Archivist Notes: Welcome to a continuation of the Genesis tapes, those tapes recorded when we still had only a portable tape recorder with an extended mic. We went professional and enlisted the help of people trained in how to get the best out of such recordings. This is the first of those and you'll see immediately that it was money well spent. Despite those improvements from the first early tapes, we encourage the listener to follow the transcript to better understand what is being said when the sound is at points that are hard to hear. The other items to note in this channeling session are that Tia comes from a third dimensional world and is still third dimensional herself so wars on her planet were still in the history of their race. Where Kiri talks about Carrie's healing, that is a third dimensional guest who moved back East that had her cancer healed through a meta-concert from the base. She's been a contributor to the archives from the channeling sessions where we would call her once the channeling session had started. Our notes for Korton's time channeling is that as head of Ashtar Command's communication section, his contributions to the archives on communication is extensive. His time on sides one and two would be helpful information for a person's work, school, or a mass gathering of people. With Karra, our notes from her time channeling revolve around Minerva, one of Mark and Tia's triplet daughters. She, like her mother, is descended from cats and had also started to develop her manifesting skill while still practically an infant. Where she turns herself into a cat on Karra's lap, it is her cat form she went to out of habit. Also, this was a point where I was doing flight training with Karra's son, Nazreal. He would do search and rescue patrols while I would study the background duties while in my astral form. Marta that Karra mentions is Nazreal's bond mate. Finally, with Tia, it is another of her triplets she is talking about when she mentions Athena who was already able to travel with her mother when she went on astral travel trips. Those are all the notes we have to help clarify a few things about this session. Now, onto a full summary of what was said.   

   Tia gets things started on an auspicious night where O.J. Simpson had been in the back of a white Ford Bronco earlier in the day. Despite those dramatic events, Tia was in a good mood as she got the channeling session going. The question on the table we wrestle with is the energy in the ground in places where warfare or death have taken place. It's part of an underlying question of being able to tune in to the energy of a place upon arrival. That gets us to Kiri's time a speaker and her review of a coercion practice I had tried recently. It also got us to a continuation of a subject we had been studying concerning the combination of a healer and a coercer working in conjunction just as we had seen Kiri and Karra do in prior channeling sessions. For this part of the lesson, we focus on the coercer's role of calming the person being healed or directing them listen to the healer. The results had been seen in a friend of ours that had been healed of cancer with the base's help but we had run into resistance when it came to healing Mark's knee. We were gaining understanding of why that was with Kiri's help. We end there as far as her time on so that the special guest speaker could take her place which for this night was the head of communications for Ashtar Command, Korton. We are honored to have him as one of the great masters in speaking and communication because he goes into depth about how to do it properly. We are doubly honored because he gives a dissertation that seems to stitch together his previous talks on the subject but this is the most complete and earliest of them all. He focuses on delivery and giving certain words more emphasis while explaining why all of this is important. We move onto a discussion on the bards of England and their roles in our society today. He explains how they were able to bring knowledge to those unable to read with their songs of the land. Korton points out, as we get to the end of the side, that the myths and legends of today had their beginning in the actual events that were taking place in that far off time.

   We next bring the conversation back to the present day on side two as Korton lets us know how the news is handled in a much different way throughout Ashtar Command. Their way of parts of the news getting to only those who need those parts works exclusively on a higher dimension. Used down here, it would cut down from the barrage of information today's new services provide on a steady basis but wouldn't satisfy everyone. That brings up the topic of how the stories of old could be updated to bring them into a new era with new fans. Using an example of Robinson Caruso, he shows how that has been updated in various incarnations since it was written. We end with the revelation that Kiri and Tia rehearse what they plan to say prior to each channeling session. Tia confirms that fact in the midst of transitioning speakers over to Karra who then follows up on her sister's topic of getting to the roots of an ailment. To better illustrate what she is talking about, she reminds me of our friend Carrie whose melanoma cancer was healed through the help of a base meta-concert. That, along with a bad case of stress, had been at the heart of some problems Karra was helping her through at the time. We next move onto "Star Wars" and the rite of passage that one can experience such as Luke had in the swamps of Dagobah. We're interrupted by one of Tia and Mark's triplets manifesting herself into a cat and then jumping onto Karra's lap while she was channeling. She ends her time talking by discussing the decision I had made to go back to flight training with her son and his bond mate during my trips to the base. It consisted of helping with their search and rescue work they did while I was still in astral form. Tia replaces Karra to run out the tape and as usual we get some great topics covered in the time remaining. Returning to "The Empire Strikes Back", I ask our PK expert about the ability to feel an object from afar. Tia's advice is a complete belief in one's ability to make the object move to your desire. Yoda's efforts with Luke come to mind immediately. From there we trade puns before ending the channeling session on a question about traveling through the Van Allen belt in the astral form. She confirms there are energies in it that can affect the journey. This session was emblematic of the tapes to come and how we now get into the early days of the training when things were very informative. 

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra
                                     

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SIDE ONE


(Tia, our resident ring mistress, gets the night started)



Russ: I welcome you here and say hi and howdy and......

Tia: it's Howdy Doody.

Russ: you betcha. It's Howdy Doody time with Tia.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay. So, this evening's entertainment is all about Tia.

Tia: ahh, I'm the star, be a star.

Russ: absolutely. Was Korton able to make it?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: right.

Tia: okay........

Russ: okay.

Tia: what do you want to know? How are you feeling physically?

Russ: I've got my throat back.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: which is nice and, did Mark drink any coffee after he left?

Tia: no.

Russ: he didn't? So that worked.

Tia: well he was busy, they kept him busy in the afternoon I think. I didn't get much out of him, on broadcasting.

Russ: I assume you know what I'm talking about.

