Assignment Ashtar Command and Hologram Hunting-

Channeled (08/10/1992)

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Archivist Notes: In last month's channeling session, Tia was asked about her shyness in front of a group the week prior. This is that group and this is that week. We find out during the session that Tia had to be coerced by Kiri to come on to speak to some new guests. She lasts less than a minute before heading to the sidelines to sit and watch the rest of the session. Kiri gamely takes over as ring mistress due to her experience with other groups besides ours. She would be back to finish up the second side as well with Tia suffering from a rare lack of words. The guests joining the channeling session were students of a class of mine attending their second session and were still processing the ability to ask questions of those on another planet and dimension. Introductions over, a question is asked about past lives which would get follow-ups throughout the night and lead to some very deep revelations. Since souls travel in groups, she surmises that everyone in the room had shared a life or two. With our guests more at ease with Kiri, the conversation shifts to more about her and her life. We learn from her that everyone in their society works, even the children in the fact of their daily learning. That leads her to joke about starting up an intergalactic travel agency. Kiri explains how everyone has responsibilities that they love doing and she has trouble understanding why people would work as something they don't love. The skiing course on the base was to be the site of the Tri-base ski tournament set for the winter. Our Summer Olympics in Barcelona was taking place at the time which brought the similarities to their event. That gets us to the end of her time talking and it's Omal's time to speak for the remainder of the side. The lack of space for this summary cuts out many of the great topics discussed but the key topics were parallel universes and how they differentiate more the further out from our reality. A return to the theme of past lives brings on the revelation that this life was preceded by one where I was a member of Ashtar Command. Whether I'm speaking to my former boss isn't brought up and his remark that is very hard to leave the command is relevant to many on the third dimension. He answers a question on the validity of astrology before the big revelation of the night. A question about alien intervention and the Bible opens a Pandora's box when the topic of Immaculate Conception arises. He reveals some artificial insemination was possibly involved and the most qualified person on the base to doing at the time would've been the resident geneticist Kornas. Why this question never came up in our later conversations with Kornas may be another case of intervention. With that, we get to the end of the side with more revelations to come.

The tape changes sides and Omal gives us a look into the workings of Ashtar Command and the Council of 12. What we learn from Omal is that small groups like ours doing channeling sessions were test beds for interacting with groups across the planet and even other planets. Plans that are made by the Council and given a trial run with groups like ours could could affect those of a race that wasn't human. They gave our interactions with the base a bit more seriousness. We then get his input on a class I was putting together with the help of our guests. I explain the class outline and he gives some great thoughts on how to proceed. We next get into a discussion on coercion to help our guests understand more about Kiri's ability with the skill. A question on crime and coercion leads to us finding out that doors aren't locked on the base except in those secure areas that might harm the personnel due to their not being any crime on their dimension. This is the point where we learn that Tia had been coerced to speak at the start. It was done we find out to help her get over her fear of strangers. We know in the session in the following week would have Tia being the only base member to speak on side one and part of side two. What we find out next is that everyone in the group including Mark had been in a higher dimension prior to our incarnation on the third. That revelation alone made the session a key addition to the archives. He ends his time talking searching for an analogy on why someone would return to the third after being on a higher dimension. Basically, it was a return to learn lessons forgotten after so long a time. Kiri takes over from there for the rest of the session and we get into a topic Omal brought up about her use of coercion. She confirms that it's usually done with the eyes and the emotion she can convey with her eyes. That gives us some tips we discuss on how to use the eyes to determine a person's mood. Speaking of moods, she explains how Tia remembers her home world and the one time she had there when hunting animals so she uses the hologram suites to re-create animals from that world to hunt. Being an engineer, Kiri explains some of the technical elements involved in how the computer responds to hunting with no weapons. We get to the end of the session discussing how the graveyard shift on the base use lights and other ways to give their bodies the belief that it's daytime to keep the body in rhythm. It's handy with a base that never sleeps and is ready for anything. It was a lot of great new knowledge that is inspirational if only for the fact that we've been in a higher dimension, we can certainly get there again.

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

KIRI- Ring Mistress



1.)(0:42)- Kiri explains to some new guests how the process of multiple lives takes place such as souls traveling in groups. She gets to also talk about her life and life on Sirius to a curious questioner.
2.)(19:25)- Omal confirms the existence of parallel universes and how each is a little bit different from the next before taking on whether the birth of Jesus was a result of artificial insemination thanks to the base.


1.)(0:00)- Omal returns and explains how the ruling Council of Ashtar Command makes and evaluates their decisions. He reveals as well that each person in our group had already ascended and came back.
2.)(21:11)- Kiri elaborates on Omal's revelation that coercion involves emotions and how they are conveyed by the eyes. Then, recreation on the base is the topic so we hear about the holograms available.

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(A coerced Tia gets the channeling session started but leaves shortly thereafter)

Russ: well I'm glad you got over your initial reluctance darling.

Tia: hmmm.

Russ: well, sort of. Tia, I'd like to introduce you to a couple people.

Tia: hmm?

Russ: this is Mary Jo straight across from you.

Mary Jo: hi.

Tia: hi.

Russ: this is Bob over here in the chair.

Tia: hi.

Russ: this is Tia. I heard about the kids latest achievements.

Tia: oh, thank you. Bye.

Russ: bye?

(Kiri takes over from Tia as ring mistress for now)

Russ: what happened to Tia?

Kiri: chicken.

Russ: chicken. Hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo.

Russ: yo. Kiri: this is Mary Jo and Bob.

Kiri: greetings and welcome.

Russ: someone who might stay for a little bit longer.

Kiri: difficult to get me out.

Russ: poor Tia, she was like, bye.

Kiri: gone.

Russ: what, she going off with Mark for a while?

Kiri: I think she's going to stay and watch, I don't know, I don't care.

Russ: good job.

Kiri: so, what's happening?

Russ: not much darling. We're sitting back and talking and what's going on up there?

Kiri: hmm, chaos.

Russ: I'll bet.

Kiri: uh-huh, people chickening out.

Russ: what's going on up there my dear?

Kiri: oh, little ones all over the place, Rugrats crawling around.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: crawling through this, crawling through that. Making things appear and disappear. Changing people into funny things.

Russ: that would be your prodigy?

Kiri: what do you think? He's not a prodigy.

Russ: oh, tell me about the little kittens lost their mittens story.

