Meta-concerts and Making Sirian Ends Meet-

Channeled (07/03/96 & 01/13/98)

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Archivist Notes: For the month of April the Hades Base News is immersing the reader or listener into what it is like to live a higher dimensional existence on the base working for Ashtar Command or on Sirius as a regular citizen. Pretty much all of side two a description of life from someone living it day-by-day but it is only half of an excellent channeling session. The other half covers past meta-concert descriptions done by members of the base during their lives plus some handy tips for meta-concerts being done on the third dimension. It is two completely unrelated subjects because they happened during two different sessions that were taped a year and a half apart. Either one side had the record button not pushed or one side had information that could not be released in a podcast because of personal information being discussed. Such was the case here and both sessions had information on the remaining half that could to be released to make a full channeling session. Side one is starting after the group including Mark had already done a meta-concert practice on a candle and this was the follow-up as we go over the results of our attempt. Tonight was a night of just the ladies as the males who would normally be channeling would have been on the other side of the tape. It will be so again next month with the only men heard on the podcast this month and next being third dimensional.

   After greeting everyone, Tia launches us into the channeling session as ring mistress with getting any questions out of the way the group had so we learn about some of the meta-concerts that she and Kiri had been in and also about the languages spoken on the base. We hear about her developing skill at Sirian and why English or some form of earth language is spoken on the base. The other two subjects covered are a recent power outage and child rearing before Kiri comes on to use the rest of the side discussing mainly meta-concerts. Her first topic though is her upcoming trip to Sirius for a pair of conventions and to visit her grandmother high up in the mountains in a convent to speak to her about a guide of one of our guests. After that is when she gets into meta-concerts she has been involved with including one of some 350 participants. The reason for the meta-concert was not a happy one due to the fact that it was to speed a corrupt coercer back to a much needed learning experience on the third dimension. In a society such as theirs, allowing one with such a great potential for harm to live was not a viable option. She explains the optimum number of individuals needed for a meta-concert and how it can be a very effective tool with a fully trained team. Finally she gives us an example of what a group of fully trained members could achieve if working as one. The side  ends with her helping one of our guests with the plans he and Mark had enlisted her assistance in building a scale model of a flying wing.

   Side two jumps into the middle of a discussion on how life was like while being both sixth dimensional and a member of Ashtar Command on Hades Base. We continue from the side one going over a lifestyle that we will be experiencing in our evolution once we have gone through our own ascension. She begins with the basis of the economy which is that of services or trade when receiving a home, land or accommodations with food and everything else also covered by that same principle. That leads a discussion on what the service her father, the president of Sirius performs to live where he does. We get a close look at how the society is governed from the president down and how the president answers to the planetary Council but it is he who makes the final decisions in any issues regarding the planet. We find out that all education and medical needs including rejuvenation are free but cosmetic procedures like breast enhancement are not. The population of Sirian society come up as well as the percentage of that population who are super operants. With her son being a super operant, we had the perfect example to talk about and the special restrictions he and the other super operants live under due to their having all five psychic skills fully functional plus access to all their past lives. She wraps up with a personal experience with a super operant who was already close to imploding and the skill she gained from the relationship. Tia comes back to cover while Bunny prepares to channel and tells of her impressions of life on the base and the differences between there and her home planet. We also hear about the other Durondedunns on the base who arrived at a separate time and how she shows them pictures of home from her astral trips there. Bunny is ready and comes on next and tries to answer a question but can't because it involves her sister Leah who is sitting close by. Kiri does some coercing and Bunny can now talk about the complicated situation her sister and Lyka are in which involves their past lives. The subject of past lives also gives me a revelation of the many lives Karra and myself had shared with Bunny. We end the session just before one of the engineers monitoring the equipment seduces her sister and Mark so we could continue our discussion about her.                

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KIRI RUSS (Archivist)




2.)(15:37)- Kiri explains about the ideal number of people for a meta-concert as well as some of the meta-concerts she had been a part of before going over the plans for a model flying wing.


2.)(28:53)- Tia gives us her impressions of higher dimensional life being as she is third dimensional and compares it with her home planet of Durondedunn. We also hear of her astral trips back there.

3.)(33:03)- Bunny talks past lives she's had with the members of our group such as when she was the father to both Karra and myself. The complicated past lives involving Leah and Lyka are explored also.

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(Tia gets the channeling session started as ring mistress)

Tia: I’m in.

John: okay. I thought you wanted us to perceive your entrance into Mark’s body right away?

Skip: good evening……

Tia: greetings, hello.

Skip: and salutations.

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay, I’m in………… stage on July the third, 1996 at 20:45 hours and the tape is running live and we have action, questions.

Russ: yeah, let me move this out of the way here to give us more room.

Tia: okay, you can move it out of the way. Okay, Judy?

Judy: no not really, I don't think, I don’t know.

Tia: why not?

Judy: I’m not with it tonight darling.

Tia: okay, we’ll let you off this time.

Judy: thank you.

Tia: Skip?

Skip: what’s your field……..please bear with me, my mind’s a million miles away but what’s your field of expertise?

Tia: astral travel.

Skip: okay.

Tia: and political current events.

Russ: PK.

Tia: PK, yes.

Russ: child raising.

Tia: uh-huh and running.

Skip: do you run from the kids?

Tia: I run for fun and health.

Skip: okay, yeah.

Tia: because I have to.

Skip: I was just teasing with her.

Tia: yeah I have to.

John: isn’t one of your heavies…..excuse me…..meta-concert?

Tia: not really no.

John: don’t you have a really good handle on that and have some good insights?

Tia: no, unfortunately not now.

Russ: Kiri’s much better.

Tia: yeah Kiri’s much better, she’s been in some really big, massive meta-concerts of I think three or 400 individuals in one meta-concert.

Skip: ouch.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I think you’re being shy and.....

Tia: no seriously, seriously, I’m not that heavy into meta-concerts. I’ve only ever participated in two and I was way down in the secondary list, I was like third tier secondary.

John: and how many people participated in that?

Tia: I think it was like 25 or 30. Third tier was the lowest level you could get and you get people that are totally unfamiliar with the field that they’re working in. For example if it’s a manifesting meta-concert like you guys were working on and you have somebody like me that’s into PK, you put me down in the secondaries or in the second or third tier of the secondaries because all's I can do is supply energy, I can't manifest and it’s a not manifesting energy which gets changed by I believe… I’m wrong, nevermind.

John: okay yeah, I’m sorry Skip.

Skip: that’s all right, no, no, no, I’m listening, I’m all ears.

Tia: well none of us are perfect except for me.

Skip: now wait just a minute…..

Tia: well you said you were all ears but I do make mistakes, I will mix words up and I will make statements that don’t mesh.

Skip: are you talking about English or American English?

Tia: I’m talking about English overall whether it is American or British English, I still mess up on the gist of things from time to time. Like I'll transpose words or put them around the wrong way or use words that I think mean one thing that actually mean something totally different.

Skip: that would be a natural mistake because our language is reversed of all the rest of the world’s languages.

Tia: it’s pretty mixed up too.

Skip: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: now are you using your computer and headset to speak to us in fluent English or as fluent as you can get?

Tia: as fluent as I can get.

John: okay my question is as far as languages and being fluent in language, okay what language do you speak when you communicate non-telepathically, when you verbally communicate on Hades Base, what language do you use?

Tia: I use English because it’s the most easily understood by a majority of people. Very few people understand Durondedunn up here and my Sirian sucks to say the least.

John: okay so English is a universal kind of language?

Tia: no, it’s because it is the most commonly spoken language on your planet……

John: correct.

Tia: it is the most commonly language spoken up here because it’s like a Esperanza? It's a language that is used because your flight institutes use it, your schools use it, your computer people use it…..

