The Ladies of Hades......Base- Channeled (05/26/98)

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Archivist Notes: This month is the second of two where only the ladies of the base were the featured speakers so the title comes in honor of that rare occurrence. This was a night where Karra took on Omal's role but everyone behaved themselves and nothing was said too out of line except for one hilarious joke Kiri played on those of us down here asking questions. The night was shorter than normal with just over an hour of time spent during the channeling session. For the most part, all the subjects were on one third dimensional topic or another though Kiri did bring up the Flowers of Sirius with their special functions our guest Skip was just hearing about for the first time. With Omal gone, any areas that we might have wandered into of a sensitive nature were avoided and so which kept things pretty much focused on things affecting us and the planet starting with Tia and ending with Tia.

   Speaking of Tia, she launches immediately into the explosive situation in the India, Pakistan and Afghanistan areas of our globe and how the ability of Pakistan to detonate a nuclear device had made the situation there very unstable. she transitions into the stock market and the comparisons between the current market activity and those of the stock market crash of 1928. She also treats us to why the market fluctuates as various markets open around the globe in a 24 hour period. That brings her time to an end so Karra makes her appearance and we get through the rest of the side with her take on repressed memories. She starts out going over mental healing done on a third dimensional level and how psychoanalysts will bring up repressed or hidden memories and try to work through those. With a client in such a suggestive state though is a dangerous time to explore what might not be there so the moral implications of such a thing are discussed. The lives in the satellite world of the patient could be affected and this would be a case where the cure may be worse than the problem. How she finishes the side is by explaining how counselors on the sixth dimension working on a fix for the fear for example instead of the root cause.

   Not having finished up yet with fears yet, she gets side two with some last thoughts to wrap up the subject. From there we return to the subject of repressed memories and expand the topic to the karma that is created with bringing up the memory. She warns about the dangers of an implanted memories which is where a concern about the possibility of my doing that in the past life regressions I did came up. We look at one recent example where the person thought they were a werewolf in a past life. Kiri is on after her sister and takes up a majority of the tape with a variety of topics starting with a warp engine joke. just as she gets to a juicy part of how to build a warp engine we learn she has been pulling our legs the whole time. From there a question about locoweed begins an explanation to our guests about the special flowers of Sirius and of their effects such as the blue flowers where she compares their effects to the lotus blossom eaters of Homer's Odyssey. We discuss the travails of Ulysses and learn they have similar tales on Sirius. With a night shorter than normal, she ends with a warp core revisit before handing back to Tia. Only a few minutes are left for Tia to talk about the weather and then make a joke of her own about bringing a UFO from the base down here so she can come and visit a local Renaissance fair being held that weekend.          

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KARRA RUSS (Archivist)



2.)(18:34) - Karra has a lot to say on the mental health treatments on the 3rd dimension in regards to repressed memories being brought up in therapy and how they do it on the 6th.


2.)(12:21)- Kiri describes the making of a warp engine, the effects of both the red and blue flowers of Sirius and a possible inspiration for some characters in Homer's Odyssey.

3.)(22:54)- Tia jokes about bringing a ship from the base down to visit our local Renaissance fair.

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(Tia begins the session as the night's ring mistress)

Skip: we’re on.

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Skip: how you doing tonight?

Tia: I’m doing good.

Skip: good, I’m glad.

Tia: okay, let us look at the nuclear problem that we touched upon briefly last week, the fact that India has nuclear weapons and Pakistan is close to having capability to explode a nuclear device and how this affects the stability of the area. Now being a political analyst which is more what I’m leaning towards, I’m only going to touch on this briefly. Nuclear activity, the fact that Pakistan and India are longtime rivals. It goes back to the splitting up of India as a whole into three different provinces, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. Bangladesh and Pakistan are primarily Muslim states, India is primarily……..I say primarily……..a Hindu state with areas that are Muslim also. Amritsar for example is a temple, the Golden temple at Amritsar? Anybody remember what went on there?

Shane: I don’t believe I know it.

Tia: well it was a little bit before your time I believe Shane.

Skip: no.

Tia: what happened there was a whole load of Muslims used to launch terrorist attacks on the Hindu population in that area near
Amritsar supported by certain unsavory political factions in Pakistan. The area around the temple is a predominantly Muslim area, a very militant area to be a better description. Now that whole entire area of Pakistan, Northwestern India bordering on Pakistan and also what’s the other country that’s right there that begins with an A? Afghanistan…..are very militant type countries and provinces. Now if certain things transpire which are the testing of a nuclear device, more friction caused by ethnic problems, then that area could become very unstable with nuclear capabilities being in that area would heighten the situation. Now depending on how militant the individuals are in those areas depends on how high the risk is of a nuclear attack one way or the other. One way being from Pakistan to India or India to Pakistan. The fact that Afghanistan is brought into the equation because it’s right there on the border and the fact that the Afghans themselves have a lot of experience with weaponry and are primarily Muslim and primarily extremely militant in that area and extremely skilled at warfare to top it all off means that the Pakistanis may have troops that are seasoned combat veterans that have access to not only Russian weapons but American weapons that they were given which makes the whole entire area very volatile and worth watching. As I stated last week, I do not see the possibility as being high of a nuclear strike mainly because everybody realizes that once a nuclear attack happens, there’s going to be retaliatory attacks and the area is going to be uninhabitable and lots of people will die. However if you get a individual that is extremely unstable and has their own agenda, then there are problems. Now moving away from political fireballs…… pun intended……..let us move into the markets, the stock markets and an interesting article I was reading concerning fashion……..very interesting article actually……..and a comparison between hemlines and the Dow……..

