Carrie In Person and Stealing Nostradamus-

Channeled  (05/19/1995)

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Archivist Notes: The channeling session for March is notable in that we have only our main four speakers and a very special guest in the form of our good friend Carrie. In all other channeling sessions in the archives where Carrie has been a part of the group asking questions, it has always been through a phone call and not in person. This is recorded prior to her leaving Lake Tahoe when she was still living and working here before moving back east. Also attending was her boyfriend at the time who is now her husband, Mike. Before moving on to the full summary of the session, here are a few outstanding notes that clear up those things heard without visual references. Now when this was recorded, Mark and I threw around a lot of different ideas to see what might work. Our plans to use Mark's son Alex to help with a project of ours was not a good one. It should also be noted that Carrie and I were practically brother and sister in our interactions which can be heard throughout the tape. Lastly, the toy I am referring to is a laptop I had the time. The notes from Karra's time talking is that car has always been on her bout Carrie's smoking, a real pet peeve of hers. This was also prior to Carrie's healing via a meta-concert from the base organized by Omal. Speaking of Omal, the notes from his discussion was that the gas leak discussed was a famous incident in Bhopal. The name mentioned of Virgil Armstrong is of a Army intelligence officer who was part of the first capture of a UFO. The final note is that what isn't said by Omal is that Sananda's time on earth as Jesus was all part of an assist on our ascension path. The only note from Tia's time talking is that it's been well documented in the archives that Carrie was being helped in her astral travel by Tia who could also dive into Carrie's dreams at night. Now, onto the full summary.

   March is a time of joy as Spring begins to turn things green and the snows of winter here in Tahoe begin to recede. In honor of all that joy we have a channeling session from May 1995 that includes our most joyful of guest, Carrie Chen not yet left back east and so we had the pleasure of her company at a number of sessions prior to her leaving. Now the sound is not ideal and our engineers did the best they could but some of the words being said had to be guessed. Something else that stands out is Kiri as ring mistress with Tia Sommer on the base being searched for by the staff. Another guest on hand is she Carrie's boyfriend Mike whose initial channeling session was the current one taking place. Mark and I had come up with an idea to have his and Kiri's son Alex help with some manifestation in the place hard to get to down here through an astral travel trip Mark would make happen. Kiri was able to make the argument that this was a completely bad idea. She reminds me of my other bad idea in her opinion to show our kids on the base "Mary Poppins". Her reaction has always been that it corrupted their poor minds. Our conversation turns to Nostradamus and the predictions he came up with and whether one of them predicted the end of the world. With the search party still going to place to place looking for Tia, Kiri's sister Karra comes on as the next speaker to take us over to the second side. We have to preface this next part with Karra's pet peeve with Carrie has always been about her smoking. With Mike also being a smoker, Karra is able to make some suggestions related to that habit at the end of her time speaking. Before that, Karra focuses on an ongoing concern with Carrie's health. We know already that she had a cancer developing being that had been misdiagnosed and another doctor visit had been scheduled. While it would threaten her ability to have children, a meta-concert organized by Omal healed her and she went on to have a daughter years later. At this time in her life though, clues were happening that was starting to point to the real problem. Karra used the opportunity to give those of us in the room and healing lesson on a cat who was having a problem. To do so, she teamed up with her sister to initiate the healing. Kiri's ability to manipulate Mark's body was crucial in making the cat stay in one place long enough for the healing to commence. Afterwards, we reflect on a crystal healing arrangement that Carrie had been a part of and I wasn't. The key component mentioned is a healing Crystal inside of a Tibetan singing bowl which should be explained for anyone wanting to replicate the arrangement. Now, for those who remember in a recent channeling session where the question was asked how come the sky is blue? This is a channeling session where Karra provides the answer. In that same session, a device I was creating with Karra's help was discussed that involved two crystals at either end of a copper to connected with a copper wire. That is the Psionic device discussed as we get closer to the end of side one. What gets us there is Karra's advice to Carrie and Mike on how to stop smoking. While the tape may end, Kara spends a more minutes on the second side finishing up suggestion any smoker might find helpful in quitting.

   As we switch over to side two, Karra wraps up her lesson on stopping smoking. She'd been studying up on how to quit nicotine as it isn't a problem on the higher dimensions. That brings up Omal was a nice main speaker due to his seniority among those answering questions. We start off with disasters around the world and how we hear about them more than in the past. Something as catastrophic as the Cameroon disaster where CO2 seeped out of the lake and killed nearly 2000 people in 1986. I mistakenly call it chlorine gas instead of CO2. We stay on the topic of disasters as we discussed the predictions of people like Edgar Casey and Nostradamus. Omal give us a wake-up call by laying out all the various ways our society could end. He agrees with me though when I point out that much of the Armageddon we hear about could just be merely a change of lifestyles. That can often prove a devastating blow to one's reality as much as those living in Ukraine at the moment. Moving on, the conversation turns to Virgil Armstrong. We had entered into correspondence with him regarding our connection to Ashtar Command and Omal is able to confirm something that Virgil told us of when Korton and Monka manifested themselves into his room as definitive proof of their existence to him. To clear up my question regarding how Korton could join Monka there, Omal reminds us that he could with help from someone as advanced as Monka. He also reminds us that it was a very rare exception being granted after all the outcomes and possibilities had been weighed. As to why he was granted this special privilege, he had been part of the original group who studied UFOs and was aware of many of the deals made with the governments of the world with various alien races. Our guest Carrie found that my revelations of Sananda having an incarnation as Jesus Christ a little hard to comprehend. This brings up the question of what dimension he inhabits. Omal makes a statement that he is both ninth dimensional as well as above ninth dimension at the same time. That contradiction was made more confusing when Omal explained that there was a part of Sananda that hadn't lived in that dimension yet but was there already. Statements that provide some clues to our own reality possibly. We wrap up Omal's time talking with our guest asking if a birth regression would be of help to her due to the unusual nature of her birth. Omal admits it may be something that could have benefits for her. That brings on Tia to get us to the end of the side so the conversation immediately turns to astral projection which is something that Carrie had been training with Tia so that she could meet her on the base. The tape gets less clear here so some of wording isn't as easy to understand as the rest of the tape. What is heard is Carrie going through some self-reflection on her life to that point and how her past conflicts with those she once called friends made her a stronger person. We wrap up the session with Carrie coming to the realization that someone who she had a particularly intense conflict with may have been someone who needed Carrie as a teacher at the time of their troubles. Tia as always has great advice as to how to resolve the broken friendship. Yet another session full of laughter, answers and insight.  
In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra


KIRI- Ring Mistress MARK CROCKER (Channel)


1.)(0:00)- Kiri is the session's ring mistress so it's a lot of fun as we discuss manifestation, Mary Poppins and the end of the world as predicted by Nostradamus. We also find she can't coerce from Mars to Earth.
2.)13:22)- Karra gives our guests a friendly reminder of the dangers of smoking and advice on how they could be gradually stopped. She provides as well a healing demonstration on one of the house cats.

