Two-Person Meta-Concert Program and Atlantis Or Bust-

Channeled  (09/14/1994)

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Archivist Notes: Now this channeling session for the month of May needs a little bit of explaining prior to getting into the summary to go over a few notes about each speaker's topics. The ants on the base that Kiri mentions and the ones down here are from an experiment we were doing between both colonies. Omal comes on next to a sound quality that is improving and the wizard rig he mentions is another experiment we were trying on the base to help Mark travel further in his astral body. The highlight of the session is Omal's design of a program where only two people needed for a meta-concert and a live demonstration of the technique. Following up the meta-concert demonstration is Kiri and Karra's father who had come to the base to see his grandchildren. Where he mentions being newly ascended, this is his first time Tanaka had been on the sixth dimension even though it's been over three hundred years since that happened. When he mentions Nazreal and Klarra, they were children of Karra before I met her. When he says he looks forward to meeting his grandsons, it was because Karra was pregnant with our twins, David and Michael. Alexander he mentions is Kiri and Mark's son. Lastly, he tells us the full name of Karra's other daughter, Alana to Kiri's amazement of his ability to translate the name from Sirian to English. On side two, Korton and I focus on the power of pyramids beyond what was known by the world. The goal of a current experiment Mark and I were in the midle of down here was determining if pyramids could be a possible power source. The humming we achieved trying to hack the pyramid over Mark's body was an example all of our efforts getting close. Omal gets us to the end of the tape and at the time when this session was recorded, Karra was on Sirius and I was being closely monitored for how I handled her absence. As my mentor, he had good advice for the troubles I was having without her familiar presence in my mind. From there, we cover the information gleaned from a past life regression I did on Mark when we had both lived in Atlantis as brothers. A final note about the channeling session is that they had still not corrected our misunderstanding that they were on the fifth dimension and not the sixth as we would discover later. Now to the complete summary.

   The channeling session from the members of Ashtar Command on Hades Base for the month of May is another special addition to the archives. It revolves around three main subjects starting with a two-person meta-concert program designed by Omal for use as we really got enough friends over for a full five person version. This was after Kiri got the session started with some tips for how to work on coercing ants. She had a colony and would practice on her ants to help us train with ours. Now Omal had come up with the simplified version of a meta-concert and explains how it works in detail along with how it could be expanded as more people are added. This is a perfect follow-up for the information on meta-concerts already in the archives because he enlists Kiri to help demonstrate how the technique works. With her squeezed into the channeling field on the base and her head just under his chin, they go through the process step by step to generate heat in our room down here on earth. After they finish we go over other additions that could be implemented such as crystals to use to supply some extra energy if needed. We can hear on the tape that the room down here got nice and toasty thanks to their efforts. We also discuss ways to use a meta-concert to contact someone far away telepathically using the combined energies to boost the signal. The description and demonstration are enough that we can move on to the surprise guest speaker. Tanaka is the father of Kiri and Karra who at the time was also a senator on Sirius. His short visit was to see his grandchildren and touch base with his daughters. It's during the visit that he reveals he was once the father of both Mark and I when we were brothers in Atlantis. While most know this, Maxxus and Naxxus were two brothers who were part of the colonists from third dimensional Sirius making a new life on Atlantis. It seemed only right that he would be the father of both of our current bond mates. Speaking of Kiri, she returns to get us to the end of the side and is amazed at how her father was able to provide Karra's daughter's full name in English from the Sirian. It also makes us wonder where Tia got her name.

   Side two begins with Korton and I discussing pyramids and their hidden potential still to be discovered. Mark and I had constructed a pyramid around the futon Mark body was lying on for the session and we had added a number of special features to test that potential. What we learn is that each pyramid is like a virtual computer that can be accessed once aligned properly and its password determined from when it was built. First we cover the Sumerians Ziggurats as being poor copies of the original and then to the future and another poor copy that had been tried by the Japanese and failed within sight of the original. As a visual aid, Korton has me clear my mind to help him try to discern the password of the computer around the futon as we had no idea such a thing was even needed when it was created. He retrieves a password from my mind close enough to get the pyramid humming which shocked Korton and myself enough to halt any further experimentation for now. It also gave us the groundwork to start thinking about accessing other pyramids we know about and even the great pyramid itself. He provides some valuable suggestions in case we ever grew confident enough to attempt such a feat. He wraps up a promising to review the energies of a new guest we were hoping to join our group. Kiri then jumps on as ring mistress to talk a little about her dad and the difference of migrating to him on this planet instead of when I meet him on Sirius. She gets us to Tia who lets us know she had been greeting some new additions to the base who were on their way there for stationing. Karra would take on that duty when she became ambassador later on but for now it was Tia helping with apartment assignments. She isn't on long before Omal joins us to wrap up the channeling session. Both Mark and myself understood that working with Ashtar Command came with some monitoring even when there wasn't a channeling session. That was how Omal was aware I had been severely out of sorts with Karra on Sirius without her in my head while there. I had gotten so used to her presence that the lack of it was causing me to be irritable and out of sorts. His advice during the session to think of how Karra would handle something has been my credo ever since. We discover a lot about the original of the Greek gods and a lot about the motivations that drove the colonist of Sirius to set out for earth to their eventual home on Atlantis. The topic changes to spiritual influences and how the message of 12 disciples turned into hundreds of religions 2000 years later. His point being that belief can start small but grow with time. We end things with his ideas for how I could approach people from a more open perspective. A great session that filled a lot of holes in our knowledge that we had only parts of in the archive.

In love, light, and wisdom as one,
Russ and Karra

KIRI- Ring Mistress MARK CROCKER (Channel)


1.)(0:00)- Kiri suggests using thought forms when using coercion but cannot establish eye contact. Another suggestion she has is regarding the experiment we had started regarding ants on two dimensions.
2.)(2:33)- Omal has a two-person meta-concert designed especially for us and gives us a live demonstration using Kiri as the second person. It works in warming our room here on Earth from Mars.
3.)(28:01)-  Kiri and Karra's father, Tanaka channels for the first time in 150 years. He reveals he was once the father of Mark and I when we were brothers in Atlantis. We also learn from him Alana's full name.

1.)(0:00)-  Korton explains how pyramids have passwords that allow the user to access its higher functions. We are able to get enough of a password to a pyramid around Mark's body to get it humming.
2.)(17:20)- Tia gives me a personal message from Karra who is on Sirius and that the new recreation area built has received two feet of snow. We planned a how-to astral travel tape that would be for beginners.
3.)(21:25)- Omal wraps up the channeling session helping me deal with Karra not being in my head while on Sirius. We discuss the colonization of Sirius and why Sananda came down here as Jesus Christ.
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(Kiri gets the session started as the night's ring mistress)

Kiri: okay, let's get down to business.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: do you have any questions for me?

Russ: yes, as a matter fact.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: okay. All right, I was trying coercion this evening without eye contact but wasn't having any success whatsoever. Now is there any other techniques doing it without eye contact we can talk about?

Kiri: there is thought forms.

Russ: oh, so it's the extra energy that.....

Kiri: yeah, the extra energy that gives it its oomph.

