Carrie and the Karma of Atlantis- Channeled (07/18/95)

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Archivist Notes: As evolving beings, we hope our mistakes won't come back to haunt us but such is not the case for our podcast for August. Fifty-thousand years ago Atlantis was at its height but so were genetic experiments taking place back then between where DNA from various placed was being combined. Karra and I were part of a team in Africa working on a new race which is what I'm reminded of by Omal and Karra during the channeling session. It's tough enough having to deal with karma that has been accrued as a teen but past lives are no less of an influence in our current lives as is our past. Omal clears up questions lingering for decades on why actions taken by Ashtar Command back in Sedona made so much of a difference in making the present a reality. We also learn from him that devas were once physical beings during the times of Atlantis and only lost their need from a physical body with its destruction. We go over the writings of Edgar Casey and how far apart the two groups were that controlled Atlantis and the mass destruction that took place during the conflict. He even hints that the reason such destruction was possible was through the development and use of nuclear energy. Probably the least spectacular of his revelations but for me the most important was the role parallel lives come into play. Hence it is that we get to the point that leaves more questions than answers is whether this reality is the one that accomplishes the goal of ascension or a parallel one. When Karra follows Omal to discuss the matter is when things get to what the end result of our experiments from Atlantis will come as a result since the experiment started back then is still running. That was all on just side two while on side one, we call Carrie and catch up with her. Not as dramatic but just as important to learn the information our call provided.

    Kiri steps in as ring mistress to get the session going until Tia is set to take over and get a quick question answered on the theory of places with less being more conducive to spiritual learning. While she confirms it may be a possibility, there isn't any concrete evidence to say if it is a factor. Tia is set at that point so she takes the reins of the channeling session in hand as we call Carrie which will take up the rest of the side. After catching up with Carrie, we start into the heart of our conversation with her by Tia getting into the astral travel training she had been working with Carrie in her dreams. The lessons would have Tia astral traveling from the base to Carrie's house to take her astral body along with her on trips. We next go over her plans for getting pregnant which always seems to come u pin our conversations where there's only hope for a child all the way to a bouncing baby girl. Tia describes her body to Carrie who had only known what Tia's face looked like previously and for a first, Carrie puts her husband Mike on the phone who had attended a few channeling sessions. It's old home week as we get caught up in the couple's lives prior to Tia bringing on Karra to talk to Carrie. Karra gets up to the end of the side by reviewing Carrie's recent health based on a checkup she had done where the cancer she had going into remission with upon leaving Tahoe was possibly back. We know in hind-site it had left for good. We learn Karra'a advice to spice up Carrie's marriage had been successful and their relationship had grown much stronger. Something timely for today, we discuss the extreme heat they had been going through in their part of the country so Karra offers some advice for dealing with the heat before the tape come to an end.

   Karra continues her conversation with Carrie and we find out Carrie has initiated a self-healing regime of positive mental thinking that probably had a lot to do with her final healing. She passes Carrie off to her sister at that point and Kiri gets only enough time to wrap things up so Carrie can get to sleep. Back to a normal schedule, Omal's time channeling is anything but normal. This is one of the Atlantis tapes, those where we get insight into what took place on that continent but this is the main one, the one where Omal reveals that in my role as a geneticist, I took some of their DNA as part of an experiment in genetic engineering without their approval and am working out the karmic debt from that. Continuing on to more of that lost history we explore the work of Edgar Casey and his channeling about Atlantis. We focus on the two groups of antagonists that were part of the original colonists of which Mark and myself were in opposite groups. He hints at how a power source that was nuclear in nature was misused to cause the first destruction that took out parts of the continent. Though he is very restricted in the information he can tell us due to a policy of non-interference, he is able to let us know that the Atlanteans lacked the rejuvenation technology Sirians enjoy today but were able to self-rejuvenate to a longer life than that lived by their modern descendants. He confirms as well Atlantis had airships and craft that traveled underwater through remote control which would explain how some were able to escape to safety. On a personal note, he does provide an answer to an issue I had with him when I was left without his guidance back in Sedona when he was being channeled by someone other than Mark. That person moved to New Zealand at a critical point in my development but I can't fault the reason Omal gives for my experience. He finishes his time speaking by acknowledging that the human species got a shot in the arm genetically at about the time science acknowledges the same thing, just not in a similar way in both cases. Science and Sirians have yet to meet but that might not be how it is in the future. Karra comes on to use up most of what is left of the side to follow-up on what Omal and I discussed about Atlantis. This is about an experiment started then that is still running where her and I plus Mark, Kiri, and Tia all play a part with the help of Ashtar Command to guide the experiment along though this revelation comes as a surprise. What the end result is the question she brings up and is one that has to remain an unknown for the time being. The end of the tape is coming up so we wrap up with Karra who is hesitant to delve deeper into the goal of the experiment being as she has more of the answer and could inadvertently reveal more than she should. We then give the couple minutes left of tape to work with Tia on her role was with us in Atlantis but the tape before we can get far on the subject.
KIRI Co-Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
TIA Co-Ring Mistress RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(0:00)- Kiri and I discuss a theory that places with less light have people with more developed mental powers. She brings up the point that Atlantis would be an exception because the colonists already had psychic abilities.
3.)(21:49)- Karra gives a Carrie a long-distance health review from information provided by Tia and gets from her a report on her marriage. They did not know yet that a daughter was in their future.

1.)(0:00)- Carrie reveals to Karra her goal of self-healing she has set for herself where all thoughts of negativity are replaced by thinking just the opposite.
2.)(4:36)- Omal covers the timeline of Atlantis from its colonization to its final destruction and how the survivors integrated with man's early ancestors. We continue that timeline all the way to the present from my meeting him through another channel to now through Mark.
3.)(32:23)- We stay on subject as Karra poses the question of how an experiment started in another body 50,000 years ago would end from all the players then reuniting to resolve the karma of the past.
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(Kiri helps out as ring mistress while Tia prepares)

Kiri: okay, let us say hello and greetings.

Russ: hello, greetings, how's it going?

Kiri: it's going fine.

Russ: all right, so, you ring mistress or something?

Kiri: temporarily until Tia sorts herself out.

Russ: what’s wrong with Tia?

Kiri: you're going to have to ask Tia.

Russ: from a visual viewpoint?

Kiri: well she’s a bit flushed in the face but that’s about it.

Russ: oh, understandable.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay good. Hey, is there less light on Sirius than there is on earth?

Kiri: are we talking third dimensional or sixth dimensional?

Russ: third dimensional.

Kiri: no, there is more.

Russ: there is more light huh?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that shoots down that theory.

Kiri: what theory?

Russ: oh, someone came up with a theory that because the aliens who visit Earth….

Kiri: uh-huh, have big eyes.

Russ: well that’s one thing and also the fact that people who seem to be......have alien genes seem to be more light-sensitive.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: originally aliens coming from one place had less light.

Kiri: well that’s possible. You think about mental evolution, where there is less light, people tend to be more psychically in tune. You take the Celts….

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: there’s less light there right?

Russ: right.

Kiri: you take the tribes of the northern Plains of America, far North such as the Eskimos.

Russ: what about like southern tip of South America or southern Africa or…..?

Kiri: South America? Again, you've got the stormy climate.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: again there's less light.

Russ: you don't see much in the way of higher consciousness though.

Kiri: you're forgetting the Incas are long gone.

Russ: but then you have Atlantis which is almost right on the equator…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: lots of psychic activity there.

Kiri: yes but that was because they were an alien species, they already had the abilities.

Russ: that’s true.

Kiri: and don't forget it all goes back to a genius genetic messing around while somebody's being very naughty.

