Ashtar, Harmonics, and Healing- Channeled (10/09/96)

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Archivist Notes: As we close out 2018, we have a channeling session that stands apart for several reasons and a three-part editorial series on "The Sirian Chronicles". One of the first reasons is we are honored with a visit from Ashtar who stopped by to dispute reports that Ashtar Command would no longer have any dealings with earth going forward. He emphatically puts those fears to rest. Harmonics provided a second and third reason for this session being special because it was during this one we learned their importance in all of life's aspects. One way is in Kiri teasing us with an anti-gravity workshop and the other is Karra's demonstration of how harmonics can be used to heal. A nice bit of comic relief in the form of our waking our good friend Carrie who we had scheduled to join us for the session. Waking her up to get her involved put those plans of the back burner for the following week.

   The call to Carrie was supposed to be the start of side one but our initial tries kept getting a busy signal until side two. In the meantime, Tia got us through two guest speakers starting with Lyka who had some issues getting to the session after getting the summons last minute. Bruised and bleeding, she jokes around about coming to visit us from the base in a UFO before quickly filling us in on happenings on the base. She makes way for Ashtar to come on and channel through Mark though it would take a toll on Mark. He was there to refute statements by alien races who had claimed Ashtar Command no longer worked with our planet. He did so as well as make a statement about the Command's commitment to protecting us. He finishes by answering questions including one about a very dear friend of ours. Tia has to fill in for a while due to Ashtar's effect on Mark's body so we go over first how the media is talking more about healing through a spiritual process before moving onto the politics of the day. Jack Kemp and Al Gore had just wrapped up their vice presidential debate earlier so the upcoming election was a hot topic. She repeats a report she heard from our media about who is really running the White House and ends for now covering TWA Flight 800 and its tragic end due to a fuel tank explosion. That leaves Kiri to finish up the side of the tape and she does so by going over the frequency of the earth and harmonics. That leads to a conversation that gets us to side two on the theory of how to build an anti-gravity machine.

    We continue with theorizing how to defeat the laws of gravity on side two though Kiri was on a tight leash as Omal kept the conversation out of the gray area. Kiri was attempting to get out guest Skip to go into a cascade of thoughts which she had helped him do previously. The channeling session changed gears at that point as we gave a former guest Carrie when she lived in town a call. We caught her asleep so we tabled her call with us to the next week. After the call, Karra joins the channeling session to follow up on Kiri's topic of harmonics and the role they played in the healing of another dear friend of ours who had attended a few sessions. She was out of frequency with her spiritual self and had been healed by modulating both frequencies using harmonics. That lucky experience let Karra expand on the unseen world of harmonics and how their use is often overlooked such as how the changing of an individual consciously changes their frequency and thus harmonics. Left unsaid but demonstrated is how harmony is the matching of harmonic notes. We switch speakers after a question about the frequencies of water where crystals have been added change the water but are denied the answer pending further research on our part. Tia comes on to get us to the end of the side and begins by using the singing bowl Karra had been using to get a nice ringing going. The subject of her demonstration Skip has to leave so the rest of the session had only two people to ask questions. Those questions went back to the topic of importance here on this planet which was politics. Being third dimensional as ourselves, she was able to give us a unique look at the presidential election through fresh eyes. She gives us an idea of who she would have voted for among the past presidents before more on to the present and the proposed tax cuts being considered by Congress. We end the side comparing the working of a state as opposed to the workings of the government.        

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
LYKA RUSS (Archivist)


2.)(7:57)- Ashtar makes an honored visit after getting reports there were claims Ashtar Command no longer was protecting our planet. He quickly puts those claims to rest.
3.)(13:39)- Tia discusses the politics of the time with a presidential election soon to take place. We also discuss the assassination of JFK and tragedy of TWA flight 800.
4.)(22:12)- Kiri answers a question about instrument failures in aircraft reported recently before helping with a debate we had been having about how to construct an anti-gravity device.

2.)(5:02)- Karra talks about the unique harmonic frequency everybody has and how it can be used for healing oneself and others. She uses a singing bowl as an audio aid to get her point across.

3.)(18:01)- Tia spells out the penalty Kiri would have faced had she given out too much information about anti-gravity and who she would have voted for among the former presidents of the United States.

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(Tia gets us ready for a call to Carrie)

Tia: ......felicitations and welcome to this channeling session of October the 9th, 1996. Present this evening is Skip, Judy, John and just arriving right now is….

Russ: Moi.

Tia: Russell. Okay right, before we make that telephone call, any questions?

John: there we go, we’re online.

Tia: nevermind, we're going to change the subject. What’s this?

Russ: what’s what?

Tia: oh, we’re going to call her straightaway?

Russ: oh, what did you want to do?

Tia: I thought we’re going to wait until…..

Russ: we told her 7 o’clock, it’s seven….

Tia: oh you did?

Russ: yeah, it’s 7:35.

Tia: okay, well we better give her a call.

(The phone is dialed but is busy)

(Tia laughs)

Russ: no it’s not, we can hit redial.

Tia: okay. Well in the meantime, questions.

Skip: yeah, am I ever going to slow down?

Tia: no. Why, do you want to?

Skip: I don’t know, it’s sure getting hectic.

Tia: well you take it upon yourself, the only person that can slow you down is you. It’s your nature, you’re one of these nice people that has the I can’t say no, you know?

Skip: well, I’m going to have to get that way.

Tia: it’s up to you, it’s up to you. How do you feel about being hectic? Are you happy?

Skip: it’s exasperating.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I can’t seem to get enough done.

Tia: well time is a slippery thing.

Skip: slippery ain’t the word for it.

Tia: well….

Skip: it’s like a piece of ice that keeps melting through your hand.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, Judy, questions?

Judy: what’s going on?

Tia: well we’ve got a very, very hectic schedule tonight, we'll get everything out of the way first before we get down to the serious stuff.

Skip: we're gonna have to leave by 9 o’clock tonight.

Tia: okay that’s no problem, that’s why we’re going to hustle through with you. What I will do is we have oh, two guest speakers, we have Omal, we have Kiri, we have Karra……no, we have three guest speakers now. Okay we’ve got a real crowd in here tonight so we will start and we will put on the first guest speaker which can only stay for a few. Oh no, four guest speakers, this is too many.

(Our first guest speaker Lyka comes to the channeling a bit bruised from the trip)

Lyka: okay.

Russ: hi Lyka.