Kiri: oh, he was making little mittens appear and disappear.

Russ: yes, but in a very dramatic sense.

Kiri: well he's been hanging around with all sorts of people, hasn't he?

Russ: Alex, he's Kiri's son who is a manifestor.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: I was just checking out a question here I had for you dear.

Kiri: really?

Russ: anyway, it was some research I was going through and it was on the fact that back in ancient Egypt, one of the things that they had a belief in was the fact that it was unimportant how old or how small a person was due to the fact that their many lifespans they'd been able to achieve.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so someone as old as Alex could be more important than some of the oldest people in the place.

Kiri: yeah?

Russ: just due to the fact that their age wasn't as important as far as their knowledge.

Kiri: so, what's the question?

Russ: so, is that how it works up there?

Kiri: no.

Russ: no?

Kiri: everybody is regarded on their own merit.

Russ: ahh. Oh, how is the racecourse going?

Kiri: is that meant to be a joke?

Russ: not much of one.

Kiri: hmmph.

Russ: anyway guys, I'm going to leave the questions up to you there.

Kiri: don't be shy.

Bob: obviously, you've been monitoring what's been said in this room and in this house.

Kiri: just a few people, a few technicians that do that sort of thing.

Bob: so do you.......

Kiri: no, not me personally. I have my elder sister's youngest daughter to look after at the moment.

Russ: Karra's younger daughter.

Kiri: yeah. Uh-huh, I'm the younger sister.

Bob: and a couple questions I have today. Is it from you I can get some answers?

Kiri: I can try and if not, I'll get somebody that can help you.

Bob: right.

Kiri: somebody that's real cool and they can.....

Bob: this is on reincarnation.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Bob: is it always just that we incarnate back to the planet Earth or do we go on to other planets?

Kiri: later on.

Bob: later on?

Kiri: yeah, when you have to learn other lessons then you will go elsewhere. It's nothing you can run into.

Bob: is that the case for everyone?

Kiri: not necessarily with everyone. Some people will stay on one planet and they will ascend, I think. I'm just.......yeah, I think that's the way it works. And some people go to different planets to learn different lessons.

Bob: now, do we become different nationalities, race......

Kiri: what do you think, you think you have?

Bob: I have no idea.

Kiri: most people have been different races, different nationalities, different colors, different types of ears. Pointed, big sharp ears. Playing with you guys.

Bob: and I also heard that other sexes.

Kiri: uh-huh. Male, female, it doesn't matter as long as you learn the experience. If you're somebody like Russ who's a male chauvinist oink oink.

(Bob chuckles)

Kiri: then maybe in his next life.....

(now Russ laughs)

Bob: so yeah, something to work on for him.

Kiri: no more than anybody else. I'm just being a little bit on the playful side.

Bob: well, are you able to..........for me for example, are you able to see me in my past lives?

Kiri: hmm, I try to hand that over to somebody that's much better at that sort of thing, so save that one.

Bob: okay. Part of the reason I was asking that is I'm curious, has Russ ever had a past life with me?

Kiri: more than likely. Souls travel, or spirits, or whatever you want to call them, tend to travel in groups. I don't know how big the groups are. They can vary in size from maybe a few dozen to many hundreds. So at one time you probably worked with everybody in this room, except for me probably.

Russ: absolutely.

Kiri: or there again you could have, let me think. You have to excuse the sound of gears and smoke coming. I'm trying to get my brain to work. Sleepless nights you see.

Russ: yes, and I wanted to thank you Kiri for much of those sleepless nights.

Kiri: it will be your turn soon.

Russ: I'm looking forward to it.

Kiri: watch it buddy boy. You had a question, ummm.....?

Russ: Mary Jo.

Kiri: Mary Jo.

Mary Jo: well, why don't you just tell me a little bit about you and the life where you live.

Kiri: me?

Mary Jo: you say you're sisters, you're Karra's sister.

Kiri: yeah, Karra's younger sister. We both come from Sirius. I'm a coercer, so watch it.

Mary Jo: which means?

Kiri: that I can control other people with my mind.

Mary Jo: is that something you can do in spite's something you can do without the.....

Kiri: hmm, I can focus the energy over a long distance but it's really not as strong. In fact, it's very iffy over the sort of distance between here and there.

Russ: don't believe a word of it.

Kiri: party pooper.

Mary Jo: so how may children do you have?

Kiri: just the one.

Mary Jo: just the one? And in kind of an earth term, how old is your child?

Kiri: he's about ten months old. Yeah, he's a little thug, a hooligan. Yeah, he makes things appear. He's a show off.

Russ: throws things at people.

Kiri: yeah, when they don't pay attention.

Russ: right.

Kiri: what else? I'm into skiing. Anybody ski?

Mary Jo: you have skiing?

Kiri: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mary Jo: snow skiing?

Kiri: uh-huh. And water skiing, I love water skiing.

Russ: you have the water skiing?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: you mean with all the dolphins out there?

Kiri: of course.

Russ: how would I know, it just got built?

Kiri: go down and see Alana.

Russ: I'm going to.

Mary Jo: how does your society work within an economic system like we do or.....?

Kiri: economic, how do you mean?

Mary Jo: do you have a bartering system where.....

Kiri: exchanging goods for one to another?

Mary Jo: yeah, of some sort.

Kiri: no.

Mary Jo: does the whole community just kind of everybody does what they need to do?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Mary Jo: everybody takes care of what they need and provides for....?

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, basically yeah. We have machines that take various molecules and assemble them. If I want some new clothing, I ask a machine to assemble the fabric and design the clothes myself. Actually I'm pretty good at it.

Mary Jo: I think it should be that way here.

Kiri: yeah, everybody works, everybody works. Even the little ones. But they more work by learning. I'm an engineer, I design various modifications for your UFOs. That's fun. So the next time you get picked up by a UFO watch out for my handiwork. Sorry, I shouldn't be so.....

Russ: yes you should.

Mary Jo: yeah, you should do whatever you want.

Kiri: I shouldn't be so mischievous and playful. Probably giving totally the wrong impression but.........

Bob: no.

Kiri: spoiling my fun. I'm going to go and sulk. I'm opening up my

Russ: travel agency?

Kiri: yeah, travel agency, yeah. It's going to be Kiri's trans galactic travel agency.

Russ: I'm first in line, me and Mark.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: get us up there anytime.

Kiri: well the calls are very expensive but flights are cheap.

