thing, angry, single white
John: yeah well, I did get angry. It was frustrating
Tia: thank you Johnny, I'm glad that you came and
explained it ten times better than I could have.
John: but yeah, I've experienced this....
John: firsthand and I found it very frustrating,
John: they're replacing me with two people.
Tia: and they're still saving money, they're still
saving a dollar...
John: and they're still saving money.
John: but what about me? What about me and my
Russ: look where you're at. Now I'm looking at the
Tia: yes, but the fact is that Johnny has explained
extremely well the fact that affirmative action does
not work. In fact it impedes growth. For example,
let's take Johnny, right? Johnny created Judy's in
essence, right? He made it what it is, right?
Tia: now, when Johnny was getting ready to leave,
correct me if I'm wrong, they brought in a new guy
to learn under you, right? They're now paying an
excellent chef, that cooks a little bit too spicy in
my opinion but that's besides the point, they're
paying his wages in the new person that's going to
replace him, right?
Tia: they're paying two sets of wages, what have
they just done?
Russ: how do you know he cooks too spicy?
Tia: because I've heard Mark's taste buds go pop.
Tia: but what did they do? They stimulated the
economy. By employing somebody that is an
apprentice, right? They're paying taxes for that
person, that person is in turn paying taxes, as well
as Johnny's taxes, right? You've got a person that
is the teacher and the pupil.
Tia: you're paying two sets of wages, right? You've
stimulated the economy. Even in a small, minute way,
you've stimulated that economy. Because Johnny has
now moved on to bigger and better things, right?
Tia: the person that replaced him will probably need
an assistant because of the legacy that Johnny left
behind of a growing and thriving restaurant, right?
Which in turn stimulates the economy even more. This
person's being paid a little bit less because he's a
new guy and won't get his pay increase yet. But,
because he is working and is doing a good job and
was taught by an excellent chef and is learning as
he goes, they will need to bring in somebody to help
him as an extra prep cook, or a sous chef. Is a sous
chef a second chef?
Tia: correct. So, you're stimulating the economy
Tia: I'll give you an example of what Johnny just
said having a fantastic effect. There was a lady
that was I believe somewhere in Eastern Europe,
Tia: her husband died or left her, she had seven
Tia: and she was quite wealthy but she always had
people showing up at her doorstep coming for dinner
and staying for dinner and then leaving. And it was
always, "this is your uncle Andre Adropoff", "this
is your uncle Leopold Stokowski", "this is your
uncle or a very close friend". And these people were
total strangers, very poor, very hungry and they
would come and eat at this lady's house even though
she was getting poorer and poorer herself. She
worked long hours stitching clothing, making
wonderful clothing to buy food so that these poor
people could eat. Her seven children learned from
this and in turn later on in life they returned the
favor by helping the community and so on. One of
them is still alive. In fact the youngest is still
alive. Do you know what her name is now?
Tia: I'll give you a clue, she lives in India now.
Russ: Mother Teresa.
Tia: she learned the most important thing is you
don't give somebody money because they will go off
and buy something silly.
Tia: you give them a loaf of bread, you give them
the soup, you make them the sandwich and in return
the feeling that you get is much better because you
thought it through. Instead of giving them money and
getting them out of your hair, you've help them.
Russ: when you said before you should teach them to
make the bread, to bake the bread and do all the
Tia: and now it gets heavy.
Russ: I thought it just got heavy.
(Korton has a lot to announce
as he begins to channel)
Korton: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Korton.
Korton: greetings Russ, greetings Johnny. Okay, let
us get down to business, communications is my field
as you are no doubt aware of. Let me explain that as
Ashtar stated, we have had our hand forced in this
situation. The current situation is a go
unfortunately on projects that we were working on
that had to be delayed due to lacking information.
We are now going with those projects without the
information we were looking for. This is a risky
move. The risk is ours and yours. If our
calculations are wrong with the data that is
missing, then we suffer and you suffer. You can go
ahead and release if you can locate them Tia's
predictions. You have a green light on going ahead
with Tia's astral travel. You have a green light on
explaining the intervention of certain hostile,
alien organizations. You have a green light on going
ahead and exposing governmental agencies and their
actions in connection with this alien problem. But,
a word of caution. Do this in a positive action
explaining that you understand why the aliens are
doing this and your heart goes out to them in their
error in their judgment and that one day you hope
that they will have understanding, love, and
compassion and will no longer use others as a tool
for their own ends. Questions.
Russ: yeah, a lot of the stuff that we're talking
about here is already out there so all we're doing
is confirming that information currently in
Korton: in essence, yes. What you're also doing is
painting the other side of the coin that has been
left out. You are telling the other side of the
story. The fact that individuals die to try to stop
these abductions. Individuals put their lives on the
line every day to prevent harm.
Russ: but that's my conclusion all along.
Russ: we should have it out there, I'm glad we
Korton: we were not planning to do this for at least
five years. We have had our hand forced in this
Russ: we do not have five years Korton.
Korton: I am aware of that fact.
Russ: okay. All right, news and headlines. Each week
I'm going to be asking if anybody's got any news or
headlines to add to the page. Obviously this will be
used and it will be accessed a lot more than will be
the regular news.....
Korton: I have already stated my news release.
Russ: oh that is the news release?
Korton: that is part of it, yes.
Korton: it be edited by you and Karra will use her
judgment as will Ashtar's statement.
Korton: an editorial will be delivered by Omal.
Russ: okay, all right. Shall I put that on as Omal's
desk or should I put that as separate?
Korton: letters from the commander's desk as it
Russ: okay, got it. Okay, on the aspect of the
secret government. Okay so, we're going to stay
within........with outside the gray areas, I assume.
Korton: you are going to try.
Korton: it is inevitable that you will be watched
from time to time.
Korton: that is something that you must learn to be
Korton: do not use your heart, use logic in this.
Russ: okay. So what we're going to do is we're going
to mix in the headlines with some human interest?
Korton: correct. Alien sightings, the occasional
Russ: do we add in abductions?
Korton: yes, locations.
Russ: woof, okay.
Korton: if we have any luck in deterring, you can
put that in.
Russ: can we also add in as you mentioned here,
those responsible for the particular ones that we're
going to be adding in?
Korton: correct. You can add in the groups of
individuals that are doing the abducting.