Lyka: yo.

Russ: can only be for a few huh?

Lyka: yeah, I’ve got get back to my office.

Skip: how you doing sweetheart?

Lyka: I’m doing fine, I’m all set, I’m ready and I am a lean, mean fighting machine.

John: that little bump on your head didn’t hurt you too badly did it?

Lyka: nah, I’ve had worse.

John: yeah I’m sure you have but you were bleeding weren’t you?

Lyka: oh I took some ice, I am…..

Skip: suggestion darling.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: take off your steel shoes on the marble floors.

Lyka: I didn’t have time, it was sort of like, “can you get down here?” “Well, let me put something……right now? Okay, I’m on the way.” So I hoofed it.

Russ: she'd have to have bare feet.

Lyka: I didn’t want to undo all the straps and everything......

Russ: oh.

Lyka: I have to take it from down here.

Skip: oh okay.

Lyka: uh-huh. Okay….

Russ: Skip, this is all yours dude.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: what?

Russ: it's all yours.

Skip: it’s all mine?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah, go for it.

Skip: well I want to meet this lady.

Lyka: you want to meet me?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: (laughs) don’t we all.

Lyka: well I'll see if I can grab a UFO and make off with it. I can use platoon strength, take a UFO and hop down there. Can you put up 30 individuals? Well 29, my commanding officer won't be able to come, she'll get into trouble.

John: oh yeah, we can put up 30 individuals….

Lyka: uh-huh.

John: for a little picnic gathering type thing?

Lyka: uh-huh.

John: oh sure, not a problem.

Skip: how long do you want to stay?

Lyka: we’ll probably only be able to stay for maybe a week or two.

John: oh no problem.

Lyka: yeah we'll do it in the winter when there's lots of snow so we can ski and have fun.

Skip: well wait till the winter flies up.

John: yeah, we'll wait till the snow flies and you guys can come on down and yeah, I’m sure Russ wouldn’t mind putting you guys up. I mean if he......

Skip: we can separate them.

Lyka: uh-huh.

John: sure.

Skip: you don’t all have to stay in the same billet do you?

Lyka: no, no, all within a 100 mile radius, 30 of us. Well 29 lean, mean fighting machines.

Skip: yeah, you don’t have to all stay in the same billet, we can split things up.

Lyka: just kidding, I can do any of that, I wish I could. I’m only a second lieutenant.

Skip: oh boy.

Lyka: uh-huh, it would be nice, I'd like to come down there for a break, I’ve only heard stories. I’ve been to the third dimension though.

Skip: well I'll tell you what believe it or not Lyka but this is.....what would you call it? Trying to think of the word and can’t seem to get my mind working tonight.

Lyka: have you thought about taking up acting lessons? You sound just like that gentleman that was in "The Spirit of St. Louis Story".

Skip: oh, well that’s about the way our….

Russ: oh Lindberg.

Lyka: James Stewart?

John: yeah, Jimmy Stewart starred in that, the classic version.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

John: yes, Jimmy Stewart.

Skip; yeah Jimmy Stewart, he kind of hesitates and that's my problem I guess.

Lyka: Kiri mentioned it.

Skip: oh, yeah, this would be like the dark ages to you down here.

Lyka: oh great, be able to do some arm wrestling, throw a few people…

Skip: we got some people down here who that would just love that.

Lyka: oh.

Russ: hey darling question for you.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: okay I’m going to be telling this to every speaker coming in tonight but with this new change in the webpage…….

Lyka: uh-huh.

Russ: and we've now got base headlines.

Lyka: okay.

Russ: yes so activities are going to be updated once a week as to what’s going on on the base.

Lyka: okay, the ex-commanding officer that shipped back to Sirius due to her pregnant condition gave birth a fine baby boy.

Russ: congratulations, this is just what I wanted to hear, thank you.

Lyka: okay, now I’ve got to depart, I've got to get back down to the barracks, I’ll see you guys later.

Skip: thank you.

Judy: see you.

John: thanks for coming, bye.

Skip: appreciate it Lyka.

(Tia returns to user in a very important guest speaker)

John: looks like the Kiri monster.

Russ: Tia.

John: oh it’s Tia. Excuse me, sorry.

Skip: whoops.

Russ: you can tell because she’s the ring mistress.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: whoops.

John: I apologize.

(Tia snarls something in Durondedunn as a jest)

Russ: she said fine baby boy right?

Tia: yeah, in fact that’s old news, the baby boy is about two months old.

Russ: yeah well this is the first time we’ve put the news on.

Tia: okay, I'll see you guys shortly.

Skip: okay darling.

Russ: bye.

(Ashtar honors us with a visit)

Ashtar: greetings and felicitations everyone.

Russ: greetings.

Ashtar: let us proceed with tonight’s discussion.

Russ: okay.

Ashtar: it has been brought to my attention that certain alien organizations claim that we do no longer work with your planet.

Russ: this is true.

Ashtar: this should be rectified.

Russ: I agree.

Ashtar: I received reports from the base commander concerning such situations. You have questions in relation to this?

Russ: yes as a matter of fact, how do we address this in a way that would make it unquestionable?

Ashtar: with communication with your medic friend, her idea is quite correct (Karra). The idea of putting news in the newsletter is the ideal thing. We were not planning to do this just yet but our hand has been forced so we will have to do so. Include in your news section like one of your wasteful news mediums listing articles such as events concerning us, events concerning you and us, editorials I believe you would call them, such details on comparisons with information released by the Zeta Reticuli and other groups and in doing so put in an editorial that you would put in and your medic.

Russ: okay, thank you. We could also address questions to the channeler of this information.

Ashtar: correct.

Russ: now, I’d like to address a question that will give them pause for thought.

Ashtar: okay, the question being? Oh, you wish me……

Russ: ahh yeah, something that you would suggest that would make them go, “oh, maybe we haven’t mistaken this possibly?”

Ashtar: the light work that we continue to do with individuals in various groups throughout the planet is evidence enough. Individuals that work outside the system and try to get information out concerning such detrimental information. Individuals from areas such as Sedona, such as from the East Coast, Australia and other parts of the world. It is self-evident that we are working, we are still with your planet. We did not leave as it was stated we left in a huff, we did not. We had to rethink our actions due to the fact of certain groups behaving in a harmful way. We still work with light and understanding but we also have to take into consideration that certain organizations wish for us not to be around due to the fact that we interfere with their world which is our primary purpose is to protect you.

