Archivist Notes: Welcome to a continuation
of the Genesis tapes, those tapes recorded when we
still had only a portable tape recorder with an
extended mic. We went professional and enlisted the
help of people trained in how to get the best out of
such recordings. This is the first of those and
you'll see immediately that it was money well spent.
Despite those improvements from the first early
tapes, we encourage the listener to follow the
transcript to better understand what is being said
when the sound is at points that are hard to hear.
The other items to note in this channeling session
are that Tia comes from a third dimensional world
and is still third dimensional herself so wars on
her planet were still in the history of their race.
Where Kiri talks about Carrie's healing, that is a
third dimensional guest who moved back East that had
her cancer healed through a meta-concert from the
base. She's been a contributor to the archives from
the channeling sessions where we would call her once
the channeling session had started. Our notes for
Korton's time channeling is that as head of Ashtar
Command's communication section, his contributions
to the archives on communication is extensive. His
time on sides one and two would be helpful
information for a person's work, school, or a mass
gathering of people. With Karra, our notes from her
time channeling revolve around Minerva, one of Mark
and Tia's triplet daughters. She, like her mother,
is descended from cats and had also started to
develop her manifesting skill while still
practically an infant. Where she turns herself into
a cat on Karra's lap, it is her cat form she went to
out of habit. Also, this was a point where I was
doing flight training with Karra's son, Nazreal. He
would do search and rescue patrols while I would
study the background duties while in my astral form.
Marta that Karra mentions is Nazreal's bond mate.
Finally, with Tia, it is another of her triplets she
is talking about when she mentions Athena who was
already able to travel with her mother when she went
on astral travel trips. Those are all the notes we
have to help clarify a few things about this
session. Now, onto a full summary of what was
Tia gets things started on
an auspicious night where O.J. Simpson had been in
the back of a white Ford Bronco earlier in the day.
Despite those dramatic events, Tia was in a good
mood as she got the channeling session going. The
question on the table we wrestle with is the energy
in the ground in places where warfare or death have
taken place. It's part of an underlying question of
being able to tune in to the energy of a place upon
arrival. That gets us to Kiri's time a speaker and
her review of a coercion practice I had tried
recently. It also got us to a continuation of a
subject we had been studying concerning the
combination of a healer and a coercer working in
conjunction just as we had seen Kiri and Karra do in
prior channeling sessions. For this part of the
lesson, we focus on the coercer's role of calming
the person being healed or directing them listen to
the healer. The results had been seen in a friend of
ours that had been healed of cancer with the base's
help but we had run into resistance when it came to
healing Mark's knee. We were gaining understanding
of why that was with Kiri's help. We end there as
far as her time on so that the special guest speaker
could take her place which for this night was the
head of communications for Ashtar Command, Korton.
We are honored to have him as one of the great
masters in speaking and communication because he
goes into depth about how to do it properly. We are
doubly honored because he gives a dissertation that
seems to stitch together his previous talks on the
subject but this is the most complete and earliest
of them all. He focuses on delivery and giving
certain words more emphasis while explaining why all
of this is important. We move onto a discussion on
the bards of England and their roles in our society
today. He explains how they were able to bring
knowledge to those unable to read with their songs
of the land. Korton points out, as we get to the end
of the side, that the myths and legends of today had
their beginning in the actual events that were
taking place in that far off time.
We next bring the
conversation back to the present day on side two as
Korton lets us know how the news is handled in a
much different way throughout Ashtar Command. Their
way of parts of the news getting to only those who
need those parts works exclusively on a higher
dimension. Used down here, it would cut down from
the barrage of information today's new services
provide on a steady basis but wouldn't satisfy
everyone. That brings up the topic of how the
stories of old could be updated to bring them into a
new era with new fans. Using an example of Robinson
Caruso, he shows how that has been updated
in various incarnations since it was
written. We end with the revelation that
Kiri and Tia rehearse what they plan to say
prior to each channeling session. Tia
confirms that fact in the midst of
transitioning speakers over to Karra who
then follows up on her sister's topic of
getting to the roots of an ailment. To
better illustrate what she is talking about,
she reminds me of our friend Carrie whose
melanoma cancer was healed through the help
of a base meta-concert. That, along with a
bad case of stress, had been at the heart of
some problems Karra was helping her through
at the time. We next move onto "Star Wars"
and the rite of passage that one can
experience such as Luke had in the swamps of
Dagobah. We're interrupted by one of Tia and
Mark's triplets manifesting herself into a
cat and then jumping onto Karra's lap while
she was channeling. She ends her time
talking by discussing the decision I had
made to go back to flight training with her
son and his bond mate during my trips to the
base. It consisted of helping with their
search and rescue work they did while I was
still in astral form. Tia replaces Karra to
run out the tape and as usual we get some
great topics covered in the time remaining.
Returning to "The Empire Strikes Back", I
ask our PK expert about the ability to feel
an object from afar. Tia's advice is a
complete belief in one's ability to make the
object move to your desire. Yoda's efforts
with Luke come to mind immediately. From
there we trade puns before ending the
channeling session on a question about
traveling through the Van Allen belt in the
astral form. She confirms there are
energies in it that can affect the
session was emblematic of the tapes to come
and how we now get into the early days of
the training when things were very
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra
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(Tia, our resident ring mistress,
gets the night started)
Russ: I welcome you here and say hi and howdy
Tia: it's Howdy Doody.
Russ: you betcha. It's Howdy Doody time with Tia.
Russ: okay. So, this evening's entertainment is all
Tia: ahh, I'm the star, be a star.
Russ: absolutely. Was Korton able to make it?
Tia: what do you want to know? How are you feeling
Russ: I've got my throat back.......
