SIDE
ONE
(Kiri is this shortened
session's ring mistress and gets things started)
Kiri: .........oh if you’re going to speak in
dialect, I will do one better.
Russ: I guess, this I’ve got to hear.
(Kiri says an entire phrase in Sirian)
(Russ starts laughing)
Russ: okay.
(Kiri continues the phrase in Sirian)
Russ: hmm, let me try one, it’s been a while if I
can remember.....Mekook?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: ha, got it right.
Kiri: close.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: very heavy accent, almost unlegible but
barely, almost gibberish.
Russ: I’m practicing, I'll give it a shot.
Kiri: okay buddy boy. I can’t stay too long…….
Russ: all right.
Kiri: big sis has hoofed it because she’s got to
pack.
Russ: ahhh, off to Sirius is she?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: is it the ski races already?
Kiri: they start……..well actually most of the team
members have already arrived and I don’t have my
heats until Thursday.
Russ: ahh lucky.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: hey good luck on it though, I hope for the
best.
Kiri: oh my finals are on Sunday and I’m a
shoo-in…..
Russ: well excellent and…...
Kiri: or boot-in.
Russ: as I understand there’s a smaller field so…...
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that should help a little bit.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: one less racer, actually two less racers to go
against.
Kiri: uh-huh no three......yeah two.
Russ: two yeah.
Kiri: no three.
Russ: oh yeah right, three because you’re racing
against your own team.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh that’s right.
Kiri: yep.
Russ: well good job, at least you made it.
Kiri: oh yeah, Lyka’s already left.
Russ: has she?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: is she a dead winner? Are all the odds are now
definitely on Lyka for the win and any bets on her
at this point would be pretty well…….?
Kiri: no, all bets that involve Lyka were declared
null and void.
Russ: oh that’s right because she’s pregnant.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: yeah that’s right.
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: oh so then you wrote them all off?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh no.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: well congratulations on your field of flowers,
I hope they do well with all the snow cover they’ve
got now.
Kiri: it’s very, very dense there and it’s going to
be a late harvest. We’re looking middle to late May
which means the prices are rocketing.
Russ: already?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: have you sold your field?
Kiri: sold half of it.
Russ: surprised, I mean you sold......well you’ll
get the rest sold while you're there at Sirius.
Kiri: uh-huh well I’m going to keep probably maybe
two or three dozen for myself.
Russ: I have this vision, a vision of you getting on
Sirius and there’s all these invitations waiting for
you…..
Kiri: what you mean already waiting?
Russ: “come to this party, come to that party.” “Oh
Kiri, you’ve got to come to this party because I got
all this great wine for you to try.
Kiri: actually, I lost about six or seven dozen
flowers, yes six or seven dozen flowers…..
Russ: how?
Kiri: it was worth it.
Russ: what did you do, what did you trade? Oh, a
boot, skis?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: oh that’s, that’s more than worth it.
Kiri: yes.
Russ: I think you got away dirt cheap at that point.
Kiri: well actually……
Russ: instead of a whole line of lingerie….
Kiri: lingerie…..
Russ: and yeah, yeah right.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: but still, it’s a worthwhile goal.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: the fact that these are prized skis.
Kiri: yeah, uh-huh and also I’ve got to set up a
deal for her involving a exotic dancer.
Russ: anyone in particular we might know?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: ahhh.
Kiri: the hottest, most recent young star.
Russ: who’s currently in college and you’ve got to
talk her out of certain other free time she might
otherwise have? (Bunny)
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: yeah well good luck.
Kiri: uh-huh, but the skis won't be ready until next
year but that’s way ahead of what I expected.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Kiri: uh-huh. And the skis I’m racing on this year
they’re borrowed but I’ve gotten quite used to them.
Russ: I’m surprised though, you'd think this girl
who makes the skis has got so many orders that she
doesn’t need the wine, she doesn’t need the flowers,
she doesn’t need all this other stuff and….
Kiri: do you know what she does with most of the
stuff that she receives?
Russ: I don't know.
Kiri: she gives it away.
Russ: really?
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that is truly a sixth dimensional concept.
Kiri: yes and no, yes and no, the problem is that
she doesn’t keep anything for herself at all.
Russ: that’s good though.
Kiri: nooo.
Russ: isn’t that sixth dimensional?
Kiri: yes and no. Giving away is sixth dimensional,
giving everything away is not. You’ve got to keep
some for yourself, for your enjoyment, for your
spiritual growth, she doesn’t.
Russ: well maybe her spiritual growth includes
nothing? I mean many monks and priests renounce
everything, all worldly goods as they enter the
priesthood for that exact same reason.
Kiri: uh-huh but it doesn’t work.
Russ: yeah that’s true because they’re maintaining
abstinence and everything else……
Kiri: uh-huh, she’s far from abstinent or celibate.
Russ: that probably affects them mentally in the
long run.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: yes they’re holy and all but still it’s……
Kiri: don’t forget, you’re thinking Christian, third
dimensional……
Russ: right.
Kiri: sixth dimensional is that certainly you give
away, I give away a lot of stuff.
Russ: uh-huh, I've seen it.
Kiri: but you’ve also got to maintain and improve
your current existence. You’ve got to better
yourself, physically, mentally, spiritually, always
striving for higher learning and understanding. With
that also comes compassion…..
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: and also knowing when to say, "okay that isn’t
going to work, let’s cast it aside." It’s like some
people on your planet, when do you say that you
can’t help them, what do you do then?
Russ: then let others help them.
Kiri: but if they don’t, if they don’t learn
continually. See learning's very important,
continually improving yourself. You’re always
learning new stuff for your computers right?
Russ: absolutely, have to.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and you’re always learning stuff with your
job.
Kiri: oh yeah with the engineering and Mark’s always
learning things constantly striving and improving….
Russ: right.
