Archivist Notes: This month is the second of two
where only the ladies of the base were the featured
speakers so the title comes in honor of that rare
occurrence. This was a night where Karra took on
Omal's role but everyone behaved themselves and
nothing was said too out of line except for one
hilarious joke Kiri played on those of us down here
asking questions. The night was shorter than normal
with just over an hour of time spent during the
channeling session. For the most part, all the
subjects were on one third dimensional topic or
another though Kiri did bring up the Flowers of
Sirius with their special functions our guest Skip
was just hearing about for the first time. With Omal
gone, any areas that we might have wandered into of
a sensitive nature were avoided and so which kept
things pretty much focused on things affecting us
and the planet starting with Tia and ending with
Speaking of Tia, she launches
immediately into the explosive situation in the
India, Pakistan and Afghanistan areas of our globe
and how the ability of Pakistan to detonate a
nuclear device had made the situation there very
unstable. she transitions into the stock market and
the comparisons between the current market activity
and those of the stock market crash of 1928. She
also treats us to why the market fluctuates as
various markets open around the globe in a 24 hour
period. That brings her time to an end so Karra
makes her appearance and we get through the rest of
the side with her take on repressed memories. She
starts out going over mental healing done on a third
dimensional level and how psychoanalysts will bring
up repressed or hidden memories and try to work
through those. With a client in such a suggestive
state though is a dangerous time to explore what
might not be there so the moral implications of such
a thing are discussed. The lives in the satellite
world of the patient could be affected and this
would be a case where the cure may be worse than the
problem. How she finishes the side is by explaining
how counselors on the sixth dimension working on a
fix for the fear for example instead of the root
Not having finished up yet
with fears yet, she gets side two with some last
thoughts to wrap up the subject. From there we
return to the subject of repressed memories and
expand the topic to the karma that is created with
bringing up the memory. She warns about the dangers
of an implanted memories which is where a concern
about the possibility of my doing that in the past
life regressions I did came up. We look at one
recent example where the person thought they were a
werewolf in a past life. Kiri is on after her sister
and takes up a majority of the tape with a variety
of topics starting with a warp engine joke. just as
she gets to a juicy part of how to build a warp
engine we learn she has been pulling our legs the
whole time. From there a question about locoweed
begins an explanation to our guests about the
special flowers of Sirius and of their effects such
as the blue flowers where she compares their effects
to the lotus blossom eaters of Homer's Odyssey.
We discuss the travails of Ulysses
and learn they have similar tales on Sirius.
With a night shorter than normal, she ends
with a warp core revisit before handing back
to Tia. Only a few minutes are left for Tia
to talk about the weather and then make a
joke of her own about bringing a UFO from
the base down here so she can come and visit
a local Renaissance fair
being held that weekend.
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(Tia begins the session as the
night's ring mistress)
Skip: we’re on.
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Skip: how you doing tonight?
Tia: I’m doing good.
Skip: good, I’m glad.
Tia: okay, let us look at the nuclear problem that
we touched upon briefly last week, the fact that
India has nuclear weapons and Pakistan is close to
having capability to explode a nuclear device and
how this affects the stability of the area. Now
being a political analyst which is more what I’m
leaning towards, I’m only going to touch on this
briefly. Nuclear activity, the fact that Pakistan
and India are longtime rivals. It goes back to the
splitting up of India as a whole into three
different provinces, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India.
Bangladesh and Pakistan are primarily Muslim states,
India is primarily……..I say primarily……..a Hindu
state with areas that are Muslim also. Amritsar for
example is a temple, the
Golden temple at Amritsar? Anybody remember
what went on there?
Shane: I don’t believe I know it.
Tia: well it was a little bit before your time I
Tia: what happened there was a whole load of Muslims
used to launch terrorist attacks on the Hindu
population in that area near Amritsar
supported by certain unsavory political factions in
Pakistan. The area around the temple is a
predominantly Muslim area, a very militant area to
be a better description. Now that whole entire area
of Pakistan, Northwestern India bordering on
Pakistan and also what’s the other country that’s
right there that begins with an A? Afghanistan…..are
very militant type countries and provinces. Now if
certain things transpire which are the testing of a
nuclear device, more friction caused by ethnic
problems, then that area could become very unstable
with nuclear capabilities being in that area would
heighten the situation. Now depending on how
militant the individuals are in those areas depends
on how high the risk is of a nuclear attack one way
or the other. One way being from Pakistan to India
or India to Pakistan. The fact that Afghanistan is
brought into the equation because it’s right there
on the border and the fact that the Afghans
themselves have a lot of experience with weaponry
and are primarily Muslim and primarily extremely
militant in that area and extremely skilled at
warfare to top it all off means that the Pakistanis
may have troops that are seasoned combat veterans
that have access to not only Russian weapons but
American weapons that they were given which makes
the whole entire area very volatile and worth
watching. As I stated last week, I do not see the
possibility as being high of a nuclear strike mainly
because everybody realizes that once a nuclear
attack happens, there’s going to be retaliatory
attacks and the area is going to be uninhabitable
and lots of people will die. However if you get a
individual that is extremely unstable and has their
own agenda, then there are problems. Now moving away
from political fireballs……..no pun intended……..let
us move into the markets, the stock markets and an
interesting article I was reading concerning
fashion……..very interesting article actually……..and
a comparison between hemlines and the Dow……..