Tia: yeah, coercion.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: I don't think that had anything to do with it actually, he was pretty swamped with work.

Russ: now, in certain parts of the world it's a known fact that the energy that is built up in those areas such as mystic shrines, Celtic circles....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and so on. Now, does this also holds true with battlefields?

Tia: yes.

Russ: it does?

Tia: very much so.

Russ: oh.

Tia: I know that because on my home planet.........I'll tell you a little story, and it doesn't concern me, it concerns two lovers that were out camping. And they were camping on an old battlefield and they were woken up in the middle of the night by this huge battle they could actually see the participants and all the slaying and the killing going on around them and they were scared. And in the morning they woke up and there was nothing there, it was beautiful, green fields and trees and the odd spear point sticking out. That was it.

Russ: interesting. So there it's no longer a battle there and there could be one again.

Tia: oh I don't know. Maybe if there was a war that broke out it could be used again because there's a densely wooded area on one side that turns into a swamp and on the other side of it there's huge cliffs and it's a perfect invasion route.

Russ: oh, well who would be battling then? Is there two opposite groups on the planet?

Tia: there were. Well there's many at one time.

Russ: right.

Tia: it was an old and ancient battlefield.

Russ: none of any current.....

Tia: no, no, no, nope.

Russ: harmonious world?

Tia: there are factions that do from time to time try to take over but most of it is political, occasionally they fight.

Russ: so would you say politically and sociologically Durondedunns are more advanced than Earth?

Tia: yeah. We have a monarch that rules the planet. Doesn't rule the stars though. Not the stars, the satellites. They're independent, they have their own monarchs, brother kings and queens.

Russ: so in other words, Durondedunn is essentially what the future Earth could be?

Tia: possibly, possibly.

Russ: okay. Now back to the theory on how battlefields maintain their energy levels and their......

Tia: oh sorry, I was just adjusting myself.

Russ: no problem.

Tia: something about battlefields maintaining their energy, carry on.

Russ: now, we come to the Peninsula of Korea, Vietnam.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Japan and China, all those areas that I mentioned have all had wars upon them.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and it would seem like in that area of the world in particular, that the energies surrounding them would be quite concentrated almost.

Tia: no more than other parts of your planet.

Russ: well......

Tia: what about the Little Big Horn or the Ardennes. That whole entire area if you look at it. The Ardennes area, you've got the battle of Waterloo, Agincourt, Cressy, Serdun, (Verdun?) oh, that little village place.......nevermind. But you've got so many battlefields going on there that they're all over the place. In fact, one battlefield will often have another battlefield underneath it and another one on top.

Russ: hmm. So essentially places for even more spiritually revived or more calm places would be places where battles have not been fought.

Tia: not necessarily.

Russ: how so?

Tia: because of the energy. The energy, it's not negative or positive, it's just lots of different types of energy all heaped into one place. If you take some battle......a religious battle between two religious forces....

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: there's a religious energy there, the spiritual energy. Because each side believed in who they were fighting for and what reason and that their reason was better than the reason of the people they were fighting against.

Russ: but if someone is suffering with a mortal wound and is laying there dying and you multiply this by a hundred, you have an energy going into the earth that no matter how religious it is, if he prayed to their gods for relief before he died, there's still that pain-and-suffering.....

Tia: what about where your train crashed last year? What about where there was a mass pileup on the motorway and people died? What about in your towns where there's earthquakes?

Russ: right, but these are places I wouldn't want to go for a metaphysical retreat.

Tia: no, but they're just places. The energy's there, the energy's all around you.

Russ: but I'm looking at the point of say Tahoe for example.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with its beauty plus the fact that no wars have been fought on it and it's just real peaceful like Sedona and places like that.

Tia: what about the Donner party?

Russ: North Shore.

Tia: still in this area. What about the people that died up on the mountain? There's lots of history to this place. You know so little about it.

Russ: well can you tell in a sense the history of a place when you get to it?

Tia: yes and no, you have to be in tune with it. "Isn't that so beautiful, hmmm?"

Russ: so being in tune with it, you need to find the best place to sit back and relax and meditate and make it home....

Tia: yeah.

Russ: part of a retreat.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm. So essentially what you're looking for is a space to create a space.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and to find that, you have to be able to be in tune with your environment.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, good. Maybe being as then a person descended from cats, you can give me a hint or two on a good way to do this.

Tia: just open your mind up and feel the energies around you. Feel what type of energy it is.

Russ: okay. Well, perhaps then you wouldn't mind telling me a little bit on working with etheric PK.

Tia: do we have time or I could put somebody in and we can save it for when I'm back?

Russ: okay, let's do it that way.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, oh I've got to make him move.

(Ed. note: a house cat on the futon Mark was laying on)

Russ: either that or put your legs over top of.....

Tia: oh well. Hey, come back Buster. Bet you can't guess my name.

Russ: Tia?

Tia: no.

Russ: what?

Tia: Rumpelstiltskin. I'll be back.

Russ: okay.

---

(Kiri takes her turn at channeling through Mark)



Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo dude.

Russ: you're the serious one then?

Kiri: apparently compared to Tia I am.

Russ: that's a nice change of pace to say the least.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well good my dear.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: how are you doing?

Kiri: oh excellent, excellent dude, excellent.

Russ: good, I'm glad to hear that.

Kiri: got some questions for me?

Russ: of course.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: I'm going to start off a little bit on this morning's coercion I attempted by myself.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm not sure if you were monitoring or not.

Kiri: no I wasn't but I did get informed by big sis.

Russ: okay, good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now.........what?

Kiri: nevermind.

Russ: okay. Success, failure?

Kiri: no effect.

Russ: no effect?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. So, improvements.

Kiri: improvements. More direct eye contact.

Russ: that's a little bit tough.

