The Merkabah and the Dark Crystal of Sedona-

Channeled (10/31/1995 )

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Archivist Notes: It's appropriate that a tape recorded on Halloween of 1995 should be posted twenty-five years later the next day after Halloween. In keeping with that theme, things do get a bit spooky as we discuss an area in Sedona that has some unusual energies. While there may be some very positive energy surrounding the vortex's in the area, an opposite type of energy exists, though this was a long time in the past. Not in the past were the Merkabah, a race similar to Ashtar Command who are also a part of the Galactic Federation. It's always nice to hear the ways we are protected by multiple groups while we advance consciously as a species. We also get to experience Korton giving a lesson on communication crystals to show the various ways they can be used. The demonstration was due to a friend of mine from Sedona who had moved in with Mark and I while he transitioned between one chapter of his life and another. Getting acquainted with the Ashtar Command members was first on his list throughout the rest of the side and a lot of side two. It was old home week as he had been with me when we first saw Omal and Korton channeled through another person named Roger Pinion. Meeting them again through Mark was picking up from where he had last left off with Omal continuing their previous conversation in Sedona. The other main points brought up on side two were Omal giving a recital from the bridge of the U.S.S Enterprise in the original "Star Trek" and a review of the material Kiri had been presenting to us regarding the Sirian Chronicles. Now, on to a more detailed summary.

   Fans of the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" will appreciate the beginning of side one as Karra leads us through a quick time warp before we get down to business. She brings on Korton to take her place and his participation in the channeling session was due in part to my contacting the Sedona Journal of Emergence about placing channeling transcripts in their magazine. I also wanted to know from Korton what of the Sirian Chronicles could be used. Kiri had been dictating off of the actual records from the Sirian Library the week prior and we now had a comprehensive history of Sirius over hundreds of thousands of years. When Korton refers to her as a librarian, it is because she is the librarian of Sirius which is a responsibility handed down to her that is both ceremonial and functional as it was in this case. Moving on, our guest had brought two communication crystals from Sedona and Korton walked us through some hands-on training in how they work. Channeling crystals refer to crystals with a front face of seven sides and a back face behind it of three sides. With Korton's help, our guest and I were able to exchange thoughts while our guest was able to connect with his guides to channel a three-word sentence. For a first-time use, it was an impressive demonstration. We switch topics to one of the groups helping in Earth's ascension called the Merkabah. It's not one of the more well-known races protecting our planet and so Korton gives a fuller knowledge of who they are as a species. He also gives us a better idea of the relationship between the various groups that oversee the defense of humanity. Korton next verifies something the residents of Sedona suspected back when I lived there of a negative energy source in the form of a dark crystal which counteracts some of the positive energy of the vortexes. What we learn from him is that it isn't in a place to sightsee while visiting or living there just from the warnings he gives on what could happen because of the negative influence of the crystal. This was a point in the channeling session that reality became much stranger than science fiction. He ends his time talking by explaining the permanent nature of information on computers that can remain long after it has been deleted or intercepted while being transferred from one computer to another. That brings on Tia who answers questions until we run out of questions on this side of the tape. The topics we cover are the possible independence of Québec, Mark's growing telepathic skill, and a joke about camping.       

   One of the benefits of having new guests come to ask questions of the speakers on the base was the fresh perspectives they brought with their questions. Case in point, our guest from Sedona finds out for us that Kiri has channeled through both male and female channels here on our planet. That helps us learn about the differences between them and Mark in their channeling techniques. Her being a triple soul with both Mark and Tia was also helpful in gaining a better understanding of Mark's ability to time jump. He might be only gone for only ninety minutes on the third dimension while spending sixteen hours on the base long after he had returned to his body. As his roommate, knowing Mark would be in two places at the same time became old hat. Omal takes the place of Kiri and we get into a conversation about mind-altering substances. This was the continuation of a conversation started years before in Sedona with our guest when Omal had been speaking through the channel named Roger, which was how I met Omal and Korton. We get a great exchange on whether such substances have a benefit or become an eventual dead end. Funny enough, it turns out to be both. We finish up going over some questions I would have to revisit with Kiri when she channeled. We start in on what parts of the Sirian Chronicles could be put online which became a debate of myself wanting more than she felt was relevant to our species. One item that might go unnoticed but should be pointed out is that she reminds me of how Tonar the Second could have become part of the union of the mind. Ascension involves joining that union which is why the third dimension can be so difficult to leave. Some might find that joining with others mentally in a group consciousness less preferable to continuing on without that sharing. The tape ends just in the middle of our guest's question on our eventual ascension which is a shame though what we were able to record was another example of a channeling session that fills in some blanks in the archive. Two examples were that this was our guest's first session and why we were able to post as much as we were able of the Sirian Chronicles. Overall, the session was funny, racy, and packed with important information. The only thing missing was a longer conversation with Karra and instead was a more crucial second stint by Kiri to answer questions regarding the Sirian Chronicles.        

TIA- Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KARRA RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(1:40)- Korton gives a hands-on demonstration of how communication crystals work, the beings called the Merkabah and he delivers some warnings about avoiding the dark crystal of Sedona.
2.)(23:30)- Tia reflects back on a conversation that took place prior to the session about Québec possibly separating from Canada. That leads to a geography lesson on countries that had broken apart.

1.)(3:01)- Kiri explains the differences when channeling through a male instead of a female and how Mark, Tia, and herself as triplet souls practically share one mind. She also gives us a description of herself.
2.)(8.30)- Omal continues a conversation he had with our guest back in Sedona when he was channeled through another person. That brings up a question on substance abuse and how it can be a dead end.
3.)(23:59)- Kiri had dictated the first two parts of the Sirian Chronicles the previous week so we were having a debate over what could be posted that would be the most relevant to our species.
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(Karra temporarily steps into the ring mistress role)

Karra: okay, down to business.......yes?

Russ: oh, you mean our business?

Karra: yes.

Russ: oh. Well why are you ring mistress tonight? I know Tia's tired.

Karra: because Kiri and Tia haven't arrived yet.

Russ: oh they haven't?

Karra: no.

