From the Wars of Durondedunn to the Mountains of Sirius-

Channeled (6/17/98)

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Archivist Notes: The staff of the Hades Base News would like to celebrate another year of exciting growth ahead for the planet. Part of that excitement comes from a new site being built which will work in conjunction with this site and is explained in detail in the latest editorial. More of that excitement begins in this first channeling session of the year. Bunny is back and will be the last speaker on the podcast but we need to clarify that this isn't just one channeling session, it is a combination of two channeling sessions because Karra's time speaking on side two focused on house renovations we went over through much of the side. Instead, we have replaced that with an excerpt from another tape where the only usable section was with Kiri giving a detailed description of fifth dimensional physics. This channeling session was notable for the absence of Omal who was unable to attend. Even without his presence, we learned a great deal about two worlds not our own of both the 3rd and 6th dimension. Overall a very enjoyable and educational podcast.

   Getting the year off to a start is Tia who begins coordinating the session by keeping things serious for now. This was a session recorded in 1996 though it sounds like Tia channeled this days ago. She begins going over the various Defcon levels and possibilities as established by the base, she lays out things we are seeing across the planet on a daily basis. One stark difference is that the stock market 23 years ago was smaller by more than half of what it is now. The major forest fires, acts of civil disobedience, heat waves and torrential rain in fact are on the increase from what they were then. It's no wonder this was the tape chosen at "random" as usually happens when deciding which channeling sessions to use. Luckily this one was picked because next, she remembers for us details of her home planet in the third dimension, Durondedunn. She recalls a world much like our own and their wars that killed off much of the population with the numbers killed being heavily male. Their evolving from there led to a matriarchal society which still exists with women outnumbering men by a factor of three to one. She returns at the end of her time speaking on the possible future and the correlations between the season and social unrest. She then lets Karra take up the rest of them before we move on to the different channeling session. Karra has a worry about my working too hard and the toll it had been taking on me. That is what leads to begin talking about the three different possibilities Tia had discussed where I would be able to make it no matter what happened. We end with us discussing the possibilities of establishing a video conferencing as a way of getting the channeling sessions onto a new platform for the Harmony Conference and channeling sessions.

   As we enter a totally different channeling session, Kiri is already talking as the subject comes up about the current state of her pregnancy. She was far along enough that a telepathic link had been established. We change subjects at that point to get an update of her flower crop back on Sirius which consisted of a field of highly sought-after pink flowers, a natural aphrodisiac of the planet. The medium of exchange she worked with was wine for those who purchased the crop which amounted to an astounding number of cases of wine. This was to our benefit since it was the storage of that wine that would take up the rest of her time channeling. What Kiri calls her broom closet, we would call a warehouse. She is able to employ fifth dimensional generators that use gravity to adjust the size of the room to fit her needs. Because of that, we get a very long and detailed description of how the physics of the fifth dimension operate in opposition to the reality we are used to. Her engineering knowledge is useful in her explanation on the training they do for those getting education of those physics. She moves on from there to her other field of expertise of coercion to explain to a guest the morals behind using that skill. It's a familiar lesson to regular listeners to the podcasts and as usual, she gives us an excellent dissertation for us to ponder. After Kiri wraps up we return to our original channeling session from side one where Karra is just finishing what she had been previously discussing. Tia is then back to introduce Huna, better known as Bunny who had been on the base healing from her healing she had done for her sister Leah and Lyka. (noted in previous podcasts) She was in for a last channeling session before heading back to college on Sirius and being that Bunny is her stage name, we here about a guy who gave her ten acres of land for one of her legendary sessions. Just her luck it had some blue flowers on which Bunny would be able to have as trade goods after the next harvest. We still want to get her sister on before the tape ends so Kiri makes the transition between sisters since Tia got ambushed as she left the channeling field but in a very loving manner. There's not much left on the tape but there is enough to learn that Leah and Lyka had found a way thanks to Bunny on how to conceive a baby between the two of them using a more natural form of insemination than would have been available in a lab.              

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KARRA RUSS (Archivist)


2.)(30:08)- Karra talks about the importance of maintaining an even keel and balancing a workload before moving on to the best ways to face the future should society change from its current status.

1.)(00:53)- Bunny lets us in on the fact that she was traded a plot of land in the mountains of Sirius that had a half of an acre of it growing blue flowers unbeknownst to the prior owner's knowledge.

2.)(9:55)- Leah is excited about the future where her and Lyka were to have a baby girl and is able to now announce the method to make it happen has just been invented by her sister.

3.)(12:36)- Kiri gives us the most detailed description yet of her broom closet that with the help of gravity generators is able to maintain a storage space in a completely separate dimension.

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(Tia starts the session off quoting her three daughters)

Tia: "I don’t want pigtails in my hair." "I want pigtails my hair." "I look silly with little pigtails in my hair."

Russ: I’ll take your word for it. I've never seen you with pigtails so.....

Tia: no, I just mimicking.

Russ: I know. Oh, so your night’s going kind of fun too huh?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh good. Well, never a dull moment.

Tia: well they’re always like this when their dad picks them up from the


Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: something about pigtails?

Tia: well they won’t say no if he wants to put them in pigtails which they look cute in.

Russ: yeah, all kids look cute in pigtails.

Tia: uh-huh. Yeah, he calls them pig's tails I call the horse's tails.

Russ: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I never understood either one so no worries there. So what’s up tonight love?

Tia: ohh....okay we online?

Russ: yep, ready to rock ‘n roll.

Tia: okay. Okay it’s a quiet night, we don’t have Omal, we just have us girls.

Russ: that’s a good night.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay now, so you can be aware of…….

Russ: oh God.

Tia: what?

Russ: ashtray got dumped, disgusting habit.

Tia: I quite agree.

Russ: oh well.

Tia: he should be made clean it up.

Russ: too late.

Tia: okay, back to business, where was I? Oh yes, so you can declare or be aware of when we're going to declare a Defcon advancement. Okay for Defcon three, a drop of 150 points with, in three different locations civil disobedience and one large-scale such as major forest fires, some ecological disaster somewhere such as a forest fire, major oil slick, heat wave, torrential rain in some major food producing area. Okay?

Russ: okay.

Tia: so we have those three steps. 150 drop, three locations of civil disobedience, some kind of natural environmental problems such as gas…..

Russ: hurricanes?

Tia: hurricanes in major crop producing areas, okay?

Russ: okay.

Tia: something that will damage the harvest. For example, Mark was complaining about the price of red bell peppers. Guess how much red bell peppers are?

Russ: I don’t know, a buck thirty nine?

Tia: this time last year, yes.

Russ: how much are they now?

Tia: $3.29 and they’re not even good ones.

Russ: that’s quite a jump. Yeah but
El Niño pretty well wiped out the red bell pepper crop.

Tia: uh-huh. So, taking El Niño as a one environmental disaster okay?

Russ: okay.

Tia: it’s affected the Central Valley…….

Russ: right.

Tia: all the way down it’s affected all the way up to the Yakima Valley all the way along okay?

Russ: right.

Tia: okay, so that is one environmental disaster.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay, now we haven’t had three locations at the same time of civil disobedience. We did have a drop of however many, 209 points…..

Russ: right.

Tia: with a recovery today of I think it was 178 but I don’t have the figures on my hands at the moment. Okay, so we’re part of the way there. Now if there’s another environmental problem and a drop of 150 points plus, plus three locations of civil disobedience, then we would declare a Defcon three.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, for Defcon two…..