Kiri: struggling to be better, struggling for
advancement. When do you look around and see others
that aren’t, what do you do about them? If they’ve
got no desire for no drive to improve?
Russ: isn’t that their learning lesson, don’t you
leave them to learn their lesson? You can’t
interfere in their learning lesson.
Kiri: well if it’s part of your learning lesson to
say, “okay, I’ve tried to help, there’s nothing more
that I can do.”
Russ: right, in that case you’ve got to let
them…..there’s a reason for that.
Kiri: uh-huh but at what point do you say that?
Russ: when like you say, it gets to a point and
there’s nothing you can do. I mean there’s always
something you can do until you get to that point.
For example, a movie I watched one time, “Groundhog
Day”......
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: Bill Murray, he comes back on the same day
every day…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and there’s this old man who he finds dying, a
homeless man and every day he just keeps trying to
help the man from dying that day and saying, “no,
you’re not going to die this day.” Until finally it
gets to a point and then he realizes there’s nothing
he can do.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: the man’s going to die.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: is it similar to that?
Kiri: yeah but you’ve got to at that point say,
“okay, you’ve got to accept it.” You’ve got to
accept that you cannot help them. I mean for
example, when I was doing my doctorate on coercion
right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Kiri: I worked with a group of………I don’t have the
gene capability, I’m not a sub-super operant. You
remember Bunny’s older sister, the one that we
called the psycho one?
Russ: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I remember her
well.
Kiri: uh-huh, I worked with a group of individuals
that were actually worse than that.
Russ: oh is this light bothering you by the way?
Kiri: no, I’ve got something in my eye and.......
Russ: oh.
Kiri: I’m rubbing Mark’s eye whilst I’m rubbing
mine.
Russ: oh.
Kiri: and I’d like to go……..and pull it out but it’s
an eyelash actually……..but there was.....I was
working with this group and there was one young man
in particular. I don’t think he should have ever of
ascended, he was one of those interesting quirks of
being a sub-super operant and a first timer which is
almost unheard of. It’s not unknown but with the
small population that we have it’s about fifteen
million to one.
Russ: isn’t that like Tonar the Corrupt kind of
thing?
(from the Sirian
Chronicles)
Kiri: yes apart from this person was still very
third dimensional, still in a third dimensional
thought mode, did never understand the fact that
they had certain obligations being spiritually more
evolved supposedly on their home planet. His
intelligence level by our standards…that’s the
average IQ worldwide......for us, he never got above
a five-year-old which means that his IQ level was
very low. Intellectually he was.....it’s hard to
describe. Anyway, the thing was I tried to help him,
I tried coercing him, I tried laying out mental
pathways by getting into his mind with coercive
capability, I tried to program him, I tried to break
down the doors and he was a sub-super operant but he
was totally latent.
Russ: in all four of his capabilities?
Kiri: uh-huh, yep but if he had had the desire and
the drive, he could of easily of pushed through
those latent barriers. Remember most five-year-olds,
sub-super operant children are latent.
Russ: yeah but their training starts earlier than
five.
Kiri: uh-huh but they make the breakthrough when
they’re five.
Russ: yeah?
Kiri: yeah I mean if they’re fully functional in one
or two that’s fine, that’s easy we have programs but
four, we don’t have specialized programs, that’s why
we have the problems with kids like Leonedies.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: but this young man, he was my age, no
ambition, no desire, no wanting to. Oh he talked up
a storm, talked up a fantastic storm on what he
planned to do, how he planned to go about it as long
as you would help him. “I need you to help me.” And
it got to the point I’m trying to help, I’m trying
to help and every time he just didn’t grasp it.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: so at that point I basically turned around and
said, “I can’t help you, you’ve got to help
yourself. Your first lesson is learning to help
yourself”
Russ: and what happened?
Kiri: I told him that when he’s ready to advance and
learn more to call me.
Russ: oh you haven’t heard from him since?
Kiri: nope, haven’t heard from him since.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: as far as I’m concerned, I failed miserably
but I learned from it, I learned that there are some
people that no matter how much you like them……I
thought he was a good guy, I thought he was a nice
guy……..you can’t help them.
Russ: too bad though, such potential.
Kiri: there was no potential.
Russ: really, sub-super operant? If he had been
fully developed in all four, he could have been
quite a boon for sixth dimensional……
Kiri: nope.
Russ: really?
Kiri: IQ, he would have been a
trouble waiting to happen.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: low IQ, low learning capability…..
Russ: so the reason he ascended was due to the fact
that he was a sub-super operant.
Kiri: yes, even probably on third dimension.
Russ: right, but once he ascended, his learning
lesson was to gain those skills that….
Kiri: uh-uh, you’re putting in your own……..nobody
really knows.
Russ: oh really?
Kiri: yeah, what their learning lessons are.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: we can speculate and with a certain amount of
accuracy we can speculate about our own but others,
no we can’t.
Russ: hmm.
Kiri: one of the biggest mistakes that I see on your
planet is that a lot of your people say, “oh, your
learning lesson must be…" "You’re going through this
so it must be a learning lesson.” No, it could be a
precursor event that’s going to push you in a
direction that will lead to a learning or not.
Russ: well we have a habit of interfering.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: for example, we're ready to go bomb Kosovo
right now.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: the Serbs down there in Yugoslavia.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: because we feel we need to step in and take
away all these people’s troubles.
Kiri: and create more.
Russ: and create more.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: that’s our style.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: even though the second biggest superpower
says, "no don’t do it."
Kiri: oh you have a second biggest superpower, who’s
that?
Russ: Russia.
Kiri: oh yes, the Russians.
Russ: I think it's the Chinese now personally but…..
Kiri: I think you could be right.
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: actually it’s probably Great Britain.
Russ: I wouldn’t doubt that at all. It’s not by
number of people, it’s by……
Kiri: capability.
Russ: yeah.