Russ: I was going to say, this is a first for you, darling. Well not first, I mean, in a long time.

Karra: no, it's been a long time.

Russ: a real long time, good. Well let's see, how are we set up for the party tonight?

Karra: oh, everything is ready.

Russ: oh, it is? Okay.

Karra: uh-huh. Okay now then, both of you, stand up. Take a step to the left, and a jump to the right, put your hands on your hip.....

John: and do the Hokey Pokey, oh gosh.

Karra: hey, come on guys, I'm serious.

Russ: all right, all right, all right.

Karra: okay, take a step to the left.....

Russ: step to the left .....

Karra: and a jump to the right.......

Russ: jump to the right.

Karra: put your hands on your hips and do the pelvic thrust. Group sex, group sex, group sex.

Russ: yeah, welcome to the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" kids.

John: okay.

(Karra sings) "let's all do the time warp again".

John: that was interesting.

Karra: t
ake a step to the left, and a jump to the right, put your hands on your hip and do the pelvic thrust. Okay, I will put on the first speaker.

Russ: okay.



(Korton is the night's first guest speaker)


Korton: greetings Russ.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Korton: greetings young man.

Russ: Johnny Omal, Omal Johnny.

John: good to hear from you again Omal.

Korton: it would be if it was Omal.

Russ: oh, Korton.

Korton: thank you.

Russ: well you don't call me Russ very often.

Korton: I do not?

Russ: generally it's Mr. Hatfield.

Korton: no, that is Ashtar.

Russ: Ashtar, oh.

Korton: I will either call you Russ or Russell.

Russ: ahh.

Korton: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: alrighty. Okay, communication wise. First off, working on the Sedona Journal of Emergence.....

Korton: yes, that is the reason why I am present.

Russ: excellent. Okay, as you know we went over the Sirian Chronicles, a quarter of that last week.

Korton: a quarter of what Kiri had with her.

Russ: right. And so what I'm wondering is, what is acceptable for use and what isn't acceptable for use?

Korton: all of it is acceptable by Ashtar Base standards. However, you have to discuss it with the librarian.

Russ: okay, so it's her final call?

Korton: correct.

Russ: all right.

Korton: after all, it was with her willingness to cooperate that you were able to get the information. We can at least do her the courtesy of discussing it with her should we not?

Russ: absolutely, I agree. All right, I've got a lead-in for this that I'm going to be starting this off with:

“For three years, my roommate Mark has been channeling various entities from the local base of operations for Ashtar Command in this sector, and I'm pleased to be able to share transcripts of conversations with them for all to enjoy. Special thanks go out to Roger Pinion for my introduction to Omal and Korton so many years ago."

(Roger was the original channel when John and I first met Omal and Korton in Sedona)

Korton: that is acceptable.

Russ: excellent. Okay, we are looking forward to getting some of the information out that we have been working on for so many years and letting others learn what we've learned.

Korton: okay.

Russ: Johnny has a pair of transmission crystals and being as that you are...

Korton: attending, yes..........let quartz...........this is the powerful of the two.

John: pardon me?

Korton: this one here is the more powerful of the two.

John: that's the female, of what I was....

Korton: that is correct.

John: was explained to me was the female.

Korton: that is correct, it has more power and energy.

John: most females do.

Korton: yes, I was about to say do not assume that all females are wimpy.

John: ahh no, I don't assume that at all. I consider females to be the superior species on the planet.

Korton: that is a misconception which needs to be corrected, you are equal.

John: thank you for that clarification.

Russ: okay now, purposes for the transmission crystals?

Korton: receiving energy,
transmitting energy, transmitting communication.

Russ: okay, now are we receiving communication also?

Korton: correct.

Russ: okay.

Korton: you could say they are more like radios.

Russ: okay, kind of like walkie-talkies with crystals in them.

Korton: Russ, would you care to hold one?

Russ: oh, sure.

Korton: Johnny.......

John: yes?

Kortin: would you care to hold the other one? Now, Johnny....

John: yes.
Korton: think of a thought and project it into the crystal. Have you projected it into the crystal?

John: yes.

Korton: Russ, what is the thought? Feel it from the crystal. Greetings feline, greetings Calvin.

Russ: pyramids?

John: work.

Russ: work?

John: just getting a job? That's what I had in mind, just getting a job?

Russ: my first thought was cooking, but I thought that.......

John: well you should have went with your first thought because your first thought was accurate.

Korton: that is correct, what you do is you go with the first thought that pops into your mind. 

Russ: so I see which you mean. So these are for amplifying communication from close up or from distances.

Korton: correct, a little bit. Johnny.....

John: yes?

Korton: tell me about cooking.

John: it's what I do in this dimension the best. I love it, it's in my heart, it's in my soul and I am fortunate where I am very good at it. I have a natural knack and I love it, it's my life.

Korton: okay, was that not eloquent, was it not spoken well? To start off with, you had a little bit of difficulty, but once you started speaking it flowed out of you more easily.

John: yes, is the crystal helping?

Korton: correct. Russ.......

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: tell me about playing Frisbee golf.

Russ: it's a.....

Korton: do not think about it, just talk.

Russ: well I like the ability to toss a disc a long distance and see it curve just where I want it to be.

Korton: you need practice in linking with these. The person who has had them longer finds it easier to communicate with them.

Russ: ahh, that makes sense.

Korton: you need to let it flow.

Russ: now, should these be cleansed?

Korton: no.

Russ: okay, leave them as is.

Korton: correct.

Russ: ahh.

Korton: okay now, the purpose of the transmission crystals is when they fall into your hands, is to help you with your communication abilities. Not only by becoming more eloquent in your communication skills but also to be able to receive and feel the energy and to be able to transmit it into an audible form by using your voice. In essence, becoming a channel for the crystals to communicate what they are receiving.

Russ: ahh.

John: Russ referred to these as transmitter crystals and when I was in Sedona, that's what he asked me for......

Korton: uh-huh.

John: okay? These are what I was told were channeling crystals.

Korton: channeling and trans....

John: what is the difference between a channeling crystal and a transmitter crystal?