Russ: which is nice and, did Mark drink any coffee
after he left?
Russ: he didn't? So that worked.
Tia: well he was busy, they kept him busy in the
afternoon I think. I didn't get much out of him, on
Russ: I assume you know what I'm talking about.
Tia: yeah, coercion.
Tia: I don't think that had anything to do with it
actually, he was pretty swamped with work.
Russ: now, in certain parts of the world it's a
known fact that the energy that is built up in those
areas such as mystic shrines, Celtic circles....
Russ: and so on. Now, does this also holds true with
Russ: it does?
Tia: very much so.
Tia: I know that because on my home
planet.........I'll tell you a little story, and it
doesn't concern me, it concerns two lovers that were
out camping. And they were camping on an old
battlefield and they were woken up in the middle of
the night by this huge battle they could actually
see the participants and all the slaying and the
killing going on around them and they were scared.
And in the morning they woke up and there was
nothing there, it was beautiful, green fields and
trees and the odd spear point sticking out. That was
Russ: interesting. So there it's no longer a battle
there and there could be one again.
Tia: oh I don't know. Maybe if there was a war that
broke out it could be used again because there's a
densely wooded area on one side that turns into a
swamp and on the other side of it there's huge
cliffs and it's a perfect invasion route.
Russ: oh, well who would be battling then? Is there
two opposite groups on the planet?
Tia: there were. Well there's many at one time.
Tia: it was an old and ancient battlefield.
Russ: none of any current.....
Tia: no, no, no, nope.
Russ: harmonious world?
Tia: there are factions that do from time to time
try to take over but most of it is political,
occasionally they fight.
Russ: so would you say politically and
sociologically Durondedunns are more advanced than
Tia: yeah. We have a monarch that rules the planet.
Doesn't rule the stars though. Not the stars, the
satellites. They're independent, they have their own
monarchs, brother kings and queens.
Russ: so in other words, Durondedunn is essentially
what the future Earth could be?
Tia: possibly, possibly.
Russ: okay. Now back to the theory on how
battlefields maintain their energy levels and
Tia: oh sorry, I was just adjusting myself.
Russ: no problem.
Tia: something about battlefields maintaining their
energy, carry on.
Russ: now, we come to the Peninsula of Korea,
Russ: Japan and China, all those areas that I
mentioned have all had wars upon them.
Russ: and it would seem like in that area of the
world in particular, that the energies surrounding
them would be quite concentrated almost.
Tia: no more than other parts of your planet.
Tia: what about the Little Big Horn or the Ardennes.
That whole entire area if you look at it. The
Ardennes area, you've got the battle of Waterloo,
Agincourt, Cressy, Serdun, (Verdun?) oh, that little
village place.......nevermind. But you've got so
many battlefields going on there that they're all
over the place. In fact, one battlefield will often
have another battlefield underneath it and another
one on top.
Russ: hmm. So essentially places for even more
spiritually revived or more calm places would be
places where battles have not been fought.
Tia: not necessarily.
Russ: how so?
Tia: because of the energy. The energy, it's not
negative or positive, it's just lots of different
types of energy all heaped into one place. If you
take some battle......a religious battle between two
Tia: there's a religious energy there, the spiritual
energy. Because each side believed in who they were
fighting for and what reason and that their reason
was better than the reason of the people they were
Russ: but if someone is suffering with a mortal
wound and is laying there dying and you multiply
this by a hundred, you have an energy going into the
earth that no matter how religious it is, if he
prayed to their gods for relief before he died,
there's still that pain-and-suffering.....
Tia: what about where your train crashed last year?
What about where there was a mass pileup on the
motorway and people died? What about in your towns
where there's earthquakes?
Russ: right, but these are places I wouldn't want to
go for a metaphysical retreat.
Tia: no, but they're just places. The energy's
there, the energy's all around you.
Russ: but I'm looking at the point of say Tahoe for
Russ: with its beauty plus the fact that no wars
have been fought on it and it's just real peaceful
like Sedona and places like that.
Tia: what about the Donner party?
Russ: North Shore.
Tia: still in this area. What about the people that
died up on the mountain? There's lots of history to
this place. You know so little about it.
Russ: well can you tell in a sense the history of a
place when you get to it?
Tia: yes and no, you have to be in tune with it.
"Isn't that so beautiful, hmmm?"
Russ: so being in tune with it, you need to find the
best place to sit back and relax and meditate and
make it home....
Russ: part of a retreat.
Russ: hmm. So essentially what you're looking for is
a space to create a space.
Russ: and to find that, you have to be able to be in
tune with your environment.
Russ: okay, good. Maybe being as then a person
descended from cats, you can give me a hint or two
on a good way to do this.
Tia: just open your mind up and feel the energies
around you. Feel what type of energy it is.
Russ: okay. Well, perhaps then you wouldn't mind
telling me a little bit on working with etheric PK.
Tia: do we have time or I could put somebody in and
we can save it for when I'm back?
Russ: okay, let's do it that way.
Tia: uh-huh. Okay, oh I've got to make him move.
(Ed. note: a house cat on the futon Mark was laying
Russ: either that or put your legs over top of.....
Tia: oh well. Hey, come back Buster. Bet you can't
guess my name.
Tia: Rumpelstiltskin. I'll be back.
(Kiri takes her turn at
channeling through Mark)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo dude.
Russ: you're the serious one then?
Kiri: apparently compared to Tia I am.
Russ: that's a nice change of pace to say the least.
Russ: well good my dear.
Russ: how are you doing?
Kiri: oh excellent, excellent dude, excellent.
Russ: good, I'm glad to hear that.
Kiri: got some questions for me?
Russ: of course.