Kiri: actually I would say that capable-wise from
what Tia's said in the past, I would say it’s Great
Britain actually.
Russ: hmm, I don’t know what their capabilities are
militarily.
Kiri: they don’t have a big force but they could
strike much more faster than the United States
because of that.
Russ: that’s true. Probably with more accuracy and
more….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: abilities. Hmm, well anyway I hope….
Kiri: yeah.
Russ: yeah where do we say…..
Kiri: yeah, enough’s enough.
Russ: enough’s enough.
Kiri: that’s a decision for each individual, I got
to the point when I had explained over and over
again the same thing. I think it was like the 10th
or the 20th time and it was like.....and it wasn’t
that long that it happened, it took like three
months for me to reach that point. But it got to the
point where my own patience was starting to be tried
because I would repeat myself constantly and he
would seem to learn and then he would revert. He
would go great for three or four days and then all
of a sudden you’re back to square one.
Russ: well this brings up an interesting point
because there is a conundrum I’ve been working on….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: recently that I wanted to approach somebody
about and you’re probably the perfect person to ask.
Kiri: okay.
Russ: and this would be involving guides…….
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? And how everybody has their own
guides…..
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: and when two people meet, their guides tend to
interact too.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: so, when we’re talking about working with
somebody and asking ourselves whether enough’s
enough, isn't that a question of the guides and
listening to them and understanding that your higher
consciousness and their higher consciousness are
both on a communication that you or him or her do
not understand but you have to follow instinctively
maybe?
Kiri: maybe but you’re pretty easy to read, I know
what you’re saying underneath.
Russ: really, I don’t know but that’s what I’ve been
working on lately I thought…...
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: you might be…
Kiri: uh-huh but it was started by something else.
But there is an interaction to a point, guides will
look after their own, the host that they follow
around.
Russ: right.
Kiri: and if they see that the host has a dislike
for whoever, then that’s part of......the guides
will protect and look after, after all it’s their
job.
Russ: right.
Kiri: right they will guide you in a path that is
beneficial away from the situation but if it’s
unavoidable, then they will communicate with the
other guides as an intermediate right? And see how
the other party will interact.
Russ: okay.
Kiri: and if the interaction maintains negative, the
guides at that point will go back to the other
guides and negotiate and both sets of guides will
back off and let the situation resolve itself. After
all, the guides have done their job......
Russ: true.
Kiri: and the people, maybe for whatever reason,
don’t need to have that contact.
Russ: hmm, okay. Hmm, interesting, now what happens
on a world scale?
Kiri: on a world scale?
Russ: for example this thing we're talking about in
Kosovo.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: how do guides deal with the fact that people
are about to get bombed and so on and so forth? I
mean how do guides deal with……..any clue on that as
far as…..maybe Lyka would be a better person to ask
on this?
Kiri: yes she would be, unfortunately she’s not
here.
Russ: I didn’t think so.
Kiri: the best way that I could answer that would be
by saying that there are so many parties involved
and the guides stay pretty close to their person
that it would be difficult for them to react to
other things until they happen.
Russ: okay which I guess brings me to my next
question is, is there such a thing as a country’s
guides, the guide that looks over certain countries?
Kiri: no, no.
Russ: I know in the devic world……
Kiri: there is.
Russ: that’s how it works, you have smaller entities
and get all the way up to devas and angels and so
on.
Kiri: well angels are technically non-related to
devas at all.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: uh-huh. Or the other theory…..you’d have to
talk to Treebeard is that angels are devas, just in
other forms.
Russ: right which is my feeling but who knows?
Kiri: uh-huh, you'd have to remember that my
grandmother and Treebeard work with devas.
Russ: uh-huh, oh that’s one that’s good to know.
Kiri: uh-huh.
Russ: okay….
Kiri: talking of which…….
(Omal
starts speaking after it is realized that the tape
looped meaning we lost most of what we had discussed
and it also shut off the recording system)
Russ: well I’m sure that Laura and Skip will be here
next week too.
Omal: yes, you will have to schedule for earlier.
Russ: yes definitely. Yeah, A’s still finishing up
here, we had some tape left that just looped up and
did a stop on us.
Omal: ahh, okay.
Russ: so no problem.
Omal: no problem at all.
Russ: all right, well I look forward to next week,
that’ll be fun and we should have started earlier
tonight but we had sushi that ran into it.
Omal: ahhh.
Russ: good sushi though.
Omal: sushi, fish.
Russ: raw fish on top of rice, a rather Asian
cuisine, quite delicious.
Omal: I will have to endeavor to indulge in some at
some time.
Russ: well you have enough salmon up there to have
salmon sushi to last you the rest of your life....
Omal: ahh.
Russ: which should be quite a while. How’s that
going by the way?
Omal: we have it under control.
Russ: I mean your life.
Omal: my life?
Russ: uh-huh, I believe you were planning on
evolving at some point here?
Omal: eventually, soon.
Russ: well you have enough challenges to keep you
happy, if challenges make you happy.
Omal: yes they do.
Russ: then you have plenty to keep you entertained
and happy for many, many centuries to come.
Omal: you talk in the short term.
Russ: oh, that’s true. But still it's tough for me
to comprehend the years that you’ve seen and will
see from this point on and understand the timeline
you live on….
Omal: yes.
Russ: compared to what I deal with.
Omal: tomorrow is but a moment….
Russ: correct.
Omal: next week is but a second, next year is but a
minute. Next century is a little while.
Russ: now this is an interesting point though, when
a person like yourself……oh excuse me like myself…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: who has lived many, many, many centuries but
inhabited many different bodies and the memory of
many different personalities, if I was on sixth
dimension it would be as if I had actually lived all
those.....
Omal: yes, when you desire to do so.
Russ: when I desire to do so correct. So in essence
I would be more understanding of the timeline you
live…..
Omal: yes definitely.