(Skip starts chuckling)
Skip: I’ve heard that one.
Russ: yeah I have too.
Shane: I haven’t.
Tia: okay, what have you two heard?
Skip: as the hemlines goes up so does the market, as
they come down so does the market.
Tia: now the funny thing is that the fashions for
fall, guess what?
Skip: they go down.
Tia: uh-huh, long down.
Skip: uh-huh, ankle-length.
Tia: further, touching the ground.
Tia: hmm, interesting.
Tia: if that is correct, take the roaring 20’s for
example, the hemlines came right up almost to where
they are right now……
Skip: yeah they went just a little bit above the
Tia: uh-huh, well actually they went up a little bit
higher towards 1928.
Skip: yeah I think so.
Tia: yeah and then all of a sudden like two or three
months before, long, flowing ankle-length skirts
came back into vogue and the market went phhhttt.
Skip: yep, like the bottom dropped out of it.
Tia: yeah so if the theory is correct and right now
it’s almost to the point of showing the underwear,
if the hemline drops right down to the ground oh
dear, if the theory holds true.
Skip: because they’re up to 900 points right now.
Tia: no, just under 8,000. Now, the problem is as
far as I see with the market on its downward trend
is that it’s been pushing and pushing and pushing up
and up and up and as I’ve stated in the past, it’s
got to run out of steam eventually. Now last time I
made these comments that it was fluctuating rapidly,
I was hesitant to say if it would continue its
upward trend or if it would continue a downward
trend. I’m going to say and be bold and brave that
it will continue this up-and-down motion for some
time, it may even set a new record but I see that as
unlikely, what I do see is heavy fluctuation. One of
the factors to watch is the technology markets and
how they start to respond. The fact that the
earnings have been wonderful for the past three
years and suddenly they’re not making the profits
that they have been, the profits have been very
disappointing. Also a factor into the NASDAQ, and
I’m trying to stay away from this issue, is the
current investigation and indictment of Microsoft.
I’m not going to get into that because that is a
whole political field that I’m trying to stay away
from……are you busy there?
Russ: no I’m thinking because the whole thing with
Microsoft is holding up the market but if it does go
through in a positive way for Microsoft, the
market's going to take a wild jump…..
Russ: and if it takes the other way….
Russ: it’s going to take a major downward slump.
Tia: correct. Unfortunately because Microsoft is so
powerful, is so strong….
(Tia talks to one of the cats in Durondedunn)
Tia: because Microsoft is so strong, then there is
the potential for certain agencies to try to get
power by splitting it up, by forcing it to do its
bidding. Now the common complaint is that Microsoft
has the only operating system that is used by
computer users, that you cannot have a system that
does not have some kind of Microsoft software in
there. Is this so?
Tia: correct, because there is one up there that has
nothing to do with Microsoft in it.
Tia: if they sit back and do what they should do
which is nothing and let Microsoft go about its own
business, Microsoft is going to find that it does
have competition. There is a group right now that is
developing a operating system that is just as good
if not better, can't give you names. There is also
another group that is experimenting with a system
that is far superior to both and is cheaper and it
doesn’t take as long as either system to activate.
It depends on the individual and what the individual
tells it that the individual wants it to start up
with. For example, if the individual wants it to
start up just the workbench, that’s all it will do,
if the individual wants it to start up the workbench
and have various other systems ready to be activated
at a moment’s notice, it will do that. Whether it is
one extra system or a hundred, this speeds up the
speed of the operating system. The thing about
Windows 95 is, it's not an OS. It is a whole of the
programs designed to run together, to operate
together but it is not the OS, it's not the
operating system, is that correct Russ?
Russ: correct, DOS version six I think it is is the
Tia: correct. So, Windows is not a problem because
it is not the operating system, the government is
saying that it is, it's not. I don’t know where
they're getting their facts from……
Russ: well I mean everybody uses the same term.
Tia: and it’s kind of a follow the lead type of
thing, it goes back to the same, same procedure as
nicotine, tobacco. It’s because the money. Okay now,
Skip: the fluctuation in the market today, in
Tia: third day that it’s fluctuated.
Skip: I believe, now this is my personal opinion
Skip: I believe the speed of communications has a
lot to do with that.
Tia: oh yes most certainly.
Skip: when back in the '20’s you didn’t have the
speed of communications you’ve got today.
Tia: yes and no, you had the wire.
Skip: we had teletype which is a tape running out of
a machine but you didn’t have the worldwide
communication instantly like you do today.
