Birth of A Conference and A Daughter-

Channeled (05/29/97 )

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Archivist Notes: We here at the Hades Base News are big fans of synchronicity but even we have to step back in amazement when the past continually meets up with the present. Such is the case with Tia's dissertation on the events of 1997, both socially and politically, and how they mirror almost exactly the events of today. To say the coincidence is freaky would be an understatement but we're getting used to that when transcribing these randomly picked channeling sessions. It would be nice to say we chose this tape on purpose because it would help people relate to the current crisis but that has been done for us by the forces of fate. What has always been a question for me is why it took twenty years for everything to finally come together so these channeling sessions could be heard as well as read. Naturally, technology has played a major part of the problem as what is inexpensive now cost much more back then thanks to podcast sites. A better reason is that this session in particular could not have been posted at a better time. What is being said in Tia's dissertation is what we're seeing in the headlines and the streets of our very cities. Tia's synchronicity is just the start of what would be a night of firsts. One blemish on the recording is the last ten minutes where we receive a call from Carrie. While the sound quality is great up until then, for some reason Tia's voice gets distorted as it blows through the maximum range of the microphone. Since the other voices sound fine it seems to point to Tia being right on top on the mic during the call. Our sound technician did what he could but the distortion remains. To hear Carrie's joy is worth the annoyance and we apologize we did not recognize the problem at the time of taping. Now, onto the summary.

   Tia is full of good news as the channeling session starts with new stock market records being set and a downgrade in Defcon levels due to a president who was turning right. She continues the topic of that same president and the distraction facing him in the form of impeachment. It's when she gets into going over the various scenarios facing our future that it seems as though the future couldn't wait. Her description is straight out of the headlines leaving the listener wondering if they had entered a time warp in how close things match to the present. What we try to work out is what this means to the people most affected and a corresponding point in history is used of the invasion of Poland by the Nazis. It was after that they immediately started rounding up the Jews and the undesirables. Not the most cheerful part of the channeling though it is something that could happen in the future to those deemed different. Next is Omal who only has time to get us through to the end of the tape and brings with him some great news. A proposal Karra and myself conceived had been approved for a Conference between the various races who had dealings with our planet. It was an arrangement where all parties could hopefully find common ground on the policies affecting the human race where we would actually have a say in the conversation. The proposal had been debated for the last eight weeks and Omal was happy to announce it was the fastest a proposal had ever been agreed to by the Council of Ashtar Command. Instrumental with its passage was a Wookie friend of mine I had met while skiing who I had become close to during my trips to the base. Omal's personal request was that the Arcturians have a role in the Conference which was agreed to as they also had dealings with our planet. That is all we had time for before the tape runs out and Omal heads off to his meeting.

   Tia comes back as Omal leaves and we discuss the conversation between Omal and I. She helps with the need to establish the rules that would be agreed upon by everyone involved with the Conference including Ashtar. She points out that the discussions between all the off-world participants involved will give the general public reading the transcripts a chance to compare the various paths. A great suggestion of hers is to utilize a chat room at a now defunct New Age site that had become popular called Spirit Web. Karra replaces Tia and we go over an astral trip of mine I had taken to the base where I taught the children of the base about how money works. It was helped by Omal taking the form of one of the children but had chosen a girl so I had no idea who it was I was teaching. The children of both Karra, Alana, and I enjoyed watching their father get to teach a class though the concept of money wasn't grasped as well as I hoped. Their system is a better one so who can blame them. One funny part when going over the Conference with her is that a few of her verbal answers are to my telepathic questions. She also needs my help in the future with some incoming wounded from the Sirian Defense Force we heard about back in our November podcast. Seeing the toll taken by the members of the Force in protecting a third dimensional sister world of Sirius helped me realize it isn't all fun and games assisting others in their ascension path. Kiri pops in to let us know she will be visiting Sarah and her grandmother at the convent on Sirius and would not be there for a session in July. That leaves Tia to finish off when we get a call from Carrie who had her new baby. It was the perfect end to a great channeling session.            

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
OMAL RUSS (Archivist)


1.)(0:00)- Tia reviews the political winds of change blowing and explains how they relate to the three scenarios possible for our future by the base. She helpfully explains the parameters of each.

1.)(0:00)- Tia is back to start the side by sharing her suggestions for the Conference and pointing out it will give the world a chance to look at the various paths to decide for themselves which resonates best.
2.)(6:16)- Karra too works with me on the setup for the forum and channels but does so telepathically leaving my side of the conversation nearly silent. She also requests my help for some Sirian Defense Force personnel who are back from a bad engagement and need healing.
3.)(2:21)- Kiri updates us on Sarah's condition at the monastery on Sirius where she is being cared for by her grandmother who is also not doing well. The good news we get is that Gonzo is due to give birth soon.
4.)(29:08)- Tia talks with Carrie who calls us at session's end to share the joyful news that her baby has been born. After a rough delivery. Carrie is happy to tell us being as she knew we'd be in a session.
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(Tia starts things off after the bowl has rung)

(Russ rings a Tibetan bowl)

Tia: now why did you do that for?

Russ: greetings and welcome to tonight’s session......okay.

Tia: so why did you do that?

Russ: what, didn’t you like that?

Tia: I was just wondering why you did that.

Russ: oh, because I was told to do that.

Tia: by Karra?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: ahhh, Karra who is supposedly hustling down the hallway to the apartment......yes?

Russ: I don’t know about that, I was told that earlier today when I was working on the place.

Tia: ahh, for the energy.

Russ: I was told, “ring the bell slowly once".

Tia: so how we doing this evening?

Karen: oh just fine, how are you?

Tia: I’m doing excellent.......excellent, excellent, excellent.

Russ: I’ve been told this is going to be a fun session.

Karen: oh good, I’m looking forward to some fun.

Russ: at least the first part of it anyway.

Karen: oh good.

Tia: uh-huh. Well first of all, let me get down to business. Seems like I do this every week but anyway, again it was another record day setting a new record.

Russ: for what?

Tia: well 7,200 and whatever it is.

Russ: oh.

Tia: and yesterday was another record day.

Karen: yeah, it was really down there.

Tia: it was way up there.

Karen: I was reading it wrong.

Tia: so, that is three weeks that I’ve had to make………now what is going on here? Oh by the way, we’re downgrading to Defcon three for the time being because the stock market is doing so well…….

Russ: hey, excellent.

Tia: also, that Clinton has become more of a Republican.

Russ: is this going on the news I take it?

Tia: probably yes.

Russ: well it’s up to you, darling.

Tia: it’s up to you, we got the okay and what’s whistling?

Karen: my stomach?

(everyone breaks out laughing)

Tia: there’s a very high-pitched whistle.

Russ: I don’t hear it.

Kiri: oh, I hear that, it’s coming from the tape recorder.

Russ: that lightbulb?

Tia: could be.

Russ: turn the lights off.

Karen: that’s it.

Russ: huh?

Karen: that’s it.

Russ: what?

Karen: I thought it was my ears, it’s the lightbulb.

Tia: uh-huh, anyway…..

Russ: let’s find out.....tell me if it’s still going on.

Tia: nope.

Karen: no, it’s off.

Tia: and the bulb blew.

Russ: and the bulb blew, that’s why.

Tia: okay anyway, anyway, now where was I? Oh yes…..

Russ: record breakers.

Tia: record breakers and also downgrading to Defcon three.

Russ: and Clinton turning into a Republican.

Tia: uh-huh, because he has agreed almost 100%…..

Russ: to the budget.

Tia: the budget deal proposed by the Republicans which has left his party very upset with him, especially the Liberals.

Russ: the question has been asked, will it blow his chances for Gore’s reelection?

Tia: yes it has.

Russ: good.

Karen: what about Clinton’s reelection?

Russ: he didn’t get reelected, he’s already gone two terms.