Russ: right.

Tia: okay, it is either a drop of 500 points….

Russ: okay.

Tia: in one day….

Russ: right.

Tia: or a continuous downward trend for a period of two weeks where it loses approximately up to 800 points with six locations of civil disobedience, not all the same time but again in the space of two weeks…..

Russ: all right.

Tia: plus two major areas of environmental damage regardless whether it is crop producing or not. Now they do have to be…

(Tia takes a break to scold the cats outside in Durondedunn)

Tia: they have to be at least major forest fires, major forest fires like you had in the far east in Malaysia and all that area…..

Russ: right.

Tia: the Philippines and so on, or major, major earthquakes in large populous areas of massive millions or billions exceeding $11 billion dollars which is bigger than the San Francisco earthquake of ‘89.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay?

Russ: all right.

Tia: Defcon one is a drop of a thousand in either at one time or over a week, it’s more likely over a week. Okay because when the market reaches 500 what happens? They close it down.

Russ: right.

Tia: so it have to be a drop of
a thousand in the space of a week, six civil disobediences of massive proportions such as the scene in Jakarta….

Russ: right.

Tia: not all in the same location, they’ve got to be spread around all over the planet and four natural disasters of considerable proportion over the period of two weeks exceeding again $11 billion dollars each. You got that?

Russ: that’s a bunch. So that's the three.

Tia: uh-huh. We’re in Defcon four at the moment but we’ve been watching and thinking about Defcon three for a while just because the market is being a little bit on the jittery side and the fact of the ongoing El Niño thing as you rightly pointed out and the problems in the far east with the nuclear tests and everything. It’s something that’s kind of pushing it back that way however I have seen a general trend in the times that I’ve been doing my map analyzing work as department head of summer times when you have the monsoons and the heat from late winter, spring till late autumn….

Russ: right.

Tia: is always a time of activity, intense activity as a majority of the populace lives in the northern hemisphere, that’s where all problems seem to be generally located. You don’t hear of major disasters exceeding $11 billion in somewhere like Lima Peru do you?

Russ: no, nor are you likely to.

Tia: no. So, the trend of the summertime is something that is always jittery because in the northern hemisphere is so crowded and there are so many billions of people in the northern hemisphere all concentrated on average about 500 miles from the coast in. So there’s a lot of pressure on those areas and of course those areas happen to be the most fertile areas as well because of all the alluvial plains and glaciation and so on. Stop at the oceans and deposit all their nutrients and goodness on the soil. And of course all the mountains are based inland and they all wash down into the oceans depositing silt and sediment and all good stuff all across the
alluvial plains again.

Russ: right.

Tia: so that 500 mile corridor where everybody happens to live…..actually you could probably narrow it to 250 but 500 is a nice figure. So you see the problem, with all those……I don’t like that look of his.

Russ: what?

Tia: the stubble.

Russ: well I don’t think it’s a permanent thing, I think he’s going shave it off after this week’s over isn't he?

Tia: I think he ought to shave it off sooner. Luckily when he comes up here he’s clean-shaven otherwise I wouldn’t let him into my bed, I would say, “go shave that stuff off.” Okay, now do you have questions?

Russ: yeah, for the most part, this is stuff that we’re looking at in the future….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: do we have an idea how far in the future?

Tia: I’m waiting to get the okay to release that kind of information from the Council.

Russ: okay. Now somebody might accuse you of being an alarmist…..

Tia: yes.

Russ: okay….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and well with good reason. I mean in times past you have predicted stuff that due to things that happened in the White House have not happened….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and so therefore some people worry that possibly we're jumping the gun and stuff even though I know we’re not…..

Tia: uh-huh but you have received emails from people saying that that’s the impression that they’re getting.

Russ: no.

Tia: no?

Russ: they’re just a general impression I would get if I was reading stuff like that.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and I was wondering how you would respond to someone like that.

Tia: well okay my response is it’s better to be prepared than to be caught with your panties down.

Russ: correct.

Tia: it’s better to have a plan of saving money, saving food, being cautious, being careful, being prepared for whatever comes. If it never comes that’s wonderful, that is great, but if it comes and when it comes you will be prepared. There is no set date, people have often have made the mistake of setting a date on when things are going to happen, when the world’s going end blah blah blah, when there’s going to be a nuclear war etc. etc..

Russ: right.

Tia: and are any of those groups that have predicted the coming return of Christ, the nuclear war, are they still around?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh but they’re fading away because they made the simple, simple mistake of putting a date. There is no date on the Apocalypse, there is no Apocalypse, it just gets worse and worse and worse until people pull her fingers out of their tush and get their act together and realize that they’ve got to pull together. Whether they’re in Africa, or they’re African-Americans and white Americans, one group’s members are the Black Panthers, the other group's a member of the triple K gang, they’ve all got to realize that they have to pull together otherwise none of them are going to survive as a group. They have to drop their grudges and say, “okay, just because the skin's a different color, we all bleed red blood, we all have hearts and livers and lungs and brains, we have to get on.”

Russ: well and that’s it, pulling together has never been man’s strong suit.

Tia: no and it wasn’t on my planet.

Russ: and it wasn’t on Sirius.

Tia: no.

Russ: for example, on Sirius it was one group of people….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: who got together for a common cause…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: 120,000 to be exact.

(Ed. Note: it was actually a 144,000)

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: on Durondedunn, I don’t know the story there but I’m sure it was a similar story.

Tia: well actually it was after the men decimated themselves because of the redheads and the blondes and the black hairs and the brown hairs, they all lived in different parts of the planet. Skin color never meant anything to us. So your skin’s darker or lighter or whatever, it was hair color was kind of the racial difference. All the blonde people lived in the cold climates, all the redheads happened to live in the kind of middle climates where it would be warm or cold and then of course the dark-haired ones lived further South in the more hot zones.

Russ: hmm, okay. And so that’s when it became matriarchal?

Tia: pretty much after that that we realized that we had to get together and work together and then it was those that lived in the cold climates wanted a bigger area from those that lived in the temperate zones and so on. And that’s when we women had our bloody wars, it wasn't over hair color or stature, it was over land, much like you had.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: and our wars were much more bloody then the males had, much more bloody, much more ferocious.

Russ: hmmm. Well you didn’t go through that though....

Tia: no.

Russ: so all you can do is read the history books on that.

Tia: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: hmmm. Well someday I'll read about our history books and how everything was nice and peaceful until all hell broke loose.

Tia: name me a day when it’s been peaceful on your planet.

Russ: locally or worldly?

Tia: worldly.

Russ: yeah, never happen.

Tia: I think it was Christmas Day 1967.

Russ: I don’t think so.

Tia: I’m joking.

Russ: of course, but it's just something that all planet’s goes through.

Tia: uh-huh, it’s a matter of evolvement, evolving from a warlike planet such as your planet or my planet or Sirius and realizing that warfare does not solve everything. The bloodshed of women fighting for land and men and so on is not right. The ratio on my planet of women to men is still about three or four to one.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: at one time, men on your planet would love this, the ratio was thirty to one.

Russ: women to men?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: thirty women vying for one man.

Russ: poor guys would be worn out.

Tia: well that’s when they started to become docile.

Russ: yeah I would be, I wouldn’t have any energy to do anything else but be docile.