Russ: I'm going to start off a little bit on this
morning's coercion I attempted by myself.
Russ: I'm not sure if you were monitoring or not.
Kiri: no I wasn't but I did get informed by big sis.
Russ: okay, good.
Russ: okay. Success, failure?
Kiri: no effect.
Russ: no effect?
Russ: okay. So, improvements.
Kiri: improvements. More direct eye contact.
Russ: that's a little bit tough.
Kiri: you've got to remember that Mark does tend to
bounce up and down quite a bit anyway and making eye
contact is hard. But, yeah, that is what you've got
Russ: okay, how do you manage to keep eye contact? I
mean it's only just every........
Kiri: get his attention.
Russ: well I tried that and that lasted all of a
Russ: as you should know.
Kiri: he can be pretty difficult sometimes. Sorry,
this is..........hold on.
Kiri: that's better.
Russ: what happened?
Russ: for Mark's benefit.
Kiri: for Mark's benefit, okay. Tia had somehow got
her underwear into a wedgy and she was trying to
take off her skirt without revealing that she had a
wedgy so she was trying to unwedgy herself and take
her skirt off at the same time.
Kiri: because her skirt had a big stain on it, a tea
Russ: so she was trying to figure this one
Kiri: yeah, there was a big stain right down the
Kiri: apparently she spilled a cup tea and she
Russ: now, I want to go into coercion with healing
Kiri: okay, it's a long time since we've done that,
Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.
Russ: well about two months but being as I haven't
had anybody to work on lately is.......
Kiri: yeah, what's it? Last time we did it, it was
on Carrie wasn't it?
Russ: well also was using coercion to say, "I'll
Kiri: oh yeah.
Russ: you remember that, that was part one.
Russ: part two now is applying coercion to the inner
problems or the cause of what's actually really the
problems that are happening. Because what we were
working on before I believe was trying to work on
Russ: instead of the cause.
Russ: and so what I want to get on tonight a little
bit was coercion and assessing how to determine the
causes and then using them to bring about a change
in those causes.
Kiri: I don't tend to do much of that. I have done
some but you've got me at a disadvantage.
Russ: that's weird.
Kiri: uh-huh. See, I'm not really a healer. We
experiment with it, Karra and myself, because we
have a nice, close rapport.
Kiri: and normally what you would have is a healer
and a coercer.
Kiri: but not a healer coercer.
Russ: but if I ask Karra this she'll just say, "I'm
not really a coercer".
Kiri: yeah, I know, it's kind of.........
(Russ starts laughing pretty hard at that one)
Kiri: you've got to work in a rapport with a coercer
that has knowledge to heal.
Kiri: you see you have to work very closely in a
rapport between a healer and a coercer. And the
coercer has to have some knowledge to be able to
analyze what they're doing.
Kiri: it's kind of a meta-concert.
Russ: I see.
Kiri: yeah. So how you're working is the coercer is
dealing with making the patient feel good, making
the patient forget about the ailment and getting
them to focus their energy to start healing. Whereas
the healer manipulates the energy that's been put in
place by the coercer who has programmed the patient
to channel the energy to that area. For example, if
we had a problem with the knee........which we do,
this one here lets say.......what we would need to
do is to get the patient here to supply energy from
here, the brain, down to the leg.
Kiri: they would do that by visualizing a string of
white energy pouring down from being sucked in from
the top of their chakra down into their leg.
Russ: I see.
Kiri: and also channeling energy up. And what my job
would be is to focus the energies and, "focus,
focus, focus" and have the patient focus the energy
on the desired area which would be directed by the
Kiri: and the healer then manipulates the energy to
do the work necessary.
Russ: I see. But now at that same point they're
still working on symptoms.
Kiri: but the cause sometimes is so obscure it's
difficult to find. It's easy enough to find when
it's cancer of the lungs, you know what the cause is
Kiri: or possibly. You know there are other things
that can cause cancer of the lung?
Russ: hmm, secondary smoke.....
Kiri: that's one thing.
Russ: and so forth, sure.
Kiri: so.......and there's nothing you can do about
the pollution apart from move to somewhere where
Kiri: uh-huh, like there is here.
Kiri: so, that, you can't really address that
Russ: well here's the point that I'm trying to make
and in fact it concerns with Mark's knee.
Russ: as you remember his past life experience that
we did the regression on.
Kiri: oh yeah.
Russ: and what happened to his knee in the past.
Russ: it was severely injured.
Kiri: I think more than severely injured.
Russ: well yeah, taken off but I mean essentially
very badly hurt.
Russ: and what could be the cause of his problems
with his knee, even though they were physical in
Russ: could also be that they had a past life
significance that's been playing itself out in this
Kiri: possibly, possibly. In both his lives he has
military experience and it's possible that he is
seeking to survive one military experience, because
he would've been probably about about the same age.
Possible, maybe not, it doesn't matter. But because
he didn't survive one and he survived this one, he
can go on to finish up what loose ends he had.
Russ: hmm. But then the same thing practically
Russ: a bullet cuts short his....
Russ: military career. Now, the coincidences of this
of course start to hit you right away when you look
at this in a past life view. And how would you then
go about treating this? Because in one place you
have a person who actually expects the need to be
injured due to a past life in which he was.
Russ: so to get him to be able to work upon healing
in this life, he'd have to want to be healed and
that is the root of our problem that we come to so
far is the fact he hasn't the desire to have it
healed or at least he's never spoken up on his
desire to have it healed.
Kiri: hmm, I think he is aware that.......how did
Kornas put it? The light that burns so bright only
lasts half as long.