Russ: this is going to get heavy. Okay, I'm up for
Korton: I believe Tia warned you that it was going
to get heavy.
Russ: yeah, I didn't expect it, this is a shocker.
Okay, now then, on the question of Zeta Talk.
Korton: deal with your kettle first.
Russ: all right, I'll pause it. We're online. Okay,
on the question of Zeta Talk, we don't confront them
directly but we address the actions that they take
on their web page through our web page.
Russ: this is an alternative I take it?
Korton: what you do is you take their statements,
their comments, and you disassemble their
statements. Taking a sentence or paragraph at a
time, you put in the rebuttal explaining the
contradictions, the incontinuities, and our
statements in return.
Russ: okay. Yeah, they have quite a few mirror sites
which means that they get a lot of business and I'm
hating this see all the wrong information going out
to people who are gullible.
Russ: okay. The one point I've got is the lady who
contacted us who has channelings from Ashtar
Command. Shall we look to any more assistance on
that line as far as a mirror site there possibly?
Korton: possibly yes. You use that on itself. From
what statements I've heard concerning you and Mark,
does Mark not use your blade against you as a
Korton: do so with them.
Russ: okay, excellent.
Korton: I believe the correct phrase would be debunk
Russ: all right.
Korton: they are doing more harm. We are not angry
or upset, we are just concerned that the harm that
they are doing.
Russ: yeah, I didn't realize the scope until I
actually got in there and checked it out myself and
it's inconceivable what they're putting out there.
It's so many lies.
Korton: no, not lies. Half-truths, truths worded in
a way. They are like politicians, and when I say
politicians, I mean all politicians. They can turn
and twist things that are true in such a way that
they remain true but the meaning is totally
Russ: okay, so as they say, Zeta Talk is MJ-12's
mouthpiece and were working essentially on Hades
Base's mouthpiece here.
Korton: I do not like the term mouthpiece. It makes
us sound like a dictatorship.
John: what would be a better term to utilize besides
Korton: a voice of reason or logic.
John: thank you. Voice of reason and logic.
Russ: well it shows you the difference between the
John: right, it's important to clarify that.
Russ: they say mouthpiece, we say voice of logic.
John: reason and logic, I like using both.
Korton: either or either.
John: oh, or one or the other?
Korton: one or the other or both.
John: okay, I like using both personally.
John: now, with escalating all this, it is going to
put us in a position of being at a little bit higher
John: not just with our government but also with the
John: would this increase the chances of abduction?
Korton: sadly yes.
Russ: I haven't been implanted yet, I hope I don't.
It doesn't sound like much fun.
Korton: we have ways to circumvent their
Russ: oh good.
Korton: and if they do, we will use it as a weapon.
Russ: against them, good point, I forgot about that.
Korton: they implant you, and a very entertaining
analogy I heard is from Tia, they implant you with a
transmitter and you go achoo or rather you go achoo
on our command.....
John: oh, okay.
Korton: Johnny understands the analogy, please
explain to Russ.
Russ: yeah, I don't get it.
John: we'll talk about it later.
Russ: right. Okay, well the rest of this is all
basically worthless stuff on Zeta Talk which you've
already got reports on.
Russ: so there's no point in going over that. I just
can't believe that they tell us there was no such
thing as Atlantis and stuff like that.
Korton: it is hard to believe sometimes that people
will take and turn and twist things so badly. Okay,
Russ: thank you Korton.
John: thank you very much.
(Tia quickly transitions to Omal)
Tia: okay, next speaker.
(Omal provides such much needed
Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Johnny.
Russ: greetings Omal.
John: greetings Omal.
Russ: I think this is the first time we've gotten
all three in one room.
Omal: yes, it is unusual.
Russ: in one session, yeah.
Omal: it is not unknown but it has been some time.
Omal: it is a workout for the channeler's body.
Russ: it is a workout for us.
Omal: you may want to get him a blanket or something
as his body temperature is still dropping.
Russ: you got it Johnny? Okay.
Omal: okay, let us continue.
Russ: all righty, we have numerous stuff to go
through with you here. First off, I'm going to
address a couple questions I got from Serena and see
if this way I can get some answers that I couldn't
give her. All right, we know that fourth dimension
is time, fifth dimension is space.
Russ: what do we call the sixth dimension?
Omal: understanding. It is where the lessons of each
is brought together.
Russ: all righty. I know Taal's in....
Russ: so I'm going to save a question for him. Now
then, well I have a number of stuff on our
conspiracies that I need to go over with you.
Russ: but what I'm going to be doing is I am going
to read this as it was written for the sake of of
Russ: and if you'll please then just comment as we
go through each point.
Russ: all right. Now, facts to put on the webpage on
this report can then be confirmed or denied.
Russ: we don't have to go into anything more than
that if you don't wish.
Russ: all right. In 1953, asteroids that were
spotted turned out to be spaceships moving towards
Earth and the government arranged a meeting through
computers using binary code.
Omal: this was not so.
Omal: due to the fact that asteroids are asteroids.
You do not mistake them, or spaceships cannot be
mistaken for asteroids. If at a distance it appears
to be an asteroid, it is more likely that it is an
asteroid. If it appears to be is a spaceship, then
it is more likely that it is a spaceship. After all,
you would see the light from the vehicles before you
would see any shadows or any shapes. The shapes were
seen first so ergo it is asteroids.
Omal: as for using binary code, a primitive
communication device to communicate with a
spacefaring technology? You can put in I believe you
would say L.O.L.?
Russ: laugh out loud, okay. All right, yeah I was
going to say, where is the fleet? It's not there.
Russ: because they're calling it that the Hubble
telescope is keeping an eye on this thing and Mark's
been out there numerous times and hasn't seen
anything that looks remotely like that.
Omal: I believe the nearest current space fleet is
approximately 35 light years away and.....
Russ: it's yours.
Omal: increasing in distance.
Russ: who's is it?
Omal: it is a third dimensional......
Russ: oh, okay.
John: would that be what we would refer to as the
John: it is not the Greys.
Omal: no, it is not the Greys
John: would it be the Arcturians?
Russ: no, it is the Pleiadians, right?
Omal: pretty close.
Russ: pretty close, okay.
Omal: for them to arrive at your planet with the
vessels that they have, it would take them
approximately ninety to a hundred years at their
Russ: oh, okay. We don't have to worry about that.