Karen: oh bummers.

Tia: but they are talking about repealing the 33rd amendment.

Karen: which is?

Russ: giving Clinton one more shot at it.

Tia: as many shots as he needs. There are rumors of that but anyway, besides those factors, seems that things are improving, because in the last two years since the election of a Republican majority in the Senate and the House, they have finally been able to achieve what they have been trying to do and some of their ideas were deliberately extreme because they knew they wouldn't get them passed but they could compromise to what they really wanted and in actual fact that’s what they’ve done. The funny thing is that when they proposed the ideas, they were called cuts, slashes instead of a reduction in spending. Now that they’ve been passed right? They been called reductions in spendings so this is a language difficulty that they had, that the Republicans were typecast as cutting and slashing and obviously it did not work and people do not fall for that that which was rhetoric from the popular press and the Liberal Democrats. People obviously understood that a cut is not a cut in politics but in actual fact a reduction in spending. So, this reductions in spendings accompanied with appeasement has bolstered the Republican standing, that they’ve achieved what they wanted, everything looks good and rosy but there is still dark clouds on the horizon. You see this year was the last opportunity for passing a balanced budget amendment. If it didn’t pass, then things were going to hell in a handbasket and rapidly. The fact that it has passed means that it’s going to stimulate the economy because there is cuts in taxes, capital gains taxes being one of them, death taxes is another one.

Karen: death taxes?

Tia: well what you pay when somebody dies.

Karen: that’s not fair.

Tia: no, but they do exist but they’ve been cut, they've been slashed. So it means that things are looking better that the Republicans now have a strong footing if they get their act together to launch a decisive assault on the presidency. And I don’t think that they should wait until the meeting of the caucuses and the nomination process, I think they should start now, grooming somebody for that position.

Russ: they already are.

Tia: who?

Russ: Dole.

Tia: no.

Russ: he’s been in the news again.

Tia: uh-huh, he’s been in the news but he's not suited for it, but that's besides the point. Okay, now let us get down to the other business as time is short. Okay, politics, politics, politics, politics. Well it seems to me that by the appeasement of the Democratic leader who is trying to survive, he’s trying to win over the Republicans by appeasing them by whatever means necessary even to the point of selling out his own people, why? Well, Whitewater. He’s hoping to divert the fact that he has just committed the same crime that got Nixon impeached, obstruction of justice. Now, by agreeing with Republican pressure and balancing the budget and cutting or reducing the amount of expenditure and growth in certain programs and cutting taxes, capital gains tax, death duty tax and so on, the Republicans are more inclined, supposedly and hopefully for them, to not push the investigation. Now, Hillary Clinton does not have presidential……

Russ: immunity.

Tia: well she’s a private citizen. If she is asked a question, she can’t get the White House lawyers to help her, she has to do it on her own without attorney-client privileges.

Russ: well she’s an attorney herself.

Tia: yes, and she should know that she can’t do that but that’s what she’s claiming. What are they hiding? Well it’s about to come out, it’s going to come out very, very soon if they’re unlucky. If they’re lucky, it will come out at about the time that Al Gore is running for presidency. Doesn’t look good does it?

Russ: that is a theoretical question though, if I could step in at this point.

Tia: uh-huh, that’s why I stopped.

Russ: good. Now then, as I recall, at the point where we were still in the middle of the election……

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and we still had our choice between three candidates, Dole, Perot and Clinton......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we were discussing all three scenarios, scenario A, B and C.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: A, being the worst was of course…..

Tia: no, C being the worst.

Russ: oh, C being the worst was of course Perot being elected.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: B of course, being second-worst was Clinton being elected and A, Dole being elected.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: each of those scenarios led up to increasingly bad future predictions for our country and the world in general.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now, with Clinton being elected, we were dropped into scenario B as our future prediction.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: now, how I see it is with Clinton leaning more towards the Republican way of thinking and assisting them in their ways of doing things, we’re going more out of scenario B and more into scenario A……

Tia: that’s correct.

Russ: so it’s more like an A-, B+ kind of thing.

Tia: correct. Now if you remember I did mention subcategories.

Russ: correct, yes.

Tia: and this is one of the subcategories. This is as you rightly pointed out A-, B+ and that’s the way it’s going because they have to try to survive. What will happen if the Clintons are impeached? Gore takes over, but Gore is in the same boat as they are right?

Russ: yes but that’s only temporary, the impeachment wouldn’t last until maybe the election......

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and wouldn’t be impeached until then, at that point it would be too late anyway.

Tia: yeah, but the fact is, he would be if he got elected, he would be impeached almost immediately.

Russ: that wouldn't happen with the impeachment process going on, it would blow his chances anyway so, it wouldn't matter whether he was squeaky clean…..

Tia: yeah.

Russ: he wouldn’t get in just because he’s just on their coattails.

Tia: but let us go back, let’s say it happens next year right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, they get impeached, Gore takes over and promptly whereupon he gets impeached because they drag him down with them.

Russ: no, they wouldn’t, he’d just go ahead and give them immunity for them to not say anything.

Tia: he would get impeached for that….

Russ: well yeah, but…..

Tia: by a Republican majority?

Russ: there wouldn’t be enough time in his office left to worry about it.

Tia: uh-huh, but he would……

Russ: it would be another Ford Nixon deal.

Tia: exactly but he would never be reelected and whereupon they would open up and investigate him and oh boy, would he be in trouble? And who would……..let’s say they do impeach him, who’s next in line?

Russ: speaker of the House…..

Tia: Newt Gingrich, do you want him?

Russ: oh yeah, I think Newt would do a great job.

Tia: seriously do you want Newt Gingrich as president even if it’s only temporary?

Russ: Newt's the antichrist.

Tia: I thought that was Bill Gates?

Russ: no, that’s Mark’s antichrist, my antichrist is Newt Gingrich.

Tia: uh-huh, and your opinion Karen, you’re sitting there very quietly?

Karen: I could care less.

(Tia starts to chuckle)

Karen: I don’t like the presidents, I’ve never really voted for them in the first place, I had my choices and they don’t seem to be doing anything for me anyway.

Tia: okay, lets us assume that Bill Gates gets elected……..I mean Newt Gingrich gets elected.

(That gets Russ laughing uproariously)

Tia: I thought I would get both in there.

Russ: I’m going to throw that one on the webpage.

Karen: who is he, who is Gingrich?

Tia: Newt Gingrich? He’s the speaker of the House.

Karen: oh okay.

Tia: he’s actually, from what I’ve read in his private life, a very nice person.

Karen: well rude too.

Tia: I wouldn’t say rude, he’s just very focused. After all, if he wasn’t good as a politician would he have been elected, would he have become speaker of the House?

Karen: well I don't know, there's tell me.

Tia: well……

Russ: good game player.

Tia: exactly, he knows how to work politics so therefore he is good for what he does. He is not suited for……

Karen: what he wants.

Tia: I don’t think he wants it.

Russ: he’s the ultimate politician.

Tia: exactly.

Russ: well there’s no reason he should get president, but the fact of the matter is it’s a moot point. A number one, any impeachment proceedings have started within the year would take until the end of the presidency to take effect……

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: at which point it would be too late. The Republicans will still take over the next term…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: no matter how much mud is splashed upon the White House without any impeachments taking place between now and 2000.

Tia: perhaps we should change the White House name to the brown house.

Russ: and obviously, the scenario that you’re discussing, scenario A-, B+…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: for the sake of those folks who are just tuning in to this page, you could perhaps go over a little more of what that entails?

Tia: okay, scenario A is…..or was…..a Republican house, Republican Senate and a Republican president, probably Bob Dole. Actually, Bob Dole wasn’t the ideal A character, it happened to be…..with his name?

Russ: you mean Powell?

Tia: no, Forbes.

Russ: oh, Forbes.