Tia: no, no, it was more probably about a 10 minute
delay from one place to the other, that's as long as
there was connections. There’s a big word there, the
connections between point A and point B.
Skip: yeah if their telegraph or phone lines weren't
hooked in, well actually it was all telegraph in
Tia: well and telephone.
Skip: it wasn’t even over the phone.
Tia: telephone was just starting to get going.
Skip: yeah right and so your telegraph was your main
means of communications other than smoke signals.
Tia: yes, uh-huh, personally I prefer smoke signals.
Skip: but today you have instant communication all
over the world, I think that’s why you have so much
fluctuation in the stock market.
Tia: oh most certainly, most certainly.
Skip: because now they’re talking about, "well the
Nissan market’s down or the...."……..well who cares
about the Nissan market? Let’s pay attention to our
Tia: unfortunately what happens in the Nikkei market
in Japan affects what happens in the F&T Index
and that in turn affects what happens in the NASDAQ
or the Dow Jones which in turns affects what's
happening in Australia. You see it goes from where
the sun comes up first, who opens first which is
Japan to who closes last which is in Wellington in
New Zealand. So you see it works in this whole big
circle. Now if it’s a bad day in one place, it means
that there is a possibility, a higher possibility
than a good day in another place which means that
the next place that opens………..let’s say we start off
with Japan, Japan opens and they drop 158 okay?
Which means that when the London market opens or the
Frankfurt market opens or the Madrid or the Paris or
the Vienna or Warsaw, when they open, their chances
of having a bad day are higher. Let’s say they have
a bad day which means that the chances are even
higher for a bad day in the United States which
means more than likely it’s going to be a bad day in
Wellington. The following morning just as Wellington
closes, Japan opens back up………let’s say they have a
okay day, they’re up just a tad which means that the
chances are now higher that it’s going to be up in
Warsaw which means a possibility it's going to be
higher again in London which means that it’s
probably more than likely it’s going to be a good
day in New York. Now let’s throw a little bit of an
equation in there, let’s say Japan opens and it has
a bad day, Warsaw opens and it has a hmmm okay kind
of day. And now there is a possibility either way
for the London F&T index to have a good day.
Let’s say that has an okay day which means that the
chances are in the United States either way, could
have a good day could have a bad day. See that’s
where it starts to get a little tricky on
predictions is that if it’s a constant down, down,
down, more than likely is going to be down. Not will
be, more than likely, there is a possibility that it
could be an okay day, up maybe 10 points, maybe down
two points, that’s an okay kind of day. That’s the
way with the instantaneous communication that things
Russ: well the question’s been asked whether or not
that’s such a good thing because with instantaneous
communication, if there is a depression, a crash or
some problem somewhere else, then basically you’re
going to have computers which run on automatic mode
instantly communicating their desires for all of
their people who deposit money into those basic
Russ: saying sell here because all these parameters
Tia: yes, in a way it's designed to save money
however there is procedures to stop that, that at a
Russ: they’re speed bumps….
Russ: it doesn’t stop them it just slows them down.
Tia: it slows them down long enough for people to
Russ: but if there’s something really bad, people
aren’t going to really respond too much to the fact
that well, "alright, let’s think about this, now
let's dump it."
Tia: well if you remember when the Dow dropped 550
points in the space of six hours, trading ceased for
Tia: that gives everybody enough time to regroup and
look at the situation. And it bounced back bigger
than it had ever done and in the following week
after that kind of loss it bounced back and bounced
back over by a hundred.
Skip: what’d we do, run you off?
Tia: no, no, no, no, no, no, I’ve run out of time.
Besides, I’ve got to go and talk to a young lady
that is misbehaving.
Shane: who’s that?
Skip: see you later babe.
(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)
(Shane tries to says goodbye
(Karra takes on the role of
Skip: hi darling.
Russ: hey sweetheart.
Karra: hey, how’s it going?
Skip: great, how about you?
Karra: it’s going good.
Karra: uh-huh, yes children problems.
Skip: children problems?
Karra: uh-huh, Minerva is misbehaving.
Skip: oh boy.
Karra: that’s Tia’s middle one, the one that thinks
she’s a cat.
Karra: okay, let me see, as I’m doing Omal’s job
Karra: uh-huh. Okay ambassadorial duties. Next week
we have a guest speaker that is returning from
Sirius so if possible it would be appropriate for an
early channeling session, preferably the guest
speaker is requesting daylight. Russ you know what
Russ: we’ll have dinner after the session.
Karra: probably, that might be appropriate. Could be
a long session too. Okay, also the following week we
will have a special guest speaker, somebody that has
communicated before and is an excellent communicator
as was requested. I think you know who that is Russ.
Russ: uh-huh. (Korton)
Karra: we've finally been able to line them up and
get them set for a channeling session.
Russ: Leonedies or actually Omal went through and
did whole nine yards?
Karra: it was a combined effort.
Russ: oh good.