Russ: no doubt.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so anyway, I assume that Karra's doing much better. My energy levels way up.

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah. She's sawing wood? Is that correct?

Russ: snoring big time.

Kiri: uh-huh. Getting those zeds in......Z's. I've been hanging around with that weird English guy again.

Russ: Mark and Kiri are bond mates.

Mary Jo: do they have any......

Kiri: yeah, Alex, uh-huh. We have Alex.

Mary Jo: well congratulations.

Kiri: oh thank you. Yeah, almost eight months now. Only tried to kill one another a couple of times.

Russ: how is the course shaping up?

Kiri: oh, we're getting there, we're getting there.

Russ: have you watched our Olympics yet down here?

Kiri: too busy, got too much to do. Listen to the news. We had a UFO accidentally go visible.

Russ: tell us more about the UFO darling.

Kiri: oh, it was just somebody materializing that hadn't meant to. Being too inquisitive.

Russ: really? I heard about that. Happened........

Kiri: to make a quote, I could tell you but then I would have to terminate you.

Russ: right.

(Mary Jo chuckles)

Russ: anyway, I heard something about it.

Kiri: it was meant to be.........

Russ: they've got a ski race coming up that Mark and Kiri will be judging in. Kiri's the pro skier up there.

Kiri: there are people better, much better.

Russ: but they're in the contest.

Kiri: uh-huh, I'm not.

Russ: it's sort of like our Olympics but a lot bigger.

Kiri: a lot bigger?

Russ: yeah. Well they're using better skis. More advanced.

Mary Jo: what is it, technology and.....?

Russ: right.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: highly technical skis.

Kiri: more questions.

Russ: who's up?

Kiri: who's on first?

Russ: besides yourself.

Kiri: who's on first?

Russ: who, nevermind.

Kiri: who's on first?

Russ: all right, all right, all right, we could go all night on this one.

Kiri: it was the tall, skinny guy and the fat guy that beats up........what's that?

Russ: glass on crystal.

Kiri: wine.

Russ: absolutely. She's getting Mark's senses more. Where before she couldn't smell or taste them.

Kiri: red?

Russ: yeah, red it is.

Kiri: couldn't tell you what type of wine.

Russ: not bad from some six feet away.

Kiri: well, it's a little bit of wind blowing it.

Russ: well it's also an extra big glass.

Kiri: no, it's not my house.

(Everybody laughs just before the sound drops out)

(the sound returns in the middle of a conversation)

Russ: and holograms of various animals the two of us would chase around.

Kiri: cats, dolphins, birds.......birds? Yeah. We have animals with long ears and nasty, pointed, sharp, fierce, ferocious teeth. Big ears? We have animals that have big ears. Don't know what you would call them.

Russ: rabbits?

Kiri: kinda shortish body, kind of curved with little fluffy....

Russ: that's rabbits.

Kiri: okay. They have little, small, Tia's favorite thing.

Russ: mice.

Kiri: yeah, mice. Okay.

Mary Jo: all right, well how about this? As long as humans have been on this planet....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Mary Jo: how far back does, for want of a better word, alien.......

Kiri: interference?

Mary Jo: well not even interference, involvement.

Kiri: alien involvement can be traced back approximately a million and a half experiments? That's why I said best ask Omal because it's...........and you've got a feline outside that's knocking to get in.

Russ: gotcha.

Mary Jo: are you very knowledgeable at all about any of the business that we can talk about that might be about the Bible?

Kiri: you'd have to ask Omal again. I know.

Mary Jo: just curious.

Kiri: Kirious or curious?

Mary Jo: I like that, Kirious. No, just curious.

Kiri: yeah.

Mary Jo: okay, so you can't answer questions about the Bible?

Kiri: no, not really.

(Mary Jo addresses the next question to Bob)

Mary Jo: have you any questions?

Bob: to develop certain specialties, do you have a formal education as we know it?

Kiri: we learn the basics of reading and writing which we tend to forget each life. Otherwise yeah, we have formal educations, we have schools, we have crèches where children are kept that aren't learning anything. Or they learn things like communication skills, interacting with other lifeforms.

Mary Jo: are the people on your planet, do they enjoy what they do as far as their jobs are what many people need to do.....

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.

Mary Jo: because they see it as something they have to do?

Kiri: we each do what we enjoy. Yeah, I have difficulty understanding doing something that you don't like doing.

Mary Jo: so do I but we somehow continue that down here on earth.

(The guys both started to laugh)

Kiri: yeah, I find fiscal policies very hard to understand. I try. I suppose I get an A for effort. In actual knowledge I probably get a X or Y?

Mary Jo: well we're just not up for engineering questions right now.

Kiri: well, coercion, how to control somebody's mind. Project a thought, any thought, pick a thought.

Mary Jo: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you want.

Kiri: I'm just being silly.

Mary Jo: oh, okay.

Kiri: playful. Well I better hand over to the next person. I'm hogging the conversation here. Not nice for me to do that.

Russ: all right ring mistress.

Mary Jo: bye Kiri

Kiri: I'll be back.

Mary Jo: okay.

Bob: okay, we'll be looking for you.

(Omal comes on to get us to the end of the side)

Omal: greetings.

Russ: greetings Omal. Introductions all around.

Omal: Mary Jo?

Mary Jo: yeah.

Omal: Robert, Russell. Okay, let us proceed with questions.

Bob: are you able to see past lives? If we've know each other in past lives, been in a life at the same time?

Omal: yes.

Bob: have Russ and..........?

Omal: yes, I'm not going to elaborate things, it will become clear later on. I do not wish to subtract from the professor there.

Russ: oh, thanks.

(the group laughs)

Omal: would you wish for a pair of half-moon glasses perhaps?

Russ: I'm quite fine.

Omal: or a black surface with a white surface to write with?

Russ: no, chalkboards won't do much for me.

Omal: ahh, okay.

Russ: but thank you for that.

Omal: okay, let us proceed with the next question.

Bob: is.......

Omal: would you put that somewhere where it can receive better?

Russ: I'll try this.

Omal: okay.

Bob: I haven't really found a satisfactory answer to parallel universes.

Omal: uh-huh.

Bob: there really is such a thing?

Omal: yes there are. They're parallel in the extent that if you take the next universe over from this one, it may be so trivial a difference that the letter T may not have as big a top to it. Or may have a big top to it but also a little bottom to it. But the further you progress in parallel universes, the more different and exotic the differences are.