Oh, on a side note, thank you for the short but
sweet tour last night.
Omal: you're welcome, we will come back at a later
Russ: okay. All right, I think I still saw things it
wasn't meant to see at this point but I understand
what you're talking about. All right now, okay
meanwhile, even though this didn't happen we'll go
on with this, meanwhile a human type of
extraterrestrial called for earth to dismantle
nuclear stockpiles and stop polluting and we're on a
path of self-destruction. Eisenhower rejected these
demands and instead worked with the Greys who then
landed Holloman Air Force Base.
Omal: okay, let us stop there.
Omal: okay. A spacefaring technology that could
demand the dismantling of nuclear weapons would be a
pretty powerful bunch of individuals. They would
have to demonstrate their capability. They would not
be stupid and be naïve and believe that just the
fact that they're a spacefaring race, they could do
as they wish. They would need to demonstrate. As for
pollution, you think their technology would not be
offered free of charge to clean up your planet if
they were so inclined?
Russ: I would think so.
Omal: so therefore again, it did not happen.
Russ: okay. Now how about the Greys at Holloman Air
Omal: yes, that is likely. Continue on your reading
Russ: they apparently demonstrated their power by
creating power outages that can be confirmed.
Russ: in which they could not turn the power back on
no matter how hard they tried.
Russ: okay, they said their planet was dying and
needed quarters to conduct genetic experiments so
they could survive. Said they would trade technology
and I.E. spaceships........
Russ: and other items. And the treaty was signed
with Eisenhower and our part of it was
non-interference and would keep their presence
secret. Their part of it was, they could abduct
humans but not harm them and return them to the
place they had abducted them from with no memory.
Omal: of course they have since reneged on this
Russ: of course they have.
Omal: actually it was not Eisenhower who signed it.
Russ: it was......
Omal: somebody who is just as dead as Eisenhower
unfortunately and cannot answer the accusations but,
he was involved in your government in a very key
instrument later on.
Russ: oh, good job Johnny, excellent dude. All
right, bases at Four Corners and S-4?
Omal: yes and no.
Russ: okay, at S-4.
Omal: no at S-4.
Russ: oh, yes at Four Corners?
Russ: hmm. Multi-billion dollar black budget for
this was established.
Omal: not multi-million.
Russ: no, multi-billion.
Omal: not multi-billion either.
Omal: not even that.
Russ: oh, you mean smaller.
Omal: much smaller.
Russ: oh, okay. According to the report, George Bush
who was CEO of Zabata Oil at the time arranged
shipments of drugs to come through......
Russ: okay, no then.
Omal: this is because at the time he already had
political aspirations. To be involved with drugs for
his political aspirations would have destroyed him.
Do you think that your press even back then would
not have snooped around and exposed him?
Russ: you would of think so, yeah.
Omal: correct. Do you not think that it would have
been exposed when he was president or even running
for his second term?
Russ: true, it would kill them. Kill any political
aspirations he had.
Omal: even at an early start, yes.
Russ: okay. MJ-12 was then set up to oversee all
developments with the aliens.
Russ: okay. Jason society and MJ-12 are in and in
fact the secret government?
Omal: and they are in fact the same thing.
Omal: they are just a different branch.
Omal: many members of one are members of the other.
Russ: hmm, and some who are in Jason society who
have no idea what MJ-12 is.
Russ: okay. Theoretically, one in forty people are
implanted with devices which control them.
Omal: think about the population of your country,
that would be a major undertaking.
Russ: that's what I thought.
Omal: even for somebody that is a superior
technological level. That would be a major
undertaking. That would be a mass abduction on a
nightly basis of two to three hundred plus just to
implant these implants. And as for tracking? You
would need a major force of computer technology and
individuals just to monitor these forty percent.
Russ: not right there.
Russ: okay, they say twenty-five million since then
have been abducted and implanted.
Omal: in actual fact, I would estimate that it may
be ten thousand at most in your country that have
been abducted. And as for implanted? I would drop
that down to maybe a thousand. Of those ten thousand
that have been abducted? I should say nine thousand,
five hundred plus have been returned.
Russ: hmm, by '89, three million Greys are now
within the earth complex.
Omal: no. Again, where would you hide them?
Russ: I don't know, I'm just like I say reading what
I'm getting here. Okay, so a significant number less
Omal: very much significant. Remove quite a number
of those zeros.
Russ: okay. Now what about the complex in Sedona
that we've talked about numerous times?
Omal: yes? It does exist.
Russ: it does exist and this part of the Four Corner
group you might say?
Omal: a branch office.
Russ: a branch office and these are connected by
Omal: the branch offices?
Omal: there are tunnel systems, certainly, and the
possibility is there but again it would be a major
undertaking and excavation that would take a
considerable length of time even with the
technology. After all, it took us close to six
months to carve out an area on the base for an
increase in habitation.
Russ: oh, okay. So the tele-complex would be for the
individual places that they're working from?
Russ: okay. All right, level VII at Dulce,
D.U.L.C.E. called Nightmare Hall.
Russ: where would be Dulce? The Four Corners area?
Omal: I believe so but I'm not familiar with it.
Russ: I'll try to find it but I doubt it will be on
any map I look at.
(Ed. note: it actually is on the map)
Russ: okay, this is why Russia dropped communism
because of America letting them know what was
happening over here with the aliens.
Omal: no...(with a chuckle)
Omal: you can put in again, L.O.L., laughs out loud.
Omal: the reason communism failed is because it does
not work with the amount of bureaucracy and
Russ: okay, good. This is also the reason why star
wars was developed?
Omal: star wars was developed to fight primarily
nuclear attacks and also be expanded for eventual
exploration and a possible search for
extraterrestrial life. More than is being done so.
Russ: okay. Yeah, because for star wars to work,
they would had to get the technology from the
extraterrestrials. Why give them technology that's
going to get rid of them in the long run here?
Russ: doesn't make any sense at all.
Russ: okay, announcements are soon to be made, in
cooperation with the Greys, for a landing at area 51
in which the world will be let in on a secret.
Omal: I cannot confirm that.
Russ: okay. Supposedly though they will be bringing
gifts. A cure for AIDS, cancer and aging. And they
say they come to save us from the Reptoids who they
actually already work for and that one currency, a
worldwide currency will then be developed. It's
pretty sci-fi at this point.