Karra: it was a team effort that was a learning
experience for both.
Russ: I can believe that.
Karra: yes. Okay, now the upcoming discussions, it
seems to me and I mentioned this to you a while ago
Russ that things that things have slowed down a
little bit on it.
Karra: okay it’s getting to the point where it’s
necessary to start to pursue it again.
Karra: as Sananda said, “don’t crucify yourself”.
What was his exact words? Don’t crucify yourself,
I’ve had some experience at this?”
Russ: “I’ve had some experience with this.” Yeah.
Karra: so it is important to take your time but not
let it drop totally.
Karra: what I may do next week is give an
ambassadorial little speech. Okay let’s get on to
answering questions, okay? As a reminder, Shane,
what do I do?
Shane: what are you?
Karra: I’m a healer, I heal.
Shane: you heal people.
Karra: that’s right, something I enjoy doing that I
don’t get an opportunity to do much. Now, healing,
there is physical healing and mental healing and
spiritual healing. Let us look at the most common
kind of healing, mental healing, dealing with mental
problems. It is popular in pseudo-scientific circles
to blame a lot of problems on repressed or hidden
memories. This is tosh and bunk, either it happened
or it didn’t happen. If looking at a dysfunction,
the analyst comes to the conclusion that there was
some kind of abuse whether it was physical or mental
and it is being repressed and they talk the person
into believing that it's a repressed memory, then
you have serious problems. That is something to be
careful to watch out for. It is common for people
that have the need to talk to what would you call
Skip: a good listener.
Shane: head shrinkers.
Karra: what’s a head shrinker? Isn’t that a….
Karra: oh psychiatrist, psychoanalyst. Those are
some of the shakiest areas because it is a
subjective point of view. A psychoanalyst takes what
they think they know, analyzes it with the aid of
the person, they look at it and they come to a
conclusion. Frequently they come to the right
conclusion, just as frequently they come to the
wrong conclusion. I’ve noticed recently and Tia’s
brought it to my attention that there are families
that have been torn asunder by so-called repressed
memories of child molestation when in actual fact
this wasn't the case. On the other hand, sometimes
by opening up these wounds that have been repressed
of such things as child molestation, beatings,
mental torment and so on can cause more problems
than it solves. It’s kind of like picking a scab, if
you pick a scab, it takes longer to heal. If you
pick it occasionally, it's part of the healing
process but if you’re picking it constantly, it
becomes festered and does more damage. And this is
what some psychoanalysts do, they take a possible
event and blow it out of all proportion and do more
damage in the so-called aid for healing than is
actually done. They may heal the person but they
destroy the patient.
Skip: well that’s for sure.
Karra: very strange, very strange.
Shane: happens a lot.
Karra: it does unfortunately according to Tia. So
there are certain ethical questions of healing when
you’re doing mental healing that need to be
addressed. One is if you suspect that there's a
hidden problem, a repressed memory, is it
appropriate to dig at it and find out if it is a
real memory or a misinterpreted memory or a fake
memory? Most people when they’re in healing sessions
that are in a counseling healing session are very
open and receptive to suggestions. You can basically
turn them into puppets at that point so it is a very
strong ethical question on the healer themselves. Is
the healer having a bad day, does the healer like
the person, does the healer like the person but
hates one of the people involved? You have to be
very careful when you’re picking at these things and
that healers that deal with these kind of thing
should be put through a special training course to
deal with morals and be able to repress their
opinions, their points of view, their thought
processes and look logically at the facts. Not what
is maybe, what maybe not, just the facts. So that is
a way of dealing as a healer with mental problems,
the first step, the ethical questions. Any
Karra: I can see I’ve stirred up a hornets nest.
Russ: now one thing I’ve got is, oftentimes a
psychologist is digging up repressed memories due to
the fact that the person he is analyzing……
Shane: he or she.
Russ: he or she has got a problem dealing with
society where something that would be caused by some
memory that is holding them back from contributing
or expressing themselves due to the fact that
they've repressed this thing and it's eating away at
them subconsciously and don’t even know about
Russ: it makes up a part of their personality and
Russ: by bringing it out, you’re effectively
changing that personality, changing their lifestyle
good or bad….
Russ: usually bad because everybody involved is
usually hurt by it but in their eyes they’re
helping, they’re healing that what they call an
abnormal or aberrant…..
Karra: behavioral pattern.
Russ: behavioral patterns.
Russ: caused by the fact that something has been
repressed for that long.
Karra: sometimes it’s best to not bring up
repressed, so-called repressed or real repressed
memories because as you pointed out, it does damage.
In healing the patient you destroy the friends and
you cause more problems. Some psychoanalysts do this
and will have a whole string of patients that are
all related one after another. "My wife found out
that she was molested by her father, she’s taking it
out on me, she hates all men, what do I do?" And
goes to the same psychiatrist or psychoanalyst that
was the person that brought up the memory.