(Ed. note: Kornas is the base geneticist that also
seventh dimensional and an expert in all healing)
Kiri: and if you take away the necessary drive, the
carrot, right? Is he going to be pursuing his
abilities as hard?
Russ: right. Okay, for example, Carrie's skin
Russ: could it be possible that this is possibly
something that is carried over from a previous life
Kiri: I doubt it very much.
Russ: like leprosy or something?
Kiri: I doubt it.
Russ: okay, but essentially there could be a root
cause to each of these things.
Kiri: possibly yes, possibly.
Russ: and so in summary, it's possible then to get
to the real cause of a person's problem if you want
to spend the time and effort to do so.
Kiri: possibly. To summarize the summary, past lives
affect the present. To summarize the summary of the
summary, what we do affects us now and tomorrow. To
summarize the summary of the summary of the summary,
people are a problem.
Russ: okay, fair enough. I'll take your wording on
Kiri: to summarize the summary of the summary of the
summary, next question please.
Russ: okay so, then for coercion, when a person is
being worked on through your coercion......
Russ: you essentially have an ability then to go
ahead and put them into a light trance possibly.
Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, well like we did to Carrie.
Russ: how'd you do that to Carrie?
Kiri: by getting her to listen to the voice.
Russ: what voice?
Kiri: our voices.
Russ: oh, your voices?
Russ: well that's what I'm talking about.
Kiri: uh-huh. When she's having a healing session,
right? All she hears is Karra's voice and maybe
sometimes yours and my voice. But normally it's
Karra's voice that she's focused on. Karra makes her
laugh, Karra makes her feel happy, Karra brings her
down, Karra takes her back up and she's really on a
tight leash with Karra and I'm just doing the
coercive energy thing.
Russ: right. Okay now, with that then, you're using
both then to achieve a control over the patient.
Kiri: yes. It also helps if you're telepathically
linked to your assistant or the coercer. Or the
healer if you're doing the coercing.
Russ: okay, all right. And now, with that then, you
come across the slight problem of how to go ahead
and bring that into the perspective of somebody
who's very open and balanced around like Mark and
Kiri: sorry, bringing it into focus? Does the victim
want to be healed and what will they lose if they
are healed if it's a long?.....something they can
get along without, like legs. They're very important
but you can get along without them.
Russ: so the question is, what do they want to do?
Kiri: yes, exactly.
Russ: now if you don't want to ask this, don't
Kiri: hmmm.......sometimes they will come to you
later on if they know you're a healer. A person will
go, "nah, I'm all right, I'm tough". Or what would
he say, "I'm tough, I'm British, I can handle it".
Maybe in five years he can't and then he needs your
Russ: I'll do what I can before it's too late.
Kiri: it will alleviate the pain but it's always too
late. The moral the story is, don't get in a
situation in the first place.
Russ: absolutely. Okay, well, that's all I got for
now my dear.
Russ: I'll let you go anyway.
Kiri: I'll go and sit on the edge and wait for Tia.
(Tia steps in for the speaker transition)
(Tia says something in Durondedunn but it isn't the
word for hi)
Russ: due to the fact I know Omal's got a busy
schedule, we'll hold off on keycode questions till
after we get through the heavyweights.
(We're honored to have Korton
stepping in for Omal)
Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ, and how
are you functioning?
Russ: functioning very well. Well within specified
Korton: that is good. Okay, let us proceed with due
haste and with skill and bated breath for our
discussion and dissertation on communication.
Korton: okay, the function of communication is to be
understood, this is indisputable.
Korton: using the correct words in their correct
context is just as important as pronouncing each
syllable correctly to be understood. Blurring of
words is to be avoided. The purpose of using your
voice is to be able to relay information to answer
Korton: another function of communication is to be
able to extract information from your subject by
using your communication skills to set up questions
that they will answer or that they will think about
and then come back and discuss with you at a later
time what you had said. The purposes of discussion
is to relay information from one individual to
another, to exchange ideas and therefore to enlarge
your capacity of memory and reasoning. Pronunciation
as I have stated is very important. Using words
wrongly or in the wrong context is just as bad as
bad pronunciation. If you wish to be looked upon as
somebody that is skilled in communication, you have
to be able to relay information precisely, clearly,
and to the point. If you discuss things in a
roundabout sort of way, it becomes A, boring, B, the
person forgets what you were discussing originally
and C, a waste of your time and their time. So,
communication's primary function is to relay
information and to retrieve information.
Russ: hmmm. What about the build up? I mean, instead
of getting right to the point, isn't there sometimes
where you need to build up to a point?
Korton: yes, there is certain situations that it is
necessary to appear to procrastinate and delay. To
build up as you put it.
Russ: now oftentimes to achieve correct
pronunciation and to not blur your words, you have
to prepare your sentences before saying them and
sometimes that's the biggest problem is how to find
space between sentences to do so.
Korton: listen to what I am saying and how I say
these things. To reiterate, it is necessary to be
patient, to use information, to spread information.
Korton: now, looking at that sentence that I have
just spoken, it is a very irrelevant sentence, what
did you notice?
Russ: I noticed you slowed down your delivery.....
Russ: and at that point you were able to come up
with the proper pronunciation as each word came to
Russ: and then finally when it came out, it was easy
to understand because you had not only slowed, you
gave the person time to grasp what it was you were
Korton: you also missed something of importance.
Korton: there was a pause between each sentence.
Russ: oh, so that would be part of the slowing down
Korton: yes. When you communicate, it is necessary
to put emphasis on certain words. This is so that
people can understand the importance of what you're
saying. And by doing this, it emphasizes the words
and the point that you are trying to get home.
Korton: you see between each sentence there was a
Korton: it says here ends the sentence, next
Russ: and then I noticed that your wording was such
that some were more....