Korton: what Russ is referring to is being able to transmit communication. For example, I am being channeled by Mark, Mark's body is transmitting the information. Do you see what I am saying? That Mark is a channel for me to transmit information to you. So therefore he is a channeler and he is also transmitting information at the same time.

Russ: so the crystals act like Mark.

John: did I do good in....

Korton: selecting....

John: purchasing and selecting these tools?

Korton: yes. Purchase I do not understand the concept. I understand the principle but purchasing is something that is a little bit difficult to understand.

John: okay, these crystals came to me.....

Korton: yes, they came into your hands.

John: and I wanted some strong tools....

Korton: uh-huh.

John: to help with my personal development, spiritual development...

Korton: uh-huh.

John: and understanding.

Korton: yes, I understand. Now Russ, hand John or Johnny the crystal. Close your eyes and tell me about your vehicle of transportation.

John: your question is going to Russ?

Russ: no, to you.

John: to me?

Korton: yes.

John: okay. I've got a 1980 Dodge pickup, crew cab with a camper shell on it, very nice truck. Yeah, it's very, very functional. On the downside of it, I'd say if there was any kind of negative thing, it's fuel efficiency.

Korton: uh-huh.

John: it's not very fuel-efficient but...

Korton: okay, now, clear your mind.

John: yes.

Korton: totally cleared? Now, what is the first thing that comes into your mind?

John: home on wheels.

Russ: hmmm, I see which you mean.

Korton: uh-huh. Okay, now let us get to the answer and question part.

Russ: okay.

Korton: or question and answer.

Russ: one thing I have to wonder is, are those crystals a good source of Johnny's ability to work with his guides?

Korton: yes. Again, it goes back to the channeling and transmission.

Russ: okay, so this is a point where he can focus in more on his guides....

Korton: correct.

Russ: and get something like home on wheels.

Korton: correct.

Russ: oh I see, okay, good. All right.....

Korton: and that was not Johnny saying that.

Russ: oh, okay.

Korton: that was information coming through the crystals, being channeled through them.

Russ: ahhh.

Korton: are you all right there Johnny?

John: yes?

Korton: okay, I was just a little bit concerned that you were suddenly very quiet. Okay....

John: okay, Russ brought up the Sedona Journal.

Korton: uh-huh.

John: I'm vaguely familiar with the publication but I just came here from Sedona.

Korton: uh-huh.

John: made a long, hard journey to make it here and I'm curious about a few different things. Merkabah.....

Korton: uh-huh.

John: I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly. Can you explain Merkabah to me or the relationship with the Brotherhood? Oh God, sorry.......what is the correct term for, in my mind, the Brotherhood?

Korton: oh, you mean the organized groups that work such as ourselves?

John: the Sirians, the Pleiadians, the Merkabah, everyone involved in the Ashtar Command, I'm curious about the whole thing.

Korton: we are loosely working together, we try not to step on each other's toes. This is the standard answer I'm afraid. We try very hard not to step on each other's toes. Where we overlap we will communicate. For example, we will try to interdict with hostile third dimensional entities that wish to treat you like lab mice. To run experiments to see how you work, how you think.

John: Korton, to get back to my first question, where does the Merkabah play in the whole picture and can you explain more about the Merkabah to me?

Korton: I can try. They are a semi-reclusive group of individuals that have traveled quite some distance and are not even now from their own original base of operation. What
they do is they try to be guardians, try to steer you in a direction that they perceive as being to the best advantage for your species. Some of the things that they do we disagree with, but we do not interfere because we do not know what your ultimate destiny is and neither do they. And maybe they have the right idea or maybe we have the right idea or somebody else does, or all the things combined together by pushing you in different directions gives you much more chances of achieving a goal that would be beneficial to your species.   

John: okay, so if I'm understanding you correctly, you don't work directly with the Merkabah...

Korton: uh-huh.

John: and the Merkabah is don't consider them positive or negative?

Korton: definitely not negative. They have their own idea on what way your species should be going and we have our own idea, and both seem to be beneficial at this time.

John: is there positive knowledge to be gained from the Merkabah for us humans trying to move into the fourth or fifth dimension?

Korton: sixth dimension.

John: sixth dimension, excuse me. Thank you for clarifying that.

Korton: yes, there is positive information to be learned from every species that interdicts with your planet, whether it is positive or negative, the information to learn can be very positive. Negative suggests something bad. How can knowledge be bad? Knowledge of bad things is not bad, it is just what the knowledge is. How you use it is the key.

John: Korton, are you yourself based on Hades Base on Mars?

Korton: it is my temporary workstation for a period of time.

John: okay, you said that the Merkabah, I'm paraphrasing now, not quoting you, but the impression I got was the Merkabah were here in our space and time in our dimension, but they were far from home.

Korton: yes.

John: now you yourself are far from your home planet.

Korton: correct.

John: am I correct?

Korton: correct.

John: do the Merkabah have a base like Hades Base or something I can compared it to?

Korton: the best way to describe it would be a portable base, a spaceship. And you could put a spaceship wherever you wish. You could place it on your moon, you could place it on one of moons of the many planets in your system.

John: all right, if I may, I'd like to change the subject......

Korton: certainly.

John: like I said earlier, I just came from Sedona....

Korton: uh-huh.

John: and there seems to be a lot of.....I hate to use the word alien.....but for my simple mind I will use that term. There seems to be a lot of alien and military activity, and the military activity is very secret.

Korton: yes, I understand exactly what you're saying and where you're coming from. This is something that has been discussed and it is something to be concerned about. That particular area in Sedona.....for the present the name of the area eludes me......

John: Secret Canyon? Does that ring a bell for you at all?

Korton: yes it does ring a bell, that could be the name, but it is an area that is ideally suited for use by secretive organizations. It also has a power source which is to be wary of. It is....

John: a crystal....

Korton: yes.

John: a dark crystal.

Korton: it is not to be approached, unless you are very, very strong. I myself would have difficulty with it because it shows you what you could be if you walk down a particular avenue. It talks to you, it whispers to you, nice things that lead down a path which is harmful. But it is whispered so subtly and nicely that you do not perceive it as that until it's too late. And please, give yourself more credit, you're not a simple individual.