Bob: okay. Are we able to exist in a parallel universe?

Omal: you mean your present form being able to transfer to a parallel universe?

Bob: okay.

Omal: yes, you can go from one universe to another however the mechanics and mathematics of it are extremely difficult and complicated.

Russ: you can do it accidentally sometimes too.

Omal: accidents, I prefer not to discuss them as accidents, as learning experiences.

Russ: learning experiences, correct.

Omal: but each universe has a set set of rules. For example, what goes up must come down. In the next universe it would be the same rule but there may be something slightly different in the laws of nature. And the further you progress again, the differences become more pronounced.

Bob: kind of back to the subject of reincarnation. Seers, as they're called here on earth, psychics who can supposedly see into the future. In just the two channeling sessions I've been involved in, it seems like when we get to a question pertaining to the future, it gets all.......

Omal: we can neither confirm nor deny that..........

Bob: right.

Omal: or, this is not relevant at this time. The reason being is that looking into the future is quite simple. Looking further in the future is a little harder but just as simple and this is how you do it and it's quite simple. Look at the past, everything repeats itself. If you take fluctuations in wealth, you can look back and there was a incident where your wealth market went drastically wrong and everybody lost a lot of finances. And you look back to 1929 and you see that it happened again. And then to 1898 and then 1886 and so on, you can see that these fluctuations occur. So by looking at these events, we can predict within the next ten years there will be a financial crisis. Ten years being an estimate of plus or minus a couple years. So that by looking at the past you can predict the future.

Russ: so everything repeats itself, that's not an absolute rule.

Omal: no, that's not an absolute rule but things do generally repeat themselves.

Russ: for example, if we are to get ourselves out of our financial way of doing things like they have on Hades Base we could break that in a moment.

Omal: correct.

Russ: at the same time then that would take into account other things. For example, us being here with you. Would you say then that's repeating itself?

Omal: yes.

Russ: from a prior time?

Omal: yes, I would say that it is repeating itself. How, I cannot explain.

Russ: well, of course not but it's enlightening even at that point.

Omal: as you might say, it is very hard to leave Ashtar Command.

Russ: absolutely and I'm happy to still be here.

Bob: reincarnation, will we continue once we've done whatever we came here to do or go somewhere else and reincarnate with another......

Omal: yes, you will. You will learn your necessary lessons at one place and then you go to the next level. You may ascend or you may find that it is necessary to proceed to learn a lesson on another planet somewhere. And by doing so, it teaches you a whole new set of lessons that you learn until you've learned all the lessons at your new location. You will keep on reincarnating there until you learn the lessons relevant to you on that planet.

Bob: astrology. Is there any basis for astrology?

Omal: only in gravitational effects. There are certain characteristics that people can fit into whatever astrological sign that they wish. Scorpio, a fiery temperament. It is true to a certain extent that fiery tempered people tend to be born in that sign but that is because they are informed of that. You're a Scorpio so therefore you must be fiery and after a while they come to believe that so therefore it becomes true.

Russ: hmm, that may have some advantages. For example, being a Pisces, I've always been told I was mellow and spiritually minded. I certainly evolved that way.

Omal: yes.

Mary Jo: but if nobody ever told them that they wouldn't believe that way.

Omal: correct.

Bob: for all I read about astrology, it's talking about all the various houses and what planets, I don't know, influence.

Omal: well it has had over four thousand years to be refined. You can trace the history back to the great sultans of Persia. And back before then to the founding of Baghdad. I believe the gentleman's name was Al-Mansur.

Russ: uh-huh, and basically they ruled their country......

Omal: yes.

Russ: with how the stars were aligned.

Omal: correct. It is more of a religion then than it is now. Now, it is more for fun although it is starting to become a religion again. What is this feline domesticus
up to?

Russ: I think he finds you comfortable. Well how is the gravitational effects work as far as astrology goes? I mean is that jest that you're talking about?

Omal: partly in jest.

Russ: or is there a basis of fact of what you're talking about?

Omal: a little, yes.

Russ: a little of facts. That's what I thought.

Bob: so we should should take it with a grain of salt?

Omal: yes. For example, let us say you are a Gemini and tomorrow you're going to be in an environment where it is necessary for you to work as a team member with members of your team that you have difficulty with. And that you have to differentiate between, let me think of a good cliché.......what you think you need but what you really need.

Russ: that's a good cliché.

Bob: so you're from Sirius also?

Omal: no, I am from a planet that unfortunately no longer exists. The star that it orbited has enlarged to engulf it so my home planet no longer exists.

Russ: you got off in time.

Omal: yes. It is something that does not happen overnight. We had plenty of warning. But here is a prediction for you that you can check. In approximately, I should estimate four hundred billion years from now, your planet will be in the same predicament as my home planet.

Mary Jo: we'll try to live that long.

Omal: please do so and report back to me. Okay, Russ, can you manifest for me? A penny.

Russ: yeah, let me dig in my pockets and see what I can come up with....

Omal: no cheating please.

Russ: okay, well I can definitely do so.

Omal: any other questions?

Mary Jo: what is up?

Omal: we're just trying to humble him.

Mary Jo: oh.

Russ: thank you.

Mary Jo: I have an interest in a lot of things from what we call the Bible. Are you familiar with it?

Omal: I have a little bit of knowledge on religion.

Mary Jo: okay. I'm more interested in looking at it from the perspective that many things in the Bible that need understanding might be explained with alien involvement as opposed to mysterious things. Religious, mystic involvement.

Omal: you could say that there is an involvement. Let me think. Abraham and Isaac, the ram? Is that correct? Where, correct me if I'm wrong, Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son Isaac?

Mary Jo: yeah.

Omal: and he found a ram and God said to sacrifice the ram instead of Isaac. How could you explain that other than with a little bit of intervention?

Mary Jo: well, with things like when Moses and his people were wandering through the desert and they were fed with the manna coming from heaven. Well, it would make more sense to me if it was supplied by someone else. Somebody from the sky.

Omal: a little gentle nudge would be a better way to describe it.

Mary Jo: or like the immaculate conception. Where Mary was supposed to have a virgin birth.

Omal: yes, I've had difficulty with that myself.

Mary Jo: well a possibility if.........

Omal: if you know something about artificial insemination.

Mary Jo: right. Is it sperm from somebody that can visit her and she wouldn't know it?

