How Long Before Reincarnation and Sananda’s Curriculum-

Channeled (10/17/1995 )

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Archivist Notes: Like anyone who visits this website, I am a student of the unknown and every time I hear a tape I've chosen to put online is the first time I've heard that channeling session since it was first recorded. I never know what to expect and now, thanks to Kiri, I've lost my fear of death and discovered much about Sananda I had only suspected. What fear of death I've had has always been based on how long it would be before I would either be back on this dimension or instead, joined Karra after an ascension. Thanks to Kiri I can happily say that fear has been eliminated by finally getting a definitive answer on how long there is between lives from someone I consider to be an expert on the subject. I've always assumed there might be as much as hundreds of years between lives and that a much smaller number could possibly be fewer than ten was knowledge I had completely blocked out somehow. That the maximum amount could be mere decades answers one question and presents several more. For example, how many lives does one have and is it more like a constant exchange of bodies? Then we learn about the architect behind the archives and how the channeling sessions came to be. No surprise, it was Sananda who determined the curriculum we had been learning. Returning visitors to the Hades Base News since its inception have heard what I have always thought were often impromptu channeling sessions that focused on subjects that just came to mind. We're honored that Sananda has graced us with the knowledge he has through his teachers and are pleased to share it with others also seeking the next step in his teachings. On top of both topics is much more information starting with a call to our favorite former guest of the channeling sessions when she could attend in person, Carrie. What we learned during the conversation with her over the phone makes for a convincing argument that Sananda had a pretty good idea of where this would lead in the answers it provides. So, on with a recap of the channeling session to follow.

   Tia gets the session going with a call to Carrie for an expected chat when she could talk to the female members of the base that channel regularly. Tia was always a welcome guest into the mind of Carrie when she dreams and Tia had to apologize for some recent wild dreams. It seems the issues in Carrie's life were more than even Tia could do in preventing some of Carrie's nightmares. It was those stresses that were causing Carrie to lose the self-confidence that she would normally have and that her school and work obligations were additional factors causing her anxiety. Tia then offers some helpful advice prior to letting Karra get to the more serious matters on Carrie's mind. As Karra joins the chat, she gets right to the theme of the discussion which was children. Carrie had just visited the parents of a newborn and it had brought out an emotional longing for a child of her own. Karra is both a mother and a healer so she gives her some comfort over her expectations and a warning about the amount of smoking Carrie had been doing. Part of the stress she had been experiencing revolved around a doctor's diagnosis about Carrie's ability to conceive which had her more scared than we had seen previously. As a way to lighten Carrie's mood, Karra and I provide some bad jokes that do the trick in getting her to laugh. Karra then ushers on her sister in an effort to keep the atmosphere light without Tia doing the normal handover and Kiri naturally follows up with an immediate joke of her own. Once she finally explains the punchline, it is no longer a mystery but lacked the effect Kiri was hoping to achieve. From there we hear about some chakra jewelry that Carrie was impressed by which gets Kiri doing the math on how much Sirian claret would be the equivalent in price. Kiri had to explain that without money in their economy, wine served as the trade good of choice for Kiri. Eventually, the conversation turns back to having a baby and Kiri puts forward the hypothesis that the reason Carrie can't get pregnant is that a former soul mate of hers who had passed away was just waiting for reincarnation. That is when Kiri provides a fairly reliable timeline of how long the reincarnation process can take. This shows that a random tape selected for the podcast can turn out to be more than special on not just one side, but even more outstanding information was waiting to be revealed on the next side as well.

   Side two begins with Kiri saying goodbye and Tia wrapping up our phone call with Carrie. To do so, Tia answers a question on the future before Carrie takes her leave and she brings on the base commander. Omal is ready to answer questions so we get down to going over the evolution of a belief system. Recently we had been having visits from the Jehovah's Witnesses to our door who wished to share their belief while I wanted to do the same regarding Ashtar Command. An exchange of ideas had been taking place and another meeting was scheduled for the following day. Omal was able to show the benefits of such meetings and my recent reading of The Essene Gospel of Peace had prepared me to answer some of their questions. We shift topics next to the recent happenings of the Upuaut Project. It was a little robot designed to explore the shafts of the queen's chamber and the team in charge hoped to explore what lay behind the doors blocking one of the shafts. Nothing world-shaking was discovered except more questions that could only be speculated on at best. A related pyramid revelation was that pyramids can give off relaxing fields whether you are in them or out of them. At the time there was a six-foot copper pyramid that we had set up around the futon from which Mark was channeling so an example was readily available. The conversation moves on as we discuss unifying the 144,000 nerve centers in the body to establish an enlightened consciousness. Once the chakras enter into the discussion we cover the intertwining of religions that we trace back to the migrations from Sirius to Atlantis prior to its sinking. That is how we learn that Sananda had been directing the lessons we had been taught in the archives that continued a set of lessons he began over two thousand years ago. It all seems to be part of the plan of Sananda and Ashtar's Omal talked about back in a June podcast of 2013. It brings into question though just how long the plan has been in place. That's all we have time for as we move on to Karra who continues a class on the human body she had started the previous week. This time the subject was hormones and, from the detail of the information she provides, Omal had okayed all she had included in her lesson. The key takeaway was the way everything was interconnected. From the glands and the various chemicals they release to the outside influences also affecting the body's functioning, we learn the human body is an amazing combination of factors that determine our state of being. That finishes the lesson so Tia wraps after Karra departs for the few minutes left on the tape. To those confused about her comment on the shot she received on her tail affecting her the way it did, it's only a small tail being that her ancestry has a feline evolution which includes a slightly different bone structure than our own or a Sirian's. It's a session I've enjoyed listening to over and over again for the new things I grasp each time. On a side note, Carrie would have a daughter two years later. 

TIA- Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KARRA RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(0:00)- Tia gets Carrie on the phone and we discuss her life and the stresses she faces along with a self-confidence problem. Tia has a good idea to help her out the next time she finds herself rushing things.
2.)(8:39)- Karra reassures Carrie that her desire for a child will be fulfilled one day. We know from future sessions she would give birth to a daughter. Unfortunately, she has to suffer through some bad jokes.
3.)(34:46)- Kiri's conversation is the reason we post the information the world would like to know for the most part. How long is it between reincarnations? Of course there is also a lot more to go along with that.

1.)(3:01)- Omal reveals yet another of the reasons for these archives in that he connects all the dots from when Sananda spent his time on the third dimension. He brings clarity to two thousand years of questions.
2.)(20.03)- Karra gives a class on the various glands of the body and the chemicals that they release. It's a follow-up to a topic Omal had just covered on the 144,000 nerve centers of the human body.
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(Tia has a call to Carrie lined up so we begin with that) 

(Tia gets talking to the cats)

Tia: okay, shall we get down to business? First of all, we wanted to start at five minutes beforehand...

(Tia talks to the cats some more)

Russ: well I wasn't in charge of getting this thing started.

Tia: yes, I know, Mark was busy. We're on the air?

Russ: uh-huh, yeah.

Tia: oohh okay. Right, now the reason why we wanted to start early was to get the briefing and everything underway, right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: is that Carrie has something she needs to talk to us about.

Russ: oh, so I'll go make some tea?

Tia: no, no, no, nothing sexual.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: well if sex does come up, that's her own decision. Okay, should we give her a call?

Russ: all right.

Tia: is it's what, 15 minutes after?

Russ: did you want to brief me on anything first or is that the briefing?

Tia: that's the briefing apart from she might be a little bit sensitive on things.