Russ: not naughty, accomplishing purposes but we're going to get into that later on.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so what's the schedule tonight anyways since you're temporary ring mistress?

Kiri: well there’s Karra's here, there’s Omal here, there’s myself, Tia's outside I believe and Alana.

Russ: oh good. I mean with Carrie, how do you want to…..

Kiri: ummmm….

Russ: want to wait till Tia gets back in?

Kiri: yeah, wait until Tia gets in, wait until her sister mind gets here.

Russ: oh okay, cool enough.

Kiri: okay, now……

Russ: Carrie’s supposed to call at 8:30 or some time in that general area.

Kiri: well I'm not even going to attempt to look at the watch, last time it was a bit of a strain.

Russ: 8:50.

Kiri: she's probably fallen asleep, you'd have to ask her sister mind when her sister mind finally sits down and stops pouting.

Russ: pouting? Okay, it's going to be one of those sessions huh?

Kiri: okay, here we go, we're going to put on the ring mistress.

Russ: all right.

(Tia is finally ready and takes over as ring mistress)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: hello.

Russ: how’s it going love?

Tia: fine I think.

Russ: hmm, I'll go with that.

Tia: okay, let’s talk to my sister mind.

Russ: okay.

(we hear a button get pushed and a ring from Carrie's phone)

Tia: you can talk first.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: hello.

Russ: hello love.

Tia: hello.

Carrie: I’m sorry, my sponsor was here.

Tia: ohhh.

Russ: that’s why you didn’t call.

Carrie: well, I was getting ready to or I was waiting for him to take off and I was going to give you guys a call.

Russ: hmm.

Carrie: what are you guys doing?

Russ: channeling session.

Carrie: well I know that.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: how is everybody?

Russ: well, I’m doing good. Tia’ll have to ask Tia herself here.

Tia: I'm doing fine.

Carrie: have you heard of course about my new business?

Tia: yes I've heard and I've seen and I've listened.

Carrie: oh it's fantastic.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: so anyway no, it’s going good.

Tia: that’s great.

Carrie: we're just going through the growing and the learning and the.......we’ve only been in it a couple months and well of course I do my frustrating, kicking, stomping, raging thing but, I'll get over it right?

Tia: you’ll have to talk to Russ about frustrating, kicking, stomping routines. Thumping routines, banging on walls.

Carrie: oh.

Tia: banging his......

Carrie: well, I’m not that bad yet.

Tia: banging his little head.

Carrie: who?

Tia: banging his head on walls.

Carrie: who is?

Tia: Russ.

Russ: I hit a ceiling coming out of the magic room, you know where it comes down over the stairs?

Carrie: yeah.

Russ: yeah, smacked my head into that thing.

Carrie: ouch Russ, you'd think as many times as you’ve been in that magic room you'd know not to.

Tia: oops.

Russ: I know, it's still hurting.

Carrie: you’re not growing are you?

Russ: no, I’m drinking a beer.

Carrie: huh?

Russ: I’m drinking a beer.

Tia: he’s drinking an adult beverage.

Carrie: you guys keep cutting off.

Tia: he’s drinking an adult beverage.

Carrie: uh-huh, uh-huh.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: okay, there we go.

Tia: is that better?

Carrie: I heard that. I was thinking of having one myself but Mike drank the last one.

Tia: oh, of course you’re old enough to drink those aren’t you?

Carrie: yes, I am.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I have been for two years now.

Tia: yeah, party at Carrie's.

Carrie: a year I guess. No, 21, 22, a year and a half.

Tia: year and a half, you’re just a youngster.

Carrie: I’m just a baby.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: but I’m growing at rapid speeds.

Tia: oh that’s great, that’s great, got a long way to go there.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: don’t we all. So what are we going to talk about?

Carrie: oh I don’t know, what would you like to talk about?

Tia: astral travel.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I haven’t been doing any.

Tia: no but you’ve been having weird dreams though haven’t you?

Carrie: oh boy I tell you, some really strange ones.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: but they’re really comfortable ones because we finally got a bed.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: it’s like brand-new.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: we only paid $250.00 for it.

Tia: and it’s made out of nice wood.

Carrie: yeah, it’s got really pretty………it’s got a really pretty headboard, I mean not what I would invest in but….

Tia: and it’s very bouncy too.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: it’s a very bouncy too.

Carrie: ha ha, will you stop that? You’re not supposed to do that Tia.

Tia: hey I can’t help it, I come over and what are you two doing?

(Carrie starts giggling)

Tia: so I go sit on the roof.

Carrie: well that’s okay.

Tia: yes, I apologize.

Carrie: I have no shame, I’m not shy.

Tia: uh-huh, yes, I noticed that.

Carrie: umm let’s see, anything new in the stars?

Tia: no, not anything exciting, just that we will carry on towing you around in your dreams.

Carrie: I know, I’ve been so how would you say? Excuse my language clusterf**ked. My mind is just a wandering basket case but I’m getting right back on the right track, at least I’m getting back to my positive energy.

Tia: uh-huh, and you're healing nicely according to Karra.

Carrie: yeah, I am.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I feel fantastic.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I really do, I feel great, especially without that job…….

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know?

Tia: when are you guys planning a family?

Carrie: oh, well we’ve been trying.

Tia: it takes quite a bit of practice you know.

Carrie: I know.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I know it does.

Tia: but patience.

Carrie: I know it needs that too.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: but it’s okay, I figure if it happens it will and if it’s not.......if it doesn’t then it's just not meant to be.

Tia: yeah, it’s a matter of just being patient and relaxing and enjoying it.

Carrie: my biggest problem is not thinking about it…

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: that’s what I need to learn.

Tia: yes, practice is the most important rule, it’s a lot of fun too.

Carrie: yep we do that.

Tia: uh-huh yes, I do it a lot as well, I like practicing.

(Carrie laughs a little)

Tia: it keeps me nice and warm and keeps my engine going.

Carrie: that’s the best part about it.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: no, I have to not think about it…

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I guess a lot of women I talk to, they say that when they stopped trying basically is when they got pregnant.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: when they stopped thinking about it is when they did. And that’s really weird…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? You’d think that the human body, if you think about it, you produce it.

Tia: not always, not always.

Carrie: I know.

Tia: but you have to remember, I don’t have a human body.

Carrie: (Carrie starts laughing) what? Okay, well explain this to me, now I know you guys have explained your face to me, what is your body like?

Tia: it’s humanoid but I have a lighter bone structure, I have one third more bones than you guys do….

Carrie: that’s a lot of bones.

Tia: uh-huh, they’re very small bones. I’m a lot more flexible, I can flip back over and scratch my ear with my foot.

Carrie: that’s very flexible.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: that’s too flexible.

Tia: no it’s not. I have retractable fingernails.

Carrie: ohhh, that’s wild.

Tia: uh-huh, it’s great in a fight.

Carrie: I wish mine would grow.

Tia: yeah, it’s great in a fight. It’s also great when I get really going.

Carrie: I’ll bet.

Tia: wreeeowww. I’m five-foot-two as you know, I have slightly pointed ears, no smart comments Russ. I have catlike eyes.

Carrie: that'd be cool.

Tia: uh-huh, it is very cool, I like them, I wouldn’t want my eyes any other way. What else? I have five toes, five fingers, don’t have any extra joints, I’m slightly different construction lower down in the pleasure department. You still there?

Carrie: yeah I’m here.

Tia: oh. Uh-huh, it’s slightly further forward and slightly higher up than you guys.

Carrie: well that’s kind of weird.

Tia: well I think you guys are just as weird.

Carrie: oh I know, I mean I don’t mean to offend you, I mean my visual image you know?