Omal: it sounds like somebody has been imbibing too
many happy tablets.
Russ: something like that or too many flowers, one
or the other, if they had them that is. All right,
supposedly there is the scenario of the good aliens
and bad aliens and MJ-12 is promoting the bad
Omal: I think MJ-12 is doing what they think is
Russ: best for them or best for us?
Omal: best for everybody concerned.
Omal: they are caught in a rock and a hard place.
Russ: now as you said, the Greys have reneged on the
deal. Does this mean the deal has then gone sour?
Omal: that would be self-.......
(Omal returns to the same
Russ: okay, according to Zeta Talk, they meet with
MJ-12 every Wednesday morning to work on the
continuing negotiation deal and everything else.
Russ: if the deal had gone sour, what's the point
Omal: we do not know. Whether or not these
meetings are occurring is an unknown factor to us
due to the fact that supposedly they are secret.
They probably do not occur on a weekly basis. I
should say communications of this level would
occur at least bi-weekly or even tri-weekly.
Russ: okay. Well this is the stuff I'm going with
now from Zeta Talk and what they are calling from.
Now they apparently also agree to the fact that
there are radical elements within the Zeta
Reticuli that do go ahead and go beyond the scope
of the original agreement. They say that these are
really people that they cannot control and try to
not judge the whole race upon these few misguided
Omal: certainly there are some misguided
individuals that do some very nasty things but,
not everybody is bad. Even the worst of the worst
do have some good, redeeming factors.
Russ: if we're talking about Sarah, I can't find
(Ed note: an abductee who life and death were
chronicled heavily in the archives)
Omal: unfortunately there are exceptions to the
rule but, the question concerning Sarah is, where
would it have gone?
Russ: if you guys hadn't of saved her?
Russ: she would be dead right now.
Omal: we do not know that.
Russ: well she wouldn't be in one piece, we know
that sure. Her brain would be seriously separated
between one section and the other section.
Omal: true, true. I cannot......
Russ: I mean that's just proof, we've got that in
front of us.
Omal: yes, yes we do unfortunately but the fact is
that where were they going with this? We do not
Russ: yeah, well that's true. We can't correlate
out from there but we can correlate, I mean, none
of it looks good. Unless she was seriously
deranged in the first place and they were trying
to fix it.
Omal: from what Kiri has said at the time that she
had spent with her is that she was very sane, the
conversations that when she talked she was very
sane. The glimpses of the girl is a very
inquisitive, intelligent young lady.
Omal: I do not see that she was deranged.
Russ: okay. According to the Greys, Tesla was
working for them.
Russ: according to the Greys, the Washington
Monument is a communication device.
Omal: oh yes and I'm the president of the United
States. Please vote for me at the next election.
Russ: well I would.
(Russ breaks out in laughter)
John: since Russ is getting all these L.O.L.'s,
okay, can I interject something here? Can I ask
John: is there a sixth dimensional base underneath
Omal: no. Your planet in the sixth dimension is
totally virgin. Even we are not allowed to walk on
John: okay, thank you.
Russ: thank you. You haven't gotten all the
reports yet on the Zeta Talk because I haven't
read most of them yet. I just got them printed up
here but certainly what I have, you'll be getting
more reports in the future and we will certainly
go over this again.
Russ: at the present though, this is all I've got
Omal: okay and we are starting to watch Mark's
energy levels drop.
Russ: all right.
Omal: you may hear it in his voice slightly.
Russ: well that's all I've got for now, let's save
some energy on him and go to somebody else
possibly. Thank you Omal.
John: thank you.
Omal: I'll be back. Live long, prosper.
Russ: we will now.
(Tia returns to bring on a very timely guest
Tia: okay well, we'll put on the next person.
Tia: notice he didn't do any of his normal
departing routine, just abbreviated it.
Russ: well yeah.
John: yes, he just cut out quickly.
Russ: it's been a tough session.
Tia: see you in a few.
(Wing Commander Taal debriefs
with us on a tragic battle report)
Russ: that was like gray area we went through
John: a lot.
Russ: we wandered through a bunch of gray area.
Russ: greetings Taal.
Taal: greetings Russ, greetings Russ' good friend,
Taal: how are you both functioning?
Taal: stand easy.
Russ: thank you. We're doing quite well.
John: functioning quite well, thank you very much.
Taal: okay, technical report on missing aircraft.
We counted them out and we counted them back but
one was missing. Sorry, in joke.
Taal: first of all, there is no such thing as bad
pilot. Bad pilots do not live long.
John: so you're eliminating pilot error?
John: is that what you're saying?
Taal: pilot error? We are trained very well.
Battle report from surviving aircraft. Appeared
out of sixth dimension, started patrol parameters.
Patrolled area from North California to Utah, down
to Arizona. Jumped over South Utah. Approximately
fifteen unidentified objects attacked, one
aircraft down. Attack occur from aircraft being
shadowed. From the ground came the bulk of the
force from the mountains. Unable to track at such
low level due to the fact of magnetic field from
planet and reflection from
mountain.......mountains, trees, and bodies of
water. Pilots not follow normal procedure of one
high, two low. They fly in group, inexperience.
Inexperience in this case proved deadly. Pilots
also very lax in following procedure. Fortunately,
patrol ending its patrol was able to arrive on the
scene. Unfortunately, too late. One aircraft down,
pilot terminated, all material beyond repair or
Russ: did you get any of theirs?
Taal: no. They ran when we arrived and when I say
we I mean we.
Russ: I'll bet.
John: was the Hades Base craft that was shot down,
was it shot down from the air or from the ground?
Taal: from the air but from below.
Russ: ships that came up from the ground from a
John: okay, I was curious about that.
Taal: not base, in waiting.
Russ: oh, in waiting? Okay, here is the official,
what I've got on the web so far in the headlines.
This week, the base mourns the death of one of its
pilots. While on patrol, he and his two squadron
mates were jumped by a much larger force of
hostile ships. He took a direct hit and was killed
instantly. His ship was unrecoverable and the
search for his remains were called off.
Fortunately, his comrades made it to safety
without taking any damage. We at the Hades Base
News send him and his loved ones our sincerest
condolences and wish him well on his new mission
and future life.
Taal: thank you, appreciate.
Russ: my pleasure.
Taal: his sons and daughters are fine, his wife or
bond mate is sad but understands that it happens.
