From Under Officer to Wing Commander-

Channeled (10/24/94 )

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Archivist Notes: This month's podcast comes with a bonus not seen in previous channeling sessions where we begin with one session and then switch to part two of the session five days later. In the first session we had set up the events we would complete in the second when the guest speaker in question could join us. The title for the session comes from the life of that guest speaker, Wing Commander Taal, who was making his first appearance as one of our teachers. Frequent readers of our website will already know Taal from his many times channeling for our group but this was his introduction to the channeling setup. It is also one of the earliest sessions our sound technician was able to make clear enough to be heard so much of what is discussed has been previously submitted to the archives. One item of note before going into the summary is that we see right away that the head of communication for Ashtar Command starting the session. Korton was actually a regular speaker in the earlier channelings and each was notable for their abundance of decorum that would be lacking once he began attending only on occasion. As we have learned in later channeling sessions from Omal, they were testing out various main speakers and it was found Omal made a better fit for when we began adding guests to our channeling sessions. The lighter mood led to more informative if distracting, recordings. One last item of note was that Omal had yet to adopt his traditional farewell of "live long and prosper" but his question he raises about Mr. Spock is a clue it was shortly after this he began to use it his departures. Now, onto the summary.

   Korton gets us started and we begin with some very deep areas of research Mark and I had been doing as far as improving our methods for getting to the base. Mark is a master of astral travel and had left questions about some rarefied knowledge related to the skill called traveling in the grey area. That meant stopping at a specific point by projecting an energy source that detonates ahead of the traveler to stop them suddenly. The tricky part was that the gray area was the fourth dimension of time and Mark was perfecting his ability to time jump, meaning return in the time stream after ninety minutes had passed in real time but actually leaving the base after being there sixteen hours. When the term time translocation comes up, this is what is being discussed. My questions mirror Mark's in that I too was trying to use implosions but for the purpose of making my astral body more solid. We end with Korton's advice on how to help a friend of ours who had come to me for help with astral projection. Next came Omal to get us ready for side two which would take place in five days. The Command had decided the viewpoint from one of the pilots of the base's craft would help give our archives knowledge on how that part of the base operated. Before that though we had a bit of fictional entertainment to discuss. Mark had just seen a "Star Trek" film on the televisions and we had each been reading a book series called the "Galactic Milieu Series". Both sets of entertainment focused around inhabitants of other planets so it was relevant to our normal topics. Not relevant but important for my training was Omal's helping me with my manifesting abilities by making a penny appear out of thin air, always good for a laugh. After setting up the arrangements for our time with the pilot, we finish with his request for the details on an incident where Mark had to use his coercion. That left Karra to get us to the next side with a few topics to go over such as an energy transfer done during a demonstration which caused physical bruising on Mark's hand for a couple of days. Included was an exchange of poems between Karra and myself as well as some barnstorming of ideas on how to improve my astral travel. We end on a topic we would get back to when the next side started about genetics and human DNA.

   We get less than two minutes of completion on the question of genetics before we jump ahead five days into the future as our scheduled special guest is introduced by Omal. A change in background sound denotes the new session starting with the base commander having to stretch out the introduction because the guest speaker was swapping flying techniques with Mark as Mark was leaving the channeling room after going solid. At least the time allows him to confirm that this is our guest speaker's first time in a channeling situation so the results were anyone's guess. Omal departs and we finally meet Under Officer Taal who we know one day would make wing commander. After some time getting to know one another he answers a question on what types of visitors we get to our planet and a surprising number are scientists studying everything about our planet as well as our ancient ancestors. A startling revelation happens when asking about a famous UFO encounter between a French Mirage jet fighter where Taal admits it was himself piloting the UFO that night. That may explain why he was chosen to channel over another of the pilots since I knew a number of details he was able to clear up for me. We do find out he had been on the base seventy years of a hundred-year assignment which is amazing in that he had already served on three other bases. His being 370 was astounding in the fact that the pilots often live much less than that due to combat. It also meant this would possibly be his last assignment before he would retire as a pilot. We learn what it took to get him to his position and the risks faced in protecting our planet such as the chance of being shot down by one of our craft due to a technical malfunction and we learn he'd rather just chase off opponents of other races rather than having to engage them in a firefight. He gives us a rundown of the three types of crafts he flies and that they utilize space warps and folds to do the long-distance trips. At one point he invites me up for some simulator training to test my flying skills which later were found to be not up to their required level for even basic rescue ships. He next helps me with a sighting of some unusual craft I had seen flying in the distance while I was living in Sedona. It is a place he knows well as we learn from some of the flights he describes through its famous scenery. I had heard about some of them personally from friends who had witnessed his maneuvers. We run out of tape just about as he was asking for a request the next time I was in Sedona but we hope to bring the rest of that session someday when it comes up in the remaining recordings. What little background noise that can't be removed is well worth the interview with Wing Commander Taal for the information we had not heard previously. It is in his honor we present this month's podcast.          

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra           

KIRI Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KORTON RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(0:00)- Korton goes over the higher ends of astral travel such as traveling in the gray area, negative feedback loops, and energy implosions. He also gives me some tips on training someone in far sighting.
3.)(36:36)- Karra finds out how in a recent healing demonstration she accidentally burned Mark's hand but it was only temporary. After that, we exchange love poems and barnstorm astral travel improvements.

1.)(0:00)- Karra confirms my inquiry on if her boss Kornas, the head of the genetics department, had successfully mapped the DNA of the human body. I had taken an interest recently into genetics.
2.)(2:21)- Omal gives with a briefing about channeling from the guest pilot who delays things as he chats with Mark about flying techniques. I get to ask in the meantime about the book "Visitors From Other Planets".
3.)(7:15)- We meet Wing Commander Taal for the first time who reveals he was involved in a famous encounter in 1977 between a 1968 French Mirage jet fighter and a UFO. He reveals as well he isn't allowed to fire on our planes even in self-defense.
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(Korton takes a rare turn at starting the channeling session)

Russ: greetings.

Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Korton.

Korton: okay, we understand you have a few questions for us.

Russ: one or two, yeah.

Korton: okay.

Russ: well with dealing with Markís first.

Korton: okay, please proceed.

Russ: okay. His first question is, is in the gray area, would he brake the same as in normal space?

Korton: no, the procedure is slightly different. The way that you approach it is when you travel at the speed of thought, you travel in the same mode as it were in your astral form with your arms outreached in front of you but instead of increasing the energy flow, you project or fire an energy source off in front of you. You then detonate it........

Russ: hmmm.

Korton: which gives a wave at the same time you start to brake in the normal mode and hopefully, if your calculations are correct, the braking and the impact of the detonated energy source will hit at the desired point where you wish to brake through into normal space. If you travel at the speed of thought, you brake in the normal mode, youíll overshoot your target by a considerable amount as the braking process is much longer due to the speed.

Russ: hmm.

Korton: even with hard braking you would still overshoot your target.

Russ: okay, so where like in my far sighting, Iím just sending a beam out to my destination......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: he's actually sending a beam out and having it explode in front of him.

Korton: yes, this is what should be done to brake when youíre traveling in the gray area.

Russ: I've got a ways to go before I do that but he'll be happy to hear this. Okay the next question is, at the speed of thought, is it harmful to glow white hot at the edges?

Korton: no itís not.

Russ: okay. Is there a better way to work out the time to the target in the gray area, i.e. 315Ė067?

Korton: there is a formula to use but the mathematical computations are extremely difficult. If you are using the mathematical computations, then you have to do it before you depart, you cannot do it whilst youíre en route.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Korton: the way to counter this, not to use it, is when youíre traveling to a known target or known destination, the numbers mentioned for example, you would do it by trial and error either overshooting or coming too short until you come up with the correct elapsed time to the arrival at that particular destination.

Russ: hmm, okay. It would take quite a bit to try to figure it out beforehand.

Korton: yes. You however and the channeler are not ready for the formula to work out the time in such a situation.

Russ: okay. All right, now the next question is, at what point does the speed of light become the speed of thought?

Korton: when the edges around your astral body stop glowing white-hot or continue glowing white-hot and the rest becomes white-hot as well.

Russ: oh, I kind of had an idea that maybe it was I think therefore Iím there?

Korton: not quite. Over a great distance that would not work and in the short distance it does.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Korton: the way to explain the difference being that a short distance is in your local neighborhood, for example, your home planet.

Russ: right.

Korton: and the further you go, the little bit further it is, the little bit longer it takes.

Russ: okay, so heíll know heís reached the speed of thought when the edges start to getÖ.

Korton: white, when the whole entire thing goes white, the whole entire aura.

Russ: okay.

Korton: and you do not visualize your target anymore, it is a pure mathematical objective.

Russ: wow, does that mean heíd be traveling strictly in the gray area then?

Korton: yes.

Russ: oh okay. Now, is the energy buildup harmful to him or to anyone else around him?

Korton: not him personally but objects around can be influenced and damaged. Individuals in the same area, depending on their capabilities can be affected in a lesser or greater extent.

Russ: okay, now my questions. All right, why did my watch gain twelve minutes this morning?

Korton: first of all, you speculate on what you think happened. You have no explanation?

Russ: I have none, twilight zone time.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: I have no clue, itís never happened before and it didnít seem like I was do anything last night that would make it do so.

Korton: there are number of possible factors, the first one being that your batteries are running down. Is this possible?

Russ: no, because it ran faster, I gained twelve minutes.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: it wouldíve gone slower if that were the case.

Korton: yes, correct. Another possibility is that you accidentally had an energy buildup that affected your watch, an uncontrolled energy buildup.

Russ: okay, because I was trying to far sightÖ..

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and itís possible that yeah, I used a loop. A loop would affect my watch?

Korton: if it was bleeding.

Russ: well, that canít happen to me.

(Russ starts laughing)

Korton: another theory is that you accidentally made a time translocation and, because you bleed so much energy, that when you returned it bled over into your chronometer.

Russ: that sounds more like it actually. Okay, Iíll study it though for future reference.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now then, the implosion I used today when I went up there gave me solidity but it was very brief and only temporary.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: how can I increase the duration of it?

Korton: practice.

Russ: okay.

Korton: getting back to the first point, concerning the possibility of a time translocation. What you need to do is to sit down and work out first of all if it was a time translocation. Secondly, if this is the case, you need to figure out how you did it so that you can do it again. Experimentation in a safe environment would be appropriate.

Russ: okay. Because I remember last night I set my timer when I went off to far sight, it started going okay, I was inside the pyramid and then I fell asleep and woke up and it had been an hour and fifty-three minutes had passed.......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and that was the point where I think it went into a twelve minute overlap.......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: so I canít figure what I did to make it do so.

Korton: it is possible, as we said, that there are variable factors that have caused this.

Russ: yeah this pyramidís pretty weird in some things......

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: could be just got mixed up in there. Okay, so practice on the implosions.

Korton: correct.

Russ: okay, now, is the implosions Iím doing helping me to get denser?

Korton: yes......

Russ: okay.

Korton: that is the purpose of them.

Russ: now the problem Iím having is that I havenít connected the two and so my visualizations I donít think are right so I want to figure out how I should change the visualizations to reflect that denser sense I'm trying to get.