(Skip starts chuckling)

Tia: yes?

Skip: I’ve heard that one.

Russ: yeah I have too.

Shane: I haven’t.

Tia: okay, what have you two heard?

Skip: as the hemlines goes up so does the market, as they come down so does the market.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yep.

Tia: now the funny thing is that the fashions for fall, guess what?

Skip: they go down.

Tia: uh-huh, long down.

Skip: uh-huh, ankle-length.

Tia: further, touching the ground.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: hmm, interesting.

Shane: hmmm.

Tia: if that is correct, take the roaring 20’s for example, the hemlines came right up almost to where they are right now……

Skip: yeah they went just a little bit above the knee.

Tia: uh-huh, well actually they went up a little bit higher towards 1928.

Skip: yeah I think so.

Tia: yeah and then all of a sudden like two or three months before, long, flowing ankle-length skirts came back into vogue and the market went phhhttt.

Skip: yep, like the bottom dropped out of it.

Tia: yeah so if the theory is correct and right now it’s almost to the point of showing the underwear, if the hemline drops right down to the ground oh dear, if the theory holds true.

Skip: because they’re up to 900 points right now.

Tia: no, just under 8,000. Now, the problem is as far as I see with the market on its downward trend is that it’s been pushing and pushing and pushing up and up and up and as I’ve stated in the past, it’s got to run out of steam eventually. Now last time I made these comments that it was fluctuating rapidly, I was hesitant to say if it would continue its upward trend or if it would continue a downward trend. I’m going to say and be bold and brave that it will continue this up-and-down motion for some time, it may even set a new record but I see that as unlikely, what I do see is heavy fluctuation. One of the factors to watch is the technology markets and how they start to respond. The fact that the earnings have been wonderful for the past three years and suddenly they’re not making the profits that they have been, the profits have been very disappointing. Also a factor into the NASDAQ, and I’m trying to stay away from this issue, is the current investigation and indictment of Microsoft. I’m not going to get into that because that is a whole political field that I’m trying to stay away from……are you busy there?

Russ: no I’m thinking because the whole thing with Microsoft is holding up the market but if it does go through in a positive way for Microsoft, the market's going to take a wild jump…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and if it takes the other way….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it’s going to take a major downward slump.

Tia: correct. Unfortunately because Microsoft is so powerful, is so strong….

(Tia talks to one of the cats in Durondedunn)

Tia: because Microsoft is so strong, then there is the potential for certain agencies to try to get power by splitting it up, by forcing it to do its bidding. Now the common complaint is that Microsoft has the only operating system that is used by computer users, that you cannot have a system that does not have some kind of Microsoft software in there. Is this so?

Russ: no.

Tia: correct, because there is one up there that has nothing to do with Microsoft in it.

Russ: right.

Tia: if they sit back and do what they should do which is nothing and let Microsoft go about its own business, Microsoft is going to find that it does have competition. There is a group right now that is developing a operating system that is just as good if not better, can't give you names. There is also another group that is experimenting with a system that is far superior to both and is cheaper and it doesn’t take as long as either system to activate. It depends on the individual and what the individual tells it that the individual wants it to start up with. For example, if the individual wants it to start up just the workbench, that’s all it will do, if the individual wants it to start up the workbench and have various other systems ready to be activated at a moment’s notice, it will do that. Whether it is one extra system or a hundred, this speeds up the speed of the operating system. The thing about Windows 95 is, it's not an OS. It is a whole of the programs designed to run together, to operate together but it is not the OS, it's not the operating system, is that correct Russ?

Russ: correct, DOS version six I think it is is the operation system.

Tia: correct. So, Windows is not a problem because it is not the operating system, the government is saying that it is, it's not. I don’t know where they're getting their facts from……

Russ: well I mean everybody uses the same term.

Tia: and it’s kind of a follow the lead type of thing, it goes back to the same, same procedure as nicotine, tobacco. It’s because the money. Okay now, any questions?

Skip: darling…….

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: the fluctuation in the market today, in today’s market…..

Tia: third day that it’s fluctuated.

Skip: I believe, now this is my personal opinion okay?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I believe the speed of communications has a lot to do with that.

Tia: oh yes most certainly.

Skip: when back in the '20’s you didn’t have the speed of communications you’ve got today.

Tia: yes and no, you had the wire.