(we call Carrie)

Carrie: hello?

Tia: hello sister mind.

Carrie: hi, how are you?

Tia: oh, I'm fine.

Carrie: you're fine?

Tia: and how are you?

Carrie: oh, I'm fine. I just woke up Mike, hang on, I'm walking in the back bedroom.

Tia: oh,
tut, tut, tut.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: tut, tut, tut, in the back bedroom huh?

Carrie: he's sleeping on the couch. He fell asleep and I was afraid the phone would wake him, but I wasn't paying attention. So what are you guys doing?

Tia: well, we're talking to you.

Carrie: you're talking to me?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: you sound clearer than normal.

Tia: oh thank you, thank you.

Carrie: oh, so you're coming back here?

Tia: I am?

Carrie: no, Mike. Now he's shoeing me out of the bedroom.

Tia: oh.

Carrie: night sleepyhead, be in in a while. Okay, let me get situated.

Tia: okay.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: I'm sorry about the weird dreams the other night.

Carrie: which ones?

Tia: the really weird ones. What would it be? It would be Thursday of your night?

Carrie: oh I can't remember.

Tia: no, it was Friday, sorry Friday, yes.

Carrie: I can't remember what they were about.

Tia: oh they were pretty weird.

Carrie: what were they about?

Tia: flying and running and hiding and being afraid.

Carrie: I've tell you the honest truth I've had so many nightmares lately that I can't remember them.

Tia: hmm.

Carrie: I have been having a lot, I don't know why.

Tia: well, what are you afraid of at the moment?

Carrie: myself.

Tia: no, there's something more than that that's worrying you.

Carrie: oh I don't know, everything, everything and nothing. I don't know, I've had a lot on my mind.

Tia: yes, so I've noticed. You're little bit unfocused at the moment. Now it's partly to do with your work right?

Carrie: you mean my school?

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: yeah, I don't know, I don't know what it is. Like the last six weeks I've just had a really bad self-confidence.

Tia: you're coming up for finals right? Or some kind of examination thingy.

Carrie: uh-uh, that was a couple weeks ago.

Tia: oh well. Coming up, just gone, I don't know.

Carrie: I don't know, I just.......I get too hard on myself.......

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I guess.

Tia: okay, this is what we're going to do to help you, right?

Carrie: okay.

Tia: is that we're going to focus in one particular thing, right?

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: and we're going to face that fear of failure with that project, right?

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: and that would be your networking?

Carrie: yeah.

Tia: that have to be positive with a little bit of negativity to stop yourself from charging on and biting off more than you can chew.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: and that's the way to look at things is that there's two types of people. The same as positive and negative there is also do and do not. So you can say positive does and negative does not, you see?

Carrie: uh-huh. But I have a hard time.......I guess it's just I'm going through a growing stage right now......

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: of trying to deal with that I guess?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I guess it does all boils down to your failure. Because I'm too hard to myself.....

Tia: yeah.

Carrie: with everything, I mean even in school.

Tia: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, let's deal with getting down on yourself. Okay, you want to do the best possible job, right?

Carrie: yeah.

Tia: okay, it takes time to do the best possible job. Those people that hurry, right? Are the ones that make the mistake and have to do it over again and it takes longer.

Carrie: I know.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I know but I guess.....see, that's where I'm trying to learn that. I'm trying to learn that I'm not perfect, I can't be perfect, and I can't do everything perfect.

Tia: uh-huh. Okay, here's a little saying for you to say to yourself when you're working and you want to do it really quick is, "patience makes perfect". Which means, by taking your time, you will be perfect.

Carrie: yep, you're right.

Tia: so you could say take time to be perfect. Even if you say it out loud or in your head, it doesn't matter as long as you use those phrases when you're in a hurry. Sort of like, take time to be perfect.

Carrie: yeah, that will help focus me.

Tia: that's right. What have you got to say about that Russ?

Russ: well I like to practice my patience to make it perfect.

Tia: did you hear what he said?

Carrie: what did he say?

Tia: he said he likes to practice with his patience to make it perfect.

Carrie: okay? I think I understood that.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: that was a little slow on my part, I was thinking of something else.

Tia: well, I think Russ was being a little bit deliberately......what's the word I'm looking for?

Carrie: facetious?

Tia: no, it's off at an angle, oblique?

Carrie: huh?

Russ: obtuse?

Tia: obtuse, thank you, obtuse.

Russ: my pleasure darling.

Carrie: obtuse.

Tia: yes.

Carrie: not Russ.

Tia: he's always off at an angle.

Russ: parts of me are.

Carrie: I'll remember that......

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: the next time I get rough on myself.

Tia: yes, well Russ is off a tangent from reality sometimes.

Carrie: well, I'll remember that.

Tia: yeah, I think that was a point for me.

Carrie: huh?

Tia: I think that was a point for me.

Carrie: a point for you?

Tia: yeah, I finally get one over on him.

Carrie: oh.

Tia: okay, I'm going to put on another speaker because we don't want to hog all the time.

Carrie: okay, am I going to talk to you again?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: yeah, I'll see you shortly sister mind.

Carrie: okay, bye Tia.


(Karra is in healer mode for her time with Carrie)

(Carrie whispers)

Carrie: hi Russ.

Russ: hi darling.

Carrie: can you hear me?

Russ: I can hear you fine. Let me just get a little closer here for you.

Carrie: how are you?

Russ: I'm doing good.

Carrie: yeah?

Russ: hi Karra.

Karra: I can't fool you can I?

Russ: no darling.

Carrie: hi Karra.

Karra: hello, how's it going?

Carrie: fine, how are you?

Karra: oh, I'm fine, a little bit tired.

Carrie: oh, why's that?

Karra: oh, I've been busy, I didn't get to sleep until late last night. I wonder why?

Russ: hey, what am I supposed to do?

Karra: okay.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: you need to work on your barriers Russ. 

Carrie: my best friend had her baby.

Karra: oh, give her my congratulations or say a friend of yours that lives far away gives her congratulations.

Carrie: she knows who you guys are. 

Karra: oh okay, well tell her I say hi and congratulations.

Carrie: okay, I will, he's beautiful.

Karra: oh that's good.

Carrie: he's beautiful and I was there and I got to hear the baby's first cry. It was awesome.

Karra: a little redhead right?

Carrie: him?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: no...

Karra: oh.

Carrie: he's got pure, jet black hair.

Karra: oh.

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: he's got really black hair and I guess he's got blue eyes, but he didn't open them for me tonight.

Karra: oh.

Carrie: so...

Karra: well what's his name?

Carrie: Schaefer.

Karra: uh-huh. Well, at least it's not hey you as my eldest daughter was called for a little while.

Carrie: oh, no. Hey you, that's not very good, a child could get confused.

Karra: well, it's the way it worked out.

Russ: tea's on.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I don't know, my cat thinks her name is hey you, so.....

Karra: yes, cats are funny.

Carrie: sometimes Mike thinks his name is hey you too. So are things going?

Karra: things are going great apart from being kept up all night.

Carrie: Russ, shame on you.

Karra: well Russ just stepped out to make a cup of tea. 

Carrie: oh, you know what? I'm going to do that, I'm going to make me some tea so I can sleep good tonight.

Karra: oh yes. Now, you been doing your exercises?

Carrie: no.

Karra: and you haven't quit smoking have you?

Carrie: no.

Karra: what are you up to, six a day if my reports are correct?


Karra: more?

Carrie: more.

Karra: you're not at ten and a day are you?