Korton: you need to make it more rapid and possibly suck in more energy.

Russ: okay.

Korton: or, the other possibility, you could slow down the visualization and visualize a bit at a time until you have the whole part. For example, going foot, visualize, pause, one, two, three. Other foot, visualize, pause,
one, two, three. Left leg, visualize, pause, one, two, three. Right leg, visualize, pause, one, two, three. and so on. You may find that you need to count to a higher number or a lower number.

Russ: okay, now when I do the implosion, what I can see is as an implosion is like a nuclear reaction that doesnít explodeÖÖ

Korton: correct.

Russ: but implodes. But for that what I visualize is that the molecules donít gain in density but in actually they get less in density due to the explosion itself demolishes the molecules.

Korton: what happens in an implosion is the energy is sucked in, it is a bit like a star going supernova. Before it goes supernova, it sucks in and gets denser and denser, it implodes on itself. When it reaches a critical mass, it then explodes. This is what youíre trying to achieve.

Russ: is there a time lag between the point where it implodes and explodes?

Korton: just a little, but it isÖ..

Russ: well in space a little can be a million years.

Korton: true but we are talking in terms of microseconds and nanoseconds.

Russ: oh, so you wouldnít even notice the change?

Korton: no. It is possible that you need to suck in more energy, more matter to get more dense.

Russ: so when a star goes supernova, and it sucks in, does that mean that it like disappears first for a nanosecond.......

Korton: yes.

Russ: where you canít see it anymore?

Korton: you can see it, but it loses color before it explodes.

Russ: how dense is that area where it loses color?

Korton: do you want it in your standard measurement?

Russ: right.

Korton: if we were to put it down into numbers we would be here for a considerable length of time.

Russ: letís say how many planets, Earth sized planets.

Korton: again, you would have the same problem.

Russ: a lot then.

Korton: a lot.

Russ: okay because I was thinking maybe one or two, quite a few. All rightÖ..

Cork: well it shrinks, a star will shrink to about the size of your planet before it explodes when it goes supernova.

Russ: okay, so therefore what Iím doing is seeing the molecules get compressed?

Korton: correct.

Russ: so in another words, when Iím sitting there bleeding like heckÖ.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and I go ahead and do the implosion, itís basically I reach out and suck in all that energy Iím bleeding outÖÖ

Korton: correct.

Russ: and suck it back in.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: now then, my problem is Iím sucking it back into a central pointÖ.

Core: uh-huh.

Russ: so youíre saying it would better to suck it in to different pointsÖ..?

Korton: no, Iím not saying that it would be better to suck it into different points, I am saying suck it in as you have been doing into a central point because that is a necessary way to do it.

Russ: okay.

Korton: but you need to suck in more energy.

Russ: oh, even more.

Korton: yes.

Russ: and then spread it out.

Korton: no, donít spread it out yet. Detonate it and then it will spread out naturally by itself to the desired effect.

Russ: okay. My next question is, should it phase into my chakras and all my body parts like the same way I do in healing, whereby seeing the details in each and every part of my body?

Korton: yes it does. Yes you should but it should be extremely rapid. Again we are talking in microseconds and nanoseconds. But this is not too import to start off with, that it may take more than a few micro or nanoseconds, it may even take a whole second or maybe even two to start off with. But when you get down to the point where it appears to be instantaneous for you, then you have achieved, not perfection but close to it.

Russ: ohhh. So, I see. So once it all sucks in it explodes slightly as it spreads out. Not really an explosion per se, but just more of a bleeding into the rest of my body.

Korton: yes. This is because, as we discussed in the past, a type of shielding that you use briefly for that purpose being like a suit of armor, but with the mirror surfaces on the inside. You can do this by visualizing until you get it down and then when you have it perfected you do not need that type of shielding. The shielding is to protect not you, but those around you.

Russ: got it.

Korton: I think step four that you are finally starting to comprehend the explanations of the past.

Russ: yeah, for some reason Iíve never heard of the suit of armor with the mirrored surface. I know weíve talked about itÖ.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: and I know Iíve probably got notes on it and tape on it I haven't transcribed it or remembered it so I havenít been using it.

Korton: ahh, okay.

Russ: itís good to go back on some of this stuff sometimes.

Korton: yes it is.

Russ: .......with mirrors inside.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, great. All right, my next question is, there is a girl that we had here a week ago who Iím going to be hopefully guiding into doing far sighting.

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: she needs a guide, now Mark guided me but I havenít guided anybody else really per se, how would I guide her?

Korton: sit down and talk with the channeler.

Russ: okay and where would I take her?

Korton: not here yet.

Russ: okay.

Korton: as you do not have the energy level is spare as it were.

Russ: right.

Korton: it would be like the blind leading the blind.

Russ: okay, I barely have enough energy to get there myself.

Korton: you take her locally. You take her to start off with a short distance. For example, from your place of abode to your place of work.

Russ: oh okay.

Korton: and then, having taken her there a few times so that she has built up her stamina, you then take her from your abode to her abodeÖ.

Russ: okay.

Korton: a few times. And then you start traveling to destinations of her or your choice.

Russ: ahhh.

Korton: again, extending the distance, increasing her stamina until she reaches the desired point where she is bored with traveling locally and wishes to go further afield. Then you get back to us and consult with us and we will decide on what to do for the next step.

Russ: okay, excellent.

Korton: okay.

Russ: and that concludes our questions.

Korton: okay. We have plenty to dwell on matters that we will elaborate on at a later date when you reach the necessary points. As always, it is a pleasure to take time off to sit down and discuss matters. Wednesday night if I am available, we will discuss your upcoming trip to Alpha Centauri.

Russ: okay great, I look forward to it.