John: right, okay I know what we use it on this planet, why do you use it on Hades Base?

Tia: because it’s the most frequently used language on your planet and because we watch your planet, we have to understand what is being said in English so everybody up here speaks a certain amount of English except for some of the flight personnel and the technicians and some of our engineering staff, they don’t speak a word of English but they all speak some Earth language, well a majority of them anyway.

Skip: in other words it’s a tool.

Tia: yeah uh-huh.

Skip: it’s a primary tool.

Tia: yeah, it’s important, most of the news reports I listen to…..

Skip: it’s just like……..can I make an example?

Tia: yes sure.

Skip: all carpenters use a hammer….

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: I don’t care what language they speak, they use a hammer.

Tia: yeah, even on Durondedunn we use hammers.

Skip: but this is what I’m trying to say, you’re a professional in what you're doing so the tool you use is English.

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: the same as a carpenter would use a hammer.

Tia: yeah, I will use a computer to translate into English if necessary.

Skip: there you go, there you go but it’s still a tool.

Tia: uh-huh, besides my bond mate speaks English so I have to speak English (Mark). His Durondedunn is so bad it’s ridiculous.

Skip: all right.

Tia: last questions Skip?

Skip: no, not right at the present time honey thank you.

Tia: Judy?

Judy: did I hear Russ say child rearing?

Tia: uh-huh.

Judy: give me some suggestions about my son.

Tia: your son is older than my children, my children will be three in November. I’ve always agreed with Mark in that a firm hand is necessary for the simple reason that them being psychically active, oh God, just think what they could do to his rose garden? Just think what they’ve done to his rose garden. So it is necessary to use a firm hand and to lay the law down and stick to it which you do anyway.

Judy: I try real hard.

Tia: yeah. And don’t be afraid, I’m not going to be ever afraid of my girls even though I can see that they’re going to be little hellions, they're going to be worse than me and my sister, but……

Judy: I don't know, he was just doing things that I never dreamed that he would ever do.

Tia: but didn't you do them when you were young?

Judy: not like he’s doing.

Tia: uh-huh but it’s a different age and time but the thing that he needs to understand is that you were young once too and vice a versa. The old adage of as I am so you shall be, as you are so I was. Did I say that right?

Skip: uh-huh.

John: yeah pretty close, close enough for English.

Skip: it came out right.

Tia: yeah.

Judy: okay I was just curious because totally he's throwing me for a loop.

Tia: uh-huh well the thing to remember is think of the things that you used to get up to or think of getting up to and he’s probably thinking of them too or has done them. Even though you might not have followed through, it’s possible that he has followed through.

Judy: he definitely has.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay Johnny?

John: yeah far as would you say your first language is……I’m going to ask you a question about language......

Tia: obviously.

John: I'm going to be staying on the same subject. Is your first language Durondedunn?

Tia: yes.

John: okay and if you’re not speaking to someone in Durondedunn or English……

Tia: uh-huh.

John: is there another common language that you use?

Tia: I’m learning Sirian at the moment and…..

John: okay is Sirian pretty common across the universe?

Tia: oh yes, throughout the base it’s very common. I should say about 80% of the staff are Sirian and therefore they speak one dialect or another of Sirian so…….

John: see it’s much easier for me to ask you a question like this than it is Omal……

Tia: yeah.

John: it would have cost me a 150 push-ups if I asked Omal.

Tia: I think you owe him 40 at the moment…..

John: I did 20 push-ups, he ordered me down 10.

Tia: okay........yes?

Russ: power outage the other day….

Tia: uh-huh okay.

Russ: let’s work it out shall we?

Tia: which power outage?

Russ: the only one that any of us all here felt.

Tia: that would be the one yesterday correct?

John: correct.

Russ: correct.

Tia: uh-huh you felt it?

Russ: right yesterday at 1:30?

Tia: uh-huh.

Skip: no, no.

Tia: now there’s an interesting thing occurred that it affected 11 states in the end.

John: yes?

Tia: but in some places it hit one city block and skipped another city block, it was very, very patchy. Now why did it happen? Well it wasn’t just one thing as they’re saying, it wasn't UFOs, or at least none of ours, it wasn’t sunspots, it wasn’t seismic activity, it wasn’t anything like that, it was just plain and simple.....

Russ: overuse.

Tia: overuse coupled with the heat, simple as that.

Skip: too many air-conditioners.

Tia: yep, too many air-conditioners and the place was already hot and it drained more energy. Now the silly foolishness is to have so much importance placed in one place because next time that it goes......don’t think that might not be just for an hour or two hours, it could be for a day, two days or even three days or longer possibly. And it’s really something that should be taken care of but I don’t see that they have the money to put up new substations that will handle distributing that much power so quickly, it’s something they may take 10 or 15 years to distribute it. So it is something to be prepared for the possibility of power going out again. Another good example was the most recent Summer Hills fire, Autumn Hills fire thank you. Now what happens if that had got even worse and spread and took out more power? Well then you would go to a lockdown mode and prepare for the worst. It might not happen but it’s certainly handy practice for anything else that could be thrown at you. What you need to survive that is definitely cooking fuels, whether it is charcoal, wood, oil, kerosene, whatever, you need that definitely to survive. After all you can’t live on cold food all the time.

John: sure you can.

Tia: it gets dull and boring.

John: yeah but you can live on it just fine, believe me.

Tia: uh-huh, yeah it’s like you might say you wouldn’t eat bugs and stuff but you can live on them.

John: bet your ass, I eat bugs……

Tia: yeah we’ve done that routine.

John: yes, we’ve gone through that routine.

Tia: uh-huh, it’s like tonight, I cooked for the Cubs dressed dog. You guys are wincing.

Russ: no, I’m thinking of a little dog all dressed up and everything ready to go out or something.

John: yeah, like a poodle in a bowtie kind of.

Tia: I think it might have been a poodle actually.

Russ: like a German Shepherd in like a top hat.

Skip: darling, one more question please, is Sirian hard to learn?

Tia: it is quite hard to learn actually, I’m having difficulty getting my mouth around some of the pronunciations.

Russ: it’s more like Latin only tougher.

Tia: tougher isn’t the word for it, it is a very irritating language because you pronounce one word one way for example dorna mean door……

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but you say dwana which is a window right? And if you say dwana with a little emphasis on it like dworna, you saying something totally different. It’s not as bad as my own language Durondedunn where an inflection of a….(says two words in her language)……means something wildly different, not just slightly different…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: but totally different. It’s like the word..(says two more words in her language)……one means goodbye and one basically means eat my shorts but it’s little bit more graphic and descriptive.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: so the inflection in Durondedunn is more important than it is in Sirian. Sirian, you won’t say much in the way of swear words by mixing words up too much, they’re different enough that it're deliberately saying it.

Skip: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, I’m going to put the next person on.

Skip: thank you.

John: thanks a lot.

Russ: bye Tia.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Russ: see you later.

(Kiri gets us to the end of the side)

John: it's Kiri.

Kiri: hello.

John: hello Kiri.

Judy: hello.

Kiri: okay, questions and answers. First of all, I will be unavailable from the 14th to the 21st.

Skip: why?

Kiri: I’m going to Sirius.

Skip: you’re going to Sirius?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: Sirius what?

Kiri: Sirius B.

Skip: oh, okay. I’m there again tonight okay?

Kiri: well you’re partly the reason why I’m going.

Skip: why?

Kiri: I’m going to go and see my grandmother for three days.

Skip: oh you’re going to go see her.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: well congratulations darling.

Kiri: congrat…….? Well……

Skip: well she’s still there.

Kiri: yes she still there.

Skip: well that’s what I’m saying, congratulations.