Skip: we had teletype which is a tape running out of a machine but you didn’t have the worldwide communication instantly like you do today.

Tia: no, no, it was more probably about a 10 minute delay from one place to the other, that's as long as there was connections. There’s a big word there, the connections between point A and point B.

Skip: yeah if their telegraph or phone lines weren't hooked in, well actually it was all telegraph in them days……

Tia: well and telephone.

Skip: it wasn’t even over the phone.

Tia: telephone was just starting to get going.

Skip: yeah right and so your telegraph was your main means of communications other than smoke signals.

Tia: yes, uh-huh, personally I prefer smoke signals.

Skip: but today you have instant communication all over the world, I think that’s why you have so much fluctuation in the stock market.

Tia: oh most certainly, most certainly.

Skip: because now they’re talking about, "well the Nissan market’s down or the...."……..well who cares about the Nissan market? Let’s pay attention to our own business.

Tia: unfortunately what happens in the Nikkei market in Japan affects what happens in the F&T Index and that in turn affects what happens in the NASDAQ or the Dow Jones which in turns affects what's happening in Australia. You see it goes from where the sun comes up first, who opens first which is Japan to who closes last which is in Wellington in New Zealand. So you see it works in this whole big circle. Now if it’s a bad day in one place, it means that there is a possibility, a higher possibility than a good day in another place which means that the next place that opens………..let’s say we start off with Japan, Japan opens and they drop 158 okay? Which means that when the London market opens or the Frankfurt market opens or the Madrid or the Paris or the Vienna or Warsaw, when they open, their chances of having a bad day are higher. Let’s say they have a bad day which means that the chances are even higher for a bad day in the United States which means more than likely it’s going to be a bad day in Wellington. The following morning just as Wellington closes, Japan opens back up………let’s say they have a okay day, they’re up just a tad which means that the chances are now higher that it’s going to be up in Warsaw which means a possibility it's going to be higher again in London which means that it’s probably more than likely it’s going to be a good day in New York. Now let’s throw a little bit of an equation in there, let’s say Japan opens and it has a bad day, Warsaw opens and it has a hmmm okay kind of day. And now there is a possibility either way for the London F&T index to have a good day. Let’s say that has an okay day which means that the chances are in the United States either way, could have a good day could have a bad day. See that’s where it starts to get a little tricky on predictions is that if it’s a constant down, down, down, more than likely is going to be down. Not will be, more than likely, there is a possibility that it could be an okay day, up maybe 10 points, maybe down two points, that’s an okay kind of day. That’s the way with the instantaneous communication that things work.

Russ: well the question’s been asked whether or not that’s such a good thing because with instantaneous communication, if there is a depression, a crash or some problem somewhere else, then basically you’re going to have computers which run on automatic mode instantly communicating their desires for all of their people who deposit money into those basic funds....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: saying sell here because all these parameters are met.

Tia: yes, in a way it's designed to save money however there is procedures to stop that, that at a certain point…..

Russ: they’re speed bumps….

Tia: correct.

Russ: it doesn’t stop them it just slows them down.

Tia: it slows them down long enough for people to respond.

Russ: but if there’s something really bad, people aren’t going to really respond too much to the fact that well, "alright, let’s think about this, now let's dump it."

Tia: well if you remember when the Dow dropped 550 points in the space of six hours, trading ceased for that day.

Russ: right.

Tia: that gives everybody enough time to regroup and look at the situation. And it bounced back bigger than it had ever done and in the following week after that kind of loss it bounced back and bounced back over by a hundred.

Shane: hmmm.

Skip: what’d we do, run you off?

Tia: no, no, no, no, no, no, I’ve run out of time. Besides, I’ve got to go and talk to a young lady that is misbehaving.

Skip: okay.

Shane: who’s that?

Skip: see you later babe.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Shane tries to says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Karra takes on the role of Omal)

Karra: hello.

Skip: hi darling.

Russ: hey sweetheart.

Karra: hey, how’s it going?

Skip: great, how about you?

Karra: it’s going good.

Skip: super.

Karra: uh-huh, yes children problems.

Skip: children problems?

Karra: uh-huh, Minerva is misbehaving.

Skip: oh boy.

Karra: uh-huh.

Shane: who?

Russ: Minerva.

Karra: that’s Tia’s middle one, the one that thinks she’s a cat.

Skip: well......

Karra: okay, let me see, as I’m doing Omal’s job tonight…….

Russ: again?

Karra: uh-huh. Okay ambassadorial duties. Next week we have a guest speaker that is returning from Sirius so if possible it would be appropriate for an early channeling session, preferably the guest speaker is requesting daylight. Russ you know what that entails.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: okay…..

Russ: we’ll have dinner after the session.

Karra: probably, that might be appropriate. Could be a long session too. Okay, also the following week we will have a special guest speaker, somebody that has communicated before and is an excellent communicator as was requested. I think you know who that is Russ.

Russ: uh-huh. (Korton)

Karra: we've finally been able to line them up and get them set for a channeling session.