Korton: okay.

Russ: thank you Korton, I appreciate your time.

Korton: youíre welcome.

(Omal takes over as Korton steps away)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal, howís it going?

Omal: functioning within specified parameters.

Russ: excellent.

Omal: and how is it functioning with you?

Russ: excellent, excellent, definitely within specified parameters.

Omal: okay.

Russ: though Iím trying to get more specific.

Omal: uh-huh. We are accessing files of memory recent.......hmmm, what is a Vulcan?

Russ: a Vulcan would be a alien who played a science officer on one of our entertainment series.

Omal: ahhh, yes, I believe we've discussed this before in the past.

Russ: Mr. Spock, right.

Omal: yes, that springs to mind that we have accessed here. Was there a movie "The Voyage Home"?

Russ: yes, thatís right, "Star Trek Four".

Omal: uh-huh, recent memory.

Russ: oh, he just watched that?

Omal: yes.

Russ: oh bummer, I missed it.

Omal: uh-huh, it is a very illogical entertainment.

(Russ chuckles at that)

Russ: yeah, heíll like that one.

Omal: is that a human emotion?

Russ: that was a humorous emotion.

Omal: ahhh.

Russ: yeah, weíve been in deep thought latelyÖÖ

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: going into questions and studies that aren't normally dwelled upon......

Omal: such as?

Russ: well for example, if you remember in the entertainment sections since we've been going into that, a book that Markís been reading concerning the wizard rig.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: the book that it came from, called "The Many Colored Land", we were noticing the correlations between us and you guys and the humans from the 20th century going back to primeval days, to those aliens living back then.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and how they had enhanced abilities, mostly using a golden torc and that the humans came from the 20th century and learned how to use these abilities and enhance their own.

Omal: uh-huh and you are saying that there is a correlation?

Russ: yeah there is, it was unique what I happened to think about tonight.

Omal: okay, please elaborate.

Russ: well, how in the book, the humans from the 20th century were helped to achieve these goals by they were giving torcs that helped them enhance their mental faculties.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: here weíre given lessons and training that helps us do the same thing.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that the humans in the book were able to finally integrate successfully into the alien culture of the primeval days.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and here, weíre doing the same as weíreÖÖat least Mark is and Iím working on itÖÖ..integrating into the culture on Hades Base.

Omal: uh-huh, I can see where the correlations occur, however we do not have any artificial stimuli to increase our capability.

Russ: right, but the mind would be even be better.

Omal: oh, correct.

Russ: far more capable of doing that by itself.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then there are a few more correlations such as the one master far sighter and everything in the book was named Mark also.

Omal: just minor correlations.

Russ: yeah, minor correlations.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: so what is the program for this evening?

Omal: it is free question time.

Russ: oh good.

Korton: it is a free time for discussing matters that are irrelevant, idle chitchat, entertainment purposes, this humorous entertainmentÖ..

Russ: oh good, is Karra around tonight?

Omal: yes she is.

Russ: good, Iíve got a poem for her this evening.

Omal: okay and I have a question for you.

Russ: fire away.

Omal: okay, it is not so much a question as in......okay, hold out your handÖ..

(Russ starts laughing)

Omal: and manifest.

Russ: a penny?

Omal: a penny.

Russ: a penny. Okay, I'm going to try something different this time, Iím going to try to bring it down from fifth........

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that we discussed last time.

(there is some quiet time as Russ attempts to manifest a penny)

Russ: okay.

Omal: better.

Russ: I felt a little help on your side too there.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: thank you and yes, from fifth it feels little bit easier.

Omal: uh-huh, okay.

(We both start to chuckle)

Omal: sorry, it is my time to have some humor.

Russ: no problem, Iím glad you can have some humor once in a while.

Omal: to continue, we shall sit around the coffee table later on when everybody is gone, Korton and myself and a few others and we shall enjoy ourselves discussing this incident.

Russ: well Iím glad I could help. Okay, now then......oh yes, subject on the gentleman of the blue persuasion.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: do we have a projected schedule for that?

Omal: yes, this next coming channeling session.

Russ: on Wednesday.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: which will take place after the hour of 11 oíclock.

Russ: after eleven?

Omal: yes. So you must be up here or the channeler must be up here by 11 oíclock at the latest.

Russ: okay.

Omal: preferably just before......not sooner.........say five minutes before at the earliest, but not after the hour of eleven.

Russ: okay, perfect, that will be easy to figure out.

Omal: so you have a five minute gateway or portal or window or whatever you wish to call it.

Russ: okay great. Yeah, there will be quite a few questions on that night.

Omal: yes. We have everything set up, they are collecting together information so that night we will get straight down to business. There will be time for a little communication on the humorous side and we shall proceed with business as planned.

Russ: excellent, I look forward to it.

Omal: okay.

Russ: does he have a name?

Omal: they havenít decided on who shall do the channeling yet.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now then, is there a way that I can get in touch with you from down here if I need to for some reason?

Omal: yes, just hail me.

Russ: oh, okay.

Omal: well actually silent admiration will do.

Russ: perfect.

Omal: just call me, call my name.

Russ: all right. I won't drag you from anything important I hope.

Omal: if you need me then that is important.

Russ: okay excellent. Normally I wouldnít but just in case I want to know that I can.

Omal: uh-huh okay, you can.

Russ: okay good. Thatís about it for all Iíve got......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: anything else for me?

Omal: yes, we were handed a report concerning the channeler that he was using coercion......yesterday I believe?

Russ: yeah.

Omal: can you explain the events around this as we were unable to ask the channeler when he departed?