Carrie: probably.

Karra: oh dear.

Carrie: I've been stressed.

Karra: okay, we'll let you slide on that, we'll let you slide.

Carrie: I know, I think about it all the time, I want to quit, but it's really hard, especially at school. I mean I know it's a lot of excuses, I just have to set it in my mind.

Karra: well, I know way to make you quit smoking.

Carrie: huh?

Karra: go and watch an autopsy on a smoker.

Carrie: no, thank you, no way. Well I guess yeah, that could make me quit.

Karra: uh-huh. It's enough to make anybody quit.

Carrie: oh yeah, I'll bet.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I can just imagine what mine look like.

Karra: uh-huh, yes.

Carrie: I've had x-rays on my lungs twice in the last year and they were really good.

Karra: oh that's good.

Carrie: I just want to quit before they get bad the next time.

Karra: yeah, uh-huh. Now how's the baby working, the planning for the baby?

Carrie: I want one so bad Karra.

Karra: I know you want one so bad. I can hear it in your voice and I can feel it in my little reporter that comes down and visits you from time to time, informs me that you want one real bad.

Carrie: you know what I don't understand?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I mean this has been something that's been.........I mean it's just been making me crazy lately.......something I don't understand is, you focus hard enough in life, you get what you want, right?

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: if you focus hard enough on it. It never fails. But a baby is the one thing that if a woman focuses on she won't get it.

Karra: yeah, the harder she tries the.....

Carrie: the more she thinks about it.....

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: the less chance she has. I don't understand that. And everybody......all the women keep telling me, don't think about it, but do you know how hard that is?

Karra: hey, here's a way of not thinking about it. You're 24, right?

Carrie: 22.

Karra: 22, oh you're a kid, you're a snot nosed kid.

(Carrie starts to laugh)

Carrie: well yeah.

Karra: you've got hundreds of perfectly good eggs ready and waiting to hatch. If you don't get pregnant one month, there's always next month.

Carrie: it's hard, it might not be that easy.

Karra: hey, you've got a long time to go. What's it, it's 12 to the year right? In your menstrual cycle?

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: so that is......well, until you're 40.

Carrie: no.

Karra: 35?

Carrie: well, it's just not that easy. I mean I know everybody keeps telling me don't listen to the doctors, but the proven facts are there.

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: they're there.

Karra: yeah.

Carrie: my doctor told me if I do not get pregnant in a year....

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I may not ever be able to ever get pregnant.

Karra: well there's fertility drugs.

Carrie: but that's unnatural to me.

Karra: hey, you want one, do whatever it takes.

Carrie: I'm seriously thinking about it now.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Carrie: I mean, just because, I mean I guess in a way I feel like I'm on a little time clock?

Karra: yeah. But hey, we've beaten the doctors before, haven't we?

Carrie: yeah.

Karra: so let's beat them this time, let's prove them wrong.

Carrie: I know, I want to but I can't.

Karra: yes you can.

Carrie: I know I can, I just can't focus on it in that way, you know what I mean?

Karra: hmmm.

Carrie: I don't know what it is.

Karra: hmmm.

Carrie: I'm scared to death. I keep thinking that if I don't then God intended better things for me. 

Karra: well that's.....yes, yes, that's a good way to look at things. Remember that a teacher, sometimes a single teacher, a spinster? All of the children that she teaches are her children.

Carrie: I know.

Karra: you've got the whole entire world.

Carrie: I know but it's so hard because I just....I want to know what it's like to create a life inside of me, you know?

Karra: oh, you will know, you will know.

Carrie: I guess I'm just being real negative.

Karra: no you're not.

Carrie: and I know I shouldn't be.

Karra: it's something that goes through everybody's minds. Now, you have something to dry your eyes with?

Carrie: yes, my hand.

Karra: I was about to say use your sleeve, I would.

Carrie: I don't have a sleeve on.

Karra: oohhh.

(Carrie starts chuckling)

Karra: okay, I've got a joke for you.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: okay, have you heard about O.J. Simpson's new shuttle bus company?

Carrie: oh, no. No, what is it?

Karra: it says it will get you to the airport with an hour to kill.

(Carrie starts laughing)

Carrie: oh, that's bad, that’s really bad.

Karra: well, Kiri just whispered it to me. She said she heard it from Mark.

Carrie: that was really bad.

Russ: oh, hey, I've got a joke.

Karra: okay, Russ has got a joke.

Carrie: okay.

Russ: hey, I got a mouse problem at my theater right now, you know?

Carrie: hmm.

Russ: got a bunch of mice, we've got to call an exterminator in but to save us the money, they told me to go out and buy some poison and poison the mice, right?

Carrie: hmm.

Russ: so I went over to Raley's across the street there and looked at the poison but everything has got tamperproof caps nowadays and this bottle of poison I was going to buy had a tamperproof cap but the seal had been broken, right? So I didn't know if I should buy this poison or not. I mean, what if somebody had dropped some aspirins in it or something? 

Carrie: that was the worst joke Russ.

Russ: thank you darling.

Carrie: you should be nominated for like the worst joke of the year, I mean that was the worst.

Karra: uh-huh, did you hear about Mark's incident with a mouse? He said that he shot a mouse a while back. Shot it stone dead, it was huge, it was coming right at him.

Carrie: who is this?

Karra: this is Mark.

Carrie: Mark?

Karra: yeah, shot a mouse stone dead. Huge thing, he said it was almost as big as he was, but I don't think they're going to let him back into Disneyland though.

(Carrie starts laughing really hard at that one)

Carrie: tell Mark he shot Mickey? Okay, you guys are on a roll for really, really bad jokes. Oh no. I'm sorry, I don't have any bad jokes.

Karra: oh well.

Russ: oh well.

Carrie: I don't have any jokes at all.

Karra: okay, I'm going to put on the Kiri monster.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: okay? And I'll see you later and Tia will come down and program you with some instructions.

Carrie: okay.

Karra: okay, you don't mind that?

Carrie: no, not at all.

Karra: okay.

Carrie: thank you Karra.

Karra: you're welcome.

Carrie: take care.

Karra: God bless you and my love goes with you as always.

Carrie: I love you.

(Kiri brings more jokes to the session)

Kiri: okay, yo, I'm here.

Carrie: oh hi stranger, how are you?

Kiri: stranger huh? I'm doing fine.

Carrie: I know, I'm the stranger.

Kiri: no you're not, I get reports, we all get reports.

Carrie: I'm still around, quite far, but I'm still around.

Kiri: well you're almost human shape I thought?

Carrie: who, Russ or me?

Kiri: you are, you are, you're not round, you're human shape.

Carrie: oh. Okay, you guys are passing some really, really bad one-liners now.

Kiri: okay, I've got a joke.

Carrie: oh, oh.

Kiri: okay now, Bill Clinton, Robert Dole, and Bob Packwood all get whisked off to the Land of Oz. And they follow the yellow brick road and they end up at the Emerald Palace and they go in to see the Wizard. Bill Clinton is selected to go in first. And he goes in and he says to the Wizard, "I need to get back to America, I've got a presidential election coming up, I need to vote on the budget package, I need to deal with the Republicans, I need to put them in their place and I'm doing really great with my foreign policy. Can you get me back to America?" And the Wizard looks at him and goes, "no, sorry, can't help you son. I'd like to, but I can't, but I've got something that can help you. Here, have a brain”. He goes out and they call in Robert Dole next. And Robert Dole goes in and he says, "look, I've got to go back to America, I need to get back. I've got a presidential election coming up, I'm hopefully going to be the candidate. You've met Bill Clinton, you see what a schmuck he is. We've got to work on this Medicare problem and all these health care things and I've got to get back because I want to be president, and I want to put everything right that Bill Clinton's made wrong". And the Wizard looks at him and he goes, "look, I'll tell you exactly the same thing. I'd like to help you but I can't, but I've got something that might help you. Here, have a heart”. Now Bob Packwood goes in last of all, and he stands there and he looks around and he looks at the Wizard and he goes, "where's Dorothy?"