Kiri: oh yes, I don’t think she’s planning on going anywhere too soon.

John: okay on a more serious note……

Kiri: is that a play on words or something?

John: yes.

Kiri: oh, sorry I didn’t laugh.

John: that's okay....

(Skip starts to laugh)

John: neither did anyone else besides Skip. How long does it take you, about three days, am I mistaken?

Kiri: no, I’m going to be in the mountains for three days, I have an engineering........

John: no, no, your travel time, from Hades Base to Sirius.

Kiri: travel time? I’m going on a six-hour trip but there are tighter ones and longer ones.

John: oh okay.

Kiri: yeah, I’m taking…..

John: so your particular trip is going to take you about six hours.

Kiri: yeah uh-huh.

John: okay.

Kiri: yeah I’m going…..might be of interest to Skip…..I’m going to a engineering seminar is one of the things I’m going to.

Skip: oh that’s neat, I like that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I wish I could go with you.

Kiri: you would love it.

Russ: and a bathing suit convention.

Kiri: huh?

Russ: and a bathing suit convention.

Kiri: yes, my other line of interest, I design swimsuits.

Skip: you’re sure I can’t go with you?

Kiri: you’d love it wouldn’t you?

Skip: yes I would.

Kiri: I’m going to love it too.

Skip: thanks a lot.

Judy: are you going to relay the information back?

Kiri: yes I will be bringing back some of the engineering information. As I said, Skip is partly the reason why I’m going to Sirius, I’m going to be spending some time with my grandmother, I’m taking the children with me and I’m putting Leonedies in a special school whilst I’m there, it will do him good. And Alex I’m going to carry around with me as he's shown an interest in engineering and also swimsuits, I wonder why.

Skip: okay now question…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: are you going to check with grandma to see if…..

Kiri: that’s one of the reasons I’m going up to see her. The other one is I’m going to be going through a ceremony that I have to go through so in advance, I apologize for not being around for the channeling session in the week of the 14th to the 21st….

Skip: well, I think we might be able to make do….

Kiri: without me?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: oh I’m crushed.

Skip: but we'll miss you.

Kiri: oh okay.

Skip: okay?

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay now seriously…….

Skip: now, this meta-concert, you’re well-versed in this?

Kiri: well I have participated in some meta-concerts yes.

Skip: okay now we tried to put out a flame tonight….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: between five of us.

Kiri: I’m not that familiar with manifesting meta-concerts, I’ve only ever participated in coercive meta-concerts and healing meta-concerts….

Skip: right.

Kiri: where I sit outside the meta-concert in a healing meta-concert and coerce the person into being open and receptive and helping to focus the energy internally for them to heal.

Skip: oh okay, all right.

John: how many individuals involved in that?

Kiri: in which one?

John: well just give me some figures, some numbers….

Skip: in healing meta-concerts?

Kiri: healing meta-concerts? I’ve been involved with about 10 individuals.

John: in one particular meta-concert you’re talking about?

Kiri: uh-huh, one meta-concert, healing meta-concert it was about 10 individuals. I think that’s the highest number I’ve been involved with. Normally healing meta-concerts are small meta-concerts involving no more than maybe six or seven people. Coercive meta-concerts on the other hand can vary from maybe a few dozen to the biggest one I’ve been in was about 350 minds linked together and that was a unpleasant thing to be involved in. It was my college and what we basically did was there was a corrupt coercer, very, very talented lady, very talented. She had picked up the scholarship award twice, not consecutively but over a three-year period, she picked it up twice. Very talented, very, very talented, very, very, very corrupt. She used people like you would use a rag to clean the floor.

Skip: oh my goodness gracious.

John: so it was a potentially dangerous situation….

Kiri: yes it was dangerous but the simple fact of what we did to her was basically we killed her, we snuffed her out because we……...

John: yes but it took a collective mind at your college to go after this very powerful individual….

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: am I correct?

Kiri: yes.

John: and it took about 150 of you?

Kiri: 350.

John: 350!

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and collectively you removed this person like you remove a fungus.

Kiri: yeah, we basically erased her. She is I believe awaiting rebirth on the third dimension which is where she would’ve ended up anyway if we hadn’t of done what we did. We did it for the simple reason that our society will not tolerate people like that. It is worse than murder.

John: isn’t that a punishment….

Kiri: yes.

John: when someone goes from a sixth dimensional level to the third dimensional level?

Kiri: no we don’t consider it as a punishment, we consider it as they need to relearn what they’ve forgotten.

John: okay.

Kiri: it’s not a punishment, it is going back to school to relearn what you've forgotten.

Judy: excuse me........

Kiri: oh.

Judy: I'll be back.

Skip: okay darling, question, then we’re not spinning our wheels with just five of us doing this meta-concert and trying….

Kiri: no.

Skip: okay……

Kiri: no.

Skip: all right okay, I thought we was maybe getting down to a point where….

Kiri: you are at the minimum number acceptable for a meta-concert.

Skip: that’s what I was…...

Kiri: yeah, but you are not spinning your wheels.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: ideally what you would like to do is have four secondaries…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: two primaries…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so that’s six people plus you your conductor and your executive, the executive and conductor.

Skip: so you’re talking about approximately 8 to 10 people.

Kiri: yeah 8 to 10 people is the ideal number, seven you can get away with, five is the minimum number…..actually four is the minimum number because you have a primary, secondary, conductor, executive.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so you are just outside the very, very minimum number and a four-person meta-concert I believe works just, five meta-concert is a much better improvement than four.

Skip: okay all right, I was just kind of checking on it, because I didn’t know if we was…

Kiri: well you’ve seen how the candle reacts.

Skip: yeah, it’s reacted for us.

Kiri: uh-huh so therefore it’s working.

Skip: yeah okay.

John: okay now as far as the positioning and the rearranging and stuff…...

Kiri: you’d have to talk to Omal.

John: Omal is the one to talk to?

Kiri: yes, uh-huh.

John: about that?

Skip: uh-huh, the physical positioning of the people.

Kiri: yeah I mean Omal has much better knowledge in orchestrating meta-concerts than I’ll ever have.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: he has organized and when I say organized, he has organized a meta-concert from the planning stages all the way through to the actual firing mode…..

Skip: okay.

Kiri: and he has done a wide variety of different meta-concerts from manifesting to PK to remote viewing which is different from astral travel to oh, all sorts of different meta-concerts.

Skip: okay thank you darling, I appreciate that, I just was kind of curious about that.

Kiri: oh no problem, no problem. Yes?

Russ: a meta-concert being a tool……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: as we were discussing earlier with a hammer analogy….

John: yeah, go ahead.

Russ: it’s how well each of the people in the meta-concert can use the tools….

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: that determines the strength of the meta-concert.

Kiri: that’s correct, yes.

Russ: therefore if you have two people in the meta-concert who are really good and three who aren’t let’s say….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: then it’s not going to be as effective as all five got together and worked on it…….

Kiri: that’s right.

Russ: and got all five of them up to the same level as the two.

Kiri: that’s correct but you are at the moment in the learning mode so you put the weakest people in the secondaries, you put the strongest people in the primaries and the conducting mode and the executive mode but once everybody is trained, you can experiment around and what it will do is it will increase everybody’s abilities.

Skip: oh okay.

John: but I mean I’ve already been experimenting to a certain degree and I mean the placement is very important….

Kiri: oh it most certainly is, it’s very important but at the moment the main thing to remember is that everybody must learn from the experience. It is a learning tool at the moment. I mean…….

John: isn't every moment a learning tool?

Kiri: yes.

John: whether it's a meta-concert or everyday life?