Russ: because I could look back on those times and
go, “ahh okay, I remember back in Atlantis and when
I stumbled across that bridge over there by the
Great Pyramid” as opposed to now where it just seems
like just like 39 years ago since I been born. But
is that what gains you more…….
Omal: perspective?
Russ: perspective right, on moving upwards in
dimensions once you get to the sixth?
Omal: yes, yes, it is the long view that time is
important but also irrelevant. If you don’t get it
achieved tomorrow you can get it achieved next week.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: but it is relevant also to the life
expectancy. To you, a life expectancy of 80 years is
a long time......
Russ: yeah.
Omal: so each day is very important.
Russ: right.
Omal: to a Sirian, where a life expectancy is
anywhere between 900 to a 1,000 years, tomorrow is
not as important, next week is. To someone such as
myself, next week, next year, next decade, after I
finish my tea.
Russ: (laughs) that’s good.
Omal: and having a tea mug that I've been presented
with, it may take me ten years to drink the tea.
(he is talking of the gift of a mug with fifth
dimensional properties so it could hold gallons of
liquid)
Russ: well how does working Council sessions where
you’re working with people from different dimensions
and different timelines…..
Omal: there is a certain understanding that if it is
not dealt with within a time limit that is mutually
agreed upon, then we will revisit it and lay down a
framework which will accelerate the necessary
debating process for the advancement of the topic.
Russ: ahh okay.
Omal: but the majority of individuals that are in
Council meetings, there is no one that has a life
expectancy of less than 800 years.
Russ: hmm.
Omal: and frequently an individual will conclude a
dozen different situations and debates within their
lifetime. I have concluded hundreds.
Russ: wow.
Omal: but it is my function as the base commander to
decide when it is necessary to accelerate or to slow
down a debate.......
Russ: hmm.
Omal: or to revisit a debate.
Russ: now when you were talking about the gentleman
earlier, excuse me when Kiri was talking about the
gentleman who she dealt with and you were talking
about, what is the discipline that’s involved
in……….?
SIDE
ONE ENDS
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SIDE TWO
(Omal counts down to ensure
nothing is missed)
Omal: four, three, two........the growth is their
own, it is also the growth of the individual
that’s trying to help them but the two are not
related, one doesn’t rely on the other. In Kiri’s
case there was no growth, there was growth for her
but not for him.
Russ: hmm, but now on third dimension prior to his
going, that could have actually turned out to be a
very bad situation were he to be in a more third
dimensional sense of the word…….
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: especially if he became more, if his gifts
came out more, were actually empowered instead of
latent…
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: he could become very corrupt and use those
powers in a bad way.
Omal: correct but by sending him back which is
more than likely what will happen….
Russ: right.
Omal: then he will have to relearn those lessons
and in the waiting period he will have to face
them head-on and plan accordingly and then the
next time he tries to ascend he will be
scrutinized much more or she, depending on what
incarnation the individual goes as, will be much
harsher and they will have to live up to a higher
standard, a much higher standard.
Russ: hmm, that’s good for them because they have
the inspiration to have already been on sixth,
they know what that’s like.
Omal: correct.
Russ: even though we’re on third and on sixth they
had their past lives and could review their past
lives……
Omal: unfortunately, with that kind of
intelligence and the place that the individual was
stagnant at, that is impossible.
Russ: oh, bummer.
Omal: yes, very unfortunate. Okay, any more
questions?
Russ: that’s it.
Omal: okay, thank you very much Russ.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: live long, prosper......I’ll be back.
Russ: I look forward to it.
Omal: and I will line up some individuals for next
week.
Russ: excellent, thank you, I look forward to that
too.
(Karra takes a break from
packing for the trip to Sirius to channel)
Karra: hey hon.
Russ: hey darling, how you doing?
Karra: oh I’m doing good, what can I do for you?
Russ: well my love, we’re working on a bunch of
good stuff tonight.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: Kiri was working on a lot of good stuff.
Karra: she always does.
Russ: uh-huh and we were…..
Karra: I think she does so well the fact that she
was asked at short notice.
Russ: yeah and she filled in quite nicely actually
which is a just a question I had turned into a
full dissertation.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: which is really quite nice.
Karra: yes she improvises so well.
Russ: yes she did. Anyway……..oh…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: we were going to discuss our phase two of
chakras and…..
Karra: oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry, my mind
is on the trip.
Russ: no problem darling, did you want to skip
that and go on to something else?
Karra: okay, what did we cover? We covered the……
Russ: root chakra, first three chakras basically.
Karra: okay let go and start from the top to the
bottom this time so it’s the crown….
Russ: oh excellent.
Karra: the throat and the heart.
Russ: third eye.
Karra: I thought it was crown, throat and heart?
Russ: uh-uh.
Karra: well the crown and the third eye are
basically the same anyway.
Russ: oh are they? Oh I thought it was two
separate.
Karra: well there are sub-ones but I’m taking the
crown as these are important ones.
Russ: oh okay.
Karra: okay the crown, the spiritual crowning
glory, the spiritual center of the consciousness
and it’s just a term.
Russ: of course.
Karra: okay, the crown chakra and the
revolutionary speed and the opening and closing
capability. Now because this is a spiritual chakra
that controls the spiritual growth and reactions
and all the capabilities, it has a lot of power
and surprisingly enough because of that does not
rotate very fast at all.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: a normal third dimensional individual will
rotate between 15 and 20 cycles a second as
opposed to the lower chakras, I believe the root
chakra rotates at 150 to 200.
Russ: right.
Karra: no it’s….
Russ: no because that’s in sixth dimension it
rotates that fast.
Karra: uh-huh you’re quite correct no, third
dimension it’s 150 to 200 and on the sixth it’s
about a thousand five hundred to two.
Russ: oh okay, okay…..
Karra: yeah.
Russ: I’m missing a zero that’s right.