Russ: uh-huh, well on behalf of all of us, we thank you very much for the work you have done even though you don’t get thanked enough I don’t feel.

Ashtar: that is part of the job description as you would say.

Russ: hmm.

John: does this put Mark at a risk with this whole situation?

Ashtar: yes and no. Mark is a lot more cautious than he appears to be, it is in his nature.

Russ: okay.

John: good, thank you.

Russ: we know you’re busy so….

Skip: can I ask a dumb question?

Ashtar: there is no such thing as a dumb question, ask.

Skip: where did all this come from this people trying to say that you’re weren't here or wasn’t working with us?

Ashtar: it is like your news reports released by other parties, it is designed to drive people away from us, it is designed to draw people to the more harmful individuals that masquerade as helpful.

Russ: hmm.

Ashtar: they are the ones that put out the information with the help of certain agencies.

Russ: thank you.

John: are these agencies jamming the Internet when Russ and Paulette get on the chat line and try to make some intelligence out of all this?

Ashtar: we are looking into that.

John: thank you.

Ashtar: thank you I must depart.

Russ: thank you.

Skip: thank you.

John: thank you very much.

(Tia focuses on matters involving our planet)

Russ: Ashtar I take it?

Tia: yeah, it was Ashtar, not Omal.

Russ: no, we knew it wasn't Omal….

John: right.

Russ: I thought it was either Korton or Ashtar but he came on too serious for Korton.

John: yeah, yeah.......

Russ: so he’s on the base huh?

Tia: yes.

John: that was Ashtar.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, whilst we let Mark’s body get back to normal….

Russ: okay, I’m going to pour some tea, anybody else want some tea?

Skip: I’ve got some, thanks Russ, I appreciate the offer.

Tia: in the meantime, whilst we let his pulse rate get back to normal…..

Skip: got a question for you darling.

Tia: yeah.

Skip: I just read a media in our third dimension, they are coming up with the spiritual aspect of healing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: which they have found works very well.

Tia: yeah it does, it does and we’ve been preaching that for how long have you been coming, what? Three years now?

Skip: oh yeah at least three, well no more than that, more than that because......

Tia: yeah.

Skip: I’d say closer to five.

Tia: yeah well we’ve been preaching that for a long time or Karra has…..

Skip: yeah.

Tia: and all of a sudden it becomes in vogue? It kind of makes Karra feel good, she’s sitting there glowing at the moment.

Skip: yeah I’ll bet she is…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I’ll bet she is but it works.

Tia: oh it works tremendously.

Skip: Newsweek come out with almost the whole magazine……I’ve got it in the car, I’ve been reading it at lunchtime because I always read the features.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: that spiritual and scientific healing works hand-in-hand.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: there’s about two or three different articles in the Newsweek I got in the car.

Russ: I’ll have to go and pick one up, I haven't picked it up.

Skip: no, you can have the one I’ve got.

Russ: okay great.

Skip: I think it’s an older issue and I just happened to get a hold of it.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: should we call Carrie now?

Tia: yeah, let’s give her a try.

Russ: hit redial. Yeah, let's hit that.

(We hear the phone dial again and get another busy signal)

Tia: (sighs)

Skip: she’s still busy.

Russ: well, we told her we’d call.

Tia: uh-huh, she's probably got it off the hook. I can go and have a look but I won't be back for a while if I do that.

Russ: well just take a long break between channellers.

Tia: okay, well we could do that but, still a little fast. I’m going to save the next two guest speakers for a little while.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay?

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, let me answer any questions.

Russ: well how many do you want?

Tia: let’s go one from each of you to start off with. We'll start off with the senior person first.

Skip: what?

Tia: okay, you got a question?

Skip: no, you've pretty well answered the one I had.

Tia: okay, Judy?

Judy: I don’t know what’s going on so I’m just here.

Tia: I do know how you feel.

John: yes, it looks very much so like President Clinton and Al Gore are going to be reelected.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: it’s going to be the first time since Theodore Roosevelt….

Tia: that a Democrat….

John: that a Democrat…

Tia: has done more than one term.

John: correct.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: now I’m taking this as being inevitable and how does that……I mean I know it differs with your political beliefs and Mark’s personal political beliefs….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: how does it affect the whole scenario?

Tia: it’s Plan B., situation B.

John: we’re strictly on a Plan B situation?

Tia: yeah, as soon as the election is over and it’s definite, it’s Plan B. Okay, here is a news report, there was a private fund-raising dinner party where Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton…, Al Gore and Hillary Clinton attended and it was closed to the press but somebody brought a tape recorder with them. This tape recording has gotten out, somebody managed to get a copy of it and it is Mrs. Clinton said, “when we are reelected, we will be able to do what we really want, Al Gore and myself. Whilst Tipper and Bill go off and do what they want to do, we can get down and really get things going the way that we want them.” I’m just paraphrasing, I’m not saying word for word because I don’t have my report with me. So, they’re pretty sure they’re going to get reelected, they’re also going to start doing what they want to do which is going to be pretty harmful. There’s going to be a lot of increases in taxes and unrest……sorry?

Skip: go-ahead, no, no, I'm just.....

Tia: uh-huh. So it goes very well with what has been said in the past that it's not Bill running the country…..

John: it’s Hillary and Al Gore running the country.

Tia: correct.

John: let me slide in another question.

Tia: okay.

John: Russ and I had a conversation today and we would like a copy of the Cooper tape…..

(a debunked conspiracy theory that the driver of the car shot the president)

Tia: uh-huh.

John: the assassination of President Kennedy….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: from a different perspective. We were wondering where we could obtain a copy, Mark mentioned the Internet.

Tia: be very, very careful when looking for stuff like that.

John: okay now Russ is interested in this tape…..

Tia: uh-huh.

John: okay? I’ve seen it.

Tia: so has certain governmental agencies.

John: right, I don’t have any interest in it, Russ has an interest in it. I mean I’ve seen it, I know what I saw….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I know in my heart what really happened….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: how Presisident Kennedy was assassinated.

Tia: I don’t have that much information on it, it’s not the field that I deal with except for looking at past events and probabilities, mainly economical and some political.

John: because Rush should use some caution…

Tia: yes.

John: in trying to obtain a copy of this.

Tia: okay now Rush, sitting there patiently, you have a question.

Russ: flight TWA 800….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it's been mentioned in several places, downed by friendly fire and it’s being covered up?