John: well I consider myself a simple man but I did have the perception of this dark or evil.....I don't know what the correct terminology leave, to get away from it.

Korton: uh-huh. What it does is it drives away those that are pure. I do not mean snow white pure or pure white as the bib of this feline, as this is, but I mean that is pure in heart.

John: so I made the right decision leaving?

Korton: yes.

John: this dark source was draining me......

Korton: yes.

John: it was starting to work against me and I needed to get away from it.

Korton: yes, and there were other motives why you left as well, but I understand that the combination of all these motives, plus the crystal was enough to force you to decide to be young again and to take the challenge of a new environment.

John: thank you, thank you Korton. I have much to contemplate.

Korton: you're welcome. Russ, one last question.

Russ: one last question, yes, that's what I've got. Currently, with our current sources of information all linked up to computers and more information coming online every day, would the loss of this information due to what is to become be comparable to the destruction of the Library at Alexandria?


Russ: no.

Korton: because computers now, you tell them to forget, but they do not forget. There are people that are employed in retrieving information that computers have been told to forget that they have not forgotten.

Russ: so that information is always retrievable.

Korton: correct. Because if you send information, let us say you have a computer downstairs and you have a computer at your office...

Russ: uh-huh.

Korton: you send the information by telephone....

Russ: right.

Korton: to your office, how many possibilities are there for information to leak out from your telephone to the computer at your workstation?

Russ: well they're not hooked up, none actually.

Korton: no, I am saying that if they were hooked up.

Russ: oh, quite a bit. I mean they'd be interlinked.

Korton: correct but there would be many points in between, between your place of residence and your workstation where the information could be taken out of and you would be none the wiser.

Russ: true.

Cork: so the information that you send from one to the other and you tell the other one to forget the information that you have sent to it, could be somewhere between the lines on somebody else's computer that is monitoring your system.

Russ: oh I see. Okay, so that information is permanent, essentially?

Korton: correct.

Russ: ahh. Well, thank you.

Korton: you're welcome. Farewell, Johnny.....

John: farewell.

Korton: farewell Russell.

Russ: farewell Korton.

John: thank you.



(Tia resumes her ring mistress duties and gets us to side two)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia. Tired, darling?

Tia: yes, very.

Russ: I understand. It was a good cause, we worked hard on that one.

(Tia plays with a cat toy in the room)

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so Mark got rather emotional over this particular subject, which surprised me. I assume a lot of that was your doing.

Tia: yes, 90% of it was my doing. In fact I think he didn't realize that he was channeling me at the time.

Russ: ahh. Yeah, because it wasn't a typical Mark that I was talking to, who was fired up and....

Tia: you've got to remember that Mark is very politically astute, even though he pretends frequently not to be so.

Russ: true, but he doesn't get vehement in his astuteness.

Tia: it doesn't serve the purpose when talking to you. If he was talking to somebody else, I'm pretty sure somebody on his political level, I'm sure that he would be much more forceful in his communication and much more passionate.

Russ: hmm. 

John: excuse me? You are referring to the situation in Québec?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: am I correct?

Tia: that's correct.

Russ: this is to say I'm politically naïve.

Tia: no, I wouldn't say politically naïve, I would say politically tinted.

Russ: ahh yes, I understand.

Tia: you have to remember that Mark is partially trained to be a politician.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: notice that he can be very passionate about his political views, and that he can be very eloquent when he communicates them.

Russ: yes.

John: when do you perceive the Québec separating from Canada? Because it is inevitable in my mind, unless I'm mistaken.

Tia: I don't think you're mistaken, I think it is inevitable eventually given time. But it is a symptom of a greater disease.....well not a disease, but of a greater picture. You have to remember that Québec is not the only area on your planet that is like that. Not necessarily a different ethnic speaking area but a different ethnic structure, an area that is totally self-sufficient. Can any of you tell me where a country has had the same sort of problem recently?

Russ: country?

John: oh gosh, let me think.....South America.

Tia: no, Russ?

Russ: Yugoslavia.

Tia: correct. Yugoslavia no longer exists, it is broken down into ethnic provinces. Name another country.

Russ: that's easy, Russia.

Tia: no.

John: Nicaragua.

Tia: no, Russ was very, very close, though. The Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic.

Russ: oh yes.

Tia: Russia is just a part of it.

Russ: right.

Tia: name a country where that worked in reverse.

Russ: you mean where it actually all came together?

Tia: uh-huh.

John: the United States.

Tia: no.

John: America.

Tia: uh-uh, that's still broken up. Canada is not part of America, neither is Mexico.

John: it's part of North America.

Tia: uh-huh, but it's not part of the country.

Russ: how about Australia?

Tia: no.

Russ: England.

John: Germany.

Tia: very, very close. In fact I could say yes to that, but in actual fact it's South Africa.

Russ: how could it be South Africa though? Because......

Tia: Swaziland, Zululand, they were all separate and independent.

Russ: I thought they still were.

Tia: no, they're now all part of it. Remember the Zulu leader?

Russ: you mean, Shaka Kar.......?

Tia: no, the one at the moment.

Russ: oh, I can't think of his name now.

Tia: that he tried to run to be president of South Africa?

Russ: uh-huh.

John: can I interject something?

Tia: certainly.

John: I was with Mark.....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and he went out of his way, and it is not his norm by any means to go to casinos.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and he took me out the other night.....

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and at first I thought he was doing it to entertain me.....

Tia: it was partly to entertain you. I discussed it with Mark and it's partly that you needed to get out and have some fun and he could kill two birds with one stone. And at first he didn't want to go. Remember he was constantly going, "no, I don't want to do that", remember?

John: yes, I remember quite well.

Tia: uh-huh, and that was the debate between Mark and myself.

John: yeah, but Mark got almost a little jealous and asked me to refrain from my thoughts.

Tia: I don't think he was jealous or anything, I think it was more of a distraction that you were transmitting when he was trying to dwell on his own thoughts. Mark at certain times can be very receptive to input from other people on a telepathic level. I don't think he realizes it most the time. I think the time that you were transmitting, he happened to be very open and receptive and was actually aware of the fact that he was receiving information that was not his own thoughts. Okay, more questions?