Russ: ahhh okay, that will be easy enough. According to his description, his boss was in an altercation with this gentleman and the two of them were getting into quite heated words and at one point it became a physical confrontation and Mark happened to walk up on it at just about that point. And then apparently Mark reached out with his hand onto the gentleman's shoulder and pretty well froze him in his tracks right there. He turned around and at that point Mark locked eyes and gave him some heavy-duty aggressive coercion.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which pretty well calmed him down and he was then escorted off the property.

Omal: uh-huh. Okay, thank you very much.

Russ: my pleasure. And I was using coercion a little bit tonight on these cats.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I find it much easier than humans.

Omal: they do not have the problems that you concern yourself with, humans as a species. They are very focused animals. For example, if a cat wishes to catch a mouse, that is what it focuses on.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: which means it is easier to coerce.

Russ: so in another words, the lack of attention span in humans makes it tougher to coerce them.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: hmmm, so if in sometimes in coercion, it would be good to like coerce them to get their attention.

Omal: it is more the coercer, not the person being coerced, but the person coercing that needs to practice on the attention span.

Russ: oh, more focused?

Omal: uh-huh, exactly.

Russ: ahh, I see.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right, thank you Omal.

Omal: right, we will now hand over to the light entertainment section.

Russ: okay. I look forward to next Wednesday, that's going to be quite an interesting night.

Omal: yes, it will be. Have a lot of recording material available.

Russ: yeah, I just bought five new cassettes so we'll be set for plenty of recording time.

Omal: you may need them.

Russ: we got them.

Omal: okay. Have an enjoyable evening and remember........

(Omal suddenly grabs the mic and speaks into it)

Omal: I will be watching you watching me.

Russ: okayÖ..

(Russ starts laughing)

Russ: bye buddy.

(Karra finishes up the rest of side one)

Karra: greetings Beanpole.

Russ: greetings Karra. How are you doing tonight love?

Karra: well if you were to go solid you would be out of luck tonight.

Russ: oh.

Karra: and for the next week.

Russ: oh, well that wonít stop me from trying.

Karra: no but there are other ways of making you happy.

Russ: thatís true, you have been doing fine lately helping me with my healing and stuff.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: my leg feels much better today.

Karra: okay.

Russ: thank you very much.

Karra: you want another demonstration on focusing healing energies through the hands?

Russ: no, I donít think Mark could handle another one of those.

Karra: why not?

Russ: well his hand was pretty well fried up after that last time.

Karra: it was?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: what happened?

Russ: well he had bruises and stuff afterwards.

Karra: oh Iím sorry.

Russ: well yeah, I knew you didnít mean to, butÖ...

Karra: no I didnít.

Russ: coming from third, I think your energy got kind of focused a bit through his crystal and kind of did physical stuff to his hand.

Karra: oh, Iím really sorry.

Russ: oh thatís all right, itís nothing permanent, itís just a couple days worth.

Karra: yeah, Iíll apologize to him.

Russ: yeah, he was a little worried about it for second and I just told him, ďwell, itís nothing major, just some energy that passed through".

Karra: oh I really am sorry.

Russ: oh I know you are. Donít worry, heís fine now.

Karra: oh good, good, good. good, good.

Russ: Iíve got a poem for you.

Karra: okay.

Russ: okay, to you actually.

Karra: ohhhh.

Russ: it's called......

Karra: is it a love poem?

Russ: sort of, itís very short though actually. Itís called "Karra, my lady of Mars".

ďIn a sense I have you, though a sense that I do not possess. If here was there and our roles reversed, the longing for your touch would still be my test.Ē

Karra: it's very sweet, very nice.

Russ: thank you, it's very true too.

Karra: yes. Okay, let me seeÖÖ.

ďAll around ceases to exist and I look into your eyes and I wish for that kiss. All around does not matter, no star, no sun, just you and me and the mist.Ē

Karra: no, Iím having difficulty making up poetry.

Russ: it sounded very nice though, very good for spur of the moment.

Karra: well, I have other talentsÖÖ

Russ: yeah.

Karra: I can cook too.

Russ: one day Iíll test it out here.

Karra: how do you like your water, burnt or unburnt?

Russ: boiled lightly over easy.

Karra: ahhh, okay.

Russ: okay, on todayís far sighting up to youÖ..

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the implosion that I didÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: was just too brief.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: Iíve got to work on duration.

Karra: yes, so I hear.

Russ: but been trying the trick that I believe it was Tia told me about keeping my mouth open? On the way up to gather up energy, Iím like a fish out of water. But luckily it's only on the trip up so you donít have to see me with my mouth gaping wide open all the way up to Mars.

Karra: that would be funny.

Russ: itís hilarious. Luckily, Iím the only one to see it so Iím not going to worry about it.

Karra: okay, Iím not much of a far sighter soÖ.

Russ: right. Anyway, youíre right, Iím working too hard.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: andÖ..

Karra: and how many times must I tell you that?

Russ: yeah, I know, I know.

Karra: I understand why though.

Russ: yeah, well I'll be taking a break here coming up in another four weeks.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and it will be a nice long break, Iím going to be working on my solidity at that point full speed ahead.

Karra: goody, goody, goody. Hopefully I wonít be on the rag at that point.

Russ: hopefully not but thatís when Iím going to go doubletime on that one, because Iím going to get lots of restÖ.

Karra: oh, goody.

Russ: lots of sleep, I can practice to my hearts content.

Karra: okay and Iíll sit down with Tia and weíll come up with tips of ways to keep you very focused.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: she seems to be very good at keeping peopleís attention focused.

Russ: I donít doubt that.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: anywayÖÖoh, I meant ask, is Luna there this evening?

Karra: yes, she's sitting here taking dictation.

Russ: good, be sure Mark meets her because I told him all about her and Mark was curious as to who was this person in the room at the last taping session.