Russ: okay. Now if their minds are turned to something else and their minds are absorbed with what they're doing, wouldn't it be a little tough even with eye contact to get through?

Kiri: well it depends on your wattage as it were. If you have a strong coercive capability then you shouldn't see much of a problem.

Russ: now theoretically then, working with your ants up there will help me working with my ants down here.

Kiri: that's right. I'll kill it, where is it?

Russ: I put it there.

Kiri: oh.

(The tape shuts off and then turns on again)

Kiri: okay, let us continue. Uh-huh?

Russ: all right. Okay, so we're on ants.

Kiri: oh yes, ants.

Russ: okay, so they're very sensitive to charges that they come in contact with.

Kiri: that's right, okay?

Russ: so all you do is direct your thoughts to their antenna.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it's not like you actually need to be having eye contact.

Kiri: no, it would be a lot easier. We want to make it as easy as possible, okay?

Russ: okay. Thank you darling, that's all I've got for now.

Kiri: as I'm ring mistress, I will be taking care of things. Okay, I will hand over to the next person.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that's better, okay. I'll be back but, for the moment, I'm out of here.

Russ: okay.

(Omal goes into professor mode)

Omal: greetings Russ, how are we functioning?

Russ: wonderful, thanks.

Omal: okay. Now then, I'm going to sound boring, dull, and tedious for a little while and I shall return back to the light entertainment.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, now, Wizard rig is currently on ice. We have other projects to work on.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay now, primary topic of tonight's discussion, which is?

Russ: this would be on what we discussed last week.

Omal: yes, which is?

Russ: oh, we're not going to go on the history report tonight?

Omal: not tonight.

Russ: okay, so this is the other part we were talking about.

Omal: yes. If you remember, we said there were a few things....

Russ: right.

Omal: it's a clue. It is music, it is a type of what you are planning to go to.

Russ: Shakespeare?

Omal: no.

Russ: Grateful Dead concert?

Omal: what's the last part?

Russ: concert?

Omal: yes.

Russ: concert.

Mark: what would Kiri say at this point? The attention span of a gnat? Or an ant?

Russ: gnat, you got it right the first time.

Omal: sorry, we are teasing you. Okay, come on, you got the last part. What is that game that you play where you guess the word? Charades?

Russ: yeah, charades, right.

Omal: okay.

Russ: a meta-concert.

Omal: that's right. Okay, meta-concerts. Now, a simplified form that I have been working on works with two people with the framework for necessary expansion. Now there are four parts to the meta-concert program which means that the two individuals using the meta-concert program must take on two functions each. The functions are the executive, primary, conductor and secondary. Let's start off with the executive. The executive is the person that has the control of the meta-concert. If it is a shielding meta-concert or a psychokinesis meta-concert or a manifestation meta-concert, it doesn't matter which but, the person that has the executive mode has total control over the meta-concert. It is also recommended that the person has the executive mode also takes the primary mode.

Russ: so that's the one that's actually doing the key part there.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay, what's the primary mode?

Omal: the primary mode is collecting the energy and feeding, it wouldn't work that way. Okay, the primary mode would have to go with the secondary mode. The conductor......okay, let's look primary mode. Hold on, I'm trying to go from memory when I was making this available. Okay, the primary mode is for the supplying of energy to the conductor. I'll explain the conductor in a minute. He collects the energy and funnels it to the conductor. The conductor is not a conductor as in an orchestra but more in the lines of an electrical conductor. If there is a problem with the executive, the conductor will disconnect the link so that there is no flash damage. In other words, the conductor will cash in and the executive will cash in but the rest will be protected. It also works the other way. When if there is too much energy, the person with the conductor mode will save everybody else by cashing in but that is in a large meta-concert.

Russ: ahh.

Omal: okay, the secondary level is pure energy. Focusing on passing the energy to the primary, it is that simple. So we suggest, when you are having the executive is also the conductor, and the primary person is also the secondary person, the executive person does not have to be that talented capability wise. All he should know is how to focus and channel the energy in whatever way he wants to. The conductor is a little bit more specialized. Being able to to monitor the fluctuation in energy and to keep a nice, even flow. The primary will collect the energy from the secondary though. That is why the secondary and the primary should work together and pass it on through the conductor. The secondary just collects the energy. Now, when you expand, you farm out each part but the most important part, if you have three people, is the conductor because he will save either the executive or the primary. That is their function is to regulate energy flowing backwards and forwards between the various parts but you can do away with the conductor. But it is not recommended as it is his function to protect the other parts of the concert. When you have four people, you would farm out the secondary and the primary. Preferably the primary going to somebody that has plenty of energy but no particular talent as it were. When you expand to five, you need a second person for the secondary. Six, again, another person for the secondary. When you reach seven, you would put one person into the primary so you would have two, three. Two primary, three secondary and so on. You would always keep one more person in the secondary than in the primary. Now, meta-concerts varies with the different capabilities. If you were using manifestation, then it is handy to have somebody in the executive mode that knows about manifestation. And again the same in the shielding mode. In the psychokinesis mode, it is not so much somebody that has a little bit of knowledge although that is useful, it is somebody that can handle the kind of powers that is generated when you're using psychokinesis. It can also be used in a farsighting method but that is a totally different structure and I haven't gotten down to working on the finer points yet. Do you have questions?

Russ: yes.

Omal: okay, proceed.

Russ: what's the use then could be if we added crystals at some time?

Omal: as an energy source, a focusing point.

Russ: so when you're working with two, would it be wise to use an energy crystal.......

Omal: yes.

Russ: good, to augment your supply?

Omal: yes, that will be used by somebody, the person working within the primary and secondary mode.

Russ: okay. And so can you then give me a rundown then of steps as from start to finish?

Omal: yes. Okay now, the way that you would set up a meta-concert, and this is a teaching program for the beginning, for the beginner. Right, first of all, you vocalize each step of the meta-concert. For example, let me see, "I will take the executive mode". You would have somebody in.......I would you wish me to do it with two people or more?

Russ: let's start with two people and pretend it's two people up there I can listen to.

Omal: okay. In fact, hold on one second.

(Russ starts laughing as Kiri has unique body movements)

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay, right, back to Omal.

Omal: question, why did I pick Kiri?

Russ: because she has more energy than anybody else in the room right now.

Omal: yes, apart in one of our guests.

Russ: ahh, okay.

Omal: which may not quite match up, it is pretty close.

Russ: all right.

Omal: okay, now then, this is going to sound a little confusing as she is kind of lying on me with her head just below my chin.

Russ: okay.

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, now, "I take the executive and conductor"

Kiri: "I take the primary and secondary".

Omal: okay, here we go. Right, "okay, conductor to primary, collect energy".

Kiri: "collecting energy, got tons of it".

Omal: "okay, now start to channel the energy through. Give me a countdown to when you're ready".

Kiri: "three, two, one, energy sending".

Omal: "okay, conductor to executive, energy being supplied to you, five, four, three, two, one, executive receiving energy. Received. Conductor to secondary".