Russ: oh, how's your costume, wearing hunting colors?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: no clothes this time?

Tia: I've still got my panties and bra.

Russ: oh you do?

Tia: not much of panties this time.

Russ: oh.

Tia: not much of a bra either.

John: if I understand correctly, you're going to dress up as a dog?

(Russ and John start laughing)

John: I'm sorry, I've got a sick sense of humor, I hope you appreciate it.

(Tia hisses at John in fun)

Russ: oh, speaking of cats, Carrie.

Tia: yes?

John: oh, I apologize. You don't take offense to what I said, do you?

Tia: no. Carrie's cat, yes, I'm sorry.

Russ: no, Carrie wants to come up to Hades base.

Tia: hmm, yes, Kiri and myself discussed that. I can work it the other way. I can meta-concert with Kiri and take Kiri down into her dreams.

Russ: and coerce Carrie up to Hades base?

Tia: I don't think Carrie's ready at the moment, she's got too much going in her life.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: she's too tense. Mind you, she should stop camping so much.

Russ: stop what?

John: camping?

Russ: camping?

John: is that what you said?

Tia: yeah, she's got two tents.

Russ: oh, it's a joke, two tents.

John: oh.

Russ: oh God.

John: you're going to stay out of my aquarium and leave my giant Plecostomus alone, aren't you?

Tia: it's a catfish?

John: it's a giant Plecostomus.

Tia: it's a catfish.

John: Mark told me that that's how you would relate to it.

Tia: it's got whiskers.

John: it's very similar to a catfish.

Russ: it's in the family of it maybe.

John: but it's a Plecostomus. Would you like some tea?

Tia: yes please, I would love a cup of tea, dearly love one. Earl Grey hot, little bit of milk, no sugar.

Russ: I'll start it up.

John: why are you sticking your tongue out?

Tia: I'm sticking my tongue out at him, he's being facetious.

John: okay, after speaking with Korton, I'm....

Tia: blowing off steam.

John: yeah, lightening up and joking around. Russ has been joking with me all day. He's put me in this kind of joking kind of mood.

Tia: well, I can put on the calvary in a second. In fact, I'll put on the calvary now as I'm going to be semi-ring mistress, we're going to share the duties.

Russ: oh good.

John: define what you're saying to me, what are you saying?

Tia: I'm going to give you some support're going to get help.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)




(Kiri wants to do a time warp as she gets started)

Russ: of the girls or Omal.....

Kiri: okay, both of you are standing up, good, good, good, good, good, good.

John: oh, we're not going to do the Hokey Pokey?

Kiri: okay, take a step to the left.....

John: oh, no.

Russ: we've done this already.

Kiri: she did what?

Russ: she did this already.

Kiri: don't think that, Karra did that? Ooohhhh.......

Russ: she's way ahead of you darling.

Kiri: bitch.

Russ: bitch?

John: you want us to do it?

Kiri: no.

John: step to the left, step to the right.......

Kiri: no, no, no, she already......

John: shake your ass.

Kiri: no, it's put your hands on your hip and do the pelvic thrust. Look, I'll show you.......

John: that's the Hokey Pokey.

Kiri: I'll show you.

John: that's an old Polish thing, it's a European tradition.

Kiri: take a step to the left, and a jump to the right, put your hands on your hips and do the pelvic thrust.

(John starts laughing)

Kiri: do you know what you look like? You look like a refugee from the sixties. 

Russ: I would go a bit farther back, like....

Kiri: the 1860s.

John: and can I ask you something about your channel?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: with you being female and you channeling through a male, is there any difficulty there or.....

Kiri: there's a lot more sensations that can be overloading sometimes.

John: because I notice when you're doing those pelvic thrusts there, you're doing them just like a female even though you're manifesting yourself in a male body.

Kiri: I'm still female. Just because I happen to be inhabiting Mark's body doesn't mean to say that I can't maneuver it like a female, like I am.

John: well, I mean I'm not insulting or anything.......

Kiri: oh no, no.

John: I'm curious.

Kiri: I understand that you're curious, curious is always an important part of understanding.

John: now, do you have female channels that you work through?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

John: do you find it easier?

Kiri: yes, I find it much easier.

John: to work through a female channel?

Kiri: yes, but Mark is part of my triplet soul you see. So therefore, it's a much easier mesh because he's very close to my mental frequency. The fact that he's got a higher IQ than Russ, but both their IQ's are insignificant compared to my IQ.

John: okay, well I mean the IQ might be a factor, but I've noticed that Mark has a lot of female qualities about him.

Kiri: what makes you say that?

Russ: hanging around you girls too much.

John: just my interaction with him, Mark has female qualities. All of us, all of us males have.....

Kiri: yeah, Mark's......

John: all of the people on this planet have male and female qualities and I'm not saying that as an insult.....

Kiri: no, no, I understand.

John: saying Mark has female qualities.

Kiri: Mark is very in tune with his being, his flesh and bones and everything.

John: does that help with channeling through a male?

Kiri: I think it's little bit of a side effect that Mark suffers from from channeling with us, that he becomes a little bit more feminine. I mean, it doesn't make him....

Russ: how about the fact that he's got you in his brain for eight out of every 24 hours?

Kiri: I think that might have something to do with it and what have you got in your hand there? Ohhh, a crystal huh? Crystal fight, crystal fight.

John: do you like crystals?

Kiri: they have their uses.

John: do you use them at school?

Kiri: oh yes, yes, sorry, I was thinking of something else. Hmm, you've got a good question there is, I think it's partly because Mark is so in tune with Tia and myself that he picks up some of our behavior patterns. Mark, being not particularly muscular, I think that also might have something to do with the fact that he can be a little bit feminine.

John: okay, now I want to make sure I clarify this....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I find that female qualities...

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: in a man are beneficial.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and we all have them. Some of us manifest it more than others, but don't misunderstand.