Kiri: you've got to remember that Mark does tend to bounce up and down quite a bit anyway and making eye contact is hard. But, yeah, that is what you've got to do.

Russ: okay, how do you manage to keep eye contact? I mean it's only just every........

Kiri: get his attention.

Russ: well I tried that and that lasted all of a second.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: as you should know.

Kiri: he can be pretty difficult sometimes. Sorry, this is..........hold on.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that's better.

Russ: what happened?

Kiri: oh.......

Russ: for Mark's benefit.

Kiri: for Mark's benefit, okay. Tia had somehow got her underwear into a wedgy and she was trying to take off her skirt without revealing that she had a wedgy so she was trying to unwedgy herself and take her skirt off at the same time.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: because her skirt had a big stain on it, a tea stain.

Russ: so she was trying to figure this one out........

Kiri: yeah, there was a big stain right down the side.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: apparently she spilled a cup tea and she hadn't noticed.

Russ: now, I want to go into coercion with healing part two.

Kiri: okay, it's a long time since we've done that, isn't it?

Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: well about two months but being as I haven't had anybody to work on lately is.......

Kiri: yeah, what's it? Last time we did it, it was on Carrie wasn't it?

Russ: well also was using coercion to say, "I'll heal, heal".

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: you remember that, that was part one.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: part two now is applying coercion to the inner problems or the cause of what's actually really the problems that are happening. Because what we were working on before I believe was trying to work on the symptoms......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: instead of the cause.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and so what I want to get on tonight a little bit was coercion and assessing how to determine the causes and then using them to bring about a change in those causes.

Kiri: hmmmmm.

Russ: what?

Kiri: I don't tend to do much of that. I have done some but you've got me at a disadvantage.

Russ: that's weird.

Kiri: uh-huh. See, I'm not really a healer. We experiment with it, Karra and myself, because we have a nice, close rapport.

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: and normally what you would have is a healer and a coercer.

Russ: right.

Kiri: but not a healer coercer.

Russ: but if I ask Karra this she'll just say, "I'm not really a coercer".

Kiri: yeah, I know, it's kind of.........

(Russ starts laughing pretty hard at that one)

Kiri: you've got to work in a rapport with a coercer that has knowledge to heal.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: you see you have to work very closely in a rapport between a healer and a coercer. And the coercer has to have some knowledge to be able to analyze what they're doing.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: it's kind of a meta-concert.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: yeah. So how you're working is the coercer is dealing with making the patient feel good, making the patient forget about the ailment and getting them to focus their energy to start healing. Whereas the healer manipulates the energy that's been put in place by the coercer who has programmed the patient to channel the energy to that area. For example, if we had a problem with the knee........which we do, this one here lets say.......what we would need to do is to get the patient here to supply energy from here, the brain, down to the leg.

Russ: right.

Kiri: they would do that by visualizing a string of white energy pouring down from being sucked in from the top of their chakra down into their leg.

Russ: I see.

Kiri: and also channeling energy up. And what my job would be is to focus the energies and, "focus, focus, focus" and have the patient focus the energy on the desired area which would be directed by the healer.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and the healer then manipulates the energy to do the work necessary.

Russ: I see. But now at that same point they're still working on symptoms.

Kiri: yes.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: but the cause sometimes is so obscure it's difficult to find. It's easy enough to find when it's cancer of the lungs, you know what the cause is of that..........

Russ: sure.

Kiri: or possibly. You know there are other things that can cause cancer of the lung?

Russ: hmm, secondary smoke.....

Kiri: that's one thing.

Russ: pollution.

Kiri: pollution?

Russ: and so forth, sure.

Kiri: so.......and there's nothing you can do about the pollution apart from move to somewhere where there isn't.

Russ: tropics.

Kiri: uh-huh, like there is here.

Russ: true.

Kiri: so, that, you can't really address that problem.

Russ: well here's the point that I'm trying to make and in fact it concerns with Mark's knee.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: as you remember his past life experience that we did the regression on.

Kiri: oh yeah.

Russ: and what happened to his knee in the past.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it was severely injured.

Kiri: I think more than severely injured.

Russ: well yeah, taken off but I mean essentially very badly hurt.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and what could be the cause of his problems with his knee, even though they were physical in nature......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: could also be that they had a past life significance that's been playing itself out in this life?

Kiri: possibly, possibly. In both his lives he has military experience and it's possible that he is seeking to survive one military experience, because he would've been probably about about the same age. Possible, maybe not, it doesn't matter. But because he didn't survive one and he survived this one, he can go on to finish up what loose ends he had.

Russ: hmm. But then the same thing practically happens.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: a bullet cuts short his....

Kiri: career.

Russ: military career. Now, the coincidences of this of course start to hit you right away when you look at this in a past life view. And how would you then go about treating this? Because in one place you have a person who actually expects the need to be injured due to a past life in which he was.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so to get him to be able to work upon healing in this life, he'd have to want to be healed and that is the root of our problem that we come to so far is the fact he hasn't the desire to have it healed or at least he's never spoken up on his desire to have it healed.

Kiri: hmm, I think he is aware that.......how did Kornas put it? The light that burns so bright only lasts half as long.

(Ed. note: Kornas is the base geneticist that also seventh dimensional and an expert in all healing)

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: and if you take away the necessary drive, the carrot, right? Is he going to be pursuing his abilities as hard?

Russ: right. Okay, for example, Carrie's skin cancer.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: could it be possible that this is possibly something that is carried over from a previous life also......

Kiri: I doubt it very much.

Russ: like leprosy or something?

Kiri: I doubt it.

Russ: okay, but essentially there could be a root cause to each of these things.

Kiri: possibly yes, possibly.

Russ: and so in summary, it's possible then to get to the real cause of a person's problem if you want to spend the time and effort to do so.