Kiri: "secondary phasing in to primary, five, four, three, one. Secondary to primary, energy being supplied. Primary to secondary, energy being supplied. Primary to conductor, energy coming from secondary and primary. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one".

Omal: "conductor receiving energy, passing to executive. Executive ready. Five, four, three, two, one, executive manifesting......heat". Then you go on with the rest the program.

Russ: very good.

(Russ claps)

Russ: very impressive, very impressive.

Kiri: thank you.

Omal: now, the reason why.......thank you Kiri.......the reason why she counted to ten from the secondary is.........or was it primary?

Russ: secondary to primary.

Omal: yeah, secondary to primary, is to give the primary time to marshal the energy before it can be passed on to the conductor.

Russ: okay, why is there the energy being sent first from the primary to the conductor before you start sending from the secondary to the primary?

Omal: because you phase it in gradually. You up the amperage so that the conductor doesn't get a sudden energy surge.

Russ: oh, I see.

Omal: you see, it is a safety mechanism. The primary cuts in, passes the energy to the conductor and he passes it through to the executive. Now the executive can call for more energy, that is why the secondary will phase in. Sometimes it is automatic to phase it in. You cannot phase in the secondary, primary all at one time because the energy being passed through the conductor would damage the conductor.

Russ: is there points where you don't need to phase the secondary in?

Omal: if it is on low level, the secondary becomes redundant.

Russ: because the primary is supplying enough energy.

Omal: yes. However, there is a catch. In certain situations, developments in your capability will mean that a secondary and primary will be combined into just the straightforward primary, the energy will be supplied full power from the primary and secondary straightaway. This can also be used in emergency situations.

Russ: okay. Now, with the secondary phasing in power to the primary and they're both the same person, how does that work with the person doing primary and secondary. In other words, primary starts sending in energy.

Omal: that is energy that you call in from around you. For example, what Kiri would do as the primary is she would use her natural energy and then she would pull in secondary energy from all around.

Russ: ohh, I get it, I get it. So that her personal energy would be enough to start the flow going to the conductor who sends it to the executive.

Omal: correct.

Russ: then the secondary energy picks up everything else, that's why the crystals come in.

Omal: that's right.

Russ: because the secondary then pulls in energies from the crystals.......

Omal: yes. When we ran it up here in vocalizing it, Kiri just counted through as the secondary. She didn't supply any backup energy.

Russ: right, she's just a mockup.

Omal: yes, but there was actual energy supplied from the primary.

Russ: I get it.

Omal: how does it feel down there?

Russ: nice and toasty.

Omal: good example, huh?

Russ: okay, I see then. Now the executive then has the most important part.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: is the visualization of what is to be done.

Omal: there is a slight problem here. When you do the executive, you visualize briefly, select the target and then it becomes the matching colors.

Russ: matching colors?

Omal: yes, this is when you are using a vast quantity of energy which you won't reach just yet. when we come to that point we will cover it.

Russ: I don't understand the colors.

Omal: it depends what on what function you're using. For example, if you're using a manifestation. For example fire and you wanted to create fire straightaway at a very tight beam, you wouldn't visualize fire because you would get a flash back which would damage the executive and probably harm the conductor which would save everybody else in the orchestra as it were.

Russ: oh, I see.

Omal: so what you do is you would visualize the colors of the fire, not the fire itself. You would visualize a center of bright red and fading all the way to white on the outside. No, it's the opposite way around. Bright white in the center fading to pale red on the outside.

Russ: and then when you finally have the energy coming in....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you send it to those colors?

Omal: yes. Well you send it to the brightest part, the white.

Russ: which has already been visualized....

Omal: yes.

Russ: so you know where to go.

Omal: it is just a brief, very brief visualization.

Russ: so it's almost a thought form?

Omal: correct.

Russ: but it's not quite because it doesn't come into reality until you supply the energy.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so it's just a semi-thought form.

Omal: you could call it a full form I suppose.

Russ: okay. Now, is there an elemental that deals with this or do elementals and thought forms.....

Omal: no, this is just your raw power supply generated from the mind and any other power sources you can use.

Russ: I see, okay. Now what we're talking about here is quite a jump up as far as organized energy.

Omal: yes, this is......once you have mastered it, this is where you would head to for something like the meta-concert I just described.

Russ: right. Okay now, say I'm working as a primary secondary.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, I'm pulling in energy. Now then, the energy I'm pulling in is the same kind that I'll be using down here when I'm using say like coercion or something.

Omal: yes. It is your raw energy, the energy that keeps all functions functioning.

Russ: ahh. Now at one point, I'm going to start to drain.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: now that's when the secondary kicks in, there's no drainage because you're pulling in energy from around you.

Omal: correct. However, there is only so much energy that you on the primary can supply.

Russ: okay right. So that's why you're just establishing.....

Omal: yes, but once your primary burns out, then your secondary becomes the primary and you act like a conduit or you could drop out totally leaving the secondary just to supply energy passing it directly through to the conductor.

Russ: okay, now how long once the executive got the energy from the conductor.....

Omal: how long can he hold it?

Russ: how long can he hold it and how long would he need to hold it?

Omal: it is best to use it straightaway.

Russ: okay. I mean, once he starts using it, he just keeps using it until he gets results then?

Omal: yes, but on a large meta-concert, it would be almost instantaneous.

Russ: okay, now with the......let's say you're doing far hailing.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? And the executive visualizes the person to be hailed.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? Sends out the energy. Primary sends up to the conductor who sends it to the executive......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: at that point, the secondary kicks it to the primary who sends it to the conductor who sends it to the executive and the executive then holds the vision, the visualization of the person.

Omal: correct.

Russ: and does he then let's say form a energy lead to that person?

Omal: correct. That is where it would work on the far hail.

Russ: okay, so then that person then would certainly go. "wh..what".

Omal: "what the heck is going on". Okay.

Russ: perfect. Great, now for practice on this.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: what's the best way to start on this?

Omal: what do you wish to work on?

Russ: let's start with the far hailing.

Omal: and who would you wish to far hail?

Russ: that girl.

Omal: okay, that would be...

Russ: Beth.

Omal: yes, Kiri was whispering in my ear.

(Russ starts chuckling at that)

Omal: you embarrassed her slightly.

Russ: oh good. She embarrasses me every night sometimes when we do these.

Omal: well.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay.

Russ: now then, so we're practicing on that. I'll be practicing in the meantime let's say working the primary and secondary. So that means I should start practicing on.....

Omal: collecting energy.

Russ: collecting and sending.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay. So for now, I'll start practicing it to like a crystal or something?

Omal: yes.

Russ: treating it sort of like a conductor.

Omal: correct. Presumably you wish to be the primary and secondary.

Russ: so far, Mark has better visualization down.

Omal: okay, but it may be necessary for you to learn the executive and conductor as well.

Russ: all right. Okay, so how would I practice that?

Omal: you could practice both taking turns.

Russ: I see.

Omal: be best to discuss it with Mark when he returns. Okay.

Russ: all right. Yeah, anything further than that, we'll work on in future sessions....

Omal: okay.

Russ: it's good for the basics.

Omal: I will hand back to Kiri.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay? And I will possibly come back in a few minutes.