Russ: Leonedies or actually Omal went through and did whole nine yards?

Karra: it was a combined effort.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: it was a team effort that was a learning experience for both.

Russ: I can believe that.

Karra: yes. Okay, now the upcoming discussions, it seems to me and I mentioned this to you a while ago Russ that things that things have slowed down a little bit on it.

Russ: right.

Karra: okay it’s getting to the point where it’s necessary to start to pursue it again.

Russ: okay.

Karra: as Sananda said, “don’t crucify yourself”. What was his exact words? Don’t crucify yourself, I’ve had some experience at this?”

Russ: “I’ve had some experience with this.” Yeah.

Karra: so it is important to take your time but not let it drop totally.

Russ: right.

Karra: what I may do next week is give an ambassadorial little speech. Okay let’s get on to answering questions, okay? As a reminder, Shane, what do I do?

Shane: what are you?

Karra: I’m a healer, I heal.

Shane: you heal people.

Karra: that’s right, something I enjoy doing that I don’t get an opportunity to do much. Now, healing, there is physical healing and mental healing and spiritual healing. Let us look at the most common kind of healing, mental healing, dealing with mental problems. It is popular in pseudo-scientific circles to blame a lot of problems on repressed or hidden memories. This is tosh and bunk, either it happened or it didn’t happen. If looking at a dysfunction, the analyst comes to the conclusion that there was some kind of abuse whether it was physical or mental and it is being repressed and they talk the person into believing that it's a repressed memory, then you have serious problems. That is something to be careful to watch out for. It is common for people that have the need to talk to what would you call them, counselors?

Shane: shrinks?

Karra: sorry?

Shane shrinks?

Skip: a good listener.

Shane: head shrinkers.

Karra: what’s a head shrinker? Isn’t that a….

Shane: psychiatrist.

Karra: oh psychiatrist, psychoanalyst. Those are some of the shakiest areas because it is a subjective point of view. A psychoanalyst takes what they think they know, analyzes it with the aid of the person, they look at it and they come to a conclusion. Frequently they come to the right conclusion, just as frequently they come to the wrong conclusion. I’ve noticed recently and Tia’s brought it to my attention that there are families that have been torn asunder by so-called repressed memories of child molestation when in actual fact this wasn't the case. On the other hand, sometimes by opening up these wounds that have been repressed of such things as child molestation, beatings, mental torment and so on can cause more problems than it solves. It’s kind of like picking a scab, if you pick a scab, it takes longer to heal. If you pick it occasionally, it's part of the healing process but if you’re picking it constantly, it becomes festered and does more damage. And this is what some psychoanalysts do, they take a possible event and blow it out of all proportion and do more damage in the so-called aid for healing than is actually done. They may heal the person but they destroy the patient.

Skip: well that’s for sure.

Karra: very strange, very strange.

Shane: happens a lot.

Karra: it does unfortunately according to Tia. So there are certain ethical questions of healing when you’re doing mental healing that need to be addressed. One is if you suspect that there's a hidden problem, a repressed memory, is it appropriate to dig at it and find out if it is a real memory or a misinterpreted memory or a fake memory? Most people when they’re in healing sessions that are in a counseling healing session are very open and receptive to suggestions. You can basically turn them into puppets at that point so it is a very strong ethical question on the healer themselves. Is the healer having a bad day, does the healer like the person, does the healer like the person but hates one of the people involved? You have to be very careful when you’re picking at these things and that healers that deal with these kind of thing should be put through a special training course to deal with morals and be able to repress their opinions, their points of view, their thought processes and look logically at the facts. Not what is maybe, what maybe not, just the facts. So that is a way of dealing as a healer with mental problems, the first step, the ethical questions. Any questions?

Russ: hmm.

Karra: I can see I’ve stirred up a hornets nest.

Russ: now one thing I’ve got is, oftentimes a psychologist is digging up repressed memories due to the fact that the person he is analyzing……

Karra: she.

Shane: he or she.

Russ: he or she has got a problem dealing with society where something that would be caused by some memory that is holding them back from contributing or expressing themselves due to the fact that they've repressed this thing and it's eating away at them subconsciously and don’t even know about it.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it makes up a part of their personality and lifestyle.

Karra: correct.

Russ: by bringing it out, you’re effectively changing that personality, changing their lifestyle good or bad….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: usually bad because everybody involved is usually hurt by it but in their eyes they’re helping, they’re healing that what they call an abnormal or aberrant…..

Karra: behavioral pattern.

Russ: behavioral patterns.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: caused by the fact that something has been repressed for that long.

Karra: sometimes it’s best to not bring up repressed, so-called repressed or real repressed memories because as you pointed out, it does damage. In healing the patient you destroy the friends and you cause more problems. Some psychoanalysts do this and will have a whole string of patients that are all related one after another. "My wife found out that she was molested by her father, she’s taking it out on me, she hates all men, what do I do?" And goes to the same psychiatrist or psychoanalyst that was the person that brought up the memory.