1.)(2:40)-  Omal discusses disasters as we explore why we hear so much more of them now than in the past. He then confirms to our guest that Sananda was Jesus Christ before going over birth regressions.
2.)(23:17)- Tia gets us to the end of the session by continuing with Carrie's training on astral travel which was being done one-on-one through her dreams. We finish with Carrie's self reflection on her past to now.
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(Kiri is the night's ring mistress)

Russ: this should be interesting tonight, nobody has anything except for Carrie for questions.

Carrie: I wrote down some questions this week.

Russ: and I didn't.

Kiri: shock, horror, stunned, amazement.

Russ: boy, what a change of pace.

Kiri: well, it's nice change.

Russ: yeah, great change.

Kiri: at least somebody's prepared.

Russ: I was going to ask about my fun, little, new toy here but of course it doesn't work anymore. So how come you didn't scan it? Oh, you can't scan it, can you?

Kiri: that's right, I don't astral travel. Well, not worth mentioning anyway and let's not mention things that aren't worth mentioning.

Russ: if you insist. So anyway, Mike's first trip and you get to meet somebody new for a change.

Kiri: oohh, new people.

Russ: very rare.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so how are you doing my dear?

Kiri: fine.

Russ: how's Alex?

Kiri: Alex is fine.

Russ: good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we're going to borrow him.

Kiri: have you asked?

Russ: we're asking now as a matter fact.

Kiri: but you said that as a matter of it's already taken care of.

Russ: well we know your answer.

Kiri: no, you can't borrow him.

Russ: yes we can.

Kiri: says who?

Russ: Mark.

Kiri: hmmmm.

(Russ starts laughing)

Kiri: I'll have to talk to him about this you know.

Russ: well he said it was okay. It's just to put some crystals down in a pyramid, it's pretty simple stuff.

Kiri: so you're going to have him manifesting crystals, huh?

Russ: well yeah, it's only because I can't.

Kiri: he can't either.

Russ: well he can smooth them out.

Kiri: polish them maybe.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: but you're going to have one very tired and bad tempered little boy.

Russ: no, you are. We're just borrowing him.

Kiri: you borrow him, you settle him down, you tend to him when he's cranky.

Russ: well, Karra will.

Kiri: no, you do it.

Russ: hey, I don't know how to handle kids.

Kiri: well, now it's good time to learn.

Russ: well maybe my kids.

Kiri: you sort them out.

Russ: all right, fine, I will.

Kiri: and have you asked him?

Russ: who, Alex?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well not yet, no.

Kiri: well I think you ought to ask him first.

Russ: well I plan on it.

Kiri: you ought to ask his teacher too.

Russ: Omal?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: Omal will be talking.

Kiri: of course.

Russ: I thought you wanted to get him at better at what he does?

Kiri: well, you assumed automatically and already that he was going to do it. You did not ask me.

Russ: we've had this discussion already.

Kiri: but you never asked him.

Russ: didn't I ask him? I didn't ask him?

Carrie: no.

Russ: you sure?

Carrie: you insisted that he was going to help.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we'll have fun.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: he can play with my kids.

Kiri: don't want him corrupted you know.

Russ: that's it, we'll show him Mary Poppins again.

Kiri: definitely not.

(Russ to Carrie)

Russ: well I just showed a Mary Poppins once.

Kiri: and rotted his brain, can you believe it?

Russ: rotted his brains. I grew up on Mary Poppins and look at me, I'm fine.

Kiri: that's a matter of opinion.

Carrie: that's debatable.

Kiri: until I explained it to Russ, Russ thought the world was flat.

Russ: I'll show Alex "Star Wars" for that.

Kiri: don't need to watch "Star Wars", we have the real McCoy up here, you know?

Russ: yes, that's true, that's true. Wookies and all.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well it will be a beneficial experience for him when we're done.

Kiri: what, watching "Star Wars"?

Russ: no, no, no, helping us out. Well I'd do it but it wouldn't last very long.

Kiri: you mean to say you're opposed to actually getting down there and using polishing stones and cloths to polish it yourself? You'd get a little eighteenth month year old.....

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: and you get him to work his poor little tush off. You know your planet has laws against that sort of thing. I ought to turn you in you know. Child labor laws I believe they're called.

Russ: but Alex says he's 18.

Kiri: yeah, months. And don't come running to me when he sets fire to things by looking at them. Do you know what you're getting yourselves into?

Russ: could be fun.

Kiri: yeah, you'll need more than a new apartment by the time he's done.

Russ: well maybe it is a bad idea.

Kiri: sounds like you've got native problems tonight.

Russ: who, the cats?

Kiri: no, they're banging on their drums out there.

Russ: oh, the neighbors.

Kiri: natives.

Russ: natives, neighbors. Well you know, I can't hear them so it doesn't matter to me.

Kiri: that's all that loud music you listen to. So, you guys have been listening to......

Carrie: well now I did hear something when I went upstairs but I thought it was the video that Mark was recording.

Kiri: you have questions?

Carrie: I have one I can ask you.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: there you go.

Carrie: okay, when a person has psychic visions, they often can't prevent it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: what's the use of predicting an event if you can't prevent it if there is no way to prove it?

Kiri: it's a warning.

Carrie: a warning for what?

Kiri: for the person that's predicting the event. They can tell people that it's going to happen and people are going to die and people are going to disbelieve them.

Carrie: but what if....? Because like when I was younger, when I used to do things....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I predicted it the night before it happened so when it did happen that day....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I mean, I always thought it was just a dream and then it would happen that day, I haven't had a chance to talk to anyone about it or just stop it.

Kiri: uh-huh, but was it things relating to you?

Carrie: once there was. Once there was an airplane crash that I predicted and it happened that morning......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I predicted that night. And the other time was when my best friend had died, I predicted it that night.