Tia: there’s no such thing as friendly fire, ask an ex-soldier. Skip, is there such a thing as friendly fire?

Skip: nope, no way.

Tia: uh-huh, even if it’s accidental it’s not friendly.

Skip: it’s not friendly even if it’s like you say even if it's accidental.

Tia: uh-huh, even if it’s your own side, it’s not friendly.

Skip: somebody’s got an iron in the fire.

Tia: uh-huh and you get hurt regardless of whose side it is. Okay let us go back to Skip.

Skip: they seem to think there's been a missile went through that aircraft…..

Tia: I don’t know, I have seen the full reports.

Skip: and it didn't explode.

Tia: it’s possible. If it ruptured the fuel tank….......

Skip: then the fuel tank explodes.

Tia: yep, that would….

Skip: that’s exactly what they’re coming down with….

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: on the investigation.

Tia: yep, if a missile went through, punched through the wing and carried on going with the amount of fuel on board from just taking off like what was it?

Skip: 11,000 pounds.

Tia: uh-huh, that’s a lot of fuel.

Skip: yeah, that’d be minimum, 11,000 pounds.

Tia: uh-huh and it was a long-distance flight, I think it was full to capacity.

Skip: yeah, well if it was full to capacity that be pretty close to 20,000 pounds.

Tia: uh-huh, just think of that fuel igniting.

Skip: and that kind of gas goes really good.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: makes its own bomb.

Tia: yep. Okay, Judy, question?

Judy: no thank you darling.

Tia: okay. Okay, I will put on the next person.

Russ: all right.

(Kiri gets us to side two)

Kiri: okay, okay, okay, okay, now whom am I?

John: Kiri.

Kiri: thank you.

John: I apologized to your sister, I mean I just thought you were flying in earlier.

Kiri: oh I’ll let you off on those comments. Okay right, okay let me get down to business. Notice my hands never leave the end of my arms.

Russ: Kiri, want to try her again?

Kiri: in a minute, in a minute, let’s get down to some important matters. Okay the gentleman is still alive, he's not in remission at the moment, he's going through treatment Skip.

(A future guide of Skip's who was still alive but dying from cancer.)

Skip: okay.

Kiri: okay?

Skip: thank you.

Kiri: we’re keeping a very close eye on the situation, my grandmother has been in contact with him when he’s in his deep states.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: so we're still working on that. Now, cascading, do you want to cascade or us to attempt to key in words?

Skip: if you……yeah, why not? Sure.

Kiri: how awake are you?

Skip: well, I’m pretty well bushed out so if you want to pass tonight I’m…...

Kiri: yeah, I think it would be best because looking at your aura….

Skip: my mind's not working correctly tonight at all.

Kiri: well it’s kind of catch 22, it would be the perfect time but the fact that you have to drive and because in your lower state……..what we could probably do is set it up one day that you guys hold the channeling session down there and then we can get Skip to cascade.

John: oh okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: hey, I appreciate that.

Kiri: yeah, that way you wouldn’t have to drive and…

Skip: that'd be neat.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: thank you.

Kiri: no problem at all, we will work on that, we will get Mr. Slurping His Tea to act as chauffeur.

John: he’s a good driver.

Kiri: okay, Skip do you have questions at this time?

Skip: yeah I got one that doesn’t have anything to do with what we’re talking about.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: I heard an article that the 757’s….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: are having problems with their computers.

Kiri: that is correct.

Skip: they’ve lost I think four ships in the last…..

Kiri: 2½ years.

Skip: yeah and all of them have come down to the point of where the computer has just more or less malfunctioned completely.

Kiri: well the problem with the computers that they’re using is the fact that they’re not top, top of the line. These are older aircraft that have earlier computers, they add more stuff into them and anybody with any computer experience knows that the more you add in, the more likely the computer is to crash. Once the computer crashes, you have no instrumentation or anything to guide you. You're aloft, you don’t if you’re banking or whatever especially if you’re in a cloud bank, you're totally in trouble.

Skip: well now they just lost one that was headed for Lima….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and it crashed and killed all 90 on board.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I think the day before yesterday or something?

Kiri: yes, actually I think it was like Friday.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: but anyhow the black box, the pilot says, "none of my instruments is working, I don’t know if I’m up or down or where I’m at."

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: the commentator that was putting this out said that the older pilots that learn with turn and bank instruments, magnetic compasses, could find their way back.

Kiri: and the commentator was Paul Harvey correct?

Skip: I’m sorry? Yes it was, yes it was.

Kiri: next question? Skip?

Skip: no I’m okay.

Kiri: Judy?

Judy: no thank you darling.

Kiri: Johnny?

John: yes?

Kiri: do you have a question?

John: okay, is there any validity to the story about Jack and the beanstalk?

Kiri: yes in an indirect sort of way.

John: okay, thank you very much.

Kiri: it is more of a moral tale.

John: than a literal tale?

Kiri: yeah. It is some truth on the gullibility of individuals and it probably did happen to an individual and some fantasy. It’s about 50/50 actually.

Skip: in other words don’t mess with the giants or get eaten.

Kiri: uh-uh but the question is who is the giant?

Skip: yeah right.

Kiri: uh-huh. Is it a giant intellect, giant in statue or what? Who knows? It was written a long time ago or it wasn’t, it was told a long time ago and written only in the last what? Two hundred years. Okay.

Russ: frequency of the earth please my darling.

Kiri: oh, like I have that information written on the hand.

Russ: we worked on this yesterday so you’ve had plenty of time to prepare so slacking off now will not be an excuse that can be accepted.

Kiri: what is my primary job Russ?

Russ: engineer.

Kiri: thank you, I have certain projects I am working on.

Russ: this is merely two strokes of the computer.

Kiri: it’s low on my list of priorities.......

(we can hear Skip and John snicking in the background)

I think it’s about 2,000 MHz but I’m not sure offhand. However, however as you guys were discussing last night, if you throw in magnetism into the formula using superconductors and helium, you can get a very, very good effect on anti-gravity.

Russ: we don’t have superconductors, we do have magnets.

Kiri: uh-huh, you need pretty powerful magnets too, preferably magnets that work on probably about 42 Gauss.

John: that would that be electromagnets?

Kiri: correct, your friend will know what a Gauss is.

Russ: yeah I do too.

Kiri: okay good. It’s a very, very narrow margin as well, 43 is too much, 41 is too little. You can break it down into subsections and experiment within that area.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but that’s all I can really discuss at this time.