Tia: uh-huh. After all, Forbes is a businessman that has political experience, has knowledge on how to run a business, scenario A was Forbes being elected president. He, being a businessman and having a very good advisor, would shepherd the country on an economic pathway that would bring great prosperity but would also have economic difficulties to start off with. Scenario B is the one where Bill Clinton got reelected and…….

(the phone rings)

Russ: that's.....

(the tape is paused as Karen suddenly finds she has to leave due to what was said during the call)

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Karen: bye Tia.

Tia: okay, if you want to call and we can do the telephone thingy again.

Karen: okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: if I get there on time so I don’t get people all stressed out.

Tia: yeah, we’re going to get tied up in politics and I know you don’t have much of an interest in politics.

Karen: I don’t like politics. Everyone tells me who to vote for and it's like I think who I vote for is…….

Russ: Mickey Mouse.

Karen: you got it.

Tia: hey, vote for me next time.

Karen: huh?

Tia: vote for me, Tia Taal.

Karen: I will.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: just like I voted for Monty Python.

(Tia giggles)

Russ: scenario B darling.

Tia: scenario B okay, is where Bill Clinton is reelected and what happens is, for the first year and half of his second term, the stock market goes up, up, up, up, up, up, setting new records……wait a second, that sounds a little bit like now actually……..whereupon, there is a hike in the interest rate. A little bit higher than people have anticipated which puts the brakes on the economy. Taxes are increased also which puts the brakes on the economy even further and depression sets in and things start to go on the skids. Okay, scenario C is where the parrot……..I mean Perot was……..and you can put that in……..the parrot was elected……..I mean Perot and Mr. Big Ears and Big Nose decides to run the country like a business. Well, the thing with Perot is that you work for him. It’s more of a dictatorship actually and what happens is you cut taxes but in the wrong places, you need programs. The poor get upset with him and the rich and of course that leads to things like the Los Angeles riots which in turn means that the National Guard gets called in which in turn causes a whole load more problems but it’s not just one city that this would occur in, it would be many cities. Also, what would occur in case scenario C is an economic depression would set in because external foreign investors would not like what they see going on in the country that has become chaos and pull out pushing the depression further down which in turn stops the buying power of the United States which in turn affects other countries which gives a global depression as opposed to just a countrywide recession as in case scenario B. Now the thing is in case scenario C is that the depression in the country may not start internally. It may certainly start and be a mini recession, but because of the lack of buying power overseas, it would affect markets such as the Japanese market which is always teetering one way or the other way to teeter and finally totter and go whee which in turn would mean that there wouldn’t be so many electronical goods going around which means that the people to supply the components and the raw materials to Japan wouldn’t have a market which means that they’d have stock sitting around on their shelves which means that they would have to cut their expenditures which means they would have to cut staffing and product and material and affect other places in turn. So you see a whole entire domino effect that needs to occur in case scenario C. Now case scenario C did not have much of a chance of occurring, the other two as you can see, had a great chance of happening and nearly did have case scenario A. Towards the end of the election had been a week longer, I feel that Dole, which is in actual fact case scenario B+, A-, nearly occurred which is what you have now. Even though it’s not Dole, it’s Clinton but Clinton needs the Republicans to survive but the question is, will he survive with what is going on now? Now that is up in the air. At this point our predictions get a little bit sketchy and the figures get a little bit wild. You talk 50% this, 30% that, any time that it’s under 75%, then it becomes tricky. So, what are the possibilities? Well, the possibilities are he gets impeached, he doesn’t get impeached. His wife gets arrested, which would certainly hamstring him and look very bad for him, but he doesn’t. He can’t give her a presidential pardon because that would look bad. In fact, that would get him impeached quicker than what he’s done at the moment. So you see the figures at this point get very, very sketchy.

Russ: so the question I have is, where we were looking at possible rioting in the large cities with case scenario B…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: with case scenario B+ is that still a possibility?

Tia: yes it is but it’s a minor possibility now.

Russ: ahhh.

Tia: but, the cities are in a boiling point regardless of what is going on.

Russ: so is stocking up still a necessity?

Tia: it’s handy.

Russ: and does it push back the date….

Tia: yes it does.

Russ: currently predicted?

Tia: yes it does push it back.

Russ: to what point?

Tia: pushes back to……we’re going to, instead of doing it as in Defcon two, month by month right? We’re going to it year-by-year. We’re going to review in probably about November time and then again in May time, but we will keep you advised because things could transpire that throws a whole entire fly in the ointment you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: but it’s not so much looking at it month-to-month, it’s going to be now six months at a time.

Russ: excellent.

Tia: which is a definite improvement.

Russ: way improvement.

Tia: you can definitely slow down on your stocking up unless of course, without warning, you get from Mark Defcon two then you go back to the state of readiness that you've been in and then if you get a Defcon one from Karra, myself, Omal, whoever, you get really ready. But you should be able to see Defcon one coming like an express train at that point.

Russ: correct.

Tia: rioting in places like Reno, Carson City, Sacramento, Placerville……if you hear about them, it’s Defcon one.

Russ: okay, question for you.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: in 1939 in Poland…….

Tia: September the first.

Russ: the Jewish population from the 1300s to this point had been very much at peace…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: living at a very enjoyable pace with no problems foreseen on the future.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Hitler was the threat in Germany but it didn’t affect Poland.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: one month later, all hell breaks loose, Poland's invaded and the Jews are being rounded up.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is this a possibility that our country could possibly foresee or is it going to be a slower pace than that?

Tia: a slower pace than that but, not being fully versed on what happened in 1939……..I believe it was August not September……it is real hard for me to really look at that issue. From what I’ve heard that they attacked but they had also the Stalin people come in and attack from the other side. What could happen in your country? Yes that is a possibility but it wouldn’t be so much as the Jewish people, it would be more the people that appear to be different, unusual. People of different spiritual beliefs but that is not so much of a problem as it has become more acceptable to be of a different religion. It might be different mental levels. People that have an IQ that is below a certain level may become targets.

Russ: or above a certain level.

Tia: exactly, but it is really hard to say. People above a certain level are usually smart enough to dodge the bullet as it were so it would be more than likely people under a certain intelligence. They’re dragging down the country, they’re not being productive, let’s get rid of them, let’s round them all up and have them in places where we can keep an eye on them and make them useful individuals.

Russ: which is how they thought of the Jews in 1939.

Tia: correct.

Russ: even though they had a higher educational level than most of the Germans or Poland's around them….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: Polish around them, it was still a fact that they were looked at as a….

Tia: subspecies.

Russ: inferior class.

Tia: I believe the word untermensch was frequently used……

Russ: correct.

Tia: which means under human. Okay, that about wraps it up for me. On that note, I would like to have Kiri’s question answered, why is phonetically not spelled the way that it sounds?

Russ: it goes back to the Latin.

Tia: oh, okay. But phonetically would be the P.H.O.N.E.T.L.Y..

Russ: right.

Tia: but it’s not spelled that way.

Russ: why is it not spelled with an F?

Tia: it’s a joke.

Russ: oh.

Tia: okay, I'm going to put on the next speaker.

Russ: okay.

Tia: oh, before I do, Karra didn’t relay any of the discussion between Kiri and Karen did she?

Russ: no, she did not.

Tia: okay.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondedunn)

(Omal comes in at his normal position on the schedule)

Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ, let us get down to matters at hand quickly.

Russ: greetings Omal, are you on a time schedule?

Omal: yes, I am unfortunately due to the delay in the start of the channeling session and matters that needed to be addressed that I agree with.

Russ: uh-huh, no problem. Basically, I don’t have any questions anyway......

Omal: oh.

Russ: so we’re on any time schedule you want to play with this evening.

Omal: I have about ten minutes, which should be to the end of this tape, the end of this side.