Skip: okay I got a question for you if you don’t
Karra: yes I do mind.
(Skip starts chuckling)
Skip: okay these patients have learned to live with
these memories or events that happened in their
lives and they've gone on to build a fruitful life,
wouldn’t it be better just to leave them memories
and bits and coincidence and stuff alone?
Karra: in most cases I would say yes.
Russ: there’s some cases where you would say no too.
Karra: correct and in the cases where it’s best to
leave them alone is if the person is functioning
reasonably normally. In those situations if a
patient was to come to a psychiatrist up here or
psychoanalyst up here, they would talk about well
the problem, not the root cause of the problem but
how to fix the problem. For example, let’s make up a
fictional person. Let's say there is a person that
comes to one of our psychoanalysts and has an
aversion to short people.
Shane: to what?
Skip: short people.
Karra: short people. Now how would you overcome that
problem? And the analyst would discuss it with the
subject and look at the fear and say, “well it’s an
irrational fear, little people cannot hurt you.” But
maybe a long time ago the person as a child was
beaten frequently by somebody that was short in
Karra: but has repressed that memory, very unlikely
up here but I’m taking it as a hypothetical
Skip: yeah go-ahead babe.
Karra: so how do you address and fix the problem
that this person has an irrational fear of short
people? What you would do is introduce them to
somebody that is sitting behind a chair, behind a
table at the same height as they are and they would
be introduced and talk to each other regularly in
the same setting.
Russ: hmm, makes sense.
Karra: now the person would get up and maybe the
person’s taller, maybe the person’s shorter,
preferably the person’s taller to start off with and
then after let’s say 12 sessions there’s two people
there sitting side-by-side behind the desk appearing
to be the same height as the person that they’re
talking to and at the end of the session the person
leaves and this goes on for another 12 sessions
where at the end of that 12 sessions both people get
up and one is tall and one is short.
Karra: and that is approaching the fear that the
person has been getting to know somebody that they
don’t know whether they're tall or short on a
one-on-one and then from there a new person would be
introduced that maybe is a little bit shorter than
the second person so that they get used to dealing
with short people so therefore the problem is
addressed. Now it doesn’t always work. For example
let’s take a subject that has an irrational fear but
an irrational fear that is grounded in fact and in
certain environments is a healthy fear,
arachnophobia. Some spiders serve a very useful
function, in fact all spiders do. However, some
spiders carry a deadly toxin and having a fear of
those spiders because spiders are unpredictable is
healthy. How would you cure somebody of that fear?
Expose them to spiders? Could be dangerous, not only
in an emotional level or a heart level, but in a
health level as well. Could be terminable. So fears
like that, do you address them or not?
Shane: you could teach them about spiders.
Skip: no that won’t work.
Karra: no it’s a very tricky field to deal with.
Skip: I think the best way to go with that darling
would be to educate a person to what is and what
isn’t a deadly spider.
Karra: yes I agree, I agree but it still doesn’t
address the fear.
Skip: no I understand that.
Karra: there is somebody I would like to discuss
this with but I don’t think they would cooperate
because their irrational fear of spiders
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Karra returns to start the
Karra: is one moment it’s high and the next moment
it’s low. It’s like Tia’s analogy on the stock
market, it fluctuates……
Karra: one moment it climbs, the next moment it
drops, it stays stable, it climbs a little bit, it
drops a lot, it climbs a lot, it stays stable and
so on, that’s fluctuation.
Skip: the same with people’s fear.
Karra: yes and I would really like to talk to the
subject but I know for a fact that the subject
would not cooperate because of the fear of
Karra: and I know
the subject knows it’s an irrational fear, I know
that the subject knows what spiders……..he’s
probably more well-informed about spiders than
most people on your planet but the subject still
has an irrational fear. Okay, any more questions?
Skip: not on that end of it.
Karra: well questions in general on healing.
Skip: well I’m running into a reverend is her
title that’s doing a spiritual, physical healing
Karra: uh-huh, she’s the one working on your
Skip: I’m sorry?
Karra: she’s one working on your chakras?
Skip: yes, yes and aura……
Skip: and evidently from what I’ve read, the
college that she went through, she can read auras
and chakras okay?
Skip: and she’s……I’m getting back to being my old
Skip: because from what I’ve studied and read from
the lady that established the college that she
went through, the auras and different colors and
different patterns around a person shows what
their problems are…..
Karra: uh-huh yes.
Skip: physically, spiritually and emotionally and
she’s dealing with all these things on me.
Skip: and it seems like I’m getting more benefit
out of this type of healing than anything I’ve run
Karra: yes, uh-huh.
Skip: I was just wondering, I feel good about it,
I just wonder if I’m doing the right thing? I
think I am.
Karra: well if you’re feeling good….
Karra: well there’s your answer.
Skip: yeah but sometimes you wonder…..
Karra: wondering is good.
Skip: if maybe it’s just a hype……
Skip: you know what I’m saying.