Tia: uh-huh.

(Carrie starts laughing)

Carrie: I’ve been working a lot with my creative mind lately.

Tia: it’s good for you.

Carrie: it’s been getting out of hand.

Tia: not that far up, it's about half an inch, about half an inch further up than yours is.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: uh-huh and of course I’m smaller as well.

Carrie: wow, that would be like….

Tia: really bugs my eyes out and Russ is sitting there blushing like crazy.

Carrie: Tia, you’re probably going to get really mad at me….

Tia: why?

Carrie: but I’m taking my cat in tomorrow morning to get declawed and neutered.

Tia: neutered I agree with, declawed no but I’ll let that ride, you have your reasons.

Carrie: I have to.

Tia: yeah, he’s an indoor cat.

Carrie: she’s tearing up everything.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: she tears up me.

Tia: well she’s only a kitten.

Carrie: I know but she’s just…..and not only that, the landlord told me that it was basically in our contract…..

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: you know?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I really hate to but I have to.

Tia: well if you have to you have to but I’ll let it ride but just this once. But I do agree with getting her spayed.

Carrie: yeah spayed, that’s it.

Tia: uh-huh, neutered is what you do to guys….

Carrie: yep….

Tia: and spayed…..

Carrie: I got in an argument about that once.

Tia: uh-huh and spayed is…

Carrie: I asked for that and got it rubbed in my face.

Tia: yeah, spaying is what they do to us.

Carrie: doing what?

Tia: that’s what they do to us when they fix us, spay us.

Carrie: spaying, yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: yep. Yep, I have to because we’ve got five kittens that we don’t know to do with right now.

Tia: ohhh.

Carrie: oh and they’re so cute, have you seen them?

Tia: no I haven’t actually, they seem to hide although we did have three little kittens here.

Carrie: you had three kittens there?

Tia: well they've gone now, the mother moved them and I’m not saying where.

Carrie: ohhh. Wait, your kittens?

Tia: no, not my kittens.

Carrie: oh, kittens at Russ’.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: oh okay.

Tia: gets a little bit convoluted at times doesn’t it?

Carrie: we had to take her away from her kittens.

Tia: oh how come?

Carrie: because in order for them to spay her she had to be taken away from them…

Tia: oh.

Carrie: her milk could dry up.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and also because they would only let us to have her.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: they wouldn't let us to have our kittens.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and her kittens are still at mom and grandma’s so they’re getting fed and they're really well taken care of.

Tia: well they don’t need the mother once they're over six weeks really.

Carrie: no they don’t and they're like ten weeks old.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: you know what was really weird? Oh my God, my cat put me in an uproar the other day.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I was leaving the house and you know she’s been through a lot lately.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: and I was leaving the house and I went to say goodbye to her and I look down and she was crying tears like a human.

Tia: hmmm.

Carrie: tears were coming off her cheeks, they were dripping on my hands. And I grabbed her and held onto her and I was holding her and I was rocking her and I started crying myself. I started crying, I was talking to her, I was going, “baby what’s wrong, what’s wrong”. And she was laying her head up against me and I thought she was sick.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: and it blew me away, I have never seen a cat on third dimension cry like that.

Tia: well cats, they suffer from what's it? Post….

Carrie: partum depression.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: it was really weird, I felt this whole emotional connection with my cat.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I mean she’s my buddy, she is my best friend.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: she walks around the house and talks to me.......

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: like as if I know what she's talking about. So I'll just talk to her and she’ll just talk to me and if I don’t, if I do not pick her up when I walk in the house, she'll follow me until I do.

Tia: uh-huh, sounds a little bit like Mark's cat. Mark has long, drawn-out conversations with his cat and they don’t understand what each other is saying.

Carrie: but you feel like it.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it's so wild, it's so cool. It's like I mean she was totally heaven sent.

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: she was but now I have to take her in and get her fixed and oh I feel so bad but......

Tia: don’t feel bad about it, she’s had one litter.

Carrie: I know.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I wanted to keep one of the kittens but the landlord said we couldn’t and I told her……..because I told her I wouldn't move in without my cat because she at first she told me that no pets.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I told her, I said, "then I won’t move in" and she said, "well why not?" And I said, "because I won’t get rid of my cat." That’s just purely inhuman....

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: you know? I said, "I just won’t do that".

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: and then she went, "okay a cat as long as it’s declawed". I said, "okay".

Tia: oh that’s cool.

Carrie: but I’m getting kicked out of the bedroom.

Tia: somebody wants to go to sleep huh?

Carrie: baby you want to talk, you want to say hi? Here, Mike wants to say hi.

Tia: hello Mike.

Mike: hello.

Tia: hello Mike, how’s it going?

Mike: all right, how are you?

Tia: oh excellent, awesome.

Russ: hi Mike.

Mike: hi.

Russ: what’s up bud?

Tia: yes? Russ says what’s up bud?

Mike: oh working.

Tia: ahhh and how’s business going?

Mike: pretty good.

Tia: so you got a big job coming up soon huh?

Mike: yep.

Tia: oh that’s great, keep you busy and occupied and lots of work.

Mike: lots, too much.

Tia: so you don’t have much time at home then?

Mike: nope.

Tia: not as much as one would like right?

Mike: right.

Tia: right, makes it all the more pleasurable when you do have time at home.

Mike: yep.

Tia: uh-huh.

Mike: yeah it does.

Russ: hey Mike, how’s your home brewing going along? You ever start that at all?

Mike: no, not yet.

Russ: planning on it at all in the future or just no time?

Mike: yeah I’m going to.

Tia: you have a backyard don’t you?

Mike: is yours any good?

Russ: ahh no, I’m still buying mine from the store dude.

Tia: you have a backyard right?

Mike: yeah well, kind of, not very much.

Tia: yeah but it’s enough room to grow hops right?

Mike: probably.

Tia: how about growing some hops? They like the heat.

Mike: I don’t know if they’d let me, we're renting, I don't know if they'd let me.

Tia: well if you tell them it will improve the look of the backyard.

Mike: that it will, yeah.

Tia: yeah it will, it will make it look very nice. If you grow it in what’s the word? An arbor, arboretum so it’s kind of all trestled up over forming an arch?

Mike: yeah that'd be kinda cool.

Tia: uh-huh, I’ve been taking lessons in how to plant gardens.

Russ: cool man, well tell you what, we'll get some brews going here me and you and we'll start trading back and forth.

Mike: okay.

Russ: see how they come out.

Tia: I’ve got another question, how’s the heat affecting you guys?

Mike: oh man, it’s bad.

Tia: that’s what I hear.

Russ: oh yeah right, you guys got a heat wave there don’t you?

Mike: yeah, it’s getting better now.

Tia: yeah with the heat the water evaporates into the air…

Mike: bugs are everywhere.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh yeah, that’s right.

Tia: yes, no eight-legged varieties right?

Mike: oh there’s some.

Tia: yeah, I bet Carrie has fun with those.

Mike: oh yeah, she always yells. She sucks them up with a vacuum.

(we start laughing)

Tia: good one, good one.

Russ: cool.

Tia: I wonder how she’d get on with the variety of spiders we have on my planet. They have 10 legs and they're big, mean puppies.

Mike: she wouldn’t like that.

Tia: no, they’ll suck a mouse dry in nothing flat.

Mike: she says don’t even think about it.

Tia: yeah they don’t like us, the spiders on my home planet. They avoid us, mainly because we squash them.

Mike: yep. She won’t even do that, she either yells for me or she just sucks them up with a vacuum. She can’t smash them with anything, she thinks they'll jump on her.

Tia: uh-huh.

Mike: she wouldn’t even touch one, even if it was dead she wouldn’t touch it.