Russ: thank you.

Omal: okay.

(Kiri drops back in to pass on to a very special guest speaker)

Kiri: hmmm.

Russ: hmmm.

Kiri: oh well. Well, I'm just going to be in briefly. Got to get everything ready for the guest channeler and, you're in for a surprise.

Russ: it's not Taal.

Kiri: no. Okay, we'll begin. I'm going to hand over to the surprise person.

Russ: okay.

(Tanaka channels for the first time in a century and a half)

Tanaka: it is a long time since I have channeled, a long time.

Russ: this isn't Ashtar?

Tanaka: no. You were expecting Ashtar?

Russ: well, sometime he'll surprise us rarely.

Tanaka: I am visiting my daughters.

Russ: NO WAY!!!!!

Tanaka: yes.

Russ: Tanaka.

Tanaka: greetings.

Russ: greetings and very special greetings.

Tanaka: yes.

Russ: I'm glad you could join us.

Tanaka: you will not I trust fall to sleep on me?

(Russ laughs in surprise from the memory of my last astral trip to visit him)

Russ: not this time, no. You've got me for the whole time.

Tanaka: yes.

Russ: this is indeed a pleasure, great.

Tanaka: I am honored to be here.

Russ: I'm honored to have you with us.

Tanaka: I'm only staying two days.

Russ: oh, good. Well I come up and see you.

Tanaka: that's correct.

Russ: I see.

Tanaka: I had to check with my wayward, mischievous daughter who tries so hard to be proper.

(Russ has been laughing through this)

Tanaka: as you know, I am recently ascended.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tanaka: hold on please.

Russ: okay.

Tanaka: yes, I can tell you this. In past lives, I have been father to you and the channeler, Mark, before. I was father to Maxxus and Naxxus and also I once was the father of the channeler and tried to help me.

Russ: oh, to save you when you got a sword cut.

Tanaka: yes, so you could say my other name is Sunam.

Russ: yes, it would be.

Tanaka: yes.

Russ: this is a pleasure, thank you. But thank you for those past lives.

Tanaka: as I am ascended, maybe again sometime.

Russ: I look forward to it also but for now, is a pleasure to have you back up.

Tanaka: yes. I am visiting with my granddaughter to see my grandson.

Russ: all right.

Tanaka: both my grandsons. Nazreal and little Alexander and my granddaughter, Klarra....

Russ: yes.

Tanaka: and one day my grandsons.

Russ: yes, but so far things are going well and it's a little too bad I haven't been able to stay up there longer when I have been up there.

Tanaka: well I will return back to Karra's where I shall put on some tea.

Russ: excellent.

Tanaka: my mischievous, wayward daughter who is shaking her head but she plays the proper lady so much. I am aware she is surprised that I know her true self. I know she likes women or the men.

Russ: oh, you met her girlfriend?

Tanaka: yes.

Russ: ahh.

Tanaka: but she was not introduced as girlfriend.

Russ: oh.

Tanaka: I will now go to see my grandson who I believe is with the channeler.

Russ: oh, excellent.

Tanaka: so, for myself, it is an honor and a pleasure to talk to you.

Russ: it's an honor and a pleasure also I will see you shortly.

Tanaka: yes. I will take my granddaughter Tia Studley Alana, that is her full name...

Russ: okay.

Tanaka: with me.

Russ: excellent.

Tanaka: she wants to spend time with her grandfather. My great-granddaughter. Farewell Russell.

Russ: farewell, see you soon.

Tanaka: we will meet above your head.

Russ: it's a deal.

(Kiri returns to get us to the next side)

Russ: surprise.

Kiri: for years I tried to be Miss perfect and he knew, he knew......

(Russ finds that pretty funny)

Russ: I didn't say a word.

Kiri: were you broadcasting?

Russ: no, I didn't say a word.

Kiri: oh well.

Russ: was this a surprise for everybody there?

Kiri: no, we knew.

Russ: oh, before he got here that he was coming?

Kiri: no, I asked him to come.

Russ: oh. Excellent, excellent.

Kiri: he did a good job on translating, what was the name? I can't...

Russ: Tia Studley....

Kiri: Tia Studley Alana?

Russ: Alana.

Kiri: Alana.

Russ: Alana.

Kiri: that's her, I can't figure out how he translated it from Sirian.

Russ: he's good.

Kiri: hmm. I didn't know that little bit of information though.

Russ: I didn't know about it either.

Kiri: so you could say it's incest.

Russ: (laughing) yeah you could.

Kiri: well brother.

Russ: (still laughing) well sister.

Kiri: okay, let us continue.

Russ: all right.

Kiri: have you turned the tape over?

Russ: no, it's still going. It's still going no, it's almost out though.

Kiri: I was about to say, time seems to be going faster than the tape. Has it run out?

Russ: it's 45 minutes.

Kiri: hmm. Oh well, I better do my ring mistress thing.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: that only leaves one person left to channel.

Russ: oh good. Only Korton?

Kiri: only Korton.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: Omal said he might be back but he's got other things.

Russ: excellent.

(We exchange raspberries before the tape runs out)





(Korton gets side two started)

Korton: greetings and felicitations Russ.

Russ: greetings Korton.

 Korton: and how are we functioning?

Russ: pretty good tonight. Nice surprise that was.

Korton: yes it was, we thought you might enjoy it. We were a little bit unsure whether or not to let him channel. It's been approximately a hundred and fifty years, your years since he channeled last?

Russ: he was awesome at it.

Korton: well, it's the old reflexes.

Russ: no kidding, that worked out well.

Korton: okay, let us proceed. I understand my colleague is going to do a basic meta-concert program with capabilities to enlarge it.

Russ: yes indeed.

Korton: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: okay. Now, what point do you want to proceed on tonight, is it open discussion?

Korton: yes it is.

Russ: okay.

Korton: we've covered all the important issues for the time being.

Russ: all right, I was going to ask Omal a while ago about a few things about history but you might have some answers for me.

Korton: okay.

Russ: I'll try couple of them.

Korton: okay, I will try. Unfortunately I do not have my assistant with me as she is otherwise engaged.

Russ: these are real easy ones.

Korton: okay.

Russ: okay. This goes back to Maxxus and where after the pyramid was built, we saw a period of time pass, thousands of years before we saw civilization come into that area again. Now, at that point, we see the Sumerians coming in and they're building these z
iggurats. Was this sort of a trying to copy the pyramid?

Korton: basically yes. It was more of seeing this object and then trying to fathom out its function. Becoming aware of things by trying to reason its function.

Russ: now they couldn't get into it.

Korton: no.

Russ: so all they could see was the fact that they've got a big mystery on their hands.

Korton: correct.

Russ: obviously they didn't accomplish what they were setting out to do.

Korton: no.

Russ: but at the same time, were they working with crystals at all?

Korton: I don't think so. That sounds unusual for me, doesn't it? But I don't think so. I'm not sure, I would have to look into this. As I said, unfortunately I don't have my assistant.

Russ: right. It's just that seeing these
Ziggurats, I mean historians nowadays see it as these Sumerian ziggurats being built before the great pyramid. I guess they see it as the great pyramid being a copy.....