Russ: okay, what do harmonics have to do with the equation?

Kiri: harmonics are very, very important but it is something that you guys have to reason yourself. If I tell you, then I might as well tell you how to build an anti-grav motor, simple as that. That’s how important they are.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: you have to figure that out on your own however, once you guys figure it out, then we can discuss it.

Russ: okay, do you want to go around again?

Kiri: well I’m looking in that direction, come on Skip, come on.

Skip: it ain’t working.

Kiri: close your eyes….

Skip: it ain’t working, the mind won’t work.

Kiri: close your eyes……

Skip: okay.

Kiri: and think harmonics and whatever comes into your mind say it.

Skip: well it’d have to be low pitch, real low pitch.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because the higher pitch you get, the less, the less reaction you get.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: it’d have to be very low pitch, it would have to be amplified….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: you’d have to build a hell of an amplifier.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I don’t know, with today’s technology you could probably build a hell of an amplifier with just……just about the size of a pack of cigarettes.

Kiri: okay now describe what you’re seeing because I can see an image.

Skip: it don’t want to come together.

Kiri: okay describe the pieces that you've got.

Skip: well looking at a little box with a great big speaker but that isn't going to work.....don’t want to work just ain't coming right.

Kiri: pen and paper.

Skip: sorry about that.

(Kiri draws a picture)

Skip: low pitch.

Kiri: okay, there’s your box.

John: it’d all have to do with sound and vibration correct? Vibration, isn’t that…..?

Skip: no, the vibration you don’t need and you need the sound to create your harmonics. The vibration you don’t need, that’s why I say the big speaker won’t work because you’re creating vibration with a speaker.....

John: and it’s not necessary?

Skip: it’s not necessary.

Kiri: okay, there's a cross view, that’s what you’re seeing.

Skip: more or less yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah more or less. In other words, the same as a telescope mirror.

Kiri: that is as far as I can go without getting into trouble and I’m pushing the envelope there.

Skip: yeah it’d be a mirror of sound rather than sight.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: a concave sound disk……

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: to make it simplified.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah but what I was trying to fathom is how to make it portable and still generate that kind of harmonics so it would raise itself, not have it hooked to something else.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because if you do that, then you could turn your sound mirror toward the ground and actually raise it.

John: right but you'd need......the power source would have to be contained within what you’re weighing off the ground.

Skip: that’s correct and not have an outside power source.

John: so it’d have to be totally independent.

Skip: that’s right.

John: and that’s the key that we're missing.

Kiri: it’s really quite simple but……

Skip: yeah it is if I can just get it put together.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: a battery won’t do it because a battery doesn’t have enough power. A solar unit would do it if we could generate enough power with a solar unit but the solar units that they got now don’t generate that much power.

Kiri: oh yes they did……..




(Kiri stays on subject.)

Skip: .......but the carbon chips that we're using today which are very common okay?

Kiri: can you shine a light in here please, like a flashlight?

John: yeah, I’ve got one right here.

Kiri: now is that coming back brighter? Focus it, there, that works.

Skip: focus down on the spot.

Kiri: yeah. You see what’s happening? Now change the shape of this……

Skip: to a concave.

Kiri: correct and what happens?

Skip: you get heat.

Kiri: correct. The more you focus it…..

Skip: okay the more heat you get. You turn heat into…..

Kiri: energy, is simple.

Russ: steam.

Kiri: no, then it takes too much.

Skip: steam is ancient, steam is......

Kiri: (speaking to Omal).....okay, thank you Omal.

Skip: is way out.

Kiri: okay we're going to have one last try.

(the phone dials for third time)

John: there you go.

Russ: whether she’ll actually be there.

Kiri: no she thinks she’s gone to bed.

Carrie: hello?

Kiri: hello, did we wake you?

Carrie: oh *&%$#.

Kiri: oh we woke you. That’s all right, you go back to bed and we'll talk to you again next week okay?

Carrie: didn’t we have a channeling session set up?

Kiri: yes we did.

Carrie: oh God.

Kiri: and we tried earlier but you go back to sleep because you need your sleep okay?

Carrie: oh.

Kiri: that’s all right.

Carrie: no I feel so bad, it totally slipped my mind.

Kiri: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay here’s a quick joke for you before you go back to bed. Okay what’s red and white and all……what’s red, white…..ahh I can’t even think of a joke properly. Okay tell you what, we'll schedule for next Tuesday night….

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: okay? We’ll go for a 7 o’clock start their time, that’s California time which would be 9 o’clock your time?

Carrie: 9 o’clock my time.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: write it down.

Carrie: okay wait, okay, well I don’t have a cordless on me so let me…..

Kiri: I’ll tell you what we’ll do….

Carrie: I will write it down.

Kiri: okay but we will get Russ to give you a call on Sunday night and again on Monday.

Carrie: that would be perfect.

Kiri: okay?

Carrie: that way he reminds me so I totally……I cannot believe I forgot, I’m so sorry.

Kiri: that’s all right.

Carrie: I had finals last week and I just spaced everything off…..

Kiri: you got your results?

Carrie: I did good, I got a B, not an A but I got a B.

Kiri: well hey, that’s pretty good.

Carrie: yeah it wasn’t as good I wanted but…..

Kiri: true, true.

Carrie: I just totally spaced everything off and I feel so bad.

Kiri: oh that’s all right, you’ve had a lot on your mind. Okay….

Carrie: 9 o’clock.

Kiri: yeah and don’t forget you’re meant to be cutting down on those cigarettes.

Carrie: hey, I’ve done really good.

Kiri: oh I got some news for you, guess who’s stopped smoking cigarettes?

Carrie: huh?

Kiri: guess who’s stopped smoking cigarettes? Mark did.

Carrie: nuh-uh.

Russ: almost.

Carrie: did he really?

Kiri: yeah, he’s only had one in like two weeks.

Carrie: wow, that’s excellent.

Kiri: anyway, we’ll let you go back to bed now.

Carrie: okay I’m so sorry.

Kiri: that’s all right, that’s all right, don’t be sad.

Carrie: oh I feel so bad.

Kiri: don’t.

Carrie: okay tell Russ, Russ are you there?

Russ: yeah, I’m here darling.

Carrie: can you hear me?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: he’s there.

Carrie: please don’t forget to call me and remind me this weekend.

Russ: I will, don’t worry.