Tia: I don’t blame her, they can be pretty nasty the bigger ones. We have ones that can grow up to a foot in body size.

Mike: whoa.

Tia: yeah, they’re big and those are the ones you don’t mess with because they’re highly poisonous.

Mike: that's real big.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: all right dude, well we'll catch you later amigo.

Mike: all right.

Russ: you have a good sleep now.

Mike: I will.

Tia: yeah, sleep well.

Mike: bye.

Russ: bye man.

Carrie: hello.

Russ: hey baby.

Carrie: hello?

Tia: hello.

Carrie: oh, okay. I was going to say, you guys better not have hung up.

Tia: just teasing.

Carrie: so in this new business, you know it is so positive?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: it is so motivational, it is so cool.

Tia: that’s what we used to do to you is motivate you, remember?

Carrie: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: but I lost it for a while.

Tia: yes well, all that moving and everything does do that.

Carrie: oh yeah it does.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: slows you down big-time but yeah it’s fantastic, I mean it’s just like, it talks about so much… know we get positive tapes every week, we get positive books a month….

Tia: yeah, book of the month.

Carrie: and you can go to the functions that you can buy the stuff….

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: for all the positive and motivational stuff and like right now I’m reading a book called "Believe and Achieve" and another one called "The Art of Understanding Your Mate" and Mike’s reading "Network of Champions".

Tia: yes, yeah!!!

Carrie: have you read it?

Tia: no I haven’t.

Carrie: oh. So you know it’s just fantastic, it’s really boosting us along.

Tia: uh-huh. I’m going to put on the doctor so I’ll see you shortly sister mind.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: okay you take care of yourself.

Carrie: you too.

Tia: and I’m going to put the doctor on.

Carrie: bye.

(Karra takes her turn talking to Carrie)

Karra: hello, greetings.

Carrie: hi Karra.

Karra: how are you doing Carrie?

Carrie: fine, how are you?

Karra: well I’m doing wonderful.

Carrie: great.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: that’s good to hear.

Karra: yes…..

Carrie: I’m doing wonderful myself.

Karra: yes I know, Tia gives me full medical reports.

Carrie: well, I’m doing really good. Tomorrow I’ve got to call and set up a doctors appointment for this month.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: all my physicals have come back negative except for the last one.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but I’m not too worried about it because like I mean here you should know that 90% of them come back….

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: positive with some kind of something.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: so….

Karra: and there is one tiny thing that's a little black spot right? And that involves nicotine.

Carrie: yes……

Karra: I know that tone.

Carrie: I had my lungs x-rayed last month and they’re doing great.

Karra: uh-huh, that’s good.

Carrie: so I just got to quit before they get bad.

Karra: that’s right. You see I just have to bring that up just to niggle you a little bit.

Carrie: I know, I know. No I haven’t quit yet. I need to but I haven’t yet.

Karra: yes, I know. Just keep on trying, one of these times when you do try you will succeed.

Carrie: yep, I believe that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I know that. I just got to build myself up so strong to the point where I don’t need them anymore.

Karra: uh-huh and you remember our discussion we had last time?

Carrie: of what matter?

Karra: on how to spice up things?

Carrie: on how to do what?

Karra: spice up your marriage?

Carrie: oh, yeah?

Karra: that seems to have worked wonders doesn’t it?

Carrie: oh, we’ve just been doing fantastic.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: we’ve been working on everything together and we've been doing really good.

Karra: uh-huh, I’m thinking of getting Russ to write a book on it.

Carrie: on what?

Karra: on how to spice up one’s marriage.

Carrie: how to spice up one’s marriage?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: with a little information from overhead huh?

Karra: yes.

Carrie: that would be cool, I’ll bet it would be a great bestseller.

Karra: oh it would be.

Carrie: oh yeah, definitely. I think it’s something people here on earth need a lot more.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: they need to get laid a lot more.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: excuse my expression.

Karra: we all do from time to time.

Carrie: true. I don’t know about you guys but I know here, people do, definitely. Might loosen some people up.

Karra: well, my little sister is constantly at it. When she’s not working, she’s thinking about it and when she’s not thinking about it she’s doing it.

Carrie: well, there’s nothing wrong with that.

Karra: no Kiri’s full of energy on it.

Carrie: that’s good.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I think people would be a lot less stressed if they did a little more.

Karra: uh-huh, I quite agree. It’s a great reliever of tension.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: oh yeah definitely. Yep, nope, we’re doing really, really good. I mean we're building on our communication, our friendship……

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: our sex, everything.

Karra: yes and Tia says that you have a lack of herbal plants in your house.

Carrie: a what?

Karra: a lack of herbal plants.

Carrie: yes we do.

Karra: uh-huh.

Karra: but what I was thinking was you’ve got access to plant pots right?

Carrie: to what?

Karra: plant pots, plant holders?

Carrie: yeah, I could get some.

Karra: what I was thinking for the winter what you could do is you could grow them inside so you have a supply all the year around.

Carrie: it wouldn’t be too cold?

Karra: well inside it wouldn’t be.

Carrie: I have a beautiful bay window that faces the river, could I put them there?

Karra: yeah, the light comes in through there doesn’t it?

Carrie: yeah it does.

Karra: uh-huh, if Tia’s information is right, that’s where it comes in through most of the day.

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: it’s real strong during the midday.

Karra: yeah, that’s the best time so during the winter that would be the perfect place.

Carrie: okay, I’ll go ahead and do that. I got my teddy bears there right now and I can just go ahead and put the plants behind the teddy bears.

Karra: uh-huh and Tia says there's a heating vent or area near there.

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: so that in the winter there would be plenty of warmth there for them.

Carrie: yeah, there should be.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but yeah, that’s a good idea. I’ll.....ow, ow, stop, ow, no, ow………see, that’s why those claws are going.

Karra: yes, you need a Band-Aid for that?

Carrie: I’m sorry what?

Karra: do you need a Band-Aid for that?

Carrie: no, I just took one off from yesterday too. Boy, she’s nasty with those claws.

Karra: maybe you ought to clip them first before you get her declawed.

Carrie: I’ve already had them clipped.

Karra: oh.

Carrie: just a front ones, I’m just getting the front ones.

Karra: yeah, well she needs the back ones for climbing trees.

Carrie: yeah, well the back ones, I believe that they should……at least if you get the front one’s taken off, the back ones, they still have protection.

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: they can still protect themselves somewhat.

Karra: uh-huh and they don’t scratch with the back ones as much.

Carrie: no. Well she does, she kicks off with her feet….

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it drives me crazy because she'll kick you with all four.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: but....we have a Venus fly trap….

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: but he’s not eating.

Karra: well is it warm enough out there for him?

Carrie: oh yeah, it’s plenty warm.

Karra: uh-huh and it’s nice and humid?

Carrie: oh yes, very nice and humid.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: believe me, the humidity here, I can’t even stand.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: it’s horrible. Last week, did you hear about our heat front?

Karra: yes I heard about that.

Carrie: yes, it was horrible. I mean I did not leave the house.

Karra: yes, well Russ told me that it was quite unbearable there.

Carrie: but people, they just overwork themselves. I mean Mike came home a couple days from work sick.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: there was a lot of people here that got sick during that time because they just work and they sweat and then they stop sweating.

Karra: yeah. Oh, that’s a big, big danger sign.

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: and……

Carrie: but they still keep working after they stop sweating…..

Karra: the antidote for that…..

Carrie: and what people don’t realize is once you stop sweating that means you’re out of fluids.

Karra: uh-huh. The thing is to keep drinking lots of water….

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: eat salt crisps, chips, salt chips…..