Kiri: no, no, I don't misunderstand you at all. I understand exactly what you're saying and what I'm saying is that the reasons why it's more noticeable in Mark is because of us. Especially when he comes home at lunchtime, the few times that I've seen at lunchtime, he appears to be a little bit different than at the end of the day. At the end of the day he seems to be a little bit more softer and more subtle, whereas when he's still working but he's on his break, he seems to be a little bit more less smilely, more serious, more masculine.

John: now, am I correct that when he comes home from his lunch break....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: he's also on Hades Base at the same time.

Kiri: most of the time, yes.

John: and when he comes home from work....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: he's not on Hades base any longer.

Kiri: that's correct.

John: am I correct?

Kiri: that's correct.

John: is there a relation between.....

Kiri: yes there is, because we're in his mind. For example, I've noticed that sometimes when I go to the bathroom, Mark goes to the bathroom. And it's also funny to notice that Tia will also go to the bathroom at the same time.

Russ: line forms at the bathroom door.

Kiri: that's why we have a big bathroom. Has Russ told you about my sexual orientation?

John: well, Mark and Russ have both discussed it and if I understand correctly, you're bisexual and partial to women more so than men.

Kiri: uh-huh, that's correct.

John: am I correct?

Kiri: that's correct. I mean, given the choice if there was three guys and one girl, I'd go for the girl.

John: okay.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: now what does your sexuality have to do with anything that pertains to me on this planet in the third dimension?

Kiri: well the fact that although by your standards, I'm quite beautiful, it doesn't mean......

John: well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know what you look like so how do you know whether I perceive you as beautiful?

Kiri: well I'm 6'1'' in your height, I have darkish, reddish blondish hair. I'm long legged, athletic build because I work out once a day for about an hour. My chest size, I'm not quite sure of your inches, I should say it's about 35, is that about right?

Russ: it's about right. 36, I'd say more.

Kiri: well how would you know? You've only seen them a few times.

Russ: well it's more than a handful, let's put it that way.

Kiri: oh, certainly, yes, they are definitely more than a handful.

Russ: if I can help a little bit Kiri, that's a picture of Karra. The big one there, the red one?

(there was a fantasy poster with an image of a woman much like Karra on the wall)

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and she's Karra's sister and looks similar.

Kiri: a younger version.

John: which one would be more attractive?

Kiri: I am.

Russ: Karra.

(Russ starts laughing)

John: well, why do you say that?

Russ: we're both rather biased.

Kiri: for the simple reason that I have youth on my side. I'm only 57......58. Okay....

Russ: Karra has maturity. All right, now then....

Kiri: she's an old hag.

John: oh, oh, a little sibling rivalry here, huh?

Kiri: well she's 82.

Russ: is Omal coming in tonight?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: he is?

Kiri: I think so. Anyway....


(Omal now has the floor as far as questions and answers)

Omal: greetings Russ, greetings Johnny.

Russ: greetings Omal.

Omal: and how's it functioning Johnny? I see by our monitors that your aura is fluctuating with a laughter mode.

John: ahh yes, I do believe humor is good and I'm going through a transition in my life right now....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and Russell is quite the communicator and quite the comedian and he's kind of put me in this mode and I have had some drinks tonight.

Omal: uh-huh, we notice that in your aura, that it is fluctuating with an imbibement of alcoholic adult beverages.

Russ: I should've been given the big clue when Korton came in and said, "good evening young man". I know that's not what you would've said.....

Omal: that's correct.

Russ: because you've had a lot more experience with Johnny than Korton....

Omal: and I do recognize the aura more than Korton does.

Russ: well, that was my mistake.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I did expect Korton tonight in the least.

Omal: well, it should've been self-evident from what was discussed with Karra, the fact of your communication on your letterhead.

Russ: that's true. Well....

Omal: but we have some unfinished business to discuss Johnny, do we not?

John: ahh yes?

Omal: focusing on one's goals and ambitions if my memory serves me right.

John: yes? Do you mind if I ask a question...

Omal: certainly.

John: before we get into that?

Omal: certainly.

John: I'm curious about the channel Roger....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and I experienced the man in Sedona and I understand he moved to New Zealand.

Omal: uh-huh.

John: do you know his present location and if he is alive and well?

Omal: yes, it is in the continental U.S. of A.

John: oh, he's moved back?

Omal: temporarily, yes.

John: yes, so he is back in the United States?

Omal: correct.

John: and he is alive and well?

Omal: I would say alive but if you remember, he did like to imbibe alcoholic beverages to make it a more fluid connection, which in turn affected me as well as himself.

John: okay, should we go off of that? What about my alcoholism?

Omal: that is your path that you must walk down.

John: it's definitely been a hindrance for me, wouldn't you say?

Omal: certainly a hindrance, yes, but it is also something you must learn to cope with. Do you wish to continue being involved alcohol is such an excessive manner?

John: I would like to remove that aspect from my life.

Omal: okay.

John: I have used it as a tool in my mind, but I don't know if......I think I'm misusing it.

Omal: well, how much do you drink a night?

John: it varies but too much.

Omal: if you perceive it as too much then what you may do is cut down or you can go a week without an alcoholic beverage. And if you can go one week without an alcoholic beverage, why not two? And if you can go two, why not three? The thing is to take it one step at a time. In the time that we have been communicating I see that you have a beverage there at your feet, you have not taken a sip.

John: yeah, I've got two beverages. I've got beer, and I've got tea.

Omal: correct but you have not taken a sip of your alcoholic beverage in the time that we have been communicating so far.

John: that's correct.

Omal: can you extend that through this whole entire communication?

John: yes.

Omal: okay, that it is part of learning to focus, focusing on something to replace it with.

Russ: when you said he had unfinished business, does this go back to Sedona?

Omal: yes, that is correct. If you remember Johnny, we did discuss the effects of artificial substances to stimulate one's being.

John: was this......?

Omal: yes it was.

John: okay.

Omal: it was in reference the fact that the usage of herbal substances to stimulate one's psychic awareness does have its uses. However, it is a dead end.

Russ: that's a great memory.

John: okay, so the application of hallucinogenic and mind altering substances, has been the foundation of mankind's......

Omal: psychic understanding.

John: psychic understanding.

Omal: correct.

John: so am I correct that it is a tool that can be used but you use it up and.......?