Russ: wonderful, well we’ll just discuss ten minutes worth of discussion.

Omal: okay, what would you like to know, in general?

Russ: well basically from what Tia had mentioned, we have a very much breathing a sigh of relief.

Omal: only a temporary sigh of relief.

Russ: temporary nonetheless though, it is one that we are looking forward to in the fact that we’re not able to take more precautionary measures for the future.

Omal: okay, what are you going to do in this precautionary time, this lull?

Russ: well this lull allows a point where we can do some more redesigning of the house to prepare for a future that would include scenario B......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that would be completing our storage area......

Omal: okay, so you continue with putting shelving up.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: all the necessary things that you need.

Russ: right.

Omal: better lighting possibly.

Russ: ahh, very much so, I’ll talk to Skip about that. And now on the other hand, one more thing that this break allows for us to do, is start doing some more plans that Karra and I have been working on which is aiming toward a New Age center.

Omal: that is already being dealt with by Karra and yourself. My input would be to proceed and to get the network going.

Russ: well, I’d like your help on one item that her and I are a little bit stuck on.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and that is the acquiring of the space.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so what we’re looking at is possibly asking for someone to donate a space, for tax write-off purposes and along with that, asking for people to donate books and other items that could be used as like a New Age library.

Omal: that would be appropriate. My suggestion is emphasize donation, emphasize no currency will be accepted. Even buying somebody a cup of coffee could be construed as giving money.

Russ: okay.

Omal: if you wish to proceed, you have to have it certified as a religion and a church to get tax-exempt status. At the moment with all the problems with the cults on your planet, this might not be appropriate.

Russ: I agree.

Omal: the fact that two more people tried to copy the Heaven’s Gate suicide should be noted at this time, one succeeded.

Russ: okay. What a……..not a church, well how can we do this? Something like the Center for Ashtar Command or…..?

Omal: no, I don’t think Ashtar would approve of having his name used in such a way.

Russ: okay.

Omal: Center for Spiritual Development.

Russ: that could be nonprofit?

Omal: yes.

Russ: okay. And so with that, keeping that donations as solely tax-free, then theoretically we could get something started that way......

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: along with a webpage of a similar note.

Omal: correct and the blending of ideas. Now, another piece of information that I am delighted to bring up, is that your suggestion has been approved.

Russ: which one.

Omal: Ashtar has approved and will try to make himself available for a group discussion from various entities in a channeling format.

Russ: ahh, the channeling forum.

Omal: correct. If he cannot make himself available he will delegate somebody. I hope it does not fall on me, probably it will.

Russ: well, you would be the next obvious choice besides Korton.

Omal: correct but there are other individuals that are far more qualified to deal and debate than I.

Russ: well you underestimate yourself though, I think you’d be wonderful at the job.

Omal: I am a base commander, I have lots of responsibilities.

Russ: true.

Omal: taking time out to channel would have to be planned as this is planned.

Russ: well, of course, before we do anything like this, it would be well-thought-of, it would be practically set as a military campaign almost

Omal: correct. Rules and regulations will have to be agreed upon in advance by the individuals that will be channeled. In other words, Ashtar will have to agree to the format that is proposed.

Russ: okay. Well, two of the channels that I’m looking at approaching right now are Barbara Marciniak who channels The Pleiadians.....

Omal: uh-huh.

and Lyssa Royal, who we’re both very familiar with, channeling the Zeta Reticuli.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: and then of course whoever Ashtar Command is designated as.

Omal: correct and the ideal person would be….

Russ: Ashtar.

Omal: Ashtar channeled through Roger.

Russ: that ain’t going to happen.

Omal: no, unfortunately. We will use the next available person most suited……

Russ: Mark.

Omal: is Mark.

Russ: right.

Omal: although Mark may have an adrenaline overload dealing with so many people.

Russ: well the thing is, we can keep the number of people down to a minimum as far as who’s all there. Then what we do is we make it an Internet affair where he’s quite comfortable with.

Omal: uh-huh. Well the ideal setup would be all the parties meeting in person. That way there could be a free trading of ideas as opposed to in a chatroom where lots of people would be chatting as well as the discussion between the three races.

Russ: no, that wouldn’t be a feasible idea. What I’m thinking of is just the information itself going out on the net as it’s presented, no input allowed whatsoever.

Omal: I have a better idea.

Russ: okay.

Omal: we write a statement, or all parties write a statement, an opening statement.

Russ: okay.

Omal: okay, to which is added the replies addressing so it would be a ongoing developing debate. Let us say once a week an individual puts up a post, would it be possible to do that through your webpage?

Russ: yeah, sure.

Omal: okay. Offer your webpage and guarantee non-editing.

Russ: of course.

Omal: okay, that an opening statement from each group, a question from each group to start off with. Say for example, Ashtar does his, "I’m delighted to be here, it is a pleasure and a honor to be among such esteemed colleagues, etc., etc., etc. I would like to ask for their input on the plan of raising the vibrationary level of the planet to a whatever."

Russ: right.

Omal: their comment or their preamble and their question would also be published at the same time and so on. And the return reply would be addressed let us say Ashtar addresses the Zetas and the Pleiadians.

Russ: so this would be a week by week thing instead of just a one day gathering?

Omal: correct.

Russ: that’s a great idea.

Omal: so that way it would bring more people to your page, get our line across and if they have webpages they can post it on their webpages.

Russ: that’s a great idea.

Omal: that we would send a message to them and you so that any chance of editing can be….

Russ: dealt with because everybody has the same….

Omal: exactly.

Russ: information on their webpages.

Omal: exactly.

Russ: great idea, I like it. So did you guys do this through Council first….

Omal: yes.

Russ: off the record?

Omal: through the Council.

Russ: through the Council.

Omal: it has been close to eight weeks?

Russ: something like that, yeah.

Omal: that is the fastest that something has been pushed through.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: yes.

Russ: did my friend the Wookie agree on it?.

Omal: yes.

Russ: excellent.

Omal: he stood up and gave a long address. In fact he was the delegate to a Council meeting on Sirius base where Ashtar happens to be at this time.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: and he was our representative and he put in a passionate plea for the idea, almost lost.

Russ: oh really?

Omal: but, behind-the-scenes maneuvering by him of a very cleverly orchestrated move assured that he won by one vote.

Russ: I’ll have to go down and personally say thank you.

Omal: I will forward your message that you thank him and I also suggest that you do in person.

Russ: I do too.

Omal: he went out on limb for you.

Russ: well, we have a lot of background together so….

Omal: yes, I have a voting capability in the Council here on the base but I do not have a voting capability in the Command Council.

Russ: oh.

Omal: I have a voting capability as a commander, but I cannot vote in the Council that is in charge of Ashtar Command that Ashtar heads for the simple reason I would be wearing three hats and nobody is allowed to wear three hats.

Russ: wow, voting Council of Ashtar Command would include Korton and…

Omal: that is correct.

Russ: Kuthumi I think is…..

Omal: Kuthumi yes, that is correct.

Russ: another one, yeah.

Omal: Ashtar-Athena is another one.

Russ: oh yeah, that’s right and what's another one…..Alamee?

Omal: uh-huh.

Alami or something.

Omal: Alami.

Russ: uh-huh.

Omal: you understand that it is.......nobody wears more than two hats.

Russ: right.

Omal: they delegate people to vote in their stead. We are not allowed to interfere with their voting. We can suggest, we can make offers and suggestions to them but we cannot interfere and say, "this is the way I want you to vote".

Russ: what I don’t understand though is, with the idea that Karra and I came up with, it’s really though an idea for not just us, but it involves the whole universe practically.

Omal: it involves three very different races.

Russ: right but I mean this is one of the reasons that I think that it’s important to go through and I’m sort of surprised that it wasn’t like unanimous right from the very get-go as people seeing this as being an idea that was ripe and ready to go. Is it just because the differences of opinions between the three races?