Russ: worded better, more emphasis on a word or two.
And so that would be some of the keys to bringing
about your desired result.
Korton: exactly, result.
Russ: for example, I was speaking with Kiri on being
able to talk to somebody and put them into a
Russ: and a lot of that would be a little bit slower
Russ: pause between sentences and emphasis on words.
Russ: instead of rushing through your words like
this so you can't understand them.
Korton: like Kiri does.
(Russ starts laughing)
Korton: like Kiri does but you can understand her
Korton: but when you are talking to a group, it is
necessary to slow down your speech. Or when you are
talking to an individual that you wish to understand
or for them to understand what you are saying and
what you are driving at, then it is necessary to
Russ: hmm. So in other words, the key here is to pay
more attention to how your sentences are presented
instead of more of what you're saying.
Korton: correct. Presentation is as you might say
50% of the award.......
Korton: or 50% of the goal. If you present something
well, a person will think that you are an eloquent
talker, that you know what you are saying. If you
take a look at your famous politicians, how do they
talk? Slowly, precisely, and mostly to the point.
Russ: even if they're not saying anything, they sure
sound like they're saying something.
Russ: uh-huh, I see.
Korton: that is how you get somebody's attention is
you talk precisely, slowly, and to the point.
Russ: hmm. And so when you're doing that, that gives
you time to come up with a better presentation of
what you're going to say. Sometimes instead of
saying something in haste, you can give a better
word for it that will mean more by slowing down a
Korton: actions in haste repent at leisure.
Russ: hmm, absolutely, that comes across much
Russ: I see. So, slowing down....
Russ: taking time and.....
Korton: when I communicate most the time, I talk in
a normal mode of speech but when I am teaching, as
now, it is necessary to slow down to emphasize the
point. When I'm addressing members of the Council,
it is again necessary for me to slow down.
Russ: I see. Okay, so it's not all the time that you
Russ: there's a time and place for everything.
Korton: oh certainly. I can be very irreverent.
Russ: oh yes, I've noticed that which reminds me,
how is your cat?
Korton: my cat is functioning fine. It has become
Russ: well good to hear. I remember last time we
talked you were still working with it.
Russ: you don't speak to your cat like this do you?
Korton: sometimes. It helps for me to rehearse what
I am addressing members of the higher Council.
(Ed. note: The Council of Twelve which is led by
Sananda and Ashtar)
Russ: oh I see, and then discuss it with your cat.
Korton: yes, which is the perfect audience.
Russ: does the cat like comprehend anything you say?
Korton: sometimes. It will sit there patiently on
the edge of my desk in its little rest area on my
desk, it has several.
Korton: and it will sit upright and it will look at
me, head inclined to one side and appear to listen
with sheer rapture that it is totally involved in
what I am saying. And to a certain extent it
understands what I say.
Russ: and plus you're giving it attention which it
Korton: yes. All felines appear to enjoy attention.
Isn't that so Ganja?
(Ed. note: one of the house cats mentioned
frequently in the archives)
Russ: he's enjoying just laying there.
Russ: okay, I understand. One of the things I wanted
to get in with you was historical speakers who have
played an important role in our society and one part
of that would be the bards of England.
Russ: and the fact that then when there were nothing
as far as books that were widely distributed, you
had people who would go around and actually have
songs and poems and stories......
Korton: wandering minstrels.
Russ: right. And they played an important part in
the teaching of the young and old all the way
through. Because most people would not have seen
news from other lands or other places unless a bard
would come through with their stories.
Korton: there were wandering troops that did wander
from town to town relaying information.
Russ: hmm, right. Now in their manner of speaking,
they used ways that could be best described as
Korton: yes. You use the medium which is for
understanding at the time. It is no good giving
somebody that is illiterate a newspaper to read.
Korton: you tell them the news. And that is what the
problem was with some of these people or most were
illiterate so the function of the bards was to relay
information in song. And it was done so so they
Russ: ahh, I see. So in other words, they make up a
song, they would just put the events that were
relevant to the day into the song.
Korton: frequently one troop would get together with
another troop and they would sing the songs that
they had which was based on the goings-on in the
area that they had just came from and they would
exchange ideas and songs.
Russ: hmm, I see. And then a lot of that has come
through in our life now as our fairytales.
Korton: no, more along the lines of myths and
Russ: I see.
Korton: in myths, there is a trace of truth. In
legends, it is old history that is blended with
fiction and fantasy.
Russ: now do you see that our current bards of
today, let's say those who present our news, have
that same ability to captivate and to pass along
Russ: oh. So what would be needed then to be able to
bring that about?
(Korton is back picking up
from where he left off)
Korton: to be crisp and eloquent in how they
speak. To be precise, to avoid irreverence, to
avoid issues that are repetitive and dull. In your
life today, people are on the go, they want the
information now, they want it quickly. To make a
story that is five minutes long is a waste of
Russ: well I noticed for example this latest
episode with one of our sports hero's down here,
O.J. Simpson, the news was presented as it came
in. A lot of it was wrong, a lot of it was just
rumors that they put out as such. And as so,
people were getting the wrong impression
throughout the entire episode.
Korton: which gives more harm and danger to the
Korton: the bards of the day.
Russ: and so how could that have been presented in
a better way, waiting for more information?
Korton: yes, waiting for more information.
Russ: we're not a very patient society.
Korton: patience is a very important virtue.
Russ: uh-huh. Well is news, for example,
happenings that happen throughout Ashtar Command
handled in a much different way then?
Russ: in other words, you get all the information
first before it's presented and then present it in
a very elegant way.
Russ: I see.
Korton: and it is passed on to those that need to
know. Those that do not need to know are not part
of the news that is released to them.