Kiri: well what I mean is with a meta-concert you’re learning how to use a meta-concert, its potentials, its effects, its side effects, its negative effects, its positive effects, there’s a lot that you can learn from a meta-concert. It doesn’t matter to start off with if it’s a success or a failure, it is becoming the team that next month, next year can go, “okay let’s get together, the room’s 32°, we're cold, let’s heat it up.”

John: uh-huh.

Kiri: so you agitate the air molecules and you increase the heat. You can’t do that at the moment but maybe in a year’s time you can do that, heat up the room. So the thing is that you’re not planning right now for every time to have a success, you’re planning to learn how to work together as a cohesive unit.

Skip: okay.

John: yep, that’s right where I am at on that.

Kiri: now each one of you is part of a internal combustion engine, whether you’re the pistons, the valves, the crankshaft, the carburetor, the exhaust ports, you all play a very, very important role in the engine of the meta-concert. And when you build an engine, first of all you test it to make sure it works properly, to make sure there’s nothing catching and it’s nice and smooth and what you're doing is the engine is learning its pathways and that’s what you’re doing with a meta-concert.

John: I hope so.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I just wish…

Kiri: what the goal is.

John: yeah, that’s ideally in my mind, yeah.

Kiri: so you shouldn’t feel bad about failures, in fact failures……the way to look at them is one more step closer to success. Okay so you failed one time, next time you might succeed and if not, you’re still a step closer to succeeding. You never take a step backwards.

John: how about the candle exercise that we’re using, is that a good starting exercise? That was very important to me….

Kiri: yes, it is.

John: because it was something that was…..

Kiri: tangible.

John: tangible, something we could work on.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: okay? Now other exercises would be like….

Kiri: heating water…….

John: moving a piece of lint around a white board?

Kiri: uh-huh, you'd want somebody that is definitely a PK person to be the executive for that because you're supplying him the energy.

John: right, wouldn’t Mark be quite qualified for that?

Kiri: no.

John: no?

Kiri: no, Mark has no PK or nothing worth mentioning so let’s not mention what’s not worth mentioning.

John: okay, well how about Russ in the executor's position?

Russ: my PK’s pretty weak too.

Kiri: I pee stronger in the morning than Russ' PK ability.

John: okay.

(Skip bursts out laughing)

John: how important is psychokinesis with the meta-concert, is it…..

Kiri: you’ve got to have somebody that has some, whether it is weaker than I pee in the morning……

John: does anyone in our group that has some? I mentioned Russ and I mentioned Mark okay?

Kiri: I wouldn't count on Mark's ability.

John: how about Skip, does Skip have any PK ability? I mean…..

Kiri: I don’t know, I think Skip has some but….

John: how about myself or Judy I mean?

Kiri: I was about to say you're all in the same boat here that what you do have is not very much.

John: right.

Kiri: (sighs) okay, tape’s almost, yeah tape’s almost close to being over.

Russ: let's burn it out on you darling.

Kiri: okay, let's burn it out on me.

Skip: sweetheart?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I got a question to ask you. Mark and myself have kind of come up with an idea of a model flying wing.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: what has transpired on that last?

Kiri: I have a whole set of plans and everything all designed of several different wings.

Russ: and a prototype.

Kiri: and a prototype yes.

Skip: right, what are we doing?

Kiri: I think Mark needs to focus. Has anybody seen the new X-33 design?

Russ: uh-huh.

Skip: no I haven’t.

Kiri: it’s interesting isn’t it? It’s not a new design…

Russ: no it’s an old design.

Kiri: you know how old it is?

Russ: it's millions of years old.

Kiri: no but on your planet?

Russ: oh well yeah.

Skip: what is it?

Russ: it’s the new space shuttle for the next century.

Skip: oh okay, I haven’t seen or heard of it.

Kiri: do you know when it first was designed?

Russ: hmm?

Kiri: it was designed back in 1943.

John: an original Earth design?

Kiri: well it’s not an original Earth design but it is close to an original design.

Skip: built by the Germans?

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.

Skip: that would be the logical conclusion…….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because they come up rockets and everything else in ‘43.

Kiri: uh-huh and the thing was that all the testing and everything that they’ve been doing is retesting which to me strikes me as a total waste but unfortunately they had to do it that way due to the fact that all the documents relating to the tests that the Germans did were destroyed.

Skip: oh okay.

Kiri: and what few ones that there were ended up in the Russian's hands and they weren’t complete.

Skip: and they weren't conclusive.

Kiri: that’s right.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: the Germans could have had it operational I should say by 1950. That particular design could’ve been operational and active in 1950 if the Germans had of been allowed to pursue it.

Skip: well the same thing goes for machinery.

Kiri: oh yeah.

Skip: I worked on machinery in ‘52 that were confiscated from Europe……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: in 1945 and shipped to the United States.

Kiri: Mark was working with computers in the Army I believe that were compatible or comparable to the computers that Russ now has on his desktop apart from the drive units were about the size of your Subaru.

Skip: yeah, yeah, I remember the first what they called ultimate computer that they had in some University…..

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: it took up the whole basement.

Kiri: uh-huh. But…..

Skip: it was huge.

Kiri: yeah but the power of the computers that Mark was using in the military were comparable easily to the computers that Russ is using but it took much more space.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: now the interesting thing is now, what is the military using? And our resident expert knows already what they’re using.

John: will he tell us?

Russ: her.

Kiri: her, yes her (Tia).

Skip: I still want to know where we’re at with this wing.

Kiri: okay back to the wing, back to the wing.

Skip: not just a minute, just a minute, I understand that you get several plans up there and a prototype.

Kiri: I got a job for Russ. Russ, tell Mark on Friday that he has to go down to the hobby shop, this is what he needs. He needs to get balsa wood, he needs to get 1/8 inch balsa wood?

Skip: oh you mean for sheeting?

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: yeah for the walls, for ribs?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: 3/16.

Kiri: 3/16, this is the small prototype.

Skip: yes, this will be our model.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: yeah.

Kiri: for the bigger one okay?

Skip: yeah. We’ve already got the stiffeners, I made them for the wings…..

Kiri: yeah uh-huh.

Skip: so they won’t tear up into pieces.

Kiri: yeah, okay we've got that taken care of. We need the balsa, how many sheets do you think? Because it comes in I think is something like 6 inches by…

Skip: by 3 foot I believe.

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: by 3 foot.

Kiri: yeah by 3 foot. So we would need….

John: you looking at it what about……?

Skip: I’ll have to sit down and figure it out darling but…

John: two tons of balsa?

Skip: what? No, no, no, no, no, we’re just building, we’re just building a model.

John: oh I thought you guys were going to fly a plane.

Skip: no, no, we’re building a model.

Kiri: so four of them?

Skip: yeah, let’s start out with four, if we don’t have enough we can always get more.

Kiri: okay so we need four ones 3/16’s.

Skip: for the sheeting 1/8, for the ribs themselves 3/16.

Kiri: okay.

Skip: okay, I don’t know how Mark........what the design is because we haven’t been able to sit down and discuss it.

Kiri: we’re going to use a flat airfoil.

Skip: we’re not going to use ribs on the inside of it?

Kiri: no, we’re not going to do a symmetrical airfoil, we're going to do a flat bottom airfoil. We'll use ribs on the inside but only half.

Skip: okay…

Kiri: I’m going to download some information into him on the wing, in fact it’s already downloaded into him, it’s just a matter of putting it in front of his mind again.

Skip: okay all right, okay.

Kiri: because if you remember we did download some a while back if you remember.

Skip: yeah and I went ahead and cut the oak stiffeners for it so that we had something to keep it from tearing to pieces.

Kiri: uh-huh because there’s going to be a lot of stress and strain on the wing.

Skip: yeah and it’ll still be able to give because we only figured on putting one oak strip in them.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: I don’t know if them are going to be too heavy or not, they may be……

Kiri: yeah.