Kiri: he says he won’t.

Carrie: promise? So that way…..

Russ: out of the two of us I think I’ll remember.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: and I’ll harass Mark so that he knows.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: okay? So you hop back into bed.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: okay?

Carrie: I love you guys.

Kiri: love you too.

Carrie: thanks for calling.

Kiri: bye.

Carrie: bye.

(we hear the phone hang up)

Kiri: okay, now that’s taking care of, I will hop out and put on….

Russ: are you coming back?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: good.

Kiri: okay, that’s why it’s a two-parter tonight.

(Tia makes the quickest of transitions between speakers)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hey Tia.

Tia: okay, I have to put on the next person and I will be back.

Russ: okay.

(Karra speaks about the benefits of harmonics)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hey Karra.

Karra: hello.

Skip: good evening Karra.

Karra: greetings Skip, how's it going?

Skip: just fine, how about you darling?

Karra: I’m doing fine.

Skip: great.

Karra: uh-huh. And how you doing?

Skip: how’s the little ones?

Karra: the little ones are doing fine.

Skip: good.

Karra: uh-huh. Yes all three of the little troublemakers.

Skip: darling they’re all troublemakers when they’re little.

Karra: yes especially when they reach six-years-old like Klarra unfortunately.....

Skip: yeah.

Karra: she's turning into a little bit of a madam, she reminds me of my younger sister at that age, a real madam. Not in that sense dear.....

(Russ chuckles)

Karra: although I think if Kiri lived on a third dimensional level she would be. Okay, do we have questions or am I going to just sit here and orate for a while?

Russ: well I've got a few but I don't want to take up all of them.

Skip: no go ahead, go ahead Russ, go ahead.

Russ: all right, if you insist. Karra, the healing that we did with Paulette and Sun Par........

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: in a verbal form......

Karra: yes.

Russ: as to bring the two together and what actually happened and how did it fix itself up?

Karra: well what was actually happened was that we took one vibrational frequency and brought it up and took the other vibrational frequency and brought it down so that they matched. The problem that Paulette was having is the fact that Sun Par was vibrating at a higher frequency then Paulette was so we had to bring and match them so that they evened out and work together instead of vibrating totally differently.

Russ: hmm.

John: now is Paulette going to need another healing?

Karra: from time to time yes but not that often.

John: not that often.

Karra: just words will be of tremendous support.

John: and this has to do with what she calls her bipolar energy?

Karra: that is correct.

John: it is the same thing we’re talking about?

Karra: yes, is that you have energy at one level and energy at another level and you have to bring them together so they're no longer split. By bringing them into sync and harmony together, you create a harmonic frequency that resonates out of the body between the entity and the physical and it vibrates together in tune. For example, if Russ was to hum at one note…

(Russ starts humming)

Karra: and I was to hum at another note…

(Karra hums at a higher note)

Karra: see they don’t sound good do they? One is higher and one is lower. If we were to hum the same note on the count of three…..two, one…..

(Karra and Russ hum at the same note)

Karra: see, our notes are pretty close together.

John: yeah it’s more pleasing to the ear.

Karra: that is correct. Now imagine that on a physical and spiritual level, the fact that you have one at a high-frequency and one at a low-frequency, it is bound to cause some problems because it is not harmonic. So by bringing them into a harmonic alignment right, what happens? The instrument is tuned and it is pleasant to hear for both parties and therefore it works much better.

John: so right now Paulette is harmonically balanced.

Karra: correct, with Sun Par.

Russ: so this goes back to what Kiri and I were talking about concerning harmonics and the matching of frequencies.

Skip: uh-huh.

Russ: I see.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: but it’s not only just on a physical and spiritual level, harmonics play a much bigger and more important role than people realize. I’m not fully versed on the engineering side, you’d have to ask Miss Mischievous that is standing on her hands at the moment.

Skip: well then, using the spiritual and physical harmonics, a healer can heal themselves?

Karra: yes and other people. You have to be sensitive to other harmonic frequencies of individuals. Everybody has a different harmonic frequency. Some people are very close together and other people are quite far apart. Somebody that irritates you for no reason whatsoever has a totally different harmonic frequency that is irritating.

Skip: okay, now one further step.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I’m a gifted healer…..

Karra: yes.

Skip: to begin with.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: does this say that I’m consciously sensitive to people’s harmonics……

Karra: yes.

Skip: that’s why I can heal them?

Karra: well you had the ability as most healers do to fluctuate your harmonic frequency. You can go from a high frequency to a low frequency. There are some people that you can’t help due to the fact that their harmonic frequencies are too far out of your range either way, they're either too high or too low. For example that gentleman that you work with if my report is correct if she stays upright, there’s a gentleman that you work with that you find that you get on with but he’s very irritating and the problem there is that his frequency is too far away for you to match.

Skip: okay, alright.

Karra: that's why you get on well with most people is that you have that frequency that you can adjust and match to match their frequency.

Skip: oh okay and I do that unconsciously?

Karra: it’s a built-in program that makes you feel comfortable that you’ve had from an early age. When you’re very young, you're isolated from other people’s harmonics and their frequencies but as you get older, you get opened up and if at the right age you learn how to get on with a lot of people by adjusting your frequency, then you continue to do that through the rest of your life. The more exposure that you have to other people at an early age, the easier it becomes.

Skip: okay that explains something then because when I was a small boy I always kind of hung around with older people.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: I always did.

Karra: well again older people have a lower harmonic resonance level than younger people. As younger people have higher pitched voices…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: they also have higher pitched frequencies.

Skip: okay.

Karra: the older you get the lower the note drops.

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: some people don’t lose this frequency, they stay at a high frequency and they burn incredibly bright and very active, very boisterous, very much like a child in their boisterousness......

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: but yet in an adult form. This is because their frequencies are very high. In a lower frequency they individual can achieve a much greater range of experiences and ability. A high frequency tends to burn an individual out.

Skip: okay, that makes sense.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: thank you.

Karra: oh no problem, glad I could help. Next question?

John: does light, pure light have a harmonic frequency?

Karra: everything has a harmonic frequency.

John: everything?

Karra: everything. Let me show you. Handle please? There we go.

(Karra gets a singing bowl singing)

John: I always thought that was a mortar and pestle. Yeah I mean it's very similar to your conventional.....but I had no was kinda laying....

Russ: singing bowl.

John: singing bowl till Mark told me about it which was just recently. 