Omal: correct, it leads nowhere. It expands your abilities to a point and then from that point you cannot proceed any further. It therefore becomes not a necessary tool to help you to advance, it becomes a tool that you need even though you cannot proceed any further.

Russ: it's a crutch

John: okay, so right now in my life right now....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: I have used these substances as tools, but it's gotten to the point where they're limiting me.

Omal: correct.

John: and the sooner I release these substances from my.....

Omal: from your usage.

John: from my usage from my lexicon of life.....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: the sooner I release them, the further I can expend spiritually.

Omal: correct. Because by releasing them, you are giving up something that you have been using. Now there is a little bit of a effect that occurs and it is like taking a step back, but you're not taking a step back. What you're actually doing is taking a step back and to one side. So instead of taking a step back down, you take a step of the same length, but to one side, so you do not fall as far and then you precede up the new line that you have created.

John: as long as we're on the subject, I'm curious about lowering my blood sugar or keeping my blood sugar low.....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: when I'm in a meditative or channeling type situation. Is there a direct relationship between low blood sugar and with me, I'm a very small framed man.....

Omal: uh-huh.

John: and I'm hypoglycemic so I......but I mean......

Omal: one second please.

John: but my point is with fasting and lowering your blood sugar, can you use that as a viable tool? Is it good, is it......? You understand my question?

Omal: I had to just quickly communicate with the resident healer as I was little bit out of my league. What our resident healer is saying is that fasting is a symbolic act. It is a religious thing where you fast to purify your body of substances. But in your case being hypoglycemic, it means that you have to keep up a certain level of sugar in your body, correct?

John: correct.

Omal: so therefore, what you do is you fast from certain things that you would find enjoyable and you replace those things with things less enjoyable, which are just as good for you. For example, let us say you absolutely love fresh fruit and that has a lot of sugar in there that keeps your sugar level up. What you would do is go to something that you do not like that has the same amount of sugar, you do away with the fruit for a period of time as you're fasting from the fruit.

John: can you give me another analogy in the opposite context? Do you understand my question?

Omal: yes I do. In the opposite context, let us say that you love bread and cheese and chicken in a sandwich form and it is something that you enjoy. What you would do is you would do away with the bread which has sugar in it and replace it with crackers. Is that correct? Yeah, crackers or rye bread that is soft, that is thin, crispy bread that does not have as much sugar in it. You would do away and eat simple foods that take the minimal amount of preparation time. So you are symbolically fasting, even though you are keeping your sugar level at the correct level that it should be.

John: thank you.

Omal: okay Russ, you have questions, quickly please.

Russ: quickly......first off, just back onto what he was talking about, I've gone two years now without herbal substances....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: what about a progress report? Have I moved forward now?

Omal: yes, you have moved forward. You are much more clearer, you're more eloquent on your communication skills. Although I would not say that it is exactly two years.

Russ: well, close. Oh no, it is two years, I quit on Halloween two years ago.

Omal: yes, but did you not go to a Pink Floyd concert and imbibe?

Russ: I did, didn't I?

John: yeah, yeah, you told me about that.

Omal: did you not go to a Grateful Dead concert and imbibe?

Russ: yeah, okay. All right, now onto other things....

Omal: so it has been less than a year.

Russ: all right, well, it's a start. Now first off, going back on Sirian Chronicles from last week real quickly. Servants of Truth, Light, and Wisdom allowed corruption and coercion and paid for their consequences...

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: did the Army of 144,000 use meta-concert then to defeat....

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: I thought that was made quite clear that they combined their minds to be of one mind.

Russ: it didn't come through I don't think.

Omal: I think Kiri said that they combined their minds to be one mind?

Russ: oh, I didn't listen to tape again, so I'm just going from memory. All right and who raised the children and ran Sirius after the suicide?

Omal: you would have to discuss that with Kiri, that is probably something that she edited out.

Russ: oh okay, I'll check that out. Now then, the Tonar genes were never wiped out, but became a sickness that came to earth?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. And Tonar used weapons of the mind to suppress rebellion, did that later become an ability passed on to the Servants of Truth, Light, and Wisdom?

Omal: they might have been related.

Russ: okay, I was just thinking that might've gone on to it. Okay, how much time do we have?

Omal: we have approximately two minutes.

Russ: two minutes, okay. All right then on the last subject I've got here is, control of creative manifestation becomes corrupted and it then corrupts absolutely. I was watching a cartoon called Akira in which the control of creative manifestation became an absolute power.

Omal: and it fed back on itself.

Russ: right, it fed totally back on itself and created just a major problem.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is this a meta........

Omal: no, it doesn't quite work that way, it is not a metaphor. It is a point of view of a possibility. If you do not learn to control it properly, it runs riot and you think you have control, but you do not, and it grows and it swells and eventually it goes full circle and comes back to where it again feeds in on itself.

Russ: so these are the dangers of meta-concert that were discussed in the Sirian Chronicles?

Omal: correct.

Russ: and so we look at the cycle coming back.

Omal: correct. It is nothing to be scared of, it is something to watch out for.

Russ: it's a warning.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. Thank you. Omal.

Omal: you're welcome.

John: Omal?

Omal: yes?

John: I'd like to thank you and I'm looking forward to our next conversation....

Omal: okay, and you have given me some things to think on. Live long, prosper. Omal to Enterprise, three to beam up. Hey, I'd like to Captain, but the dilithium crystals, they're cold and they're not going to take it. Besides, you're in the wrong dimension.

John: he's got a sense of humor too.

Russ: always had.

Omal: Jim, I'm a doctor, not a gynecologist.


(Tia helps our guest get clear on who is who) 

 Russ: there's your tea. Is Kiri coming back?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: good. Oh, we still got ten minutes.

Tia: she's back.

Russ: oh cool.

John: I get confused between Tia and Kiri.

Tia: my voice is a little bit softer, a little bit younger as well.

John: and you're the younger of the two?

Tia: yeah.

John: but your older sister....

Tia: I don't have a sister.

John: is much.....

Tia: I don't have a sister.

John: you don't have a sister?

Tia: no.