Russ: oh, so in other words, you wouldn't have
something like a news......like CNN's....
Russ: half-hour things so everybody gets whatever
is out there? I see, okay. Now with things that
teach, for example, communication that teach the
Russ: we rely mostly on stories that have been
passed down throughout the ages and it's been said
that there's time for new stories, stuff that
would teach kids in a better way. What's your
opinion on that?
Korton: something that has worked for hundreds of
years will carry on working for hundreds of years.
You may need to update it, but something new that
is untried does not work very often, it needs
refining. So it is best to stick with stories of
old but turn them into stories of new. For
example, the story of Romeo and Juliet. In the
past it has been performed as a Renaissance play.
Korton: it has been performed about two rival
gangs, it has been preformed about two rival
Russ: you stay up on this stuff.
Korton: so it is contemporary.
Russ: I see, so it's updated.
Korton: correct, but it is still the same story.
Russ: I see, so it's ideals that are set in stone.
Russ: but the stone can be reworked to make it....
Korton: to refine it for the time.
Russ: right, I see. Good, okay, so
lessons........for example, to teach the young of
today in ways that would bring about a more higher
consciousness, would you then go ahead and change
the stories from old to reflect this?
Korton: yes. For example, if you take a story of
two species fighting and two individuals from that
species crash land on a planet and the survival of
one depends on the other and vice a versa.
Russ: oh, I see.
Korton: or, you could take the story of a soldier
from from one of your countries being shipwrecked
on an island in the South Pacific and finding out
that he is sharing that island with one of his
enemies. Again, the survival of both depends on
each other. Or, a shipwrecked sailor being
shipwrecked again on a South Pacific island and
then finding that he is not alone but has company,
that his survival depends on this person and vice
Korton: name the three stories those are.
Russ: well the first one is "Enemy Mine". The
second, I've seen it and I don't know the title of
it and the third one escapes me completely.
Korton: the third one is Robinson Caruso.
Russ: that's right.
Korton: and what do they have in common?
Russ: they all rely on the Romeo and Juliet
Korton: no, they are a story......or they are all
Russ: oh, I see.
Korton: reworked saying that your enemy can be
your best friend that can help you survive. That
the survival of him depends on you and you on him.
Russ: hmm, I see.
Korton: which in essence says work together, you
may achieve some wonderful things.
Russ: understood, no matter how old he is.
Russ: thank you Korton, it is well put to say the
least. Okay, so in writing for example, to put
something like this down on to paper, we could use
the same you used in your dissertation on
communication but apply it to more people. In
other words, emphasis on certain words.....
Korton: yes, to relay the point.
Russ: in getting to the point.
Korton: if you stand up for ten minutes and talk
about what you wish to achieve, where you wish to
go, you could talk for ten minutes and lose your
audience. Or you could stand up and talk for
thirty seconds and again lose your audience. Or,
you can stand up and weigh each word very
carefully and hold your audience in such rapture
that they do not know that time has passed. It may
be five minutes, it may be half an hour. They are
unaware because of how you are pronouncing the
words and how you keep their attention. It is
necessary to practice what you wish to say
Russ: hmm, I see. So like would I need to practice
for these channeling sessions?
Korton: if you wish. I know that Kiri practices
and Tia practices.
Russ: prior to coming into this?
Russ: I would have never have guessed.
Korton: they work with their emotions quite a lot.
Korton: their emotions, they will know what they
wish to say and unfortunately their emotions tend
to get the better of them sometimes. But that is
what makes them so entertaining.
Russ: yes it does.
Korton: but they do get to the
Russ: eventually, correct. Okay, good. So I'll
work on this and then I'll have some more to
report for you next time.
Russ: thank you Korton.
Korton: thank you.
(Tia takes her place between speakers in the
Russ: let the cat out of the bag, did he?
Tia: oh, Mark knows.
Russ: oh I didn't know.
Russ: I never would've guessed.
(Russ starts laughing)
Tia: no......we work with our emotions......hah.
Russ: I like that emotions, that's a good way to
Tia: no, when I'm talking about astral travel and
stuff yeah, that is rehearsed.
Russ: that's cool.
Tia: but now, at the moment it's not rehearsed.
Russ: still, I thought you just winged as you get
Tia: oh I do sometimes.
Russ: well that works for me.
Russ: okay. So I'll work on my pronunciation and
Russ: so you can get a few laughs out of each
Tia: uh-huh. Oh well, I better put the last
(Places changed, Karra now is
the featured speaker)
Russ: how are you doing my darling?
Karra: oh not too bad.
Russ: love of my life.
Karra: thank you, and mine.
Russ: well, so much to talk about....
Karra: so little time.
Russ: so little time indeed.
Russ: okay, all right, my darling.
Karra: okay, now.....yes.
Russ: oh, we're working on healing.
Russ: and those relative things that go along with
Russ: now, one of the things that I was working on
with Kiri was the ability to discover the cause of
issues within the person......
Russ: so that you can work at the roots of it
instead of just trying to cut off the disease.
Karra: well as I think she was trying to say is
sometimes the cause is so murky that you really
can't find one specific......I sound like Korton,
don't I? One specific cause, it could be many
Karra: for example, take Carrie's melanoma cancer
that is probably history.
Karra: now what caused it?
Russ: too much sun.........imperfect
Karra: her parents.
Russ: oh, so it's hereditary?
Karra: kind of, it's a mixing of two genes and
what can you do about that? Nothing.
Russ: well not on our planet.
Karra: exactly. You'd have to give her gene
therapy which you don't have.
Karra: but see there's nothing you can do about
that. But each thing you said is part of the
Russ: I see, so it's a combination of symptoms.