Karra: uh-huh. Now, on the sixth dimension the
crown chakra will rotate at approximately 53 to 63
cycles a second, not that much difference actually
is there?
Russ: well it’s 35, 40.
Karra: uh-huh but not that much difference, not a
whole hundred.
Russ: right.
Karra: or almost a thousand.
Russ: right.
Karra: but the difference in speed is significant.
Russ: really?
Karra: when you think……..well it’s only 35, 40
cycles a second but it is significant.
Russ: okay.
Karra: due to the fact that because the crown
chakra has such a massive function controlling the
spiritual and the abilities, the burden on it is
tremendous. On a third dimensional level because
the burden and the slow revolutionary speed, it
will wear out faster than it will on the sixth
dimension, especially with the longer life
expectancy. Now the closing and opening is slower
again as opposed to the root chakra. Even on the
third dimension it is noticeably slower and it
will not open as wide on the third dimension as
the root chakra, it is also thicker. On the sixth
dimension it is a little thinner and it will open
much, much wider almost to full, almost to an
invisible ribbon. That is because the polarity is
actually starting to reverse. The idea is to or a
common idea is to have all the chakras open and
rotate at the same speed, doesn’t work that way
unfortunately due to the fact that if the crown
chakra was rotating at the same speed as the root
chakra, it would be a little like a spinning top
going off kilter. Because of the size of the crown
chakra, it does have to rotate at a lower speed to
create stability within the spiritual body and
throughout all the chakras. The opening and
closing on the third dimensional chakra with the
bandwidth is more related to the intellectual
level. With intellectual growth on the third
dimension comes spiritual growth, the ability to
focus and to increase one’s own chakra rotational
speed. Okay that’s the crown chakra, you have
questions obviously honey.
Russ: of course. All right first off you mentioned
wearing out…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: chakras wear out?
Karra: it’s a terminology, they start to pick up
and slow down. They pick up all sorts of
extraneous matter……well not matter but
problems…..they start to break down because of the
load that goes through them.
Russ: what age does this usually occur at?
Karra: later in life.
Russ: oh okay.
Karra: but mental trauma, dysfunction of the
brain, abuse of the brain, neglect of the brain,
those will all accelerate the breakdown.
Russ: like Omal said not learning one thing at a
time kind of thing?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: or one thing a day?
Karra: one thing a day.
Russ: yes.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and another thing you mentioned was
bandwidth. Now I fully understand bandwidth in
another terminology altogether……
Karra: yes computers.
Russ: in computers, what are you talking about?
Karra: okay it’s actually the thickness of the
chakra. Even though they are invisible…..
Russ: right.
Karra: the chakras vary in width this way and this
way from individual to individual and from chakra
to chakra.
Russ: oh, I didn’t know that.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: now is this like a muscle?
Karra: yes, the way it contracts and expands is
like a muscle.
Russ: what about the size of it?
Karra: again, it is relevant to the part of the
body and its function. The fact that……
Russ: I mean being between individual to
individual.
Karra: yes again it varies in size from individual
to individual.
Russ: ahhh, okay, I understand.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: thank you.
Karra: you had another question but you’ve lost it
haven't you?
Russ: no, I have no clue on it.
Karra: yes……
Russ: it was something about oh yeah, I think you
mentioned revolutions per....or cycles and I said
revolutions.
Karra: it’s about the same.
Russ: about the same.
Karra: yeah. Okay let us move down to the throat
chakra.
Russ: okay.
Karra: now the throat chakra is one of the
smallest chakras but it’s also one of the most
powerful. On a normal human being, a third
dimensional human being and this is going to blow
you away, the revolution is about 2,500 to thirty
hundred cycles a second.
Russ: wow.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: yeah you weren’t kidding.
Karra: now this is a very unusual and complicated
little chakra which I’m not going to go into too
much detail because this is where it gets
difficult and technical. On a sixth dimensional
being it’s actually much slower.
Russ: okay.
Karra: about I should say 250 to 150.
Russ: that definitely does not make logical sense.
Karra: no it doesn’t but it’s the way it is. One
of the reasons is the fact that the speech process
and patterns are less important than the mental
capabilities.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: so therefore it does not need to rotate so
highly. You are a vocal race, most third
dimensional races are......
Russ: ahh.
Karra: so the chakra needs to work within that
capability.
Russ: does it have anything to do with telepathy?
Karra: yesss.
Russ: ahhhh.
Karra: hence the reason why the crown chakra
rotates so rapidly as opposed to the throat
chakra.
Russ: ahhh okay, got ya.
Karra: see the reverse there.
Russ: yeah….
Karra: now because it is so important on the third
dimension, it is a thick and heavy chakra and it
has a wide bandwidth, almost a bandwidth of about
an inch. It opens and closes are much wider than
on the sixth. The sixth, it opens and closes quite
slowly and rotates quite slowly and is much
thinner. It is very common on the third for it to
do what all the other chakras do on the sixth and
to become almost a thin, iridescent ribbon whereas
on the sixth that’s almost unheard of. The only
person I think that would have it open and become
almost an almost invisible ribbon would be Tia
with her talkative skill.
Russ: interesting.
Karra: uh-huh, but her chakra rotates at a slower
speed also because uses both her mind as well as
her vocal cords.
Russ: right.
Karra: okay let’s answer questions on that.
Russ: okay, you mentioned the fact that it turns
into a thin, invisible ribbon……
Karra: almost.
Russ: almost.
Karra: almost invisible.
Russ: now on sixth dimension that’s more common
for the other chakras…..
Karra: correct.
Russ: and that’s when they’re being in use……
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: in other words, not just its status point……
Karra: correct.
Russ: or stasis. So in third dimension with myself
being a communicator, where would mine be rotating
somewhere near there?
Karra: pretty rapidly.
Russ: okay.
Karra: and frequently it does achieve the thin,
almost invisible ribbon.