Omal: correct. Somebody that is a master geneticist. Know anybody Russ?

Russ: a couple people come to mind.

Omal: yes.

Mary Jo: now it would make me wonder that if these things were directly related to intervention and society came to learn that....

Omal: but how could they......

Mary Jo: but what an interesting thing it would be to go....

Omal: and how could they come to learn it? It is covered well. At a later time when it comes out it will be understood that what occurred was necessary for the evolution of the mind of your planet.

Mary Jo: okay, now here's another question related. Jesus himself......

Omal: possessed many gifts, correct.

Mary Jo: right.

Omal: such as being able to reactivate a heart.

Mary Jo: now how can people or somebody know that whatever is going to be born, it's going to be someone like Jesus.

Omal: a little bit of gene manipulation, a little bit of implanting. Using Mary as a host mother for something.

Mary Jo: okay, let's say you're able to create this being Jesus that has these abilities. Then how does Jesus turn into his, quote unquote, mission that's been already predicted?

Russ: isn't that training?

Omal: training to a certain extent. Somebody being aware of their past lives. Somebody being fed information on the side quietly.

Mary Jo: oh.

Russ: well for example, there is a lot of the missing years of Jesus in which we learn that he was raised a lot through those missing years by the Essenes. And the Essenes had of course a lot of knowledge of past lives.

Omal: Essenes to Enterprise.......

(everyone chuckles)

Russ: and a lot of knowledge of aliens and their work there.

Mary Jo: so I guess what I'm trying to get through here is my ideas that I've come up with aren't necessarily too far off?

Omal: we can speculate without getting into trouble. Occasionally, I have been a little bit loose mouthed. No, he is not up here at the moment.

Russ: oh good.

Omal: I have been a little loose mouthed in some of my statements in the past and it has got me reprimanded occasionally so, to overcome this, I speculate or state that I am speculating which in actual fact I could be telling the truth or I could be speculating.

Mary Jo: or we could say maybe we could phrase it like these theories are possible.

Omal: that would be a better way to....

Mary Jo: as opposed to a definite no.

Omal: correct. I do not like to say no. That is, as you said, not prop.......




(Omal returns as side two continues)

Omal: okay, back to religion.

Mary Jo: being in the position you're in can make a difference, how do you decide what you're going to do?

Omal: hmmmm......

Russ: I've explained the Council of twelve to them.

Omal: okay. We debate amongst the council members what we plan to do. We try to reach consensus on what would be best and then we run it through the computer so that we can have as many possibilities from the outcomes that we have. And then we try with a small group such as this and see what effect it would have. Then, when it is met up to various results that we want, then we put it into plan on a larger scale. We also try it on other places as well. You could say that one planet is a test bed for another planet. But as a rule, what works well on one planet may not work as well on another. We leave enough room so that we can change the course that we're heading for if necessary.

Russ: so we're sort of guinea pigs.

Omal: hmmm, yes and no. Guinea pigs is a mammal that lives in the high Andes?

Russ: yeah. They're used a lot in testing.

Omal: ahh, so that is where the term comes from.

Russ: right. They use a lot of experimental laboratory animals but in a good sense though because we are getting the benefits of this.

Omal: so, we put you through mazes?

Russ: you could say that, mental mazes.

Omal: I am amazed that I understand this. Sorry, we could go into puns all evening.

Russ: Michael, her husband, got to deal with Korton for an hour and a half last week. It was a little bit more serious than this.

Omal: ahh yes, I had heard of this from Korton.

Bob: we had lots of fun.

Omal: yes, it sounds like it.

Bob: so, how do you go about your selection? Or is there a selection process as far as with people? Well like you're using Mark as a channel.

Omal: yes. It is when you reach the stage where you can, then you are encouraged to do so.

Bob: how will we know?

Omal: you will be guided, you will be helped. Certain people will get kicked in the pants and said, "oy, get on with teaching people how to astral travel. Don't dodge the issue."

Bob: it's Russ?

Russ: hey, I'm not the teacher.

Bob: I see where it could be corrected.

Russ: well a lot of that is, I'm being guided and actually in a lot of ways, that's what...........I'm going to ask a couple questions on that point also.

Omal: okay.

Russ: basically, Bob and Mary Jo here will be part of a new class as far as what will be the class, all three of us.

Omal: okay.

Russ: and what we're going to be doing is working on some various techniques that I read in a book "Initiation" and I wanted to go through this real quick with you and see if you had any extra input or feelings on......

Omal: no blood oaths please.

Russ: all right, no blood oaths. I'll give that part up.

Bob: no sacrifices?

(There are chuckles all around)

Omal: I do not like the sight of red blood.

Russ: no way.

Omal: comes out that I don't like the sight of any color blood. I haven't experienced that for a long time.

Russ: all right now, first part is working with physical exercises and in that part it's using breathing exercises to calm down the body.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then directing the consciousness to various parts of the bodies. And, as you're working with each part, finally the entire body becomes conscious. And that way you're able to control and guide the smallest parts of our body and organs.

Omal: have you ever heard of Tai Chi?

Russ: oh yes I have as a matter of fact. I've practiced it a few times.

Omal: practice it again.

Russ: ahhh, very good way of doing that, thank you.

Omal: right.

What: I see, because Tai Chi would give you the body control with the breathing.

Omal: correct. Instead of trying to understand how you would do it, it is better to say have you ever done Tai Chi and go from there.

Russ: I see, okay. I can go for that. The next part is mind and soul training. What this is, is dictated dream pictures and these are interrelated experiences that are......

Omal: we have discussed this before. It is, "am I dreaming?"

Russ: no actually, this is a different part. What this is.........dream pictures is just what the book called it. What it is is basically describing a situation and being able to recreate the emotional states of that situation.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then be able to go through various states very quickly. Anger to happiness.

Omal: ahhh, yes. Listen to some of your great orators of your time.

Russ: oh, various speeches and stuff like that. "I have a dream."

Omal: yes, and you will feel the passion or act out various plays. One of the channeler's favorite ones, the battle scene from Henry V.

Russ: oh, Agincourt.

Omal: yes. And to imagine yourself as, as......

Russ: Henry?

Omal: thank you. And the feeling that he must be feeling to achieve it, imagine the feeling of a situation. For example, trying to think of one that would be relevant at the moment.