Omal: yes. Also I would like to invite, a personal invite, the Arcturians.

Russ: I’ll have to find someone who deals with them.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: oh wait a minute, I’ve got someone who deals with them don't I?

Omal: Raya.

Russ: no, no, no, no, not Raya, this one.

Omal: correct.

Russ: the one we go, Sacred Journeys. Athena Publishing.......yeah here it is, Dr Norma J Milanovich.

Omal: and she probably does have an email address by now.

Russ: by now, I’ll look her up on the web. That would bring the Arcturians into it.

Omal: correct, that we can sit down and have a dialogue of discussions. Something that at the moment does not happen.

Russ: "I am Kuthumi, your father and guide in the millennium", she’s channeling Kuthumi.

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: I thought she was dealing with Arcturians?

Omal: Kuthumi is an Arcturian.

Russ: I thought he was Ashtar Command?

Omal: no.

Russ: oh, I’m confused.

Omal: there is a Kathumi…

Russ: oh, oh, oh.

Omal: not Kuthumi, Kathumi.

Russ: I see.

Omal: it is not an uncommon name.

Russ: chill.......okay, I’ve got it.

Omal: is that the feline that is called Gizmo?





(Tia switches seats with Omal as he heads off to his meeting)

Tia: there he goes, wandering off out on his way to his meeting. Oh dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.

Russ: pretty world-shaking events we got there darling.

Tia: uh-huh, yeah, I think that’s a great idea on setting up that meeting and inviting the Arcturians.

Russ: why is it Karra and I are the first ones to come up with this? This can’t be an original idea.

Tia: no, I don’t think it is an original idea, I just think that now……

Russ: just hasn’t been passed in Council before?

Tia: correct, because he did say that it was touch and go.

Russ: well the thing was I think they look at a lot of different aspects of this. For example, who’s doing the channeling on the Ashtar Command side? Well, Mark.

Tia: that gives…..

Russ: big points on our side.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hey, we’re not going through someone who’s a conscious channeler….

Tia: true.

Russ: we’re going through somebody they can use…..

Tia: totally.

Russ: that Ashtar is quite familiar with….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: very familiar with.

Tia: actually, it would be entertaining to watch Ashtar just get up and wander off with Mark.

Russ: I agree. Now the other point is, how many of the Council members have seen the webpage?

Tia: probably all of them, I know all the ones up here have.

Russ: okay, well…..

Tia: that’s my department.

Russ: yeah. So basically, that’s going in our favor.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: because they know we’re going to have not just a minor interest in what’s going on, it’s going to be on a worldwide basis.

Tia: correct.

Russ: okay.

Tia: also, next week, Ashtar will be on the base.

Russ: so we’re going to get to address this issue in person?

Tia: probably yes.

Russ: so let's set some ground rules then?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I don’t think we’re going to get an opening statement yet but.......

Tia: right.

Russ: we can set some ground rules that won't be on the web.

Tia: correct, that will be open for debate to finalize and set everything up.

Russ: right, we can work on some final parts.

Tia: uh-huh. Everybody will be asked to submit their rules that they wish to have, right?

Russ: so in another words, I start sending out emails tomorrow?

Tia: uh-huh, requesting if they’re interested to submit the rules that they wish to use in the debate. And the rules will be analyzed and we will send back the ones that we agree with and they will send back the ones that they agree with and hopefully we will come up with a set set of rules that everybody can agree with. Because it has to be agreed by everybody. It’s not going to be us saying, "this is the rules" because they may not like our rules you see. And they submit their set of rules and we may not like their's but by being open and saying, "okay, this is how we’re going to do it, this is our suggestion on the rules. Would you like to make your own suggestion or remove those ones that you do not agree with, or let us look at those ones and arrange them in such a way that it is beneficial to all parties involved?"

Russ: now a question I’ve had that’s been nagging on my mind I haven’t been able to work out with Karra yet….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: is, what is going to be the challenges of doing the debate among multidimensional beings?

Tia: information, everybody’s point of view. Point of view of the Zetas, point of view of the Pleiadians, the point of view of the Arcturians giving everybody on your planet that reads your page the free option to make up their own mind on who is the better. Not necessarily the better but who has the better pathway.

Russ: I think it’s going to be an educational experience for all parties involved.

Tia: yes, there is that as well.

Russ: everyone who reads it and everyone involved from all four species.

Tia: uh-huh, we’ve had a dialogue with all four species in the past.

Russ: right.

Tia: but there was always been that animosity. The fact that we offer one of our city ships for everybody to get together, it’s not’s not mutual territory.

Russ: yeah, it’s your city ship.

Tia: correct.

Russ: they don’t have them.

Tia: correct. So therefore there is always that problem. But this being totally free and a neutral ground in essence gives that opportunity. You might contact Spirit Web and inform them of what you are doing.

Russ: good idea, I’ll send an email off to them too.

Tia: uh-huh. And maybe they will be able to help set up a….

Russ: neutral ground?

Tia: yes, neutral ground. Because even though the Hades Base News is titled Hades Base News, it is a neutral ground in essence but it has our title on it.

Russ: yeah, they might not like that just because it’s promoting our webpage.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: they might not mind promoting Spirit Web......

Tia: correct.

Russ: because that’s neutral for everybody involved.

Tia: exactly and everybody uses it.

Russ: right, I’ll go through Fire and see what I can pull off.

(one of the site admins)

Tia: uh-huh, or look at some other possibilities.

Russ: no, I think you came up with a good one.

Tia: uh-huh but also have from there on your webpage.

Russ: yeah, of course. We’ll have all four web pages involved…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: added as links to more information.

Tia: correct.

Russ: and I’ll add the three other links on my webpage and they can do the same.

Tia: yes. Anyway, let me put on the next speaker.

(Karra comes on to help develop the Conference)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hey babe.

Karra: how is it functioning dear?

Russ: baby, we are going to be working so hard.

Karra: I know, I know.

Russ: @&*^$#

Karra: language, please dear, do you ever hear me swear?

Russ: do you ever hear me swear?

Karra: yes.

Russ: good.

(Russ starts to chuckle)

Russ: it’s a third dimensional thing that often times I will use. I don’t know the Sirian equivalent so I’ll just rough it with earth.

Karra: I don’t swear.

Russ: I know. If I know the Sirian equivalent, which isn’t bad I’m sure, I'd use that.

Karra: I know them, but I’ve never used them. I’ve never used them darling.

Russ: teach me, darling, I'll use it.

Karra: no.

Russ: I know, I know, I’m kidding.

Karra: one little slip and our children may pick it up.

Russ: right.

Karra: they are too young to have that in their vocabulary.

Russ: I don’t cuss around the kids.

Karra: but still, they can read your minds.

Russ: minds?

Karra: mind.

Russ: thank you.

Karra: yes, dear.

Russ: fun little session yesterday, darling.

Karra: yes it was.

Russ: did the kids all enjoy that little lesson?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: did they understand that little lesson?

Karra: most of them no.

Russ: I didn’t think so.

Karra: the one little one.

Russ: the girl?

Karra: yes, the young girl, he understood fully well. It was a lesson more for you than for them.

Russ: why? I know the whole thing between money and how to buy things and all that kind of

Karra: the penny, my dear.

Russ: oh, that.

Karra: and how did I describe…..

Russ: and the five-dollar bill, that was a good one.

Karra: how did I describe the little one? Just now?

Russ: as a guy.

Karra: exactly, why?

Russ: well it looked like a girl to me.

Karra: it looked very much like a girl to me as well.

Russ: well then why would you describe it is a guy? Omal.

Karra: exactly.

Russ: "natch".

Karra: a lesson in manifestation on a massive scale.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: why do you think the other children just kind of ignored her?

Russ: that’s pretty good on his part.