Carrie: yep.

Karra: and drink…..

Carrie: the water and the salt going through your body.

Karra: uh-huh yeah, just keep pumping it in and if it gets the point where you're unbearably hot, something that works very well is a cold shower.

Carrie: you know, I used to……can you take hot showers?

Karra: ummm…….

Carrie: like hot.

Karra: no, not really, not advisable.

Carrie: oh, okay.

Karra: yeah a cold shower because you’ve got the lower the body temperature down. What happens is that the internal core temperature goes up right?

Carrie: uh-huh.

Karra: and if you have a hot shower, that drives it up even farther.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: so you have a cold shower and you bring the body temperature down which in turn brings the internal temperature down.

(we hear Russ arranging things in the background)

Carrie: what is he doing?

Karra: I don’t know.

Russ: just cleaning up a little bit.

Karra: yes, last week, this will make you chuckle, Russ went off rafting and his friend that he went rafting with lost his keys. Tia was set up for a channeling session so Russ didn't show up, Mark was already……..




(Karra gets back to her conversation with Carrie)

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: cool.

Karra: yeah, Tia was really busy.

Carrie: say yeah for Tia.

Karra: uh-huh. Well I’m going to put on the engineer.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: okay so you take care of yourself.

Carrie: I will and I’ll keep my health and my positive attitude and…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I’m working on a major project….

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I’ve got a clue you in on this before you go.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: my major project is curing myself of a disease. The disease is pure negativity.

Karra: that’s very good.

Carrie: I’m curing myself of that being I truly believe that if you’re told something all your life you become that something.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I was told all my life I was sick so my body became sick and now I’m trying to cure myself of that process of thinking and cure myself of that disease.

Karra: that’s great, that is exactly what we want you to do. Now you take.......

Carrie: yep, I feel really positive about it and I don’t say I have cancer, I try to catch myself…..

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I don’t say I have cancer, I say I had.

Karra: that’s right, past tense. Anyway…….

Carrie: I had cancer or because the more I say I have….

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: the more it makes that one little cell from my brain project in through my body….

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it bursts out that sickness.

Karra: Yep.

Carrie: so if I say I had, that stops that cell from going out.

Karra: okay, we’re going to put on Kiri now.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: okay you take care of yourself.

Carrie: you too.

Karra: oh, one little thing….

Carrie: yes?

Karra: when Mike has a cold shower, watch out, it releases a lot of testosterone.

Carrie: well that’s okay, I think I’ll make him have a cold shower in the morning.

Karra: okay bye.

Carrie: bye.

(Kiri now reunites with her old friend)

Kiri: hello, yo babet.

Carrie: how’s it going?

Kiri: awesome and how’s it going for you?

Carrie: oh it’s fantastic.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: things are really looking up here.

Kiri: that’s great.

Carrie: they’re really starting to.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: yep, I’m real excited.

Kiri: yeah, me too.

Carrie: you are?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: about what, or should I ask?

Kiri: oh just my usual hormonal imbalance.

Carrie: okay, that’s what I figured.

Kiri: uh-huh, we embarrassed Russ last week.

Carrie: why, what did you do to him?

Kiri: oh we didn’t do anything, we just got a little bit horny up here.

Carrie: oh, another one of those huh?

Kiri: yes it was but there was nobody in authority present so we got a little bit free and risqué so we had him blushing.

Carrie: it’s good for him.

Kiri: oh yes it is.

Carrie: keeps him on his toes.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay well, we’ll let you finish to talking to Russ.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: okay? And big hugs and kisses from all of us.

Carrie: oh, me too definitely.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and you guys take care, thanks for calling me.

Kiri: oh we will and Tia says she’s going to drop by tomorrow night.

Carrie: okay, I’ll be here.

Kiri: yeah, she says won't come by too early.

Carrie: okay yeah, not too early.

Kiri: uh-huh, she says she’s going to come by midnight of your time.

Carrie: I should be here.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I should hope to be here.

Kiri: okay she says 1:30 then.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: okay, I’ll see you later.

Carrie: okay take care.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: hi love.

Carrie: huh?

Russ: hi love.

Carrie: are you there?

Russ: yeah, I’m here.

Carrie: are they cutting off the channeling session?

Russ: no, no, they’re just changing people.

Carrie: oh okay. Well I don’t want to keep you too long.

Russ: okay love. Well anyway, I'll give you a call back and talk about computers and stuff later on.

Carrie: yeah please do because if you can order them from me that would be so awesome, that would help me meet my goal.

Russ: all right?

Carrie: you’re so cool, thanks for giving me the chance, I like that.

Russ: we’ll see if it works.

Carrie: oh it will, we'll work on something.

Russ: okay love.

Carrie: okay bye.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: bye.

Carrie: bye.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: wh.....

(we hear a dial tone)

Russ: you too darling.

Kiri: you cut her off?

Russ: well I thought she had already left.

Kiri: are we on to the other side?

Russ: well yeah.

Kiri: whoa, time flies doesn’t it?

Russ: uh-huh, yes it does.

Kiri: okay.

(Omal rekindles some old memories)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: and how are you functioning?

Russ: headache's gone away, I’m doing pretty good then.

Omal: good, let us proceed with due haste as is necessary.

Russ: alrighty. Pretty much everything I’ve got here is going to take like the rest of the tape......

Omal: okay.

Russ: are you in any rush?

Omal: no I’m not.

Russ: okay, because we’ve got a lot of stuff to go over here.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay, of the seven races that came to Atlantis, was one a race that was practically non-corporeal at some time or any time?

Omal: afterwards.

Russ: after?

Omal: after Atlantis.

Russ: which would put it where?

Omal: they became a different form after Atlantis.

Russ: you mean those that died?

Omal: yes, their species died out on your planet......

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: but in essence they stayed.

Russ: oh. So did they come in the original five races…..or I mean seven races?

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh I see, and then they died but they stayed on instead of going onto another plane of existence, they stayed on the planet.

Omal: correct.

Russ: now is this what we would go ahead and call the devas or elves or spirits?

Omal: in essence yes, in essence yes. It’s a little bit more complicated and that in itself to explain would take approximately one of your hours.

Russ: can we work on that sometime, maybe in sections or something?

Omal: in sections would be more useful.

Russ: like little bits at a time I'm saying.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: because just to explain what they are now and where they are now were to take approximately as I said one of your hours. To explain them in full detail, you are talking of somewhere in the region of possibly 24 hours to explain their full history from when they arrived to what they are.

Russ: well, to shorten things, what is my connection with them and why do I feel so connected with them?

Omal: the connection is of what you did to them.

Russ: what did I do to them?

Omal: as a geneticist, you used their material against their will…..

Russ: oh.

Omal: and you're trying to right that.

Russ: okay, so by going through and working with you a little bit on this will help me better understand to be able to hopefully correct those imbalances that I caused.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so now more than ever I'd like to definitely work on this in sections.

Omal: okay.

Russ: good, thank you. Alrighty, now we have…..I’ve been working on the book “Edgar Cayce on Atlantis” and in that, we're working on two groups of people at a point that became very antagonistic. And one was called the Sons of Belial and one was called the Sons of the Laws of One or the Law of One.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: are you familiar with that at all?

Omal: you know what the law of one is.

Russ: I’m going to assume that means unity.

Omal: not quite, the Golden Rule, the only rule.

Russ: do onto others?

Omal: uh-huh, correct.

Russ: okay, now I’m assuming I’m not of that camp back then, I’m on the other side.

Omal: correct.

Russ: but Mark is on that camp.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now, they were based on two brothers, one was called Belial and one was called Atlan who was a prince of Atlantis. Just offhand, that’s not another name for Maxxus and Naxxus would it?