Skip: I may have to cut them down.

Kiri: yeah well we can work on that at the time however…..

Skip: but if you'll put it in front of Mark's mind….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: and then we can get together and discuss what we need and we can make out a material list.

Kiri: okay I will put in a cascade command which will be flying wing. You can help with that, just get the tape recorder ready because he’ll start babbling and spouting specifications and you'll have to catch it quick. So have the tape ready when you do that.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: thank you.

Kiri: no problem.

Skip: I appreciate that.

Kiri: okay and the tape is……




(Kiri is continuing answering questions from a different session as we enter)

Kiri: items…….

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? Let us say it gets to the situation where I’m desperate for food right? I have clothing right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: I have my engineering skills but supposing they don’t need that engineering skills right?

Russ: right.

Kiri: I have other things that I could trade. I can clean, I’m a passable cook if I really try……

Russ: what about coercive needs that they might need? You couldn’t really trade that could you?

Kiri: exactly, it’s one of those things.

Russ: that’s a real gray area there.

Kiri: uh-huh and it goes through let’s say I have my body, that’s not really selling myself, it’s trading a service…..

Russ: true.

Kiri: for whatever I need.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah it’s like Bunny, she’s not a hooker, she’s a dancer….

Russ: right.

Kiri: and she’s a student, she just happens to enjoy making love and having sex. Well I don’t think she’s actually experienced lovemaking much…..

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: she’s had a lot of sex.

Russ: interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so as a reader of what we've missed on tape basically, this is something that we could use in our future down here…….

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: as a similar example set on Sirius….

Kiri: yes.

Russ: and does that go on throughout all of Ashtar Command?

Kiri: I believe so yes.

Russ: now on the bases themselves……..for example you work on the base…….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: as an engineer.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore your food, your luxury items……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and other things, you still pay for your luxury items.

Kiri: correct, that comes out of my own revenue.

Russ: right but everything else is all included.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: because you are performing a service.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: apartment and so on.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now what about on Sirius where you have to have a place to live……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: do you maintain the grounds or…….?

Kiri: yes, you would be maintaining the grounds, painting the buildings…..

Russ: who actually owns the building?

Kiri: the landlord.

Russ: the landlord owns it, how did he get it?

Kiri: well let’s say it’s been in the family for a long time. Let’s take some of our property that we have on Sirius…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: the Tanaka family overall. Okay, we have quite a few properties, we have people that live in those. It’s been in our family for centuries, for eons….

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? They maintain the property, they look after it, they live there right? They keep the grounds looking good, they keep the house looking good, they live there.

Russ: so they don’t pay rent?

Kiri: no but by keeping the houses looking good and often they have gardens in the back and they give us any extra that they have.

Russ: okay, well let’s say somebody has property and they die but they leave no heirs….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: what happens to the property?

Kiri: it goes to another family member or if there are no family members right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: it goes into the community property and a person will step forward and say, “I offer my services for a 100 years as psychokinesis or I will build or I will clear or I will farm or from my farm I will give…….”

Russ: I see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: you bid your services.

Russ: now what about the president?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: the president has their services, they don’t actually own the presidential place they live at.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but they probably come from well.....

Kiri: you don’t understand what the president does do you?

Russ: I haven’t the slightest idea, I mean it can’t be the same thing as our president.

Kiri: no. The president here is supplying a very important service…...

Russ: oh good, I have to know this because I have to meet her and of course I already know your dad.

(Ed. note: this was because of a ceremony I had been invited to on Sirius I would be attending in my astral form)

Kiri: yeah, they supply the service of running the planet. They may have the final say so on what happens. Whatever happens on the planet and it is their final decision, whether or not they’ve got advisors that give them advice etc., it is their final decision. They serve the people, they are responsible to everybody on Sirius. Let us say you lived on Sirius…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and you had a problem……

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and it was a very important problem. You passed it to your regional senator……..regional representative who in turn passes it on to the regional senator who takes it to the overall senator right? Who takes it to the president. Let’s say it’s that important that it could not be resolved….

Russ: okay.

Kiri: let us say that you had a plot of land right? That had a rare flower on it. You are prepared to transport that flower to a very similar location, it’s an environmental thing......

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? And none of the people wanted to make a decision, it goes before the president, the president makes a decision yes or no.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: the president is ultimately responsible.

Russ: hmm. All right, so any major industry, let’s say fishing…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is all controlled by the goods that are produced…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: give you goods in return.

Kiri: in a way yes, it is also governed by something that is very similar to your Environmental Protection Agency. If too much fish is taken, the person is penalized.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: if too little fish is taken, the person is penalized because it becomes overpopulated.

Russ: okay. What about education, how about if you have kids, is it mandatory that they go to school then?

Kiri: no.

Russ: do they pay for it if they go to school?

Kiri: no, education is totally free.

Russ: okay, but they don’t have to go?

Kiri: they don’t have to go, that is your choice…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: as a parent. Because don’t forget, we don’t get our full memories and everything until we reach 21……ish……

(memories of all their past lives)

Russ: right.

Kiri: normally later than before.

Russ: okay, so basically they might wait till 21 to send them to school?

Kiri: well hopefully they will be fully educated by the time they get that old.

Russ: right, that's what I was thinking.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and school lasts for much longer?

Kiri: however long the person wishes. Take for example Leonedies……

Russ: right.

Kiri: he’s already reading, he’s not even three yet.

Russ: right, I wouldn’t think he'd even need school.

Kiri: he’s going to go to school, he’s going to learn things.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that is because I wish it to be so and he understands the fact that I wish it to be so but he is learning things.

Russ: right.

Kiri: it is quite normal for a super operant to be reading things equivalent to technical manuals on your planet.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah, how to build an engine, how to build a jet engine.

Russ: well schools also teach him interaction with people other than his family.

Kiri: that’s correct, correct. There is a lot more emphasis on that kind of thing than just learning how to read, learning how to do maths, he can do some of that already.

Russ: now can you tell a parent, I mean can a parent tell when a child is born, due to their access to their lives, whether or not that child has the first time on sixth dimension?

Kiri: not really, it’s a little bit different with your own children.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: we will take them to specialists. It’s kind of like because they are my genes and Mark’s genes, we really can't see or I know Mark can’t see that well, it’s very foggy. I see a mixture of lives when I look at Leonedies, I see a mixture of lives when I look at……

Russ: Alex.

Kiri: Alex. When I look at the Cubs, I know.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but I’m bound not to tell.

Russ: now when you take them to the specialist, does the specialist charge you anything?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: a service?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: okay, what would you do for the specialist?

Kiri: the specialist that I took Alex and Leonedies to wanted a swimsuit.

Russ: oh okay, that makes it pretty easy.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and then you have vast quantities of wine that you can…….

Kiri: that I can also trade.

Russ: work would yeah if you have to.

Kiri: and if he wanted his wife looked at I would’ve obliged.

(Russ starts laughing)

Kiri: she’s a fox.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: I would’ve been delighted to have her in for……instead of just having a holo to work with I would’ve liked her in for a physical……

Russ: okay.

Kiri: so that I could have had her stand there and I would’ve given her the best, best possible fit.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: and then when I had Leonedies done, they charged me I think it was two cases of wine and then they gave the two cases of wine back because they couldn’t see.

Russ: they couldn’t see?

Kiri: he was blocking.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he didn’t want to be seen.

Kiri: that’s right.

Russ: for good reason which we know now.

Kiri: yes. Which at the time raised a whole load of questions on why was he blocking........

Russ: I remember those questions.

Kiri: yeah and it was sort of like well he’s a super operant, super operant’s can do that, they can be very private individuals.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: but now what makes them specialists, because their psychic skills and clairvoyance is more highly tuned than others?