Karra: exactly. So it is hard sometimes to come up
with an answer on something like melanoma cancer.
Russ: now wouldn't it be something like knowing
that her parents had these problems and she could
be given enough warning prior to going out into
the sun to avoid this?
Russ: wearing lots of sunblock or something?
Russ: now, about her other problem.
Karra: yes, her lock jaw.
Russ: yes. Now is there a cause to that possibly
or is that.....
Karra: yes, stress.
Karra: yes, she gets very tense at times.
Russ: oh, and that tension transmits itself to her
Karra: yes, she clenches her teeth. She gets
annoyed with people, she clenches her teeth.
Russ: I see, so it's a bad habit.
Karra: uh-huh. I believe she grinds her teeth too.
Russ: okay, now, in preparing for next week.....
Russ: those things which I shall need to assist
Russ: oh, she's going go right at it.
Karra: maybe a cup of tea for enjoyment plus we
Russ: I can arrange for that.
Russ: so anyway, with Carrie, is a way to get her
over this then?
Karra: uh-huh, we'll teach her how to relax.
Karra: we will also loosen the tension as well.
The only thing that we will need is probably warm,
salty water. From a tap for the usual.
Karra: clean towel for her.
Russ: okay. Oh, I was wondering, I'm going through
"Empire Strikes Back"......
(Karra begins to hum the Dark Side's theme song)
Russ: absolutely. Now would you say that
everything or everyone who is destined to go to
higher consciousness achieve a rite of passage?
Karra: yes and no.
Russ: what was your rite of passage?
Russ: what was your rite of passage?
Karra: hmm, from what?
Russ: from girl to womanhood.
Russ: Nazreal, that's right, who made you a
Russ: ahh, hmm. I would have to say for me it was
my bonding with you.
Karra: oh thank you.
Russ: all of a sudden I found my true calling in
Karra: to be a healer.
Russ: absolutely. Working at improving myself as
much as possible.
Russ: okay, now then, so essentially what we
should do is don't worry so much about the
Karra: sorry, I'm being tickled.
Russ: oh okay. Don't worry so much about the
cause. If you can find it great, that's the bonus,
Karra: oh, sorry, yeah.
Russ: okay. But essentially keep an eye on the
Russ: watch out for ways to improve them. Now in
working with more improved ways of healing without
Russ: do you have anything I can work on for this
Karra: yes, understanding four things. And this
was relayed to me by Kiri that Mark was listening
to a program on the radio about cancer and
understanding why these four things work.
Nutrition, spirituality, physical and
psychological. Why these four things together
Russ: that should be fun.
Karra: uh-huh. Now I will let you in on something
why was I laughing slightly........
Karra: and why I said about tickling. Minerva
decided that she was going to be a cat.
Karra: she jumped up on my lap. She curled around
my legs and I'm wearing a bikini and a T-shirt and
my T-shirt had kinda come up a little bit on my
stomach and my stomach's bare and her tail is
going...(Karra makes swishing sounds)....it
started to tickle.
Russ: that's amazing.
Karra: hmm. It fascinated me, she feels more
catlike each time she does it.
Russ: let's hope she still continues that desire
to be a baby.
Karra: oh, she's a baby now.
Karra: she does it when she wants attention.
Russ: oh I see.
Karra: since we made a fuss of her. Sort of like,
"ahhh, look at the cute little baby that's turned
into a cat". Okay......
Russ: that reminds me, Klarra, David and Michael
are all brothers and sisters to Alana.
Russ: surprised the heck out of me.
Russ: when I realized it.
Karra: uh-huh. But Klarra is unrelated to David
and Kevin and Alana.
Russ: and Michael.
Karra: and Michael, yes. But Klarra is unrelated
to any of my children, any of my grandchildren.
Russ: that clues me in on why I am going back to
flight training. Marta gets pregnant.....
Karra: it's a possibility.
Russ: suppose it would be.
Karra: but I don't think Nazreal would hurry.
Russ: no, I agree. He wouldn't be rushing towards
getting out of flight patrols.
Karra: I think they're having too much fun and I
think a baby would slow them down.
Russ: I think you're right but I am going to go
back on flight training duty.
Karra: and as soon as we found out that she was
pregnant, she would have to come off flights
Karra: the same as with Katrina, who's chomping at
the bits to get back flying.
Russ: well she's going to have to wait a little
while for that one.
Karra: six months.
Russ: that far?
Karra: and then she does six months as ground crew
before she gets back into the air. She has to do a
three month training course after that before she
gets onto combat and patrols again. So the infant
by that time is a year and a half, year and a
Russ: ahh, well that's a good way to bring up a
child then too, lots of motherly attention for
that first year and a quarter.
Karra: uh-huh, yes.
Russ: as our kids are getting lots of love.
Karra: uh-huh, okay.
Russ: okay, that's it for me as far as questions
Karra: all right, I've got a bet to make
Russ: oh, I don't know, I lose my bets to you.
Karra: I bet that you you won't make it up here
tonight. And what I will do for you if you do make
it up is whatever you wish me to do. Do you wish
to accept the bet?
Russ: yeah I do.
Russ: since I was planning to go up there anyways
Karra: you shouldn't of told me that.
Russ: well the bet's paid.
Karra: okay, I've got to go off and do a few
Karra: what do you want me to wear? What I'm
Russ: let's see, since I get to do whatever I want
with you, it won't last long anyway.
Russ: whatever you like, surprise me.
Karra: okay. Cheeky lingerie.
Russ: yes indeed.
(Tia is back to wrap up the
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Tia: which way did he go, which we did he go?
Russ: ganja went up that way. Pondering life's
mysteries I think. God, we've still got a ton of
Tia: we do?