Kiri: well it's preparing you for the worst. It's preparing you for the worst, it's a preparation.

Russ: preparing for the worst?

Carrie: yeah but......

Kiri: expect the worst and.........yeah, but........

Carrie: you know what I mean?

Kiri: but it's a way of learning what's going to happen and preparing you for it and being able to understand that being able to know something but there's nothing that you can do about it.

Russ: well it's like Nostradamus predicted that the end of the world would be foretold......

Carrie: you butthead.

Russ: what?

Carrie: you complete butthead.

Russ: what?

Carrie: you're a moron.

Russ: what?

Carrie: you have no questions and you took it because I talked to you the other night about Nostradamus.

Russ: it doesn't have anything to do with her questions, she's automatically saying it does.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Russ: I'm afraid not darling. Will you listen to my question and then decide?

Carrie: yeah, but it's only because we were talking about it the other night that you bring up Nostradamus.

Russ: no, it's because the news report I heard a week ago that I'm coming up with this.

Carrie: uh-huh, sure.

Russ: so hush up and let me talk.

Carrie: okay.

(Carrie starts to chuckle)

Russ: Nostradamus predicted that the end of the world would be foretold by a bearded star. A bearded star has been seen as the comet that just hit Jupiter. Because it broke up and looked like a bearded star through the telescopes and yet does this foretell the end of the world or hitting and we don't see major destruction's happening because of it?

Kiri: but it's not on your planet so how can it be affecting your planet? The only way that it could affect your planet is if Jupiter had enough heat generated by the explosion that the chemical reaction necessary for it to ignite would occur.

Russ: right.

Carrie: maybe Nostradamus was predicting about Jupiter.

Russ: well looking at this and it's not happening.......

Kiri: uh-huh, so obviously.......

Carrie: Nostradamus, if you've ever studied on Nostradamus, he said things in ways that he could not have basically slit his own throat. When he predicted JFK's assassination, he said in the midst of the trees. He did not say the grassy knoll. He said there would be a second assassin in the midst of the trees or in the midst of the woods.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: he meant the grassy knoll.

Kiri: you have to remember that when he was writing it, people did tend to get burned at the stake for witchcraft.

Carrie: that's why he was killed, because he did get killed because his witchcraft.

Kiri: no, he died of natural causes, he saw his own death.

Carrie: oh, that's right, I was thinking of Edgar Casey.

Russ: well Casey died of natural causes too.

Kiri: who?

Carrie: Edgar Casey, in the 1930's, he was a prophet too.

Kiri: a seer.

Carrie: yeah, well they called Nostradamus a prophet but one of my questions was going to be about the prophets who predicted the end of the world and have predicted so many events that came true. I mean there is so much talk about the end of the world right now, and so much of their predictions came true, it would help if end of the world isn't going to come true.

Kiri: well, some prophets of already said the world would end in '82, '88, '91, apparently we're all...or you've been all too drunk to notice that it's already ended.

Carrie: who said that? I heard that on TV the other day.

Kiri: I said it

Carrie: no, I heard it on TV.

Kiri: I said it a while back.

Carrie: while I was here?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I could of swore I heard it on TV too.

Kiri: it's in one of those tapes over there.

Carrie: maybe you did, maybe that was you.

Kiri: I get around you know.

(Carrie starts to chuckle)

Kiri: stick out my leg and shake it at passing spacecraft and hitch a ride.

Russ: hey by the way, you pregnant yet?

Kiri: won't know until tomorrow.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: trying, trying very hard, practicing lots.

Carrie: that's the best part.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well good luck tomorrow.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so my dear, anything you can do to help me fix my new toy?

Kiri: I can reprogram it if you want.

Russ: when you turn off the machine, it's supposed to go back to the factory settings.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: this is going back to stuff that was never even entered in at the factory.

Kiri: I wonder what sort of energy she's using. We do have a search party out for her.

Russ: look for Mark and you'll find Tia.

Kiri: well we've asked the computer to locate her and it tells us where she is and by the time we get there she's gone. Well she's kind of walking around in a pattern, trying to figure out if there's a pattern to this random pattern. Okay, more questions.

Carrie: mine seem so stupid now.

Kiri: well ask them anyway.

Russ: if not, it's a good laugh.

Carrie: at least I have my own questions.

Russ: oh, like I'm stealing yours.

Carrie: you are.

Russ: yeah right.

Kiri: if you want, I can coerce him to stick his fingers down his throat.

Carrie: no, that's too harsh.

Kiri: well how about up his nose?

Carrie: okay.

Russ: try your best my dear.

Carrie: just joking.

Russ: give it your best shot. She doesn't have the range.

Kiri: no I don't unfortunately, sometimes I can do it.

Carrie: wait until you get up there.

(Carrie gives an evil laugh)

(Karra is one of the four regular speakers tonight)

Karra: good evening.

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: greetings beanpole.

Russ: welcome back.

Karra: Carrie....

Carrie: hi Karra.

Karra: and.......Mike.

Mike: hi.

Russ: what's up darling?

Karra: patience.

Russ: I'm learning it, aren't I?

Karra: yes indeed.

Russ: yes.

Karra: okay, let us get down to business.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: don't look at me.

(Russ and Carrie start laughing)

Karra: as I was about to say, we've got some nicotine going over there. Arm patches.

Russ: that's a good point. I mean I don't know, Carrie told me the other night she was reaching for a cigarette and put it back in the pack.

Carrie: I did last night. I was getting mad and I went for a cigarette and I put it back. And I've only smoked like maybe six today.

Karra: that's six too many.

Carrie: I know.

Karra: and you smoke too, don't you?

Carrie: can't you tell her?

Karra: it is hard when many people smoke. There are three smokers in this room and one ex-smoker of other substances. So we've got a really good collection here.

Russ: oh yeah.

Carrie: collection of......

Russ: lungs from hell.

Karra: little, black, uckey gunk nestled around in the various little air sacs.

Russ: well that's all right.

Karra: you put it on pause?

Russ: no it's not, it's still going. No, they do have good news because of the fact they've seen my play toy and they know they have to avoid smoking indoors.

Carrie: yes.

Karra: good, good good. Okay, I'll ignore that for you tonight.

Carrie: okay.

Russ: yeah, she'll be dead, in the ground with lung cancer and she will have quit eventually.