Kiri: they read past lives better.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: they will sit down and they will talk to the child on a mental level and they will put the child basically into a state of relaxation where the child can be open to be read, to access the area that is blocked, the child does not know.

Russ: oh I see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but he knew.

Kiri: yeah he knew, Leonedies knew.

Russ: now what about medical skills, are those free for everyone….

Kiri: yes.

Russ: within Ashtar command and so on?

Kiri: yes, unless it’s cosmetic.

Russ: right.

Kiri: let’s say like Tia had, she wanted bigger breasts because she felt a little bit…

Russ: well compared to you and Karra….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: she felt a little bit….

Russ: shortchanged?

Kiri: yes but personally I thought they were very pretty as they were anyway.

Russ: I thought so too.

Kiri: uh-huh but she wanted bigger breasts.

Russ: did she get them?

Kiri: yeah, she took some tablets.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: but that’s a luxury.

Russ: I hadn’t even noticed.

Kiri: well she…..God it was a while ago.

Russ: oh that’s why.

Kiri: it was like four years ago.

Russ: oh okay. So that was a luxury……

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so she paid for that was some service herself.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: I see, okay.

Kiri: basically what she did was some bookwork if my memory serves right.

Russ: oh, that’s not too bad.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. But other than that, rejuvenation and everything…..

Kiri: rejuvenation is totally free unless you are one of the very, very fortunate ones that has a self-rejuvenation capability.

Russ: oh, not very common I take it.

Kiri: not very common, it’s about one in a million and seeing as we only have a population on the planet of maybe 20 million….

Russ: that’s all your population is on Sirius?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: seems like I thought it was more.

Kiri: well there's more on sister worlds and bases and stuff, we probably have a population of maybe 22, 23 million in total.

Russ: well I went to Alpha Centauri once….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and I saw their prison system there…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but as I stated then, it was an interesting system of punishment you have…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: where the person actually punishes themselves.

Kiri: yeah unless they are……they know they’ve done something wrong unless they are that small, very small group that is mentally unbalanced.

Russ: I see. Now is the President of Sirius under the planetary Council?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: so let’s say your…..the president couldn't decide on your special species of flower….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: then it would go before the planetary Council.

Kiri: no, he has to decide.

Russ: oh he has to?

Kiri: he has to. The planetary Council deals with sister worlds, bases and so on.

Russ: they don’t deal with Sirius?

Kiri: no.

Russ: why not? Because that’s what the president's for.

Kiri: that’s correct.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: he reports to them.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: they do not tell him what to do and he cannot tell them what to do.

Russ: hmm, but they’re all on a good friendship basis?

Kiri: uh-huh, he can go to them for advice and they can come to him for advice but in ceremonial, they are the top.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and there is no president of the Council, there is no president of the planetary Council, they are all equal.

Russ: now don’t super operants come into a special category with all we're talking about with the barter system and everything?

Kiri: yes, yes very much so.

Russ: why? I mean for example, let’s take an example.

Kiri: okay for example, because they had access to all their past lives from the get-go…..

Russ: right.

Kiri: they are exempt from certain services. They have certain rights, the services that they're exempt from are medical unless they so desire to do so. For example, let’s say Alex develops an awesome healing ability…..

Russ: okay.

Kiri: right? He would be expected to become a healer……

Russ: nice.

Kiri: regardless of his interest if he becomes an awesome healer.

Russ: right.

Kiri: right? Let us say Leonedies became an awesome healer, he is exempt.

Russ: because he’s a super operant and he has…..

Kiri: much more important things. Let us say when he reaches adulthood right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he desires a young lady.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: right? She has to be honest and upfront with him.

Russ: well she has to anyway.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: because he would know otherwise.

Kiri: correct but if she’s ovulating right? And he desires her and she's sort of like, “maybe”, she can’t go maybe, she has to. Because….

Russ: he’s seen all his past lives.

Kiri: he’s seen all his past lives, he knows all her past lives right? And if she’s ovulating, the chances of pregnancy are very good.

Russ: so his genes are worth more than any service he could provide.

Kiri: okay, he is totally unallowed to go into any form of planetary defense service, he is totally not allowed to become a pilot or anything that would endanger his very existence.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: he is not allowed to do anything more than recreational ski, anything that endangers his life.

Russ: it almost sounds like he’s more controlled than you are.

Kiri: oh they’re very controlled. Once a year……..

Russ: is that because he’s a rare resource?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they’ve got to be increasing with the genetic……

Kiri: oh they are, they are but it’s still a rare resource.

Russ: is it?

Kiri: uh-huh. There’s about one for every……it’s somewhere between a hundred thousand to 200,000.

Russ: what did it use to be?

Kiri: oh God, no it was about 500,000 to 700,000.

Russ: so at what point do you stop the controlling or you don’t have access to that?

Kiri: I don’t know, I don’t know.

Russ: no idea.

Kiri: now this is a hard one for me to figure out, well actually it’s not hard for me to figure out but it’s hard for me to totally understand. He will have to until he is incapable once a year leave a sperm sample.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he has to give twice a year blood and tissue.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: he has to report in once every six months for a full physical checkup, physical and mental because of the very nature of super operants the fact that they sometimes implode.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: normally first-time super operants implode.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but all super operants have to go for mental checkups.

Russ: even though what we know about Leonedies?

(Leonedies is an eighth dimensional being in a sixth dimensional body that is three-years-old)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: well can you make an exemption? No.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and Leonedies will be the first to tell you when he’s being reasonable that you don’t make exemptions.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so you see the importance of the super operants and the reason why they are very controlled?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: they are not allowed to join with their twins, if their twins are super operants and they have the desire to make love with them, they cannot do that.

Russ: okay, big question why?

Kiri: because of the conflicting genes, they’re too close. Even if the gene pool in the family is totally clean in both families and has been for 10,000 years, they cannot.

Russ: but gene manipulation can be controlled? But for super operants it’s a different story.

Kiri: correct however, if they take precautions they can.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but it's basically you go to the official people, you get the precaution, you take the tablet, you have the shot……

Russ: and that’s why we’re having this discussion.

Kiri: hmm?

Russ: because of Leonedies.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: and the situation he’s in.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: right.

Kiri: yes (laughs), you’re leaking.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, so basically the whole society is structured but at the same time it’s structured in a very way that allows for more rights than less rights…..

Kiri: correct.

Russ: unless you’re a super operant.

Kiri: correct, super operants basically have no rights.

Russ: right.

Kiri: which is very, very sad.

Russ: does anybody.......does the super operants mind?

Kiri: no, they’re all very understanding about it. Now there is one thing that is I think you’ll find very hard to understand........

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but it goes with the importance of the super operants. If you are in a situation whether it’s either you or the super operant is going to die, you die........

Russ: right.

Kiri: regardless, you give your life up for the super operant. It was designed that way so that selfishness does not come into it. It doesn’t matter how important you are……let’s say my father for example and Leonedies were stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean right?

Russ uh-huh.

Kiri: and they have no food. Now he’s the President……

Russ: right.

Kiri: he is expected to give up his life so that Leonedies could live. However, now this is the hard part is that Leonedies would have to take over his position regardless of his age and do those duties. He would be expected to access the president’s past lives, access his current resting status and get all the information and basically let his body become a host until the service is over.

Russ: and people are taught this from a very early age?

Kiri: correct.

Russ: that super operants are to be kept safe and….

Kiri: uh-huh, protected.

Russ: you sacrifice yourself for them. Doesn’t this give people in your society this sort of separate view of super operants?

Kiri: yes, they are very separate and they’re pitied because they are so controlled.