Skip: okay I got a question for you if you don’t mind…….

Karra: yes I do mind.

(Skip starts chuckling)

Skip: okay these patients have learned to live with these memories or events that happened in their lives and they've gone on to build a fruitful life, wouldn’t it be better just to leave them memories and bits and coincidence and stuff alone?

Karra: in most cases I would say yes.

Russ: there’s some cases where you would say no too.

Karra: correct and in the cases where it’s best to leave them alone is if the person is functioning reasonably normally. In those situations if a patient was to come to a psychiatrist up here or psychoanalyst up here, they would talk about well the problem, not the root cause of the problem but how to fix the problem. For example, let’s make up a fictional person. Let's say there is a person that comes to one of our psychoanalysts and has an aversion to short people.

Shane: to what?

Skip: short people.

Karra: short people. Now how would you overcome that problem? And the analyst would discuss it with the subject and look at the fear and say, “well it’s an irrational fear, little people cannot hurt you.” But maybe a long time ago the person as a child was beaten frequently by somebody that was short in stature, frequently….

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: but has repressed that memory, very unlikely up here but I’m taking it as a hypothetical situation.

Skip: yeah go-ahead babe.

Karra: so how do you address and fix the problem that this person has an irrational fear of short people? What you would do is introduce them to somebody that is sitting behind a chair, behind a table at the same height as they are and they would be introduced and talk to each other regularly in the same setting.

Russ: hmm, makes sense.

Karra: now the person would get up and maybe the person’s taller, maybe the person’s shorter, preferably the person’s taller to start off with and then after let’s say 12 sessions there’s two people there sitting side-by-side behind the desk appearing to be the same height as the person that they’re talking to and at the end of the session the person leaves and this goes on for another 12 sessions where at the end of that 12 sessions both people get up and one is tall and one is short.

Shane: uh-huh.

Karra: and that is approaching the fear that the person has been getting to know somebody that they don’t know whether they're tall or short on a one-on-one and then from there a new person would be introduced that maybe is a little bit shorter than the second person so that they get used to dealing with short people so therefore the problem is addressed. Now it doesn’t always work. For example let’s take a subject that has an irrational fear but an irrational fear that is grounded in fact and in certain environments is a healthy fear, arachnophobia. Some spiders serve a very useful function, in fact all spiders do. However, some spiders carry a deadly toxin and having a fear of those spiders because spiders are unpredictable is healthy. How would you cure somebody of that fear? Expose them to spiders? Could be dangerous, not only in an emotional level or a heart level, but in a health level as well. Could be terminable. So fears like that, do you address them or not?

Shane: you could teach them about spiders.

Skip: no that won’t work.

Karra: no it’s a very tricky field to deal with.

Skip: I think the best way to go with that darling would be to educate a person to what is and what isn’t a deadly spider.

Karra: yes I agree, I agree but it still doesn’t address the fear.

Skip: no I understand that.

Karra: there is somebody I would like to discuss this with but I don’t think they would cooperate because their irrational fear of spiders goes…..(Mark)




(Karra returns to start the side)

Karra: is one moment it’s high and the next moment it’s low. It’s like Tia’s analogy on the stock market, it fluctuates……

Skip: uh-huh.

Karra: one moment it climbs, the next moment it drops, it stays stable, it climbs a little bit, it drops a lot, it climbs a lot, it stays stable and so on, that’s fluctuation.

Skip: the same with people’s fear.

Karra: yes and I would really like to talk to the subject but I know for a fact that the subject would not cooperate because of the fear of spiders.

Skip: uh-uh.

Karra: and I know the subject knows it’s an irrational fear, I know that the subject knows what spiders……..he’s probably more well-informed about spiders than most people on your planet but the subject still has an irrational fear. Okay, any more questions?

Skip: uh-uh.

Karra: okay.

Skip: not on that end of it.

Karra: well questions in general on healing.

Skip: well I’m running into a reverend is her title that’s doing a spiritual, physical healing on me.

Karra: uh-huh, she’s the one working on your chakras correct?

Skip: I’m sorry?

Karra: she’s one working on your chakras?

Skip: yes, yes and aura……

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and evidently from what I’ve read, the college that she went through, she can read auras and chakras okay?

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and she’s……I’m getting back to being my old self.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: because from what I’ve studied and read from the lady that established the college that she went through, the auras and different colors and different patterns around a person shows what their problems are…..

Karra: uh-huh yes.

Skip: physically, spiritually and emotionally and she’s dealing with all these things on me.

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: and it seems like I’m getting more benefit out of this type of healing than anything I’ve run into before.

Karra: yes, uh-huh.

Skip: I was just wondering, I feel good about it, I just wonder if I’m doing the right thing? I think I am.

Karra: well if you’re feeling good….

Skip: yes.

Karra: well there’s your answer.

Skip: yeah but sometimes you wonder…..

Karra: wondering is good.

Skip: if maybe it’s just a hype……

Karra: uh-huh.

Skip: you know what I’m saying.