(Carrie and Mike both start laughing)

Karra: Kiri's telling me that Mark says that giving up smoking is on his list of things to do after breathing.

Russ: let me know how it will work out. You have to admire the ideals that.....

Karra: yes, the ideals that unfortunately do not meet up with practice.

Russ: oh well.

Karra: anyway, you have questions.

Carrie: well I was going to give you the update on my health, thank you.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I'm sure everybody's clued you in.

Karra: yes.

Carrie: but I'm going back to the doctor tomorrow......

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: because I'm still bleeding and I got really sick last night. I still don't think it's what he said it was, I don't think.

Karra: yeah, said it was an infection.

Carrie: yeah. Said it was like PID, pelvic inflammatory disease.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and I talked to another woman today who's had like six miscarriages and she said she thinks it might be a tubal pregnancy. My mother's sticking with it, the doctor said what he thought it was but he didn't find any toxins in my blood but then I've been so healthy the past six months that my blood might just be rejecting away out of me.

Karra: that's a possibility.

Carrie: you know? Because all I've been feeding my body is natural stuff.

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: I've been taking natural vitamins, herbs in the morning, I don't put any chemicals in my body anymore. And so......

Karra: you drink tea don't you?

Carrie: yeah, all the time.

Karra: you smoke cigarettes.

Carrie: well yeah.

Karra: but you're eating good stuff.

Carrie: yeah. I'm I'm taking good stuff that's cleaning out my body. Karra, here I am thinking I'm doing good.

Karra: yeah, "I keep my body healthy".

Carrie: I'm not saying that it's totally healthy. I'm just saying that the inside, the inside is healthier than it's ever been before.

(Karra takes an imaginary drag on a cigarette)

Karra: that's good.

Carrie: my blood....

Karra: has traces of nicotine in it.

Carrie: ohh.

Karra: I wouldn't make such a big fuss over it if I didn't care.

Carrie: I know.

Karra: somebody's just been frog marched in.

Russ: ahh, she's back.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: you found her.

Karra: yes, under armed escort. Okay, questions.

Russ: okay. Edgar Casey was speaking about it in the middle of my book and I just noticed it in my library the other day when I was going through there but he's got a book on healing. And I didn't realize I had that in my library until I had this spotted. And one very........well what benefits might, if you have any recollection, that he might be able to be of help?

Karra: there's a paragraph in there that's on about channeling energies.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: might be useful for you to read it, can't remember what part it's in. Okay, we're going to link up with Kiri for a bit.

Russ: okay, cool.

(Kiri and Karra both now share Mark's body)

Kiri: it's crowded in here. So much space that's crammed packed full. Okay.

Karra: first of all, can you stop her just in case she decides to vandalize? There's the problem.

Russ: what's the problem?

Karra: bruised. Okay, you can release her and make a big fuss of her. Now we can't really pack ice around it to bring the bruising down, otherwise she's going to get very funny and misbehave. Healing 101. Actually, this is class two which would be 201 or 102? Okay, if we can get to.....

Russ: can you use me?

Karra: well we're pulling energy out. No, she's not cooperating. I've never worked on felines before.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: can't get in there because she's got her paw tucked under and I don't want to bring the paw out. With your aid, I want to do it naturally.

Russ: I can move it this way......

Karra: no, I want her to do it naturally, got to get her relaxed. That's better, we're going to do it nice and we go. Oh, you can whisper louder if you want. There, good.....okay. And who says that Kiri can't coerce over distance? Okay, it's starting to hurt her a little bit, it's warming up which is what we want but she's a skitty cat. Okay, that will do for the time being as it's pretty potent. Okay, I'm going to have to disengage from trouble. Okay, we got the weird(?) out.

Russ: well that's good.

Karra: uh-huh, okay.

Russ: oh, so that's the ticket though. One crystal for pulling energy out......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: one crystal for pulling energy in.

Karra: that's right. Yes, Kiri is much more in tune with the host. They share a sense of humor.

Russ: anyway, Mike was talking about

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but what is some of the ways to use 
Psionics to suit our needs?

Karra: oh, lots and lots of different ways. You want me to list them?

Russ: well, just the basic ones.

Karra: now, you remember the crystal arrangement that we had last week?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: that is an example there, creating a resonance between all the crystals.

Russ: I see.

Karra: it creates a field around them. And having......

Russ: wait a minute, I wasn't here for that, Carrie was.

Carrie: I was?

Karra: that's correct.

Russ: Friday, I wasn't even in the room, you were.

Karra: it was a week ago, it wasn't Friday.

Russ: it was Tuesday, right. I didn't get to see the crystals.

Karra: no, we had the healing crystal in its bowl over there, we had the energy crystal behind it and we had two clusters.

Russ: oh.

Karra: and what happens is by striking the bowl, it creates a resonance in the main healing crystal which then vibrates out and creates a
resonance in the other crystals. And the energy crystal at the back helps to amplify.

Russ: oh, I see. So it feeds back on itself?

Karra: correct.

Russ: which is the same thing as Psionics.

Karra: correct.

Russ: where was Carrie during all of this?

Karra: sitting in the middle. Best place to be. Now we had to........because I was not too certain of my assumption because everything being rushed and set up......

Kerry: well, it's more like you got rushed.

Karra: that's right. And it was a big, well not a big, big glow like broken arms or legs I can fix easily, but it was big enough to notice and signal an area that seemed a bit.......was it, spreading? You see a white glow in the center and you can tell it is spreading out and it's hard to say it's the center. Sometimes the center isn't actually where the damage is so you see, it's hard to say.

Russ: now Carrie has to go to the doctor tomorrow.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so, what's wrong?

Karra: nothing.

Russ: with her?

Karra: not too sure yet. I'd have to run some tests, feel the energy field. But as you going to a doctor tomorrow, we can come and give you a second opinion. But there isn't that much of a change in your aura that would make me assume that it was something else so I'm kind of at a loss.

Russ: yes. Oh, I like our new staircase by the way.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so anyway, why does Sirius have purple grass?

Karra: why do you have green grass?

Russ: chlorophyll.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: so why does Sirius have purple grass?

Karra: you have purple grass in some places.

Russ: do we?

Karra: uh-huh. Not as bright as ours but there are plants that have purple leaves that do just as fine. It is what is suited to each environment.

Carrie: okay, here's a good question.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: why is the sky blue?