Kiri: possibly. To summarize the summary, past lives affect the present. To summarize the summary of the summary, what we do affects us now and tomorrow. To summarize the summary of the summary of the summary, people are a problem.

Russ: okay, fair enough. I'll take your wording on that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but....

Kiri: to summarize the summary of the summary of the summary, next question please.

Russ: okay so, then for coercion, when a person is being worked on through your coercion......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: you essentially have an ability then to go ahead and put them into a light trance possibly.

Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, well like we did to Carrie.

Russ: how'd you do that to Carrie?

Kiri: by getting her to listen to the voice.

Russ: what voice?

Kiri: our voices.

Russ: oh, your voices?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: well that's what I'm talking about.

Kiri: uh-huh. When she's having a healing session, right? All she hears is Karra's voice and maybe sometimes yours and my voice. But normally it's Karra's voice that she's focused on. Karra makes her laugh, Karra makes her feel happy, Karra brings her down, Karra takes her back up and she's really on a tight leash with Karra and I'm just doing the coercive energy thing.

Russ: right. Okay now, with that then, you're using both then to achieve a control over the patient.

Kiri: yes. It also helps if you're telepathically linked to your assistant or the coercer. Or the healer if you're doing the coercing.

Russ: excellent.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay, all right. And now, with that then, you come across the slight problem of how to go ahead and bring that into the perspective of somebody who's very open and balanced around like Mark and you.

Kiri: sorry, bringing it into focus? Does the victim want to be healed and what will they lose if they are healed if it's a long?.....something they can get along without, like legs. They're very important but you can get along without them.

Russ: so the question is, what do they want to do?

Kiri: yes, exactly.

Russ: now if you don't want to ask this, don't bother healing.

Kiri: hmmm.......sometimes they will come to you later on if they know you're a healer. A person will go, "nah, I'm all right, I'm tough". Or what would he say, "I'm tough, I'm British, I can handle it". Maybe in five years he can't and then he needs your help.

Russ: I'll do what I can before it's too late.

Kiri: it will alleviate the pain but it's always too late. The moral the story is, don't get in a situation in the first place.

Russ: absolutely. Okay, well, that's all I got for now my dear.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I'll let you go anyway.

Kiri: I'll go and sit on the edge and wait for Tia.

Russ: okay.

---

(Tia steps in for the speaker transition)


(Tia says something in Durondedunn but it isn't the word for hi)

Russ: due to the fact I know Omal's got a busy schedule, we'll hold off on keycode questions till after we get through the heavyweights.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay.

Tia: bye.

Russ: bye.

---

(We're honored to have Korton stepping in for Omal)



Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ, and how are you functioning?

Russ: functioning very well. Well within specified parameters anyway.

Korton: that is good. Okay, let us proceed with due haste and with skill and bated breath for our discussion and dissertation on communication.

Russ: okay.

Korton: okay, the function of communication is to be understood, this is indisputable.

Russ: absolutely.

Korton: using the correct words in their correct context is just as important as pronouncing each syllable correctly to be understood. Blurring of words is to be avoided. The purpose of using your voice is to be able to relay information to answer questions.

Russ: hmm.

Korton: another function of communication is to be able to extract information from your subject by using your communication skills to set up questions that they will answer or that they will think about and then come back and discuss with you at a later time what you had said. The purposes of discussion is to relay information from one individual to another, to exchange ideas and therefore to enlarge your capacity of memory and reasoning. Pronunciation as I have stated is very important. Using words wrongly or in the wrong context is just as bad as bad pronunciation. If you wish to be looked upon as somebody that is skilled in communication, you have to be able to relay information precisely, clearly, and to the point. If you discuss things in a roundabout sort of way, it becomes A, boring, B, the person forgets what you were discussing originally and C, a waste of your time and their time. So, communication's primary function is to relay information and to retrieve information.

Russ: hmmm. What about the build up? I mean, instead of getting right to the point, isn't there sometimes where you need to build up to a point?

Korton: yes, there is certain situations that it is necessary to appear to procrastinate and delay. To build up as you put it.

Russ: now oftentimes to achieve correct pronunciation and to not blur your words, you have to prepare your sentences before saying them and sometimes that's the biggest problem is how to find space between sentences to do so.

Korton: listen to what I am saying and how I say these things. To reiterate, it is necessary to be patient, to use information, to spread information.

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: now, looking at that sentence that I have just spoken, it is a very irrelevant sentence, what did you notice?

Russ: I noticed you slowed down your delivery.....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and at that point you were able to come up with the proper pronunciation as each word came to be used.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and then finally when it came out, it was easy to understand because you had not only slowed, you gave the person time to grasp what it was you were saying.

Korton: you also missed something of importance.

Russ: what?

Korton: there was a pause between each sentence.

Russ: oh, so that would be part of the slowing down process.

Korton: yes. When you communicate, it is necessary to put emphasis on certain words. This is so that people can understand the importance of what you're saying. And by doing this, it emphasizes the words and the point that you are trying to get home.

Russ: hmm.

Korton: you see between each sentence there was a pause.

Russ: okay.

Korton: it says here ends the sentence, next sentence.

Russ: and then I noticed that your wording was such that some were more....

Korton: yes.

Russ: worded better, more emphasis on a word or two. And so that would be some of the keys to bringing about your desired result.

Korton: exactly, result.

Russ: for example, I was speaking with Kiri on being able to talk to somebody and put them into a receptive mode.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and a lot of that would be a little bit slower delivery...

Korton: yes.

Russ: pause between sentences and emphasis on words.

Korton: correct.

Russ: instead of rushing through your words like this so you can't understand them.

Korton: like Kiri does.

(Russ starts laughing)

Korton: like Kiri does but you can understand her well.

Russ: right.