Karra: well if it’s working and making you feel better…….

Skip: yeah it really is, I feel better about myself which I was pretty down on me for a long time.

Karra: well you have some very good friends.

Skip: yes, yes I do, some excellent friends.

Karra: okay next question?

Russ: yeah when you’re dealing with a psychoanalyst and the patient role, how closely should you be following up on the karmic end of that? For example if you’re bringing up these repressed memories or something, you’re going to be creating karma that’s going to affect you, them, the people that did it whereas otherwise if you had left this alone, then it would’ve happened at all.

Karra: well it’s something you need to approach very carefully as I said, it’s heading to a goal, an objective. If you do bring up repressed memories and you’ve got to remember that a person is very susceptible to suggestion at that point......

Skip: uh-uh.

Karra: that you could bring up a memory of your own by accident and without meaning to implant it onto them and they think it’s a repressed memory so you have to be very, very careful when you're doing that. But, let us assume that you bring up a repressed memory that is a true repressed memory. Again you do it gradually little by little addressing each little aspect and nuance at a time in one session. You bring up one little thing and you address and look at that and you may spend not only one session but many sessions dealing with that one problem, that one little nuance. You talk it to death and you look at it from all possible aspects. You look at it saying, “well what would the person be thinking if they were doing that? Why would they do that?” Maybe it’s not as we think it was because after all, we see one thing but it may be something totally different.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: for example, you see a child pick up a handful of dirt and throw it at another child. Well, what caused the child to do that?

Shane: experimentation or something else.

Karra: could be many different things. Could be the fact that the child asked, "throw dirt at me", it could be the fact that the child saw something in the dirt and went to grab it and the person goes, "hey throw that here.” Many, many different possibilities. So you’ve got to look at a situation from all possible angles and by looking at them, you talk them to death, you talk them out of existence. What was the person thinking, why were they thinking that, well what else could they have been thinking? You see?

Russ: uh-huh, okay, thank you.

Karra: next question?

Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.

Karra: it’s an old theory up here, old and ancient.

Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.

Russ: catching on down here I guess.

Skip: yeah, Dianetics has for several years, I just think that they’re approaching it the wrong way…..

Karra: another way of wording it is that it’s their interpretations, the person that is analyzing it…..

Skip: there you go.

Karra: is interpreting it in their limited experience.

Skip: that’s it exactly and I believe that’s wrong.

Karra: oh it is very wrong, very wrong that I could have any one of you down on the couch and I could implant a thought into your head and you would think that it was your own thought and I could do that without thinking, being totally distracted. Our analysts up here are trained with the ability to block out their emotions, they're a very, very odd bunch up here because they seem very unemotional.

Skip: that’s how they seem, yeah.

Karra: yes but in actual fact……

Skip: very unemotional.

Karra: they’re very emotional people.

Skip: but they have to block it all out.

Karra: yes they’re very empathic, they feel everybody’s emotions but yet they have to block them out, you're quite correct. Okay, last questions.

Skip: no more from me darling.

Shane: no.

Russ: of course I’ve got one. When you’re working like say as I am when I’m working with my counseling with the past life regressions…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m not putting anything out to them as far as anything that I might add on to their experience, I’m merely letting their guides take them through and all I’m doing is providing the impetus to get there but even so, their own memories might be coming into that play even if they’re not like deep down memories that are coming out and making themselves known. For example Mr. (name has been edited) who had the, I think it was him, yeah who had the…….

Karra: werewolf fixation?

Russ: yeah that’s the one. Now I'm going to have a tough time unless he’s from just another planet believing that he was a full-on werewolf and going around and scarfing on people and living with all these other werewolves. Now it sounds like something coming out of Dungeons & Dragons or something like that, one of those role-playing games and it's forcing itself upon his consciousness......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but he sees it is real. He leaves the session going away thinking he was a werewolf.

Karra: to him it was real.

Russ: I agree but is that a conscious moral wise for me?

Karra: for you it was not real, for him it was real. It was his experience as a werewolf, whether or not it was a past life or not is besides the point. The fact is that it was real, it is unlikely that it would be on your planet if it was on a planet. It is his subconscious interacting in a way that it comes and dominates the regression process. In doing so what happens is that his creativity side comes out and goes, “oh party time, let’s have fun. Okay let’s play Dungeons & Dragons.” You see?

Russ: right.

Karra: and in that happening it becomes very real for the subject, it really did happen for him......

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: but it happened for the first time in the past life regression. That was a past life for him because it was a past life regression and behavioral patterns are involved in that. The lifestyle, the hierarchy, the mindset are all part of......

Russ: it was very detailed.

Karra: of the lucidness of the regression and that in itself is a key point to looking at somebody’s life. For him it was real, it happened, it really did happen. You see?

Russ: uh-huh, I see.

Karra: okay, I’m also filling in a little bit as Tia and Mark are dealing with a problem child.

Russ: oh.

Karra: okay, catch you later.

Russ: bye love.

Shane: good luck.

Karra: thank you.