Russ: now when does this happen though?
Karra: normally when the revolutionary speed of
the crown chakra starts to accelerate.....
Russ: oh I see.
Karra: when the thought processes are being
engaged. Because you need your vocal cords to
communicate and the energy flow to them and to the
crown chakra needs to be used so therefore it
starts to rotate faster.
Russ: okay, I get it. Interesting, so the two are
connected quite closely.
Karra: very closely.
Russ: hmm, so the faster the crown chakra spins…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: the faster the throat chakra spins……
Karra: uh-huh on the third dimension.
Russ: on the third dimension.
Karra: however, it’s the opposite on the sixth.
Russ: how fascinating.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: the faster the crown chakra spins, the
slower the throat chakra spins.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: I’ll be damned, I’m glad we brought this up.
Karra: uh-huh, I told you it was a very unusual
and complicated little chakra.
Russ: yes it is.
Karra: now, I’ve only covered probably the first
page out of the book….
Russ: oh.
Karra: on the throat chakra for the simple reason
that it gets very complicated and very convoluted
and there are quite a few things in there that
sound like contradictions until you read further.
Russ: ahh, which is what we’re getting to now but
then........
Karra: no we’re not going to get to that.....
Russ: we're not going to get to that.
Karra: because it is so convoluted and complicated
that it is hard to comprehend without first
looking at more detail in the capability of each
chakra.
Russ: right.
Karra: okay and as we're only lightly doing them
and we have limited time, it is something that we
will skip over and revisit in more detail other
chakras. We will take a chakra and we will analyze
it to death over a period of weeks.
Russ: excellent, alright.
Karra: okay now finally……
(Russ hits his chest)
Russ: the heart chakra.
Karra: the heart chakra, the chakra that controls
many different functions in fact it controls all
other chakras.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: uh-huh. It is the master chakra however, if
it reaches a point where it is operating very
slowly and an individual becomes very unemotional,
the crown chakra will take over and basically
restart and reactivate and control the heart
chakra. Basically it is the chakra that controls
the other chakras as well as desires and a few
other things that we will cover and as I said
we're covering lightly at the moment because of
the time limitations but at a future time we will
revisit each individual chakra. Okay, the
revolutionary speed of a heart chakra on the third
dimension, 35,000 to 45,000, very rapid.
Russ: (whistles)
Karra: it is rapid due to the fact of the
existence of the individual. It varies from
species to species as well but, the reason why it
runs so rapidly is because of the life expectancy.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: on the sixth dimension it is about 75,000
to 85,000 depending on an individual and race to
race.
Russ: wow.
Karra: very rapid, very fast. Its opening and
closing is actually quite slow in comparison to
its speed. It seems that the higher the
revolutionary speed the slower it will open, the
lower the revolutionary speed the faster it will
open. There are many different theories on why,
many, many different theories and they do
conflict. Basically, let us take both extremes.
The extreme view is that the reason why it opens
slower at a faster revolutionary speed is because
all the other chakras are working at a much higher
and faster speed, of course this is sixth
dimension.
Russ: of course.
Karra: with exception of the throat chakra. Now,
what the heart chakra is actually doing is
regulating the flow from below to up and to back
down. The faster the processes of the other
chakras with exception of the throat chakra will
be regulated and the flow will fluctuate according
to the desire and the necessary energy flow for
that situation. The wider the chakra is, the more
energy flow is deemed or theorized to be
necessary. Okay the other side, the other end of
the spectrum, the reason why it opens slower at a
faster rate is to act as a braking system so that
the energy flow does not overload the important
chakras and the energy flow is detained and
bottled in the throat chakra and held there until
necessary. As the energy builds up, the heart
chakra will open up wider until it is necessary
for it to push through to the crown chakra through
the throat chakra. See the two opposites?
Russ: right.
Karra: I’m not quite sure which to believe, as I
said there are many, many different theories. It
is not fully understood why they do what they do
or the heart chakra does what it does. By opening
slower at a higher revolution as opposed to wider
and faster at a lower revolution, it’s all very
confusing isn't it?
Russ: yeah.
Karra: okay, questions.
Russ: oh I got a bunch here.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: now this almost sounds a lot like a group
meta-concert….
Karra: yes it does to a certain extent.
Russ: how they work.
Karra: yes, they’ve all got to work in cooperation
with each other.
Russ: well like the heart’s working like a
conductor, the crown's working like a engineer or
executive.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and the rest are all working as…..
Karra: supplying the energy.
Russ: right.
Karra: yes, yes it does actually doesn’t it?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: in fact the phrase that they use is
orchestrating the chakras.
Russ: interesting.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: group meta-concert, orchestrating hmm,
interesting terminology. Well the one point on
that is okay, if that is a fact, then when you’re
working with this energy and let’s say for example
you're working with a negative feedback loop…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: or any kind of feedback loop.........
Karra: okay.
Russ: that energy is traveling through each of the
chakras.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: now is the heart regulating that energy
flow?
Karra: yes.
Russ: okay, because it’s going through the
chakras.
Karra: okay what I’m going to do…..we’ll keep
talking but you will ask longer questions and I
will answer shortly because I'm going concentrate
and……..thank you…..the technician has given me
full control….
Russ: excellent.
Karra: that means I can open up the eyes if I want
but I’m not going to because I have to close my
eyes up here. Okay, going to watch the body, it’s
probably going to if I get it right will lift a
little but it will definitely get a lot hotter.
You watch the color in the cheeks and everything
change and the color of the hands. Okay ask away
and it may cause static on recording so you have
speak up a bit, okay here we go.
Russ: okay, so as the energy’s coming through,
you're following a train of energy that connects
each chakra. As it does so, that chakra that the
energy goes to opens wider and spins faster.......
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: up the chain as it progresses.
Karra: or down the chain depending on what is
needed to be done.
Russ: ahh, correct.