Korton: a copy.

Russ: of these things.

Korton: yes.

Russ: but when you look at the mathematics of it, it doesn't make sense.

Korton: correct.

Russ: because it's actually something way before anybody's time. It's probably before our time now. We couldn't reproduce something of that scale and that precision right now.

Korton: no. There was an attempt made recently to create something similar just to see how it was done. It caused considerable problems for the engineers that were working on it but the methods that they tried did not work.

Russ: what? You mean they had computers, they had high technology and ground moving equipment and stuff?

Korton: it did not work properly.

Russ: it was still aligned right and everything?

Korton: it was aligned correctly but it just didn't work. It was built within view of the great pyramid.

Russ: oh.

Korton: I believe a group of Japanese?

Russ: Japanese did it?

Korton: yes. And it was aligned correctly but the methods that they used did not work properly. Even with your current technology, it did not function correctly.

Russ: doesn't that say something then?

Korton: yes it does.

Russ: right, so at that point, you're seeing that there's more things about this than even....

Korton: correct.

Russ: we have even discovered to date.

Korton: right.

Russ: okay. Now, I tried to figure out how getting some stuff from the pyramid but as yet I didn't spend enough time getting to it.

Korton: okay.

Russ: can you tell me one thing is whether or not it's an emptying of all thought or is it directed thought?

Korton: it depends on how you access it.

Russ: there's a couple ways to do that in other words?

Korton: yes, there is selective access, which is a clue in itself there and then there is just access in general.

Russ: oh I see, it depends on whether you wanted to get specific about it.

Korton: after all, I am a communicator.

Russ: I have trouble with that. And I am too, I should be like better at that.

Korton: correct. That goes back to a discussion a couple weeks ago.....

Russ: correct.

Korton: about the necessary function of a communicator is to speak crisply and clearly. That is why we correct you. We do not correct you because mispronunciation irritates us, it is because as a communicator, it is necessary to communicate correctly for myself and yourself.

Russ: well I appreciate your corrections, I take them to heart.

Korton: it is necessary sometimes to use humor and when a moment becomes necessary then humor is used.

Russ: I noticed Omal had troubles keeping a straight face in the meta-concert practice.

Korton: I'm afraid I missed that.

Russ: it was pretty good. Okay, so we're looking then back to the pyramids again......

Korton: yes.

Russ: that we have something that has not been re-created and, as far as we know, has been created only a few times in the history of the earth.

Korton: correct.

Russ: okay. Now then, once you have access to the pyramids and you have gained access to at least this one here, can you selectively select different pyramids that are in working order?

Korton: yes, but what you have to do is you have to unaccess yourself from one computer. Almost get up, leave the pyramid, and wait a period of time not less than ten minutes. Return back to the pyramid, access the pyramid you're working from and then in turn access another pyramid. Of course you have to figure out the keycode to access both pyramids.

Russ: keycode?

Korton: yes, there is a keycode that will access your pyramid and then when you connect as it were modem-like?

Russ: right.

Korton: to another pyramid, you have to access that one's code, a password is what I was looking for. A password to enter the system of the other computer.

Russ: and this is a password that has been lost for some 20,000 years?

Korton: hmm, possibly but some of them are quite simple.

Russ: now say for example this pyramid here would be built with a password?

Korton: yes.

Russ: it does? We built it.

Korton: then you know the password.

Russ: not a clue in the world.

Korton: think of something. Clear your mind. Clear your mind, totally. Now, what is the first word that comes to your mind?

Russ: Rose.

Korton: again, clear your mind again. What is the first word that comes into your mind?

Russ: rock?

Korton: okay, try again. And this is how you would access the master computer. It is something quite simple but you're following the wrong lines.

Russ: I see what you mean, it's the first word that comes in might be wrong for a number of times to find the right ones then.

Korton: yes, but you're also is something that would be easy to remember by you and the channeler. It might be something like.....I don't know what it is.....I'm being careful whether or not I access it. It could be something as simple as, hey. Or it could be.......

Russ: Tia?

Korton: no, pyragram? Ohhh that's close, that's close.

Russ: we'll just hold off on that.

Korton: okay. Yes, but you see what I'm saying.

Russ: right, I see exactly what you're saying.

Korton: oh, that is very close. It is already humming slightly but you get the idea.

Russ: yeah.

Korton: and you now have a point to work from. It is either the first part or the latter part.

Russ: right. Okay, so from there, you can work on accessing this once you get that access......

Korton: yes.

Russ: you can start having the groundwork of figuring out something on a bigger scale such as the great pyramid.

Korton: correct.

Russ: now that would entail more, more more.

Korton: correct. We suggest that when you do access the great pyramid is that you have a reverse meta-concert. You would send in the executive and he would collect the information and be passed back through the conductor back down through.

Russ: okay, now, what happens when you start to get overloaded?

Korton: hmmm..........

Russ: channel the energy somewhere else?

Korton: yes, basically.

Russ: maybe into a crystal or something?

Korton: crystal possibly or you could just shut it down. That is the function I believe of the conductor, is that correct?

Russ: right. I mean, what if you're like over massing on this one here?

Korton: you would have a number of crystals.

Russ: various sizes?

Korton: yes, such as this one.

Russ: I see. Go ahead and send it into this one.

Korton: yes and this one. But when you access a computer, you don't have this one around because it will crash the program in this one.

Russ: oh.

Korton: it is like putting a disk next to a magnet?

Russ: right, clears it out, I see.

Korton: you would have to start all over again with this has its capacity limits.

Russ: ahh. Now working with the great pyramid let's say, is that almost like a farsighting type of thing?

Korton: yes.

Russ: now since Maxxus built it, Mark would be the best bet for being the executive conductor.

Korton: yes probably. You may want a few other people around as receivers for the energy because.......

Russ:  oh really? It's not a two-person deal.

Korton: no, most certainly not. Somebody that can handle or somebodies that can handle a lot of energy.

Russ: okay. If you could, if this regression goes through as planned tomorrow....

Korton: uh-huh.

Russ: if you could monitor the girl coming in....

Korton: see what energy she has.

Russ: right. And if she would be a person that might be able to deal with energies like these?

Korton: certainly, certainly. Now, do you have more questions?

Russ: that's it.

Korton: okay.

Russ: I've got enough to work on for years.

Korton: just imagine when you will have many lifetimes of energy.

Russ: okay, whew. Well.....

Korton: many lifetimes of information. I'm sorry, I must correct myself.

 Russ: that's all right but it will definitely be something to work for.

Korton: okay.

Russ: thank you Korton.

Korton: you're welcome. Have an enjoyable evening, it is a pleasure as always to talk to you.

Russ: and me as well.

(Kiri returns to transition between speakers)

Russ: hi darling. What are you laughing about?

Kiri: I can't help it.

Russ: I do enjoy you coming in though.

Kiri: you do? Yo.

Russ: this would not be a happening session without you here at least once.

Kiri: well, maybe one day you have to do without me briefly, again.

Russ: right, we'll deal with that when the time comes.