Tia: uh-huh pretty much so and then it became a genetic thing and finally that’s how they ended up.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: seeing men that are so much a part of your everyday existence being the dominant ones, the thing is that if you’re not careful, you may go the same way.

Russ: hmmm, it's possible.

Tia: the thing is on my planet is that lesbians or lesbianism or being bisexual is not really frowned upon.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: it’s not frowned upon at all, it’s something that…..

Russ: it seems it would be a natural course of events actually.

Tia: yes it is actually. But in my day and age….

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: it’s still reasonably common but it’s not something that you see every day and it's accepted.

Russ: interesting.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well I’m sure someday we'll find out about peace and love.

Tia: yes hopefully.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: it’s hard coming from, as I keep on saying, a garden planet and seeing what you people are doing to your planet.

Russ: well there is an answer.

Tia: what?

Russ: I don’t know the answer but I know there's an answer.

Tia: of course there’s an answer.

Russ: I think the answer’s in the Great Pyramid.

Tia: I don’t know, I don’t know.

Russ: I just think it holds a key. Should I let her in?

Tia: no.

Russ: why, what's she saying?

Tia: they’ve got to learn patience, they’ve got to learn that you can’t have access to everywhere. You see, the way I see it is that a matriarchal society has the advantage over a patriarchal society because there are times when we women can’t fight. Six months out of a year maybe we’re unable to fight because we’re busy giving birth so that we understand in more detail the rhythmic cycles of the human body.

Russ: hmmm.

Tia: we have religious festivals…..

Russ: right.

Tia: where we have religious battles.

Russ: right.

Tia: one religious order against another or one province against another led by the religious order of that area.

Russ: okay.

Tia: and the religious battles will be fought until somebody is either seriously injured or dies and fortunately they’re not very often. I think I remember seeing three of them. One when I was very little, one when I was not quite a teenager and then one when I was 15......

Russ: oh.

Tia: I was 14 when I saw that one and I would’ve been delighted for it to be my turn to join in. It’s a big free-for-all, we're dressed, we’re wearing protective gearing but we have these huge, huge battles of….…..well not huge, two, three thousand people a side……

Russ: right.

Tia: where we pound on each other until somebody gets seriously injured or is killed and all the bloodshed is kind of a gift back to the soil, back to the mother.

Russ: that's a bit violent.

Tia: yes but it’s a controlled violence releasing all that tension and pressure.

Russ: hmm. Well the Romans had their gladiators, I suppose that’s good for you guys.

Tia: yes in a way but it’s all the stress and tension that builds up is released in the festival and of course afterwards there’s a whole load of drunken debauchery.

Russ: yeah of course.

Tia: uh-huh. It’s a rhythmic cycle of life and death.

Russ: hmm, well like I say, it’s not the first time I’ve heard of that happening.

Tia: no and I believe it still happens on your planet in Sandalwood, the island of Sandalwood, I believe they call it the Pisolla.

Russ: hmm, I’m not sure on that fact but I'll take your word for it. Hmm, well, we have our National Football League and France has got the World Cup and so on and so forth.

Tia: yes, soccer, apparently a long protracted war is a lot less damaging than one World Cup series.

Russ: that’s what I understand also.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now since the human race is tied so closely into the earth…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: itself, how close does the earth actually come to affecting people’s moods and actions?

Tia: oh very, very close. Okay let’s take a area that you are familiar with, Los Angeles.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, during the winter, what is crime rates like there?

Russ: I don’t know.

Tia: it’s less during the winter because everybody doesn’t want to get rained on and they don’t want to get wet and the air is blowing all the time and it doesn’t get so smoggy and it’s not so hot.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, during the summer, what’s it like?

Russ: it’s been a long time, I assume the crime rate goes up from what you’re saying.

Tia: dramatically because A, it gets terribly hot and when people get hot what do they get?

Russ: irritated?

Tia: uh-huh and when people get irritated they hurt each other.

Russ: hmm, interesting.

Tia: uh-huh. So there is a direct correlation with the planet and if it’s hot or if the planet or the ground is cold.

Russ: hmm, that’s interesting.

Tia: uh-huh. After all, when it’s raining, nobody's going to go out and do drive-by shootings unless they have a real grudge.

Russ: true. Unfortunately, we have more grudges than we need.

Tia: yes, unfortunately.

Russ: I see what you mean.

Tia: uh-huh. So it is something that is very rhythmic and cyclical to do with the planet's tension, tension in an area. Have you ever been in a place where it is just alive and buzzing?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: and have you been to that same area and it’s been absolutely still and cold?

Russ: I haven’t been in that same place twice.

Tia: uh-huh but you’ll find that it’s a direct correlation to what is going on in the area and the climate and how the ground feels.

Russ: well for example, prior to an earthquake, is there more violence?

Tia: no not really.

Russ: how about after an earthquake?

Tia: yes.

Russ: why?

Tia: because having survived a major earthquake, people are missing items, their TV's are damaged, their houses are damaged and they go out and loot.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: it’s to do with the old adage of those that have and those that don’t have.

Russ: so this ties in a lot with what you’re talking about?

Tia: correct.

Russ: for your Defcons….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: due to the fact that there is a civil strife and then there’s an earthquake….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that would fit right in there.

Tia: but it doesn’t quite work that way.

Russ: what if there’s three civil strife's, one earthquake and then the market goes down because of the earthquake?

Tia: it’s very unlikely to happen that way.

Russ: so it’s not all three…..not two and then one…..

Tia: no.

Russ: it's all at the same time.

Tia: they’re kind of mixed together, circumstantial items.

Russ: so it could happen like that?

Tia: it could.

Russ: okay.

Tia: but normally the way that it works is the market goes down, there’s civil disobedience and possibly, we hope not, but some kind of a natural disaster.....

Russ: yeah.

Tia: which kind of pushes it or the market goes down, there’s a natural disaster and there happens to be civil disobedience. All these things together because the market……

Russ: so there’s a natural disaster, the civil disobedience and the market goes down.

Tia: well the reason is when the market goes down right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: there’s not as much money circulating right?

Russ: right.

Tia: which could trigger civil disobedience. If there is a natural disaster, forest fire, earthquake, avalanche, whatever…….

Russ: Rodney King trials.

Tia: etc.....

Russ: etc..

Tia: okay? Then that could be triggered by an earthquake, the market, forest fires, etc. you see?

Russ: right.

Tia: you see the civil disobedience is more of an after fact.

Russ: yeah the civil disobedience, for example as with the Rodney King trial, is just an example how easy people can be lit off.

Tia: oh most certainly.

Russ: in fact if I remember right, wasn’t there an earthquake or something about that point?

Tia: what the Northridge one?

Russ: around the Rodney King trial thing?

Tia: no it was only a little one.

Russ: but had the market gone down at the same time?

Tia: it was only a little earthquake. Don’t forget what one of the criteria is, got to be a large earthquake…..

Russ: Northridge wasn’t that small.

Tia: no, I think it only made about 3 billion.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: we’re talking 11 billion.

Russ: okay. Hmmm, all righty fair enough.

Tia: uh-huh, okay, so you got all that right?

Russ: got all that.

Tia: okay, do you understand?

Russ: yes I do.

Tia: any questions?

Russ: not a one.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Russ: bye love.

(Karra is the last speaker on this side)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hello love.

Karra: how much do we have left on this side?