Karra: for example, by increasing the
revolutionary speed and no problems yet, what is
happening is…..let’s say I’m feeding down through
which is what I’m doing the moment……I’m increasing
deliberately the rotation and slowing down the
throat chakra to a speed that is increasing and
widening the abilities. We can try this sometime
when you have a moment alone when there’s no
external influences or anybody talking at you.
Russ: okay. Yeah I see some more color coming to
his cheeks.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay ask the next question.
Russ: okay. As the energy becomes thinner and
thinner……
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: to become more of just a very bright, thin
line……
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: what does that do to the chakras at that
point?
Karra: okay, as they rotate at a higher speed with
the exception of the throat chakra and the crown
chakra……what is.......not crown, heart chakra…..is
that the enlargement that is occurring when you
push them to the maximum which is what I’m doing
at the moment……I’ve reached his maximum…..is
increasing the energy flow and the abilities.
Russ: hmm. And is this a permanent change in those
or just a temporary change?
Karra: depends on how they are used afterwards.
Russ: so if they are used afterwards in any way…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: that opens up those various blocked
doorways?
Karra: yes to a certain extent yes. For example,
using even just one ability 24 hours afterwards
will continue to keep the energy flow going. Mark
may be pleasantly surprised by the increased ease
that he can do his astral travel.
Russ: I see.
Karra: if it was you, it would be the increased
ease in using your healing abilities or whichever
ability you choose to use, manifestation, etc..
Russ: right. Now what I understand is we can do
this feedback loop anytime of the day every day if
we wanted to…..
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: and we could see an increase in our skills
at that point.
Karra: yes.
Russ: this is a great idea.
Karra: there are certain drawbacks.
Russ: I figured there would be.
Karra: doing it repetitively day after day, you
can actually increase to the size that you want
however, by not letting the tissue or the chakras
heal, giving them time to heal, they become
sensitive and become damaged.
Russ: ahhh.
Karra: if you let them heal too long, they build
up something very similar to scar tissue which
means that they become slower and more difficult
to use.
Russ: that's how we answer this then.
Karra: uh-huh, so it has to be measured carefully
and unfortunately it varies from individual to
individual.
Russ: now, the warning signs that you’re
exercising your chakras too much are….
Karra: pain.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: physical pain?
Karra: yes, physical pain, headaches…..headaches
are not counted because that is actually the
muscle working. If it is a too intense headache,
what is actually occurring is that you are getting
to the point where you are maxing out.
Russ: ahhh.
Karra: but a headache is expected and normal.
Russ: okay.
Karra: but when Mark comes back you might want to
watch to see how much of a headache he does have.
Russ: okay.
Karra: an acute headache will…..is a sign that you
should stop immediately, a light headache is
expected, a medium headache is a warning sign that
you may want to stop if you go any further. Okay,
pain in the stomach, the heart or the throat, stop
immediately especially the heart. If the heart
starts to feel irregular, shut down the loop, stop
what you’re doing and relax.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: okay the only pain that I’m experiencing by
getting his chakras to match mine is I’m getting a
little, light headache.
Russ: okay.
Karra: okay and we have a technician monitoring
brainwave patterns which are a little erratic but
that’s because the speed is probably halfway
between his and mine…
Russ: okay.
Karra: which I don’t think they’ve ever rotated
that fast before.
Russ: now what is the length of time that you need
to rest between sessions do you feel?
Karra: it varies from individual but a rule of
thumb is probably somewhere between 48 and 72
hours.
Russ: oh excellent.
Karra: uh-huh. For some individuals it will be
higher, for some lower.
Russ: we each have a base for your Pacific….
Karra: specific.
Russ: specific….
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: pain the next time you do it.
Karra: uh-huh. Now, the temperature in your room
should’ve increased quite a bit.
Russ: yes it did, it’s quite comfortable in here.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: okay……
Karra: okay his ears are turning red right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Karra: good.
Russ: excellent, now what about blood flows, his
increasing blood flows……
Karra: yes, very much so, hence the reason why his
cheeks are very flushed, his hands are very
flushed, in fact they're showing up almost as
white on the monitors up here and his ears are
starting to turn white.
Russ: hmm okay, so this is good for cold weather
too?
Karra: uh-huh. Okay I'm actually I’m starting to
get a little bit of pain so I'm going to start
slowing every...…..nope it’s gone.
Russ: okay so now with children……
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: or adults or whoever wants to increase their
skills, this would be a good exercise then to
start
practicing with, with a very cautious beginning……
Karra: very cautious.
Russ: working into a more advanced regimen later
on once you’ve mastered a few basic…….
Karra: correct.
Russ: precautions.
Karra: correct.
Russ: hmm excellent, great for the webpage.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, I’m going to start slowing
down everything back down as we have limited time.
Russ: okay.
Karra: okay and we have a few other things to
cover.
Russ: okay.
Karra: opps.
Russ: what do you mean opps? Opps isn’t good.
Karra: no, you want to see how far…..I’m not quite
sure because we can’t see it but I think we have
maybe a slight levitation going on?
Russ: can’t tell, looks still firmly on that
futon.
Karra: oh he is? Okay because I’m…..
Russ: he’s not off the ground let's put it that
way.
Karra: yeah because all of a sudden the weight
that I felt for his body because as I have full
control I feel his body as if it's mine, suddenly
the whole entire left side felt very light.
Russ: hmm.
Karra: did the body tip or anything?
Russ: no.
Karra: okay. Oh well, it felt like it was stating
to levitate which might be entertaining for a
picture but…
Russ: yeah it won’t do much good on tape.
Karra: no. Okay…..
Russ: ahh.....excellent, that’s….
Karra: yeah because it suddenly felt a little
disconcerting, that’s why I went opps.
Russ: no, no nothing on our side.
Karra: okay the color should start to return to
normal in a second here.