Karra: okay, she says hi again.

Russ: tell her I said hi again and let her meet Mark so at least he knows who the heck it was I was talking about.

Karra: okay. Yes, sheís looking forward to meeting you too, I might have her over.

Russ: oh good. Oh, that's right, we need to find out if you can access from somebody some stuff called Morning Thunder Tea from Celestial Seasonings.

Karra: okay.

Russ: see if you can get it reproduced up there.

Karra: okay, we will have to get somebody that can access these files here. I have extreme difficulty doing that, Tia may be able to.

Russ: Tia might be able to.

(Ed. note: files within Mark's mind)

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but itís a tea that I sometimes will drink, itís got extra high enough caffeine in it.

Karra: and you want it up here so that when you arrive here you can drink it to give yourself more stamina.

Russ: absolutely, right on.

Karra: deductive reasoning, it is lementary my dear Watson.

Russ: well Iím looking for any little tips that will work so I can do here to get this going faster.

Karra: ahhh. Okay, goody, goody, goody.

Russ: we shall see what happens.

Karra: okay.

Russ: so what else is going on up there, got a party still planned?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: excellent.

Karra: yes, Kiriís been a little bit closed mouth about things at the moment. She seems to be very quiet and very thoughtful and contemplating. Iím worried about her.

Russ: thatís not like Kiri at all. Now what are we up to, two weeks, two and a half?

Karra: three weeks I believe.

Russ: three weeks?

Karra: yeah, the 14th.

Russ: oh, okay.

Karra: okay?

Russ: now do you work with Kornas at all in the gene room?

Karra: from time to time.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: mainly when Iím expecting.

Russ: ahhh, okay. Well Tia is coming on in a little while right?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: sheís got more work with Kornas so I'll save these questions for her.

Karra: okay. Sheís clothed tonight although I think thatís what you could call them.

Russ: all right, well I should then see you in a little while.

Karra: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: Karra, thank you.

Karra: youíre welcome.

Russ: talk to you in a few.

Karra: okay.

Russ: bye.





(The tape ends just as Karra was leaving so she stays to answer one last question)

Karra: ahhh, wriggle,
wriggle, wriggle.

Russ: absolutely. Question I was going to ask on genesÖÖ

Karra: okay, better do it before my attention starts to wander.

Russ: okay. Has Kornas figured out the entire DNA strain of a person?

Karra: what sort of a question is that?

Russ: well Iím studying gene splicing right nowÖ.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and Iím reading how to get the entire gene point figured out, itís like huge amounts of information.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I was wondering if through all his work and stuff he was finally able to guide it from point A to point Z.

Karra: what do you think?

Russ: I figured he had to.

Karra: of course.

Russ: and so basically he can go into any part of that geneÖ.

Karra: uh-huh, and take whatever he needs for whatever he needs it for.

Russ: oh, well weíll talk on it.

Karra: okay, Iím going to head out in a few minutes, Iím........hang on, hold on a know something?

Russ: what?

Karra: Iím out of here.

(At this point the session was halted for a few days. Now we return to a new taping)

Kiri: greetings Russ, tonight Iím acting as ring mistress again.

Russ: right.

Kiri: so I'm dressed sensibly, Iím in a good, mellow mood and we will now get down to some serious work. First of all, I will hand over to Omal who will brief you before we proceed with your session.

Russ: all right.

Karra: okay?

Russ: perfect.

(Omal comes on to introduce the special guest speaker mentioned on side one)

Omal: greetings Russ.

Russ: greeting Omal.

Omal: and down to business as it is a business session.

Russ: great.

Omal: okay, this is what will happen. We shall have the pilot talk to you, then we shall adjourn for half an hour. The channeler has been advised not to do a time translocation.

Russ: okay.

Omal: and then we shall continue after a 30 minute break, and I suggest that you set your timer to activate after........for the 30 minutes, make it 25 to give yourself a five minutes warning.....

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay? And then we shall continue with the session after that.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay? Got it.

Russ: got it.

Omal: okay, now, this isnít exactly how we planned it. We have a junior pilot who seems to be a little bit delayed, he is outside talking with the channeler about flying techniques. We shall fill in whilst the secretary goes and fetches him and then we shall continue with the session when we get him in here. In the meantime, do you have any questions non-relating to this flying information?

Russ: yeah, Iím working onÖÖÖlooking at a book I picked up a long time ago and I kind of picked up and dropped once in a while called "Operation Show Man".

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and also "Operation Landing Lights", itís the same book. The main title is "Visitors From Other Planets".

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: this book is pretty interesting in that it talks a lot on Ashtar Command, Sananda, channelings between early spaceflights and now concerning work with, it looks like Ashtar Command on earth.

Omal: it doesnít actually mention us by name.

Russ: just Ashtar.

Omal: okay.

Russ: but itís pretty much pretty close to what weíre working on here.......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: only they are using a far more interactive with you guys as far as getting the message out letís say.

Omal: uh-huh, okay?

Russ: I was just wondering if you had heard about this or not and had any comment on it?

Omal: I cannot confirm or deny that we hadÖÖwell obviously we did have something behind it but I cannot confirm or deny if itís an ongoing issue. As other projects handled by other people and I myself do handle other projects as well as this one, so anything that would overlap would be discussed. Things that arenít overlapping are non-discussable.

Russ: okay, I have an idea this might be overlapping so Iíll read further and we can talk on it at a later dateÖÖ

Omal: okay, yes.

Russ: once I have more information.

Omal: okay, now Iím going to hand over to this junior pilot.

Russ: does he have a name?

Omal: he wishes to give you his name himself.

Russ: oh, okay.