Karra: well if it’s working and making you feel
Skip: yeah it really is, I feel better about
myself which I was pretty down on me for a long
Karra: well you have some very good friends.
Skip: yes, yes I do, some excellent friends.
Karra: okay next question?
Russ: yeah when you’re dealing with a
psychoanalyst and the patient role, how closely
should you be following up on the karmic end of
that? For example if you’re bringing up these
repressed memories or something, you’re going to
be creating karma that’s going to affect you,
them, the people that did it whereas otherwise if
you had left this alone, then it would’ve happened
Karra: well it’s something you need to approach
very carefully as I said, it’s heading to a goal,
an objective. If you do bring up repressed
memories and you’ve got to remember that a person
is very susceptible to suggestion at that
Karra: that you
could bring up a memory of your own by accident
and without meaning to implant it onto them and
they think it’s a repressed memory so you have to
be very, very careful when you're doing that. But,
let us assume that you bring up a repressed memory
that is a true repressed memory. Again you do it
gradually little by little addressing each little
aspect and nuance at a time in one session. You
bring up one little thing and you address and look
at that and you may spend not only one session but
many sessions dealing with that one problem, that
one little nuance. You talk it to death and you
look at it from all possible aspects. You look at
it saying, “well what would the person be thinking
if they were doing that? Why would they do that?”
Maybe it’s not as we think it was because after
all, we see one thing but it may be something
Karra: for example, you see a child pick up a
handful of dirt and throw it at another child.
Well, what caused the child to do that?
Shane: experimentation or something else.
Karra: could be many different things. Could be
the fact that the child asked, "throw dirt at me",
it could be the fact that the child saw something
in the dirt and went to grab it and the person
goes, "hey throw that here.” Many, many different
possibilities. So you’ve got to look at a
situation from all possible angles and by looking
at them, you talk them to death, you talk them out
of existence. What was the person thinking, why
were they thinking that, well what else could they
have been thinking? You see?
Russ: uh-huh, okay, thank you.
Karra: next question?
Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.
Karra: it’s an old theory up here, old and
Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.
Russ: catching on down here I guess.
Skip: yeah, Dianetics has for several years, I
just think that they’re approaching it the wrong
Karra: another way of wording it is that it’s
their interpretations, the person that is
Skip: there you go.
Karra: is interpreting it in their limited
Skip: that’s it exactly and I believe that’s
Karra: oh it is very wrong, very wrong that I
could have any one of you down on the couch and I
could implant a thought into your head and you
would think that it was your own thought and I
could do that without thinking, being totally
distracted. Our analysts up here are trained with
the ability to block out their emotions, they're a
very, very odd bunch up here because they seem
Skip: that’s how they seem, yeah.
Karra: yes but in actual fact……
Skip: very unemotional.
Karra: they’re very emotional people.
Skip: but they have to block it all out.
Karra: yes they’re very empathic, they feel
everybody’s emotions but yet they have to block
them out, you're quite correct. Okay, last
Skip: no more from me darling.
Russ: of course I’ve got one. When you’re working
like say as I am when I’m working with my
counseling with the past life regressions…..
Russ: I’m not putting anything out to them as far
as anything that I might add on to their
experience, I’m merely letting their guides take
them through and all I’m doing is providing the
impetus to get there but even so, their own
memories might be coming into that play even if
they’re not like deep down memories that are
coming out and making themselves known. For
example Mr. (name has been edited) who had the, I
think it was him, yeah who had the…….
Karra: werewolf fixation?
Russ: yeah that’s the one. Now I'm going to have a
tough time unless he’s from just another planet
believing that he was a full-on werewolf and going
around and scarfing on people and living with all
these other werewolves. Now it sounds like
something coming out of Dungeons & Dragons or
something like that, one of those role-playing
games and it's forcing itself upon his
Russ: but he sees it is real. He leaves the
session going away thinking he was a werewolf.
Karra: to him it was real.
Russ: I agree but is that a conscious moral wise
Karra: for you it was not real, for him it was
real. It was his experience as a werewolf, whether
or not it was a past life or not is besides the
point. The fact is that it was real, it is
unlikely that it would be on your planet if it was
on a planet. It is his subconscious interacting in
a way that it comes and dominates the regression
process. In doing so what happens is that his
creativity side comes out and goes, “oh party
time, let’s have fun. Okay let’s play Dungeons
& Dragons.” You see?
Karra: and in that happening it becomes very real
for the subject, it really did happen for
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: but it happened for the first time in the
past life regression. That was a past life for him
because it was a past life regression and
behavioral patterns are involved in that. The
lifestyle, the hierarchy, the mindset are all part
Russ: it was very detailed.
Karra: of the lucidness of the regression and that
in itself is a key point to looking at somebody’s
life. For him it was real, it happened, it really
did happen. You see?
Russ: uh-huh, I see.
Karra: okay, I’m also filling in a little bit as
Tia and Mark are dealing with a problem child.