Russ: let's see, we got about half a tape, a little less than half.

Karra: okay.

Russ: how you doing sweetheart?

Karra: I’m doing okay.

Russ: okay?

Karra: I’m worried.

Russ: okay?

Karra: I’m worried.

Russ: what are you worried about?

Karra: you.

Russ: why?

Karra: are you happy?

Russ: relatively.

Karra: but are you maintaining that even keel?

Russ: for the most part, I would say at least I’m being able to achieve something I’ve always wanted to do.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and to get to that goal, this is one of those times where I’ve got to push myself.

Karra: uh-huh now last night, I was listening to you talking to Mark.

Russ: at the restaurant?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: Mark kind of oh-hummed as normal…..

Russ: yeah of course.

Karra: maintaining his neither positive nor negative, just that even keel….

Russ: right.

Karra: you were excited….

Russ: yeah.

Karra: you were very energized.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: even though I’m worried about you working too hard it’s for a good purpose. I’m not going to tell you to back off and not work so hard, that would be wrong.

Russ: right.

Karra: I’m not going to tell you what you should or should not do, I will just do what I normally do which is…

Russ: nag me to death.

Karra: advise.

Russ: well I know darling, we had a long talk about that this morning.

Karra: uh-huh, I don’t nag, I advise.

Russ: I know, I joke with you.

Karra: I know. But if I didn’t advise, I wouldn’t be doing my job.

Russ: that’s right.

Karra: the most important thing is the fact that I love you, you’re my twin soul and working for that goal, that objective, that purpose is so important, it’s…… work now and you work very, very hard now for five, 10 years. After that it’s plain sailing.

Russ: I won’t make it five, 10 years.

Karra: hey, positive thinking.

Russ: that’s true.

Karra: be positive.

Russ: but I look at it this way, I’m not looking at five or 10 years down the road.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m looking at five or 10 months down the road. I see the light at the end of the tunnel right now.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I see the point where what I’m doing now takes me in what I want to do later which is basically be able to prepare and be comfortable in my preparations for the future.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: be able to just relax and hey, if I’m working, at least I’m relaxing and doing what I love to do.

Karra: exactly, exactly.

Russ, right now for the next two weeks I’m going to kill myself.

Karra: uh-huh but what I’m saying is that it’s whether or not we go into at the moment from what Tia says we're kind of A, B right?

Russ: right.

Karra: okay, let’s say it stays A, B right?

Russ: okay.

Karra: which means that nothing major is going to change.

Russ: right.

Karra: then all this hard work can be used for the future…..

Russ: sure.

Karra: making things more comfortable on the long game.

Russ: right.

Karra: but, if it slides into B or B, C, then you have this setup that can be used almost more immediately then what you were planning. And if it slips into C, then so what, you're going to be too busy surviving….

Russ: right.

Karra: to worry about it. So A, B is the ideal one that we want right?

Russ: right.

Karra: the one where things stay pretty much the same and 10 years down the road you’re sitting back playing golf on the 17th tee at Sawgrass with your house that overlooks the golf course.

Russ: yeah right, okay, but theoretically yes.

Karra: but you see what I’m saying?

Russ: right, okay.

Karra: didn’t you say that you wanted a house near the 17th at Sawgrass on one occasion?

Russ: no, I never say that.

Karra: no I think it was Avenel actually.

Russ: could’ve been. Now here’s the other thing….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and you just brought this up and I just realized it is that if okay, let’s say we go into B, C…….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Then in that case our situation is still good because people are going to need our services….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: for information…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: for relaying stuff that needs to be relayed.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: situation C is something where all of a sudden we got a barter thing going.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and we have services that we are well-known for and can provide…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: no matter what happens.

Karra: yes.

Russ: and people will come to us for the information and for the technical data and stuff that they need.

Karra: uh-huh and that’s when you plan in advance when you see it happening that way, you buy a generator for each computer.

Russ: good call.

Karra: uh-huh, because you will be able to print up news sheets which will be highly sought after…

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: you can print up flyers, handbills, etc. all for little favors.

Russ: sure.

Karra: "I print up a hundred news sheets for you, I want a thing of paper", is it a bolt?

Russ: well....

Karra: a ream.

Russ: a ream.

Karra: okay you want a ream of paper for that.

Russ: yeah, I mean on all this stuff even after if everything happens, it’s still trade-able goods.

Karra: oh yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: more so.

Karra: yeah. But it's...

Russ: videoconferencing I think is going to be our biggest point at one point.

Karra: oh yeah, I know Mark's been toiling with the idea for quite a while.

Russ: I think video conferencing and getting people hooked on visually across the world will be something that we'll be able to take well and true advantage of.

Karra: that's wonderful, how much do those cameras cost?

Russ: cheap, a hundred bucks.

Karra: a hundred bucks plus what's the software?

Russ: it comes with it.

Karra: really?

Russ: yep.

Karra: hmmm.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: a hundred bucks and all the software is in it?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: hmm.




(Karra finishes up speaking from the previous side)

Karra: is that the natives?

Russ: could be.

Karra: they’re getting restless huh?

Russ: I suppose, we haven’t heard from them in a while, I guess we were due for a little bit here and there.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, how much time we got left sir, I’ve got the Bunster to put on?

Russ: halfway.

Karra: okay, I’ll put the Bunster on.

Russ: okay.

Karra: the Funster, Bunster.

Russ: the Funster, Bunster.

(Tia makes her last transfer of this session)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, putting the Bunster on.

Russ: okay.

Tia: we’re putting Bunny on.

(Bunny is in for a last session before heading back to college on Sirius)

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: so how’s it going sweetheart?

Bunny: it’s going good.

Russ: excellent.

Bunny: oh guess how I integrated my personalities?

Russ: how?

Bunny: I just accepted them.

Russ: fantastic.

Bunny: uh-huh, I still have both aspects as part of me but they're fully integrated. I enjoy all the little quirks and things that those two have.

(Leah and Lyka)

Russ: excellent.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: well you sound much better I’ll tell you.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: sound like a vastly improved Bunster.

Bunny: and very horny Bunny as well………Bunny.

Russ: sorry, Bunny.

Bunny: thank you.

Russ: I’m so used to the Bunny Monster.

Bunny: uh-huh, Bunny Monster's fine, Bunster no. Bunster in Sirian…..

Russ: you mean there’s a Sirian connotation to this?

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: you’re kidding me.

Bunny: is subservient.

Russ: you’re joking me. There is a Sirian word Bunster.

Bunny: bun ster. Not Bunster, bun ster.

Russ: still, that’s pretty dang close.

Bunny: uh-huh. That’s why I say no, I’m not subservient.

Russ: of course not, now that I know.

Bunny: I think the thing would be…..Karra’s looking at me strange, it’s a lowland sea area……’s actually the area I’m from.

Russ: oh.

Bunny: basically it means subservient property of....

Russ: well no wonder.

Bunny: which I’m not quite sure what that would be on….

Russ: Karra wouldn’t know about those because she’s not from there.

Bunny: no but it's subservient and property of, a chattel, which I don’t know what the common word would be that you have.

Russ: it would be slave.

Bunny: which is?

Russ: a kept person, owned person I guess you could say.

Bunny: there’s nothing wrong with being kept but owned is no.

Russ: yeah, owned I guess would be the word you could say, like cattle.

Bunny: yes, that’s basically what it’s like.