Omal: Iím not quite sure how he is going to handle this as this is the first time that heís ever channeled so I shall see you in a little while and I shall be here sitting on the sidelines monitoring and ready to help with anything.

Russ: all right, weíre all set down here.

Omal: okay.

Russ: farewell.

(We meet Taal for the first time when was still an Under Officer)

Russ: greetings and welcome. Would you like a moment to acclimate yourself first? Takes a while to get used to.

Taal: greetings.

Russ: ahh, thatís better, greetings.

Taal: maybe too loud.

Russ: thatís all right, itís good for the recording that we're doing on this.

Taal: ahhÖ..

Russ: oh.

Taal: wait......

Russ: okay.

Taal: functioning.

Russ: good.

Taal: name is Under Officer Taal.

Russ: greetings Under Officer Taal, my name is Russ and you're channeling through someone named Mark who you've just spoken to I believe.

Taal: yes, friendly.

Russ: he is a nice guy and we're glad to have you with us this evening.

Taal: honored to be here.

Russ: Iím honored to have you. Can you stay long?

Taal: yes.

Russ: oh good, I have a number of questions to ask as we go along but first off, how is everything doing with the body, are youÖ

Taal: new controls.

Russ: yeah, a little rough at first to get used to.

Taal: yes. OkayÖÖ..

Russ: alright.

Taal: necessary release on information.

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: proceed.

Russ: okay. My first question I have is on travels that you do with your ships.....

Taal: uh-huh.

I was wondering how you managed to dimension hop?

Taal: that is restricted information.

Russ: ahh, okay. I figured some of this might be but we have to ask sort of just to kind of get where weíre at.

Taal: you fly?

Russ: I fly a computer plane, sort of a simulation.

Taal: you understand technical data?

Russ: some of it, yes.

Taal: okay, proceed with question.

Russ: okay. Now then, one thing Iíve got to question is on encounters that we seem to have down here of UFOs, we either get beings that are either hostile, curious, or just seem like tourists. Are these groups that you witness or see going by when you're traveling?

Taal: yes, more groups, anthropologists, biologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, hostile we deal with, curious, thrill seekers.

Russ: hmm.

To deal with hostile, we engage in pursuit or combat, not wishing to harm. I am an Under Officer for a small group of craft to defend against hostile.

Russ: so would you say you just chase them off?

Taal: yes.

Russ: hmm.

Taal: combat not preferred, destruction of hostile only when necessary.

Russ: hmmm. Now, how you tell the difference between the two, the hostile to just the curious or scientist and such?

Taal: hostile behave in way with hostile movements, secretly, trying to avoid detection.

Russ: hmmm.

Taal: hostile sometime get through, most time not.

Russ: okay. Now if we were to, in our UFO sightings see craft, how would we be able to distinguish between the two?

Taal: hostile, you would not see until too late, curious and friendly donít care about hiding. Hiding sign of hostility. However, time some, necessary for curious and friendly to hide because of people not understanding.

Russ: hmm, okay. Now one thing Iíve noticed in the reports is that with flying them, the craft, are always pretty spectacular. In other words, theyíve got maneuvers that our planes nowadays canít quite keep up with.

Taal: yes, we fly curious patterns. From what said by Mark would describe flashy?

Russ: yeah, flashy would be a word for it. But in an account I was just reading in fact where some jets were approaching at near Mach 1, the crafts merely just zipped in and went right behind the planes at speeds imaginable.

(from a famous incident in 1977)

Taal: craft of 1968, your counting?

Russ: right.

Taal: was that mentioned?

Russ: yeah, well it was over Spain, the continent in Europe.

Taal: continent in Europe, Southern countryÖ.

Russ: right.

Taal: country next door Portugal, other side Spain, near mountains, Pyrenees.

Russ: uh-huh. Yeah, there are seen on radar and the jets went up but they couldnít really keep up with them.

Taal: jet of French aircraft?

Russ: right, a Mirage.

Taal: Mirage three?

Russ: right.

Taal: blue color?

Russ: thatís it.

Taal: you understand, know incident well?

Russ: just from the accounts Iíve read, yes.

Taal: I know incident well.

Russ: you were there? That was pretty flashy then.

Taal: thank you, honored you think so.

Russ: the pilots thought so too.

Taal: sometimes you here, I show?

Russ: yes, I look forward to it.

Taal: I not normal speak this way.

Russ: yes, I figured as much but youíre doing well for how itís going.

Taal: thank you.

Russ: how do you train to do this kind of stuff?

Taal: from young age? I learn from my genetic father?

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: he great navigator but not so great. Mistake happens, end of story.

Russ: yeah. So do you train though on like simulators like we do down here?

Taal: yes, plus in sleep mode?

Russ: oh.

Taal: them no substitute for real time? Fly first as sub-Under Officer which sits as backup pilot. Then, Under Officer, finally Officer.

Russ: hmmm. So you do have people under you now then?

Taal: yes.

Russ: hmm, so do you do training now also?

Taal: no, I am mainly reconnaissance and combat, combat not preferred.

Russ: right, I understand that. Mark, when you talk to him, Iím sure can let you know also he would not prefer to do combat if he can help it also.

Taal: why you fire?

Russ: usually out of ignorance, but it wouldn't have any effect on your ships though would they? Our defensive weapons or offensive weapons?

Taal: sometimes malfunctions happen, missile fire, damage to craft, go down, pilot sometimes, sometimes not rescued. Craft activate self-destruction.

Russ: hmm, so, have you ever had to fire on one of our aircraft say, in defense?

Taal: we are not allowed to.

Russ: oh. Some kind of shameful you have to get shot down you canít shoot back.