Karra: okay, catch you later.
Russ: bye love.
Shane: good luck.
Karra: thank you.
(Tia transitions us between speakers)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia, any problems?
Tia: ones that we can deal with.
Tia: okay, any questions?
Skip: how do I build a warp engine?
Tia: you’re asking the wrong person, I could tell
you who to put money on in the stock market.
(that gets Skip going in laughter)
Russ: (chuckling) yeah right.
Skip: oh golly.
Tia: okay, any more questions?
Skip: I don’t think so darling.
(Kiri talks legends)
Kiri: how’s it going Skip?
Skip: just fine, how about you?
Kiri: I’m doing good. So you want a warp core
Kiri: as Omal’s not here, let me see….
Skip: no, no wait a minute, don’t get yourself
over a barrel.
Kiri: okay what you need to do is get two convexed
crystals, high-strength crystals that can take
light focused at high intensity and I mean real
high intensity. Okay what you need is a confined
chamber field that uses resonant magnetic energy.
You put it in a glass, you mix, shake, pour in
vermouth, little bit of scotch, little bit of
Cognac, some tequila, mix again, pour it out over
Skip: and get drunker than *&*^&*.
Kiri: yep, you thought I was going to give
something there away didn’t you?
Russ: cognac and tequila?
Russ: cognac and tequila?
Kiri: have you ever tried it?
Skip: and vermouth.
Russ: what a mess.
Skip: oh yeah.
Russ: I wouldn’t think about driving.
Skip: and get drunker than *&*^&*.
Russ: it would taste like hell.
Kiri: but you can live on it.
Shane: not for very long.
Russ: you'd have a great time doing it though.
Kiri: do you know what we call it up here?
Kiri: rocket fuel.
Skip: I’m sure you do.
Kiri: yes I have a colleague that has his own
private hooch farm.
Skip: hooch farm?
Kiri: uh-huh, yeah we call him Mooch the Hooch.
Skip: well we got one down here that they call a
Kiri: okay, that's somebody without brains right?
Skip: and it’s seven different layers of booze in
Kiri: sounds like my kind of drink.
Skip: let me ask you a question young lady.
Kiri: thank you, you’re making everybody’s day up
Skip: we have a weed that grows in the wild in the
western part of the United States….
Skip: and when animals eat it they get drunk and
it's called loco
weed. What the devil is that? I’ve seen it,
I know what it looks like and I know animals eat
it and they do get giddy as hell and everything
else you know what I’m saying, they get drunk,
they really do?
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s possible it sits in their
intestines and I’m not really a biologist….
Skip: okay, all right, I just thought maybe you
Kiri: yeah I’m more interested in religious
practices even though I’m an engineer, even though
I'm a party animal, even though I enjoy things of
Skip: I was just wondering if humans ever got a
hold of this garbage, loco weed. And I don’t know
what’s the proper name for it, I really don’t.
Kiri: we have a particular variety of recreational
herb, they're flowers, they come in three distinct
colors. There’s the red ones which make you very
hyper, give you tons of energy, give you a great
buzz, keep you up for about 48 hours, it’s great
but you don’t get headaches, there’s no negative
Skip: that’s neat.
Kiri: yeah it just leaves you afterwards totally
washed out and you sleep.
Skip: for 24 hours.
Kiri: about that. Then there is the blue flowers
which are a depressant. They make you very mellow,
make you happy, make you nice and even, if you eat
too many of them you just fall asleep.
Skip: hmmm that’s wild.
Kiri: and they're used in healings, they’re very
juicy both the red and the blue so there’s a lot
of fluid in them that you can actually eat them as
a meal and survive on them.
Kiri: if you eat one or the other they don’t
counteract each other, you get both effects one
after another. The red ones are a lot of fun if
you’re planning on cramming for college, if you’re
doing a lot and you just have lots of energy,
you're senses are sharpened, you're very active,
you’re very bouncy, you’re very bubbly and then
phhtt. Once it’s worn off there’s no fall coming
down, you start to feel a little bit tired and the
more tired and then finally it's sort of like, "I
got to lay down".
Skip: and go to sleep.
Kiri: yep and the more that you eat of them, the
more energizing energetic you become and the only
negative thing is if you eat too many you throw
Skip: your system rejects it.
Kiri: yeah, it just rejects it. Then there’s the
pink ones, my favorite ones. These are an
(Skip starts laughing loudly)
Kiri: let’s not go into to those.…….
Skip: yeah okay nevermind.
Kiri: there are young minds present.
Skip: bring me one.
Kiri: nearest that I can get to them is you ever
heard of the Lotus Blossom Eaters? From I believe
it would be the tales of brave Ulysses? Your Greek
Homer, the Greek storyteller?
Kiri: doesn’t Mark have the Iliad down here?
Kiri: he has the Odyssey.
Kiri: and that’s the book.
Russ: that is the book.
Kiri: here we go. You might want to read it, it’s
Russ: great stories.