Russ: right okay.

Bunny: so what do you want to know?

Russ: well I want to know how your time’s being spent down here in your secluded sabbatical from work and college and all that kind of stuff?

Bunny: well I did quite a bit of walking whilst I was trying to integrate my personalities.

Russ: normal.

Bunny: uh-huh, went out for long walks. Actually the thing is I actually enjoyed not being recognized.

Russ: why? Is that a problem up where you're at?

Bunny: uh-huh. Actually I think I look good in bright red hair, that bright red…..I don’t like wearing contacts making my eyes as light as green that they are. I think I’ll keep my eyes natural but I do like this light red.

Russ: good.

Bunny: uh-huh, it does set off my skin tone real good.

Russ: hmm excellent….

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: and well it should.

Bunny: yeah. I do like having longer hair too, I’ve let my hair grow.

Russ: well good….

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: actually it would probably look better for you.

Bunny: yeah.

Russ: well, everything is going well then?

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent, excellent, looking forward to your trip back?

Bunny: yeah uh-huh, I’m going to spend two weeks with the family.

Russ: oh good.

Bunny: and then, in September…..

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: I have two whole months.

Russ: well you going to spend them here at the base?

Bunny: I’m going to spend probably October time on the base.

Russ: hmm, that will be fun.

Bunny: uh-huh. Spend all of October...…(sighs in contentment)

Russ: so is your new girlfriend base personnel I take it?

Bunny: no.

Russ: oh she’s back on Sirius?

Bunny: yeah uh-huh, she’s actually…...

Russ: missing you horribly I hope?

Bunny: she’s a graduate. Well she has a boyfriend too.

Russ: oh.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: so not missing you horribly.

Bunny: actually he’s a nice guy, he just didn’t understand the fact that I was having psychological problems.

Russ: well, not many people could.

Bunny: no, she was very tender about the whole entire thing.

Russ: I mean the thing is, I mean anybody talking to you would still think that you’re hyper intelligent anyway.

Bunny: except for when I was in the Lyka mode where I was very aggressive.

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: pounded somebody’s face for no reason whatsoever.

Russ: ahh.

Bunny: actually I think he was hitting on me and I didn’t like the way that he was hitting on me.

Russ: well there’s class and there's taste and then there’s classless and tasteless.

Bunny: thinking back on it, I could’ve got rid of him just by giving him the kiss off instead of just turning around and whooping his ass.

Russ: well, you probably have something where people think that maybe a kind word and a good comment might actually get something like a session with you probably.

Bunny: well he was very blatant, he said, "how much for you?"

Russ: hmm, well even down here that’s tasteless.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: everywhere that’s tasteless.

Bunny: uh-huh but I have been known to go for that kind of offer and be just as……if I’m really horny……just as upfront. I did it for a guy, he offered me 10 acres of land for a afternoon.

Russ: hmmm. Well the thing is what’s un-excusable is you're both telepaths.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: down here, it’s tasteless….

Bunny: yeah.

Russ: and we’re not even telepaths down here.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: up there where you’re telepaths, that’s doubly tasteless.

Bunny: it was on the I-mode.

Russ: that’s even worse.

Bunny: yeah but the guy that gave me 10 acres, hey, he didn’t even last two hours.

Russ: well, you ever go visit your acreage?

Bunny: uh-huh, it’s nice acreage.

Russ: well that’s good.

Bunny: uh-huh. It actually abuts on to……about half of it has a whole load of blue flowers on it.

Russ: well, there you go, it’s an investment property at that point then.

Bunny: uh-huh, he didn’t even know that, he just thought it was mountain stuff. I went up there, he’d never been up there.

Russ: oh, inherited land.

Bunny: uh-huh. So I went up there and checked it out and I’m walking around the property perimeter and I’ve got out my guide and it was sort of like I come across all these blue flowers that are just budding and I’m going, “hmmm” and I follow the guide and I follow the guide and half an acre of it is blue flowers.

Russ: wow, you’re a blue flower farmer now.

Bunny: I had approximately 12 dozen produced from there.

Russ: really? That’s…..

Bunny: this year if I’d been farming it instead of letting it go natural I would’ve taken a loss because we got three crops out of it.

Russ: wow really?

Bunny: uh-huh and they weren't even that good.

Russ: well….

Bunny: I tried to use them as a cure for my problem?

Russ: uh-huh.

Bunny: and it just made me worse.

Russ: we have the same problem down here with alcohol.

Bunny: uh-huh, I just went from one personality to another a lot faster.

Russ:  hmm.

Bunny: I remember on one occasion being so confused by what was going on I just sat in my room and cried all night.

Russ: anyway, good to have you back Bunny.

Bunny: uh-huh yeah, I’m back but I still have that aspect but they’re controlled.

Russ: well that’s good. Like I say, it’s probably strengthened you.

Bunny: oh yeah, I think it has.

Russ: okay sweetheart, have fun.

Bunny: uh-huh.

Russ: go nuts, we'll see you tomorrow.

Bunny: okay, bye.

Russ: bye.

(Kiri stands in for Tia as ring mistress)

(Kiri sighs)

Russ: hi Tia.

Kiri: yes?

Russ: busy night tonight?

Kiri: I think Tia’s going to be very busy.

Russ: ahh, who’s this?

Kiri: huh?

Russ: is this Kiri?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: yeah, sounds like it.

Kiri: yeah. She started walking towards the pyramid and Bunny just leapt out and pushed her to the ground kissing her all over and she’s not fighting her off.

Russ: well no, nobody fights Bunny off.

Kiri: uh-huh and Karra’s laughing. I don’t think Karra knows what Bunny’s up to.

Russ: she’ll figure it out, Karra’s a smart girl.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay.....

Russ: okay.

Kiri: let me put on the last speaker. We have the time I believe, you want to check?

Russ: let's check. You better make it quick.

(Leah makes her return as a guest speaker)

Leah: hey Russ.

Russ: hey, what’s up Leah?

Leah: oh usual stuff, watching my sister trying to seduce your bond mate.

Russ: what’s trying mean? There’s nothing trying about it.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: so how you doing darling?

Leah: I’m doing good.

Russ: yeah? How has life been treating you like lately?

Leah: pretty good, pretty good, I miss my love though.

Russ: which one?

Leah: I only have one love.

Russ: I know, I’m kidding with you.

Leah: uh-huh. She’s getting a bad reputation you know?

Russ: who, your love?

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: for what?

Leah: for being harsh.

Russ: well, she’s got every right to be, look what happens while she was gone?

Leah: didn’t Mark tell you what she told us?

Russ: no what?

Leah: that there was a girl cleaning behind Mark and she’s going….

Russ: oh yes.......

Leah: f'ing bitch,
f'ing bitch, f'ing bitch.....

Russ: oh yes, yes, I heard that one.

Leah: oh you did? I thought that was hilarious.

Russ: that was pretty good, I’ll admit that.

Leah: uh-huh. Told the whole thing at the breakfast table the other day, thought it was hilarious.

Russ: well now Lyka didn’t hear that.

Leah: no.

Russ: so….

Leah: she came back late last night…

Russ: oh did she?

Leah: and then she was gone first thing this morning and fortunately I'd finished my homework so I spent all day kind of tired, I took a nap before dinner so I'm much better. Didn’t get any sleep last night.

Russ: why should you? Your love’s in town.