Skip: okay the same thing can be accomplished with a wet finger on a crystal glass.

Karra: correct.

John: oh yeah.....

Karra: thank you Kiri.

John: you bet ya.

Karra: needs to be polished.

Skip: hear it?

Karra: seems to have been damaged here, oh well.

(gives the bowl a nice tap)

Karra: that works just as well.

John: yeah, that has a good ring to it.

Karra: yes but that has a harmonic frequency also.

Skip: this is....I think this is why bells are cast.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: they're not machined, they're cast.

Karra: right, that's because it is easier to achieve the harmonic frequency necessary.

Skip: and by changing the properties of the metals change the tone of the bell.

Karra: correct and it is the same with people, change the individual slightly and you change their frequency.

Skip: okay.

Karra: we have just had a revelation have we not Mr. Healer?

Skip: do what?

Karra: you've just had a revelation did you not?

Skip: more or less.

Karra: uh-huh.

John: back to my question about light.

Karra: yes, it does have a frequency, it does have harmonics. It is so high-pitched that bright light not only hurts the eyes but hurts the ears as well.

John: that’s a little bit better than what you gave me before.

Karra: uh-huh, okay.

Skip: and the darker the light, the deeper the mood.

Karra: correct.

Skip: it’s the same with colors.

Karra: correct, colors have frequencies.

Skip: the darker the color the deeper the mood.

Karra: uh-huh. For example, this is black is it not?

John: that is black.

Karra: you cannot get much darker than that. What does black suggest?

Skip: funerals.

(Skip laughs at the humor of it)

John: for me it represents sincerity, professionalism.

Karra: Russ?

Russ: absence of light.

Karra: see, all different definitions but all of them…..all those comments suggest that something a little bit is darker, not dark as in negative but as in void of light as Russ put it.

Skip: very few people have seen ultimate darkness.

Karra: true.

Skip: I have.

Russ: you mean pitch black?

Skip: pitch black where you cannot see….

Russ: yeah I’ve seen it.

Skip: you have? Okay, there are very few people that have Russ.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: in the mines, when you turn off your headlamp, it’s ultimate darkness.

Karra: okay, any more questions for me?

Russ: uh-huh, in the question of.......we're working right now with elixir’s…

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and harmonic elixirs.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the color of the stone that we use in the elixir matches a frequency.

Karra: correct.

Russ: if we match a sound to that color with experimentation.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what happens to the elixir?

Karra: I would take away from the learning lesson, I’m sorry.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? Any more questions, because we have…

Russ: two tapes.

Karra: okay, but we need to be wrapping up this part.

Skip: thank you.

Karra: no problem Skip.

John: thank you very much.

picks up the singing bowl to complete Karra's presentation)

Tia: Skip, come here, come close.

Skip: what?

Tia: okay, hold the bowl like it’s being held there and you feel the harmonics. Can you feel it vibrating down through your fingers?

Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Tia: and as it gets louder, it works its way down. There you go....

(Tia makes the bowl ring)

Tia: feel it getting further and further down your arm?

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: now, you probably adjusted your frequency to match that. Feel a little bit funny don’t you?

Skip: yeah a little.

Tia: uh-huh, you see your body is adjusting to its frequency and the change in frequency kind of goofed you up but that’s what your body does you see? Karra asked me to finish up for her because she couldn’t do it properly.

Russ: no problem.

Tia: okay, anymore questions for me? You got lots of questions, we'll get to them in the second half alright?

Russ: I’m in no hurry.

Skip: okay darling, we're going to have to head down the hill….

Tia: okay.

Skip: and you go ahead and do your thing.

Russ: got it.

(the tape starts up again after being stopped)

Tia: she was really, really pushing it, in fact she got a few looks from Omal and it was sort of like….

John: well yeah you could see that when he gave her those looks, I mean you could see her react through Mark’s body......

Tia: yeah.

John: and she knew she was pushing it.

Tia: uh-huh, it was just as well Omal was there, otherwise I think she would’ve stepped over that line by quite a bit.

John: and what would happen? Would there be a punishment for that or a reprimand?

Tia: she would get a reprimand which would go on her permanent record and if it happened again she would go home.

Russ: to Sirius.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: back to Sirius.

Tia: yes.

John: oh really?

Tia: and never be allowed back to Ashtar Command.

Russ: yep.

John: so she would be basically deported over this essentially?

Tia: yes basically, deported and never allowed back.

Russ: they have to have some kind of restrictions.

John: oh yeah that’s understandable.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: otherwise we’d have little spaceships landing in our backyard here giving us all kinds of technologies we could use to make ourselves lots of money or she could give us the lottery numbers next week.

John: right.

Tia: pity about Carrie. Okay, let’s get down to business.

Russ: politics darling?

Tia: yes okay……

Russ: all right.

Tia: uh-huh. This is where it’s going to get boring I’m sorry but it’s got to get boring.

Russ: yeah afraid so. Okay, Kemp and Gore.

Tia: I haven’t seen the full report on that yet as I had to prep up and get ready.

John: oh yeah but they just finished tonight, they just finished it up.

Russ: okay, now we’re talking about Kemp’s version of the future compared to Gore’s version of the future…

Tia: yeah?

Russ: okay as you say Gore runs the country, in that case the vice presidential debate had more emphasis tonight to look for then the Clinton debate with Dole.

Tia: correct.

Russ: okay, so in that respect, let’s go ahead and take it from the first part.

Tia: okay let me pertain something in advance…

Russ: okay.

Tia: right? You have to remember that it’s not just Gore, it’s Hillary Rodham Clinton and Gore.

Russ: she wasn’t there so we have to just rough it….

Tia: when Bill says something right? He’s been prepared in advance by Hillary as a rule. Makes logical sense correct?

Russ: uh-huh.

John: it’s a technique used in politics.

Tia: yeah, yeah, oh I quite agree but I’m taking this election now and how it’s going to outcome later on, not what’s happened in the past, that plays a part, that plays a very important part. For example, Bush to start off with had been preprogrammed…..

John: really?

Tia: by Reagan, he was Reagan’s man. But….

John: right and who was Reagan preprogrammed by?

Tia: he wasn’t programmed by anybody actually.

John: Reagan wasn’t programmed at all?

Tia: no, no, you have to remember that Reagan……

John: wasn’t it an actor being programmed?