Karra: uh-huh but did you notice……

Russ: how did they know I was going to be there?

Karra: he knows when you get up here dear.

Russ: well the message he left on the computer was pretty self-evident too.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hologram to how to get there and everything.

Karra: yes but, a lesson in observation, how did the children react to the little girl?

Russ: well it was just curious, I mean she’s kind of leading the whole thing.

Karra: uh-huh but how did they react to her?

Russ: well I wasn’t really watching, I was busy teaching.

Karra: uh-huh. They kind of followed her but it is more along the lines of, she was the first one up towards you, correct?

Russ: yeah.

Karra: and another one followed, and then they all started to follow.

Russ: right. Well I liked that one little boy that I brought into it all.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: he was kind of cool about the whole thing.

Karra: yes, very outgoing isn’t he?

Russ: yes, very outgoing.

Karra: uh-huh, he’s naturally like that.

Russ: oh. And David, Michael and Kevin all enjoyed it.

(Ed. note: our twins and the child of my bondmate Alana and I)

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: because I don’t see them very much anyway so I think they enjoyed watching their dad at least be there.

Karra: uh-huh, but they knew who the little girl wasn’t.

Russ: oh, they did, huh?

Karra: uh-huh, all the children knew.

Russ: oh. Okay, well that was fun, that was educational and I’m glad Omal was able to assist me in that.

Karra: not only was it a learning lesson for the children….

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: but for you as well.

Russ: oh yeah.

Karra: now…

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: I have a little message for you.

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: hold out your hand and manifest the penny.

Russ: on third dimension?

Karra: yes. In fact, sitting on the wood on the futon here is a penny. Okay, now visualize that penny and bring it through to the third dimension. I’ll watch it and see if it fades.

Russ: okay.

(Russ now concentrates as he tries to manifest a penny out of thin air)

Karra: didn’t even budge.

Russ: easier on sixth dimension darling.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: it’s a lot less dense of a dimension.

Karra: now the penny's dissolved. That is good, that is clever.

Russ: who, Omal?

Karra: uh-huh, that is incredible.

Russ: oh good.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: well still, it was a good lesson on all our parts.

Karra: yes it was, it was.

Russ: I’m glad it gave me a chance to practice my meager skills.

Karra: so, any questions dear?

Russ: well yeah, a lot of questions actually sweetheart.

Karra: okay.

Russ: and they all of course concern the upcoming work we’re about to get into.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now, let’s say for example I go ahead and contact these various channels?

Karra: yes, yes and no. They will be nervous about it, they will see it as a possible threat to them but not to us. So by doing it that way would be a negative, it has to be done and debated before it gets it going. When you set it up with Spirit Web, if Spirit Web agrees, then that’s the way to do it. No, don't change that, just do it that way.

Russ: go through Spirit Web first and then go through the various channels.

Karra: that’s what I just said.

Russ: yes but we’re not verbalizing anything except for you.

Karra: well?

Russ: anybody listening to this tape like Mark is going, “huh?”

Karra: so?

Russ: well……

Karra: it’s between us two, isn’t it?

Russ: yes it is darling.

Karra: but, no, no, no Russ, you’re missing my point.

Russ: why? It'd work that way.

Karra: yes it would, but it isn't the best way.

Russ: okay, what’s the best way?

Karra: okay, the best way would be to set up the room or set up the board….

Russ: uh-huh.

Karra: right? Then contact them individually, not write out a generic letter. The generic letter won’t work, it’s got to be individual worded differently from each other letter, a personal letter.

Russ: especially with Lyssa.

Karra: exactly and explain that this is hopefully a meeting of the ways so that it can be a better, beneficial opportunity for the human condition. Actually, you and Mark should work on it together because Mark and be very manipulative with his words.

Russ: all right. We’ll all be working on it too.

Karra: oh yeah, uh-huh. Yes, that’s the way.

Russ: I’m sitting here looking at your picture darling.

Karra: I know but that last thought, yes, that’s the way to do it.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay? Not the other ways, yes, dear.

Russ: all right. So how important is this to the base?

Karra: not that important but it is something that is opening a dialogue.

Russ: but doesn’t this make your job easier if it’s successful?

Karra: it will be successful.

Russ: of course it will darling.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: and it will make your job easier.

Karra: correct. Now, I may need your help on the 11th. We have wounded individuals coming in. One of them is coming in a rejuve cryogenic chamber. I need extra hands when necessary if you can spend half an hour helping.

Russ: yeah, that’s no problem.

Karra: now it’s just going to be changing dressings and talking.

Russ: okay, I’m good at that. I’ll tell them earth stories.

Karra: yes, nice ones……

Russ: of course.

Karra: jokes, nothing to do with blood. Some of the ones that are going to be in the sick bay are going to be very mentally distressed.

Russ: can I tell them my kicks are for Trids joke?

Karra: no.

Russ: oh.

Karra: it’s only bright, cheerful, bubbly subjects.

Russ: okay.

Karra: we’ll let our specialists handle their mental problems.

Russ: all right. Well I’ll tell them about Christmas and stuff.

Karra: uh-huh yeah. Funny stories but no violence.

Russ: I’ll give them some images of Earth.

Karra: nice ones.

Russ: well yeah, remember the one over there at Blue Lakes?

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: before you do give them the images, check with whoever’s around and project the image to them because it may set some of them off.

Russ: okay. Anyway, I’ll do my best.

Karra: uh-huh, yeah. We’re having Kornas come down and practice some real medicine for a change. The one in the cryo rejuve tank is going to take a lot of work.

Russ: okay.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: I’ll be happy to.

Karra: yes, and you won’t be able to go in look at him, it’s going to be hard on me too.

Russ: I’d rather not anyway.

Karra: uh-huh. Sorry, I didn’t mean to project an image.

Russ: and I’ll need your help….

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: on Thursday…..

Karra: no problem.

Russ: at 11:30 when I go to Dean’s funeral.

Karra: okay.

Russ: I’ve got to go and deal with his family and stuff.

Karra: uh-huh. How are they dealing?

Russ: I don’t know.

Karra: do we know what the results were?

Russ: all I’ve heard is aneurysm or heart attack.

Karra: that’s what I thought. Okay……

Russ: all right my love.

Karra: I got to go.

Russ: bye, see you tomorrow.

Karra: bye.

(Tia is back with a little surprise)

(Tia says hello in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: okay, this is going to be a little odd and unusual.

Russ: I’m used to that by now.

Tia: uh-huh. She’s going to like this one.

(Taal presents a message from his bondmate Katrina and himself)

Taal: "greetings Russ, this is a recording".

Russ: okay.

Taal: "just wish to thank you for dealing with little Taan and being patient and taking care of him when need is most. I appreciate and Katrina appreciate your help and understanding. Katrina said to say she feel much better knowing that little Taan is being looked after by wonderful people. The thought of him in crèche hurt me and Taal". "That was from Katrina".

Russ: uh-huh.

Taal: "this from me, thanks buddy, much appreciated, see you on flipside".

(Tia is back yet again to make a longer transition between speakers)

(Tia says hi again in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: got it.

Russ: good job, very nice.

Tia: yes, that was quite entertaining to do that. We’ve been rehearsing that.

Russ: have you?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that was very well done.

Tia: that is what we wanted to do last week.

Russ: oh.

Tia: well not a recording but a direct link.

Russ: but still, that was very well done.

Tia: failing that, a recording works.

Russ: uh-huh. Because it would’ve been tricky last week anyway with someone having to translate.

Tia: uh-huh. Well, we were going to run it through the translation unit you see.

Russ: oh.

Tia: that way, she would hear Russian or Sirian and you would hear English or Russian.

Russ: oh, even better.

Tia: uh-huh. She would have to think in Russian to say it.

Russ: right.

Tia: we did tests, she’s not quite up to doing that thinking thing yet…..