Karra: it's to do with water moisture mainly.

Russ: so the sun reflecting off of water moisture.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Karra: pretty much.

Carrie: water is not blue though. The reflection of water is blue but water is clear.

Karra: exactly.

Carrie: how did it make a reflection?

Karra: it's to do with visible light and the spectrum being broken down by........oh, it's quite hard to explain.

Russ: oh, so that's why the water we see as blue and that's why the sky is blue because it's interchangeable as it is on Sirius where you have way more water and you have blue skies also.

Karra: uh-huh, deductive reasoning.

Russ: they have like planets with green skies and purple skies and stuff, right?

Karra: purple yes, but it's more of a reddy purple. Red skies? Yes. Yellow do with the brightness of the sun and white skies, again to do with the brightness of the sun and the type of suns.

Russ: oh.

Karra: you see the sun plays a very big part. This is being relayed to me.

Carrie: cheating?

Karra: I'm not an astronomer, I'm a healer, remember that.

(Russ and Carrie start to chuckle)

Russ: that's a good one.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I enjoyed that.

Carrie: I thought that was cute.

Karra: you don't say much, do you Mike? He's a bit bewildered by all this I assume.

Mike: I understand.

Karra: uh-huh. If you have any questions feel free to ask, it doesn't matter......

Carrie: how stupid they are.

Karra: yeah, because.....

Russ: you should look at some of ours.

Mike: I found that out, yeah.

Karra: believe you me, I can hit a person from here that's asking really dumb questions.

Russ: Kiri's even better than that.

Karra: yes.

Russ: well Carrie asked a question that's kinda curious and Mark's response was to ask Kiri and that is Carrie asked, "why it is that........or if she has a double upon the fifth dimension?"

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and when Mark asked Kiri the same question, he found out that he didn't.

Karra: he didn't.

Russ: would that be the same with Carrie then or does she have a double on fifth dimension?

Karra: can't really discuss that.

Carrie: can't tell me?

Karra: you have to come up here and ask.

Carrie: I'm trying, I'm trying.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I'm getting there, close, right?

Karra: you'd have to talk to our resident scitty kitty.

Carrie: well I know she has been working with me a lot.

Karra: uh-huh, you'd have to ask her.

Russ: okay. All right, now on my level on working with my
Psionic device here.......

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and I'm working with you on how to assemble that thing. Now basically, the subatomic particles that I'm sending through that, are all controlled by the mind. And so that any thought that I have is going to reflect where those particles go and what they do, correct?

Karra: yes.

Russ: okay. Now do I need an exact idea of what they're going to do on to the very molecular level or do they already know that?

Karra: you need an exact idea, you need to be able visualize it.

Russ: so if I want to work on say........well let's say cavities in my mouth, I want to fix any teeth problems I have, I have to know exactly how cavities are filled in.

Karra: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: man.

Karra: uh-huh. But it does help......

Carrie: you could be a doctor after this.

Karra: sorry?

Carrie: say, you could be a doctor after this.

Karra: uh-huh. Well I need help up here with my team.

Russ: could have fooled me. Anyway, you were saying?

Karra: about needing help?

Russ: no, before that.

Karra: oh yes, you have to know exactly the structure of the type of material that you need to build to replace the damaged area.

Russ: do I need atomic measurements and stuff? Atomic makeup of something that's......

Karra: no.

Russ: just that teeth are made up of.....

Karra: calcium.

Russ: calcium.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: but even knowing the fact that it's calcium but even knowing the fact that is calcium, how many molecules to what.....

Karra: no, you don't have to be that detailed, you just keep going until it's filled in.

Russ: and so in another words, when I'm working with this on other people, it's helpful for me to know....

Karra: yes.

Russ: a little bit more about what is hurt.

Karra: but it's also handy to talk to them first to find out what ails them.

Russ: right. Okay, that's why I wouldn't attempt to do anything with Carrie right now due to the fact........

Karra: for example, you asked somebody if they got a pain in the chest, right?

Russ: right.

Karra: and you ask them, "well, what have you been doing to cause a pain in the chest?" Anybody got a pain in their chest here or have one from time to time?

Carrie: uh-huh.

Mike: yeah.

Karra: okay, now you have a pain in your we go, healing time or an example of. "Are you athletically active?" Okay, you said you have a pain in your chest Mike?

Mike: yeah.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: he was shaking his head.

Karra: yeah. What sort of work environment do you have?

Mike: stressful.

Karra: stressful. Is there any pollutants constantly in the air? What type of pollutants? Is that a fine particle? Do you wear facemasks?

Mike: I use facemasks sometimes.

Karra: uh-huh. Do you ever feel that your nose is clogged up?

Mike: it happens a lot.

Karra: can you taste it in your mouth sometimes?

Mike: that's true.

Karra: and here's the real crunch question, do you smoke?

Mike: true.

Karra: there is a way of stopping it.

Mike: how's that?

Karra: quit smoking and wear a facemask more often. Okay, Carrie, your chest pains, what is your work environment?

Carrie: I don't like where this is going, God.

Karra: well I've got to have my fun too you know. Kiri's had hers. It probably goes the same for Mark too, that he needs to quit. I do enjoy this.

Russ: yes. Well at least they don't live in L.A..

Karra: true, true, that would really aggravate it.

Russ: yeah. Okay, so there's a bright spot I see.

Karra: uh-huh. But there is a way of cutting down on the damage that you have caused though.

Russ: what's that?

Karra: regular exercise.

Carrie: I exercise.

Karra: uh-huh. They've worked for years.

Russ: well don't they have cigarettes that lower the tar and nicotine and all that stuff?

Karra: all cigarettes are bad.

Carrie: yeah.

Russ: well yeah.

Carrie: but I do, I exercise. I work out.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and my job is really inclined and I walk.

Karra: uh-huh. Do you guys like walking in the woods?

Carrie: oh that reminds me, I've got a physical fitness test done the other day?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and we did breathing capacity and lung capacity.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: and only having one lung and smoking, I got a 3500 total, Average is 3000.

Karra: that's not too bad. I think the tape's almost ready to flip over.

Carrie: not too bad, that's excellent.

Karra: do you want me to show you how it should be done?

Carrie: what? Put in another tape or what?

Karra: no. Oh, dodge the question, dodge the question. Bite the bullet.

Carrie: I'd say that's really good though.