Tia: because he was an actor, that makes him very hard to be programed. He can learn the lines it makes him wonderful at learning lines but if you watch some of his movies right? And the outtakes, he’s a very, very accomplished comedian. Comedians cannot be programmed very well. Another person that was programmed and sadly it backfired on him was Nixon, Nixon was programmed and he had been programed for years and years and years. When he left the military, that’s when his programming started. Another individual that was programmed was Kennedy, Kennedy was programmed, very much so.

John: very much so.

Tia: by his running mate, Lyndon B. Johnson. Lyndon B. Johnson was not programmed, he was one of those people that was supremely good at manipulating other people. In fact it’s almost the same situation that is happening now, happened in 1960 with Kennedy and Johnson and Gore and Clinton.

John: okay, good analogy……

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I can respect that.

Tia: yeah, my political opinions bear no relevance in my political analysis. I admit that I'm a little bit more conservative, I’m not as conservative as Mark but I am more conservative than what is common in your political system. I would not vote for Dole, I would definitely not vote for Kemp, I wouldn't have voted for Buchanan, in fact I don't think I would’ve voted for anybody that ran.

Russ: what about Powell?

Tia: would not have voted for him, military leaders as a rule do not make good political leaders, there are exceptions to the rules.

Russ: what about if John F. Kennedy was running again?

Tia: who?

Russ: John F. Kennedy?

Tia: oh JFK?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: would not vote for him.

John: what about Eisenhower?

Russ: what past presidents would you vote for, Lincoln?

Tia: yes, Lincoln is one. Ford, nope wouldn’t have voted for him.

Russ: Carter?

Tia: definitely not, there was somebody that was not programmed and was not very good at his job either. You know, I don’t think there is anybody this…..there is one person I would’ve voted for….

Russ: who?

Tia: Calvin Coolidge.

Russ: Coolidge huh?

Tia: uh-huh because he was honest, he tried hard, he worked hard, he stuck to his principles and unfortunately he paid the price. He only did what? One term?

Russ: uh-huh. What about Teddy Roosevelt?

Tia: no, he was very manipulated.

Russ: FDR, he was controlled, for the situation he was in…..

Tia: oh, I’m sorry, mistaken, mistaken. FDR is the one that was manipulated, Teddy was not, Teddy was too strong.

Russ: oh.

Tia: he was.......

John: too independent, too strong?

Tia: yes, he did some great things but he was also very harmful.

John: it looked like he was doing a good thing….

Tia: yeah.

John: and that was his intention.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: the long-term effects were detrimental.

Tia: yeah but he tried to do what he thought was right and he stood on his principles. I would have voted for him yes, just, just. It would’ve been a real tossup between him and probably Coolidge if they were running at the same time. Woodrow Wilson? I would lean more not toward voting for him but if I had a choice of let’s say Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Kennedy, then Wilson would just about win for the fact that he tried to reason logically instead of emotionally.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: but his reasoning and logic was flawed.

John: now this is hindsight looking back.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay now looking at the current situation, I wouldn't vote for any of them, I honestly would not vote for any of them. However, let us stick within your questions Russ.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, what is your next question?

Russ: tax cuts across the board. Republicans propose tax cuts across the board….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: the Democrats propose tax cuts for the middle class….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and basically for the most poor of our country.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: to help them get on their feet. Now the tax cuts across the board are based on a $550 billion tax cut proposed by the Republicans…

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: this because of the fact that they are predicting a five trillion dollar gross output due to that tax cut.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which they say they then would be a 1% tax cut but they want make the tax cut before they get the money back in.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so it’s only proposed five trillion output, it’s just a gamble........

Tia: yeah.

Russ: it’s just a shot across the board.

Tia: okay, now if they tax cut…..what is your analogy on what’s going to happen?

Russ: there will be growth….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but there will also be very much pain among the poor and the old.

Tia: why?

Russ: Medicare, Medicaid are going to suffer.

Tia: they’re going to cut those?

Russ: they’re going to go ahead and keep them from growing.

Tia: no, not quite true, not quite true. What they're going to do is they’re cut the level of growth.

Russ: right.

Tia: at the moment it is growing on average 10% larger than is normal compared to the growth in expenditure. Let’s say each year expenditure grows 5% right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and Medicare, welfare and so on are growing by 15% right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: which means that one is meant to just cover the other correct?

Russ: right.

Tia: so you're actually having a waste of 10% increase that could be used elsewhere. So by cutting the amount of increase right? Let’s say cut it to 7% which would cover just about any extra necessities right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: it’s actually 2% more than the actual normal growth level is right?

Russ: right.

Tia: you’re saving yourself 8% which can be used for other things. Okay, now there is a recent study that I came across right? Of 36 cities in your country right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: guess which one ranked number one in growth and economic prosperity?

Russ: New York?

Tia: no.

Russ: I give up.

Tia: Las Vegas.

Russ: okay.

Tia: why?

Russ: gambling.

Tia: no, although that did help in a way.

Russ: as far as I know, it helped a whole lot especially in Vegas’ part.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: their mega-resorts they're building that brought in more tourists than ever before….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore it has to increase in growth to put up with the building of houses for those coming in to work for those increased amount of tourists.

Tia: uh-huh, you came close but your reasoning is flawed. Okay yes they did play a part in it right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now what one thing attracts businesses to Nevada?

Russ: no taxes.

Tia: correct or very low taxes on things that are taxed which in turn does what?

Russ: prosperity and growth?

Tia: correct. Now Nevada has a very well-developed health care system.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: the only problem for the health-care system is the fact that Nevada has the highest smoking ratio in the country. Also has one of the highest beverage consumption levels in the country.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: which pushes up the medical costs. Take those away right? And Nevada would be very, very prosperous. So, by cutting taxes, what have you done in a state?

John: stimulated growth.

Tia: exactly.

Russ: one problem though.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that is the fact that the state is not a microcosm of the government.

Tia: what makes you say that?

Russ: okay for example, let's look at where the money goes in the government.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: defense......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: black budgets......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: foreign policy, foreign lending.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: foreign aid.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: without getting it paid back...

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: domestic aid without getting it paid back....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: bureaucracies that the state couldn't even conceive of...

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: all of this is expenditures......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Now with the Kemp and Dole plan.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: or the Republican plan of cutting $550 billion in taxes...

Tia: yeah.

Russ: they're expecting to stimulate growth as is happened in Nevada.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they're not taking into account the fact that all these expenditures the government puts out are going to basically wipe out any gains they would have made.......


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