Russ: oh okay.

Tia: uh-huh, instead of thinking in Sirian.

Russ: how’s Taan doing?

Tia: sorry?

Russ: how is the little one doing?

Tia: oh, he’s doing fine. We’re going to have him again from tomorrow night until Sunday night.

Russ: excellent.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I can’t believe I got so bamboozled.

Tia: bamboozled?

Russ: by Omal, it just blows me away.

Tia: uh-huh, I heard about that.

Russ: got a good chuckle I hope?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m getting a good chuckle now.

Tia: yeah, Mark didn’t know about it. And guess who’s just arrived?

Russ: who?

Tia: Mark.

Russ: Mark, okay.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well kick him out again.

Tia: yeah, we have, threw a cloak at him. I’m going to go and dress those wounds of his.

Russ: oh good.

Tia: uh-huh, make him feel much better. Anyway, going to put the last person on.

Russ: all right love.

(Tia says goodbye in Durondeduun)

(Kiri sits down on the base futon to start channeling)

Kiri: my, hasn’t it got dark in here?

Russ: yeah, I’ve got to fix that light over there.

Kiri: so, what’s happening?

Russ: no buddy boy this evening?

Kiri: did we get a little hungry buddy boy?

Russ: I was hungry.

Kiri: no need to eat the plate.

Russ: well, you know, it was good food.

Kiri: my, if you were that hungry I’d invite you up here and you can eat the dishes so we don’t have them to clean.

Russ: you don’t have them to clean anyway.

Kiri: Tia washes them, Mark washes them. Do you know how much Mark hates doing the dishes?

Russ: I said, you don't have anything to clean, when do you clean dishes?

Kiri: I don’t, when it’s my turn I stick them in the washing machine or send them off to be recycled except for Tia’s bone china which we only get out once in a while anyway.

Russ: and which she cleans.

(a cat meows)

Kiri: hello, what can I do for you? Oh I know you, Tia says you’re the one that swears.

Russ: that was the one that swears. She has learned manners, she’s become a mother.

Kiri: uh-huh. Okay, what can I do for you buddy boy?

Russ: well, my sweetheart, my love, my wonderful one.

Kiri: better not tell Karra what you just said to me.

Russ: Karra knows all about what I say to you.

Kiri: uh-huh, I thought that was funny actually. She’s talking to you and answering your questions and not letting you get a word in edgeways but you’re asking the questions.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: that’s going to get a chuckle from Mark, going to have him very baffled.

Russ: yes, it will.

Kiri: uh-huh. That is why I think she does it from time to time you know.

Russ: I agree.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well this whole e-mail thing is going to be very nice and handy.

Kiri: yes it is, I think that was a great idea. Everybody is working hard on that except for me dude but I have my own projects.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: I’m sure you’ll be following the outcome of this.

Kiri: yes. You want to get a cup of tea for me to imbibe?

Russ: well, of course darling, let me cut the tape for a second.

Kiri: uh-huh.

(the tape is stopped while a cup of tea is brought to Kiri)

Kiri: anyway, ask away. Put the tape back on.

Russ: it is on.

Kiri: oh. We got about 10 minutes, ask away. You’re coming to dinner on the 10th, aren’t you?

Russ: uh-huh, yeah.

Kiri: well actually the ninth.

Russ: for Monka?

Kiri: uh-huh. It starts at 10:30 our time.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: and we’ve got decidedly too many kittens down here.

Russ: only two.

Kiri: we’ve got one, two, one up there, three plus that one.

Russ: what, there’s another one?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: where?

Kiri: hey.......he’s behind the couch.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: I can see his life aura. And then we have this one.

(a kitten cries piteously)

Kiri: Tia wants to know why you are saying that you are hungry?

Russ: okay, so I’ll be there.

Kiri: okay. Yes, dinner. Well, we’re having a whole salmon, big one.

Russ: dressed salmon.

Kiri: uh-huh. It’s going to be stuffed with fire nuts, right? Sweet nuts and lots of herbs.

Russ: which reminds me, how is your dad and Gonzo doing?

Kiri: fine, they’re doing great.

Russ: I need to go up there and say hi and do a little unofficial meet and greet.

Kiri: okay, in advance notice, the second week in July I won’t be here.

Russ: oh, are you going up to Sirius?

Kiri: that’s correct.

Russ: good, you’re going to work on that girl?

Kiri: yeah, she had her first major attack of the accelerated decrepity, one of the problems. She’s over it, it only lasted a day or so right? But it had her totally bedridden for the very first time.

Russ: that's not good.

Kiri: no. Also it doesn’t help the fact that grandmother is also not that well at the moment again.

Russ: the two are connected.

Kiri: uh-huh. It’s overwork on grandmother’s part. She was actually told to stop working so hard because she’s setting everything up and according to the nurse that I talked to, she said that grandmother is working hard because she’s trying to set up all the connections with the guides and everything to ease Sarah’s final day.

Russ: well, I think it’s safe for grandmother though.

Kiri: uh-huh. So she’s working harder than she’s ever worked and the fact that Sarah got sick and had her first major bout, she’s probably got maybe four more or five more to go before it gets the point where her body would just starts to fail and it would be like old age very quickly upon her. From what I've heard from the nurse, accelerated decrepity is a ancient and old illness that is well-documented and it’s like the last month basically, the eyesight goes and the hearing starts to fade and the sense of smell starts to go but you don’t lose the eyesight totally.

Russ: well when I go up to Sirius I won’t bother going up to the monastery.

Kiri: no, I wouldn’t, it could be depressing for you. She doesn’t look like that beautiful young lady that used to shuffle around the base anymore, she’s got patches of gray. The next time Karen complains about the gray in her hair, just tell her that Sarah has a lot more and is a lot younger.

Russ: well, I’ll go up for a happy visit to go and see Tanaxa and Gonzo anyway.

Kiri: uh-huh. They’ve also agreed to come to the base for the farewell ceremony.

Russ: have they?

Kiri: uh-huh, yes.

Russ: well I haven’t seen them since the wedding and I didn’t see them at the wedding really.

Kiri: no, and Gonzo is expected to go into labor very soon.

Russ: which is another reason I want to go up and see them.

Kiri: uh-huh, I would wait until after next week.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: her due day is the 14th I believe.

Russ: so after that?

Kiri: yeah, but send them a message.

Russ: all right, I’ll work it out through the computer on the base.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, I’m going to put Tia back on.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: catch you later hon.

Russ: bye love.

(Tia returns and gets to finish out the session talking to her sister mind)

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia goes into a conversation in Durondedunn to the cats in the room)

Russ: I'll put a tape aside here.

(Russ then rings the
Tibetan bowl once more)

(Tia's conversation in Durondedunn for a bit longer)
Russ: well I’m kind of wiped out here darling, not energy wise just question wise. Seems like we’ve been going for a couple hours now.

Tia: uh-huh. Well, the fact that Kiri took so long with Karen, almost made her late for work.

Russ: that’s true, I guess it was a couple of hours.

(Tia finally gets a reply from one of the cats)

Tia: they’re being shy and bashful now. So anyway.......

(the phone begins to ring)

Tia: oh, congratulations.

Carrie: ……..this evening, I guess it was at 4 o’clock in the afternoon. She’s beautiful, she’s perfect.

Tia: oh that’s wonderful sister mind, wonderful.

Russ: hey, all right.

Carrie: she was just perfect, she was 8 lbs. 15 oz.

Tia: oh that’s wonderful.

Carrie: very big baby.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: yep, what’s her name?

Carrie: and she didn’t want to come out.

Tia: she didn’t?

Carrie: I was in labor for 18 hours.

Tia: whoahhhhhh, uuuhhh.

Carrie: and I pushed for an hour and then they had to take her C-section because my pelvic was too small.