Russ: so even though you have to give your life up for this guy….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you pity them?

Kiri: well would you like your private life totally infringed upon, dictating where you can and cannot go, what you can and cannot do?

Russ: no, of course not.

Kiri: that’s what happens to super operants.

Russ: does it change when you get up in the higher dimensions?

Kiri: yes totally, this is only on Sirius because we are…..have so few of them.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: I mean we probably have no more than maybe two or 3,000 on Sirius and sister worlds and on all the other bases, pure blood Sirians that are super operants.

Russ: wow.

Kiri: probably about 10 times that number of sub-super operant’s but not all sub-super operants end up being super operants in their next life. In fact a lot of sub-super operants, especially the more tweaky ones, have been sub-super operants before and a few of them have actually been super operants that have imploded on themselves. See it’s very hard to become a super operant.

Russ: yeah I guess so.

Kiri: I had an incident, oh God it must have been about 10 years ago where I had a super operant young lady who absolutely desired me.......

Russ: right.

Kiri: and I obliged.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: I had to oblige. I didn’t desire her.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and unfortunately she imploded oh, probably about a year, two years afterwards.

Russ: oh man.

Kiri: yeah. That was part of her mental problem, the way that I looked at it was the fact that I postponed it.

Russ: you had no…..but she’s a female and you’re a female…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore there’s no genetic need for her……

Kiri: it does not differentiate between male or female.

Russ: if she wants you she gets you.

Kiri: yeah. It does not differentiate, that would be a sexual bias, that is not permissible in Sirius society. Anything that is a sexual bias one way or the other is totally unacceptable.

Russ: hmm, strange though.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: poor girl.

Kiri: yes she just imploded and her doctors knew and she knew and that was all the people that knew.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: at the time I was going in for a medical checkup when I met her and she offered to buy me dinner, so we went out to dinner and she got drunk, I got a little buzzed and we went back to her place and I said, "I'll put her to bed and everything" and she goes, “I want you, come.” She was pretty good as well.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: she didn’t have any children, she had one of a rare defect of that she was totally sterile.

Russ: did you have any......your past lives yet?

Kiri: then?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so could you see a past life that you had with her?

Kiri: no, for her it was a one-night thing and apparently she was going through people like nobody’s business…….

Russ: oh really?

Kiri: male, female, she didn’t care.

Russ: so she knew she was going to implode.

Kiri: uh-huh, she knew she was going to implode and she was just enjoying it until she reached the other side before the implosion where she goes right over that there's no going back.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: yeah and then it’s kind of like a manic-depressive, it just goes down and down and down and they sequester them away and give them medication and basically they just don’t want to live anymore, it’s too much for them.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: but she was good, she made me.......she brought me up to the peak of orgasm and held me there and held me there and held me there until she orgasmed, it was pretty good actually.

Russ: so you enjoyed it afterwards?

Kiri: I enjoyed it but it was not what I wanted.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but I did learn something very important from her.

Russ: hmm?

Kiri: I learned how to link minds.

Russ: oh, that’s where you got that from.

Kiri: uh-huh, she taught me how to link minds, that’s how she got me to spiral up so quickly to make me cum.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well that’s handy then.

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: it has served you since then.

Kiri: uh-huh, it was sort of like the gift.

Russ: right.

Kiri: she gave me a gift for it but it wasn’t her intention to give me the gift.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: I mean she was so open which super operants when they start that spiral do but some super operants are that open anyway so it’s hard to say. If a super operant is open, it’s hard to say that they’re going to implode or not. A lot of super operants are very private and a lot are also very open. It’s quite common for super operants male or female to be totally bisexual.

Russ: uh-huh, they swing either way.

Kiri: they swing whatever we, they’ve experienced it whatever way in their past lives.

Russ: interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well thank you Kiri, that was very informative.

Kiri: okay, welcome back.

(speaking to someone who had just returned)

Kiri: clean, clean, clean, clean, clean, clean.

Russ: how’s Mark’s energy?

Kiri: he’s doing okay, he’s yellow lining but just.

Russ: so it’s got enough room for Huna?

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: okay good.

(Tia comes in to do a transition between speakers but find she has to stretch her time)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi love, oh hi Tia.

Tia: hi, hi. Okay I’m going to go and get some refreshments for everybody, I will be back and I will put Huna.......I will put Bunny on.

Russ: this is a rather long one yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. But in the meantime I’m going to quickly cover whilst Bunny gets appropriately covered.

Russ: you’re going to cover?

Tia: well I’m going to fill in, got any questions?

Russ: oh I see. Just kind of following up on Kiri's stuff, how are you enjoying the way the society runs? You’ve seen our society, you’ve seen their society, you’ve seen your old society from Durondedunn.

Tia: they seem a lot more stricter in some things and a lot less stricter in others.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: morally, they’re quite different in some things. For example, on my planet it’s totally taboo for two women, it’s totally taboo for two men.

Russ: really?

Tia: doesn’t mean to say it doesn’t happen…..

Russ: right.

Tia: but it is taboo. I knew a young lady that had a secret lover and I always thought it was a guy.

Russ: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh. I astral traveled back a while ago….

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: and it’s another girl, really surprised me.

Russ: wow.

Tia: also the fact that she has a family now is a little bit sad and the fact that I would’ve loved to have been at her joining.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: don’t agree with who she decided to join with but looking at him he’s grown up.

Russ: well that’s good.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, do the other Durondedunns travel back there at all? Can they astral travel?

Tia: no.

Russ: oh.

Tia: besides they're raising their own Cubs.

Russ: oh, so you go talk to them every once in a while?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good, so you tell him what you’ve seen anyway?

Tia: yeah and I sometimes will plug myself into a neural scan and they’ll see pictures and hear people talking and they love it.

Russ: oh excellent.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s nice of you.

Tia: uh-huh. Actually it’s very uncomfortable.

Russ: oh really?

Tia: yeah, to do it.

Russ: well still, it’s nice you can do that.

Tia: because basically what happens is the needles are inserted underneath the skin at the weakest… the joints for the skull?

Russ: oohhh, that doesn’t sound like much fun.

Tia: no and it probes into the actual joints so it’s as close to the brain as possible and they normally give me medication that takes away the pain whilst they’re doing it and it makes me feel very nauseous. And they've tried all sorts of combinations of drugs so that I’m not nauseous and unfortunately some have made me worse and some have been a little better. The one they’re using is probably the best but we’re going to be next week or next month when I do my next trip, they're going to try a new one on me because they don’t want me to be nauseous. I have thrown up a few times.

Russ: oh you have?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oohh, well that’s nice that you're doing that for them though.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: making them feel more at home let's say.

Tia: I also enjoy being able to plug it into the computer and do a full holo with them so that’s my payment.

Russ: oh okay cool.

Tia: okay, Bunny has her panties back on and her bra and stockings back on, well she had her stockings on anyway.

Russ: she didn’t have to go out of her way for my account.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Russ: bye love.

(Bunny is the last speaker of the night to channel)

Bunny: hey.

Russ: hi Bunny.

Bunny: you wanted to talk to me?

Russ: I did dear.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: question on…..oh let’s see, making life seen like more as a play.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: actors and actors on a stage.

Bunny: I know what your question is and I can’t answer it at the moment because you know why.

Russ: if I think about it I’m sure I do.

Bunny: uh-huh and I can’t elaborate.

Russ: no problem. How’s it going other than that?

Bunny: it’s going good.

Russ: good.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent.

Russ: enjoying your vacation time?

Bunny: yes, yes, I was. I got bored with waiting so I kind of….

Russ: you didn’t have to get all dressed up for me.

Bunny: well Trish was being playful.

(one of the base engineers monitoring the session)

Russ: ahh, of course.