Carrie: I didn't get it.

Kiri: well, reports say that Sen. Bob Packwood was kicked out for sexual harassment?

Carrie: oh, okay, I got it.

(Kiri sighs heavily)

Carrie: I don't follow politics too much, I try not to.

Kiri: well, I would have thought that I would got at least a chuckle out of rusty nails over there.

Russ: I just got it after you explained it to me.

Carrie: I know, I didn't even hear him laughing, I think it went over his head, too.

Russ: it did.

Kiri: way over his head. In fact, it went so high over his head that it hit the top of Everest.

Carrie: yeah, it wouldn't quite fly over his head.

Kiri: yeah? So, what are we going to talk about?

Carrie: I don't know, what do you want to talk about?

Kiri: I'm not allowed to talk about that over the telephone.

Carrie: what?

Kiri: it's a three letter word.

Carrie: sex?

Kiri: yeah, sex.

Carrie: why not?

Kiri: well, people might be listening. Besides........nevermind.

Carrie: did you get in trouble last time?

Kiri: a little bit.

Carrie: you're always getting in trouble when you talk to me.

Kiri: I know, it's great, isn't it?

Carrie: boy, just think of how we'll be when I get there.

Kiri: oh it's going to be great, we're going to party down.

Carrie: we'll always get in trouble. We'll always be getting sent to our rooms.

Kiri: yes. Well, the worst thing would be getting sent home to Sirius.

Carrie: well, we wouldn't go that far.

Kiri: no.

Carrie: we'd just get in little misty-bis trouble.

Kiri: uh-huh, will go around debagging all the important people.

Carrie: yeah, what is that?

Kiri: oh, pulling their trousers down?

Carrie: now we might get in serious trouble for that.

Kiri: oh, I don't know, they'd think it was funny.

Carrie: oh, they would?

Kiri: well, I'd hope they'd think it was funny.

Carrie: well if not, they're going to have to because it's going to happen to them when I get there.

Kiri: yeah. Hmm, I was just looking at this telephone here. I've been learning to read English?

Carrie: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: how good are you?

Kiri: well, let me see if this is any good. It's got the numbers here and then from two to nine it has letters, three to each one. If you look at the number three, you got DEF. Is that deaf? "Sorry, I can't hear you, I think I'm going deaf".

Carrie: sort of, but that's not how we spell it. How do we spell it?

Kiri: D.E.A.F. See? I've been learning.

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: yeah, I've got up to four letter words.....S.H.I.T.?

Carrie: you know what you guys?

Kiri: what?

Carrie: check this out. Mike's mom, she gets these really awesome crystal books?

Kiri: uh-huh?

Carrie: she's got one, it's called Heaven and Earth?

Kiri: yeah?

Carrie: and I borrowed it from her the other day?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it's got the most beautiful crystals in it. I mean just awesome. It has got everything in it. Let me find it. It's a it is. Okay, it's called Chakra Jewelry?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it's got seven stones for each chakra. Oh wait a minute,

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: it's got eight stones. Now, some have seven and the great big one.......check this out, the great, great, big one?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and it's not even that great and big.......I mean, it goes on your chain.

Kiri: that's not very big.

Carrie: I know, it's not very big at all. For sterling silver is $1,300.00 and for fourteen karat gold it's $1,800.00.

Kiri: now, I've got to work that out into how many bottles of wine and that's about six cases of wine, that's a lot.

Carrie: that's a lot.

Kiri: six cases of wine, that is a lot. See, I don't understand your dollars and Mark explained it to me that about $15.00 was a good bottle of wine or an average bottle of wine.

Carrie: so your guy’s wine is....?

Kiri: well a bottle of wine is about fifteen....

Carrie: on earth?

Kiri: yeah, well I trade with wine you see.

Carrie: oh, okay.

Kiri: yeah, we don't have money like you have......

Carrie: okay.

Kiri: we trade services and I design swimsuits and clothing....

Carrie: ohhh.

Kiri: mainly swimsuits....

Carrie: I used to do that when I was younger.

Kiri: oh really?

Carrie: I used to design clothing.

Kiri: uh-huh. Well I do the designs, I make the swimsuits, and then I package them off to Sirius, and in return I get bottles of wine.

Carrie: oh cool.

Kiri: now with the bottles of wine, I can get ahold of more material and other stuff that I need.

Carrie: so basically, you guys use the trade and barter system?

Kiri: that's right, yeah.

Carrie: okay, yeah, that's.....I think that's the most awesome way to do it.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I guess with all the way that everything is going, pretty soon money's not going to have a value here.

Kiri: no.

Carrie: but I was thinking about it today, and if money didn't have a value here.....

Kiri: uh-huh?

Carrie: I was wondering if our third dimensional world is going to turn into like a barbarian world again.

Kiri: that's a possibility, you're talking to the wrong person, you'd have to talk to Tia.

Carrie: I think I thought of her because of her world.

Kiri: yeah. Oh, her world is such a paradise compared your planet. I don't mean that in a negative way, I mean they've.....

Carrie: oh it's true.

Kiri: well, they've got rid of warfare on a large scale, they've got rid of pollution, they have space travel, they have smart computers that mimic intelligence, they have......Tia's whispering all this stuff in my ear.......holographic entertainment, all sorts of really interesting things.

Carrie: it sounds like they have a lot of what our world is trying to go into?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

Carrie: our world is trying to get there, but we are so.......we've got five years til the millennium.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and people in history, if you trace back in history on earth, every time about five years beforehand, everybody gets paranoid and says it's going to be the end of the world.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: I believe it's every hundred years, but the millennium is really the worst.

Kiri: yeah, the big one, because......

Carrie: everybody thinks it's the end of the world.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: so here, everybody is panicking, "it's the end of the world, God's going to come down and he's going to choose who's who and has this thing and it's been a real big topic lately.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and like I tell everybody, the only thing I say to them is, "our world has not changed any since it was created, the only difference now is we have more technology and more people".

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

Carrie: we are still barbaric, we just do it with more technology.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: there are more people so it seems like more death and trauma.

Kiri: that's right.

Carrie: but it's always been like that.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: even when Earth was created.....

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: I mean look at Adam and Eve and look at Joseph.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and the brothers.

Kiri: Cain and Abel.

Carrie: look what they did to each other.

Kiri: yeah, Cain and Abel.

Carrie: yeah. And then it goes into the medieval days......

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: and the Roman days.

Kiri: oh, the Roman days, oohhhh.

Carrie: the Roman days, I mean look at them. They used to kill people and hang their heads.

Kiri: uh-huh but what you were saying dovetails very nicely with Russ's studies on Revelations.

Carrie: oh really?

Kiri: uh-huh. He's been studying Revelations at the moment.

Carrie: oh wow. Cool, I'd like to hear more about that.

Kiri: well you would've if he hadn't of run away.

Carrie: I didn't run away. 

Kiri: no, he ran away, Russ has run away.

Carrie: oh, I thought you were talking about me.