Tia: oh, everything’s okay?

Carrie: yeah, everything is just fine. I’m really sore and I’m pretty tired but I had to call you guys.

Tia: oh thank you, thank you.

Russ: what’s her name Carrie?

Carrie: I will give her my midnight shot so I thought I would call you.

Tia: oh okay.

Carrie: and she’s just beautiful, she’s got a full jet-black head of hair and it’s wavy and she has his skin, she has my lips and my nose.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: I think she has his eyes but she doesn’t open them long enough for us to know.

Tia: well, we’ll have to see a picture soon.

Carrie: oh you will, you guys will get announcements. We’re going to get pictures taken of her either in the hospital or next week at Walmart. They have like a special, a hundred pictures for $4.95.

Tia: oh wow.

Russ: excellent.

Carrie: it’s the little tiny ones and we’re going to make our own, well we're probably going to make our own announcements.

Tia: you still at the same address, correct?

Carrie: yeah.

Russ: did you get my video?

Carrie: sorry guys I haven’t called in so long.

Tia: oh that’s all right.

Carrie: I've been in my own little world.

Tia: I’ve been watching.

Russ: hey, did you get my video?

Carrie: yes we did, thank you so much.

Russ: pleasure, dear.

Carrie: yeah, we really enjoy it. Mike loves it because he’s learning a lot of new bass riffs off of it because he gets to see it now too instead of just hear it.

Russ: hey, what’s the baby’s name?

Carrie: Callie Breann.

Tia: oh cool.

Carrie: yeah.

Russ: Callie?

Carrie: Callie, C.A.L.L.I.E..

Russ: oh, Callie.

Tia: that’s a cool name.

Carrie: isn’t that pretty?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that’s very nice.

Carrie: yeah and Breann, Breann is her middle name so she’s just perfect you guys, she’s beautiful.

Tia: that’s wonderful and thank you so much for thinking of us by calling.

Carrie: ohhh, I talk to you guys a lot.

Russ: it was nice you could call in the middle of a channeling session too.

Carrie: I know, I know, I thought that you guys might be in one but then I thought maybe you guys hadn’t started yet it or not.

Russ: oh, we’re just getting ready to end it up in fact.

Carrie: huh?

Russ: we were just getting ready to end it up in fact, we’ve only got a couple more minutes left on the tape.

Carrie: oh.

Russ: so perfect timing.

Tia: perfect timing, yes.

Carrie: so good, good, I’m glad I caught you then.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: well congratulations darling, everybody over here says congratulations, Karra does.

Tia: on the count to three...

(Tia and Russ sing a very poor rendition of "For She’s A Jolly Good Fellow")

Russ: oh, that was good.

Carrie: that’s sweet.

Russ: so, are you going to get a phone pretty soon darling, we can call you up?

Carrie: hopefully in the next couple weeks because we’re still paying off that other phone bill.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: oh.

Carrie: so hopefully when we get that dented a little bit they'll let us have a phone.

Russ: well good.

Carrie: and I won’t be making very many long-distance phone calls.

Russ: well why don’t you just call collect anytime you want to darling?

Carrie: huh?

Russ: just call collect anytime you want to, Mark and me split….

Carrie: I hate doing that.

Russ: why not? Me and Mark split the payments.

Carrie: I know.

Tia: anyway…….

Carrie: me and the baby are coming in July, we’re going to San Diego.

Tia: oh, wonderful.

Russ: excellent.

Carrie: we’ll be there for two weeks. I want to come to Tahoe but it will be too hard.

Tia: yeah, we understand.

Carrie: you know, traveling with a newborn and stuff….

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: and so were going to be in San Diego but we’re moving back next fall.

Tia: oh cool.

Carrie: yeah, we’re going to move back to……..well we’re going to move to San Diego this time.

Tia: now the tradition on my home planet is, as a gift to the mother, we send a blanket for the color of the child in there. It’s blue for girls and red for boys.

Carrie: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: well that’s kind of neat. We’re not going to do too much pink because it’s pink for the girls in blue for the boys here?

Tia: ahh okay, I’ll come up with a color in between, kind of a bluey red color. I know, blue with red in it.

Carrie: yeah, it’s purple.

Tia: oh purple, a purple blanket.

Carrie: we’re going to do like a lot of purples and teals and the different plaid, pretty………because that’s pretty much what we’ve done her room in.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: because since we didn’t know what it was.

Tia: what’s plaid?

Carrie: huh?

Tia: what’s plaid?

Carrie: by plaid, I mean the intermix of the pastel colors. The mauves, the pastel blues, the pastel yellows, things like that and they’re kind of a muted color.

Tia: oh okay.

Carrie: yeah and we’ve done a lot of variety of different colors and stuff.

Tia: oh cool.

Carrie: so yeah, it also helps with the stimulation of the baby, the brighter the room, the more colors and stuff like that they say it helps with their learning ability and their focusing.

Tia: uh-huh. I’ll also send something like a……, I’ll get Mark to send it, a rabbit of some kind.

Carrie: a rabbit.

Tia: uh-huh, for the baby to play with.

Carrie: oh, I thought you meant a real rabbit.

Tia: no, a stuffed rabbit.

Carrie: we got her……..her bedroom is made in bears….

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: teddy bears.

Tia: oh, teddy bears.

Carrie: yeah, we thought that would be the easiest for everybody instead of going with a theme.

Tia: okay.

Carrie: because you can buy teddy bears anywhere.

Tia: uh-huh.

Carrie: so how are things going with you guys?

Russ: oh we’re doing great, we’re doing really good.

Carrie: good.

Russ: the weather is beautiful and I just got through cleaning the garage and going to do some hiking I think tomorrow.

Carrie: are you?

Russ: yeah…..

Carrie: I miss that.

Russ: yeah, going to go to the lakes, do some fishing.

Carrie: ahh, I miss that.

Russ: well we’ll send you some pictures or something.

Carrie: oh please do.

Tia: and Kiri’s telling me she wrote a letter that Mark hasn’t sent off yet.

Russ: still?

Carrie: oh really?

Tia: uh-huh, it was supposed to be sent off about a week ago.

Russ: two weeks ago.

Tia: two weeks ago and it says in there, now that you’re getting close, by the time you get this you'll be real close.

Carrie: well, we were overdue so can’t say I didn’t take good care of myself.

Tia: well that’s great, you did a wonderful job there with such a beautiful bouncing baby girl of eight pounds…… many ounces?

Carrie: 15.

Tia: whoa, well one more and it would’ve been nine pounds.

Carrie: I know, I know. I’m just so glad she came this week.

Russ: what you brought tears to Karra’s eyes my dear.

Tia: I’m just so bouncy and happy and bubbly to hear that everything is wonderful. I was going to come down tonight actually, I’m glad that I didn’t because you wouldn’t have been at home.

Carrie: no, nope, I’m pretty far away actually, we’re an hour away.

Tia: oh really?

Carrie: yeah. I’m glad you guys.......Mike did so good as a coach.

Russ: where’s Mike at?

Carrie: he’s at home.

Russ: at home?

Carrie: they send him home.

Russ: oh.

Tia: oh.

Carrie: yeah, well he’s been up just as long as I have, he hadn't eaten or anything but they send the dad’s home so that the moms get to sleep. So he went home about nine and he’ll be back about ten in the morning.

Russ: okay. Well, we should probably let you go to sleep again.

Carrie: yeah, I do need to get back to sleep but…..

Russ: well all right, well thank you for calling darling.

Tia: I’ll come down, I’ll check out all the hospitals and I’ll find the hospital that you’re in and I’ll give you a big, big hug in your sleep.

Carrie: okay.

Tia: I’ll make you have a wonderful, happy, contented dream.

Carrie: okay. Hey and put a good word in for my stitches to stop hurting too.

Tia: I’ll see what I can do.


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