Korton: but when you are talking to a group, it is necessary to slow down your speech. Or when you are talking to an individual that you wish to understand or for them to understand what you are saying and what you are driving at, then it is necessary to slow down.

Russ: hmm. So in other words, the key here is to pay more attention to how your sentences are presented instead of more of what you're saying.

Korton: correct. Presentation is as you might say 50% of the award.......

Russ: indeed.

Korton: or 50% of the goal. If you present something well, a person will think that you are an eloquent talker, that you know what you are saying. If you take a look at your famous politicians, how do they talk? Slowly, precisely, and mostly to the point.

Russ: even if they're not saying anything, they sure sound like they're saying something.

Korton: yes.

Russ: uh-huh, I see.

Korton: that is how you get somebody's attention is you talk precisely, slowly, and to the point.

Russ: hmm. And so when you're doing that, that gives you time to come up with a better presentation of what you're going to say. Sometimes instead of saying something in haste, you can give a better word for it that will mean more by slowing down a bit.

Korton: actions in haste repent at leisure.

Russ: hmm, absolutely, that comes across much better.

Korton: exactly.

Russ: I see. So, slowing down....

Korton: yes.

Russ: taking time and.....

Korton: when I communicate most the time, I talk in a normal mode of speech but when I am teaching, as now, it is necessary to slow down to emphasize the point. When I'm addressing members of the Council, it is again necessary for me to slow down.

Russ: I see. Okay, so it's not all the time that you watch yourself.

Korton: no.

Russ: there's a time and place for everything.

Korton: oh certainly. I can be very irreverent.

Russ: oh yes, I've noticed that which reminds me, how is your cat?

Korton: my cat is functioning fine. It has become well-trained.

Russ: well good to hear. I remember last time we talked you were still working with it.

Korton: yes.

Russ: you don't speak to your cat like this do you?

Korton: sometimes. It helps for me to rehearse what I am addressing members of the higher Council.

(Ed. note: The Council of Twelve which is led by Sananda and Ashtar)

Russ: oh I see, and then discuss it with your cat.

Korton: yes, which is the perfect audience.

Russ: does the cat like comprehend anything you say?

Korton: sometimes. It will sit there patiently on the edge of my desk in its little rest area on my desk, it has several.

Russ: ahh.

Korton: and it will sit upright and it will look at me, head inclined to one side and appear to listen with sheer rapture that it is totally involved in what I am saying. And to a certain extent it understands what I say.

Russ: and plus you're giving it attention which it likes.

Korton: yes. All felines appear to enjoy attention. Isn't that so Ganja?

(Ed. note: one of the house cats mentioned frequently in the archives)

Russ: he's enjoying just laying there.

Korton: yes.

Russ: okay, I understand. One of the things I wanted to get in with you was historical speakers who have played an important role in our society and one part of that would be the bards of England.

Korton: yes.

Russ: and the fact that then when there were nothing as far as books that were widely distributed, you had people who would go around and actually have songs and poems and stories......

Korton: wandering minstrels.

Russ: right. And they played an important part in the teaching of the young and old all the way through. Because most people would not have seen news from other lands or other places unless a bard would come through with their stories.

Korton: there were wandering troops that did wander from town to town relaying information.

Russ: hmm, right. Now in their manner of speaking, they used ways that could be best described as captivating.

Korton: yes. You use the medium which is for understanding at the time. It is no good giving somebody that is illiterate a newspaper to read.

Russ: right.

Korton: you tell them the news. And that is what the problem was with some of these people or most were illiterate so the function of the bards was to relay information in song. And it was done so so they could remember.

Russ: ahh, I see. So in other words, they make up a song, they would just put the events that were relevant to the day into the song.

Korton: correct.

Russ: hmm.

Korton: frequently one troop would get together with another troop and they would sing the songs that they had which was based on the goings-on in the area that they had just came from and they would exchange ideas and songs.

Russ: hmm, I see. And then a lot of that has come through in our life now as our fairytales.

Korton: no, more along the lines of myths and legends.

Russ: I see.

Korton: in myths, there is a trace of truth. In legends, it is old history that is blended with fiction and fantasy.

Russ: now do you see that our current bards of today, let's say those who present our news, have that same ability to captivate and to pass along information?

Korton: no.

Russ: oh. So what would be needed then to be able to bring that about?


            
SIDE ONE ENDS

SIDE TWO


(Korton is back picking up from where he left off)


Russ: okay.

Korton: to be crisp and eloquent in how they speak. To be precise, to avoid irreverence, to avoid issues that are repetitive and dull. In your life today, people are on the go, they want the information now, they want it quickly. To make a story that is five minutes long is a waste of time.

Russ: well I noticed for example this latest episode with one of our sports hero's down here, O.J. Simpson, the news was presented as it came in. A lot of it was wrong, a lot of it was just rumors that they put out as such. And as so, people were getting the wrong impression throughout the entire episode.

Korton: which gives more harm and danger to the news people.......

Russ: right.

Korton: the bards of the day.

Russ: and so how could that have been presented in a better way, waiting for more information?

Korton: yes, waiting for more information.

Russ: we're not a very patient society.

Korton: patience is a very important virtue.

Russ: uh-huh. Well is news, for example, happenings that happen throughout Ashtar Command handled in a much different way then?

Korton: yes.

Russ: in other words, you get all the information first before it's presented and then present it in a very elegant way.

Korton: yes.

Russ: I see.

Korton: and it is passed on to those that need to know. Those that do not need to know are not part of the news that is released to them.

Russ: oh, so in other words, you wouldn't have something like a news......like CNN's....

Korton: no.

Russ: half-hour things so everybody gets whatever is out there? I see, okay. Now with things that teach, for example, communication that teach the young........