Karra: uh-huh, I'd say it's good but you should be doing 4000 easy.

Carrie: I could.

 Karra: uh-huh, that's right.

Carrie: yeah, that's the hardest thing. I'm trying to quit smoking.

Karra: you need to be mentally active whilst you're quitting, you need a substitute. Chewing gum.

Carrie: I chew gum all the time anyways.

Karra: okay, what you can do is gradually, instead many cigarettes do you smoke a day? You smoke six.

Carrie: well today.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay, what you do is you find a packet, an empty packet, right? And you put 15 cigarettes in.....





(Karra only has a bit left to go)

Karra: and that will last you one day. The following day you put fourteen cigarettes in there.

Carrie: yeah, that's something that could be taken down by one.

Karra: uh-huh, drop down one each day. And when you get down to ten a day, right? You have to fight it. It is very important to fight it because the nicotine needs to be flushed out of the system.

Russ: so you're talking about a fifteen day program?

Karra: no, actually I'm talking more along the lines of a thirty day one. Because when you reach ten, you stay steady at ten for let's say five days and then you start to go down again. From ten down to five and then you hold again at five for five days. And then you go down to two and hold steady for a couple days on two and then you go down to one a day and then you go down to one occasionally and after a while occasionally becomes infrequent to none. I've been doing some studying on this.

Carrie: the last time I tries to do it? Mike made me go back to smoking. Because I was so freaked out for three days on this biggest rap....

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: I'm so emotional, I got in my car and I started to cry.

Karra: yeah. Okay, now also what you need to do is to have cigarettes at set times.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Karra: change it.

Carrie: that's what I need to do, change the habitual times.

Karra: uh-huh. You tell yourself I can wait a minute. That minute goes by and wait another minute. Okay, no more questions?

Carrie: no more questions until the next speaker comes on.

(Kiri jumps on to get us to the next speaker)

Kiri: okay, let me put the next person on.

Russ: okay.

Carrie: hi Tia.

Kiri: noooo.

Russ: that's Kiri.

Carrie: Kiri, I get it.

(Omal comes on as the main speaker of the night)

Omal: greetings and felicitations.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Carrie: hello Omal.

Omal: greetings, greetings and greetings.

Russ: this is Mike over there.

Omal: greetings, it is a pleasure to meet you.

Russ: all right, questions.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: my first question is........

Omal: let's have Carrie ask a question.

Russ: I'm sorry, go ahead Carrie. If you'd like to ask a question, you may now.

Carrie: well now I feel totally stupid now.

(both Russ and Carrie start laughing)

Omal: okay, let us hear your question.

Carrie: mine or Russ'?

Omal: yours.

Carrie: mine. Just any question?

Omal: any question.

Carrie: okay. Why are so many massive disasters increasing in the past few years?

Omal: it is because communication has become better established so therefore disasters are easier to be heard. Take for example disasters in the Andes. Ten years ago, communication was not that good for that area. Satellites did not cover as much of your planet as they do now. Now with telephone satellite links and fiber-optic cables, is easier to be able to find information from anywhere on the planet.

Carrie: so basically, the same things have of been happening for so many years and it's been happening for so long that we just never realized that it was happening until the past few years.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: plus, the levels of disaster have gone up too with the population growing at an alarming rate. Anything that's a natural disaster, we have got a lot more people getting killed.

Omal: news status also is getting better.

Carrie: yeah, that's true.

Russ: used to be people were dying, nobody hears about it. That same area, the same thing happens, you got a thousand, 10,000 people die.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: like that cloud of chlorine gas that came out of that lake and killed 10,000 people.

Omal: yes.

Carrie: that town that got hit?

Russ: yeah, there was just chlorine gas developing at the bottom of the lake and it was very serious.

Omal: what happened is that the lake reached a point that the amount of chlorine in the water needed to escape. The water was no longer able to hold it like before and it just kept bubbling up through.

Russ: yeah, the temperature changed.

Carrie: that's no good.

Russ: and there's many lakes in the United States that has the same thing due to global warming. The temperature at large in the lakes would heat up and release the chlorine gas that's trapped because of the cold layers and the same thing would happen .

Omal: it depends on if it's a rapid warming. If it's a gradual warming, the temperature slowly settles further and further down into the lake which means that as it sinks down, the heat releases the gas at a steady rate as opposed to a sudden change.

Russ: I see.

Carrie: and when that does happen, it some serious bad gas?

Omal: yes, serious upheavals. Normally it occurs during an Ice Age.

Carrie: so that could be into us soon.

Omal: well within next 10,000 years.

Carrie: oh right.

Russ: we've been told the pole shift can't happen in our lifetime.

Omal: no, 10,000 years is not in your lifetime. It is not even in a Sirian's lifetime.

Carrie: so we won't be around to see the show.

Omal: no. Okay, next question please Carrie.

Carrie: why do so many people commit their entire lives to the next ascension?

Omal: to them, it is the way. They see that they can no longer function on that level so therefore they need to go elsewhere. Not necessarily to ascend but to a new place of learning.

Carrie: so why don't they try to get to that future?

Omal: sometimes they misunderstand what they see. They talk about major earthquakes and so on and how many of these people have actually been proven correct?

Carrie: one or two. Nostradamus and Edgar Casey.

Omal: well they have been......

Carrie: not with the natural disasters.....

Omal: no.

Carrie: for most of their predictions.

Omal: yes, but the end of the world didn't happen.

Carrie: no, no it didn't.

Omal: but the end of the world would be seen as many different possibilities. A nuclear holocaust, the world as you know it would end. A meteor striking your planet of a large size, that could force your planet to end as you know it. A change in the cycle of the sun could increase activities and sunspots. Either an early Ice Age or an increase in heat.

Russ: Omal?

Omal: uh-huh?

Russ: isn't it possible the end of the world is we're taking it completely too literally? 

Omal: yes.

Russ: I mean, couldn't the end of the world actually be just the end of the way of a lifestyle?

Omal: yes.

Carrie: my girlfriend has a real bad.......I mean paranoia all the time.

Omal: perhaps she ought to attend one of these sessions?

Carrie: I asked her to many times and she says she's very interested in it but she says, and she's admitted this to herself, that she's too afraid. And I asked her why and she said she isn't interested.

Omal: well tell her we are, or most of the people up here are people like she is. If you prick Karra, will she not bleed? If you prick Tia, does she not bleed?