Leah: uh-huh, we tried out what my sister's designed.

Russ: what did she design?

Leah: oh she designed a strap-on.

Russ: another one?

Leah: no this is a special one, this is a prototype because Lyka wants a baby, she wants my baby.

Russ: oh that one.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: yes, I’ve heard about that one.

Leah: it’s set on a timer.

Russ: uh-huh, yes I have heard of that one.

Leah: uh-huh.

Russ: so have you had a chance to really get trying that out?

Leah: we tried it out…..

Russ: test driving it?

Leah: we gave it a test run last night.

Russ: and?

Leah: it works good.

Russ: so, everyone’s happy with it?

Leah: uh-huh, now all’s we’ve got to do is get the correct material to make artificial sperm.

Russ: well why don’t you just get real sperm?

Leah: well it’s going to have my DNA and Lyka’s DNA….

Russ: oh that’s right.

Leah: and hopefully a guy’s DNA to make it stable.

Russ: yeah you do need that extra chromosome there.

Leah: yes, because they make artificial sperm out of my DNA….

Russ: right.

Leah: it’s guaranteed to be a baby girl.

Russ: true, true.

Leah: and a baby girl that is sterile.

Russ: true.

Leah: and……..

(Postscript: Leah and Lyka would have eventual success with their method of fertilization to where a baby girl would be born and the progress can be found in this channeling session posted )

(Kiri starts side two from a different channeling session than side one. We will finish though back where we began)

Kiri: okay, getting down to some engineering critiques, you definitely need some RF filters in there. The omnidirectional microphone is working at the maximum of its range. Also you’re getting some bleeding from the wiring sensors in the radio tuner there which can be minimized with using filters.

Russ: there's only one little problem with that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we don't have a radio tuner on there.

Kiri: okay so why is it picking up the radio station if it doesn’t have a tuner?

Russ: same way a phone does.

Kiri: okay you need to minimize that by putting some filters in there of some kind.

Russ: yeah, I’ll have to probably figure something out, I don't know what.

Kiri: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: but in the meantime levels look pretty good, I’m getting green across the board.

Kiri: okay we’re online, everything looking fine, okay. So what do you guys want to know?

Russ: well let’s see, how’s the pregnancy coming along dear?

Kiri: uncomfortable, my back hurts, I have a tiny bladder, my feet are swelling, my fingers hurt, my knees hurt, my back hurts, my stools are okay.

Marilynn: (laughs) well thanks for sharing.

Russ: there is a God.

Kiri: uh-huh. I’m not suffering from constipation, my iron levels are good, I’m still keeping reasonably in shape by doing a lot of walking. Without giving out too much information, the baby’s developing fine, the baby’s very talkative, the baby definitely doesn’t like hot, spicy foods unlike Leonedies who seemed to revel in that stuff.

Russ: as I understand, the baby's also a girl.

Kiri: I never said that it was a girl.

Russ: Mark did.

Kiri: I never told Mark that it was a girl.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: I said it may or may not be a girl, it may or may not be a boy, hence the reason why I have been very gender-neutral.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: what I’m saying. I know what the baby is, the baby knows what the baby is but we’re not saying.

Russ: oh, okay, well that’s good I guess.

Kiri: uh-huh.

(Russ laughs)

Kiri: what?

Russ: mother’s prerogative……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is all I’ve got to say.

Marilynn: mother’s prerogative.

Kiri: mother and baby’s prerogative.

Russ: mother and baby’s prerogative, right.
Marilynn: until birth.

Kiri: until birth.

Russ: there’s no hiding at that point.

Kiri: no.

Marilynn: then mother's prerogative no longer exists correct?

Kiri: uh-huh. At least I don’t have Tia’s problem that I have to make a nest, she likes to make nests when she gets pregnant. It’s a holdover thing that she gets these urges to....much like I’ve had urges for cream and mushrooms or raw shrimps, things like that.

Russ: not cooked?

Kiri: not cooked.

Russ: so I understand your flower crop is looking good.

Kiri: it depends on how you look at it.

Russ: as in bad weather but good for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you sold them all I believe if I heard right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: congratulations.

Kiri: yes, yes, I sold them all and the highest bidder gets the crops. I’m selling them in groups of 12 so 12 flowers at the moment are running close to about 30 cases is the highest offer so far.

Russ: for 12 flowers?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: 30 cases?

Kiri: uh-huh.
Marilynn: I don’t know what 30 cases means.

Russ: cases of wine.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: wow.

Russ: yeah 12 bottles of wine…..

Marilynn: right.

Russ: then you have 30 of those to get your 12 flowers.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: 30 cases of wine. And how many flowers are you looking at?

Kiri: I’m looking at probably in one section I'm definitely going to have 12 dozen, that’s in one quarter and in the next quarter probably twice that and in another quarter it’s going to be half of that and in the last quarter it may be only probably three dozen. That’s the area that's still under deep snow right now.

Russ: that’s a lot of flowers.

Kiri: no not really.

Russ: it’s a lot for…..

Kiri: it’s about half……

Russ: it’s a lot of wine.

Kiri: it’s about half of normal.

Russ: it’s more wine than we could put in this house at any one time.

Marilynn: well yeah.

Russ: we'd have to stop living here just to store the wine here.

Kiri: uh-huh well I keep all of my wine in the broom closet.

Russ: good call, I would too.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: temperature controlled….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: easy to maintain.

Kiri: it’s a unit deep, it’s three units high and two units across.

Russ: that’s in the fifth dimension.

Kiri: and it’s not even a quarter full.

Russ: you need a big forklift to put stuff in there.

Kiri: no, I just put it in the doorway and push. Getting it out is always a problem though.

Russ: that would be a bit of a problem, how do you do that?

Marilynn: bottle by bottle.

Kiri: no what I actually do is I send a little robot in that seeks out what I want and each one is tagged and labeled so the robot can find it and then it brings out the case.

Russ: oh.

Marilynn: well that’s handy.

Kiri: and I programmed it to do that. However sometimes I have to build new ones as the last one that I sent in there is still searching.

Russ: “look, there it is, up there on top. Oh gee, it’s a flat robot."

Kiri: no, no. No it’s more along the lines of the instability of a fifth dimensional workspace.

Russ: oh, tough for the little guys to get around in there huh?

Kiri: uh-huh, I think it’s lost in there somewhere.

Marilynn: sad.

Kiri: do you know of the physics of fifth dimensional space.

Marilynn: uh-uh, no I don’t.

Kiri: (sighs happily) okay, in fifth dimensional space, things do not appear as they seem. For example, Russ, find two objects of dissimilar size.

Russ: two objects of dissimilar size, that should be fairly easy.

Kiri: preferably a matchbox and a....small matchbox by the way, and a book.

Marilynn: how about a CD and a book?

Russ: how about….?

Kiri: a cassette will work.

Russ: there’s a cassette next to you. I got the cassette case and this box here which is slightly larger.

Kiri: perfect.

Russ: grander size I’d say.

Kiri: okay, now we have two objects here of different proportional size. Now this is an explanation of fifth dimensional space. Okay now this one is bigger, in fact it’s so big that we cannot do this and it fits inside. Thank you. Okay now, it’s a perception thing, we put this one here…..okay, that one there is still bigger than this one however, Marilynn…..

Marilynn: yes, I know this game.

Kiri: okay, now if you hold that one up in front of that, in front of that one….