Russ: okay, I see what you're talking about. That would be maintaining the correct states necessary to achieve that control. The purpose of this is to be able to look at things in life that are happening to me on a day-to-day basis and being able to maintain your composure and calm throughout them.

Omal: correct. Kiri uses the energy from her coercion. When she makes eye contact with you, you will see inside her eyes the emotion that she wishes to portray.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: and that is partly how you coerce somebody is through eye contact. That you project in Kiri's case love.

Russ: okay. I get it. So in other words, this is a real good technique for learning about coercion too.

Omal: correct.

Russ: ahh, excellent. Okay, and then the last part is concentration exercises so thoughts don't run endlessly. And on this is in concentrating on one concept. For example, I am manifest destiny on that first state. I know, it's a little bit complicated. It's part of.......

Omal: do you know what manifest destiny is?

Russ: no.

Omal: manifest destiny led to genocide of your indigenous persons of this continent.

Russ: the Indians?

Omal: yes. The white man saying that he had the right to control this continent regardless of the indigenous population on this continent.

Russ: that's manifest destiny?

Omal: that was manifest destiny.

Russ: ewwww.

Omal: or an example of it.

Russ: pass.

Omal: if that is what I am reading into it.

Russ: right, yeah. I see what you're talking about. Okay, great. So something that works really well.

Omal: okay, next question.

Russ: guys?

Mary Jo: so is this what Kiri was talking about about coercion? I couldn't tell if she was serious or not. What is that?

Omal: it is being able to control somebody else's mind with your mind, getting them to do what you wish.

Mary Jo: and we can do that to somebody or do they realize what's happening?

Omal: quite frequently they do not realize what is happening. Coercion can be very tricky. It can have the effect of bouncing back on you if you do not know what you're doing. Kiri is a good coercer. Not only in the fact that she wouldn't do it to harm you or anybody else. She does it to protect you or would do it to protect you. Occasionally she will do it for her own means and entertainment but she would never do anything that would harm anybody. But coercion can be used to harm someone. A good way of explaining coercion better would be controlling somebody that has a desire to be self-destructive. By using your coercion, you can take that desire of self-destruction away but it only lasts whilst they're in your sphere of influence.

Russ: well for example, using it to assist you in achieving some kind of job that you wish to do. Sometimes, I've been able to use it as far as like to help get myself a little more understood in what I'm trying to get across. Something like that. It helps not to do it for personal needs because that kind of takes it to the wrong side but.......

Omal: not necessarily.

Russ: true.

Omal:if you're doing it in a job interview and you have family to support, then you are not only doing it for yourself to get that career or job, you're also doing it so that you can support your family.

Mary Jo: I mean I could see somebody suiciding and for the moment you're able to keep their mind away from that and give them an opportunity to save them for a while so they can work on their problem. But, for something say you get the job or something like that, doesn't that seem kind of..........?

Omal: well, it is a moral issue that you would have to solve yourself. We do not have such moral problems here. The best way to explain it is what do you feel comfortable with? If you feel that it is wrong then you do not do it. If it feels right, then you do it.

Mary Jo: say a thing like crime or anything like that?

Omal: what is crime?

Mary Jo: uummm, I mean......

Omal: it is what you perceive as a wrong action.

Mary Jo: can you have any kind of.......?

Omal: wrong action? We do not have such things as murder here or assault although occasionally people will try to rip people's arms off when they beat them. Sorry, that is a joke for Russ.

Russ: but yeah, people won't try to steal things from each other, there's no point in it.

Omal: no. You are able to enter any door unless somebody wishes privacy. But you are free to go wherever you wish on the base. There are certain secure areas that are secure for safety purposes. The last time we had an illness brought in, unfortunately we weren't quick enough to quarantine the area of individuals.

Russ: oh, right.

Omal: actually, it is very beneficial for you because your sightings of UFOs decreased dramatically for a period of two weeks of your counting.

Russ: yeah but I don't want to go through that again.

Omal: okay, next question. Or I can hand back to the mischievous one.

Russ: it's all I've got.

Omal: an example of coercion is with Tia this evening. She was coerced to be here.

Mary Jo: oh, by Kiri?

Omal: yes.

Mary Jo: well after the fact, what does Tia think of that?

Omal: she has her own means of getting her own back in fun.

Mary Jo: oh.

Omal: it was supposed to be to help her overcome her fear of people. She has a strong fear of people she does not know. She will tend to run and hide but it is necessary for her to overcome that fear.

Mary Jo: how do you try to help her?

Omal: by putting her in a situation where she has to overcome that fear.

Mary Jo: but once Kiri takes away control, all Tia has to do is run.

Omal: but Tia doesn't run that often. She will be present. Next time she may be present a little longer but it is a gradual thing for her. With Kiri's help she now has faced her fear and she can look at it again.

Russ: Bob?

Bob: question about past life regressions.

Omal: okay.

Bob: can any of us in past lives have a regression so we can evolve more?

Omal: yes. I won't disclose who although you have in the past, meaning everybody in this group, been higher and have descended. Slid back so that you have to relearn the lessons.

Mary Jo: why did we do that?

(Russ starts to laugh)

Omal: if I knew that, then I would be higher. No, but Mary Jo makes a very good point. If you knew why that happened, then you would be closer to being higher. So the answer to the problem is first of all find out when you were higher and why you became lower so that you may return to a higher level or even a higher level still.

Mary Jo: it's not a decision, it's not a choice. It's not a like I want to go back because this is a good life. It's, "gosh I messed up and now I want to go back".

Omal: yeah, exactly.

Mary Jo: which is where we are, I guess?

Omar yes. You are now starting to climb up.

(Everyone begins to chuckle)

Omal: it will become clear the reason why it is
necessary to start to climb again. It is a necessary drive for individuals to improve themselves.

Bob: so we've got a lot to look forward to?

Omal: exactly.

Bob: in the near future.

Omal: it is necessary to look back to learn the lessons of the past but it is also very necessary to look forward. Because somebody that does not look back has no future.

Mary Jo: so one of my ideas has just been shot. It seems like to me that once you regain the certain knowledge, I like to say once you know something it's hard to unknow. So it's sort of like once you learn certain things, it's hard to go back to old ways because, I don't know, knowledge does something to you.

Omal: yes it does.

Mary Jo: but in a sense, that's what has happened to us. Even though we knew things we still went back.

Omal: can you ride a bicycle? How long ago was it since you rode that bicycle?