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: we rely mostly on stories that have been passed down throughout the ages and it's been said that there's time for new stories, stuff that would teach kids in a better way. What's your opinion on that?

Korton: something that has worked for hundreds of years will carry on working for hundreds of years. You may need to update it, but something new that is untried does not work very often, it needs refining. So it is best to stick with stories of old but turn them into stories of new. For example, the story of Romeo and Juliet. In the past it has been performed as a Renaissance play.

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: it has been performed about two rival gangs, it has been preformed about two rival countries.

Russ: you stay up on this stuff.

Korton: so it is contemporary.

Russ: I see, so it's updated.

Korton: correct, but it is still the same story.

Russ: I see, so it's ideals that are set in stone.

Korton: yes.

Russ: but the stone can be reworked to make it....

Korton: to refine it for the time.

Russ: right, I see. Good, okay, so lessons........for example, to teach the young of today in ways that would bring about a more higher consciousness, would you then go ahead and change the stories from old to reflect this?

Korton: yes. For example, if you take a story of two species fighting and two individuals from that species crash land on a planet and the survival of one depends on the other and vice a versa.

Russ: oh, I see.

Korton: or, you could take the story of a soldier from from one of your countries being shipwrecked on an island in the South Pacific and finding out that he is sharing that island with one of his enemies. Again, the survival of both depends on each other. Or, a shipwrecked sailor being shipwrecked again on a South Pacific island and then finding that he is not alone but has company, that his survival depends on this person and vice a versa.

Russ: oh.

Korton: name the three stories those are.

Russ: well the first one is "Enemy Mine". The second, I've seen it and I don't know the title of it and the third one escapes me completely.

Korton: the third one is Robinson Caruso.

Russ: that's right.

Korton: and what do they have in common?

Russ: they all rely on the Romeo and Juliet tradition.

Korton: no, they are a story......or they are all Robinson Caruso......

Russ: oh, I see.

Korton: reworked saying that your enemy can be your best friend that can help you survive. That the survival of him depends on you and you on him.

Russ: hmm, I see.

Korton: which in essence says work together, you may achieve some wonderful things.

Russ: understood, no matter how old he is.

Korton: correct.

Russ: thank you Korton, it is well put to say the least. Okay, so in writing for example, to put something like this down on to paper, we could use the same you used in your dissertation on communication but apply it to more people. In other words, emphasis on certain words.....

Korton: yes, to relay the point.

Russ: in getting to the point.

Korton: if you stand up for ten minutes and talk about what you wish to achieve, where you wish to go, you could talk for ten minutes and lose your audience. Or you could stand up and talk for thirty seconds and again lose your audience. Or, you can stand up and weigh each word very carefully and hold your audience in such rapture that they do not know that time has passed. It may be five minutes, it may be half an hour. They are unaware because of how you are pronouncing the words and how you keep their attention. It is necessary to practice what you wish to say beforehand.

Russ: hmm, I see. So like would I need to practice for these channeling sessions?

Korton: if you wish. I know that Kiri practices and Tia practices.

Russ: prior to coming into this?

Korton: yes.

Russ: I would have never have guessed.

Korton: they work with their emotions quite a lot.

Russ: ahh.

Korton: their emotions, they will know what they wish to say and unfortunately their emotions tend to get the better of them sometimes. But that is what makes them so entertaining.

Russ: yes it does.

Korton: but they do get to the point.....eventually.

Russ: eventually, correct. Okay, good. So I'll work on this and then I'll have some more to report for you next time.

Korton: okay.

Russ: thank you Korton.

Korton: thank you.

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(Tia takes her place between speakers in the channeling field)



Russ: let the cat out of the bag, did he?

Tia: oh, Mark knows.

Russ: oh I didn't know.

Tia: oh.

Russ: I never would've guessed.

(Russ starts laughing)

Tia: no......we work with our emotions......hah.

Russ: I like that emotions, that's a good way to put it.

Tia: no, when I'm talking about astral travel and stuff yeah, that is rehearsed.

Russ: that's cool.

Tia: but now, at the moment it's not rehearsed.

Russ: still, I thought you just winged as you get along.....

Tia: oh I do sometimes.

Russ: well that works for me.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. So I'll work on my pronunciation and my delivery.

Tia: okay.

Russ: so you can get a few laughs out of each night.

Tia: uh-huh. Oh well, I better put the last speaker on.

Russ: okay.

---

(Places changed, Karra now is the featured speaker)



Russ: how are you doing my darling?

Karra: oh not too bad.

Russ: love of my life.

Karra: thank you, and mine.

Russ: well, so much to talk about....

Karra: so little time.

Russ: so little time indeed.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, all right, my darling.

Karra: okay, now.....yes.

Russ: oh, we're working on healing.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and those relative things that go along with that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, one of the things that I was working on with Kiri was the ability to discover the cause of issues within the person......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so that you can work at the roots of it instead of just trying to cut off the disease.

Karra: well as I think she was trying to say is sometimes the cause is so murky that you really can't find one specific......I sound like Korton, don't I? One specific cause, it could be many things.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: for example, take Carrie's melanoma cancer that is probably history.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: now what caused it?

Russ: too much sun.........imperfect pigmentation.......what?

Karra: her parents.

Russ: oh, so it's hereditary?

Karra: kind of, it's a mixing of two genes and what can you do about that? Nothing.

Russ: well not on our planet.

Karra: exactly. You'd have to give her gene therapy which you don't have.

Russ: no.

Karra: but see there's nothing you can do about that. But each thing you said is part of the cause.

Russ: I see, so it's a combination of symptoms.

Karra: exactly. So it is hard sometimes to come up with an answer on something like melanoma cancer.

Russ: now wouldn't it be something like knowing that her parents had these problems and she could be given enough warning prior to going out into the sun to avoid this?