Russ: this is Tia.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: Tia? I'm real confused. Yeah, yeah, I'm real confused.

Russ: okay, there's Kiri, Tia, Karra are the three girls who usually talk. Kiri and Tia are Mark's life mates or triple souls, wives let's call it.

Tia: sex toys.

Russ: Tia, who is from the planet Durondedunn, had an accident and was rejuvenated on sixth dimensional Hades Base.

Tia: actually, it wasn't Hades Base that I was rejuvenated on.

Russ: okay, all right, all right, all right.

Tia: but for the sake of the story.

Russ: yes, and she has no sisters except back on Durondedunn.

Tia: that's right.

Russ: now, Kiri on the other hand, is....

Tia: native to.......

Russ: native to Sirius, lives and works on Hades Base and is Karra's younger sister.


(Kiri takes us to the end of the tape)

John: so Karra is the more attractive one of the two of you, is that correct?

(Russ starts laughing now)

Russ: that will just get you in trouble. Hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo. Yes, she's more attractive if you like a wrinkled.....

Russ: not wrinkled.

Kiri: old woman.

John: in my experience they have better sex than younger women because they're more experienced.

Kiri: listen here you snot nosed kid, how old are you?

(Russ starts laughing at that one)

John: 39, Earth years.

Kiri: you're just a kid.

John: ahh yes, I am.

Kiri: Earth years, I'm 58, blehhhh.

John: yeah, and how old is your sister?

Russ: 82.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: 82? That's going to blow 58 away.

Kiri: and she looks real good in her panties and stockings at the moment, I took her skirt off.

Russ: oh, did you now?

Kiri: that's what Tia was snickering at.

Russ: that's what you were being.....?

Kiri: uh-huh, whilst I was rubbing Tia with my foot.

Russ: all right darling, we're here to negotiate.

John: you're a bad girl.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: uh-huh.

Kiri: I have an incredible sex drive.

Russ: Kiri, sweetheart?

Kiri: yes?

Russ: we're here to talk about your duties as a librarian.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and how much of the Sirian Chronicles you gave I can use. Korton has said all of it, but I wanted to find out.....

Kiri: he did, did he?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: hmmm.

Russ: as far as Ashtar Command standards go....

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: and Hades Base standards. But he says the final word is up to you and I dutifully go by what you....

Kiri: okay, what we can do is you write down what you want to use as far as the ascension, right?

Russ: which is where? I mean we had ascension from.......there was two ascensions.

Kiri: there was the ascension from the barbaric mind to the group mind and then the ascension to a higher dimension.

Russ: right.

Kiri: we can use as far as the ascension to the higher dimension. When we get to that point we will read over it together....

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and we will review it and check it for accuracy, then we will start on the next part, right?

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and we will review that even more critically.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: we will edit out what we think is irrelevant to your species because some of them are very native to the particular climate that we were in.

Russ: right. But at the same point, I have to point out that we are going toward a ethic that is close to what you went through back on.......or your race went through back on Sirius.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and therefore the warnings and the hopes.....

Kiri: that's why I think that it is irrelevant that when you get to the second ascension on the sixth dimension, that is irrelevant because each race has their own path to walk down when they do that.

Russ: but I still see personally that our jump to the sixth dimension is going to hinge a lot on the information that's put out prior to the event to raise people's consciousness that it has happened before.

Kiri: we knew very little about it. You can say that we went to the sixth dimension certainly, but the fact is that each experience is unique to each race.

Russ: right, but wouldn't experiences from another race assist in our growth period necessary to get us to that same point?

Kiri: well...

Russ: I mean, had the Sirians the knowledge of a race before them that had made the transition from third dimension to sixth dimension.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: don't you think that there that would have been a more turn towards getting ready for that point?

Kiri: I think it might've been more of a hindrance than a help.

Russ: how so?

Kiri: okay, the reason why I don't think it would be beneficial for you to use the later information about the second ascension is for the fact that each species when they get there, they have to weed out what is wrong. But by having the information of what happened before to a different race may not help the weeding out. It may make them too tolerant of those that are defective that come along.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: if you remember Tonar the Second, if we had been more tolerant of him, right? He would've grown to a more mature age and we would've helped him and try to understand him and help him to become more part of the union of the mind instead of not cooperating with him. Because it was fresh in our mind of what had happened to us and fresh in our group consciousness of what had happened almost 150,, it was more than that, it was more like 200,000 years beforehand with Tonar the Evil.

Russ: well, what about the point where they come, they all go into the pyramid....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: they're in the caves below the pyramid...

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and then they come out, and they are not sure of which dimension they're in. It can't be third, it can't be the fourth or the fifth, it must be the sixth. What about stuff like that?

Kiri: well you can fill in......

Russ: it's a great story.

Kiri: you can fill in the reasons why we were reasoning that it was the sixth dimension and the reasons why we had difficulty understanding at first where we were. You have to remember that it was only a small group of people, 144,000. It may be a lot of people, but if you look on the planetary scale, it's not that many. It's not even 20% of a million.

Russ: right. So what about the stuff about Sarra going back and having a son and he goes in the pyramid and spends time in that where....

Kiri: oh, you mean Sarra the Second?

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: again, that is more esoterical. It is more something to sit and listen to. It serves no purpose but a part of the history. It doesn't say what is actually happening, it's part of the history. It doesn't set the stage or whatever for what's going on.

Russ: okay. Now personally though, I mean I thought it was a point to shoot for and a beautiful allegory on what.....

Kiri: well if you finish it with the paradise of the new world that they're on.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: the beautiful trees, the fish, and I think it was Sarra the First wasn't it that had the first son? Yeah it was, it was Sarra the First.

Russ: and then his daughter was Sarra the Second.

Kiri: yes, that's correct. It's a nice part of the story, certainly, but it serves no function and other except for setting the stage for Sarra the Second.

Russ: right?

John: do you mind if I ask a couple questions?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: sure, go-ahead.

John: not changing the subject totally, but I'm very curious about human beings, the mother Earth....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and the galaxy....

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: all going through this dimensional change. And we're in the third dimension...

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and we're making a shift into the sixth...

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: is my....


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