(Carrie and Russ breaks out in laughter)

Omal: sorry, I do not understand.

Carrie: I'm sorry, I totally did not mean to laugh. That was horrible Russ.

Russ: sorry.

Omal: I do not understand.

Russ: that's all right....

Omal: okay.

Russ: just as well.

Omal: let us continue when you have regained your composure.

Carrie: I lost track, I forgot what I was thinking. So, I don't know, I want to help her but I know she's only going to go at her own pace.

Omal: tell her she she has an invite to a channeling session.

Carrie: because I mean, she's got the insight but she so third dimensional in what she does too much to build and weigh her down. And I don't know, maybe I'm too concerned about people around me, the ones that I see that have potential to go forward, I don't want to see her regress.

Omal: no, you want to help her. It is a very commendable thing to do.

Carrie: sometimes I'm afraid things might start happening to my friends.

Omal: no, you have Mike to help you.

Carrie: that I do, that I do.

Omal: okay, next question.

Russ: okay, I'll go with one of mine. Okay, yesterday I talked to a gentleman named Virgil Armstrong.

Omal: yes, he has heard of us.

Russ: yes, he has heard of Ashtar Command. And he mentioned a time about seven years ago when he got a manifestation in his living room of Korton, Monka. Now, for some reason I didn't think Korton was able to do that.

Omal: with the aid of others he can.

Russ: oh I see, so it leads me back.

Omal: yes. The reason why it was done was we were asked. He asked us.

Russ: oh he did? What is going on?

Carrie: I'm sorry. I had a thought but you had to see it Omal on my face and I just started laughing, I'm sorry.

Omal: that's quite all right, humor is a very useful tool.

Carrie: I'm sorry. Keep going, I'll keep this thought and then I'll ask you.

Omal: okay.

Russ: right.

Omal: so that he asked us to show him some powerful way for him to perceive us. He was at a crossroads in his life and it is rare that will make the exception to the rules. But when it is necessary, and we have weighed all the outcomes and possibilities, we will take action.

Russ: and it will show in hindsight what is possible with Ashtar Command.

Omal: yes.

Russ: well awesome. Not money wise of course for information wise.

Omal: yes, that is our prime goal is for information.

Russ: I think skip the next question for Carrie here.

Omal: perhaps we ought to answer it before, what is the expression? Carrie busts a gut?

Carrie: it's his fault, he's teasing me. He's making me laugh.

Omal: sheer bliss.

Carrie: I'm sorry.

Omal: that is quite welcome. Light entertainment is necessary sometimes.

Russ: indeed. Okay, now with Virgil Marcus Armstrong, he has mentioned that he's too busy to correspond with our website but he did say that if we have any information that would benefit him, send it to him and he will respond at that point. So if there is a message or anything or something......

Omal: we would pass it on directly to him but if you wish to become involved.....

Russ: yes, some day actually.

Omal: when it is necessary to relay a message, we will relay it to him and to you.

Russ: okay, that will help us by getting the message in two ways.

Omal: yes, and he will know that you are not just faking.

Russ: right.

(Russ to Carrie)

Russ: Virgil Armstrong is a gentleman working with the government and had access to seeing how some groups of extraterrestrials had agreements with some of our presidents and governments.

Carrie: yeah.

Russ: right. He was one of the people that first exposed them and he's been traveling in Europe and the Americas on speaking tours about the same thing and talking about Ashtar Command.

Omal: and never staying in one place long enough in one bed.

Carrie: so he knows about us?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: he didn't know about Hades Base though.

Omal: no.

Russ: he didn't know about you or Hades Base so I guess I assume what he's been told.

Omal: yes, that is all we would say.

Omal: now, back to your question, before you started......

Carrie: I was going ask you about Sananda.

Omal: uh-huh. Yes, what do you wish to know?

Carrie: what level he's from?

Omal: he's past a level nine.

Carrie: because when Russ told me about Sananda, of course I was doubtful because that was like an unreachable dimension. Because it was just extremely strange Russ saying that Sananda was our Jesus Christ.

Omal: yes, he is a level nine.

Omal: it is hard sometimes to when people say will, you look at possibilities. Sananda was and will be. But it is when you look at timelines, it is hard to differentiate. Because for one part of Sananda it hasn't happened, for another part of him it already has, you see?

Carrie: so......

Omal: it is hard to comprehend.

Carrie: I'm almost afraid to talk about it.

Omal: try.

Russ: why?

Carrie: I don't know, just because. I was raised with believing that Jesus Christ was Jesus Christ as my mom said. Sananda.....

Omal: yes, but he was Jesus Christ.

Carrie: well I know but it's just really weird the way the religion goes.

Russ: well no, because as I was taught, the fifth dimension was, or the sixth dimension......

Omal: yes.

Carrie: it is. Not just that, is just a way of living. But I asked Russ if he would attend our session if it was possible.

Omal: luck. I think that Sananda being present for a channeling session would be a once in a decade event.

Carrie: every ten years?

Omal: yes. There again, you could get him next week which means that you could be waiting 10 years to meet him and miss it and he was available again next week and you wouldn't see him again for 10 years.

Russ: that's true, I've seen him twice in this time.

Carrie: I know, I was just......

Omal: at the end of one decade and the start of a new one.

Russ: right.

Carrie: make you go out at night.

Omal: do I have to?

Carrie: not you, Russ. I don't know, it's just when Russ told me about it, it was phenomenal to me because I think I've always idolized Jesus Christ for what he was while he was here because he spoke of love and goodness of life around love. Basically everything we try to get to.........

Omal: yes.

Carrie: that we want to get to in your life.

Omal: which is the perfect setting up to ascend.

CarrieL yeah.

Omal: next question.

Russ: so he basically came down to third dimension?

Omal: yes, and to teach many lessons.

Russ: I think that's a combination of his soul names?

Omal: yes.

Russ: and Jesus Christ was just what he was called when he was down here?

Omal: yes. It is like......many different names, what.......

Russ: Jesus Christ is our translation of what they called him.....

Omal: yes.

Russ: but that's not what he was called.

Carrie: but why down here on this dimension, why do people, why is religion such a fad right now? People are making God out to be a hateful, I don't love you, judgmental God.

Omal: because you need fear to advance, you also need the crutch of religion to help you.

Carrie: but I don't know, I guess I just don't understand because I'm kind and thoughtful.

Omal: it is a reflection of the individuals.