Karra: yes.

Russ: wearing lots of sunblock or something?

Karra: yes.

Russ: now, about her other problem.

Karra: yes, her lock jaw.

Russ: yes. Now is there a cause to that possibly or is that.....

Karra: yes, stress.

Russ: stress?

Karra: yes, she gets very tense at times.

Russ: oh, and that tension transmits itself to her muscles.

Karra: yes, she clenches her teeth. She gets annoyed with people, she clenches her teeth.

Russ: I see, so it's a bad habit.

Karra: uh-huh. I believe she grinds her teeth too.

Russ: okay, now, in preparing for next week.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: those things which I shall need to assist her with?

Karra: nothing.

Russ: oh, she's going go right at it.

Karra: maybe a cup of tea for enjoyment plus we talk.

Russ: I can arrange for that.

Russ: so anyway, with Carrie, is a way to get her over this then?

Karra: uh-huh, we'll teach her how to relax.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: we will also loosen the tension as well. The only thing that we will need is probably warm, salty water. From a tap for the usual.

Russ: right.

Karra: clean towel for her.

Russ: okay. Oh, I was wondering, I'm going through "Empire Strikes Back"......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and....

(Karra begins to hum the Dark Side's theme song)

Karra: sorry.

Russ: absolutely. Now would you say that everything or everyone who is destined to go to higher consciousness achieve a rite of passage?

Karra: yes and no.

Russ: what was your rite of passage?

Karra: hmm?

Russ: what was your rite of passage?

Karra: hmm, from what?

Russ: from girl to womanhood.

Karra: (?).

Russ: baby?

Karra: Nazreal.

Russ: Nazreal, that's right, who made you a mother.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: ahh, hmm. I would have to say for me it was my bonding with you.

Karra: oh thank you.

Russ: all of a sudden I found my true calling in life.

Karra: to be a healer.

Russ: absolutely. Working at improving myself as much as possible.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now then, so essentially what we should do is don't worry so much about the cause....

Karra: sorry, I'm being tickled.

Russ: oh okay. Don't worry so much about the cause. If you can find it great, that's the bonus, right?

Karra: oh, sorry, yeah.

Russ: okay. But essentially keep an eye on the symptoms....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: watch out for ways to improve them. Now in working with more improved ways of healing without medicine.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: do you have anything I can work on for this week?

Karra: yes, understanding four things. And this was relayed to me by Kiri that Mark was listening to a program on the radio about cancer and understanding why these four things work. Nutrition, spirituality, physical and psychological. Why these four things together work.

Russ: that should be fun.

Karra: uh-huh. Now I will let you in on something why was I laughing slightly........

Russ: okay.

Karra: and why I said about tickling. Minerva decided that she was going to be a cat.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: she jumped up on my lap. She curled around my legs and I'm wearing a bikini and a T-shirt and my T-shirt had kinda come up a little bit on my stomach and my stomach's bare and her tail is going...(Karra makes swishing sounds)....it started to tickle.

Russ: that's amazing.

Karra: hmm. It fascinated me, she feels more catlike each time she does it.

Russ: let's hope she still continues that desire to be a baby.

Karra: oh, she's a baby now.

Russ: okay.

Karra: she does it when she wants attention.

Russ: oh I see.

Karra: since we made a fuss of her. Sort of like, "ahhh, look at the cute little baby that's turned into a cat". Okay......

Russ: that reminds me, Klarra, David and Michael are all brothers and sisters to Alana.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: surprised the heck out of me.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: when I realized it.

Karra: uh-huh. But Klarra is unrelated to David and Kevin and Alana.

Russ: and Michael.

Karra: and Michael, yes. But Klarra is unrelated to any of my children, any of my grandchildren.

Russ: that clues me in on why I am going back to flight training. Marta gets pregnant.....

Karra: it's a possibility.

Russ: suppose it would be.

Karra: but I don't think Nazreal would hurry.

Russ: no, I agree. He wouldn't be rushing towards getting out of flight patrols.

Karra: I think they're having too much fun and I think a baby would slow them down.

Russ: I think you're right but I am going to go back on flight training duty.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.....

Karra: and as soon as we found out that she was pregnant, she would have to come off flights straightaway.

Russ: right.

Karra: the same as with Katrina, who's chomping at the bits to get back flying.

Russ: well she's going to have to wait a little while for that one.

Karra: six months.

Russ: that far?

Karra: and then she does six months as ground crew before she gets back into the air. She has to do a three month training course after that before she gets onto combat and patrols again. So the infant by that time is a year and a half, year and a quarter.

Russ: ahh, well that's a good way to bring up a child then too, lots of motherly attention for that first year and a quarter.

Karra: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: as our kids are getting lots of love.

Karra: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: okay, that's it for me as far as questions go.

Karra: all right, I've got a bet to make

Russ: oh, I don't know, I lose my bets to you.

Karra: I bet that you you won't make it up here tonight. And what I will do for you if you do make it up is whatever you wish me to do. Do you wish to accept the bet?

Russ: yeah I do.

Karra: okay.

Russ: since I was planning to go up there anyways afterwards.

Karra: you shouldn't of told me that.

Russ: well the bet's paid.

Karra: okay, I've got to go off and do a few things.

Russ: okay.

Karra: what do you want me to wear? What I'm wearing now?

Russ: let's see, since I get to do whatever I want with you, it won't last long anyway.

Karra: lingerie?

Russ: whatever you like, surprise me.

Karra: okay. Cheeky lingerie.

Russ: yes indeed.

---

(Tia is back to wrap up the channeling session)


(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: which way did he go, which we did he go?

Russ: ganja went up that way. Pondering life's mysteries I think. God, we've still got a ton of tape left.

Tia: we do?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: oh well, what are we going to talk about?