Tia: oh well, what are we going to talk about?
Russ: okay. You, I assume have seen "Empire
Russ: and what I'm trying to do with my PK is work
in that same manner.
Tia: ripping things off of the wall and hurling
them at people. "Feel the weight of the rock", "do
or do not, no try".
Russ: so with that in mind.....
Russ: my question is, how do you feel the object
that you're trying to lift?
Tia: feel the shape, imagine the shape in your
hand. Imagine your hand reaching out, grasping
that object and lifting.
Russ: I see.
Russ: so basically what you're trying to do is
achieve the fact where you attain it.
Tia: uh-huh. You got a bowl of milk I could lap
Russ: and with that in mind, how do you get past
your disbelief in yourself?
Tia: you have to understand first of all that
anything is possible, remind yourself of that,
anything is possible. When you imagine yourself
picking up the object in your hand and lifting it,
"anything is possible, anything is possible, I can
do it, I know I can do it. I can do it, I know I
can do it, I can do it, I can do it, see, I can do
it, see, see, see?"
Russ: oh yeah, by the way.
Russ: didn't you have a barbecue for Lyka, a going
Tia: oh yeah.
Russ: you did?
Tia: uh-huh. It went fine. It was just me,
Lyka.......oh, the actual barbecue. Yeah, that was
Russ: that was last night?
Russ: I see.
Tia: it was all right, she wasn't very happy.
Russ: why not?
Tia: oh, she had a bad day in class I think.
Tia: but I made up for it earlier on this evening.
Russ: well that's good.
Russ: so she ships out tomorrow at six?
Tia: yeah, six o'clock in the morning.
Russ: oh, cool.
Tia: yeah, she'll be back in two weeks.
Russ: what is she doing tonight?
Tia: she's.......I don't know, probably going to
have an early night if she isn't already having an
early night. I'll make sure she has an early
Russ: which she could use.
Tia: I wonder what she's doing at the moment?
Russ: you should just ask Mark, can't you tap into
Tia: I can get into his brain down there but at
the moment, because I'm in the energy field for
the channeling session, it's kind of........I can
do short-range telepathy but not long-range.
Russ: okay. Well I've got a question that I was
going to ask Omal....
Russ: so I'll ask you. What is your projection or
anybody's projection about these comets going to
go past Jupiter coming up here?
Tia: well there's many, many possibilities but I'm
not going to make any predictions.
Tia: uh-huh apart from I'm selling my house on
Russ: ahh, is it going for a good price?
Tia: uh-huh, you want it?
Russ: rock bottom?
Tia: yep, and I'm thinking about selling all that
land I've got on Io.
Tia: hmm, I'm writing a song about that planet
Tia: "Io, Io, it's off to work we go. Keep on
working, Io, Io, Io...Io".........it was a spur of
the moment thingy.
Russ: okay, so essentially, we're not going to get
into Jupiter at all?
Tia: no, I don't know that much, I've got my own
work to do at the moment apart from if you've got
any land on Io, sell it.
Russ: I've got to sell my farming career first.
Tia: you're what?
Russ: my farming career.
Tia: oh, your farming career? Oh, not your farming
career, your farm in Korea. It's a terrible joke.
Russ: it's as bad as your one about your house on
Tia: it's a terrible pun.
Russ: it's all I've got are terrible puns.
Russ: well anyway, we're just killing time
Tia: yeah, yeah.
Russ: anything else?
Tia: apart from I'm really horny.
Russ: well, go take care of that and.......
Tia: no, we'll use up the tape. I can sit here and
get Karra who's trying to pick up Minerva and
Minerva's doing her cat impersonation. You know
how shy Lyka really is?
Russ: well she's coming out of her shell.
Tia: yeah, she's still very shy though. She does
enjoy raw meat though.
Russ: yes, I heard about that.
Russ: but anyway, how shy is she?
Tia: hmm.....hello, I see a tail. Hello buddy,
(Tia tries to call the cat)
Russ: your reputation precedes you darling. So
anyway, we get Carrie next week.
Tia: yeah, looking forward to it.
Russ: yes, I thought you might.
Tia: uh-huh. She's a nice girl, I like her.
(Tia calls to the cat some more)
Tia: oh well, more questions?
Russ: hey, by the way, why is it that when
you......? It's said when you go through the Van
Allen belt it affects your astral body.
Tia: uh-huh. It's all the energy pulling one way
and the other way and this way and that way.
Russ: well, how does Mark deal with it?
Tia: oh, navigation, speed.
Russ: he just goes right through it so it doesn't
Tia: it doesn't faze him.
Russ: what about you, you go through it all the
Russ: it doesn't faze you either?
Tia: no, except for when I'm carrying little
Athena with me.
Russ: can you see the Van Allen belt?
Russ: you just feel it.
Russ: ahh. So that's not part of a dimension
Russ: oh, so you go through the dimension shift,
that's two times through the Van Allen belt.
Russ: well that's all I've got my dear.
Tia: oh well, I think the tape's almost ended
Tia: "itsy-bitsy spider went climbing up the
Russ: still got a ways to go.
Tia: "down came the rain and washed poor incy
out". T"hree little mittens have lost their
kittens and they began to cry. Oh mother dear, we
greatly fear, our kittens we have lost. Lost your
kittens, you naughty mittens, then you shall have
Russ: oh, all right my dear, I'm glad you stopped
in to say hi as always. I look for to seeing you
on Friday night.
Tia: okay, I'm outta here.
Tia: I'm going to go and get......
Russ: go and have fun doing it.
Tia: yeah, put the tea on.
Tia: I think he might appreciate it.
Russ: bye Tia.
THE TAPE ENDS
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