Kiri: yeah. But I'm in no hurry. I'm happy with a.......okay. Right, okay, I better go.

Russ: right. I'll be up to see Karra's dad, my.....

Kiri: my dad too, my father.

Russ: that makes him my stepfather sort of?

Kiri: no, father-in-law?

Russ: father-in-law, right.

Kiri: he's no outlaw.

(Russ breaks out in laughter)

Kiri: okay.

Russ: alright darling.

Kiri: I think he would just prefer it if you call him Tanaka.

Russ: I do too.

Kiri: not Mr. Tanaka.

Russ: or Tanaka san, not bow to him.

Kiri: why did you bow to him?

Russ: well, it's kind of instinctive actually. I mean when I got up there to see him on Sirius I don't bow, you know it's just, "hi, how you doing?"

Kiri: it's probably why he said it wasn't necessary to bow.

Russ: well yeah. Well I forgot, you had monitors on, you could see everything down here.

Kiri: yeah uh-huh. Oh, dear, dear, dear, dear. I'm getting control of more resources on the body. Smell, touch.....

Russ: pretty soon it won't such a waste of time with Bethany coming over.

Kiri: you going to try to hail her?

Russ: far hailing, yeah. Good practice.

Kiri: okay, right. I've got things on my mind, I've got to go and talk to my father, talk to........

Russ: have fun Miss primary secondary.

Kiri: okay. I'll see you later.

Russ: okay love.

Kiri: I'm out.

(Tia now joins the channeling session

Tia: live, centerstage, Tia and the amazing Cubs.

Russ: did they get their presents?

Tia: they love their presents. Now first of all down to business, I have a little message here.

Russ: oh.

Tia: it is, "when you have the time and energy, come out and see me. I'm at home and I will be free on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Unfortunately, I have a function Wednesday evening of your time so I will not be available. Hugs, kisses, Karra. I've got a message for Deanna too, and that is thank you for your help and assistance. It's helping with his healing. Is she asleep or....

Russ: she's asleep.

Tia: oh, I was going to go down and thank her in person. I think I might do that. Okay, I'm going to go down to see her in person.

Russ: I'll be here.

Tia: uh-huh, back live.

Russ: so what else is going on here?

Tia: oh nothing much, I've got some new arrivals coming in on your Friday.

Russ: oh that's right.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and have you talked to them yet?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: looking forward to it?

Tia: uh-huh. I talked to them on a communicator, it's a delayed recording unfortunately. I introduced myself, I introduced my charming Cubs and we had to do four tapes before we got a good one. Yes?

Russ: Tia and her Cubs, take three.

Tia: it would've been more if I hadn't turned around and threatened Minerva within an inch of her tail. That's about it apart from we have in the new recreational park two feet of snow.

Russ: excellent.

Tia: and more as we talk. Astral travel. Next Tuesday, we will do a recording.

Russ: oh yes, on astral travel?

Tia: that's right, a how-to for beginners.

Russ: so will get a separate tape for that.

Tia: yeah, uh-huh. Just a short thirty minute one.

Was: okay.

Tia: okay? Uh-huh.

Russ: all right dear sounds good.

Tia: and I do have next week's schedule of speakers as well.

Russ: we'll just leave it as a nice surprise.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay darling, we have a lot of tape to work with. Plenty of time.

Tia: oh, plenty of time to kill. Uh-huh, where's my stun gun? I'll stun it. "No, no, no, it's not stunned, it's resting". Hmmm? That tickled. Okay, see you in a while.

Russ: alright darling, see you shortly.

(Omal gets us to the end of the tape with a bit of therapy)

Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ, how you functioning?

Russ: not quite myself.

Omal: we understand partly why but there is a little more to your current dilemma then you are telling everybody. Lack of sleep being one.

Russ: that's probably a lot of it, yeah. I have to work out ways to get more.

Omal: correct. And the fact that you're not whole right at the moment unfortunately.

Russ: that shouldn't help matters.

Omal: but this is part of the learning process.

Russ: I get it for a while and I don't got it anymore, it's like a drug sometimes.

Omal: yes, you need her......

Russ: I feel altered.

Omal: yes, you need her in your mind to help you.

Russ: well yeah.

Omal: and vice a versa.

Russ: that's part of it.

Omal: but have you felt in the past two years since you've had her in your mind?

Russ: well I felt a lot of it in my thought processes, abilities and working with others, kinder and gentler kind of bearing.

Omal: and the thing to realize is that this is part of the learning process. To learn that without Karra, you can continue functioning and learning heading on your path onto a higher dimension. But it seems to me at present that without her you slip. You don't have anybody to say, " ahh, ahh, ahh, Russ, you're slipping. You shouldn't say that".

Russ: that's true.

Omal: that is why I am at present taking the role of Karra is that you have I believe five more days without Karra?

Russ: right.

Omal: and in that time, you have to realize that to continue your advancement, you would have to, how you would put it? Think like Karra to be able to stop making mistakes and irking people from time to time because you have, haven't you?

Russ: yeah, but even so, even with Karra, I suffer sometimes from a lack of sleep and stuff.

Omal: yes, it but is a lot less.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: so the thing is that when you feel that you're about to say something, think about it and think pleasant thoughts and then make a pleasant answer. If you can't do something, you tell them. But you tell them nicely along the lines of, "as much as I would try, as much as I would like, I cannot do it because I do not have enough time". Or, "I'm sorry that I'm a little bit abrupt, I have been short on sleep". I hate to sound like I'm reprimanding you....

Russ: no, no, no.

Omal: but it is if you carry on in this way you will slip. This is a warning. You can't afford to slip because you would throw the plans that Karra has for you back out of phase. So it is a matter of learning patience.

Russ: well, maybe you can explain a little bit about why she left, what she's doing, that kind of thing. It would help a lot.

Omal: one of the reasons that she left was for the fact that you have to understand that she is not a leaning aid for your growth. She is a tool to help you to grow. She is a great leader or has the ability to be a great leader and what she is doing is leading you from afar. She is saying that you have made a framework together, now is your time to see if you can use the framework. Maybe next year she may be gone for a week or a month. Remember what she said a while back, "how would you cope without me if I was gone for a long period of time?"

Russ: well I've worked on that and mentally I prepared myself for it but it's a whole other matter when it actually comes down to it.

Omal: and this is a test to see if you can do it. If not, she will work with you closer. One of the reasons that she had to go home was it has been a long time since she has been home. She has functions as being head of her clan on the female side that she has to attend to.

Russ: well one thing I have noticed is the fact is that up until the later part of the night I do real well. It's not until days gone on and I'm kind of dropping a bit and letting my defenses go.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and it's real tough maintaining more control.

Omal: what you should do is to step back briefly and think now what would Karra say? Now I could quite easily push one of your buttons and tell you where you're going wrong but that is for you to decide, to analyze when somebody pushes one of your buttons and we all have them. You analyze it, and find out why and remember, don't do that mistake again. Without Karra, you're also very fidgety.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: kind of on edge. Fortunately the silence isn't for much longer.

Russ: well I remember what happened when I gave up marijuana?