Russ: okay. Would you want to release his name or
just leave that blank? Leave it as is.
Taal: leave it as is, you can add in tactical
Russ: all right, I'll amend that then to include
that. Thank you.
Taal: include the fact that it was
Taal: and failure to follow procedure.
Russ: all right.
Taal: that is key. Procedure is there to save
lives. If not, this is what happens.
Russ: yeah, well that's good for everybody, pilot
or people, I mean anybody would be good to
remember this. Now the question I've got is, why
can't ships watch from the sixth dimension into
the third and monitor any......?
Taal: because they are in motion. When not in fast
motion it is possible, when in motion, not
Russ: okay. So in other words, that's why you can
monitor this room now from sixth to third
dimension because no one's traveling anywhere.
Taal: I assume so but without communication with
technician hard to say.
Russ: okay. Yeah, I was just wondering why, could
you have like a group in sixth dimension standing
still monitoring the third dimension with a couple
of bait ships coming in and get jumped? They go up
to sixth dimension and the ones from sixth go to
Taal: there is a catch. The change from sixth to
third or third to sixth does take time.
Russ: oh it does?
Taal: approximately 30 seconds.
Russ: a lot can happen in 30 seconds.
John: would you consider what happened with the
Hades Base pilot, would it be considered to be an
John: would that be correct?
Taal: correct, I would say it would be.
John: he was ambushed?
Russ: with the one high, two low scenario, how
could this have been avoided?
Taal: because being high, you can see movement
easier. The two low act as necessary backup or
Russ: but even against those odds?
Taal: he would've been able to have warned them
and they could've retreated or being prepared for
Russ: now do you run simulator scenarios where
you're up against five to one odds like that?
Taal: we run even higher.
Russ: oh really?
Taal: we have been known to run twelve to twenty
Taal: then it becomes a fight for survival,
survival is the key. If necessary, eject, eject,
eject, kiss asshole goodbye, I'm out of here.
John: so, taking the same scenario that this pilot
lost his life in, a more experienced pilot in the
correct formation would have gotten his way out of
Russ: oh man, I'm just sorry to hear it had to
happen. I'm glad that we've now been able to
release, to put this information on the web so
that it's not just ourselves who realize you guys
are dying for us.
Taal: thank you.
Russ: many other people will see the same thing
Taal: I will pass on your thank you's.
Russ: our pleasure. Our thanks for helping our
race and hopefully in the future we'll get more
thanks from more people.
Taal: thank you, I must away.
Russ: farewell Taal, thank you.
(Tia makes her last transition
of this session)
(Tia comes on singing)
Tia: "I'm a little teapot short and stout".
Russ: which reminds me tea's ready.
Tia: "here's my handle....."
Russ: quite a session so far.
Russ: any more speakers?
Tia: no, that's it.
Russ: that's it?
Tia: we've had Lyka, Korton....
Tia: I was going through the guest speakers.
Tia: we've had Lyka, Korton, Ashtar and Taal. I
don't think we've had that many guest speakers.
Russ: no, that's a first.
Tia: for a long time. How may people have we had?
Tia: Kiri, Karra......
Russ: and then four guest speakers, that's eight.
Tia: I think that's a new high.
Russ: that's a new high, that's a full count. I'm
surprised the channeling room keeps them all in
Tia: it gets pretty crowded at one point.
Russ: I can imagine. With Ashtar there,
everybody's going, "okay, let's get Ashtar out of
the way first".
Tia: why do you think I was so quick to put him on
huh, huh, huh?
John: when Ashtar is there in the channeling room,
is his presence intimidating to a certain degree?
Tia: no, actually he doesn't appear. You know that
he's there but he doesn't appear until it's his
turn to speak. You'll hear me say, "well I must be
out of here" and he knows that he's next and I
will move over on the couch and there he
John: oh okay, okay.
Russ: that's Ashtar.
Tia: and then he will sit and listen and if he
wants to talk he will keep his form and he will go
and talk to somebody. If he doesn't want to, he
will just fade away.
John: I see. But he's still there, he's still
there after he fades away.
John: after his image fades?
John: he's still very much there.
Tia: yeah, you feel his presence but it's a very
relaxed presence. More of an inquisitive presence.
It's little bit like dealing with Leonedies and
John: ahh, interesting. Interesting analogy.
Tia: yeah, apart from it's a lot more intense and
John: is Ashtar a super operative?
Tia: oh, he's way above that.
John: he's way above that?
Tia: and Leonedies.....
Russ: this guy says, "Russ, how can you say that
Jesus is.....or Rasman, how can you say that Jesus
is below Ashtar?" I'm going, "I never said that
anywhere on the web page. Sananda is above Ashtar
and directs Ashtar Command".
Tia: that's correct.
Russ: well, the guy goes, "well, can you get to
heaven through Sananda?" I was having a hell of a
night tonight darling.
John: well yeah, but you can see where this could
be confusing to people.
Russ: I never......
John: well Russ, that's the big part of your job
is correct communication.
John: you know what I mean? And relating this
information to the people. And for them to
question this, is very much natural.
Russ: hey Tia......
Russ: I need to get one informational fact so I
can add it to the page....
Russ: and that is, which group is responsible?
Tia: Zeta Reticuli.
Russ: that is what I theorized on the chat
Russ: but I couldn't confirm it so I said I
couldn't confirm it.
Russ: since Omal says they're going to confirm who
Russ: somehow the last man couldn't get out of the
Tia: you know that's the only way that they can
beat them is to outgun them?
Russ: well inexperienced too.
Russ: he let us know they were up against somebody
more informed than the usual.
John: and as Taal brought up with my question was
the ambush. I mean it was an out and outright
Russ: yeah, if they had been better prepared that
wouldn't of happened.
Russ: they wouldn't have jumped them at all
because they would've seen the one high two
Russ: and would've seen the trap and wouldn't have
Tia: uh-huh. The fact that Taal's patrol was
getting ready to head back to sixth was sloppiness
on the Reticuli side. Because if they had waited a
little bit longer, they wouldn't have had the
backup there in time to save the other two guys.
John: oh, so the Reticuli could have taken out all
John: and in theory do a lot worse.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah.
John: yeah, yeah, in theory they could have and
should have taken out all three.