Kiri: no, you haven't run away, you're still part of us, you have your work to do.

Carrie: I didn't run away, I've just gone to find myself.

Kiri: uh-huh. Have you watched "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"?

Carrie: no.

Kiri: oh, I was about to quote from that about the rabbit. There's a nasty rabbit with nasty, sharp pointed teeth and it attacks people. King Arthur and his merry men, they attack it and then they decide to run away, run away.

Carrie: oh, is that the quote?

Kiri: yeah, that's the quote.

Carrie: okay. I never was really into Monty Python.

Kiri: oh well, nevermind, Mark loves Monty Python.

Carrie: you know what? Rob watched Monty Python.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: Rob watched a lot of Monty Python.

Russ: when you get a chance, check out the movie "Life of Brian", that's pretty funny too.
Carrie: can I ask a favor?

Russ: sure.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: is there any way that you guys could tell me.....has Rob passed over into this lifetime?

Kiri: not yet, it takes a few more years. There's a long period of time where they do a lot of soul-searching, or so says my grandmother.

Carrie: so you guys don't have any track on him?

Kiri: no, we don't. I could ask my grandmother to look into it and then I can get back and let you know.

Carrie: see, because I get confused sometimes on how that would work because Mike and I were talking about it one night....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and since Mike and I are soul mates and Rob and I were soul mates.....

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: that would mean Mike and Rob were soul mates.

Kiri: uh-huh. Well the thing is, that when he's ready to come back, don't be surprised if you find yourself pregnant.

Carrie: that would be awesome.

Kiri: yeah, that's maybe why you're having difficulty getting pregnant is that he's not ready to come back yet.

Carrie: but then, how come he said goodbye to me when I did my last past life regression? Do you remember that........

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: and I had problems passing through?

Kiri: uh-huh....

Carrie: because of the little blue bird that was in there?

Kiri: it's probably that he's getting ready, but getting ready does take some time. But he.....

Carrie: but he wouldn't be able to focus energy on me while he was doing that.

Kiri: that's right. Now that may take three or four years, but time is irrelevant. To him, it would seem like a matter of moments when in actual fact, up to five years could have passed.

Carrie: well, he's been dead for seven years.

Kiri: yeah. I mean sometimes it takes a lot, lot longer. It can take some people up to 40 years before they're ready to come back. They stay and they learn and they watch other people and then they decide that it's time for them to be reborn and then they go into the analytic stage which is probably where he is now, that he's analyzing things.

Carrie: I sometimes wondered that.....

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: if Rob would be my baby.

Kiri: uh-huh, it would be great if he was.

Carrie: you know what I was thinking the other day, I remember when Karra told me that my baby is going to be....?

Kiri: the first of a new breed of humans.

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: and that my baby was going to be very powerful.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: so that kind of gave me, when I was thinking real negative the other day, that kind of gave me hope.

Kiri: yes.

Carrie: and I thought, well......

Kiri: well, from you and Mike, both of you are very talented individuals and the joining would be incredible. I sound like my sister, don't I? God.   

(Carrie starts laughing)                                                                                                           

Kiri: not as well as incredible, but a lot of fun too, right?

Carrie: oh yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Carrie: oh yeah.

Kiri: you been reading the Kama Sutra 

Carrie: am I? No.

Kiri: it's fun, it's a good book.

Carrie: where did I hear about that? We've been putting a lot of money into self-help and motivational books.

Kiri: yeah.

Carrie: because of the business.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now, Tia just whispered something in my ear.

Carrie: what did she say?

Kiri: she said that at school you used to act, right?

Carrie: yeah. No, not act so much as, well......I danced and......

Kiri: you danced and you acted, right?

Carrie: no, not acting, but singing.

Kiri: yeah, well you used to wear a face then right, a pretend face?

Carrie: yeah.

Kiri: okay, what we're going to do.....and this is Tia's suggestion is.....when you make the telephone calls, you're an actress, you're acting out a role. You write yourself a script, learn the script and write out possibly what they could say, all the positive and all the negative....

Carrie: oh, we have one.

Kiri: yeah, well you go from that script.

Carrie: that's funny that you said that because we do, they just actually sent it down to us.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, but what I'm suggesting is that you pretend that you're about to perform for a whole load of people and they're going to say certain things like, "yes, I'm interested, tell me more". Or, you could assume a different identity that has the same name that is a outgoing, bubbly, thick-skinned individual that won't take no for an answer, and if they are told no.......                                                




(Kiri quickly wraps up)

Kiri: I'll be talking to you again soon, bye.

Carrie: take care.


(Tia is back to say goodbye to Carrie)

Carrie: are you still there. Russ?

Russ: yep, I'm still here darling.

Tia: "incy-wincy spider went climbing up the spout".

Carrie: hi Tia.

Tia: yo, hello, I'm back.

Carrie: oh, what was the question that she told me to ask Tia? Oh, I remember. We were talking about how money was going to become irrelevant?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: well, I was thinking that if money becomes irrelevant to earth?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: then I was thinking that maybe our third dimension would go into a barbaric stage.

Tia: I don't see that happening. I see that money would become less valuable, but coinage would be just as important as it is now. The paper money, after all what is that? Paper.

Carrie: yeah.

Tia: but if you have coins, that is something substantial that contains a mineral that is worth something.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: so maybe paper money would go down the thingy and be replaced by coins.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: yeah, that's the way I see it. But I don't think it's going to go to a barbaric stage where tribalism is the norm. I see a time of unrest and increase in violence, and things becoming more expensive, but I don't see it becoming a barbaric bartering state.

Carrie: uh-huh.

Tia: certainly trading goods for other things will occur, but not as prevalent as you're predicting.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: okay, I'm going to let you finish up with Russ here.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: okay?

Carrie: well take care, you going to come down and visit me?

Tia: I'll be there tomorrow sister mind.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: but before I go, I give you my love and I'll give you a big kiss.

(Tia sends Carrie a big kiss)

Carrie: okay thanks, I love you too.

Tia: I love you too.

Carrie: tell Kiri I love her, I didn't tell her I love her.

Tia: oh, she's waving and saying she loves you too.

Carrie: okay.

Russ: all right darling, well you have a wonderful night tonight.

Carrie: thanks, I will, I'm going to sleep well.

Russ: alrighty, excellent. I'll call you up and check on how are things going with you.

Carrie: okay.

Russ: all right, bye love.

Carrie: bye Russ, thanks for calling.

Russ: my pleasure, darling.

Carrie: I love you.

Russ: I love you too, darling. Tell Mike bye.

Carrie: tell Mark hi.

Russ: I will.

Carrie: okay.

Russ: bye. 

Tia: bye. 

Carrie: bye.

Tia: okay, I'm going to put on the next person.

Russ: alrighty.

(Tia whispers, "be careful")


(Omal gets the teaching part of the session started)
Omal: I don't know why she does that.

Russ: oh, she's just in the habit of.....

Omal: she was teasing you, she's giggling like crazy. You were expecting either Korton or Ashtar. She's giggling profusely.

Russ: yeah, she likes to fool me.

Omal: yes. Okay, let us get down to business, where were we?

Russ: well let's see.

Omal: oh yes, you have questions.

Russ: yes. All right........okay, first off, let's get the one I even have written down and that's on the Jehovah's Witnesses tomorrow.

Omal: oh yes, entertainment time I believe.

Russ: entertainment, you guys were monitoring that I assume last Wednesday.

Omal: what do you think?

Russ: of course, I could feel that and Karra was in my head half the time telling me that so what do you think of that mess of gibberish, ghibberish?