Mary Jo: hmmm.

Omal: that is not a good analogy. Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?

Mary Jo: just as a passenger.

Omal: I'm looking for an analogy that I can use to explain how it operates.

Russ: how about rollerskates? Do you rollerskate?

Mary Jo: no, in the earliest part of my life.

Omal: you don't forget it but you forget how to do it over a period of time. For example, when you ride a bicycle, you get on, you ride it, no problem. But let's say after twenty years you haven't ridden your bicycle and you get back on, are you not very shaky on it?

Mary Jo: I could stay on a bicycle for about ten seconds.

Omal: and then you get it down together. Life is a little bit like that that you forget things that you once learned but it comes back gradually. Instead of taking five lifetimes to learn a lesson, you may learn that lesson after five lifetimes and then forget it and then it may take one or two lifetimes to relearn it. You seem to have a lot of felines around here.

Russ: the extra people is attracting them down.

Omal: this one has a bony surface.

Russ: skinny, little guy.

Omal: but he has lots of this stuff.

Russ: fur.

Omal: yes. Okay, next question? Okay, I will hand over to the playful one.

Russ: okay.

Omal: she seems keen on channeling again.

Russ: thank you Omal.

Omal: you're welcome. I'll be back.

(Kiri returns to take over the conversation to the end)

Russ: hi Kiri. Keep on channeling, huh? Or just having fun?

Kiri: I'm supposed to be the ring mistress thingy.

Russ: well you are the ring mistress. Joey left.

Kiri: no she didn't, she's right there.

Russ: oh, so she is.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: questions, no?

Russ: well we've been going over coercion there quite a bit and Omal happened to mention that you're good at it.

Kiri: what, good?

Russ: well okay.

Kiri: I'm the best.

Russ: that's it. Now then, he mentioned the fact that you see the emotions in which to send out with your eyes.

Kiri: uh-huh. Why do you think I've been working on opening these things down here?

Russ: is that what that trick was? So when I'm seeing your eyes looking for the emotion, I'm going to try to see what emotion you're trying to convey here.

Kiri: you feel the emotion.

Russ: oh yeah, because you're coercing.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how would I, if you were coercing somebody else for example, how would I know what emotion you trying to experience?

Kiri: if you look into my eyes you get caught as well, don't you?

Russ: I know. Yes?

Kiri: so.....

Russ: right, now then.......

Kiri: making you work. It is the size of the whole thing.

Russ: pupil.

Kiri: yeah. When somebody is in an aggressive mood it's bigger.

Russ: it is?

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, smaller.

Russ: that's what I thought.

Kiri: yeah, smaller. When somebody is in a contented mood or happy or glad to be with somebody, it tends to be bigger.

Russ: really, how come?

Kiri: because they're taking in more of a picture of what's around them.

Russ: oh, I see. But when you're angry, you're a little more.....

Kiri: focused.

Russ: focused.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, anyway, so coercion......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: is essentially taming of the emotions.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: taking them down to where you can manifest those emotions on-call. Wow.

Kiri: also another thing to do is to watch the cornea of somebody's eyes. When they tend to get aggressive, they tend to focus their eyes more, you see the wrinkles.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well now how did you learn to tame your emotions?

Kiri: practice. Having to confront them.

Russ: having to confront them?

Kiri: yes, being made angry.

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: come on dopey, come on. Come on, think. Doesn't work very well on you, does it? Especially when you know what's happening.

Russ: right. Okay.

Kiri: it's a fat cat.

Russ: it's a fat cat, yes it is. I hear we got a formal dinner coming up?

Kiri: uh-huh. Formal dinner?

Russ: formal dress.

Kiri: no, it's a costume party.

Russ: well Mark calls today formal dress.

Kiri: does he? I'll have to find out what he means about that.

Russ: okay, what are you coming as? Oh come on, just a hint, come on. All right, you know what Karra's coming as yet?.................well I've got to dress up in something.

Kiri: I can't tell you, it's got to be a surprise.

Russ: I'll ask Karra, she'll tell me. All right Kiri, well I'll come up with something. I can't wait to see what you're going to be dressed up as. I can only think of the possibilities.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Mary Jo: just for a kick?

Kiri: oh, it's just fun.

Russ: no it's not, Karra's kids just got born.

Kiri: party pooper.

Mary Jo: oh, you're having........

Russ: we're having a celebration.

Kiri: an excuse to party.

Russ: sometimes any excuse. Where are we having it at anyway?

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: we're having at your place?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: we're gonna open the big doors.

Russ: oh, going to spread out to the backyard too, huh?

Kiri: yeah, uh-huh.

Russ: hey great, going to have a barbecue?

Kiri: of course.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: all that hard work.

Russ: all right, good. Looking forward to it, excellent.

Kiri: anybody got any jokes? Any funny stories, anecdotes?

Russ: yeah, I do. If I think about it for two seconds I will anyway. Well you'll be back again, right?

Kiri: there's the only two of us. It was meant to be three, she chickened out.

Russ: she chickened out, did she?

Kiri: she's about to hit me in a few minutes.

Russ: oh, she's still hanging around?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: oh, cowering?

Kiri: uh-huh. Trying to keep away from me. Omal let me let the feline out of the transportation device.

Russ: cat out of the bag.

Mary Jo: oh.

Kiri: I tease.

Russ: what's my joke? Oh yes, I remember now. What is the official Olympic event of "Wayne's World"?

Kiri: fill me in.

Russ: "Wayne's World", the thing we watched lately?

Kiri: yeah, I know.

Russ: the video that we've been going on about.

Kiri: "Wayne's World", "Wayne's World". Excellent, party on Garth.

Russ: you got it.

Kiri: is this the real life?

Russ: is this just fantasy?

Kiri: did you find Bugs Bunny attractive when he dressed up as a girl rabbit?

Russ: right, yeah, yeah. That's the one.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so what's the official Olympic event for ""Wayne's World""?

Kiri: I don't know.

Russ: hurling.

Kiri: that's the game where you..........that's terrible.

Russ: I know it's terrible. It's the only joke, you asked me for joke, it's the only one I made up myself. I didn't say it was good.

Kiri: anybody else got any jokes?

Russ: better jokes?

Mary Jo: I have some kids stories but you wouldn't find them funny. You probably have good kids stories too, don't you Kiri?

Kiri: like Alex throwing up on my brand-new skirt?

Russ: ohhh, that would be a good one.