Omal: uh-huh, you're going to the same thing now.

Russ: yeah, you remember, I mean, what was it? A week?

Omal: yes, a week you were very fidgety.

Russ: fidgety, I was......

Omal: irritable.

Russ: irritable, I was on everybody's nerves.

Omal: and how do you feel now?

Russ: same way. No different but I mean there's nothing I can do about it. I mean there sometimes where you just have to work it through.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: you can't just expect miracles all of a sudden. I do the best I can and then it's like I give up. But that's the part of the learning process. I'm getting better each day but it's not going to happen.....

Omal: overnight.

Russ: in a few days.

Omal: no, but the key is to ask yourself, what would Karra do, what would Karra say and what would she say about your current predicament?

Russ: she would say, "I understand Russ".

(Russ starts to laugh)

Omal: no she would not. She would say, and Kiri is doing a very good impersonation, "Russ, snap out of it, you have to stand on your own two feet". And then she would probably give some medical explanation on what she means.

Russ: well I'll ween myself from Karra as we going along here in essence.

Omal: you have five days to practice.

Russ: that's not overnight though. By then the five days, I'm going to be a fine and wonderful person.

Omal: and it will be a pleasure and a party to have you back to normal.

Russ: absolutely. You just get used to something and you just can't give it up cold turkey right away.

Omal: those people that know of Karra will understand. All's you have to do is say, "Karra is not in my head at the moment, I am at a loss. I'm trying to adjust and she will be back in X number of days". Okay, now we got through the explanation on your current dilemma, let us proceed with your questions.

Russ: okay, going into back to history part two.

Omal: yes, okay.

Russ: okay. Now, some of the things that I wanted to get into were stuff that we studied last week.

Omal: because Korton is present.

Russ: because Korton is there. First off, a question I have concerning the Greeks is, we have a lot of information concerning the Greek gods and what each of the gods did, their various functions and what they stood for. Essentially, who came up with the Greek gods?

Omal: the Greeks themselves did, the various city states. And what they did was created ideas of what gods should be like. But because they thought that one God was in charge of one or two things, for example Minerva, she was the goddess of what?

Russ: goddess of the hunt, also the goddess of.......

Omal: knowledge. What was Athena the goddess of?

Russ: love.

Omal: no, that's Aphrodite.

Russ: oh yeah.

Omal: Athena was the goddess of warfare and wisdom. Very strange combination. Why such a strange combination?

Russ: because you learn lots of from warfare.

Omal: correct. You learn human nature.

Russ: so essentially, they saw in their gods what they wanted to see in themselves.

Omal: correct.

Russ: but because they were humans......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: they had numerous failings and the gods were above of all the failings.

Omal: and the gods were reflections of what once was. Being able to hurl lightning bolts, what does that sound like to you?

Russ: first off, it sounds like some high-technology.

Omal: or?

Russ: or manifestation.

Omal: yes. I was about to say, if you wish I can demonstrate a lightning bolt.

Russ: we better hold off on the lightning bolts tonight.

Omal: oh, okay.

Russ: we would catch it on tape.

Omal: yes you would as the tape exploded.

Russ: we'll hold off. Okay, so essentially and the gods grew.

Omal: yes.

Russ: now, one of things that Mark and I were discussing after that night, were some of the things that came about after Atlantis went down.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: okay. Now we came upon the theory that basically there was two rival groups on Sirius. You have.....

Omal: those that were about to ascend and those that were not.

Russ: right. And the colonists to Atlantis were those who were not ready and were not ready to accept the worst.

Omal: of course.

Russ: and basically they were running from anything connected with Atlantis.

Omal: no, they were running from anything connected with Sirius.

Russ: right, I mean after Atlantis went down. Because those that were ascending I assume came back to earth.....

Omal: to try to help, to fulfill their destiny.

Russ: and those Atlantean's didn't want that?

Omal: hmmm, the mindset that they had was still very third dimensional. It is a little bit like us helping you. If you go out and help your planet, some people laugh. Who are these strange individuals? Is it a person putting on strange voices? Those do not wish help, they disbelieve. It is their choice.

Russ: so essentially we had this all backwards.

Omal: pretty much so.

Russ: but Maxxus and Naxxus were essentially those who weren't going to ascend.

Omal: hmm, for some there was a point that was iffy, whether they would or they would not.

Russ: well due to the results of being on earth definitely swung it in one direction.

Omal: correct and only you can answer that. Was it good or bad?

Russ: looking back on it in hindsight, it takes more time to ascend but are the experiences worth it? I'd say so. You can go to school and you can either skip to a few grades and get higher up or you can stay with the rest of the class and learn at the pace that they are learning at.

Omal: but what if you find the pace you're leaning at too slow? That it is a waste of your time to be there. What then?

Russ: connections?

Omal: that is all you learn. But there is a much bigger school outside. To deal with the problem would be to go to a new area where there is more learning available, a higher class.

Russ: oh, I see.

Omal: a different plane. Whether you go there physically or spiritually. Again you are walking the line between will you or won't you. Both of you have slipped from time to time and then you crawl back up to where you were and then go further. This is part of the learning.

Russ: yeah.

Omal: depending on how far you slip depends on what will happen. So, the people that left Sirius were people in general that some may or may not be ready to ascend and those that were not ready to ascend.

Russ: what would happen to those who weren't ready or on the edge? If they had stayed on Sirius and not ascended they would've died, right?

Omal: correct, they would've been reborn elsewhere.

Russ: so it was a gamble for them to take.

Omal: yes.

Russ: that maybe they'd ascend but maybe they might not.

Omal: maybe if they stayed on Sirius they would've ascended?

Russ: right. Maybe a chance to start a new colony, a new life with new ideals and old ideals perfected. Was it that much of a temptation?

Omal: it is possible. It is possible that some of those people that were on the edge that went on colony trips ascended afterwards because the decision that they had made benefited more people and they had learned more. So it is really hard to say that those that were on the edge made the wrong or the right choice. Those that departed from Sirius on colonization trips that weren't ready made the right choice for them.

Russ: but what if Atlantis had worked?

Omal: if it had worked, then you would have a higher technology at present. You would not have had such a wide variety of learning experiences but there again the spiritual level would've been a lot higher.

Russ: would those people have ascended?

Omal: that is open for debate. The question is, would they have learned? Maybe they would of, maybe they wouldn't.

Russ: that's a good point.

Omal: it depends on how ready they are to accept themselves. Only one person knows if they are ready. In your case, you know if you're ready or not in your heart of hearts.

Russ: the decision ultimately is yours.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so.....

Omal: so the path is not a steady, straightforward path. You have walk a very rocky, bumpy, twisty, windy road. Not sure if you were smart you could get a poem out of that.

Russ: maybe some good song lyrics. Okay....

Omal: as I am neither a lyricist or a poet, I do not know.

Russ: all right, so what was happening then after Atlantis was they were trying to reestablish technology.....

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: that they had known. Then there was apparently then you see the building of Karnak and then the pyramid gets started. Apparently to keep an eye on the guys in the east. That would be the Assyrians coming back to check on things.