(Tia transitions us between speakers)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia, any problems?

Tia: ones that we can deal with.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: okay, any questions?

Skip: how do I build a warp engine?

Tia: you’re asking the wrong person, I could tell you who to put money on in the stock market.

(that gets Skip going in laughter)

Russ: (chuckling) yeah right.

Skip: oh golly.

Tia: okay, any more questions?

Skip: I don’t think so darling.

Tia: okay.

(Kiri talks legends)

Kiri: how’s it going Skip?

Skip: just fine, how about you?

Kiri: I’m doing good. So you want a warp core engine huh?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: as Omal’s not here, let me see….

Skip: no, no wait a minute, don’t get yourself over a barrel.

Kiri: okay what you need to do is get two convexed crystals, high-strength crystals that can take light focused at high intensity and I mean real high intensity. Okay what you need is a confined chamber field that uses resonant magnetic energy. You put it in a glass, you mix, shake, pour in vermouth, little bit of scotch, little bit of Cognac, some tequila, mix again, pour it out over the crystals….

Skip: and get drunker than *&*^&*.

Kiri: yep, you thought I was going to give something there away didn’t you?

Russ: cognac and tequila?

Kiri: huh?

Russ: cognac and tequila?

Kiri: have you ever tried it?

Skip: and vermouth.

Russ: what a mess.

Skip: oh yeah.

Russ: I wouldn’t think about driving.

Skip: and get drunker than *&*^&*.

Russ: it would taste like hell.

Kiri: but you can live on it.

Shane: not for very long.

Russ: you'd have a great time doing it though.

Kiri: do you know what we call it up here?

Skip: huh?

Kiri: rocket fuel.

Skip: I’m sure you do.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yep.

Kiri: yes I have a colleague that has his own private hooch farm.

Skip: hooch farm?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah we call him Mooch the Hooch.

Skip: well we got one down here that they call a zombie.

Kiri: okay, that's somebody without brains right?

Skip: and it’s seven different layers of booze in one glass.

Kiri: sounds like my kind of drink.

Skip: let me ask you a question young lady.

Kiri: thank you, you’re making everybody’s day up here.

Skip: we have a weed that grows in the wild in the western part of the United States….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and when animals eat it they get drunk and it's called loco weed. What the devil is that? I’ve seen it, I know what it looks like and I know animals eat it and they do get giddy as hell and everything else you know what I’m saying, they get drunk, they really do?

Kiri: uh-huh, it’s possible it sits in their intestines and I’m not really a biologist….

Skip: okay, all right, I just thought maybe you might know.

Kiri: yeah I’m more interested in religious practices even though I’m an engineer, even though I'm a party animal, even though I enjoy things of the flesh…….

Skip: I was just wondering if humans ever got a hold of this garbage, loco weed. And I don’t know what’s the proper name for it, I really don’t.

Kiri: we have a particular variety of recreational herb, they're flowers, they come in three distinct colors. There’s the red ones which make you very hyper, give you tons of energy, give you a great buzz, keep you up for about 48 hours, it’s great but you don’t get headaches, there’s no negative side effects.

Skip: that’s neat.

Kiri: yeah it just leaves you afterwards totally washed out and you sleep.

Skip: for 24 hours.

Kiri: about that. Then there is the blue flowers which are a depressant. They make you very mellow, make you happy, make you nice and even, if you eat too many of them you just fall asleep.

Skip: hmmm that’s wild.

Kiri: and they're used in healings, they’re very juicy both the red and the blue so there’s a lot of fluid in them that you can actually eat them as a meal and survive on them.

Skip: hmm.

Kiri: if you eat one or the other they don’t counteract each other, you get both effects one after another. The red ones are a lot of fun if you’re planning on cramming for college, if you’re doing a lot and you just have lots of energy, you're senses are sharpened, you're very active, you’re very bouncy, you’re very bubbly and then phhtt. Once it’s worn off there’s no fall coming down, you start to feel a little bit tired and the more tired and then finally it's sort of like, "I got to lay down".

Skip: and go to sleep.

Kiri: yep and the more that you eat of them, the more energizing energetic you become and the only negative thing is if you eat too many you throw up.

Skip: your system rejects it.

Kiri: yeah, it just rejects it. Then there’s the pink ones, my favorite ones. These are an aphrodisiac…..

(Skip starts laughing loudly)

Kiri: let’s not go into to those.…….

Skip: yeah okay nevermind.

Kiri: there are young minds present.

Skip: bring me one.

Kiri: nearest that I can get to them is you ever heard of the Lotus Blossom Eaters? From I believe it would be the tales of brave Ulysses? Your Greek mythology?

Russ: Homer. Homer, the Greek storyteller?

Kiri: doesn’t Mark have the Iliad down here?

Russ: nope.

Kiri: he has the Odyssey.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: and that’s the book.

Russ: that is the book.

Kiri: here we go. You might want to read it, it’s got…….

Russ: great stories.