Kiri: I just fed him too much. And there's the one with the little cabbages, feeding them to Alex.

Russ: oh, the Brussels sprouts.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: doesn't like them.

Kiri: no. There is the one where he learned about water. Can't get him on a large quantity of water in a small vessel no matter how much you try.

Russ: he's only ten months old, I mean.........

Kiri: then there's the fire accident.

Russ: oh yeah, the fire accident, right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he was trying to set things all over on fire. He learned all about how to manifest fire.

Mary Jo: oh dear.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: he was taught how to not manifest fire, or control it better.

Kiri: yeah. Isn't there some entertainment where they go on about fire, fire?

Russ: Beavis and Butthead, yes. I know that you guys actually have that recorded up on Hades Base.

(Russ does his best Butthead impersonation)

Mary Jo: do you have entertainment? Artist and things like....

Russ: yeah, Kiri.

Kiri: we are all artists here.

Mary Jo: oh.

Kiri: we have wandering minstrels. We have people that get together and they will perform things for other people in their spare time. We don't have your entertainment where you sit down in front of a square object and sit and watch flickering pictures.

Bob: oh.

Kiri: we have interactive things.

Mary Jo: such as?

Russ: holograms.

Kiri: virtual reality type thing.

Mary Jo: are you familiar with our "Star Trek",
our show "Star Trek?"

Kiri: I've heard about it.

Russ: it's real similar.

Mary Jo: next generation? They have it. So tell us about your interaction?

Kiri: Tia would be the best bet to tell actually.

(Everyone breaks out laughing)

Kiri: I'll try to relate it because I did go down there with her the other day and she likes to hunt and she hunts using her own skill and cunning without any weapons. And it's a team sport you could say. And it's done with holograms, isn't it? We don't like to kill things up here, very wasteful. Besides, it's quite dangerous apparently. It's very hard to distinguish it from what is real and what is being created by projection. The only thing is that sometimes the computer tends to lag and we'll sort of sink into the neck of whatever you're grabbing ahold of.

Mary Jo: so you don't actually grab the.....

Kiri: it's a force field that's generated in that area.

Mary Jo: oh, so it's not a actual physical object, it's that it feels like it.

Kiri: that's correct, it feels like it. Sometimes the computer will learn and your hand will tingle up here as you go to grab ahold of something because it sinks in through the shape and then the energy field cuts in and forces your hand back out. It tingles in whatever part has sunken in.

Mary Jo: hmm.

Kiri: has he been telling you about my sordid past?

Russ: no, I haven't touched upon that.

Kiri: I'll go all red and embarrassed. Well that killed that conversation because I'm not telling.

Russ: well I ain't saying nothing, it's your sordid past.

Mary Jo: well Bob and I both have things in our past.

Russ: well there you go, yeah.

Kiri: I........I'm not gonna say anything else apart from I was naughty when I was little, mischievous. What's the expression?

Russ: when you were little?

Kiri: I wasn't a juvenile delinquent?

Russ: right.

Kiri: I wasn't that, I was just very mischievous and playful. Get into lots of trouble.

Russ: ahh.

Kiri: any more questions?

Russ: guys? I've got some of mine until the tape runs out which at this point is five minutes. So it's only about five minutes to kill.

Kiri: okay. I've been teaching him how to play pattycake.

Russ: really?

Kiri: yeah, it's fun. Especially when he goes......

(Kiri begins to clap)

Kiri: and he's meant to go. He goes. And he gets all angry because he doesn't get it right. That actually helps me with my hand eye coordination.

Russ: all right.

Mary Jo: do your children, do you live together as a family like we do?

Kiri: yeah, we have a crèche that we can leave our children at when we're working.

Mary Jo: so like our day care center you call a crèche?

Kiri: yeah, our children can stay there from as little as ten minutes to two or three days. Some even longer. For example, I'll go down there and I'll look after my only one and look after maybe six or seven other children. Sit down there and have dinner with them or breakfast or whatever. Play with them, teach them things, get them dressed ready to go off back to their parents or whatever. Big sis took care of me when I was little.

Russ: oh. By the way, has Tanaka heard about the births yet?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: Tanaka's the father of Karra and Kiri on Sirius.

Kiri: they know all about them, about Tanaka's family tree.

Russ: right.

Kiri: his sensible daughter and his......

Russ: black sheep.

Kiri: I'm not a black sheep. I don't go baa. I've been barred from bars. I mean, if I wanted to sit at a formal function in a bikini, I would.

Bob: so, the climate's controlled?

Kiri: we only have a couple places that have climates. The rest is set at a nice, comfortable 85°.

Bob: so do you have day and night?

Kiri: yeah, it mimics in the rotation of the planet we're on. It's very handy actually because it helps to keep the body in rhythm you see. These people that work odd hours, night times.....

Mary Jo: yeah.

Kiri: their body rhythms get thrown off, you see. But if they were to fool themselves into thinking that whilst they were working it was daytime instead of it's dark outside, then their body would get into the rhythm that would be best for them.

Mary Jo: how could you fool yourself?

Kiri: by being subjected to what appears to be by using lights and things.

Russ: so, did you get your questions answered that you had?

Mary Jo: I mean you know, you could go on and on and on.

Kiri: but that's what it's meant to be. Always leave them hanging, that's what dad says.

Russ: Tanaka would say that.

Kiri: leave them hanging so they come back for more.

Russ: yes.

Mary Jo: we'd like to come back, well I'd like come back. It's just finding the opportunity.

Kiri: yeah, finding the opportunity is right then.

Russ: well, that's all I've got darling. So unless you can think of anything that's clever.

Kiri: oh, here's a quick joke. There's a plane from the United Nations, right? Stop me if you've heard it...........and it's flying out over the Atlantic. And it has engine problems and the Captain comes on the announcement system and says, "we've got a few problems, we need to lighten the aircraft". So they get together and they throw out all the baggage. So, things get bad. The other engine quits out, it's just flying on two engines so they need to lighten the load more. So they heave out all the luggage and then the third engine quit so they're flying on one engine. And the captain comes on the announcement system and says, "sorry, we've got to lighten the load again, we're going to have to ask people to make the ultimate sacrifice". The man from France steps up and he goes, "Long live France"and jumped out. And then the man from the United Kingdom?

Russ: Britain.

Kiri: Britain, steps up and goes, "God save the Queen" and he jumps............


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