Russ: oh, I see.

Carrie: so if I'm a hateful person......

Omal: yes.

Carrie: if I had a lot of hate inside of me.....

Omal: yes.

Carrie: I would believe that God was hateful.

Omal: yes.

Carrie: so being that I don't have a lot of hate inside of me, I believe the opposite.

Russ: but if you were hateful and you attracted a lot of the same people to you....

Carrie: well yes, I can speak through experience because I have before when I was very hateful and had a very low self-esteem and I basically didn't believe in myself very hard at the time.

Russ: now you try a different choice.

Carrie: well yeah I did because I've made a better life for myself.

Omal: last question please.

Russ: I don't have any.

Omal: Carrie?

Carrie: no.

Omal: Michael?

Mike: I don't know.

Omal: next time.

Mike: I know. Spur of the moment.

Omal: yes, we can ask questions on many different fields of physics. We can discuss past, future possibilities. And Russ will explain how in the channeling sessions how we predict the future probabilities.

Carrie: okay, before you go, your personal opinion on birth regressions. Taking my mind back into my mother's womb, not my body.

Omal: for what function?

Carrie: to understand it because it's something because my birth was an extremely painful, very.......

Omal: it has a lot to do with your life. To understand the experience and the process and how it sets you up for the future.

Carrie: that's what I mean. Because my mother's explained a lot and I just go just the whole experience alone was traumatizing.

Omal: yes.

Carrie: I mean my birth was not normal.

Omal: it is traumatizing for all offspring. Going from a nice, warm, comfortable environment out into a harsh, cold environment.

Carrie: well it wasn't just my birth, it was being inside of my mother during the pregnancy. A lot of the different things that happened. And my mother and I have a very strong connection now to this day and I've often wondered if maybe that was one of the reasons stems to why I don't get sick.(?)

Omal: it is possible, it is possible. It would be an experience that would be worth the price.

Russ: one day I'll get the ideas of how to do it somehow.

Omal: I'll be back.

Russ: okay, we'll be here.

Omal: Omal to enterprise, one to beam up. Farewell.

Russ: bye.

(Tia joins the session to get us to the end)

Tia: questions, please?

Russ: Carrie, your questions?

Carrie: so how's my astral traveling doing?

Tia: it's getting there, you're getting better. But patience, you've got to learn how to walk before you can run. You have to get used to the feeling. Don't fight it. So it's a dreamy like feeling that's nice and floaty.

Carrie: so it's just nice and floaty. Do you have time........oh, are you going?

Tia: no.

Carrie: oh......when you have time to visit me, can you help me to get there?

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: so I can see you?

Tia: it's a residue in your mind I assume.

Carrie: did you see what happened to me last night, when I was holding the pistol? It was so real. It was totally different. I had to get up out of bed to call Russ because I was gonna wake up Mike with it.

Tia: I was warned of the feelings.

Carrie: it wasn't me, it was a really strange feeling. And I got really happy and I got really happy and I started getting all excited because I just felt happy that I had cured myself of the warts and I'd cured myself of the thing and it just hit me. And then I called Russ I asked him am I slow?

Tia: what did Karra tell you that you had an ability.

Carrie: uh-huh. But it just hit me last night that I was holding the subconscious gun. And I said out loud to Karra and all of a sudden it was like pow, it did it. Because Russ had told me specifically about the power of thought imagery. But Mira suggested even trying to analyze my dreams and I  noticed a pattern when I did that.

Tia: sleep brings on the release of the body.

Carrie: and then when I go to sleep at night, actually the pain in my throat and there's been times where I woke up crying or in a cold sweat. In my dreams they're turning out as that I'm trying to remind myself that it's not about an agenda.

Tia: that's right, maybe it's also reminding you that each day is how wonderful it is and tomorrow will be different.

Carrie: I was discovering as going to have a kid is a prevent and then I became so afraid that if I kept thinking about it that it would happen and then that's another possibility. If by put another week of my mind to that reason that I block them out as practice. I guess I just built up this wall because I don't want to put up with the pain.

Tia: always had to accept that as part of life.

Carrie: I just I've that feeling in my mind until I met him, he just the first person ever opened up to and allowed into my mind that has ever really cared about me. I mean most of all my other relationships, even mother, father, brother, I was always kind of apart in my relationships. And just I remember back to the feelings that I got from those relationships because he's the best person in my life, I can't imagine the other way could be.

Tia: it's a positive.

Carrie: but I feel that as I build my personality much stronger and a better person and I will not attract these types of relationships to me.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: because those people that did these things to me, I allowed them because I wasn't strong enough to stop it. And the more that they did it the more I allowed it.

Tia: you have to be strong enough to stand up to your own weaknesses.

Carrie: I think I have done a really good job at it for the past couple years alone because I have most of my friends.

Tia: those friends that you've lost, what were they like?

Carrie: well, they were just a group of friends that were very mean and very abusive. I hated myself more than anybody in the world when I remember looking back on it. Because I thought that was the type of person I was. I used to think that these people could hurt me this way? If these people said these things, then maybe it's true.

Tia: the thing is to figure out how did you use that in the past to make you even stronger.

Carrie: well I think I have. I don't feel the need I use to. I don't feel anger. Instead of feeling well that person is just scum, I feel well that person how I'll like analyze their situation and I think well, this person is just learning a certain type of their lesson. Their learning that right now and apparently I came across their path for a learning. Which takes me back to a friend who, we been together for eighteen years and I've never understand why. I don't trust her, she lies, she's vindictive and she's tried many times to hurt me many times and has succeeded. But just a few weeks ago I realized the purpose, it just came to me. She hurt me, or I allowed her to hurt me, I allowed her to affect my life. And that night he went home I was just so mad. I sat down and I thought about it and it sort of like, "well maybe there's something from her I have to learn". And the next moment that happens I woke up and went. "You know? Well sure there's things that I have to learn from her which I have learned since I lived with her. But it came to me, it was like, "you know, I have to teach her".

Tia: to teach her?

Carrie: because I'm the only one strong enough in mind and body at this point in time that will affect her. Because I've noticed what I do and what I say affects her tremendously. I mean she's even admitted in our relationship that she purposely tries to hurt me. I put up with her jealousies, insecurities and her own fears.

Tia: the first thing to do is to break down her fears and you break down her insecurities and then finally, and hardest of all, you work on her jealousy.


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