Russ: I would not want to be in the pilot's
barracks tonight or this whole last week after it
happened. I mean we're talking increased
Tia: from what I've heard, the two surviving
pilots were read the riot act.
Russ: oh my God, easily.
John: I would imagine.
Russ: imagine the guilt they're feeling in the
Tia: I think both of them are on extra training
duty, extra latrine duty......
Russ: I'd be polishing spaceships for the next
Tia: probably the next ten years, the rest of
Russ: oh my God. "What, you missed a spot, get on
Russ: "I want that ship spit".....
John: so there is some similarities between sixth
John: war machine and the third dimensional war
John: the politics......
Tia: no, no politics.
Russ: well like I was telling Johnny tonight, hey,
we're at war and we're on the sidelines.
Tia: no you're not.
Russ: well I mean....
Tia: I think Mark has the analogy that you guys
Tia: REEMFERS. At the it stands for rear
Russ: mother *&^%&%$.
Tia: something like that.
John: okay, which is not too far off of how Russ
puts it. Russ puts it we're on the sidelines...
Tia: oh no, no, no, no.
John: so we're not on the sidelines?
Tia: REEMFERS first are very important from what
Mark says. Ask Mark when he gets in. He will
John: okay I'm curious about that.
Russ: I'm not sure Mark will be explaining much of
anything when he gets back.
Tia: yeah, anyway......
John: it's been quite draining night for him.
Tia: anyway, we're down to borderline so I'm gonna
Russ: okay, we have half a backside here ready to
Tia: okay, I'll see you guys later.
Russ: thank you for an awesome night Tia.
Tia: you're welcome.
John: thank you Tia.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
John: see you next week.
Tia: oh yes, I will be here.
John: I'll see you sooner but we'll check in next
week for sure.
Russ: oh, session next Monday night right? With
you or Kiri?
Tia: yes, with me.
Russ: you, okay.
Tia: uh-huh. And I've got overcome my shyness,
is already in a discussion on the Conference as we
join the session)
Korton: the fact being that not much has been
stated or said, is because preparations are very
important and discussions are being held. If we
were to constantly communicate every little
action, then it would seem that we are being very
vocal but because of the upcoming debates, we have
to be very cautious in what we are saying.
Skip: okay, all right. In other words, you can't
let out any of the prelim secrets before they're
put on the table?
Korton: correct, it is a matter of
being......wearing a poker face.
Korton: so that we have to hold close to our chest
the cards that we have and that we have been
dealt. We have to play them as best as we can. The
hand could be extremely good or extremely bad but
either way we cannot say what we have because we
do not know what they have.
Korton: so by communicating vocally and loudly,
that could put us in an awkward position or put
them in an awkward position that would slow down
Skip: or completely destroy it.
Korton: correct. So it is necessary to play a very
cautious and very close hand.
Russ: hmm. Now one of the strange things when you
speak of things that are tough, for third
dimensional beings like ourselves, we as part of
Ashtar Command understand that we're part of a
galactic community. But a majority of the people
living here don't and yet we see on our
entertainment very often that that's trying to be
expressed more and more with our popular TV shows.
Korton: yes to a certain extent. Sorry, I did not
mean to interrupt, continue.
Russ: oh, no, no, it's all right.
Russ: well it's basically sort of a conundrum for
us to know that we are part of a galactic
Laura: but yet to deny it.
Russ: yeah, you have to deny it or be ridiculed
for it. Even though we see it on TV every day....
Laura: but it's like being showcased...
Laura: and not really taken seriously.
Korton: it is.....
Korton: it is a product that is being generated by
your popular media. There is a lot of people out
there but because as Russ just stated, they fear
being ridiculed, they do not say what they
believe. There is a lot of belief in the
advancements of the consciousness, but because it
is looked upon as strange and unusual and open to
ridicule, they keep their mouths closed which is
wise. But, eventually more and more people will
discuss and it will become more aware. There is
also the ego of a large group of individuals that
they are the best that they can be. They are the
advanced species and the opinion that they are the
only species in the galaxy or universe is a very
conceited and condescending attitude to other
species that are equally or more advanced than
Russ: hmm. Well there is going to be a large
cultural and social change coming onto the third
dimensional Earth in May when there is a couple of
things happening. First off will be a conjunction
of planets and there is also the new "Star Wars"
movie coming out.
Korton: oh yes.
(the group laughs)
Russ: well I'm just throwing that out there.
Korton: do you believe that that will aid in the
Russ: actually I do.
Skip: yes it has, it has.
Russ: I agree.
Skip: the first step to aiding this consciousness
was a series they called "Star Trek".
Korton: yes, we are familiar with "Star Trek". We
have been compared to that quite frequently.
Skip: no, no, no, no, no, I'm not comparing......
Korton: no, no, not you Skip. Other individuals
have compared the information that we have
released to being taken from scripts of "Star
Skip: oh, well I didn't even think about that.
What I was thinking about is the consciousness of
the people, the general population becoming aware
that we're not the only people in the galaxy
through this series even though it is
make-believe? A lot of people believe more into it
than the make believe people that built it.
Laura: I think a lot of the growth of
consciousness is caused by going back to where we
used to be like. In healing for instance, we're
going back to the old ways in order to move
Skip: we are.
Laura: it is rediscovering where we were more than
Korton: there is a lot to be said for the old
ways. They worked for hundreds of years.
Technology came along and did away with them but
it was learned that they were just as effective as
the technological ways. What is occurring is a
blending of the two. There are going to be many
problems to come of the blending of the two. You
can take the negative of both and blend them
together and make something even worse or the
positive of both or any combination. It is a
matter of striking the right balance. Sometimes
taking the best of both may not be the best.
Korton: taking the worst of one and the best of
the other may make it exceptional. It is a matter
of blending everything appropriately for the
situation. Somebody that may believe that
technology has the answer to all may not respond
to the bark of a tree, but somebody that believes
that the bark of the tree is better than
technology may not respond to technology. So it is
a matter of finding what the individual wants. It
is tailored healthcare.
Russ: Laura brought up an interesting point on
using the past. Isn't our race consciousness one
of a spacefaring race?
Korton: yes, it is.
Laura: this is more than just "Star Trek".
Russ: right, aren't these movies then just
igniting our race memory?