Marilynn: right, I can make it disappear.

Kiri: and that is one explanation of the appearance of the fifth dimensional workspace that that is actually bigger than that which isn’t the case because we know that that box there is bigger than that cassette case. But it appears to be bigger when you hold it up close.

Marilynn: so perception is….

Kiri: that’s correct, perception is one of the things to do with the fifth dimensional workspace. That is part of how I can get over half a million cases of wine into a broom closet.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: okay now the other thing about the fifth dimensional workspace is that the laws don’t stay constant. For example, this, in the fifth dimensional space......or in the third dimensional space does this.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: now if I was to do that in a fifth dimensional space it may end up on the ceiling….

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: or it could end up on the wall. Also, because of the instability of the fifth dimensional workspace, let’s say you wanted to walk out the door…

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: and go to the bathroom.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: in a fifth dimensional workspace you could get up and start walking and on one occasion it may be just a simple walking across the room and into the bathroom. But, another time, you could walk and take one step and the door is just as far away as it was when you were sitting so you take a second step and it appears the same distance and you can walk and walk and walk and end up walking for several hours all day and never get to the door. But, if you were to turn around, walk out through the glass door.....opening it first of course.....and walk around, you’d get to the bathroom.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: however, the next time that you try to do that you may find that you can't get to that door because that door is so far away that you keep walking and walking and walking. Sometimes it would be easier to walk up the wall, across the ceiling and out the door instead of walking directly towards it. So it varies from time to time because of the instabilities. Okay, let’s answer some questions before I proceed.

Russ: has anybody in the third dimension ever adequately explained the mechanics of the fifth dimension?

Kiri: not really, it’s hard for us sometimes but the fifth dimension has some very useful properties. For example, the fact that you could store vast quantities of stuff in there. There are times where if it becomes too unstable, my broom closet would start spewing cases of wine out until it had closed down to be totally the reverse of what appears to be right now. However, because of the generators that are mounted within the retaining walls of the broom closet that help to create the stability, it won't do that. If I remove those, it could double, quadruple in size and the poor little robots I sent in to get my various cases of wine that I want may be there until whenever. But just as quickly as it can expand, it can also contract and reverse the process.

Marilynn: so just like molecules with heat and cold, that they expand with heat and become in essence larger like steam or contract with cold like ice.

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: so you had the same volume but it does change because of the speed of the molecules.

Kiri: that’s correct. With the fifth dimensional space, it doesn’t quite depend on hot or cold…..

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: it depends on gravities.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: as the gravity changes and shifts it will contract or expand. If the gravity is more dense, it spreads it out more. If it’s less dense, it tends to contract to maintain the same space.

Marilynn: but you have the same mass?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: so again like with third dimensional with the masses neither created nor destroyed…..

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: it’s in the same.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: okay.

Russ: I get it, so you have gravity generators mounted on the walls to control its size.

Kiri: correct, to keep it constant and they have to keep adjusting because it doesn’t always stay constant.

Russ: oh I get it. Do they have like a measuring device on it that measures the gravity and adjust it up to or down to that particular one you that want to achieve?

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s correct.

Russ: so if the engines were to fail somehow you could lose your entire stock of wine?

Kiri: uh-huh. It would either expand so rapidly that the wine would be ripped to pieces with the expansion or I could end up with bottles of wine, each one being 10 foot tall or because of the contraction, it would squash everything down and I could end up with wine bottles this size.

Marilynn: are there any limitations in either direction?

Kiri: it depends on the area that you’re using. If you’re using for example my broom closet, there are limitations on how far out it will stretch.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: it will stretch out to approximately.....mathematics time……about a mile and a half. That’s if the generators were to fail or it would compress to a foot by a foot by a foot cube.

Marilynn: okay.

Russ: half a million cases of wine into a foot by foot cube?

Marilynn: small wine then.

Kiri: uh-huh, that’s the minimum. Now, here’s an interesting thing, if the generators fail, I said the wine would be pushed out, that’s not exactly true, it would be better. If the generators failed, the wine isn’t destroyed, the same with if it expands the wine’s not destroyed. See what you’ve done? You've started me having difficulty with words. But, what happens is as I hinted I would have bottles of wine either 10 foot tall or yea big.

Marilynn: so even the contents accommodate the….

Kiri: that’s correct.

Marilynn: should I say the holder of them. I mean like if you had something within a balloon….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and that…..

Kiri: that’s actually a very good analogy is that it is like a balloon.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: you blow up the balloon and it gets bigger and it will hold more.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: you let the air out and it contracts and it holds less.

Marilynn: and do dimensions……say you have something that’s 10 x 10…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and something 20 x 20….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: do they both have limits to their expansion in consideration to their original… there an original size I guess is what I’m getting to or is everything constantly moving? Everything adjusting at all times………

Kiri: everything is adjusting at all times however with the stability generators, it minimizes that. The generators themselves actually adjust to keep it constant.

Marilynn: it’d be a real shame to go out of your abode whatever it'd be and it'd just be smaller and you couldn't get back in.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would be a shame yes.

Russ: it sounds like you’re almost harnessing the power of a tame blackhole without the incredible gravities.

Kiri: hmm, that would be one way to describe it is a tame blackhole but it’s not because a blackhole is actually intense gravity, this is not intense gravity.

Marilynn: it can be absence of gravity.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well it can’t be absence.

Kiri: well the gravity helps to keep the stability.

Russ: you have to keep everything on the ground, the absence of gravity would be all floating around there.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that be a real mess for the robots.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would be, it would be. Everything…..gravity is applied in the normal means that you understand but it’s not always as it seems. The perception part is something that is very useful. For example I made the statement that you could walk up walls, you quite literally can and your perception would be that people would be sitting on the walls or holding onto the walls to stop themselves from falling off.

Russ: do people go bonkers studying the fifth dimension in sixth dimension?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: yeah the absence of gravity doesn’t mean I’m not saying no gravity, I’m just saying that different levels of gravity. I mean there’s different on each planet, there is a different gravitational pull……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: and less and more, so......and even the moon isn't without gravity to my knowledge, it’s just a much different….

Kiri: it’s one fifth of your earth gravity.

Marilynn: right, so it’s just a different…..

Kiri: uh-huh. That's correct and it’s all to do with the relative mass of the size of the body. For example, the moon is about 1/5 the size of your planet correct?

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: so the gravity is one fifth.

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: whereas if you look at somewhere much larger, let us take one of our favorite heavenly bodies Tia…..I mean Jupiter, and have a look at it, at the core the gravity is so intense that if you were to go to the core you would be about half an inch thick and about 8 miles wide. Or even less than half an inch, you see?

Marilynn: I think I do understand as best I could.

Kiri: okay…’s a little tricky, it’s little tricky. Don’t underestimate yourself, you’re actually extremely smart and you know that.

Russ: time would have a funny thing to do with the fifth dimension.

Kiri: how do you mean?

Russ: well, because the fourth dimension would intrude on the fifth dimension at some point.

Kiri: well doesn’t the second dimension also intrude on the third?

Russ: right so time interacting on the fifth dimension would probably screw up your time perception as bad as your distance and directional sense.

Kiri: not as much as you think.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: does time affect the third dimension?

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: in the normal, linear line that you are used to correct?

Russ: correct.

Kiri: and it does in the same way in the fifth, time does pass. It doesn’t pass any more rapidly or any more slowly but it is slightly different.