(the names of Mark and myself as we were known then)

Omal: the names are irrelevant.

Russ: okay, I understand. Okay the Sons of the Law of One were a pure race, they wanted to stay a pure race, sort of like the Sons of God whereas the Sons of Belial, they projected themselves into creatures apparently and became Sons of Men, I’m not sure how that worked. I would think that was more like......that dealt with what I did.

Omal: yes, genetic tampering.

Russ: genetic tampering is what I thought it might be.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: because the way it was said in the channeling from Edgar Cayce that you couldn't put it in genetics form……

Omal: no.

Russ: so that’s what he came up or the channel did. Okay now the conflict took place before the first destruction or led to so I’m assuming because we were first comers…….

Omal: yes, the antagonistic ones.

Russ: right, that this is part of the first destruction that came upon it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and so…..

Omal: if you remember that Atlantis was at its height when you two had your disagreement.

Russ: right, so this would be just prior to 50,000 B.C. then.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now the Sons of Belial used material things for self and the Sons of the Law of the One, they believed that the soul was given by the creator or entered from outside sources into a true projection of the mental and spiritual self at given periods.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now does this mean that they were talking about incarnations?

Omal: yes, they were talking about levels of existence and development mentally.

Russ: I see and the Sons of Belial were more into the material now and……

Omal: correct.

Russ: here and now and not trying to raise themselves up so much as what’s going on right now with themselves.

Omal: yes…..

Russ: okay, I understand.

Omal: in essence.

Russ: and that’s where the conflict came in……..sort of.

Omal: sort of yes.

Russ: okay, we’ll work on more of that here in a while so…..

Omal: you have to remember I have to be very careful with what I say.

Russ: right, well I understand.

Omal: notice I’m not giving you any explanations, it is a wide catch-it-all.

Russ: well that’s because you want me to learn on my own and……

Omal: partly yes and partly due to the fact that we are walking a tightrope.

Russ: right, so I’m giving you information that I’ve learned that we'll just work on it as we go.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m not really looking for any big explanations anyway.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right, rejuvenation techniques were used back then apparently and they would allow for up to a thousand years of life.

Omal: no.

Russ: they weren’t used?

Omal: there were not used.

Russ: oh, so they didn’t have rejuvenation technology yet.

Omal: no, the bodies were self-rejuvenating.

Russ: for up to a thousand years of life?

Omal: oh and a little bit longer.

Russ: that’s funny, they don’t do that on Sirius anymore even.

Omal: no, it is an advancement in technology and it is unfortunate that that is the way that it goes. You advance in technology, you lose a little bit of your life.

Russ: oh I see.

Omal: it can extend your life but it reaches a point where it does in actual fact cut down on your life.

Russ: hmmm, okay. Hmm, so that’s a little bit more understandable then.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now one thing I noticed or one item I noticed was in the time of the withdrawing from the Law of the One, the temple built in opposition of those guys was a priestess there who was creating the high influence of radial energy.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: what are they talking about radial energy, is that what Karra and I are talking about, working on natural energy?

Omal: yes, correct or I assume so, it is a little bit vague.

Russ: yeah it is, that was in the channeling though and it was like hmm, "where have I…..?"

Omal: sometimes people can be deliberately vague to mislead or vague due to the fact that they could get themselves into a whole lot of this you might say doo doo.

Russ: right, well that’s why I’m kind of trying to interpret this.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now the radial energy was apparently from the rays of the sun that were turned on crystals in the pits that made connections with the internal influence of the earth.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now we’ve talked about this before that their energy sources were a lot of it Earth connected……

Omal: yes.

Russ: Earth-based.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and so I’m assuming that’s what they’re talking about here is that same kind of…

Omal: in essence yes.

Russ: now what I don’t understand was, why if you’re using the energy of the earth, do you need the rays of the sun? Are the two connected at that point then?

Omal: you can increase the efficiency and heat of the energy that would be generated to a higher point to power whatever you wish. It is a little bit like using the crystals for focusing.

Russ: oh I see, like lasers kind of.

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh okay, understandable. All right, now they set in motion fires of the inner portions of the earth into a destructive force. Now there was two points of this I was little bit confused about and that was according to the channeling that was coming through was that there was large animal lifeforms threatening to overrun Atlantis.

Omal: yes?

Russ: and I…..nowhere have we ever talked about large animal lifeforms threatening to overrun Atlantis unless we're talking about man in it's Neanderthal state.

Omal: that is a possibility.

Russ: right.

Omal: or it could be one of those factors deliberately put in to mislead from the truth which could be harmful for some individuals.

Russ: that’s true. Now apparently the destruction that was used in the first destructive point was channeling these destructive forces and taking out portions of Atlantis and I was wondering maybe because some of the conflict we’re talking about they were also taking out homes of the Sons of the Law of One?

Omal: let me put it this way, there is an energy source in your planet’s crust that can destroy cities, what is it?

Russ: volcanoes.

Omal: no, it can be purified and made into a substance…..

Russ: oh, nuclear energy.

Omal: correct.

Russ: oh I understand. Oh so they could tap into that almost.

Omal: quite possibly yes.

Russ: oh okay. Hmm okay, now apparently also then we’ve talked about the pole shift before.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and is this the part then where we're coming into the pole shift where……? No, the pole shift came later.

Omal: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: okay right. Then it's also talking about in this channeling about air ships that were picking up ambassadors and stuff from some places and bringing them to central meeting points.

Omal: yes, very much like aircraft do today.

Russ: right. Now skipping a couple pages here, one of the things I noticed in this was that the aircraft were powered by remote control….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and they used, along with elements found and not found in earth’s atmosphere, remote control for crafts that could travel above the earth and under the water.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and maybe I was thinking that’s why me and Mark are so much into radio control.

Omal: it is possible.

Russ: it’s remindable. And then a lot of the destruction happened because they turned up the power on high for those same things that were using that and that started to break up the continents.

Omal: sounds like to me it is saying that the continents at that point were one, that is not so. That again sounds likely it was to mislead. Turning up the power, does this imply the routes the controlled vessels were traveling along or is it the power of the energy that was powering their energy sources?

Russ: that’s what I would be assuming is that they were using the same inner forces. They talk about here the terrible crystal….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and how it was a terrible, mighty crystal called the Firestone. It was surrounded by nonconductive stone like asbestos and then there was a dome over it that was pulled back for star power.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so, I do remember a crystal and working with it but I thought there was more than one so…

Omal: it is quite possible there was more than one.

Russ: so we’re just talking about just one of the main ones possibly.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, now then, one the things I’m noticing is that there was an experiment going on back then that is still going on and that is that Mark and myself kind of been working on bringing about what we failed to do back then. And I’m going to go over with Karra on that but my meeting yourself and Roger seemed to be an integral part of the plan.

(Roger Pinion, the original channel of Omal when we first met in Sedona)

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and with all that.......two things here, number one, this is a question I’ve already got the answer to but I just want to pose the question first and…..

Omal: if you have the answer, why pose the question?

Russ: well because….

Omal: you would like to see if your assumption is correct?

Russ: right. Okay, with all that could have gone wrong, what are the odds that it could’ve gone right?

Omal: just as many as could’ve gone wrong.

Russ: okay and the answer I came up with was that it’s 100% certain that it would’ve gone right due to the law of parallel lifetimes.

Omal: correct.

Russ: no matter what happened, at one point…..

Omal: that possibility always remains that it will come out as desired on whichever universe or parallel line you are following.

Russ: right.

Omal: but the question is, which is the right one?