Taal: fools have accidents, no such thing as bad pilot. Bad pilot do not last long, end of story.

Russ: thatís for sure. Now, well how fast are your ships able to travel, is that restricted?

Taal: do not follow question.

Russ: I mean, is there a limit to how fast your ships can go?

Taal: by laws of physics only factor, unable to tell you in your speed.

Russ: hmm, okay. Well, you use space folds and warps to take shortcuts through space?

Taal: not locally, only long trips.

Russ: hmm, okay. How are you able to find them, like on maps or do you have machines that spot them for you?

Taal: some occur occasionally, some artificial induced.

Russ: ahhh, thatíd be handy.

Taal: some occur permanently, not in local area.

Russ: hmmm. Well do you have a chance to ever see black holes or have to travel by them?

Taal: no, I am being stationed here now 70 turns?

Russ: 70 years, yes. Oh, so youíve seen mostly the stuff around here.

Taal: no, time each place one hundred turns?

Russ: oh, I see.

Taal: four places being me.

Russ: oh, so roughly 400 turnsÖÖlessÖÖ

Taal: less 30.

Russ: right, less 30.

Taal: my time of duty? Is at each station.

Russ: hmm, do you get to usually fly only one type of craft?

Taal: no, I fly reconnaissance? Also fly patrol for hostile? Also rescue.

Russ: so these would be three different kinds of craft then?

Taal: yes.

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: rescue, bigger, slower, less weapon, more circular.

Russ: okay.

Taal: patrol, smaller, oval, armed three pru (?). Attack, small, very fast, armed, three weapon, fun.

Russ: well do you ever have to do anything like say dogfights? I donít know if Mark described those or not.

Taal: what isÖ..?

Russ: a dogfight? It would be where like two craft are in the air maneuvering to get the better of the other craft, to get the tactical advantage over the other craft.

Taal: ahhh, understand, sometime.........sometimes. Please correct when mispronounce words?

Russ: okay. So do you ever come to respect the flying skills of say somebody that you were trying chase off?

Taal: yes.

Russ: hmmm.

Taal: have a friend of sorts, hostile....fancy.....fancy moves?

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: met several times, never face-to-face.

Russ: wow, so just you know him from his moves?

Taal: yes.

Russ: wow.

Taal: and his vehicle.

Russ: do you guys ever have to shoot each other or is it just a flying show sort of?

Taal: no, never firedÖ..

Russ: oh good.

Taal: atÖÖÖfriend.

Russ: who usually comes out the better of these?

Taal: sometimes friend, sometimes myself.

Russ: ahhh, thatís interesting.

Taal: fun.

Russ: so do you ever get off to the parties that are happening up there on the base?

Taal: young lady, gatecrash.

Russ: ahhh, yes.

Taal: maybe talk?

Russ: sure.

Taal: is she here?

Russ: no, thatíd be Bethany.

(Ed. note: a guest of ours able to astral travel to the base)

Taal: ahhh.

Russ: yeah, she is pretty neat. Iíll try to come up there myself and say hi sometime.

Taal: we talk fly?

Russ: uh-huh, absolutely.

Taal: I show you training.

Russ: ohhh, good.

Taal: maybe hot pilot?

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: maybe not.

Russ: maybe not, we'll find out. Okay, I just have a couple more questions to askÖ..

Taal: proceed.

Russ: before I let you get going. When I used to live in Arizona, place called SedonaÖ..

Taal: yes?

Russ: itís up in the northern part.

Taal: know well.

Russ: ahh good. I was walking through town one time and off about a quarter mile away at approximately a hundred feet in the air, I saw three what looked like regular jet planes but they were traveling very slowly and making no noise whatsoever.

Taal: by pointed tower? Reference point?

Russ: yeah, a rock that looks like a pointed tower. A rock-shaped-like tower.

Taal: yes.

Russ: it looked just like regular military aircraft, but there was no way that military aircraft would fly that low with no noise whatsoever.

Taal: possible.

Russ: can your ships change shape like that?

Taal: no. Your military craft, some experimental? Very quiet. Also depend on air density, density of engine noise, coming or going towards you, wind, many factors. Some, your craft quite quiet. Depend on sound shielding from rock strata.

Russ: oh, I see. So it would be a natural source from our earth?

Taal: possible.

Russ: okay.

Taal: but not discount other people vessel.

Russ: right.

Taal: sorry, other vessels.....try again, other visitors, their vessels possibly.

Russ: okay. Now Sedona seemed to be quite the place for UFOs. I know thereís a lot of energy in the area made up from the vortexes.

Taal: yes.

Russ: does that help the ships at all?

Taal: for?

Russ: navigation say?

Taal: yes, navigational reference, yes. Other factors more aerobatic.........

Russ: ahhh.

Taal: more amusement. Sometimes like people to watch?

Russ: ohhh. Yeah well you impressed quite a few people out there because I have a lot of folks who did see them, noticing them flashy moves you would say.

Taal: five turns past?

Russ: fourÖÖ..yeah, five turns.

Taal: I fly many times in area.

Russ: ohhh.

Taal: s
ometimes day, sometimes dark.

Russ: yeah, itís a beautiful area.

Taal: yes, next question.

Russ: okay, how about clothing, do you have to have that with you too?

Taal: sometimes, depending on mission.

Russ: hmm.

Taal: when combat mission and low chase frequently happen? We carry clothing like you?

Russ: oh, I see.

Taal: patrol also, rescue no, why? In rescue vehicle have equipment for survival on planet when we rescue? Why? Wasteful weight and space.

Russ: ahh, okay. Now then, is there any way where we can assist you guys?

Taal: yes.

Russ: oh good.

Taal: when visit Sedona next......

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: when youÖÖ.


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