Omal: I prefer your first phrase.

Russ: I do too.

Omal: gibberish.

Russ: what a bunch of tosh.

Omal: they have taken truth and twisted it so much. But they believe in what they believe, you cannot condemn them for believing in something.....

Russ: oh, no.

Omal: it makes them a sainted individual. Whether or not it is accurate or inaccurate is irrelevant.

Russ: hey, I had to start the same route.

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: it's just a path toward enlightenment.

Omal: correct, it is necessary for them to believe that they will be picked up and taken to a paradise.

Russ: right. Well it's easy to assume then the hell that's actually going to happen to them.

Omal: what is hell?

Russ: well, hell is what you make it.

Omal: exactly, and heaven is what you make it.

Russ: if the world goes to an archivist kind of existence let's say,

Omal: yes, you were going to say hell in a handbasket?

Russ: something like that. It goes that route and these guys aren't picked up and they're all going, "well, what happened, aren't we the chosen ones?" That's hell for them.

Omal: yes.

Russ: that's they're version of hell.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I mean for me it's just another lesson.

Omal: correct.

Russ: but for them.....

Omal: but it is necessary for them to understand that if they perceive that they didn't make it, then they have the option to make heaven on earth. They could make their own little piece of Utopia if they are prepared to pay the price. Because in a society where those that have become the target, what do you have to do to maintain being that, people that have?

Russ: discretion.

Omal: or learn to defend it.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: and they strike me as a very un-hostile religious sect.

Russ: well very much so. So I don't know how they're going to deal with this, but that's what I'm here for I think.

Omal: well, there is a saying that might help you.

Russ: hmm?

Omal: "the price of freedom must be watered regularly with the blood of patriots".

Russ: it's a good saying.

Omal: I believe it was said by one of your early presidents. I believe he also said, "a little revolution from time to time is a good thing".

Russ: good point. So, I'll be talking to these guys tomorrow and I've been reading up on their book, which is......oh my God......

Omal: so convoluted.....

Russ: oh jeeze.

Omal: but Mark was quite correct in pointing out the fact that it is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation.

Russ: right. Now I don't know if Karra told you about the book I'm reading now, The Essene Gospel of Peace?

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: which is a translation from the Aramaic scrolls found in the Vatican who stashed some very important......

Omal: little pieces of information.

Russ: right.

Omal: again, another example of a religious sect distorting the truth, or selectively telling the truth. Here is little way to have fun.

Russ: uh-huh?

Omal: there are three ways to lie. You tell the truth and all the truth, but in such a way that nobody will believe you....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: that way you are lying but you're not lying. You tell all the truth, except for important factors, or you just out and out bareface lie.

Russ: you make it so blatant....

Omal: that nobody is going to believe you anyway.

Russ: right. Well all right, I'll work with these guys. I'm going to let him borrow
The Essene Gospel of Peace I think.

Omal: yes, but the way to deal with them is listen to what they're saying. Be careful and selective because you do not want to scare them off totally because there is the possibility that you may learn things.                                                                                 

Russ, oh yeah, we were working quite hard on this last week.

Omal: and there is also the fact that you're learning from each other.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you are helping them and they are helping you.

Russ: well here's the thing, is even if they don't believe of course what I'm saying, the fact of the matter is that it's entered into their subconscious.....

Omal: correct.

Russ: which is the whole point of even talking to people. Alrighty, oh yes, I was watching a program Mark has already seen before about the....

Omal: the great pyramid.

Russ: yes, the Upuaut Project.

Omal: ah yes, the little robot droid that climbs up very steep angles.

Russ: correct. His whole goal is to open up that passage.

Omal: I don't think he would be able to.

Russ: yeah, I mean, I can't the first place they'd have to take off the copper fittings off that door.

Omal: yes, and I don't think the engineers that designed it would have made it easy for them.

Russ: so they're just going to be running into all kinds of little problems once they try to get that thing open.

Omal: correct. And besides, if they remove the copper holdings....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: how are they going to lift it up?  

Russ: right.

Omal: how are they going to keep it supported up?

Russ: theoretically, they could drill through there and then go ahead and cut away from that point outward and make a passage that they could get through.

Omal: they project that it is that thick.

Russ: right.

Omal: what if it's that thick or that thick?

Russ: hmm, good point, but I thought it was an interesting feat that they even got that far.

Omal: okay, let us proceed with the next question.

Russ: next question now is........first off, is why is it that whenever I am in this room here, I feel relaxed or sleepy? Is that because of the pyramid?

Omal: that is correct, that you have booted yourself into the pyramid.

Russ: okay. Now, why is that affecting me in such a way? Is that the relaxation of the pyramid.....?

Omal: that's correct, it generates a field which makes you feel comfortable and relaxed.

Russ: ahh, whether you're in it or out of it?

Omal: correct.

Russ: ahh, understandable. Okay, that's why it's good for healing.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Now I'm working on meditation at this point and one of the things it explained in the meditation book I'm working on is the rise in the kundalini.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, the book speaks of twelve seals or fore centers within the body which connect up to the 144,000 fore centers throughout the body. I assume they're talking about nerve centers.

Omal: correct, but let us go back to that number.

144,000. Yes, it does keep popping up, doesn't it?

Omal: yes it does, doesn't it?

Russ: now, how come that would correspond with what we're reading about in Old Testament and New Testament?                                                                                

Omal: because a lot of religions are intertwined.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: the kundalini and the chakras come from the Indian areas.....

Russ: right.

Omal: which is a Hindu society....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: there is a lot of intertwining and taking of ideas from each other.

Russ: well this is coming from the migrations.

Omal: correct, which goes back to?

Russ: goes back to Atlantis.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so the original number 144,000 is coming from Atlantis.

Omal: correct.

Russ: had to because how are they going to spot that many nerve centers in the body?

Omal: correct.

Russ: unless you had he have an intimate knowledge of the body and these guys did not.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. So, when we
're talking about the 144,000 with homeboys tomorrow, excuse me, the Jehovah's Witnesses.....

Omal: the homeboys make them sound more amenable.

Russ: I agree. Then what they're going to be talking about is actually a subtle reference to the nerve centers within the body.

Omal: correct.

Russ: why would they then translate that to mean people, besides of course, what they read in the Bible?

Omal: the fact is that 144,000 is also the necessary number to make a cohesive, conscious unit.

Russ: wait a minute......okay, I got it, I got it, I got it. 144,000 nerve centers all get unified....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: from the 12 major nerve centers....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore creating a circuit that creates the requisite number for......oh boy, how would you even described that particular energy transfer?

Omal: consciousness.

Russ: consciousness, I'll go with that, but it's a lightweight term for what.....

Omal: it is a lot more than that.

Russ: right.

Omal: consciousness is a word that describes the first step.

Russ: okay.

Omal: now, to explain it in more detail, if you have 144,000 nerve points....

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: and they're all connecting to each other, either passing through one or branching off and joining with other ones.......let's say they branch off from four different points, let's say North, East, South, and West, how many connections do you have?

Russ: just four.

Omal: no, how many connections total for all the 144,000?

Russ: four times that.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: now supposing the number is even higher, ten or twenty different little points connecting?

Russ: so then it's another......each point is a step.

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see.

Omal: each point that joins is a step again, a step higher.

Russ: right. So, this getting 144,000 is a major leap....

Omal: correct, is......

Russ: now, we have evidence of that within certain members of our third dimensional history and culture.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: Indian yogis of the real higher natures.......