Russ: hmm, okay and then again it’s slightly different in the sixth.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so your perception of time is different from our perception of time.

Kiri: yes. The fact that, to use one of Skip’s phrases, I am a snot nosed kid is quite true even though Skip and myself are only I think six months to a year younger than Skip?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: in my time, I’m a snot nosed kid, I can live up to a thousand years old.

Russ: well that’s pretty young for most people in the higher dimensions.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay I’m starting to get a better idea of it anyway of what takes place in the fifth but......

Kiri: it’s not always as it appears which is the most important thing.

Russ: but the fact is that you’re able to harness it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and use it as a bit of a tool.

Kiri: yes, it’s also a very useful teaching tool to understand things.

Russ: what, stick somebody in a room in the fifth dimension for an hour?

Kiri: yeah, about that.

Marilynn: a whole new meaning to timeout.

Kiri: uh-huh. Well it's also can be quite torturous especially if you have a disposition towards indulging in vast quantities of food. You can put a plate of food in down in front of somebody and maybe or maybe not they could get to it.

Russ: that’d tame your alcoholism in a heartbeat.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah an example is that you do have a glass of wine sitting on a table right in front of you and you can reach for the glass of wine and it’s just as far away, so you lean further and it's still just as far away but if you get up and walk around to the other side of the table….

Russ: reminds me of a dream I had once, something very similar to that happened to me once.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it’s very disconcerting.

Kiri: the one I like is where I put my arms up just like this and somebody thinks I’m standing on my head.

Marilynn: interesting.

Kiri: uh-huh, I’ve done that just to goof with people. I’ve actually stood on my head and somebody’s walked into a fifth dimensional space and they look at me and they're like, “Kiri, are you standing on the floor or are you standing on your head?” And I’ll tell them I’m standing on the floor which really plays with them.

Marilynn: I’m sure.

Kiri: uh-huh. See I’m used to the fifth dimensional workspace, I use it sometimes for engineering projects.

Russ: what good would that come?

Kiri: ohhh there’s lots of goods that can come from it. By amplifying the local gravitational field, I can take a microcircuit board that’s this big and I can make it this big.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: which means?

Russ: it would help in your robotic work.

Kiri: uh-huh or did I let a little trade secret out there?

Russ: you possibly might’ve of.

Kiri: drat.

Russ: well it’s not one we can use down here.

Marilynn: well alrighty.

Kiri: how do you think I make such beautiful and powerful little robots that stand yea tall?

Russ: what’s interesting though is, if you’re able to manipulate the fifth dimension on the sixth dimension.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how come we can’t manipulate the fifth dimension in the third dimension because we're not past it yet or it’s the fact that we don’t have the technology to do so?

Kiri: both, you need one to get to the other to achieve the other. Now, also there are some very interesting things that you can do with a fifth dimensional space. As I’ve already stated, you can take a circuitry board that is that big, make it that big, that big or however big you want it and you can go through the wiring process. And then by removing the gravitational field that you’re using to either stretch or contract, you can go back to the original size but it will never be smaller than the original size.

Marilynn: okay.

Kiri: you can make it bigger, much, much bigger…….

Russ: why can’t it get smaller if the wines can get smaller?

Kiri: I can make it smaller but once I take it out it returns to its normal size, let me clear that up.

Russ: oh okay, that makes sense.

Kiri: for example, if I was to take the bottles of wine that are yea big, bring them out and as I bring them out they become bigger.

Russ: well let’s say 500,000 cases and you put them all in the size of a shoebox…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you wouldn't want to take the shoebox out at any point….

Kiri: no, because the weight would be such that it would be impossible to lift it. See the weight doesn’t change.

Russ: oohhh, that makes a difference.

Kiri: the volume inside doesn’t change.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: it just…..

Marilynn: becomes more dense.

Kiri: that’s correct, that was the word I was looking for. It wasn't in....well it is in my vocabulary but it’s difficult sometimes for me to call up words.

Marilynn: I understand.

Kiri: yeah. Anyway, coercion.......

Russ: coercion.

Kiri: now we’ve covered the moral ethics, Russ is probably sick and tired of me going over the moral ethics.

Russ: no actually, they're quite handy to always get refreshed.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, self-gratification is a no-no with coercion. For example, coercing some guy to come and join me for some fun, that’s a no-no. Coercing somebody to do something that is beneficial to myself, that’s a no-no. Coercing somebody to do something that is good for their health, it depends. It depends on whether or not it will subtract or add to their learning lesson. Okay, let’s say that they need to learn in their life that drinking is going to kill them. Let us say I could coerce somebody to stop drinking but, they’ve got to learn that drinking will kill them and they’ve got to stop on their own, if I stop them they learn nothing. However let’s say that they're the sole supporter of offspring. If I coerce them to stop drinking, I’m now affecting their children who will continue to be able to function as a family. One is good, one is bad. By taking away the learning lesson, that is bad but by protecting other people by keeping them from learning that lesson is good. So there’s a moral dilemma there, which you do? Do you let them carry on in their own little world and destroy themselves and have to come to the conclusion possibly when it’s too late that it's bad for them or do I intervene and coerce them to stop drinking? Which do I do, which would you do Russ?

Russ: I would basically convince them of the fact that the realities of the situation are that do they want a happy, long life or do they want to short kind of life? I mean they have to look at their responsibilities and they’ve got a put them on a scale.

Kiri: you haven’t answered the question. The question is not how you stop them from drinking, do you coerce them to stop drinking or do you not coerce them?

Russ: well that’s the moral dilemma there isn’t it?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean, for myself, I'd say yes, I’d stop the drinking, they've got kids.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they’ve got other people besides themselves to be responsible for, drinking isn't going to make that any better......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and if I coerce them, they think they did it all themselves.

Kiri: okay Marilyn….

Marilynn: uh-huh.

Kiri: what do you think?

Marilynn: kids are involved right?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: well you’re destroying more than just one life if the kids are around an alcoholic parent.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: so in deference to the indefensible which are basically children….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Marilynn: I believe that one should use coercion to coercion.

Kiri: there actually is no correct answer, there is no answer. It is one of the questions that is posed to us but it is actually using addiction to other things, not alcohol but I changed it to suit the third dimension.

Russ: right.

Kiri: it is one that you have to justify yourself that do you intervene? Now, the next level to that is maybe it’s the children’s purpose in life to learn how to deal with that situation which makes it harder. When you have one person alone, do you interfere in an alcoholic’s life to straighten them out on their path or is it something that they have to learn to deal with to learn all the problems relating to alcoholism?

Russ: well we’ve addressed this problem numerous times in numerous situations with different scenarios every time.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and I think the most common thread we finally reached was the fact that if you do nothing, then that's what you’re supposed to do, if you do something then that’s what you’re supposed to do.

Kiri: but it depends on each circumstance.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so the learning part is the important thing. The morals that come with coercion is, making a decision on when to interfere. You can definitely say self-gratification is a no-no. It gets more difficult the further you progress into it. For example, the alcoholic. We’ve covered that, we’ve covered both the single alcoholic and alcoholic responsible for other people. Let us say that the alcoholic now is somebody that you care about, somebody important in your life. Do you coerce that person to stop being an alcoholic?

Russ: I think you got to ask yourself the question, are you doing it for you or are you doing it for them?

Kiri: uh-huh.


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