Omal: uh-huh. But the wording in itself is very ambiguous, the people in the East. Now, that could have several meanings. First of all, it could be the people on your planet that live in the East. Or, where does the dog star rise?

Russ: East?

Omal: correct.

Russ: I see.

Omal: what is another name for the dog star?

Russ: Sirius. Okay, well the thing that gets me is that ship that came in.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that Mark in that incarnation went ahead and got on....

Omal: and then blew it up.

Russ: and blew it up. But if those were people that were out for the better good, I'm having a hard time seeing that as being good.

Omal: how many years had elapsed since the fall of Atlantis and the departure from Sirius?

Russ: let's see, Atlantis went down in 14 thou......departure from Sirius about 100 thou.......about quite a few years.

Omal: so, what is the deduction from that?

Russ: well, I was assuming that Sirius had connections with Atlantis.

Omal: yes. But by the time of the great pyramid and Karnak and the arrival of the.....

Russ: about four thousand years, roughly.

Omal: Sirius was no longer in existence on a third dimensional level. There were other colonies and the factions that had left, there was more than one faction, but they were grouped together as a faction on those that would ascend in those that would not. But within each faction there were splinter factions. If you have a look at your planet today, at your religious faith, how many factions were there at the start when Sananda ascended?

Russ: well if you count the Christians.......

Omal: we're just counting Sananda's factions when he ascended.

Russ: you mean Jewish?

Omal: no.

Russ: oh.....

Omal: the 12 disciples.

Russ: oh, right. There was at least four.

Omal: no, there was one. When he ascended there was one group. A hundred years later, how many groups were there?

Russ: oh I see what you mean, ten.

Omal: two.

Russ: yeah, too.

Omal: Western Orthodox and Eastern orthodox. A thousand years later, how many?

Russ: it would still be the Eastern, the Western, the Roman Catholic....

Omal: that's Western.

Russ: that's Western, yeah. The....

Omal: Western, Eastern, Greek Orthodox and a little hybrid group that is start for another faction. In the year 1600, how many factions were there? I'll take a rough guess.

Russ: six.

Omal: zzzzz, there was that Jesuits, the Franciscans, the Protestants, the Catholics, the Greek Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox, that is seven just there. How many are there today?

Russ: hmmmm.

Omal: many.

Russ: many, yeah.

Omal: too many to count. From one group we have many. Probably close to a thousand.

Russ: what was so special about that one group, the first group, the twelve?

Omal: the twelve? They were in contact with the original founder of their religion. He was not a memory, he was not word-of-mouth, he was no longer a point of view he was a living, breathing individual. They were all present when he made his famous speeches. They were all present when he did his miracles.

Russ: but, he had hundreds of followers, why would just twelve volunteer? Why not twenty, thirty, seventy?

Omal: look around you, how may people in this house have been taught?

Russ: this house, you mean people who have come to this house?

Omal: yes.

Russ: twenty-five?

Omal: and out of those, how many are still around on a regular basis? Regular basis being more than eight times a year.

Russ: me and Skip. Carrie's not here anymore. Bethany not a whole lot.

Omal: uh-huh. And from that, how many people have been told about us?

Russ: probably a hundred.

Omal: correct. And out of those, how many have actually sat down and learned from it?

Russ: quite a few actually.

Omal: exactly. From three people, four if you count Mark. So, what effect does a small group have over a large group?

Russ: it spreads, it can be quite effective over time.

Omal: a large group, you have arguments on what what did he actually mean, what did he actually say? I wasn't listening, I was at the back of the room. The person next to me was talking. I turned away and didn't quite catch what he said, he was speaking too softly. He was speaking too loudly. With a small group, there is none of that.

Russ: yeah, but I mean for me, this is the biggest thing to hit earth since........

Omal: the invention of the wheel.

Russ: absolutely. And I mean people accept it and they say that's great and that's it.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: whereas I can't understand why they aren't just wanting to know more, more, more like I do?

Omal: now think about what you have just said. Think about human nature.

Russ: well that's what's so confusing about it. If Sananda in his day was saying and doing higher dimensional things all the time, that's what I mean, why only twelve, why's human nature I guess. What Sananda had to face, gotta be worse than what we do.

Omal: exactly. That is why a higher dimensional being did what he did. Remember, it is easy to stand up in front of an audience and say, "this is the way it is, this is the word". What is hard is to stand up and say, "this is the way it is and this is why". You can take somebody and have them stand up and say, "this is the way it is, blah, blah, blah, blah". And then somebody stands up and says, "this is the way it is, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is why it is this way. This is how we're going to achieve what we want to achieve, this is the price we pay". Anybody can stand up and say, "this is how it is". It takes patience, understanding, higher intelligence to say, "this is how, this is why, this is how we're going to achieve it, this is the price we pay".

Russ: well, one thing I am learning is that fifth dimensional beliefs and understanding is relatively easy. Fifth dimensional actions are way, way tough.

Omal: I believe Mark has a saying, that in war the hardest things are easy and the easiest things are hard.

Russ: I have the belief, I have the knowledge, the action should follow right along there.

Omal: but they don't, do they?

Russ: yeah, it should just be like it's right there, no problem. Just deal with it, and it's not.

Omal: and it doesn't. Now the question is, why? Because you have to adjust your thinking to help third dimensional individuals. You think in a fifth dimensional way but yet you live in a third dimensional planet. So, the way for advancement is to come up with a compromise where you do not look down on those that aren't ready. That you change your line of thought. Instead of going, "well, I can't help them". You try to help them and maybe you will affect them, maybe you won't. But, the trying is the medicine.

Russ: so the trying is the fifth dimensional actions....

Omal: exactly.

Russ: that have to be controlled.

Omal: correct. And not losing your patience or being exasperated or infuriated or exploding or having your buttons pushed by them.

Russ: okay, I'll try something tomorrow.......

Omal: okay.

Russ: with a gentleman at work at Heavenly who I have seen now for both days that I have been up there. Quiet sort of guy, almost angry and hostile inside. He only shows it in just the fact of his quietness. He doesn't say anything to anybody, he just stays by himself and doesn't want friends around or want to meet people. And me, I'm just avoiding the guy.

Omal: now the question is, if you go in there with both guns blaring, what could happen?

Russ: total rejection, basically........well, two things could happen. One, he could be totally put off by it, two, he could be open and.....

Omal: receptive.

Russ: receptive.

Omal: so, how should you go about it?

Russ: well subtly just say to start off with.

Omal: yes. Sort of like, "hi, how are you doing?" Reply, "fine, thank you". Leave it that. The following day again, "hi, how's it going?" "Fine, thank you". "How was your evening?" "None of your business". Fine, leave it alone. The following day, "how's it going?" "Fine, thank you". "How is your evening?" "Hmm, it was alright I suppose" and so on. So it is subtle, it is learning how to affect things slowly and gently.

Russ: hmm, I see.

Omal: next question please.

Russ: well, was Maxxus' other idea with the pyramid to hook up with the pyramid on Sirius?

Omal: sorry, we can't disclose that at this time.

Russ: now, what happened on June 5th, 12 noon, 8498 BC?


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