Omal: yes..

Russ: have reached that, the 144,000.

Omal: correct.

Russ: to go even higher, then you become an ascended master such as Jesus.

Omal: umm......yes, it is a borderline point. Sananda was not an ascended master, he was a descending entity.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: because he came from on high.

Russ: right.

Omal: from a higher level down to your level.

Russ: so he had already connected up with these points well before ever getting here.

Omal: and proceeded way beyond.

Russ: right. And I'll tell you, reading that Essene Gospel of really get.......the Bible doesn't touch Sananda's true nature a
nd this at least gives you a much deeper, more intimate knowledge.

Omal: but there is something that must be added.

Russ: hmm.

Omal: Sananda lied.

Russ: lied?

Omal: yes.

Russ: huh?

Omal: he had to.

Russ: well yeah, obviously.....

Omal: otherwise, he would've been caught in a trap and ended up in a whole lot of trouble. It gets back to lying, lying does serve its purposes.

Russ: wait, I didn't see the lying part as what you're talking about as I saw it in the way that he brought knowledge that couldn't be explained in secular terms, but put a religious or a spiritual essence to it that people could understand. He didn't just lay it right out.

Omal: no, he had to lie in such a way as to not get himself persecuted, ridiculed, or even killed until it was necessary to fulfill the function.

Russ: well like I'm reading through this and his words, and I'm realizing what he's actually saying...

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is not what is actually on paper. Because of my conversations with you...

Omal: and with him.

Russ: and with him and our association, he's not talking about anything what they're hearing, he's saying stuff that if you have the knowledge it all connects up.

Omal: that's correct.

Russ: it wasn't meant for them right then. 

Omal: well, for some of them yes, it was meant for them to record.

Russ: right, but it was meant for others who had keys that made those words fit the keys.

Omal: correct. It is like some of the statements that we make. You do not do not understand some of them correct?

Russ: right, uh-huh.

Omal: the later on, you may, other people may.

Russ: right.

Omal: you could almost say that we are the next step of Christianity, but that would be too conceited. We are part of it......

Russ: right.

Omal: or what you perceive as Christianity because what we teach is what Sananda tells us to teach.

Russ: right.

Omal: therefore we are passing on the next step of the lesson. Remember that he said that life is a lesson that goes on.

Russ: it's funny you should say that too because when I'm talking to you, I feel like those guys in The Essene Gospel of Peace who are....they're like hurt and broken and they're getting healed by Jesus and he's telling this stuff to record, but like they're only grasping just parts of the idea and the rest of it's going to be picked up later by somebody else...

Omal: yes exactly, you understand.

Russ: expanded upon to. And I'm like the awesomeness of this is like, where is this going?

Omal: okay, we're going to have to....

Russ: okay, I understand. Let me see if I've got anything left here to go real quickly before we take our leave. Oh yes, next week we'll have Johnny here.

Omal: oh yes, I have some things to discuss with him.

Russ: oh you do?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay, good, and we'll go ahead and if we could, work a little more on history at that point.

Omal: okay.

Russ: alrighty, thank you Omal.

Omal: live long, prosper........

Russ: farewell.

Omal: I'll be back.


(Tia returns between speakers for the hand off)

Russ: hello Tia, how are you doing sweetheart?

(Tia growls her way into the chat)

Tia: we're running very short on time, aren't we?

Russ: no, we got half a tape left.

Tia: oh good.

Russ: we got mass tape. About 20 minutes, 15 or 20 minutes.

Tia: okay, well I'll put on the next person.

Russ: okay.


(Karra is back to now talk about hormones) 

Karra: hello once again dear.

Russ: how are you doing my love.

Karra: I'm doing fine.

Russ: so how was your day today darling, busy?

Karra: yes, busy.

Russ: I know you dropped out of mind range after a certain point.

Karra: yes, I had an emergency that needed to be attended to like last night when I dropped out briefly.

Russ: yeah, Mark told me but what happened, anything that was an issue?

Karra: oh, we had a scout vessel get badly damaged.

Russ: oh.

Karra: pilot was fine. Unfortunately we lost 90% of communication from him. We would only get the occasional words on the transmitter from him.

Russ: hmm.

Karra: and it was severe damage.....blank. Severe damage to what? The pilot, to the ship, to the computer? We didn't know.

Russ: right.

Karra: so we were on standby and the pilot, yes he was wounded, but not badly. He had lost about three pints of blood and was preparing to administer a shutdown of his body. By that point his ship was being towed.

Russ: ahh, that's good. Okay, we got the guys tomorrow.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, we're on hormones.

Karra: hormones, hormones, hormones.

Russ: now last week we discussed

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: this week we're working on hormones and I want to work on the connection between the two and where does one leave off and and one begin.

Karra: oohhh, you're getting into a tricky field there.

Russ: ahh, I thought we'd have fun with this one.

Karra: yes, we could have fun with it. Hormones are the chemicals in your body that make up certain actions.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay? Introns are responsible for other certain actions..

Russ: right.

Karra: such as, as we said, being hyperactive. Hormones are the follow-on that give you the urge to repeat your species. To have fun and sex.

Russ: right, survival instincts.

Karra: correct. And the next ones from that related very closely are pheromones. Pheromones are a smell that is given off a little bit like after making love?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: but it's before.

Russ: okay so, when we get to working with hormones.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: then what we're really dealing with is things that inhibit and non-inhibit growth....

Karra: correct.

Russ: and actions, emotions...

Karra: and so on.

Russ: and so on?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now the hormones I assume are controlled by numerous glands in the body....

Karra: correct.

Russ: number one of which is the pituitary.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and also outside sources like pheromones....

Russ: okay.

Karra: and also introns. You see, they're all connected.

Russ: now, are the introns....are part of our DNA?

Karra: yes.

Russ: hormones and pheromones are released by the glands in our body.

Karra: correct which is again in turn part of the DNA. The more hormones that you give off.......for example, one very famous one is testosterone.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: which makes you you. I mean you as a male.

Russ: right.

Karra: like when you give off a lot of testosterone, it attracts what?

Russ: females.

Karra: when I give off pheromones, what does that do?

Russ: you.

Karra: oh yes, it attracts you to me.

Russ: right.

Kara okay, so they are selected chemicals. When you hear somebody saying it's a chemical thing, they're not necessarily talking about their addictions, it is a chemical thing between two individuals.

Russ: okay now, when you say that hormones and pheromones and the
testosterone are part of the DNA...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: what are you saying? Does that mean they're part of the code....

Karra: right.

Russ: or are you saying that the DNA controls how much are released?

Karra: both. It is part of the code under how much is released. You see, it is necessary as we were discussing with Carrie, to procreate.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and selecting the best possible mate is part of the pheromone, hormone combination.

Russ: right.

Karra: you see, you want somebody that matches chemically you. Makes it easier to have children.

Russ: right.

Karra: and vice a versa.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: and it is necessary for hormones that control all sorts of things, this for one, the sweat....

Russ: okay.

Karra: that has hormones in it because it gives off a smell. There is so much to do with hormones that we could sit here and discuss it until I was blue in the face.

Russ: all right, let's talk about the nerve centers then.......

Karra: okay.

Russ: switch over to that that Omal was talking about.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, when we're talking about releasing or I mean unifying...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: the energy of the 144 nerve centers.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, give me an example of a nerve center, one of the 144,000 for example.

Karra: I'll give you an example, watch.

Russ: okay that's in the muscles?

Karra: let me do that again. I'm getting good at that, let's see if I can do this one.