Russ: well……

Omal: how do you know that by following this line you are doing the right thing? You have to remember, when there is a split, Ashtar Command splits off as well.

Russ: right. But still, it seems that the fact that our consciousness now is here, that it should show that we’re on the path that allows for the most maximum growth.

Omal: it is a little tricky concept for you do grasp but you could be having his exact same discussion on another line.

Russ: tricky, only because it’d have to be such an infantizemal change between this and that to get to this point.

Omal: yes.

Russ: well, that’s true.

Omal: it is possible, remember, all things are possible. The fact that Mark could be wearing a shirt that is a slightly different shade.

Russ: and that would be the only change?

Omal: possibly, he could be left-handed, you could be left-handed.

Russ: well that could give people nightmares to work out all that.

Omal: correct, that is one of the reasons we do not.

Russ: I don’t blame you. Anyway, because of all this, I just wanted to congratulate you and the Council on handling this matter because at no point back in Sedona did you ever mention Lake Tahoe as a place to go and….

Omal: we have our reasons for not mentioning things, it is called nonintervention……

Russ: right.

Omal: or minimal intervention.

Russ: but at the same time it seemed like you led Roger away at the most critical time for me.

Omal: because you needed to learn to stand. You had learned but you had not learned how to stand. We were still a crutch for you. You would ask our advice on what should you do….

Russ: right.

Omal: and that is not what we are here to do. We are here to help you stand on your own.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: I would give you long-winded explanations that were deliberately designed to be vague, misleading, point you in directions that were useful but not necessarily the goal or the direction that you wished to go.

Russ: right. But it was handled beautifully, I mean exemplary….

Omal: thank you, it takes a lot of planning and foresight and speculation on different possible outcomes.

Russ: well it led us to this point and…..

Omal: think of a hundred outcomes and there is a hundred and one. Think of those hundred and one, there is a hundred and two. It is very hard and tricky and it still not known if this is the correct decision and goals that we have been pushing for.

Russ: right, but since you’re here with me, that means there is an aspect of you with me in millions of other places also doing…….

Omal: correct and there is also where we have never met.

Russ: right, there is ones where we’ve never met. So yeah, we’re stuck on the same timeline here, parallel life so we'll just make the best of it.

Omal: it does not matter, we are together in other places.

Russ: right, so we will accomplish what we are here to do no matter what. It just takes a while to get used to the fact that there is no failure, somewhere along the way it is going correctly. The fact that you’re not there…..

Omal: correct and there is also somewhere along the way where it has gone drastically wrong.

Russ: right.

Omal: you have to remember when looking at parallel universes that you have to look at the negative as well as the positive.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: nowhere are you at the center if you follow my meaning. You’re either on the positive or the negative.

Russ: right and there is no way to determine which it is…..

Omal: correct.

Russ: until later on…..

Omal: correct, you do not know if this is the positive or the negative at this time.

Russ: right. How about can you go by feeling, like if it feels positive?

Omal: that sometimes is not always the way, that in itself can be misleading. When you speculate and make decisions, you have to go on what you would call a gut feeling. Something that may feel negative right now could turn out positive.

Russ: right.

Omal: something that feels positive could turn out bad. To quote from your popular entertainment, "it may feel fair but it is bad".

Russ: ahh. Now if I get this right, and I think I do, then we will never know if this was the right path or not because even if we look back and say, "well that brought us to here", well there is still a whole bunch more in the future…

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and so we can’t tell if that was the right or……..because the future hasn’t arrived yet even then.

Omal: correct, you are constantly struggling for better and to be on the right path.

Russ: right.

Omal: you will know that you’re heading in the right path for the time being when and if you ascend.

Russ: hmm, I see.

Omal: that is the right path at the time. Whether or not you go forward or backwards at that point again is a point of origin. If you go forward that is good, if you slide back, that may be good because there is something you need to learn.

Russ: ahhhh.

Omal: you have to remember that ascending or not ascending is not good or bad, it is just progress. Progress is what your species constantly strives for. That is a very necessary function of you.

Russ: right.

Omal: the fact that we hang little carrots in front of you to prod you along the way….

(Russ chuckles)

Russ: well that’s true.

Omal: whether or not that in itself is good or bad, one does not know.

Russ: well you might want to stick around for when I talk to Karra real quick because I’ve got a lot more to work on with her about this.

Omal: okay.

Russ: okay now, let’s go on to the last little bits as I've got here so I can break you free. All right now, after I did my work, was it carried on by other people for new races?

Omal: ohhhh, we’re walking on very thin, gray ice.

Russ: nevermind.

Omal: put it this way, your work was not completed.

Russ: ahh, all right, that’s close enough. Okay, Pyrenees is a place that some of the survivors got to…..

Omal: ahhh, the Pyrenees?

Russ: yeah, in the French Alps approximately?

Omal: no, that would be on the French, Spanish border.

Russ: is the Pyrenees?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay so that makes it about right, yeah that is what we did talk about before, okay. All right, now, there was a stone or a whole ruins uncovered in the Yucatán in 1933. Now it is part of the records of making of the facets and cuts that were used in the great crystals in Atlantis and those records were stored in three places. One was still in Atlantis, one was in the temples in Egypt and one was in the Yucatán.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now the ruins that were uncovered in the Yucatán according to this channeling has an emblem on it. They were uncovered in 1933 and they were brought to the U.S. and some of them are in the Penn State University Museum, Chicago, and Washington museums.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: would it be useful to check those out now or have we already figured out our things in our technology as it is?

Omal: it would be useful to check them out, the fact that the translations could be wrong.

Russ: hmm, so I’ll have to retranslate it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I see.

Omal: the Rosetta Stone as it were was not complete.

Russ: oh, I see.

Omal: and you are also forgetting or they were also forgetting inflection. Tia herself is a master of inflection......mistress of inflection.

Russ: so by writing stuff down doesn’t mean you’re going to get the inflection correct.

Omal: correct.

Russ: ahh, it's a dead language so….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, now apparently they had communications with Mu and also a place called Om.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now I never heard of Om ever in anything we’ve discussed.

Omal: is it a place of irrelevance at this time.

Russ: okay. And there was a place called Myra or Mayra in what is now Nevada and Colorado which some of the survivors were told to go to according to the channeling. Now, the last part we’re working on here, in according to the channeling, 22,500 was approximately the time of the second disturbance and would that be sort of correct in our timeline we're working on? In the general vicinity?

Omal: general vicinity yes, it is not an accurate translation.

Russ: okay.

Omal: you have to remember that your planet’s mathematics even at its advanced form in your term would suck.

Russ: alrighty.

Omal: for example, let me hear you count from five B.C. to five A.D.. Please, count.

Russ: five B.C., four B.C., three B.C., two B.C., one B.C., Christ and then it would be one A.D…….

Omal: there is no Christ, it goes directly from B.C. to A.C. You have one B.C., one A.D..

Russ: oh it does, oh I see.

Omal: there is no zero, there is no Christ. It goes automatically from one to the other and the fact that the birth of your person who went by the name of Christ happened somewhere between four B.C. and five A.D.. A little bit of a mathematical quandary there is there not?

Russ: tough to keep track on.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I see your point.

Omal: and the fact that your current translations, the numbers I, X, C, they use the Roman alphabet as opposed to your current Arabic numbers.

Russ: ohhh.

Omal: one to five I believe are Arabic numbers.

Russ: uh-huh, so yeah I can see the problem with trying to date back that far.

Omal: correct.

Russ: you would have a lot of discrepancies.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, now according to some ships that were...or a research ship, some columns were found 6,000 feet deep off of Peru….