Russ: PK.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay. You, I assume have seen "Empire Strikes Back"?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and what I'm trying to do with my PK is work in that same manner.

Tia: ripping things off of the wall and hurling them at people. "Feel the weight of the rock", "do or do not, no try".

Russ: right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so with that in mind.....

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: my question is, how do you feel the object that you're trying to lift?

Tia: feel the shape, imagine the shape in your hand. Imagine your hand reaching out, grasping that object and lifting.

Russ: I see.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so basically what you're trying to do is achieve the fact where you attain it.

Tia: uh-huh. You got a bowl of milk I could lap up?

Russ: and with that in mind, how do you get past your disbelief in yourself?

Tia: you have to understand first of all that anything is possible, remind yourself of that, anything is possible. When you imagine yourself picking up the object in your hand and lifting it, "anything is possible, anything is possible, I can do it, I know I can do it. I can do it, I know I can do it, I can do it, I can do it, see, I can do it, see, see, see?"

Russ: oh yeah, by the way.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: didn't you have a barbecue for Lyka, a going away thing?

Tia: oh yeah.

Russ: you did?

Tia: uh-huh. It went fine. It was just me, Lyka.......oh, the actual barbecue. Yeah, that was last night.

Russ: that was last night?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I see.

Tia: it was all right, she wasn't very happy.

Russ: why not?

Tia: oh, she had a bad day in class I think.

Russ: oh?

Tia: but I made up for it earlier on this evening.

Russ: well that's good.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so she ships out tomorrow at six?

Tia: yeah, six o'clock in the morning.

Russ: oh, cool.

Tia: yeah, she'll be back in two weeks.

Russ: what is she doing tonight?

Tia: she's.......I don't know, probably going to have an early night if she isn't already having an early night. I'll make sure she has an early night.

Russ: which she could use.

Tia: I wonder what she's doing at the moment?

Russ: you should just ask Mark, can't you tap into his brain?

Tia: I can get into his brain down there but at the moment, because I'm in the energy field for the channeling session, it's kind of........I can do short-range telepathy but not long-range.

Russ: okay. Well I've got a question that I was going to ask Omal....

Tia: okay.

Russ: so I'll ask you. What is your projection or anybody's projection about these comets going to go past Jupiter coming up here?

Tia: well there's many, many possibilities but I'm not going to make any predictions.

Russ: okay.

Tia: uh-huh apart from I'm selling my house on Europa.

Russ: ahh, is it going for a good price?

Tia: uh-huh, you want it?

Russ: rock bottom?

Tia: yep, and I'm thinking about selling all that land I've got on Io.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: hmm, I'm writing a song about that planet actually.

Russ: really?

Tia: "Io, Io, it's off to work we go. Keep on working, Io, Io, Io...Io".........it was a spur of the moment thingy.

Russ: okay, so essentially, we're not going to get into Jupiter at all?

Tia: no, I don't know that much, I've got my own work to do at the moment apart from if you've got any land on Io, sell it.

Russ: I've got to sell my farming career first.

Tia: you're what?

Russ: my farming career.

Tia: oh, your farming career? Oh, not your farming career, your farm in Korea. It's a terrible joke.

Russ: it's as bad as your one about your house on Europa.

Tia: it's a terrible pun.

Russ: it's all I've got are terrible puns.

Tia: hahh.

Russ: well anyway, we're just killing time anyways.

Tia: yeah, yeah.

Russ: anything else?

Tia: apart from I'm really horny.

Russ: well, go take care of that and.......

Tia: no, we'll use up the tape. I can sit here and get Karra who's trying to pick up Minerva and Minerva's doing her cat impersonation. You know how shy Lyka really is?

Russ: well she's coming out of her shell.

Tia: yeah, she's still very shy though. She does enjoy raw meat though.

Russ: yes, I heard about that.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but anyway, how shy is she?

Tia: hmm.....hello, I see a tail. Hello buddy, come here.

(Tia tries to call the cat)

Russ: your reputation precedes you darling. So anyway, we get Carrie next week.

Tia: yeah, looking forward to it.

Russ: yes, I thought you might.

Tia: uh-huh. She's a nice girl, I like her.

(Tia calls to the cat some more)

Tia: oh well, more questions?

Russ: hey, by the way, why is it that when you......? It's said when you go through the Van Allen belt it affects your astral body.

Tia: uh-huh. It's all the energy pulling one way and the other way and this way and that way.

Russ: oh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well, how does Mark deal with it?

Tia: oh, navigation, speed.

Russ: he just goes right through it so it doesn't affect him.

Tia: it doesn't faze him.

Russ: what about you, you go through it all the time.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: it doesn't faze you either?

Tia: no, except for when I'm carrying little Athena with me.

Russ: can you see the Van Allen belt?

Tia: no.

Russ: you just feel it.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: ahh. So that's not part of a dimension shift?

Tia: no.

Russ: oh, so you go through the dimension shift, that's two times through the Van Allen belt.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: well that's all I've got my dear.

Tia: oh well, I think the tape's almost ended anyway.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: "itsy-bitsy spider went climbing up the spout".

Russ: still got a ways to go.

Tia: "down came the rain and washed poor incy out". T"hree little mittens have lost their kittens and they began to cry. Oh mother dear, we greatly fear, our kittens we have lost. Lost your kittens, you naughty mittens, then you shall have no pie".

Russ: oh, all right my dear, I'm glad you stopped in to say hi as always. I look for to seeing you on Friday night.

Tia: okay, I'm outta here.

Russ: okay.

Tia: I'm going to go and get......

Russ: go and have fun doing it.

Tia: yeah, put the tea on.

Russ: okay.

Tia: I think he might appreciate it.

Tia: bye.

Russ: bye Tia.


 
THE TAPE ENDS