Korton: to a certain point yes. You have to
remember that many thousands of years have elapsed
since the initial spacefaring part of your race
arrived. But also you can take it to the extreme
and say that even though the spacefaring race has
been gone for many thousands of years, you are all
children of space. If you take particles and
atoms, and molecules that have been around for
thousands if not millions of years, those
particles, atoms and molecules have all drifted
through space to form you.
Korton: it is fair to say that you are all sons
and daughters of a star that has been long
extinct. So you are made up of the stuff of stars.
So even if a race was not spacefaring, it is, it
is from the stars that they came.
Russ: well that certainly connects us more
Skip: well it's been proved over and over though,
in fact by the artifacts that they found all over
Korton: uh-uh, but what I am saying that even if
you weren't from a spacefaring race, you are from
Russ: so it's a bit of a miracle we're even at
that point that we're all here.
Korton: no, it is not a miracle. Particles and
atoms drift through space, and molecules, and come
to rest on your planet. A particle or a molecule
from the other side of your universe drifts for
many millions of years, comes to rest and becomes
a molecule in part of you.
Skip: uh-huh, I'm following you, I'm following
Russ: now didn't we just have a huge explosion in
space outside of our galaxy where something the
size of the big bang took place and we got it on
the telescopes that captured the event?
Russ: what exactly does that mean for us, anything
Korton: no, not immediately. The fact that it was
detected means that it happened a long time ago.
Russ: yeah, 16 million years.
Laura: what about, this might sound silly, but
what about the face on Mars that they found. NASA
was trying to cover it up and say it was the
camera angle or something, it's really not a face?
Korton: hmm, we are entering a gray area. It is an
area we have to tread lightly. We cannot confirm
or deny any of these rumors.
Skip: a lot of people believe it and a lot of
people disbelieve it.
Laura: I do, I do, I believe it.
Skip: ahh well......
Laura: they got stuff that looks like pyramids.
Skip: I know.
Laura: how is that coincidental?
Korton: it is quite possible that once Mars was
inhabited. It is very likely. It is possible. I
say possible that it was once a dying planet that
was a waystation.
Russ: hmm, we could probably find evidence of that
if we looked hard enough on this planet.
Skip: yeah, I'm sure you could. Just too many
coincidences at this point. And coincidences I
don't believe in.
Laura: me neither.
Korton: hmm. Coincidences occur for reasons that
are sometimes obtusive at the time but later
become clear. Maybe hundreds of years or thousands
of years but they become clear eventually.
Skip: uh-huh. Oh they will, not in my lifetime but
Korton: for one reason or another. For a learning
lesson positive or negative.
Korton: so how is the antique business going Russ?
Russ: not bad, not bad. We're actually going to
try to expand up to 16 megs of video.
Korton: oh my.
Russ: just jumping down here.
Korton: Russ, explain what one of my hobbies are.
Russ: he collects antique computers.
Skip: he collects antique computers?
Russ: yeah, what we would think of as
top-of-the-line, to him would be fairly old and
Korton: they are entertaining to look at and to
see how they once worked. Or work now but how they
were developed. Knowing what we have and what you
have and seeing the technology get closer and
closer even though it may take for you a long
period of time.
Russ: well our Internet for the communication
ability down here has been growing faster than the
computers have been growing.
Russ: I mean they're getting to a point now where
each point that we increase in speed for accessing
the Internet, we keep running into bottlenecks
Russ: for example, our cable modems are now hugely
fast and able to get very quick information, but
the telephone companies don't have the technology
to put them into the system. Especially up here.
Russ: but the word is though that when that does
happens, and our speeds do increase on a scale
that a majority of people then have it, that the
communication abilities of the planet will then
speed up exponentially. What happens then Korton?
Korton: okay, what happens is that the
communication flow will accentuate the difference
between those that are computer literate and those
that are not. Those that are computer literate
will be in a position to market their wares in a
way that will benefit them and their growth from
those that are computer illiterate. Those that
don't comprehend the use of the computer will fall
by the wayside.
Russ: hmm. So our ability to reach out and touch
someone, well that should become more of a
Russ: because right now, the one thing we're
missing is the videoconferencing side, the ability
to see the other person.
Korton: with a cable setup, that will become very
Korton: we have a very vocal feline.
Russ: ganja yeah, he's pretty vocal. So I suppose
that's one of the things that either scares or
excites most people.......
Russ: the ability to see the person you're talking
to for a change.
Korton: where is the feline that had the tail?
Ahh, he is not with you anymore.
Russ: no, he's gone.
Russ: yes. So when we reach the nav point, we're
getting closer as far as what happens on Ashtar
Korton: no, far from it.......
Russ: just checking.
Korton: far from it.
Laura: this is "Star Trek".
Korton: yes, that is.......once the connections
are started to be made on a cable, there is the
next level. That is certainly fast but it still
has the bottleneck problem. When you have as many
users as there is space on the cable, you run into
the same problem you have now.
Russ: hmm, flow.
Skip: okay, then the next step is total air
Korton: yes, but there was a step in between. What
can contain more information than a metal cable?
Skip: glass, yeah.
Skip: yeah, fiber-optics or glass.
Korton: and from there you progress. You cannot
jump over one unfortunately. It would be nice, but
each step, the telephone line, to the cable, to
the fiberoptic, to air, you've got to have all
Russ: hmm. Well now Bill Gates is working on
something where it's a satellite communication....
Russ: that hooks directly to your computer.
Russ: isn't that sort of like air?
Korton: correct, that it is.
Skip: that would be air transmission, yeah.
Korton: they also have fiber-optic capability. So
all the technologies exist at the same time.
Russ: interesting. But we still have to go through
Korton: correct. The fiber-optics is not as big
but it is as important.
Korton: it will not be as the cable modems will
Russ: and then what about translation of various
languages throughout the world?
Korton: that is already being worked on I believe.
Skip: I believe that they're already coming up
with a multiple translator.
Russ: oh they are?
Skip: yes, yes, I've seen some articles on it that
they are working a multiple translator. Something
like a hundred and twenty languages?
Korton: I believe it is a hundred and twenty eight
which is a majority of your worlds languages....
Korton: or major languages.
Skip: yeah, to translate either way.
Russ: now that's a communication jump.
Skip: that's quite a leap in itself.
Korton: the problems that I see that are being
worked upon are the written word. The main version
used at the moment is (Carolina just minuscule?)
but there is also Cyrillic and the Japanese and
Chinese texts that present problems.