Bunny: so she took them off and I already had my bra off anyway.

Russ: hmm, no worries. Anyway, good to see you again.

Bunny: umm, I can explain now because Leah had to go and use the bathroom…

Russ: ahhh.

Bunny: and Kiri is chuckling. Okay I’m going to have to be quick because as soon as she realizes that it was an implanted thought she will be back...

Russ: okay.

Bunny: and a little bit upset but I can deal with the upsetness or Kiri says she will deal with it.

Russ: okay.

Bunny: the reason is as you have access to more past lives through normal methods, you see more of the picture of what is going on. I have access of probably about 25 to 35% of my past lives.

Russ: right.

Bunny: I have access to the one of you and I, I have the access to several of the ones with Tia, I have access to quite a number of me and my sister, I have access to the ones with Mark and Kiri and Karra, especially the ones with Karra, those are very enjoyable ones. The ones of Karra, some are with you.

Russ: I assume this means Atlantis.

Bunny: hmmm, no.

Russ: no?

Bunny: no, not one that I’m thinking of.

Russ: oh.

Bunny: put it this way………and Karra’s blushing, she knows which one I pulled up because she was thinking of it. I am or have been at one time the father of both of you.

Russ: Karra and myself?

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Bunny: Karra has been my wife at one time and I have been the father of you.

Russ: really?

Bunny: I don’t have access to my last past life, I get glimpses of it…

Russ: right.

Bunny: and I enjoyed it or I seem to have enjoyed the glimpses that I’ve got. I was a guy.

Russ: interesting.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: so you're enjoying your life as a woman now.

Bunny: oh very much so.

Russ: I can imagine.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: but your past lives then are giving you more of an idea of what’s going on out there huh?

Bunny: uh-huh and……..good, Tia’s delayed her. From where I’m sitting I can just see through the bamboo, apparently the bamboo’s been thinned out a little bit and...okay talking quickly, you said I have access to my past lives, what’s the question quickly?

Russ: okay just basically seeing life as a play.

Bunny: yes, because I have access to my past lives I can see things much more clearly, I can see more of the interaction and how it relates to what’s going on now. For example, Leah and her shyness, that’s not only the fact that she is a sub-super operant but also the fact of that she is very insecure of her sexuality because she cannot access her past lives.

Russ: okay what about Leah and Lyka?

Bunny: Leah and Lyka, don’t tell her, she was the guy.

Russ: ahhh, okay I won’t.

Bunny: she was the one that intimated Lyka, Lyka enjoyed it which angered Leah.

Russ: okay.

Bunny: that is why Lyka has such a strong sex drive.

Russ: would they be settled up by just getting together sometime?

Bunny: yes but in the reverse.

Russ: oh.

Bunny: Lyka has to dominate Leah, she has to do what Leah did to her.

Russ: that’s going to be tricky.

Bunny: uh-huh and I’m going to take an extension on my thing because I’m going to set it up that they do.

Russ: okay good, because Leah came to me asking me about what….

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: what some good advice.......

Bunny: she has to be totally…..

Russ: drunk.

Bunny: not drunk, she has to be totally conscious.

Russ: what?

Bunny: she cannot be incapacitated in any way.

Russ: Jesus, you've really got your hands full now.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, I look forward to hearing the updates on this one.

Bunny: oh it’s going to be fun, I’m planning, I’m planning but it has to be that Lyka does what Leah did to her.

Russ: and then they’ll be fine?

Bunny: they’ll be fine. There is one catch……

Russ: what?

Bunny: and it’s going to be a hard one and it’s an impossible one at this time, Leah has to be gotten pregnant by Lyka.

Russ: that’s going to be tricky, it’s not impossible.

Bunny: no it is very, very hard.

Russ: it’s very, very hard.

Bunny: uh-huh. There is one way that I can think of doing it……

Russ: artificial insemination.

Bunny: uh-huh, that will finish everything. Now, once initial contact is made, those two are going to have a long time of sexual activity until the pregnancy occurs. Basically they will basically move in together and they will be at it wherever they can for the simple reason the way that I look at it is that Leah will be put into the position where Lyka is dominating her. Lyka will enjoy it because of what she is and…..

Russ: Leah will come to be addicted to it almost.

Bunny: yes and she will become so submissive when Lyka’s around that anybody can do her. The Ice Princess………..but on the other hand, you see the thing is with the way that people behave towards each other……..

Russ: right.

Bunny: is part of the understanding of the greater picture of why things are like a stage.

Russ: I see, okay. So Shakespeare had it right in that respect.

Bunny: who?

Russ: third dimensional Earth writer who wrote many plays where he said we are but players on the stage who fret and strut our time, our hour and then depart.

Bunny: hmm yes, I think I understand what you mean.

Russ: basically the same thing…..

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: it was originally put out so that people understood him as it’s more philosophical when he said it.......

Bunny: yes.

Russ: and I misquoted him very badly.

Bunny: uh-huh. Probably did, Kiri’s looking over and going butcher, butcher. That’s a disgusting thing, a butcher is probably one of the lowest of the low.

(very few people in their society eat meat)

Russ: all right, well I admit I didn’t quite get it right.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: Mark would be probably better at it, you can ask him.

Bunny: okay.

Russ: he’ll quote it word for word.

Bunny: in fact Mark's come wandering out with helping Tia and talking to my little sister at the big sister and okay…..….

Russ: well just ask him what it is, just tell him I didn't butcher it so badly.

Bunny: that’s interesting.

Russ: I’ll take your word for it.

Bunny: no, Trish has got my big sis by the hand and Mark and they’re going inside.

Russ: oh.

Bunny: okay, she listens, Trish listens.

Russ: obviously.

Bunny: uh-huh, very intently.

Russ: good.

Bunny: and I know what she’s doing.

Russ: yeah, she’s…….

Bunny: she’s satisfying an urge…..

Russ: right.

Bunny: and dragging my sister along……..that’s going to be entertaining because as she left asked me on the I-mode how is she going to get the Ice Princess to join in?

Russ: hmm.

Bunny: she doesn’t know that the Ice Princess is not….

Russ: the Ice Princess.

Bunny: the Ice Princess.

Russ: right. Love it.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: I’ll bet you miss this place sometimes.

Bunny: yes I do actually. My sister and myself, it was a very, very loving past life.

Russ: oh I can tell.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: I think that you were probably the man in that though.

Bunny: no I wasn’t actually.

Russ: really?

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s almost surprising.

Bunny: yeah.

Russ: because she acts to you very submissively.

Bunny: uh-huh. She’s very, very loving.

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: Leah is not as submissive as people think she is.

Russ: well to you, she looks up to you like you would not believe.

Bunny: no you’re wrong there, she doesn’t look up to me.

Russ: really? Oh I don't know……

Bunny: she wishes that she had my outlook when it comes to sexuality.

Russ: hmm, well your whole outlook on life is awesome, it’s refreshing.

Bunny: uh-huh but Leah’s problem and Lyka’s problem is the fact that Leah was very dominating on Lyka……

Russ: hmm.

Bunny: almost to the point of aggression.

Russ: so but Lyka just feels the confusion.

Bunny: uh-huh because from what I can see and I did share a past life, I was the fact that kept them from going further than they did which would’ve became dangerous.

Russ: oh, well good for you on your part dear.

Bunny: yeah I was to bit in the middle that stopped them, I was the shoulder….

Russ: okay.

Bunny: I was the protector, the protector of both of them actually from each other.

Russ: hmm.

Bunny: I was the one that had both as it were.

Russ: well, I wish I had my past lives.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: you know about.........

(The end results of Bunny's effort with Leah and Lyka are revealed in a session from 2014 called "States of Mind" where Leah thanks her sister for her help).


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