Kiri: better ask Mark if you could borrow it actually, there I'm giving his books out and he has an aversion to that doesn't he?

Russ: stories of the Cyclops, the Sirens……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: battles of Troy, in fact well actually after the Troy.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: this is Ulysses' voyage home after the battles of Troy.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and the gods decide to play havoc with his life.

Kiri: does he the Iliad too?

Russ: no.

Kiri: no, no Iliad?

Russ: uh-uh I don’t think so, I haven’t seen it.

Kiri: but that in itself is an interesting topic, the legends.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: the Lotus Blossom Eaters, it gives a very good description of a very odd effect of a strain of blue flowers that does exist.

Russ: and there have been people who have traced that route out that is described in that book and have found similar places along that route that match up with descriptions that are put in that book.

Skip: huh.

Kiri: uh-huh, they haven’t been able to pinpoint Ithaca yet though.

Russ: no but they found the land of the Lotus Eaters.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they found where the Cyclops would have landed.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they found where the Sirens hung out.

Kiri: uh-huh, they also found…..

Russ: they found Troy.

Kiri: uh-huh. What’s it, that was Schliemann?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: uh-huh, see, I do know your Earth history.

Russ: very good darling.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I didn’t remember his name.

Kiri: yes and his native bride that he decked out in the jewelry that he found?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: it was very unlikely that it belonged to so the called Helen, I don’t think Helen actually existed.

Russ: no but Agamemnon did.

Kiri: uh-huh yes, he found Mycenae.

Russ: uh-huh. He found where the Minotaur was supposedly kept.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yes and he was frowned upon.

Russ: oh yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh. Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, where were we? You have questions.

Russ: the legends.

Kiri: yes, the legends, we have similar legends on our planet back home on Sirius. There are legends of the great sailings and kind of like the Odyssey and the Iliad. I think it's common throughout many, many different worlds, they have the same basic stories. Mainly because life on different planets seem to go through very distinct set cycles.

Russ: hmm, yeah but again there you have the same thing where someone might have taken a journey and based their story upon their travels upon that journey and made up mythical people to fill in those gaps in their story where the people would have been.

Kiri: we wandered way off the subject, okay where were we? Oh yes, okay so what you do is you get your crystalline structures right?

Skip: you better quit that right now.

Kiri: okay we were talking about herbal substances okay?

Skip: we was talking about a rocket engine.

Kiri: oh yes we were weren’t we?

Skip: yeah a warp engine, not a rocket engine.

Kiri: hmm, yes.

Skip: well I know you can’t tell me.

Kiri: no I can’t.

Skip: I know you can’t honey, I just trying to torment you a little.

Kiri: uh-huh I know, I know and we're having a free night to chitchat mainly because Omal’s not around so the mice can play.

Skip: okay, all right. I don’t know but we’re going to have to head down the hill pretty quick darling.

Kiri: oh well.

Shane: it's snowing outside, it’s snowing outside. Bye-bye.

Kiri: okay, catch you kids later.

Russ: bye Kiri.

(Tia ends the night early)

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay.

Russ: you did a good job filling in without Omal tonight.

Tia: I think everybody behaved extremely well.

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: I think they done just fine.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I was just teasing but that’s okay.

Tia: yes uh-huh, tease, tease, tease, tease, tease. Okay, the weather's going to get better eventually.

Skip: I hope so.

Tia: keep your paws crossed.

Skip: I’m running out of patience with winter.

Russ: everybody is.

Skip: I think so.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: everybody saying the same thing, they’re getting tired of winter.

Tia: well unfortunately I don’t think it’s over just yet.

Skip: well we’ve got the rest of the week.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I just hope we have better weather for the second week of June.

Russ: why?

Tia: yes I hope you do.

Skip: we need better weather for that.

Tia: uh-huh, yeah........

Skip: because that’s going to ruin our attendance at the Renaissance fair.

Tia: well I don’t think it will ruin it, it will just make it not as big as they were expecting.

Skip: yeah, that’s true.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: but that’s…..

Tia: I’m looking forward to watching that actually.

Skip: well come on up to the trailer and you can see it firsthand.

Tia: no we’’ll just pull up, park the UFO next door.

Skip: I’d enjoy that.

Tia: uh-huh.

Shane: me too, sneak peak.

Tia: yeah, park the UFO outside, come wandering in.

Skip: I’ll put the coffee pot on.

Tia: coffee? Ugghk, tea.

Skip: I can put the teapot on too.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I think I got tea in the trailer.

Tia: I like Oolong or Shui Hsien tea. Well I think the tape's over so we'll wrap things up, I've got to go and look at Athena’s arm.

Russ: okay.

Tia: and girls will be girls.

Russ: yep.

Shane: and boys will be boys with bugs and……..nevermind….

Tia: where I come from, we are the dominant gender, males are very placid and cooperative.

Shane: yes? Well…….nevermind.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay….

Shane: goodbye.

Russ: bye darling.

Tia: bye.

Skip: bye babe, see you next week.

Tia: uh-huh.


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