Russ: hmm, how computers sees the symbols and
translates into the languages that you're working
Korton: correct. It is okay with Cyrillic and
(Carolina just minuscule?) as one letter is one
letter, but with the Japanese and Chinese text...
Skip: the symbols represent letters.
Korton: correct, they represent ideas.
Skip: yeah. But now the spoken word would be
easier to translate than the written word.
Korton: yes and no. Unfortunately Tia is a great
example. She, when she talks Durondedunn, a slight
tonal difference in one of her words, or a word
that she says is a difference between goodbye
Skip: yes, in other words it comes out completely
Korton: correct. I mean it is such a minuscule
difference, that it would be difficult to make the
correct translation through a translation device.
And there are certain languages on your planet
that are the same.
Even the English language is the same.
Skip: well according to all the rest of the
world's communications, English and American is
Korton: correct. A good example of that is what is
time? Let us hear your answers, what is time?
Skip: what is time?
Skip: about 9:30.
Russ: the passage of one moment to the next.
Skip: what is time?
Laura: it is a way to keep track of your daily
Korton: it is also a herb.
Skip: that's correct, it is.
Korton: uh-huh. If I ask the question, what is
thyme? And I am holding a......or I am asking
about herbs, and you say....
Skip: it's 9:30.
Korton: I do not think that it is 9:30.
Korton: it is about 9:30.
Skip: it's almost ten I think.
Russ: it is 11.
Korton: I was about to say is about ten. Okay so
you see the problem with your....
Korton: communication and translations.
Korton: oh, what is oh? It is an exclamation or it
is a letter of the alphabet. Oh, I see.
Korton: it is an exclamation or it is a letter.
Skip: I think the biggest problem we're running
into is because our language is backwards
according to the rest of the world.
Korton: it is a very mixed up language is the
Laura: compared to dialects, when you have the
British English and the American English dialect,
the British English sounds like proper?
Skip: yeah, but is still backwords. We put our
adjectives first before our nouns. The rest of the
world don't do that, they do it the other way
Korton: well if you listen to Treebeard, he does
that as well.
Skip: yes he does but I can understand that.
Korton: uh-huh. He thinks.......he translates as
Skip: yes, literally.
Korton: yes, very literally.
Korton: another question. What is see?
Laura: a body of water.
Russ: a letter of the alphabet.
Laura: it's what you do with your eyes.
Korton: correct. See, it is very difficult if you
Skip: unless you're following the line of
conversation that's going on at the time.
Korton: correct. So you would have to program a
communication that would translate in context to
what is being said.
Skip: in the general thought pattern of the
conversation that's being presented.
Korton: correct. I saw seesaw sitting on the
Korton: okay, I think we have.....
Korton: drifted away from our various topics. But
it is in the same vein of communication the fact
that we have got back to where we started with
Treebeard and his linguistic ability.......
Skip: uh-huh. uh-huh.
Korton: is I believe a credit to how we all have
kept the vein of the subject and headed back to
the original starting point.
Korton: and I believe we are running low on space
on your recording device.
Skip: uh-huh, probably.
Korton: so I will say a fond farewell.
Skip: thank you.
Russ: farewell Korton, it's good to see you again.
Laura: thank you.
Skip: been pleasant.
(Tia gets us to the end of the
Tia: ta da, hi.
Skip: hi, you sound ornery.
Tia: yeah, I'm back as ring mistress.......
Skip: I know you're back.
Tia: just for the night.
Skip: you're always back.
(Skip starts to chuckle)
Tia: you want my hair to stand up and start
Skip: no, no, just be nice, be nice, be nice.
Tia: okay, okay, I'll be nice, I'll be nice.
Skip: just for a while.
Tia: yeah. Korton's quite correct, inflection in
my language, my race is very important.
Skip: yeah, I know.
Tia: I mean just a slight, yeah......even a facial
Skip: expression changes the meaning of the word,
Tia: so, he's very correct that it would be
difficult to translate. It would be much easier to
translate the written text than it would be to
translate the vocal text.
Skip: well, now on our world the written text is
going to be a real challenge, a real challenge.
Tia: well it is actually already being done.
Skip: well like the Oriental language is done in
Skip: which is thoughts or sentences or whatever.
Tia: yeah, it's good that you bring that up
actually because the translation of written text
from English to a pictographical language has
already happened. The Japanese have done it.
Skip: oh they have?
Tia: yeah, they had to do it because none of their
computers that they got. I mean can you imagine
having two thousand keys on your keyboard?
Skip: not hardly.
Laura: no way.
Skip: I'd get lost even trying to see where the
Tia: uh-huh. It would be a pretty big board as
well. But they actually had to do that. They
didn't go for a large keyboard because that would
be next to improbable or impossible, so what they
had to do was to learn English.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Tia: but there was a way around it.
Skip: so they built a translator?
Tia: uh-huh, they had to.
Tia: so it is already happened that the
translation from English to another language.
Tia: and it's becoming more and more common, there
are more and more computer programs out there that
Skip: well now we even have pocket devices that
will translate back-and-forth four or five or six
languages I believe it is.
Skip: in the written form.
Skip: yeah, and they're battery operated pocket
Tia: uh-huh, very Star Trekian.
Skip: I am sorry?
Tia: very Star Trekian.
Skip: yeah, well it that's what you want to call
Tia: but I think Korton brought up some
interesting topics for further discussion later
on. Okay, I think the tape's getting pretty close
to being done on that side.
Skip: yes it is. Okay, thank you.
Tia: no problem. You guys talk, don't worry about
switching it off and as Mark's not in his body,
you can talk as much as you want. You can jump up
and down have a rage. You can have a party. Just
let me put my earplugs in until I leave. You've
got to remember, I have very acute hearing.
Tia: I can hear the heater, I can hear the wind
out there, I can hear your heartbeats, I can hear
the feline purring. Where did he go?
Skip: down by your feet.
Tia: oh, is that where he went. I can hear him
purring. Don't want his energy field too close.
(Tia talks to the cat in Durondedunn)
Tia: yeah, we don't want the energy fields
interrupting each other, it wouldn't work. Yes?
Skip: no, no, no.
Tia: okay, talk amongst yourselves.
Skip: thank you. We'll see you next time.
THE TAPE ENDS
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