Russ: excellent.
Karra: okay we're going to continue to
monitor……..he was levitating on the left side.
Russ: oh he was?
Karra: uh-huh…sorry right side.
Russ: oh right side, well I can’t see the right
side.
Karra: because the body did roll a little.
Russ: oh.
Karra: okay, anyway carry on.
Russ: okay excellent. So in chakra use and the
management of your chakras, just like your regular
body it’s good to keep them healthy and these
chakras are particularly responsible for the
physical health of the body….
Karra: yes.
Russ: and how well you keep your chakras healthy
is how well your body...
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: or is it the other way around?
Karra: it’s actually how well your body will do,
also diet is important.
Russ: okay so that’s where the diet is helping the
chakras….
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: but the chakras help the body.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: okay oh, also there was a question that was
brought up about there’s a planetary conjunction
coming up apparently? I didn’t know about it but
apparently somebody at the café I go to told me
about it. She was wondering what affects that
might have on our planet here.
Karra: asking the wrong person, don’t forget I’m
not the astrophysicist or the physicist or the
astronomer.
Russ: maybe Kiri would better.
Karra: yes it would be.
Russ: I’ll check next week.
Karra: uh-huh.
Russ: bye love.
Karra: okay we're going to continue monitoring his
chakras.
Russ: okay.
Karra: okay?
Russ: all right, bye.
(Treebeard comes on as the
expert in all things devic)
Treebeard: hmmm.
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings, how are you function? You
have I see understand, answer for without words.
Russ: yes indeed.
Treebeard: old Sirian help remedy, you have bark
of willow?
Russ: no but we have….
Treebeard: and a warm alcoholic beverage. Heat
beverage with bark of willow and drink.
Russ: hmm.
Treebeard: feel warm all over and aid in relaxing
body, increase in body temperature, speed up
healing repairing process. Also sleep help when
drinking bark of willow with alcoholic beverage
and also quiet peace with no external input help.
Russ: hmm, I like that, especially the alcoholic
beverage part before sleep.
Treebeard: you do not……..you have answer for me
thank you, I think aspirin?
Russ: aspirin yes.
Treebeard: did not know that you have different
name, use name that all know to be able to
comprehend.
Russ: right and I used it quite nicely and it
worked quite well, I feel much better now.
Treebeard: ahh, you have done alcoholic beverage
with aspirin?
Russ: well sort of, did the aspirin, water and
enchania which is an herbal remedy which is from
the bark of a tree. Or echina..........
Treebeard: echinacea.
Russ: echinacea thank you.
Treebeard: echinacea does not doing right thing,
it is a thought process I look for word…..a…..I
think within, maybe I should probe for word.
Russ: you’ll probably find it.
Treebeard: yes. It is a psychosomatic healing…...
Russ: oh.
Treebeard: you think it works so therefore the
placebo affect happens.
Russ: excellent.
Treebeard: example of power of mind.
Russ: I love it.
Treebeard: unfortunately should not have told you
because now you know.
(that gets some laughs from Russ)
Treebeard: this example of thinking hasty.
Russ: that’s all right, I’ll find something else
that will work just as good.
Treebeard: willow bark and alcoholic beverage warm
will work better.
Russ: there we go.
Treebeard: it is for real..........sorry, aspirin.
Russ: yes, I do have aspirin. All right, got a
couple questions tonight.
Treebeard: okay hope you forgive me for hasty,
inconsistent answer of pulling wool off your eyes.
Russ: no, no, absolutely not, I can always use
that. Omal and I were talking and Kiri were
talking about angels….
Treebeard: uh-huh.
Russ: and how they're related to devas.
Treebeard: yes…..sorry continue.
Russ: well she mentioned that you and her were of
the same opinion as I am that there is a
relationship there.
Treebeard: they are being of same, just different
appearance but different function also. Almost as
you would be of saying different class? But same
group.
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: have different class have different
function. Deva of high deity appearance are more
powerful and important than deva of lower group
that act as intermediates for higher deva.
Thinking of deva on home planet have what would
you call attendant devas that act on behalf of or
for or under direction of head deva.
Russ: interesting.
Treebeard: you have deva that lot of people refer
to in actual fact group deva? Refer to as God or a
triple entity moon, sun…..sorry…..Son, Holy Ghost,
father?
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: triple entity actually more than just
one or three, also have many attendant devas that
act as winged ones?
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: so therefore prime example of
functions.
Russ: wow, that says a lot.
Treebeard: also hierarchical example of Zeus and
lesser gods of ancient origin and muses? Another
example of devas working as a group for common
goal with lesser devas doing functional important
assistance.
Russ: now that brings up a good point, back in the
Grecian Empire, Zeus was all-powerful. He was as
we would call God and then below him were the
other various gods who helped. Now were they
talking then about devas and for them as with the
Nordic with their pantheon of gods….
Treebeard: uh-huh.
Russ: and our God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, well in
this case not Sananda and the accompanying angels,
all three of those examples are all the same.
Treebeard: yes, different groups of devas, one
group doing one thing, another group doing another
thing. If you look, they complement each other.
The group that you call Grecian, more independent,
loosely organized but working for common goal,
triple entity that you mention that is group very
compact working for common goal and objective but
tightly organized and narrowly focused. Not as
rounded as Grecian group as you call.
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: your triple entity God is working for
more tighter purpose but same objective just not
as widely being of focus.
Russ: hmm, yeah every civilization has its set of
gods or God and accompanying spirits and still
it's called monotheistic, one God……
Treebeard: uh-huh.
Russ: but that’s actually a combination of devas
then.
Treebeard: correct.
Russ: I get it. So when you say hierarchy, you’re
talking about all the way down the line to like a
deva in our backyard.
Treebeard: correct. Deva in back garden is on your
place visiting as it were being asked to be
present?
Russ: uh-huh.
Treebeard: uhhh......
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