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: in what’s called the Milne-Edward Deep.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and they were carved columns with writing on them.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: anyway, some of the stuff was put in some publications, so I'm going to try to see if I can't track those down and see if I can find out what the writings were.

Omal: okay, let us continue, we are short on time.

Russ: okay, last part here is......similarity between Cro-Magnon and the refugees would account for people coming up with Atlantean refugees but thinking they're Cro-Magnon.

Omal: it would also account for some, as Kiri would put it, very horny individuals.

Russ: why?

Omal: think, maybe there maybe more male survivors than female or vice a versa. Your species is inherently very horny.

Russ: oh I see, kind of a battle for women kind of thing.

Omal: uh-huh, Cro-Magnon are close enough to be not much of a problem.

Russ: all right, that’s it.

Omal: okay, I’ll be back.

Russ: okay.

(Tia steps in to make the change between speakers)

(Tia comes in speaking some Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, I’ll put on Karra.

Russ: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

(Karra is back now that Carrie has left)

Russ: hi sweetheart.

Karra: hey, how’s it going?

Russ: good love, how’s yourself?

Karra: I would’ve liked to have talked to Carrie for longer but we had to hustle a little bit.

Russ: yeah, it’s not just a Carrie session unfortunately.

Karra: unfortunately no.

Russ: all right.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I only have one major section we’re going to go over here.

Karra: okay.

Russ: okay, now we’re talking to Omal about experiments still going on….

Karra: uh-huh, with genetics.

Russ: with genetics, correct.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, I see that you and Kiri as I remember were both with us in that time period back in Atlantis anyway.

Karra: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: so it would seem like you and Kiri were reborn on Sirius as one half of the solution.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: whereas Mark and I chose a third dimensional evolvement……

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: to become the other half of the solution.

Karra: uh-huh and it is a matter of bringing the two half’s together.

Russ: correct.

Karra: to produce a whole.

Russ: right. Now certain key triggers were placed in both Mark and myself to go off at certain points to guide us to our quest for consciousness.

Karra: and us.

Russ: and you. So we came together at last with key learning experiences that we’ve all picked up, all rigged to integrate later on.

Karra: you have to remember that it is not put into a family because a family can become extinct. It has to be spread out through a whole entire species. The keys are still there for all of your earth species. It is being filtered in and fed into our species through crossbreeding.

Russ: oh I see. So what we’re doing now with our children is spreading more of those keys in.

Karra: uh-huh, it may not be completed yet. Only one person knows when it will be completed.

Russ: but the children that we have together are a key to the original goal of gaining paradise.

Karra: uh-huh and only one person can answer that question.

Russ: who’s that?

Karra: ask yourself, it’s in there somewhere dear.

Russ: yes, I know.

Karra: what was your purpose, what was your goal? To achieve what?

Russ: paradise. Achieve a peaceful existence in those conflicts.

Karra: but you were very antagonistic at the time, you have to look for the key. What we may perceive as being the goal may not be, that could just be a stepping stone. What are you trying to create, a super race? I really don’t know what the answer is, only you know.

Russ: yeah this kind of reminds me a little bit about Mark Remillard.

(from the science fiction novels by Julian May called the "Galactic Milieu Series")

Karra: that could be part of the keys put into your race.

Russ: well you know...remember how he……

Karra: yeah, the Mental Man Project.

Russ: the Mental Man Project.

Karra: yeah, I can pick it out of your mind. Yes, I know exactly where you’re going. Maybe the author is part of the project, the genetic tampering except for the fact that it is not as Mark Remillard planned it to be a quick, sudden thing but a slow, long, drawn-out thing. Maybe you weren’t as self-centered and as in a hurry as Mark
Remillard. Maybe you worked out that you could accelerate the evolution of our species by doing it by altering genetically with a primitive race?

Russ: so would I be planning for a future of now? Some 50,000 years later?

Karra: 50,000 years is but a blink of an eye.

Russ: well that’s true, especially if you live for one thousand years, that’s only 50 incarnations…….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: if you were thinking that way back then.

Karra: correct.

Russ: or if I was.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, now do our guides have sort of a stake in seeing this goal realized?

Karra: ummm yes. It is very hard to say where you were planning to go as a geneticist. What was your goals? Reach in there, see if you can find them. Not right now……

Russ: right.

Karra: but later on. What is's a better way to do it....what is your ultimate vision of where you are going? You as a species, us as a species, omnipotent?

Russ: no, but I would say higher dimensional. As I remember, we were all coming from third dimension……

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: preparing to change over to sixth dimension.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so, I would assume that we were actually going toward……

Karra: I don’t know how close or how far away we are from the answer.

Russ: right.

Karra: we can sit here and debate it all night…

Russ: no, no, no, I.......

Karra: and not achieve or be close or we could be bang on or we could hit it and then drift off again. It is so hard to hit the perfect union.

Russ: well like I was talking with Omal is that we're working on parallel lifetime’s anyway and rather…..

Karra: I prefer not to think on that because as Omal pointed out, it is a headache giver.

Russ: well that’s true.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well that’s all right.

Russ: okay, you’ve given me some good stuff to work with.

Karra: yes, given me something to think on.

Russ: what is the connection between Sirius and us and why was it set up so that it would happen the way it did?

Karra: because Sirius is the rootstock, that is the connection.

Russ: that’s it but it’s also the fact that’s it’s not just Sirius, it’s sixth dimensional Sirius. See what I mean?

Karra: ooohhh.......yeah I see what you mean but we’re walking a very tight, tight rope.

Russ: but that’s the whole point to this, is knowing where this little point is going to take us.

Karra: I could make a mistake and get myself into a lot of trouble, we have to be very careful.

Russ: well don’t, don’t.

Karra: because we’re walking as I say….

Russ: this is just like I say, I’m just talking to myself at this point.

Karra: hey, this is your nightmare, work your way out of it.

(that gets Russ chuckling)

Russ: no doubt.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well that’s no problem.

Karra: okay.

Russ: anyway love, I’ll be with you tonight anyway......

Karra: ohhh, promises, promises.

Russ: I’m going to be looking at "The Sound Of Music" and I'm going to be hooking up with you on this......

Karra: okay, w
ell I’ll see you later..
Russ: so invite Alana over if you want.

Karra: okay, bye.

(Tia returns to end the evening)

(Tia comes in catlike)

Russ: hey Tia, how’s it going?

Tia: it’s going fine.

Russ: oh good.

Tia: uh-huh. I thought that was funny.

Russ: yeah, I did too.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: but it gave me something to work on.

Tia: oh yes.

Russ: I just have to puzzle it out.

Tia: uh-huh. I thought something else was very funny as well.

Russ: oh, what’s that?

Tia: somebody getting looped on Sunday.

Russ: oh yeah, that’s right.

Tia: I thought that was absolutely hilarious.

Russ: that was good for a few laughs.

Tia: uh-huh. Hmm, so what are we going to talk about in the meantime?

Russ: I don’t know, how much time do we got?

Tia: hmm, about five minutes.

Russ: oh very little, not even that.

Tia: oh really?

Russ: yeah, uh-huh. Closing in on.....

Tia: yes, so you have to rerun the tape to find out what Omal said.

Russ: yeah.

Tia: uh-huh. Oh well……

Russ: I’m sorry, I’m just…..

Tia: oh that’s all right, your mind’s all agush and washing around in circles going lavyavayav.....

Russ: yeah, I'm looping now.


Russ: so what did Mark and myself even though we were antagonistic, and you, Kiri and Karra all had in common that we had work on later on to complete.

Tia: I don’t know, I’m not a geneticist or a healer.

Russ: yeah but you are part of the solution.

Tia: I don’t think in this body I am.

Russ: no, you’re quite wrong in that actually.


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