Kiri: better ask Mark if you could borrow it
actually, there I'm giving his books out and he
has an aversion to that doesn't he?
Russ: stories of the Cyclops, the Sirens……
Russ: battles of Troy, in fact well actually after
Russ: this is Ulysses' voyage home after the
battles of Troy.
Russ: and the gods decide to play havoc with his
Kiri: does he the Iliad too?
Kiri: no, no Iliad?
Russ: uh-uh I don’t think so, I haven’t seen it.
Kiri: but that in itself is an interesting topic,
Kiri: the Lotus Blossom Eaters, it gives a very
good description of a very odd effect of a strain
of blue flowers that does exist.
Russ: and there have been people who have traced
that route out that is described in that book and
have found similar places along that route that
match up with descriptions that are put in that
Kiri: uh-huh, they haven’t been able to pinpoint
Ithaca yet though.
Russ: no but they found the land of the Lotus
Russ: they found where the Cyclops would have
Russ: they found where the Sirens hung out.
Kiri: uh-huh, they also found…..
Russ: they found Troy.
Kiri: uh-huh. What’s it, that was Schliemann?
Kiri: uh-huh, see, I do know your Earth history.
Russ: very good darling.
Russ: I didn’t remember his name.
Kiri: yes and his native bride that he decked out
in the jewelry
that he found?
Kiri: it was very unlikely that it belonged to so
the called Helen, I don’t think Helen actually
Russ: no but Agamemnon did.
Kiri: uh-huh yes, he found Mycenae.
Russ: uh-huh. He found where the Minotaur was
Kiri: uh-huh. Yes and he was frowned upon.
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway,
where were we? You have questions.
Russ: the legends.
Kiri: yes, the legends, we have similar legends on
our planet back home on Sirius. There are legends
of the great sailings and kind of like the Odyssey
and the Iliad. I think it's common throughout
many, many different worlds, they have the same
basic stories. Mainly because life on different
planets seem to go through very distinct set
Russ: hmm, yeah but again there you have the same
thing where someone might have taken a journey and
based their story upon their travels upon that
journey and made up mythical people to fill in
those gaps in their story where the people would
Kiri: we wandered way off the subject, okay where
were we? Oh yes, okay so what you do is you get
your crystalline structures right?
Skip: you better quit that right now.
Kiri: okay we were talking about herbal substances
Skip: we was talking about a rocket engine.
Kiri: oh yes we were weren’t we?
Skip: yeah a warp engine, not a rocket engine.
Kiri: hmm, yes.
Skip: well I know you can’t tell me.
Kiri: no I can’t.
Skip: I know you can’t honey, I just trying to
torment you a little.
Kiri: uh-huh I know, I know and we're having a
free night to chitchat mainly because Omal’s not
around so the mice can play.
Skip: okay, all right. I don’t know but we’re
going to have to head down the hill pretty quick
Kiri: oh well.
Shane: it's snowing outside, it’s snowing outside.
Kiri: okay, catch you kids later.
Russ: bye Kiri.
(Tia ends the night early)
(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Russ: you did a good job filling in without Omal
Tia: I think everybody behaved extremely well.
Skip: I think they done just fine.
Skip: I was just teasing but that’s okay.
Tia: yes uh-huh, tease, tease, tease, tease,
tease. Okay, the weather's going to get better
Skip: I hope so.
Tia: keep your paws crossed.
Skip: I’m running out of patience with winter.
Russ: everybody is.
Skip: I think so.
Skip: everybody saying the same thing, they’re
getting tired of winter.
Tia: well unfortunately I don’t think it’s over
Skip: well we’ve got the rest of the week.
Skip: I just hope we have better weather for the
second week of June.
Tia: yes I hope you do.
Skip: we need better weather for that.
Tia: uh-huh, yeah........
Skip: because that’s going to ruin our attendance
at the Renaissance fair.
Tia: well I don’t think it will ruin it, it will
just make it not as big as they were expecting.
Skip: yeah, that’s true.
Skip: but that’s…..
Tia: I’m looking forward to watching that
Skip: well come on up to the trailer and you can
see it firsthand.
Tia: no we’’ll just pull up, park the UFO next
Skip: I’d enjoy that.
Shane: me too, sneak peak.
Tia: yeah, park the UFO outside, come wandering
Skip: I’ll put the coffee pot on.
Tia: coffee? Ugghk, tea.
Skip: I can put the teapot on too.
Skip: I think I got tea in the trailer.
Tia: I like Oolong or Shui Hsien tea. Well I think
the tape's over so we'll wrap things up, I've got
to go and look at Athena’s arm.
Tia: and girls will be girls.
Shane: and boys will be boys with bugs
Tia: where I come from, we are the dominant
gender, males are very placid and cooperative.
Shane: yes? Well…….nevermind.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay….
Russ: bye darling.
Skip: bye babe, see you next week.
THE TAPE ENDS