Russ: good girl. Okay, that the muscles though, those aren't nerve centers.

Karra: but what makes the muscles do that?

Russ: the electrical impulses sent from the brain I assume that travel on the nerve centers. Okay, so what I was thinking of was touch, like I put my finger on something hot.......

Karra: oh, there is a lot more than just touch.

Russ: okay.

(Karra sniffs through Mark's nose)

Karra: that's one.

(Karra sniffs again through Mark's nose)
Russ: okay, so we're talking144,000, we're talking about everything.

Karra: that's another one, well that's two right there.

Russ: so now when Omal....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: speaks about unifying these all up....

Karra: he's talking about balancing them so that they are totally in tune.

Russ: now, does that then make you more aware of your 144 nerve centers?

Karra: correct.

Russ: now what does that do for you in a world like we've got now?

Karra: it gives you sensory overload if you're not careful.

Russ: that's what I was going to say would be our next little problem.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay right, how many sensory nerves am I messing around with?

Russ: five senses and five fingers.

Karra: the five senses.

Russ: okay let's just go with the five senses, all right.

Karra: okay, how does this work?

Russ: feel, yeah, feeling?

Karra: if it was me, I would feel my finger running along the clean copper.

Russ: right.

Karra: right. I would know instinctually what's happening is that by doing this, it's going down here, all the way down the arm through the nerve center or the nerve line to the central nervous processing unit.

Russ: CPU.

Karra: correct. Now, what's happening?

Russ: you're seeing me.

Karra: how?

Russ: with the optic nerve centers that are behind the eyeball.

Karra: uh-huh. The light is coming in and touching the retina...

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: the retina takes this along here to the back of the cranium along the nervous passageway, the nerve center.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: okay.

Russ: taste.

Karra: taste, what is happening?

Russ: you've got various nerves that differentiate between heat, cold, salt, sweet....

Karra: and so on, the flavors.

Russ: yeah right, flavors, and that sends it to your brain which has a full record of each of those tastes and can tell you which one it is.

Karra: this one.

Russ: hearing.

Karra: hearing, what is happening?

Russ: travels through the ear canal...

Karra: go back a step.

Russ: well sound vibration.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: goes into the ear?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hits the eardrum....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which creates a resonance....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: which goes in and is filtered in through the brain.

Karra: correct. And we missed one out. We've done taste....

Russ: no.

Karra: we did touch...oh yes.....(sniffs)...smell.

Russ: right. That's where the capillaries in the nose....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: pick up the various microscopic molecules of smell....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and transfer them to the brain.

Karra: they have all one thing in common.

Russ: the brain.

Karra: besides the brain.

Russ: nerve centers.

Karra: okay, three things in common.

Russ: the.....I don't know.

Karra: the light touches the retina....

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: the sound waves touches the eardrums.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: Mark's finger touches the pyramid. The taste touches the senses in his tongue. The smell touches.

Russ: yeah.

Karra: it's all touch.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: despite popular opinion, it is all touch.

Russ: well....

Karra: it is all being processed by the inboard computer.

Russ: how much of those nerve centers are we actually aware of? All of them and they're just not as aware, they're not as fully functional or.....? 

Karra: they need to be tuned better.

Russ: tuned better.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Hmm, alrighty and that's where the various meditations come in......

Karra: correct.

Russ: tuning up the various body parts.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, boy that's a lot.

Karra: that is a lot. Tapes almost dead as well.

Russ: all right, last part then on this is pineal gland.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: where does that fit into all this mess?

Karra: that fits in as a major controlling factor that releases the chemicals at certain times to certain functions. To raise the heightened level of consciousness.

Russ: so it strictly fits in with consciousness, it doesn't fit in with the various senses?

Karra: it does fit in with the various senses. It is an opener or control system that releases certain chemicals or rather, it tells certain parts of your body to release certain chemicals. It tells your testosterone it needs to be released, it tells your sweat glands, it must sweat, it tells your defense mechanism we have an intruder, let's release the white corpuscles.

Russ: I thought pituitary did that.

Karra: it programs the pituitary.

Russ: oh I see, I see. It's the CPU...

Karra: master.

Russ: of that, but the
pineal is also controlled by the brain.

Karra: correct.

Russ: I see, so it's a step down process.

Karra: correct.

Russ: brain,
pineal, pituitary.

Karra: correct, it's a trickle down mechanism.

Russ: I see. Now can the
pineal grow or is it one size throughout your life?

Karra: it grows with your brain when your brain grows.

Russ: well I thought that's only during your growth phase.

Karra: it expands, correct.

Russ: once you've reached your maximum growth phase, then your brain doesn't grow anymore.

Karra: correct.

Russ: all you do is open up more of your brain.

Karra: and what happens to your

Russ: that's why I'm asking. Once you open up more of your brain, does your
pineal gland then open up also?

Karra: it becomes more active.

Russ: more active, but doesn't enlarge.

Karra: correct.

Russ: okay.......I think.

Karra: you don't understand do you?

Russ: no, no, I don't.

Karra: okay, you have the overall control mechanism.

Russ: right.

Karra: you have the next step down and then the final step down that takes over and releases all the information. But it cannot release the information until the secondary unit has told it to do so. And in turn the secondary has to receive information from the primary to do so. But sometimes the secondary will work independently and release, let's say the white corpuscles to go charging off to attack something and that is a malfunction.

Russ: that's when you get cancer.

Karra: that's when you get free radicals.

Russ: ahh.

Karra: when free radicals break out, right? You get what? Then you get the cancer.

Russ: then you get the cancer.

Karra: correct. I think it was very good that Kiri came up with the hypothesis the reason why she can't get pregnant at the moment is because Rob is not ready.

Russ: yeah I think so too, I mean maybe that's going to help her.

Karra: oh yeah, I think it will too. She will be pregnant....

Russ: hmm.

Karra: I mean Mark has seen it and Mark can be very clairvoyant at times.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: he has seen it, seen her pushing a what would you call it, a pram?

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: it push chair, a stroller.

Russ: uh-huh. What about Leonedies?

Karra: what about him?

Russ: if his brain is growing, and his
pineal gland is growing...

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and active at the age that he's at, isn't there a chance of burnout?

Karra: yes. That is the reason why some of the super operant's go bubbab bubba
bubbab. If you remember we said that?

Russ: yeah, remember but I never thought it might be a factor involving what we're talking about, but now I do.

Karra: now you understand.

Russ: right.

Karra: or you understand a little, the door is a little bit open. Okay...

Russ: all right darling, love you babe.

Karra: love you lots.

Russ: see you in a while.

Karra: oh, better.


(Tia runs the tape out)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia snarls her way into the chat)

Russ: what up darling?

Tia: what's up? Oh, the moon or will be shortly, my vibrational level, my sex drive.....

Russ: well at least your hair isn't.

Tia: what do you mean by that?

Russ: well Karra was talking about your hair.

Tia: no, she said when it goes down.

Russ: oh down.

Tia: it is up at the moment.

Russ: your hair is up.

Tia: or reasonably up.

Russ: so how do you work with somebody like Leonedies to prevent that brain........?

Tia: you'd have to ask his teacher.

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is she going to channel pretty soon or something?

Tia: no, she doesn't.

Russ: I didn't think so.

Tia: she's much too busy. Also, I found out why I got absolutely smashed.

Russ: somebody slipped you some elixir?

Tia: uh-uh.

Russ: what?

Tia: the medical shot that I had for the infection on my tail...


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